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Speaker 1: Good morning, everybody, Happy Tuesday. Have an amazing show.

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Speaker 4: For everybody today. There it is Ryan Brow Show.

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Speaker 1: People Live for the Pound.

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Speaker 3: I have to say it now at this point, it's

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Speaker 3: a mantra. It's Religion's that's what people want.

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Speaker 4: We need to do one of those videos about our

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Speaker 4: self care room. Yeah, and in the morning we're journaling and.

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Speaker 3: Then our self care routine is not nearly andrewman Huberman

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Speaker 3: approve or waking up in the dark.

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Speaker 1: You know you're taking care of your kids.

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Speaker 3: I'm locked in I'm listening to clips from the Departed,

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Speaker 3: drinking diet coke. That's how I start every day, the

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Speaker 3: opening monologue that departed from Jack Nicholson.

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Speaker 4: Just love it all.

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Speaker 3: Right, Okay, let's talk about what we have on the

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Speaker 3: show today. We've got the group chat story. This is

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Speaker 3: just unbelievable broke yesterday. Literally, the National Security Advisor of

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Speaker 3: of the most prolific neo conservative journalists in the United States,

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Speaker 3: to a group chat where secret war plans to strike

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Speaker 3: Yemen are discussed, and you also see some dissent and

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Speaker 3: internal decision making inside the Trump administration. Possibly one of

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Speaker 3: the largest breaches in national security. And what do you

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Speaker 3: think Ryan decades in terms of accidental breach, it's not

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Speaker 3: saying it's like causing lang long standing damage, but in terms.

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Speaker 1: Of an own goal, I mean, this is as big

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Speaker 4: It's as comical as it's unbelievable.

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Speaker 3: And now they're circling the wagons around this guy, which

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Speaker 3: definitely tells us a lot.

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Speaker 1: We're gonna talk about Israel. Man, this is a really

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Speaker 1: just horrible story.

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Speaker 3: One of Ryan's colleagues over at Drop site was killed

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Speaker 3: by the IDF just yesterday. He's going to break down

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Speaker 3: all the details for that. We're going to talk about Soda.

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Speaker 3: That's a story that we did not get to yesterday,

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Speaker 3: but is again unbelievable, just showing a bunch of conservative

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Speaker 3: influencers online allegedly taking money to pump Big Soda in its

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Speaker 3: about twenty three and me this is a absolutely crazy story.

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Speaker 3: Twenty three meters the company which has some fifteen million

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Speaker 3: DNA samples filing for bankruptcy and its samples are basically

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Speaker 1: Then we got to talk about bid as people know.

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Speaker 3: I'm obsessed with these Chinese evs and the competition and

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Speaker 3: More and more, I'm just watching this social media revolution

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Speaker 3: happen where YouTubers and other car influencers are showing people

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Speaker 3: it's showing up now in BYD data. It also shows

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Speaker 3: us a lot in their profits, shows us a lot

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Speaker 3: And then finally, Jefferson Morley, one of the most pre

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Speaker 3: eminent journalists on the JFK assassination, he's going to join us.

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Speaker 3: He's had several days now to digest the JFK file,

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Speaker 4: So I'm really excited to tell you. And I was

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Speaker 4: talking to him last night, you know, and he thinks,

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Speaker 1: Right Well, that's you know, it's funny.

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Speaker 3: mister Shapiro, I do think it's still the Yeah, it

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Speaker 4: And people will wave away that history and say that

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Speaker 4: it's just a fairy tale about Camelot, But right, it's plausible.

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Speaker 3: There's great avidute. No one's saying the guy was Jesus Christ. Okay,

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Speaker 3: Actually, some of the best parts that the JFK files

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Speaker 3: shall we. This is just unbelievable. Like I said, Jeffrey

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Speaker 4: He wrote a cover story within six months, right to

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Speaker 3: This was all designed, you know, basically to push in

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Speaker 3: n That's not even me saying it. Ben Rhodes and

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Speaker 1: Some of us. Don't forget here.

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Speaker 3: Jeff of course he's also written all these stories since

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Speaker 3: the Suckers and Losers hoax.

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Speaker 1: If you will, he could believe it if you want to.

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Speaker 3: I don't know what to tell you if you do,

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Speaker 3: But if you want to believe that that's the person

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Speaker 3: who wrote it. He did some famous interviews there with Obama.

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Speaker 3: But Trump in particular hates Jeffrey Goldberg specifically because of

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Speaker 3: this whole suckers and losers stories. So there's really no

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Speaker 3: where he said a bunch of like that Trump called

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Speaker 3: some veterans, that's right.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, he said that the people were killed during role

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Speaker 3: allegedly said that according to John.

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Speaker 4: Kelly, and everybody involved says that he didn't say that.

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Speaker 3: Except for John Kelly, who was the chief of staff,

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Speaker 3: who also hates Trump and can't camp in and gets him,

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Speaker 3: so okay, and he decided not to go on the

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Speaker 1: So you can decide that.

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Speaker 4: Trump saying something crass about veteran tho.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean it's possible.

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Speaker 3: I'm not saying it's not possible, but it's one of

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Speaker 1: It would have compied.

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Speaker 3: Point is Trump hates them, Trump hats all right, So

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Speaker 3: there's really no good reason for a national security advisor

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Speaker 5: I'm thinking to myself, well, I'm glad that Mike Waltz

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Speaker 5: But the thing is just very flum mixing to me,

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Speaker 5: And you know, and the secondary defense, all due respect,

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Speaker 4: There are receipts for it, which is always the danger

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Speaker 3: So the receipts, as we said, let's go and put

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Speaker 3: these up there on the screen. You can't make this

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Speaker 3: shit up, you really can't. So Goldberg gets added to

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Speaker 3: this group chat. This group chat ends up having JD. Vans,

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Speaker 3: adds Jeffrey Goldberg. Here where the full discussion and debate

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Speaker 3: around bombing Yemen and the who theies is all taking place.

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Speaker 3: So the first message here is from JD. Vance at

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Speaker 3: Pete Hegsath, if you think we should do it, let's go.

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Speaker 3: the next one. Please, Pete hexav VP share, I fully

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Speaker 3: Sure the President is aware how inconsistent this is with

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Speaker 4: And it's it'd be one thing if he's like US

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Speaker 4: he's national security advice. He's you got to be good

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Speaker 4: I think his argument is a little bit uh silly.

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Speaker 3: But he didn't understand who we're talk about exactly. He's exactly,

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Speaker 4: If I were making the argument to not bomb Yemen,

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Speaker 4: Therefore we should not bomb. That's not the argument I

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Speaker 4: say it's such a silly argument. I understand tactically why

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Speaker 4: they're not driving this train. The United States and Israel

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Speaker 4: their plan has no intention of even working. Right their plan,

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Speaker 4: the missiles they send will blow up, they will hit buildings,

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Speaker 1: It's literally impossible.

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Speaker 3: Today was the blockade is still happening, that's right, And

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Speaker 1: We're not the first people to make.

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Speaker 4: An amazing quote from Biden when he was bombing Yemen,

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Speaker 4: Will they continue?

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Speaker 3: I mean, you know, in his dementia addled mind, he

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Speaker 1: Let's take a listen.

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Speaker 7: You're talking about a deceitful and highly discredited so called

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Speaker 7: journalists who's made a profession of pedaling hoaxes time and

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Speaker 7: time again, to include the I don't know the hoaxes

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Speaker 4: This is what he does.

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Speaker 7: I would love to comment on the Houthie campaign because

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Speaker 7: I've monitored very closely from the beginning, and you see,

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Speaker 7: and Yemen. President Trump said no more. We will re

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Speaker 1: So that's basically all he had. You can tell he's

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Speaker 4: You know, he's playing a Trump He's playing he's Remindingelbert Well.

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Speaker 3: Actually, that's a great point, is that on television he's like, Hey,

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Speaker 10: In our opinions, I don't know anything about it. I'm

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Speaker 10: Having to do with what, having to do with what?

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Speaker 10: Attack or the hood is, Well, it couldn't have been

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Speaker 4: That's what nobody in the media is talking about that.

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Speaker 4: Right, The strike didn't do the thing they said it was.

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Speaker 4: He's like, oh, it's going to create a deterrent, it's

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Speaker 4: of those things happened. All you did is share your

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Speaker 4: signal chat. That's Jeffrey Goldbrough. Let me tell you something,

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Speaker 4: Because that's what he should find of a journalist?

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Speaker 3: what better information that you could get?

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Speaker 3: Direct knowledge in the meeting, Yeah, plans reviewed by The

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Speaker 3: more information about that's what somebody who's actually good at

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Speaker 3: It's basically like even the way he's like, I'm not

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Speaker 3: going to disclose the strike package or whatever.

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Speaker 1: I'm like, why not?

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Speaker 8: Okay?

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Speaker 1: I mean, look, they literally brag about this ship on video.

442
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Speaker 1: They publish a video.

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Speaker 3: Showing the ship that or the yeah, the guided missile

444
00:20:46,680 --> 00:20:48,879
Speaker 3: destroyer that's launching the missis You think I can't go

445
00:20:48,920 --> 00:20:51,439
Speaker 3: on Wikipedia and see what kind of armaments they have

446
00:20:51,520 --> 00:20:51,840
Speaker 3: over there?

447
00:20:51,880 --> 00:20:55,000
Speaker 4: And if the Hohothies find out what brand of oh yeah, flying,

448
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Speaker 4: that's they're gonna be able to Oh right.

449
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Speaker 3: Yeah, I forgot that the Hoothies have a very sophisticated

450
00:21:00,040 --> 00:21:03,240
Speaker 3: anti missile detection, right, know, what are we doing here?

451
00:21:03,240 --> 00:21:04,520
Speaker 1: So Goldberg is an idiot.

452
00:21:04,280 --> 00:21:08,400
Speaker 3: And you're still he's just such an obvious, just like

453
00:21:09,000 --> 00:21:12,960
Speaker 3: just such an obvious, like CIA cutout. This is Ken

454
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Speaker 3: Klippenstein's been going off on this and everybody's praising Jeffrey.

455
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Speaker 4: Goldberg, but oh he didn't publish the war plans.

456
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Speaker 1: I'm like, what are you doing?

457
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Speaker 6: Bro?

458
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Speaker 3: You know when we had those Discord files, I got

459
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Speaker 3: my hands on those over here at breaking points. Yeah,

460
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Speaker 3: I didn't publish them like word for word until later,

461
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Speaker 3: but we did all the reporting on the inside, you know,

462
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Speaker 3: in the way that Glenn covered the Snowden documents. You

463
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Speaker 3: want to do it responsibly, Okay, you don't want anybody,

464
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Speaker 3: and even then I think you, being within your rights,

465
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Speaker 3: just upload it if you want to. I actually would

466
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Speaker 3: not criticize anybody for doing that. But you don't want

467
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Speaker 3: to take any of the hits about, oh, you're in

468
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Speaker 3: endangering national security or whatever.

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Speaker 1: So just what do you do, Ryan?

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Speaker 3: Whenever you publish classified information, you take it, you review it,

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Speaker 3: and then you publish whatever's newsworthy within it.

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Speaker 1: They're still going to scream that it's dangerous to national security.

473
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Speaker 3: But as long as you take some responsible you know

474
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Speaker 3: stuff here, I actually do think it's in the public

475
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Speaker 3: interest to tell us how exactly they went this down.

476
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Speaker 3: According to Goldberg, they had the specific names of the

477
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Speaker 3: people that they wanted to target. I would go, hey,

478
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Speaker 3: maybe you should publish those names, and then did they

479
00:22:08,640 --> 00:22:10,720
Speaker 3: kill them or not? Because if they didn't with a

480
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Speaker 3: two hundred dollars, that's pretty interesting, isn't it, I'll tell

481
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Speaker 3: us a lot about our It's a good chance they didn't,

482
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Speaker 3: because there's a very good chance that they do exactly.

483
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Speaker 3: So that's just a lot to say there about journalism itself.

484
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Speaker 3: Our own Emily cracked the case, she's the first person

485
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Speaker 3: to do so about how exactly Jeffrey Goldberg got into

486
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Speaker 3: this group chat in the first place.

487
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Speaker 1: Let's put her tweet up here on the screen quote.

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Speaker 3: My soft theory is that Walts thought he was adding

489
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Speaker 3: the US Trade Representative Jamison Greer, who had the name

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Speaker 3: JG in his context, and that has now been confirmed

491
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Speaker 3: by the New York Post.

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Speaker 1: So let me explain.

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Speaker 3: The US Trade Representative is a member of the National

494
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Speaker 3: Security Council. It's called the Principals Committee. It's everybody but

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Speaker 3: the President of the United States. Mike was spelled wrong,

496
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Speaker 3: which yeah, which, by the way, Mike well spelled wrong.

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Speaker 1: That's a whole other level.

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Speaker 3: Thank you for reminding me of that. We're dealing with

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Speaker 3: the best of the brise here, folks.

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Speaker 1: So JG.

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00:23:06,119 --> 00:23:10,000
Speaker 3: He clearly in his phone has Jamison Greer, who is

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Speaker 3: the US Trade Representative, saved as JG. He also, according

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Speaker 3: to Jeffrey Goldberg, recently got into contact with Jeffrey Goldberg. Now,

504
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Speaker 3: why would you recently get into contact with Jeffrey Goldberg.

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Speaker 3: You're Neil Kahn, who is now mister america first National

506
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Speaker 3: Security Advisor, and you're now having the phone number of

507
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Speaker 3: mister Goldberg. That's interesting, and so you accidentally add said

508
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Speaker 3: JG to the group chat.

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Speaker 1: Nobody checks.

510
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Speaker 3: You've got Marco Ruey, got the Secretary of State, got

511
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Speaker 3: the entire national security and you got Scott Best, and

512
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Speaker 3: you got Steve Whitkoff in there.

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Speaker 1: I mean, this is the.

514
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Speaker 3: Highest highest level of national security decision making, and the

515
00:23:45,320 --> 00:23:50,359
Speaker 3: level of incompetence here from Waltz is again just unbelievable,

516
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Speaker 3: especially when you are firing tens of thousands of people

517
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Speaker 3: under the assumption that they're dead weight. I'm looking at

518
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Speaker 3: the deadest weight I've ever seen here at the top

519
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Speaker 3: of the Principles Committee.

520
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Speaker 1: Not to mention.

521
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Speaker 3: Somebody who is genuinely stupid, not just for doing this,

522
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Speaker 3: but listen to his messages. Mike Wallace sitting there, Like

523
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Speaker 3: I said, he's like repeating some religious mantra about freedom

524
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Speaker 3: of navigation. This guy doesn't have a single original thought is.

525
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Speaker 4: In his entire head. It's crazy to watch, And there's

526
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Speaker 4: a lot of people kind of pearl clutching about the

527
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Speaker 4: nature of the security breach. But it turns out there

528
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Speaker 4: may actually have been like an actual breach. So Witkough,

529
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Speaker 4: who is a real estate developer. Yes, so this guy

530
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Speaker 4: not a guy that you can imagine has even two

531
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Speaker 4: factor on his phone, you know, let alone you know,

532
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Speaker 4: his phone on lockdown mode or taking the types of

533
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Speaker 4: op SEC that you would need to be doing as

534
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Speaker 4: somebody in his position and power. He was in Moscow

535
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Speaker 4: when he got added to this signal check right, So

536
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Speaker 4: if the Russians were anywhere near him hitting him with

537
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Speaker 4: one of those little you know, there's like I was

538
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Speaker 4: in Doha ones and somebody's going around with the backpack

539
00:25:07,600 --> 00:25:09,119
Speaker 4: and they're like, oh, there's one of those backpacks that

540
00:25:09,160 --> 00:25:12,720
Speaker 4: like gobbles up that data and I didn't. When I

541
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Speaker 4: went to do I didn't bring my phone smart, I

542
00:25:15,520 --> 00:25:17,639
Speaker 4: brought a burner phone and left my laptop at home.

543
00:25:17,720 --> 00:25:20,720
Speaker 4: I'm not because just being in proximity to some of

544
00:25:20,760 --> 00:25:23,359
Speaker 4: this stuff that you don't know. Plus, Pegasus can just

545
00:25:23,760 --> 00:25:25,200
Speaker 4: drop on all your phone number.

546
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Speaker 1: They don't have anything drops drop on.

547
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Speaker 3: You don't even have to click the link and then

548
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Speaker 3: they're in and then they can read everything you read.

549
00:25:31,000 --> 00:25:34,920
Speaker 4: So, yes, signal is secure from the NSA from the outside,

550
00:25:34,440 --> 00:25:38,520
Speaker 4: but if they're on your phone, so did they get in?

551
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Speaker 4: I don't know, like they legitimately actually might have gotten in.

552
00:25:43,720 --> 00:25:47,280
Speaker 4: It would have to have been good spycraft on the

553
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Speaker 4: part of the Russians to like go after Witcough immediately.

554
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Speaker 3: But if they did, they then they got it. Wouldn't

555
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Speaker 3: you assume that they're doing You would think, you would think.

556
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Speaker 3: And by the way, this is another thing. This is

557
00:25:56,320 --> 00:25:58,600
Speaker 3: all on their personal devices. Just so everybody knows, you're

558
00:25:58,640 --> 00:26:00,840
Speaker 3: not even allowed to have signal. It's not allowed. You

559
00:26:00,880 --> 00:26:03,199
Speaker 3: can't download signal on your government phone. I confirmed this

560
00:26:03,240 --> 00:26:06,360
Speaker 3: with multiple people who have had top secret security clearances,

561
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Speaker 3: and I was like, Hey, tell me how this is

562
00:26:07,880 --> 00:26:11,080
Speaker 3: all supposed to work, and they're like, dude, if I was,

563
00:26:11,440 --> 00:26:13,920
Speaker 3: you know, I remember I covered the Hillary email scandal

564
00:26:14,000 --> 00:26:17,240
Speaker 3: back in twenty sixteen. I actually wrote a story about

565
00:26:17,280 --> 00:26:21,040
Speaker 3: a Navy sailor who accidentally had shared photos when he

566
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Speaker 3: was on a nuclear submarine. He didn't even reveal any

567
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Speaker 3: class fighting. They threw his ass literally in the brig

568
00:26:26,520 --> 00:26:29,720
Speaker 3: he was. He was prosecuted, he served time in the brig.

569
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Speaker 3: So the people I spoke to were like, yeah, if

570
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Speaker 3: I was at whatever E three in the Navy and

571
00:26:35,760 --> 00:26:39,439
Speaker 3: I did this, I would be prosecuted. And these guys

572
00:26:39,480 --> 00:26:42,240
Speaker 3: are doing it at the highest level of government and

573
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Speaker 3: not to and then even if you're going to do it,

574
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Speaker 3: be subtle about it. Okay, let's also be honest as

575
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Speaker 3: you and I know half the government's run on signal

576
00:26:48,760 --> 00:26:51,119
Speaker 3: why to get around the Freedom of Information Act and

577
00:26:51,160 --> 00:26:52,400
Speaker 3: the Presidential of Sports.

578
00:26:52,600 --> 00:26:53,920
Speaker 1: It is, let's be honest. It's more convenient.

579
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Speaker 3: I got everybody going to a stripe, right yeah, exactly

580
00:26:56,560 --> 00:27:00,000
Speaker 3: who's going to skif they it's the weekend.

581
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Speaker 4: Right yeah?

582
00:27:00,320 --> 00:27:03,359
Speaker 3: Send email on your It's called high side. That's how

583
00:27:03,400 --> 00:27:03,760
Speaker 3: it works.

584
00:27:03,800 --> 00:27:04,280
Speaker 1: The high side.

585
00:27:04,320 --> 00:27:06,639
Speaker 3: You can only access we can only access it inside

586
00:27:06,680 --> 00:27:08,639
Speaker 3: of a skiff. Probably giving away too much.

587
00:27:08,520 --> 00:27:09,720
Speaker 4: Here whatever, and I'm here.

588
00:27:09,880 --> 00:27:11,360
Speaker 1: I don't have a security clearer.

589
00:27:11,359 --> 00:27:13,320
Speaker 3: It's it's one of those where and people do have

590
00:27:13,320 --> 00:27:15,560
Speaker 3: a right to know about how this stuff actually works

591
00:27:15,560 --> 00:27:17,440
Speaker 3: in the backside. So the reason why they do it

592
00:27:17,480 --> 00:27:19,640
Speaker 3: is because, like you said, it's more convenient. It's got

593
00:27:19,680 --> 00:27:23,040
Speaker 3: disappearing messages, et cetera. But you know the downside of

594
00:27:23,080 --> 00:27:26,159
Speaker 3: that is, as usual, what what does the hacker do

595
00:27:26,560 --> 00:27:30,679
Speaker 3: whenever the system is impenetrable, you do you find the

596
00:27:30,720 --> 00:27:31,720
Speaker 3: weakest Like and.

597
00:27:31,760 --> 00:27:33,600
Speaker 4: Here he didn't mean have to find anything.

598
00:27:33,640 --> 00:27:37,040
Speaker 3: He just let his own stupidity and incompetence give all

599
00:27:37,160 --> 00:27:37,840
Speaker 3: this away.

600
00:27:37,600 --> 00:27:41,359
Speaker 4: And the savage the savvy cybersecurity guys will always say

601
00:27:42,040 --> 00:27:45,119
Speaker 4: that the problem with the system is when it becomes

602
00:27:45,200 --> 00:27:48,439
Speaker 4: too inconvenient for users. Yes, that's right, and you know,

603
00:27:48,520 --> 00:27:51,200
Speaker 4: so you'll have like, you know, the two factors. People

604
00:27:51,240 --> 00:27:54,280
Speaker 4: have figured that out, authenticator codes. People are basically figuring

605
00:27:54,280 --> 00:27:55,960
Speaker 4: that out. But back in the day when you used

606
00:27:55,960 --> 00:27:58,800
Speaker 4: to have like you know, PGP and downloading keys and

607
00:27:58,840 --> 00:28:03,840
Speaker 4: uploading this, and it became so cumbersome that people basically

608
00:28:03,840 --> 00:28:06,359
Speaker 4: stopped using it and went back to insecure channels. So

609
00:28:06,400 --> 00:28:08,399
Speaker 4: the government has these you have to be on a

610
00:28:08,440 --> 00:28:11,080
Speaker 4: particular laptop or that you have to be you have

611
00:28:11,080 --> 00:28:13,240
Speaker 4: to leave your cell phone and go into a room

612
00:28:13,359 --> 00:28:16,239
Speaker 4: that has lead walls around it. And people are like, well,

613
00:28:16,280 --> 00:28:16,919
Speaker 4: I can't do that.

614
00:28:17,680 --> 00:28:18,120
Speaker 1: I'm busy.

615
00:28:18,160 --> 00:28:20,760
Speaker 4: I like to do war on a weekend and I'm

616
00:28:20,800 --> 00:28:24,000
Speaker 4: going to the Eastern Shore rightly, so sorry, I'm just

617
00:28:24,000 --> 00:28:24,959
Speaker 4: going to do it on signal.

618
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Speaker 11: Right.

619
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Speaker 3: Won't somebody think about Mike Wallas in his ability to

620
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Speaker 3: go to his kid's birthday party. I mean, you know,

621
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Speaker 3: somebody's got to speak up for those.

622
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Speaker 4: Folks, not like the war can wait for Monday.

623
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Speaker 1: It's especially ironic.

624
00:28:36,560 --> 00:28:37,840
Speaker 3: Look, you know, I don't have to be a shit

625
00:28:37,880 --> 00:28:40,160
Speaker 3: lib to say this, Like, didn't you we not forget

626
00:28:40,200 --> 00:28:41,560
Speaker 3: about the whole butter emails thing?

627
00:28:41,640 --> 00:28:44,760
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean the emails presidential email singgne was bad.

628
00:28:44,920 --> 00:28:45,880
Speaker 4: It was bad.

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Speaker 1: I wrote about it.

630
00:28:46,720 --> 00:28:48,480
Speaker 3: He wrote about it too. Let's go and put this

631
00:28:48,520 --> 00:28:51,280
Speaker 3: up there on the screen. Here's a tweet from mister Wallace.

632
00:28:51,360 --> 00:28:55,160
Speaker 3: June twelve, twenty twenty three. Biden, sitting National Security advisor,

633
00:28:55,280 --> 00:28:57,880
Speaker 3: sent top secret messages to Hillary.

634
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Speaker 1: Clinton's private account. What did the DOJ do?

635
00:29:00,240 --> 00:29:00,360
Speaker 9: It?

636
00:29:00,680 --> 00:29:02,040
Speaker 1: Not a damn thing?

637
00:29:02,280 --> 00:29:05,520
Speaker 3: Oh okay, let's go to the next one. It's from

638
00:29:05,760 --> 00:29:09,920
Speaker 3: Telsea Gabbard, Director of National Intelligence. Any unauthorized release of

639
00:29:09,920 --> 00:29:11,960
Speaker 3: classwide information is a violation of law.

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00:29:12,120 --> 00:29:13,240
Speaker 1: It will be traded as such.

641
00:29:13,480 --> 00:29:15,200
Speaker 4: I look forward to that, exactly.

642
00:29:15,800 --> 00:29:18,800
Speaker 1: I look forward to that. A nine. This is even better.

643
00:29:19,000 --> 00:29:21,360
Speaker 3: So inside the Pentagon, there's a witch hunt right now

644
00:29:21,800 --> 00:29:25,000
Speaker 3: for people who are leaking class wide information. Nancy Yusef

645
00:29:25,080 --> 00:29:27,360
Speaker 3: covers the Pentagon for The Wall Street Journal's Great Reporter.

646
00:29:27,600 --> 00:29:29,360
Speaker 3: She says, this seems like a good time to point

647
00:29:29,400 --> 00:29:31,320
Speaker 3: out DD just released a memo saying they were going

648
00:29:31,400 --> 00:29:37,160
Speaker 3: to use polygraphs to find unauthorized disclosures. And then finally,

649
00:29:37,480 --> 00:29:40,680
Speaker 3: of course, what do we have right now? Press Secretary

650
00:29:41,040 --> 00:29:44,240
Speaker 3: Caroline Levitt releases a statement as President Trump said the

651
00:29:44,280 --> 00:29:46,440
Speaker 3: attacks on the Hoothy has been highly successful and effective.

652
00:29:46,560 --> 00:29:48,880
Speaker 3: President Trump continues to at the utmost confidence is national

653
00:29:48,880 --> 00:29:53,200
Speaker 3: security team, including National Security Advisor Mike Wallace. Now does

654
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Speaker 3: that mean that he is golden?

655
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Speaker 1: Is he safe?

656
00:29:56,480 --> 00:29:56,880
Speaker 4: I don't know.

657
00:29:56,920 --> 00:29:58,200
Speaker 1: I wouldn't go that far yet.

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Speaker 3: There's a lot of discussion right now here in watch

659
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Speaker 3: the group chats, the actual group chats, the secure ones

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Speaker 3: that we're not in are flying. From what I'm told,

661
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Speaker 3: people inside the White House are absolutely furious with Mike

662
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Speaker 3: walls but they may And what I'm watching right now

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Speaker 3: is a downplaying of this by Maga Fox News is

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Speaker 3: Jesse Waters is defending him, being like, yeah, it's bad,

665
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Speaker 3: it was a mistake. It won't happen again. But it's

666
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Speaker 3: not like having a private email server or classified documents

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Speaker 3: next to your corvette in your garage.

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Speaker 1: I'm like, no, dude, it's kind of this.

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Speaker 4: It's kind of way worse.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's it's If anything, it might be worse.

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Speaker 4: If they found war plans and Hillary's email Are you

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Speaker 4: kidding right?

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Speaker 3: It was just like appointments with like like ambassadors or whatever.

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Speaker 8: Yeah.

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Speaker 4: And just so people understand the context here of this

676
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Speaker 4: internal battle and why it's playing out. Mike Waltz is

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Speaker 4: the what do you call the anti America First coalition. Yes,

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Speaker 4: he's in the faction of the administration that is more hawkish,

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Speaker 4: more pro war yep than the America First section that

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Speaker 4: is organized around say Pete Hegeth and Jamie Vance, who

681
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Speaker 4: are more skeptical of war.

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Speaker 8: Yes.

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Speaker 4: And so that's why you're going to see, you know,

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Speaker 4: by an effort to weaponize this in a way that

685
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Speaker 4: in the past you wouldn't even had to weaponize it.

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Speaker 4: Like you said, the guy would just resign.

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Speaker 3: Yes, ass people who screw up like this understand last time.

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Speaker 4: Hey, they're gonna get charged.

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Speaker 3: This is even just this has take the ideology out

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Speaker 3: of all of this. In Washington, there is a creed.

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Speaker 3: The creed is the staffer is never the story. And

692
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Speaker 3: when the stafford becomes a story, you have violated the

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Speaker 3: sacred creed. So here you have a staffer who is

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Speaker 3: breach national security classified information strike one that's immediately a

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Speaker 3: fireable sense. Two, done something so stupid you now create

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Speaker 3: a problem for your boss, okay, and then three you're

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Speaker 3: actually caught having been in communication and obviously leaking to

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Speaker 3: a reporter who your boss hates.

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Speaker 1: Any one of those three is completely.

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Speaker 4: A fire And I tweeted this yesterday, but a source

701
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Speaker 4: who's familiar with what's going on here inside the administration

702
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Speaker 4: said that that is the running understanding that he was

703
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Speaker 4: in regular communication with Goldberg, and that Goldberg then so

704
00:32:15,240 --> 00:32:17,640
Speaker 4: then people are a, well, why would Goldberg out him?

705
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Speaker 4: This is what a journalist does. Yeah, it's good story,

706
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Speaker 4: a good story, and he has other sources. Yeah, that's right,

707
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Speaker 4: he doesn't need you solo at this point. He done

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Speaker 4: something so dumb he would assume that it would be

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Speaker 4: dumb enough to keep him around so he can just

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Speaker 4: cultivate the next nation.

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Speaker 3: And also he had no choice. Also, yeah, what's he

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Speaker 3: going to not report this? I agree, you have to

713
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Speaker 3: do it. If you have it, you got to do it. Okay,

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Speaker 3: let's get over today. Israel block Ryan, tell us what's

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Speaker 3: going on.

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Speaker 4: Israeli military killed two journalists yesterday and what were both

717
00:32:46,960 --> 00:32:51,120
Speaker 4: deliberate targeted strikes? One Mac Budmontsor was killed with his

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Speaker 4: family in his home. The other, Hasam Shabbat, was killed

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Speaker 4: while driving in his car. Hosam Shabbat was a contributor

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Speaker 4: for drops Site. He had been in communication with Sharif

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Speaker 4: A Del Cadus, his editor at drop Site, within just

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Speaker 4: hours of having been assassinated, going over edits for his

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Speaker 4: latest story, which was which we published yesterday afternoon. We

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Speaker 4: can put this up on the screen and we'll have

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Speaker 4: Sharif on the program tomorrow to talk more about Hossam's

726
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Speaker 4: life and death. Sharif is joining Democracy now where he

727
00:33:26,600 --> 00:33:29,960
Speaker 4: previously worked as as a correspondent, so you can check

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Speaker 4: out his interview, which should be up later this morning.

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Speaker 3: We'll also have him on tomorrow. Hosam is from Northern

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Speaker 3: Gaza and.

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Speaker 4: Was only twenty three when he was assassinated. If you remember,

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Speaker 4: northern Gaza suffered the worst of the genocidal assault by

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Speaker 4: Israel throughout the war. It was the first place that

734
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Speaker 4: where people were displaced down to the south, and Shabbat

735
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Speaker 4: was one of the very few journalists who both refused

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Speaker 4: to leave and refused until yesterday to die so that

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Speaker 4: he could bear witness to the ongoing assault on his people.

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Speaker 4: There we can put up this element. There's been a

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Speaker 4: lot of images that have been going around of Hosam.

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Speaker 4: This is the moment when the ceasefire was you know,

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Speaker 4: finally implemented back in January and the feeling of euphoria

742
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Speaker 4: to have survived this genocidal assault. Here is another video

743
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Speaker 4: that's that's been going around, which is a young girl

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Speaker 4: stops him because you know, he had become a true

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Speaker 4: hero to so many throughout Gaza for his relentless willingness

746
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Speaker 4: to you know, run toward the fire to report what

747
00:34:53,719 --> 00:34:55,239
Speaker 4: was what was going on. And so here is this

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Speaker 4: young girl who's telling him that she had heard that

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Speaker 4: he had been martyred, uh and it was devastating to

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Speaker 4: her that hope, hope had drained from her when she

751
00:35:06,680 --> 00:35:08,600
Speaker 4: had heard that rumor, because you know, there would be

752
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Speaker 4: a lot of rumors that he had been killed because

753
00:35:10,640 --> 00:35:13,799
Speaker 4: he was put on a literal hit list by the

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Speaker 4: IDF before before he was finally assassinated for her, so

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Speaker 4: when she saw him in person to realize that he

756
00:35:24,160 --> 00:35:27,640
Speaker 4: was he was still there, still still steadfast, still reporting.

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Speaker 4: She was telling him it was giving her hope that

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Speaker 4: she could pursue her dream of becoming a journalist so

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Speaker 4: she could speak the truth. And underneath it all is

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Speaker 4: this this poignant belief that if the world only understood

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Speaker 4: what was happening in Gaza, that the world, whatever the

762
00:35:48,320 --> 00:35:53,920
Speaker 4: world is, that the world would step in, that the

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Speaker 4: that there's that there's no way that we live in

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Speaker 4: a on a planet that would allow this to happen.

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Speaker 4: That the only explanation, the only way that you can

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Speaker 4: rationalize the decency of humanity is that people just don't know.

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Speaker 4: And so therefore you go out and you risk your

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Speaker 4: life to make sure that people know, and then people

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Speaker 4: will step in and say this is wrong, this has

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Speaker 4: to stop. I think a lot of people, Hosam, I

771
00:36:22,480 --> 00:36:27,439
Speaker 4: think towards the end have come to the conclusion that

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Speaker 4: that may not be true, that the world does knows,

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Speaker 4: nobody's going to stop it.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, in your discussions with him, was he aware that

775
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Speaker 3: he was going to be targeted by these Oh yes military?

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Speaker 4: Oh yes, they publicly they publicly announced that they intended

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00:36:43,600 --> 00:36:46,520
Speaker 4: to target him in five other journalists. And what's the

778
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Speaker 4: just they were saying that the same justification that they

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Speaker 4: use that he's a terrorist, right, which is like he's

780
00:36:54,520 --> 00:36:57,640
Speaker 4: twenty three years old. He's been live streaming his life

781
00:36:57,680 --> 00:37:00,960
Speaker 4: since October seventh. When did he have time to do

782
00:37:01,000 --> 00:37:02,399
Speaker 4: this secret terrorism? Yeah?

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Speaker 3: So yesterday they say over six months ago he was

784
00:37:05,200 --> 00:37:08,239
Speaker 3: roll within Hamas, was exposed to us here on x

785
00:37:08,400 --> 00:37:10,799
Speaker 3: he carried out all of his actions under the cover

786
00:37:11,160 --> 00:37:13,880
Speaker 3: as an al Jazeer journalist, and yesterday he was eliminated

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Speaker 3: by the IDF. Don't let the press vest confuse you.

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00:37:16,520 --> 00:37:19,400
Speaker 3: He was a terrorist. Here's a document published in October

789
00:37:19,440 --> 00:37:24,440
Speaker 3: of twenty twenty four proving his participation in.

790
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Speaker 4: Hamas utter absurdity.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, what is the just get.

792
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Speaker 4: What is they just they just make stuff up? Yeah,

793
00:37:30,760 --> 00:37:34,440
Speaker 4: they just they constantly make things up. You know with

794
00:37:34,560 --> 00:37:37,399
Speaker 4: other journalists they've they've said that they were terrorists when

795
00:37:37,400 --> 00:37:42,200
Speaker 4: they were seven years old. None of it, none of

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00:37:42,200 --> 00:37:44,680
Speaker 4: it makes any sense. And it doesn't it doesn't have

797
00:37:44,719 --> 00:37:45,279
Speaker 4: to make sense.

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Speaker 3: Like the.

799
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Speaker 4: Any any journalist who gets any level of international attention

800
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Speaker 4: is a target. And I say, what, like if you

801
00:38:00,239 --> 00:38:02,520
Speaker 4: they have actually tried to put up some evidence and

802
00:38:02,560 --> 00:38:04,240
Speaker 4: it just all falls apart.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, my friend Trey Yanks over at Fox News ironically

804
00:38:09,040 --> 00:38:12,520
Speaker 3: has been well, let's say what the only American mainstream

805
00:38:12,560 --> 00:38:16,560
Speaker 3: vidia voice who's been speaking out for pals. Fox News reporter, Yes,

806
00:38:16,600 --> 00:38:20,680
Speaker 3: he deserves old friend Redding consistently yeah, well there go.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, we cover the White House White House together for him,

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00:38:23,560 --> 00:38:25,239
Speaker 4: and he very consistently speaks out.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, he said, you know, Palestinian journalist Mohammed Matsur and

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00:38:28,320 --> 00:38:31,120
Speaker 3: Hassam Shabbat were killed by Israel today in Gaza. One

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Speaker 3: hundred and twenty four journalists were killed around the world

812
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Speaker 3: in twenty twenty four, two thirds of them were Palestinian.

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Speaker 3: As he says, journalists must be protected amid war. You know, look,

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Speaker 3: he has very little power, he can't really do anything

815
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Speaker 3: about it. But people need to understand he's a Jerusalem

816
00:38:45,360 --> 00:38:47,840
Speaker 3: based correspondent for Fox News. He is really military, can

817
00:38:47,880 --> 00:38:50,480
Speaker 3: kick his ass out anytime that they want or not

818
00:38:50,560 --> 00:38:53,520
Speaker 3: invite him on their little press tours inside of Gaza.

819
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Speaker 3: So he's doing this at a literal risk to his

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Speaker 3: life inside of Israel, considering the you know, like the

821
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Speaker 3: the animosity and the way that you'll have governments ancstoring

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Speaker 3: violence if they want to against any American who's inside

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Speaker 3: of the country and basically just hoping, you know, there's

824
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Speaker 3: enough of us out here in the you know, world

825
00:39:11,800 --> 00:39:14,399
Speaker 3: superpower who might speak up for him or for.

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Speaker 4: People to like and including twenty twenty three and also

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Speaker 4: twenty twenty five. You're now at two hundred and eight

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Speaker 4: media workers, which includes camera people and others who have

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Speaker 4: been killed in Gaza. Yeah, since since since the start

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Speaker 4: of the war. And yes, Trey has been criticized every

831
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Speaker 4: time he stands up, and he continues to do it.

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Speaker 4: I wish that more journalists would would do so because

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Speaker 4: israel Is feels a deep sense of impunity, but not

834
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Speaker 4: a complete and total sense of impunity. And so their

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Speaker 4: ability to kill more than two hundred members of the

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Speaker 4: media over the past year and a half plus and

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Speaker 4: only get criticism from US here and from Trey, has

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Speaker 4: emboldened them to continue to do it and to put

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Speaker 4: people on a list and say we're going to kill them,

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Speaker 4: to then kill them, and then to announce that they

841
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Speaker 4: killed them and say that they did it because they're terrorists.

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Speaker 3: At the very same time, Ryan, we got this from

843
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Speaker 3: the Financial Times, curious for what your reaction is. Quote

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Speaker 3: Israel Ready, let's put it up there on the screen.

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Speaker 3: Israel Ready's plans for the occupation of Gaza.

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Speaker 1: So what is military like?

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Speaker 3: What is distinctive of this as opposed to previous quote occupations?

848
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Speaker 3: Is this like settlement or is this you know, they've

849
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Speaker 3: had invasion, they've had troops on the ground, obviously, I

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Speaker 3: forget the name of the corridor that they've occupied. What

851
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Speaker 3: makes this like a next step in the military campaign.

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Speaker 4: So what they are saying is they're going to clear

853
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Speaker 4: out huge areas of it and keep everybody in the

854
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Speaker 4: sell Malwassee corridor, which would cannot hold the number of

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Speaker 4: people that they're saying would fit in there. They have,

856
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Speaker 4: but they have also created a basically department of Ethnic cleansing,

857
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Speaker 4: a Ministry of Ethnic Cleansing that is going to facilitate

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Speaker 4: this is what the agency says it's going to do,

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Speaker 4: facilitate the removal of Palestinians from Gaza. So the idea

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Speaker 4: would be that maybe you can't fit all of the

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Speaker 4: Palestinians who are there now, well, they're going to continue

862
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Speaker 4: killing them for some period of time. They're going to

863
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Speaker 4: continue dying of malnourishment. You know, there has been no

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Speaker 4: food that has gotten in since March second, and then

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Speaker 4: they're going to keep the rest cramped in here Now,

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Speaker 4: this does not account for how they plan on eliminating Hamas,

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Speaker 4: which they failed to do after you know, a year

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Speaker 4: and a half long campaign. It doesn't account for the tunnels,

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Speaker 4: it doesn't account for the lack of kind of reservists

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Speaker 4: and manpower.

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Speaker 12: On which they are having major problems with, and it

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Speaker 12: doesn't account for ammunition, like they fired off so much,

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Speaker 12: you know it, so many tank shells and so many

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Speaker 12: one five millimeter shells in this genocide so far that

875
00:42:08,360 --> 00:42:08,960
Speaker 12: they're running.

876
00:42:09,920 --> 00:42:12,280
Speaker 4: You know, they've been able to replenish in the meantime,

877
00:42:12,320 --> 00:42:16,920
Speaker 4: but our production capacity is not unlimited, and they're firing

878
00:42:16,960 --> 00:42:18,640
Speaker 4: it off at a pace that is higher than we

879
00:42:18,680 --> 00:42:21,480
Speaker 4: can produce and that Pakistan and anybody else can secretly

880
00:42:21,520 --> 00:42:27,800
Speaker 4: produce for them. So it's it's a sketch, it's an idea,

881
00:42:28,600 --> 00:42:32,240
Speaker 4: and it's closer to a plan than the Israeli government

882
00:42:32,239 --> 00:42:35,400
Speaker 4: has put out so far, which is previously has been

883
00:42:35,560 --> 00:42:39,759
Speaker 4: zero plan, just going to continue this until American tells

884
00:42:39,840 --> 00:42:44,080
Speaker 4: them to stop. But it has so many you know,

885
00:42:44,200 --> 00:42:47,480
Speaker 4: gaping holes in it that the only way you could

886
00:42:47,520 --> 00:42:52,480
Speaker 4: see it be successful is with a you know, massive

887
00:42:52,560 --> 00:42:57,320
Speaker 4: scale depopulation of the of the area, which obviously is

888
00:42:57,440 --> 00:43:00,200
Speaker 4: the vision, but whether or not they can achieve that

889
00:43:00,800 --> 00:43:01,600
Speaker 4: remains to be seen.

890
00:43:01,840 --> 00:43:03,920
Speaker 3: Why don't you tell us now about this uh no

891
00:43:04,120 --> 00:43:05,640
Speaker 3: other Land situation?

892
00:43:06,520 --> 00:43:08,880
Speaker 4: Yeah, my god, yeah, put this, put this next element

893
00:43:08,960 --> 00:43:13,520
Speaker 4: up and and this news came out within you know,

894
00:43:13,640 --> 00:43:15,560
Speaker 4: it felt like an hour or two? Was that within

895
00:43:15,640 --> 00:43:21,640
Speaker 4: hours of a learning that our our drops dropsie colleague

896
00:43:21,640 --> 00:43:24,680
Speaker 4: and m kills So Hamden Ballal, the co director of

897
00:43:25,160 --> 00:43:29,000
Speaker 4: No Other Land, as reported by Yuvale Abraham, his his

898
00:43:29,400 --> 00:43:32,719
Speaker 4: co director was lynched by a group of settlers. Now

899
00:43:33,880 --> 00:43:37,080
Speaker 4: it appears that they did not kill him, beat him,

900
00:43:37,719 --> 00:43:41,000
Speaker 4: beat him ruthlessly. He was able to get into an ambulance.

901
00:43:41,520 --> 00:43:44,840
Speaker 4: The IDF then or some security force has stopped the

902
00:43:44,880 --> 00:43:50,120
Speaker 4: ambulance and dragged him out and took him to detention.

903
00:43:50,360 --> 00:43:55,680
Speaker 4: And as often happens, the victim of this attack becomes

904
00:43:55,719 --> 00:44:01,320
Speaker 4: the one that then literally gets interrogated and charged with

905
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Speaker 4: something related to the attack.

906
00:44:04,160 --> 00:44:06,080
Speaker 3: So can we put the image of him up on

907
00:44:06,160 --> 00:44:08,800
Speaker 3: the screen just identify for people who aren't familiar with

908
00:44:08,840 --> 00:44:09,120
Speaker 3: the god.

909
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Speaker 4: So that's you've you've all on the far right, and

910
00:44:12,280 --> 00:44:15,759
Speaker 4: that's uh, that's Hamden there to his to his left,

911
00:44:15,840 --> 00:44:18,360
Speaker 4: there bald bald headed gentleman.

912
00:44:18,440 --> 00:44:19,120
Speaker 8: There he was.

913
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Speaker 3: This is in the United States of America. He was

914
00:44:21,719 --> 00:44:24,359
Speaker 3: Los Angeles. So he was here a few weeks ago

915
00:44:24,400 --> 00:44:27,560
Speaker 3: on the stage of his oscar, accepting.

916
00:44:27,239 --> 00:44:31,640
Speaker 4: This for a documentary, making the case that these violent

917
00:44:31,760 --> 00:44:37,160
Speaker 4: settlers are illegally uprooting people from their land. And then

918
00:44:37,320 --> 00:44:41,400
Speaker 4: he goes back to his land and the violent settlers

919
00:44:42,320 --> 00:44:45,279
Speaker 4: continue trying to uproot him from his land, which goes

920
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Speaker 4: to the point we're making about impunity that this this

921
00:44:48,680 --> 00:44:51,000
Speaker 4: because there used to be at least this sense that, okay,

922
00:44:51,239 --> 00:44:54,640
Speaker 4: this is a person that the West cares about. There

923
00:44:54,680 --> 00:44:58,120
Speaker 4: are millions of Palestinians, you know that we could that

924
00:44:58,239 --> 00:45:02,360
Speaker 4: we can kill or disappear. But there's a handful that

925
00:45:02,440 --> 00:45:04,160
Speaker 4: the West has heard of, and so we're going to

926
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Speaker 4: leave them alone. Right too, not even follow that norm

927
00:45:08,840 --> 00:45:13,160
Speaker 4: anymore suggests how far that the society is going because

928
00:45:13,280 --> 00:45:16,799
Speaker 4: and the settlers, the settler society is leading. That's that's

929
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Speaker 4: the leading edge of this kind of and.

930
00:45:18,600 --> 00:45:20,120
Speaker 1: We have ada of this attack.

931
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Speaker 3: This was released by Yuvon Abraham, the co director of

932
00:45:23,200 --> 00:45:25,120
Speaker 3: the film Guys, why don't we go ahead and play

933
00:45:25,560 --> 00:45:27,240
Speaker 3: some of that so people can see I mean it's

934
00:45:27,760 --> 00:45:29,600
Speaker 3: like out of a movie. If the group of these

935
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Speaker 3: settlers that literally are throwing stones and you know, attacking him,

936
00:45:34,400 --> 00:45:38,239
Speaker 3: as you said, after he's attacked, what he is then

937
00:45:38,680 --> 00:45:43,440
Speaker 3: arrested in the ambulance by the Israeli security forces right right,

938
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Speaker 3: and then taken into custody for basically no reason other

939
00:45:48,600 --> 00:45:49,800
Speaker 3: than what was the gentation?

940
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Speaker 1: They didn't even give one.

941
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Speaker 8: There were some the.

942
00:45:53,200 --> 00:45:57,240
Speaker 4: Allegations that there were some Palestinians who were throwing threw

943
00:45:57,520 --> 00:46:00,440
Speaker 4: some stones back, and so that may be would be

944
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Speaker 4: the I mean, being Palestinian, right and getting attacked is

945
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Speaker 4: enough to get you arrested.

946
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Speaker 3: Here is the latest update from you all as we

947
00:46:07,880 --> 00:46:09,719
Speaker 3: are filming. He says he is now free and is

948
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Speaker 3: about to go home with his family. But I mean,

949
00:46:11,600 --> 00:46:14,839
Speaker 3: it's pretty insane ordeal, and it's very likely, as you said, Ryan,

950
00:46:15,000 --> 00:46:18,600
Speaker 3: that he was likely only freed because of the international

951
00:46:18,960 --> 00:46:21,840
Speaker 3: attention on his case. This is just minutes ago according

952
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Speaker 3: to you all, Abraham, he says, after being handcuffed all

953
00:46:25,200 --> 00:46:27,239
Speaker 3: night and beaten in a military base, Handan is now

954
00:46:27,320 --> 00:46:28,920
Speaker 3: free and is about to go home to his family.

955
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Speaker 8: So that's the update.

956
00:46:29,960 --> 00:46:33,400
Speaker 4: We've partnered with you'vall too yeah, drop site. You've all's

957
00:46:34,200 --> 00:46:37,719
Speaker 4: had an absolutely incredible run of journalism broken some of

958
00:46:37,800 --> 00:46:40,480
Speaker 4: the some of the biggest stories on idea of war crimes,

959
00:46:40,520 --> 00:46:45,080
Speaker 4: the use of AI to choose and then execute on targets,

960
00:46:45,560 --> 00:46:49,840
Speaker 4: which is as dystoping a thing as you can imagine,

961
00:46:50,120 --> 00:46:52,880
Speaker 4: Like you just feed information into this AI and it

962
00:46:52,920 --> 00:46:57,400
Speaker 4: looks at names, and then and then with a vague

963
00:46:57,560 --> 00:47:00,279
Speaker 4: like sign off, you see a building collapse.

964
00:47:00,120 --> 00:47:02,520
Speaker 3: Okay, and then final thing because you know you talked

965
00:47:02,520 --> 00:47:05,200
Speaker 3: about the film, but you watch this film.

966
00:47:05,560 --> 00:47:06,319
Speaker 4: I haven't seen it yet.

967
00:47:06,320 --> 00:47:08,000
Speaker 1: Oh sorry, At the very least like.

968
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Speaker 4: Hard to see here in the United States Oscar.

969
00:47:10,040 --> 00:47:11,839
Speaker 3: You can barely ask you about that, So why don't

970
00:47:11,840 --> 00:47:14,320
Speaker 3: you tell us about the difficulty of being they have.

971
00:47:14,520 --> 00:47:19,040
Speaker 4: They have basically been unable to find a serious distributor

972
00:47:19,080 --> 00:47:22,680
Speaker 4: in the United States that is willing to run this

973
00:47:23,480 --> 00:47:29,480
Speaker 4: high profile OSCAR winning documentary that is at least half

974
00:47:29,640 --> 00:47:31,960
Speaker 4: produced by Jewish Israelis.

975
00:47:33,400 --> 00:47:37,359
Speaker 3: So think about like, right, and then remember the mayor

976
00:47:37,360 --> 00:47:41,160
Speaker 3: of Miami Beach to try to shut down a theater

977
00:47:41,840 --> 00:47:42,920
Speaker 3: that played.

978
00:47:43,000 --> 00:47:45,520
Speaker 4: The document and not blocked the theater from playing it. Yeah,

979
00:47:45,719 --> 00:47:50,920
Speaker 4: shut down the theater down. He has backed off of

980
00:47:51,000 --> 00:47:55,080
Speaker 4: that at the very end we took it was weeks

981
00:47:55,200 --> 00:47:58,000
Speaker 4: later he backed down. It's like he's like, that's the

982
00:47:58,120 --> 00:48:00,000
Speaker 4: kind of thing you back down from within five minute.

983
00:48:00,040 --> 00:48:05,160
Speaker 4: It's in a civilized society. He for weeks was like, Yeah,

984
00:48:05,200 --> 00:48:09,600
Speaker 4: I'm gonna get this theater. It's unbelievable. And is it

985
00:48:09,640 --> 00:48:12,040
Speaker 4: available on streaming? Do you know that's a good question.

986
00:48:12,160 --> 00:48:14,320
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, I'm sure you can find it, right, I

987
00:48:14,440 --> 00:48:17,320
Speaker 3: remember talk I forgot I totally forget his name. The

988
00:48:17,400 --> 00:48:21,160
Speaker 3: person who did it's Brian Something. He did the the

989
00:48:22,640 --> 00:48:25,840
Speaker 3: documentary on Jamal ka Shogi, if you'll recall, and he

990
00:48:25,920 --> 00:48:28,359
Speaker 3: also did Icarus, so he was an Oscar winner. Yeah,

991
00:48:28,440 --> 00:48:31,960
Speaker 3: he did Icarus, huge hit. Then he did his next

992
00:48:32,040 --> 00:48:36,840
Speaker 3: movie on Jamal Kashowgi, and he couldn't get Netflix or

993
00:48:36,880 --> 00:48:41,680
Speaker 3: anybody because he distributed exactly because Amazon and Netflix all

994
00:48:41,680 --> 00:48:44,200
Speaker 3: these other people of all this business in Saudi Arabia,

995
00:48:44,400 --> 00:48:46,520
Speaker 3: and people had to go and pay nineteen ninety nine

996
00:48:46,600 --> 00:48:49,120
Speaker 3: or whatever on Amazon Prime just to rent the movie

997
00:48:49,360 --> 00:48:50,759
Speaker 3: right just to be able to watch it.

998
00:48:51,080 --> 00:48:52,759
Speaker 4: So I think that it looks like you may be

999
00:48:52,800 --> 00:48:54,840
Speaker 4: able to pay eight ninety nine on Prime.

1000
00:48:54,719 --> 00:48:55,520
Speaker 8: Okay, but I get it.

1001
00:48:55,640 --> 00:48:56,520
Speaker 1: It's a little different.

1002
00:48:56,640 --> 00:48:59,360
Speaker 4: That's great that What that means is that it's not

1003
00:49:00,080 --> 00:49:02,799
Speaker 4: they did not license it is out included in your

1004
00:49:02,840 --> 00:49:05,400
Speaker 4: prime you have to spend on top of it.

1005
00:49:05,960 --> 00:49:11,000
Speaker 3: Yeah, well, uh, insane story. Our producers brought it to light.

1006
00:49:11,239 --> 00:49:13,000
Speaker 3: One of our producers, Griffin, made a good point here

1007
00:49:13,239 --> 00:49:15,919
Speaker 3: is it's going to be Will anyone in Hollywood speak,

1008
00:49:15,960 --> 00:49:17,319
Speaker 3: Will the Academy speak up?

1009
00:49:17,680 --> 00:49:20,040
Speaker 4: You know, for one of their Oscar winners?

1010
00:49:20,400 --> 00:49:23,719
Speaker 3: Will anyone in Hollywood who was you know, ostensibly met

1011
00:49:23,760 --> 00:49:26,040
Speaker 3: this man, was on a stage with him.

1012
00:49:26,560 --> 00:49:29,040
Speaker 4: Washed probably you know, probably went to a party. I mean,

1013
00:49:29,080 --> 00:49:31,080
Speaker 4: he's a literal Oscar winner here. Yeah.

1014
00:49:31,719 --> 00:49:36,080
Speaker 1: So yeah, in insane situation that this.

1015
00:49:36,200 --> 00:49:39,080
Speaker 4: All Adam McKay and Hassan Piker will are the only

1016
00:49:39,160 --> 00:49:41,239
Speaker 4: Los Angeles residents you're from. I'm sure.

1017
00:49:42,320 --> 00:49:46,560
Speaker 1: Good point. All right, let's turn to soda.

1018
00:49:46,640 --> 00:49:49,239
Speaker 3: Now this we wanted to cover this yesterday, but we

1019
00:49:49,360 --> 00:49:52,080
Speaker 3: just talked too long with Glenn Greenwald, So we got

1020
00:49:52,160 --> 00:49:53,560
Speaker 3: to get this in here. Let's put it up there

1021
00:49:53,680 --> 00:49:57,320
Speaker 3: on the screen. A little mini scandal erupting. This is

1022
00:49:57,400 --> 00:50:00,520
Speaker 3: from en Tribalism in politics. Great account actual, by the way,

1023
00:50:00,880 --> 00:50:03,360
Speaker 3: and he says conservative and influencer are selling their souls.

1024
00:50:03,400 --> 00:50:06,600
Speaker 3: I'm going to add a allegedly there to soda lobbyists

1025
00:50:06,640 --> 00:50:07,719
Speaker 3: for a few extra bucks.

1026
00:50:08,600 --> 00:50:12,120
Speaker 1: So yeah, they go to keep soda on Snap.

1027
00:50:12,200 --> 00:50:15,200
Speaker 3: Anyone backing this is not MAHA or make America health

1028
00:50:15,239 --> 00:50:18,839
Speaker 3: a gran make America healthy again. Their anti health, anti truth,

1029
00:50:18,880 --> 00:50:21,879
Speaker 3: and anti kids. It's time to expose the grifters trying

1030
00:50:21,920 --> 00:50:25,359
Speaker 3: to hijack the MAHA movement. So who is he talking

1031
00:50:25,360 --> 00:50:27,480
Speaker 3: about here? Let's go and put these up there on

1032
00:50:27,960 --> 00:50:30,680
Speaker 3: this screen, and what you guys can see in front

1033
00:50:30,719 --> 00:50:33,360
Speaker 3: of you are a series of tweets made by some

1034
00:50:33,480 --> 00:50:36,759
Speaker 3: pretty big conservative accounts. Let's go to the next part please,

1035
00:50:37,320 --> 00:50:40,440
Speaker 3: just to show people where they basically all boil down

1036
00:50:40,520 --> 00:50:41,520
Speaker 3: to the same talking points.

1037
00:50:41,640 --> 00:50:41,920
Speaker 1: Quote.

1038
00:50:41,920 --> 00:50:45,040
Speaker 3: Efforts to restrict Snap purchases takes away the autonomy of

1039
00:50:45,080 --> 00:50:47,640
Speaker 3: the consumer to make their own decisions. This is an

1040
00:50:47,680 --> 00:50:50,759
Speaker 3: example of government overreach, but an example of why people

1041
00:50:50,800 --> 00:50:53,359
Speaker 3: should strive not to be dependent on the government at all.

1042
00:50:53,440 --> 00:50:54,120
Speaker 1: Go to the next one.

1043
00:50:54,280 --> 00:50:57,279
Speaker 3: So these are all like pretty large accounts actually which

1044
00:50:57,360 --> 00:51:01,200
Speaker 3: you know significant following, et cetera. All of them just

1045
00:51:01,320 --> 00:51:04,680
Speaker 3: all seem to have the same language government overreach. They

1046
00:51:04,719 --> 00:51:07,319
Speaker 3: want to restrict a new war on soda, has begun

1047
00:51:07,480 --> 00:51:10,680
Speaker 3: targeting purchases made through Snap. This from Ian Miles Chong.

1048
00:51:10,800 --> 00:51:13,400
Speaker 3: I don't believe it's the government's role to decide what

1049
00:51:13,480 --> 00:51:15,000
Speaker 3: people should or shouldn't eat.

1050
00:51:15,640 --> 00:51:18,080
Speaker 4: Now, look, why did you say the government? Yeah, does

1051
00:51:18,160 --> 00:51:18,680
Speaker 4: not live here?

1052
00:51:18,920 --> 00:51:20,600
Speaker 1: That's right? Yeah, good point?

1053
00:51:20,760 --> 00:51:21,320
Speaker 4: What government?

1054
00:51:21,680 --> 00:51:24,000
Speaker 3: We need to make America a place where right wing

1055
00:51:24,120 --> 00:51:26,040
Speaker 3: influencers just live in America?

1056
00:51:26,160 --> 00:51:26,960
Speaker 5: Is it too much to ask?

1057
00:51:27,160 --> 00:51:28,000
Speaker 1: Is it too much to ask?

1058
00:51:28,320 --> 00:51:30,000
Speaker 4: All right? I guess, I mean it fits with my

1059
00:51:30,080 --> 00:51:32,719
Speaker 4: nationalist belief So I'm glad you agree with I mean,

1060
00:51:32,800 --> 00:51:34,319
Speaker 4: have a little light xenophobia.

1061
00:51:34,360 --> 00:51:37,080
Speaker 3: Ok, that guys, it's not xenophobic to just say, bro,

1062
00:51:37,320 --> 00:51:40,120
Speaker 3: you don't live here. You live in Islamic theocracy.

1063
00:51:40,239 --> 00:51:42,400
Speaker 4: Bro, Like, what are you? Why are you telling me

1064
00:51:42,880 --> 00:51:46,080
Speaker 4: about Snap? All right? Go find Jolo. That's what you

1065
00:51:46,080 --> 00:51:48,759
Speaker 4: should be focused. The government. Yeah yeah, the government. Yeah,

1066
00:51:48,880 --> 00:51:49,880
Speaker 4: the government is your government.

1067
00:51:49,920 --> 00:51:50,560
Speaker 1: You're Malaysian.

1068
00:51:50,800 --> 00:51:55,600
Speaker 3: Yeah, go and find find to find We'll give you

1069
00:51:55,640 --> 00:51:58,320
Speaker 3: a citizenship, give us jolo. All right, that's that's my

1070
00:51:58,480 --> 00:52:00,879
Speaker 3: DEMENTI If you don't know what I'm talking about, million yeah,

1071
00:52:00,880 --> 00:52:03,200
Speaker 3: that's right. For people who don't know what we're talking about.

1072
00:52:03,200 --> 00:52:05,920
Speaker 3: Billion dollar wall, isn't there a documentary on this yesh, yeah,

1073
00:52:05,960 --> 00:52:06,760
Speaker 3: watch the documentary.

1074
00:52:06,880 --> 00:52:08,600
Speaker 4: Read more importantly than on the run, I'm inute.

1075
00:52:08,640 --> 00:52:09,200
Speaker 1: The book is.

1076
00:52:09,360 --> 00:52:10,440
Speaker 4: Oh, that's right, you are in it.

1077
00:52:10,400 --> 00:52:11,680
Speaker 3: Because I texted you about it and I was like,

1078
00:52:11,760 --> 00:52:14,800
Speaker 3: oh my god, Ryan's and this Jolo documentary. Guys have

1079
00:52:14,880 --> 00:52:18,400
Speaker 3: to watch it. The book is unbelievable. It's genuinely unbelievable.

1080
00:52:18,560 --> 00:52:21,960
Speaker 3: That's just a side note. So Nick sorder great journalist.

1081
00:52:22,280 --> 00:52:25,120
Speaker 3: He uncovered what this all is. Let's put this up

1082
00:52:25,120 --> 00:52:29,120
Speaker 3: there on the screen. He shows us direct screenshots quote.

1083
00:52:29,200 --> 00:52:31,919
Speaker 3: These influencers were given a couple of templates to use

1084
00:52:32,000 --> 00:52:36,080
Speaker 3: by quote Influenceable. One of those templates specifically tells them

1085
00:52:36,400 --> 00:52:39,759
Speaker 3: to mention Trump's diet coke habit. This was done to

1086
00:52:39,920 --> 00:52:44,439
Speaker 3: invoke an emotional response from loyal Trump supporters, making them

1087
00:52:44,600 --> 00:52:47,840
Speaker 3: feel as if banning soda from snap snap is the

1088
00:52:47,840 --> 00:52:50,880
Speaker 3: food stamps program would be anti Trump. This is an

1089
00:52:50,920 --> 00:52:55,000
Speaker 3: incredibly dirty tactic meant to manipulate loyal followers. And you

1090
00:52:55,080 --> 00:52:58,360
Speaker 3: can actually see there's these soda bands and government over regulation,

1091
00:52:58,520 --> 00:53:00,720
Speaker 3: and it says up at the top the campaign highlights

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00:53:00,800 --> 00:53:04,960
Speaker 3: the dangers of government overregulation. The narrative emphasizes how such

1093
00:53:05,040 --> 00:53:09,680
Speaker 3: regulation is an overreach that unfairly targets consumer choice, key

1094
00:53:09,800 --> 00:53:13,880
Speaker 3: resources Trump with diet Coke image, and he goes on

1095
00:53:14,160 --> 00:53:18,200
Speaker 3: to say that these influencers were texted by Influenceable telling

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00:53:18,280 --> 00:53:21,760
Speaker 3: them to help push back against government overreach and told

1097
00:53:21,840 --> 00:53:24,719
Speaker 3: that they would be paid between several hundred and even

1098
00:53:24,960 --> 00:53:30,200
Speaker 3: one thousand dollars for each post, attempting to turn MAGA

1099
00:53:30,280 --> 00:53:33,000
Speaker 3: folks against RFK Junior and Maha.

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Speaker 1: Now again, whatever you think.

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00:53:36,400 --> 00:53:39,600
Speaker 3: About this whole soda thing, you might even agree, right,

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00:53:39,880 --> 00:53:43,560
Speaker 3: I suspect that you do agree. I don't fear that

1103
00:53:43,680 --> 00:53:47,760
Speaker 3: you're getting paid a thousand rucks by the big soda

1104
00:53:47,880 --> 00:53:50,440
Speaker 3: lobby to say what you think. And you would think,

1105
00:53:50,480 --> 00:53:52,640
Speaker 3: you know, maybe I'm naive. I've never been paid to

1106
00:53:52,680 --> 00:53:55,960
Speaker 3: post literally anything in my entire life, and so, you know,

1107
00:53:56,160 --> 00:53:58,359
Speaker 3: I just thought that we all just post what we're thinking,

1108
00:53:58,600 --> 00:54:00,160
Speaker 3: you know, and then we all make our money in

1109
00:54:00,239 --> 00:54:01,160
Speaker 3: the way that we do our job.

1110
00:54:01,280 --> 00:54:03,160
Speaker 1: But for some people, this is their job, you know.

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00:54:03,320 --> 00:54:06,280
Speaker 3: I just thought that, at least in politics, again naively,

1112
00:54:06,560 --> 00:54:08,879
Speaker 3: you usually do it by building up an audience, telling

1113
00:54:08,880 --> 00:54:12,160
Speaker 3: people what you think, criticize whatever you know. But it's

1114
00:54:12,200 --> 00:54:14,800
Speaker 3: not like fashion. It makes sense that a fashion influencer

1115
00:54:14,880 --> 00:54:18,320
Speaker 3: will be paid by fashion companies, but here you're literally

1116
00:54:18,480 --> 00:54:23,239
Speaker 3: watching under the table deals to post political opinions and advocacy,

1117
00:54:23,640 --> 00:54:27,600
Speaker 3: specifically for the purpose of trying to shape government regulation.

1118
00:54:27,680 --> 00:54:29,800
Speaker 3: So it actually tells us a lot both about the

1119
00:54:29,880 --> 00:54:31,880
Speaker 3: right wing ecosystem where so many of these people are

1120
00:54:31,960 --> 00:54:34,880
Speaker 3: genuinely for sale. Also a thousand bucks what will come on?

1121
00:54:35,080 --> 00:54:36,520
Speaker 1: You know you guys make that.

1122
00:54:37,760 --> 00:54:40,680
Speaker 3: Yeah, it goes a long way in Malaysia, not for

1123
00:54:41,040 --> 00:54:43,160
Speaker 3: the rest. It's like, really, you're not making money elsewhere.

1124
00:54:43,160 --> 00:54:44,440
Speaker 3: I know all of your people, I know how you're

1125
00:54:44,440 --> 00:54:46,200
Speaker 3: making money. You making money, You're doing speaking fees and

1126
00:54:46,239 --> 00:54:48,360
Speaker 3: all this other stuff. So I guess this fits into that.

1127
00:54:48,480 --> 00:54:49,960
Speaker 3: But it's like, is it really worth it, you know,

1128
00:54:50,080 --> 00:54:52,879
Speaker 3: being outed as a joke like this, because why should

1129
00:54:52,920 --> 00:54:54,799
Speaker 3: anybody ever trust any of you ever?

1130
00:54:54,880 --> 00:54:55,160
Speaker 4: Again?

1131
00:54:55,520 --> 00:54:57,680
Speaker 3: And now you know, you just can't help but notice

1132
00:54:57,800 --> 00:55:01,759
Speaker 3: and continue about how many of these campaigns are so

1133
00:55:02,040 --> 00:55:06,000
Speaker 3: obviously organized behind the scenes. Maybe whenever it applies to

1134
00:55:06,080 --> 00:55:09,080
Speaker 3: a foreign country, you know, I might be noticing some

1135
00:55:09,200 --> 00:55:12,040
Speaker 3: of that as well. Very interesting. Everybody always seems to

1136
00:55:12,120 --> 00:55:14,400
Speaker 3: be on script. Sometimes the script is real and they

1137
00:55:14,400 --> 00:55:16,960
Speaker 3: actually believe it. But it's pretty it's just obvious in

1138
00:55:17,000 --> 00:55:19,439
Speaker 3: this case, and again allegedly for some of those people

1139
00:55:19,480 --> 00:55:22,160
Speaker 3: hasn't been confirmed, but they haven't denied it either, that

1140
00:55:22,560 --> 00:55:25,600
Speaker 3: they're being paid to do this. The policy implications of

1141
00:55:25,640 --> 00:55:29,480
Speaker 3: it are actually important because there it is an ongoing

1142
00:55:29,520 --> 00:55:34,759
Speaker 3: fight within the MAHA movement to try and remove unhealthy

1143
00:55:34,880 --> 00:55:38,680
Speaker 3: food and soda from the food stamp program. And again,

1144
00:55:38,760 --> 00:55:41,279
Speaker 3: we can have a big political fight about it if

1145
00:55:41,320 --> 00:55:43,320
Speaker 3: we want to, but we should at least have some

1146
00:55:43,400 --> 00:55:46,200
Speaker 3: good faith. I would think online that these people aren't

1147
00:55:46,200 --> 00:55:48,840
Speaker 3: getting paid to post their opinions, and they obviously are.

1148
00:55:48,960 --> 00:55:49,000
Speaker 6: So.

1149
00:55:49,280 --> 00:55:51,440
Speaker 3: Anyway, if you saw any of those accounts, you should

1150
00:55:51,520 --> 00:55:53,080
Speaker 3: asking questions, ask them some questions.

1151
00:55:53,160 --> 00:55:56,640
Speaker 4: Yeah, right, which other of your opinions?

1152
00:55:56,920 --> 00:55:57,080
Speaker 8: Yeah?

1153
00:55:57,160 --> 00:55:59,160
Speaker 4: Which other ones you've been have paid for it? Right?

1154
00:55:59,200 --> 00:55:59,640
Speaker 9: That this is?

1155
00:56:00,080 --> 00:56:01,759
Speaker 1: Do you believe this is really?

1156
00:56:01,760 --> 00:56:02,080
Speaker 8: Literally?

1157
00:56:02,239 --> 00:56:04,600
Speaker 4: And then there's going to be a troll farm underneath

1158
00:56:04,719 --> 00:56:07,759
Speaker 4: all of these paid for by the Soto lobby that

1159
00:56:07,840 --> 00:56:10,520
Speaker 4: will be like Ian is so right, it's based?

1160
00:56:10,680 --> 00:56:10,839
Speaker 6: Yes?

1161
00:56:11,120 --> 00:56:14,600
Speaker 4: Great? Great? Take Yeah. On the On the policy itself,

1162
00:56:14,640 --> 00:56:17,719
Speaker 4: I have an unpopular opinion on this probably you know,

1163
00:56:17,800 --> 00:56:21,520
Speaker 4: I grew up on food stamps and I hate any

1164
00:56:21,840 --> 00:56:24,960
Speaker 4: nanny state humiliation of the poor. I just I say

1165
00:56:25,680 --> 00:56:28,600
Speaker 4: I want poor people to be treated like human beings

1166
00:56:28,960 --> 00:56:31,240
Speaker 4: like everybody else, and that if other people are allowed

1167
00:56:31,239 --> 00:56:32,880
Speaker 4: to buy terrible things, they should be able to buy

1168
00:56:32,960 --> 00:56:35,280
Speaker 4: terrible things. Now, I would say, let's.

1169
00:56:35,080 --> 00:56:36,800
Speaker 3: Start with I mean, you can buy terrible things with

1170
00:56:36,840 --> 00:56:38,360
Speaker 3: your own mind. You could buy anything you want with

1171
00:56:38,400 --> 00:56:38,799
Speaker 3: your own.

1172
00:56:38,719 --> 00:56:41,239
Speaker 4: Mind, I know, because America just cares so deeply about

1173
00:56:41,239 --> 00:56:41,520
Speaker 4: the poor.

1174
00:56:41,840 --> 00:56:44,440
Speaker 3: Okay, but but this is separate argument, right, which is

1175
00:56:44,520 --> 00:56:46,840
Speaker 3: we can care more about the poor, which.

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00:56:47,000 --> 00:56:50,600
Speaker 4: It's just about. Well, yeah, the then increase the snap benefit,

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00:56:51,520 --> 00:56:54,120
Speaker 4: you know, help help actually help people out. I don't know.

1178
00:56:54,440 --> 00:56:55,840
Speaker 1: I feel very torn about it.

1179
00:56:55,920 --> 00:56:58,440
Speaker 3: The food system is obviously the number one culprit here

1180
00:56:58,520 --> 00:57:00,120
Speaker 3: that the people who designed all of this in the

1181
00:57:00,160 --> 00:57:01,560
Speaker 3: first place to make it so.

1182
00:57:01,719 --> 00:57:04,160
Speaker 4: Stop the subsidies of the sugar industry, right, well, why

1183
00:57:04,160 --> 00:57:04,880
Speaker 4: do we you both right?

1184
00:57:04,920 --> 00:57:06,439
Speaker 1: And that's what I would say, would say, Okay, we'll

1185
00:57:06,440 --> 00:57:07,120
Speaker 1: send the subsidies.

1186
00:57:07,200 --> 00:57:09,000
Speaker 3: Let's make it so that the soda programs and others

1187
00:57:09,000 --> 00:57:11,680
Speaker 3: aren't even available in what high schools and others. I

1188
00:57:11,760 --> 00:57:14,719
Speaker 3: remember reading about the word to keep soda in high school.

1189
00:57:14,960 --> 00:57:16,560
Speaker 3: It's the craziest thing I've ever seen.

1190
00:57:16,680 --> 00:57:19,680
Speaker 4: Yes, yeah, that's completely insane, right. I think if you

1191
00:57:19,760 --> 00:57:23,880
Speaker 4: want to use government policy to make America healthy, do

1192
00:57:24,040 --> 00:57:25,920
Speaker 4: it for everybody. Yeah, I agree with that. And so

1193
00:57:26,040 --> 00:57:29,720
Speaker 4: then tax, you know, put a tax on sugar stuff

1194
00:57:29,800 --> 00:57:32,880
Speaker 4: and take this literally, because Florida is so important to

1195
00:57:32,960 --> 00:57:38,480
Speaker 4: our politics, sugar gets massive amounts of subsidies. And it's

1196
00:57:38,480 --> 00:57:40,680
Speaker 4: not just because Florida is important. It's also because the

1197
00:57:40,760 --> 00:57:44,040
Speaker 4: sugar lobby then uses the money and buides off politicians.

1198
00:57:44,600 --> 00:57:47,680
Speaker 4: Just just literally get rid of the subsidy and make

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Speaker 4: sugar compete, Like why do we like you? Flip the

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00:57:51,840 --> 00:57:55,680
Speaker 4: box over and look at added sugars. It's like, really, cheese,

1201
00:57:55,720 --> 00:58:00,000
Speaker 4: its needs added sugars. Like cheese, its will be fine

1202
00:58:00,480 --> 00:58:04,000
Speaker 4: without the added sugars. Good luck. Go through the grocery

1203
00:58:04,000 --> 00:58:06,440
Speaker 4: store and try to find something that doesn't have added sugars,

1204
00:58:06,520 --> 00:58:10,840
Speaker 4: like whole wheat bread. Flip the whole wheatbread over. It's

1205
00:58:10,880 --> 00:58:13,560
Speaker 4: like added sugars, Like, oh my god, why are you

1206
00:58:13,600 --> 00:58:14,640
Speaker 4: adding sugar to wheat bread?

1207
00:58:14,720 --> 00:58:17,560
Speaker 3: It is Look it's have I could cause your subsidized

1208
00:58:17,600 --> 00:58:20,280
Speaker 3: to do it. It's it's not just upsy though. This

1209
00:58:20,440 --> 00:58:21,840
Speaker 3: is where it's on the consumer as.

1210
00:58:21,760 --> 00:58:24,000
Speaker 4: Well, and I don't think you consumer's on. They go

1211
00:58:24,120 --> 00:58:26,160
Speaker 4: into a lab and they figure out what makes your

1212
00:58:26,200 --> 00:58:27,640
Speaker 4: brain go big, Yes and no.

1213
00:58:27,800 --> 00:58:29,160
Speaker 3: But I mean the thing is is that if you

1214
00:58:29,240 --> 00:58:31,440
Speaker 3: just look at the amount of processed food that we

1215
00:58:31,560 --> 00:58:34,760
Speaker 3: consume now, it is just exponential compared to the past.

1216
00:58:34,840 --> 00:58:35,960
Speaker 1: In fact, I think that's the right.

1217
00:58:36,000 --> 00:58:38,360
Speaker 3: But that's not because that's not because consumers led a

1218
00:58:38,440 --> 00:58:41,000
Speaker 3: movement and we're like, well, that is more processed food.

1219
00:58:41,360 --> 00:58:44,000
Speaker 3: We're responding a bit to consumer choice. Like the truth is,

1220
00:58:44,120 --> 00:58:45,480
Speaker 3: you can eat healthy if you want to, you just

1221
00:58:45,560 --> 00:58:47,600
Speaker 3: have need time. And the people think what people don't

1222
00:58:47,640 --> 00:58:50,920
Speaker 3: have is time. And it's very cook Cooking is a

1223
00:58:50,960 --> 00:58:51,520
Speaker 3: pain in the ass.

1224
00:58:51,600 --> 00:58:52,320
Speaker 1: You can do it, you know.

1225
00:58:52,320 --> 00:58:54,440
Speaker 3: It's actually quite cheap if you want to. But the

1226
00:58:54,520 --> 00:58:56,440
Speaker 3: point the problem is that it takes a lot of

1227
00:58:56,480 --> 00:58:59,160
Speaker 3: the slow people are busy the crockpot. Yeah, you can

1228
00:58:59,200 --> 00:58:59,920
Speaker 3: crock pot it up.

1229
00:59:00,680 --> 00:59:01,600
Speaker 4: It's not that hard.

1230
00:59:02,160 --> 00:59:04,840
Speaker 3: But again it's about intention and brain space, which most

1231
00:59:04,840 --> 00:59:07,360
Speaker 3: people are busy and they don't have the time, or

1232
00:59:07,720 --> 00:59:09,800
Speaker 3: you have two parent households who are working. I don't

1233
00:59:09,840 --> 00:59:12,120
Speaker 3: blame anybody out there if you put something in the microwave,

1234
00:59:12,320 --> 00:59:14,200
Speaker 3: and even working for twelve hours a day. And let's

1235
00:59:14,200 --> 00:59:15,760
Speaker 3: say your husband's on a night shift and you're on

1236
00:59:15,800 --> 00:59:18,960
Speaker 3: the day shift and you're the sole caregiver. Listen, I'm here,

1237
00:59:19,080 --> 00:59:21,360
Speaker 3: I'm here for you. I'm with you. I'm not going

1238
00:59:21,440 --> 00:59:24,160
Speaker 3: to lecture you and tell you, oh, it's so easier whatever.

1239
00:59:24,280 --> 00:59:27,240
Speaker 3: I totally agree we should design the system to change

1240
00:59:27,320 --> 00:59:28,240
Speaker 3: things a little bit.

1241
00:59:28,360 --> 00:59:34,840
Speaker 4: Snap should cover diapers, it should cover medicine, like SNAP

1242
00:59:34,880 --> 00:59:37,680
Speaker 4: should be Snap should be able to cover things that

1243
00:59:37,720 --> 00:59:39,800
Speaker 4: you really need. Are they not other programs?

1244
00:59:40,360 --> 00:59:40,440
Speaker 10: Well?

1245
00:59:40,520 --> 00:59:40,840
Speaker 1: Diapers?

1246
00:59:40,880 --> 00:59:43,560
Speaker 4: I know that's a big one about silent all. Like

1247
00:59:43,640 --> 00:59:45,680
Speaker 4: your kid's got one hundred and four fever and they

1248
00:59:45,760 --> 00:59:48,240
Speaker 4: want fifteen dollars for this bottle of tile and all

1249
00:59:48,480 --> 00:59:51,400
Speaker 4: that they keep behind the lock and key, and you

1250
00:59:51,440 --> 00:59:54,120
Speaker 4: can't use your benefits for it. What good is being

1251
00:59:54,160 --> 00:59:55,800
Speaker 4: able to but you can use soda. See that's where

1252
00:59:55,800 --> 00:59:56,360
Speaker 4: That's where I am.

1253
00:59:56,480 --> 00:59:59,400
Speaker 3: Like the things that are included in that are very

1254
00:59:59,440 --> 01:00:04,120
Speaker 3: obviously part of very obviously included as part of a

1255
01:00:04,160 --> 01:00:07,479
Speaker 3: lobbying campaign that has been very successful over the last

1256
01:00:07,760 --> 01:00:08,360
Speaker 3: several years.

1257
01:00:08,400 --> 01:00:10,920
Speaker 4: So we'll return to the story. Like air, there's like

1258
01:00:10,960 --> 01:00:13,400
Speaker 4: a hot food thing. You can't get hot food, but

1259
01:00:13,920 --> 01:00:16,080
Speaker 4: I thought you could. There's a loophole where I've seen

1260
01:00:16,160 --> 01:00:19,080
Speaker 4: him in seven to eleven before. Well, there's various loopholes

1261
01:00:19,120 --> 01:00:21,040
Speaker 4: where if you can buy it cold but then it's heated.

1262
01:00:21,080 --> 01:00:21,920
Speaker 1: Oh that's right, that's right.

1263
01:00:22,000 --> 01:00:23,280
Speaker 4: So like this, I used to be able to get

1264
01:00:23,320 --> 01:00:26,440
Speaker 4: shrimp because you'd get the shrimp cold. Yeah, but then

1265
01:00:26,440 --> 01:00:27,960
Speaker 4: they'll steam it for you. Yes, that's right.

1266
01:00:28,040 --> 01:00:30,680
Speaker 1: Publics will do that. I think people always say, so

1267
01:00:30,760 --> 01:00:32,400
Speaker 1: that was a great public that would be covered.

1268
01:00:32,440 --> 01:00:35,280
Speaker 4: But if it's already steamed, forget it. It's not for

1269
01:00:35,400 --> 01:00:35,800
Speaker 4: you for it.

1270
01:00:39,000 --> 01:00:40,920
Speaker 3: Let's get over to twenty three and me. I definitely

1271
01:00:40,960 --> 01:00:43,320
Speaker 3: wanted to include the story in here. This has touched

1272
01:00:43,360 --> 01:00:46,160
Speaker 3: a nerve everywhere. So twenty three and Me. The company

1273
01:00:46,320 --> 01:00:50,480
Speaker 3: obviously very famous. It popularized the whole DNA testing thing

1274
01:00:50,640 --> 01:00:53,400
Speaker 3: to see your heritage. People found lost relatives, and there

1275
01:00:53,400 --> 01:00:56,919
Speaker 3: were great stories ancestry dot com. Well, now we're seeing

1276
01:00:57,000 --> 01:01:00,760
Speaker 3: the downside of some decades long voluntarily millions of people

1277
01:01:00,840 --> 01:01:04,440
Speaker 3: just giving DNA samples to private companies. Private companies have

1278
01:01:04,560 --> 01:01:06,480
Speaker 3: the ability to just sell it off if they want.

1279
01:01:06,520 --> 01:01:09,000
Speaker 3: They don't necessarily keep your data all that secure. They

1280
01:01:09,080 --> 01:01:11,080
Speaker 3: claim that you can have your data deleted? Is it

1281
01:01:11,160 --> 01:01:14,400
Speaker 3: really deleted? Well, now the company is going into bankruptcy,

1282
01:01:14,440 --> 01:01:17,640
Speaker 3: and its bankruptcy means that its assets. The only valuable

1283
01:01:17,680 --> 01:01:20,480
Speaker 3: thing on its balance sheet is what your DNA. If

1284
01:01:20,480 --> 01:01:23,560
Speaker 3: you submitted your DNA there our own James Lee did

1285
01:01:23,600 --> 01:01:25,000
Speaker 3: a video about it. Let's take a listen.

1286
01:01:25,360 --> 01:01:28,160
Speaker 6: Heads up, if you've ever given your DNA to twenty

1287
01:01:28,280 --> 01:01:31,080
Speaker 6: three and meters, you should probably go and delete that

1288
01:01:31,560 --> 01:01:33,680
Speaker 6: right now. This morning it was announced that twenty three

1289
01:01:33,760 --> 01:01:36,520
Speaker 6: and meter filed for bankruptcy and that it's CEO and

1290
01:01:36,720 --> 01:01:39,400
Speaker 6: with Jeki was resigning. Twenty three and me is, of

1291
01:01:39,440 --> 01:01:42,080
Speaker 6: course the DNA testing company. They said that this morning.

1292
01:01:42,320 --> 01:01:44,480
Speaker 6: Twenty three and me shares dropped more than fifty percent

1293
01:01:44,520 --> 01:01:47,560
Speaker 6: in early trading after the company filed for bankruptcy late Sunday,

1294
01:01:47,600 --> 01:01:51,840
Speaker 6: blah blah blah, shareholder value whatever. Here is what's actually alarming.

1295
01:01:51,960 --> 01:01:54,520
Speaker 6: Quote twenty three and Me's global database has grown into

1296
01:01:54,600 --> 01:01:59,200
Speaker 6: a virtually unprecedented repository of human genetic information that can

1297
01:01:59,280 --> 01:02:01,880
Speaker 6: now be sold in bankruptcy proceedings.

1298
01:02:02,080 --> 01:02:02,440
Speaker 4: That's right.

1299
01:02:02,520 --> 01:02:04,840
Speaker 6: The privacy statement of twenty three and meters says that,

1300
01:02:05,000 --> 01:02:08,959
Speaker 6: quote if they are involved in a bankruptcy merger acquisition, reorganization,

1301
01:02:09,120 --> 01:02:12,880
Speaker 6: or sale of assets. Your personal information may be access, sold,

1302
01:02:13,000 --> 01:02:15,760
Speaker 6: or transferred as part of that transaction. So what does

1303
01:02:15,840 --> 01:02:18,360
Speaker 6: that mean, Well, it means that the DNA that you've

1304
01:02:18,440 --> 01:02:22,080
Speaker 6: given them could be scooped up by whoever and used

1305
01:02:22,160 --> 01:02:25,240
Speaker 6: in all sorts of crazy ways, things like maybe cloning

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Speaker 6: you without your permission. Your DNA could be sold to

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Speaker 6: malicious actors who could then use that DNA and leave

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Speaker 6: it at crime scenes that you were never at. Of course,

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Speaker 6: bioweapons is always a possibility. I mean, okay, those are

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Speaker 6: admittedly kind of crazy examples. Maybe they won't happen, But

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Speaker 6: then there are those mundane use cases that probably will happen,

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Speaker 6: one of which is insurance companies using that DNA data

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01:02:50,840 --> 01:02:54,480
Speaker 6: to deny you coverage, which is something they'd definitely love

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Speaker 6: to do. So if you don't want that, here are

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Speaker 6: the instructions on how you could delete your data from

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01:02:58,600 --> 01:03:00,440
Speaker 6: twenty three and meters past time read.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, so, actually, yesterday after the news broke, the d

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01:03:05,000 --> 01:03:08,440
Speaker 3: twenty three meters website was experiencing problems because so many

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01:03:08,520 --> 01:03:11,320
Speaker 3: people were trying to delete their data. But you know,

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Speaker 3: that's a drop in the bucket if we're being real

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01:03:13,680 --> 01:03:17,200
Speaker 3: of the fifteen million DNA samples that they have. Regulators

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01:03:17,240 --> 01:03:19,800
Speaker 3: are starting to take notice. The government of California, let's

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01:03:19,800 --> 01:03:22,840
Speaker 3: put this up there. The Attorney General is now urgently

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01:03:23,000 --> 01:03:26,600
Speaker 3: issuing a consumer alert for twenty three and meters customers,

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01:03:26,960 --> 01:03:30,280
Speaker 3: asking them to take down their genetic data. One point

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01:03:30,360 --> 01:03:32,480
Speaker 3: somebody made to me Ryan is that this is actually

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01:03:32,600 --> 01:03:36,680
Speaker 3: really scary because the worst this is the most mundane

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01:03:36,840 --> 01:03:40,440
Speaker 3: but dystopian use case. Let's say you're a healthcare company

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01:03:40,760 --> 01:03:45,920
Speaker 3: and you want to decide whether to ensure somebody or not,

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01:03:46,480 --> 01:03:48,080
Speaker 3: or how to adjust their premiums.

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Speaker 1: What would you do me?

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Speaker 3: I would buy let's say, genetic repository of fifteen million people,

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01:03:55,320 --> 01:03:58,680
Speaker 3: and then I would cross reference your name with any

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01:03:58,760 --> 01:04:01,960
Speaker 3: of the samples of your relatives and see what you

1335
01:04:02,080 --> 01:04:06,280
Speaker 3: are genetically predisposed to pre diabetic. Oh, let's add five

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01:04:06,400 --> 01:04:08,680
Speaker 3: more dollars a month to your premium. You won't even

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01:04:08,760 --> 01:04:10,800
Speaker 3: notice it. You'll just think that that's your quote. You

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01:04:11,000 --> 01:04:15,280
Speaker 3: also have something called an LM, which would easily be

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01:04:15,440 --> 01:04:19,320
Speaker 3: able to use AI and others to scrub those and

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01:04:19,520 --> 01:04:22,520
Speaker 3: flag let's say the top ten percent of the most

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01:04:22,840 --> 01:04:27,320
Speaker 3: unsurable people and then do everything you can bureaucratically to

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01:04:27,440 --> 01:04:30,200
Speaker 3: make sure that those people never become a customer of

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01:04:30,360 --> 01:04:33,280
Speaker 3: yours and give them a sky high premium whenever they apply,

1344
01:04:33,560 --> 01:04:36,160
Speaker 3: or let's say, deny them coverage here or there, and

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01:04:36,240 --> 01:04:38,960
Speaker 3: you can move things in a direction. And you know,

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01:04:39,360 --> 01:04:42,919
Speaker 3: if you're let's say United Health Group or Blue Cloth

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01:04:43,080 --> 01:04:44,800
Speaker 3: Cross or any of these other people, you have market

1348
01:04:44,840 --> 01:04:47,640
Speaker 3: caps in the hundreds of billions. This isn't going to

1349
01:04:47,680 --> 01:04:49,760
Speaker 3: cost anything to be able to buy this, and the

1350
01:04:49,920 --> 01:04:52,920
Speaker 3: potential savings for you in the future sky.

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Speaker 4: High, rare. Moment to be a tiny bit grateful to Obamacare,

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01:04:58,080 --> 01:05:01,920
Speaker 4: which really because before Obamacare there was no ceiling on

1353
01:05:02,160 --> 01:05:05,120
Speaker 4: what you could charge for somebody with a pre existing condition,

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01:05:05,200 --> 01:05:07,920
Speaker 4: and in fact, if you were a cancer survivor, you

1355
01:05:08,040 --> 01:05:11,920
Speaker 4: could be straight up told no, we're actually not going

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01:05:12,000 --> 01:05:16,320
Speaker 4: to ensure you. Obamacare said you can. You basically have

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01:05:16,440 --> 01:05:20,800
Speaker 4: to keep it within this range and you can't move

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Speaker 4: it much. And so, but what they will do is

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Speaker 4: they would use this data and move the people that

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Speaker 4: they can all the way up up to hear he'd

1361
01:05:28,600 --> 01:05:30,440
Speaker 4: be like, oh gee, why how'd that happened? And you

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01:05:30,520 --> 01:05:32,320
Speaker 4: don't even know because it wasn't even your DNA that

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01:05:32,360 --> 01:05:33,680
Speaker 4: got tested somebody else's.

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Speaker 1: Well, I mean, the craziest thing.

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Speaker 3: And I really have complicated feelings about this one, right,

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01:05:38,480 --> 01:05:41,160
Speaker 3: because we all love when the Golden State killer gets caught.

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Speaker 1: Oh that's fantastic. It's like, well, how did they do it?

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Speaker 3: Well, they took his DNA and they uploaded it to

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01:05:45,480 --> 01:05:47,560
Speaker 3: like ten different websites, and they found his fourth cousin,

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Speaker 3: and they worked his way down from the fourth cousin.

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Speaker 1: Down this tree.

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Speaker 3: And then we figured out this was the only guy

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Speaker 3: who could have done it.

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01:05:53,960 --> 01:05:55,520
Speaker 4: And you're like, I don't know, man.

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Speaker 1: It's pretty creepy.

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01:05:57,120 --> 01:05:57,560
Speaker 4: That's weird.

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01:05:58,080 --> 01:05:58,919
Speaker 1: He was just the first.

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Speaker 3: There's been multiple killer actually, who are rapists who have

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Speaker 3: been caught because by using this DNA database since twenty twenty.

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Speaker 3: They're fascinating stories to read, but they do raise a

1381
01:06:09,440 --> 01:06:13,360
Speaker 3: lot of questions about privacy, et cetera. And here it's

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01:06:13,400 --> 01:06:15,400
Speaker 3: a private company. They can do whatever they want with

1383
01:06:15,480 --> 01:06:17,840
Speaker 3: this Ryan. Yes, they have to abide by some regulation.

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01:06:17,960 --> 01:06:20,960
Speaker 3: You have regulators who have to approve any said sale.

1385
01:06:21,200 --> 01:06:24,080
Speaker 3: But I mean that healthcare one I just gave. There's

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01:06:24,120 --> 01:06:27,520
Speaker 3: nothing technically that violates your privacy about that one, right,

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01:06:27,600 --> 01:06:31,120
Speaker 3: it's just that it would be used for super dystopian ends.

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01:06:31,200 --> 01:06:33,360
Speaker 3: So it's one of those where look, I never I

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01:06:33,480 --> 01:06:36,400
Speaker 3: never participated in one of these specifically because I was

1390
01:06:36,400 --> 01:06:39,439
Speaker 3: always afraid of things like this, and so I guess

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01:06:39,880 --> 01:06:43,120
Speaker 3: if they really will delete your data, it's worth trying,

1392
01:06:43,440 --> 01:06:45,480
Speaker 3: you know, right now, because this is scary stuff. And

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01:06:45,520 --> 01:06:48,000
Speaker 3: don't forget that already twenty three and me had been

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01:06:48,040 --> 01:06:50,360
Speaker 3: hacked previously. Let's put it up there on the screen.

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01:06:50,640 --> 01:06:54,000
Speaker 3: This was just you know, a few years ago. Yeah,

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01:06:54,040 --> 01:06:57,480
Speaker 3: February of twenty twenty four, hackers got nearly seven million

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01:06:57,520 --> 01:07:00,720
Speaker 3: people's data from twenty three and meters. The firm blamed

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01:07:00,880 --> 01:07:05,080
Speaker 3: users quote for not securing it enough. This was I

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01:07:05,120 --> 01:07:07,200
Speaker 3: believe it was sold on the dark web or others.

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01:07:07,240 --> 01:07:09,920
Speaker 3: And there's apparently been allegations that the Chinese government and

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01:07:10,080 --> 01:07:13,280
Speaker 3: other large data brokerages have been trying and stealing this

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01:07:13,360 --> 01:07:15,600
Speaker 3: stuff now for years and years. So this is just

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01:07:15,680 --> 01:07:18,960
Speaker 3: a wake up call really about the entire industry. And

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01:07:19,040 --> 01:07:21,920
Speaker 3: I hope that everybody pays attention. If you did submit

1405
01:07:22,000 --> 01:07:24,200
Speaker 3: your data to one of these, you know, maybe try

1406
01:07:24,240 --> 01:07:25,600
Speaker 3: and go and delete it after they've.

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01:07:25,440 --> 01:07:27,600
Speaker 1: Given what it is, or alert your relatives.

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01:07:27,640 --> 01:07:29,200
Speaker 3: I know, a lot of elderly people were doing People

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01:07:29,200 --> 01:07:30,720
Speaker 3: were giving it as gifts because they thought it was fun,

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01:07:30,800 --> 01:07:32,800
Speaker 3: and I totally get it, you know, for looking back

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01:07:32,840 --> 01:07:34,720
Speaker 3: into it. But they're real downside here, you know, in

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01:07:34,880 --> 01:07:38,200
Speaker 3: terms of what this could all become, especially in the

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01:07:38,280 --> 01:07:40,520
Speaker 3: age of AI. I think it's very scary filming that

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01:07:40,680 --> 01:07:42,920
Speaker 3: has been flagged to me by multiple different people, and

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01:07:42,960 --> 01:07:45,320
Speaker 3: I have noticed this one hit a nerve. The twenty

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01:07:45,360 --> 01:07:48,120
Speaker 3: three and me people are really upset at the idea

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01:07:48,440 --> 01:07:51,240
Speaker 3: that their you know, most intimate thing about themselves and

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01:07:51,240 --> 01:07:54,120
Speaker 3: their bodies, their genetics, their family could be used for

1419
01:07:54,200 --> 01:07:56,840
Speaker 3: such nefarious purposes. They were assured that this was just

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01:07:56,920 --> 01:08:00,120
Speaker 3: about ancestry, and now that the company's in bankruptcy, it

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01:08:00,240 --> 01:08:03,960
Speaker 3: literally they have a fiduciary responsibility to seek the highest.

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01:08:03,640 --> 01:08:06,800
Speaker 4: Better I think that we should trust whatever company chairman

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01:08:06,920 --> 01:08:09,400
Speaker 4: she sends out to buy this data to use it

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01:08:09,920 --> 01:08:12,280
Speaker 4: in a way that is best for the beneficial for mankind,

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01:08:12,720 --> 01:08:14,320
Speaker 4: mankind and our collective betterment.

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01:08:14,360 --> 01:08:16,640
Speaker 3: All right, yeah, movie, right, Ryan, Maybe we should just

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01:08:16,680 --> 01:08:20,800
Speaker 3: surrender to our Chinese overlords, which is a good transition to,

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01:08:21,360 --> 01:08:24,439
Speaker 3: of course, something that we uh near and dear. Here

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01:08:24,520 --> 01:08:26,320
Speaker 3: to the show's heart, which is the state of the

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01:08:26,360 --> 01:08:32,320
Speaker 3: electric vehicle market. It's just unbelievable that the world's greatest

1431
01:08:32,320 --> 01:08:35,439
Speaker 3: electric vehicles are not here in the United States, and

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01:08:36,240 --> 01:08:40,080
Speaker 3: we are being lapped and crushed so deeply that influencers

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01:08:40,120 --> 01:08:42,559
Speaker 3: and others who are really into cars, who don't even

1434
01:08:42,600 --> 01:08:46,639
Speaker 3: think about geopolitics or any of that, are experiencing them

1435
01:08:46,920 --> 01:08:49,280
Speaker 3: and posting videos for nerds like me to be able

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01:08:49,320 --> 01:08:51,200
Speaker 3: to watch and lust after these.

1437
01:08:51,720 --> 01:08:53,600
Speaker 1: Look I say this with no pleasure. It gives me

1438
01:08:53,680 --> 01:08:54,160
Speaker 1: no pleasure.

1439
01:08:54,439 --> 01:08:55,960
Speaker 4: You know what was gives me the pleasure?

1440
01:08:56,000 --> 01:08:57,320
Speaker 3: What did the least men to say? She was like,

1441
01:08:57,360 --> 01:08:59,400
Speaker 3: it gives me no pleasure to report this that we're

1442
01:08:59,400 --> 01:08:59,960
Speaker 3: getting destry.

1443
01:09:00,600 --> 01:09:01,679
Speaker 1: They we're getting destroyed.

1444
01:09:01,760 --> 01:09:04,960
Speaker 3: Here here's a video of very popular streamer I Show

1445
01:09:05,000 --> 01:09:08,280
Speaker 3: Speed otherwise known as Speed, apparently a very popular guy

1446
01:09:08,360 --> 01:09:12,160
Speaker 3: here in America, experiencing a Chinese vehicle for the first time.

1447
01:09:12,560 --> 01:09:15,040
Speaker 1: Blown away by how fast it is. Let's take a listen.

1448
01:09:15,320 --> 01:09:19,720
Speaker 1: Gord called retall us about six seventy thousand dollars.

1449
01:09:19,880 --> 01:09:22,480
Speaker 8: Seventy thousand, and it's faster than my Lamborghinea.

1450
01:09:22,680 --> 01:09:25,559
Speaker 11: Unfortunately it is an it's electric, all right, So I'm

1451
01:09:25,640 --> 01:09:29,080
Speaker 11: doing a little total Let me see, let me see.

1452
01:09:32,200 --> 01:09:35,200
Speaker 4: That's all whoa faster than that?

1453
01:09:36,439 --> 01:09:40,519
Speaker 3: Bro, ain't no way, yo?

1454
01:09:41,280 --> 01:09:43,799
Speaker 1: Maybe a little more up to sevent bro hold.

1455
01:09:43,680 --> 01:09:44,360
Speaker 8: On at.

1456
01:09:45,800 --> 01:09:47,120
Speaker 4: Yo, ain't no way?

1457
01:09:48,360 --> 01:09:48,680
Speaker 9: All right?

1458
01:09:48,920 --> 01:09:55,559
Speaker 8: Really yeah, I'm ready. So he calls seventy thousand.

1459
01:09:56,479 --> 01:09:56,800
Speaker 3: That's it.

1460
01:09:58,360 --> 01:10:01,360
Speaker 4: My Limborghinea calls two hundred fifty thousand dollars.

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01:10:01,439 --> 01:10:05,680
Speaker 8: Lest planning China costs about one hundred of bit more

1462
01:10:05,720 --> 01:10:07,040
Speaker 8: one hundred What the hell?

1463
01:10:08,000 --> 01:10:10,439
Speaker 1: It just funny to watch them react there.

1464
01:10:10,640 --> 01:10:13,080
Speaker 3: I mean, I guess it's comparable to a Tesla Model

1465
01:10:13,200 --> 01:10:15,920
Speaker 3: Sue Plaid in terms of zero sixty speed, but the

1466
01:10:16,240 --> 01:10:18,840
Speaker 3: cost differential there is a pretty significant I'm not sure

1467
01:10:18,880 --> 01:10:20,800
Speaker 3: what a models Plaid would running these days, probably like

1468
01:10:20,800 --> 01:10:23,200
Speaker 3: one hundred thousand, one hundred and twenty thousands of fifty

1469
01:10:23,240 --> 01:10:24,439
Speaker 3: thousand dollars cheaper.

1470
01:10:24,560 --> 01:10:25,880
Speaker 4: The reason why we're of magnitude more.

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01:10:25,920 --> 01:10:26,479
Speaker 1: Yeah, I wanted to.

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01:10:26,600 --> 01:10:30,800
Speaker 3: Highlight this because the sales numbers out of BYD are insane.

1473
01:10:30,880 --> 01:10:33,120
Speaker 1: Let's go and put this up there. Just came out yesterday.

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01:10:33,360 --> 01:10:37,479
Speaker 3: The annual sales have now topped one hundred billion dollars

1475
01:10:37,880 --> 01:10:41,760
Speaker 3: as of yesterday. This is the I mean, twenty nine

1476
01:10:41,840 --> 01:10:46,320
Speaker 3: percent increase in overall BYD revenue just from last year.

1477
01:10:46,920 --> 01:10:48,320
Speaker 4: I can't even think of a car company in the.

1478
01:10:48,360 --> 01:10:50,920
Speaker 3: United States because twenty nine percent increase year over year

1479
01:10:51,200 --> 01:10:55,439
Speaker 3: in its sales domination one hundred billion dollar level, huge

1480
01:10:55,520 --> 01:10:59,720
Speaker 3: percentage of those compared to last year actually being exported

1481
01:10:59,880 --> 01:11:03,599
Speaker 3: across the world, it says, quote, Unlike it's US rival Tesla,

1482
01:11:03,680 --> 01:11:06,800
Speaker 3: which sells only fully electric vehicles and reported revenue of

1483
01:11:06,880 --> 01:11:09,800
Speaker 3: ninety eight billion, China has benefited from the resurgent demand

1484
01:11:09,880 --> 01:11:13,760
Speaker 3: in China for hybrid vehicles. This is BYD specifically, And

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01:11:13,800 --> 01:11:16,200
Speaker 3: I actually thought, that's the most interesting thing that I've

1486
01:11:16,280 --> 01:11:19,120
Speaker 3: learned about all of this is their plug in hybrid

1487
01:11:19,240 --> 01:11:22,160
Speaker 3: market is just so fundamentally different than ours.

1488
01:11:22,240 --> 01:11:22,920
Speaker 1: I looked into it.

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01:11:23,040 --> 01:11:25,040
Speaker 3: The farthest range of probaug in hybrid you can get

1490
01:11:25,080 --> 01:11:27,120
Speaker 3: in the United States, it's something like four hundred or

1491
01:11:27,200 --> 01:11:32,000
Speaker 3: so miles. We're talking here about cars that have thirteen hundred.

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01:11:32,080 --> 01:11:34,240
Speaker 3: Put the next one up there, just to show people

1493
01:11:34,720 --> 01:11:38,040
Speaker 3: plug in hybrid with thirteen hundred miles of total range,

1494
01:11:38,080 --> 01:11:38,879
Speaker 3: and we're talking.

1495
01:11:38,720 --> 01:11:41,920
Speaker 4: This is like a sedan right now. Look at all

1496
01:11:41,920 --> 01:11:43,759
Speaker 4: the Alexis that can get six or seven hundred.

1497
01:11:43,760 --> 01:11:45,040
Speaker 1: Now, oh, is there I didn't.

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01:11:45,040 --> 01:11:45,280
Speaker 4: I don't.

1499
01:11:45,400 --> 01:11:46,800
Speaker 3: That may not have been available in the US though,

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01:11:46,800 --> 01:11:49,479
Speaker 3: from what I looked at a car and driver or whatever.

1501
01:11:49,600 --> 01:11:52,200
Speaker 3: And you know, Toyota RAB for prime is good at

1502
01:11:52,240 --> 01:11:55,559
Speaker 3: get It's got a forty mile electric battery. It's like, okay, cool,

1503
01:11:55,960 --> 01:11:58,439
Speaker 3: these guys have three hundred electric mile battery plus a

1504
01:11:58,479 --> 01:11:59,920
Speaker 3: eight hundred miles take a gas.

1505
01:12:00,240 --> 01:12:02,840
Speaker 4: That's incredible. It means like you don't have to stop.

1506
01:12:03,080 --> 01:12:03,559
Speaker 1: It's awesome.

1507
01:12:04,560 --> 01:12:07,479
Speaker 3: The point, first of all, put the caveats from a

1508
01:12:07,520 --> 01:12:09,559
Speaker 3: lot of the America firsters, like, oh, they're lying about

1509
01:12:09,560 --> 01:12:12,360
Speaker 3: their range. EPA range very different than the Chinese range.

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01:12:12,360 --> 01:12:13,920
Speaker 3: You have to chop thirty five percent. I'm like, okay,

1511
01:12:13,960 --> 01:12:15,880
Speaker 3: I'll chop thirty five percent off. It's still double then

1512
01:12:15,960 --> 01:12:19,000
Speaker 3: whatever we get over here. It is just obvious now

1513
01:12:19,240 --> 01:12:22,280
Speaker 3: every serious industrial person, I speak to, every serious cars person,

1514
01:12:22,320 --> 01:12:24,880
Speaker 3: I speak to every serious car reviewer, and all that.

1515
01:12:25,040 --> 01:12:26,960
Speaker 1: If you are interested at all in.

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01:12:27,040 --> 01:12:29,479
Speaker 3: Electric vehicles, the Chinese are kicking our ass. There's just

1517
01:12:29,560 --> 01:12:32,040
Speaker 3: no question about it. And their ability to have sales

1518
01:12:32,280 --> 01:12:35,479
Speaker 3: and export all across the global market is disrupting a

1519
01:12:35,640 --> 01:12:38,920
Speaker 3: core part of American industry, and we just have no

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01:12:39,680 --> 01:12:44,040
Speaker 3: capability yet for catch up, no plan, nothing, It just

1521
01:12:44,240 --> 01:12:48,000
Speaker 3: directly shows the difference in our two economic models. My

1522
01:12:48,080 --> 01:12:50,679
Speaker 3: friend Joe Weisenthal has a great statistic, so I actually

1523
01:12:50,720 --> 01:12:52,200
Speaker 3: want to read it to all of you.

1524
01:12:52,680 --> 01:12:55,280
Speaker 4: It is let's see here, here we go.

1525
01:12:55,479 --> 01:12:57,200
Speaker 3: One of the most important facts about the world is

1526
01:12:57,240 --> 01:12:59,400
Speaker 3: that in the last fifteen years, China has become the

1527
01:12:59,439 --> 01:13:01,800
Speaker 3: global manufacturing powerhouse.

1528
01:13:01,360 --> 01:13:02,879
Speaker 4: At the cutting edge of multiple industries.

1529
01:13:03,120 --> 01:13:06,400
Speaker 3: But the Shanghai Composite stock index is scarcely above where

1530
01:13:06,439 --> 01:13:07,559
Speaker 3: it was in two thousand and nine.

1531
01:13:07,760 --> 01:13:10,280
Speaker 4: So our stocks are way up. But is our material

1532
01:13:10,360 --> 01:13:13,240
Speaker 4: life all that better? You should ask that question for yourself.

1533
01:13:13,400 --> 01:13:14,960
Speaker 4: Our meme stocks are way up.

1534
01:13:15,000 --> 01:13:16,240
Speaker 1: Yeah, Armies, Yeah, that's right.

1535
01:13:16,720 --> 01:13:17,760
Speaker 4: Let's look at how we got here.

1536
01:13:17,880 --> 01:13:18,080
Speaker 1: Yeah.

1537
01:13:18,120 --> 01:13:21,760
Speaker 4: In the nineteen sixties, LBJ gave a speech about climate change.

1538
01:13:22,800 --> 01:13:26,680
Speaker 4: In the nineteen seventies, Jimmy Carter put solar panels on

1539
01:13:26,720 --> 01:13:31,680
Speaker 4: the roof of the White House, though Reagan took them

1540
01:13:31,760 --> 01:13:36,639
Speaker 4: off amid a massive disinformation and lobbying campaign from big

1541
01:13:36,720 --> 01:13:41,040
Speaker 4: oil and big Auto, and they and big oil and

1542
01:13:41,040 --> 01:13:44,479
Speaker 4: big Auto spent the next three decades saying, at first

1543
01:13:44,520 --> 01:13:46,960
Speaker 4: there was no climate change, and also what we need

1544
01:13:47,040 --> 01:13:52,840
Speaker 4: to do is block the EPA from even raising mileage standards,

1545
01:13:53,160 --> 01:13:55,320
Speaker 4: so like for a while in the nineties you started

1546
01:13:55,360 --> 01:13:58,800
Speaker 4: to actually see mileage standards go up, so we weren't

1547
01:13:58,800 --> 01:14:01,479
Speaker 4: getting electric vehicles, but at least like you were getting

1548
01:14:01,479 --> 01:14:04,599
Speaker 4: a little bit more per gallon. And that was even

1549
01:14:04,640 --> 01:14:07,000
Speaker 4: too much of a threat to the to the oil companies,

1550
01:14:07,479 --> 01:14:10,200
Speaker 4: and so they roll that back and then we do

1551
01:14:10,360 --> 01:14:12,080
Speaker 4: an entire war in the Middle East to make sure

1552
01:14:12,120 --> 01:14:14,640
Speaker 4: we have more oil. Like that is our That was

1553
01:14:14,720 --> 01:14:19,519
Speaker 4: the American strategic approach to this recognition that a transition

1554
01:14:20,240 --> 01:14:23,720
Speaker 4: was coming. China is like, let's build up a manufacturing

1555
01:14:23,760 --> 01:14:28,200
Speaker 4: base using American no how and then build up this

1556
01:14:29,280 --> 01:14:34,320
Speaker 4: a dominant electric vehicle manufacturing capacity. And here we are,

1557
01:14:34,560 --> 01:14:38,840
Speaker 4: like they can now sell these dope cars for like

1558
01:14:38,960 --> 01:14:42,120
Speaker 4: thirteen thousand dollars even with one hundred percent tariff, they

1559
01:14:42,120 --> 01:14:43,519
Speaker 4: would be able to sell them here in the US.

1560
01:14:43,600 --> 01:14:45,559
Speaker 4: So they're gonna have to like do a two hundred

1561
01:14:45,560 --> 01:14:49,160
Speaker 4: percent or they're market complete. I actually looked into it

1562
01:14:49,439 --> 01:14:51,240
Speaker 4: because I'm curious. By the way, Yeah, let me do

1563
01:14:51,280 --> 01:14:53,599
Speaker 4: this announcement now. I would like, I think it's time

1564
01:14:53,920 --> 01:14:55,760
Speaker 4: I need to drive one of these things. I've got

1565
01:14:55,880 --> 01:14:57,240
Speaker 4: to So if you have a laun up.

1566
01:14:57,520 --> 01:14:59,639
Speaker 3: If you know anybody out there who has a connection

1567
01:14:59,760 --> 01:15:02,040
Speaker 3: to a BYD to a zoom, can you drive them

1568
01:15:02,080 --> 01:15:03,479
Speaker 3: in the US or do you have to people do

1569
01:15:03,640 --> 01:15:06,000
Speaker 3: have them here. I think I forget exactly legally the

1570
01:15:06,040 --> 01:15:07,519
Speaker 3: loophole that they're able to import them.

1571
01:15:07,560 --> 01:15:09,000
Speaker 4: I think maybe car companies and others.

1572
01:15:09,040 --> 01:15:11,479
Speaker 3: I've seen car YouTubers, you know, people who've been able

1573
01:15:11,520 --> 01:15:15,960
Speaker 3: to get their hands on at this time, it's now time. Specifically,

1574
01:15:16,000 --> 01:15:19,160
Speaker 3: I'm in love with the Yang Wang eight. It's like

1575
01:15:19,200 --> 01:15:22,920
Speaker 3: a land Rover Defender style BYD luxury vehicle.

1576
01:15:23,000 --> 01:15:23,559
Speaker 4: It's awesome.

1577
01:15:23,920 --> 01:15:25,280
Speaker 3: I need to drive it. I need to get my

1578
01:15:25,360 --> 01:15:27,920
Speaker 3: hands on any BYD so and maybe I can produce

1579
01:15:27,960 --> 01:15:30,080
Speaker 3: one of these videos for the Breaking Points channel. So

1580
01:15:30,320 --> 01:15:32,720
Speaker 3: anybody out there please reach out to us if you

1581
01:15:32,760 --> 01:15:34,720
Speaker 3: have a line on a byd Ao me. I'll drive

1582
01:15:34,760 --> 01:15:38,080
Speaker 3: anything if it's an electric vehicle made in China. I

1583
01:15:38,160 --> 01:15:39,800
Speaker 3: just want to see what the competition is like and

1584
01:15:39,920 --> 01:15:42,080
Speaker 3: not just have to watch other people's videos. But with that,

1585
01:15:42,200 --> 01:15:44,559
Speaker 3: we've got a great guest standing by Jefferson Morley, one

1586
01:15:44,560 --> 01:15:47,080
Speaker 3: of the most preeminent journalists on the JFK assassination. He

1587
01:15:47,280 --> 01:15:48,920
Speaker 3: was going to break down the files for US.

1588
01:15:52,080 --> 01:15:54,360
Speaker 4: One week ago today there was a large release from

1589
01:15:54,400 --> 01:15:57,840
Speaker 4: the JFK archive. And you all know who we're going

1590
01:15:57,920 --> 01:15:59,360
Speaker 4: to ask to come on to talk about It's our

1591
01:15:59,360 --> 01:16:03,599
Speaker 4: friend of the show, Jefferson Morley uh, veteran journalist who

1592
01:16:03,680 --> 01:16:07,639
Speaker 4: has been going through these records for many decades.

1593
01:16:07,720 --> 01:16:07,840
Speaker 6: Now.

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01:16:08,200 --> 01:16:09,640
Speaker 4: Yeah, we won't. We don't want to. We don't want

1595
01:16:09,680 --> 01:16:13,120
Speaker 4: to date you. It's thank you a couple of years. Yeah,

1596
01:16:13,479 --> 01:16:16,160
Speaker 4: it's been a few months at least, and we wanted

1597
01:16:16,200 --> 01:16:19,000
Speaker 4: to wait to have you on so that you had

1598
01:16:19,040 --> 01:16:22,240
Speaker 4: time to kind of digest. You know, when stuff first

1599
01:16:22,400 --> 01:16:24,080
Speaker 4: comes out, you're like, oh wow, look at this. You're like,

1600
01:16:24,080 --> 01:16:25,640
Speaker 4: oh wait, they already released this. They just put a

1601
01:16:25,680 --> 01:16:28,559
Speaker 4: different date on it and did a different kind of redaction.

1602
01:16:29,040 --> 01:16:31,000
Speaker 8: I had that familiar dismal experience.

1603
01:16:31,160 --> 01:16:35,240
Speaker 11: Fifteen minutes after the sixty thousand pages of material drop,

1604
01:16:35,280 --> 01:16:37,000
Speaker 11: I get a call and somebody say, is there a

1605
01:16:37,040 --> 01:16:40,240
Speaker 11: smoking gun? And I say, well, I'm only reading the

1606
01:16:40,360 --> 01:16:45,040
Speaker 11: third document of the six So yes, after a week,

1607
01:16:45,120 --> 01:16:48,760
Speaker 11: we've had a chance to absorb and figure out what's

1608
01:16:48,840 --> 01:16:49,479
Speaker 11: important here.

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01:16:49,600 --> 01:16:52,360
Speaker 8: So there's a couple of things. You know, we need

1610
01:16:52,439 --> 01:16:53,040
Speaker 8: to step back.

1611
01:16:53,560 --> 01:16:55,240
Speaker 11: We're not going to get the answer in the day

1612
01:16:56,080 --> 01:16:58,519
Speaker 11: people want a smoking gun, I say, don't look for

1613
01:16:58,600 --> 01:17:01,080
Speaker 11: a smoking gun, look for a fact pattern.

1614
01:17:01,240 --> 01:17:04,400
Speaker 8: Yes, okay, don't push the string of a theory.

1615
01:17:04,720 --> 01:17:07,000
Speaker 11: Look for a fact pattern, and let the fact pattern

1616
01:17:07,120 --> 01:17:11,160
Speaker 11: tell you what's really going on here. And after sixty years,

1617
01:17:11,280 --> 01:17:14,680
Speaker 11: with this very significant disclosure that we got last week,

1618
01:17:15,200 --> 01:17:17,840
Speaker 11: the story of what happened in nineteen sixty three is

1619
01:17:17,920 --> 01:17:22,960
Speaker 11: becoming clearer. Two documents came out that I think are

1620
01:17:23,000 --> 01:17:24,720
Speaker 11: really important, and they kind of set the stage for

1621
01:17:24,800 --> 01:17:26,960
Speaker 11: what we're going to learn and what we have learned.

1622
01:17:27,520 --> 01:17:29,960
Speaker 11: And you know, I want to caution you people, this

1623
01:17:30,040 --> 01:17:33,840
Speaker 11: is a very complicated story. We're talking about covert operations,

1624
01:17:33,920 --> 01:17:38,400
Speaker 11: so they're wrapped in official secrecy, they're wrapped in deceptive statements,

1625
01:17:38,520 --> 01:17:40,840
Speaker 11: and we're only learning about them many years later. But

1626
01:17:41,240 --> 01:17:43,200
Speaker 11: as we learn about them, we do see a new

1627
01:17:43,280 --> 01:17:45,519
Speaker 11: fact pattern. So that's one thing. Okay, what are the

1628
01:17:45,560 --> 01:17:48,000
Speaker 11: important documents? The first, I think is one that really

1629
01:17:48,080 --> 01:17:50,880
Speaker 11: sets the stage. It's a memo that Arthur Schlessinger wrote

1630
01:17:50,880 --> 01:17:51,719
Speaker 11: to President Kennedy.

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01:17:51,760 --> 01:17:52,479
Speaker 1: Is the F two.

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01:17:52,560 --> 01:17:53,920
Speaker 4: If we can put this out, let's put it up

1633
01:17:53,920 --> 01:17:54,320
Speaker 4: on the screen.

1634
01:17:54,640 --> 01:17:54,800
Speaker 8: Yeah.

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01:17:55,200 --> 01:17:57,640
Speaker 11: The whole page of this document had been secret for

1636
01:17:57,760 --> 01:18:00,800
Speaker 11: sixty two years on you can see that on the

1637
01:18:00,920 --> 01:18:03,439
Speaker 11: left and on the right it was what we got

1638
01:18:03,600 --> 01:18:06,479
Speaker 11: last week. And this is a very significant chapter because

1639
01:18:06,960 --> 01:18:10,719
Speaker 11: what's this memo? Kennedy is furious after the Bay of Pigs.

1640
01:18:10,800 --> 01:18:13,280
Speaker 11: He felt that the CIA was trying to impose their

1641
01:18:13,400 --> 01:18:16,920
Speaker 11: foreign policy on him, and he said, how could I

1642
01:18:16,960 --> 01:18:19,800
Speaker 11: have been so dumb? And he raised there's a quote

1643
01:18:19,840 --> 01:18:21,559
Speaker 11: that you'll see all the time. I want to split

1644
01:18:21,640 --> 01:18:24,240
Speaker 11: the CIA into a thousand pieces and scattered to the winds.

1645
01:18:24,520 --> 01:18:26,640
Speaker 11: He said that to a New York Times reporter who

1646
01:18:26,760 --> 01:18:30,160
Speaker 11: reported it later. But when Kennedy calmed down, he said, well,

1647
01:18:30,240 --> 01:18:32,640
Speaker 11: you know what can I do? And Arthur's Lessons or

1648
01:18:32,640 --> 01:18:34,439
Speaker 11: a liberal advisor, said well, what you could do is

1649
01:18:34,479 --> 01:18:37,200
Speaker 11: you could reorganize the CIA, and he writes a long

1650
01:18:37,280 --> 01:18:39,679
Speaker 11: memo's if you want to do that, mister president, here's

1651
01:18:39,680 --> 01:18:41,600
Speaker 11: how you do it, and here's why you do it.

1652
01:18:42,120 --> 01:18:45,639
Speaker 11: And this page that was kept secret for sixty years

1653
01:18:45,720 --> 01:18:48,960
Speaker 11: really tells the why of what Kennedy wanted to do. Now,

1654
01:18:49,080 --> 01:18:52,240
Speaker 11: ultimately Kenny didn't do it right. It's a big job

1655
01:18:52,280 --> 01:18:55,080
Speaker 11: to reorganize the CIA. He had other priorities. He decided

1656
01:18:55,120 --> 01:18:57,120
Speaker 11: not to do it. But this is an insight into

1657
01:18:57,200 --> 01:18:59,880
Speaker 11: his thinking, and it's an insight into his thinking that

1658
01:19:00,120 --> 01:19:03,080
Speaker 11: the CIA didn't want anybody to know what that Why?

1659
01:19:03,240 --> 01:19:03,640
Speaker 6: What is it?

1660
01:19:04,240 --> 01:19:05,120
Speaker 4: What does it tell us?

1661
01:19:05,680 --> 01:19:06,840
Speaker 8: It tells us a bunch of things.

1662
01:19:07,240 --> 01:19:10,559
Speaker 11: What Cezenger is talking about in this passage is what's

1663
01:19:10,560 --> 01:19:14,680
Speaker 11: called controlled American sources. These are American sources that are

1664
01:19:14,760 --> 01:19:18,320
Speaker 11: we totally control CIA officers who work for the US

1665
01:19:18,439 --> 01:19:22,640
Speaker 11: government in official cover positions. And Selessenger says, you know,

1666
01:19:23,120 --> 01:19:26,759
Speaker 11: the CIA is encroaching on your foreign policy. And he says,

1667
01:19:27,560 --> 01:19:30,600
Speaker 11: at the time of year inauguration, forty seven percent of

1668
01:19:30,720 --> 01:19:34,920
Speaker 11: the State Department political officers around the world were in

1669
01:19:35,040 --> 01:19:38,960
Speaker 11: fact CIA office forty seven percent. We knew a lot

1670
01:19:39,000 --> 01:19:42,840
Speaker 11: of CIA officers took those cover positions, we didn't know

1671
01:19:43,040 --> 01:19:45,719
Speaker 11: half of they had half of them. That's in nineteen sixty,

1672
01:19:45,760 --> 01:19:48,759
Speaker 11: I mean, and it made me wonder, what's that figure today?

1673
01:19:49,400 --> 01:19:52,040
Speaker 8: And you know what Deep States probably just you know,

1674
01:19:53,600 --> 01:19:57,360
Speaker 8: it's a classified secret. So this is very sensitive stuff.

1675
01:19:58,400 --> 01:20:00,439
Speaker 11: One hundred and twenty three people were working in the

1676
01:20:00,520 --> 01:20:04,400
Speaker 11: Paris embassy were with the CIA, and in there Flessenger

1677
01:20:04,479 --> 01:20:09,000
Speaker 11: tells a very telling anecdote in nineteen sixty one, there

1678
01:20:09,120 --> 01:20:12,120
Speaker 11: was an attempted coup against French President Charles de Gaul.

1679
01:20:12,680 --> 01:20:15,760
Speaker 8: He was trying to pull out of Algeria. Algeria was

1680
01:20:15,840 --> 01:20:17,799
Speaker 8: kind of like Vietnam for America.

1681
01:20:18,000 --> 01:20:22,080
Speaker 11: It was like this intractable foreign involvement and just ultimately

1682
01:20:22,120 --> 01:20:24,840
Speaker 11: we just had to get out. But very divisive at home,

1683
01:20:25,160 --> 01:20:27,280
Speaker 11: and so divisive in fact, that the right wing in

1684
01:20:27,439 --> 01:20:30,760
Speaker 11: the French government went after de Gaul and they were

1685
01:20:30,800 --> 01:20:31,680
Speaker 11: going to overthrow him.

1686
01:20:31,720 --> 01:20:33,439
Speaker 8: And the story was that it was known that.

1687
01:20:33,520 --> 01:20:36,240
Speaker 11: The CIA station in Paris was on the top floor

1688
01:20:36,280 --> 01:20:39,000
Speaker 11: of the US embassy, and the story was the lights

1689
01:20:39,040 --> 01:20:41,960
Speaker 11: in the embassy were on all night on the night

1690
01:20:42,040 --> 01:20:45,280
Speaker 11: of the of the coup, and de Gaull always thought

1691
01:20:45,320 --> 01:20:48,679
Speaker 11: that the CIA was behind that coup. A year later,

1692
01:20:48,880 --> 01:20:52,080
Speaker 11: when a group of assassins from the same right wing

1693
01:20:52,240 --> 01:20:55,920
Speaker 11: faction try and ambush to Gaull on it when he's

1694
01:20:55,960 --> 01:20:59,920
Speaker 11: going to his country house and almost succeed.

1695
01:21:00,800 --> 01:21:02,280
Speaker 8: Unlike Kennedy, Degall.

1696
01:21:02,000 --> 01:21:04,639
Speaker 11: Had a very good driver and when the shots rang out,

1697
01:21:04,680 --> 01:21:07,160
Speaker 11: he did exactly the right thing and evaded the gunfire

1698
01:21:07,720 --> 01:21:10,879
Speaker 11: and de Gaull escaped. But de Gall thought the CIA

1699
01:21:11,000 --> 01:21:14,400
Speaker 11: knew about that attempt on his life and Degall never

1700
01:21:14,520 --> 01:21:18,560
Speaker 11: believed the official story of the assassination. So that story, this,

1701
01:21:18,920 --> 01:21:22,840
Speaker 11: this memo, that page is the origin story of the

1702
01:21:22,920 --> 01:21:27,160
Speaker 11: mistrust between the CIA, between Kennedy and the CIA that

1703
01:21:27,240 --> 01:21:29,240
Speaker 11: would endure for the rest of his presidency.

1704
01:21:29,479 --> 01:21:29,599
Speaker 9: Right.

1705
01:21:29,760 --> 01:21:31,840
Speaker 1: I think it's so important for you to lay that

1706
01:21:32,040 --> 01:21:32,479
Speaker 1: out in.

1707
01:21:32,520 --> 01:21:34,720
Speaker 4: The suspicion that the CIA might assassinate it.

1708
01:21:36,200 --> 01:21:40,000
Speaker 1: So what is the decision tree that flows from this memo?

1709
01:21:40,360 --> 01:21:43,840
Speaker 3: How do we then get to characters like Angleton and Okay,

1710
01:21:44,040 --> 01:21:47,200
Speaker 3: the organization of an eventual alleged plot.

1711
01:21:47,920 --> 01:21:51,160
Speaker 11: Right, So the second most important document that came out

1712
01:21:51,200 --> 01:21:53,960
Speaker 11: it's not it's actually not one document. It was nine

1713
01:21:54,080 --> 01:21:59,120
Speaker 11: documents about four about nine documents about about James Angleton.

1714
01:21:59,240 --> 01:22:01,760
Speaker 11: And you know, so I don't go looking for one

1715
01:22:01,880 --> 01:22:03,519
Speaker 11: document that's going to tell me the whole thing. When

1716
01:22:03,560 --> 01:22:06,920
Speaker 11: you look at these documents taken together you and documents

1717
01:22:06,960 --> 01:22:09,679
Speaker 11: that have been released in recent years, you understand something

1718
01:22:09,720 --> 01:22:11,920
Speaker 11: that I just don't think people. I mean, I know,

1719
01:22:12,200 --> 01:22:15,400
Speaker 11: no one knows, and the mainstream media organizations just don't

1720
01:22:15,400 --> 01:22:18,320
Speaker 11: want to talk about it. Okay, Lee, Harvey Oswald was

1721
01:22:18,400 --> 01:22:22,240
Speaker 11: not a loan nut. He was a known quantity to

1722
01:22:22,360 --> 01:22:25,880
Speaker 11: a small group of CIA counter intelligence officers for four

1723
01:22:26,080 --> 01:22:30,000
Speaker 11: years between nineteen fifty November nineteen fifty nine November nineteen

1724
01:22:30,040 --> 01:22:33,560
Speaker 11: sixty three. We now have all of the information that

1725
01:22:33,640 --> 01:22:36,960
Speaker 11: the CIA had on Oswald's forty two documents, one hundred

1726
01:22:36,960 --> 01:22:38,360
Speaker 11: and eighty pages of material.

1727
01:22:39,920 --> 01:22:43,320
Speaker 8: And you know he was followed from beginning to end.

1728
01:22:43,600 --> 01:22:46,240
Speaker 11: There was no point in those four years, or very

1729
01:22:46,320 --> 01:22:48,960
Speaker 11: few points in those four years where top people in

1730
01:22:49,040 --> 01:22:52,400
Speaker 11: the CIA did not have Lee Harvey Oswald's home address.

1731
01:22:52,560 --> 01:22:55,880
Speaker 8: Wow, between November nineteen fifteen, and the guy's moving all

1732
01:22:55,960 --> 01:22:56,280
Speaker 8: the time.

1733
01:22:56,840 --> 01:22:58,760
Speaker 11: He goes to Moscow, to Minsk, he comes back to

1734
01:22:58,760 --> 01:23:00,840
Speaker 11: the Fort Worth, he moves to Orleans, he comes back

1735
01:23:00,880 --> 01:23:03,040
Speaker 11: to Dallas, he goes to Mexico, he comes back to Dallas.

1736
01:23:03,240 --> 01:23:05,839
Speaker 11: Every step of the way, top people in the CIA

1737
01:23:05,920 --> 01:23:09,479
Speaker 11: knew about it. So that alone is you know, that's

1738
01:23:09,520 --> 01:23:11,240
Speaker 11: another thing that sets the context.

1739
01:23:11,360 --> 01:23:11,479
Speaker 8: Now.

1740
01:23:12,080 --> 01:23:15,200
Speaker 11: I have a lot of arguments with you know, mainstream

1741
01:23:15,280 --> 01:23:18,520
Speaker 11: media generals who say, you know, they were just incompetent,

1742
01:23:18,640 --> 01:23:21,200
Speaker 11: you know, they just missed him. Okay, Well, a couple

1743
01:23:21,200 --> 01:23:23,880
Speaker 11: of things. And this is what's important about the document

1744
01:23:23,960 --> 01:23:27,360
Speaker 11: that came out last week, Angleton. This new document shows

1745
01:23:27,680 --> 01:23:31,040
Speaker 11: lied under oath to JFK investigators. And there's a very

1746
01:23:31,200 --> 01:23:35,759
Speaker 11: stark exchange in the new document which shows very clearly

1747
01:23:35,960 --> 01:23:40,439
Speaker 11: so that he lied about Oswald's involvement in one CIA project,

1748
01:23:40,800 --> 01:23:42,799
Speaker 11: but Oswald tripped many CIA.

1749
01:23:43,920 --> 01:23:47,080
Speaker 8: So what Angleton was hiding and what the CIA was

1750
01:23:47,160 --> 01:23:49,840
Speaker 8: hiding was and what the story.

1751
01:23:49,600 --> 01:23:53,360
Speaker 11: Of the quote unquote Loan Gunman hides is this extraordinary

1752
01:23:53,479 --> 01:23:56,040
Speaker 11: level of interest at the top of the CIA in

1753
01:23:56,120 --> 01:24:00,280
Speaker 11: this alleged pathetic, sociopathic, you know, loser who nobody would

1754
01:24:00,280 --> 01:24:02,720
Speaker 11: ever care about, or so we are often told. And

1755
01:24:02,840 --> 01:24:07,720
Speaker 11: yet James Angleton, one of the smartest, most capable intelligence

1756
01:24:07,800 --> 01:24:12,479
Speaker 11: officers of his generation, regarded as the premier counterintelligence officer

1757
01:24:12,880 --> 01:24:16,519
Speaker 11: in the Western world, is paying attention to Lee Harvey

1758
01:24:16,560 --> 01:24:19,320
Speaker 11: Oswell for four years. The CIA has never explained this,

1759
01:24:19,600 --> 01:24:22,960
Speaker 11: so because they don't have to, because reporters from the

1760
01:24:22,960 --> 01:24:25,040
Speaker 11: New York Times don't go and say, what is this?

1761
01:24:25,360 --> 01:24:30,639
Speaker 8: You know, and and you have this weird cognitive dissonance going.

1762
01:24:30,560 --> 01:24:34,320
Speaker 11: On where, you know, people won't look at this new evidence,

1763
01:24:34,320 --> 01:24:36,000
Speaker 11: they won't talk about it, they won't cover it because

1764
01:24:36,000 --> 01:24:38,519
Speaker 11: it works like this, Well, you know, that's a piece

1765
01:24:38,520 --> 01:24:41,280
Speaker 11: of evidence that's you know, that's of interest to Morley,

1766
01:24:41,360 --> 01:24:44,280
Speaker 11: and we know he's a conspiracy theorist, so that's kind

1767
01:24:44,320 --> 01:24:46,000
Speaker 11: of tainted evident, and we don't need to think about

1768
01:24:46,000 --> 01:24:48,640
Speaker 11: it because we know for sure that Oswell killed the president, right,

1769
01:24:49,680 --> 01:24:51,560
Speaker 11: you know, it's like and so that's been going on

1770
01:24:51,680 --> 01:24:54,559
Speaker 11: for years, and so you know, nobody knows the story

1771
01:24:54,800 --> 01:24:57,840
Speaker 11: that's just coming into view. So you know, I'm saying

1772
01:24:58,520 --> 01:25:02,000
Speaker 11: somehow this is part of the JFK story. Can't You

1773
01:25:02,080 --> 01:25:05,400
Speaker 11: can't say? One question was does this change the narrative?

1774
01:25:06,320 --> 01:25:06,360
Speaker 4: No?

1775
01:25:06,520 --> 01:25:10,160
Speaker 8: One document changes the narrative, But the entire.

1776
01:25:10,040 --> 01:25:14,000
Speaker 11: Oswald file that James Angleton had on his desk when

1777
01:25:14,080 --> 01:25:18,160
Speaker 11: Kennedy left for Dallas, that changes the narrative. You know

1778
01:25:18,920 --> 01:25:22,960
Speaker 11: what the file shows. There were two FBI reports on Oswald,

1779
01:25:23,520 --> 01:25:26,200
Speaker 11: everything he had been doing recently, He'd gotten arrested, he'd

1780
01:25:26,200 --> 01:25:29,080
Speaker 11: gone to Mexico City, he'd come back. Two FBI reports

1781
01:25:29,560 --> 01:25:33,000
Speaker 11: saying Oswald's in Dallas. They land on Angleton's desk on

1782
01:25:33,040 --> 01:25:37,880
Speaker 11: November fourteenth and fifteenth, nineteen sixty three. Never been explained. Wow,

1783
01:25:38,280 --> 01:25:40,360
Speaker 11: So that's where we're at. And you know, will they

1784
01:25:40,560 --> 01:25:43,920
Speaker 11: will the CIA explain? You know, unlike the FBI, the

1785
01:25:44,000 --> 01:25:46,960
Speaker 11: CIA has not turned over any new documents as a

1786
01:25:47,000 --> 01:25:49,720
Speaker 11: result of Trump's order. The CIA, I would say, is

1787
01:25:49,800 --> 01:25:53,639
Speaker 11: not in compliance with Trump's order. They have JFK documents

1788
01:25:53,680 --> 01:25:56,280
Speaker 11: in their possession. So what happens with the CIA?

1789
01:25:56,760 --> 01:25:58,360
Speaker 8: You know, are they going to turn over the JFK

1790
01:25:58,479 --> 01:26:00,840
Speaker 8: documents they have in their hands. That's you know, that's

1791
01:26:00,920 --> 01:26:01,559
Speaker 8: a big question.

1792
01:26:01,720 --> 01:26:03,920
Speaker 11: But with these two diacments, I mean, I think we

1793
01:26:04,080 --> 01:26:08,520
Speaker 11: see kind of the big picture of Kennedy in conflict

1794
01:26:08,640 --> 01:26:14,040
Speaker 11: with his national security establishment and CIA officers paying close

1795
01:26:14,080 --> 01:26:16,639
Speaker 11: attention to the man who supposedly killed him. And we're

1796
01:26:16,640 --> 01:26:19,320
Speaker 11: going to learn more about that. And it is complicated,

1797
01:26:19,360 --> 01:26:20,800
Speaker 11: but I'll tell you a little bit of good news.

1798
01:26:21,200 --> 01:26:25,720
Speaker 11: I am going to testify before Representative Luna's hearing on

1799
01:26:25,880 --> 01:26:30,519
Speaker 11: JFK on April first, and I'm going to talk about

1800
01:26:30,560 --> 01:26:33,759
Speaker 11: this and you need to slow down. And I'm hoping

1801
01:26:33,880 --> 01:26:37,080
Speaker 11: that I'll have the time to explain to the task force,

1802
01:26:37,400 --> 01:26:39,800
Speaker 11: you know, what this story is and how we can

1803
01:26:39,880 --> 01:26:42,200
Speaker 11: get the rest of it. You know what's interesting about

1804
01:26:42,240 --> 01:26:44,680
Speaker 11: this story is, you know, I'm so happy to be

1805
01:26:44,760 --> 01:26:48,760
Speaker 11: here because right now, requests for interviews are running about

1806
01:26:49,320 --> 01:26:52,240
Speaker 11: two to one, three to one in favor of conservative sites.

1807
01:26:52,479 --> 01:26:55,679
Speaker 8: Oh really, yeah, right, Jesse Waters called me up. Jesse

1808
01:26:55,880 --> 01:26:56,759
Speaker 8: is my new best friend.

1809
01:26:57,520 --> 01:27:00,880
Speaker 11: I go on a show and he's like those Democrats

1810
01:27:00,920 --> 01:27:03,320
Speaker 11: they're burning down the tesla is all over the world.

1811
01:27:03,280 --> 01:27:05,559
Speaker 8: And I'm sitting there, man, I can't afford a Tesla.

1812
01:27:05,760 --> 01:27:07,120
Speaker 8: I drive a Nissan road.

1813
01:27:08,880 --> 01:27:09,960
Speaker 4: Was asking you about tesla?

1814
01:27:10,200 --> 01:27:14,519
Speaker 11: Yeah no, he didn't, So no, that was the show

1815
01:27:14,560 --> 01:27:16,360
Speaker 11: before and I think I'm going to say something to

1816
01:27:16,439 --> 01:27:18,120
Speaker 11: this I'm going to say something to this guy. And

1817
01:27:18,200 --> 01:27:19,639
Speaker 11: then he comes on and he does like a four

1818
01:27:19,720 --> 01:27:25,000
Speaker 11: minute introduction to JFK's story, and it's like, I pretty

1819
01:27:25,040 --> 01:27:27,360
Speaker 11: much agree with that, Jesse, you know, and you know

1820
01:27:27,400 --> 01:27:29,960
Speaker 11: what I realized. I think what the JFK issue does

1821
01:27:30,080 --> 01:27:32,360
Speaker 11: is it's unites the anti war.

1822
01:27:32,360 --> 01:27:35,439
Speaker 8: Base on both sides. On the left.

1823
01:27:36,040 --> 01:27:39,400
Speaker 11: You know, people remember Kennedy as an inspiring leader, wants

1824
01:27:39,439 --> 01:27:41,879
Speaker 11: to end the Cold War, wants to take the American

1825
01:27:41,920 --> 01:27:45,400
Speaker 11: Empire in a new direction. And our anti war today

1826
01:27:45,560 --> 01:27:48,360
Speaker 11: right like whatever the details of Ukraine and gods it,

1827
01:27:48,800 --> 01:27:51,679
Speaker 11: we're against those wars because we're against war in general.

1828
01:27:51,840 --> 01:27:53,920
Speaker 11: You know, we don't think there's good wars. Those wars

1829
01:27:53,960 --> 01:27:56,320
Speaker 11: could have been prevented and on the right, we have

1830
01:27:56,400 --> 01:27:58,840
Speaker 11: a similar sentiment. It's more about we don't want to

1831
01:27:58,880 --> 01:28:01,880
Speaker 11: spend our blood and treasure on foreigners, Okay, but it's

1832
01:28:01,920 --> 01:28:05,280
Speaker 11: anti war also, it's an abhorrence of war. That's what's

1833
01:28:05,400 --> 01:28:08,160
Speaker 11: driving the JFK story, and that's what brings people together,

1834
01:28:08,200 --> 01:28:10,000
Speaker 11: and that's why I have no problem going on.

1835
01:28:10,120 --> 01:28:10,719
Speaker 8: Jesse wat.

1836
01:28:12,439 --> 01:28:15,400
Speaker 4: Angleton's relationship with Israeli intelligence has also been getting a

1837
01:28:15,439 --> 01:28:16,280
Speaker 4: lot of attention.

1838
01:28:16,520 --> 01:28:17,240
Speaker 8: You unpacked.

1839
01:28:18,080 --> 01:28:20,479
Speaker 11: Yeah, so I talked about don't look at one document,

1840
01:28:20,560 --> 01:28:23,799
Speaker 11: look at nine documents. So the nine documents about Angleton

1841
01:28:23,880 --> 01:28:26,960
Speaker 11: tell two stories that are important. One is about the

1842
01:28:27,120 --> 01:28:31,200
Speaker 11: birth of co intel Pro. Okay, coin tel Pro is

1843
01:28:31,240 --> 01:28:34,439
Speaker 11: typically thought of as an FBI program, right j Edgar Huber,

1844
01:28:34,479 --> 01:28:37,080
Speaker 11: It's associated with jaig Gar Huber, But co intel Pro

1845
01:28:37,439 --> 01:28:42,479
Speaker 11: was really a joint CIA FBI program and which Angleton

1846
01:28:42,520 --> 01:28:45,640
Speaker 11: has counterintelligence chief, had a lot of influence on a

1847
01:28:45,680 --> 01:28:51,920
Speaker 11: counterintelligence program of the FBI. So that's one thing, and

1848
01:28:52,200 --> 01:28:54,479
Speaker 11: we can talk about how that emerged. That's a very

1849
01:28:54,520 --> 01:28:57,600
Speaker 11: interesting story that doesn't take you into the history of

1850
01:28:57,680 --> 01:29:00,120
Speaker 11: JFK's assassination, but takes you at a history of the

1851
01:29:00,240 --> 01:29:01,920
Speaker 11: repression of the left and the sixties.

1852
01:29:02,360 --> 01:29:03,320
Speaker 8: Very important story.

1853
01:29:03,400 --> 01:29:06,000
Speaker 11: Yes, And the stuff about the fair Play for Cuba

1854
01:29:06,040 --> 01:29:08,960
Speaker 11: committee that's in here, that's another story that's coming. And

1855
01:29:09,000 --> 01:29:12,679
Speaker 11: I've got another good story about CIA spies in New Orleans.

1856
01:29:12,880 --> 01:29:15,120
Speaker 8: It's very cool to be fun. So I'm going to

1857
01:29:15,160 --> 01:29:15,800
Speaker 8: tease that for you.

1858
01:29:15,880 --> 01:29:18,400
Speaker 11: But the other thing that the Angleton, the nine Angleton

1859
01:29:18,479 --> 01:29:21,560
Speaker 11: documents that came in was his very close relations with

1860
01:29:21,640 --> 01:29:25,920
Speaker 11: the Israelis, and he gave testimony. Angleton gave testimony to

1861
01:29:26,000 --> 01:29:29,160
Speaker 11: the Church Committee in June nineteen seventy five. He'd just

1862
01:29:29,240 --> 01:29:31,559
Speaker 11: been fired from the ci IS eager to justify himself

1863
01:29:31,600 --> 01:29:34,280
Speaker 11: and you say it, look, I'm really I was doing good.

1864
01:29:34,320 --> 01:29:39,040
Speaker 11: And he explains his extraordinary relationship with the Israeli security

1865
01:29:39,080 --> 01:29:41,880
Speaker 11: services going back to nineteen fifty one when he and

1866
01:29:42,000 --> 01:29:44,439
Speaker 11: David ben gury and come over and make a deal

1867
01:29:44,520 --> 01:29:47,880
Speaker 11: with Alan Dulles about how the two intelligence services will

1868
01:29:47,920 --> 01:29:51,759
Speaker 11: share information. That story of Angleton and the Israeli Services,

1869
01:29:51,800 --> 01:29:54,759
Speaker 11: which I talk about in my book about Angleton, the Ghost,

1870
01:29:55,040 --> 01:29:56,320
Speaker 11: and let me plug that right now.

1871
01:29:57,280 --> 01:29:58,639
Speaker 1: Go to Lincoln description.

1872
01:29:59,400 --> 01:30:01,479
Speaker 8: Yes, the go it's the Secret Life of James Jesus.

1873
01:30:01,520 --> 01:30:04,880
Speaker 11: Angleton tells this story and I had read a lot

1874
01:30:04,960 --> 01:30:07,080
Speaker 11: of these documents when I'd read all of these documents

1875
01:30:07,120 --> 01:30:09,360
Speaker 11: when I did my book, and now for the first

1876
01:30:09,400 --> 01:30:12,559
Speaker 11: time I see them and we understand the Angleton story

1877
01:30:12,600 --> 01:30:15,360
Speaker 11: with nuclarity, the birth of co intel Pro and the

1878
01:30:15,400 --> 01:30:20,240
Speaker 11: birth of US Israeli strategic relationship. Angleton, you know, like

1879
01:30:20,320 --> 01:30:22,720
Speaker 11: him or not. You know, people told me, people who

1880
01:30:22,880 --> 01:30:26,080
Speaker 11: liked him, said, this guy's a world historic figure. And

1881
01:30:26,680 --> 01:30:28,559
Speaker 11: you know, you can say he's sinister and he did

1882
01:30:28,600 --> 01:30:30,800
Speaker 11: bad things and all that, but that is not an

1883
01:30:30,920 --> 01:30:34,360
Speaker 11: unfair estimation of James Angleton. And he's at the center

1884
01:30:34,720 --> 01:30:36,840
Speaker 11: of what we're learning about the JFK story.

1885
01:30:36,960 --> 01:30:37,840
Speaker 1: This is where I am.

1886
01:30:38,000 --> 01:30:40,519
Speaker 3: This is my brain always gets so taken to about

1887
01:30:40,560 --> 01:30:43,000
Speaker 3: the co Intel Pro, like you were saying, and so

1888
01:30:43,320 --> 01:30:46,880
Speaker 3: you know, I was curious if we shed even more light.

1889
01:30:47,160 --> 01:30:49,680
Speaker 1: This gets to a bigger question. Ben Shapiro recently had

1890
01:30:49,720 --> 01:30:50,400
Speaker 1: a viral clip.

1891
01:30:50,439 --> 01:30:52,439
Speaker 3: I talked about it in your introduction before you were here,

1892
01:30:52,560 --> 01:30:55,040
Speaker 3: about where he was like, who cares who killed JFK?

1893
01:30:55,240 --> 01:30:56,760
Speaker 3: And he's like, I think it's interesting, but it's you know,

1894
01:30:56,800 --> 01:30:59,160
Speaker 3: what happened in nineteen sixty three. We're in twenty twenty five.

1895
01:30:59,280 --> 01:31:00,960
Speaker 3: And so I talked to Oliver Stone about this. He

1896
01:31:01,040 --> 01:31:02,800
Speaker 3: gave me such a poetic answer, But I want to

1897
01:31:02,800 --> 01:31:04,280
Speaker 3: ask you the same thing. Why does it matter who

1898
01:31:04,360 --> 01:31:04,840
Speaker 3: killed JFK?

1899
01:31:05,439 --> 01:31:08,400
Speaker 11: Because when JFK was killed and there was no accountability,

1900
01:31:08,880 --> 01:31:12,120
Speaker 11: the American empire took a turn. Kennedy was trying to

1901
01:31:12,200 --> 01:31:15,400
Speaker 11: steer the ship one way, and when Kennedy was killed

1902
01:31:15,439 --> 01:31:18,280
Speaker 11: and there was no accountability, the ship was steered another

1903
01:31:18,320 --> 01:31:19,800
Speaker 11: way and we never had a.

1904
01:31:19,840 --> 01:31:20,920
Speaker 8: Course correction after that.

1905
01:31:21,040 --> 01:31:26,280
Speaker 11: Because the faction that avoided accountability with Kennedy's murder and

1906
01:31:26,400 --> 01:31:30,040
Speaker 11: avoided responsibility for it, they had impunity and they could

1907
01:31:30,120 --> 01:31:34,200
Speaker 11: dominate all the policy debates that followed. And also because

1908
01:31:34,240 --> 01:31:37,120
Speaker 11: they had the secrecy of apparatus, the apparatus of secrecy

1909
01:31:37,160 --> 01:31:37,599
Speaker 11: around them.

1910
01:31:37,880 --> 01:31:38,920
Speaker 8: You know, why does it matter?

1911
01:31:39,600 --> 01:31:39,760
Speaker 4: Here?

1912
01:31:39,840 --> 01:31:44,080
Speaker 11: We are attacking the houthies, Okay, people who you know,

1913
01:31:44,720 --> 01:31:46,240
Speaker 11: post no threat to the American people.

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01:31:46,600 --> 01:31:51,200
Speaker 3: You know, as our vice president says secretly, chat, we

1915
01:31:51,320 --> 01:31:53,120
Speaker 3: only have three percent of the trade that moves through this.

1916
01:31:53,160 --> 01:31:53,880
Speaker 1: Why are we doing this?

1917
01:31:54,360 --> 01:31:54,559
Speaker 4: Yeah?

1918
01:31:54,880 --> 01:31:57,120
Speaker 8: And so you know, I imagine a young John F.

1919
01:31:57,240 --> 01:31:59,920
Speaker 11: Kennedy running for president and here we're bombing the hell

1920
01:32:00,000 --> 01:32:01,760
Speaker 11: out of these people seven thousand miles away, And I

1921
01:32:01,840 --> 01:32:04,920
Speaker 11: Remember what JFK said at American University. We do not

1922
01:32:05,200 --> 01:32:09,240
Speaker 11: want a pas Americana. We are not the world's policeman.

1923
01:32:09,720 --> 01:32:13,200
Speaker 11: That would be JFK's message to us today, and that's

1924
01:32:13,240 --> 01:32:17,280
Speaker 11: the relevance for Ben Shapiro right there. We do not

1925
01:32:17,479 --> 01:32:21,479
Speaker 11: want a Pax Americana. Imagine the Democratic presidential candidate saying

1926
01:32:21,520 --> 01:32:25,120
Speaker 11: that today. I think if one did, they would find

1927
01:32:25,120 --> 01:32:26,280
Speaker 11: a lot of success.

1928
01:32:26,120 --> 01:32:28,840
Speaker 4: Right And I think the fact that there was no

1929
01:32:28,920 --> 01:32:32,839
Speaker 4: accountability led to what, to me is the most salient

1930
01:32:32,920 --> 01:32:37,479
Speaker 4: fact about JFK's assassination that pretty much every president after him,

1931
01:32:37,600 --> 01:32:40,280
Speaker 4: definitely Johnson, definitely Nixon. You can talk about whether it's

1932
01:32:40,360 --> 01:32:44,479
Speaker 4: every single one whether or not the CIA or the

1933
01:32:44,560 --> 01:32:49,680
Speaker 4: Security Services killed Kennedy. Those presidents believed that they did

1934
01:32:49,880 --> 01:32:55,320
Speaker 4: or probably did. And as the person now occupying that chair,

1935
01:32:56,040 --> 01:32:59,160
Speaker 4: that changes your calculation when you're in the room with

1936
01:32:59,240 --> 01:33:03,519
Speaker 4: them talking about out how many covered agents they've got

1937
01:33:03,640 --> 01:33:05,719
Speaker 4: in the embassy, whether or not you're going to reduce

1938
01:33:05,840 --> 01:33:08,799
Speaker 4: You can hear it in Johnson's phone calls. He's terrible,

1939
01:33:08,880 --> 01:33:11,320
Speaker 4: like Chuck Schumer, saif is going to find out that

1940
01:33:11,400 --> 01:33:12,160
Speaker 4: the CIA.

1941
01:33:11,920 --> 01:33:12,320
Speaker 1: That's right?

1942
01:33:12,400 --> 01:33:14,080
Speaker 3: Yeah, He's like, oh, they're going to find It's like,

1943
01:33:14,160 --> 01:33:16,240
Speaker 3: oh my god, we're just saying this stuff out loud.

1944
01:33:16,280 --> 01:33:18,120
Speaker 1: You can hear with Nixon, you know Nixon.

1945
01:33:18,120 --> 01:33:20,200
Speaker 3: I mean not that he was a great guy or whatever,

1946
01:33:20,360 --> 01:33:22,560
Speaker 3: but you could hear the terror in him and his

1947
01:33:22,680 --> 01:33:26,160
Speaker 3: alman's voice with Hoover, like we got I.

1948
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Speaker 8: Tell you story. I tell a story in my book.

1949
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Speaker 8: Nixon calls Helms into the overlop.

1950
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Speaker 4: I want that report on the Van Pigs goddemmic.

1951
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Speaker 11: Right, and Elms is like, mister president, why do you

1952
01:33:35,920 --> 01:33:39,320
Speaker 11: lead that? And you hear Nixon say it the who

1953
01:33:39,400 --> 01:33:45,799
Speaker 11: shot John Angele Nixon thought he knew, yeah exactly. Johnson

1954
01:33:46,280 --> 01:33:49,400
Speaker 11: told Walter, one of his aides, that he thought that

1955
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Speaker 11: the CIA was involved.

1956
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Speaker 8: He didn't believe the Warren Commission.

1957
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Speaker 11: And I always ask people, you know if Lyndon Johnson,

1958
01:33:56,240 --> 01:33:59,400
Speaker 11: who appointed the Warren Commission, didn't believe its conclusions.

1959
01:33:59,000 --> 01:34:02,720
Speaker 8: Like why should right? Right? Like, well, why is that irrational?

1960
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Speaker 4: Where do you come down, by the way on Johnson's

1961
01:34:05,160 --> 01:34:05,720
Speaker 4: knowledge or.

1962
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Speaker 11: I think the most telling thing about Lyndon Johnson is

1963
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Speaker 11: that within two days he said, we have to prove

1964
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Speaker 11: Oswald acted alone. Yes, right, I mean he's he's ordered

1965
01:34:17,040 --> 01:34:19,360
Speaker 11: his finding before the investigation has begun.

1966
01:34:19,479 --> 01:34:22,639
Speaker 8: What was he afraid of? You know, he was afraid

1967
01:34:22,680 --> 01:34:24,360
Speaker 8: that he would have to investigate.

1968
01:34:23,920 --> 01:34:26,120
Speaker 11: His own government and tear his own government apart, or

1969
01:34:26,200 --> 01:34:27,920
Speaker 11: he would have to go to war with the Soviet

1970
01:34:27,960 --> 01:34:30,040
Speaker 11: Union or Cuban and he didn't want to do either

1971
01:34:30,080 --> 01:34:30,639
Speaker 11: one of those things.

1972
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Speaker 8: So Oswald was the perfect solution, the patsy, the fall guy.

1973
01:34:34,360 --> 01:34:37,240
Speaker 8: It's all his fault, nothing's wrong. Let's move along, people,

1974
01:34:37,680 --> 01:34:39,120
Speaker 8: And that was the political.

1975
01:34:38,800 --> 01:34:41,519
Speaker 11: Solution, and it held and and a lot of people

1976
01:34:41,640 --> 01:34:43,160
Speaker 11: bought it, and a lot of people bought it for

1977
01:34:43,240 --> 01:34:45,919
Speaker 11: the best reasons. You know, we believe in our government,

1978
01:34:46,400 --> 01:34:48,720
Speaker 11: and you know, there's a terrible tragedy and we have

1979
01:34:48,840 --> 01:34:50,880
Speaker 11: to cope with it somehow, and there's this story. It's

1980
01:34:50,920 --> 01:34:53,080
Speaker 11: hard to believe, but you know, let's get on with it.

1981
01:34:53,520 --> 01:34:56,439
Speaker 11: And people's trust was really abused. And you know, and

1982
01:34:56,680 --> 01:34:59,720
Speaker 11: now you know, here's where the CIA inherits the whirlwind

1983
01:35:00,200 --> 01:35:04,599
Speaker 11: because their bogus story about Lee Harvey Oswald has bred,

1984
01:35:05,479 --> 01:35:08,960
Speaker 11: has bred a conspiratorial culture. Yes, you know that that

1985
01:35:09,200 --> 01:35:12,680
Speaker 11: that thrives on suspicion of government and undermines it.

1986
01:35:12,800 --> 01:35:15,479
Speaker 8: And you know that's you know, that's a terrible thing.

1987
01:35:15,600 --> 01:35:17,280
Speaker 11: And so when I go on these shows, you know,

1988
01:35:18,439 --> 01:35:21,280
Speaker 11: these the right wingers that they wanted to use this

1989
01:35:21,439 --> 01:35:23,400
Speaker 11: story to kind of beat up on, you know, what

1990
01:35:23,520 --> 01:35:25,719
Speaker 11: they call the deep state, you know, and help Trump

1991
01:35:25,840 --> 01:35:28,439
Speaker 11: do that. And the liberal media is kind of like, oh,

1992
01:35:28,640 --> 01:35:30,479
Speaker 11: you know, we hope that there's nothing in there that

1993
01:35:31,320 --> 01:35:32,360
Speaker 11: supports conspiracy.

1994
01:35:32,360 --> 01:35:34,639
Speaker 8: There is because they're you know, so irrational and stuff

1995
01:35:34,680 --> 01:35:37,280
Speaker 8: like that. You know, we got to get past that.

1996
01:35:37,760 --> 01:35:39,600
Speaker 8: You know, I agree with you, you know, and and

1997
01:35:39,760 --> 01:35:42,960
Speaker 8: and and and and with getting this record. And you know,

1998
01:35:43,479 --> 01:35:44,840
Speaker 8: kudos to Trump, right.

1999
01:35:45,120 --> 01:35:47,640
Speaker 11: I don't agree with him on practically anything, but he

2000
01:35:47,960 --> 01:35:50,840
Speaker 11: definitely did the right thing on this and you see it.

2001
01:35:50,960 --> 01:35:52,640
Speaker 11: We see it now, and we're going to get the

2002
01:35:52,680 --> 01:35:55,639
Speaker 11: benefits of it once people are a little patient, stop

2003
01:35:55,720 --> 01:35:57,680
Speaker 11: looking for the smoking gun and start looking for.

2004
01:35:57,720 --> 01:35:58,360
Speaker 8: The fact patter.

2005
01:35:58,520 --> 01:36:01,000
Speaker 1: Jeff Wall have you talk about Jack Ruby.

2006
01:36:03,000 --> 01:36:05,360
Speaker 3: That's where it all falls apart from me, where it's

2007
01:36:05,439 --> 01:36:07,880
Speaker 3: just not falls apart per se. But that's where the

2008
01:36:08,040 --> 01:36:09,759
Speaker 3: altra conspiracy starts.

2009
01:36:10,040 --> 01:36:10,200
Speaker 1: Here.

2010
01:36:10,240 --> 01:36:10,960
Speaker 4: You're not even trying.

2011
01:36:11,040 --> 01:36:13,160
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's like, what are we doing? He shoots the

2012
01:36:13,200 --> 01:36:16,880
Speaker 3: sky on live television. He says he's a patsy Jolly

2013
01:36:16,960 --> 01:36:20,080
Speaker 3: West is involved. I mean, like I mean, after reading

2014
01:36:20,120 --> 01:36:22,759
Speaker 3: the Chaos book, I'm like, oh, they literally mind control

2015
01:36:22,840 --> 01:36:23,120
Speaker 3: is real.

2016
01:36:23,280 --> 01:36:23,559
Speaker 11: I'm like.

2017
01:36:25,479 --> 01:36:27,360
Speaker 1: A operation. Actually.

2018
01:36:28,800 --> 01:36:30,920
Speaker 8: So about Jack Ruby, I mean, you go read the

2019
01:36:30,960 --> 01:36:32,920
Speaker 8: Warren Commission they made.

2020
01:36:33,000 --> 01:36:35,479
Speaker 11: They tried really, really hard, and they were successful in

2021
01:36:35,680 --> 01:36:39,000
Speaker 11: avoiding the fact that Jack Ruby was an organized crime

2022
01:36:40,920 --> 01:36:44,040
Speaker 11: so and they bought this ridiculous story that you know

2023
01:36:44,360 --> 01:36:45,960
Speaker 11: he killed him, you know, because.

2024
01:36:45,720 --> 01:36:47,360
Speaker 1: He's he's a super patriot.

2025
01:36:47,920 --> 01:36:48,160
Speaker 4: Yeah.

2026
01:36:48,560 --> 01:36:50,360
Speaker 11: I talked to one of the one I talked to

2027
01:36:50,439 --> 01:36:51,880
Speaker 11: one of the women who worked for Jack Ruby in

2028
01:36:51,920 --> 01:36:53,840
Speaker 11: the club and I asked her. She was very she

2029
01:36:53,960 --> 01:36:55,599
Speaker 11: was close to Ruby, and I said, you know, why

2030
01:36:55,680 --> 01:36:58,640
Speaker 11: did he kill Why did he kill Oswald? And she

2031
01:36:58,680 --> 01:37:01,360
Speaker 11: said I don't know, but she said Jack worked for people,

2032
01:37:01,400 --> 01:37:03,760
Speaker 11: and I don't think he had a choice. I thought

2033
01:37:03,840 --> 01:37:05,599
Speaker 11: that was very interesting, and I said, I said, did

2034
01:37:05,640 --> 01:37:08,200
Speaker 11: he ever say anything good or bad about President Kennedy?

2035
01:37:08,240 --> 01:37:10,479
Speaker 11: She said, I never heard anything, but he hated Bobby

2036
01:37:10,560 --> 01:37:14,120
Speaker 11: Kennedy with a purple passion, something the Warrant Commission also

2037
01:37:14,280 --> 01:37:15,200
Speaker 11: totally omitted.

2038
01:37:15,320 --> 01:37:17,200
Speaker 4: He was trying to go after all the Yeah, all

2039
01:37:17,240 --> 01:37:18,240
Speaker 4: the organized he did the test.

2040
01:37:18,360 --> 01:37:20,440
Speaker 1: Yeah, he brought them exactly.

2041
01:37:20,360 --> 01:37:23,519
Speaker 11: So you know, people say, was there an organized crime plot?

2042
01:37:23,640 --> 01:37:26,120
Speaker 11: We know the organized crime role in what happened, and

2043
01:37:26,240 --> 01:37:29,599
Speaker 11: that was to eliminate the most important with witness and Oswald.

2044
01:37:29,960 --> 01:37:33,360
Speaker 11: I was on Piers Morgan and Michael Franzine.

2045
01:37:32,800 --> 01:37:35,719
Speaker 1: Who was kind of a made guy in the avience YouTuber.

2046
01:37:35,960 --> 01:37:38,559
Speaker 11: Yeah, he's a talking head now about and he said,

2047
01:37:38,840 --> 01:37:40,280
Speaker 11: you know, when I was in the mob and we

2048
01:37:40,360 --> 01:37:43,120
Speaker 11: talked to these guys, it was common knowledge, totally accepted.

2049
01:37:44,080 --> 01:37:46,000
Speaker 8: You know, we were asked to get rid of Oswald

2050
01:37:46,040 --> 01:37:46,479
Speaker 8: and we did it.

2051
01:37:46,600 --> 01:37:48,600
Speaker 11: That was our part, you know, and that was they

2052
01:37:48,640 --> 01:37:50,800
Speaker 11: were very matter of fact about it, you know, and

2053
01:37:50,880 --> 01:37:53,439
Speaker 11: I thought, this guy knows, you know, he was in

2054
01:37:53,560 --> 01:37:56,080
Speaker 11: that world. So that's the organized crime part of it,

2055
01:37:56,280 --> 01:37:58,840
Speaker 11: Jack Ruby, is the organized crime component of what happened.

2056
01:37:59,520 --> 01:38:02,160
Speaker 11: You know, we can talk about like what really happened

2057
01:38:02,200 --> 01:38:05,000
Speaker 11: that day, but you know, clearly Oswall was not supposed

2058
01:38:05,000 --> 01:38:08,120
Speaker 11: to be captured alive. Yes, and when Oswa was captured alive,

2059
01:38:08,640 --> 01:38:10,880
Speaker 11: you know, those people in the CIA who'd been watching

2060
01:38:10,960 --> 01:38:13,920
Speaker 11: him for four years, they had big problem because Oswa

2061
01:38:14,080 --> 01:38:18,200
Speaker 11: was not unaware that you know, he had friends, you know,

2062
01:38:18,400 --> 01:38:20,519
Speaker 11: he had people who assisted him and he was a cap.

2063
01:38:20,600 --> 01:38:23,479
Speaker 11: You know, he's a smart guy, enterprising guy, so he

2064
01:38:23,600 --> 01:38:26,479
Speaker 11: took advantage of those contacts that he had. But that's

2065
01:38:26,560 --> 01:38:30,560
Speaker 11: the story that's coming out, is Angleton's role around Oswald,

2066
01:38:31,160 --> 01:38:32,280
Speaker 11: the surveillance of Oswald.

2067
01:38:32,360 --> 01:38:35,000
Speaker 8: What was really going on there? My friends in the

2068
01:38:35,040 --> 01:38:37,240
Speaker 8: mainstream media says they were just incompetent.

2069
01:38:37,439 --> 01:38:40,640
Speaker 11: You know, when top CIA officials lie about in a

2070
01:38:40,840 --> 01:38:45,160
Speaker 11: homicide investigation. I can't take that as evidence of incompetence.

2071
01:38:45,200 --> 01:38:47,519
Speaker 11: To me, that looks more like complicity. That's where we're

2072
01:38:47,520 --> 01:38:47,800
Speaker 11: at now.

2073
01:38:47,880 --> 01:38:50,439
Speaker 1: Okay, all right, man, I always love talking to you,

2074
01:38:50,560 --> 01:38:53,200
Speaker 1: Jeff h Plug. What else you got to do?

2075
01:38:53,360 --> 01:38:56,320
Speaker 11: So if you want to follow me JFK Fax on substack,

2076
01:38:56,400 --> 01:38:59,720
Speaker 11: jfkfactx dot Jfkfax dot substack.

2077
01:38:59,320 --> 01:39:01,960
Speaker 8: Dot com and more to come.

2078
01:39:02,080 --> 01:39:04,160
Speaker 3: All right, excellent, we'll have a link down in the description.

2079
01:39:04,200 --> 01:39:06,479
Speaker 3: Everybody go watch this testimony to April first. All right,

2080
01:39:06,760 --> 01:39:08,320
Speaker 3: we'll all be looking forward to that and we will

2081
01:39:08,360 --> 01:39:09,200
Speaker 3: see you all later.