WEBVTT - The Only Cure Is More Shec**k

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<v Speaker 1>Have I fucked a doctor?

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<v Speaker 2>I have not fucked a doctor. Have I fucked someone

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<v Speaker 2>with a doctorate?

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<v Speaker 1>I'm sure you have.

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<v Speaker 2>That sounds more like me.

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<v Speaker 1>She's Sheen, I'm me, No.

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<v Speaker 2>May not my name? Yoo yoh? What is your childhood?

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<v Speaker 1>I am a choky?

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<v Speaker 2>What's going down before?

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<v Speaker 1>Like you?

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<v Speaker 2>So round, Hey, Virgins. So this week we are skipping

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<v Speaker 2>the chit chat and getting right to the meat and

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<v Speaker 2>potatoes of the conversation. We got a lot going on

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<v Speaker 2>this week. Lucky for you if you are deprived of

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<v Speaker 2>some news catch up. We always have our patreon available

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<v Speaker 2>to you at patreon dot com slash like a Virgin,

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<v Speaker 2>So get into that while you await our return for

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<v Speaker 2>chit chat. Today we are talking about doctors and medical things.

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<v Speaker 2>A lot of uh deep trans personal conversations happening here.

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<v Speaker 2>It's a bit of a fun and different episode for

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<v Speaker 2>us because this is like a Virgin, the show where

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<v Speaker 2>we give yesterday's pop culture today's takes.

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<v Speaker 1>As always, I'm Fran Toronto, I'm Rose DomU.

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<v Speaker 2>Are you ready to talk about the medical industrial complex?

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah? Cough twice, got it? Okay, you want to play

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<v Speaker 1>doctor Fran?

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<v Speaker 2>Actually, maybe you should play the doctor.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, we're gonna play doctor, but not in I guess

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<v Speaker 1>the sexy way, although I never played like sexy doctor.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm not promising anything. I can't. I can't not promise sexual.

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<v Speaker 1>So it could get heated in here, heated by on

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<v Speaker 1>tip tip tip on hard floors. Okay, so let's play doctor.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm going to be the doctor. Okay, Okay, So you're

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<v Speaker 1>you're like in the You're in the room, You're in

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<v Speaker 1>the examination room, and you've been waiting bear asked for

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<v Speaker 1>like forty five minutes, at least forty minutes, and someone

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<v Speaker 1>has already come in and misgendered me. Yes, okay, scoom,

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<v Speaker 1>that's the door opening. Hi mixed terrada.

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<v Speaker 2>But I don't know if that's what my medical forms say.

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<v Speaker 2>But I really appreciate the gender affirming way you just

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<v Speaker 2>addressed me. Thank you doctor.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, you're wearing a shirt that says everybody knows I'm

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<v Speaker 1>a transsexual, so I figured it was a safe assumption

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<v Speaker 1>to make thank you do. So, Fran, is it fran

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<v Speaker 1>to tell me? Tell me what brings you in here today?

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<v Speaker 2>So I recently had a gonorrhea and chlamydia scare, and

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<v Speaker 2>I feel like you know, because I've slept with these partners,

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<v Speaker 2>I should get tested and maybe also get a shot.

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<v Speaker 2>I also need my hormone levels checked. And there's something

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<v Speaker 2>weird on my foot. If you could also look at.

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<v Speaker 1>It, great, So you know, without examining you, I think

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<v Speaker 1>I can diagnose you. And the diagnosis I would give

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<v Speaker 1>is that you're a whore.

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<v Speaker 2>Doctor, I would say, that's a completely accurate diagnosis. Thank

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<v Speaker 2>you so much for your time.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and you know what, I got the medicine for that.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh and what's the medicine this fucking checock?

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<v Speaker 2>I got a fever and the only cure is more chic.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, this is literally the way my appointment at

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<v Speaker 1>callan Lord went weeks ago.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh you got sucked by your doctor, doctor in a way,

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<v Speaker 2>in a way I feel like, honestly, there's something when

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<v Speaker 2>you said that, it kind of reminded me of that

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<v Speaker 2>scene in.

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<v Speaker 1>This fucking cock continue, sorry, reminded.

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<v Speaker 2>Me of what was the Rachel Vice show series that

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<v Speaker 2>we just watched with. Oh uh, what the fuck is it?

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<v Speaker 2>Called Ringers? Which I never finished, which you never finished?

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<v Speaker 2>So dead Ringers a show we already discussed. There's a

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<v Speaker 2>scene in it an immaculate scene in it where one

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<v Speaker 2>of the Rachel vices is talking to this guy and

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<v Speaker 2>his wife in a doctor's office, and the wife briefly

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<v Speaker 2>leaves and then she basically in a matter of seconds,

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<v Speaker 2>goes him into pulling out his cock so she can

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<v Speaker 2>look at it. It's so good. It's one of the

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<v Speaker 2>best doctor scenes I've ever seen in my test. Did

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<v Speaker 2>you ever watch grays Anatomy?

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<v Speaker 1>Of course I watched.

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<v Speaker 2>I have watched zero episodes. What can you tell me?

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<v Speaker 1>So it's about surgeon and.

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<v Speaker 2>It's about mostly.

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<v Speaker 1>It's about Sandra. Well, it's about this girl, Meredith Gray,

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<v Speaker 1>who is part of a class of residents who come

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<v Speaker 1>to a hospital, and it's about them becoming doctors and

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<v Speaker 1>also falling in love and you know, making lots of

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<v Speaker 1>bad decisions and it I'm sure it really does not

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<v Speaker 1>resemble the medical field in any way in any way,

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<v Speaker 1>but it is very entertaining. I want to hold space

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<v Speaker 1>for our audience as I'm sure that thinking about doctors

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<v Speaker 1>or the medical field in any way, or the pharmacypally

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<v Speaker 1>probably somewhat traumatic.

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<v Speaker 2>So you know, this will not really be a triggering episode,

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<v Speaker 2>though we're gonna shoo sh about how horrible is.

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<v Speaker 1>Honestly, doctors are the wa U do Doctors are people

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<v Speaker 1>who ostensibly exist to help us, and in practice are

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<v Speaker 1>frequently horrible.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, And the thing that we need to know about

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<v Speaker 2>them is that generally speaking, they are running a business

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<v Speaker 2>and a lot of them aren't interested in your medical

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<v Speaker 2>care at all. And I think that honestly, you know, doctors,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, have gotten this societal have achieved this societal

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<v Speaker 2>placement where like they're questions so infrequently and they're they're

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<v Speaker 2>just like, oh, yeah, whatever you say goes because you

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<v Speaker 2>went to a bajillion years of school and could afford that,

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<v Speaker 2>and now you are in this place and probably make

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<v Speaker 2>zillions of dollars doing it. But everyone should be skeptical

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<v Speaker 2>of their doctors.

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<v Speaker 1>Did you ever want to be a doctor? No, thank god,

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<v Speaker 1>No I did. I wanted to be a surgeon, mostly

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<v Speaker 1>because of Grey's anatomy. But I but I realized very

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<v Speaker 1>quickly that I was not smart enough because you have

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<v Speaker 1>to wait, very smart and remember so much stuff to

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<v Speaker 1>be a doctor, and that there was no way I

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<v Speaker 1>could stand for that long to do surgery.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh yeah, you, I mean, when you're a doctor, you

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<v Speaker 2>have to be on your feet for like twelve, fourteen,

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<v Speaker 2>nineteen hours a day, Like it's insane.

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<v Speaker 1>Can't do that. That's why they wear such ugly shoes.

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<v Speaker 2>That's why they wear such ugly shoes and such ugly

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<v Speaker 2>clothes too. I mean, I know people are trying to

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<v Speaker 2>like really up the scrubs game. They're like these influencer

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<v Speaker 2>scrubs figs or whatever, but like those are not that

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<v Speaker 2>cute either.

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<v Speaker 1>So I used to wear scrubs as a kid a

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<v Speaker 1>lot because my dad, my dad worked at the hospital,

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<v Speaker 1>and I don't know, because he used to like bring

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<v Speaker 1>them home and whenever we spent the weekend at his house,

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<v Speaker 1>like after my parents got divorced, like that's always what

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<v Speaker 1>I would wear to sleep was in the hospital. I

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<v Speaker 1>do think I've talked about this before, my intense love

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<v Speaker 1>for hospital food because we used to go visit my

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<v Speaker 1>dad for the hospital at the hospital, and he would

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<v Speaker 1>take us to the cafeteria.

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<v Speaker 2>Do you still like hospital food?

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<v Speaker 1>I do have this weird appreciation for kind of institutionalized

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<v Speaker 1>food that is made in huge batches, like airplane food,

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<v Speaker 1>like airplane food, cafeteria food of any kind, and hospital

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<v Speaker 1>food really gives me that When was the last time

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<v Speaker 1>you were in a hospital as a patient that wasn't

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<v Speaker 1>just like an appointment, Like when was the last time

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<v Speaker 1>you needed care from the hospital in a sort of

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<v Speaker 1>extended way as a patient? I mean, have I already

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<v Speaker 1>told you the story about when my long spontaneously collapsed? No?

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<v Speaker 2>Apparently No. Okay, let me see if I can tell

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<v Speaker 2>the short version. The short version is I was in college.

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<v Speaker 2>I was working as an eighteen hour credit student. I

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<v Speaker 2>was also a closeted smoker, which was something that I

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<v Speaker 2>kept for my boyfriend at the time. And it's just

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<v Speaker 2>an extremely stressed out, very skinny person. I was probably

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<v Speaker 2>like one hundred and thirty five one hundred and forty

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<v Speaker 2>pounds as a consequence of a recently healed eating disorder

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<v Speaker 2>back in twenty whatever the fuck?

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<v Speaker 1>Okay I rushed music videos.

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<v Speaker 2>Sorry, yeah, I'm not skinny. I mean I'm still skinny,

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<v Speaker 2>but whatever. Anyways, this is all relevant information because one

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<v Speaker 2>day I was in the library of studying for an

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<v Speaker 2>Italian test because I took Italian because I had read

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<v Speaker 2>epre Love and thought it was a phenomenal piece of.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh my god, I was watching epray Love this morning.

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<v Speaker 2>What what for work for? What it was for work?

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<v Speaker 2>And I leaned over the back of my chair and

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<v Speaker 2>I heard a little pup and I was like, what

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<v Speaker 2>was that, James, Well, what was that, James? And then

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<v Speaker 2>I leaned back over and I was like, oh, like

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<v Speaker 2>my back was cracking.

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<v Speaker 1>That was weird.

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<v Speaker 2>And then I was experiencing what was probably the worst

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<v Speaker 2>possible pain I've ever experienced in my entire life. And

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<v Speaker 2>I was like, what the fuck just happened? And then

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<v Speaker 2>in my head, I was like, is this what it

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<v Speaker 2>feels like when people throw their back out? Like is

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<v Speaker 2>am I experiencing like back problems for the first time?

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<v Speaker 2>And anyways, I, you know, was too poor, like I

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<v Speaker 2>it was at a time and honestly still is that

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<v Speaker 2>time where it's like I'm not going to go to

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<v Speaker 2>the doctor's office just to give them fifty dollars to

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<v Speaker 2>like tell me that like, I, you know, broke my

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<v Speaker 2>back or whatever, or that my back is like hurting.

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<v Speaker 2>It's just like, yeah, I knew that. But I went

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<v Speaker 2>two full days wandering around campus being an eighteen hour

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<v Speaker 2>credit student. I was a commuter biker. I jogged every

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<v Speaker 2>single day five mile. I did all of that for

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<v Speaker 2>two days and an excruciating kind of quote unquote back pain,

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<v Speaker 2>which I found out was not a back pain when

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<v Speaker 2>I finally did go to urgent care and then they

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<v Speaker 2>did an X ray on me and they were like, yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>so you had a spontaneous pneumothorax. You literally only have

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<v Speaker 2>one lung right now and have had one lung for

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<v Speaker 2>two days. You need to go to the er immediately.

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<v Speaker 2>Would you like an ambulance? And they fixed it like

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<v Speaker 2>fifteen minutes. It's actually a really simple surgery, and it's

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<v Speaker 2>an incredibly common thing that happens to a very small

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<v Speaker 2>number of people who are usually stressed and or really

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<v Speaker 2>skinny and or smokers. And I was all three at

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<v Speaker 2>the time.

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<v Speaker 1>Did you have to be put under anesthesia?

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<v Speaker 2>I don't think I did need to, but I was like,

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<v Speaker 2>you're doing that. I'm like not going to be awake

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<v Speaker 2>for this, like I do. I can't experience that.

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<v Speaker 1>Being put under anesthesia is so cunty. It's so nice,

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<v Speaker 1>Like I I got something done in when was it

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<v Speaker 1>like twenty twenty one? That's I don't know if you

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<v Speaker 1>remember this. I had a.

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<v Speaker 2>Little and.

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<v Speaker 1>I just like that feeling of like being conscious one

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<v Speaker 1>moment and then suddenly awake another moment, completely somewhere else

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<v Speaker 1>under very different circumstances is such a gag.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, wait, okay.

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<v Speaker 1>That's how I wish I fell asleep every night. Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>I want to be put under anesthesia every night. That

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<v Speaker 1>would be very bad for your brain. Cares, but who cares.

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<v Speaker 2>Estheticians are probably making bank for not that big of

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<v Speaker 2>a skill set.

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<v Speaker 1>Right.

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<v Speaker 2>You have to go to so much less school to

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<v Speaker 2>be an esthetician, right.

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<v Speaker 1>Or an estheticianth ansty ziologist.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, that's what it is. That's what they're called. I

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<v Speaker 2>am Okay. Have you ever had a doctor that you

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<v Speaker 2>liked slash? Is it our doctor from La Doctor V?

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<v Speaker 1>Doctor V? I loved doctor V and I do miss him,

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<v Speaker 1>although so I recently restarted care at Colin Lore because

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<v Speaker 1>since I moved back here, I have been saying over

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<v Speaker 1>and over that I wanted to find a doctor at

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<v Speaker 1>a private practice. I really didn't want to go to

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<v Speaker 1>a queer health center. And then I realized my estrogym

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<v Speaker 1>was running out, and I was like, fuck, I guess

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<v Speaker 1>I just have to go back to coun lord, because

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<v Speaker 1>it's just the easiest thing, even though it is not

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<v Speaker 1>easy in literally any way. But I'm going to the

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<v Speaker 1>Brooklyn one, so that makes things like marginally better. But yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>I really missed doctor V, our gay ass doctor from.

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<v Speaker 2>LA, the gayest doctor, such a competent, like runs his

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<v Speaker 2>practice like a machine, a well oiled machine.

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<v Speaker 1>I miss And he's hot. He is hot.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, he was hot.

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<v Speaker 1>I got recommended him from and it was like, this

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<v Speaker 1>is a gay doctor that all the girls go all

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<v Speaker 1>the girls go to.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah kind of yeah, and I he So I worked

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<v Speaker 2>with doctor V for a bit and then there was

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<v Speaker 2>someone else in his practice, and doctor Jake Collins, who

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<v Speaker 2>then became my primary care physician and also put me

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<v Speaker 2>on estradeal honestly, which is kind of a big deal.

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<v Speaker 2>And my whole experience of that was so seamless and

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<v Speaker 2>easy and unquestioned. I loved it, and I love doctor Collins,

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<v Speaker 2>and honestly, so this is in COVID era and so

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<v Speaker 2>everybody was still in masks one hundred percent of the time,

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<v Speaker 2>so I didn't really know what doctor Collins looked like.

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<v Speaker 2>But one day I was scrolling through Instagram, and turns

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<v Speaker 2>out he's like a hot doctor influencer and he has

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<v Speaker 2>a kick in bod and the most gorgeous face I've

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<v Speaker 2>ever looked at in my entire life, one that I've

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<v Speaker 2>never seen because it's always been under a mask. And

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<v Speaker 2>I was like, what the fuck this man just had

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<v Speaker 2>his like rubber gloved fingers in my whole, like checking

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<v Speaker 2>for prostate cancer or whatever. Yeah, but I would love

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<v Speaker 2>to fuck a doctor. I would love to marry a doctor.

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<v Speaker 2>I would love to marry it.

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<v Speaker 1>Because they would not be home a lot.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah exactly.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh, and they would get me, you know, they would

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<v Speaker 1>prescribe me whatever I want to wait, you know, those

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<v Speaker 1>pills forever.

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<v Speaker 2>You know what really fulfills this fantasy for me of

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<v Speaker 2>being married to a doctor is the kids are all right,

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<v Speaker 2>starring on at Benning and Julian More because Annette Benning

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<v Speaker 2>is famously kind of the tied up, stuck up like

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<v Speaker 2>work bitch doctor mom, and like her like over commitment

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<v Speaker 2>to work is like part of what is like wedging

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<v Speaker 2>her relationship to Anette Benning that in the fact that

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<v Speaker 2>she's like fucking the gardener. But I just remember bearing

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<v Speaker 2>witness to their relationship and how loving and supportive it was,

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<v Speaker 2>and I was like, yeah, you know, in a gay relationship,

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<v Speaker 2>a lot of times there's an Annette and there's a

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<v Speaker 2>Julianne Moore, and I'm always the Annette. But I would love.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh and I'm the julian of this relationship. I'm definitely

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<v Speaker 1>the Julianne. I would I'm on the redhead.

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<v Speaker 2>I would disagree because you're very get shit done. But yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>I guess, like on paper because your redhead, you like

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<v Speaker 2>legally do have to be Julianne Moore. However, I would

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<v Speaker 2>say I wish I was the Julianne Moore. And I

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<v Speaker 2>feel like I would like to have a relationship where

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<v Speaker 2>I'm the Julianne Moore and the one that's just kind

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<v Speaker 2>of like, I don't really know what I'm doing for

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<v Speaker 2>my career. I'll start like four businesses. Can I buy

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<v Speaker 2>a truck?

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<v Speaker 1>Mommy?

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<v Speaker 2>Like that's what I want to be, but I'm not.

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<v Speaker 2>Then maybe one day, maybe one day, I'll be taken

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<v Speaker 2>care of by a daddy.

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<v Speaker 1>Doctor. You know what doctors always make me think of

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<v Speaker 1>is my is Highlights magazine? Do you remember Highlight? You

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<v Speaker 1>remember it was like the magazine for parents and it

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<v Speaker 1>was always in the pediatricians office.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, with that geo kids, Yeah, I mean a Nickelodeon magazine.

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<v Speaker 1>Did you grow up hating going to the doctor.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I'm pretty sure my parents didn't have We didn't

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<v Speaker 2>have fights about it, which was great, Like I knew

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<v Speaker 2>I had to go, but I hated. Yeah, I hated doctors.

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<v Speaker 2>The only doctors I enjoyed going to were eye doctors.

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<v Speaker 2>I think the I think weird. I think taking eye

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<v Speaker 2>exams is really fun.

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<v Speaker 1>Do you are you squeamish about giving blood?

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<v Speaker 2>No, I'm not. I'm a little bit of a baby sometimes,

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<v Speaker 2>but like I just look at my phone now and

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<v Speaker 2>I'm fine because I feel like I have to get

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<v Speaker 2>blood work done all the time because I'm gay.

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<v Speaker 1>What about you, I like actively enjoy giving blood.

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<v Speaker 2>You're like peah, I mean, oh, that's all you're gonna take.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, I do have some more. Something that's happened in

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<v Speaker 1>the past couple of years is I apparently my veins

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<v Speaker 1>are really hard to find, either because I have like

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know, like thick skin, or they're like really

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<v Speaker 1>recessed or something. So it usually takes the nurse a

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<v Speaker 1>really long time to find my veins and toms. Sometimes

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<v Speaker 1>they will have to insert the needle in many times

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<v Speaker 1>before they find you love in. I love it a

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<v Speaker 1>little bit. I mean I really don't have a problem

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<v Speaker 1>with like doing doing my shots. You know, when I

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<v Speaker 1>inject estrogen, I I just like am not squeamish about

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<v Speaker 1>blood all Like I never flinch when a needle gets

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<v Speaker 1>put in me. The other day, I was getting tattooed,

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<v Speaker 1>and like my friend who was doing my tattoos, like

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<v Speaker 1>kept asking are you okay? Are you okay? And I

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<v Speaker 1>was like, yeah, I'm fine. I mean up until like

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<v Speaker 1>the fourth I haven't even seen your new tattoo yet.

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<v Speaker 1>I have five new tattoos.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, we'll see them after I fall asleep during tattoo appointments,

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<v Speaker 2>especially now that I get stick in pokes from my

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<v Speaker 2>friend Elliott. Those are like jet they feel nice, they

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<v Speaker 2>feel like good.

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<v Speaker 1>The first four were fine, and then once we.

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<v Speaker 3>Got to my leg that started to become a little

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<v Speaker 3>bit of an issue.

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<v Speaker 1>Obviously. Like when you're trans you know, doctor, and I think,

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<v Speaker 1>just like being queer in general, like doctors become a

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<v Speaker 1>much bigger part of your life. Because before I started

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<v Speaker 1>medically transitioning, I saw a doctor you know, on a

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<v Speaker 1>like a good decade, you know, once every couple of years,

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<v Speaker 1>you know when I was a kid, obviously I saw

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<v Speaker 1>I saw a doctor like once a year for a physical.

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<v Speaker 1>But you know, being trans like you have to be

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<v Speaker 1>much more aware of what's going on in your body.

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<v Speaker 1>And then also if you factor being on prep into it,

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<v Speaker 1>then you have to see a doctor every three months

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<v Speaker 1>to get your blood work done. I I don't know,

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<v Speaker 1>Like I think I now feel a lot less intimidated

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<v Speaker 1>by medical stuff than before I started transitioning. Like there

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<v Speaker 1>were definitely in my sort of like lawless twenties from

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<v Speaker 1>college to when I started transitioning. Like in my later twenties,

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<v Speaker 1>I like I didn't go to the doctor for years.

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<v Speaker 1>I like had no idea what was going on in

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<v Speaker 1>my body. But I was also young enough that it

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<v Speaker 1>didn't really matter, Like I was always bouncing back from this.

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<v Speaker 1>That's kind of tea, Like we really should get regularly

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<v Speaker 1>checked up, especially when it comes to like screenings and

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<v Speaker 1>cancer stuff, but for the most part in your early twenties,

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<v Speaker 1>like you do not need to be This is like

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<v Speaker 1>such terrible advice, but it's true. You may so much

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<v Speaker 1>to just visit the doctor because you're supposed to as

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<v Speaker 1>especially when it comes to like dentists and I doctors

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<v Speaker 1>and all this shit, and then you end up throwing

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<v Speaker 1>away so much money on copays in medicine you don't

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<v Speaker 1>actually need or like things that you never asked for

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<v Speaker 1>and you don't need it, like you're gonna be fine

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<v Speaker 1>through your twenties, like go to the hour when you

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<v Speaker 1>need to. But now in my mid thirties, I'm medicated,

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<v Speaker 1>boots boots down.

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<v Speaker 2>And let me tell you, just buy within an inch

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<v Speaker 2>of my life medicated because health insurance.

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<v Speaker 1>Don't even get me started. I'm still on my California

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<v Speaker 1>health insurance have not changed.

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<v Speaker 2>So you're paying like six hundred dollars a month.

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<v Speaker 1>No, no, no, I'm paying like nothing. Oh. I'm on the

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<v Speaker 1>health insurance that I got when I left my last

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<v Speaker 1>job and went on unemployment. Oh, I pay like nothing.

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<v Speaker 1>And you were still covered by doctor V No no, no,

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<v Speaker 1>I stopped going to doctor V.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh but what but didn't Oh so you didn't have

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<v Speaker 2>your insurance?

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<v Speaker 1>No no no oh I see No I didn't do like

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<v Speaker 1>the I didn't switch my health insurance. I went on

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<v Speaker 1>like the very basic like Medicaid insurance I see, or medicare,

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<v Speaker 1>which one is for old people, Medicare or Medicaid.

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<v Speaker 2>I think Medicare is for old people. Okay, so Medicaid

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<v Speaker 2>but oh no, no, no, a Medicare is for us. Medicaid

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<v Speaker 2>is for.

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<v Speaker 1>Old Well, it hasn't been a problem yet. I mean

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<v Speaker 1>I haven't been to the doctor a lot this year.

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<v Speaker 1>I only went for the first time outside of like

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<v Speaker 1>going to urgent care when I had strapped throat. I

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<v Speaker 1>just went to Calen Lord for the first time to

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<v Speaker 1>start care there again, and like they didn't even have

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<v Speaker 1>my current email or phone number, like it is it's

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<v Speaker 1>been a while. And I the day that I went

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<v Speaker 1>to calen Lord, I saw two people I knew, and

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<v Speaker 1>then afterwards I tweeted something about Callen Lord and someone

0:20:52.560 --> 0:20:55.880
<v Speaker 1>I mutuals with messaged me and was like I sent

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<v Speaker 1>this to my friend at calen Lord and they were like, oh,

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<v Speaker 1>Rose Damu was just here.

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<v Speaker 2>So it's like everyone knows. It's so bad.

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<v Speaker 1>It's so annoying, and like that sounds very annoying to say, like,

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<v Speaker 1>but it is like the place where there's high the

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<v Speaker 1>highest likelihood that someone will recognize one of us, because

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<v Speaker 1>like it is very It's like when I went to

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<v Speaker 1>see Caroline, Polo Jack and Ethyl Kane, Like I knew

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<v Speaker 1>that was a place where people were going to come

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<v Speaker 1>up to me and like know who I was because

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<v Speaker 1>they listened to this podcast or like follow me on

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<v Speaker 1>Twitter or whatever. And the Venn diagram between people who

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<v Speaker 1>go to a Caroline Polcheck Ethyl Kane show and people

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<v Speaker 1>who go to Callen Lord is basically a circle. And

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<v Speaker 1>that is honestly like the last place where I want

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<v Speaker 1>to have an awareness that people have an awareness of me,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, And like that's very like not a relatable problem,

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<v Speaker 1>So I don't want to give it any more airtime.

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<v Speaker 1>But it is weird too, because like when you are

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<v Speaker 1>doing medical stuff, especially as a trans person, you are

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<v Speaker 1>making yourself extremely vulnerable. And that's not when I want

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<v Speaker 1>to be worried about like someone being like like oh

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<v Speaker 1>my god, I love oh my god, I love your Twitter.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it's like, don't I mean to have the sense

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<v Speaker 2>to like not walk out to or acknowledge people at

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<v Speaker 2>the doctor when they're at the doctors. I hope people

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<v Speaker 2>at least know that, But like, no, I experienced the

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<v Speaker 2>same thing. I love Calm Lord. I stand like a

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<v Speaker 2>lot of the fundraising or organizing that they do, but

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<v Speaker 2>for my needs I go to APACHA, which is a

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<v Speaker 2>comparable like medical initiative for trans people, and I get

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<v Speaker 2>recognized there. I've seen people I know there. But I

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<v Speaker 2>will say, from my experience, because everybody I'm talking to

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<v Speaker 2>or potentially being recognized by are like queer trans, it

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<v Speaker 2>is a little easier to be there because I'm like, Okay,

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<v Speaker 2>we're all here for probably the same or similar reason.

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<v Speaker 2>So I don't feel a type of way about it.

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<v Speaker 2>But yeah, I think it's not much to ask for

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<v Speaker 2>privacy in your place of medical care. You know what

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<v Speaker 2>I mean. That shouldn't be It shouldn't be a thing.

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<v Speaker 1>I know. It feels like doctor patient confidentiality. I extend

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<v Speaker 1>to like being at any kind of medical center.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm also realizing, actually that what you've named is actually

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<v Speaker 2>such a problem that I do. I do wear sunglasses

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<v Speaker 2>when I go into the doctor's office because I'm like,

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<v Speaker 2>I I wear hat, I wear sunglasses. I was like,

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<v Speaker 2>I don't want I don't want anybody talking.

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<v Speaker 1>He was like, going to Colin Lord a couple of

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<v Speaker 1>weeks ago. I made sure that I like looked okay,

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<v Speaker 1>because I was like, I know, I'm going to at

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<v Speaker 1>the very least run into people that I know.

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<v Speaker 2>And when we went to the doctor, when we went

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<v Speaker 2>to doctor V, honey, we were stunting. I love. I

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<v Speaker 2>looked so good for doctor V. I was like, I

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<v Speaker 2>was like, this is a nice little medical facility, and

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<v Speaker 2>these are some nice young men touching me.

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<v Speaker 1>I miss doctor V so much and the way he said.

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<v Speaker 3>But but boot.

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<v Speaker 1>There was a period when I was in college when

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<v Speaker 1>I used to watch a lot of surgery videos. What.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, but this was after you already decided you're not

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<v Speaker 2>going to be a surgeon anymore.

0:24:04.640 --> 0:24:08.080
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, but like like in my in my like early

0:24:08.160 --> 0:24:10.639
<v Speaker 1>to mid twenties, I used to watch surgery videos on

0:24:10.720 --> 0:24:16.000
<v Speaker 1>YouTube a lot for fun. Yeah. Ah, yeah, like the

0:24:16.240 --> 0:24:18.720
<v Speaker 1>that's kind of gory, like open heart surgery.

0:24:18.960 --> 0:24:20.080
<v Speaker 2>So you're not squeamish about that.

0:24:20.680 --> 0:24:23.359
<v Speaker 1>I actually have become a lot more squeamish in my

0:24:23.560 --> 0:24:28.720
<v Speaker 1>old age. Yeah, I see, I can't do It's not

0:24:28.800 --> 0:24:31.880
<v Speaker 1>the gore that bothers me. It's sort of like weird

0:24:32.080 --> 0:24:35.200
<v Speaker 1>body stuff that bothers me, like weird holes and things

0:24:35.240 --> 0:24:35.520
<v Speaker 1>like that.

0:24:37.320 --> 0:24:41.119
<v Speaker 2>I have a question, Yeah, are there weird holes? H

0:24:41.680 --> 0:24:46.480
<v Speaker 2>Are there any sort of medical appointments or plans you

0:24:46.760 --> 0:24:51.080
<v Speaker 2>are making for yourself in any sort of future that

0:24:51.119 --> 0:24:53.120
<v Speaker 2>you have to then go to a doctor for.

0:24:55.480 --> 0:24:59.800
<v Speaker 1>Are you asking me if I want to get gender.

0:25:00.200 --> 0:25:01.919
<v Speaker 2>You and I have talked about FFS before, and at

0:25:01.920 --> 0:25:03.879
<v Speaker 2>a certain point you really wanted it, and now you

0:25:04.000 --> 0:25:05.640
<v Speaker 2>kind of don't. I don't know if that's on the you.

0:25:05.680 --> 0:25:08.560
<v Speaker 1>No, I do want it, and I'm kind of in

0:25:08.600 --> 0:25:11.800
<v Speaker 1>a moment of like looking at my life and figuring

0:25:11.840 --> 0:25:15.000
<v Speaker 1>out what I want now, being like a year out

0:25:15.040 --> 0:25:17.760
<v Speaker 1>from having left a corporate job and like being a

0:25:17.760 --> 0:25:21.600
<v Speaker 1>full time creative and something I want that you and

0:25:21.640 --> 0:25:23.480
<v Speaker 1>I have talked about is like I do think I

0:25:23.520 --> 0:25:25.560
<v Speaker 1>want to have a job again, And a big part

0:25:25.560 --> 0:25:28.120
<v Speaker 1>of that is that I do kind of kick myself

0:25:28.119 --> 0:25:32.720
<v Speaker 1>for not taking advantage of having really good healthcare when

0:25:32.920 --> 0:25:35.280
<v Speaker 1>I had a corporate job and just getting a lot

0:25:35.320 --> 0:25:40.159
<v Speaker 1>of gender affirming surgery. So that is part of the

0:25:40.200 --> 0:25:42.439
<v Speaker 1>appeal to me of having a job again, is just

0:25:42.480 --> 0:25:44.840
<v Speaker 1>like being able to get a lot of really cunty

0:25:44.920 --> 0:25:48.280
<v Speaker 1>plastic surgery, and like, that is something I want and

0:25:48.760 --> 0:25:51.240
<v Speaker 1>I have gone so back and forth on it because

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<v Speaker 1>I am one of the few trans women I know

0:25:56.359 --> 0:26:02.560
<v Speaker 1>who's had no gender affirming surgery, and I would wow,

0:26:02.800 --> 0:26:05.320
<v Speaker 1>would you say few, you would say few. I think

0:26:05.520 --> 0:26:14.000
<v Speaker 1>most trans women I know well have had stuff done

0:26:14.080 --> 0:26:15.800
<v Speaker 1>and like, you know, I don't think we need to

0:26:15.800 --> 0:26:18.399
<v Speaker 1>talk about like our friends and I've not done, but

0:26:19.160 --> 0:26:23.760
<v Speaker 1>you know, like it is a passage now expect it is,

0:26:23.840 --> 0:26:27.199
<v Speaker 1>it is expected, and like especially too, I don't know,

0:26:28.040 --> 0:26:31.239
<v Speaker 1>but kinds of dolls, yeah, certain kinds of dolls, and like,

0:26:31.480 --> 0:26:36.000
<v Speaker 1>I have gone back and forth so much over you know,

0:26:36.119 --> 0:26:40.080
<v Speaker 1>the past seven years about whether it's something I want

0:26:40.200 --> 0:26:44.080
<v Speaker 1>or not, and I've I've swung really far on the

0:26:44.119 --> 0:26:48.359
<v Speaker 1>pendulum both ways at different times, and I I guess

0:26:48.359 --> 0:26:52.400
<v Speaker 1>I am at a point now where I it is

0:26:52.600 --> 0:26:54.600
<v Speaker 1>something that I want. I'm not sure what, I'm not

0:26:54.640 --> 0:26:59.639
<v Speaker 1>sure when I'm not sure how severe. But yeah, I

0:26:59.680 --> 0:27:01.439
<v Speaker 1>mean there's is part of me that just wants to

0:27:01.520 --> 0:27:06.200
<v Speaker 1>like fully redo your face transform in some way.

0:27:06.600 --> 0:27:09.240
<v Speaker 2>I mean, who doesn't. It's such a it's such a

0:27:09.280 --> 0:27:14.000
<v Speaker 2>wish fulfillment thing, like very like the Swan very Disney

0:27:14.000 --> 0:27:19.040
<v Speaker 2>princess Asque, like the posts end or fundraisers and or

0:27:19.200 --> 0:27:23.639
<v Speaker 2>parties that we witness to in Brooklyn for the dolls

0:27:23.680 --> 0:27:28.480
<v Speaker 2>and their ffs creates this kind of reveal that I

0:27:28.480 --> 0:27:31.199
<v Speaker 2>think is really amazing and beautiful to behold. But then

0:27:31.200 --> 0:27:34.919
<v Speaker 2>it also creates this kind of standard of something that

0:27:34.960 --> 0:27:37.760
<v Speaker 2>you want to be a part of, because who because

0:27:37.800 --> 0:27:41.359
<v Speaker 2>I know, I you know, look says people. Gender firming

0:27:41.400 --> 0:27:46.919
<v Speaker 2>care is not about beauty, but also it is, and

0:27:46.960 --> 0:27:49.159
<v Speaker 2>we all want to be beautiful, and and when we

0:27:49.240 --> 0:27:52.400
<v Speaker 2>get when we come out of surgery, we are pushing

0:27:52.400 --> 0:27:55.639
<v Speaker 2>a button and dropping thousands of dollars or our insurance

0:27:55.640 --> 0:27:59.320
<v Speaker 2>companies are dropping thousands of dollars to make us more beautiful.

0:27:59.680 --> 0:28:02.280
<v Speaker 2>And that is more often than not for our literal

0:28:02.320 --> 0:28:08.040
<v Speaker 2>safety and or daily psychological survival. But also like, not

0:28:08.080 --> 0:28:10.840
<v Speaker 2>everyone needs it, not everyone should have to feel pressured

0:28:10.840 --> 0:28:12.120
<v Speaker 2>to get it, but you.

0:28:12.000 --> 0:28:15.560
<v Speaker 1>Know, it is. I do really like that. I know

0:28:15.680 --> 0:28:18.920
<v Speaker 1>so many people who have had really like the whole

0:28:18.920 --> 0:28:22.399
<v Speaker 1>spectrum of gender affirming care, and so I have people

0:28:22.440 --> 0:28:24.920
<v Speaker 1>that I can ask about their experiences. Like last year,

0:28:24.960 --> 0:28:28.000
<v Speaker 1>I was considering having an orchaectomy and talk to people

0:28:28.400 --> 0:28:30.480
<v Speaker 1>that I knew who had had one, and ultimately decided

0:28:30.520 --> 0:28:33.880
<v Speaker 1>that it was not for me at that moment. Maybe ever,

0:28:34.160 --> 0:28:38.320
<v Speaker 1>I don't know, And right now, like something that's been

0:28:38.320 --> 0:28:40.600
<v Speaker 1>on my mind a lot is like vocal cord surgery

0:28:40.600 --> 0:28:42.680
<v Speaker 1>because my voice is the thing that I'm probably the

0:28:42.720 --> 0:28:45.600
<v Speaker 1>most dysporic about, although recently a lot of people have

0:28:45.640 --> 0:28:48.040
<v Speaker 1>been telling me that they love my voice and that

0:28:48.120 --> 0:28:52.120
<v Speaker 1>they find it very soothing. And when we were on

0:28:52.200 --> 0:28:55.600
<v Speaker 1>Fire Island, that was the thing that made people recognize

0:28:55.640 --> 0:28:58.080
<v Speaker 1>me the most. Like it happened multiple times on the boardwalk.

0:28:58.280 --> 0:29:00.400
<v Speaker 1>Someone would hear me talking and then turn and around

0:29:00.400 --> 0:29:01.920
<v Speaker 1>and be like, oh my god, I love your podcast.

0:29:02.280 --> 0:29:03.040
<v Speaker 1>So that's funny.

0:29:03.280 --> 0:29:06.800
<v Speaker 2>That's a high compliment, but also kind of even further

0:29:06.920 --> 0:29:09.760
<v Speaker 2>encouraging reason to do it so that you've become even

0:29:09.800 --> 0:29:11.480
<v Speaker 2>more uncor And.

0:29:11.400 --> 0:29:14.000
<v Speaker 1>There's someone there's someone who I follow on TikTok right

0:29:14.040 --> 0:29:16.960
<v Speaker 1>now who is about to start or who is about

0:29:17.000 --> 0:29:20.040
<v Speaker 1>to get vocal court surgery. So I'm just very I'm

0:29:20.120 --> 0:29:24.640
<v Speaker 1>very interested in and she is someone who creates a

0:29:24.680 --> 0:29:27.800
<v Speaker 1>lot of content about their transition, so I'm very interested

0:29:27.800 --> 0:29:30.600
<v Speaker 1>to see what that process is like for her, And

0:29:30.920 --> 0:29:33.200
<v Speaker 1>you know, maybe at some point in the future do

0:29:33.240 --> 0:29:36.560
<v Speaker 1>that for myself. But you know, like that's not necessarily

0:29:36.600 --> 0:29:39.840
<v Speaker 1>something I'm ever going to be super public about, and

0:29:41.120 --> 0:29:44.000
<v Speaker 1>I don't think I like necessarily owe it to talk

0:29:44.040 --> 0:29:47.920
<v Speaker 1>to anyone about it. And I also like fully feel

0:29:47.960 --> 0:29:52.040
<v Speaker 1>like I have the right to to do it all

0:29:52.280 --> 0:29:55.160
<v Speaker 1>or to absolutely change my mind and do none of it.

0:29:55.480 --> 0:30:02.440
<v Speaker 1>And you know, because like it's not like unfortunately, like

0:30:02.480 --> 0:30:05.360
<v Speaker 1>as we're talking about doctors, like gender firming care specifically

0:30:06.000 --> 0:30:13.320
<v Speaker 1>is not just about you and your gender and like, uh,

0:30:13.400 --> 0:30:15.560
<v Speaker 1>the way you like appear in the world. It also

0:30:15.640 --> 0:30:23.560
<v Speaker 1>is about navigating and extremely like transphobic and like bureaucratic industry,

0:30:24.000 --> 0:30:28.120
<v Speaker 1>and like going to doing any kind of medical care

0:30:28.240 --> 0:30:33.800
<v Speaker 1>is extremely daunting, and especially stuff that's like very tied

0:30:34.840 --> 0:30:37.000
<v Speaker 1>to your gender is just a nightmare. And I also

0:30:37.080 --> 0:30:41.840
<v Speaker 1>just hate bureaucracy and like filling out forms that is

0:30:41.840 --> 0:30:46.280
<v Speaker 1>probably the thing that the has the most prohibited me

0:30:46.800 --> 0:30:50.080
<v Speaker 1>from getting from getting any gender firming care is like

0:30:50.800 --> 0:30:55.840
<v Speaker 1>scheduling appointments, having to deal with insurance companies like that.

0:30:56.000 --> 0:30:59.360
<v Speaker 1>If honestly, if like when I was like a corporate batty,

0:30:59.640 --> 0:31:02.560
<v Speaker 1>if I could have paid someone to like you could have,

0:31:02.640 --> 0:31:05.200
<v Speaker 1>I probably could have, and I should have paid me.

0:31:05.360 --> 0:31:07.080
<v Speaker 1>And that is something that I kicked myself for. It's

0:31:07.080 --> 0:31:10.400
<v Speaker 1>like I should have like hired like a like a

0:31:10.440 --> 0:31:11.960
<v Speaker 1>transition assistant.

0:31:13.160 --> 0:31:16.000
<v Speaker 2>Actually that has to be a thing. It probably already is.

0:31:16.040 --> 0:31:17.880
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, someone out there if someone out there, if you're

0:31:17.880 --> 0:31:21.040
<v Speaker 1>looking for like a new a new industry, like a

0:31:21.080 --> 0:31:24.600
<v Speaker 1>cottage industry to start, you should be like a like

0:31:25.120 --> 0:31:27.720
<v Speaker 1>transition doula doula.

0:31:27.920 --> 0:31:49.640
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, so maybe like you and also not like you.

0:31:49.800 --> 0:31:53.240
<v Speaker 2>So I honestly feel very comfortable on the podcast talking

0:31:53.240 --> 0:31:55.320
<v Speaker 2>about a lot of things that I otherwise wouldn't in

0:31:55.440 --> 0:31:59.400
<v Speaker 2>mixed company or on social media. So like, I honestly

0:31:59.440 --> 0:32:03.760
<v Speaker 2>feel great talking about like surgery stuff here. And also, like,

0:32:04.240 --> 0:32:06.600
<v Speaker 2>you know, if when I do ever get I mean,

0:32:06.640 --> 0:32:09.440
<v Speaker 2>when I do eventually get like gender affirming care of

0:32:09.480 --> 0:32:12.320
<v Speaker 2>any kind, I will absolutely talk to anyone about it

0:32:13.120 --> 0:32:17.160
<v Speaker 2>if they're also seeking care, because that exchange of information

0:32:17.280 --> 0:32:20.719
<v Speaker 2>is just so crucial, not just referrals whether you had

0:32:20.720 --> 0:32:23.200
<v Speaker 2>a good experience, what you did, what didn't go well,

0:32:23.280 --> 0:32:25.440
<v Speaker 2>things like that, things that you wish you had done.

0:32:26.440 --> 0:32:31.320
<v Speaker 2>I've already had n FFS consultation at a doctor that

0:32:31.760 --> 0:32:35.520
<v Speaker 2>two of my girlfriends went to. I'm not doing it

0:32:35.560 --> 0:32:39.520
<v Speaker 2>through my insurance. I'll do electrolysis through my insurance. I

0:32:39.560 --> 0:32:41.920
<v Speaker 2>would do a few other things through my insurance, but

0:32:41.960 --> 0:32:44.040
<v Speaker 2>I'm not doing my FFS through my insurance because I

0:32:44.080 --> 0:32:47.760
<v Speaker 2>was like, I'd much rather wait until I am wealthy

0:32:47.880 --> 0:32:52.880
<v Speaker 2>enough to pay for it because I want the best

0:32:53.000 --> 0:32:55.320
<v Speaker 2>that I can get, and that doesn't that's not to

0:32:55.360 --> 0:32:57.120
<v Speaker 2>say that there are, there isn't the best that you

0:32:57.120 --> 0:32:59.800
<v Speaker 2>can get under your insurance, but to do it through

0:32:59.800 --> 0:33:02.960
<v Speaker 2>and insurance is a longer process with a longer waiting

0:33:02.960 --> 0:33:05.920
<v Speaker 2>list and a slimmer and a slimmer group of people

0:33:05.960 --> 0:33:08.960
<v Speaker 2>to choose from, depending on what stay you're in and

0:33:09.200 --> 0:33:11.920
<v Speaker 2>like what like like what part of the country you're in,

0:33:12.240 --> 0:33:14.760
<v Speaker 2>and that's something where it's just like I would pay

0:33:15.000 --> 0:33:18.360
<v Speaker 2>to not have to deal with that, And I'm also

0:33:18.480 --> 0:33:20.760
<v Speaker 2>just not on a corporate insurance anymore, so I might

0:33:20.800 --> 0:33:22.240
<v Speaker 2>as well pay out a pocket right, if.

0:33:22.120 --> 0:33:24.520
<v Speaker 1>There's anyone out there who's listening to this podcast who

0:33:24.520 --> 0:33:27.560
<v Speaker 1>wants to give us free surgery, No, but that's let

0:33:27.640 --> 0:33:30.200
<v Speaker 1>us know, wait, this is so relevant. So I actually

0:33:30.280 --> 0:33:34.440
<v Speaker 1>would never do spawn con surgery like and that is

0:33:34.560 --> 0:33:37.520
<v Speaker 1>I'm saying knowing full well that that is a free

0:33:37.760 --> 0:33:42.080
<v Speaker 1>like thirty forty fifty thousand dollars like a worth of work.

0:33:42.200 --> 0:33:45.080
<v Speaker 1>Like I would never because I don't want people to

0:33:45.200 --> 0:33:47.960
<v Speaker 1>like look at my face and be like, yeah, that

0:33:48.120 --> 0:33:50.280
<v Speaker 1>was the face brought to you In part by doctor

0:33:50.400 --> 0:33:55.080
<v Speaker 1>Lee LSPC. Sorry I name dropped Caitlin Jenner and Dylan

0:33:55.120 --> 0:33:58.080
<v Speaker 1>mulvaney's FFS surgeon, but like I but like I just

0:33:58.080 --> 0:34:00.280
<v Speaker 1>don't want that, like no offense, Like I have no

0:34:00.360 --> 0:34:02.560
<v Speaker 1>compst with Dylan mlvany. I think that everybody needs to

0:34:02.560 --> 0:34:04.440
<v Speaker 1>do what they need to do, and her bag is influencing.

0:34:04.480 --> 0:34:06.720
<v Speaker 1>There's nothing wrong with that. But it's just like that's

0:34:06.720 --> 0:34:08.560
<v Speaker 1>not my bag, that's not the bad, that's not what

0:34:08.640 --> 0:34:09.040
<v Speaker 1>I want.

0:34:08.880 --> 0:34:10.799
<v Speaker 2>To be associate. That's not how I want people to

0:34:11.000 --> 0:34:14.160
<v Speaker 2>see me. And I don't want a little tag on

0:34:14.200 --> 0:34:18.640
<v Speaker 2>my face everywhere I go. You know what, That sounds

0:34:18.719 --> 0:34:21.319
<v Speaker 2>really anti capitalist, but it's actually just vain, Like I'm

0:34:21.360 --> 0:34:23.520
<v Speaker 2>just vain, and I don't want people to think that

0:34:23.560 --> 0:34:26.440
<v Speaker 2>I brought it. So like when I do get FFS

0:34:26.520 --> 0:34:29.359
<v Speaker 2>and any other gender firming care in that pool, I'm

0:34:29.360 --> 0:34:33.000
<v Speaker 2>not talking about it on social media like I'm disappearing.

0:34:33.120 --> 0:34:35.680
<v Speaker 2>All my friends will know I'm disappearing, and you will

0:34:35.719 --> 0:34:38.840
<v Speaker 2>see me back beautiful as a butterfly. It's such a

0:34:38.840 --> 0:34:41.400
<v Speaker 2>weird thing to talk about, honestly just because of the

0:34:41.400 --> 0:34:46.560
<v Speaker 2>beauty aspect, but also just like how weirdly we conflated

0:34:46.560 --> 0:34:49.520
<v Speaker 2>the medicalization of transnis with transnis itself, which is like

0:34:49.560 --> 0:34:54.120
<v Speaker 2>a conversation we don't have the time to have. But

0:34:54.239 --> 0:34:57.520
<v Speaker 2>I am endlessly grateful for all the girls that have

0:34:57.640 --> 0:34:59.960
<v Speaker 2>already done it and have been so willing to die

0:35:00.000 --> 0:35:04.319
<v Speaker 2>document fully on their stories and or close friends, like

0:35:05.040 --> 0:35:08.600
<v Speaker 2>the fluid draining, the stitches that they have, the weirdness

0:35:08.600 --> 0:35:10.879
<v Speaker 2>of how it sets in, like how much they can

0:35:10.920 --> 0:35:16.759
<v Speaker 2>talk or move their mouth like crazy. Detailed experiences of

0:35:16.800 --> 0:35:21.920
<v Speaker 2>medical transition now exists online on YouTube, on Instagram because

0:35:23.600 --> 0:35:26.120
<v Speaker 2>of this information exchange and also because of everyone's hunger

0:35:26.160 --> 0:35:27.080
<v Speaker 2>to be a little famous.

0:35:27.480 --> 0:35:31.480
<v Speaker 1>There was this girl on Twitter recently who shared this

0:35:31.680 --> 0:35:36.480
<v Speaker 1>text she had sent her dad who when this one

0:35:36.520 --> 0:35:39.480
<v Speaker 1>time her dad misgendered her and she sent him a

0:35:39.480 --> 0:35:44.239
<v Speaker 1>text of her post op pussy and was like, it's

0:35:44.320 --> 0:35:45.720
<v Speaker 1>she who by.

0:35:46.040 --> 0:35:48.759
<v Speaker 2>Word, that's how you do it?

0:35:48.880 --> 0:35:50.560
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I think that is so cunned.

0:35:50.719 --> 0:35:54.120
<v Speaker 2>Literally keep them serving cun am I right?

0:35:54.160 --> 0:35:54.359
<v Speaker 1>Wait?

0:35:54.360 --> 0:35:58.000
<v Speaker 2>What does she say, Luanne, Oh, I hope you keep

0:35:58.040 --> 0:36:00.839
<v Speaker 2>on serving cunts? I actually voice is kind of giving

0:36:00.840 --> 0:36:03.240
<v Speaker 2>her any are I hope you keep on serving conta?

0:36:05.200 --> 0:36:05.920
<v Speaker 2>That was not.

0:36:06.520 --> 0:36:09.800
<v Speaker 1>Should we should we do one last doctor? Role? Play

0:36:09.880 --> 0:36:10.839
<v Speaker 1>before we sign off.

0:36:10.920 --> 0:36:15.239
<v Speaker 2>Okay, yeah, okay, you're the doctor this time. Hi, I'm

0:36:15.480 --> 0:36:21.960
<v Speaker 2>doctor Luhanne. How are you doing today, young lady.

0:36:22.320 --> 0:36:27.400
<v Speaker 1>I'm great. So I'm here because I really want to

0:36:27.640 --> 0:36:31.759
<v Speaker 1>get Lady Gaga born this way cheekbones and I know

0:36:31.800 --> 0:36:35.359
<v Speaker 1>that you're like pre eminent in this field. Oh yes, we.

0:36:35.440 --> 0:36:39.719
<v Speaker 2>Have that procedure on our kind of offerings pamphlet here.

0:36:40.200 --> 0:36:42.120
<v Speaker 1>So what are the cheekbones made out of?

0:36:42.320 --> 0:36:45.000
<v Speaker 2>Well, okay, I'll have to ask. Hang on, let me

0:36:45.040 --> 0:36:47.600
<v Speaker 2>bring her out. We have Val from Glow up here,

0:36:47.680 --> 0:36:53.080
<v Speaker 2>who is going to be actually, oh my god, vow

0:36:53.840 --> 0:36:54.840
<v Speaker 2>dang Dong.

0:36:55.080 --> 0:36:56.080
<v Speaker 1>My name is Val.

0:36:58.600 --> 0:37:02.799
<v Speaker 2>I think you'll say is smashing and you don't need

0:37:02.920 --> 0:37:05.560
<v Speaker 2>a damn thing. Don't get f FS raise dom you.

0:37:06.040 --> 0:37:07.280
<v Speaker 2>That's kind of Australian.

0:37:07.320 --> 0:37:12.280
<v Speaker 1>I'm sorry, but Val, it is my right to choose

0:37:13.160 --> 0:37:17.439
<v Speaker 1>surgery for myself. So get that scalpel out and put

0:37:17.480 --> 0:37:19.320
<v Speaker 1>your whole pussy into these cheekbones.

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<v Speaker 2>a rose. What can I let me just get the

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<v Speaker 1>until next week. I guess so it's never really over

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<v Speaker 1>just because it SERVI doesn't miniaturally literally, and maybe you'll

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<v Speaker 1>becoming again. Talk to me about polysecure, girl.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm not finished enough with poly secure to give you

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<v Speaker 2>a full overview, but I will definitely tell you that

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<v Speaker 2>I know your attachment style and mine now.

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<v Speaker 1>And I feel that's what's what's mine.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, they're not like rigid labels, so I don't want

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<v Speaker 2>to like kind of like foreclose that onto you. And

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<v Speaker 2>I'm also nonprofessional, so I won't. I won't really, I

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<v Speaker 2>won't really describe more on the podcast, but.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know. I want to hear it. No, you

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<v Speaker 1>said it. Now you have to diagnose me.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, So for the virgins, everybody has like kind of

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<v Speaker 2>combination attachment styles a lot of the time. So this

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<v Speaker 2>is only one of your attachment styles, but I know

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<v Speaker 2>that one of them is this.

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<v Speaker 1>What did you like underline it in the book and

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<v Speaker 1>said this is.

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<v Speaker 2>Rose No, No, I didn't. Oh, it's called dismissive attachment.

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<v Speaker 1>Explain more.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, it's just like when because of of how you

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<v Speaker 2>are cultured and who you are, that you're you're used

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<v Speaker 2>to keeping people at an arm's length, which is true

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<v Speaker 2>when once again, like these are not like damning labels

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<v Speaker 2>that like prove who people are are they are they

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<v Speaker 2>are crutches that you know, we default to if we're

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<v Speaker 2>not plugged into like what it means to actually connect

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<v Speaker 2>with the person, which you are fully capable of.

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<v Speaker 1>Obviously, I don't want.

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<v Speaker 2>To unless you don't want to but like, I mean,

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<v Speaker 2>it's this. I mean my attachment style is like anxious

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<v Speaker 2>or like or avoidant, like or combo of those.

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<v Speaker 1>I would say, I would say, we're anxious, You're not really,

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<v Speaker 1>I don't actually see you as an avoid.

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<v Speaker 2>No, I'm I'm someone who well, it depends on the

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<v Speaker 2>circumstance and the relationship, because I am someone who can

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<v Speaker 2>shut people out of my brain and existence if I

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<v Speaker 2>want to, Like, I can be very out of sight,

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<v Speaker 2>out of mind, or like I can just choose to

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<v Speaker 2>not care about certain things in ways that I find avoidant.

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<v Speaker 2>But I'm also just not a professional. And I haven't

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<v Speaker 2>finished the book, so I think, like in a follow

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<v Speaker 2>up book, Corner, I'm definitely going to talk more about

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<v Speaker 2>poly Secure. Maybe we'll talk about Paul's politics the form

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<v Speaker 2>of Immortal Girl. Although I do say that every year

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<v Speaker 2>I've read months I say I'm going to read the

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<v Speaker 2>book that you're doing.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I don't really see I think this was us

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<v Speaker 1>talking about it.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah. That all that is to say, poll Secure is

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<v Speaker 2>something that I'm reading just because it's like relevant to

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<v Speaker 2>my life now, and I think that polyamorous relationships are fascinating.

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<v Speaker 2>I have no I don't have a ton of like

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<v Speaker 2>knowledge about them. And I think that regardless of whether

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<v Speaker 2>you are Polly or not, and I'm not, you can

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<v Speaker 2>learn a lot from poly forms of attachment and poly

0:41:37.560 --> 0:41:41.319
<v Speaker 2>structures of relationships because they're so much more liberated. I

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<v Speaker 2>think that's really cool. I also don't know if I've

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<v Speaker 2>ever seen a successful one happen.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I am trying to think of one. I, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>was giving a friend relationship advice recently, and I won't

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<v Speaker 1>go into too much detail, and I don't I'm not

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<v Speaker 1>really qualified to give relationship advice, but I did end

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<v Speaker 1>up saying that this thing that that I feel, which

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<v Speaker 1>is that I think, as you know, evolved queer people

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<v Speaker 1>in twenty twenty three, we are sort of expected to

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<v Speaker 1>be okay with polyamory or to have it as the

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<v Speaker 1>default in our relationships. And I wanted to, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>what I told this friend was, it's okay if you're not,

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<v Speaker 1>It's okay if you don't want, If it's okay to

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<v Speaker 1>not want to have an open relationship, Like it's there

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<v Speaker 1>is a reason why, Like I yes, I know, society

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<v Speaker 1>is like fucked up and we live in like this

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<v Speaker 1>horrible sycteropatriarchy, but like there is a reason why most

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<v Speaker 1>people are in monogamous relationships and like it it's Oh,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm not saying it's right, but I'm saying, like, it's

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<v Speaker 1>okay to want that because we've been conditioned to want it.

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<v Speaker 1>And you shouldn't force yourself to be in a polymagel.

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<v Speaker 1>You shouldn't force yourself to be polyamorous because you think

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<v Speaker 1>it's like the quote unquote right thing to do, as

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<v Speaker 1>especially as a queer person, if you're forcing yourself to

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<v Speaker 1>be poly for any reason, like you're already kind of

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<v Speaker 1>setting yourself up for failure. I'll agree with a lot

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<v Speaker 1>of what you said. You know, I think that monogamy

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<v Speaker 1>should be challenged, and like if I could push a

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<v Speaker 1>button and like relational fluidity where the default instead of monogamy,

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<v Speaker 1>Like I think that society would change, right, Like monogamy

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<v Speaker 1>is a product of a very specific kind of colonialism

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<v Speaker 1>and just like how the operate, how the world operates

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<v Speaker 1>in defaults because of like a kind of structure of

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<v Speaker 1>marriage and partnership that we've created. And I think that

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<v Speaker 1>polyamory is has been around for eons, yes, but is

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<v Speaker 1>a very new tool to a lot of people who

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<v Speaker 1>don't know how to use it.

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<v Speaker 2>And I think that a lot of the reason that

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<v Speaker 2>I find that poly relationships aren't working out is because

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<v Speaker 2>one there's a person in the relationship who is acquiescing.

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<v Speaker 2>They're coming into this poly relationship because they want to

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<v Speaker 2>keep someone or because they don't want to seem like

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<v Speaker 2>old fashioned and lo and behold, they're actually not Polly two.

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<v Speaker 2>I feel like people can be sometimes extremely entitled or

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<v Speaker 2>selfish about the number of partners they want to take on,

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<v Speaker 2>probably as a product of previous trauma or attachment styles

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<v Speaker 2>that led them to feel like they couldn't actually have

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<v Speaker 2>one person they could be alone with. And then I

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<v Speaker 2>also think that at the end of the day, we

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<v Speaker 2>just the people that are in poly structures are not

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<v Speaker 2>read up on how polyamory works. Yeah, and they should be.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I mean, I think it's very I think it's

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<v Speaker 1>very admirable that you want to sort of do your

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<v Speaker 1>research before you know, potentially entering any kind of polyamorous scenario. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, I don't think I'm gonna do that, but

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<v Speaker 2>I feel like I a lot of my friends are poly,

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<v Speaker 2>and I feel like I myself when I like when

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<v Speaker 2>I have a partner, I've never had an open relationship

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<v Speaker 2>before even so I want to learn how to do that,

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<v Speaker 2>and polyamory teaches you how to do that, how to

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<v Speaker 2>be happy for your partner, how to experience compersion, how

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<v Speaker 2>to mitigate and have a conversation with jealousy or ego.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, those are things that I want to learn,

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<v Speaker 2>even if I'm not Polly and so yeah, that's that's

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<v Speaker 2>what I'm learning.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't even know how to be in a monogamous relationship. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>so like that's, yeah, that's kind of where i'm at.

0:45:56.040 --> 0:46:00.480
<v Speaker 1>I'm not ready for the you know, the next I'm

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<v Speaker 1>not ready for the two o two class of relationships.

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<v Speaker 1>Kind to say, actually, I'm just gonna stay where i'm at.

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<v Speaker 1>Love