1 00:00:00,400 --> 00:00:03,000 Speaker 1: It's time to relax. You deserve it. Get a free 2 00:00:03,040 --> 00:00:05,000 Speaker 1: thirty minute massage when you buy an hour because it 3 00:00:05,120 --> 00:00:12,400 Speaker 1: centralis dot Com. The schedule your appointment. He's the Drive 4 00:00:12,520 --> 00:00:16,520 Speaker 1: with Dale Lolly and Matt Williamson on your home of 5 00:00:16,560 --> 00:00:27,400 Speaker 1: the Black and Goals Steelers Nation Radio. Welcome back. I'm 6 00:00:27,480 --> 00:00:30,920 Speaker 1: Dale Lolly here with Matt Williamson and Matt. The Pro 7 00:00:30,960 --> 00:00:33,880 Speaker 1: Football Hall of Fame revealed its twenty six I don't 8 00:00:33,880 --> 00:00:37,519 Speaker 1: know why they picked twenty six Modern era for the 9 00:00:37,680 --> 00:00:42,600 Speaker 1: class of on Wednesday. Those guys when this yet? I'm interested. Yeah, 10 00:00:42,680 --> 00:00:45,320 Speaker 1: they'll now be voted on. It'll be narrowed down to 11 00:00:45,360 --> 00:00:48,720 Speaker 1: the final fifteen. That's the next step. That's the next step. 12 00:00:48,760 --> 00:00:51,360 Speaker 1: That will happen in December and then the vote will 13 00:00:51,360 --> 00:00:53,680 Speaker 1: take place. I haven't found out yet. The vote will 14 00:00:53,680 --> 00:00:57,320 Speaker 1: take place at the Super Bowl this year. That's as 15 00:00:57,400 --> 00:01:01,720 Speaker 1: usual as usual, or if they will have some different 16 00:01:02,880 --> 00:01:06,319 Speaker 1: zoom last year because everything was kind of virtual at 17 00:01:06,319 --> 00:01:08,240 Speaker 1: the super Bowl and I haven't really seen. I put 18 00:01:08,280 --> 00:01:10,840 Speaker 1: my super Bowl credentials in last week because that was 19 00:01:10,880 --> 00:01:15,080 Speaker 1: the deadline novem Um. I haven't decided yet if I'm 20 00:01:15,120 --> 00:01:19,720 Speaker 1: going to actually go, because well obviously I'll go if 21 00:01:19,720 --> 00:01:24,000 Speaker 1: the Steelers are there, but um, if everything's virtual again 22 00:01:24,040 --> 00:01:26,880 Speaker 1: this year, there's no reason for me to go. It 23 00:01:27,000 --> 00:01:31,840 Speaker 1: is what it is anyway. So the semifinals this year 24 00:01:31,840 --> 00:01:35,679 Speaker 1: include Hines Ward. It makes sense. He's the only player 25 00:01:35,720 --> 00:01:39,360 Speaker 1: with who with ties to the Steelers on that list. 26 00:01:40,120 --> 00:01:43,839 Speaker 1: Uh So here's the rest of the list. Cornerback Eric Allen, 27 00:01:45,480 --> 00:01:49,880 Speaker 1: defensive end Jared Allen. He's an interesting one. There's a 28 00:01:49,920 --> 00:01:52,960 Speaker 1: group of those edge rushers from that era that are 29 00:01:53,000 --> 00:01:56,840 Speaker 1: all about the same and no offense with Kevin Green. 30 00:01:56,880 --> 00:01:58,240 Speaker 1: I think he's one of them, and he got in 31 00:01:58,400 --> 00:02:04,680 Speaker 1: you know maybe yeh. Offensive tackle Willie Anderson, cornerback, safety, 32 00:02:04,800 --> 00:02:12,160 Speaker 1: Ronde Barber, wide receiver and Kwom Bolton offensive tackle, Tony Basselli, safety, 33 00:02:12,240 --> 00:02:18,000 Speaker 1: Leroy Butler, running back Eddie George, wide receiver, kick returner 34 00:02:18,720 --> 00:02:21,560 Speaker 1: Tough to Colin. Wide receiver Devin Hester. Yeah, he's a returner. 35 00:02:22,160 --> 00:02:27,200 Speaker 1: Wide receiver, Tory Holt, wide receiver, Andre Johnson. He's the 36 00:02:27,240 --> 00:02:32,679 Speaker 1: first timer. Right. Defensive end Robert Mathis, Yeah, he's I 37 00:02:32,680 --> 00:02:37,799 Speaker 1: would take Allen over Mathis. Linebacker Sam Mills, defensive tackle 38 00:02:37,919 --> 00:02:43,440 Speaker 1: Richard Seymour, wide receiver, Steve Smith. He's also a first timer, 39 00:02:43,600 --> 00:02:49,080 Speaker 1: wide receiver, special teams player Steve Tasker, running back Fred Taylor, 40 00:02:50,480 --> 00:02:57,840 Speaker 1: linebacker Zach Thomas, linebacker DeMarcus Ware. Is he a first timer? Um, 41 00:02:57,919 --> 00:02:59,400 Speaker 1: I think he's a little bit of a cut above 42 00:02:59,480 --> 00:03:01,520 Speaker 1: of some of the rushers from his era. Yeah, he 43 00:03:01,639 --> 00:03:06,600 Speaker 1: is a he's the first time first timer. UM running 44 00:03:06,600 --> 00:03:13,160 Speaker 1: back Ricky Waters, good player, wide receiver Reggie Wayne, defensive 45 00:03:13,160 --> 00:03:16,040 Speaker 1: tackle Vince Wilfork. He's the first timer. Yes, he is 46 00:03:16,040 --> 00:03:17,880 Speaker 1: the first time. He's a really interesting one to me. 47 00:03:18,240 --> 00:03:25,360 Speaker 1: Linebacker Patrick Willis, safety Darren Woodson, and defensive tackle Bryant Young. Well, 48 00:03:25,440 --> 00:03:29,320 Speaker 1: my first impressions are, there's not one that just has 49 00:03:29,360 --> 00:03:32,520 Speaker 1: to go. There's I look at the first year guys 50 00:03:32,520 --> 00:03:39,080 Speaker 1: and again, the first year guys are Bolden, Johnson, Smith, Hester, Mathis, 51 00:03:39,200 --> 00:03:42,400 Speaker 1: Willfork and where. And I said, okay, there's no there's 52 00:03:42,400 --> 00:03:44,400 Speaker 1: no pet Manning, there's no there's nobody there that I 53 00:03:44,440 --> 00:03:47,160 Speaker 1: say that guy has to go in right away. I 54 00:03:47,160 --> 00:03:50,000 Speaker 1: mean even Troy, you know, I mean Troy was easy one. 55 00:03:50,000 --> 00:03:54,080 Speaker 1: He's gonna you know, ed read or you know. Um. So, 56 00:03:54,480 --> 00:03:56,920 Speaker 1: having said in that room and heard some of the 57 00:03:56,920 --> 00:04:01,080 Speaker 1: older voters talk about how there's too many first year 58 00:04:01,120 --> 00:04:03,000 Speaker 1: guys going in wouldn't surprise me if none of the 59 00:04:03,000 --> 00:04:05,080 Speaker 1: first I was sitting there thinking is like, this might 60 00:04:05,120 --> 00:04:08,000 Speaker 1: be the Basselli year, or you know what, if I 61 00:04:08,040 --> 00:04:09,960 Speaker 1: had to put if I had to put odds on, 62 00:04:10,080 --> 00:04:14,480 Speaker 1: who's who's the automatic here, it's bose you think so, yeah, 63 00:04:14,600 --> 00:04:16,880 Speaker 1: because I mean it's been a few linemen, including Fanica, 64 00:04:16,960 --> 00:04:20,000 Speaker 1: that have gone in lately. In fact, I would go 65 00:04:20,040 --> 00:04:23,680 Speaker 1: through this list right now, I'd say Bossell, Holt, I 66 00:04:23,760 --> 00:04:26,279 Speaker 1: think Holton Bruce is the same, and frankly I might 67 00:04:26,360 --> 00:04:28,760 Speaker 1: rather have Holt and Bruce just went last year. I 68 00:04:28,839 --> 00:04:31,760 Speaker 1: think I think it's Boselli. I think it's Holt. I 69 00:04:31,800 --> 00:04:36,919 Speaker 1: think Seymour gets a big push this year. Um. I 70 00:04:36,920 --> 00:04:39,600 Speaker 1: think Wilfork's really interesting too, I mean the first time. 71 00:04:39,640 --> 00:04:41,719 Speaker 1: It's just because he's so much different than most guys. 72 00:04:42,320 --> 00:04:44,800 Speaker 1: One of any numbers, he has no numbers, And I 73 00:04:44,839 --> 00:04:48,400 Speaker 1: don't know if they'll put two if Seymour goes out, 74 00:04:48,400 --> 00:04:50,760 Speaker 1: and I think Wilfork doesn't. I think people know I'm 75 00:04:50,760 --> 00:04:53,400 Speaker 1: a huge sea. It's his first year of eligibility too, 76 00:04:53,520 --> 00:04:55,479 Speaker 1: and he has no numbers, you know, I mean no numbers. 77 00:04:55,480 --> 00:04:57,520 Speaker 1: It's kind of like a guard I would vote for 78 00:04:57,560 --> 00:05:01,440 Speaker 1: Fred Taylor. Taylor was my favorite back of the group 79 00:05:01,480 --> 00:05:04,599 Speaker 1: for sure. There's no quarterbacks right and Patrick Willis to 80 00:05:04,640 --> 00:05:06,400 Speaker 1: me should be a guy that I'm glad you mentioned too. 81 00:05:06,400 --> 00:05:10,160 Speaker 1: I think I wrote an article last summer or whenever 82 00:05:10,200 --> 00:05:13,360 Speaker 1: he was first eligible and you had to pick your 83 00:05:13,440 --> 00:05:15,560 Speaker 1: you know, your guys, and he was one and I 84 00:05:15,600 --> 00:05:20,120 Speaker 1: picked for sure, and he's his body of work just 85 00:05:20,200 --> 00:05:24,920 Speaker 1: isn't long enough. But boy, he's today's modern do it all, 86 00:05:25,279 --> 00:05:29,800 Speaker 1: you know, Yeah, you know for a great player, one 87 00:05:29,839 --> 00:05:32,080 Speaker 1: of the first linebackers that's like running a four four 88 00:05:32,240 --> 00:05:34,880 Speaker 1: and you know, and then it's still big and great coverage. 89 00:05:35,560 --> 00:05:39,400 Speaker 1: He belongs to me, and that's no offense to hines Ward. Um. No, 90 00:05:39,960 --> 00:05:42,360 Speaker 1: I would certainly vote for hines Ward ahead of many 91 00:05:42,400 --> 00:05:44,880 Speaker 1: of the guys on this list. Yeah, there's some on 92 00:05:44,880 --> 00:05:46,640 Speaker 1: the list I think that are pretty Peter King's gonna 93 00:05:46,680 --> 00:05:48,400 Speaker 1: bang it. You can. You can count on this, because 94 00:05:48,440 --> 00:05:51,000 Speaker 1: it's like clockwork. He's going to bang the table at 95 00:05:51,000 --> 00:05:53,680 Speaker 1: some point. For Steve Tasker again, because he's a moron. 96 00:05:53,920 --> 00:05:58,479 Speaker 1: That one makes me insane. Um not to open a 97 00:05:58,520 --> 00:06:02,960 Speaker 1: can of worms. I think Kester and Justin Tucker belong 98 00:06:03,000 --> 00:06:05,920 Speaker 1: on the Hall of Fame. See, I don't, but there's 99 00:06:06,040 --> 00:06:08,359 Speaker 1: a question. If they were great players, they would have 100 00:06:08,360 --> 00:06:10,799 Speaker 1: found the position to play you at. Well. Tucker is different. 101 00:06:10,839 --> 00:06:15,039 Speaker 1: I mean, he's yeah, But if Hester was that kind 102 00:06:15,080 --> 00:06:17,640 Speaker 1: of player, was that great because they tried him even 103 00:06:17,640 --> 00:06:20,560 Speaker 1: a corner, they tried everywhere else, but they couldn't find 104 00:06:20,560 --> 00:06:23,680 Speaker 1: a place for him, right except for that, But I 105 00:06:23,720 --> 00:06:27,039 Speaker 1: think he's the best returner ever. Tucker is the best 106 00:06:27,120 --> 00:06:30,640 Speaker 1: kicker ever. But there's two sides to that story. And 107 00:06:30,640 --> 00:06:33,279 Speaker 1: this is where you and labs I agree with does 108 00:06:33,320 --> 00:06:35,400 Speaker 1: he belong in the Hall of Fame? I think the 109 00:06:35,440 --> 00:06:38,440 Speaker 1: answer is yes on Hester, Yes on Tucker. Tasker is 110 00:06:38,480 --> 00:06:41,520 Speaker 1: not close. But does he belong in the Hall of Fame? 111 00:06:41,760 --> 00:06:48,400 Speaker 1: Over for someone that doesn't have to leave somebody off 112 00:06:48,400 --> 00:06:51,520 Speaker 1: of this list, that's a difference, conversation. Is a much 113 00:06:51,560 --> 00:06:54,080 Speaker 1: more deserving player who played a hell of a lot 114 00:06:54,120 --> 00:06:57,360 Speaker 1: more snaps in the NFL, who affected way games way 115 00:06:57,360 --> 00:07:01,599 Speaker 1: more than he did, Right, I agreed. I mean, but 116 00:07:02,320 --> 00:07:05,240 Speaker 1: Hester changed things, and I think Tucker changes things. Let's 117 00:07:05,240 --> 00:07:06,960 Speaker 1: put it this way. I mean, I said, as a fan, 118 00:07:07,000 --> 00:07:09,480 Speaker 1: I didn't even think I mean, like Tasker, I don't know. 119 00:07:09,520 --> 00:07:11,080 Speaker 1: I don't get that at all. I don't I don't 120 00:07:11,120 --> 00:07:13,320 Speaker 1: get it. I sat in that room and listened to 121 00:07:13,360 --> 00:07:16,720 Speaker 1: the listen to the argument because Sam Mills was a 122 00:07:16,760 --> 00:07:20,760 Speaker 1: finalist when I voted, he was one of the fifteen finalists. 123 00:07:20,800 --> 00:07:22,360 Speaker 1: And after sitting there and listen to him, like, yeah, 124 00:07:22,400 --> 00:07:24,960 Speaker 1: he was a pretty good player. You know, I didn't 125 00:07:25,040 --> 00:07:27,720 Speaker 1: vote for him, but he was a really good player. 126 00:07:27,720 --> 00:07:30,560 Speaker 1: You're gonna tell me that that Devin Hester is more 127 00:07:30,600 --> 00:07:35,200 Speaker 1: deserving than Sam Mills. I don't think Mills belongs. I 128 00:07:35,240 --> 00:07:39,000 Speaker 1: don't think he does either, But again Hester belongs. Yeah, 129 00:07:39,080 --> 00:07:42,640 Speaker 1: I mean again, there's two conversations. Is is this guy 130 00:07:42,720 --> 00:07:46,200 Speaker 1: hall of Famer? I say yes? Is he a Hall 131 00:07:46,240 --> 00:07:49,680 Speaker 1: of Fame? Or over the other period to make it 132 00:07:51,000 --> 00:07:55,480 Speaker 1: Jared Allen or heinz Ward, guys who probably are borderline 133 00:07:55,520 --> 00:07:58,320 Speaker 1: guys this year may have a chance. Maybe maybe not. 134 00:07:59,640 --> 00:08:02,000 Speaker 1: I'm not I can't put it. That's why this year 135 00:08:02,040 --> 00:08:04,040 Speaker 1: is a little different for me. I can't put it there. 136 00:08:05,640 --> 00:08:08,080 Speaker 1: I don't know that there's slam dunks or guys that 137 00:08:08,640 --> 00:08:11,320 Speaker 1: can't not to begin, Does he belong in the Hall 138 00:08:11,320 --> 00:08:14,360 Speaker 1: of Fame over Zach Thomas? I think yes. I don't 139 00:08:14,360 --> 00:08:17,880 Speaker 1: know there Zach Thomas was a finalist the year that 140 00:08:17,920 --> 00:08:21,480 Speaker 1: I and there's a strong case for a lot like Mills. 141 00:08:21,600 --> 00:08:23,240 Speaker 1: You know, no, I get that. In fact, I thought 142 00:08:23,240 --> 00:08:25,720 Speaker 1: there was a stronger case for Thomas than Mills. I 143 00:08:25,760 --> 00:08:28,280 Speaker 1: think there is period. Yeah, I would have a less 144 00:08:28,360 --> 00:08:31,280 Speaker 1: problem with Thomas going in the Mills. You know, did 145 00:08:31,280 --> 00:08:34,600 Speaker 1: he affect the game more than Ricky Waters over the 146 00:08:34,640 --> 00:08:38,040 Speaker 1: course of his career. Ricky Waters is a far better player. 147 00:08:39,040 --> 00:08:42,920 Speaker 1: He's much different. But he he touched the ball five 148 00:08:42,960 --> 00:08:46,320 Speaker 1: times a game for six years. Okay, I mean, I 149 00:08:46,320 --> 00:08:48,280 Speaker 1: mean I'll take any away from Waters either. I mean, 150 00:08:48,320 --> 00:08:52,000 Speaker 1: all those guys are awesome, but justin Tucker to me, 151 00:08:52,679 --> 00:08:56,320 Speaker 1: has won his team many games. That's great. You know, 152 00:08:56,400 --> 00:08:58,679 Speaker 1: I don't think Adam Vinitary belongs in either. I think 153 00:08:59,640 --> 00:09:01,160 Speaker 1: is the only one. And don't you gotta do that 154 00:09:01,840 --> 00:09:04,679 Speaker 1: If you want to do that, create a special special 155 00:09:04,679 --> 00:09:07,920 Speaker 1: teams wing, Yeah, put somebody in once every five years. 156 00:09:07,960 --> 00:09:11,000 Speaker 1: There's a special team. That's the answer. Yeah. And but 157 00:09:11,360 --> 00:09:13,600 Speaker 1: even Tasker wouldn't get in for them. Don't keep a 158 00:09:13,600 --> 00:09:16,280 Speaker 1: guy out. Ricky Watters, by the way, finished with ten thousand, 159 00:09:16,280 --> 00:09:18,800 Speaker 1: sixty three rushing yards, so he was awesome. It was 160 00:09:18,840 --> 00:09:21,200 Speaker 1: great with his two teams. He was a legit. You 161 00:09:21,240 --> 00:09:23,720 Speaker 1: know Fred Taylor, I mean, I mean all his name, 162 00:09:23,760 --> 00:09:28,760 Speaker 1: I mean Ricky Waters. Seven thousand yard seasons. Yeah, anyways, 163 00:09:28,800 --> 00:09:31,959 Speaker 1: it was that he has a case because also and 164 00:09:32,040 --> 00:09:35,200 Speaker 1: he caught the ball four than sixty seven catches, which 165 00:09:35,240 --> 00:09:37,280 Speaker 1: for that era was always at the top. He had 166 00:09:37,280 --> 00:09:40,439 Speaker 1: almost fifteen thousand total yards in his career. I mean 167 00:09:40,840 --> 00:09:44,199 Speaker 1: he was first or second pick in Fantasy League type 168 00:09:44,200 --> 00:09:47,240 Speaker 1: of guy. Yeah, he's and Fred Taylor is the same. 169 00:09:47,280 --> 00:09:49,720 Speaker 1: I can't put Devin Hester in him ahead of those 170 00:09:49,720 --> 00:09:54,319 Speaker 1: guys and Fred Taylor Ricky Waters haven't really gotten any push. Yeah, 171 00:09:54,440 --> 00:09:57,040 Speaker 1: like they're better, they're better players. I mean to me, 172 00:09:57,120 --> 00:10:00,280 Speaker 1: they're as good as Curtis Martin, who's in Trelda is 173 00:10:00,440 --> 00:10:04,360 Speaker 1: Ricky Waters that over career carries that's a lot of 174 00:10:04,520 --> 00:10:06,200 Speaker 1: more than I thought. To be honest with you, a 175 00:10:06,200 --> 00:10:09,280 Speaker 1: lot of wear and tear right, And your point is strong, 176 00:10:09,720 --> 00:10:12,880 Speaker 1: and really I get. I think what my my point 177 00:10:13,000 --> 00:10:15,680 Speaker 1: is is, if you're the very best it's ever done it, 178 00:10:15,760 --> 00:10:17,880 Speaker 1: you belong in the Hall of fame. But I don't 179 00:10:17,880 --> 00:10:20,280 Speaker 1: knows he is. Is he better than Gail Sayers? No, 180 00:10:20,360 --> 00:10:26,360 Speaker 1: I'm talking about Tucker Hester. Yeah, especially Haster versus versus 181 00:10:26,400 --> 00:10:28,079 Speaker 1: Gayl says, Okay, I mean, if you have to go 182 00:10:28,160 --> 00:10:31,520 Speaker 1: back seventy years to find the closest throughout the name 183 00:10:31,559 --> 00:10:33,719 Speaker 1: of the guy who is considered the greatest ever doing, 184 00:10:33,720 --> 00:10:37,280 Speaker 1: I mean, there's the Dante Hales. Because here's the here's 185 00:10:37,280 --> 00:10:40,839 Speaker 1: the problem with that. For the last fifteen years were 186 00:10:41,480 --> 00:10:43,720 Speaker 1: Tarry He's the best kicker ever. But I don't believe 187 00:10:43,720 --> 00:10:46,160 Speaker 1: that now all of a sudden, Justin tuckers and and 188 00:10:46,280 --> 00:10:49,839 Speaker 1: he is a better kicker than Vine. Yeah, what happens now? 189 00:10:50,280 --> 00:10:53,120 Speaker 1: Tucker has been a weapon. Let's say, you know, two 190 00:10:53,200 --> 00:10:55,080 Speaker 1: years from now, somebody else comes in the league and 191 00:10:55,080 --> 00:10:58,680 Speaker 1: this guy is better than Justin Tucker, that he does 192 00:10:58,720 --> 00:11:01,440 Speaker 1: it for fifteen years. Yeah, uh. But I think we 193 00:11:01,520 --> 00:11:05,880 Speaker 1: both agree the system is a little flawed in that 194 00:11:06,120 --> 00:11:09,720 Speaker 1: comparing a guarden a kicker, to say, it's almost comparing 195 00:11:09,720 --> 00:11:11,959 Speaker 1: a guard and a wide receiver or a guarden in 196 00:11:12,040 --> 00:11:13,920 Speaker 1: a running that's hard enough. They don't there's there's no 197 00:11:13,960 --> 00:11:15,800 Speaker 1: stats for these guys. I mean, I had to make 198 00:11:15,840 --> 00:11:18,560 Speaker 1: that argument for Alan Fannikin and those guys don't get it. 199 00:11:18,559 --> 00:11:22,400 Speaker 1: I mean again, will Ford Seymour, you know those guys, 200 00:11:22,400 --> 00:11:24,000 Speaker 1: there's nothing on the back of the football card. You know, 201 00:11:24,080 --> 00:11:25,720 Speaker 1: Cam Heyward's going to have a hell of a time 202 00:11:25,720 --> 00:11:28,400 Speaker 1: getting any you know, trying to get into the people 203 00:11:28,400 --> 00:11:31,000 Speaker 1: ask all days, Cam Heyward a Hall of Famer. Probably 204 00:11:31,040 --> 00:11:34,800 Speaker 1: not because based on stats, you know, you're gonna look 205 00:11:34,840 --> 00:11:36,920 Speaker 1: at and go, well, you know, there are people. There 206 00:11:36,920 --> 00:11:38,880 Speaker 1: were people arguing he didn't have much of an impact 207 00:11:38,960 --> 00:11:41,840 Speaker 1: on that game on Sunday because he only had two tackles. 208 00:11:42,200 --> 00:11:43,800 Speaker 1: You're out of your You're you're out of your mind. 209 00:11:44,200 --> 00:11:47,840 Speaker 1: Watch the game. They were run for ten yards to carry. Yeah, 210 00:11:48,800 --> 00:11:50,679 Speaker 1: watched the game. The game. I mean, he's the most 211 00:11:50,720 --> 00:11:53,960 Speaker 1: impactful guy around. He's the most impactful defensive lineman not 212 00:11:54,080 --> 00:11:56,160 Speaker 1: named Aaron Donald right now in my opinion, you know, 213 00:11:57,040 --> 00:12:02,040 Speaker 1: um yeah, So I didn't plan on going down this road, 214 00:12:02,080 --> 00:12:06,480 Speaker 1: but I brought it up because there's this class. There's 215 00:12:06,520 --> 00:12:09,839 Speaker 1: not a slam doctor, you know. So I do think 216 00:12:09,920 --> 00:12:14,800 Speaker 1: that the the Holts and Seymour's and especially Biselli's have 217 00:12:14,840 --> 00:12:17,160 Speaker 1: a better chance than they have in recent years. I 218 00:12:17,160 --> 00:12:19,280 Speaker 1: would absolutely agree. And you've got to clean some of 219 00:12:19,320 --> 00:12:22,120 Speaker 1: that up before you can start putting it again. That's 220 00:12:22,120 --> 00:12:23,560 Speaker 1: why I don't think any of the first time. Guys 221 00:12:23,640 --> 00:12:26,320 Speaker 1: make it this year, right, I mean, Andre Johnson's great, 222 00:12:26,320 --> 00:12:30,000 Speaker 1: Steve Smith's great, all those things. But back to the 223 00:12:30,000 --> 00:12:32,440 Speaker 1: there are they Are they better than Tory Holt? Are 224 00:12:32,440 --> 00:12:35,800 Speaker 1: they better than Reggie Wayne? You know it's Alvin Johnson was, 225 00:12:35,960 --> 00:12:38,360 Speaker 1: you know, but those guys aren't. They're they're all the 226 00:12:38,440 --> 00:12:41,000 Speaker 1: same tier, you know, So you clean up the old ones. 227 00:12:41,320 --> 00:12:44,960 Speaker 1: But your suggestion is the best one is every decade 228 00:12:45,040 --> 00:12:47,040 Speaker 1: you'll put in a special team and they have their 229 00:12:47,040 --> 00:12:50,160 Speaker 1: own little wing. And I think that's same with non players. 230 00:12:50,200 --> 00:12:53,320 Speaker 1: To like, with all respect to Steve Sable, if I 231 00:12:53,360 --> 00:12:56,920 Speaker 1: have to pick between Streeve Sable and Jerome Bettis, do 232 00:12:57,000 --> 00:12:59,480 Speaker 1: that in the contributor world, you know, that's just odd 233 00:12:59,480 --> 00:13:01,640 Speaker 1: to be. I mean that that is actually a separate 234 00:13:01,720 --> 00:13:05,480 Speaker 1: vote that you know, those guys are are owners with 235 00:13:05,520 --> 00:13:08,480 Speaker 1: the with the they have a special contributors and they 236 00:13:08,520 --> 00:13:10,440 Speaker 1: get their own thing and they it's usually a rubber 237 00:13:10,440 --> 00:13:13,920 Speaker 1: stamp and they can win. Um. But even that's gotten 238 00:13:13,960 --> 00:13:15,720 Speaker 1: watered down a little bit, a little bit. You know, 239 00:13:15,720 --> 00:13:18,480 Speaker 1: it's almost like if you're any commissioner that lasts more 240 00:13:18,480 --> 00:13:20,839 Speaker 1: than five or ten years, pretty much gets in and 241 00:13:21,400 --> 00:13:25,440 Speaker 1: owners should every owner that lasts a long time, and 242 00:13:25,520 --> 00:13:27,720 Speaker 1: his team's pretty darn good get in. I mean, I 243 00:13:27,720 --> 00:13:30,520 Speaker 1: know it's their league. I'm certainly not cutting on the 244 00:13:30,559 --> 00:13:32,800 Speaker 1: Rooneys or anything to have two of them in. But 245 00:13:33,480 --> 00:13:35,320 Speaker 1: does every owner deserve to go to the Hall of Fame? 246 00:13:35,360 --> 00:13:38,800 Speaker 1: But some kind of impact, right, Like Jerry Jones did 247 00:13:38,840 --> 00:13:43,200 Speaker 1: a lot in terms of revenue and endorsements and things 248 00:13:43,240 --> 00:13:45,640 Speaker 1: like that. To me, that's why Dan and Rooney's in 249 00:13:45,720 --> 00:13:48,800 Speaker 1: because of everything that he did with TV and then 250 00:13:49,040 --> 00:13:51,520 Speaker 1: you know, behind the scenes, Model should be in the 251 00:13:51,520 --> 00:13:54,240 Speaker 1: Hall of Fame. Right. People hate to hear that they 252 00:13:54,280 --> 00:13:56,720 Speaker 1: won't ever happen because the Hall of Fame is in Kenton, 253 00:13:57,160 --> 00:14:00,280 Speaker 1: But aren't Modell was played a big factor in the 254 00:14:00,280 --> 00:14:03,680 Speaker 1: TV deals as well. Yeah, the league isn't one of 255 00:14:03,720 --> 00:14:05,920 Speaker 1: the Hall of Fame arguments. I kind of like is 256 00:14:06,559 --> 00:14:08,600 Speaker 1: can you write the history of the league without mentioning 257 00:14:08,600 --> 00:14:10,760 Speaker 1: that name? Right? You know you can't without Dan Rooney? 258 00:14:10,800 --> 00:14:14,160 Speaker 1: Can that a couple of those owners? Do? You You absolutely cannot? 259 00:14:14,200 --> 00:14:17,720 Speaker 1: You know? Without question? Um you know so, I I 260 00:14:17,920 --> 00:14:19,840 Speaker 1: to me, this is gonna be this would be a 261 00:14:19,880 --> 00:14:23,320 Speaker 1: really interesting one. Boy. There'll be some battles in this 262 00:14:23,360 --> 00:14:26,840 Speaker 1: one behind him because they all have even getting to 263 00:14:26,880 --> 00:14:29,160 Speaker 1: the final fifteen, and this one is going to be 264 00:14:29,160 --> 00:14:34,080 Speaker 1: because who are the obvious knows? I quite remember the list, 265 00:14:34,320 --> 00:14:39,240 Speaker 1: remember Eric Allen's McAllen was kind of like me, Um. 266 00:14:39,520 --> 00:14:41,920 Speaker 1: I I know the Bengals people probably won't want to 267 00:14:41,960 --> 00:14:43,920 Speaker 1: hear this, but I don't see Willie Anderson. I never 268 00:14:43,960 --> 00:14:45,960 Speaker 1: thought of him in that light, but I've heard that 269 00:14:46,520 --> 00:14:49,200 Speaker 1: you talked to some Bengals people and he's definitely one 270 00:14:49,200 --> 00:14:52,880 Speaker 1: of the best players in history, and that was Ken Anderson. 271 00:14:52,880 --> 00:14:55,280 Speaker 1: I'd say, yes, yeah, right right, I'm just ct on 272 00:14:55,320 --> 00:14:58,000 Speaker 1: the Bengals right right. I think he's a no to me, 273 00:14:58,080 --> 00:15:00,120 Speaker 1: like Basselli's a tear ahead of him, and my is 274 00:15:00,200 --> 00:15:02,400 Speaker 1: Ronde Barber Hall of Famer. I don't think. I don't 275 00:15:02,400 --> 00:15:04,560 Speaker 1: think so. I know some people have four Hall of 276 00:15:04,560 --> 00:15:06,800 Speaker 1: Famers off of that defense that won one Super Bowl. 277 00:15:07,040 --> 00:15:08,480 Speaker 1: It was good for like two or three years. That 278 00:15:08,520 --> 00:15:11,040 Speaker 1: would be if that was if the Shade Townsend played 279 00:15:11,400 --> 00:15:13,640 Speaker 1: in that defense, he would have been Ronde Barber. It 280 00:15:13,800 --> 00:15:17,160 Speaker 1: was that style. Yeah yeah, right, nice stone cornerback. But 281 00:15:17,600 --> 00:15:19,800 Speaker 1: SAPs started to drink. Yeah, you know they needed a 282 00:15:19,840 --> 00:15:23,080 Speaker 1: three technique in that you know, Um, like you mentioned 283 00:15:23,080 --> 00:15:25,960 Speaker 1: Mills and Thomas. I'm not saying I cut them off 284 00:15:26,000 --> 00:15:28,200 Speaker 1: the list, but Willis is ahead of them in my opinion. 285 00:15:28,280 --> 00:15:32,080 Speaker 1: You know, if you're just going but he was only 286 00:15:32,160 --> 00:15:34,200 Speaker 1: he was available, or it should have the year that 287 00:15:34,200 --> 00:15:36,920 Speaker 1: I voted two years ago. Yeah, he didn't make the cut, 288 00:15:36,960 --> 00:15:38,760 Speaker 1: and those two did, and those two did, I remember, 289 00:15:38,880 --> 00:15:42,640 Speaker 1: which doesn't make any sense to me. Sometimes I wonder, 290 00:15:42,680 --> 00:15:44,920 Speaker 1: and you've only done it one year. It was their 291 00:15:45,000 --> 00:15:49,040 Speaker 1: presentation just better or well, you know the fifteen again, 292 00:15:49,200 --> 00:15:51,640 Speaker 1: it's the it's the committee that pairs that down. You 293 00:15:51,640 --> 00:15:54,040 Speaker 1: don't stand on the table for guy at that point, 294 00:15:54,080 --> 00:15:57,640 Speaker 1: doesn't until you get the fifteen. Um is Robert Mathis 295 00:15:57,640 --> 00:16:00,440 Speaker 1: a Hall of Famer. I don't think so. I don't 296 00:16:00,440 --> 00:16:06,440 Speaker 1: think so either. Freey Is when his time comes, I mean, um, yeah, 297 00:16:06,440 --> 00:16:08,320 Speaker 1: I think Mathis would be one of my first. Marcus 298 00:16:08,320 --> 00:16:11,120 Speaker 1: Where's an interesting one. He's a yes to me. I 299 00:16:11,160 --> 00:16:14,080 Speaker 1: don't think he put him in right away. Though he's 300 00:16:14,080 --> 00:16:18,320 Speaker 1: not Lawrence Taylor, Derek Thomas, he's not Bruce Smith. Um. 301 00:16:18,400 --> 00:16:21,240 Speaker 1: He's a little cut above those other edges. To me, though, 302 00:16:21,400 --> 00:16:24,080 Speaker 1: I would rather play against Jared Allen or Mathist than 303 00:16:24,160 --> 00:16:27,080 Speaker 1: where I don't think will work makes the final fifteen 304 00:16:27,080 --> 00:16:29,560 Speaker 1: in his first year. I had no idea on that one. 305 00:16:29,880 --> 00:16:33,160 Speaker 1: I just obviously because you're gonna ask me, here's and 306 00:16:33,200 --> 00:16:35,600 Speaker 1: here's why are they going to have three defensive tackles 307 00:16:35,600 --> 00:16:37,640 Speaker 1: in the final fifth team? Because I think Seymour gets 308 00:16:37,640 --> 00:16:40,000 Speaker 1: there and I think Young gets there. I forgot about 309 00:16:40,000 --> 00:16:44,600 Speaker 1: Young because Young's a underrated, really good player. I don't 310 00:16:44,600 --> 00:16:46,600 Speaker 1: think he ever gets in. He didn't have the stats either, 311 00:16:46,600 --> 00:16:48,280 Speaker 1: He has no status either. Doesn't just say it wasn't 312 00:16:48,280 --> 00:16:52,040 Speaker 1: a pass rusher. I mean their their presentation for him, Um, 313 00:16:52,120 --> 00:16:56,760 Speaker 1: when I sat there with well, he was named the team, uh, 314 00:16:56,880 --> 00:16:59,280 Speaker 1: the team's best player three years or something like. You know, 315 00:16:59,320 --> 00:17:01,960 Speaker 1: they get this voted for some awards for the forty 316 00:17:02,040 --> 00:17:04,800 Speaker 1: niners that they only give to you know, and they 317 00:17:04,880 --> 00:17:06,679 Speaker 1: name some of the other guys in one of them, like, okay, 318 00:17:06,920 --> 00:17:11,120 Speaker 1: he's not them, right. I mean there's probably some bad 319 00:17:11,240 --> 00:17:13,040 Speaker 1: names on that list too. I mean I voted for 320 00:17:13,119 --> 00:17:14,960 Speaker 1: the nature of the position. I voted for Seymour over 321 00:17:15,000 --> 00:17:17,960 Speaker 1: Bryant Young. I would do, yeah, I thought he would. 322 00:17:18,520 --> 00:17:20,520 Speaker 1: He was a better pass rusher. He impacted the game 323 00:17:20,600 --> 00:17:24,359 Speaker 1: more like Seemore in a different system would have been 324 00:17:25,119 --> 00:17:27,960 Speaker 1: better numbers too. Here's my fear, and I'm sure you're 325 00:17:28,000 --> 00:17:31,040 Speaker 1: on board with me. I hope five years from now 326 00:17:31,760 --> 00:17:35,040 Speaker 1: the presenters aren't like but his Pro Football Focus grades. 327 00:17:35,480 --> 00:17:39,760 Speaker 1: You know, I don't even start centers guards offensive because 328 00:17:39,760 --> 00:17:44,600 Speaker 1: it's going to come up the Pro Football Reference ratings. Okay, 329 00:17:45,000 --> 00:17:47,280 Speaker 1: people was brought up because they have the Hall of 330 00:17:47,359 --> 00:17:49,920 Speaker 1: Fame monitor. Yeah, which I think is they do a 331 00:17:50,000 --> 00:17:51,760 Speaker 1: very good job. I'm not sure how they come up 332 00:17:51,760 --> 00:17:55,040 Speaker 1: with their numbers and Pro Bowls and All Pros, tackles 333 00:17:55,040 --> 00:17:59,520 Speaker 1: and all that are in your against other Hall of 334 00:17:59,560 --> 00:18:03,359 Speaker 1: Fame player. It's almost like a draft profile, Like his 335 00:18:03,480 --> 00:18:05,720 Speaker 1: forties the same as this guy, and he's the same 336 00:18:06,080 --> 00:18:08,199 Speaker 1: arm length, and this is who he profiles to be. 337 00:18:08,320 --> 00:18:09,959 Speaker 1: In fact, I guess that makes sense. I can look 338 00:18:10,000 --> 00:18:11,720 Speaker 1: at it here. Let's see if they've updated yet since 339 00:18:11,720 --> 00:18:14,320 Speaker 1: he's have now been they probably at least have the 340 00:18:14,400 --> 00:18:19,000 Speaker 1: last year's guys, and who has remember you saying Fannika's 341 00:18:19,080 --> 00:18:21,639 Speaker 1: case was the strongest of all that he had the 342 00:18:21,640 --> 00:18:23,640 Speaker 1: best for a couple of years. He had the best 343 00:18:23,760 --> 00:18:25,920 Speaker 1: US you know, stats of all those guys. But it 344 00:18:25,920 --> 00:18:28,160 Speaker 1: will make me crazy if I'm hearing people like but look, 345 00:18:28,200 --> 00:18:31,120 Speaker 1: he was top five and Pro Football Focuses center ratings 346 00:18:31,119 --> 00:18:33,880 Speaker 1: for three years in a row. So looking at them 347 00:18:33,920 --> 00:18:36,720 Speaker 1: just I just called up the defensive tackles. Yeah, which 348 00:18:36,760 --> 00:18:38,960 Speaker 1: Will I don't know how you do, Will fork Um. 349 00:18:39,040 --> 00:18:42,320 Speaker 1: The average Hall of Fame defensive tackle scored one six 350 00:18:42,359 --> 00:18:44,840 Speaker 1: team in the Hall of Fame monitor on Pro Football Reference. 351 00:18:45,560 --> 00:18:49,199 Speaker 1: There are that's the only guys ahead of that. Alan Page, 352 00:18:49,520 --> 00:18:52,760 Speaker 1: who's the top defense. He is the highest grade. Bob Lilly, 353 00:18:52,840 --> 00:18:57,680 Speaker 1: Randy White, Joe Green, John Randall, Warren Sap, Aaron Donald's 354 00:18:57,680 --> 00:19:02,760 Speaker 1: already att of guys on Merlin Olsen won sixteen point 355 00:19:02,960 --> 00:19:05,840 Speaker 1: six five the average Hall of Famers at one sixteen. 356 00:19:06,840 --> 00:19:09,000 Speaker 1: Kevin Williams is right below that at one oh five. 357 00:19:09,760 --> 00:19:11,560 Speaker 1: He's an interesting name to me because I thought he 358 00:19:11,640 --> 00:19:15,879 Speaker 1: was awesome and kind of got overlooked in his career, 359 00:19:16,000 --> 00:19:18,920 Speaker 1: Like I might put him in over Briant Young Cortes 360 00:19:19,040 --> 00:19:22,600 Speaker 1: Kennedy came in at one two. Henry Jordan, another Hall 361 00:19:22,640 --> 00:19:26,200 Speaker 1: of Famer Dominicans Sue and comes in. There's a big 362 00:19:26,280 --> 00:19:28,880 Speaker 1: jump there from between Henry Jordan had a one point 363 00:19:28,960 --> 00:19:31,680 Speaker 1: seven eight score. Sue is all the way down to 364 00:19:31,760 --> 00:19:34,240 Speaker 1: eighty two point eight he's a note to me. Yeah, 365 00:19:34,400 --> 00:19:38,640 Speaker 1: I don't think so either. Um Alex Alex Carris came 366 00:19:38,680 --> 00:19:40,520 Speaker 1: in at seventy seven point three. He's in the Hall 367 00:19:40,560 --> 00:19:43,720 Speaker 1: of Fame. Buck Buchanan at sixty six point seven fives 368 00:19:43,720 --> 00:19:46,879 Speaker 1: in the Hall of Fame. But you've got Geno Atkins 369 00:19:46,920 --> 00:19:48,679 Speaker 1: at seventy six point three three. He's not a Hall 370 00:19:48,680 --> 00:19:52,200 Speaker 1: of Famer. Fletcher Cox at seventy two point eight five. 371 00:19:52,440 --> 00:19:55,160 Speaker 1: Probably not, Probably not at this point. Tom c Stick 372 00:19:55,520 --> 00:19:58,000 Speaker 1: or say Stick, I should say, at sixty nine point 373 00:19:58,040 --> 00:20:01,719 Speaker 1: oh three. Bryant Young comes in at sixty eight mm. 374 00:20:03,160 --> 00:20:05,880 Speaker 1: Hellodi Nada comes in at sixty four point five three. 375 00:20:06,160 --> 00:20:11,480 Speaker 1: Did you make any case for him? M's two time 376 00:20:11,520 --> 00:20:17,520 Speaker 1: All Pro le Roy Glover, Ernie Lad Steve McMichael. Vince 377 00:20:17,520 --> 00:20:19,880 Speaker 1: Wilford comes all the way in at fifty fifty eight 378 00:20:19,920 --> 00:20:22,480 Speaker 1: point eight five. He was a one time All Pro, 379 00:20:22,640 --> 00:20:27,040 Speaker 1: five time Pro Bowl player. It's just not enough. It's 380 00:20:27,080 --> 00:20:30,560 Speaker 1: just not enough important to Yeah, super Bowl winning. I 381 00:20:30,640 --> 00:20:33,560 Speaker 1: mean Casey Hampton comes in at forty seven point seven 382 00:20:33,600 --> 00:20:36,000 Speaker 1: eight and those two are in the same tier. Five 383 00:20:36,080 --> 00:20:38,720 Speaker 1: time Pro Bowl player, never made All Pro, one two 384 00:20:38,720 --> 00:20:43,560 Speaker 1: Super Bowls. Yeah, I don't know. Maybe I'm crazy about this, 385 00:20:43,680 --> 00:20:46,119 Speaker 1: but I kind of feel like will fork in Hampton, 386 00:20:46,160 --> 00:20:48,320 Speaker 1: and I'm not making a case at Hampton's Hall of 387 00:20:48,359 --> 00:20:51,200 Speaker 1: Fame because he's never going to. They're really not much 388 00:20:51,240 --> 00:20:54,040 Speaker 1: different than Fannika and Hutchinson to me, right, yeah, I 389 00:20:54,040 --> 00:20:55,720 Speaker 1: mean they were the best to it or read in 390 00:20:55,720 --> 00:20:57,520 Speaker 1: Paula Maloo. I mean they were the best too at 391 00:20:57,520 --> 00:21:00,320 Speaker 1: their position for a long time. Richard Seymour's said as 392 00:21:00,320 --> 00:21:03,879 Speaker 1: a defensive end, that probably hurts the average score, but 393 00:21:03,920 --> 00:21:05,959 Speaker 1: here you go at the average score for average Hall 394 00:21:06,000 --> 00:21:08,600 Speaker 1: of Fame defensive end is one, one oh five. That's 395 00:21:08,640 --> 00:21:11,760 Speaker 1: his score. The guys above that are Reggie White, Bruce Smith, 396 00:21:11,920 --> 00:21:18,160 Speaker 1: Jackie young Blood, Deacon Jones, Michael Strahan, Yeah, j J. Watt, Yeah, 397 00:21:18,160 --> 00:21:22,720 Speaker 1: he's an obvious one, Willie Davis, Julius Peppers, who's eligible 398 00:21:22,760 --> 00:21:26,919 Speaker 1: next year, I think, Carl Eller, and then your average 399 00:21:26,920 --> 00:21:29,120 Speaker 1: Hall of famers at one oh five. Jason Taylor made 400 00:21:29,119 --> 00:21:32,200 Speaker 1: it at eight. He went to last year. Seymour is 401 00:21:32,240 --> 00:21:36,800 Speaker 1: at nine five, ahead of Howie Long, ahead of Chris Doleman, 402 00:21:36,840 --> 00:21:40,280 Speaker 1: ahead of Dan Hampton, ahead of Lee Roy Selman, Richard Dent, 403 00:21:40,520 --> 00:21:43,479 Speaker 1: Charles Haley, Claude Humphrey, these are guys that are all 404 00:21:43,520 --> 00:21:45,439 Speaker 1: in the Hall of Yeah, and they're all different style 405 00:21:45,480 --> 00:21:49,320 Speaker 1: players than him too. Now, Hayward, I'll take him over 406 00:21:49,359 --> 00:21:51,679 Speaker 1: almost every name you mentioned there, Maybe not Haley, but 407 00:21:51,800 --> 00:21:55,159 Speaker 1: Haley's forty pounds different than him. Hayward is listed as 408 00:21:55,200 --> 00:21:59,120 Speaker 1: a defensive end here him. Well, his score right now 409 00:21:59,200 --> 00:22:02,840 Speaker 1: is forty seven point at won five. Um, he's actually 410 00:22:02,840 --> 00:22:05,480 Speaker 1: ahead of Robert Mathis, though he's that a better career 411 00:22:05,520 --> 00:22:08,439 Speaker 1: than I mean, there are many There aren't many guys, 412 00:22:08,480 --> 00:22:11,120 Speaker 1: and there are very few active guys who are ahead 413 00:22:11,119 --> 00:22:13,920 Speaker 1: of them, even as a defensive end, right right right, Um, 414 00:22:13,960 --> 00:22:16,600 Speaker 1: if you moved him over to defensive tackle, that may 415 00:22:16,680 --> 00:22:19,960 Speaker 1: change some things a little bit. But yeah, I mean 416 00:22:20,320 --> 00:22:22,840 Speaker 1: he's getting into his body works pretty impressive. The guys 417 00:22:22,880 --> 00:22:25,280 Speaker 1: around him, uh, the guys right ahead of him. You're 418 00:22:25,280 --> 00:22:30,200 Speaker 1: looking at Simon and Rice Lyle Alzado, Charles Mann, Ron McDole, 419 00:22:31,000 --> 00:22:35,080 Speaker 1: Kevin Carter, Clyde Simmons, and George Andre. He's better than 420 00:22:35,119 --> 00:22:37,080 Speaker 1: all those players. Yeah, I mean, none of those guys 421 00:22:37,080 --> 00:22:40,760 Speaker 1: even sniffs the Hall of Fame. Elvin Bethea is behind him. 422 00:22:40,840 --> 00:22:43,200 Speaker 1: I think he's in, isn't it. Yeah, he's Veterans Committee. 423 00:22:43,200 --> 00:22:46,960 Speaker 1: Here was the Veterans Committee a couple of years ago. Um, 424 00:22:47,119 --> 00:22:51,399 Speaker 1: real quick on matthis Fred Dean at eight five is 425 00:22:51,440 --> 00:22:54,320 Speaker 1: in and people talk about him as a dominant player. 426 00:22:54,359 --> 00:22:57,400 Speaker 1: I can't say I can comment enough, but some people 427 00:22:57,440 --> 00:22:59,800 Speaker 1: he's the lowest rated defensive end at forty three point 428 00:23:00,200 --> 00:23:02,320 Speaker 1: and he's in, right, Yeah, he's in. But he also 429 00:23:03,040 --> 00:23:05,040 Speaker 1: won a couple of Super Bowls. Yeah, he was on 430 00:23:05,080 --> 00:23:08,040 Speaker 1: good teams with Chargers and the Niners. Real quick on 431 00:23:08,119 --> 00:23:10,800 Speaker 1: mathis like, this is a hard thing to like hold 432 00:23:10,840 --> 00:23:14,399 Speaker 1: against you, but when that team was really constructed in 433 00:23:14,400 --> 00:23:16,919 Speaker 1: an interesting way to me was we have Peyton Manning 434 00:23:17,000 --> 00:23:18,960 Speaker 1: and we play in a dome, So where do we 435 00:23:19,000 --> 00:23:22,600 Speaker 1: go from there. We're gonna draft the first round skill guy, 436 00:23:22,920 --> 00:23:26,760 Speaker 1: like every year, whether it's Joseph Dye or Edgrin James 437 00:23:26,840 --> 00:23:30,360 Speaker 1: or Dallas Clark or Marvin or Wayne or I mean, 438 00:23:30,400 --> 00:23:32,680 Speaker 1: and there's some guys that didn't even hit. So we're 439 00:23:32,680 --> 00:23:36,160 Speaker 1: always gonna give Manning unbelievable skill position talent and he's 440 00:23:36,200 --> 00:23:39,760 Speaker 1: gonna put up forty every week. We have Saturday in place, 441 00:23:39,880 --> 00:23:41,600 Speaker 1: and we have a left tackle in place, the other 442 00:23:41,600 --> 00:23:45,520 Speaker 1: three offensive lineman, whatever the defense is going to play 443 00:23:45,560 --> 00:23:48,720 Speaker 1: a strict cover to linebackers are going to be cheap 444 00:23:48,800 --> 00:23:51,639 Speaker 1: labor fourth round picks. And we have two edge rushers 445 00:23:51,680 --> 00:23:53,440 Speaker 1: and that's all we need because we're always playing in 446 00:23:53,440 --> 00:23:55,600 Speaker 1: the lead in the dome. You know, like it doesn't 447 00:23:55,600 --> 00:23:58,920 Speaker 1: get any better. For mathis than that of her numbers 448 00:23:59,600 --> 00:24:03,240 Speaker 1: real quick? The Hines Ward his rankings, they're uh, the 449 00:24:03,280 --> 00:24:05,359 Speaker 1: guy read The guy ahead of him who's actually in 450 00:24:05,400 --> 00:24:07,320 Speaker 1: the Hall of Fame is Andre Reid at eighty two 451 00:24:07,359 --> 00:24:09,960 Speaker 1: point four. One see read that. I mean if Reid 452 00:24:10,000 --> 00:24:12,639 Speaker 1: doesn't have four straight appearance, isn't a super Bowl I 453 00:24:12,680 --> 00:24:14,800 Speaker 1: don't think he's a Hall of Famer either. Ward is 454 00:24:14,800 --> 00:24:18,760 Speaker 1: at seventy three point four. Oh, that's ahead of Fred Blitnikoff. 455 00:24:18,800 --> 00:24:22,280 Speaker 1: That's ahead of Lynn Swan. That's ahead of Harold Carmichael 456 00:24:22,280 --> 00:24:25,480 Speaker 1: who just went in. That's ahead of John Stalworth. That's 457 00:24:25,480 --> 00:24:27,640 Speaker 1: ahead of Bobby Mitchell who's in. That's ahead of Bob 458 00:24:27,680 --> 00:24:30,359 Speaker 1: Hayes who's in. And these aren't just numbers. This isn't 459 00:24:30,680 --> 00:24:36,600 Speaker 1: you know. This is Tommy McDonald is the last guy 460 00:24:36,640 --> 00:24:39,560 Speaker 1: that he's ahead of. So he's actually ahead of many 461 00:24:39,640 --> 00:24:42,399 Speaker 1: of the a number of guys who are in the 462 00:24:42,440 --> 00:24:45,359 Speaker 1: Hall of Fame UM. But there's a bunch of guys 463 00:24:45,359 --> 00:24:47,320 Speaker 1: who are ahead of him, and if you look at that, 464 00:24:47,440 --> 00:24:51,960 Speaker 1: it's a ton. Reggie Wayne is the average Hall of 465 00:24:51,960 --> 00:24:54,040 Speaker 1: Fame wide receiver has a score of one oh five. 466 00:24:54,400 --> 00:24:56,920 Speaker 1: Wayne's at one oh seven point one for Larry FitzGeralds 467 00:24:56,920 --> 00:25:00,840 Speaker 1: a nine. UM. That's the four the best all time. 468 00:25:00,840 --> 00:25:03,440 Speaker 1: He's the first time. He's the first balloket. Tory Holts 469 00:25:03,440 --> 00:25:05,639 Speaker 1: at one of five to two, so he's ahead of 470 00:25:05,880 --> 00:25:09,400 Speaker 1: the Julio Jones right now is one or three point 471 00:25:09,400 --> 00:25:12,560 Speaker 1: three four, he's going. Antonio Brown is one of two 472 00:25:12,560 --> 00:25:15,119 Speaker 1: point two three. I think he's an easy one. No 473 00:25:15,119 --> 00:25:17,080 Speaker 1: one seems to agree with. Steve Smith comes in at 474 00:25:17,160 --> 00:25:20,040 Speaker 1: ninety seven point nine, one of the first year guys. 475 00:25:20,080 --> 00:25:22,000 Speaker 1: I think he's got the best chance. I might even 476 00:25:22,040 --> 00:25:24,359 Speaker 1: say I would give it to him. He's on TV. 477 00:25:24,680 --> 00:25:26,359 Speaker 1: I mean that kind of stuff matters to you know, 478 00:25:26,400 --> 00:25:28,800 Speaker 1: Like I think he might be the You can't put 479 00:25:28,880 --> 00:25:30,960 Speaker 1: him in the head of these guys who've been waiting, 480 00:25:31,200 --> 00:25:34,400 Speaker 1: just can't happen. Can't happen. Reggie Wayne and Tory Holt 481 00:25:34,600 --> 00:25:37,320 Speaker 1: have to go in before Steve Smith. I don't know 482 00:25:37,359 --> 00:25:40,320 Speaker 1: who I would vote just based on the eyeball test, 483 00:25:40,359 --> 00:25:42,000 Speaker 1: and frankly I put all of on ahead of Hines 484 00:25:42,040 --> 00:25:45,520 Speaker 1: Ward those three. Yeah, so that I mean, it's interesting 485 00:25:45,800 --> 00:25:48,520 Speaker 1: monk in the Hall of Fame. That are fine, you know, yeah, 486 00:25:48,560 --> 00:25:52,800 Speaker 1: I mean the game changer, right, So we'll see how 487 00:25:52,840 --> 00:25:56,200 Speaker 1: it goes. But that's that's the Hall of Fame semifinalist. 488 00:25:57,080 --> 00:25:59,760 Speaker 1: It was interesting. We'll continue to keep that Ben is 489 00:25:59,760 --> 00:26:03,480 Speaker 1: an Steeler Hall of Famer. I would bet yes, yeah, probably, 490 00:26:03,560 --> 00:26:06,320 Speaker 1: that would be my guess. Yeah, it makes sense whenever 491 00:26:06,359 --> 00:26:09,800 Speaker 1: that might be yeah, right right, So anyways, he is 492 00:26:09,800 --> 00:26:12,120 Speaker 1: Matt Williamson. I'm Dale Lali. You're listening to the drive 493 00:26:12,160 --> 00:26:14,480 Speaker 1: here on Steelers Nation Radio. 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