1 00:00:00,920 --> 00:00:01,840 Speaker 1: Music Saved Me. 2 00:00:02,040 --> 00:00:04,680 Speaker 2: One of the things that I can say about the 3 00:00:04,720 --> 00:00:06,199 Speaker 2: Detroit music scene. 4 00:00:06,200 --> 00:00:08,280 Speaker 1: Is that if you enter it, it's like a. 5 00:00:08,160 --> 00:00:12,320 Speaker 2: Family, and that family perspective is part of the thing 6 00:00:12,560 --> 00:00:15,319 Speaker 2: that helped me developed not only as a musician, but 7 00:00:15,360 --> 00:00:18,319 Speaker 2: as a person, and also helped prevent me from getting 8 00:00:18,360 --> 00:00:21,320 Speaker 2: into some of the pitfalls that exists in being from 9 00:00:21,320 --> 00:00:25,680 Speaker 2: an urban environment. I can remember in the day, a 10 00:00:25,720 --> 00:00:27,360 Speaker 2: lot of my teachers will call me and say, Hey, 11 00:00:27,400 --> 00:00:29,400 Speaker 2: are you coming down to sit in with us tonight? 12 00:00:29,560 --> 00:00:31,240 Speaker 2: And at the same time I would get the same 13 00:00:31,280 --> 00:00:33,040 Speaker 2: call from my homies and they would say, you know, 14 00:00:33,120 --> 00:00:34,280 Speaker 2: let's go do something stupid. 15 00:00:34,640 --> 00:00:36,480 Speaker 1: You know, the good thing is that I chose music. 16 00:00:36,600 --> 00:00:39,960 Speaker 3: I'm Lynn Hoffman and welcome to another episode of the 17 00:00:40,080 --> 00:00:43,640 Speaker 3: Music Saved Me Podcast, where we showcase the force of 18 00:00:43,760 --> 00:00:47,520 Speaker 3: nature that we know in our lives called music. Our 19 00:00:47,560 --> 00:00:50,720 Speaker 3: guest is a neo classical pianist who's performed with the 20 00:00:50,880 --> 00:00:55,080 Speaker 3: likes of Rihanna and Justin Timberlake. Black Bawk knows the 21 00:00:55,120 --> 00:00:58,720 Speaker 3: power of music firsthand, growing up as a child prodigy 22 00:00:58,920 --> 00:01:02,280 Speaker 3: in the inner city of Detroit. So first, welcome to 23 00:01:02,320 --> 00:01:05,080 Speaker 3: the show. Tell everyone who you are and how has 24 00:01:05,200 --> 00:01:06,080 Speaker 3: music saved you. 25 00:01:06,440 --> 00:01:10,959 Speaker 2: Oh wow, Well, yes, music has saved me so many times. 26 00:01:12,720 --> 00:01:13,680 Speaker 1: My name is black Back. 27 00:01:13,840 --> 00:01:18,560 Speaker 2: I'm a neoclassical composer and pianist from Detroit, Michigan. And 28 00:01:18,640 --> 00:01:22,320 Speaker 2: that being said alone, being from Detroit, Michigan, music was 29 00:01:22,800 --> 00:01:25,720 Speaker 2: something that saved me a bit from the environment that 30 00:01:25,720 --> 00:01:29,160 Speaker 2: I was born and raised in. One of the things 31 00:01:29,200 --> 00:01:32,560 Speaker 2: that I can say about the Detroit music scene. 32 00:01:32,560 --> 00:01:35,640 Speaker 1: Is that if you enter it, it's. 33 00:01:35,440 --> 00:01:41,680 Speaker 2: Like a family, and that family perspective is part of 34 00:01:41,720 --> 00:01:44,360 Speaker 2: the thing that helped me developed not only as a 35 00:01:44,440 --> 00:01:48,560 Speaker 2: musician but as a person, and also helped prevent me 36 00:01:48,560 --> 00:01:52,040 Speaker 2: from getting into some of the pitfalls that exists being 37 00:01:52,080 --> 00:01:55,920 Speaker 2: from an urban environment. I can remember in the day, 38 00:01:56,920 --> 00:01:58,680 Speaker 2: a lot of my teachers will call me and say, hey, 39 00:01:58,720 --> 00:02:00,760 Speaker 2: are you coming down to sit in with us tonight? 40 00:02:01,400 --> 00:02:03,080 Speaker 2: And at the same time I would get the same 41 00:02:03,120 --> 00:02:04,880 Speaker 2: call from my homies and they would say, you know, 42 00:02:04,960 --> 00:02:08,240 Speaker 2: let's go do something stupid. And you know, it was 43 00:02:08,280 --> 00:02:11,640 Speaker 2: like this sort of choice of which one would I choose, 44 00:02:11,840 --> 00:02:14,560 Speaker 2: And you know, the good thing is that I chose music. 45 00:02:15,760 --> 00:02:18,680 Speaker 1: I felt that music was the thing that. 46 00:02:19,160 --> 00:02:22,160 Speaker 2: The vehicle that could get me from one environment and 47 00:02:22,200 --> 00:02:24,440 Speaker 2: could allow me to see the world, which it did. 48 00:02:25,160 --> 00:02:26,760 Speaker 1: And then when we speak about. 49 00:02:26,400 --> 00:02:30,240 Speaker 2: Mental health, and that has always been something that has 50 00:02:30,280 --> 00:02:33,520 Speaker 2: been a challenge for I think everyone. I always have 51 00:02:33,600 --> 00:02:36,840 Speaker 2: this quote that I say, which is, this world is 52 00:02:36,880 --> 00:02:40,880 Speaker 2: so complex that you need therapy. The reason why we 53 00:02:40,919 --> 00:02:43,360 Speaker 2: need therapy is that you need someone else to help 54 00:02:43,400 --> 00:02:46,080 Speaker 2: you kind of navigate the pitfalls of life. 55 00:02:46,080 --> 00:02:49,480 Speaker 1: This life has become very complex. For me. Therapy and 56 00:02:49,600 --> 00:02:51,919 Speaker 1: music have been kind of one and the same. 57 00:02:53,440 --> 00:02:57,360 Speaker 2: Yes, I have had external therapy, but the way that 58 00:02:57,440 --> 00:03:01,040 Speaker 2: I am able to express myself and have an outlet 59 00:03:01,240 --> 00:03:06,440 Speaker 2: is through music my writing. I think that music has 60 00:03:06,720 --> 00:03:09,880 Speaker 2: saved me time and time again, and not only just 61 00:03:10,040 --> 00:03:12,000 Speaker 2: in a physical way, but I said a mental and 62 00:03:12,040 --> 00:03:17,320 Speaker 2: spiritual way because of that strong connection to being a 63 00:03:17,440 --> 00:03:21,960 Speaker 2: creative and dodging some of the things that could potentially 64 00:03:22,000 --> 00:03:24,560 Speaker 2: be detrimental to my life. 65 00:03:25,520 --> 00:03:29,640 Speaker 3: So you feel music has therapeutic and healing forces. 66 00:03:30,160 --> 00:03:31,919 Speaker 1: Absolutely absolutely. 67 00:03:32,480 --> 00:03:36,160 Speaker 3: How has music impacted you, you know at a particularly 68 00:03:36,280 --> 00:03:38,000 Speaker 3: challenging time in your life? 69 00:03:38,600 --> 00:03:42,280 Speaker 2: Well, I can talk about twenty twenty, which was a 70 00:03:42,400 --> 00:03:44,040 Speaker 2: challenging time for all of us. 71 00:03:44,760 --> 00:03:46,920 Speaker 1: Being that you know it was the beginning of. 72 00:03:48,000 --> 00:03:52,040 Speaker 2: COVID in the lockdown and one of the things that 73 00:03:52,320 --> 00:03:55,920 Speaker 2: kept me sort of kept the balance of my life 74 00:03:56,000 --> 00:04:00,000 Speaker 2: during that crazy time was music. I wrote my first album, 75 00:04:00,120 --> 00:04:04,200 Speaker 2: Black Book, during that period, and the thing that was 76 00:04:05,840 --> 00:04:07,440 Speaker 2: very cool was that I was able to do it 77 00:04:07,480 --> 00:04:10,920 Speaker 2: in one hundred and twenty one consecutive days. So music 78 00:04:11,080 --> 00:04:14,040 Speaker 2: was the thing that kind of every day, you know, 79 00:04:14,120 --> 00:04:16,400 Speaker 2: while so many people were kind of going crazy, going 80 00:04:16,440 --> 00:04:20,000 Speaker 2: what do I do? I went, let me focus on music. 81 00:04:20,160 --> 00:04:21,919 Speaker 2: Music is going to be the thing that's going to 82 00:04:21,960 --> 00:04:27,000 Speaker 2: keep me very much balanced throughout this crazy process, and 83 00:04:27,600 --> 00:04:30,320 Speaker 2: it kind of worked. One hundred and twenty one consecutive days. 84 00:04:30,720 --> 00:04:33,280 Speaker 2: A couple months later, I signed a record deal and 85 00:04:33,320 --> 00:04:34,520 Speaker 2: the rest is ancient history. 86 00:04:34,960 --> 00:04:39,280 Speaker 3: Wow, congratulations on all that good focus. That's pretty incredible. 87 00:04:40,240 --> 00:04:43,240 Speaker 3: So what does it mean to have your music profoundly 88 00:04:43,360 --> 00:04:44,240 Speaker 3: impact others? 89 00:04:45,040 --> 00:04:47,560 Speaker 2: Oh, that's the reason that I do it. You know, 90 00:04:48,320 --> 00:04:50,920 Speaker 2: the reason that I do music is as an act 91 00:04:50,960 --> 00:04:55,479 Speaker 2: of service. It's important to me that that I'm putting 92 00:04:55,560 --> 00:05:02,320 Speaker 2: something into the world that represents love, that represents kindness, 93 00:05:02,360 --> 00:05:08,920 Speaker 2: that represents healing, that represents being emotionally just level. 94 00:05:11,600 --> 00:05:14,919 Speaker 1: For me, that's the goal, you know, that's like the 95 00:05:15,000 --> 00:05:15,960 Speaker 1: number one goal. 96 00:05:17,240 --> 00:05:22,960 Speaker 2: I believe that musicians have a great power, and to 97 00:05:23,240 --> 00:05:27,200 Speaker 2: use that power in a way that is of service 98 00:05:27,240 --> 00:05:31,000 Speaker 2: to others is exactly why we were given the power 99 00:05:31,000 --> 00:05:31,760 Speaker 2: in the first place. 100 00:05:32,839 --> 00:05:36,560 Speaker 1: So my music is all about that. 101 00:05:36,640 --> 00:05:39,160 Speaker 2: I always say that I want to be a walking 102 00:05:39,200 --> 00:05:43,359 Speaker 2: embodiment of what love is, and I want my music 103 00:05:43,400 --> 00:05:46,000 Speaker 2: to be a reflection of that walking embodiment of love. 104 00:05:46,560 --> 00:05:50,440 Speaker 3: I love that embodiment of love and great power. Indeed, 105 00:05:51,160 --> 00:05:56,160 Speaker 3: is there a particular musical genre or artists or bands 106 00:05:56,200 --> 00:06:00,560 Speaker 3: that have impacted you in certain situations that you found yourself, then. 107 00:06:00,960 --> 00:06:01,520 Speaker 1: I don't know. 108 00:06:01,640 --> 00:06:04,800 Speaker 2: I think all of them have impacted me. Each genre 109 00:06:04,839 --> 00:06:09,640 Speaker 2: has impacted me in a different way. Initially a hip 110 00:06:09,680 --> 00:06:12,400 Speaker 2: hop kid from the West Side of Detroit, I grew 111 00:06:12,440 --> 00:06:15,760 Speaker 2: up listening to R and B and motown. Of course, 112 00:06:17,880 --> 00:06:20,559 Speaker 2: jazz was very influential in my life, but I started 113 00:06:20,600 --> 00:06:23,320 Speaker 2: playing classical at the age of four, so it's just 114 00:06:23,400 --> 00:06:25,600 Speaker 2: been this whole mix up of everything. I think that 115 00:06:25,640 --> 00:06:29,240 Speaker 2: if more people listen to more, the more you expand 116 00:06:29,839 --> 00:06:32,200 Speaker 2: your listening, the more you're able to tap into different 117 00:06:32,200 --> 00:06:36,680 Speaker 2: emotions that come from different pieces of music. Sometimes people 118 00:06:37,200 --> 00:06:39,160 Speaker 2: I have friends that have you know, been in the 119 00:06:39,200 --> 00:06:41,760 Speaker 2: same room with me listening to something like, you know, 120 00:06:41,920 --> 00:06:44,000 Speaker 2: like Celtic music, and they're like, what are you listening to? 121 00:06:44,480 --> 00:06:47,160 Speaker 2: Saying you don't understand, you don't feel. You have to 122 00:06:47,200 --> 00:06:49,680 Speaker 2: just take a moment to feel what the story is 123 00:06:49,720 --> 00:06:53,000 Speaker 2: behind it. And each drama gives you a different piece 124 00:06:53,040 --> 00:06:58,520 Speaker 2: of information and that information can be used to be healing, 125 00:06:58,680 --> 00:07:02,160 Speaker 2: or to be uplift thing, or to tell a story. 126 00:07:02,240 --> 00:07:05,640 Speaker 2: And that's what music is for, is to bring us 127 00:07:06,160 --> 00:07:08,599 Speaker 2: out of our element and into someone else's world and 128 00:07:08,640 --> 00:07:11,360 Speaker 2: to allow us to see and view and witness a 129 00:07:11,400 --> 00:07:12,080 Speaker 2: different world. 130 00:07:12,760 --> 00:07:17,440 Speaker 3: I love it. How does expression on social issues impact 131 00:07:17,440 --> 00:07:18,360 Speaker 3: your view of music? 132 00:07:19,360 --> 00:07:24,040 Speaker 1: Oh, My music is very much based around social social 133 00:07:24,080 --> 00:07:25,640 Speaker 1: issues and the impact that they have. 134 00:07:27,520 --> 00:07:32,520 Speaker 2: I believe that many composers from you know, very long 135 00:07:32,520 --> 00:07:34,800 Speaker 2: ago did the same thing. They wrote about the things 136 00:07:34,840 --> 00:07:38,920 Speaker 2: that were affecting them in their daily lives and affecting 137 00:07:38,920 --> 00:07:42,000 Speaker 2: the people around them. I think that as a composer, 138 00:07:42,280 --> 00:07:47,960 Speaker 2: it is important that we begin to see and address 139 00:07:48,040 --> 00:07:51,640 Speaker 2: the things that matter, the social issues. 140 00:07:51,720 --> 00:07:54,800 Speaker 1: You know, right now, I'm very much. 141 00:07:56,040 --> 00:08:01,440 Speaker 2: Affected by this mass shooting community. I don't even know 142 00:08:01,440 --> 00:08:03,320 Speaker 2: what it is that we have going on in America 143 00:08:03,400 --> 00:08:05,400 Speaker 2: right now. I think, you know, something needs to be 144 00:08:05,440 --> 00:08:09,160 Speaker 2: said about it, And who better than someone who's tapped 145 00:08:09,200 --> 00:08:13,160 Speaker 2: into this source of energy like music to speak about it? So, 146 00:08:13,680 --> 00:08:16,200 Speaker 2: you know, I consider that my job and my duty. 147 00:08:16,920 --> 00:08:20,320 Speaker 3: How important is a sense of humor that you convey 148 00:08:20,320 --> 00:08:21,920 Speaker 3: in your music can storytelling? 149 00:08:23,360 --> 00:08:25,440 Speaker 1: I'm just a funny yuay. I'd just like to laugh 150 00:08:25,480 --> 00:08:26,160 Speaker 1: a lot, So. 151 00:08:27,680 --> 00:08:28,080 Speaker 3: Me too. 152 00:08:28,400 --> 00:08:29,440 Speaker 1: I'm one of those people, you know. 153 00:08:29,680 --> 00:08:31,320 Speaker 2: I think it was Charlie Chaplin said if you don't 154 00:08:31,640 --> 00:08:34,760 Speaker 2: a day without laughter is a wasted day. Or I'm 155 00:08:34,800 --> 00:08:38,120 Speaker 2: just that same way, Like, if I'm not laughing, this 156 00:08:38,280 --> 00:08:41,040 Speaker 2: is a waste, you know. Like I think that that's 157 00:08:41,200 --> 00:08:45,680 Speaker 2: very important at storytelling. I think humor plays a very 158 00:08:45,679 --> 00:08:49,600 Speaker 2: big part of telling. Any story is a way to 159 00:08:49,679 --> 00:08:52,040 Speaker 2: kind of break up the story. If it's a very 160 00:08:52,080 --> 00:08:55,280 Speaker 2: serious story, that's definitely a way to kind of break 161 00:08:55,360 --> 00:08:57,240 Speaker 2: up the action and have a little fun. 162 00:08:57,920 --> 00:09:00,959 Speaker 3: You gotta laugh. I love it all right. Here's a 163 00:09:01,000 --> 00:09:03,760 Speaker 3: crazy one. What do you think the world would be 164 00:09:03,960 --> 00:09:05,200 Speaker 3: like without music? 165 00:09:05,640 --> 00:09:05,800 Speaker 4: Oh? 166 00:09:06,960 --> 00:09:10,040 Speaker 2: The world wouldn't exist without music. I mean everything is vibration. 167 00:09:10,720 --> 00:09:15,679 Speaker 2: What we see around us our reflections of vibrations. So 168 00:09:16,000 --> 00:09:18,920 Speaker 2: I think that the world is built upon music. Everything 169 00:09:19,000 --> 00:09:25,440 Speaker 2: is music. There's no substance that exists without vibration, and 170 00:09:25,480 --> 00:09:29,040 Speaker 2: I think that the organization of vibration and air is 171 00:09:29,280 --> 00:09:30,120 Speaker 2: what we call. 172 00:09:30,080 --> 00:09:37,480 Speaker 1: Music, and it's sort of the substance that allows humans 173 00:09:37,520 --> 00:09:38,880 Speaker 1: to be human. 174 00:09:39,679 --> 00:09:41,680 Speaker 2: I don't think there's anyone that you'll ever meet that 175 00:09:41,760 --> 00:09:43,280 Speaker 2: says I don't like music. 176 00:09:43,800 --> 00:09:45,920 Speaker 1: I think people will say they don't like a certain genre. 177 00:09:45,960 --> 00:09:48,120 Speaker 2: Maybe I don't like country, maybe I don't like classical, 178 00:09:48,160 --> 00:09:49,240 Speaker 2: maybe I don't like rap. 179 00:09:49,679 --> 00:09:52,160 Speaker 1: But you never hear anyone say I don't like music. 180 00:09:52,640 --> 00:09:55,040 Speaker 2: So I think it's a a central part of our 181 00:09:55,120 --> 00:09:55,920 Speaker 2: human experience. 182 00:09:56,160 --> 00:09:59,400 Speaker 4: Must have been a few years ago that I heard 183 00:09:59,400 --> 00:10:02,640 Speaker 4: of Black Boy and started to get a little familiar 184 00:10:02,679 --> 00:10:06,640 Speaker 4: with his music. But it wasn't until I joined the 185 00:10:06,679 --> 00:10:11,080 Speaker 4: Pistons six months ago in terms of a career changed 186 00:10:11,120 --> 00:10:15,200 Speaker 4: for me. And you know, our past cross professionally, and 187 00:10:15,240 --> 00:10:17,920 Speaker 4: I was familiar with his work, just kind of got 188 00:10:17,960 --> 00:10:22,720 Speaker 4: reacquainted and re introduced to his music in a much 189 00:10:22,720 --> 00:10:27,280 Speaker 4: more personal way. Ever since I discovered his work, I've 190 00:10:27,360 --> 00:10:29,880 Speaker 4: I've just kind of been taken back by it. It 191 00:10:30,000 --> 00:10:34,000 Speaker 4: is powerful, you know, his music in general is just 192 00:10:34,520 --> 00:10:38,520 Speaker 4: it's brilliant in so many different ways. It's hard to 193 00:10:38,520 --> 00:10:42,280 Speaker 4: just sum up so quickly. Every time he gets behind 194 00:10:42,320 --> 00:10:46,839 Speaker 4: the piano, it's you're going to feel something. You're probably 195 00:10:46,880 --> 00:10:51,240 Speaker 4: going to feel multiple things. And when it's done, when 196 00:10:51,240 --> 00:10:54,920 Speaker 4: he finishes, it's just it's very powerful. You feel like 197 00:10:54,960 --> 00:11:00,120 Speaker 4: you just heard a story or experienced the story and 198 00:11:00,360 --> 00:11:02,520 Speaker 4: one word hasn't been spoken, you know. And I just 199 00:11:02,520 --> 00:11:05,920 Speaker 4: think it's it's really powerful his music, how it acts 200 00:11:05,960 --> 00:11:08,080 Speaker 4: as a storyteller without using words. 201 00:11:08,320 --> 00:11:10,800 Speaker 3: How does it feel when one of your fans connects 202 00:11:10,800 --> 00:11:12,280 Speaker 3: with you regarding your music? 203 00:11:13,040 --> 00:11:16,720 Speaker 2: Those moments are so very special, And the thing that 204 00:11:16,760 --> 00:11:21,400 Speaker 2: I find is that they're so individualized, you know. I 205 00:11:21,440 --> 00:11:23,200 Speaker 2: know that there may be other artists that you know, 206 00:11:23,240 --> 00:11:25,240 Speaker 2: someone says the same thing as another person, as another 207 00:11:25,280 --> 00:11:27,400 Speaker 2: person other person. I think that I've never heard the 208 00:11:27,400 --> 00:11:34,760 Speaker 2: same thing twice. It's amazing that music with no words 209 00:11:34,880 --> 00:11:38,280 Speaker 2: can convey such a message and can allow the mind 210 00:11:38,320 --> 00:11:42,760 Speaker 2: to travel in a way that creates an environment where 211 00:11:43,160 --> 00:11:47,280 Speaker 2: someone's able to feel something, or express something, or experience 212 00:11:47,320 --> 00:11:49,760 Speaker 2: something that you know, the net person sitting next to 213 00:11:49,840 --> 00:11:54,960 Speaker 2: him is having a totally different experience. For me, that 214 00:11:54,960 --> 00:11:58,880 Speaker 2: that feedback from fans makes my day. It makes me 215 00:11:59,040 --> 00:12:03,000 Speaker 2: understand that what I'm doing means. 216 00:12:01,720 --> 00:12:05,960 Speaker 1: Something, and that I'm on the right path and I 217 00:12:06,120 --> 00:12:08,880 Speaker 1: need to continue. I think that that, like I said, 218 00:12:08,880 --> 00:12:09,440 Speaker 1: it's service. 219 00:12:10,280 --> 00:12:15,000 Speaker 3: Okay, And one more question, describe the spiritual component of music? 220 00:12:15,600 --> 00:12:20,400 Speaker 1: Oh wow, the spiritual component. 221 00:12:22,960 --> 00:12:28,640 Speaker 2: This is probably a very complex question to answer because 222 00:12:29,480 --> 00:12:36,520 Speaker 2: the spiritual component changes and shifts so rapidly between you know, 223 00:12:36,640 --> 00:12:39,520 Speaker 2: one composition or one piece of music in the next. 224 00:12:40,320 --> 00:12:42,000 Speaker 2: The thing that I can say that they do have 225 00:12:42,080 --> 00:12:46,440 Speaker 2: in common is that I'm able to feel music in 226 00:12:46,480 --> 00:12:50,679 Speaker 2: a way that is beyond just my ears. 227 00:12:52,120 --> 00:12:54,160 Speaker 1: It's beyond just what I can see or what I 228 00:12:54,200 --> 00:12:54,640 Speaker 1: can hear. 229 00:12:55,520 --> 00:12:58,920 Speaker 2: It's something that hits my soul in a way, and 230 00:12:59,760 --> 00:13:05,120 Speaker 2: they're there's information that's being transferred very much. 231 00:13:05,160 --> 00:13:06,400 Speaker 1: The spiritual component for. 232 00:13:06,400 --> 00:13:12,000 Speaker 2: Me is that, you know, the music is the universal language, 233 00:13:12,040 --> 00:13:15,440 Speaker 2: and I hear that and I feel that and its abilities. 234 00:13:15,600 --> 00:13:16,439 Speaker 1: My ability to. 235 00:13:16,400 --> 00:13:19,200 Speaker 2: Speak that language also allows me to hear that language 236 00:13:19,200 --> 00:13:23,200 Speaker 2: in a different way. I think that every time I 237 00:13:23,320 --> 00:13:24,680 Speaker 2: listen to music, I don't just. 238 00:13:24,720 --> 00:13:25,600 Speaker 1: Hear it with my ears. 239 00:13:25,640 --> 00:13:29,560 Speaker 2: I hear it with my soul, and that allows me 240 00:13:29,920 --> 00:13:34,400 Speaker 2: again to be able to express that myself or tell 241 00:13:34,440 --> 00:13:38,040 Speaker 2: that story. I always say, I love that I've had 242 00:13:38,080 --> 00:13:41,360 Speaker 2: the highest highs and the lowest lows. Why Because now 243 00:13:41,360 --> 00:13:43,560 Speaker 2: I can tell a story of the highest highs in 244 00:13:43,600 --> 00:13:48,280 Speaker 2: the lowest lows, So that in itself is an expression 245 00:13:48,320 --> 00:13:51,280 Speaker 2: of how the spiritual component. 246 00:13:50,880 --> 00:13:51,800 Speaker 1: Of music affects me. 247 00:13:52,200 --> 00:13:55,080 Speaker 2: I feel it from the very top to the very bottom. 248 00:13:55,480 --> 00:13:58,600 Speaker 3: Black Bok, thank you so much for joining us today 249 00:13:58,679 --> 00:14:02,319 Speaker 3: on the Music Saved Me Podcast. Congratulations on all your 250 00:14:02,400 --> 00:14:04,480 Speaker 3: successes in life and in music.