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Speaker 1: Native Lamp Pod is a production of iHeartRadio and partnership

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Speaker 1: with Reason Choice Media.

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Speaker 2: Welcome, Welcome, Welcome, Welcome, Welcome, Welcome.

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Speaker 3: All right, everybody, welcome home. This is Native Lamb Pod.

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Speaker 3: It is a mini pod, and we are so thrilled

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Speaker 3: to have some very very special guests joining us today.

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Speaker 3: Isaac Hayes is the founder and creator of fan Base,

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Speaker 3: and he is joined today by a producer who recently

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Speaker 3: had a very viral conversation with him, Tamisha Harris, about

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Speaker 3: fan Base and why we should be utilizing our own platforms,

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Speaker 3: especially in this day and age. We just had a

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Speaker 3: whole conversation about fascism. We know a little bit about that.

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Speaker 3: We are witnessing it all together. So we are grateful

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Speaker 3: for you all coming here and joining us today.

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Speaker 4: Thanks for having us.

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Speaker 1: I'd love if we could get started one give us

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Speaker 1: a little background.

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Speaker 5: On each of you. What brings you really to this work?

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Speaker 1: Mister Hayes. You can imagine that there are a lot

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Speaker 1: of fans out.

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Speaker 5: There of your of your name.

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Speaker 1: Uh but yeah, but your family obviously, and uh is

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Speaker 1: it Tanisha Misha? Yeah, I thought it was a m

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Speaker 1: but I thought I wrote it down wrong. Yeah, Tamisha,

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Speaker 1: I'm curious because I saw your video as well, and

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Speaker 1: I was telling the ladies before how not alarmist you sounded.

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Speaker 1: I know you referenced. You know I'm not a you know,

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Speaker 1: I don't you know, I'm not being sensational. I'm telling

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Speaker 1: you that we're under threat. Give us in our audience

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Speaker 1: a little bit of background as to what brings you

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Speaker 1: one to that point, and I think basically through your background,

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Speaker 1: they'll understand it a little bit better than obviously Sam

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Speaker 1: for you, Missays.

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Speaker 4: Thanks Andrews. So I think for me, I have been

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Speaker 4: a news producer, local and network news for since I

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Speaker 4: want to say, twenty eleven, and so, you know, watching

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Speaker 4: how stories are being told, watching how our community is

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Speaker 4: impact by the way we tell stories or the way

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Speaker 4: that we don't tell stories, has always been of concern

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Speaker 4: to me. But you know, we keep working, you know,

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Speaker 4: because you have a job to do, so you just

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Speaker 4: keep working and you do what you're supposed to do.

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Speaker 4: For me, I started by making sure we brought women

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Speaker 4: on air, that our lineup of subject matter experts were diverse,

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Speaker 4: so we can hear from their point of view. Even

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Speaker 4: an Angela ry Angela you've been on several of my shows.

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Speaker 4: So it's bringing on guests who can speak to from

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Speaker 4: a certain perspective that our community can understand that's important

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Speaker 4: to me. And then from there it started to become

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Speaker 4: more of a more critical issue from me that once

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Speaker 4: the networks started losing their base, the views social media

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Speaker 4: is now it's becoming clear that's where we're getting our news,

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Speaker 4: and it's a good time for us to take hold

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Speaker 4: of it and and get our legacy anchors, the Tiffany Crosses,

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Speaker 4: get them, get them in one space so that we're

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Speaker 4: not all spread out, so we can come as a

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Speaker 4: collective and be incredibly powerful. Now that we can own

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Speaker 4: the space and get organized so that when anything does

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Speaker 4: come down, because we all know that things get organized,

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Speaker 4: things are being organized, that we are also organized and

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Speaker 4: we are forceful, and that we're bringing the correct information

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Speaker 4: to the people who need it most, to the people

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Speaker 4: who uh uh. Mainstream media may not focus on because

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Speaker 4: they have other focuses. They have a wide group of

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Speaker 4: people that they need to focus on. But we we

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Speaker 4: have a collective, we have a specific we have specific

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Speaker 4: challenges in our community that we have to address, and

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Speaker 4: so that's what brings me. That's why I say fan

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Speaker 4: base is a is a good opportunity for us. I

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Speaker 4: don't have a vested interest in fan base. I have

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Speaker 4: a vested interest in getting our stories out, get our

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Speaker 4: getting our stories told accurately.

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Speaker 3: To me.

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Speaker 5: Sure.

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Speaker 3: I love that you said that you don't have a

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Speaker 3: vested interest in fan base, because there's an article that

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Speaker 3: fact that you're like, hey, let me disclose this, this

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Speaker 3: is what I just believe is the right thing to do.

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Speaker 3: And to that point, we actually were challenged by a

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Speaker 3: And we were on the pod and I was like,

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Speaker 3: you know what, we need to be on fan base.

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Speaker 3: So I don't know if if Tip and Andrew started

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Speaker 4: I opened up your start of line to go ahead.

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Speaker 3: Angela'sation good, so I started, mind, we have a native

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Speaker 3: lan one, Isaac. I want to hear from you about

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Speaker 3: why this is so important your biases. Of course, you

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Speaker 3: are the owner of this platform, but why is it

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Speaker 3: important for us to have our own be in our

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Speaker 5: Well he's aheading the curve.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, Well, from the beginning of social media, I think

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Speaker 2: black people have always influenced the culture. If we go

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Speaker 2: back to black Planet, black Planet page looks very similar

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Speaker 2: to a MySpace page, and between now and then, we

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Speaker 2: achieved the level of success that fan Base has and

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Speaker 2: the opportunity there. I'm more interested in infrastructure because the

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Speaker 2: infrastructures of these social media platforms reach hundreds of billions

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Speaker 2: of dollars, and the people that own those platforms, the

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Speaker 2: people that monetize those platforms, take that wealth and they

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Speaker 2: and they pass agendas that work against black people.

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Speaker 5: So Elon has x there's.

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Speaker 2: True social Zuckerberg tends to flip flop between whatever it

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Speaker 2: is and whatever's going to happen with TikTok. I'm pretty

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Speaker 2: sure the Trump administration is going to have their hand

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Speaker 2: in that. And so the design for fan Base to

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Speaker 2: build something that was black OneD, but for every single

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Speaker 2: person on the planet to use because we have to

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Speaker 2: look out for ourselves. We have to make sure that

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Speaker 2: we're not getting shadow band, our accounts aren't getting deprioritized,

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Speaker 2: we're not getting pushed off these platforms, and then more importantly,

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Speaker 2: owning these platforms, because again the idea behind creating a

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Speaker 2: social media platform that people could actually have equity in

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Speaker 2: is because we know that black culture puts social media

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Speaker 2: equals billion dollar platforms, but we never have equity and

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Speaker 2: ownership of these platforms. And then we beg to be respected,

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Speaker 2: we beg to be let in, we beg to be acknowledged,

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Speaker 2: gone and just taking the step up, let's build the infrastructure.

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Speaker 2: Like I always look at Black cultures like vibranium. This

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Speaker 2: When you pour pour a black culture into a shoe,

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Speaker 2: you get a Jordan. You pour pour black culture into

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Speaker 2: black culture into a phone, you get social media. But

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Speaker 2: we have to think about who's going to own those

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Speaker 2: infrastructures first, because they're literally scaling these things two hundreds

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Speaker 2: generational wealth, and on top of that, we have to

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Speaker 2: start creating wealth collectively. I am happy for everybody that's

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Speaker 2: the millionaires and billionaires, but that is doing nothing to

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Speaker 5: The wealth gap.

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Speaker 2: So what we need to start to do is invest

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Speaker 2: invest in those by the thousands, and then scale those

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Speaker 2: platforms two hundreds of billions of dollars, not a billion,

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Speaker 2: We need something like that in our community that we own.

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Speaker 2: So rather than having one Zuckerberg, we canna have a

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Speaker 4: and I'm watching Tiffany, and I trust Tiffany. Tiffany is

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Speaker 4: the person that I watch every single day, every single night.

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Speaker 4: I trust, I trust Angela. These are the faces that

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Speaker 4: I'm I'm used to seeing, so I trust them. Andrew,

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Speaker 4: if for whatever reason, you all are shadow band the

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Speaker 4: get to you, especially when there's information that needs to

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Speaker 4: get out. That's my big push with fan base right now,

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Speaker 4: particularly with this administration. If there's something that needs to

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Speaker 4: acquiescing to this administration, We our community can't afford not

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Speaker 4: to not to hear what Angela has to say, not

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Speaker 5: We have to know what to do.

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Speaker 4: So that's why it's important for that's why it's important

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Speaker 4: that will not silence us regardless of how you feel

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Speaker 6: I wanted to to jump in here on one just

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Speaker 6: for context for our viewers. Isaacy reference Bite Dance. That is,

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Speaker 6: of course, the parent company of TikTok, which they accord,

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Speaker 6: My question, I want to go to you to Misha

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Speaker 6: so I would trade war stories with you, my friend,

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Speaker 6: as a fellow survivor of network news, because I know

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Speaker 6: how challenging that is as a black woman, and navigate

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Speaker 6: imagine that you did in your long career. Part of

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Speaker 6: what you're describing I have experienced as a double edged

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Speaker 6: One I understood it because mainstream media summarily dismissed our

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Speaker 6: of course that is where you were going to gather. However,

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Speaker 6: what we saw particular leading up to the twenty sixteen

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Speaker 6: was the IRA, the Internet Russia agency who spent millions

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Speaker 6: and we certainly saw the results. Now you cut to

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Speaker 6: years later, I imagine China has invested interests and the information

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Speaker 6: missed who is an actual reporter, who is a journalist,

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Speaker 6: because having an opinion does not make you a journalist.

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Speaker 4: The same way we were taught, Tiffany, the same way

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Speaker 5: No, you can't buy followers on fan base.

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Speaker 2: and so I'm not you know, I didn't build a

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Speaker 2: I actually built a platform so that people can have

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Speaker 5: So really, ever since.

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Speaker 5: We are all TV networks.

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Speaker 2: If you have a social media platform and you have video,

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Speaker 6: Regular like because you're saying, like every well, because everybody,

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Speaker 1: There you know, Isaac, just picking up where you left off.

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Speaker 1: But but I'm curious to know, is you you talk

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Speaker 5: Future of social media.

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Speaker 2: Communities heavily African American. Yeah, of course, absolutely shout out,

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Speaker 5: So this is a global platform.

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Speaker 2: And we talk about Africa coming on wildly to the

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Speaker 2: Internet in the next few years. It's almost two billion

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Speaker 2: people that will be platformed and who's going to who's

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Speaker 2: going to own the infrastructure of the platforms that they

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Speaker 2: use to communicate and do that, And so black people

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Speaker 2: have to own our own sources of media and have

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Speaker 2: those conversations. So when I say, if you can't say

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Speaker 2: what you want, how you want, how often you want,

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Speaker 2: the way you want, that's what I call media.

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Speaker 5: That's what I call where.

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Speaker 2: It's like, if there's an injustice happening anywhere, it doesn't

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Speaker 2: matter if it does, if it's not good for ratings,

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Speaker 2: if it's not good for whatever it is. If truck

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Speaker 2: drivers are going missing, if team if black teen girls

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Speaker 2: are getting sex trafficked, if young young boys are getting

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Speaker 2: harassed by the police in DC, and the only way

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Speaker 2: that we know this is by them pulling out their

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Speaker 2: own cell phones and sharing it to a community like

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Speaker 2: fan base or social media. And that's what we need.

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Speaker 2: And that's the urgency and importance of having this platform.

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Speaker 5: I love it.

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Speaker 1: I know we've got a run and we can't keep

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Speaker 1: y'all all day, but we leave people with takeaways, admonishments,

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Speaker 1: things that they must do as a result of this conversation.

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Speaker 1: And I'm curious for both Timisha, you and Isaac, what

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Speaker 1: instruction do you have for folks? What should they take

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Speaker 1: away from this conversation as an admonishment to go and

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Speaker 1: do something.

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Speaker 4: Thank you Andrew. Just real quick, what I see is

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Speaker 4: that our stories are not a priority. Whereas you saw

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Speaker 4: in twenty twenty, we were seeing all kinds of stories

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Speaker 4: on police brutality, we were seeing stories that impacted black

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Speaker 4: people come to the forefront in the news. Now we

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Speaker 4: are really fighting to even get a story that needs

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Speaker 4: to be an urgent story that impacts us. We are

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Speaker 4: fighting for that in in our production meetings and for me,

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Speaker 4: that impacts us greatly. That's my concern. We need to

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Speaker 4: be able to get our stories out, to be able

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Speaker 4: to make sure that we are helping our our people,

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Speaker 4: our communities. So my last words are for the media people,

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Speaker 4: for the anchors, the reporters, join fan I say, joined

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Speaker 4: fan base, so that we know we have a specific

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Speaker 4: place for where you're going to be that we trust,

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Speaker 4: because we trust your voice, we trust your research. We

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Speaker 4: just need you all in one place. That's what I'm saying.

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Speaker 2: I love that, Thank you, and and for me, I

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Speaker 2: would say invest we don't you know again, I love

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Speaker 2: the individual success. I love all the black being a

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Speaker 2: billionaires we have in the United States of America. But

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Speaker 2: if we have fourteen black millionaires billionaires, we need one

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Speaker 2: hundred and forty more, or we need thousands and thousands

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Speaker 2: of millionaires because agendas are bought, right, These agendas are purchased.

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Speaker 2: Elon Musk bought a whole social media platform so he

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Speaker 2: can win an election. And what I'm saying is that

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Speaker 2: I tell people that if you want to own and

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Speaker 2: own a piece of fan Base, you can do that.

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Speaker 5: Now.

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Speaker 2: I know that Angela talked about investing. I think you

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Speaker 2: guys have talked about investing. But anybody that wants to

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Speaker 2: invest and actually own part of this platform, go to

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Speaker 2: start engine, dot com, slash fan Base and invest the

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Speaker 2: minimum it's three hundred and ninety nine dollars, and I

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Speaker 2: feel like we have over twenty three thousand investors. And again,

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Speaker 2: we have to take this opportunity to own the infrastructure

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Speaker 2: of the things that we make great. If not, we

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Speaker 2: will be customers to our creations. We just we will

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Speaker 2: be the talent and we will not be the infrastructure.

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Speaker 2: And that is my ask, is that people actually invest

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Speaker 2: in fan Base and own a part of it.

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Speaker 5: I love that.

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Speaker 1: I love that, as you all mentioned at this onset

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Speaker 1: of this black people you know well box our weight.

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Speaker 1: We've always out boxed our weight since our arrival here

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Speaker 1: in this land.

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Speaker 5: And so.

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Speaker 1: Uh uh, if we make the choice, we then set

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Speaker 1: the curve for everything that then comes after. It's just

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Speaker 1: it's a fact. I think, Tiffany I can say it's

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Speaker 1: a fact. You're funder that phrase. Uh. And Angela, I

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Speaker 1: know you bought us in and you want to close

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Speaker 1: us out, But I just want to say, on behalf

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Speaker 1: of our listeners, you want to thank you all for this,

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Speaker 1: for sounding the alarm, but also for setting the agenda.

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Speaker 5: The plate.

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Speaker 1: You know what we have to look forward to. I'm

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Speaker 1: looking forward to it.

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Speaker 6: And before I just want to say, really quickly, Isaac,

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Speaker 6: when you hear me say on a platform on the

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Speaker 6: public states that will be customers of our creation, I'm

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Speaker 6: giving you credit in my heart you.

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Speaker 1: Yes, because she will out loud sewer.

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Speaker 5: We freestyled greatness.

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Speaker 1: When you hear that again, you won't get credit, but.

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Speaker 6: In my heart because you dropped like three barns and

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Speaker 6: I'm just I'm taking them well.

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Speaker 3: At some point, even when we borrow from each other,

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Speaker 3: we shall all be free someday, So we thank y'all

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Speaker 3: for joining us. Isaac Hayes and Tamitia Hairs are really

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Speaker 3: really grateful for this conversation.

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Speaker 4: You all are always welcome back.

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Speaker 1: Welcome home, y'all, Welcome home, get on base.

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Speaker 3: Thank you, Flavor Flavor Boy, I tell you by my damn.

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Speaker 5: Thank you, guys.

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