WEBVTT - That’s Why We Need Our Own Sh*t | MiniPod 0:00:00.080 --> 0:00:03.400 Native Lamp Pod is a production of iHeartRadio and partnership 0:00:03.440 --> 0:00:05.359 with Reason Choice Media. 0:00:05.559 --> 0:00:08.320 Welcome, Welcome, Welcome, Welcome, Welcome, Welcome. 0:00:10.240 --> 0:00:13.600 All right, everybody, welcome home. This is Native Lamb Pod. 0:00:13.720 --> 0:00:15.680 It is a mini pod, and we are so thrilled 0:00:15.760 --> 0:00:19.080 to have some very very special guests joining us today. 0:00:19.800 --> 0:00:22.840 Isaac Hayes is the founder and creator of fan Base, 0:00:23.200 --> 0:00:25.959 and he is joined today by a producer who recently 0:00:26.000 --> 0:00:31.360 had a very viral conversation with him, Tamisha Harris, about 0:00:31.840 --> 0:00:36.120 fan Base and why we should be utilizing our own platforms, 0:00:36.280 --> 0:00:37.800 especially in this day and age. We just had a 0:00:37.800 --> 0:00:40.400 whole conversation about fascism. We know a little bit about that. 0:00:40.479 --> 0:00:43.320 We are witnessing it all together. So we are grateful 0:00:43.360 --> 0:00:45.479 for you all coming here and joining us today. 0:00:46.320 --> 0:00:47.360 Thanks for having us. 0:00:48.479 --> 0:00:50.440 I'd love if we could get started one give us 0:00:50.479 --> 0:00:52.120 a little background. 0:00:51.760 --> 0:00:54.960 On each of you. What brings you really to this work? 0:00:56.680 --> 0:00:58.360 Mister Hayes. You can imagine that there are a lot 0:00:58.400 --> 0:00:59.120 of fans out. 0:00:58.960 --> 0:01:00.680 There of your of your name. 0:01:01.240 --> 0:01:07.280 Uh but yeah, but your family obviously, and uh is 0:01:07.319 --> 0:01:10.720 it Tanisha Misha? Yeah, I thought it was a m 0:01:11.000 --> 0:01:15.640 but I thought I wrote it down wrong. Yeah, Tamisha, 0:01:15.800 --> 0:01:18.039 I'm curious because I saw your video as well, and 0:01:18.080 --> 0:01:23.240 I was telling the ladies before how not alarmist you sounded. 0:01:23.280 --> 0:01:25.080 I know you referenced. You know I'm not a you know, 0:01:25.120 --> 0:01:27.960 I don't you know, I'm not being sensational. I'm telling 0:01:27.959 --> 0:01:31.679 you that we're under threat. Give us in our audience 0:01:31.720 --> 0:01:33.800 a little bit of background as to what brings you 0:01:34.280 --> 0:01:37.080 one to that point, and I think basically through your background, 0:01:37.080 --> 0:01:39.440 they'll understand it a little bit better than obviously Sam 0:01:39.440 --> 0:01:40.600 for you, Missays. 0:01:40.880 --> 0:01:44.360 Thanks Andrews. So I think for me, I have been 0:01:45.160 --> 0:01:49.440 a news producer, local and network news for since I 0:01:49.480 --> 0:01:55.560 want to say, twenty eleven, and so, you know, watching 0:01:55.600 --> 0:01:59.640 how stories are being told, watching how our community is 0:01:59.680 --> 0:02:02.600 impact by the way we tell stories or the way 0:02:02.640 --> 0:02:07.000 that we don't tell stories, has always been of concern 0:02:07.120 --> 0:02:10.040 to me. But you know, we keep working, you know, 0:02:10.080 --> 0:02:11.560 because you have a job to do, so you just 0:02:11.639 --> 0:02:14.200 keep working and you do what you're supposed to do. 0:02:14.560 --> 0:02:20.600 For me, I started by making sure we brought women 0:02:20.720 --> 0:02:25.280 on air, that our lineup of subject matter experts were diverse, 0:02:25.680 --> 0:02:27.600 so we can hear from their point of view. Even 0:02:27.639 --> 0:02:31.120 an Angela ry Angela you've been on several of my shows. 0:02:31.400 --> 0:02:36.600 So it's bringing on guests who can speak to from 0:02:36.639 --> 0:02:40.680 a certain perspective that our community can understand that's important 0:02:40.680 --> 0:02:46.000 to me. And then from there it started to become 0:02:46.040 --> 0:02:51.200 more of a more critical issue from me that once 0:02:51.240 --> 0:02:58.000 the networks started losing their base, the views social media 0:02:58.240 --> 0:03:01.960 is now it's becoming clear that's where we're getting our news, 0:03:03.200 --> 0:03:06.760 and it's a good time for us to take hold 0:03:06.800 --> 0:03:13.079 of it and and get our legacy anchors, the Tiffany Crosses, 0:03:13.200 --> 0:03:16.600 get them, get them in one space so that we're 0:03:16.600 --> 0:03:18.880 not all spread out, so we can come as a 0:03:18.919 --> 0:03:22.520 collective and be incredibly powerful. Now that we can own 0:03:22.680 --> 0:03:26.600 the space and get organized so that when anything does 0:03:26.720 --> 0:03:29.640 come down, because we all know that things get organized, 0:03:29.680 --> 0:03:33.920 things are being organized, that we are also organized and 0:03:33.960 --> 0:03:36.760 we are forceful, and that we're bringing the correct information 0:03:37.240 --> 0:03:39.920 to the people who need it most, to the people 0:03:39.960 --> 0:03:45.640 who uh uh. Mainstream media may not focus on because 0:03:45.680 --> 0:03:49.640 they have other focuses. They have a wide group of 0:03:49.640 --> 0:03:52.920 people that they need to focus on. But we we 0:03:52.960 --> 0:03:57.320 have a collective, we have a specific we have specific 0:03:57.440 --> 0:04:01.280 challenges in our community that we have to address, and 0:04:01.320 --> 0:04:04.920 so that's what brings me. That's why I say fan 0:04:05.000 --> 0:04:08.840 base is a is a good opportunity for us. I 0:04:08.840 --> 0:04:10.960 don't have a vested interest in fan base. I have 0:04:11.000 --> 0:04:17.440 a vested interest in getting our stories out, get our 0:04:17.640 --> 0:04:19.600 getting our stories told accurately. 0:04:20.600 --> 0:04:20.800 To me. 0:04:20.880 --> 0:04:21.080 Sure. 0:04:21.120 --> 0:04:23.880 I love that you said that you don't have a 0:04:24.000 --> 0:04:28.160 vested interest in fan base, because there's an article that 0:04:28.320 --> 0:04:32.800 just came out about creators who have been paid by 0:04:32.800 --> 0:04:35.680 a platform, and there's all of this solations. So the 0:04:35.720 --> 0:04:37.840 fact that you're like, hey, let me disclose this, this 0:04:37.920 --> 0:04:39.560 is what I just believe is the right thing to do. 0:04:39.640 --> 0:04:42.320 And to that point, we actually were challenged by a 0:04:42.440 --> 0:04:45.480 native lampod viewer who said, why aren't y'all on fan base? 0:04:45.480 --> 0:04:46.839 And we were on the pod and I was like, 0:04:46.920 --> 0:04:49.239 you know what, we need to be on fan base. 0:04:49.279 --> 0:04:52.200 So I don't know if if Tip and Andrew started 0:04:52.240 --> 0:04:53.919 their accounts yet, but I did mine. 0:04:54.000 --> 0:04:56.039 I opened up your start of line to go ahead. 0:04:56.080 --> 0:04:59.800 Angela'sation good, so I started, mind, we have a native 0:04:59.839 --> 0:05:02.680 lan one, Isaac. I want to hear from you about 0:05:02.680 --> 0:05:05.719 why this is so important your biases. Of course, you 0:05:05.760 --> 0:05:07.719 are the owner of this platform, but why is it 0:05:07.760 --> 0:05:10.080 important for us to have our own be in our 0:05:10.160 --> 0:05:12.359 own space, especially in a violent time like this. 0:05:13.640 --> 0:05:14.839 Well he's aheading the curve. 0:05:15.960 --> 0:05:18.840 Yeah, Well, from the beginning of social media, I think 0:05:18.920 --> 0:05:22.440 black people have always influenced the culture. If we go 0:05:22.520 --> 0:05:26.280 back to black Planet, black Planet page looks very similar 0:05:26.279 --> 0:05:30.560 to a MySpace page, and between now and then, we 0:05:30.640 --> 0:05:33.920 haven't really had a social media platform founded by someone 0:05:33.960 --> 0:05:37.320 that's African American, and I think that or that's founded 0:05:37.320 --> 0:05:39.960 by someone in African American that it has at least 0:05:40.000 --> 0:05:42.640 achieved the level of success that fan Base has and 0:05:42.680 --> 0:05:47.040 the opportunity there. I'm more interested in infrastructure because the 0:05:47.040 --> 0:05:50.040 infrastructures of these social media platforms reach hundreds of billions 0:05:50.080 --> 0:05:53.200 of dollars, and the people that own those platforms, the 0:05:53.240 --> 0:05:56.520 people that monetize those platforms, take that wealth and they 0:05:56.800 --> 0:05:59.400 and they pass agendas that work against black people. 0:06:00.320 --> 0:06:02.720 So Elon has x there's. 0:06:02.520 --> 0:06:06.160 True social Zuckerberg tends to flip flop between whatever it 0:06:06.240 --> 0:06:08.919 is and whatever's going to happen with TikTok. I'm pretty 0:06:08.920 --> 0:06:10.719 sure the Trump administration is going to have their hand 0:06:10.760 --> 0:06:13.039 in that. And so the design for fan Base to 0:06:13.040 --> 0:06:15.119 build something that was black OneD, but for every single 0:06:15.160 --> 0:06:17.279 person on the planet to use because we have to 0:06:17.279 --> 0:06:18.800 look out for ourselves. We have to make sure that 0:06:18.800 --> 0:06:22.400 we're not getting shadow band, our accounts aren't getting deprioritized, 0:06:22.720 --> 0:06:25.720 we're not getting pushed off these platforms, and then more importantly, 0:06:26.480 --> 0:06:30.560 owning these platforms, because again the idea behind creating a 0:06:30.600 --> 0:06:32.760 social media platform that people could actually have equity in 0:06:33.160 --> 0:06:35.120 is because we know that black culture puts social media 0:06:35.200 --> 0:06:38.520 equals billion dollar platforms, but we never have equity and 0:06:38.560 --> 0:06:41.120 ownership of these platforms. And then we beg to be respected, 0:06:41.400 --> 0:06:43.520 we beg to be let in, we beg to be acknowledged, 0:06:43.560 --> 0:06:45.640 we beg to be equal, and no one has ever 0:06:45.720 --> 0:06:48.240 gone and just taking the step up, let's build the infrastructure. 0:06:48.640 --> 0:06:51.320 Like I always look at Black cultures like vibranium. This 0:06:51.360 --> 0:06:54.159 is our vibranium. We're the only people on planet Earth 0:06:54.160 --> 0:06:56.080 that can make this. We're the smallest culture group on 0:06:56.120 --> 0:06:59.320 the planet and we're the most influential African American people. 0:06:59.520 --> 0:07:01.359 When you pour pour a black culture into a shoe, 0:07:01.480 --> 0:07:03.960 you get a Jordan. You pour pour black culture into 0:07:03.960 --> 0:07:06.440 a record player, you get DJ culture. When you pour 0:07:06.520 --> 0:07:09.200 black culture into a phone, you get social media. But 0:07:09.240 --> 0:07:10.880 we have to think about who's going to own those 0:07:10.880 --> 0:07:14.400 infrastructures first, because they're literally scaling these things two hundreds 0:07:14.400 --> 0:07:16.800 of billions of dollars, and we have to start creating 0:07:16.880 --> 0:07:19.840 generational wealth, and on top of that, we have to 0:07:19.840 --> 0:07:23.720 start creating wealth collectively. I am happy for everybody that's 0:07:23.760 --> 0:07:26.400 black in this country that has had individual success, all 0:07:26.440 --> 0:07:29.600 the millionaires and billionaires, but that is doing nothing to 0:07:29.640 --> 0:07:30.760 pull black people out of. 0:07:30.680 --> 0:07:31.280 The wealth gap. 0:07:31.520 --> 0:07:33.160 So what we need to start to do is invest 0:07:33.200 --> 0:07:37.400 in infrastructures that are technologically based, so tech tech founded, 0:07:37.480 --> 0:07:40.960 tech based that need black culture to survive, and then 0:07:41.080 --> 0:07:44.040 invest in those by the thousands, and then scale those 0:07:44.040 --> 0:07:47.280 platforms two hundreds of billions of dollars, not a billion, 0:07:47.640 --> 0:07:50.600 not twenty billion, two hundred three hundred billion, like Byte 0:07:50.680 --> 0:07:54.320 dances worth three hundred and thirty billion dollars. Instagram separated 0:07:54.320 --> 0:07:57.160 from Meta is a four hundred billion dollar company. Meta 0:07:57.200 --> 0:08:00.360 itself has a one point eighty five trillion dollar market cap. 0:08:00.640 --> 0:08:03.320 We need something like that in our community that we own. 0:08:03.520 --> 0:08:06.440 So rather than having one Zuckerberg, we canna have a 0:08:06.480 --> 0:08:10.040 twenty three thousand multimillionaires and billionaires that are invested in 0:08:10.040 --> 0:08:11.480 a platform and scaled it up. 0:08:11.880 --> 0:08:13.600 I know you guys want to I know you guys 0:08:13.680 --> 0:08:15.120 have to jump in. I just want to say one 0:08:15.200 --> 0:08:19.160 thing real quick. If I'm looking at just as a 0:08:19.160 --> 0:08:22.400 as a viewer, as a person who watches the news, 0:08:22.480 --> 0:08:26.600 and I'm watching Tiffany, and I trust Tiffany. Tiffany is 0:08:26.640 --> 0:08:29.080 the person that I watch every single day, every single night. 0:08:29.120 --> 0:08:31.760 I trust, I trust Angela. These are the faces that 0:08:31.800 --> 0:08:36.760 I'm I'm used to seeing, so I trust them. Andrew, 0:08:37.880 --> 0:08:43.440 if for whatever reason, you all are shadow band the 0:08:43.559 --> 0:08:46.320 trusted people that I need to get to, I can't 0:08:46.400 --> 0:08:50.080 get to you, especially when there's information that needs to 0:08:50.080 --> 0:08:54.240 get out. That's my big push with fan base right now, 0:08:54.720 --> 0:08:58.240 particularly with this administration. If there's something that needs to 0:08:58.240 --> 0:09:03.080 get out, and for whatever reason, these tech founders are 0:09:03.280 --> 0:09:09.080 acquiescing to this administration, We our community can't afford not 0:09:09.160 --> 0:09:11.080 to not to hear what Angela has to say, not 0:09:11.120 --> 0:09:13.520 to hear what what Tiffany has to say, and Andrew 0:09:13.520 --> 0:09:14.840 has to say. We can't afford it. 0:09:14.880 --> 0:09:15.960 We have to know what to do. 0:09:16.559 --> 0:09:19.199 So that's why it's important for that's why it's important 0:09:19.200 --> 0:09:22.520 for us to be in on it, on a platform 0:09:22.600 --> 0:09:25.880 that will not silence us regardless of how you feel 0:09:25.920 --> 0:09:29.840 about a Isaac or whatever. It's bigger. 0:09:30.360 --> 0:09:32.960 I wanted to to jump in here on one just 0:09:33.000 --> 0:09:35.679 for context for our viewers. Isaacy reference Bite Dance. That is, 0:09:35.720 --> 0:09:41.000 of course, the parent company of TikTok, which they accord, 0:09:41.080 --> 0:09:43.720 the d o J, the FDC, all the people said, 0:09:43.760 --> 0:09:46.800 you have to sell TikTok in order for it to 0:09:47.080 --> 0:09:49.360 operate here in the United States. So it's caught up 0:09:49.400 --> 0:09:51.800 in a lot of policy. Uh So we'll keep our 0:09:51.840 --> 0:09:54.199 eyes and keep our viewers informed on what happens there. 0:09:54.480 --> 0:09:57.560 My question, I want to go to you to Misha 0:09:57.640 --> 0:10:01.280 on this because long before I was ever on air, 0:10:01.520 --> 0:10:04.680 I was a producer and executive producer, bureau chief, and 0:10:04.720 --> 0:10:07.120 so I would trade war stories with you, my friend, 0:10:07.160 --> 0:10:09.760 as a fellow survivor of network news, because I know 0:10:09.840 --> 0:10:12.400 how challenging that is as a black woman, and navigate 0:10:12.480 --> 0:10:14.880 some of those spaces and advocate for stories that I 0:10:14.880 --> 0:10:19.760 imagine that you did in your long career. Part of 0:10:19.920 --> 0:10:23.000 what you're describing I have experienced as a double edged 0:10:23.000 --> 0:10:28.200 sword when people began getting their news from social media. 0:10:28.720 --> 0:10:32.600 One I understood it because mainstream media summarily dismissed our 0:10:32.679 --> 0:10:36.480 lived experience. If the only time you saw outrage about 0:10:36.920 --> 0:10:40.200 a kid in a hoodie being shot was on a meme, 0:10:40.360 --> 0:10:42.680 or a twelve year old being shot, or a black 0:10:42.679 --> 0:10:46.080 woman winding up dead after being arrested. If the only 0:10:46.160 --> 0:10:49.000 place that your interests and your stories and your outrage 0:10:49.040 --> 0:10:52.839 was reflected back to you was on Facebook or Instagram, 0:10:53.000 --> 0:10:57.560 of course that is where you were going to gather. However, 0:10:57.760 --> 0:11:01.600 what we saw particular leading up to the twenty sixteen 0:11:01.640 --> 0:11:06.880 election is bad actors, foreign adversaries completely infiltrated these places 0:11:06.960 --> 0:11:11.439 and pretended to be a quote unquote journalists, influencers, commentators, 0:11:11.440 --> 0:11:14.320 et cetera. And they were gaining traction. Of course, that 0:11:14.440 --> 0:11:18.079 was the IRA, the Internet Russia agency who spent millions 0:11:18.080 --> 0:11:21.920 of dollars on these campaigns, reaching millions of black people, 0:11:21.960 --> 0:11:24.600 and we certainly saw the results. Now you cut to 0:11:24.720 --> 0:11:28.400 years later, I imagine China has invested interests and the information 0:11:28.480 --> 0:11:31.080 we get. I imagine Iran has invested interests and the 0:11:31.080 --> 0:11:34.880 information we get. So as social media became more democratized 0:11:34.920 --> 0:11:37.120 and who has a voice, I do fear that people 0:11:38.160 --> 0:11:41.080 missed who is an actual reporter, who is a journalist, 0:11:41.200 --> 0:11:44.320 because having an opinion does not make you a journalist. 0:11:44.520 --> 0:11:48.199 I mean Native lampod we are technically under in news category, 0:11:48.240 --> 0:11:50.880 but we are not reporting. I try to inform. I 0:11:50.880 --> 0:11:52.960 think we all try to inform, but it's a lot 0:11:52.960 --> 0:11:56.679 of opining. And so because someone comes out and you know, 0:11:57.440 --> 0:12:01.079 because someone has two million followers, their podcast gets two 0:12:01.080 --> 0:12:04.280 million viewers, people will take a Joe Rogan like, oh, 0:12:04.360 --> 0:12:08.200 you're a voice of authority, and that to me has 0:12:08.280 --> 0:12:13.040 created a danger. It has aided misinformation and disinformation. So 0:12:13.160 --> 0:12:16.200 as you're promoting people getting their news on social media, 0:12:16.320 --> 0:12:19.959 how do you balance that with who to identify as 0:12:20.000 --> 0:12:22.880 a trusted voice, How to know the difference between someone 0:12:22.880 --> 0:12:26.360 who is a commentator offering an opinion, someone who's an 0:12:26.360 --> 0:12:30.160 actual reporter who did the reporting themselves, someone who's citing 0:12:30.200 --> 0:12:34.319 someone else's reporting, Because those are all very crucial things, 0:12:34.559 --> 0:12:36.920 especially at a time like this, when fascism is on 0:12:36.960 --> 0:12:39.319 the rise because of misinformation and disinformation. 0:12:41.360 --> 0:12:45.400 I love that question so much, Tiffany. And here's why 0:12:46.600 --> 0:12:49.200 we're moving to social media. Whether we like it, we're here. 0:12:49.720 --> 0:12:52.280 So whether we like it or not, we're already here. 0:12:52.679 --> 0:12:57.920 This is mainstream TV, right. There is a clear difference 0:12:58.000 --> 0:13:00.720 in anyone if someone wants the real information. There's a 0:13:00.760 --> 0:13:06.760 clear difference in a Tiffany Cross as opposed to someone 0:13:06.800 --> 0:13:09.440 who just started as a journalist or someone who doesn't 0:13:09.480 --> 0:13:13.120 have the information. Because Tiffany is going to give us 0:13:13.160 --> 0:13:16.680 the background story. Tiffany has done the research. You hear 0:13:16.720 --> 0:13:19.040 it and you know it. Tiffany. You know when you 0:13:19.200 --> 0:13:21.679 hear a real journalist, that person is going to give 0:13:21.679 --> 0:13:24.520 you both sides. That person is going to bring on 0:13:24.760 --> 0:13:27.640 guests so we can get the full picture. There's context there. 0:13:28.000 --> 0:13:31.120 A person knows if they want the real information. It's 0:13:31.400 --> 0:13:36.199 very clear what Angela sounds like. It's very clear what 0:13:36.280 --> 0:13:37.600 you sound like. That's not. 0:13:40.600 --> 0:13:46.839 A sophisticated enough. As we continue to cord cut from 0:13:47.000 --> 0:13:51.120 cable news right after being ignored, younger generations are not 0:13:51.320 --> 0:13:54.120 reading newspapers like they literally. I hear so many people 0:13:54.160 --> 0:13:56.000 say I want to be a journalist, and they have 0:13:56.120 --> 0:13:58.679 no idea what that means. They think that I'll get 0:13:58.720 --> 0:14:00.520 to go on TV and talk, and I'm like, journalists 0:14:00.520 --> 0:14:03.319 don't talk. They listen like you are not giving an 0:14:03.320 --> 0:14:06.800 opinion as a journalist. So I don't know that. 0:14:07.040 --> 0:14:10.880 The same way we were taught, Tiffany, the same way 0:14:10.880 --> 0:14:13.679 we were taught what is your source this? We always 0:14:13.760 --> 0:14:17.160 ask that question, what's the source? And then who's paying them? 0:14:17.520 --> 0:14:20.360 We have to know, we have to teach people how 0:14:20.400 --> 0:14:23.760 to learn, teach people how to source if it's a 0:14:23.840 --> 0:14:25.760 real if this is a if this is all the 0:14:25.800 --> 0:14:28.200 information that they need, if this is a true source. 0:14:28.200 --> 0:14:31.240 We teach them because they're just learning. You know, this 0:14:31.280 --> 0:14:34.360 is a new space and they need to know how 0:14:34.600 --> 0:14:38.400 how okay is this information right? We tell them, we 0:14:38.440 --> 0:14:43.200 break things down, start from the backstory. We teach them 0:14:43.760 --> 0:14:48.480 how to source news so they can so they can 0:14:48.560 --> 0:14:51.000 become sophisticated the same way we did. It's just a 0:14:51.000 --> 0:14:59.880 different platform. 0:15:00.480 --> 0:15:02.600 To that point, Tomisha, you said, we are here. We 0:15:02.640 --> 0:15:05.080 are in the land of social media. This is where 0:15:05.080 --> 0:15:08.000 people are getting I get stuff from social media on 0:15:08.240 --> 0:15:10.480 our news sites. I'm like, this is easier to pull 0:15:10.520 --> 0:15:12.080 this clip from here than it is here. Let me 0:15:12.120 --> 0:15:14.600 send this over to somebody, right. But I think that 0:15:14.960 --> 0:15:17.640 what also is important about what Tiff was raising is 0:15:18.240 --> 0:15:21.040 the ways in which these folks have been validated is 0:15:21.160 --> 0:15:25.000 by the number of followers. There have been recent reports 0:15:25.000 --> 0:15:29.840 that talk about the number of conservative hosts or influencers 0:15:30.040 --> 0:15:33.960 who pay for their followers. They actually didn't earn those people. 0:15:33.960 --> 0:15:34.600 They're not right. 0:15:34.640 --> 0:15:37.640 There are these audiences that have been curated and built 0:15:37.880 --> 0:15:40.600 because they were able to pay for them. So, Isaac, 0:15:40.640 --> 0:15:43.080 can you talk about how fan base is different in 0:15:43.080 --> 0:15:46.240 that regard? Can you buy followers on fan base? If not, 0:15:46.360 --> 0:15:48.600 how are you preventing that from happening. 0:15:49.320 --> 0:15:51.720 No, you can't buy followers on fan base. 0:15:51.840 --> 0:15:55.640 But more importantly, I want to be very clear that 0:15:57.000 --> 0:16:01.280 linear television is dying and even the way that we 0:16:01.320 --> 0:16:05.280 consume all media and I mean music, I mean podcasts, 0:16:05.440 --> 0:16:09.400 I mean Netflix, Hulu, anything that you consume media wise 0:16:09.920 --> 0:16:12.320 is going to be distributed through a large social network 0:16:12.320 --> 0:16:14.320 in the future. It is not We're not going to 0:16:14.360 --> 0:16:16.240 get on our TVs and go to Netflix. We're not 0:16:16.280 --> 0:16:18.400 going to go to Hulu. We're not going to turn 0:16:18.440 --> 0:16:22.040 on direct TV or Infinity. We're going to go and 0:16:22.120 --> 0:16:24.960 watch all of these things, listen to these things through 0:16:24.960 --> 0:16:28.960 a Facebook, through an Instagram, through a Twitter, through a TikTok, 0:16:29.240 --> 0:16:31.600 or a fan base. That's how all media is going 0:16:31.640 --> 0:16:33.680 to be consumed. It's going to be pushed all into 0:16:33.720 --> 0:16:35.920 one place, and that's how we're going to receive all 0:16:35.960 --> 0:16:39.400 of our information, be it entertainment, fun, community, all these things, 0:16:39.400 --> 0:16:41.480 and so I'm not you know, I didn't build a 0:16:41.480 --> 0:16:46.360 platform to silence people or even pretend or buy fake followers. 0:16:46.480 --> 0:16:48.560 I actually built a platform so that people can have 0:16:48.600 --> 0:16:51.400 the reach that they actually have on these platforms. You're 0:16:51.400 --> 0:16:57.360 suppressed on Instagram, You're suppressed on platforms like x and TikTok. 0:16:57.400 --> 0:17:00.800 You're suppressed because your reach means money. So if you're 0:17:00.800 --> 0:17:03.360 someone that has one hundred million followers on Instagram, they're 0:17:03.400 --> 0:17:05.280 not letting you reach one hundred million people because one 0:17:05.359 --> 0:17:07.960 hundred million people garners the ability to charge eight million 0:17:08.000 --> 0:17:10.399 dollars for a one minute commercial like we do on 0:17:10.440 --> 0:17:11.040 the Super Bowl. 0:17:11.440 --> 0:17:13.119 So really, ever since. 0:17:12.960 --> 0:17:15.520 Video got added to social media, it turned every single 0:17:15.560 --> 0:17:17.760 person on the planet into a television network. 0:17:17.960 --> 0:17:19.440 We are all TV networks. 0:17:19.640 --> 0:17:22.760 If you have a social media platform and you have video, 0:17:23.119 --> 0:17:26.080 you are a network. Now on fan Base, it's free 0:17:26.119 --> 0:17:27.679 to down, I'm free to download, a free to use, 0:17:27.720 --> 0:17:30.520 and even free to post content. But you can simultaneously 0:17:30.640 --> 0:17:33.639 take content and put it behind a paywall in charge 0:17:33.680 --> 0:17:35.720 as well. So it now gives the freedom for every 0:17:35.800 --> 0:17:38.240 single person on the planet to be their own content 0:17:38.280 --> 0:17:40.320 provider to a community of people that are going to 0:17:40.560 --> 0:17:44.040 consume content as a community. We're going to watch shows together, 0:17:44.280 --> 0:17:46.120 and we're going to talk about them in audio rooms, 0:17:46.119 --> 0:17:48.080 and we're going to chat about them in real time, 0:17:48.320 --> 0:17:50.119 the same way young people are doing on Twitch. 0:17:50.200 --> 0:17:51.880 And so I'm ahead of the curve. 0:17:51.960 --> 0:17:54.600 I understand that this is where everything is going, that 0:17:54.640 --> 0:17:57.959 the new networks of the future are human beings and 0:17:58.040 --> 0:18:00.840 not networks themselves. So the infrastry lecture just has to 0:18:00.880 --> 0:18:02.840 be fan based again a. 0:18:03.040 --> 0:18:07.600 Regular like because you're saying, like every well, because everybody, 0:18:07.640 --> 0:18:11.560 if everybody is their own network, and you're saying like, yeah, 0:18:11.800 --> 0:18:14.760 you know, I'm free to download, like something I find 0:18:14.880 --> 0:18:18.040 very curious, like Angela saying that these conservative people they 0:18:18.080 --> 0:18:21.760 buy their viewers. It's very true. They also frolic where 0:18:22.440 --> 0:18:25.439 where they're their bots or they're real people who like 0:18:25.640 --> 0:18:28.600 you know, Blue Sky was a platform that you know, 0:18:28.760 --> 0:18:30.879 was I think skewed to the left, and so a 0:18:30.880 --> 0:18:32.680 lot of people were there, and then as it grew 0:18:32.720 --> 0:18:35.919 on popularity, this huge surge of maga people came and 0:18:36.000 --> 0:18:40.439 started you know, dropping fake information there, harassing people. How 0:18:40.480 --> 0:18:45.120 do you regulate, like their regulation determines you know, what 0:18:45.359 --> 0:18:49.480 is constitutes hate language or hate speech, what's appropriate or 0:18:49.480 --> 0:18:52.280 somebody uploads you know, naked pictures or porn. If somebody 0:18:52.320 --> 0:18:56.280 is spreading disinformation that you know is spreading disinformation, what 0:18:56.320 --> 0:18:58.240 does the regulation look like on fan Base? 0:19:00.600 --> 0:19:04.960 Well, artificial intelligence is a real big part of how 0:19:05.000 --> 0:19:05.919 you monitor content. 0:19:06.040 --> 0:19:08.160 Now, human moderators were hard. 0:19:08.160 --> 0:19:11.680 It's impossible to moderate content with just human beings. So 0:19:11.960 --> 0:19:15.480 when you think about content ingestion engines that are see 0:19:15.480 --> 0:19:18.240 what's written, see what's spoken, see what's in the video. 0:19:18.960 --> 0:19:20.840 There's a lot of platforms that use that and it's 0:19:20.840 --> 0:19:24.000 called like moderation software, and AI makes it faster and 0:19:24.080 --> 0:19:26.919 easier to do. And we actually use that software on 0:19:26.960 --> 0:19:30.000 fan Base, and we actually are building a stronger recommendation 0:19:30.080 --> 0:19:32.880 engine to actually serve people content that they want. So 0:19:33.040 --> 0:19:35.399 artificial intelligence is definitely going to help. You know, you 0:19:35.440 --> 0:19:38.879 can fact check a lot of things through artificial intelligence. 0:19:39.160 --> 0:19:43.120 Now I wouldn't necessarily I trust trust all artificial intelligence 0:19:43.119 --> 0:19:45.320 platforms may be the one that Eline built per se, 0:19:45.640 --> 0:19:48.719 but the ones that can provide factual information and links 0:19:48.920 --> 0:19:51.040 and the way that you train artificial intelligence tould be 0:19:51.040 --> 0:19:54.000 absolutely truthful. Then there's no getting around the truth. When 0:19:54.040 --> 0:19:54.560 the truth is. 0:19:54.560 --> 0:19:58.760 There you know, Isaac, just picking up where you left off. 0:19:58.760 --> 0:20:01.719 I think it's also important that in these communities that 0:20:01.760 --> 0:20:05.240 we police each other, that there's accountability by the folks 0:20:05.280 --> 0:20:09.560 who are signing up and subscribing, who are contributors. I 0:20:09.600 --> 0:20:11.879 think you know in Tiffany you know as well. I 0:20:11.880 --> 0:20:17.280 think just the democratization of access through these technologies to 0:20:17.400 --> 0:20:22.280 people has yes inflated a lot of people's personalities. And 0:20:22.440 --> 0:20:24.080 you know, there's a lot of mess out there, and 0:20:24.119 --> 0:20:26.080 a lots you don't. You know, you don't want to 0:20:26.080 --> 0:20:28.879 get into the uh, into the ears and the eyes 0:20:28.920 --> 0:20:32.200 of of of of your kids and and and friends. 0:20:33.280 --> 0:20:36.080 But but I'm curious to know, is you you talk 0:20:36.119 --> 0:20:39.960 about building well for our community and ownership for our community, 0:20:40.000 --> 0:20:44.600 and certainly the opportunity for authentic and real truth tellers 0:20:44.640 --> 0:20:48.160 to be heard, not censored, not reduced to the algorithms 0:20:48.440 --> 0:20:51.760 so that you never get to hear their voices and 0:20:51.880 --> 0:20:55.640 access their content. How you know, it's one thing for 0:20:56.040 --> 0:20:58.800 you to make it, and it's another thing for you 0:20:58.880 --> 0:21:01.600 to have a commune are your folks, Because I think frankly, 0:21:01.640 --> 0:21:05.280 more begets more, uh, the more of yous that exists, 0:21:05.320 --> 0:21:07.760 the more of us that are out here demanding it, 0:21:08.040 --> 0:21:09.800 and then we start to expect it, and then we 0:21:09.840 --> 0:21:12.480 start to say, if it isn't this, that I don't 0:21:12.520 --> 0:21:15.560 want it. What's the community look like of folks who 0:21:15.600 --> 0:21:19.159 are also building, you know, frankly, as you all climb, 0:21:20.080 --> 0:21:20.600 are there more? 0:21:20.760 --> 0:21:20.959 I mean? 0:21:21.680 --> 0:21:24.399 Yeah, So fan base is just an organic community, right, 0:21:24.560 --> 0:21:30.199 of course, it started with seed investment of myself and 0:21:30.240 --> 0:21:33.040