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Speaker 1: This is the almost famous podcast with her radio We're back. Welcome, Well,

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Speaker 1: most famous past are here in the house. I am awesome.

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Speaker 1: How are you t Bone? I think I'm gonna call

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Speaker 1: you t Bone today. So I had to tell you

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Speaker 1: this story. I was, I like a good thing myself.

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Speaker 1: So I don't know if you remember the Seinfeld episode

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Speaker 1: when George Costanzas tries to give himself a nickname and

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Speaker 1: he he just randomly pulls out T Bone. So I

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Speaker 1: was reminded of this this weekend. Um I was. I

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Speaker 1: was traveling this weekend and I flew to d C.

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Speaker 1: And I went to um, a little town in West Virginia,

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Speaker 1: and I met this guy. His name was Ralph, and

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Speaker 1: Ralph seemed like a very nice guy, and I was

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Speaker 1: my my little team of people. We were jokingly calling

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Speaker 1: him Rafe, like it was like a French thing, like

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Speaker 1: we're like, oh, bon Rafe, but his name is Ralph.

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Speaker 1: And he's like, uh, is that my nickname? You guys

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Speaker 1: gonna call me Rafe? And I said, yeah, you know,

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Speaker 1: we're thinking, we're we're trying to work out some good

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Speaker 1: nicknames for you. I'm thinking Rafe. He goes, wow. I

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Speaker 1: I tried I tried to give myself a nickname many

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Speaker 1: years back, and I, uh, he goes, I was just

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Speaker 1: when my father passed away. I thought, okay, now is

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Speaker 1: my time to shake up my name. I don't want

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Speaker 1: to be named Ralph anymore. I go, so, what'd you

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Speaker 1: go for? He said? I went, and this man is

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Speaker 1: probably I want to say, mid fifties, you know, maybe

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Speaker 1: early sixties. He goes, I changed it up to Skitch.

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Speaker 1: And I go, you changed your name to Skitch. He goes, yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 1: I sure did. I said, uh, did you change it

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Speaker 1: on your driver's license? He goes, no, but I did?

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Speaker 1: Uh you know I was going to He goes, but

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Speaker 1: I did. Put Yeah, he gave himself a personalized license

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Speaker 1: plate Sketch And uh, you know, so what he what

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Speaker 1: are you doing? I don't know, but there's a really weird,

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Speaker 1: little ironic twist to this. So he's like, as I

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Speaker 1: started calling him Sketch, I'm like, I love it, man, Sketch.

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Speaker 1: I like you, Sketch. You're a good guy, Sketch. And

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Speaker 1: he's like, yeah, he said, my family made so much

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Speaker 1: fun of me. I couldn't take the mockery. So I

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Speaker 1: just went back to being called Ralph, and I'm well,

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Speaker 1: how did you get them to, you know, to know that, hey,

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Speaker 1: moving forward, I'm skitch? He goes, He goes, you know,

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Speaker 1: I brought it up at a family family union. I said, hey,

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Speaker 1: why I got everybody here. I just want to let

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Speaker 1: you all know I'm I'm done with Ralph. I'd like

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Speaker 1: to now be move moving forward. Called skitch. I'm like, yeah,

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Speaker 1: I go, you know what you should have done? I go,

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Speaker 1: because this would have helped you. I'm like, if I

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Speaker 1: if you ever watched Seinfeld, He's like, no, I never watched.

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Speaker 1: Like a man, you should have watched it, because here's

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Speaker 1: what would have helped you. You you get someone else

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Speaker 1: to call you that, so like you get like you

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Speaker 1: pay your cousin twenty bucks to walk up and go,

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Speaker 1: what's our skitch? Now everyone'll start calling a skin. I'm like,

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Speaker 1: you tried to go. I tried, and I this is

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Speaker 1: a Castanza reference, but I'm like I tried nicknaming myself

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Speaker 1: t Bone once and no one you know, never caught on.

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Speaker 1: And he's like, well it doesn't make any sense. Your

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Speaker 1: name is Bob, why would you be T Bone? And

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Speaker 1: I'm like, Bro, your skitch? I mean, are we really

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Speaker 1: doing this right now? But instead I go, you know what,

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Speaker 1: You're right, that's probably why I didn't catch on and

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Speaker 1: you could be skitch and I'll never I'll just never

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Speaker 1: be t Bone. I guess I can call you bone together.

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Speaker 1: Yeah all day. I am happy, so happy to talk

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Speaker 1: to you today because I have to tell you I

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Speaker 1: am so I am dragging. I had Max, Max, my

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Speaker 1: baby boy, graduated from eighth grade last night, and my gosh,

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Speaker 1: little continuation ceremony continuation for those out there who don't know.

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Speaker 1: People were like, well, what's continuation, Um, it's just graduation

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Speaker 1: since it's not high school graduation or college continuation. And

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Speaker 1: we like kind of partied a little bit, not not

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Speaker 1: I cried everything. So I can only imagine eighth grade graduation.

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Speaker 1: I'll be uh, I'll be a sad sack of tears.

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Speaker 1: There's no question my baby. Isn't it crazy? We have

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Speaker 1: known each other for so long, long before you had children,

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Speaker 1: and I just think it's bananas that you have an

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Speaker 1: you have a fifteen year old almost? Yes? When does

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Speaker 1: he start drivers at and stuff like that? Does that

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Speaker 1: appointment for him to get his permit on his birthday,

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Speaker 1: which is July, same day as Chris Harrison. Yes, obviously

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Speaker 1: Chris Harrison will not be getting his first license, he's

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Speaker 1: a little bit older than that. But but Max will

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Speaker 1: be getting his permit. And at this party we were at,

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Speaker 1: life lesson, Like I am totally going to take you

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Speaker 1: up on that, because I learned how to drive on

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Speaker 1: a stick? Did you, like, do people do that these days?

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Speaker 1: Are there even sticks still out there besides jeeps? You know,

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Speaker 1: don't know. But I mean, like, I know, my dad,

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Speaker 1: My dad was really insistent upon my sister and I

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Speaker 1: we both learned how to stick. My first car was

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Speaker 1: Oh m G. Do people still say that? So before

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Speaker 1: was not yet, And Bob was like, I don't think

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Speaker 1: the kids stay duck. I don't think they say that anymore.

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Speaker 1: Do they still do? They say? O MG? So I know,

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Speaker 1: you know what, We're just going to keep doing it

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Speaker 1: I die probably all out of school. So my had

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Speaker 1: this really adorable babysitter. She's, uh what is she a

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Speaker 1: know we always we're always looking for a throwback angle, right, Well,

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Speaker 1: you owning owning that character, I guess, and I I

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Speaker 1: feel like we met maybe at one of these bachelor reunions. Possibly, um,

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Speaker 1: out by Loboso Umboo the first time. Just kidding, Zobo.

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Speaker 1: If you're listening to Lozobo, Prince Lezobo, well let's bring

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Speaker 1: Hayden and West lives in Austin. He's a jam and musician.

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Speaker 1: He brought his guitar. I remember in the intro Chris

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Speaker 1: I'm not gonna lie. I mean my heart was pounding

423
00:22:48,840 --> 00:22:52,080
Speaker 1: nine into nothing. I was like, like going to jail

424
00:22:52,080 --> 00:22:54,040
Speaker 1: in Mexico. Yeah, I'm sure at least I'll get a

425
00:22:54,040 --> 00:22:58,640
Speaker 1: phone call something happen. Oh my god, that is awesome.

426
00:22:58,680 --> 00:23:00,400
Speaker 1: That's the kind of stuff you don't see the show.

427
00:23:00,440 --> 00:23:07,520
Speaker 1: I love that. Thank you well Man. It was great

428
00:23:07,560 --> 00:23:09,880
Speaker 1: having you on wast Thanks for joining us and and

429
00:23:09,960 --> 00:23:12,480
Speaker 1: continued success with the music and with the building and

430
00:23:12,520 --> 00:23:15,320
Speaker 1: with everything you got going on. And you definitely I

431
00:23:15,320 --> 00:23:17,840
Speaker 1: think you you've shaken that bad boy role. You know

432
00:23:17,880 --> 00:23:19,840
Speaker 1: you got you got the villain with the heart of gold.

433
00:23:19,840 --> 00:23:24,520
Speaker 1: Now well, I think life humbled you eventually, Yeah, because

434
00:23:24,560 --> 00:23:26,520
Speaker 1: it was pretty tough afterwards. You know, I had I

435
00:23:26,520 --> 00:23:28,479
Speaker 1: had the people that loved me and hated me, and

436
00:23:28,920 --> 00:23:32,720
Speaker 1: it was almost kind of an identity thing afterwards. Uh,

437
00:23:32,760 --> 00:23:35,000
Speaker 1: they did ask me to do Bachelor Path too, you know,

438
00:23:35,080 --> 00:23:38,359
Speaker 1: Allen had phone me and sent me all the packet

439
00:23:38,400 --> 00:23:39,960
Speaker 1: and I was like, you know, I just don't know

440
00:23:40,000 --> 00:23:42,040
Speaker 1: at this point if I need to do a second one,

441
00:23:42,359 --> 00:23:44,879
Speaker 1: you know, right right, You know, I kind of had

442
00:23:44,880 --> 00:23:47,840
Speaker 1: to work through some stuff. And but but honestly, I

443
00:23:47,840 --> 00:23:51,600
Speaker 1: gotta give credit to the show. It was Without that,

444
00:23:52,359 --> 00:23:54,280
Speaker 1: I promise you I wouldn't be wearing now. I mean,

445
00:23:54,320 --> 00:23:57,800
Speaker 1: I just I learned so much and and and I

446
00:23:57,800 --> 00:24:01,080
Speaker 1: saw who was the guy on the team be yeah,

447
00:24:01,080 --> 00:24:02,399
Speaker 1: And later I was like, now I don't want to

448
00:24:02,400 --> 00:24:05,919
Speaker 1: be that guy, you know, and so so I just

449
00:24:06,000 --> 00:24:08,439
Speaker 1: cleaned up and and and but I'm telling you, if

450
00:24:08,440 --> 00:24:11,600
Speaker 1: it wasn't for that show, I'd probably there's no telling

451
00:24:11,600 --> 00:24:13,639
Speaker 1: where i'd be, you know, because I was. I was.

452
00:24:13,720 --> 00:24:15,600
Speaker 1: I liked the party and drink and hang out, and

453
00:24:15,760 --> 00:24:17,639
Speaker 1: it was kind of a saving grace. It really was.

454
00:24:17,680 --> 00:24:20,600
Speaker 1: As weird as it sounds, it doesn't sound weird at all.

455
00:24:21,200 --> 00:24:26,120
Speaker 1: I get it. Yeah perspective, you know, I don't want

456
00:24:26,119 --> 00:24:28,800
Speaker 1: to be tendency to do that. I was already famous.

457
00:24:28,840 --> 00:24:32,080
Speaker 1: I don't need to be famous, right any of that.

458
00:24:32,320 --> 00:24:35,440
Speaker 1: You know. It was so wonderfolcus. It's a dream come true.

459
00:24:35,600 --> 00:24:38,440
Speaker 1: And you know, it furthered me along in life and

460
00:24:38,800 --> 00:24:41,400
Speaker 1: gave me some humility, which honestly I've never really had

461
00:24:42,840 --> 00:24:46,200
Speaker 1: really hearing that. You know what, people ask me next

462
00:24:46,240 --> 00:24:48,119
Speaker 1: time if I would let my kids do the show,

463
00:24:48,880 --> 00:24:51,040
Speaker 1: because you know, I'm sure you get asked this all

464
00:24:51,040 --> 00:24:54,800
Speaker 1: the time too, Bob. But you know, I think my

465
00:24:54,840 --> 00:24:58,560
Speaker 1: answer is is normal in that I have a success

466
00:24:58,600 --> 00:25:00,560
Speaker 1: story and that I found the love life. We've been

467
00:25:00,560 --> 00:25:02,840
Speaker 1: married for almost twenty years, to YadA, YadA, YadA, and

468
00:25:02,880 --> 00:25:05,160
Speaker 1: so how could I say no? But I love your

469
00:25:05,200 --> 00:25:09,879
Speaker 1: answer that it actually gave you such perspective and what

470
00:25:10,119 --> 00:25:14,160
Speaker 1: that's such a great like life experience just for that.

471
00:25:14,320 --> 00:25:16,960
Speaker 1: I mean, even if you are cast as the villain,

472
00:25:17,440 --> 00:25:21,280
Speaker 1: it can actually turn out as a positive. But you

473
00:25:21,359 --> 00:25:23,280
Speaker 1: gotta you gotta be willing to take that look though,

474
00:25:23,320 --> 00:25:25,280
Speaker 1: and you were willing to take that look. You know,

475
00:25:25,320 --> 00:25:26,879
Speaker 1: you needed the work, So I think that's why it

476
00:25:26,920 --> 00:25:30,159
Speaker 1: made a difference. So good for you, man, Yeah, I

477
00:25:30,200 --> 00:25:32,280
Speaker 1: appreciate it. God, it's wonderful to see you. I haven't

478
00:25:32,280 --> 00:25:34,679
Speaker 1: seen you on forever. Man, it's great to see you.

479
00:25:34,720 --> 00:25:39,359
Speaker 1: To man, Well, thanks for coming out West having studio.

480
00:25:39,400 --> 00:25:42,040
Speaker 1: Good luckily the interviews later today. We'll see you all later.

481
00:25:42,560 --> 00:25:47,560
Speaker 1: I take care of buddy, bye West that when it's ready.

482
00:25:47,800 --> 00:25:51,280
Speaker 1: I know, that is such a great answer. I just

483
00:25:52,160 --> 00:25:54,800
Speaker 1: and and I don't know if it could come from

484
00:25:54,840 --> 00:25:57,399
Speaker 1: you know, a lot of people on the show. I

485
00:25:57,440 --> 00:26:00,600
Speaker 1: don't know that people use it to be in respective

486
00:26:00,640 --> 00:26:03,920
Speaker 1: and to actually like they just want to complain about

487
00:26:03,960 --> 00:26:08,320
Speaker 1: the edit and blame it on the producers. And maybe

488
00:26:08,359 --> 00:26:10,760
Speaker 1: he did that in the beginning because people probably weren't

489
00:26:10,760 --> 00:26:12,600
Speaker 1: super kind to him, or at least some of them.

490
00:26:13,240 --> 00:26:15,800
Speaker 1: But I love that he changed it around and flipped

491
00:26:15,800 --> 00:26:19,400
Speaker 1: it like I respect him even more, Like I said,

492
00:26:19,440 --> 00:26:23,160
Speaker 1: I respected him for owning it. Now, I think he's

493
00:26:23,200 --> 00:26:26,320
Speaker 1: actually one of my favorites. So there you go. I like,

494
00:26:26,400 --> 00:26:30,000
Speaker 1: you know, just because of that, I think there's something

495
00:26:30,080 --> 00:26:34,720
Speaker 1: to be said for honesty and humility, and um, I

496
00:26:34,840 --> 00:26:48,520
Speaker 1: love it. Well, we have another wonderful guest who's coming

497
00:26:48,560 --> 00:26:50,720
Speaker 1: on right now from Bachelor Pad season one, who is

498
00:26:50,760 --> 00:26:52,600
Speaker 1: a personal friend of mine too, and I think of

499
00:26:52,600 --> 00:26:57,120
Speaker 1: yours as well. Christ Um. Absolutely beautiful person inside out,

500
00:26:57,119 --> 00:26:59,439
Speaker 1: one of the kindest people, and someone who was on

501
00:26:59,480 --> 00:27:02,040
Speaker 1: the first season, which I've actually you know, we've talked

502
00:27:02,080 --> 00:27:03,560
Speaker 1: a lot over the years, and one of the things

503
00:27:03,600 --> 00:27:06,679
Speaker 1: I've always wanted to ask her, which I never asked before,

504
00:27:07,000 --> 00:27:10,560
Speaker 1: which I'm going to ask her today, was um one

505
00:27:10,600 --> 00:27:12,040
Speaker 1: of the things I thought stood out to most was

506
00:27:12,080 --> 00:27:15,879
Speaker 1: every time they flash her name, put the age they

507
00:27:15,880 --> 00:27:19,520
Speaker 1: put questions. I was gonna say that too, yes, And

508
00:27:19,520 --> 00:27:21,479
Speaker 1: I was always like, did they choose to do that?

509
00:27:21,600 --> 00:27:24,240
Speaker 1: Or did she choose to do that? So we got

510
00:27:24,240 --> 00:27:26,080
Speaker 1: to ask her, so let's bring her in. It's Gwen Joya.

511
00:27:26,680 --> 00:27:32,640
Speaker 1: Gwen was on season two Aaron Bergie's season of the Bachelor,

512
00:27:33,320 --> 00:27:35,840
Speaker 1: and then she's one of the O g s Hi, Gwen,

513
00:27:40,720 --> 00:27:45,679
Speaker 1: are you beautiful? So good to see you both to

514
00:27:45,240 --> 00:27:48,879
Speaker 1: see We were just talking to West Hayden, who was

515
00:27:48,920 --> 00:27:50,920
Speaker 1: just on the show right before you Do you remember West?

516
00:27:51,920 --> 00:27:55,600
Speaker 1: I do. He's a villain with a heart of gold.

517
00:27:55,640 --> 00:27:58,040
Speaker 1: We decided because he's uh, he said that he saw

518
00:27:58,119 --> 00:27:59,960
Speaker 1: himself on those shows and decided he needed to do

519
00:28:00,160 --> 00:28:04,840
Speaker 1: some some self work and really kind of reevaluated who

520
00:28:04,840 --> 00:28:06,360
Speaker 1: he was and what he was doing. So I thought

521
00:28:06,400 --> 00:28:13,240
Speaker 1: that was interesting. Yeah, that's right. Yeah, I enjoyed was Yeah.

522
00:28:13,480 --> 00:28:16,200
Speaker 1: I thought, yeah, it seemed nice. We're saying, like he's

523
00:28:16,240 --> 00:28:18,960
Speaker 1: the first person I think on the on the franchise

524
00:28:19,040 --> 00:28:21,920
Speaker 1: maybe even to really own being the villain on one

525
00:28:21,920 --> 00:28:24,080
Speaker 1: of those seasons, you know what I mean, Like everybody

526
00:28:24,080 --> 00:28:25,600
Speaker 1: else would go on and they would almost kind of

527
00:28:25,840 --> 00:28:27,960
Speaker 1: complain that the audit made him look bad or whatever.

528
00:28:28,040 --> 00:28:29,639
Speaker 1: He was just like, Yep, I'm a villain. This is

529
00:28:29,680 --> 00:28:30,959
Speaker 1: what I'm a bad guy. That's what I do. I'm

530
00:28:31,000 --> 00:28:33,000
Speaker 1: a bad guy, you know. And it was kind of

531
00:28:33,040 --> 00:28:35,520
Speaker 1: interesting because I would have never thought that, well, I mean,

532
00:28:35,560 --> 00:28:36,919
Speaker 1: I could have never done that. I would have been

533
00:28:37,160 --> 00:28:42,680
Speaker 1: terrified to say, um okay. When we so, Bob and

534
00:28:42,720 --> 00:28:47,760
Speaker 1: I in prep of this episode, watched the first season, sorry,

535
00:28:47,800 --> 00:28:50,440
Speaker 1: the first episode of the first season of Bachelor Pad,

536
00:28:51,040 --> 00:28:56,200
Speaker 1: and both of us I wanted to ask this. Bob

537
00:28:56,240 --> 00:28:59,600
Speaker 1: just said he's been interested in asking you and I

538
00:28:59,680 --> 00:29:04,640
Speaker 1: had exact same question. Um okay, So they have you

539
00:29:04,680 --> 00:29:07,040
Speaker 1: on the show, and they have these twenties and thirties

540
00:29:07,080 --> 00:29:10,080
Speaker 1: some things, and you know, when you're when you come

541
00:29:10,160 --> 00:29:12,040
Speaker 1: up on your I t M s, they show your

542
00:29:12,080 --> 00:29:15,960
Speaker 1: first name, and then on Bachelor Pad at least they

543
00:29:15,960 --> 00:29:18,920
Speaker 1: show your age. And I don't I assume. I think

544
00:29:18,920 --> 00:29:21,560
Speaker 1: they did it on Aaron's season as well. But and

545
00:29:21,640 --> 00:29:24,680
Speaker 1: you can tell us this, but on Bachelor Pad it

546
00:29:24,760 --> 00:29:29,239
Speaker 1: had two question marks, no age. So Bob said, was

547
00:29:29,320 --> 00:29:34,080
Speaker 1: that was that your decision or the producers? Definitely No.

548
00:29:34,360 --> 00:29:36,000
Speaker 1: I didn't know that they would do that at all.

549
00:29:36,360 --> 00:29:39,160
Speaker 1: I think coming on they you know, they always have

550
00:29:39,160 --> 00:29:43,560
Speaker 1: a plan, right, so action and the plan for me was, Okay,

551
00:29:43,560 --> 00:29:47,480
Speaker 1: we're gonna ask somebody from an early early show mixed

552
00:29:47,520 --> 00:29:50,880
Speaker 1: with some people more recent and there there's for some

553
00:29:50,960 --> 00:29:56,000
Speaker 1: of people, there's a big age group distance Jesse back,

554
00:29:56,120 --> 00:30:01,560
Speaker 1: you know. So coming in the show was sold to

555
00:30:01,640 --> 00:30:03,520
Speaker 1: me that it was going to be a combination of

556
00:30:03,560 --> 00:30:09,040
Speaker 1: like Survivor in Jeffardy so with some trivia and just

557
00:30:09,440 --> 00:30:15,200
Speaker 1: being athletic. So I love aspects and that was never

558
00:30:16,600 --> 00:30:21,400
Speaker 1: really so yeah. I remember, I remember you and I

559
00:30:21,440 --> 00:30:23,520
Speaker 1: talked before you went on the show, and I remember

560
00:30:23,600 --> 00:30:25,440
Speaker 1: we were like, You're like, yeah, I'm gonna I'm gonna

561
00:30:25,440 --> 00:30:26,640
Speaker 1: do the show. I'm like, oh my god, I could

562
00:30:26,680 --> 00:30:28,280
Speaker 1: never do that show. I would get killed on a

563
00:30:28,320 --> 00:30:31,400
Speaker 1: show like that. And I was scared for you, you know,

564
00:30:31,440 --> 00:30:33,920
Speaker 1: going into it. You of course, you know did wonderfully.

565
00:30:34,000 --> 00:30:36,480
Speaker 1: You know, for yourself. No one would be surprised by that.

566
00:30:36,520 --> 00:30:38,360
Speaker 1: But it was one of those things I remember going,

567
00:30:38,400 --> 00:30:39,920
Speaker 1: oh my god, I could never do a show like that.

568
00:30:39,960 --> 00:30:42,520
Speaker 1: I would just get destroyed because I trust everybody too much,

569
00:30:42,520 --> 00:30:47,000
Speaker 1: and that survivor element scares the hell out of me. Yeah, girl,

570
00:30:47,080 --> 00:30:49,640
Speaker 1: I feel like I trust people too much too and

571
00:30:49,720 --> 00:30:51,560
Speaker 1: I think it has been so long since I've been

572
00:30:51,640 --> 00:30:54,480
Speaker 1: on and I thought, you know, I'm you know, I'm

573
00:30:54,480 --> 00:30:57,560
Speaker 1: probably a jack of all trades master and I'm like,

574
00:30:57,600 --> 00:31:00,480
Speaker 1: I'm pretty athletic, but i could do any board. But

575
00:31:00,520 --> 00:31:03,160
Speaker 1: I'm not going to be like the star and I'm

576
00:31:03,200 --> 00:31:06,000
Speaker 1: not I know enough, I can hold my own. So

577
00:31:06,120 --> 00:31:08,560
Speaker 1: going in, I thought, okay, well, just let's just do

578
00:31:08,600 --> 00:31:11,040
Speaker 1: this and make some friends along the way. It's you

579
00:31:11,080 --> 00:31:14,040
Speaker 1: know what, three weeks in terms of filming, but it

580
00:31:14,120 --> 00:31:17,280
Speaker 1: was a lot different than I expected going in, and

581
00:31:17,320 --> 00:31:20,720
Speaker 1: I feel like the producers maybe realized, you know, a

582
00:31:20,720 --> 00:31:23,440
Speaker 1: week or so in that gosh, you know, this isn't working.

583
00:31:23,480 --> 00:31:28,960
Speaker 1: Maybe we change it up, change it up. That's thrown okay,

584
00:31:29,640 --> 00:31:32,160
Speaker 1: maybe that's why they changed it up. Well, I want

585
00:31:32,160 --> 00:31:34,560
Speaker 1: to I wonder, do you remember how old you were then?

586
00:31:35,280 --> 00:31:42,800
Speaker 1: It was yeah, yeah, you is that what you said?

587
00:31:43,480 --> 00:31:46,800
Speaker 1: Uh huh yeah, I mean, I'm sorry, but that was

588
00:31:46,920 --> 00:31:50,200
Speaker 1: two thousand and ten and that's twelve years ago. You

589
00:31:50,320 --> 00:31:54,960
Speaker 1: do not age? What is your secret age? It's crazy?

590
00:31:56,960 --> 00:32:00,520
Speaker 1: I am like blown away pictures of you obviously on

591
00:32:00,600 --> 00:32:04,640
Speaker 1: social since then, and I always feel the same way.

592
00:32:04,760 --> 00:32:07,080
Speaker 1: How do you not age? You are just you are

593
00:32:07,240 --> 00:32:10,600
Speaker 1: such a stunner. You know what. I'm healthy, I eat well,

594
00:32:10,760 --> 00:32:15,840
Speaker 1: I exercise, um, take care of myself. I don't go

595
00:32:15,920 --> 00:32:20,000
Speaker 1: in the sun. So okay, I bet that that's probably

596
00:32:20,040 --> 00:32:22,800
Speaker 1: your secret. Yeah, explains why I was like a pair

597
00:32:22,840 --> 00:32:26,600
Speaker 1: of old boots exactly because I don't eat well, I

598
00:32:26,680 --> 00:32:29,360
Speaker 1: don't I drink too much. I'm always in the sign.

599
00:32:29,480 --> 00:32:31,120
Speaker 1: By the way, you don't look like a pair of

600
00:32:31,200 --> 00:32:35,960
Speaker 1: old boots. Baby face, Bob. I so I soaked my

601
00:32:36,000 --> 00:32:38,240
Speaker 1: face in uh and Tito's every night before I go

602
00:32:38,280 --> 00:32:45,440
Speaker 1: to sleep. Tsay coconut oil. No, it's tes ttos. It's

603
00:32:45,440 --> 00:32:49,640
Speaker 1: Tito's oil. Uh. You know it's really good for the skin.

604
00:32:50,160 --> 00:32:54,680
Speaker 1: Great for there. We asked West this question, we got

605
00:32:54,680 --> 00:32:57,440
Speaker 1: to ask you too. So obviously that show was I'm

606
00:32:57,440 --> 00:33:01,040
Speaker 1: sure just a really unique experience, is I mean, it

607
00:33:01,080 --> 00:33:03,120
Speaker 1: was back in the day still a little bit too,

608
00:33:03,160 --> 00:33:05,960
Speaker 1: so it was probably before we became a two super

609
00:33:06,000 --> 00:33:08,640
Speaker 1: socially conscious show, which I feel like now they're you know,

610
00:33:08,640 --> 00:33:10,360
Speaker 1: there are rules in place now right now you can

611
00:33:10,400 --> 00:33:12,880
Speaker 1: only have one drink per hour and things of that nature.

612
00:33:12,920 --> 00:33:18,120
Speaker 1: I've read on some stuff, and then it was back then.

613
00:33:18,160 --> 00:33:19,840
Speaker 1: I remember on trist this season they'd come and they

614
00:33:19,880 --> 00:33:21,360
Speaker 1: be like, what do you guys want to eat? And

615
00:33:21,400 --> 00:33:24,000
Speaker 1: I'm like, oh, we want burgers and dogs. We want

616
00:33:24,040 --> 00:33:25,800
Speaker 1: to drink t does and beer. The tetoes and beer

617
00:33:25,840 --> 00:33:28,080
Speaker 1: was there in like eight minutes, and the bur dogs

618
00:33:28,120 --> 00:33:30,560
Speaker 1: showed up the next day, you know. So I mean

619
00:33:30,720 --> 00:33:32,680
Speaker 1: with Bachelor Pad, was it was it kind of like that?

620
00:33:32,840 --> 00:33:35,000
Speaker 1: Was it? Was it a little more of like a

621
00:33:35,000 --> 00:33:39,440
Speaker 1: a fun and and you know, booze fueled event or

622
00:33:39,560 --> 00:33:41,360
Speaker 1: was it were they like trying to get you guys,

623
00:33:41,480 --> 00:33:44,320
Speaker 1: you know, sporty and doing all the athletic competitions. I

624
00:33:44,400 --> 00:33:47,480
Speaker 1: think it certainly. Booze is always there for I feel

625
00:33:47,520 --> 00:33:50,960
Speaker 1: like a lot of the Bachelor everything. So they try

626
00:33:51,000 --> 00:33:53,160
Speaker 1: to get people to you know, drink up because they

627
00:33:53,200 --> 00:33:57,080
Speaker 1: want people to do some things really and to have

628
00:33:57,120 --> 00:33:59,479
Speaker 1: some drama because that's what makes these I mean, they

629
00:33:59,520 --> 00:34:02,840
Speaker 1: trim start up a lot. I don't know if West

630
00:34:02,920 --> 00:34:04,560
Speaker 1: is there, but there are a couple of girls at

631
00:34:04,560 --> 00:34:07,120
Speaker 1: one point and they were like asking everyone, can you

632
00:34:07,200 --> 00:34:10,280
Speaker 1: just take your off or can you just start kissing?

633
00:34:10,520 --> 00:34:13,319
Speaker 1: I mean they were just trying to really stamp it up,

634
00:34:13,600 --> 00:34:17,279
Speaker 1: and and I thought, you know, so different from way

635
00:34:17,320 --> 00:34:21,200
Speaker 1: back when when it was just more authentic and trying

636
00:34:21,239 --> 00:34:27,000
Speaker 1: to create a story or manipulate. Yeah, their storyline. Yeah, yeah,

637
00:34:27,040 --> 00:34:29,160
Speaker 1: they were definitely going for it at that point. That's

638
00:34:29,160 --> 00:34:31,280
Speaker 1: probably why. I mean, how many seasons were was Bachelor

639
00:34:31,320 --> 00:34:41,439
Speaker 1: Pad just Bachelor Along much better? Yeah? Right? That love

640
00:34:41,520 --> 00:34:44,759
Speaker 1: element and you know, not putting people against each other.

641
00:34:44,800 --> 00:34:47,840
Speaker 1: I think with Bacheld people were being deceitful and lying

642
00:34:47,920 --> 00:34:50,560
Speaker 1: and scheming and trying to undermine where I was. That

643
00:34:50,760 --> 00:34:54,480
Speaker 1: wasn't a positive environment. It was like turning to their

644
00:34:54,520 --> 00:34:58,239
Speaker 1: part really right, No, I agree, I agree with that.

645
00:34:58,480 --> 00:35:02,319
Speaker 1: I was kind of like, is jesse Kovac's kidding when

646
00:35:02,360 --> 00:35:06,520
Speaker 1: he said, you know, lying and cheating or lying and deceiving,

647
00:35:06,600 --> 00:35:09,120
Speaker 1: that's my middle name. And you know, I can see

648
00:35:09,160 --> 00:35:13,399
Speaker 1: that being said in a sarcastic tone, and he said

649
00:35:13,400 --> 00:35:15,440
Speaker 1: that in the first episode that I just watched. But

650
00:35:16,040 --> 00:35:19,840
Speaker 1: I was thinking to myself, that makes me like, I

651
00:35:19,840 --> 00:35:23,960
Speaker 1: don't like that. I I because it could potentially also

652
00:35:24,080 --> 00:35:28,680
Speaker 1: be a show about love. Why is he coming at

653
00:35:28,719 --> 00:35:32,440
Speaker 1: it like lying and deceiving is my middle name. I

654
00:35:32,440 --> 00:35:34,759
Speaker 1: didn't like that either, So I think that you're right,

655
00:35:34,920 --> 00:35:39,400
Speaker 1: like Bachelor in Paradise is just a great um way

656
00:35:39,440 --> 00:35:41,960
Speaker 1: to change up the show. You know, they wanted to

657
00:35:42,920 --> 00:35:45,680
Speaker 1: kind of do a spinoff from Bachelor and Bachelorette, and

658
00:35:45,719 --> 00:35:48,600
Speaker 1: the Bachelor Pad was great to start with. But I

659
00:35:48,640 --> 00:35:53,000
Speaker 1: love that they have evolved into Bachelor in Paradise because

660
00:35:53,040 --> 00:35:56,960
Speaker 1: it is still mostly even though there's lots of drama

661
00:35:57,040 --> 00:36:01,320
Speaker 1: about the love hay Gwin. Let me ask you, uh,

662
00:36:01,480 --> 00:36:06,319
Speaker 1: do you still watch the show at all? This month? Now?

663
00:36:06,360 --> 00:36:08,960
Speaker 1: I watch the last few seasons. I watched for a

664
00:36:08,960 --> 00:36:12,200
Speaker 1: really long long time. I probably have until maybe this

665
00:36:12,280 --> 00:36:16,200
Speaker 1: year I was watching. Yeah, and where are you now?

666
00:36:16,239 --> 00:36:19,200
Speaker 1: Are you state side or you're right? You're you moved

667
00:36:19,200 --> 00:36:20,880
Speaker 1: back to the States because I know you lived in

668
00:36:20,920 --> 00:36:24,799
Speaker 1: Paris for a while. Yeah, Paris, Philly. Yeah, that's great.

669
00:36:24,880 --> 00:36:27,040
Speaker 1: And then I moved back to the US. Then I

670
00:36:27,080 --> 00:36:29,040
Speaker 1: lived in New York for like four and a half years.

671
00:36:29,040 --> 00:36:31,520
Speaker 1: I just moved out in New York and during the pandemic.

672
00:36:31,719 --> 00:36:35,839
Speaker 1: And so now it's the time between Greenwich, Connecticut where

673
00:36:35,840 --> 00:36:41,759
Speaker 1: I am today in Florida. We're in Florida Fort Lauderdale.

674
00:36:42,360 --> 00:36:48,959
Speaker 1: Oh nice, they are during the occupents in here. That's

675
00:36:49,239 --> 00:36:53,120
Speaker 1: And are you did you ever find a love match? Yeah?

676
00:36:53,200 --> 00:36:59,879
Speaker 1: So I have. Actually I'm living with my boyfriend now, so, um, yeah,

677
00:37:00,320 --> 00:37:03,920
Speaker 1: it was just time and during the pandemic friend with

678
00:37:04,000 --> 00:37:08,399
Speaker 1: dad in New York, we just moved in together. I'm

679
00:37:08,440 --> 00:37:11,560
Speaker 1: so happy for you. I know that it was been

680
00:37:11,560 --> 00:37:15,640
Speaker 1: a it's been since being on the show, and um,

681
00:37:15,680 --> 00:37:18,160
Speaker 1: I always I just always wanted you to be happy.

682
00:37:18,280 --> 00:37:21,480
Speaker 1: And I love that you got somebody. The whole world

683
00:37:21,480 --> 00:37:25,080
Speaker 1: loves gwen Joy, That's for sure. I love you too.

684
00:37:27,320 --> 00:37:30,319
Speaker 1: So I I know you love doing Bachelor Pad or

685
00:37:30,440 --> 00:37:33,560
Speaker 1: assume that you had some fun just because of the relationships.

686
00:37:33,600 --> 00:37:36,040
Speaker 1: Do you wish that Bachelor in Paradise had been around

687
00:37:36,160 --> 00:37:40,360
Speaker 1: instead of Bachelor Pad? Definitely? There were times during Bachelor

688
00:37:40,400 --> 00:37:42,560
Speaker 1: Product I was just like, what did I get myself into?

689
00:37:42,760 --> 00:37:45,759
Speaker 1: I don't want to be here, you know. It's so

690
00:37:45,920 --> 00:37:50,040
Speaker 1: it's yeah, it was. I liked it. I wouldn't say

691
00:37:50,040 --> 00:37:52,560
Speaker 1: I loved it, and I only liked it because I

692
00:37:52,640 --> 00:37:56,719
Speaker 1: met some some good people and make good friendships there.

693
00:37:56,800 --> 00:38:01,280
Speaker 1: But I didn't like the concept. Yeah. No, it seems

694
00:38:01,320 --> 00:38:03,719
Speaker 1: like it would be would have been better suited to

695
00:38:03,840 --> 00:38:07,759
Speaker 1: you to be on Bachelor in Paradise thing. You know,

696
00:38:07,920 --> 00:38:14,319
Speaker 1: I'm I want to be authentic and real is not yeah, right,

697
00:38:14,400 --> 00:38:16,600
Speaker 1: I think, especially for the first season. I feel like

698
00:38:16,640 --> 00:38:20,120
Speaker 1: everyone came into it thinking we just have to. It's

699
00:38:20,200 --> 00:38:22,560
Speaker 1: kind of like Big Brother ESK and that, you know,

700
00:38:22,960 --> 00:38:26,319
Speaker 1: you just you're you're going to ask forgiveness later, You're

701
00:38:26,400 --> 00:38:29,879
Speaker 1: just gonna lie in deceit and you know, cheat your

702
00:38:29,920 --> 00:38:32,480
Speaker 1: way to the top and then say I'm sorry. It

703
00:38:32,560 --> 00:38:35,520
Speaker 1: was all a game. You know when if you say

704
00:38:35,520 --> 00:38:38,759
Speaker 1: that about love, then you're just a juche bag, you know.

705
00:38:41,719 --> 00:38:44,360
Speaker 1: Oh my god, you guys, my son is throwing posts

706
00:38:44,360 --> 00:38:45,799
Speaker 1: that notes at me. I don't even know what's going

707
00:38:45,840 --> 00:38:49,400
Speaker 1: on right now, Like I want to. I want the

708
00:38:49,520 --> 00:38:53,479
Speaker 1: producers to frame and like the still shot of you

709
00:38:53,719 --> 00:38:57,400
Speaker 1: looking at Grayson when he flipped the computer the second time,

710
00:38:57,640 --> 00:39:08,960
Speaker 1: like that's the mad dad face? Are you sorry? When

711
00:39:09,160 --> 00:39:13,080
Speaker 1: I should be asking your questions instead of dying laughing

712
00:39:13,160 --> 00:39:20,760
Speaker 1: right now? But I know it's fine, Okay, this is yeah.

713
00:39:20,800 --> 00:39:26,200
Speaker 1: Maybe maybe this is the kicker, is the final this

714
00:39:26,239 --> 00:39:32,279
Speaker 1: is what did it? I have one more question? I

715
00:39:32,360 --> 00:39:36,520
Speaker 1: want one because we did ask Um West this when

716
00:39:36,520 --> 00:39:39,279
Speaker 1: we talked to him, what is your favorite memory from

717
00:39:39,320 --> 00:39:41,120
Speaker 1: the show, and he kind of said what you said

718
00:39:41,160 --> 00:39:43,719
Speaker 1: about you know, you love that you made relationships, but

719
00:39:43,760 --> 00:39:46,959
Speaker 1: do you have one memory that that stands out, whether

720
00:39:47,000 --> 00:39:50,839
Speaker 1: it's funny or sentimental or whatever. And maybe something that

721
00:39:51,120 --> 00:39:54,359
Speaker 1: you know, we didn't see on the show. We'd love

722
00:39:54,400 --> 00:39:57,320
Speaker 1: to hear it so long, but I don't even remember

723
00:39:57,600 --> 00:40:01,600
Speaker 1: like so much. But really I think a lot of

724
00:40:01,600 --> 00:40:04,480
Speaker 1: it was it's been I got to know Gia really well,

725
00:40:04,520 --> 00:40:08,720
Speaker 1: so we had some girl bonding time, which was great

726
00:40:08,880 --> 00:40:14,520
Speaker 1: and um girl discussions about you know, the strategy and

727
00:40:14,560 --> 00:40:18,880
Speaker 1: what we're doing and just life in general. And another

728
00:40:20,080 --> 00:40:25,839
Speaker 1: another good memory was the weather Man. Yes, the weather Man.

729
00:40:25,960 --> 00:40:29,120
Speaker 1: I'm just just because I had no idea who he

730
00:40:29,239 --> 00:40:32,239
Speaker 1: was prior to the show or whatnot, but just really

731
00:40:32,280 --> 00:40:36,560
Speaker 1: down to earth, super genuine when we were just we

732
00:40:36,680 --> 00:40:40,600
Speaker 1: were out on some you know dates or whatnot, talking

733
00:40:40,640 --> 00:40:43,000
Speaker 1: about you know, Italy and all our travels because that's

734
00:40:43,000 --> 00:40:47,439
Speaker 1: such a passion. So that was really positive memory too.

735
00:40:47,719 --> 00:40:51,759
Speaker 1: And then Western Gia like you know, falling for each other,

736
00:40:51,840 --> 00:40:55,920
Speaker 1: So witnessing that was especially Yeah, Yeah, we talked to

737
00:40:55,960 --> 00:40:59,799
Speaker 1: him about I asked him about it, and yeah, that's

738
00:41:00,000 --> 00:41:03,759
Speaker 1: still so heartbreaking just watching the episode and seeing just

739
00:41:05,440 --> 00:41:08,680
Speaker 1: I mean, her interviewedy even shines through when you watch

740
00:41:08,760 --> 00:41:11,520
Speaker 1: the show. It just still breaks my heart to this day,

741
00:41:11,640 --> 00:41:16,280
Speaker 1: but um, yeah, thank you Gwenn. It's been awesome seeing

742
00:41:16,320 --> 00:41:27,240
Speaker 1: you and chatting right stuff. You really beautiful. By the way,

743
00:41:27,280 --> 00:41:29,479
Speaker 1: you don't need to do my Tito's compress. You guys

744
00:41:29,480 --> 00:41:32,400
Speaker 1: are much better off compress. We're gonna get right on

745
00:41:32,440 --> 00:41:41,959
Speaker 1: that though. It's working for you. Von, thanks a, thank

746
00:41:42,000 --> 00:41:49,520
Speaker 1: you so much. You vote take care. You know what's funny.

747
00:41:49,719 --> 00:41:55,600
Speaker 1: I so it's really interesting to me that, um, this show,

748
00:41:56,480 --> 00:41:58,520
Speaker 1: you know, I asked the producers how can we watch

749
00:41:59,200 --> 00:42:01,359
Speaker 1: and they said, h you Max, Do you have HBO Max.

750
00:42:01,360 --> 00:42:04,120
Speaker 1: I'm like, yeah, so I go on HBO Max and

751
00:42:04,160 --> 00:42:08,200
Speaker 1: it's like Bachelor Pad, Bachelor, Bachelor Ette, Bachelor in Paradise.

752
00:42:08,239 --> 00:42:11,120
Speaker 1: They have all four and Winter Games all five of

753
00:42:11,200 --> 00:42:14,560
Speaker 1: the as IT shows, although they don't have every single show.

754
00:42:15,080 --> 00:42:17,920
Speaker 1: But it's so interesting like back in the day you

755
00:42:18,000 --> 00:42:21,840
Speaker 1: had to record it on your VCR or your TVO

756
00:42:22,160 --> 00:42:25,440
Speaker 1: like you said, or you have to be watching live

757
00:42:25,719 --> 00:42:29,400
Speaker 1: like you couldn't. When the show was done, it was done,

758
00:42:29,680 --> 00:42:33,239
Speaker 1: like there was no looking back. And I think for

759
00:42:33,360 --> 00:42:36,960
Speaker 1: us especially, I think for me too, it was kind

760
00:42:36,960 --> 00:42:41,439
Speaker 1: of calling in that once this is over, then it's

761
00:42:41,520 --> 00:42:43,719
Speaker 1: never going to be seen it again, see it again,

762
00:42:45,080 --> 00:42:48,799
Speaker 1: there's something really uh really you know, really kind of

763
00:42:49,480 --> 00:42:51,800
Speaker 1: I don't know, it almost like absolved you of the show,

764
00:42:51,920 --> 00:42:56,479
Speaker 1: you know what, right, And now, I mean they don't

765
00:42:56,480 --> 00:43:00,239
Speaker 1: have every single season on of each of those shows,

766
00:43:00,840 --> 00:43:04,960
Speaker 1: but I do love that we can go back and

767
00:43:04,960 --> 00:43:07,560
Speaker 1: and watch some of them at least. And I know,

768
00:43:07,960 --> 00:43:10,839
Speaker 1: like there are other apps like tub has some and

769
00:43:11,239 --> 00:43:13,759
Speaker 1: maybe they've sold them to different different apps just to

770
00:43:13,960 --> 00:43:18,479
Speaker 1: have people watching on different on different apps. But um, yeah,

771
00:43:18,520 --> 00:43:22,319
Speaker 1: I think it's really interesting that that back in the day,

772
00:43:22,520 --> 00:43:26,120
Speaker 1: like you just couldn't it was done and yeah, yeah,

773
00:43:26,680 --> 00:43:29,120
Speaker 1: now it's now it's everywhere. I mean, you know, I

774
00:43:29,120 --> 00:43:32,600
Speaker 1: would be interested to see, um, you know, once when

775
00:43:32,640 --> 00:43:36,440
Speaker 1: an if uh you know, the whole franchise raps at

776
00:43:36,480 --> 00:43:39,160
Speaker 1: some point, which you know, I guess everything would happen

777
00:43:39,200 --> 00:43:41,560
Speaker 1: to a certain degree, uh you know, where things come

778
00:43:41,600 --> 00:43:45,080
Speaker 1: to an end, I suppose, which probably isn't anytime soon.

779
00:43:45,200 --> 00:43:47,799
Speaker 1: But I don't think it's anytime soon. I wonder a

780
00:43:47,840 --> 00:43:50,160
Speaker 1: big box set that would come out of every season,

781
00:43:50,360 --> 00:43:54,040
Speaker 1: you know, no, because box sets people would look at

782
00:43:54,080 --> 00:43:56,319
Speaker 1: it and say what is that, just like they did

783
00:43:56,320 --> 00:44:01,720
Speaker 1: at your compact disc. That's very good point. Box set

784
00:44:01,800 --> 00:44:05,640
Speaker 1: is not happening box sets anymore? Are there? There are

785
00:44:05,719 --> 00:44:08,120
Speaker 1: no box sets. Yes, you just staged yourself just a

786
00:44:08,200 --> 00:44:12,760
Speaker 1: little bit. Only vintage record stores. That's the life place, okay,

787
00:44:12,800 --> 00:44:16,040
Speaker 1: so Bobe. Everybody, thanks for tuning in today. Um we

788
00:44:16,200 --> 00:44:18,880
Speaker 1: love having you and we're excited to talk to you

789
00:44:18,960 --> 00:44:24,399
Speaker 1: next week, so make sure to tune in. Thanks everybody,