1 00:00:03,480 --> 00:00:06,880 Speaker 1: About a week after Danielle Imbo and Richard Patrone vanished, 2 00:00:07,280 --> 00:00:10,639 Speaker 1: Danielle's mother was at home watching Danielle's infant Sonne. 3 00:00:14,280 --> 00:00:17,599 Speaker 2: It was a Sunday when I had little Joe here 4 00:00:18,200 --> 00:00:20,599 Speaker 2: and they had set that downce to yourself was like 5 00:00:20,640 --> 00:00:22,640 Speaker 2: a big giant playrun. 6 00:00:24,239 --> 00:00:27,040 Speaker 1: With toys scattered all over. Little Joe was playing with 7 00:00:27,040 --> 00:00:30,360 Speaker 1: his two cousins. It was all therapeutic for Felice, who 8 00:00:30,440 --> 00:00:33,320 Speaker 1: sat on a nearby couch desperately trying to keep her 9 00:00:33,360 --> 00:00:34,280 Speaker 1: mind occupied. 10 00:00:35,159 --> 00:00:37,479 Speaker 3: But then the voices of the children went silent. 11 00:00:38,120 --> 00:00:40,960 Speaker 1: That's when Felice looked over and noticed little Joe, and 12 00:00:41,000 --> 00:00:41,640 Speaker 1: he kind of. 13 00:00:41,560 --> 00:00:44,720 Speaker 2: Like stopped in the middle of them playing, And all 14 00:00:44,760 --> 00:00:52,320 Speaker 2: of a sudden, little Joe looked up and he whispered, mommy. 15 00:00:52,600 --> 00:00:55,880 Speaker 3: Felice believes little Joe saw his mother that day. 16 00:00:56,880 --> 00:01:04,399 Speaker 2: That was unreal. Just looked up and whispered, mommy. 17 00:01:07,080 --> 00:01:10,119 Speaker 1: I'm Andrea Gunning and this is Therein Gone South Street 18 00:01:11,480 --> 00:01:14,600 Speaker 1: Episode ten, Saint Anthony. 19 00:01:15,600 --> 00:01:23,440 Speaker 4: Holladay is I say you in that dream? Reached out 20 00:01:23,480 --> 00:01:29,400 Speaker 4: on the dog for you, f and last to me, 21 00:01:30,160 --> 00:01:32,200 Speaker 4: I'll never give up. 22 00:01:33,880 --> 00:01:44,720 Speaker 5: No matter how long I open my eyes. Define Gone. 23 00:01:47,560 --> 00:01:49,920 Speaker 1: Just to Note that the views and opinions expressed in 24 00:01:49,960 --> 00:01:53,600 Speaker 1: this podcast are solely those of the individuals participating. This 25 00:01:53,680 --> 00:01:57,160 Speaker 1: podcast also contains subject matter which may not be suitable 26 00:01:57,160 --> 00:02:11,120 Speaker 1: for everyone. Discretion is advised. I'm going to pull back 27 00:02:11,160 --> 00:02:14,240 Speaker 1: the curtain a little bit. When a colleague of mine 28 00:02:14,280 --> 00:02:18,320 Speaker 1: first pitched doing a podcast about Danielle and Richard's mysterious disappearance, 29 00:02:18,960 --> 00:02:19,600 Speaker 1: I knew. 30 00:02:19,360 --> 00:02:20,760 Speaker 3: It would be an uphill climb. 31 00:02:21,840 --> 00:02:25,360 Speaker 1: Number One, the case has gone unsolved for nearly twenty years. 32 00:02:25,840 --> 00:02:29,400 Speaker 1: With all due respect, what could two Philly podcasters possibly 33 00:02:29,480 --> 00:02:32,320 Speaker 1: do that the FBI and four other law enforcement agencies 34 00:02:32,320 --> 00:02:35,520 Speaker 1: couldn't At the very least. I'm proud to say that 35 00:02:35,560 --> 00:02:37,920 Speaker 1: we've put the story back out there and in the 36 00:02:37,960 --> 00:02:39,960 Speaker 1: process rattled a few cages. 37 00:02:40,760 --> 00:02:41,320 Speaker 3: Number Two. 38 00:02:41,560 --> 00:02:44,560 Speaker 1: People want to walk away satisfied, so a story without 39 00:02:44,600 --> 00:02:48,720 Speaker 1: an ending is usually a tough sell. Number Three, there 40 00:02:48,760 --> 00:02:50,400 Speaker 1: are a lot of things I wish I could have 41 00:02:50,400 --> 00:02:53,440 Speaker 1: reported on. There are also a lot of people I 42 00:02:53,480 --> 00:02:56,120 Speaker 1: wish you could have heard from. For legal reasons and 43 00:02:56,160 --> 00:02:58,920 Speaker 1: a host of other reasons, we couldn't share a lot 44 00:02:58,960 --> 00:03:02,560 Speaker 1: of stuff we uncovered. I'll explain more about that later 45 00:03:02,639 --> 00:03:04,720 Speaker 1: in this episode. 46 00:03:04,800 --> 00:03:07,040 Speaker 3: In episode nine, you heard from Jonathan Mark. 47 00:03:07,639 --> 00:03:10,280 Speaker 1: He's the medium who has helped on some high profile 48 00:03:10,360 --> 00:03:14,360 Speaker 1: cases with the NYPD and FBI. I will say that 49 00:03:14,400 --> 00:03:16,799 Speaker 1: my colleague Ben and I wrestled with how to use 50 00:03:16,840 --> 00:03:20,720 Speaker 1: the information Jonathan provided. We didn't know how Danielle and 51 00:03:20,760 --> 00:03:23,480 Speaker 1: Richard's families would feel about it, and we knew there 52 00:03:23,520 --> 00:03:25,560 Speaker 1: would be a lot of skeptical people who'd hear it 53 00:03:25,600 --> 00:03:28,080 Speaker 1: and call it bullshit, and I completely get it. 54 00:03:28,720 --> 00:03:31,080 Speaker 3: Thankfully, both families have kept an open mind. 55 00:03:32,040 --> 00:03:33,639 Speaker 1: As for the rest of you, I will say this, 56 00:03:34,160 --> 00:03:36,480 Speaker 1: but drove us to seek out Jonathan was similar to 57 00:03:36,520 --> 00:03:39,880 Speaker 1: something Danielle's brother John said earlier in this series. 58 00:03:40,640 --> 00:03:42,960 Speaker 6: It's like you're literally standing in the middle of a 59 00:03:43,000 --> 00:03:46,400 Speaker 6: snow covered field and there's not a footprint in any direction, 60 00:03:46,440 --> 00:03:47,800 Speaker 6: and you've got to figure out which way to go. 61 00:03:49,160 --> 00:03:52,480 Speaker 1: We needed direction, and even though Ben and I walked 62 00:03:52,480 --> 00:03:55,440 Speaker 1: into the session with a bit of skepticism, that all 63 00:03:55,440 --> 00:03:57,400 Speaker 1: evaporated once Jonathan started. 64 00:03:59,040 --> 00:04:00,960 Speaker 7: This case must be gone on for like twenty years 65 00:04:01,040 --> 00:04:05,520 Speaker 7: or something. It happened outside a bar. There's a car 66 00:04:05,760 --> 00:04:09,240 Speaker 7: that's like gone too, whether it's a car or a minivan, 67 00:04:09,400 --> 00:04:10,720 Speaker 7: or a truck or something. 68 00:04:11,640 --> 00:04:14,680 Speaker 1: Jonathan even nailed some key details about what was happening 69 00:04:14,720 --> 00:04:16,919 Speaker 1: in Danielle in Richard's lives at the time. 70 00:04:17,400 --> 00:04:20,640 Speaker 7: They both have two separate families, like kids and everything 71 00:04:20,680 --> 00:04:23,240 Speaker 7: with other partners. Danielle was cond alluding to like a 72 00:04:23,320 --> 00:04:25,680 Speaker 7: jealousy factor that revolves around her. 73 00:04:26,279 --> 00:04:29,160 Speaker 1: He even shared some phrases we've heard from our interviews 74 00:04:29,160 --> 00:04:29,920 Speaker 1: with the FBI. 75 00:04:30,560 --> 00:04:34,200 Speaker 7: It's like wrong place, wrong time type of thing. You 76 00:04:34,279 --> 00:04:36,760 Speaker 7: ever hear a hit man or someone that's like a 77 00:04:36,800 --> 00:04:37,680 Speaker 7: paid killer. 78 00:04:38,640 --> 00:04:41,719 Speaker 1: Then Jonathan said the one word we had never come 79 00:04:41,760 --> 00:04:43,960 Speaker 1: across in this investigation. 80 00:04:44,240 --> 00:04:48,120 Speaker 7: The corruption will lead to the answer to their passing. 81 00:04:49,560 --> 00:04:54,480 Speaker 1: Twenty one times during our session, Jonathan said the word corruption. 82 00:04:54,600 --> 00:04:57,479 Speaker 7: And like typically when they repeat something over and over 83 00:04:57,520 --> 00:05:00,479 Speaker 7: and over again, like that's where they want these people 84 00:05:00,520 --> 00:05:01,359 Speaker 7: to dive into. 85 00:05:01,400 --> 00:05:01,719 Speaker 8: First. 86 00:05:02,440 --> 00:05:05,000 Speaker 1: Hearing that from Jonathan gave me and Ben a new 87 00:05:05,080 --> 00:05:08,719 Speaker 1: and final direction to investigate, and that's a big reason 88 00:05:08,760 --> 00:05:13,880 Speaker 1: why we decided to share that audio with you. Corruption 89 00:05:14,240 --> 00:05:16,760 Speaker 1: can me and a lot of things. It was an 90 00:05:16,800 --> 00:05:20,280 Speaker 1: area Ben dug into and it started at the Junkyard. 91 00:05:21,560 --> 00:05:24,440 Speaker 1: We spent a lot of time talking about Gianna Salvage. 92 00:05:24,560 --> 00:05:26,840 Speaker 1: If you remember back in two thousand and five, Gianna's 93 00:05:26,960 --> 00:05:29,880 Speaker 1: was the only junkyard in Philly with an industrial crusher. 94 00:05:30,200 --> 00:05:32,520 Speaker 3: It's rumored to be where Richard's truck ended up. 95 00:05:33,000 --> 00:05:35,760 Speaker 1: Although gianna Is closed years ago, Ben spent a good 96 00:05:35,800 --> 00:05:38,440 Speaker 1: amount of time digging into its owner, Rob lafloor. 97 00:05:39,160 --> 00:05:41,880 Speaker 8: I came across this story trying to learn more about 98 00:05:42,160 --> 00:05:46,520 Speaker 8: Rob Lafleur. But what Vito shared when we interviewed him 99 00:05:46,920 --> 00:05:52,040 Speaker 8: was that Rob was dealing with two other issues around 100 00:05:52,080 --> 00:05:53,040 Speaker 8: the time of his death. 101 00:05:53,680 --> 00:05:57,440 Speaker 9: He was a criminal subject of a separate FBI investigation 102 00:05:58,279 --> 00:06:02,279 Speaker 9: that had to deal with his strip joint club Oasis. 103 00:06:02,880 --> 00:06:06,000 Speaker 1: The FBI investigated Rob as part of an alleged kickback 104 00:06:06,040 --> 00:06:09,360 Speaker 1: scheme that involved the Philadelphia Police Department and the Philadelphia 105 00:06:09,360 --> 00:06:12,680 Speaker 1: Department of Licenses and Inspections, or as we call. 106 00:06:12,600 --> 00:06:16,720 Speaker 3: It locally, L and I. There was also a separate investigation. 107 00:06:17,000 --> 00:06:20,440 Speaker 8: The other was a homicide that occurred outside of his bar. 108 00:06:21,040 --> 00:06:24,160 Speaker 1: That homicide happened in the parking lot of Rob Laflora's 109 00:06:24,160 --> 00:06:25,919 Speaker 1: strip club back in two thousand and nine. 110 00:06:26,520 --> 00:06:27,520 Speaker 3: Here's veto again. 111 00:06:28,320 --> 00:06:31,480 Speaker 10: There was a couple of irregulars that were showing up. 112 00:06:31,640 --> 00:06:33,600 Speaker 10: There was some dispute inside. 113 00:06:34,000 --> 00:06:37,080 Speaker 9: Security led the people out and it kind of escalated 114 00:06:37,120 --> 00:06:40,520 Speaker 9: from there. Outside of Club Oasis, one of the patrons 115 00:06:40,560 --> 00:06:45,200 Speaker 9: winds up getting struck by the security manager and falling 116 00:06:45,240 --> 00:06:47,200 Speaker 9: and hitting his head and ultimately dying. 117 00:06:47,960 --> 00:06:51,120 Speaker 1: The victim who died was Jimmy Coons. He had gone 118 00:06:51,160 --> 00:06:54,280 Speaker 1: to Oasis to watch a Phillies playoff game with his friend, 119 00:06:54,640 --> 00:06:56,840 Speaker 1: but was thrown out of the club and wound up 120 00:06:56,880 --> 00:06:59,280 Speaker 1: dead on the pavement of the Oasis parking lot. 121 00:07:00,120 --> 00:07:04,719 Speaker 9: Doing homicide investigation wound up charging Rob Laflor and a 122 00:07:04,720 --> 00:07:05,480 Speaker 9: couple of others. 123 00:07:06,000 --> 00:07:10,240 Speaker 3: Three people, including Rob Lafloor, were initially charged with third 124 00:07:10,280 --> 00:07:12,440 Speaker 3: degree murder of Jimmy Coons. 125 00:07:12,880 --> 00:07:17,120 Speaker 8: I spoke to the mother of Jimmy's children, I spoke 126 00:07:17,200 --> 00:07:20,880 Speaker 8: to his sister, and I spoke to the man that 127 00:07:21,280 --> 00:07:24,480 Speaker 8: was with Jimmy that night. His sister was the only 128 00:07:24,560 --> 00:07:28,200 Speaker 8: person willing to go on the record. She spoke at 129 00:07:28,280 --> 00:07:32,679 Speaker 8: length about that crime. And the one thing that stuck 130 00:07:32,720 --> 00:07:36,600 Speaker 8: with me around this whole topic is that the police 131 00:07:36,640 --> 00:07:41,120 Speaker 8: covered Jimmy's death up, or at least attempted to. I 132 00:07:41,160 --> 00:07:47,200 Speaker 8: think the implication was Oasis, Rob and his associates had 133 00:07:47,240 --> 00:07:50,280 Speaker 8: a number to call if they had a problem. 134 00:07:50,720 --> 00:07:52,920 Speaker 1: Listen to what's in the court transcripts of his case. 135 00:07:53,560 --> 00:07:56,720 Speaker 1: Following the incident in the parking lot, the Oasis bouncer 136 00:07:56,760 --> 00:08:00,000 Speaker 1: did not call nine to one one. Instead, he directly 137 00:08:00,120 --> 00:08:04,680 Speaker 1: called a philliped sergeant multiple times. That sergeant and his 138 00:08:04,720 --> 00:08:08,400 Speaker 1: partner later arrived on the scene. That sergeant also dispatched 139 00:08:08,400 --> 00:08:12,120 Speaker 1: two other officers, including an officer assigned to the canine unit. 140 00:08:12,840 --> 00:08:15,640 Speaker 1: Seems odd to send the canine unit to a case 141 00:08:15,680 --> 00:08:17,040 Speaker 1: like this, right. 142 00:08:17,400 --> 00:08:21,400 Speaker 8: Two different sets of police showed up that night. 143 00:08:21,840 --> 00:08:24,520 Speaker 3: The two guys who got kicked out of Oasis also 144 00:08:24,600 --> 00:08:27,559 Speaker 3: dialed nine one one, so another set of cops showed 145 00:08:27,600 --> 00:08:28,400 Speaker 3: up on the scene. 146 00:08:28,720 --> 00:08:33,000 Speaker 8: Initially, Jimmy and his friend were seen as the suspects, 147 00:08:33,040 --> 00:08:34,199 Speaker 8: not as the victims. 148 00:08:34,840 --> 00:08:36,559 Speaker 3: Here's what one of the cops testified. 149 00:08:37,240 --> 00:08:39,280 Speaker 1: He said, Rob laflor was at the gym when he 150 00:08:39,320 --> 00:08:42,280 Speaker 1: got a call from his employees alerting him that two 151 00:08:42,320 --> 00:08:46,720 Speaker 1: patrons at Oasis were causing a disturbance, so Laflora drove 152 00:08:46,800 --> 00:08:50,240 Speaker 1: to Oasis. Laflora told the cops that once he arrived, 153 00:08:50,320 --> 00:08:53,400 Speaker 1: the two patrons tried to steal his Rolex watch and 154 00:08:53,480 --> 00:08:55,960 Speaker 1: started fighting with him in the parking lot. When the 155 00:08:55,960 --> 00:08:59,119 Speaker 1: police questioned la floor. About the security cameras at Oasis, 156 00:08:59,360 --> 00:09:01,480 Speaker 1: Laflora said the cameras weren't working. 157 00:09:02,040 --> 00:09:04,600 Speaker 3: That was a lie. The police later. 158 00:09:04,480 --> 00:09:09,000 Speaker 1: Found out someone had simply disconnected the security system's computer monitor. 159 00:09:09,760 --> 00:09:12,440 Speaker 8: The victim's sister went on to explain that the only 160 00:09:12,520 --> 00:09:15,720 Speaker 8: way she got justice for her brother was because eventually 161 00:09:16,160 --> 00:09:21,400 Speaker 8: these tapes and hard drives and footage were recovered and 162 00:09:21,480 --> 00:09:26,520 Speaker 8: played in court. Where were they recovered Gianna's junkyard. 163 00:09:26,800 --> 00:09:29,680 Speaker 3: That's the same junk yard where Richard's truck was rumored 164 00:09:29,720 --> 00:09:32,000 Speaker 3: to have been crushed in two thousand and five. You 165 00:09:32,080 --> 00:09:33,160 Speaker 3: can't make this shit up. 166 00:09:34,240 --> 00:09:39,280 Speaker 8: So this is a Delco Times article from February twenty ten. 167 00:09:39,880 --> 00:09:43,760 Speaker 8: Club owner Robert Lafleur and bouncer John Pettif are facing 168 00:09:43,800 --> 00:09:47,040 Speaker 8: trial for the murder in the death of James Coons. 169 00:09:47,360 --> 00:09:50,480 Speaker 8: They were among six defendants who appeared in court. 170 00:09:51,240 --> 00:09:55,760 Speaker 1: The murder trial started October fifteenth, twenty twelve, three years 171 00:09:55,800 --> 00:09:59,160 Speaker 1: after the death of James Coons. Before he would ever 172 00:09:59,200 --> 00:10:02,040 Speaker 1: see his day in cour court, rob Laflora died January 173 00:10:02,080 --> 00:10:03,640 Speaker 1: twenty twelve of an overdose. 174 00:10:04,480 --> 00:10:10,960 Speaker 8: The cause of death, overdose by heroin, was unbelievable to 175 00:10:11,120 --> 00:10:15,319 Speaker 8: people close to Rob, he was not a heroin user. 176 00:10:16,040 --> 00:10:21,160 Speaker 1: However, a January twenty nineteen Philadelphia Inquire article stated acquaintances 177 00:10:21,200 --> 00:10:24,200 Speaker 1: said that Lafleur had struggled with substance abuse for years 178 00:10:24,600 --> 00:10:28,319 Speaker 1: and recently spent time in a drug rehab in Malibu, California. 179 00:10:28,760 --> 00:10:31,800 Speaker 8: The people I spoke with also spent a lot of 180 00:10:31,840 --> 00:10:35,400 Speaker 8: time asking why no one ever investigated Rob Laflor's death. 181 00:10:36,120 --> 00:10:40,199 Speaker 1: That left prosecutors with John aka Jack Pettitt, the bouncer 182 00:10:40,240 --> 00:10:42,959 Speaker 1: of Oasis, who was the other person charged with Jimmy 183 00:10:43,040 --> 00:10:46,920 Speaker 1: Coon's death. After a mistrial in years of delays, Pettit 184 00:10:47,000 --> 00:10:50,240 Speaker 1: ultimately was found guilty of third degree murder in twenty sixteen. 185 00:10:50,720 --> 00:10:53,400 Speaker 1: He got seven and a half to fifteen years, but 186 00:10:53,520 --> 00:10:56,360 Speaker 1: by April twenty twenty four, Pettit was released from prison. 187 00:10:57,160 --> 00:10:59,280 Speaker 1: My team was able to speak with him briefly, but 188 00:10:59,360 --> 00:11:03,160 Speaker 1: he declined to speak on the record. Here's where the 189 00:11:03,200 --> 00:11:06,920 Speaker 1: story gets even more bizarre. Another defendant from the Oasis 190 00:11:07,000 --> 00:11:11,560 Speaker 1: parking lot death was a woman named Stacy Schoenberger. She 191 00:11:11,720 --> 00:11:15,160 Speaker 1: was charged with conspiracy to hinder prosecution, but a judge 192 00:11:15,200 --> 00:11:19,800 Speaker 1: throughout those charges, citing a lack of evidence and that 193 00:11:19,920 --> 00:11:22,559 Speaker 1: wasn't the first time Ben and I heard the name 194 00:11:22,960 --> 00:11:26,320 Speaker 1: Stacy Schoenberger. Let's go back to two thousand and five, 195 00:11:26,760 --> 00:11:30,320 Speaker 1: right after Danielle and Richard disappeared. That's when both families 196 00:11:30,360 --> 00:11:34,200 Speaker 1: put up websites with news about the investigation. Richard's site 197 00:11:34,240 --> 00:11:37,680 Speaker 1: also had a message board. When we first started researching 198 00:11:37,720 --> 00:11:39,800 Speaker 1: this project, one of the things I had my team 199 00:11:39,880 --> 00:11:43,880 Speaker 1: do was log every post on Richard's message board. Having 200 00:11:43,920 --> 00:11:45,920 Speaker 1: the names and words of those who posted at the 201 00:11:45,960 --> 00:11:51,280 Speaker 1: time felt significant, and it was the reason Ben and 202 00:11:51,320 --> 00:11:55,640 Speaker 1: I heard the name Stacy Schoenberger was because Stacy's name 203 00:11:55,679 --> 00:11:58,640 Speaker 1: appears among the hundreds of posts on that website with 204 00:11:58,720 --> 00:12:02,800 Speaker 1: the exact spelling Stacy with an eye. The post was 205 00:12:02,800 --> 00:12:05,880 Speaker 1: published just over a month after Richard and Danielle disappeared. 206 00:12:06,440 --> 00:12:10,160 Speaker 1: It's still up on the website today. Here's what it said. 207 00:12:11,080 --> 00:12:14,480 Speaker 8: It's a post from March twenty second, two thousand and five. 208 00:12:15,200 --> 00:12:18,079 Speaker 8: I am so sorry to hear about this. I pray 209 00:12:18,160 --> 00:12:21,080 Speaker 8: for your families every night. I have sent this to 210 00:12:21,240 --> 00:12:24,560 Speaker 8: every contact in my address book. I think she meant 211 00:12:24,880 --> 00:12:29,520 Speaker 8: my address book. The post continues, keep up the faith. 212 00:12:30,200 --> 00:12:31,839 Speaker 8: My prayers are with you. 213 00:12:32,960 --> 00:12:35,360 Speaker 3: Did the patrons know who Stacy Schoenberger is. 214 00:12:36,200 --> 00:12:38,960 Speaker 8: I asked the patron family if that was a family 215 00:12:39,000 --> 00:12:44,080 Speaker 8: friend or anyone they were related to, and the answer 216 00:12:44,160 --> 00:12:44,439 Speaker 8: was no. 217 00:12:46,000 --> 00:12:47,480 Speaker 1: I mean, like a lot of people wrote on this 218 00:12:47,559 --> 00:12:50,600 Speaker 1: memorial page, but that feels like a really odd coincidence. 219 00:12:51,360 --> 00:12:57,040 Speaker 8: You want to hear a worse coincidence. Stacy's father worked 220 00:12:57,040 --> 00:13:05,839 Speaker 8: at Gianna's junkyard, James C. Schoenberger. His obituary says he 221 00:13:05,880 --> 00:13:08,559 Speaker 8: was a supervisor with the Gianna Salvage company. 222 00:13:09,480 --> 00:13:13,160 Speaker 1: James Schoenberger died in twenty thirteen. On his legacy dot 223 00:13:13,200 --> 00:13:16,640 Speaker 1: com obituary, He's even photographed wearing a jacket with the 224 00:13:16,679 --> 00:13:17,800 Speaker 1: Gianna's logo on it. 225 00:13:18,800 --> 00:13:20,360 Speaker 3: Ben contacted Stacy. 226 00:13:20,080 --> 00:13:23,680 Speaker 1: Schoenberger to verify that she posted on Richard's memorial page, 227 00:13:24,360 --> 00:13:26,960 Speaker 1: but Stacy did not want to go on the record 228 00:13:26,960 --> 00:13:45,880 Speaker 1: with us. Stacy Schoenberger refused to speak with us on 229 00:13:45,920 --> 00:13:48,680 Speaker 1: the record. But she is just one person I wish 230 00:13:48,679 --> 00:13:52,600 Speaker 1: you could have heard from, And of course Danielle's estranged husband, 231 00:13:52,679 --> 00:13:54,040 Speaker 1: Joe Imbo, is at the top. 232 00:13:55,679 --> 00:13:57,119 Speaker 3: Earlier in twenty twenty. 233 00:13:56,840 --> 00:13:59,600 Speaker 1: Four, Ben met up with Joe in person, but their 234 00:13:59,640 --> 00:14:02,720 Speaker 1: conversation was off the record, so we can't share what 235 00:14:02,760 --> 00:14:05,920 Speaker 1: he said in that meeting. But ten years earlier, Joe 236 00:14:05,920 --> 00:14:08,720 Speaker 1: had to sit down interview with journalist Steve Volk. 237 00:14:09,200 --> 00:14:11,640 Speaker 11: I remember I got a yes when I expected to 238 00:14:11,679 --> 00:14:13,080 Speaker 11: know to interview him. 239 00:14:13,640 --> 00:14:16,440 Speaker 1: Back in twenty fourteen, Steve was writing an article about 240 00:14:16,520 --> 00:14:19,720 Speaker 1: Danielle and Richard for Philadelphia Magazine. 241 00:14:19,840 --> 00:14:23,360 Speaker 11: I don't remember having to do any or much handholding 242 00:14:23,480 --> 00:14:27,480 Speaker 11: or talking before the fact. He pretty readily agreed. 243 00:14:28,400 --> 00:14:31,120 Speaker 1: The two met for breakfast at a cafe just outside 244 00:14:31,160 --> 00:14:31,800 Speaker 1: of Charleston. 245 00:14:33,400 --> 00:14:38,000 Speaker 11: I had come in, though, with my constitutionally protected First 246 00:14:38,000 --> 00:14:43,280 Speaker 11: Amendment opinion, thinking it likely that he knew something because 247 00:14:43,280 --> 00:14:46,440 Speaker 11: there was so much attention paid to him, in particular 248 00:14:46,800 --> 00:14:49,200 Speaker 11: from the patrons. 249 00:14:50,280 --> 00:14:53,880 Speaker 1: Steve had his suspicions, and Joe understood. He said he 250 00:14:53,960 --> 00:14:55,920 Speaker 1: was aware that people viewed him as a sort of 251 00:14:56,000 --> 00:15:02,000 Speaker 1: monster following Danielle and Richard's disappearance. Joe even shared with 252 00:15:02,080 --> 00:15:06,160 Speaker 1: Steve how FBI agent Fido Rosselli said as much. According 253 00:15:06,160 --> 00:15:09,200 Speaker 1: to Joe, Vito told him, I don't think you did this, 254 00:15:09,680 --> 00:15:14,160 Speaker 1: but I think you're involved in some way. But Joe 255 00:15:14,200 --> 00:15:16,960 Speaker 1: told Steve law enforcement was focused on the wrong person. 256 00:15:17,280 --> 00:15:20,160 Speaker 1: He said, quote, if you haven't ruled me out, then 257 00:15:20,160 --> 00:15:21,360 Speaker 1: you're not good at your job. 258 00:15:21,800 --> 00:15:26,720 Speaker 3: I'm not a mastermind. I have a conscience. They were powerful. 259 00:15:26,320 --> 00:15:29,120 Speaker 1: Words from a person. Steve said, you couldn't make heads 260 00:15:29,200 --> 00:15:29,920 Speaker 1: or tails out. 261 00:15:29,760 --> 00:15:32,400 Speaker 11: Of I just don't remember there being a lot of 262 00:15:32,400 --> 00:15:38,640 Speaker 11: gravitossed him. His affect was pretty flat. He wasn't necessarily 263 00:15:39,200 --> 00:15:42,440 Speaker 11: emotional at the times I expected him to be emotional. 264 00:15:43,000 --> 00:15:46,280 Speaker 1: There was one point when Joe did get emotional. It 265 00:15:46,400 --> 00:15:48,800 Speaker 1: happened when they talked about Joe's son. 266 00:15:49,200 --> 00:15:51,080 Speaker 11: There was something over a little Joe that he cried 267 00:15:51,120 --> 00:15:53,480 Speaker 11: about not having Danielle around. 268 00:15:54,120 --> 00:15:56,200 Speaker 1: Joe teared up and said his son has suffered the 269 00:15:56,200 --> 00:15:59,160 Speaker 1: most because he lost a wonderful person in his life. 270 00:16:00,120 --> 00:16:02,640 Speaker 1: He remembers how Joe grabbed a napkin to wipe away 271 00:16:02,640 --> 00:16:04,320 Speaker 1: a tear that ran down his cheek. 272 00:16:04,920 --> 00:16:08,280 Speaker 11: Did it seem sincere to me? I don't know. I 273 00:16:08,320 --> 00:16:11,840 Speaker 11: expected just more affect or emotion in general. Like there 274 00:16:11,880 --> 00:16:14,280 Speaker 11: was a certain numbness that I felt. 275 00:16:14,680 --> 00:16:17,560 Speaker 3: Steve said he asked Joe about Richard Patron. 276 00:16:17,960 --> 00:16:20,000 Speaker 11: I was like, you guys got in a heated conversation, 277 00:16:20,640 --> 00:16:23,400 Speaker 11: and he was like, we exchanged words. 278 00:16:23,760 --> 00:16:27,000 Speaker 3: We exchanged words. That was the extent of it. 279 00:16:28,480 --> 00:16:32,560 Speaker 11: I wanted something big and dramatic. Instead I got a 280 00:16:32,600 --> 00:16:35,680 Speaker 11: guy who struck me as a little milk toast. 281 00:16:36,760 --> 00:16:40,160 Speaker 1: Nevertheless, Steve moved on to the reason he flew all 282 00:16:40,200 --> 00:16:41,440 Speaker 1: the way to South Carolina. 283 00:16:41,640 --> 00:16:44,800 Speaker 11: I asked him the point plank question, did you have 284 00:16:44,840 --> 00:16:48,160 Speaker 11: any involvement in your wife's disappearance or what happened to 285 00:16:48,200 --> 00:16:51,840 Speaker 11: Danielle and Richard. There was a moment, an electric moment, 286 00:16:53,280 --> 00:16:57,080 Speaker 11: when he first looked away, when I thought, the fucker 287 00:16:57,240 --> 00:17:00,720 Speaker 11: is giving it up, and I remember this little kind 288 00:17:00,720 --> 00:17:03,200 Speaker 11: of like immedient headshake of no, and then meeting my 289 00:17:03,280 --> 00:17:04,560 Speaker 11: eyes and said no. 290 00:17:06,119 --> 00:17:09,439 Speaker 1: Steve recalled Joe, saying, there's only one person in the 291 00:17:09,480 --> 00:17:12,480 Speaker 1: world that knows I didn't do it, and it's me. 292 00:17:13,400 --> 00:17:18,760 Speaker 11: You know, as I remember it, I wasn't moved necessarily 293 00:17:18,800 --> 00:17:23,560 Speaker 11: one way or another like this guy definitely did it 294 00:17:23,680 --> 00:17:24,560 Speaker 11: or didn't. 295 00:17:24,880 --> 00:17:27,560 Speaker 1: A few minutes after they went their separate ways, Steve 296 00:17:27,640 --> 00:17:29,119 Speaker 1: said his phone started ringing. 297 00:17:29,480 --> 00:17:32,240 Speaker 3: It was Joe. He called Steve to thank him for 298 00:17:32,280 --> 00:17:35,520 Speaker 3: the opportunity to remember the good times he had with Danielle. 299 00:17:36,320 --> 00:17:40,119 Speaker 3: But Joe also shared regrets, like making Danielle quit singing 300 00:17:40,119 --> 00:17:43,200 Speaker 3: in the band. I hate to keep using this word, 301 00:17:43,280 --> 00:17:45,240 Speaker 3: but it was yet another mind fuck. 302 00:17:46,200 --> 00:17:46,600 Speaker 8: I don't know. 303 00:17:46,640 --> 00:17:48,680 Speaker 11: He wasn't the darkest guy in the world. He didn't 304 00:17:48,720 --> 00:17:52,240 Speaker 11: present as this glowering villain, but he also didn't present 305 00:17:52,480 --> 00:17:56,560 Speaker 11: as this, you know, super sympathetic character either. 306 00:17:58,119 --> 00:18:01,239 Speaker 1: It's interesting to hear Steve's description because it lines up 307 00:18:01,280 --> 00:18:03,760 Speaker 1: almost exactly with how Ben felt after his meeting with 308 00:18:03,880 --> 00:18:07,720 Speaker 1: Joe nearly ten years later. Even though Joe didn't want 309 00:18:07,760 --> 00:18:10,000 Speaker 1: to talk with us on the record, he hasn't completely 310 00:18:10,080 --> 00:18:10,960 Speaker 1: dropped off the grid. 311 00:18:12,040 --> 00:18:15,000 Speaker 6: Just recently, he's been calling my mother. 312 00:18:15,640 --> 00:18:17,320 Speaker 3: That's Danielle's brother John. 313 00:18:17,640 --> 00:18:19,840 Speaker 6: He said he was thinking to Danielle and he brought 314 00:18:19,920 --> 00:18:22,840 Speaker 6: up something and he was laughing, and I said, that 315 00:18:22,960 --> 00:18:26,320 Speaker 6: was nice. Just tell I'll never call me, you know, 316 00:18:26,520 --> 00:18:29,160 Speaker 6: like my mother knows. And I think he's pretty aware 317 00:18:29,200 --> 00:18:31,760 Speaker 6: of the fact that we're never going to speak again. 318 00:18:32,640 --> 00:18:35,679 Speaker 1: We asked John's mother, Felice, about those phone calls. 319 00:18:35,960 --> 00:18:39,000 Speaker 2: He had some health issues many years ago and. 320 00:18:38,880 --> 00:18:40,560 Speaker 12: He called to see how I was. 321 00:18:40,560 --> 00:18:43,359 Speaker 2: That He called quite a few times. It's not where 322 00:18:43,359 --> 00:18:45,399 Speaker 2: I talk to him every week, Hey, how are you 323 00:18:45,440 --> 00:18:46,159 Speaker 2: doing now? 324 00:18:46,400 --> 00:18:47,960 Speaker 6: We don't have that relationship. 325 00:18:48,359 --> 00:18:50,360 Speaker 2: We're very cordial to each other. 326 00:18:50,680 --> 00:18:53,960 Speaker 1: Fell said, Even though Danielle is gone, she continues to 327 00:18:54,000 --> 00:18:55,160 Speaker 1: respect Danielle's rules. 328 00:18:55,160 --> 00:18:56,360 Speaker 3: When it comes to Joe. 329 00:18:57,000 --> 00:19:00,399 Speaker 2: Danielle always always wanted to be respectful of him, no 330 00:19:00,440 --> 00:19:02,800 Speaker 2: matter how she felt about him. We were never a 331 00:19:02,880 --> 00:19:08,119 Speaker 2: layout to say anything derogatory about him or their situation. 332 00:19:09,280 --> 00:19:14,120 Speaker 2: She literally said, that's my son's father, and I don't 333 00:19:14,160 --> 00:19:16,600 Speaker 2: ever want him to hear anything, be it a ba 334 00:19:16,920 --> 00:19:18,520 Speaker 2: come out of anybody's mail. 335 00:19:19,440 --> 00:19:20,280 Speaker 6: So we never did. 336 00:19:20,920 --> 00:19:23,960 Speaker 1: As for John, he's had a tougher time biting his tongue. 337 00:19:24,119 --> 00:19:26,200 Speaker 1: He told us he hasn't spoken to Joe in years, 338 00:19:26,560 --> 00:19:27,679 Speaker 1: and he's not mad about it. 339 00:19:28,119 --> 00:19:31,080 Speaker 6: My nephew's an adult, so there's really no reason I 340 00:19:31,119 --> 00:19:32,720 Speaker 6: have any communication with him. 341 00:19:32,920 --> 00:19:35,000 Speaker 1: A couple times a year, Little Joe comes to visit 342 00:19:35,080 --> 00:19:38,639 Speaker 1: John and his family. Those meetings had been coordinated through 343 00:19:38,720 --> 00:19:43,520 Speaker 1: John's wife, Jody. And let's talk about little Joe. Little 344 00:19:43,600 --> 00:19:46,160 Speaker 1: Joe or Joe Inbo the third is now all grown 345 00:19:46,240 --> 00:19:48,520 Speaker 1: up and there's nothing little about him. 346 00:19:49,000 --> 00:19:51,360 Speaker 3: He's an adult in his twenties who stands over six 347 00:19:51,400 --> 00:19:51,920 Speaker 3: feet tall. 348 00:19:52,760 --> 00:19:57,000 Speaker 6: He reminds me so much of Danielle and his mannerisms 349 00:19:57,040 --> 00:20:00,879 Speaker 6: and his appearance. But then the time he reminds me 350 00:20:01,040 --> 00:20:05,800 Speaker 6: so much of his father, and I cried for him 351 00:20:05,840 --> 00:20:08,359 Speaker 6: because he never really knew what it was like to 352 00:20:08,400 --> 00:20:10,439 Speaker 6: grow up in a loving home with a mother and 353 00:20:10,480 --> 00:20:10,879 Speaker 6: a father. 354 00:20:15,040 --> 00:20:17,320 Speaker 1: I know if this was my mother, I would have 355 00:20:17,359 --> 00:20:20,280 Speaker 1: at least liked to be asked to participate, even if 356 00:20:20,280 --> 00:20:23,560 Speaker 1: the answer was ultimately no. So we made the decision 357 00:20:23,600 --> 00:20:26,359 Speaker 1: to reach out to Little Joe, and in April twenty 358 00:20:26,400 --> 00:20:29,320 Speaker 1: twenty four text message, Little Joe thanked us for giving 359 00:20:29,320 --> 00:20:32,640 Speaker 1: his mom's case exposure, but declined to speak with us 360 00:20:32,680 --> 00:20:37,040 Speaker 1: on the record. For Richard Patron's daughter, Angela, she was 361 00:20:37,160 --> 00:20:39,520 Speaker 1: just fourteen years old when she lost her dad. 362 00:20:40,080 --> 00:20:43,760 Speaker 13: When people disappear like that, it's difficult to get into 363 00:20:43,800 --> 00:20:47,679 Speaker 13: your finances too, because not dead, you know, if you 364 00:20:47,680 --> 00:20:48,600 Speaker 13: don't know if they're dead. 365 00:20:49,200 --> 00:20:51,120 Speaker 3: A lot of things we couldn't really get into. 366 00:20:51,760 --> 00:20:55,040 Speaker 1: Richard's Social Security benefits was something Marge tried to get 367 00:20:55,040 --> 00:20:58,520 Speaker 1: for her granddaughter Angela, but she hit a roadblock. 368 00:21:00,080 --> 00:21:00,639 Speaker 3: Certificate. 369 00:21:03,640 --> 00:21:05,879 Speaker 13: It's like, let's just add insult to injury. 370 00:21:06,920 --> 00:21:09,920 Speaker 1: These are the things and injustices you don't think about 371 00:21:09,960 --> 00:21:13,040 Speaker 1: when something like this happens. For Angela, she grew up 372 00:21:13,040 --> 00:21:16,359 Speaker 1: with TV reporters camped outside her house pointing cameras and 373 00:21:16,400 --> 00:21:19,639 Speaker 1: microphones in her face. Today, she's the mother of a 374 00:21:19,680 --> 00:21:22,800 Speaker 1: teenage boy who was around the age Angela was when 375 00:21:22,880 --> 00:21:26,000 Speaker 1: Richard went missing, and now she worries about her own 376 00:21:26,040 --> 00:21:29,520 Speaker 1: son since her father's story is posted all over the internet. 377 00:21:30,640 --> 00:21:32,840 Speaker 14: I never thought my dad would be on TikTok, but 378 00:21:33,400 --> 00:21:34,600 Speaker 14: there are stories of him. 379 00:21:35,200 --> 00:21:37,520 Speaker 11: Did you know that Danielle Imbo and Richard Patrol and 380 00:21:37,600 --> 00:21:40,760 Speaker 11: Junior disappeared after leaving a Philadelphia bar in two thousand 381 00:21:40,760 --> 00:21:41,120 Speaker 11: and five. 382 00:21:41,800 --> 00:21:44,600 Speaker 14: Like when I'm showing on TikToker YouTube, you see those videos, 383 00:21:44,640 --> 00:21:47,040 Speaker 14: but like when it's your life, it's just so surreal. 384 00:21:47,440 --> 00:21:50,000 Speaker 13: Richard was born in Philadelphia and had a daughter from 385 00:21:50,040 --> 00:21:54,000 Speaker 13: a previous relationship named Angela, with whom he was very close. 386 00:21:54,320 --> 00:21:56,399 Speaker 1: She knows it's not good for her own mental health, 387 00:21:56,520 --> 00:21:59,600 Speaker 1: but said she finds herself falling down the many rabbit holes. 388 00:22:00,200 --> 00:22:02,960 Speaker 14: Sometimes I can't help myself, and then I'm on YouTube 389 00:22:02,960 --> 00:22:06,159 Speaker 14: for four hours just watching videos on my dad, and 390 00:22:06,200 --> 00:22:08,560 Speaker 14: i just think, like I can't believe that's my dad, 391 00:22:09,400 --> 00:22:10,680 Speaker 14: Like that's my life. 392 00:22:10,920 --> 00:22:14,000 Speaker 9: Let's go back to the actual night of February fifteenth 393 00:22:14,080 --> 00:22:16,680 Speaker 9: of two thousand and five, when this all happened. 394 00:22:16,840 --> 00:22:19,639 Speaker 14: You listen to these stories and some of them have 395 00:22:19,800 --> 00:22:20,680 Speaker 14: false information. 396 00:22:20,920 --> 00:22:24,040 Speaker 8: Danielle was lasting in traveling with Richard Petroni and his vehicle. 397 00:22:24,280 --> 00:22:28,120 Speaker 14: Unfortunately, on YouTube, it's a lot of people making up videos. 398 00:22:29,119 --> 00:22:31,080 Speaker 14: I want to comment on everyone and be like that's 399 00:22:31,080 --> 00:22:33,200 Speaker 14: not right, Like that's not correct. 400 00:22:33,320 --> 00:22:34,119 Speaker 3: Factual or not. 401 00:22:34,440 --> 00:22:37,360 Speaker 1: She knows all of these videos exist and that one 402 00:22:37,400 --> 00:22:38,960 Speaker 1: day her son will find them. 403 00:22:39,400 --> 00:22:42,160 Speaker 14: Sometimes I just think about it. I'm just like, how 404 00:22:42,440 --> 00:22:45,080 Speaker 14: is this my fucking life? Like how did that happen? Like, 405 00:22:45,160 --> 00:22:48,919 Speaker 14: you know, it's just it's it's crazy that still to 406 00:22:49,000 --> 00:22:53,520 Speaker 14: this day there's just no answers. I honestly don't even 407 00:22:53,560 --> 00:22:57,600 Speaker 14: really want to know exactly what happened. I just want 408 00:22:57,640 --> 00:23:00,680 Speaker 14: someone to sit and jail and rot there the same 409 00:23:00,720 --> 00:23:03,359 Speaker 14: way that we have to sit here and rot and 410 00:23:03,440 --> 00:23:08,560 Speaker 14: not know what the hell happened. Just to know that 411 00:23:08,880 --> 00:23:13,520 Speaker 14: whoever organized this, whoever played a part in it, now 412 00:23:13,680 --> 00:23:17,119 Speaker 14: also loses their family, has to suffer, has to feel 413 00:23:17,119 --> 00:23:21,320 Speaker 14: the pain. That would be it for me. I don't 414 00:23:21,359 --> 00:23:23,719 Speaker 14: know if we're ever going to find the evidence that 415 00:23:23,760 --> 00:23:28,320 Speaker 14: we need. That's why we need the people that know 416 00:23:28,520 --> 00:23:30,480 Speaker 14: something to say something. 417 00:23:42,320 --> 00:23:45,119 Speaker 1: On the last day of February twenty twenty three, FBI 418 00:23:45,160 --> 00:23:48,680 Speaker 1: agent Vido Rosselli wrote up what's known as Form three 419 00:23:48,760 --> 00:23:49,160 Speaker 1: oh two. 420 00:23:49,600 --> 00:23:53,040 Speaker 9: That's our official and if you document that becomes part 421 00:23:53,040 --> 00:23:53,720 Speaker 9: of the case file. 422 00:23:54,400 --> 00:23:56,720 Speaker 1: That form was one of many he's filled out since 423 00:23:56,720 --> 00:23:58,520 Speaker 1: he took on the case in two thousand and five. 424 00:23:59,040 --> 00:24:01,639 Speaker 9: My office with ken because I had a whole half 425 00:24:01,680 --> 00:24:06,159 Speaker 9: of a storeroom with boxes of criminal records of the 426 00:24:06,200 --> 00:24:09,760 Speaker 9: individuals I was coming across, you know, background checks and 427 00:24:09,760 --> 00:24:10,640 Speaker 9: all of that stuff. 428 00:24:11,600 --> 00:24:14,120 Speaker 1: All of those boxes and binders make up the case 429 00:24:14,160 --> 00:24:17,639 Speaker 1: file about Danielle Mbo and Richard Patron Or if you 430 00:24:17,720 --> 00:24:18,720 Speaker 1: asked Veto. 431 00:24:19,080 --> 00:24:21,679 Speaker 10: I called it Operation Anthony, after Saint Anthony. 432 00:24:21,720 --> 00:24:24,840 Speaker 9: How's my mother's suggestion. I think he's the patron saint 433 00:24:24,840 --> 00:24:25,600 Speaker 9: of lost causes. 434 00:24:26,560 --> 00:24:29,920 Speaker 1: Anytime I lose something, I also call on Saint Anthony. 435 00:24:30,480 --> 00:24:34,320 Speaker 1: It's a simple prayer that goes, Saint Anthony, please come around. 436 00:24:34,760 --> 00:24:39,840 Speaker 1: Something is lost and must be found. Why Because Saint 437 00:24:39,880 --> 00:24:42,920 Speaker 1: Anthony is the patron saint of lost or stolen things. 438 00:24:43,480 --> 00:24:45,840 Speaker 1: And that day, after Vito finished writing his three to 439 00:24:45,880 --> 00:24:49,359 Speaker 1: zho two form, he placed it in the Operation Anthony file. 440 00:24:50,000 --> 00:24:53,159 Speaker 1: Then Vito gathered his belongings, left his office at the 441 00:24:53,200 --> 00:24:55,160 Speaker 1: FBI and never returned. 442 00:24:56,320 --> 00:24:57,680 Speaker 10: That was my last official act. 443 00:24:58,640 --> 00:25:02,680 Speaker 1: Vito didn't quit. He retired, the terms of which apply 444 00:25:03,160 --> 00:25:04,679 Speaker 1: to all FBI agents. 445 00:25:05,160 --> 00:25:08,480 Speaker 10: Fifty seven is the maximum age. Makes sense. You're carrying 446 00:25:08,480 --> 00:25:09,359 Speaker 10: a gun. You're supposed to. 447 00:25:09,359 --> 00:25:13,560 Speaker 9: Be able to make an arrest, to carry yourself, you know, 448 00:25:13,680 --> 00:25:14,880 Speaker 9: be able to handle yourself. 449 00:25:15,600 --> 00:25:17,919 Speaker 10: That's probably the reason behind it, and it is what 450 00:25:17,960 --> 00:25:19,240 Speaker 10: it is. It's always been that way. 451 00:25:19,800 --> 00:25:22,680 Speaker 1: Vito's birthday was circled on the calendar. There was no 452 00:25:22,880 --> 00:25:25,919 Speaker 1: escaping it. But before Vito called it a day and 453 00:25:26,000 --> 00:25:28,800 Speaker 1: a career at the FBI, he still had to make 454 00:25:28,840 --> 00:25:31,040 Speaker 1: a pair of uncomfortable phone calls. 455 00:25:31,520 --> 00:25:34,160 Speaker 6: You know, I'd be lying if I said, I'd most 456 00:25:34,240 --> 00:25:37,560 Speaker 6: doubt crying. I was so upset. 457 00:25:37,880 --> 00:25:40,760 Speaker 1: Danielle's brother, John knew the call from Vito was coming, 458 00:25:41,200 --> 00:25:42,720 Speaker 1: but it didn't lessen the sting. 459 00:25:43,680 --> 00:25:45,320 Speaker 6: He told me the reasons why, and I get it. 460 00:25:45,920 --> 00:25:47,479 Speaker 6: The only reason why I think this case has been 461 00:25:47,480 --> 00:25:49,440 Speaker 6: open as long as it has been is because of Vito. 462 00:25:50,160 --> 00:25:53,439 Speaker 1: The family spent the last two decades relying on one man. 463 00:25:53,920 --> 00:25:56,600 Speaker 1: But this wasn't the only case Vido worked on over 464 00:25:56,640 --> 00:25:57,919 Speaker 1: the last nineteen years. 465 00:25:59,200 --> 00:26:01,840 Speaker 10: You can't spend time on one case. It's just not 466 00:26:01,920 --> 00:26:05,159 Speaker 10: a luxury. We have this particular case. 467 00:26:05,680 --> 00:26:07,880 Speaker 9: They gave me a lot of free rein to put 468 00:26:07,920 --> 00:26:10,320 Speaker 9: my time in it. But not only my time, you 469 00:26:10,359 --> 00:26:12,400 Speaker 9: know all the other folks that I was pulling into 470 00:26:12,440 --> 00:26:17,199 Speaker 9: the investigation over the many years. They gave me a 471 00:26:17,200 --> 00:26:19,359 Speaker 9: lot of money, a lot of resources, allowed me to 472 00:26:19,400 --> 00:26:22,720 Speaker 9: do a lot of creative things with this particular case. 473 00:26:23,240 --> 00:26:25,240 Speaker 1: And then there was the phone called to Richard's family, 474 00:26:25,600 --> 00:26:28,720 Speaker 1: And for Marge it was doubly tough because she also 475 00:26:28,760 --> 00:26:31,400 Speaker 1: looked at Peto like he was part of her family. 476 00:26:31,760 --> 00:26:35,280 Speaker 13: He said, even though he retired, an agent has one 477 00:26:35,359 --> 00:26:39,720 Speaker 13: case that they can't let go of. I can't go 478 00:26:39,840 --> 00:26:42,440 Speaker 13: of this. I don't care where I go or if 479 00:26:42,480 --> 00:26:45,399 Speaker 13: I retire, this will always be my case. 480 00:26:47,960 --> 00:26:50,679 Speaker 1: The families not only had to deal with Vito's retirement, 481 00:26:51,080 --> 00:26:53,280 Speaker 1: but also some news about the case. 482 00:26:53,880 --> 00:26:59,800 Speaker 9: The case is in what we call pending inactive status, 483 00:27:00,320 --> 00:27:04,879 Speaker 9: which generally means we don't have a hot lead that 484 00:27:04,960 --> 00:27:08,600 Speaker 9: we're following up on, and that's why we need the 485 00:27:08,680 --> 00:27:12,680 Speaker 9: public to come in and hopefully generate that hot lead 486 00:27:12,840 --> 00:27:15,720 Speaker 9: for us. Our tip line is still open, and if 487 00:27:15,760 --> 00:27:19,399 Speaker 9: the office deems that it's a tip that's worthy of 488 00:27:19,560 --> 00:27:20,120 Speaker 9: follow up. 489 00:27:20,640 --> 00:27:21,800 Speaker 10: They'll follow it up. 490 00:27:22,240 --> 00:27:26,040 Speaker 3: From Marge, She's still waiting for answers to questions she's 491 00:27:26,080 --> 00:27:27,600 Speaker 3: had since two thousand and five. 492 00:27:29,720 --> 00:27:31,800 Speaker 13: I have to believe in God and heaven and use 493 00:27:31,800 --> 00:27:33,800 Speaker 13: it in the hands of God. But do I know 494 00:27:33,840 --> 00:27:34,680 Speaker 13: what happened to him? 495 00:27:34,720 --> 00:27:34,800 Speaker 9: No? 496 00:27:35,480 --> 00:27:37,400 Speaker 10: I don't I know where he is? 497 00:27:37,520 --> 00:27:44,359 Speaker 13: No? No, am I angry? Am I frustrated that after 498 00:27:44,440 --> 00:27:49,200 Speaker 13: all this time, I can't get justice? Yes I am. 499 00:27:51,160 --> 00:27:54,720 Speaker 13: I'm seventy five. I want to live to say it. So, 500 00:27:55,080 --> 00:27:58,440 Speaker 13: it's just agony for a parent. 501 00:28:01,240 --> 00:28:04,120 Speaker 3: For Veto, it's a different type of agony. 502 00:28:04,440 --> 00:28:06,120 Speaker 10: I'm the guy who couldn't bring them closure. 503 00:28:06,720 --> 00:28:08,720 Speaker 9: You think about it, I'm the guy who every time 504 00:28:08,760 --> 00:28:11,080 Speaker 9: I talk to him, I'm talking about a horrible thing. 505 00:28:11,640 --> 00:28:13,359 Speaker 9: And I'm the guy who has to tell him that, hey, 506 00:28:13,480 --> 00:28:16,360 Speaker 9: you know, there's no rest being made. And then when 507 00:28:16,359 --> 00:28:18,400 Speaker 9: it says, hey, not only may I by that guy, 508 00:28:18,840 --> 00:28:19,520 Speaker 9: I'm retiring? 509 00:28:19,560 --> 00:28:22,600 Speaker 10: Well, I can't really do anything about it, you know anyway? Yes, 510 00:28:22,680 --> 00:28:24,520 Speaker 10: that really sucked, and that was a tough call. 511 00:28:24,960 --> 00:28:27,960 Speaker 1: A new set of eyes took over Operation Anthony following 512 00:28:27,960 --> 00:28:29,000 Speaker 1: Beido's retirement. 513 00:28:29,520 --> 00:28:33,480 Speaker 9: In my mind, I've come to a reasonable inclusion on 514 00:28:34,160 --> 00:28:37,080 Speaker 9: what didn't happen, what you know potentially did happen. 515 00:28:37,960 --> 00:28:41,640 Speaker 13: Vito keeps telling me knowing it and improving it are two 516 00:28:41,640 --> 00:28:42,880 Speaker 13: different things. 517 00:28:43,400 --> 00:28:47,240 Speaker 9: But again, we have closed no doors. You know, everything 518 00:28:47,320 --> 00:28:51,120 Speaker 9: is open to review and investigation and continued to review 519 00:28:51,160 --> 00:28:52,880 Speaker 9: and continued investigation. 520 00:28:53,920 --> 00:28:54,160 Speaker 14: You know. 521 00:28:54,280 --> 00:28:57,280 Speaker 13: Hopefully they'll get that break that they need to prove it. 522 00:28:57,880 --> 00:29:02,080 Speaker 13: That's all I'm praying for. Just for just Richard deserved justice, 523 00:29:02,560 --> 00:29:07,600 Speaker 13: and so did Danielle. 524 00:29:08,240 --> 00:29:11,000 Speaker 1: In twenty eighteen, a separate set of doors slammed shut. 525 00:29:11,160 --> 00:29:15,080 Speaker 1: The Patrons closed their family business, Viking Pastries. It was 526 00:29:15,120 --> 00:29:17,440 Speaker 1: the end of the line for the neighborhood staple after 527 00:29:17,480 --> 00:29:21,760 Speaker 1: more than sixty years in medical Marijuana Dispensary now operates 528 00:29:21,800 --> 00:29:24,840 Speaker 1: out of that space. Today, Big rich continues to. 529 00:29:24,800 --> 00:29:27,920 Speaker 3: Battle a myriad of health issues which requires round the 530 00:29:27,920 --> 00:29:29,040 Speaker 3: clock medical attention. 531 00:29:29,760 --> 00:29:33,320 Speaker 1: He's now in an assisted living facility. That, along with 532 00:29:33,400 --> 00:29:37,320 Speaker 1: other reasons, forced another big change for the Patrons. In 533 00:29:37,360 --> 00:29:40,560 Speaker 1: the summer of twenty twenty four, Marge Patron moved out 534 00:29:40,560 --> 00:29:43,680 Speaker 1: of the house where she raised her family. That meant 535 00:29:43,720 --> 00:29:46,920 Speaker 1: she lost the closest thing she ever had to A 536 00:29:46,960 --> 00:29:48,320 Speaker 1: memorial for her son. 537 00:29:51,360 --> 00:29:54,920 Speaker 13: I've been with people who've lost their children, but it's 538 00:29:55,000 --> 00:29:59,280 Speaker 13: not the same. I'm not saying that I should breathe 539 00:29:59,280 --> 00:30:02,640 Speaker 13: more than any other mother, but it's not the same. 540 00:30:05,640 --> 00:30:08,480 Speaker 13: You've lost your child, but you knew what happened to them, 541 00:30:08,800 --> 00:30:12,000 Speaker 13: you were with them, you said goodbye, you buried that child. 542 00:30:12,680 --> 00:30:13,640 Speaker 10: I had none of that. 543 00:30:16,160 --> 00:30:19,120 Speaker 3: I don't have a place to go to see my son. 544 00:30:19,920 --> 00:30:24,880 Speaker 13: I don't know what happened to him. That's like nothing 545 00:30:25,160 --> 00:30:28,920 Speaker 13: you could ever imagine. And the only other person that 546 00:30:29,000 --> 00:30:31,520 Speaker 13: knows how I feel is her mother. 547 00:30:32,240 --> 00:30:36,920 Speaker 1: Her mother meeting Danielle's mother police, but the two haven't 548 00:30:36,960 --> 00:30:38,840 Speaker 1: spoken in nearly twenty years. 549 00:30:39,120 --> 00:30:41,880 Speaker 13: I said what I thought happened, and she was like, 550 00:30:42,320 --> 00:30:45,480 Speaker 13: absolutely not, and if you didn't agree with her, that 551 00:30:45,680 --> 00:30:45,960 Speaker 13: was it. 552 00:30:47,320 --> 00:30:50,200 Speaker 1: To this day, Marge continues to blame Joe for Danielle 553 00:30:50,200 --> 00:30:54,680 Speaker 1: and Richard's disappearance, even though the police have never charged Joe. 554 00:30:55,400 --> 00:30:56,640 Speaker 3: He still walk in the streets. 555 00:30:57,400 --> 00:31:01,000 Speaker 13: My son is not My son got the prive. My 556 00:31:01,160 --> 00:31:02,880 Speaker 13: granddaughter had to live without her father. 557 00:31:04,000 --> 00:31:06,640 Speaker 1: The bad blood between the families remains as thick as 558 00:31:06,680 --> 00:31:07,920 Speaker 1: it was in two thousand and five. 559 00:31:08,400 --> 00:31:10,480 Speaker 3: Here's Danielle's brother John. 560 00:31:10,920 --> 00:31:13,640 Speaker 6: A few months ago my friends took me out for drinks. 561 00:31:15,920 --> 00:31:18,400 Speaker 6: I walk in and lo and behold who's in the 562 00:31:18,400 --> 00:31:20,560 Speaker 6: booth next to me with her girlfriends. 563 00:31:21,720 --> 00:31:27,200 Speaker 1: Christine Christine as In Christine Patrone, Richard's sister, and Danielle's friend. 564 00:31:28,040 --> 00:31:32,920 Speaker 6: It was, without a doubt, the most uncomfortable situation. 565 00:31:33,800 --> 00:31:35,880 Speaker 3: That's when a thought ran through John's head. 566 00:31:36,040 --> 00:31:37,440 Speaker 6: I just wanted to go up to her and give 567 00:31:37,480 --> 00:31:39,200 Speaker 6: her the biggest hug and tell her I love her 568 00:31:39,200 --> 00:31:43,080 Speaker 6: and I'm sorry for everything, but or just so far 569 00:31:43,120 --> 00:31:46,280 Speaker 6: past that, And if I were her, I wouldn't even 570 00:31:46,360 --> 00:31:48,120 Speaker 6: want to consider an apology for me. 571 00:31:48,760 --> 00:31:51,960 Speaker 1: If I learned anything from talking to Danielle and Richard's families, 572 00:31:52,560 --> 00:31:56,600 Speaker 1: that bridge between both families is broken beyond repair. 573 00:31:57,480 --> 00:32:00,960 Speaker 6: I can't take back the things I've said, and I 574 00:32:01,000 --> 00:32:03,880 Speaker 6: won't because I believe them with all of my being. 575 00:32:04,800 --> 00:32:07,520 Speaker 6: I'm not going to blame anyone until the FBI tells 576 00:32:07,560 --> 00:32:08,160 Speaker 6: me who to blame. 577 00:32:09,560 --> 00:32:13,240 Speaker 1: There's still a fifteen thousand dollars reward for information leading 578 00:32:13,280 --> 00:32:17,280 Speaker 1: to an arrest and conviction in this case. Earlier, I 579 00:32:17,320 --> 00:32:19,040 Speaker 1: told you about a list of people I wish you 580 00:32:19,080 --> 00:32:21,360 Speaker 1: were able to hear from, and on that list were 581 00:32:21,400 --> 00:32:25,040 Speaker 1: friends and acquaintances of both victims, two of which spoke 582 00:32:25,080 --> 00:32:26,680 Speaker 1: to the media but didn't want to go on the 583 00:32:26,680 --> 00:32:29,920 Speaker 1: record with us. And then there's another person who really 584 00:32:29,920 --> 00:32:33,320 Speaker 1: disappointed me. She was with Danielle earlier in that night 585 00:32:33,400 --> 00:32:37,040 Speaker 1: before Danielle disappeared. This person said she had done several 586 00:32:37,080 --> 00:32:39,600 Speaker 1: interviews in the past and was upset that they never 587 00:32:39,640 --> 00:32:43,840 Speaker 1: included her recollection of specific details from that night, specifically 588 00:32:43,840 --> 00:32:47,880 Speaker 1: how Danielle had acted. In a lengthy conversation with this person, 589 00:32:48,480 --> 00:32:51,360 Speaker 1: she told Ben how Danielle's mood shifted from light and 590 00:32:51,440 --> 00:32:54,680 Speaker 1: easy to on edge. She claimed Danielle was looking over 591 00:32:54,720 --> 00:32:57,920 Speaker 1: her shoulder as though she was under threat. We offered 592 00:32:57,920 --> 00:33:00,920 Speaker 1: this I witnessed the opportunity to share all those details. 593 00:33:01,560 --> 00:33:04,880 Speaker 1: After months of exchanging messages, she agreed to an interview. 594 00:33:05,640 --> 00:33:07,800 Speaker 1: On the day of our interview, she told Ben she 595 00:33:07,960 --> 00:33:11,680 Speaker 1: was scared. There's a lot of fear that surrounds this case, 596 00:33:12,440 --> 00:33:17,280 Speaker 1: fear and loyalty. I think one of the biggest things 597 00:33:17,280 --> 00:33:20,000 Speaker 1: that I related to from the medium Jonathan Mark was 598 00:33:20,240 --> 00:33:22,200 Speaker 1: he goes, it's. 599 00:33:22,040 --> 00:33:24,920 Speaker 7: Like everyone's protecting their circle. 600 00:33:26,800 --> 00:33:30,400 Speaker 1: It's just very clear that there are networks of people 601 00:33:30,440 --> 00:33:31,960 Speaker 1: protecting their own. 602 00:33:32,720 --> 00:33:36,400 Speaker 8: Whether you want to be a skeptic or not. It 603 00:33:36,560 --> 00:33:40,200 Speaker 8: rings true to me that this is not just one 604 00:33:40,320 --> 00:33:45,360 Speaker 8: person pulling this off or one just group of criminals 605 00:33:45,360 --> 00:33:47,920 Speaker 8: that got lucky. Even when he uses the line the 606 00:33:47,960 --> 00:33:52,360 Speaker 8: stars aligned for them, not. This is a sophisticated network 607 00:33:53,080 --> 00:33:56,920 Speaker 8: to keep this case down and keep burying so that 608 00:33:57,040 --> 00:33:58,360 Speaker 8: it doesn't see the light of day. 609 00:33:59,440 --> 00:34:00,960 Speaker 3: That's what I imagine. 610 00:34:01,640 --> 00:34:05,560 Speaker 1: Vito is running into people that are protecting their own 611 00:34:06,800 --> 00:34:09,239 Speaker 1: even if their own is responsible for murdering to it 612 00:34:09,440 --> 00:34:15,440 Speaker 1: is in people. This extends past rebel floor. I mean, 613 00:34:15,560 --> 00:34:19,040 Speaker 1: let's talk about Robert Carey, the alleged hitman. I pounded 614 00:34:19,040 --> 00:34:23,040 Speaker 1: the pavement in Fishtown. I've talked to people who feel 615 00:34:23,120 --> 00:34:26,000 Speaker 1: certain that he was involved. Like Steve Volk. 616 00:34:25,880 --> 00:34:30,080 Speaker 3: Said, in Fishtown, this case is closed, like this. 617 00:34:30,160 --> 00:34:35,440 Speaker 1: Is barroom conversation. Who talks about a murder so openly 618 00:34:35,600 --> 00:34:38,480 Speaker 1: like that? But this neighborhood does. But no one except 619 00:34:38,520 --> 00:34:40,640 Speaker 1: for one person, was willing to go on the record. 620 00:34:41,560 --> 00:34:45,160 Speaker 1: And it wasn't necessarily because they were in fear for 621 00:34:45,280 --> 00:34:50,120 Speaker 1: their life. It was they respected Robert Carey's family and 622 00:34:50,400 --> 00:34:52,799 Speaker 1: they felt if they went on the record, they would 623 00:34:52,800 --> 00:34:53,640 Speaker 1: be identifiable. 624 00:34:54,000 --> 00:34:57,480 Speaker 3: Someone would know me by context. Clues. That's how tight 625 00:34:57,640 --> 00:35:00,400 Speaker 3: these neighborhoods are, you know. 626 00:35:00,560 --> 00:35:02,600 Speaker 1: One of my sources said about Robert Carey, it was 627 00:35:02,680 --> 00:35:07,200 Speaker 1: like a well known fact that he made known. If 628 00:35:07,280 --> 00:35:10,759 Speaker 1: I get arrested, I'm calling it. It was kind of 629 00:35:10,800 --> 00:35:13,360 Speaker 1: like this Laura in the neighborhood. I'm never going to 630 00:35:13,440 --> 00:35:17,600 Speaker 1: do a day in jail. And he didn't do time. 631 00:35:18,200 --> 00:35:20,880 Speaker 1: The same day he was arrested for his prescription scheme, 632 00:35:21,440 --> 00:35:25,040 Speaker 1: he did call it. As you may remember, Robert Carrey 633 00:35:25,120 --> 00:35:26,800 Speaker 1: was found on the floor of his jail cell in 634 00:35:26,880 --> 00:35:31,440 Speaker 1: twenty ten with a shoelace around his neck. We learned 635 00:35:31,480 --> 00:35:34,399 Speaker 1: that for several years, Carrie had a defense lawyer named 636 00:35:34,400 --> 00:35:37,880 Speaker 1: Scott to Claudio. In twenty fifteen, despite receiving a not 637 00:35:38,040 --> 00:35:41,840 Speaker 1: recommended rating from the Bar Association, Scott to Claudio was 638 00:35:41,880 --> 00:35:45,000 Speaker 1: elected to the bench. Today, he continues to be a 639 00:35:45,040 --> 00:35:48,799 Speaker 1: sitting judge in Philadelphia. Vido once told me that when 640 00:35:48,880 --> 00:35:52,840 Speaker 1: investigating a crime, he never believed in coincidences. That was 641 00:35:52,960 --> 00:35:55,600 Speaker 1: until he started working on this case. And I got 642 00:35:55,719 --> 00:35:58,399 Speaker 1: to tell you, there are a lot of coincidences when 643 00:35:58,440 --> 00:36:03,920 Speaker 1: looking into the details. One we recently came across earlier 644 00:36:04,000 --> 00:36:06,120 Speaker 1: in this episode, I shared with you that Rob Lafloor 645 00:36:06,480 --> 00:36:09,399 Speaker 1: and strip club bouncer John Pettitt were charged with third 646 00:36:09,440 --> 00:36:13,720 Speaker 1: degree murder of Jimmy coons Well. The strange circumstances around 647 00:36:13,760 --> 00:36:17,680 Speaker 1: John Pettitt's case is that since twenty nineteen, John Pettitt 648 00:36:17,719 --> 00:36:21,320 Speaker 1: has been petitioning the court for post conviction relief, essentially 649 00:36:21,400 --> 00:36:23,880 Speaker 1: to get his conviction thrown out. This has been in 650 00:36:23,920 --> 00:36:26,600 Speaker 1: the courtroom for over five years now, and when we 651 00:36:26,719 --> 00:36:29,520 Speaker 1: dug into those records, it got a bit more suspicious. 652 00:36:30,120 --> 00:36:33,000 Speaker 1: We learned that the judge presiding over John Pettitt's post 653 00:36:33,080 --> 00:36:37,280 Speaker 1: conviction relief proceedings was none other than Robert Carey's former 654 00:36:37,320 --> 00:36:39,680 Speaker 1: attorney Scott to Claudio. 655 00:36:40,000 --> 00:36:41,919 Speaker 10: There are a lot of coincidences in this case. 656 00:36:42,640 --> 00:36:43,360 Speaker 3: Where do all of. 657 00:36:43,360 --> 00:36:47,640 Speaker 1: These coincidences leave us? For me personally, it leaves me heartbroken. 658 00:36:47,719 --> 00:36:50,759 Speaker 1: For the families, I'm scared that my city can hold 659 00:36:50,920 --> 00:36:54,920 Speaker 1: such deep secrets, but hopeful that someone will be brave 660 00:36:55,120 --> 00:36:58,720 Speaker 1: enough to come forward and break their silence. In the meantime, 661 00:36:59,360 --> 00:37:00,960 Speaker 1: the families continue to wait. 662 00:37:01,760 --> 00:37:04,120 Speaker 12: One time, somebody is my son, what would you do 663 00:37:05,080 --> 00:37:09,640 Speaker 12: if your sister walked through that door? And I remember 664 00:37:09,760 --> 00:37:13,400 Speaker 12: he said I would hug her and never let her go. 665 00:37:16,400 --> 00:37:19,960 Speaker 12: You need to just pull one little thread and the 666 00:37:20,040 --> 00:37:21,640 Speaker 12: whole thing can unravel. 667 00:37:22,320 --> 00:37:23,440 Speaker 8: What you think is. 668 00:37:23,600 --> 00:37:28,800 Speaker 2: Unimportant, maybe the most important thing in your life. We 669 00:37:28,960 --> 00:37:32,120 Speaker 2: want to know the why and the who. 670 00:37:33,280 --> 00:37:37,080 Speaker 6: She has a son who deserves more than I deserve it. 671 00:37:37,840 --> 00:37:41,480 Speaker 12: She has a son who deserves to know what happened 672 00:37:41,480 --> 00:37:42,040 Speaker 12: to his mother. 673 00:37:43,320 --> 00:37:46,360 Speaker 1: John and JODI's son, Dominic, doesn't remember his aunt Danielle, 674 00:37:46,760 --> 00:37:49,280 Speaker 1: but he lives in the wake her loss left behind. 675 00:37:50,040 --> 00:37:53,279 Speaker 15: Growing up, Dad didn't get too emotional in front of us, 676 00:37:53,719 --> 00:37:57,200 Speaker 15: So to listen to a little bit of the podcast 677 00:37:57,239 --> 00:37:59,759 Speaker 15: and see him get emotional, it made me kind of 678 00:38:00,680 --> 00:38:04,360 Speaker 15: realized how much he's been just thrown under the carpet 679 00:38:04,400 --> 00:38:07,480 Speaker 15: for a while. And the house across the street was 680 00:38:08,480 --> 00:38:10,040 Speaker 15: for sale at the time when they were looking. 681 00:38:09,840 --> 00:38:14,319 Speaker 3: At that house, he means Danielle and Joe I, guys, remember. 682 00:38:14,239 --> 00:38:16,120 Speaker 15: My mom told me that, and me really thinking about 683 00:38:16,719 --> 00:38:18,520 Speaker 15: what life would be like if they lived right across 684 00:38:18,560 --> 00:38:22,720 Speaker 15: the street, how often they'd come over, and the difference 685 00:38:22,760 --> 00:38:24,280 Speaker 15: in the relationship I'd have with my cousin. 686 00:38:33,000 --> 00:38:35,719 Speaker 1: One night a few months back, I couldn't sleep. I 687 00:38:35,840 --> 00:38:39,960 Speaker 1: was thinking about Danielle and Richard. The patrons and the atobreys, 688 00:38:40,840 --> 00:38:42,640 Speaker 1: and I just couldn't shake this bigger. 689 00:38:42,520 --> 00:38:45,400 Speaker 3: Question, what is it to be alive? 690 00:38:47,120 --> 00:38:48,760 Speaker 1: I used to think it was in the big moments, 691 00:38:48,800 --> 00:38:52,200 Speaker 1: in milestones, but more and more it's in the small, 692 00:38:53,400 --> 00:38:56,000 Speaker 1: like the rubbing of your tired feet under warm blankets 693 00:38:56,000 --> 00:38:59,160 Speaker 1: after a long day, bathing your two year old baby, 694 00:39:00,000 --> 00:39:03,520 Speaker 1: trying to braid your daughter's pigtails, drinking a beer while 695 00:39:03,560 --> 00:39:07,440 Speaker 1: listening to Bruce Springsteen, Sweating into your microphone as you 696 00:39:07,520 --> 00:39:10,840 Speaker 1: sing alongside your band on a hot summer night, placing 697 00:39:10,880 --> 00:39:13,560 Speaker 1: your bets before the football game, calling your mom to 698 00:39:13,600 --> 00:39:16,920 Speaker 1: ask what time to be there for Sunday dinner, icing 699 00:39:17,000 --> 00:39:20,200 Speaker 1: a birthday cake, calling your brother on his way home 700 00:39:20,400 --> 00:39:20,879 Speaker 1: from work. 701 00:39:22,160 --> 00:39:25,080 Speaker 3: And then I thought, what is it to be missing? 702 00:39:26,239 --> 00:39:30,880 Speaker 1: Those simple moments become memories, a shadow forever, following the 703 00:39:31,040 --> 00:39:34,200 Speaker 1: people you touch, heavily casting down. 704 00:39:34,160 --> 00:39:37,200 Speaker 3: In the big moments. You become an open. 705 00:39:37,080 --> 00:39:40,480 Speaker 1: Chair at the Christmas table, a face and a frame 706 00:39:40,600 --> 00:39:44,400 Speaker 1: at the reception. Instead of walking your daughter down the aisle, 707 00:39:46,440 --> 00:39:50,640 Speaker 1: you become a milestone. Five years gone, ten years gone, 708 00:39:51,280 --> 00:39:56,840 Speaker 1: nineteen years gone, twenty you become a ghost, an empty 709 00:39:56,920 --> 00:39:58,880 Speaker 1: guest bedroom with a gift waiting. 710 00:39:58,680 --> 00:40:02,520 Speaker 3: For your return, you become a hollow ache. 711 00:40:04,520 --> 00:40:07,600 Speaker 1: I want nothing more than justice for Richard and Danielle 712 00:40:07,680 --> 00:40:11,720 Speaker 1: and their families, and I truly hope if someone listening 713 00:40:12,320 --> 00:40:15,319 Speaker 1: knows something, please reach out. 714 00:40:23,600 --> 00:40:31,359 Speaker 4: Hollo tennas, I say you in that dream, reached out 715 00:40:31,440 --> 00:40:32,360 Speaker 4: in the dog. 716 00:40:35,239 --> 00:40:39,799 Speaker 5: For you've been lost to me. I'll never give up 717 00:40:41,840 --> 00:40:43,280 Speaker 5: no matter Holla. 718 00:40:45,680 --> 00:40:46,719 Speaker 1: I open my. 719 00:40:50,200 --> 00:40:52,560 Speaker 4: Define god. 720 00:40:57,560 --> 00:40:58,320 Speaker 3: Itch corner. 721 00:41:01,880 --> 00:41:10,320 Speaker 5: Listen the bus o peace, I follow the clues, looking 722 00:41:10,560 --> 00:41:19,920 Speaker 5: fo the key hole. Give up no matter, Hana. I 723 00:41:20,160 --> 00:41:26,800 Speaker 5: ope my to find that your gone. 724 00:41:34,719 --> 00:41:37,600 Speaker 1: If you have any information about the disappearance of Danielle 725 00:41:37,640 --> 00:41:41,360 Speaker 1: Limbo and Richard Petrone, please call the Citizens Crime Commission 726 00:41:41,360 --> 00:41:44,439 Speaker 1: tip line at two one five five four six eight 727 00:41:44,560 --> 00:41:48,040 Speaker 1: four seven seven, or contact the Thereon Gone team at 728 00:41:48,120 --> 00:41:52,880 Speaker 1: therengnepod at gmail dot com. 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