1 00:00:00,080 --> 00:00:03,480 Speaker 1: Hello Texas, and welcome into NRG Stadium. Mark Vandomer with 2 00:00:03,560 --> 00:00:05,840 Speaker 1: you Thursday night. That means the General is with us. 3 00:00:05,880 --> 00:00:08,320 Speaker 1: He's back. We had last week off with John McClean 4 00:00:08,360 --> 00:00:10,480 Speaker 1: from the Houston Chronicle, but he's in the houses. We'll 5 00:00:10,520 --> 00:00:14,040 Speaker 1: talk OTAs and also the General since it's sort of 6 00:00:14,080 --> 00:00:16,960 Speaker 1: throwback Thursday. We'll reflect on bart Star a little bit later, 7 00:00:17,360 --> 00:00:20,360 Speaker 1: and I've got some quarterback questions for him and stuff 8 00:00:20,400 --> 00:00:24,000 Speaker 1: around the league, including eighteen game schedule popping up again 9 00:00:24,000 --> 00:00:26,239 Speaker 1: as a possibility. I don't know, but we'll discuss it. 10 00:00:26,560 --> 00:00:29,479 Speaker 1: All right, John, Let's go with OTAs this week. Week 11 00:00:29,560 --> 00:00:33,440 Speaker 1: two of these practice sessions. Your biggest takeaway from the 12 00:00:33,479 --> 00:00:37,800 Speaker 1: session you saw this week. I'm watching guys that they 13 00:00:38,080 --> 00:00:41,919 Speaker 1: need somebody to step up at their position, not just 14 00:00:41,960 --> 00:00:46,200 Speaker 1: the offensive tackles. Deonte for him, and I'm kind of 15 00:00:46,360 --> 00:00:49,360 Speaker 1: captivated by him because he's in shape for the first 16 00:00:49,400 --> 00:00:53,559 Speaker 1: time since since win. I didn't think he's in all 17 00:00:53,600 --> 00:00:55,639 Speaker 1: that great ship. He didn't look all that good when 18 00:00:55,640 --> 00:00:57,960 Speaker 1: he's last year Texas, even though he played great. He 19 00:00:58,040 --> 00:00:59,920 Speaker 1: says he feels better than when he was at Tech, 20 00:01:00,320 --> 00:01:03,040 Speaker 1: and he looks better and he's he made a commitment. 21 00:01:03,360 --> 00:01:06,000 Speaker 1: You know, Bill O'Brien had that exit interview with him, 22 00:01:06,000 --> 00:01:10,160 Speaker 1: and I bet that was a one sided conversation. And 23 00:01:10,200 --> 00:01:13,480 Speaker 1: he started working. People didn't believe it. And he posted 24 00:01:13,520 --> 00:01:18,080 Speaker 1: his workout videos on Instagram and people like, okay, things 25 00:01:18,160 --> 00:01:20,720 Speaker 1: must have been photos shop because he's looking real good. 26 00:01:20,800 --> 00:01:24,720 Speaker 1: And then when he showed up April fifteenth, obviously he 27 00:01:25,000 --> 00:01:27,959 Speaker 1: looked good enough and showed him enough, they didn't draft back. 28 00:01:28,520 --> 00:01:30,560 Speaker 1: I thought, sure the Texans were going to draft a 29 00:01:30,640 --> 00:01:35,000 Speaker 1: running back in the fifth, sixth, or seventh round, and 30 00:01:35,080 --> 00:01:37,959 Speaker 1: they didn't. And because they have confidence in for him, 31 00:01:38,000 --> 00:01:40,800 Speaker 1: I can't wait to see him get on the field 32 00:01:41,319 --> 00:01:46,959 Speaker 1: and the other receivers like Vincent Smith, Jester Wi, Johnny 33 00:01:47,040 --> 00:01:49,400 Speaker 1: Dixon who had been walked watching from the get go, 34 00:01:49,640 --> 00:01:54,080 Speaker 1: because they need another receiver. And I thought Vincent Smith 35 00:01:54,160 --> 00:01:57,800 Speaker 1: looked real good on the Wednesday Ota where we were 36 00:01:57,840 --> 00:02:03,520 Speaker 1: able to watch Kiki ut Qt's ability is not in question. 37 00:02:03,640 --> 00:02:06,280 Speaker 1: His is only can he stay healthy, and he's healthy 38 00:02:06,360 --> 00:02:09,320 Speaker 1: right now and he's real, really good. I remember this 39 00:02:09,360 --> 00:02:11,520 Speaker 1: time last year, Mark, they were telling me, boy, this 40 00:02:11,600 --> 00:02:14,880 Speaker 1: kid from Tech, he's gonna be special, and he would 41 00:02:14,880 --> 00:02:17,120 Speaker 1: have been except he got hurt with that ham string 42 00:02:17,160 --> 00:02:20,240 Speaker 1: off and on. So he looks real good. And I 43 00:02:20,280 --> 00:02:25,920 Speaker 1: wrote a columnist week about how great this offense could 44 00:02:25,919 --> 00:02:28,800 Speaker 1: be if the line is a little bit better, which 45 00:02:28,960 --> 00:02:32,360 Speaker 1: I know we believe it will be, if Miller and 46 00:02:32,520 --> 00:02:38,720 Speaker 1: Foreman stay relatively healthy, and the three receivers, that passing 47 00:02:38,760 --> 00:02:42,079 Speaker 1: game can be prolific. I think it could be one 48 00:02:42,080 --> 00:02:44,600 Speaker 1: of the three best in the league if those guys 49 00:02:44,639 --> 00:02:47,040 Speaker 1: stay healthy. That's a lot of ifs, but the fact 50 00:02:47,160 --> 00:02:50,720 Speaker 1: is they don't need anybody right now. They've got lineman, 51 00:02:50,760 --> 00:02:54,280 Speaker 1: they've got tackles, they've got the receivers. They've got at 52 00:02:54,360 --> 00:02:57,280 Speaker 1: least two running backs. Somewhere in there. There'll be a 53 00:02:57,320 --> 00:03:01,359 Speaker 1: third one. But this offense could be great. Do you agree? Well? 54 00:03:01,360 --> 00:03:03,919 Speaker 1: I agree it could be. And I think another big 55 00:03:03,960 --> 00:03:07,200 Speaker 1: aid is I've mentioned this before, Watson going from zero 56 00:03:07,440 --> 00:03:10,480 Speaker 1: reps with the first team in OTA's the last two 57 00:03:10,560 --> 00:03:13,080 Speaker 1: years to all of them as far as eleven on 58 00:03:13,120 --> 00:03:15,520 Speaker 1: eleven goes. I know that he was doing some seven 59 00:03:15,520 --> 00:03:17,960 Speaker 1: on seven last year, but to see him in eleven 60 00:03:18,040 --> 00:03:20,840 Speaker 1: on eleven work where they can do situational staff and 61 00:03:21,000 --> 00:03:24,120 Speaker 1: simulate blitzes against him and everything else for him to 62 00:03:24,120 --> 00:03:27,840 Speaker 1: get all these repetitions against those guys with the first team. 63 00:03:28,040 --> 00:03:30,960 Speaker 1: That is monumental for this team. I really think you 64 00:03:31,040 --> 00:03:33,520 Speaker 1: cannot overstate how good it's going to be for him 65 00:03:33,520 --> 00:03:36,240 Speaker 1: to have these four weeks of that kind of practice 66 00:03:36,520 --> 00:03:38,440 Speaker 1: before he gets to the desert and then training camp. 67 00:03:38,520 --> 00:03:42,640 Speaker 1: But see, I don't even pay attention to that stuff 68 00:03:42,640 --> 00:03:44,680 Speaker 1: because I know he's gonna be great and he's gonna 69 00:03:44,720 --> 00:03:47,080 Speaker 1: take the next step in his second full season as 70 00:03:47,120 --> 00:03:49,880 Speaker 1: a starter. The thing that stood out with me yesterday 71 00:03:50,040 --> 00:03:55,120 Speaker 1: Watson is accuracy throwing corner routes just inside the pieline. 72 00:03:55,720 --> 00:03:58,760 Speaker 1: Every one of them was perfect. Now he's in shorts 73 00:03:58,800 --> 00:04:04,360 Speaker 1: and course teach or in red shirt and nobody's after him. 74 00:04:04,400 --> 00:04:08,040 Speaker 1: But he just throws such a pretty ball. And I'm 75 00:04:08,080 --> 00:04:11,160 Speaker 1: talking about just yesterday, but I'm gonna throw this name 76 00:04:11,200 --> 00:04:15,120 Speaker 1: out there of somebody that the listeners will know. Watching 77 00:04:15,200 --> 00:04:17,720 Speaker 1: him throw the ball yesterday reminded me of Warren Moon 78 00:04:18,200 --> 00:04:22,120 Speaker 1: in his practices, because coaches used to say Moon throws 79 00:04:22,160 --> 00:04:25,800 Speaker 1: such a perfect pass. He's very accurate. And that's the 80 00:04:25,800 --> 00:04:28,640 Speaker 1: way Watson through yesterday, and it reminded me of Moon. 81 00:04:28,960 --> 00:04:31,919 Speaker 1: That's funny because John Harris brought up Warren Moon yesterday, 82 00:04:32,000 --> 00:04:34,039 Speaker 1: knowing that there are different types of quarterbacks and the 83 00:04:34,080 --> 00:04:37,320 Speaker 1: ball is different, but it's pretty. Both quarterbacks throw a 84 00:04:37,360 --> 00:04:40,279 Speaker 1: pretty ball, maybe in a different way. And I just 85 00:04:40,320 --> 00:04:43,000 Speaker 1: find it interesting that Harris twenty four hours ago brought 86 00:04:43,040 --> 00:04:46,000 Speaker 1: up the same name, and you guys haven't even talked. Well. 87 00:04:46,040 --> 00:04:49,039 Speaker 1: I used to watch Warren every day because back then 88 00:04:49,120 --> 00:04:52,520 Speaker 1: we watched all practices, every minute, all year around, and 89 00:04:53,279 --> 00:04:56,839 Speaker 1: because everybody talked about that ball being thrown so perfectly, 90 00:04:56,880 --> 00:04:59,000 Speaker 1: the spin, the way it came out of his hands 91 00:05:00,000 --> 00:05:02,520 Speaker 1: and where he placed it. They used to have drills 92 00:05:02,560 --> 00:05:05,760 Speaker 1: where they would put trash cans just inside the pylon 93 00:05:05,880 --> 00:05:08,640 Speaker 1: and put them at like the ten, fifteen, twenty five, 94 00:05:08,800 --> 00:05:12,680 Speaker 1: thirty may have competition, of course, not just the players, 95 00:05:12,680 --> 00:05:15,560 Speaker 1: but the coaches and Moon. There was nobody that could 96 00:05:15,560 --> 00:05:19,000 Speaker 1: come close to Moon that glued backup quarterbacks, and just 97 00:05:19,040 --> 00:05:22,520 Speaker 1: because he was so accurate and the ball was perfect. 98 00:05:22,520 --> 00:05:26,000 Speaker 1: One time I asked their general manager, Mike Holivack, I said, 99 00:05:27,320 --> 00:05:31,599 Speaker 1: why don't When Steve McNair was rookie ninety five, they 100 00:05:31,640 --> 00:05:35,200 Speaker 1: had Chris Chandler Christine and he didn't help McNair at 101 00:05:35,200 --> 00:05:39,039 Speaker 1: all as the starter. And then next year I think 102 00:05:39,200 --> 00:05:41,279 Speaker 1: that's when Warren retired. And I said, why don't you 103 00:05:41,279 --> 00:05:43,919 Speaker 1: get Moon to come in here at the end of 104 00:05:43,960 --> 00:05:47,000 Speaker 1: his career and to have him out there helping McNair 105 00:05:47,160 --> 00:05:51,400 Speaker 1: their buddies. He advises them. He said, because in practice 106 00:05:51,600 --> 00:05:56,080 Speaker 1: Warren would so throw such a pretty pass. Everybody wonder 107 00:05:56,160 --> 00:05:59,359 Speaker 1: why is he not playing? Because McNair that wasn't what 108 00:05:59,440 --> 00:06:02,880 Speaker 1: he wasn't special, he throwing a pretty ball. But h 109 00:06:02,960 --> 00:06:06,040 Speaker 1: and I thought at the time, Wow, I never thought 110 00:06:06,040 --> 00:06:08,360 Speaker 1: of something like that. Yeah, because he could still throw 111 00:06:08,400 --> 00:06:10,320 Speaker 1: a pretty ball in practice, but you wouldn't want to 112 00:06:10,320 --> 00:06:13,120 Speaker 1: see him in a game at that stage of his life. Right. Well, 113 00:06:13,520 --> 00:06:16,360 Speaker 1: that wasn't what he said. But and I didn't think 114 00:06:16,400 --> 00:06:18,320 Speaker 1: not to have him play, but come in here and 115 00:06:18,360 --> 00:06:22,120 Speaker 1: work with McNabb. But I thought that was a very 116 00:06:22,160 --> 00:06:26,880 Speaker 1: interesting reason not to pursue it. Interesting. So I've I 117 00:06:27,000 --> 00:06:29,200 Speaker 1: love having a j McCarron as a backup. I think 118 00:06:29,240 --> 00:06:32,240 Speaker 1: that's great. Joe Webb does everything. Boy, he never gets 119 00:06:32,240 --> 00:06:34,440 Speaker 1: a break in practice. He told us that in an 120 00:06:34,440 --> 00:06:36,840 Speaker 1: interview recently, and I saw it yesterday. I mean, he's 121 00:06:36,839 --> 00:06:39,440 Speaker 1: going from one station to the other. What a valuable 122 00:06:39,480 --> 00:06:42,160 Speaker 1: asset he is. But let me go here as far 123 00:06:42,200 --> 00:06:46,400 Speaker 1: as guys who catch passes and impossible not to notice 124 00:06:46,480 --> 00:06:49,039 Speaker 1: Jordan Thomas in year two and Aikin's as well. But 125 00:06:49,120 --> 00:06:51,520 Speaker 1: I really am intrigued by Thomas. We talked about him 126 00:06:51,520 --> 00:06:53,800 Speaker 1: a bit yesterday, but John, there was one play where 127 00:06:53,920 --> 00:06:57,279 Speaker 1: Gibson's all over him and if the balls plays perfectly 128 00:06:57,400 --> 00:06:59,800 Speaker 1: high and away, Thomas is gonna catch it, and it's 129 00:07:00,000 --> 00:07:02,120 Speaker 1: to be a very tough cover. I love seeing what 130 00:07:02,200 --> 00:07:04,560 Speaker 1: he can do going into the year two. Aikins as well. 131 00:07:04,960 --> 00:07:07,920 Speaker 1: I don't think that any of his four touchdowns was 132 00:07:08,000 --> 00:07:10,480 Speaker 1: not a real good catch. I don't think any of 133 00:07:10,480 --> 00:07:14,239 Speaker 1: them were perfect passes. I think he had to reach bend, 134 00:07:15,000 --> 00:07:18,160 Speaker 1: had people on him, and that's something that impressed me 135 00:07:18,280 --> 00:07:20,760 Speaker 1: last year for a rookie making that. And it looks 136 00:07:20,760 --> 00:07:26,000 Speaker 1: to me Mark looking at his body, it's it's been rearranged. 137 00:07:26,840 --> 00:07:30,680 Speaker 1: You can tell he's working hard. He doesn't you know 138 00:07:30,720 --> 00:07:32,320 Speaker 1: he's six to five and a half. He was two 139 00:07:32,440 --> 00:07:34,960 Speaker 1: seventy seven last year. I'd be interested to see what 140 00:07:35,080 --> 00:07:38,360 Speaker 1: he is now, but I need my body rearranged. Well, 141 00:07:38,640 --> 00:07:41,640 Speaker 1: you worked as hard as those guys do. Somebody paid 142 00:07:41,680 --> 00:07:44,080 Speaker 1: me that kind of money and wanted me to do it, 143 00:07:44,120 --> 00:07:47,680 Speaker 1: I'd say, rearrange me. But he just looks great. He 144 00:07:47,800 --> 00:07:51,000 Speaker 1: looks like a big time tight end. So does Kahali Wearing. 145 00:07:51,280 --> 00:07:55,120 Speaker 1: Wearing look looks like a big time tight end. Jordan 146 00:07:55,200 --> 00:07:58,240 Speaker 1: Nakins looks more like an h bag. But I think 147 00:07:58,280 --> 00:08:02,280 Speaker 1: tight end's going to be are really productive with those 148 00:08:02,320 --> 00:08:06,000 Speaker 1: two guys going in their second season, with Wearing stepping 149 00:08:06,040 --> 00:08:10,600 Speaker 1: in with all kinds of potential that that position over 150 00:08:10,640 --> 00:08:13,640 Speaker 1: the next two or three years is gonna be really good. 151 00:08:14,440 --> 00:08:16,840 Speaker 1: And if they kept can you imagine if they keep 152 00:08:16,880 --> 00:08:19,880 Speaker 1: Fuller and Qt healthy and these tight one of these 153 00:08:19,880 --> 00:08:23,679 Speaker 1: tight ends are both emerges that off That's another reason 154 00:08:23,720 --> 00:08:26,480 Speaker 1: I think this offense can be great. John, you and 155 00:08:26,560 --> 00:08:28,760 Speaker 1: I had the four tight ends debate a few weeks ago. 156 00:08:28,840 --> 00:08:30,360 Speaker 1: I still think there's a chance, and I know it's 157 00:08:30,360 --> 00:08:33,280 Speaker 1: way early, but I'll be monitoring that one. I think 158 00:08:33,320 --> 00:08:35,319 Speaker 1: there's a chance they keep four tight ends. I don't. 159 00:08:35,400 --> 00:08:37,520 Speaker 1: I think they'd have to cut back at another POSI 160 00:08:37,559 --> 00:08:40,000 Speaker 1: if you got three good ones, why I keep a 161 00:08:40,120 --> 00:08:42,840 Speaker 1: fourth one? Darren Fells will be the odd man out. 162 00:08:42,920 --> 00:08:45,079 Speaker 1: Or you're gonna cut back on an offensive lineman, you 163 00:08:45,160 --> 00:08:47,600 Speaker 1: can I can't cut back on a receiver with Fuller 164 00:08:48,120 --> 00:08:52,400 Speaker 1: his injury history and then q QT missing so many 165 00:08:52,400 --> 00:08:57,160 Speaker 1: games last year, and those running backs are like Buddy Howell. 166 00:08:57,160 --> 00:08:59,319 Speaker 1: He was on his team for one reason last year 167 00:08:59,360 --> 00:09:04,560 Speaker 1: because he's a really good special teams player. Now, what 168 00:09:04,640 --> 00:09:07,079 Speaker 1: if you took a guy. Okay, special teams are so 169 00:09:07,200 --> 00:09:09,319 Speaker 1: much better. They did a lot of things in the 170 00:09:09,360 --> 00:09:13,920 Speaker 1: offseason with Island special teams. Johnson Batimosi is a luxury. 171 00:09:14,320 --> 00:09:17,120 Speaker 1: He is a cornerback who doesn't play cornerback. He's there 172 00:09:17,160 --> 00:09:20,319 Speaker 1: because special teams. Do you cut back a guy like that, 173 00:09:20,360 --> 00:09:23,280 Speaker 1: except I think if they do, they're gonna they have 174 00:09:23,400 --> 00:09:25,480 Speaker 1: plenty of guys to take his place who can actually 175 00:09:25,559 --> 00:09:28,559 Speaker 1: get on the field. So if they play special teams 176 00:09:28,600 --> 00:09:30,559 Speaker 1: as well as he does, because those guys might not 177 00:09:30,679 --> 00:09:32,640 Speaker 1: make it onto the field, but they've got to play 178 00:09:32,640 --> 00:09:34,839 Speaker 1: special teams, so you better make sure you're upgrading there. 179 00:09:34,840 --> 00:09:36,600 Speaker 1: And I think it's gonna be tough because he's good. Well, 180 00:09:36,640 --> 00:09:38,720 Speaker 1: I don't think they'd have to upgrade, just got to 181 00:09:38,760 --> 00:09:41,560 Speaker 1: come close to him because with him, you don't have 182 00:09:41,600 --> 00:09:43,960 Speaker 1: a guy when they had injuries last year. My god, 183 00:09:44,000 --> 00:09:47,160 Speaker 1: they're playing Sharise Wright and the guy came from the 184 00:09:47,280 --> 00:09:49,520 Speaker 1: Rams got hurt every time he stepped on the field. 185 00:09:49,880 --> 00:09:55,080 Speaker 1: I can remember his name was Kenyon Webster and they 186 00:09:55,120 --> 00:09:58,160 Speaker 1: were desperate. That's why you gotta have dbs who can play. 187 00:09:58,960 --> 00:10:03,040 Speaker 1: But if you know it Fells plays show is great, 188 00:10:03,160 --> 00:10:06,040 Speaker 1: then they's gonna force his way on the team. You're 189 00:10:06,040 --> 00:10:07,559 Speaker 1: not gonna be able to trade him for anything, as 190 00:10:07,559 --> 00:10:11,440 Speaker 1: he's thirty two years old, but he looks He and 191 00:10:11,559 --> 00:10:15,880 Speaker 1: Jordan Thomas look alike. He's six seven and two seventy 192 00:10:15,960 --> 00:10:19,040 Speaker 1: and Thomas six to five and a half two seventy seven. 193 00:10:19,040 --> 00:10:21,160 Speaker 1: And I was watching him stand next to each other, 194 00:10:21,520 --> 00:10:23,760 Speaker 1: and if you didn't have numbers, it'd be difficult to 195 00:10:23,760 --> 00:10:27,600 Speaker 1: tell who was whom. How about Glaspia because he's a 196 00:10:27,640 --> 00:10:30,319 Speaker 1: seventh round draft choice. You know he's gonna play special teams. 197 00:10:30,640 --> 00:10:32,760 Speaker 1: Can you do some h back stuff for you? It 198 00:10:32,800 --> 00:10:35,760 Speaker 1: doesn't look like your prototypical blocking fullback. And they didn't 199 00:10:35,800 --> 00:10:37,840 Speaker 1: have one last year, and even when they did have 200 00:10:37,960 --> 00:10:40,920 Speaker 1: one the year before, years before with prosh it wasn't 201 00:10:40,960 --> 00:10:42,440 Speaker 1: like he was in there on every down. He was 202 00:10:42,440 --> 00:10:45,480 Speaker 1: in there for the minority of the downs. Really, I 203 00:10:45,600 --> 00:10:48,520 Speaker 1: noticed on the pronunciation guide that you're looking at there 204 00:10:48,600 --> 00:10:52,560 Speaker 1: that you got it's Gillespia, even though it's spelled Gillaspia. Well, 205 00:10:52,559 --> 00:10:55,280 Speaker 1: I haven't gotten there yet, just like querying, and you know, 206 00:10:55,440 --> 00:11:00,160 Speaker 1: makes no sense based on wearing, but it's wearing. And 207 00:11:00,160 --> 00:11:02,360 Speaker 1: and one thing I noticed down there too, I didn't 208 00:11:02,400 --> 00:11:07,040 Speaker 1: look at it closely. Last year, men call him Senio Kellamente. 209 00:11:07,200 --> 00:11:10,600 Speaker 1: It's not Senio, it's Snil. Yeah, I knew that, even 210 00:11:10,640 --> 00:11:12,560 Speaker 1: though it says he and I. I got that right 211 00:11:12,679 --> 00:11:15,400 Speaker 1: last year. And one of these years, the people around 212 00:11:15,400 --> 00:11:18,440 Speaker 1: here will pronounce Sean Treal right. They cut him a 213 00:11:18,440 --> 00:11:21,320 Speaker 1: lot of different things in Sean Treal And to me, 214 00:11:21,400 --> 00:11:23,680 Speaker 1: that's not real. Hard. Well, you can never listen to 215 00:11:23,720 --> 00:11:26,960 Speaker 1: a coach or a general manager. You're you're right, those 216 00:11:27,000 --> 00:11:30,040 Speaker 1: guys they just get attached to a pronunciation. I learned 217 00:11:30,040 --> 00:11:31,840 Speaker 1: that a long time ago in this business. You know, 218 00:11:31,960 --> 00:11:34,040 Speaker 1: you cannot trust a coach or a GM with a 219 00:11:34,040 --> 00:11:38,120 Speaker 1: player pronouncing Okay, it's not Kaimi Fairbaron. It's hard. But 220 00:11:39,480 --> 00:11:42,800 Speaker 1: but Wearing has so many names. Yeah, I know he 221 00:11:42,880 --> 00:11:45,679 Speaker 1: has um. He's got a long first name. And I'm 222 00:11:45,720 --> 00:11:49,800 Speaker 1: not gonna go there yet. Oh he does longer than No, No, 223 00:11:50,120 --> 00:11:56,719 Speaker 1: it's not Holly, that's not Kyimi, Yeah, like Fairbaron. Okay, 224 00:11:57,320 --> 00:11:59,520 Speaker 1: I actually left a few syllables out just for you know, 225 00:11:59,559 --> 00:12:03,840 Speaker 1: we only act if you pronounced he will, I bet 226 00:12:03,840 --> 00:12:06,480 Speaker 1: you fair Baron doesn't even know. No, he does. He 227 00:12:06,520 --> 00:12:08,480 Speaker 1: does well. Actually I've said it to him the same 228 00:12:08,559 --> 00:12:10,320 Speaker 1: way twice and one time he's like, that's dead odd. 229 00:12:10,320 --> 00:12:13,040 Speaker 1: Another time he's like, I don't know, that's close enough. Yeah. 230 00:12:13,160 --> 00:12:17,760 Speaker 1: One time there was an Oilers linebacker, a second round pick, 231 00:12:17,880 --> 00:12:20,520 Speaker 1: and we were interviewing him matter to the first day camp, 232 00:12:21,040 --> 00:12:23,559 Speaker 1: and somebody said you got kids. Yeah, I have a daughter. 233 00:12:24,080 --> 00:12:26,680 Speaker 1: He said no, what's her name? He said, Rosalind. How 234 00:12:26,720 --> 00:12:30,360 Speaker 1: do you spell it? He goes, oh boy, And one 235 00:12:30,400 --> 00:12:33,839 Speaker 1: of the writers goes rosy and he goes, yeah, that's 236 00:12:33,840 --> 00:12:37,160 Speaker 1: close enough. Oh geez, you gotta be careful here. That's 237 00:12:37,200 --> 00:12:40,320 Speaker 1: like the Cromartie How many kids do you have? And 238 00:12:40,400 --> 00:12:43,960 Speaker 1: he had about four three year olds within a month 239 00:12:43,960 --> 00:12:46,640 Speaker 1: of each other. There was something like that. In fact, 240 00:12:46,720 --> 00:12:49,200 Speaker 1: that's a related topic. Later on, we're gonna talk about 241 00:12:49,200 --> 00:12:53,160 Speaker 1: hard knocks. Think fair Baron can pronounce his first name. Yes, 242 00:12:53,200 --> 00:12:55,880 Speaker 1: he can, because he did it for me in a 243 00:12:55,920 --> 00:12:58,439 Speaker 1: recorder a few years So that's how you learn That's 244 00:12:58,480 --> 00:13:01,439 Speaker 1: how I learned it, and I latched onto it and 245 00:13:01,480 --> 00:13:05,880 Speaker 1: never let it go. Sokhlli is a longer V. Yeah, 246 00:13:05,880 --> 00:13:08,679 Speaker 1: it goes on with about five or six more syllables. 247 00:13:08,720 --> 00:13:10,960 Speaker 1: And then he's got about five or six more names. 248 00:13:11,200 --> 00:13:13,920 Speaker 1: Yes he does if they're easy to just like KAIMI 249 00:13:14,000 --> 00:13:16,960 Speaker 1: has John Christian in the middle too, But I'm not 250 00:13:16,960 --> 00:13:20,160 Speaker 1: gonna go there. I'm always fascinated, fascinated by that, and 251 00:13:20,160 --> 00:13:22,880 Speaker 1: I'm fascinated by wearing to see the guy on the field. 252 00:13:23,360 --> 00:13:26,440 Speaker 1: He was talking about all those sports he played and 253 00:13:26,480 --> 00:13:30,600 Speaker 1: how they made him better for football, and I asked 254 00:13:30,679 --> 00:13:33,920 Speaker 1: him about being a goalkeeper on water polo. He said 255 00:13:34,000 --> 00:13:38,400 Speaker 1: hand eye coordination, and he said basketball translates the best. 256 00:13:39,320 --> 00:13:43,439 Speaker 1: Jim Harball used to always want his quarterbacks to play basketball. 257 00:13:43,480 --> 00:13:46,120 Speaker 1: I don't know why. Oliver Luck told me that because 258 00:13:46,120 --> 00:13:49,440 Speaker 1: when Hardball had got in a commitment from Andrew Luck, 259 00:13:49,520 --> 00:13:52,240 Speaker 1: he came here to watch him play basketball. And I 260 00:13:52,280 --> 00:13:57,960 Speaker 1: guess its feet, hands, maybe playmate passing the ball, seeing it, 261 00:13:58,280 --> 00:14:02,200 Speaker 1: seeing the floor, and so I could see how, especially 262 00:14:02,200 --> 00:14:06,160 Speaker 1: if you're a receiver, playing basketball would help. DeAndre Hopkins 263 00:14:06,240 --> 00:14:08,440 Speaker 1: has talked a lot about the way when he and 264 00:14:08,480 --> 00:14:12,680 Speaker 1: he was a great basketball player. How much playing basketball 265 00:14:12,720 --> 00:14:15,400 Speaker 1: has helped him catch the ball? Yeah, I want to 266 00:14:15,400 --> 00:14:18,240 Speaker 1: see video of Darren Fells playing basketball, since he played 267 00:14:18,240 --> 00:14:21,120 Speaker 1: for several over guessing that he was probably a bat. 268 00:14:21,640 --> 00:14:25,000 Speaker 1: He wasn't too seventy. I'm guessing he's put on weight 269 00:14:25,120 --> 00:14:27,920 Speaker 1: for play tight end what he did moving him down 270 00:14:27,920 --> 00:14:29,800 Speaker 1: to court. He said, it was a nice life. You 271 00:14:29,880 --> 00:14:32,320 Speaker 1: make a few bucks, not NBA dollars, of course, but 272 00:14:32,360 --> 00:14:33,960 Speaker 1: it's a nice little living when you're a young man 273 00:14:34,040 --> 00:14:37,240 Speaker 1: playing professional basketball. The General stays with us, and let's 274 00:14:37,280 --> 00:14:40,200 Speaker 1: talk about bart Star and how it relates to today. 275 00:14:40,240 --> 00:14:42,000 Speaker 1: We mentioned this a little bit earlier in the week 276 00:14:42,040 --> 00:14:45,360 Speaker 1: about his passer rating for the postseason, the greatest number 277 00:14:45,360 --> 00:14:48,000 Speaker 1: of all time, but other aspects of that as it 278 00:14:48,040 --> 00:14:50,480 Speaker 1: relates to today's NFL. The General weighs in on that 279 00:14:50,560 --> 00:14:53,120 Speaker 1: and a whole lot more on Texans Radio Texans Radio 280 00:14:53,120 --> 00:14:56,640 Speaker 1: on the Hounday Texans Radio Studio, Mark Vandermer, John McClean 281 00:14:56,880 --> 00:14:59,520 Speaker 1: with you as we'll talk about hard knocks in the 282 00:14:59,520 --> 00:15:01,440 Speaker 1: next secon in a little bit. Maybe an eighteen game 283 00:15:01,560 --> 00:15:04,080 Speaker 1: schedule that's popped up on the radar again. I don't 284 00:15:04,080 --> 00:15:06,480 Speaker 1: know if that'll ever pass but let's do this. Bart 285 00:15:06,560 --> 00:15:09,520 Speaker 1: Star passed John over the weekend, and I know he's 286 00:15:09,520 --> 00:15:12,320 Speaker 1: a big hero of so many. John Harris told a 287 00:15:12,320 --> 00:15:14,600 Speaker 1: big bart Star story because he grew up in Wisconsin, 288 00:15:14,920 --> 00:15:16,920 Speaker 1: and I mentioned it earlier in the week The most 289 00:15:16,920 --> 00:15:18,880 Speaker 1: amazing thing to me was the fact that he still 290 00:15:18,920 --> 00:15:22,560 Speaker 1: holds the all time passer rating number for playoff games. 291 00:15:22,560 --> 00:15:25,880 Speaker 1: He was nine and one and that TD two interception 292 00:15:25,960 --> 00:15:29,320 Speaker 1: ratio was great, completion precentage, the yards protect were actually 293 00:15:29,400 --> 00:15:32,560 Speaker 1: very good, well over eight. He was not good at Alabama. 294 00:15:32,880 --> 00:15:36,520 Speaker 1: He was not good at Green Bay fifty six. What 295 00:15:36,720 --> 00:15:40,200 Speaker 1: was his seventeenth round draft, Yes, fifty seven, fifty eight. 296 00:15:40,240 --> 00:15:42,720 Speaker 1: He was a backup. They didn't think he didn't have 297 00:15:42,720 --> 00:15:46,440 Speaker 1: a good enough arm. He's smart and he's accurate, but 298 00:15:46,520 --> 00:15:50,440 Speaker 1: he he's not He's just kind of frail. The Vinslmbardi 299 00:15:50,560 --> 00:15:53,400 Speaker 1: came in and started watching him and decided to give 300 00:15:53,520 --> 00:15:57,600 Speaker 1: him a shot, and the rest is history. And he 301 00:15:57,840 --> 00:16:02,240 Speaker 1: was incredibly accurate. Now he benefited two Hall of Fame 302 00:16:02,320 --> 00:16:07,120 Speaker 1: running bags. Yeah he had one. I mean he hauled two. 303 00:16:08,040 --> 00:16:11,000 Speaker 1: Two Hall of Famer offensive lineman another one it could 304 00:16:11,040 --> 00:16:13,880 Speaker 1: have been. And so he had a lot of talent 305 00:16:14,000 --> 00:16:17,320 Speaker 1: around him. But he was accurate, he was smart, he 306 00:16:17,480 --> 00:16:22,160 Speaker 1: was you couldn't He never got flustered. And back then 307 00:16:22,240 --> 00:16:23,960 Speaker 1: you could cheap shot him. You could hit him in 308 00:16:24,040 --> 00:16:26,880 Speaker 1: the head, hit him in the knees, anything you wanted 309 00:16:26,920 --> 00:16:29,440 Speaker 1: to do. Had slapped the quarterbacks. Yep. One of the 310 00:16:29,520 --> 00:16:32,120 Speaker 1: things that I grew up like in football. When I 311 00:16:32,160 --> 00:16:34,760 Speaker 1: was a kid, on Thanksgiving, my dad and granddad we 312 00:16:34,840 --> 00:16:37,920 Speaker 1: always watched the Lions and they played the Tiger Stadium 313 00:16:37,960 --> 00:16:40,920 Speaker 1: in the mud, and my dad, you say, the mud, 314 00:16:40,960 --> 00:16:43,480 Speaker 1: the blood and the beer. That's the way football is 315 00:16:43,520 --> 00:16:45,680 Speaker 1: meant to be. And the Lions were good then, and 316 00:16:45,760 --> 00:16:48,200 Speaker 1: they were dirty and they and the Bears were too 317 00:16:48,240 --> 00:16:50,840 Speaker 1: and they just abused Star when they could get to him, 318 00:16:51,160 --> 00:16:53,840 Speaker 1: and he never acted like he gave it a second thought. 319 00:16:53,920 --> 00:16:55,320 Speaker 1: I mean, that's why they call it the black and 320 00:16:57,000 --> 00:17:00,640 Speaker 1: they were and he was just so good in such 321 00:17:00,680 --> 00:17:06,119 Speaker 1: a great guy. A couple of times when Greg Cook 322 00:17:06,200 --> 00:17:09,760 Speaker 1: worked at six ten, Greg had played for him, played 323 00:17:09,840 --> 00:17:12,200 Speaker 1: that Greg played nine years with Packers in there Hall 324 00:17:12,240 --> 00:17:14,840 Speaker 1: of Fame, and he might have played every year for Starr, 325 00:17:14,880 --> 00:17:17,399 Speaker 1: I can't remember. But if he wanted Bart to come 326 00:17:17,440 --> 00:17:19,359 Speaker 1: on the show, he just picked up the phone call 327 00:17:19,520 --> 00:17:22,680 Speaker 1: Starr came on, and one time Greg and I were 328 00:17:22,720 --> 00:17:25,920 Speaker 1: on by ourselves, and I asked Bart during a commercial 329 00:17:25,960 --> 00:17:27,480 Speaker 1: if I could ask him the Hall of Fame question. 330 00:17:27,520 --> 00:17:31,000 Speaker 1: He said sure, So when he came back, I thought 331 00:17:31,000 --> 00:17:34,000 Speaker 1: he the answer would be Jerry Kramer, and I said, 332 00:17:34,280 --> 00:17:36,200 Speaker 1: what Packer, who's not in the Hall of Fame is 333 00:17:36,200 --> 00:17:39,919 Speaker 1: the most deserving because we're just getting so many I 334 00:17:40,080 --> 00:17:44,200 Speaker 1: rate emails from Packer fans about Jerry Kramer not getting 335 00:17:44,200 --> 00:17:46,280 Speaker 1: in there, and he would be at the super Bowl 336 00:17:46,320 --> 00:17:49,119 Speaker 1: every year doing those radios. He was more famous for 337 00:17:49,200 --> 00:17:51,119 Speaker 1: not being in and now that we put him in, 338 00:17:51,200 --> 00:17:53,520 Speaker 1: people are not gonna He's not gonna get that publist, 339 00:17:53,640 --> 00:17:56,480 Speaker 1: that's the thing. So I asked him, I said, do 340 00:17:56,520 --> 00:17:58,560 Speaker 1: you have one? He says, I sure do, And I 341 00:17:58,600 --> 00:18:01,360 Speaker 1: said who would that be? If you don't mind me asking? No, 342 00:18:01,480 --> 00:18:03,879 Speaker 1: I don't mind, And I thought he's gonna say Jerry Kramer, 343 00:18:03,880 --> 00:18:07,800 Speaker 1: and he said, Bob's Kronsky. And I looked at Greg, 344 00:18:07,840 --> 00:18:10,600 Speaker 1: and Greg looked at me, and I knew he played 345 00:18:10,640 --> 00:18:14,840 Speaker 1: tackle opposite Forrest. Greg turned out I checked on it, 346 00:18:15,440 --> 00:18:20,400 Speaker 1: that was his good buddy. And then and I guess 347 00:18:20,480 --> 00:18:23,959 Speaker 1: he said that one too many times and Jerry Kramer 348 00:18:24,000 --> 00:18:26,440 Speaker 1: got his feelings hurt, so then he had to kind 349 00:18:26,440 --> 00:18:31,560 Speaker 1: of change it and change his tune. And he battled 350 00:18:31,560 --> 00:18:34,960 Speaker 1: back from two strokes in a heart attack in twoy fourteen, 351 00:18:35,760 --> 00:18:37,920 Speaker 1: when Brett Farr went in Hall of Fame up there 352 00:18:37,920 --> 00:18:40,880 Speaker 1: and they brought out Bart in a golf cart and 353 00:18:40,960 --> 00:18:42,920 Speaker 1: Brett went over to him as one of the most 354 00:18:43,320 --> 00:18:47,280 Speaker 1: emotional things I've ever seen. There's never been a classier guy. 355 00:18:47,960 --> 00:18:51,160 Speaker 1: And then Bart started. At one point early in their 356 00:18:51,280 --> 00:18:54,720 Speaker 1: relationship with Lombardi, Lombardi would fall in love with Sonny 357 00:18:54,800 --> 00:19:01,119 Speaker 1: Jerkison because Sonny just opposite Star Swashburg Buckler defied authority. 358 00:19:01,160 --> 00:19:03,720 Speaker 1: But boy he was a winner, but not a winner 359 00:19:03,800 --> 00:19:07,840 Speaker 1: like Star five championships. John, I don't mean to harken 360 00:19:07,960 --> 00:19:10,800 Speaker 1: back too much here and to date anybody in the room, 361 00:19:11,440 --> 00:19:13,200 Speaker 1: but I'm not gonna date myself, but I'll date you. 362 00:19:13,520 --> 00:19:18,040 Speaker 1: So when the AFL was playing opposite the NFL, what 363 00:19:18,119 --> 00:19:21,199 Speaker 1: was that like on a Sunday AFL football on and 364 00:19:21,359 --> 00:19:24,080 Speaker 1: NFL football, it had to be weird. It was. It 365 00:19:24,160 --> 00:19:27,200 Speaker 1: was the NFL when I was a kid in nineteen 366 00:19:27,440 --> 00:19:32,359 Speaker 1: sixty and when the Cowboys and Oilers came to fruition 367 00:19:32,600 --> 00:19:36,560 Speaker 1: and the AFL had an NBC contract, and they were 368 00:19:36,600 --> 00:19:38,760 Speaker 1: more fun because they threw the ball all over the 369 00:19:38,760 --> 00:19:42,600 Speaker 1: place in the NFL, and I became a Cowboys fan, 370 00:19:42,720 --> 00:19:47,199 Speaker 1: but they were the Cowboys who were screwed on as 371 00:19:47,240 --> 00:19:50,119 Speaker 1: an expansion team. Didn't even let him draft till the 372 00:19:50,200 --> 00:19:53,879 Speaker 1: second year and gave him the drag, and so they 373 00:19:54,440 --> 00:19:56,760 Speaker 1: they didn't win a game. They had one tie, whether 374 00:19:56,840 --> 00:20:00,040 Speaker 1: others were throwing ball, George Blandis throwing at Charlie and 375 00:20:00,119 --> 00:20:03,720 Speaker 1: again in Bill Groman and Charlie Tolar and Billy Cannon. 376 00:20:03,760 --> 00:20:06,760 Speaker 1: They got these guys that are scoring touchdowns and they 377 00:20:06,760 --> 00:20:10,840 Speaker 1: were exciting and they won a championship. Cowboys were the worst, 378 00:20:10,880 --> 00:20:15,560 Speaker 1: and so I would watch both and back then, I 379 00:20:15,600 --> 00:20:17,800 Speaker 1: don't think they had a rule that they couldn't come on. 380 00:20:17,920 --> 00:20:21,240 Speaker 1: They came. They came on opposite each other. If that's 381 00:20:21,280 --> 00:20:24,359 Speaker 1: when they were schedule. Then when the Cowboys started winning 382 00:20:24,920 --> 00:20:27,880 Speaker 1: four years later, then of course everybody fell in love 383 00:20:27,920 --> 00:20:29,840 Speaker 1: with them, because then the Oilers fell off the cliff. 384 00:20:30,359 --> 00:20:33,440 Speaker 1: But it was fun watch. AFL had a lot of stars. 385 00:20:33,960 --> 00:20:37,080 Speaker 1: They One of the things AFL didn't do they recruited 386 00:20:37,119 --> 00:20:40,439 Speaker 1: all the black colleges you know they had they had 387 00:20:40,119 --> 00:20:44,720 Speaker 1: They hired Tom Williams, assistant general manager. Tom I think 388 00:20:44,840 --> 00:20:47,920 Speaker 1: was a track coach at Grambling and Tom came here 389 00:20:48,040 --> 00:20:51,640 Speaker 1: and he knew all those coaches and the Oilers, the Raiders, 390 00:20:51,680 --> 00:20:54,840 Speaker 1: the Chiefs. They started signing all those players from predominantly 391 00:20:55,280 --> 00:20:56,919 Speaker 1: black colleges, and now a lot of them are in 392 00:20:56,920 --> 00:20:59,359 Speaker 1: the Hall of Fame. The NFL didn't do that for 393 00:20:59,400 --> 00:21:02,000 Speaker 1: a long long time. All right, So Star is the 394 00:21:02,040 --> 00:21:07,119 Speaker 1: all time player passer reading? What was it late to 395 00:21:07,160 --> 00:21:09,920 Speaker 1: watch a guy like Nameth on a weekly basis or 396 00:21:10,000 --> 00:21:13,720 Speaker 1: semi weekly basis. Damon threw more interceptions and touchdowns, and 397 00:21:14,440 --> 00:21:17,080 Speaker 1: you talk about getting cheap shotted if he if those 398 00:21:17,119 --> 00:21:19,800 Speaker 1: guys played under today's rules, no, tell him how long 399 00:21:19,840 --> 00:21:22,760 Speaker 1: they would have played. Nameth threw the ball down the field. 400 00:21:22,800 --> 00:21:25,000 Speaker 1: You know they didn't play. They played a lot of 401 00:21:25,040 --> 00:21:30,120 Speaker 1: man coverage, and he threw to Don Maynard, Texan, George 402 00:21:30,160 --> 00:21:35,000 Speaker 1: Sower another Texan, and he threw the ball deep. He 403 00:21:35,040 --> 00:21:38,520 Speaker 1: didn't dump it off a lot, and he unfortunately got 404 00:21:38,560 --> 00:21:42,640 Speaker 1: hurt a lot, and the course Super Bowl three made him. 405 00:21:42,760 --> 00:21:45,920 Speaker 1: I don't know if I've told you this, but before 406 00:21:46,880 --> 00:21:50,440 Speaker 1: the sixty five season, I believe that was it. Thefl 407 00:21:50,480 --> 00:21:53,000 Speaker 1: owners at a secret meeting and he each wrote down 408 00:21:53,000 --> 00:21:55,760 Speaker 1: the name of a star who was going into a 409 00:21:55,800 --> 00:21:58,439 Speaker 1: senior year of college, and they drew him out of 410 00:21:58,440 --> 00:22:00,600 Speaker 1: a hat. And whoever you drew, you were supposed to 411 00:22:00,640 --> 00:22:04,680 Speaker 1: sign that guy. Bud Adams drew Joe Namath. He called 412 00:22:04,760 --> 00:22:07,760 Speaker 1: Nameth a couple of times in Tuscaloos, and Nameth politely 413 00:22:07,840 --> 00:22:11,199 Speaker 1: told him I'm not interest. I wanted not interested in Houston. 414 00:22:11,240 --> 00:22:13,240 Speaker 1: I want to play in the bright lights in New York, 415 00:22:13,680 --> 00:22:16,080 Speaker 1: Chicago or Los Angeles. And Bud said, I'll give you 416 00:22:16,160 --> 00:22:18,960 Speaker 1: more money than you ever dreamed us. Thank you, sir, 417 00:22:19,080 --> 00:22:21,320 Speaker 1: but I'd rather I want to do that. So they 418 00:22:21,320 --> 00:22:23,520 Speaker 1: didn't have a team to Chicago. LA had moved to 419 00:22:23,560 --> 00:22:26,359 Speaker 1: San Diego, and New York was the worst franchise in 420 00:22:26,440 --> 00:22:29,600 Speaker 1: football either league, and that was the New York Titans. 421 00:22:30,119 --> 00:22:33,200 Speaker 1: So Bud called the league office and said, this kid, 422 00:22:33,760 --> 00:22:36,199 Speaker 1: and everybody says he's gonna be great, but he's not 423 00:22:36,280 --> 00:22:39,080 Speaker 1: interested in coming to Houston. If we want him, I'm 424 00:22:39,080 --> 00:22:41,600 Speaker 1: gonna have to give the rights to the Titans. And 425 00:22:41,720 --> 00:22:45,800 Speaker 1: turned out, I believe that's when Broadway producers Sonny Werblin 426 00:22:46,359 --> 00:22:48,879 Speaker 1: had a group to buy the tournament to the Jets, 427 00:22:48,880 --> 00:22:52,680 Speaker 1: and he was all about promotion, and so Bud gave 428 00:22:52,840 --> 00:22:57,200 Speaker 1: the rights to Joe Namath for Jerry Rome. And I've 429 00:22:57,240 --> 00:22:59,480 Speaker 1: talked to Jerry about this. Bud told me his story 430 00:22:59,480 --> 00:23:03,399 Speaker 1: of years ago old Lamar Hunt had confirmed it that. So, 431 00:23:03,520 --> 00:23:07,119 Speaker 1: really Bud Adams kind of saved the NFL and the 432 00:23:07,200 --> 00:23:11,480 Speaker 1: rest was history. And werblin game name of the biggest contract. 433 00:23:11,560 --> 00:23:14,360 Speaker 1: I don't know if it's all sports are just in football. 434 00:23:14,920 --> 00:23:18,000 Speaker 1: I remember people were just blown away by that contract. 435 00:23:18,359 --> 00:23:21,080 Speaker 1: Since we're in the throwback machine, do you have any 436 00:23:21,119 --> 00:23:24,560 Speaker 1: recollection of watching the Dallas Texans on television who later 437 00:23:24,600 --> 00:23:28,199 Speaker 1: became the Kansas City Chiefs. No, I do not, and 438 00:23:28,359 --> 00:23:32,160 Speaker 1: that's not true. They the third year when they played 439 00:23:32,440 --> 00:23:37,159 Speaker 1: the Oilers for the championship, it was double overtime. Tony 440 00:23:37,320 --> 00:23:40,879 Speaker 1: Tommy Booker kicked the winning field goal. So that's what 441 00:23:40,960 --> 00:23:45,160 Speaker 1: I remember about them. Then Lamar Hunt, his family course 442 00:23:45,280 --> 00:23:47,920 Speaker 1: was in Dallas. He moved to Kansas City, which was 443 00:23:47,960 --> 00:23:51,280 Speaker 1: a great move by m an untapped market. Do you 444 00:23:51,359 --> 00:23:56,400 Speaker 1: know that George Hallis brought Lamar Hunt and Bud Adams. 445 00:23:56,480 --> 00:24:01,000 Speaker 1: They nounced the NFL and Bud's office here, and he 446 00:24:01,160 --> 00:24:06,480 Speaker 1: offered them expansion franchises in Dallas and Minneapolis if they 447 00:24:06,480 --> 00:24:09,120 Speaker 1: would have dropped the idea of a new league, which 448 00:24:09,119 --> 00:24:14,439 Speaker 1: would cause the financial blood. Well, I don't think Lamar 449 00:24:14,480 --> 00:24:17,199 Speaker 1: would have readed that since he lived in Dallas. But 450 00:24:17,320 --> 00:24:20,239 Speaker 1: Bud could own the Vikings, and so they were going 451 00:24:20,280 --> 00:24:23,199 Speaker 1: to do it. But they Lamar wonedn't writing in Allas, 452 00:24:23,240 --> 00:24:25,679 Speaker 1: said he hadn't told anybody about it, but my words 453 00:24:25,760 --> 00:24:28,359 Speaker 1: my bond. And you know, here's a twenty six year 454 00:24:28,400 --> 00:24:30,840 Speaker 1: old and thirty four year old telling the guy founded 455 00:24:31,240 --> 00:24:34,240 Speaker 1: the National Football League. Well, sir, I know your words 456 00:24:34,600 --> 00:24:36,840 Speaker 1: as good as goal, but we still needed in writing. 457 00:24:37,400 --> 00:24:39,159 Speaker 1: And he kicked him out of there, out of his 458 00:24:39,280 --> 00:24:42,040 Speaker 1: office in Chicago. Tell them is going to be a mistake, 459 00:24:42,080 --> 00:24:44,600 Speaker 1: and the league would never survive, and all of them 460 00:24:44,600 --> 00:24:48,280 Speaker 1: would go out of business because they couldn't withstand the war. 461 00:24:49,000 --> 00:24:53,240 Speaker 1: And and I often thought, what if Bud had owned 462 00:24:53,240 --> 00:24:55,919 Speaker 1: the Minnesota Vikings and what would have been here? Eventually, 463 00:24:56,119 --> 00:24:58,160 Speaker 1: eventually the city gets a team. It's a huge market, 464 00:24:58,160 --> 00:25:00,320 Speaker 1: all right. The general stays with us. I've one more 465 00:25:00,359 --> 00:25:02,399 Speaker 1: quarterback to ask him about. We got to ask him 466 00:25:02,440 --> 00:25:04,639 Speaker 1: about hard Knocks as well, because they're having trouble finding 467 00:25:04,640 --> 00:25:06,600 Speaker 1: a team that wants to be on the program. And 468 00:25:06,640 --> 00:25:10,600 Speaker 1: what about this eighteen game schedule stuff. It is Texans Radio. 469 00:25:11,040 --> 00:25:13,399 Speaker 1: We're hanging out with John McClain on a Thursday. I 470 00:25:13,400 --> 00:25:16,160 Speaker 1: appreciate you being along for the ride with us here 471 00:25:16,200 --> 00:25:18,320 Speaker 1: on Texans All Access. And we've been talking about a 472 00:25:18,359 --> 00:25:21,000 Speaker 1: bunch of stuff tonight, Ota review a little bit on 473 00:25:21,680 --> 00:25:24,640 Speaker 1: quarterbacks from yesteryear because of the passing of Bart Star 474 00:25:24,720 --> 00:25:27,560 Speaker 1: big topic this week, and we'll get to some of 475 00:25:27,560 --> 00:25:29,239 Speaker 1: the other around the league stuff in just a moment here. 476 00:25:29,240 --> 00:25:30,800 Speaker 1: But John, one more quarterback. I wanted to ask you 477 00:25:30,800 --> 00:25:33,600 Speaker 1: about it that you watched live that I've always been 478 00:25:33,640 --> 00:25:35,960 Speaker 1: curious about. We've all seen the highlights, but seeing Johnny 479 00:25:36,040 --> 00:25:38,959 Speaker 1: Unitis on a regular basis, because that's a name that 480 00:25:39,040 --> 00:25:43,000 Speaker 1: lives so eternally, is one of the great all time 481 00:25:43,080 --> 00:25:45,280 Speaker 1: signal callers. What was that like? When I was a kid, 482 00:25:45,359 --> 00:25:48,919 Speaker 1: I had a Baltimore Culture uniform. My parents gave me 483 00:25:49,000 --> 00:25:51,480 Speaker 1: and I wore it, and I made my little brother 484 00:25:51,600 --> 00:25:55,120 Speaker 1: go out and be Raymond buried in the backyard, and 485 00:25:55,200 --> 00:26:00,520 Speaker 1: I wanted to be Johnny United. In nineteen eighty three, there. 486 00:26:00,640 --> 00:26:03,320 Speaker 1: Last year in Baltimore, the Oilers played there, and I 487 00:26:03,359 --> 00:26:05,040 Speaker 1: was on the sideline at the end of the game 488 00:26:05,840 --> 00:26:09,480 Speaker 1: and he's standing there, and I went and stood behind him, 489 00:26:09,520 --> 00:26:12,200 Speaker 1: and I'm like, God, you're so short. You're supposed to 490 00:26:12,240 --> 00:26:15,600 Speaker 1: be ten feet tall. And I wanted to say something 491 00:26:15,680 --> 00:26:18,879 Speaker 1: to him about how how much I admired him. And 492 00:26:18,920 --> 00:26:21,560 Speaker 1: I'm thinking, you know, he's heard that a thousand times, 493 00:26:22,000 --> 00:26:24,479 Speaker 1: and I'm trying to think, how can I approach Johnny 494 00:26:24,480 --> 00:26:26,399 Speaker 1: and IDAs and tell him I used to play like 495 00:26:26,440 --> 00:26:29,680 Speaker 1: I was him in the backyard and I couldn't do it. 496 00:26:30,080 --> 00:26:31,880 Speaker 1: And then the game ended, because you know, we went 497 00:26:31,920 --> 00:26:34,920 Speaker 1: down with two minutes left, and he started walking off 498 00:26:34,960 --> 00:26:37,280 Speaker 1: and I walked with him, and he was bowlegged by 499 00:26:37,320 --> 00:26:40,399 Speaker 1: the end. He had but he was probably six feet tall. 500 00:26:40,480 --> 00:26:44,280 Speaker 1: He was not wearing high tops. And I still think 501 00:26:44,440 --> 00:26:47,560 Speaker 1: of all the I didn't cover him. I watched him though, 502 00:26:48,200 --> 00:26:54,560 Speaker 1: that he and Montana and Brady and Peyton and Elway 503 00:26:54,560 --> 00:26:59,320 Speaker 1: are the greatest quarterbacks I've ever seen, and he was 504 00:26:59,359 --> 00:27:02,399 Speaker 1: such an acre a passer. We're being asked by the 505 00:27:02,440 --> 00:27:06,679 Speaker 1: AP a bunch of us to vote on like greatest play, 506 00:27:06,840 --> 00:27:11,480 Speaker 1: Greatest Game, and all that. Yeah, and I'm I'm the 507 00:27:11,920 --> 00:27:16,359 Speaker 1: I put number one, the Alan Amici overtime touchdown to 508 00:27:16,440 --> 00:27:18,800 Speaker 1: Cols beat the Giants because it put the NFL on 509 00:27:18,840 --> 00:27:22,400 Speaker 1: the map. It was passed overtime game, and I'm gonna 510 00:27:22,400 --> 00:27:24,800 Speaker 1: put that his game. And There's been so many great ones, 511 00:27:24,880 --> 00:27:28,640 Speaker 1: of course, and United's was just he was a pocket 512 00:27:28,800 --> 00:27:32,960 Speaker 1: dropped back passer. Quarterbacks didn't run until fran Tarkington came 513 00:27:33,000 --> 00:27:35,879 Speaker 1: in and set everybody on their ear. They couldn't believe 514 00:27:35,880 --> 00:27:38,960 Speaker 1: it is. He the most forgotten all time creates and 515 00:27:39,040 --> 00:27:41,080 Speaker 1: he's in the Hall of Fame. And one reason he's 516 00:27:41,119 --> 00:27:44,199 Speaker 1: just disappeared now he goes from TV and he's a 517 00:27:44,240 --> 00:27:48,080 Speaker 1: businessman in Atlanta. I've only seen back in Canton one 518 00:27:48,160 --> 00:27:52,640 Speaker 1: time and he just disappeared. And uh, well, more seasoned 519 00:27:52,720 --> 00:27:55,480 Speaker 1: people will remember. That's incredible. The TV show that he 520 00:27:55,520 --> 00:27:58,480 Speaker 1: was he did. He was such a big personality, but 521 00:27:58,560 --> 00:28:01,080 Speaker 1: he didn't get the respect that he deserved as a 522 00:28:01,160 --> 00:28:06,119 Speaker 1: passer because they call him a scrambler. And today he 523 00:28:06,160 --> 00:28:09,840 Speaker 1: would be conservative based on what we see. But I 524 00:28:09,880 --> 00:28:13,560 Speaker 1: thought United's was just spectacular to watch, just a machine. 525 00:28:14,600 --> 00:28:16,719 Speaker 1: Great stuff from the general line of him. All right, 526 00:28:16,720 --> 00:28:19,800 Speaker 1: it's a few things here having trouble finding it to 527 00:28:19,880 --> 00:28:22,760 Speaker 1: him to do hard knocks should be the Raiders without 528 00:28:22,800 --> 00:28:27,159 Speaker 1: a doubt, and the Raiders you get to see so 529 00:28:27,280 --> 00:28:33,120 Speaker 1: many head cases. Vontez birthfact, Antonio Brown now the biggest 530 00:28:33,200 --> 00:28:38,400 Speaker 1: in NFL history. I believe Richie Incognito the Raiders and 531 00:28:38,640 --> 00:28:42,840 Speaker 1: the Raiders should be ashamed giving this guy another chance. 532 00:28:43,560 --> 00:28:46,880 Speaker 1: But still I'd watch to see how crazy he is. 533 00:28:47,400 --> 00:28:50,760 Speaker 1: And he is crazy. He's admitted it. And to me, 534 00:28:51,000 --> 00:28:54,520 Speaker 1: everybody else is boring, and everybody else in second place 535 00:28:54,560 --> 00:28:57,000 Speaker 1: to the Raiders. And somebody said, well, wait till they 536 00:28:57,080 --> 00:28:59,360 Speaker 1: get to Vegas. Well, they're not gonna have training camp 537 00:28:59,400 --> 00:29:03,000 Speaker 1: in Vegas next year. They don't have a facility it's 538 00:29:03,000 --> 00:29:05,560 Speaker 1: going to be ready next year. So they may end 539 00:29:05,640 --> 00:29:09,040 Speaker 1: up having to train in Oakland, where they are now, 540 00:29:09,120 --> 00:29:12,640 Speaker 1: and then going back and forth. But they've never trained 541 00:29:12,640 --> 00:29:15,360 Speaker 1: away from the West Coast. I don't think so. Just 542 00:29:15,520 --> 00:29:19,720 Speaker 1: because the team's gonna be playing in Vegas in August, 543 00:29:19,800 --> 00:29:22,040 Speaker 1: they're not gonna be there, I don't think so. Give 544 00:29:22,120 --> 00:29:26,760 Speaker 1: us the Raiders now, don't wait till Incognito and Perfect 545 00:29:26,880 --> 00:29:29,880 Speaker 1: and some of those other head cases are gone. Do 546 00:29:30,040 --> 00:29:33,520 Speaker 1: it this year. They do have a lot of interesting personalities, 547 00:29:33,560 --> 00:29:36,720 Speaker 1: no doubt. But there was a whole article about by 548 00:29:36,800 --> 00:29:39,680 Speaker 1: Florio on how teams just don't want it, which is 549 00:29:39,840 --> 00:29:44,360 Speaker 1: hardly breaking news. It's such an intrusion India building, the 550 00:29:44,640 --> 00:29:48,000 Speaker 1: Texans went to the playoffs, the Browns type it around, 551 00:29:48,120 --> 00:29:50,480 Speaker 1: but they don't enjoy having it now. Bill O'Brien said, 552 00:29:50,480 --> 00:29:52,360 Speaker 1: the guys couldn't have been any better from Hard Knocks 553 00:29:52,440 --> 00:29:54,400 Speaker 1: Ken Rodders. I was always worried about it, and I 554 00:29:54,520 --> 00:29:57,240 Speaker 1: thought those guys did a tremendous job they did. I 555 00:29:57,360 --> 00:30:00,360 Speaker 1: just think it's odd when you work somewhere and somebody 556 00:30:00,400 --> 00:30:02,840 Speaker 1: has a camera in your office and it's miked up. 557 00:30:03,240 --> 00:30:05,480 Speaker 1: I think that has to be really tough to live with. 558 00:30:05,640 --> 00:30:07,400 Speaker 1: Even if it's only for a four or five weeks 559 00:30:07,480 --> 00:30:09,960 Speaker 1: or whatever the total count is, it's got to be brutal. 560 00:30:10,080 --> 00:30:14,120 Speaker 1: There's a god Bill Belichick will have a camera in 561 00:30:14,240 --> 00:30:17,239 Speaker 1: his office for Hard Knocks. Well, he allows it from 562 00:30:17,320 --> 00:30:19,640 Speaker 1: time to time, but not for that whole thing like that. 563 00:30:19,960 --> 00:30:23,120 Speaker 1: You know. Florio's point is that with all the social 564 00:30:23,200 --> 00:30:25,320 Speaker 1: media by the team, a lot of the clubs do 565 00:30:25,440 --> 00:30:28,120 Speaker 1: their own work. It's not exactly Hard Knocks, but we 566 00:30:28,200 --> 00:30:30,360 Speaker 1: put out stuff that takes you inside a little bit, 567 00:30:30,840 --> 00:30:33,360 Speaker 1: and some more than others. With all that out there, 568 00:30:33,400 --> 00:30:35,480 Speaker 1: do you really need Hard Knocks anymore? I think that's 569 00:30:35,520 --> 00:30:38,320 Speaker 1: still a very hard every episode of every show. I 570 00:30:38,440 --> 00:30:40,960 Speaker 1: like it as well done too. I'm fascinated because it 571 00:30:42,200 --> 00:30:46,560 Speaker 1: shows me things I can't see otherwise, including on your website. 572 00:30:47,120 --> 00:30:51,000 Speaker 1: You know, y'all give, y'all give from advantage point that 573 00:30:51,120 --> 00:30:54,720 Speaker 1: their media can't do. But still hard knocks because those 574 00:30:54,800 --> 00:30:57,880 Speaker 1: cameras are in there all the time. And sometime like 575 00:30:58,120 --> 00:31:02,440 Speaker 1: last year when that first episode when you knew, when 576 00:31:05,040 --> 00:31:08,120 Speaker 1: Corey Colman the receiver walks into Hugh Campbell and won't 577 00:31:08,200 --> 00:31:10,000 Speaker 1: know why he's not running with the first team, and 578 00:31:10,040 --> 00:31:13,360 Speaker 1: he says, check with Todd, meaning Todd Haley in other words, 579 00:31:13,400 --> 00:31:16,640 Speaker 1: I don't know. You knew that was going to be different. Yeah, 580 00:31:16,960 --> 00:31:19,880 Speaker 1: and I thought the Browns were fascinating. I wish they 581 00:31:19,920 --> 00:31:22,520 Speaker 1: could force him to do another year because of all 582 00:31:22,560 --> 00:31:25,840 Speaker 1: the changes they've made. But I tell you what, if 583 00:31:25,880 --> 00:31:28,120 Speaker 1: the Raiders are in there, I can't wait to see 584 00:31:28,120 --> 00:31:30,800 Speaker 1: it because Grydon's going to be a great personality. I'm 585 00:31:30,840 --> 00:31:34,440 Speaker 1: embarrassed for Mayock saying that, well, that can't have all 586 00:31:34,560 --> 00:31:38,160 Speaker 1: boy scouts. I thought that was a cop out on Incognito, 587 00:31:38,280 --> 00:31:42,600 Speaker 1: and I thought Mike was going to, I don't know, 588 00:31:44,320 --> 00:31:46,680 Speaker 1: not go off the deep end with some of these 589 00:31:46,760 --> 00:31:49,200 Speaker 1: signings when you're so desperate to win, but to have 590 00:31:49,440 --> 00:31:52,560 Speaker 1: Perfect and Incognito, I know they're different and perfect with 591 00:31:52,640 --> 00:31:55,360 Speaker 1: Antonio Brown, who a cheap shot had cost him a 592 00:31:55,560 --> 00:31:58,880 Speaker 1: playoff win, I just think there's a lot of there 593 00:31:58,920 --> 00:32:01,040 Speaker 1: are a lot of things that can go wrong. Yes, 594 00:32:01,720 --> 00:32:05,800 Speaker 1: and that's perfect for TV. You know HBO wants them. Yeah, Yeah, 595 00:32:06,040 --> 00:32:08,480 Speaker 1: a lot of potential. I don't think the NFL, based 596 00:32:08,520 --> 00:32:12,720 Speaker 1: on if you signed Richie Incognito and Vontes Perfect, you 597 00:32:12,800 --> 00:32:15,600 Speaker 1: shouldn't have the right to say no to me. You 598 00:32:15,760 --> 00:32:18,480 Speaker 1: give up your privileges. What was your thought when that 599 00:32:18,600 --> 00:32:21,400 Speaker 1: Jason Witten went back to the Dallas Cowboys. I thought 600 00:32:21,480 --> 00:32:25,040 Speaker 1: Jerry Jones rescued him from being fired, although ESPN swears 601 00:32:25,080 --> 00:32:27,840 Speaker 1: that he was coming back. Is he a luck to 602 00:32:27,960 --> 00:32:32,760 Speaker 1: make the team job? I think that yes. If he's not, 603 00:32:33,000 --> 00:32:35,520 Speaker 1: he'll retire Now. Maybe this whole thing is a set 604 00:32:35,600 --> 00:32:40,840 Speaker 1: up for him to retire again on his volition to 605 00:32:40,960 --> 00:32:42,680 Speaker 1: see kind of his terms and air quote because the 606 00:32:42,720 --> 00:32:45,280 Speaker 1: way they're talking about well, he'll play twenty five plays 607 00:32:45,320 --> 00:32:47,520 Speaker 1: a game, but what if he plays real well and 608 00:32:47,680 --> 00:32:49,880 Speaker 1: they do need a tight end, but it's it kind 609 00:32:49,920 --> 00:32:54,080 Speaker 1: of reaked, the desperation for an offense that didn't need it, 610 00:32:54,400 --> 00:32:56,600 Speaker 1: And why is it so hard for them to find 611 00:32:56,640 --> 00:32:59,200 Speaker 1: it tight end? There were guys out there in free agency. 612 00:32:59,560 --> 00:33:02,000 Speaker 1: They couldn't draft one of the two top guys because 613 00:33:02,000 --> 00:33:04,440 Speaker 1: they didn't have the first round pick. But I think 614 00:33:04,480 --> 00:33:06,680 Speaker 1: it's gonna be fun now. The media loves Wint and 615 00:33:06,760 --> 00:33:10,080 Speaker 1: he's great, great talker. That's why they thought for him 616 00:33:10,080 --> 00:33:12,120 Speaker 1: to come back. That's why a lot of people thought 617 00:33:12,120 --> 00:33:13,400 Speaker 1: he would be good. In the booth Monday, I have 618 00:33:13,480 --> 00:33:17,840 Speaker 1: football coming back. Delays's uh eligibility for the Hall of 619 00:33:17,920 --> 00:33:21,200 Speaker 1: Fame and he's a lock, right? Oh yeah, yeah, I 620 00:33:21,280 --> 00:33:23,400 Speaker 1: mean look at the look at where he is on 621 00:33:23,440 --> 00:33:25,480 Speaker 1: the all time receptions list, and look at what he 622 00:33:25,560 --> 00:33:29,000 Speaker 1: did me as yes or no, nothing else. Rob Gronkowski 623 00:33:29,120 --> 00:33:33,120 Speaker 1: first ballot, Yes, yes, I say so too. But there's 624 00:33:33,160 --> 00:33:35,520 Speaker 1: some people trying to say, oh no, well he didn't 625 00:33:35,520 --> 00:33:37,680 Speaker 1: play long enough. I don't need him to play anymore. 626 00:33:39,960 --> 00:33:43,280 Speaker 1: Watched Mike Didka, I watched John Mackie. I've watched some 627 00:33:43,400 --> 00:33:47,840 Speaker 1: of the greatest tight ends Tony Gonzalez and Gronkowski as 628 00:33:48,080 --> 00:33:54,840 Speaker 1: a receiver, blocker, lining up inside outside. I think he's 629 00:33:54,880 --> 00:33:58,360 Speaker 1: the greatest in history. You know, he had trouble staying healthy, 630 00:33:58,720 --> 00:34:01,960 Speaker 1: There's no doubt about that, and it costs them sometimes 631 00:34:02,160 --> 00:34:05,280 Speaker 1: in the postseason not having him around. There's no question. 632 00:34:05,480 --> 00:34:07,480 Speaker 1: But look at what he did do. Just look at 633 00:34:07,520 --> 00:34:09,080 Speaker 1: what he did due never mind what he didn't do, 634 00:34:09,280 --> 00:34:11,560 Speaker 1: and he's certainly a Hall of Famer first ballot, I 635 00:34:11,960 --> 00:34:14,439 Speaker 1: have no question about that. Back to Whitning a Monday 636 00:34:14,480 --> 00:34:16,880 Speaker 1: Night Football though for a moment, Peyton Manning talked about 637 00:34:17,239 --> 00:34:19,440 Speaker 1: the fact that he did have conversations with them, but 638 00:34:19,520 --> 00:34:21,839 Speaker 1: he's not going to do it. Clearly. That's too bad. 639 00:34:22,320 --> 00:34:24,120 Speaker 1: I'd love to see him in that booth. I think 640 00:34:24,160 --> 00:34:27,040 Speaker 1: everybody was. That thing he does on ESPN Plus every 641 00:34:27,080 --> 00:34:30,279 Speaker 1: week during the season's tremendous thing he's doing for the 642 00:34:30,360 --> 00:34:34,200 Speaker 1: one hundred year celebration. It's a shame it's only on 643 00:34:34,600 --> 00:34:39,280 Speaker 1: ESPN Plus. Maybe they'll put it out later because he's magnificent. 644 00:34:39,600 --> 00:34:42,000 Speaker 1: That they said they offered him ten million a year 645 00:34:42,560 --> 00:34:45,640 Speaker 1: to do one night a week. Greden was making seven. 646 00:34:45,760 --> 00:34:48,400 Speaker 1: He said no, they might even said, Okay, here's a 647 00:34:48,480 --> 00:34:51,239 Speaker 1: blank check, what do you want? It was probably just 648 00:34:51,520 --> 00:34:53,600 Speaker 1: not a non starter for him anyway. And it's not 649 00:34:53,680 --> 00:34:55,320 Speaker 1: just one night a week, as you know, because for 650 00:34:55,400 --> 00:34:57,880 Speaker 1: a Monday night game, they're getting there usually around Saturday. 651 00:34:58,280 --> 00:35:00,279 Speaker 1: And knowing how he works, he would have made a 652 00:35:00,400 --> 00:35:03,359 Speaker 1: year long proposition. Yeah, well a week long proposition. He's 653 00:35:03,400 --> 00:35:06,360 Speaker 1: living in Denver, his kids are in good schools, and 654 00:35:06,480 --> 00:35:09,319 Speaker 1: his wife loves it, and he still does a lot 655 00:35:09,440 --> 00:35:12,839 Speaker 1: of things. He's got commercials and everything else. He said 656 00:35:12,960 --> 00:35:16,520 Speaker 1: today the Jets. Despite all those reports that the Jets 657 00:35:16,560 --> 00:35:18,279 Speaker 1: were trying to get him, he said he never heard 658 00:35:18,320 --> 00:35:20,600 Speaker 1: from the Jets. Would you want him to run a 659 00:35:20,640 --> 00:35:23,719 Speaker 1: team if you had one? That's what he wants to do. 660 00:35:24,360 --> 00:35:26,840 Speaker 1: He's told me twice that's what he wants to do. 661 00:35:27,239 --> 00:35:30,600 Speaker 1: Like when Chris Ballard was with the Chiefs number two, 662 00:35:30,760 --> 00:35:33,880 Speaker 1: he turned down two three offers. He wanted to go 663 00:35:34,160 --> 00:35:37,000 Speaker 1: to a situation where he would have total control and 664 00:35:37,120 --> 00:35:40,080 Speaker 1: a quarterback. So he goes to Indeed, he's done a 665 00:35:40,120 --> 00:35:44,120 Speaker 1: pretty good job and I think Peyton. Peyton will have 666 00:35:44,320 --> 00:35:48,000 Speaker 1: to have a really good experienced person with him. Yeah, 667 00:35:48,480 --> 00:35:51,560 Speaker 1: but Elway needed that, right, you know, and so I think, yes, 668 00:35:51,719 --> 00:35:54,200 Speaker 1: I would love to have peyten. But thing I don't 669 00:35:54,280 --> 00:35:55,960 Speaker 1: know from But I don't know, but how tough he 670 00:35:56,000 --> 00:35:58,880 Speaker 1: would be on people, He might be really tough if 671 00:35:58,960 --> 00:36:02,279 Speaker 1: he didn't see them at his work ethic, which may 672 00:36:02,320 --> 00:36:07,480 Speaker 1: bee non non perell work ethic. And but he's it's 673 00:36:07,520 --> 00:36:10,000 Speaker 1: just not right. And I can't imagine he would have 674 00:36:10,040 --> 00:36:12,960 Speaker 1: gone to the Jets. That's not an ideal situation if 675 00:36:13,000 --> 00:36:15,920 Speaker 1: indeed they had wanted him, Well, if he'd loved Darnald, 676 00:36:16,080 --> 00:36:18,040 Speaker 1: it might have helped a little bit anyway. Yeah, but 677 00:36:18,160 --> 00:36:20,920 Speaker 1: there's just too there's a story but in the New 678 00:36:21,000 --> 00:36:24,799 Speaker 1: York Daily News about behind the scenes about how they 679 00:36:24,880 --> 00:36:28,840 Speaker 1: were trying to hire Cliff Kingsbury in a meeting weeks 680 00:36:28,920 --> 00:36:33,279 Speaker 1: before Todd Bowles was fired. And that's that's not right 681 00:36:33,800 --> 00:36:38,200 Speaker 1: that the owner Christopher Johnson, while his brothers in the 682 00:36:38,320 --> 00:36:41,759 Speaker 1: United Kingdom is an ambassador Woody, that he's just making 683 00:36:41,800 --> 00:36:44,839 Speaker 1: a mockery out of it. Well, how about Kingsbury though, 684 00:36:45,640 --> 00:36:47,840 Speaker 1: I mean trying to hire talking about talking to his 685 00:36:47,920 --> 00:36:51,200 Speaker 1: agent about hiring him right after he'd been fired by Tech, 686 00:36:51,680 --> 00:36:53,560 Speaker 1: right after he'd been fired by Tech, And that word 687 00:36:53,640 --> 00:36:56,000 Speaker 1: must have gotten it so he was a hot property 688 00:36:56,560 --> 00:37:00,719 Speaker 1: prospect of the NFL before even taking the USC offensive 689 00:37:00,840 --> 00:37:03,200 Speaker 1: coordinator job. He's surprised they didn't wait. I mean, I 690 00:37:03,280 --> 00:37:05,200 Speaker 1: know he eventually got the job with the Cardinals anyway, 691 00:37:05,960 --> 00:37:08,359 Speaker 1: but he made that deal with USC, probably thinking when 692 00:37:08,400 --> 00:37:11,560 Speaker 1: what if something comes up? If he had anybody's seriously 693 00:37:11,640 --> 00:37:14,279 Speaker 1: interest in anymy whenever would have taken that. And there 694 00:37:14,360 --> 00:37:16,120 Speaker 1: was a lot of talk teams were interested in him 695 00:37:16,160 --> 00:37:19,640 Speaker 1: his offensive coordinating offensive coordinator. Yeah, but he wouldn't surprise 696 00:37:19,719 --> 00:37:22,600 Speaker 1: me if the Jets were. According to Munishment and the 697 00:37:23,480 --> 00:37:26,080 Speaker 1: Daily News, his agent Eric Burkhard, as well as Mike 698 00:37:26,200 --> 00:37:31,200 Speaker 1: mccagne and Brian Heimerdinger, mccagne's right in man, Christopher Johnson, 699 00:37:31,760 --> 00:37:34,759 Speaker 1: they were in the meeting trying to hire Kingsbury, who 700 00:37:34,880 --> 00:37:38,040 Speaker 1: was not there. So they're so dysfunctional right now. It's 701 00:37:38,080 --> 00:37:41,160 Speaker 1: too bad because mccagne made some good moves the last 702 00:37:41,200 --> 00:37:44,040 Speaker 1: two years and personnel, and Adam Gas is going to 703 00:37:44,120 --> 00:37:47,279 Speaker 1: reap the benefits unless he's just as awful. I like 704 00:37:47,440 --> 00:37:50,000 Speaker 1: how he hides his eyes from the cameras. Now he 705 00:37:50,239 --> 00:37:52,239 Speaker 1: pulls the hat down low. He doesn't want to see 706 00:37:52,280 --> 00:37:53,680 Speaker 1: his eyes On the back page in the New York 707 00:37:53,760 --> 00:37:56,360 Speaker 1: Post anymore. So let's go ahead and hide that stuff. 708 00:37:56,560 --> 00:37:59,839 Speaker 1: All right, Labor talks John, there is talk that they're 709 00:37:59,840 --> 00:38:02,920 Speaker 1: going well. Then the union it leaks out that they 710 00:38:03,000 --> 00:38:05,440 Speaker 1: told players to save a year selling, which probable they 711 00:38:05,520 --> 00:38:09,879 Speaker 1: do every time there's a negotiation. It sounded so familiar 712 00:38:09,920 --> 00:38:11,839 Speaker 1: to me. It goes back to nineteen eighty two when 713 00:38:11,840 --> 00:38:16,080 Speaker 1: they had that nine game season. There's one in seventy seven. 714 00:38:16,200 --> 00:38:19,200 Speaker 1: So here's the deal about the eighteen game schedule. How 715 00:38:19,239 --> 00:38:21,439 Speaker 1: can you play an eighteen game schedule when you're worried 716 00:38:21,440 --> 00:38:24,239 Speaker 1: about a player of help? And well, what if you 717 00:38:24,360 --> 00:38:27,520 Speaker 1: drop some preseasons? What they don't play in the preseason. 718 00:38:28,320 --> 00:38:30,480 Speaker 1: They go from not for having a cup of coffee 719 00:38:30,520 --> 00:38:32,960 Speaker 1: in the preseason to play in an entire game. That's 720 00:38:33,000 --> 00:38:36,160 Speaker 1: not a good. Now, you give enough money players played 721 00:38:36,680 --> 00:38:39,120 Speaker 1: twenty games with ideas to put more money in the 722 00:38:39,239 --> 00:38:42,440 Speaker 1: owner's bank account, not the players. Well, you could do both. 723 00:38:42,520 --> 00:38:44,839 Speaker 1: Hang out a second though, Just hypothetically, let's say, yeah, 724 00:38:44,840 --> 00:38:47,080 Speaker 1: you're making more money as owners, but you're making more 725 00:38:47,120 --> 00:38:49,240 Speaker 1: money as players because you're gonna get fifty five percent 726 00:38:49,360 --> 00:38:52,120 Speaker 1: or so up the gross and you could expand the 727 00:38:52,200 --> 00:38:55,400 Speaker 1: rosters and you have to if you're gonna expand the rosters. 728 00:38:55,560 --> 00:38:58,439 Speaker 1: Quarterbacks are bad enough now when the starters get hurt, 729 00:38:59,600 --> 00:39:04,759 Speaker 1: I think that you would have to have more scrimmages, 730 00:39:04,880 --> 00:39:08,840 Speaker 1: joint practices, you would have to have coaches would have 731 00:39:08,960 --> 00:39:11,279 Speaker 1: to have more control over the players in the offseason. 732 00:39:11,840 --> 00:39:14,080 Speaker 1: Players couldn't have all this time off, You couldn't have 733 00:39:14,239 --> 00:39:17,720 Speaker 1: no pads, So I think it would become more physical. 734 00:39:17,800 --> 00:39:22,040 Speaker 1: What I'd think is, okay, okay, boys, we want you 735 00:39:22,120 --> 00:39:24,080 Speaker 1: to play teen games. I all know. We don't want 736 00:39:24,120 --> 00:39:27,600 Speaker 1: to do that. We want to smoke marijuana for medicinal purposes. 737 00:39:27,719 --> 00:39:31,960 Speaker 1: Oh boy, you got us over barrel. Okay, after a 738 00:39:32,080 --> 00:39:35,880 Speaker 1: lot of consternation and hand ringing, we won't do the 739 00:39:36,000 --> 00:39:39,720 Speaker 1: eighteen games and will let you smoke pot for purely 740 00:39:39,840 --> 00:39:42,600 Speaker 1: medicinal purposes. And every player on the roster are getting 741 00:39:42,600 --> 00:39:45,279 Speaker 1: got prescription. I'm just but here's what we want, and 742 00:39:45,560 --> 00:39:47,719 Speaker 1: it's a lot of money. They give up and they'll 743 00:39:47,760 --> 00:39:50,080 Speaker 1: get it, and the owners will laugh all the way 744 00:39:50,120 --> 00:39:53,400 Speaker 1: to the bank. But you don't think eighteen games really happens. No, 745 00:39:53,719 --> 00:39:58,040 Speaker 1: I just don't. It's it's it's um. When you're so 746 00:39:58,239 --> 00:40:01,719 Speaker 1: worried about injuries, why would you expose them to injuries more. 747 00:40:02,160 --> 00:40:05,400 Speaker 1: There's talk about if the wint keen games giving players 748 00:40:05,440 --> 00:40:08,880 Speaker 1: two games a year off, so do give it to 749 00:40:08,960 --> 00:40:11,279 Speaker 1: them first game off, have a second bye. Way they 750 00:40:11,360 --> 00:40:14,320 Speaker 1: gotta sit and then you're gonna be playing in the March. 751 00:40:15,080 --> 00:40:17,960 Speaker 1: Oh that and a player is not gonna like to sit. 752 00:40:19,200 --> 00:40:22,719 Speaker 1: And then Aaron Wilson I were doing a podcast day 753 00:40:22,719 --> 00:40:24,919 Speaker 1: and he said, starts the season in August, and I said, 754 00:40:25,320 --> 00:40:28,160 Speaker 1: they will not play again on Labor Day. Why is that? 755 00:40:28,360 --> 00:40:31,200 Speaker 1: Because the TV ratings were awful. They used to start 756 00:40:31,239 --> 00:40:34,600 Speaker 1: on Labor Day and no matter what happened, they started 757 00:40:34,680 --> 00:40:38,239 Speaker 1: behind on the ratings. All NFL ratings are down. They 758 00:40:38,280 --> 00:40:40,799 Speaker 1: were this and then it'd take them weeks to catch up. 759 00:40:41,280 --> 00:40:45,040 Speaker 1: And they realized because Labor Day's a holiday, that's probably 760 00:40:45,040 --> 00:40:46,879 Speaker 1: the only day of the year people want, the only 761 00:40:46,960 --> 00:40:50,520 Speaker 1: weekend people don't want to watch the NFL. Isn't that interesting? 762 00:40:50,920 --> 00:40:54,239 Speaker 1: So and so what if you played into late February? 763 00:40:54,680 --> 00:40:57,960 Speaker 1: Who cares? It's winner and football's and winter sport it is. 764 00:40:58,080 --> 00:41:01,520 Speaker 1: Now you're playing these AFC and championship games in very 765 00:41:01,600 --> 00:41:04,440 Speaker 1: cold conditions. Let me ask you this, what comes? First 766 00:41:04,520 --> 00:41:08,040 Speaker 1: eighteen games schedule or expansion to London. Oh, that's a 767 00:41:08,080 --> 00:41:11,280 Speaker 1: good question. I saw one scenario that had an NFL 768 00:41:11,400 --> 00:41:14,880 Speaker 1: team housed in London, but you'd come here and practice 769 00:41:15,040 --> 00:41:17,359 Speaker 1: for a while, maybe two three weeks, play a few 770 00:41:17,440 --> 00:41:19,799 Speaker 1: games here, then go back over there. If you think 771 00:41:19,840 --> 00:41:22,000 Speaker 1: about it, you have to stage eight games in London. 772 00:41:22,760 --> 00:41:26,000 Speaker 1: That would be great for the London fans. Eight teams 773 00:41:26,080 --> 00:41:29,239 Speaker 1: going over there to play. That's tough. I don't know. 774 00:41:29,600 --> 00:41:32,200 Speaker 1: I think it's a really tough deal. I think that 775 00:41:32,560 --> 00:41:35,080 Speaker 1: that is less likely than eighteen games. And as I 776 00:41:35,200 --> 00:41:37,320 Speaker 1: say that, I want to say London is more likely. 777 00:41:37,480 --> 00:41:39,839 Speaker 1: It's tough either way. We'll see how it goes. John, 778 00:41:39,880 --> 00:41:41,520 Speaker 1: what do you have going out of the chronicle? Aaron 779 00:41:41,560 --> 00:41:45,880 Speaker 1: Wilson and I have our weekly podcast. We've got several 780 00:41:45,960 --> 00:41:49,759 Speaker 1: stories each. I'm writing Sunday about Jonathan Joseph and his 781 00:41:49,880 --> 00:41:52,440 Speaker 1: influence on all the new players, not just the rookies, 782 00:41:52,480 --> 00:41:57,280 Speaker 1: but the vets in the rebuilt secondary. And I'm writing 783 00:41:57,320 --> 00:42:02,320 Speaker 1: about Collie Kolanie whatever else his first name is wearing 784 00:42:03,120 --> 00:42:05,360 Speaker 1: for Monday, and then we'll be back here Tuesday with 785 00:42:05,600 --> 00:42:09,279 Speaker 1: the last ota that the media is able to watch. John, 786 00:42:09,360 --> 00:42:11,439 Speaker 1: thanks a lot for joining us. Thank you very much, Mark, 787 00:42:11,640 --> 00:42:14,440 Speaker 1: that's the General, John McClain. Tomorrow night, we'll be back 788 00:42:14,520 --> 00:42:17,520 Speaker 1: on John Harris and I usher you into the weekend, 789 00:42:17,560 --> 00:42:20,279 Speaker 1: and don't forget about Texans three sixty Saturday night, eleven 790 00:42:20,280 --> 00:42:25,040 Speaker 1: o'clock at ABC thirteen with Sean Pendergast guesting with Drew Doherty. 791 00:42:25,200 --> 00:42:27,920 Speaker 1: Go to Houston Texas dot com for videos, articles, photos, 792 00:42:27,960 --> 00:42:30,640 Speaker 1: everything about your favorite football team. Have a great night 793 00:42:30,760 --> 00:42:31,800 Speaker 1: and go Texans.