Speaker 1: You are listening to the Dan Patrick Show on Fox
Speaker 1: Sports Radio Final Hour. In this Tuesday, the popular Nick
Speaker 1: Wright Fox Sports First Things First will join us and
Speaker 1: probably take a flamethrower to the nets Kyrie Irving and
Speaker 1: Kevin Durant to win an NBA title. I think a
Speaker 1: lot of people believe that you need veteran talent, and
Speaker 1: to a certain extent, I guess that's true. It's hard
Speaker 1: to trust a young player to lead you to a
Speaker 1: title when they get to the postseason. But that hasn't
Speaker 1: slowed down some of the younger players in Round one,
Speaker 1: Anthony Edwards, Jordan Pool, Brandon Ingram Tyrese Maxie. They've made
Speaker 1: an impact in the first round. And historically it's tough
Speaker 1: for young players to accomplish something when they get into
Speaker 1: the postseason. But athletes are beginning to get elite level
Speaker 1: coaching at a much earlier age. Look at Nasser Cunningham.
Speaker 1: He is the number one overall recruit for the twenty
Speaker 1: twenty four recruiting class. He's decided to commit to the
Speaker 1: Overtime Elite Elopmental program, so that gives him access to
Speaker 1: top tier coaching at a very young age. I don't
Speaker 1: know what his development's going to be like. But he's
Speaker 1: going to go in and be a semi pro or
Speaker 1: be a pro. And he's part of the twenty twenty
Speaker 1: four recruiting class, and maybe this year's NBA playoffs are
Speaker 1: a sneak peek at the potential impact of these young players,
Speaker 1: what they can have as they move forward. We tend
Speaker 1: to skew to the veteran players. You know, when you
Speaker 1: get deeper into the postseason, the younger players are going
Speaker 1: to act like younger players. But you know factor this
Speaker 1: in as well. Brandon Ingram has been in the NBA,
Speaker 1: I think six years. He's twenty four. Jason Tatum he's
Speaker 1: what twenty five. This is where you go back to
Speaker 1: a previous generation. Guys were coming into the NBA at
Speaker 1: twenty two and twenty three. Now they're coming in at eighteen.
Speaker 1: So when you start to look at them and the
Speaker 1: maturation process, normally it would be if you got into
Speaker 1: the league at twenty two twenty three, you might start
Speaker 1: to mature and show that greatness when you're twenty seven,
Speaker 1: twenty eight. I mean Michael Jordan was twenty three in
Speaker 1: his rookie year. Larry Byrd, who went to Indiana and
Speaker 1: then he sat out a year and then went to
Speaker 1: Indiana State. Larry was probably twenty three twenty four when
Speaker 1: he got into the NBA, And it's just a different
Speaker 1: process of what you have these young players coming in,
Speaker 1: but they get a lot of playing time at an
Speaker 1: early age, a young age. So I think you have
Speaker 1: to look at these younger players differently than we have
Speaker 1: in the past. What happened last night Jason Tatum and
Speaker 1: Jalen Brown. Tatum had twenty nine Jalen Brown added twenty
Speaker 1: two as the Celtics beat the Nets, sweeping Brooklyn in
Speaker 1: the first round. Kevin Durant lost in the first round
Speaker 1: for the first time since twenty ten. That was his
Speaker 1: first playoffs series. He had won nine consecutive first round
Speaker 1: series prior to this year. Sounded like a stat of
Speaker 1: the day, the mark stat of the day, bust out
Speaker 1: of the day, stat of the day here comes that
Speaker 1: what stat of the day? Here is Kevin Durant talking
Speaker 1: about the chemistry that they tried to develop in Brooklyn.
Speaker 1: So it's a lot of stuff that happened throughout the
Speaker 1: series that just didn't work in our favor. But I
Speaker 1: like the way we tried to come together towards the
Speaker 1: end of the season and salvage what was lost, you
Speaker 1: know what, guys being injured, guy's being traded. Just you know.
Speaker 1: So once we finally got together, we had a mission
Speaker 1: and wanted to make the playoffs and see what kind
Speaker 1: of noise we can make. And we didn't make any noise,
Speaker 1: but we got to the playoff. Oh you made noise.
Speaker 1: It was called fud. That's the noise that you made
Speaker 1: as you fell to earth. There Kyrie Irving, in case
Speaker 1: you're curious what he felt about this season, yeh, he
Speaker 1: said that a lot of us were haters with the NTS.
Speaker 1: You know, I know so many people wanted to see
Speaker 1: us fail at this juncture, you know, picked us as contenders,
Speaker 1: and you know, have so much to say at this point.
Speaker 1: So I'm just using that as fuel for the summer.
Speaker 1: You know, hopefully we don't run into any barriers and
Speaker 1: we could just start fresh, you know, be realistic with
Speaker 1: our own expectations and live with our team results rather
Speaker 1: than you know, being the polarization of kind of the
Speaker 1: media scrumb and having our names be dragged, you know,
Speaker 1: for a series that naturally happens in people's careers. You know, definitely, Um,
Speaker 1: I didn't have had his motivation going into the summertime. Now, okay,
Speaker 1: I don't want to see the nets out of the playoffs.
Speaker 1: I don't know who he's talking about. To me, it's
Speaker 1: good TV. Did you need motivation to win? So now
Speaker 1: you have motivation in the arm season? Are you haters
Speaker 1: out there? Did he say this three months ago? I'd
Speaker 1: love to have the nets in the playoffs. I'd love
Speaker 1: to be able to see kd How about you prove
Speaker 1: everybody wrong this year because the U had haters because
Speaker 1: you know your stand so on getting vaccinated and what
Speaker 1: that was doing to your team and your good buddy
Speaker 1: Kevin Durant. But you chose that, Kadi chose Steve Nash
Speaker 1: to be his head coach. You guys were okay with
Speaker 1: James Harden coming in, then you were okay with him
Speaker 1: going out, and you're okay with Ben Simmons coming in.
Speaker 1: You guys, you know, apparently we're okay with bringing in
Speaker 1: Blake Griffin, who's you're younger than I am. I think yeah,
Speaker 1: seen people do seem to be taking a victory lap
Speaker 1: today though for some reason, I have no animosity towards
Speaker 1: him a lot. I don't know that Kyrie was addressing
Speaker 1: you specifically in that sound bite, but there's a lot
Speaker 1: of people in the media that are like, what happened?
Speaker 1: You know what I mean? So I don't think it's
Speaker 1: that unrealistic for them to be like, yeah, people didn't
Speaker 1: like us. There's a certain amount of unlikability to that
Speaker 1: Nets team. Yeah, they're hard to root for, but they
Speaker 1: are good content everything. Most media members would say, who's
Speaker 1: going to give you content stories? There's always something there.
Speaker 1: They certainly will. I'd love to have the Lakers still around.
Speaker 1: Great content there. But you know, do we root against
Speaker 1: super teams? I guess we do. It feels like that's
Speaker 1: a built in aversion that you have too. Well, you
Speaker 1: didn't do it the right way, you know, when when
Speaker 1: Kadie joined Golden State, all of a sudden, Golden State
Speaker 1: did not become a fun story. Hey, that was all
Speaker 1: homegrown Hebron and Kadi. Yeah see, and especially the you
Speaker 1: know super team guy that you know won with Lebron
Speaker 1: then blew up the Celtics somehow, then went to the
Speaker 1: Nets and messed everything up there because he wouldn't get
Speaker 1: the vaccine like there's a million storylines where people are
Speaker 1: are on Kyrie. Yeah, and rightfully so, because he's saying, well,
Speaker 1: you know we were tired at the end of the year.
Speaker 1: Well you shouldn't be. We weren't able to gel it's
Speaker 1: because of you. So those are things I had problems with.
Speaker 1: But it just feels like there was always something with Kyrie. Kyrie,
Speaker 1: you know, taking ownership of you really helped derail this season. Now,
Speaker 1: maybe the experts or analysts don't want to be wrong,
Speaker 1: and a lot of people thought, oh, the Nets are
Speaker 1: gonna win it all, Like the Nets barely got into
Speaker 1: the postseason, but Vegas had them as the favorite still
Speaker 1: and I kept thinking, do they watch them play? And
Speaker 1: I don't know how good the Celtics are. They were
Speaker 1: a great story, great turnaround since first week of January.
Speaker 1: Nobody better. You know, they won the first round series
Speaker 1: against a damaged Nets team. I don't know what that
Speaker 1: team is going to be. Like, do I want to
Speaker 1: sign up for Kyrie long term? I don't, But I
Speaker 1: don't know what Brooklyn's options are. Philadelphia has got to
Speaker 1: decide what they want to do with James Hart. At
Speaker 1: least Kyrie can play at a really high level. Still, uh,
Speaker 1: I don't know if James Harden can. And I thought
Speaker 1: this was interesting a comment that was made about Joe
Speaker 1: ellen Bead had this to say about James Harden and
Speaker 1: getting him motivated. Yeah. I've been saying all seasons since
Speaker 1: he got here. You know, he just needs to build
Speaker 1: aggressive and he needs to be himself. Um, you know,
Speaker 1: and that's you know, that's not with him my job.
Speaker 1: You know. I was probably on coach on to you know,
Speaker 1: talk to him and tell him to you know, take
Speaker 1: more shots, especially if they're gonna guard me to wit
Speaker 1: I've been guarding, um, but uh, you know that's really
Speaker 1: not my job. Could you imagine at any point in
Speaker 1: James Harden's career that somebody would have to say, yeah,
Speaker 1: somebody got to motivate him to take more shots. Yeah. See,
Speaker 1: but it's also tough because it dude has just been
Speaker 1: cold as you wouldn't believe. I mean, telling the guy
Speaker 1: who's four of eleven, like, what are you doing? Keep shooting?
Speaker 1: It feels weird, Yes, but I still have to have
Speaker 1: him shoot. Because your best player has a fractured thumb,
Speaker 1: you have to shoot. Harden took eleven shots. He takes
Speaker 1: eleven and in the first quarter. I he just needs
Speaker 1: to get in shape. He got to decide if he
Speaker 1: wants to be a great player, like an old time player,
Speaker 1: not just one of the great regular season players of
Speaker 1: all time, because that's what he is. He's a mystery.
Speaker 1: He's a disappointment in the postseason. He doesn't come up big.
Speaker 1: And this is when they I mean, if them b
Speaker 1: doesn't hit that shot in the previous game. I mean,
Speaker 1: this is a different, different series. Philly could be bounced
Speaker 1: after the first round. I mean it's it's it's that
Speaker 1: tenuous here, yeah, Mark, And so if they lose, does
Speaker 1: Doc go to the Lakers? Coming up next? Man? Yeah?
Speaker 1: Is that your sports entered ties? It was another show
Speaker 1: on another network, But yes, okay, it'd be h greeney on,
Speaker 1: get up all undisputed? Undisputed? What is Lebron think of Doc?
Speaker 1: Coming up next? Oh? Okay, what did the Cowboys think
Speaker 1: about Doc? What did the Cowboys think of Doc Rivers
Speaker 1: coaching the Lakers? And we'll coach k be on the
Speaker 1: bench as well. That's next. Now, you don't want coach
Speaker 1: k in there. He doesn't he doesn't get clicks. Now
Speaker 1: you want to go lebron if, Doc Rivers the Cowboys
Speaker 1: and somehow Baker Mayfield, Yeah, Mark Brady also, oh Tom Brady?
Speaker 1: M okay. Does Tom Brady wish he was still in
Speaker 1: Boston to watch these Celtics? M yeah, you gotta get
Speaker 1: clicks there, all right. So that was the NBA last night.
Speaker 1: You know, it was six years ago tonight. I don't
Speaker 1: know how you're going to celebrate, but it was six
Speaker 1: years ago tonight. Draft Laramie Tunsil came into the draft
Speaker 1: as the top offensive lineman out of all miss going
Speaker 1: to be a top ten pick, and then, all of
Speaker 1: a sudden, prior to the start of the draft, ten
Speaker 1: minutes before we're watching as there was a video that
Speaker 1: was leaked His Instagram social media was hacked, and he's
Speaker 1: in an apartment while he's still in college, and he's
Speaker 1: got a mask on like he's a fighter pilot and
Speaker 1: it's a bong that I guess that's what it is.
Speaker 1: So nobody, the guys who were hosting the draft didn't
Speaker 1: even know this was going on. We did, and we're thinking,
Speaker 1: oh my god, this guy's going to get drafted. Does
Speaker 1: he know that his social media has been hacked? Then
Speaker 1: his agent has to call the teams, and then he
Speaker 1: drops to the Dolphins I think at thirteen and you know,
Speaker 1: teams Tennessee took a tackle. One other team was looking
Speaker 1: at taking a tackle Baltimore. They passed on Laramie Tounsil
Speaker 1: after this, so he lost some money. I mean, it's
Speaker 1: similar of sorts to UH, who was the Warren Sap.
Speaker 1: Warren Sap dropped two years ago. But but Tunsil we
Speaker 1: saw something play out live and it's one of those
Speaker 1: where you're going, this can't be happening. And then he
Speaker 1: meets with the media afterwards and it's like, hey, how
Speaker 1: do you feel and he's like great, you know, walking
Speaker 1: across the stage shaking the commissioner's hand. I'm going to
Speaker 1: the Dolphins. And then no, no, how do you feel
Speaker 1: about the video coming out of you with a mask
Speaker 1: that you're taking bong hits out of Uh said he
Speaker 1: was hacked. That didn't that didn't explain that you still
Speaker 1: have a mask on taking bong hits. Yeah I got hacked.
Speaker 1: Wait were you wearing a mask taking bong hits? Well yeah,
Speaker 1: but I got hacked. When he takes that mask off
Speaker 1: that he takes smilest man, Oh like I did love
Speaker 1: this dude, d little wild moment. He had a bigger
Speaker 1: smile on his face with that bong hit that he
Speaker 1: did getting drafted by the Dolphins. Sure it did, yes, Todd.
Speaker 1: So when we get to pick thirteen, does everybody take
Speaker 1: a bong hit? If you're an appropriate age? It's not
Speaker 1: the way to sell. Shouldn't you shouldn't you're not? Or
Speaker 1: should we should know? Yeah? Yes, bo I just went
Speaker 1: went back and watched a clip in the NFL network
Speaker 1: Rich Eyes and is sitting there announcing it. He goes,
Speaker 1: I don't know if Laramie Tunsel knows what's going on
Speaker 1: around him right now, because he's sitting there without a
Speaker 1: phone in his hand, and his agent has left the
Speaker 1: table to go do his work and talk to the teams.
Speaker 1: It's a wild scene. I think. I text Rich Eisen
Speaker 1: that night just to say, you know, have you have
Speaker 1: you seen the video of Laramie Tunsel because you're watching
Speaker 1: and you keep waiting for the mothership or NFL network
Speaker 1: to to all of a sudden say hey, there's this
Speaker 1: video out. We knew it before those covering the draft dude,
Speaker 1: and then you wondered where he was going to go.
Speaker 1: That was six years ago tonight, since then Tonso was
Speaker 1: in Miami. Then he went to Houston, and the Dolphins,
Speaker 1: I think, are still getting draft picks from Houston for
Speaker 1: Laramie Tounso, who's turned down to be a good player,
Speaker 1: but he should have gone higher. Oh, thank you, John,
Speaker 1: thank you three? Yeah? Good, all right, thank you? Yes,
Speaker 1: some teams. Do you think that it happened now, it
Speaker 1: would be like it happened Thursday night to a draftee.
Speaker 1: Okay deal, Yeah, it'd be almost comedy more than real reaction. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Do you remember when I had a source how many
Speaker 1: years ago? Is this where I told you that I
Speaker 1: was hearing that the players were going to say to
Speaker 1: the owners, that will let you test for HGH if
Speaker 1: you basically get rid of testing for marijuana. And I
Speaker 1: remember when I had that that because h has been
Speaker 1: and probably still is very prevalent in the NFL. And
Speaker 1: I go back to the plane trip I took with
Speaker 1: a guy who said that I don't know what the
Speaker 1: number one seventy percent of his teammates probably on HDH,
Speaker 1: but the fact that they would, hey, you can test
Speaker 1: for HGH, just let us have our pot and I
Speaker 1: think the NFL has come a long way in how
Speaker 1: they view that now, and I don't know if it now.
Speaker 1: If that's a quarterback, then it's different if all of
Speaker 1: a sudden, one of these quarterbacks who could be taken
Speaker 1: in the first round takes off a mask after doing
Speaker 1: bong hits, and you go, that's not the guy that
Speaker 1: I want on my team. I mean, Laramy Tunsil is
Speaker 1: an offensive lineman, all right, I'm okay with that now.
Speaker 1: He's not dealing with a heavy machinery like a quarterback is.
Speaker 1: But if that would happen Thursday night, probably wouldn't be
Speaker 1: that big of a deal. All right. Our good buddy
Speaker 1: Nick Wright from Fox Sports First Things First will join
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Speaker 1: What's the poll question and did we change it an
Speaker 1: hour two or hour three? Well, we've actually had two
Speaker 1: poll questions going for most of the show. Okay, double dipping, Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: we're double dipping today. Would you rather miss the playoffs
Speaker 1: or get swept in the first round? Well, this is
Speaker 1: interesting because sixty five percent of our Twitter audience says
Speaker 1: miss the playoffs, whereas the Dan Patrick dot com poll
Speaker 1: question that audience, yeah, fifty fifty. Well let me ask
Speaker 1: Nick right that first thing's first co host on Fox
Speaker 1: Sports one. Would you rather be the Lakers or the Nets? Well,
Speaker 1: those are two different questions. I think making the playoffs
Speaker 1: is better than missing the playoffs. However, I'd rather be
Speaker 1: the Lakers than the Nets because the Lakers, you at
Speaker 1: least had time to process that this was going to
Speaker 1: be a disaster. The Nets were the Vegas favorites to
Speaker 1: win the conference fourteen days ago. The Nets had many
Speaker 1: of our colleagues buying into this nonsense. It's five days ago.
Speaker 1: So the Nets are a bigger failure, a bigger disappointment.
Speaker 1: But I they did, you know, so the Nets it
Speaker 1: was worse. But in the vagaries of missed the playoffs
Speaker 1: or get swept around one. I'd rather get swept around one.
Speaker 1: I'd like to get there. It's similar to I'd rather,
Speaker 1: you know, make the finals and lose than lose before
Speaker 1: the finals and then say oh, never lost. You know.
Speaker 1: But that's about the different guy. I'll get to more NBA.
Speaker 1: We were talking about six years ago tonight. It was
Speaker 1: what Laramie Tunsil with the masks. Yeah, the bong hits mask. Yeah.
Speaker 1: And I was wondering what it would be like to,
Speaker 1: you know, Thursday night, if that would happen like six
Speaker 1: years later, how do you think we would view you know,
Speaker 1: let's say I don't want to say a quarterback, because
Speaker 1: we view a quarterback differently, but let's say it's an
Speaker 1: offensive lineman and that video came out. How do you
Speaker 1: think the media. I don't think it'd be viewed that differently.
Speaker 1: Oh really, yeah, well he dropped because yeah, I think
Speaker 1: he'd dropping in today. I think I think because there
Speaker 1: were so many It wasn't just a gas mask bong.
Speaker 1: It was that it was from his Twitter account and
Speaker 1: it's like, wait, he's being extorted. Oh, this seems messy
Speaker 1: and scary. Yeah, I don't think listen, I understand that
Speaker 1: in most municipalities that are listening right now, you can
Speaker 1: smoke a joint on the street. These days, I still
Speaker 1: feel like there is still a bit of a you know,
Speaker 1: at some social morays where it hasn't been fully accepted,
Speaker 1: Like you on your show, Dan, you guys have drank beers.
Speaker 1: I know, Yeah, I've seen you do it. Would you
Speaker 1: would you ever smoke a joint on the air. I
Speaker 1: don't think you would, even if you were. I don't
Speaker 1: know if you're a weed smoker or not. But regardless,
Speaker 1: like I still think there is there is still some
Speaker 1: stigma attached to it. I think he'd still drop quite
Speaker 1: a bit. Yeah, I just I just don't see that
Speaker 1: happening now as much because the NFL is relaxed it's
Speaker 1: standards or whatever on marijuana. So I mean, they don't
Speaker 1: hear about these players. I don't really think they he
Speaker 1: dropped because people were like, oh, he's a pothead. I
Speaker 1: think he dropped because they were like a character issues
Speaker 1: a bad judgment, who's surrounding him? And I think those
Speaker 1: same things, like, let me put it like this, there's
Speaker 1: not a lot of stigma. I don't think surrounding consensual
Speaker 1: sex between adults. But if on Draft night somebody's Twitter
Speaker 1: posted a sex video of themselves, I think they dropped.
Speaker 1: I think it'd be like, oh, we're worried he's gonna
Speaker 1: be having sex. I think it'd be like, well, what
Speaker 1: the hell's going on here? So I just look at
Speaker 1: differently fair point. Let's move on. O listen, you bring
Speaker 1: me here for hard truth. I thought we were ranking
Speaker 1: players in NBA history. Instead we're talking. You may even
Speaker 1: talk about sex videos. Yeah, you don't need to say
Speaker 1: hard truth. The NETS situation as they move forward. You
Speaker 1: got the Kyrie, you know, Max Deal, Ben Simmons, Katie
Speaker 1: getting older and did look a little older with the
Speaker 1: younger guys in Boston. All right, yeah, okay, I'm happy
Speaker 1: for Kyrie. By the way, the first year of his
Speaker 1: professional life and he gave himself a raise in a promotion.
Speaker 1: How about that, Kyrie asked after the game. Kyrie signs
Speaker 1: in Boston's making around thirty four million a year. A
Speaker 1: year into it, He's like, by the way, I'm co
Speaker 1: head coach. It's like Steve Nash is here, but I'm
Speaker 1: kind of the coach. Katie's kind of the coach. A
Speaker 1: year later, He's like, Okay today, this year, I barely
Speaker 1: showed up for work. I was terrible in the postseason.
Speaker 1: Here's where I've decided. I'm gonna make about forty five
Speaker 1: million a year and I'm co general manager. I'm gonna
Speaker 1: build the roster with Joe Si and Sean Marks. This
Speaker 1: dude is delusional, man, delusional. I'll ask your audience put
Speaker 1: this on your poll question. What's your favorite Kyrie Irving
Speaker 1: playoff moment that doesn't involve Lebron James. Oh wait, yeah,
Speaker 1: I think it's in Round one, stomping on that stupid
Speaker 1: lepper Con. I think that's as good as it's ever
Speaker 1: gotten for him. But they're stuck with him. They got
Speaker 1: to pay him this money. Yeah, I feel I mean,
Speaker 1: I feel terribly for Durant. I mean I do, and
Speaker 1: I don't. But yeah, I mean they're screwed. I mean
Speaker 1: they are screwed. Man, Like, really, what choice do you have?
Speaker 1: You can't let them walk? Yeah, it'd be like, oh,
Speaker 1: they'll sign him and then trade him. I reported nine
Speaker 1: months ago, and I was correct on it that when
Speaker 1: the Nets were considering trading Kyrie, he made it very
Speaker 1: clear you trade me if you want, but I'll retire.
Speaker 1: That kind of hurts your trade market. So what are
Speaker 1: you gonna do? I know our colleague Stephen A has
Speaker 1: been saying he would pay him the max, but only
Speaker 1: one year at a time. Harry ain't gonna take a
Speaker 1: one year deal. I mean kind of like they listen Anne,
Speaker 1: by the way, now that he's COGM, I think he
Speaker 1: negotiates with himself. I think he says, Kyrie opened your
Speaker 1: third eye. What contract would you like? Like a three
Speaker 1: years less player option to the max? Like, you know what, guy,
Speaker 1: I think we can do that. Hope to show up
Speaker 1: for more than thirty games. So what do you do
Speaker 1: with Ben Simmons? Feels like you're stuck with him as well?
Speaker 1: Oh boy, all right? Can I I don't know if
Speaker 1: this is a defense of Ben Simmons. Can I can
Speaker 1: I soft launch a take sure? I believe Ben simmons
Speaker 1: back is truly hurt, and I believe he didn't suffer
Speaker 1: a back injury. I think we know enough about the mind.
Speaker 1: Psycho sw yes, stress and anxiety can cause ulcers, can
Speaker 1: cause back pain, among other things, So I don't this
Speaker 1: idea he's faking an injury. I do not buy them.
Speaker 1: I believe that his back hurts, that he feels like
Speaker 1: he has an injury, but I also don't think he
Speaker 1: ever suffered an injury. That does that make sense? And
Speaker 1: I don't think that's like a scurless allegation. It's the
Speaker 1: only thing that tracks to me. I do think he
Speaker 1: wants to play basketball at some point, but I think
Speaker 1: he's so deep in his own head. I think it
Speaker 1: scares them, and I think it is causing the back game.
Speaker 1: I just think the Nets handled it so poorly. Instead
Speaker 1: of having one voice, and Steve Nash should have said
Speaker 1: at every press conference, Ben is not playing, Ben is
Speaker 1: not playing. Now. Ben didn't help out by saying, you
Speaker 1: know I can't play in game three, but you know
Speaker 1: there's a reasonable chance so I could play in game four.
Speaker 1: You know, one voice because you're not sure who's telling
Speaker 1: you the truth and who's not. I didn't have a
Speaker 1: lot of sympathy for Nash this year because I thought
Speaker 1: he did a truly terrible job, But in this one
Speaker 1: I feel terribly for as he supposed to do, and
Speaker 1: Nash was pretty consistent with it. But then Wojer Shams
Speaker 1: would be like, hey, Ben, Simmons targeting this date, targeting
Speaker 1: that date be like, what the hell's going on here? Uh? Yeah,
Speaker 1: that that's a mess um So I don't know. I mean,
Speaker 1: who would lead that I missed the full year? I
Speaker 1: have a theory. I have another theory. Oh boy, this
Speaker 1: is okay? You know what my true north is? Take integrity,
Speaker 1: even if this gets me some angry texts. I don't
Speaker 1: know this and I can't prove this obviously. I wonder
Speaker 1: if people close to Ben we're trying to add pressure
Speaker 1: in a positive way to get him on the court.
Speaker 1: Does that make sense that if that, if it's okay,
Speaker 1: he might play, he might not play. We think he
Speaker 1: should play. We think it's good for him to play
Speaker 1: if we if we help put out there, oh there
Speaker 1: is a date that maybe that will get him on
Speaker 1: the court, and that's his get back on the horse moment,
Speaker 1: and then his career can finally turned the page. Because
Speaker 1: the reason this is such a disaster is even if
Speaker 1: he plays game one of next year, so many of
Speaker 1: these questions and concerns are going to come back the
Speaker 1: moment the playoffs start, because his last moment in the
Speaker 1: plea didn't get ten minutes in these playoffs. His last
Speaker 1: moment in the playoffs was the worst moment of professional life.
Speaker 1: It's not great. Yeah. I mentioned that yesterday that maybe
Speaker 1: somebody was trying to not go to him into playing,
Speaker 1: but trying to push him into come on, let's go,
Speaker 1: let's let's let's get back on the horse here. And
Speaker 1: like I did with the with the dinner invites, just
Speaker 1: keep subtly bringing it up until you feel obligated to
Speaker 1: eventually do it. Yes, exactly that strategy. But my back
Speaker 1: was hurting when we went to dinner as well. Yeah.
Speaker 1: I know he's self medicated too, buddy, But god, I
Speaker 1: didn't get a sip of that wine. But I do.
Speaker 1: I do make my free throws. You do make your
Speaker 1: free throws. Can I ask you a question? I don't
Speaker 1: know how much time we have, um, but I really
Speaker 1: I have two Kevin Durant questions. Has Kevin Durant ever
Speaker 1: been the best player in basketball? And if so, win
Speaker 1: I've said no, I get I get into this discussion
Speaker 1: with Doug Gottlieb. Gottlieb is like gott Lady has been
Speaker 1: the best player for six years And oh my god,
Speaker 1: it's so stupid. And I said to him. No, Lebron
Speaker 1: has always been better than Kevin Durant. Last year, one
Speaker 1: could argue, with Lebron getting hurt not playing great in
Speaker 1: the playoffs, that Durant passed him, But then last year
Speaker 1: jann has passed him both. Yea, and now it's Jannest.
Speaker 1: All right, here's the next question, because here's the other thing.
Speaker 1: You know, not how much I care about ranking players.
Speaker 1: I feel like so Bill Simmons, who cares even more
Speaker 1: about ranking players than me and wrote one of the
Speaker 1: greatest books on basketball ever, and I tremendous respect for him.
Speaker 1: He keeps just casually saying Katie's one of the ten
Speaker 1: greatest players ever. I don't not only do I not
Speaker 1: think that's right. I don't think I don't think anyone
Speaker 1: actually thinks it if you name the names. So just
Speaker 1: with me here and stop me if there's anyone you
Speaker 1: think there's an argument Katie's better man Lebron, Kareem, Michael Magic,
Speaker 1: Wilt Russell. We're at six, already off the top, no question,
Speaker 1: Tim Duncan, Kobe Bryant, Larry Bird, we're at nine. To
Speaker 1: be top ten, you have to then be better than
Speaker 1: everyone else. I have not mentioned to Keene, I've not
Speaker 1: mentioned Shan, I have not mentioned doctor j To me,
Speaker 1: those are three more clearly. Now we're at twelve. And
Speaker 1: here's the other problem for Katie. Is it ridiculous for
Speaker 1: me to say he's going to end up the fourth
Speaker 1: best of his era Lebron, Jannis, Steph Durant, like the
Speaker 1: post war like. That's so to me, Katie's a hell
Speaker 1: of a lot closer to twenty all time than to ten.
Speaker 1: I didn't even mention Moses. I didn't mention Oscar or Jerry.
Speaker 1: Oscar and Jerry are tough, and they're so long ago.
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna act like I watched him. But I
Speaker 1: don't think any of those names jump out to you
Speaker 1: as oh that Nick, that's ridiculous. Brand's better than that.
Speaker 1: Um I well, I'd like to know who Bill Simmons
Speaker 1: is taking out of the top ten. Yeah, I just
Speaker 1: curious because at some point now Simmons isn't taking Larry
Speaker 1: Bird out of there, but nope, but at some point
Speaker 1: somebody's gonna make a case for themselves that Larry Bird
Speaker 1: drops out of the top ten all time just because
Speaker 1: he didn't have longevity. He did have the you know,
Speaker 1: the three MVPs, you know, but you might have Jannis.
Speaker 1: I think Yanni's gonna replace it, yeah right now. Like
Speaker 1: I think Larry is a strong nine, but if you're nine,
Speaker 1: you're holding on for dear life for that top ten.
Speaker 1: I have Larry right ahead of a team in Shack
Speaker 1: and Doctor J. What a Doctor J gets screwed because
Speaker 1: nobody cares about the AVA but he was so dominant.
Speaker 1: Go ahead, what about Steph Curry? If Golden State wins
Speaker 1: a title this year, to me, Steph Curry would would
Speaker 1: then does he move ahead? I know people love to
Speaker 1: say was never MVP of the Finals. I understand all that,
Speaker 1: But if he wins a title without KD, do we
Speaker 1: then put him higher on that list? Yeah? I think
Speaker 1: if he wins the title this year, he jumps Moses
Speaker 1: and Doctor J. And I think you start having a
Speaker 1: real conversation. It's so funny. You couldn't have two more
Speaker 1: dissimilar players of him and Shack. I've always been in
Speaker 1: the team slightly ahead of Shock guy. But then it's
Speaker 1: a real like Shack and Steph couldn't be, you know,
Speaker 1: more diametrically opposed players. But I think it's a real conversation,
Speaker 1: they would have the same number of rings. I'm not
Speaker 1: count the rings guy, they would have gotten them very differently.
Speaker 1: Shacks all time apex might be the highest. If you
Speaker 1: were to tell me one game, to save your life,
Speaker 1: you get any player in league history at his apex.
Speaker 1: I think I might take Shack over lebron Kareem and
Speaker 1: Mike like Apec Shack. I'm like, well, I'm getting forty
Speaker 1: and twenty and five like guaranteed. But he just didn't.
Speaker 1: Wasn't there long enough? And Steph, it has to if
Speaker 1: the goal is winning, it has to be accounted for.
Speaker 1: This guy's the greatest teammate this side of Tim Duncan.
Speaker 1: We've seen in thirty years that he welcomed Duran in
Speaker 1: that he is now saying I'll come off the bench
Speaker 1: when you need me. That like that stuff has to matter. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I still look at you know, there's certain guys that
Speaker 1: I look like, look at and say they're underrated, Like
Speaker 1: I think Elijahan is underrated. I mean he's my favorite,
Speaker 1: doesn't he He still leads in block shots all time?
Speaker 1: Of course he's up there and steals as well. Yeah,
Speaker 1: of course, and people don't. The thing is nobody knows.
Speaker 1: Dude went to the finals in eighty six. Nobody cares
Speaker 1: about that, lost to one of the greatest teams ever
Speaker 1: in the Celtics, and then the next year in the
Speaker 1: playoffs average, I don't have it in front of me,
Speaker 1: but in a series they lost in the first round
Speaker 1: average like thirty seven and seventeen with four blocks. It's
Speaker 1: the game they losing round one A team was and
Speaker 1: it has to matter that for everyone's like, oh, Michael
Speaker 1: would have won eight. I don't buy that. But there
Speaker 1: was an era of Barkley, Malone, Ewing Robinson, you know,
Speaker 1: because Duncan wasn't there yet. All Peyton Camp, your buddy,
Speaker 1: Reggie Miller. All these guys had two, not one and
Speaker 1: a half non Michael Jordan's championships eligible form young Shack
Speaker 1: and a Keem got him both. That's gotta matter, No.
Speaker 1: I A Dream is unbelievable, unbelievable and the greatest defensive
Speaker 1: player other than Bill Russell in NBA history. And having
Speaker 1: been fortunate to watch Doctor Jay and two ABA games,
Speaker 1: and I remember that he played against Denver and Denver
Speaker 1: had a great front line, but Doctor Jay was there's
Speaker 1: nobody'd like him like, but people can't see that, like
Speaker 1: you can see can see it, but oh my god.
Speaker 1: And he wasn't a great shooter, but he just he
Speaker 1: had this. You know, go back to the Portland series
Speaker 1: against Bill Walton. He was the best player. They should
Speaker 1: have given him the MVP in a losing effort. And
Speaker 1: here's the thing about two things about Doctor J. Brussard
Speaker 1: brings us up all the time. And he's right. When
Speaker 1: the AVA and the NBA both existed and the ABA
Speaker 1: and the NBA would play each other in exhibitions, the
Speaker 1: ABA won two out of three. Ever, so you could
Speaker 1: argue the ABA was tougher. He's the greatest player in
Speaker 1: ABA history. Then he got into the NBA and before
Speaker 1: he wins the title with Moses, he took the Sixers
Speaker 1: to three finals. So the Sixers to three like no
Speaker 1: Doctor J. This everyone just it felt like three years
Speaker 1: ago elevated Durant ahead of Doctor J. And it's just
Speaker 1: like pump the brakes a bit, a little, a little bit.
Speaker 1: I think we all thought, it's just unbelievable. To me,
Speaker 1: I was in person at Barclays to watch the greatest
Speaker 1: game Durant's ever played, forty eight seventeen and ten with
Speaker 1: the Harden on one leg, No Kyrie. Game five against Milwaukee,
Speaker 1: that's the last playoff game he won. That's tough. If
Speaker 1: I say, in the last twenty years, you got one
Speaker 1: guy to start franchise with and I remove Lebron. You're honest, Okay,
Speaker 1: do you think he's gonna be a top five player
Speaker 1: of all time? Well? The top five is hard. I
Speaker 1: mean top five is a tough one to crack because
Speaker 1: there's like, it's you know, it's the four most important
Speaker 1: transcendent players in league history Lebron, Cream, Magic and Michael
Speaker 1: and then you know, pick your pick, Wilt or Russell,
Speaker 1: whatever your flavor is. So I don't know if you
Speaker 1: want it, so you really only have I don't know.
Speaker 1: I don't know if he's gonna be top five all time.
Speaker 1: I do think he's gonna pass Kobe and Duncan and Bird.
Speaker 1: I think, I mean, I think he's gonna win this year.
Speaker 1: I mean, he's unbelievable. I think that for the next
Speaker 1: eight years in the NBA, it's Janis and Luca and
Speaker 1: it's it's twenty twenties version of Bird and Magic. It's
Speaker 1: not just because white black in East West. But I
Speaker 1: at Lucas. You know, I see you know. I'm the
Speaker 1: man that said the Clippers could never make the conference
Speaker 1: finals with Kway and Paul George, and that said the
Speaker 1: Nets could never make the conference finals. I'm also man
Speaker 1: said the Maps are gonna make the finals. You marked
Speaker 1: that down, Dan Patrick, this is Luca's O seven. L
Speaker 1: I know you've been, You've been big on him. They
Speaker 1: gotta survive this series. Oh it's over surviving the series.
Speaker 1: By the way, I'm I'm moving markets. The Vegas has
Speaker 1: underpriced the MAVs consistently since Luca has been back, and
Speaker 1: this morning I log in like, oh, Dallas plus a
Speaker 1: point and a half, Well, that seems worth a maximum.
Speaker 1: Wager mentioned it on the show showins I look, oh
Speaker 1: Dallas minus one of old twenty half point line movement.
Speaker 1: Was there any news? No, no, no, they saw your
Speaker 1: buddy Nick Wright putting a wager and they were like,
Speaker 1: oh boy, he's been killing us. On the Lucas. There
Speaker 1: was Dallas minus three yesterday. Dan made for a small
Speaker 1: midsized luxury sedan with that. I like that, and next
Speaker 1: meal on me, oh yeah, why you yeah, Oh boy,
Speaker 1: I've been I've been I've been looking get my best
Speaker 1: of wild Okay, I'll give I'll give your best to
Speaker 1: everyone on my show. Since you liked all of us equally,
Speaker 1: I'll talk to you later. All right, thank you, Byn.
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Speaker 1: Sports History Final results of the Pole question. PAULI has
Speaker 1: a quick NBA quiz and he is teasing me by
Speaker 1: saying he's got an unbelievable NFL question for tomorrow, maybe
Speaker 1: overselling it. I've got a draft related NFL question I
Speaker 1: never even really discussed before. Okay, it's a two parter
Speaker 1: and ll be on to Marshal. Okay, Wow, it's very,
Speaker 1: very tough to answer. Okay, all right, the quick NBA quiz.
Speaker 1: Unfortunately I don't have the results yet for the quiz.
Speaker 1: But how many NBA based off Jannis, how many NBA
Speaker 1: players in history before the age of twenty eight have
Speaker 1: two MVPs League MVPs and a Finals MVP and a
Speaker 1: Defensive Player of the Year Award? Oh? I think did
Speaker 1: Bill Russell have We're checking No, No, because I don't.
Speaker 1: I think Russell was AIRBRA MVP. Yeah, because you gotta
Speaker 1: be both. NUE VPS finals, MVP and defensive MVP, which
Speaker 1: is the time because Larry Bird would be there because
Speaker 1: Larry had the MVP. He doesn't have defensive. No, Elijuan
Speaker 1: Is has a defensive Yeah, but he didn't have titles. Yeah, MARV.
Speaker 1: I think Bill Russell was MVP like five times? Oh
Speaker 1: was he? I think Jordan had. I don't know if
Speaker 1: Jordan didn't have a title before he's twenty eighth, though
Speaker 1: I don't think. I'm almost sure he didn't. Yeah, probably so,
Speaker 1: but we're trying to find out if anyone's got Jeannie's
Speaker 1: resume at before twenty eight. Yeah, I thought I remember
Speaker 1: having a stat a while ago after he won the title,
Speaker 1: and then it was something about having two titles, two MVPs.
Speaker 1: Kareem had a title in Milwaukee. When did he win
Speaker 1: his first title? How old was he when he won
Speaker 1: his second title, his first in LA because he would
Speaker 1: have been MVP twice by then, Yeah, he is he.
Speaker 1: Kareem I think had four MVPs before, three MVPs before
Speaker 1: he's twenty eight. I think, yeah. I don't know if
Speaker 1: they did Defensive Player of the Year back then. I
Speaker 1: don't know if that was an award I don't think
Speaker 1: they did. He would have that seems like a guy
Speaker 1: would have won it as well. How many MVPs did
Speaker 1: Bill Russell win? You know, I'm gonna say five. Wow,
Speaker 1: And that's embarrassing that I'm wondering if he had won
Speaker 1: the MVP. It's you know, he never had good stats
Speaker 1: that like Wilt always had better numbers. And if it's
Speaker 1: regular season, you know Russell was playing for the better team. Yeah.
Speaker 1: See have multi time winners here with Kareem at six.
Speaker 1: Bill Russell's got five, Jordan's got five. Wow. Yeah, Paul,
Speaker 1: do you think guys like Bill Russell won the MVP
Speaker 1: because they voted after the finals were over? Because that
Speaker 1: was I'm guessing that's how he won is because I
Speaker 1: don't have that there was a finals MVP award. Well, no,
Speaker 1: Jerry West won a finals MVP when they lost to
Speaker 1: the Celtics and I think sixty nine. I think that's
Speaker 1: when it changed because I think in the early part
Speaker 1: of Bill Russell's career there was just league MVP. Yeah.
Speaker 1: I just you know, Bill Russell was, you know, this
Speaker 1: mythical figure like nobody knows that he wasn't a shooter,
Speaker 1: free throw shooter. He was just a winner and there's
Speaker 1: something to be said for that that he loved. He
Speaker 1: came alive in big games. He showed up in big games.
Speaker 1: But I mean, Wilt's regular season numbers were crazy. But
Speaker 1: what Jannis is doing should not be overlooked, underrated at
Speaker 1: age twenty seven and that willingness. I know I keep
Speaker 1: saying this, but it's just I've been around sports for
Speaker 1: over fifty years, and when you want to be great
Speaker 1: every single year and improve, and you could see Jannis
Speaker 1: like he wants to be great and he's a team
Speaker 1: player like he does. He came up big last year,
Speaker 1: made his free throws. I mean, he's a guy that
Speaker 1: I root for. I just I love the personality. I
Speaker 1: love that attitude that he has of wanting to be great.
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