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Speaker 3: All right, everybody, welcome home. This is Native Lamb Pod.
Speaker 3: It is a mini pod, and we are so thrilled
Speaker 3: to have some very very special guests joining us today.
Speaker 3: Isaac Hayes is the founder and creator of fan Base,
Speaker 3: and he is joined today by a producer who recently
Speaker 3: had a very viral conversation with him, Tamisha Harris, about
Speaker 3: fan Base and why we should be utilizing our own platforms,
Speaker 3: especially in this day and age. We just had a
Speaker 3: whole conversation about fascism. We know a little bit about that.
Speaker 3: We are witnessing it all together. So we are grateful
Speaker 3: for you all coming here and joining us today.
Speaker 4: Thanks for having us.
Speaker 1: I'd love if we could get started one give us
Speaker 1: a little background.
Speaker 5: On each of you. What brings you really to this work?
Speaker 1: Mister Hayes. You can imagine that there are a lot
Speaker 1: of fans out.
Speaker 5: There of your of your name.
Speaker 1: Uh but yeah, but your family obviously, and uh is
Speaker 1: it Tanisha Misha? Yeah, I thought it was a m
Speaker 1: but I thought I wrote it down wrong. Yeah, Tamisha,
Speaker 1: I'm curious because I saw your video as well, and
Speaker 1: I was telling the ladies before how not alarmist you sounded.
Speaker 1: I know you referenced. You know I'm not a you know,
Speaker 1: I don't you know, I'm not being sensational. I'm telling
Speaker 1: you that we're under threat. Give us in our audience
Speaker 1: a little bit of background as to what brings you
Speaker 1: one to that point, and I think basically through your background,
Speaker 1: they'll understand it a little bit better than obviously Sam
Speaker 1: for you, Missays.
Speaker 4: Thanks Andrews. So I think for me, I have been
Speaker 4: a news producer, local and network news for since I
Speaker 4: want to say, twenty eleven, and so, you know, watching
Speaker 4: how stories are being told, watching how our community is
Speaker 4: impact by the way we tell stories or the way
Speaker 4: that we don't tell stories, has always been of concern
Speaker 4: to me. But you know, we keep working, you know,
Speaker 4: because you have a job to do, so you just
Speaker 4: keep working and you do what you're supposed to do.
Speaker 4: For me, I started by making sure we brought women
Speaker 4: on air, that our lineup of subject matter experts were diverse,
Speaker 4: so we can hear from their point of view. Even
Speaker 4: an Angela ry Angela you've been on several of my shows.
Speaker 4: So it's bringing on guests who can speak to from
Speaker 4: a certain perspective that our community can understand that's important
Speaker 4: to me. And then from there it started to become
Speaker 4: more of a more critical issue from me that once
Speaker 4: the networks started losing their base, the views social media
Speaker 4: is now it's becoming clear that's where we're getting our news,
Speaker 4: and it's a good time for us to take hold
Speaker 4: of it and and get our legacy anchors, the Tiffany Crosses,
Speaker 4: get them, get them in one space so that we're
Speaker 4: not all spread out, so we can come as a
Speaker 4: collective and be incredibly powerful. Now that we can own
Speaker 4: the space and get organized so that when anything does
Speaker 4: come down, because we all know that things get organized,
Speaker 4: things are being organized, that we are also organized and
Speaker 4: we are forceful, and that we're bringing the correct information
Speaker 4: to the people who need it most, to the people
Speaker 4: who uh uh. Mainstream media may not focus on because
Speaker 4: they have other focuses. They have a wide group of
Speaker 4: people that they need to focus on. But we we
Speaker 4: have a collective, we have a specific we have specific
Speaker 4: challenges in our community that we have to address, and
Speaker 4: so that's what brings me. That's why I say fan
Speaker 4: base is a is a good opportunity for us. I
Speaker 4: don't have a vested interest in fan base. I have
Speaker 4: a vested interest in getting our stories out, get our
Speaker 4: getting our stories told accurately.
Speaker 3: To me.
Speaker 5: Sure.
Speaker 3: I love that you said that you don't have a
Speaker 3: vested interest in fan base, because there's an article that
Speaker 3: just came out about creators who have been paid by
Speaker 3: a platform, and there's all of this solations. So the
Speaker 3: fact that you're like, hey, let me disclose this, this
Speaker 3: is what I just believe is the right thing to do.
Speaker 3: And to that point, we actually were challenged by a
Speaker 3: native lampod viewer who said, why aren't y'all on fan base?
Speaker 3: And we were on the pod and I was like,
Speaker 3: you know what, we need to be on fan base.
Speaker 3: So I don't know if if Tip and Andrew started
Speaker 3: their accounts yet, but I did mine.
Speaker 4: I opened up your start of line to go ahead.
Speaker 3: Angela'sation good, so I started, mind, we have a native
Speaker 3: lan one, Isaac. I want to hear from you about
Speaker 3: why this is so important your biases. Of course, you
Speaker 3: are the owner of this platform, but why is it
Speaker 3: important for us to have our own be in our
Speaker 3: own space, especially in a violent time like this.
Speaker 5: Well he's aheading the curve.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Well, from the beginning of social media, I think
Speaker 2: black people have always influenced the culture. If we go
Speaker 2: back to black Planet, black Planet page looks very similar
Speaker 2: to a MySpace page, and between now and then, we
Speaker 2: haven't really had a social media platform founded by someone
Speaker 2: that's African American, and I think that or that's founded
Speaker 2: by someone in African American that it has at least
Speaker 2: achieved the level of success that fan Base has and
Speaker 2: the opportunity there. I'm more interested in infrastructure because the
Speaker 2: infrastructures of these social media platforms reach hundreds of billions
Speaker 2: of dollars, and the people that own those platforms, the
Speaker 2: people that monetize those platforms, take that wealth and they
Speaker 2: and they pass agendas that work against black people.
Speaker 5: So Elon has x there's.
Speaker 2: True social Zuckerberg tends to flip flop between whatever it
Speaker 2: is and whatever's going to happen with TikTok. I'm pretty
Speaker 2: sure the Trump administration is going to have their hand
Speaker 2: in that. And so the design for fan Base to
Speaker 2: build something that was black OneD, but for every single
Speaker 2: person on the planet to use because we have to
Speaker 2: look out for ourselves. We have to make sure that
Speaker 2: we're not getting shadow band, our accounts aren't getting deprioritized,
Speaker 2: we're not getting pushed off these platforms, and then more importantly,
Speaker 2: owning these platforms, because again the idea behind creating a
Speaker 2: social media platform that people could actually have equity in
Speaker 2: is because we know that black culture puts social media
Speaker 2: equals billion dollar platforms, but we never have equity and
Speaker 2: ownership of these platforms. And then we beg to be respected,
Speaker 2: we beg to be let in, we beg to be acknowledged,
Speaker 2: we beg to be equal, and no one has ever
Speaker 2: gone and just taking the step up, let's build the infrastructure.
Speaker 2: Like I always look at Black cultures like vibranium. This
Speaker 2: is our vibranium. We're the only people on planet Earth
Speaker 2: that can make this. We're the smallest culture group on
Speaker 2: the planet and we're the most influential African American people.
Speaker 2: When you pour pour a black culture into a shoe,
Speaker 2: you get a Jordan. You pour pour black culture into
Speaker 2: a record player, you get DJ culture. When you pour
Speaker 2: black culture into a phone, you get social media. But
Speaker 2: we have to think about who's going to own those
Speaker 2: infrastructures first, because they're literally scaling these things two hundreds
Speaker 2: of billions of dollars, and we have to start creating
Speaker 2: generational wealth, and on top of that, we have to
Speaker 2: start creating wealth collectively. I am happy for everybody that's
Speaker 2: black in this country that has had individual success, all
Speaker 2: the millionaires and billionaires, but that is doing nothing to
Speaker 2: pull black people out of.
Speaker 5: The wealth gap.
Speaker 2: So what we need to start to do is invest
Speaker 2: in infrastructures that are technologically based, so tech tech founded,
Speaker 2: tech based that need black culture to survive, and then
Speaker 2: invest in those by the thousands, and then scale those
Speaker 2: platforms two hundreds of billions of dollars, not a billion,
Speaker 2: not twenty billion, two hundred three hundred billion, like Byte
Speaker 2: dances worth three hundred and thirty billion dollars. Instagram separated
Speaker 2: from Meta is a four hundred billion dollar company. Meta
Speaker 2: itself has a one point eighty five trillion dollar market cap.
Speaker 2: We need something like that in our community that we own.
Speaker 2: So rather than having one Zuckerberg, we canna have a
Speaker 2: twenty three thousand multimillionaires and billionaires that are invested in
Speaker 2: a platform and scaled it up.
Speaker 4: I know you guys want to I know you guys
Speaker 4: have to jump in. I just want to say one
Speaker 4: thing real quick. If I'm looking at just as a
Speaker 4: as a viewer, as a person who watches the news,
Speaker 4: and I'm watching Tiffany, and I trust Tiffany. Tiffany is
Speaker 4: the person that I watch every single day, every single night.
Speaker 4: I trust, I trust Angela. These are the faces that
Speaker 4: I'm I'm used to seeing, so I trust them. Andrew,
Speaker 4: if for whatever reason, you all are shadow band the
Speaker 4: trusted people that I need to get to, I can't
Speaker 4: get to you, especially when there's information that needs to
Speaker 4: get out. That's my big push with fan base right now,
Speaker 4: particularly with this administration. If there's something that needs to
Speaker 4: get out, and for whatever reason, these tech founders are
Speaker 4: acquiescing to this administration, We our community can't afford not
Speaker 4: to not to hear what Angela has to say, not
Speaker 4: to hear what what Tiffany has to say, and Andrew
Speaker 4: has to say. We can't afford it.
Speaker 5: We have to know what to do.
Speaker 4: So that's why it's important for that's why it's important
Speaker 4: for us to be in on it, on a platform
Speaker 4: that will not silence us regardless of how you feel
Speaker 4: about a Isaac or whatever. It's bigger.
Speaker 6: I wanted to to jump in here on one just
Speaker 6: for context for our viewers. Isaacy reference Bite Dance. That is,
Speaker 6: of course, the parent company of TikTok, which they accord,
Speaker 6: the d o J, the FDC, all the people said,
Speaker 6: you have to sell TikTok in order for it to
Speaker 6: operate here in the United States. So it's caught up
Speaker 6: in a lot of policy. Uh So we'll keep our
Speaker 6: eyes and keep our viewers informed on what happens there.
Speaker 6: My question, I want to go to you to Misha
Speaker 6: on this because long before I was ever on air,
Speaker 6: I was a producer and executive producer, bureau chief, and
Speaker 6: so I would trade war stories with you, my friend,
Speaker 6: as a fellow survivor of network news, because I know
Speaker 6: how challenging that is as a black woman, and navigate
Speaker 6: some of those spaces and advocate for stories that I
Speaker 6: imagine that you did in your long career. Part of
Speaker 6: what you're describing I have experienced as a double edged
Speaker 6: sword when people began getting their news from social media.
Speaker 6: One I understood it because mainstream media summarily dismissed our
Speaker 6: lived experience. If the only time you saw outrage about
Speaker 6: a kid in a hoodie being shot was on a meme,
Speaker 6: or a twelve year old being shot, or a black
Speaker 6: woman winding up dead after being arrested. If the only
Speaker 6: place that your interests and your stories and your outrage
Speaker 6: was reflected back to you was on Facebook or Instagram,
Speaker 6: of course that is where you were going to gather. However,
Speaker 6: what we saw particular leading up to the twenty sixteen
Speaker 6: election is bad actors, foreign adversaries completely infiltrated these places
Speaker 6: and pretended to be a quote unquote journalists, influencers, commentators,
Speaker 6: et cetera. And they were gaining traction. Of course, that
Speaker 6: was the IRA, the Internet Russia agency who spent millions
Speaker 6: of dollars on these campaigns, reaching millions of black people,
Speaker 6: and we certainly saw the results. Now you cut to
Speaker 6: years later, I imagine China has invested interests and the information
Speaker 6: we get. I imagine Iran has invested interests and the
Speaker 6: information we get. So as social media became more democratized
Speaker 6: and who has a voice, I do fear that people
Speaker 6: missed who is an actual reporter, who is a journalist,
Speaker 6: because having an opinion does not make you a journalist.
Speaker 6: I mean Native lampod we are technically under in news category,
Speaker 6: but we are not reporting. I try to inform. I
Speaker 6: think we all try to inform, but it's a lot
Speaker 6: of opining. And so because someone comes out and you know,
Speaker 6: because someone has two million followers, their podcast gets two
Speaker 6: million viewers, people will take a Joe Rogan like, oh,
Speaker 6: you're a voice of authority, and that to me has
Speaker 6: created a danger. It has aided misinformation and disinformation. So
Speaker 6: as you're promoting people getting their news on social media,
Speaker 6: how do you balance that with who to identify as
Speaker 6: a trusted voice, How to know the difference between someone
Speaker 6: who is a commentator offering an opinion, someone who's an
Speaker 6: actual reporter who did the reporting themselves, someone who's citing
Speaker 6: someone else's reporting, Because those are all very crucial things,
Speaker 6: especially at a time like this, when fascism is on
Speaker 6: the rise because of misinformation and disinformation.
Speaker 4: I love that question so much, Tiffany. And here's why
Speaker 4: we're moving to social media. Whether we like it, we're here.
Speaker 4: So whether we like it or not, we're already here.
Speaker 4: This is mainstream TV, right. There is a clear difference
Speaker 4: in anyone if someone wants the real information. There's a
Speaker 4: clear difference in a Tiffany Cross as opposed to someone
Speaker 4: who just started as a journalist or someone who doesn't
Speaker 4: have the information. Because Tiffany is going to give us
Speaker 4: the background story. Tiffany has done the research. You hear
Speaker 4: it and you know it. Tiffany. You know when you
Speaker 4: hear a real journalist, that person is going to give
Speaker 4: you both sides. That person is going to bring on
Speaker 4: guests so we can get the full picture. There's context there.
Speaker 4: A person knows if they want the real information. It's
Speaker 4: very clear what Angela sounds like. It's very clear what
Speaker 4: you sound like. That's not.
Speaker 6: A sophisticated enough. As we continue to cord cut from
Speaker 6: cable news right after being ignored, younger generations are not
Speaker 6: reading newspapers like they literally. I hear so many people
Speaker 6: say I want to be a journalist, and they have
Speaker 6: no idea what that means. They think that I'll get
Speaker 6: to go on TV and talk, and I'm like, journalists
Speaker 6: don't talk. They listen like you are not giving an
Speaker 6: opinion as a journalist. So I don't know that.
Speaker 4: The same way we were taught, Tiffany, the same way
Speaker 4: we were taught what is your source this? We always
Speaker 4: ask that question, what's the source? And then who's paying them?
Speaker 4: We have to know, we have to teach people how
Speaker 4: to learn, teach people how to source if it's a
Speaker 4: real if this is a if this is all the
Speaker 4: information that they need, if this is a true source.
Speaker 4: We teach them because they're just learning. You know, this
Speaker 4: is a new space and they need to know how
Speaker 4: how okay is this information right? We tell them, we
Speaker 4: break things down, start from the backstory. We teach them
Speaker 4: how to source news so they can so they can
Speaker 4: become sophisticated the same way we did. It's just a
Speaker 4: different platform.
Speaker 3: To that point, Tomisha, you said, we are here. We
Speaker 3: are in the land of social media. This is where
Speaker 3: people are getting I get stuff from social media on
Speaker 3: our news sites. I'm like, this is easier to pull
Speaker 3: this clip from here than it is here. Let me
Speaker 3: send this over to somebody, right. But I think that
Speaker 3: what also is important about what Tiff was raising is
Speaker 3: the ways in which these folks have been validated is
Speaker 3: by the number of followers. There have been recent reports
Speaker 3: that talk about the number of conservative hosts or influencers
Speaker 3: who pay for their followers. They actually didn't earn those people.
Speaker 6: They're not right.
Speaker 3: There are these audiences that have been curated and built
Speaker 3: because they were able to pay for them. So, Isaac,
Speaker 3: can you talk about how fan base is different in
Speaker 3: that regard? Can you buy followers on fan base? If not,
Speaker 3: how are you preventing that from happening.
Speaker 5: No, you can't buy followers on fan base.
Speaker 2: But more importantly, I want to be very clear that
Speaker 2: linear television is dying and even the way that we
Speaker 2: consume all media and I mean music, I mean podcasts,
Speaker 2: I mean Netflix, Hulu, anything that you consume media wise
Speaker 2: is going to be distributed through a large social network
Speaker 2: in the future. It is not We're not going to
Speaker 2: get on our TVs and go to Netflix. We're not
Speaker 2: going to go to Hulu. We're not going to turn
Speaker 2: on direct TV or Infinity. We're going to go and
Speaker 2: watch all of these things, listen to these things through
Speaker 2: a Facebook, through an Instagram, through a Twitter, through a TikTok,
Speaker 2: or a fan base. That's how all media is going
Speaker 2: to be consumed. It's going to be pushed all into
Speaker 2: one place, and that's how we're going to receive all
Speaker 2: of our information, be it entertainment, fun, community, all these things,
Speaker 2: and so I'm not you know, I didn't build a
Speaker 2: platform to silence people or even pretend or buy fake followers.
Speaker 2: I actually built a platform so that people can have
Speaker 2: the reach that they actually have on these platforms. You're
Speaker 2: suppressed on Instagram, You're suppressed on platforms like x and TikTok.
Speaker 2: You're suppressed because your reach means money. So if you're
Speaker 2: someone that has one hundred million followers on Instagram, they're
Speaker 2: not letting you reach one hundred million people because one
Speaker 2: hundred million people garners the ability to charge eight million
Speaker 2: dollars for a one minute commercial like we do on
Speaker 2: the Super Bowl.
Speaker 5: So really, ever since.
Speaker 2: Video got added to social media, it turned every single
Speaker 2: person on the planet into a television network.
Speaker 5: We are all TV networks.
Speaker 2: If you have a social media platform and you have video,
Speaker 2: you are a network. Now on fan Base, it's free
Speaker 2: to down, I'm free to download, a free to use,
Speaker 2: and even free to post content. But you can simultaneously
Speaker 2: take content and put it behind a paywall in charge
Speaker 2: as well. So it now gives the freedom for every
Speaker 2: single person on the planet to be their own content
Speaker 2: provider to a community of people that are going to
Speaker 2: consume content as a community. We're going to watch shows together,
Speaker 2: and we're going to talk about them in audio rooms,
Speaker 2: and we're going to chat about them in real time,
Speaker 2: the same way young people are doing on Twitch.
Speaker 5: And so I'm ahead of the curve.
Speaker 2: I understand that this is where everything is going, that
Speaker 2: the new networks of the future are human beings and
Speaker 2: not networks themselves. So the infrastry lecture just has to
Speaker 2: be fan based again a.
Speaker 6: Regular like because you're saying, like every well, because everybody,
Speaker 6: if everybody is their own network, and you're saying like, yeah,
Speaker 6: you know, I'm free to download, like something I find
Speaker 6: very curious, like Angela saying that these conservative people they
Speaker 6: buy their viewers. It's very true. They also frolic where
Speaker 6: where they're their bots or they're real people who like
Speaker 6: you know, Blue Sky was a platform that you know,
Speaker 6: was I think skewed to the left, and so a
Speaker 6: lot of people were there, and then as it grew
Speaker 6: on popularity, this huge surge of maga people came and
Speaker 6: started you know, dropping fake information there, harassing people. How
Speaker 6: do you regulate, like their regulation determines you know, what
Speaker 6: is constitutes hate language or hate speech, what's appropriate or
Speaker 6: somebody uploads you know, naked pictures or porn. If somebody
Speaker 6: is spreading disinformation that you know is spreading disinformation, what
Speaker 6: does the regulation look like on fan Base?
Speaker 2: Well, artificial intelligence is a real big part of how
Speaker 2: you monitor content.
Speaker 5: Now, human moderators were hard.
Speaker 2: It's impossible to moderate content with just human beings. So
Speaker 2: when you think about content ingestion engines that are see
Speaker 2: what's written, see what's spoken, see what's in the video.
Speaker 2: There's a lot of platforms that use that and it's
Speaker 2: called like moderation software, and AI makes it faster and
Speaker 2: easier to do. And we actually use that software on
Speaker 2: fan Base, and we actually are building a stronger recommendation
Speaker 2: engine to actually serve people content that they want. So
Speaker 2: artificial intelligence is definitely going to help. You know, you
Speaker 2: can fact check a lot of things through artificial intelligence.
Speaker 2: Now I wouldn't necessarily I trust trust all artificial intelligence
Speaker 2: platforms may be the one that Eline built per se,
Speaker 2: but the ones that can provide factual information and links
Speaker 2: and the way that you train artificial intelligence tould be
Speaker 2: absolutely truthful. Then there's no getting around the truth. When
Speaker 2: the truth is.
Speaker 1: There you know, Isaac, just picking up where you left off.
Speaker 1: I think it's also important that in these communities that
Speaker 1: we police each other, that there's accountability by the folks
Speaker 1: who are signing up and subscribing, who are contributors. I
Speaker 1: think you know in Tiffany you know as well. I
Speaker 1: think just the democratization of access through these technologies to
Speaker 1: people has yes inflated a lot of people's personalities. And
Speaker 1: you know, there's a lot of mess out there, and
Speaker 1: a lots you don't. You know, you don't want to
Speaker 1: get into the uh, into the ears and the eyes
Speaker 1: of of of of your kids and and and friends.
Speaker 1: But but I'm curious to know, is you you talk
Speaker 1: about building well for our community and ownership for our community,
Speaker 1: and certainly the opportunity for authentic and real truth tellers
Speaker 1: to be heard, not censored, not reduced to the algorithms
Speaker 1: so that you never get to hear their voices and
Speaker 1: access their content. How you know, it's one thing for
Speaker 1: you to make it, and it's another thing for you
Speaker 1: to have a commune are your folks, Because I think frankly,
Speaker 1: more begets more, uh, the more of yous that exists,
Speaker 1: the more of us that are out here demanding it,
Speaker 1: and then we start to expect it, and then we
Speaker 1: start to say, if it isn't this, that I don't
Speaker 1: want it. What's the community look like of folks who
Speaker 1: are also building, you know, frankly, as you all climb,
Speaker 1: are there more?
Speaker 5: I mean?
Speaker 2: Yeah, So fan base is just an organic community, right,
Speaker 2: of course, it started with seed investment of myself and
Speaker 2: then investment from people that decided that they want to
Speaker 2: own the.
Speaker 5: Future of social media.
Speaker 4: Martin Brock.
Speaker 2: Communities heavily African American. Yeah, of course, absolutely shout out,
Speaker 2: shout out to Roland. But it's people that believe that
Speaker 2: we actually really need to be able to say the
Speaker 2: things that we want and have a way to speak. Now,
Speaker 2: my concern in talking to you guys, and I get
Speaker 2: a little I get a little concern with black media
Speaker 2: is that I feel like in this area, black media
Speaker 2: does not do what black media should do a lot
Speaker 2: of times in highlighting the stories that can uplift our
Speaker 2: community or bring attention to things like that.
Speaker 5: You mentioned Blue Sky just to sheer.
Speaker 2: Fact that twenty five million people went from X to
Speaker 2: Blue Sky in sixty days raised the value of that
Speaker 2: company to seven hundred million dollars. It was just a
Speaker 2: sheer volume of people deciding that we want to leave
Speaker 2: one place and go to another place, and so it's
Speaker 2: just the actual fact of downloading.
Speaker 5: That's why how Tamisha and I got together.
Speaker 2: Tamisha said, Isaac, I need to come talk to you,
Speaker 2: and she was like, fan base is an emergency. If
Speaker 2: we don't get on this platform, we're not going to
Speaker 2: have a place where we can have our conversations, meet,
Speaker 2: organize virtually, you know what I'm saying, to create physical
Speaker 2: organization and activation. And so that's the part that's extremely important.
Speaker 2: I understand that social media was a toy from two
Speaker 2: thousand and four, you know, all the way up to
Speaker 2: maybe two thousand and sixteen. But now it is a tool,
Speaker 2: and we have to take control of the tools that
Speaker 2: disseminate the information to our community. And so it's open
Speaker 2: for everybody. Like I said, we're in one hundred and
Speaker 2: ninety country countries and territories and we're both on iOS
Speaker 2: and Android.
Speaker 5: So this is a global platform.
Speaker 2: And we talk about Africa coming on wildly to the
Speaker 2: Internet in the next few years. It's almost two billion
Speaker 2: people that will be platformed and who's going to who's
Speaker 2: going to own the infrastructure of the platforms that they
Speaker 2: use to communicate and do that, And so black people
Speaker 2: have to own our own sources of media and have
Speaker 2: those conversations. So when I say, if you can't say
Speaker 2: what you want, how you want, how often you want,
Speaker 2: the way you want, that's what I call media.
Speaker 5: That's what I call where.
Speaker 2: It's like, if there's an injustice happening anywhere, it doesn't
Speaker 2: matter if it does, if it's not good for ratings,
Speaker 2: if it's not good for whatever it is. If truck
Speaker 2: drivers are going missing, if team if black teen girls
Speaker 2: are getting sex trafficked, if young young boys are getting
Speaker 2: harassed by the police in DC, and the only way
Speaker 2: that we know this is by them pulling out their
Speaker 2: own cell phones and sharing it to a community like
Speaker 2: fan base or social media. And that's what we need.
Speaker 2: And that's the urgency and importance of having this platform.
Speaker 5: I love it.
Speaker 1: I know we've got a run and we can't keep
Speaker 1: y'all all day, but we leave people with takeaways, admonishments,
Speaker 1: things that they must do as a result of this conversation.
Speaker 1: And I'm curious for both Timisha, you and Isaac, what
Speaker 1: instruction do you have for folks? What should they take
Speaker 1: away from this conversation as an admonishment to go and
Speaker 1: do something.
Speaker 4: Thank you Andrew. Just real quick, what I see is
Speaker 4: that our stories are not a priority. Whereas you saw
Speaker 4: in twenty twenty, we were seeing all kinds of stories
Speaker 4: on police brutality, we were seeing stories that impacted black
Speaker 4: people come to the forefront in the news. Now we
Speaker 4: are really fighting to even get a story that needs
Speaker 4: to be an urgent story that impacts us. We are
Speaker 4: fighting for that in in our production meetings and for me,
Speaker 4: that impacts us greatly. That's my concern. We need to
Speaker 4: be able to get our stories out, to be able
Speaker 4: to make sure that we are helping our our people,
Speaker 4: our communities. So my last words are for the media people,
Speaker 4: for the anchors, the reporters, join fan I say, joined
Speaker 4: fan base, so that we know we have a specific
Speaker 4: place for where you're going to be that we trust,
Speaker 4: because we trust your voice, we trust your research. We
Speaker 4: just need you all in one place. That's what I'm saying.
Speaker 2: I love that, Thank you, and and for me, I
Speaker 2: would say invest we don't you know again, I love
Speaker 2: the individual success. I love all the black being a
Speaker 2: billionaires we have in the United States of America. But
Speaker 2: if we have fourteen black millionaires billionaires, we need one
Speaker 2: hundred and forty more, or we need thousands and thousands
Speaker 2: of millionaires because agendas are bought, right, These agendas are purchased.
Speaker 2: Elon Musk bought a whole social media platform so he
Speaker 2: can win an election. And what I'm saying is that
Speaker 2: I tell people that if you want to own and
Speaker 2: own a piece of fan Base, you can do that.
Speaker 5: Now.
Speaker 2: I know that Angela talked about investing. I think you
Speaker 2: guys have talked about investing. But anybody that wants to
Speaker 2: invest and actually own part of this platform, go to
Speaker 2: start engine, dot com, slash fan Base and invest the
Speaker 2: minimum it's three hundred and ninety nine dollars, and I
Speaker 2: feel like we have over twenty three thousand investors. And again,
Speaker 2: we have to take this opportunity to own the infrastructure
Speaker 2: of the things that we make great. If not, we
Speaker 2: will be customers to our creations. We just we will
Speaker 2: be the talent and we will not be the infrastructure.
Speaker 2: And that is my ask, is that people actually invest
Speaker 2: in fan Base and own a part of it.
Speaker 5: I love that.
Speaker 1: I love that, as you all mentioned at this onset
Speaker 1: of this black people you know well box our weight.
Speaker 1: We've always out boxed our weight since our arrival here
Speaker 1: in this land.
Speaker 5: And so.
Speaker 1: Uh uh, if we make the choice, we then set
Speaker 1: the curve for everything that then comes after. It's just
Speaker 1: it's a fact. I think, Tiffany I can say it's
Speaker 1: a fact. You're funder that phrase. Uh. And Angela, I
Speaker 1: know you bought us in and you want to close
Speaker 1: us out, But I just want to say, on behalf
Speaker 1: of our listeners, you want to thank you all for this,
Speaker 1: for sounding the alarm, but also for setting the agenda.
Speaker 5: The plate.
Speaker 1: You know what we have to look forward to. I'm
Speaker 1: looking forward to it.
Speaker 6: And before I just want to say, really quickly, Isaac,
Speaker 6: when you hear me say on a platform on the
Speaker 6: public states that will be customers of our creation, I'm
Speaker 6: giving you credit in my heart you.
Speaker 1: Yes, because she will out loud sewer.
Speaker 5: We freestyled greatness.
Speaker 1: When you hear that again, you won't get credit, but.
Speaker 6: In my heart because you dropped like three barns and
Speaker 6: I'm just I'm taking them well.
Speaker 3: At some point, even when we borrow from each other,
Speaker 3: we shall all be free someday, So we thank y'all
Speaker 3: for joining us. Isaac Hayes and Tamitia Hairs are really
Speaker 3: really grateful for this conversation.
Speaker 4: You all are always welcome back.
Speaker 1: Welcome home, y'all, Welcome home, get on base.
Speaker 3: Thank you, Flavor Flavor Boy, I tell you by my damn.
Speaker 5: Thank you, guys.
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