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Speaker 2: It is Thursday night, January twenty first to the Year

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Speaker 2: of Our Lord twenty twenty. Excellent execution from director Colin,

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Speaker 2: which I will detail momentarily. We are jam packed tonight,

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Speaker 2: as you would imagine we would be. Hey, it's been

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Speaker 2: a terrible week for Tennessee. But just in the last

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Speaker 2: few hours, as I look at the imaginary watch, Tennessee

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Speaker 2: has given us reason to actually change the thumbnail for

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Speaker 2: the show tonight.

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Speaker 1: It did say Vall's in trouble.

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Speaker 2: Now it's at Vall's big day without the possessive apostrophe

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Speaker 2: oversight there. So we're going to talk about that from

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Speaker 2: a lot of different angles. It's still been a bad

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Speaker 2: week for Tennessee, don't get me wrong. But could the

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Speaker 2: glass be just a hinge more full than maybe we

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Speaker 2: think it is. Larry Scott is going to be out

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Speaker 2: very very soon in the Pac twelve, and that's important

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Speaker 2: not just for our twelve viewers.

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Speaker 1: But for the entire nation.

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Speaker 2: I'll detail a couple of different reasons why I think

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Speaker 2: that and who I also think maybe a very radical

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Speaker 2: even a prerequisite for the person they hired to accept.

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Speaker 2: I'm thinking conference expansion along those lines. Also, we are

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Speaker 2: again dusting off the mood tracker. We continue to weave

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Speaker 2: our way through different programs, and I called for you

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Speaker 2: guys to give me a little call to action the

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Speaker 2: other night on which programs you want covered, because I

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Speaker 2: think Colin, I can't even remember who we've already done.

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Speaker 1: We've only done a few of them.

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Speaker 2: But the other night we did a couple I think

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Speaker 2: I've got a whole bunch of programs to do. We're

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Speaker 2: not gonna get them all tonight, but we're gonna do

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Speaker 2: a couple tonight. Oklahoma, We're gonna hit We're gonna get

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Speaker 2: Texas A and M. Feeling good about Texas A and

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Speaker 2: M for the record, feel good about Oklahoma too, and

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Speaker 2: feeling good about the show tonight.

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Speaker 1: We're jam packed.

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Speaker 2: If you haven't already subscribe to the twenty four to

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Speaker 2: seven Sports YouTube channel, I want to quickly tell you

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Speaker 2: it's gonna be a busy couple of weeks around here. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: we do Late Kick Live multiple times per week, but

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Speaker 2: this coming Wednesday, so a week from yesterday we got

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Speaker 2: be having a three hour wall to wall Steve Wilffong

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Speaker 2: So let's dive in and let's talk about it tonight.

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Speaker 2: We got a lot to get to. Tennessee's had a

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Speaker 2: I would be very surprised. It's a I have to

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Speaker 2: I mean, when we talk about the PAC twelve on

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Speaker 2: Late Kick, we openly wonder when we go back and

437
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Speaker 2: we look at the data and analytics and we look

438
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Speaker 2: at concurrent viewership, are we going to see a noticeable

439
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Speaker 2: dip when we talked about the PAC twelve or is

440
00:19:18,880 --> 00:19:22,479
Speaker 2: it going to maintain consistent concurrent viewership. Lately it's been

441
00:19:22,520 --> 00:19:25,040
Speaker 2: the former, not the latter. People tune out. There's just

442
00:19:25,080 --> 00:19:28,120
Speaker 2: not enough passion there. You're not going to hire a

443
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Speaker 2: conference commissioner who comes and injects adrenaline into your fan bases.

444
00:19:33,600 --> 00:19:36,360
Speaker 2: Only one thing can do that, and that is viable,

445
00:19:36,640 --> 00:19:39,919
Speaker 2: consistently winning football product. That's what you have to have.

446
00:19:40,280 --> 00:19:42,920
Speaker 2: So if you're out there and you're pulling for the

447
00:19:42,960 --> 00:19:45,639
Speaker 2: PAC twelve. You got an obvious rooting interest here. But

448
00:19:45,760 --> 00:19:48,320
Speaker 2: let's say you live in Kentucky. I mean, you're a

449
00:19:48,400 --> 00:19:51,280
Speaker 2: University of Kentucky fan, but really you're a college football fan,

450
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Speaker 2: and you're of the opinion that there's not enough parody

451
00:19:53,880 --> 00:19:56,000
Speaker 2: in the sport right now. Well, this is where your

452
00:19:56,080 --> 00:19:57,920
Speaker 2: rooting interest comes in. If you think the sports become

453
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Speaker 2: too regionalized, if you think only a if you are

454
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Speaker 2: benefiting at the expense of the very many, well this

455
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Speaker 2: is where the change could come.

456
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Speaker 1: One of them.

457
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Speaker 2: You've got to have a competent and consistent product on

458
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Speaker 2: the West coast because right now, whether you like the

459
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Speaker 2: perception or not, people look at Norman, Oklahoma, and outside

460
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Speaker 2: of maybe one or two stops past Norman, Oklahoma any

461
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Speaker 2: given year, people think that the sport is irrelevant past that,

462
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Speaker 2: and it shouldn't be that, hasn't always been that, it shouldn't.

463
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Speaker 1: Be that in the future.

464
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Speaker 2: So I view a lot of those programs out there

465
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Speaker 2: not as extinct. I view them as dormant. Hopefully a

466
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Speaker 2: kickstart is coming on multiple fronts for the PAC twelve.

467
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Speaker 2: Let's go mood Tracker, one of surprisingly I don't know

468
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Speaker 2: why I'm surprised, but this is an extremely popular segment

469
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Speaker 2: that we do. All it is is us taking a temperature.

470
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Speaker 2: It's open wide, lift your tongue. We don't do the

471
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Speaker 2: digital thermometer, and we insert the thermometer old school right

472
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Speaker 2: under the tongue. We just taken the temperature of the

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Speaker 2: fan bases. Oklahoma Football mood Tracker. Where are we at

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Speaker 2: right now?

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Speaker 1: Now?

476
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Speaker 2: There was a lot of debate before the show about

477
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Speaker 2: where we were going to ago and I told Director Colin,

478
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Speaker 2: We're gonna go with a broad term here. The current

479
00:21:03,960 --> 00:21:07,000
Speaker 2: mood for Oklahoma football and the fan base there is

480
00:21:07,080 --> 00:21:10,280
Speaker 2: that of being initiated. If you've ever been initiated into

481
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Speaker 2: anything a fraternity, a club, homeowners association, I don't know

482
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Speaker 2: what in the world you do in your personal life,

483
00:21:15,440 --> 00:21:17,480
Speaker 2: but if you've ever had to go through that process,

484
00:21:17,720 --> 00:21:20,600
Speaker 2: it's tough. It can be arduous, it's rewarding on the

485
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Speaker 2: other side. But I think Oklahoma football and a lot

486
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Speaker 2: of the fan base there they kind of feel like

487
00:21:27,200 --> 00:21:30,720
Speaker 2: they've been initiated now and they're at that table now.

488
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Speaker 2: They haven't won the national championship under Lincoln Riley, like

489
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Speaker 2: they are not universally compared yet to the likes of

490
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Speaker 2: Alabama annually, Clemson annually. But they're right there. They're at

491
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Speaker 2: that next tier, at the very top of the next year.

492
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Speaker 2: You could argue they've already been at the bottom of

493
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Speaker 2: Tier one. They've got the offense, but they've always had

494
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Speaker 2: the offense. They got the head coach, but they've always

495
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Speaker 2: had the head coach. They've always been pretty premier or

496
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Speaker 2: close to it any given year in those categories. Offense

497
00:21:56,920 --> 00:22:00,439
Speaker 2: never really been a problem for Oklahoma. Defensively, they've been

498
00:22:00,480 --> 00:22:05,120
Speaker 2: a pretender. They've been a total paper tiger. Everyone's known

499
00:22:05,160 --> 00:22:07,640
Speaker 2: it deep down, their fan base has known it. And

500
00:22:07,840 --> 00:22:11,840
Speaker 2: that has changed. And as that has changed, so too

501
00:22:11,920 --> 00:22:15,080
Speaker 2: has the feeling about what Oklahoma football is capable of.

502
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Speaker 2: Not in just the regular season, but if they get

503
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Speaker 2: into a playoff setting, you know, they're not going down.

504
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Speaker 1: Twenty eight zip with no chance of retaliation.

505
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Speaker 2: They're not having the walls painted with their blood like

506
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Speaker 2: they did against LSU and twenty nineteen. You can play defense,

507
00:22:28,440 --> 00:22:30,040
Speaker 2: and to be honest with you, if you can show

508
00:22:30,080 --> 00:22:32,000
Speaker 2: the SEC a thing or two about playing defense like

509
00:22:32,040 --> 00:22:34,040
Speaker 2: they were in the latter part of this year, well

510
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Speaker 2: then you're in that club.

511
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Speaker 1: No one takes you for granted.

512
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Speaker 2: No one looks at you as a little speed bump,

513
00:22:38,960 --> 00:22:41,520
Speaker 2: a nice cute story, but ultimately a speed bump. Once

514
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Speaker 2: you face them in the playoffs, no one looks at

515
00:22:43,280 --> 00:22:45,280
Speaker 2: you like that anymore. And I think that's how Oklahoma

516
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Speaker 2: fans feel, And if the rest of the country doesn't,

517
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Speaker 2: I think they may soon enough.

518
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Speaker 1: So let me give you two different takes here. At

519
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Speaker 1: number one, there was a lot.

520
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Speaker 2: Of talk about how they were the hottest team in

521
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Speaker 2: the country at the end of this past season, and

522
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Speaker 2: how there were even some fringe arguments that they should

523
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Speaker 2: be involved in the playoff discussion. I never bought into that.

524
00:23:02,680 --> 00:23:04,200
Speaker 2: I talked about it on the show at the time.

525
00:23:04,960 --> 00:23:06,280
Speaker 2: I loved what they were doing at the end of

526
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Speaker 2: the year. But losses matter, and you got two of them,

527
00:23:08,840 --> 00:23:11,520
Speaker 2: Kansas State, Iowa State. Like those matter, and I'm for

528
00:23:11,600 --> 00:23:14,280
Speaker 2: the whole regular season mattering. I'm not for the early

529
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Speaker 2: games being treated like preseason, and we value the latter

530
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Speaker 2: season games more. No, you lose like that, you got

531
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Speaker 2: to pay the price. So Oklahoma didn't belong in the

532
00:23:22,720 --> 00:23:24,960
Speaker 2: college football playoff this past year. Most people didn't believe

533
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Speaker 2: they did. But just as I say that, I am

534
00:23:28,119 --> 00:23:30,520
Speaker 2: totally buying them as being right there in that conversation.

535
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Speaker 2: This year, they think about where this was, think about

536
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Speaker 2: the turn that's happened. They had lost to, like I said,

537
00:23:37,480 --> 00:23:39,359
Speaker 2: Kansas State, they lost to Iowa State, and they were

538
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Speaker 2: going into that Texas game, and there were a lot

539
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Speaker 2: of folks just like gnashing their teeth over the idea

540
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Speaker 2: that we're right on the precipice of having lost three

541
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Speaker 2: straight games.

542
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Speaker 1: Have we lost it?

543
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Speaker 2: I mean, if we lose this game to Texas, what

544
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Speaker 2: are we saying about Lincoln Riley. Well, what you're saying

545
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Speaker 2: is he's a great coach who just lost three games

546
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Speaker 2: in a row. That was our answer on the show

547
00:24:00,240 --> 00:24:02,159
Speaker 2: that was taken. That was blown way out of proportion.

548
00:24:02,640 --> 00:24:05,920
Speaker 2: But be that as it may. When Oklahoma finally decided

549
00:24:05,960 --> 00:24:08,520
Speaker 2: it was time to press play on the twenty twenty season,

550
00:24:08,880 --> 00:24:10,760
Speaker 2: I look at it as the day they beat Texas,

551
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Speaker 2: they never lost again. So here's how I look at it,

552
00:24:14,119 --> 00:24:16,800
Speaker 2: because we're talking twenty twenty one. Now, where's the mood

553
00:24:16,920 --> 00:24:20,119
Speaker 2: right now? I viewed the twenty twenty one Oklahoma football

554
00:24:20,160 --> 00:24:23,200
Speaker 2: season as essentially having begun that day against Texas, cause

555
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Speaker 2: there was obviously a different product on the field from

556
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Speaker 2: that point moving forward than there was earlier in the year.

557
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Speaker 2: And that's just a byproduct of how uneven twenty twenty was.

558
00:24:31,880 --> 00:24:34,240
Speaker 2: You can talk about every team dealing with COVID all

559
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Speaker 2: you want to. Some teams dealt with a whole lot

560
00:24:36,440 --> 00:24:38,760
Speaker 2: more than other teams did. There was a lot of

561
00:24:38,840 --> 00:24:42,359
Speaker 2: variance programmed to program. Oklahoma finally got their act together

562
00:24:42,440 --> 00:24:44,040
Speaker 2: and they were a really good team. You could argue

563
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Speaker 2: maybe they were one of the four best teams in

564
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Speaker 2: the country at the end of the year. You could

565
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Speaker 2: argue that, But I will say this, we're looking forward.

566
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Speaker 2: Forget about what happened. We're looking forward. You've got Spencer

567
00:24:52,320 --> 00:24:54,120
Speaker 2: Rattler coming back. I think a lot of people will

568
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Speaker 2: talk about that.

569
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Speaker 1: As they should.

570
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Speaker 2: Really good depth and talented running back and wide receiver

571
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Speaker 2: coming back. Everyone should be talking about that, and they should.

572
00:25:01,560 --> 00:25:04,800
Speaker 2: But they've had those things before. Like I was talking about,

573
00:25:04,960 --> 00:25:07,880
Speaker 2: what has this added spark and what feels a lot

574
00:25:07,920 --> 00:25:10,000
Speaker 2: more oven than microwave? Now, if you will, for the

575
00:25:10,040 --> 00:25:13,080
Speaker 2: Oklahoma fan base, is you know that you've got a

576
00:25:13,200 --> 00:25:16,440
Speaker 2: championship caliber defense and it's not going anywhere We did

577
00:25:16,440 --> 00:25:19,639
Speaker 2: a segment about six months ago. It was before the

578
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Speaker 2: season started, and I did a segment where I just

579
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Speaker 2: flat out said, like, I feel like Lincoln Riley's gonna

580
00:25:24,200 --> 00:25:26,959
Speaker 2: win a national title at Oklahoma. It wasn't a prediction

581
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Speaker 2: for a given year, but we had been getting a

582
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Speaker 2: lot of feedback in our inbox from people who kept

583
00:25:32,040 --> 00:25:35,800
Speaker 2: saying Oklahoma can never win a national title called Oklahoma

584
00:25:35,840 --> 00:25:39,600
Speaker 2: can't play defense, and that wasn't true in my estimation.

585
00:25:39,720 --> 00:25:43,080
Speaker 2: What was true is Oklahoma hasn't won a national title

586
00:25:43,280 --> 00:25:47,720
Speaker 2: cause Oklahoma hasn't been able to play situational opportunistic defense.

587
00:25:47,760 --> 00:25:48,600
Speaker 1: They've just been run over.

588
00:25:48,640 --> 00:25:50,840
Speaker 2: I mean, there's been no shot in some of these

589
00:25:50,880 --> 00:25:54,159
Speaker 2: games they played against bigger competition. But just because it

590
00:25:54,200 --> 00:25:57,600
Speaker 2: had been doesn't mean and never did mean it always.

591
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Speaker 1: Was going to be.

592
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Speaker 2: I mean, there's no more innovation whatsoever for people to

593
00:26:02,240 --> 00:26:04,360
Speaker 2: keep doing the same thing when they're getting terrible results.

594
00:26:04,600 --> 00:26:07,879
Speaker 2: And so you're slowly but surely now seeing the whole

595
00:26:07,920 --> 00:26:11,760
Speaker 2: Alex Grinch effect take root. It wasn't going to happen overnight.

596
00:26:11,840 --> 00:26:13,639
Speaker 2: We talked about that in that segment. What's going to

597
00:26:13,680 --> 00:26:16,880
Speaker 2: happen overnight? So Grinch came in, they still kind of underperformed,

598
00:26:16,920 --> 00:26:20,000
Speaker 2: but you know everyone wanted to beat them with pillows

599
00:26:20,000 --> 00:26:23,000
Speaker 2: still and say, ah, you got the same higher or

600
00:26:23,080 --> 00:26:25,320
Speaker 2: new higher but same results. Well that wasn't the case.

601
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Speaker 2: Now you're starting to see it. So now like Oklahoma

602
00:26:28,200 --> 00:26:30,959
Speaker 2: fans already feel it. They already feel like everything they

603
00:26:30,960 --> 00:26:33,960
Speaker 2: saw to end this last year is validation as to

604
00:26:34,000 --> 00:26:36,879
Speaker 2: what they expect to be this year. I think that

605
00:26:36,920 --> 00:26:41,040
Speaker 2: there is a lot of this same energy around Oklahoma

606
00:26:41,320 --> 00:26:43,919
Speaker 2: as the kind of energy that exists nationally around Texas.

607
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Speaker 1: A and M.

608
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Speaker 2: A lot of people have to see it to believe it.

609
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Speaker 2: I'm about to talk about this in a second with

610
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Speaker 2: A and M. A lot of people have to see.

611
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Speaker 1: It to believe it.

612
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Speaker 2: So I think as the perception internally in the fan

613
00:26:52,280 --> 00:26:54,600
Speaker 2: base is already there, they feel like they're there. Now

614
00:26:54,600 --> 00:26:56,000
Speaker 2: we just got to go validate it and prove it

615
00:26:56,040 --> 00:26:57,879
Speaker 2: on the field. I think a lot of folks will

616
00:26:57,960 --> 00:27:01,440
Speaker 2: never believe that Oklahoma's thereto they prove it on the field.

617
00:27:01,560 --> 00:27:02,800
Speaker 1: But here's the good news.

618
00:27:03,200 --> 00:27:05,400
Speaker 2: They play these seasons and they do one of them

619
00:27:05,400 --> 00:27:08,159
Speaker 2: every single year. Twenty twenty one, I think is going

620
00:27:08,200 --> 00:27:10,880
Speaker 2: to be Lincoln Riley's best team top to bottom. It's

621
00:27:10,920 --> 00:27:13,399
Speaker 2: going to be right in line with being in the

622
00:27:13,440 --> 00:27:18,919
Speaker 2: most advantageous position quarterback in America next year outside of Norman.

623
00:27:18,960 --> 00:27:21,639
Speaker 1: Oklahoma kind of a crapshoot, you know.

624
00:27:21,840 --> 00:27:23,399
Speaker 2: For that matter, those of you who want all the

625
00:27:23,400 --> 00:27:26,120
Speaker 2: parody in college football, college football could be wide.

626
00:27:25,880 --> 00:27:27,760
Speaker 1: Open in twenty twenty one. It could very well be

627
00:27:27,800 --> 00:27:28,680
Speaker 1: Oklahoma's year.

628
00:27:28,960 --> 00:27:31,639
Speaker 2: It could be that a first year starter at Clemson

629
00:27:31,920 --> 00:27:34,640
Speaker 2: or Alabama ends up shining and the same old, same

630
00:27:34,640 --> 00:27:35,320
Speaker 2: old prevailed.

631
00:27:35,720 --> 00:27:36,080
Speaker 1: Could be.

632
00:27:36,280 --> 00:27:38,080
Speaker 2: But I'm just telling you there's a lot of reason

633
00:27:38,119 --> 00:27:40,560
Speaker 2: for optimism around Oklahoma, and there's a lot of reason

634
00:27:40,600 --> 00:27:42,439
Speaker 2: for those folks to feel very good about where that

635
00:27:42,480 --> 00:27:46,720
Speaker 2: program is now and moving forward. How about the Texas

636
00:27:46,760 --> 00:27:48,560
Speaker 2: A and M mood Tracker. This one's going to be fun.

637
00:27:48,600 --> 00:27:50,560
Speaker 2: This one we got asked for the most, I think

638
00:27:50,560 --> 00:27:53,360
Speaker 2: out of any program so far. Texas A and M

639
00:27:53,800 --> 00:27:56,199
Speaker 2: and the mood tracker there right now. What is the

640
00:27:56,200 --> 00:27:59,000
Speaker 2: temperature of the fan base? This is one that I

641
00:27:59,040 --> 00:28:01,639
Speaker 2: wanted to say for Techs A and M, the lying

642
00:28:01,720 --> 00:28:04,639
Speaker 2: in the weeds. It's a very popular metaphor, but I

643
00:28:04,640 --> 00:28:06,760
Speaker 2: don't think there's any program out there pound for pound

644
00:28:06,960 --> 00:28:09,560
Speaker 2: that this metaphor describes more than Texas A and M

645
00:28:09,560 --> 00:28:11,880
Speaker 2: football lying in the weeds. I want you to think

646
00:28:11,920 --> 00:28:14,480
Speaker 2: about your perception of this program if you're an Aggie

647
00:28:14,520 --> 00:28:18,040
Speaker 2: fan versus if you were just an outsider. This is

648
00:28:18,080 --> 00:28:21,640
Speaker 2: a full like national geographic special right now if you've

649
00:28:21,680 --> 00:28:23,720
Speaker 2: ever seen it. I mean, the imagery is there, the tiger,

650
00:28:23,920 --> 00:28:25,920
Speaker 2: you know, creeping up on the whole herd of gazelle.

651
00:28:26,040 --> 00:28:28,439
Speaker 2: Gazelle's gazelle. I don't know, a bunch of them, A

652
00:28:28,440 --> 00:28:31,280
Speaker 2: bunch of gazelle's. There's the plural and you've seen it

653
00:28:31,320 --> 00:28:35,200
Speaker 2: a million times before. It's that thing that it's that animal,

654
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Speaker 2: that predator that's able to arrive before you even knew

655
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Speaker 2: it was there. That's the best I could come up with.

656
00:28:41,040 --> 00:28:42,720
Speaker 2: I guess the tiger, but I mean it could be

657
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Speaker 2: any of a number of predators out in the wild.

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Speaker 2: That's kind of how Texas A and M fans feel like.

659
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Speaker 2: That's where they feel like their program is right now.

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Speaker 2: I wholeheartedly agree with them.

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Speaker 1: I'd buy a.

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Speaker 2: Ton of stock in Texas A and M right now.

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Speaker 2: I feel the same way about them as I do

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Speaker 2: about Oklahoma. It's very cheery into the show tonight as

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Speaker 2: a result. But the question, again, I was talking about

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Speaker 2: the podcast we recorded this morning.

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Speaker 1: I got a question on the podcast, and this question

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Speaker 1: was about Texas A and M.

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Speaker 2: It was kind of prophetic because the listener didn't know

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Speaker 2: we were talking about him tonight, but he asked, how

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Speaker 2: come people are so hesitant to buy into Texas A

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Speaker 2: and M. And this is an Aggie fan and he said, hey, man,

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Speaker 2: I think we got everything. I think we're ready to

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Speaker 2: compete now. I think the future is looking incredibly bright.

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Speaker 2: As Connor just said in the live chat there. You

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Speaker 2: think I don't read the live chat, but I do.

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Speaker 1: Well.

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Speaker 2: My answer to that was, again, the reason they're not

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Speaker 2: going to buy into you is cause your last national championship,

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Speaker 2: I mean coincided with like Sherman's March through the South,

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Speaker 2: and so it's been a long time. People really need

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Speaker 2: to see it before they'll buy in. That's the first answer,

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Speaker 2: and that's very simple. Here's the second answer, Alabama. That's

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Speaker 2: the answer the University of Alabama. Because here's the fact

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Speaker 2: of the matter, and I think most of us know

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Speaker 2: this to be true.

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Speaker 1: If I didn't change a thing about Texas A and M.

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Speaker 2: But all I did was I gave him notre name

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Speaker 2: schedule from this past year, or Clemson schedule or Ohio

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Speaker 2: State schedule, they're probably in the playoff. Playing any of

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Speaker 2: those schedules, they're probably in the playoff, or if not,

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Speaker 2: they are a strong contender for being in the playoff.

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Speaker 2: What stood between them and the playoff this year was

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Speaker 2: Alabama and the beating that Alabama put on him, which

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Speaker 2: was the exact equal score, by the way as Alabama

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Speaker 2: put on Ohio State in the National Championship Game. And

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Speaker 2: number two, you know, they got to play that team

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Speaker 2: every year, so you just assume they're not going to

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Speaker 2: get over Alabama. They're not going to beat them. And

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Speaker 2: if they're not going to beat them, by and large,

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Speaker 2: you believe they're not going to make the playoff.

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Speaker 1: And that's it.

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Speaker 2: It's not really about the quality of team. It's just

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Speaker 2: that you know who they got to play every year.

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Speaker 2: I think that's in the back of a lot of

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Speaker 2: people's minds.

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Speaker 1: I don't think you're.

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Speaker 2: Wrong, but I just think it's Jimbo knew what he

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Speaker 2: was getting when he signed up for this. It's not

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Speaker 2: like Alabama's a recent addition to the SEC West like,

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Speaker 2: this is why it is big boy football in the

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Speaker 2: SEC West. You got to play them every year. But

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Speaker 2: Jimbo Fisher, I think, is much closer to the Promised

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Speaker 2: Land than Kevin smlan ever had.

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Speaker 1: Texas A and M.

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Speaker 2: The College Football Daily with Trey Scott Tray Stanley Scott

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Speaker 2: was there were this morning talking about Texas A and

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Speaker 2: M with Brian Peroni from Gigging twenty four to seven,

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Speaker 2: and they were talking about the Sumblin years.

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Speaker 1: I thought it was kind of fascinating because I.

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Speaker 2: Think they're much closer right now than they were back then.

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Speaker 2: But see, I don't think that right now A and

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Speaker 2: M football has as much sizzle to it as they

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Speaker 2: did in their peak in the early years of Kevin

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Speaker 2: Sumlin because you had Johnny Manziel out there, you had

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Speaker 2: the answer at quarterback.

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Speaker 1: Now here's the irony.

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Speaker 2: I think Fisher's got every other part, every other appendage

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Speaker 2: of the football program. I think he's got it built

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Speaker 2: to a level that surpasses what someone ever had even

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Speaker 2: during his best years there.

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Speaker 1: The one place he hasn't had it is quarterback. The

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Speaker 1: only place.

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Speaker 2: That someone had it better at any point in his

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Speaker 2: tenure than Fisher has it now was quarterback. As a result,

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Speaker 2: I think that's why A and M is kind of

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Speaker 2: in the weeds over here, Pee, I don't think the

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Speaker 2: general college football fan has the slightest clue how set up,

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Speaker 2: how built for long term success Texas A and M

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Speaker 2: is right now, it's only going to take a quarterback.

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Speaker 2: They're not gonna have to build around the quarterback. It's

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Speaker 2: already built. Everything's already there. They've they've built internally. They've

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Speaker 2: really got good quality, elite SEC caliber depth along both

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Speaker 2: lines of scrimmage. They've built depth along both lines of scrimmage.

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Speaker 2: They are very physical running back. They have a wide

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Speaker 2: variety of talent both size and speed. In any given year,

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Speaker 2: they've also got it, and I think they are improving

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Speaker 2: rapidly at the perimeter on the skill positions. Offensively, defensively,

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Speaker 2: they have kind of taken the same trajectory climb as

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Speaker 2: Oklahoma and Alex Grinch has, so their quality there recruiting,

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Speaker 2: they're recruiting better than they ever have right now. They

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Speaker 2: are in the process of recruiting at the highest level

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Speaker 2: that you've seen that program recruit at The organizational structure

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Speaker 2: right now is night and day better than at any

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Speaker 2: point during Kevin Sumblin's tenure. The culture, I think is

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Speaker 2: night and day better than at any point during Kevin

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Speaker 2: Sumblin's tenure. They don't have a star quarterback. God bless

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Speaker 2: kelen Mond. Kellen Man was not a guy that was

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Speaker 2: going to compete with the best in the country. When

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Speaker 2: they get it, maybe they got them on campus, maybe

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Speaker 2: they go transfer portal. Maybe it's a home run they

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Speaker 2: end up hitting and recruiting when they get that box checked, Kevin,

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Speaker 2: someone is going to be a distant memory if he

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Speaker 2: isn't already at A and M Jimbo Fisher's there. They

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Speaker 2: are there. They're right there. They are knocking on the

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Speaker 2: door of Tier one right now, and you don't realize

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Speaker 2: it because you view them as inferior because they keep

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Speaker 2: getting run by Alabama. The reason they're getting run by

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Speaker 2: Alabama isn't because they have an inferior roster. It's because

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Speaker 2: they have been inferior at quarterback. If I just change

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Speaker 2: that sounds simple. It's a lot harder than that. I'll

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Speaker 2: grant you that. But the roster's not going anywhere. The

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Speaker 2: organizational structure, the culture's not going anywhere. They're in the

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Speaker 2: right place, already, right place, right time. People talk about

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Speaker 2: it all the time. They're in the right place right now.

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Speaker 2: The rest of the program's there, it's built, it's ready

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Speaker 2: to go. It is a high performance sports car. I

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Speaker 2: just need someone to drive it. I just need the quarterback.

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Speaker 2: If they get it, here they come. That's Texas A

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Speaker 2: and M's mood right now. That's the last piece of

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Speaker 2: paper I have. So apparently the show's done.

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Speaker 1: Listen.

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Speaker 2: I really appreciate a lot of you got You've given

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Speaker 2: us really good numbers over the last couple of weeks.

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Speaker 1: And I told you when we started to wrap up

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Speaker 1: the season.

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Speaker 2: We went into National Championship Week and I was in

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Speaker 2: the I was in the grips of COVID nineteen and

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Speaker 2: so you couldn't see my face.

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Speaker 1: I told you, don't tune out just cause the season

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Speaker 1: ends on the field.

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Speaker 2: This is a year unlike any other, and we kind

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Speaker 2: of had some guidance behind the scenes, but I think

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Speaker 2: it was pretty easy to see. It's not going to

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Speaker 2: slow down just cause the National Championship Games. Over coaching

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Speaker 2: search is going to extend well into January. We've got recruiting,

797
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Speaker 2: we got a five star show, coming up next week.

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Speaker 2: We got National Signing Day of the week after that,

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Speaker 2: and probably the most important new feature in this sport,

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00:34:40,960 --> 00:34:44,319
Speaker 2: the transfer portal, is going to end up being a

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00:34:44,360 --> 00:34:47,960
Speaker 2: bigger deal after the new year than National Signing Day

802
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Speaker 2: is This is a big talking point here, and this

803
00:34:50,719 --> 00:34:52,839
Speaker 2: is a big talking point in the coaching industry right now.

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00:34:53,520 --> 00:34:57,400
Speaker 2: The transfer portal is quickly becoming this monster that you

805
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Speaker 2: have to build new positions inside your college football organization

806
00:35:02,440 --> 00:35:05,880
Speaker 2: to early properly handle and harness We're talking about adding

807
00:35:05,920 --> 00:35:09,200
Speaker 2: positions in the media world to properly handle and harness it.

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Speaker 2: So it's just if you get tired of having dead

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00:35:13,360 --> 00:35:16,239
Speaker 2: periods in college football figuratively, I don't think you have

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00:35:16,280 --> 00:35:18,600
Speaker 2: to worry about that right now. And so like you

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Speaker 2: guys have been tuned in. I mean, we certainly haven't

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Speaker 2: been hurting for numbers around here. But if you haven't

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Speaker 2: already subscribed to the channel, as I said, we've got

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Speaker 2: a lot coming up.

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Speaker 1: Also follow me on Twitter.

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Speaker 2: At late Kick Josh got I think three sessions open

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Speaker 2: for the Zoom consultations had a lot of them this week.

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Speaker 2: I really enjoy talking to a lot of you guys.

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Speaker 2: If you're interested in sports media at all, starting a

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Speaker 2: YouTube channel, starting a podcast, whatever you want to do

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Speaker 2: doesn't even have to be sports media necessarily, and you're

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Speaker 2: interested in kind of a one on one consultation along

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Speaker 2: those lines, hit me up Joshpaiit seven zero six at

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Speaker 2: gmail dot com or on Twitter at Latekickjosh.

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Speaker 1: We are done for the evening. We'll be back here

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Speaker 1: Sunday night.

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Speaker 2: I think we're gonna can Sunday Night show, which means

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Speaker 2: pre record because we got French championship games in the

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Speaker 2: NFL Sunday night. We got Super Bowl in two weeks,

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Speaker 2: so we'll still have shows. They just may look a

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Speaker 2: little bit different.

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Speaker 1: But don't worry, we are not going to change our schedule.

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Speaker 1: It's called the NFL. So for director Colin, for producer Jordan.

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Speaker 1: On the podcast side of things, I'm Josh Bate.

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Speaker 2: Have a great rest of your evening, and God bless