WEBVTT - Two Scandal Ridden Congressman Resign On Same Day, What Happens Now?

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<v Speaker 1>Hey, folks, it is Tuesday, April fourteenth, and on the

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<v Speaker 1>day that Congress came back from recess, not one but

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<v Speaker 1>two members of the House of Representatives said they would

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<v Speaker 1>be resigning. These two guys just happy to be accused

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<v Speaker 1>of behaving pretty badly. One of them is even possibly

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<v Speaker 1>facing a criminal charge. And with that, welcome to this

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<v Speaker 1>episode of Amy and TJ.

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<v Speaker 2>Well.

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<v Speaker 1>These things sure developed quickly, Robes. Oh yeah, there's a shutdown,

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<v Speaker 1>by the way, but so much of the focus of

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<v Speaker 1>them finally coming back has to do with two members

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<v Speaker 1>that they were trying to get out of there.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah. I can't even think of the last time I've

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<v Speaker 3>remembered in this big of a headline having at least

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<v Speaker 3>even one member of Congress resigning, But to have two

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<v Speaker 3>in the same day, and two who have been embattled,

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<v Speaker 3>I guess would be perhaps the best way.

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<v Speaker 4>To put it.

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<v Speaker 3>Of course, we're talking about California Congressman Eric Swallwell and

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<v Speaker 3>Exis Congressman Tony Gonzalez. Both of their names have let's

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<v Speaker 3>just say, been in the headlines lately.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, they've been making headlines on their own before

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<v Speaker 1>this latest headline about resignation. Of course, we'll get into

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<v Speaker 1>what the politics of this means, and we'll get into

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<v Speaker 1>some of the details of Robes, their announcements, what was

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<v Speaker 1>in there, and in particular what was not coming up

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<v Speaker 1>in just a moment. But yes, both of these men,

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<v Speaker 1>which one you want to start with Gonzales a swallow.

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<v Speaker 3>Let's let's swall well, because I would say he has

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<v Speaker 3>been the bigger, yes, the most recent and the bigger

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<v Speaker 3>headline of them all.

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<v Speaker 1>So here we go from last Thursday to Monday. What

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<v Speaker 1>happened to this guy is that he went from a

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<v Speaker 1>front runner for the Democratic to be governor of California.

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<v Speaker 1>He went from a Democratic front runner in that race

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<v Speaker 1>to here we are on Monday. Robes, he is out

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<v Speaker 1>of that race. He is going to be out of

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<v Speaker 1>Congress and facing a criminal investigation. We have seen some

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<v Speaker 1>falls from Grace before. This was an absolute nosedive, the

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<v Speaker 1>likes of which Robes of all the ones we've seen,

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<v Speaker 1>you can go through Diddy and Weinstein and stuff we've

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<v Speaker 1>seen that happened over time. Robes, this was immediate like

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<v Speaker 1>we've quite never seen. And so I guess we shouldn't

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<v Speaker 1>be surprised that yesterday we got the announcement that he

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<v Speaker 1>was going to be leaving Congress.

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<v Speaker 3>It didn't seem like there was any other option. Yes,

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<v Speaker 3>to your point, this was swift and severe to go

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<v Speaker 3>from Thursday to Monday, that short of a period of time,

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<v Speaker 3>to go from having one job, possibly having one of

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<v Speaker 3>the biggest jobs in politics, governor of California, to literally

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<v Speaker 3>having nothing and perhaps having your own freedom hanging in

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<v Speaker 3>the balance with criminal investigation into rape charges. I mean,

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<v Speaker 3>these are serious allegations. And it happened just before six

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<v Speaker 3>pm yesterday we finally got the official word from Eric

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<v Speaker 3>Swalwell that he in fact was leaving Congress.

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<v Speaker 1>And let's put this together now, since since Friday, this

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<v Speaker 1>would be his third statement.

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<v Speaker 4>And they've changed in significant ways, just a little.

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<v Speaker 1>The first one was the video defending himself. The next

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<v Speaker 1>one was saying I am getting out of the race

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<v Speaker 1>for governor of California. And this is his third one

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<v Speaker 1>now saying he's leaving Congress.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, he went from defiant to apologetic to really really apologetic.

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<v Speaker 4>I mean, that's kind of what the through line has been.

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<v Speaker 3>But this was his official announcement on X I am

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<v Speaker 3>deeply sorry to my family, staff and constituents. For mistakes

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<v Speaker 3>in judgment I've made in my past. I will fight

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<v Speaker 3>the serious false allegation made against me. However, I must

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<v Speaker 3>take responsibility and ownership for the mistakes I did make.

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<v Speaker 3>I am aware of efforts to bring an immediate expulsion

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<v Speaker 3>vote against me and other members. Expelling anyone in Congress

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<v Speaker 3>without due process within days of an allegation being made

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<v Speaker 3>is wrong. But it's also wrong for my constituents to

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<v Speaker 3>have me just from my duties. Therefore, I plan to

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<v Speaker 3>resign my seat in Congress. We don't know when he's

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<v Speaker 3>going to step down, but he did say in that statement.

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<v Speaker 3>He went on to say that he's going to work

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<v Speaker 3>with his staff to ensure that his staff can serve

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<v Speaker 3>the needs of the good people of the fourteenth Congressional District.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, I think he's right on that point about expulsion.

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<v Speaker 1>To do so, to kick them out without due process

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<v Speaker 1>is probably that that's a fair thing he said. Why

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<v Speaker 1>he felt the need to say it, I don't know,

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<v Speaker 1>but he said it. He's right, and he said it.

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<v Speaker 2>I love that.

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<v Speaker 1>He said right after that it's also wrong for me

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<v Speaker 1>to stick around and when I'm distracted, So he's probably

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<v Speaker 1>right on both counts. But Robes, an effort was potentially underway.

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<v Speaker 1>They had launched an investigation in the House and the

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<v Speaker 1>Ethics Committee of him. There's a criminal investigation going on

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<v Speaker 1>of him. He's going to be fighting all of this stuff.

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<v Speaker 1>There's no way he can continue to serve. So, like

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<v Speaker 1>you said, Robes, the writing was on the wall. What

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<v Speaker 1>is not so clear is when he is going to

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<v Speaker 1>give up this seat.

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<v Speaker 4>That's right.

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<v Speaker 3>There is actually a little bit of a process that

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<v Speaker 3>has to take place.

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<v Speaker 2>Crazy the clock is taken.

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<v Speaker 3>Yes, he has to submit a letter to the House Speaker,

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<v Speaker 3>Mike Johnson, and then the House Clerk will read aloud

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<v Speaker 3>his letter of resignation on the floor when chamber is

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<v Speaker 3>in session. Look, the Chamber is officially in session today.

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<v Speaker 3>So could it happen as early as today. Some folks

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<v Speaker 3>say possibly, but it's unclear on his timing. But that

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<v Speaker 3>all has to formally take place before his resignation is accepted.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh, but then they are on a clock.

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<v Speaker 1>In California, there are specific rules and dates of when

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<v Speaker 1>you can have a special election to fill the seat,

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<v Speaker 1>and if you don't have that by a certain time,

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<v Speaker 1>it moves down to the election and all these things

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<v Speaker 1>have to happen, and Gavin Newsom's going to be involved

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<v Speaker 1>in this mess now. So the thing is, I don't

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<v Speaker 1>know who you've read, Robes. It might be expecting his

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<v Speaker 1>resignation anytime soon. But I bet there are people now

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<v Speaker 1>playing a little chicken with the numbers in that we

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<v Speaker 1>can't have him resign before Tony gunn Zales resigns because

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<v Speaker 1>that's gonna mess with the numbers between Democrats and Republicans. Rodes,

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<v Speaker 1>there is some behind. I know what's supposed to be

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<v Speaker 1>paramount here.

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<v Speaker 2>Number one.

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<v Speaker 1>Top of everybody's mind should be the survivors, the criminal investigation,

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<v Speaker 1>making sure that part is taken care of. But man,

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<v Speaker 1>there is some politics and going in to these resignations.

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<v Speaker 3>Politics Trump's any sort of victims' rights. We've seen that

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<v Speaker 3>happen time and time again, from Jeffrey Epstein to you

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<v Speaker 3>name it. But yes, Governor Newsom is actually the one

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<v Speaker 3>who will decide whether or not there will be a

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<v Speaker 3>special election to replace soul Well and whether or not

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<v Speaker 3>that would happen if it happens at all before the

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<v Speaker 3>midterm elections. So yes, he's he's got to be coordinating with.

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<v Speaker 3>I don't even know who to try and figure this

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<v Speaker 3>mess out.

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<v Speaker 1>They're all figuring out because right robes, he can't fill

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<v Speaker 1>a seat or do anything if a seat isn't open,

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<v Speaker 1>so he can't start his process yet. But you bet

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<v Speaker 1>of lose Swallow's campaign or swallowll the governor's office and

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<v Speaker 1>Hakeem Jeffrey's.

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<v Speaker 3>Office, they're all working it out the conversation, Yes, because look,

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<v Speaker 3>even though so we know that on Monday, the House

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<v Speaker 3>Ethics Committee officially said it was launching this probe into Swallwell,

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<v Speaker 3>obviously that ends when he resigns, because you can only

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<v Speaker 3>investigate a sitting member of Congress. But we point out

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<v Speaker 3>he's still facing that criminal investigation that's going on in

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<v Speaker 3>Manhattan based on his former staffers allegations that she was

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<v Speaker 3>raped by him in a Manhattan hotel room in twenty

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<v Speaker 3>twenty four.

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<v Speaker 4>He's got this DHS probe.

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<v Speaker 3>Against him where they're looking into his nanny's legal status.

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<v Speaker 3>She's a Brazilian national. And then we have other women

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<v Speaker 3>now coming forward. The Manhattan DA's office actually put out

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<v Speaker 3>an ask hey, if anyone else has had any issues

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<v Speaker 3>with this guy, come tell us about it. There's even

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<v Speaker 3>a press conference today in California with another woman who's

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<v Speaker 3>coming forward who says she has allegations of serious sexual

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<v Speaker 3>misconduct by Swallwell.

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<v Speaker 1>So I haven't how many details have they given. I

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<v Speaker 1>haven't looked into that one. Have they said much yet?

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<v Speaker 3>They have not.

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<v Speaker 4>They're actually holding it.

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<v Speaker 3>Look Lisa Bloom, who is Gloria Alred's daughter, and this

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<v Speaker 3>is the mother daughter team who has for decades now

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<v Speaker 3>been the face of a lot of female victims when

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<v Speaker 3>it comes to sexual assault, So she knows this drill.

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<v Speaker 3>So yeah, she's piqued interest, but hasn't given I say,

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<v Speaker 3>Lisa Bloom hasn't given much details, just that this other

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<v Speaker 3>woman has serious sexual misconduct allegations that have not yet

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<v Speaker 3>been made public. And so nine thirty am Pacific time

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<v Speaker 3>in Beverly Hills, we're going to hear from this other

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<v Speaker 3>woman who claims to have some serious allegations.

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<v Speaker 4>So it's far from over for Swalwell.

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<v Speaker 3>And look, he had no choice but to resign, it seems,

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<v Speaker 3>with everything that's swirling around him.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, this was the way to go. I mean, it's

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<v Speaker 1>just I mean, don't get this is an allegation. It's

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<v Speaker 1>a very serious allegation. But I guess that there was

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<v Speaker 1>a one off allegation. It's one thing, but there's this

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<v Speaker 1>drum beat of you can't have a number of women

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<v Speaker 1>come forward suggesting the same type of Now you've been labeled.

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<v Speaker 1>It's a pattern, it's a thing, and it's not just

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<v Speaker 1>he's cheating on his wife. This is not the kind

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<v Speaker 1>of stuff we're talking about. We're talking about some unwanted behavior,

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<v Speaker 1>criminal behavior.

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<v Speaker 2>You can't survive.

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<v Speaker 4>That you cannot.

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<v Speaker 3>And someone else who could not survive his scandal Congressman

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<v Speaker 3>Tony Gonzalez, although his timeline took much much longer than

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<v Speaker 3>swal Wells won.

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<v Speaker 4>We come back.

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<v Speaker 3>We will tell you about Congressman Gonzalez's decision to resign

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<v Speaker 3>and what may happen next for him. Welcome back, everyone

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<v Speaker 3>to this episode of Amy and TG where we have

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<v Speaker 3>not one, but two congressmen resigning from their positions, and

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<v Speaker 3>it just so happens one is a Republican and one

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<v Speaker 3>is a Democrat, and so well, isn't that convenient for

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<v Speaker 3>folks who were concerned about a potential imbalance in Congress

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<v Speaker 3>if only one party lost a seat versus the other.

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<v Speaker 3>With margins as tight as they are, it.

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<v Speaker 1>Keeps them from having to set off an expulsion race. Right,

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<v Speaker 1>you kick out one of ours, We're going to try

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<v Speaker 1>to kick out one of yours. Both of them have

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<v Speaker 1>decided now they are going to leave Congress. The win

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<v Speaker 1>is a big deal. The win you were about to

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<v Speaker 1>talk about Tony Gonzalez, now withes Tony Gonzalez. Remember he

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<v Speaker 1>didn't even want to get out of his primary race. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>he stayed in there when these accusations were coming up.

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<v Speaker 3>He denied, denied, denied for quite some time that he

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<v Speaker 3>even had any kind of relationship with this staffer. And

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<v Speaker 3>just to get you caught up with Tony Gonzalez, his

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<v Speaker 3>situation is very dark. So he eventually admitted to having

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<v Speaker 3>an affair with a female staffer of his who was married.

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<v Speaker 3>Her husband had been speaking out quite a bit, was

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<v Speaker 3>even threatening to reveal more text messages if Representative Gonzalez

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<v Speaker 3>didn't finally admit to this affair. But unfortunately this had

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<v Speaker 3>a really dark, horrific ending. She ended up dying by suicide.

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<v Speaker 3>And the way she died by suicide, she set herself

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<v Speaker 3>on fire. This was a huge story, and to have

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<v Speaker 3>it come back to a member of Congress who she

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<v Speaker 3>was having an affair with I mean, this is just

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<v Speaker 3>awful and it's surprising he survived as long as he did.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, he stayed in that primary. And like you said,

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<v Speaker 1>I deny. He finally admitted. Did he admit right before?

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<v Speaker 1>Right after he went before? It was right before he

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<v Speaker 1>went before voters.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>I can see him sitting in that desk and he

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<v Speaker 1>did this interview and she came out and said, yes,

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<v Speaker 1>he behaved appropriately and was hoping the voters were going

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<v Speaker 1>to forgive him.

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<v Speaker 2>They did not.

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<v Speaker 1>Now he has stuck around though robes. That was last

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<v Speaker 1>When did that happen?

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<v Speaker 4>Oh, she died over a year. It was last fall.

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<v Speaker 1>So this has been talked about at least for a

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<v Speaker 1>little while, but he hasn't given any indication even after

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<v Speaker 1>he lost the race that he was going to be

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<v Speaker 1>leaving Congress.

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<v Speaker 3>No, he dropped his bid for reelection last month, and

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<v Speaker 3>again it took him quite some time. He dragged his

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<v Speaker 3>feet on that. He was really trying to stay in.

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<v Speaker 3>But we finally heard from him on x yesterday. This

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<v Speaker 3>is what he put out as his official statement. There

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<v Speaker 3>is a season for everything, and God has a plan

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<v Speaker 3>for us all. When Congress returns tomorrow, I will file

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<v Speaker 3>my retirement from office. It has been my privilege to

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<v Speaker 3>serve the great people of Texas. So by that announcement,

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<v Speaker 3>he is claiming that that would mean today, according to

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<v Speaker 3>this statement, he would be filing his retirement.

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<v Speaker 2>What does that mean, Sweetness, I don't know.

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<v Speaker 3>I guess this would be the moment where he would

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<v Speaker 3>give that letter of resignation.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, my dad filed his retirement months ago, and he's

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<v Speaker 1>going to be on the job until June. So what

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<v Speaker 1>I'm saying is I thought that was interesting language. He's

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<v Speaker 1>not resigning from Congress. He is filing for retirement. Now

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<v Speaker 1>what does that mean, Robes, I actually do not know.

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<v Speaker 1>I haven't seen anybody break down, but he used a

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<v Speaker 1>very different set of words than Swallowell did resigning retiring.

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<v Speaker 1>There's got to be a reason for that distinction.

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<v Speaker 3>The coordination too, It's hard to imagine that this hasn't

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<v Speaker 3>all been at least attempted to be pre negotiated, because

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<v Speaker 3>this could and has the potential for being an incredible

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<v Speaker 3>mass just in terms of each party wanting to have

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<v Speaker 3>or retain the same amount of votes for the same

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<v Speaker 3>position of power. This is a tough tough spot in

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<v Speaker 3>terms of the timing though it was interesting. It ended

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<v Speaker 3>up being because we had heard from Representative Anna Paulina

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<v Speaker 3>Luna from Florida, who said she was gonna put or

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<v Speaker 3>at least introduce a resolution to expel both Gonzales and Swollwell.

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<v Speaker 3>She was joined by Democrat Teresa Fernandez. That would have

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<v Speaker 3>potentially triggered an expulsion vote as early as Wednesday. So

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<v Speaker 3>these guys, it seems like they might have wanted to

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<v Speaker 3>get ahead of any of that. That would never look good,

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<v Speaker 3>and certainly we heard Twilwell talk about his opinion about

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<v Speaker 3>those potential votes, because that does create a slippery slope.

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<v Speaker 2>They don't like.

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<v Speaker 1>This because a lot of them, you could argue, in

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<v Speaker 1>this era of social media robes any little thing. If

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<v Speaker 1>you accidentally cut a old lady off in traffic, they

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<v Speaker 1>could post that video and all of a sudden, you

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<v Speaker 1>are an elderly hater who does not deserve to represent

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<v Speaker 1>the people of the Great State of Blank and they

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<v Speaker 1>try to get you out. It's that type of thing.

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<v Speaker 1>They don't want to be tiptoeing around this. We can

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<v Speaker 1>expel Wait a minute, we can get expelled for having

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<v Speaker 1>an affair whoa.

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<v Speaker 4>Well, that would be interesting wouldn't it.

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<v Speaker 2>WHOA.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, so that's why this might not have but they are.

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<v Speaker 1>There are some that are threatening Robes. Some members of

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<v Speaker 1>Congress are giving them a deadline that you're going to

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<v Speaker 1>have to this needs to say effective immediately.

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<v Speaker 2>We need to know or we're moving.

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<v Speaker 1>Forward with the expelsion expulsion vote.

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<v Speaker 2>That ain't that ain't bad?

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<v Speaker 3>Well, I agree, and there should be some clarity and

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<v Speaker 3>maybe they will find some. You know, I have faith

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<v Speaker 3>in our lawmakers and in Congress to come to a

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<v Speaker 3>decision and make an announcement and have it be clear

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<v Speaker 3>and defective immediately and enforceable and all those things that

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<v Speaker 3>we expect from our leaders are elected leaders.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, the shutdowns of what sixty days.

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<v Speaker 4>Now, we're not even talking about.

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<v Speaker 1>Not even the basic function of government is not happening.

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<v Speaker 1>We have been in a shutdown for sixty days now,

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<v Speaker 1>and we are at war, and we are kicking people

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<v Speaker 1>out of Congress and we are doing everything else. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>we want to hop on and give you all this

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<v Speaker 1>update because it's an extraordinary one to get these two

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<v Speaker 1>on the same day. But the story does not end.

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<v Speaker 1>Robes with their announcements. Still some questions about when they

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<v Speaker 1>might actually leave Congress. We always appreciate you spending some

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<v Speaker 1>time with us, so my dear Amy Robot.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm TJ.

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<v Speaker 1>Holmes.

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<v Speaker 2>We will talk to y'll soon