Speaker 1: Welcome to NFL Daily, where sometimes we get stuck inside
Speaker 1: of pitching cages. I'm Greg Rosenthal from my house, but
Speaker 1: Jordan Rodriguez at the Rams facility and yeah, she's literally
Speaker 1: taping this inside of a pitching cage and her her
Speaker 1: laptop is set up on what they would call a
Speaker 1: hit pad.
Speaker 2: I guess that the player is running through. So thank
Speaker 2: you for playing hurt today, Jordan.
Speaker 3: Yeah, the scent of sweat is just oozing upward from
Speaker 3: the from the hit pads today. You know, football is back.
Speaker 2: It is very back.
Speaker 1: And yeah, if you're watching on YouTube, you can see
Speaker 1: the setup that Jordan beautiful picture.
Speaker 2: So, yeah, today's show a little different.
Speaker 1: I was at Chargers camp earlier, and we're going to
Speaker 1: listen to some conversations I had and some thoughts at
Speaker 1: Chargers camp later. But we're going to start the show
Speaker 1: with just a little bit of news, and then Jordan
Speaker 1: and I decided to talk about some teams that haven't
Speaker 1: been talked enough about on this show. So we're going
Speaker 1: to try to get to a lot of stuff. And
Speaker 1: that's why I'm not going to mess around with the
Speaker 1: chit chat. Jordan, I apologize. Let's do some news there's
Speaker 1: a couple items here on Monday before we get to
Speaker 1: those teams we haven't talked about enough. We've talked plenty
Speaker 1: about the Texans, and they learned today that their defensive
Speaker 1: tackle that they signed in the offseason, Denico Autry, suspended
Speaker 1: for six games for violating the pe D policy at
Speaker 1: the NFL. And it's a shame, really good player, thirty
Speaker 1: four years old and most importantly a key member of
Speaker 1: that defensive line who I think was going to play
Speaker 1: a ton of snaps for.
Speaker 3: Them, fifty nine sacks in his last ten seasons, eleven
Speaker 3: and a half in twenty twenty three in Tennessee. He
Speaker 3: was kind of one of those like guys who you
Speaker 3: could tell was going to have a key role here. So, yeah,
Speaker 3: you hate to see that, hate to see that. First
Speaker 3: time he can come back is October twentieth against Green Bay.
Speaker 1: This is one of those suspensions though, and this happens
Speaker 1: later in Guy's career that I always think you're going
Speaker 1: to get a great version of him when he comes back.
Speaker 1: So it's a shame at a position where yeah, they
Speaker 1: signed fully fought to Kassi, they have him, settle Mario Edwards.
Speaker 1: They're thin there but a thirty four year old getting
Speaker 1: the first six games of the season off like isn't
Speaker 1: the worst thing. And yeah, he's one of those you know,
Speaker 1: if you know ball, you know Diniko Atri. He's been
Speaker 1: a great player and he used to be on the Colts.
Speaker 1: And now the Colts unfortunately got some bad news. They
Speaker 1: lost Samson Ebacom for the season. He tore his achilles.
Speaker 1: I hate that we're always leading the show with news
Speaker 1: like this, but that it's the biggest news this time
Speaker 1: of year.
Speaker 2: Really good pass rusher.
Speaker 1: You saw him when he was with the Rams Jordan,
Speaker 1: and that's a big loss for the Colts.
Speaker 3: Yeah, he was used in the changeup package in La
Speaker 3: and then into say in Francisco. He really blossomed when
Speaker 3: he was up with the forty nine ers. You know,
Speaker 3: he's a great dude, a great player. They're really I know,
Speaker 3: I join you, Greg and being really excited to see
Speaker 3: what this Colt's front line is going to do this year.
Speaker 3: Obviously that's a huge loss and Layatu Latu is gonna
Speaker 3: probably get a little bit more juice needs more pop
Speaker 3: early on without somebody like Sampson who could mix it
Speaker 3: up for them in terms of that speedball, that speed
Speaker 3: rush combined with some of the power they already have.
Speaker 1: I love Layatu Latu coming into the draft. He was
Speaker 1: the first defensive player taking right, which is which is wild,
Speaker 1: and I thought he deserved it to be and it
Speaker 1: was a surprise that it happened that way. Yeah, we
Speaker 1: haven't talked a ton about the Colts defense at least,
Speaker 1: and the defensive line I thought had an argument for
Speaker 1: the deepest in the NFL. Not as good on the
Speaker 1: top end as like the Cowboys, certainly, but Quitty pay
Speaker 1: A Dingbo who's coming off a nice season, laat Tou Latu,
Speaker 1: and now you lose Ebcon who's coming off a career year.
Speaker 1: Ten tackles for last nine and a half sacks was
Speaker 1: top fifteen PFF edge player. That's wild, the top thirty
Speaker 1: and win rate really solid. They have another guy, Taekwon Lewis,
Speaker 1: So I guess the positive spin is that was a
Speaker 1: position they could afford to lose someone, but you hate
Speaker 1: to see it, and that defense, to me, has a chance.
Speaker 1: Their front to be really exciting, make Gus Bradley look
Speaker 1: great there and be a playoff team. Finally, we wrap
Speaker 1: up the news Taylor Decker signed a new contract with
Speaker 1: the Lions. I think it was thirty one point eight
Speaker 1: million dollars guaranteed three for sixty seems like a bargain.
Speaker 1: And again they're investing in the trenches.
Speaker 3: Yeah, twenty million a year for your guard, like one
Speaker 3: of your excuse me, one of your top players on
Speaker 3: the offensive line. And I think I say guard because
Speaker 3: I'm looking at this list of their top five top
Speaker 3: paid players on this team. Jared Goff obviously is number one.
Speaker 3: Decker is number two, and a little bit of a
Speaker 3: higher number two at this point. So kicking out starting
Speaker 3: on the outside and then coming in. Frank Gragnow is
Speaker 3: also these number three. Aiden Hutchinson sneaky number four there,
Speaker 3: but that's that rookie deal kind of popping in there.
Speaker 3: And then Piney Sewell, who they took care of earlier
Speaker 3: this season. What I love about this Lions team and
Speaker 3: how they're built, among many things, is they're telling you
Speaker 3: who the f they are. I mean, they're going to
Speaker 3: run the ball at you, They're going to run play action.
Speaker 3: They're going to have a couple of really great skill
Speaker 3: players and a quarterback who can get the ball to them,
Speaker 3: and they're going to be physically dominant upfront. So now
Speaker 3: what they all do because they have so much money
Speaker 3: tied up, you know, rightfully, so when you look at
Speaker 3: the caliber of these offensive linemen and skill players as well,
Speaker 3: and I'm on ross a Brown, Now, what they're going
Speaker 3: to do is walk that tight rope of finding and
Speaker 3: identifying supplemental players in the middle to later rounds of
Speaker 3: the draft that will stay cheap for them for long
Speaker 3: enough to maximize this contention window. So this is going
Speaker 3: to be fun. I think the I love this for
Speaker 3: the Lions because they, like I said, they're showing you
Speaker 3: exactly who the f they are with this, with.
Speaker 1: This, with all these sign it reminds me a little
Speaker 1: bit of the Eagles, who you know, I thought of
Speaker 1: as one of the most analytically minded teams and they are.
Speaker 1: And I think what the numbers say is invest in
Speaker 1: the players who weigh the most. And they've always paid
Speaker 1: their linemen a ton on both sides of the ball,
Speaker 1: and it's worked out for them. It's going to work
Speaker 1: out for the Lions. Shout out to Bob Quinn, the
Speaker 1: general manager of the Lions. In twenty sixteen, I was
Speaker 1: rudely googling that as you were talking. So he's the
Speaker 1: one who drafted Taylor Decker back in the day. And
Speaker 1: it's always a reminder tackle more than any position in
Speaker 1: the NFL. Just be patient because at first people really
Speaker 1: weren't that into Taylor Decker and he's had a really
Speaker 1: good career. And I think that's smart what you said
Speaker 1: about the Lions. The Lions could almost fit into this segment.
Speaker 1: I weirdly, I don't think we've talked a lot about
Speaker 1: the Lions this year because it's like, oh, they're all
Speaker 1: back and now, Like I think they have the best
Speaker 1: team in the NFL if you had to make a
Speaker 1: team full of guys signed through twenty twenty seven or
Speaker 1: twenty eight, like they have the most great guys now
Speaker 1: signed through twenty seven or twenty eight. But we haven't
Speaker 1: talked a lot about just like this team. But I
Speaker 1: guess before we jump in, you got any Lions pop.
Speaker 1: You just can't stop smiling today.
Speaker 3: I'm so happy I'm at football, you.
Speaker 2: Are at the facility. It gave me some juice, I
Speaker 2: gotta say.
Speaker 1: And we'll get to the Chargers later to be on
Speaker 1: a football field to hear Jim Harball like yelling at
Speaker 1: his players. Yes, it did give me a beautiful football
Speaker 1: is back feeling.
Speaker 2: What do you got for the Lions for me?
Speaker 3: Okay, I do have one more thing for the Lions
Speaker 3: for you, because again, I love how this team is built.
Speaker 3: I love how they've gone about like really identifying young
Speaker 3: players who can compliment stars that they now have shown
Speaker 3: us they clearly intended to pay. That's like I said,
Speaker 3: that's a tight rope walk, and you want everyone to
Speaker 3: stay healthy and hitting on those supplementary players, your stars,
Speaker 3: you expect your stars who you did sign. I think
Speaker 3: most of them in this case can do this lift
Speaker 3: up those supplementary players in order to really have a
Speaker 3: cohesive product. So it's like you want the guys you
Speaker 3: pay to raise the floor of everybody else and help
Speaker 3: the young guys develop, and you want that floor to
Speaker 3: get higher and higher because everybody's developing because of the
Speaker 3: stars that you do pay, pending everybody stays healthy. I
Speaker 3: will say I heard a scout one time say this
Speaker 3: to me, and I will never forget it. It makes
Speaker 3: it makes sense and also it doesn't, which is the
Speaker 3: scouting way. Let's see it says, uh, investing dollars into
Speaker 3: pounds makes sense there we go, right, I'm like, wow,
Speaker 3: you really you really thought you had something.
Speaker 1: There, little Corney, little footballly. But you know, this is
Speaker 1: this is the league. Every team has to have a slogan.
Speaker 1: I forget whose slogan it is this year, it's resilience,
Speaker 1: and it's like, okay, that's not a slogan.
Speaker 3: I got to tell you. I'm out here at RAMS.
Speaker 3: I know you'll be out here in a couple of days. Greg.
Speaker 3: You know, you guys successfully and beautifully shamed Sean McVay
Speaker 3: into shortening the language on his T shirts. We'll get
Speaker 3: to that a little bit later this week. Oh that
Speaker 3: was some of the funniest, the funniest stuff ever last year,
Speaker 3: and you guys really carried it in a great way.
Speaker 3: So I am. I'm happy to report on the ground.
Speaker 4: Good to know.
Speaker 1: I'm looking forward to the new slogans. But yeah, they
Speaker 1: needed an editor in the worst way. I think one
Speaker 1: of the the one quick thing on the Lions is
Speaker 1: really on the defense, the defensive line. That's where I
Speaker 1: have questions. I actually am really confident in what they
Speaker 1: did in the secondary and bringing it like Brian branch
Speaker 1: is playing nickel. By the way, I mean, last year
Speaker 1: he played nickel. This year he looks like a full
Speaker 1: time safety, which is different, like it kind.
Speaker 3: Of radar safety. They can move him.
Speaker 1: Around, yeah, but I don't even think from the sound
Speaker 1: of it, I don't think they're going to move him
Speaker 1: too much. They're going to get him on the field
Speaker 1: even more and have him play safety, and I'm sure
Speaker 1: he'll be in the slot sometimes, but they're trying to
Speaker 1: fill that position separately, and they feel like they have
Speaker 1: the depth now to do it now that they brought
Speaker 1: in Carlton Davis. I think Emmanuel Moseley might be their
Speaker 1: slot corner. Terry On Arnold is there as the other starter,
Speaker 1: and so I'm excited about that. The one thing I'd
Speaker 1: be worried about is the defense of Marcus Davenport and
Speaker 1: DJ Reader are two really important players for them, and
Speaker 1: then Levi on Wzike, who's starting right now for them.
Speaker 1: In practice, those three players to me have very high
Speaker 1: ceilings and very low floors in terms of talent and
Speaker 1: mostly just availability for all three Readers coming off a thigh,
Speaker 1: you know, another torn quad rather Davenport's never on the field,
Speaker 1: ow wuz Rikes had injuries, and so those are three
Speaker 1: guys they're counting on. They've invested a lot in the
Speaker 1: defensive line and it hasn't always paid off that well
Speaker 1: except for Hutchinson. So if you're looking for, you know,
Speaker 1: something to just watch and camp, and it's those guys
Speaker 1: and their health because Davenport and Reader especially are.
Speaker 2: Coming off injuries. All right, let's get let's get into
Speaker 2: our segment.
Speaker 4: Though.
Speaker 1: I want to talk teams. Oh, you have four cards.
Speaker 1: They're beautiful NFL Daily Note cards. I do love that logo. Like,
Speaker 1: I'm very self critical and there are many things with
Speaker 1: the launch of this show that I want to just
Speaker 1: get better and better at.
Speaker 3: Same my rambling, Yeah, which is why we have the cards.
Speaker 1: But the cards, I'm happy with the cards in the logo,
Speaker 1: I'm really into.
Speaker 2: Yeah. My son said I'm getting Walker's like, oh, you're.
Speaker 1: Getting cooked on uh on the five star one stars
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Speaker 1: people understandably we're not happy with the transition, but we're
Speaker 1: trying to make it work for you. And so yeah,
Speaker 1: I was like, Walker, don't don't tell me that and
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Speaker 3: Think Greg's in his head. Don't get Greg in his head.
Speaker 3: We need them, we need them loose, we need them
Speaker 3: loose and cooking.
Speaker 2: No, I was, I just I was like, Okay, that's
Speaker 2: that's the way I find out. You throw out.
Speaker 1: Now, you throw out the card you want to you
Speaker 1: think is the most interesting. Or pick the second one
Speaker 1: from the left if you really want me to.
Speaker 3: The second one from the left.
Speaker 2: Just pick the one you like the best.
Speaker 3: Come on, Jordan, second from the left, Well, I don't
Speaker 3: like this one the best.
Speaker 2: Just to pick this is this is entertainment.
Speaker 5: No one would know.
Speaker 2: Just just pick it.
Speaker 3: Yeah, second card from the left. Now I'm starting with
Speaker 3: the Jets.
Speaker 2: Okay, wow. I do think the Jets not talked about
Speaker 2: team is.
Speaker 3: You know what, we haven't really talked about the Jets
Speaker 3: very much. And I think some people it's because I
Speaker 3: think rightfully so, after the fiasco that was last year
Speaker 3: for this team, you know, one injury away from complete catastrophe.
Speaker 3: I do think that that's part of the reason it's like,
Speaker 3: you know, once bitten twice shy kind of a thing
Speaker 3: with this team in some of the buzz. I mean,
Speaker 3: I've heard other people say this. I'm not saying anything new.
Speaker 3: This is a super Bowl team. If Aaron Rodgers stays healthy,
Speaker 3: this is a super Bowl contending team. I firmly believe
Speaker 3: that they have one of the best defenses in the league.
Speaker 3: If Aaron Rodgers even looks like eighty nine percent eighty
Speaker 3: seven percent, eighty five, eighty percent of Aaron Rodgers of
Speaker 3: you or like, I really do think that this team
Speaker 3: has some special in them. That's That's where I'll start,
Speaker 3: because I know you have thoughts on this.
Speaker 1: Okay, we have talked a little bit about Rogers, but
Speaker 1: I've tried to stay away from it. But you're right
Speaker 1: in terms of looking looking at the depth chart and
Speaker 1: really breaking into what team they're going to be, haven't
Speaker 1: as much. Here's one thing I'd push back on slightly.
Speaker 1: They neither offensive line to stay healthy. And I guess
Speaker 1: if I had a question about the team any position group,
Speaker 1: it might actually be their defensive line because Hasan Redick's
Speaker 1: not there right now, and I'm not I'm not assuming that.
Speaker 2: That's gonna all work out.
Speaker 1: And even if it does, okay, you're Quentin Williams is there,
Speaker 1: but you're counting on Jermaine Johnson to maybe make a
Speaker 1: big leap, will McDonald to make an even bigger leap.
Speaker 1: Javon Kinlaw was a little bit of a disappointment in
Speaker 1: San Francisco.
Speaker 2: Those guys all have big roles.
Speaker 1: So when I look at the defense, you're saying best
Speaker 1: defense in the league, look at as good as any
Speaker 1: team in the league. Their linebackers and the secondary as
Speaker 1: good as any defensive line. There is a bad case
Speaker 1: scenario there.
Speaker 4: What do you Yeah?
Speaker 3: And I think that's a fair point. However, as you'll
Speaker 3: note in bullet point number three, I came ready, I'm juice,
Speaker 3: it's football man. I got this, okay. So I do
Speaker 3: agree with you in that that's a concern. I don't
Speaker 3: think they're necessarily quite it. They have to get this
Speaker 3: hasd Redic deal done. They just have to. I mean,
Speaker 3: you cannot, not only for logistical reasons and production reasons,
Speaker 3: but it's just it's flat out embarrassing if you trade
Speaker 3: for the guy and he's not showing up to camp,
Speaker 3: and I mean you have to make this happen. He
Speaker 3: could be very productive along this front. Quinn Williams is
Speaker 3: one of my favorite players to watch in the NFL.
Speaker 3: He's just a destructive force of nature and just a
Speaker 3: delightful human as well, like just a wonderful guy. And
Speaker 3: so I really appreciate the jextaposition the duality of man
Speaker 3: if you will, on that front. But I also think
Speaker 3: that this we've watched since twenty eighteen. Robert Sala, Yes,
Speaker 3: he's often been defined by the personality of his fronts,
Speaker 3: but particularly over the last couple of years with the Jets,
Speaker 3: even though the front is one hundred percent should be
Speaker 3: and has been the heartbeat of this team in so
Speaker 3: many ways. You actually watch some of the coverages that
Speaker 3: he's leaned on. He's one of the few people, in fact,
Speaker 3: maybe the only one who has successful fully and consistently
Speaker 3: taken that old Seattle system and married it with some
Speaker 3: of these new quarters concepts that we're seeing. Robert Salla
Speaker 3: plays in the most quarters are the second most quarters
Speaker 3: of any coach in the league, and for the listener,
Speaker 3: at home quarters popularized heavily by the modern iterations of
Speaker 3: Vic Fangio system, it basically builds a box over the defense,
Speaker 3: and it often looks like man coverage. It can be
Speaker 3: man coverage, but it can also be a match zone
Speaker 3: which gets really sticky over the various layers that receivers
Speaker 3: are building with their routes. And so when you can
Speaker 3: play like this with bona fide dudes in your secondary
Speaker 3: to the side, now the Aide SaaS Gardner, Michael Carter,
Speaker 3: they all are allowing completion percentages of under sixty percent
Speaker 3: according to Pro Football Focus. That is also while playing
Speaker 3: one of the most difficult and aggressive coverages you possibly can.
Speaker 3: I say all this to say, yes, the pass rush
Speaker 3: does help with that, But I do say all this
Speaker 3: to say, can we start talking about how the secondary,
Speaker 3: the defensive backfield is becoming a core identity of this
Speaker 3: Robert solid defense, of this Jets defense to the point
Speaker 3: where you can even start thinking about some of those
Speaker 3: older Fangio concepts. And he didn't start them, but they
Speaker 3: were sort of defined by coverage dictates front in some ways.
Speaker 3: And I remember that very very well when I first
Speaker 3: started learning this defense back in twenty twenty, and I
Speaker 3: think that is something to watch, especially when you do
Speaker 3: have bona fide stars at every key cornerback, defensive back
Speaker 3: position on this Jets defense, and I think, like I said,
Speaker 3: I think they're going to be badass.
Speaker 1: You you convinced me that is maybe the best quarterback
Speaker 1: trio in the league. I think because of the continuity
Speaker 1: and the intelligence and that Sauce Gardner can go to
Speaker 1: another level, which is scary. Like a lot of teams,
Speaker 1: I think if you take out you know, some of
Speaker 1: these starters, they're a little thinner. But when when I
Speaker 1: look at the Jets, and that's the only holes that
Speaker 1: you can pit poke, like whenever I'm doing that. That's
Speaker 1: with Super Bowl contenders, where it's like, well they are
Speaker 1: one injury away from pretty questionable cornerbacks, but like if
Speaker 1: that's the best you can do. Their safeties this year,
Speaker 1: Tony Adams, who has been there, was an undrafted free
Speaker 1: agent I believe, who's played well for them. And then
Speaker 1: you got Chuck Clark or Ashton Davis. That's one spot.
Speaker 1: But they're so good at hiding guys. And yeah, the
Speaker 1: linebackers Moseley and Quincy Williams was a pickup.
Speaker 2: They're just they're great.
Speaker 1: I mean, Salad has to get his flowers at the
Speaker 1: very top of the NFL, of defensive minds, because he's
Speaker 1: just done it, like he's just made it happen. And
Speaker 1: so that's why it always made sense to me actually
Speaker 1: to keep him going into this year despite all the termoil. Right,
Speaker 1: let's move on to another team. Haven't talked a lot
Speaker 1: of commanders. I'm going to just throw it out. We'll
Speaker 1: go commanders.
Speaker 2: Okay, I'm worried. I'm worried about this team again. Line
Speaker 2: play both sides of the ball.
Speaker 1: But I want to start positive and I want to think, like,
Speaker 1: what's the route here to being interesting and better than
Speaker 1: people expect. It's obviously Jayden Daniels starting quickly, and he
Speaker 1: might more than Caleb Williams and Drake may be positioned
Speaker 1: to start quickly just because of his age frankly, and
Speaker 1: just the different systems he's been in and everything you
Speaker 1: hear about him and everything you're already reading at Washington.
Speaker 1: He's very mature, I think, as a young man and
Speaker 1: as a football mind, and so you combine that.
Speaker 2: We'll see how Cliff adjusts to that.
Speaker 1: But it's someone that might be able to hit the
Speaker 1: ground running and we can get into what else is
Speaker 1: there on offense. But that has a real deal wide
Speaker 1: receiver one. So that's a nice start. I mentioned it
Speaker 1: on our fantasy show that I did with Pat Darerty,
Speaker 1: like the fact mclaurin's going like something insane like thirtieth
Speaker 1: out of what receivers, Like this is finally gonna be
Speaker 1: the McLaurin year because he doesn't have much competition and
Speaker 1: the situation's better like where he It would not surprise
Speaker 1: me if Terry McLaurin rips off a sixteen hundred yard
Speaker 1: season one of these years, and I think this might.
Speaker 5: Be that season.
Speaker 3: Yeah. He just does not slow down, He does not
Speaker 3: get worse. He is a joy to watch play. Some
Speaker 3: of the catches he makes defy the laws of physics
Speaker 3: quite frankly. And we're on the scene here, so I'm
Speaker 3: enjoying this mac truck backing up behind me. Excuse for
Speaker 3: everyone way at our first responders, high first responders. Okay,
Speaker 3: so how about that emergency action plan? Right?
Speaker 2: Okay?
Speaker 3: So what I kind of like about this? So I'm
Speaker 3: a big believer in Jade and Daniels. I'm an Arizona
Speaker 3: State graduate, very depressed since we lost him, and enjoyed
Speaker 3: watching him thrive and play in college football. I'm a
Speaker 3: big time Jada Daniels fan, but I also think that
Speaker 3: when you're getting someone ready to take the reins, I'm
Speaker 3: kind of in the camp of have someone else there
Speaker 3: who's experienced, who could kind of like like I kind
Speaker 3: of brought up, and I can fix him. I can
Speaker 3: fix him episode like having somebody who can install proof
Speaker 3: of concept without the quarterback feeling rush. Now, I'm not
Speaker 3: saying that Marcus Mariota is that guy.
Speaker 1: He can take in first. By the way, which is
Speaker 1: one of the more surprising aspects of training camp. I
Speaker 1: don't think that's gonna last long.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't think that'll last either, But I do
Speaker 3: like the fact that you're not necessarily thrown into it
Speaker 3: if you are a quarterback who you know. I think
Speaker 3: Jada and Daniels is going to be an outstanding pro,
Speaker 3: But I do think that there are some maybe some
Speaker 3: durability questions with his frame, some play style questions of
Speaker 3: you know, the contact that he is able to take on,
Speaker 3: and I just think you want to make sure you're
Speaker 3: being careful with all of those things, especially right out
Speaker 3: of the gate. So getting him an on ramp, I
Speaker 3: think that's what Marcus mariot is for him is the
Speaker 3: on ramp, and I like that.
Speaker 2: A regular season game.
Speaker 3: I think if you're really run heavy to start, and
Speaker 3: we'll see. Because I like you, I don't believe that
Speaker 3: this whole first team reps thing for Mariota. I don't
Speaker 3: think it last. I mean, Jaden is too electric of
Speaker 3: a player to to be behind long. All I'm saying,
Speaker 3: because we've got the entire month of August here, Greg, Like,
Speaker 3: all I'm saying is a light, a nice little on
Speaker 3: ramp into your first professional season. You see more and
Speaker 3: more franchises, more and more organizations trying that trying to
Speaker 3: walk that perfect balance between play the guy you believe in,
Speaker 3: play the guy you drafted this high, and also make
Speaker 3: sure he's not just like jumping in a frozen lake
Speaker 3: at the very beginning. We've seen this, We've seen this franchise,
Speaker 3: ruined quarterbacks, We've seen lots franchise I know, and that's
Speaker 3: what I'm saying. I know, and that's what I'm saying.
Speaker 3: I think they're trying to walk the line of make
Speaker 3: sure he's getting all of the steps in, make sure
Speaker 3: he's truly feeling comfortable with all of these things and
Speaker 3: his body is where it needs to be. Just do
Speaker 3: it the right way, and I think all of us
Speaker 3: want that. For Jada Daniels. We'd love to see him
Speaker 3: right out of the gate, the starter, you know, in
Speaker 3: week one, and I think he's got the weapons to
Speaker 3: do it. They might, They'll probably have a pretty solid
Speaker 3: run game. I'm worried about this offensive line as it
Speaker 3: seems to be the chance.
Speaker 1: Let me, let me mention the offensive one because at
Speaker 1: practice this week, really the only consistent starters are Tyler
Speaker 1: Biadis from Dallas. He's fine in Dallas, not like a
Speaker 1: plus starter, but they trust him. And then Sam caused
Speaker 1: me at right guard, and after that it's like injuries
Speaker 1: and rotating guys, and Cornelius Lucas is either left or
Speaker 1: right tackles, and you could say it's early in camp.
Speaker 1: We're trying to right find the right five. But the
Speaker 1: names there aren't inspiring. Andrew Wiley, who is with the Chiefs,
Speaker 1: it's not inspiring. And all the teams that are saying
Speaker 1: that are the teams with no talent, So like, yeah,
Speaker 1: you can say, like we're trying to find the right five,
Speaker 1: that's that's worrisome. The positive spin before we move on
Speaker 1: from the Commanders would be Johan Dotson has a has
Speaker 1: a step to go up, I still think, and so
Speaker 1: that's a good one too, I think. And then the
Speaker 1: back seven on defense with dan Quinn is gonna be interesting.
Speaker 1: You know, Bobby Wagner and Frankie Luvu two really smart
Speaker 1: players you can do some things with. And the secondary
Speaker 1: has a lot of guys and give dan Quinn a
Speaker 1: lot of guys I think that have a chance to
Speaker 1: be a little underrated. Benjamin Saint just is solid. Mike
Speaker 1: Sanders still is one of my favorite players in the draft.
Speaker 1: A slot corner, Emmanuel Forbes put on fifteen pounds this
Speaker 1: offseason and yet still it's still like one hundred and
Speaker 1: seventy five. I mean, he is the skinniest cornerback in
Speaker 1: the league. But Michael Davis, like Jeremy Chins there, Derek Forrest.
Speaker 1: I'm just saying a lot of names, but they are
Speaker 1: names I think are capable. And dan Quinn showed in
Speaker 1: Dallas he is good at getting guys all in the
Speaker 1: same page right away, so I think they can get
Speaker 1: more out of the secondary. I think there could be
Speaker 1: a good wide receiver nomination this is not going to
Speaker 1: be a playoff team, but they could.
Speaker 2: Be more fun.
Speaker 3: Two very quick things I want to point out before
Speaker 3: we move on is a bunch of these players in
Speaker 3: the secondary, either from other teams or are smart, are versatile,
Speaker 3: and they hit really damn hard, like Frankie Luvu and
Speaker 3: Jeremy Chin. Watch out because they're going to take your
Speaker 3: head off. And I think that this is gonna this
Speaker 3: is old school, vintage dan Quinn, right, guys in a
Speaker 3: defensive backfield that can hit the brakes off a car, right,
Speaker 3: And I think that this is going to be really
Speaker 3: interesting to watch. I love Frankie Luvu's game. I think
Speaker 3: he's an outstanding player. Pairing him with Bobby Wagner, you'll
Speaker 3: notice that most of these position groups, barring the offensive
Speaker 3: line that we talked about and barring some other areas,
Speaker 3: they've really paired like a core culture guy, like they
Speaker 3: have a lot more work to do this Commander's franchise
Speaker 3: than just the product that they put on the field.
Speaker 3: You see Austin Eckler, you see Bobby Wagner, Marcus Mariota, guys,
Speaker 3: culture guys, core guys who can help dan Quinn and
Speaker 3: Adam Peters build what they want, and Adam Peters just
Speaker 3: went about gutting the entire front off. He made hires
Speaker 3: in the analytics department and also in his front office
Speaker 3: personnel from the Lions, the forty nine ers and the Ravens,
Speaker 3: And all I have on my notes for that is
Speaker 3: the word good.
Speaker 2: Yes, that's good.
Speaker 1: Yeah. I think it's a little overlooked how much of
Speaker 1: a gutting happened here. Everyone is new on the roster
Speaker 1: in the organization. I know Deron Payne and Jonathan Allen.
Speaker 1: That is a great defensive tackle combination that is there.
Speaker 1: But other than that, Ron Rivera, who's gonna be working
Speaker 1: with us at a NFL network he announced on Monday.
Speaker 1: I heard he's asking about how he can get on
Speaker 1: a podcast. So maybe, well, I know you're you're you
Speaker 1: know him from your time, try to have him on
Speaker 1: his team is kind of gone and this is starting
Speaker 1: from scratch, and so there's just a lot to do there,
Speaker 1: a lot to do in this segment still, Jordan, teams
Speaker 1: we haven't talked about enough. And you know what's going
Speaker 1: to be sad is you have multiple note cards here
Speaker 1: and like, I think we only got time for one
Speaker 1: more team Okay, I'm gonna have to make it stinks
Speaker 1: to be the team that isn't talked about enough, that
Speaker 1: isn't going to be talked about in the teams that
Speaker 1: aren't talked enough.
Speaker 2: Segment that Man, I love it.
Speaker 3: It's so meta. Wait, I'm gonna make you pick because
Speaker 3: I've gotten no you pick, you pick, No, No, I'm
Speaker 3: holding the cards.
Speaker 2: Greg, pick a card which is more interesting.
Speaker 3: They're both very interesting.
Speaker 2: Just pick the bucks for for a specific I have
Speaker 2: a I have a specific reason.
Speaker 3: Let it be known, Raiders fans, this was Greg's choice.
Speaker 3: I want to talk about you know.
Speaker 1: We're gonna be at Raiders camp next week and we
Speaker 1: can spend some good quality time with the Raiders.
Speaker 3: Yeah. When you see Greg blew that band, he didn't
Speaker 3: want to talk about you today.
Speaker 5: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Shout out to Sean uh, the man at Chargers camp
Speaker 1: who said he was listing to NFL Daily on the
Speaker 1: way up, said, I Uh, he knew I was going
Speaker 1: to be there, and then kind of a little weird,
Speaker 1: but maybe a little weird, said he sort of staked out.
Speaker 1: He saw me going to the to the Porta Patti area,
Speaker 1: and I think they waited outside for me to to
Speaker 1: come come back out and say hi and say he
Speaker 1: was a fan. So that actually is I oh, I'm
Speaker 1: looking people are listening to the show. But that's the
Speaker 1: first confirmed fan of it.
Speaker 3: That's so nice. Shout out to Sean and I hope
Speaker 3: Greg washed his hands there.
Speaker 1: Of course, those are a tough scene in those pies.
Speaker 1: Let's yeah, let's do the bucks. Give me your best
Speaker 1: stuff on the bucks.
Speaker 3: Chris Godwin in the slot I think is going to
Speaker 3: be overall some of the best stuff on the bucks.
Speaker 3: I also loved you guys mentioned it a little bit
Speaker 3: in Monday mornings episode of NFL Daily which I listened to.
Speaker 2: Don't say that that means we talked about him on.
Speaker 3: But you only talked about it like a very small amount.
Speaker 3: Because I really do love this receiving Corps. I think
Speaker 3: people forget that Liam Cohen is the offensive coordinator over there.
Speaker 3: Liam Cohen worked a lot in the early stages of
Speaker 3: Cooper Cup when he was doing a lot more stuff
Speaker 3: out of the specific slot role before he moved into
Speaker 3: this like hybrid slot f player who did a lot.
Speaker 3: He's always done a lot in the blocking game and
Speaker 3: all that. I think he really wants to see if
Speaker 3: they can unlock Chris Godwin. It's it's very very rare
Speaker 3: to have ever have a season in twenty twenty one
Speaker 3: like Cooper Cup had, but it has been brought up
Speaker 3: a few times as sort of an aspiration, a goal
Speaker 3: to at least have some of that style of production,
Speaker 3: a do it all player. You know. Chris Godwin is
Speaker 3: like quietly second on this in this franchise and receiving yard,
Speaker 3: you know. And Mike Evans obviously with ten consecutive thousand
Speaker 3: yard seasons, is still there. And I really liked, you know,
Speaker 3: as you know, I got to see a lot of
Speaker 3: the scouting process this year. Greg. Everybody liked Jalen McMillan.
Speaker 3: Everybody really liked him. And I think all of these
Speaker 3: players they give Baker Mayfield just this diversity of target.
Speaker 3: They can do a lot of things. Mike Evans is
Speaker 3: obviously like your your ex guy, but like the other
Speaker 3: two like they can go do a lot of different things.
Speaker 3: And Chris Godwin, I still have faith. I know the
Speaker 3: injury a couple of years ago and people wondered if
Speaker 3: he could come back from that, but I've always admired
Speaker 3: his game. I love this position change for him, and
Speaker 3: as the Baker Sons continues, I do think that Liam
Speaker 3: Cohen who go away.
Speaker 1: I mean, I don't know if it'll continue it. I
Speaker 1: don't know if he's put two years together in a row,
Speaker 1: so that worries me, but he's set up for it.
Speaker 1: This Bucks team, I hear Bucks fans out there that
Speaker 1: feel like they don't get talked about, they don't get
Speaker 1: the respect.
Speaker 2: They were in the divisional round last year.
Speaker 1: There's always there's always one team like the Giants a
Speaker 1: couple of years ago that you know, they make the
Speaker 1: divisional round and just no one thinks they're going to
Speaker 1: get back, and Bucks fans will be like, yeah, but
Speaker 1: we've won the division three straight times. Okay, let's tour
Speaker 1: with Tom Brady and he's not there. And the other
Speaker 1: one last year you tied, You tied at nine and
Speaker 1: eight and you won the tie breaker and it was
Speaker 1: great and you were entertaining the watch by the end
Speaker 1: of the year and you made the Lions sweat a
Speaker 1: little bit in that game.
Speaker 2: I think, are they the favorites in the division?
Speaker 3: I don't have a strong Falcons are close.
Speaker 1: I think I don't have a strong feeling, but I
Speaker 1: think they're closer to being the favorites or are the
Speaker 1: favorites than what the Desert says at best, I think
Speaker 1: the Falcons are kind of even with them. Here's where
Speaker 1: I would worry, just the pas rush. You know, they
Speaker 1: haven't had Randy Gregory show up to camp. He's one
Speaker 1: where I don't necessarily expect him to play for the Bucks.
Speaker 1: And so you have Yayad Diabi as a second year
Speaker 1: player who got a lot of cleanup sacks. You have
Speaker 1: a rookie braswell. You have Joe Tryon not a lot
Speaker 1: of pass rush. The good thing is the strength of
Speaker 1: that defense. Canty and Vidavead next to each other. Could
Speaker 1: they have career years together at the same time, because
Speaker 1: if that happens, the whole rest of the defense takes
Speaker 1: care of itself.
Speaker 2: They're playing Daniel's week one.
Speaker 1: By the way, Todd Bowles versus a rookie quarterback, It's
Speaker 1: possible if those two guys play their best seasons at
Speaker 1: the same time together. That alone, with you know, reasonable
Speaker 1: play otherwise, which they'll have, and a great coach, that's
Speaker 1: enough to be dangerous because those two are crazy. And
Speaker 1: I was really interested when Cansey said he looks at
Speaker 1: Cameron Jordan as a player he wants to model himself after,
Speaker 1: which that surprised me. But they are relatively similar body types.
Speaker 1: It's like, Okay, so you got those two guys, and
Speaker 1: I think the offensive line has a chance.
Speaker 2: To be really good.
Speaker 1: Quietly, they've they've drafted well on the offensive line, and
Speaker 1: so you have a good offensive line.
Speaker 2: You have those two guys. They got a chance. I
Speaker 2: believe in you.
Speaker 3: Bucks. They got to get Tristan Wurf's figured out. They
Speaker 3: got to get this.
Speaker 2: But he's there, he's at camp.
Speaker 3: He's there. There's no reason to believe that it doesn't
Speaker 3: get worked through being there, being present. And then they
Speaker 3: seem to have come. Bucks reporters Greg Allman does a
Speaker 3: great job over for Fox Sports. There's sort of this
Speaker 3: chatter that there they've figured out some sort of happy
Speaker 3: medium of what he will participate in. Again, someone like
Speaker 3: of Worf's caliber. I'm not exactly worried, super worried if
Speaker 3: they missed them.
Speaker 1: They already said their GM Jason Light said he will
Speaker 1: be the highest paid tackle in the league.
Speaker 2: So when that happens, it's like, what are we talking about?
Speaker 1: That means they've already offered him a contract that makes
Speaker 1: him the highest paid tackle in the league. It's the
Speaker 1: same thing with Jefferson. When I heard that, I was like, Okay,
Speaker 1: this is over.
Speaker 3: It'll be fine.
Speaker 2: It will happen.
Speaker 3: Raiders dollars, set dollars into pounds. Makes sense.
Speaker 1: You got to learn from Dwayne Wade who had the
Speaker 1: His pronouns are he and him, which I like the
Speaker 1: first time, but then he went back to it four times.
Speaker 3: So that's not mine.
Speaker 2: You gotta sprinkle in your catchphrase, but it's not mine.
Speaker 3: I'm citing a source on this one.
Speaker 2: You used it, it's yours.
Speaker 1: Now, Jordan, get to get to practice, get out of
Speaker 1: the pitching cage, and uh yeah, I'm making you work
Speaker 1: overtime this week because you will be with us on
Speaker 1: Friday show.
Speaker 2: So I am looking forward to that.
Speaker 1: We'll have some content from RAMS camp, but we'll talk
Speaker 1: about other stuff and yeah, after the break, I'm really
Speaker 1: excited for you guys to hear a little bit more
Speaker 1: about the Los Angeles Chargers this season and Jim Harbaugh
Speaker 1: king Charger by Jordan.
Speaker 6: Bye, there's another really good day, just great day for football.
Speaker 6: The patch, no pads. I mean, I just look at
Speaker 6: how much time do I have today? You know, today
Speaker 6: practice gets to be an hour and forty five minutes,
Speaker 6: and you know that's that's what I look forward to.
Speaker 6: It's an our hour and forty five minutes of a
Speaker 6: pure joy for me. I mean, the distractions of the
Speaker 6: modern world cease. There are no I have no cell
Speaker 6: phones to answer. I just to get to go out there, sunshining,
Speaker 6: cool breeze coming in off of the ocean, and uh,
Speaker 6: get to interact, get to interact with the players, the coaches,
Speaker 6: all all of us who have a love and passion
Speaker 6: for the game of football. So uh yeah, it's just
Speaker 6: uh it's just a gift, you know. And then any
Speaker 6: kind of and then the excitement, the work, the challenge,
Speaker 6: you know, all energy all goes into making it a
Speaker 6: better day day today than than yesterday. So uh, tomorrow,
Speaker 6: get two hours, two hours of that pure joy where
Speaker 6: I don't have to be inside. I get to get
Speaker 6: to be out the.
Speaker 2: Pure joy of training camp.
Speaker 1: They put the pads on on Monday with the Chargers
Speaker 1: for the first time. I was at Chargers training camp
Speaker 1: and we're gonna hear from Hayden Hurst, their tight end.
Speaker 1: I talked to him for a couple of minutes. It
Speaker 1: was very nice to lend his time. Then you'll hear
Speaker 1: a longer interview with JK. Dobbins, who I really enjoyed,
Speaker 1: and then will wrap up the show with Matt money Smith,
Speaker 1: our friend. But just a few takeaways before we get
Speaker 1: to that. From the day at Chargers Camp. That pure
Speaker 1: joy that Harbaugh is talking about, you could see it.
Speaker 1: This is he's a king. He's the king of the
Speaker 1: Chargers and this is his kingdom. The Bolt is this
Speaker 1: new training facility that they set up. It's beautiful and
Speaker 1: I gotta admit it's hard to imagine Brandon Staley presiding
Speaker 1: over this. It's like he wouldn't be worthy of it.
Speaker 1: It's a really nice setup. I give the Chargers credit.
Speaker 1: The weight rooms outside it's very cool because it's near
Speaker 1: the ocean, as Harbaugh mentioned, and it's seventy degrees. They
Speaker 1: have a great setup in the building where they have
Speaker 1: the meeting rooms, and then right outside the meeting rooms
Speaker 1: there's these big patios where they can actually do the
Speaker 1: walk throughs there so they don't even have to go downstairs.
Speaker 2: And you just saw Harbaugh soaking it up. That joy
Speaker 2: was obvious.
Speaker 1: He's so in the mix in these practices where he's
Speaker 1: breaking it up, he's talking to them, he's running some plays,
Speaker 1: and then afterwards he's spending all these times like having
Speaker 1: deep conversations with fans, like really engaging with them, and
Speaker 1: you just see a guy who is enjoying life. I'm
Speaker 1: fascinated to see how this goes. But it is a
Speaker 1: totally different vibe around this Chargers team. A couple things
Speaker 1: just from practice Number one, JK. Dobbins, who will be
Speaker 1: on the show, was the first team running back, got
Speaker 1: a ton of reps.
Speaker 2: There's no Gus Edwards out there.
Speaker 1: He looks really explosive coming off a torn achilles which
Speaker 1: was suffered early last season, much better than I would expect.
Speaker 2: I think he's gonna have a big role on this team.
Speaker 1: Quentin Johnson caught the first two catches of eleven on elevens.
Speaker 1: He's in some lineups where he's just two wide receivers
Speaker 1: on the field. He's going to be a part of
Speaker 1: this offense. Maybe he's rotated in with DJ Shark and
Speaker 1: the two tight ends obviously Josh Palmer, but they're trying
Speaker 1: to get something out of Quinton Johnson. The defense dominated
Speaker 1: the day though for the most part, Justin Herbert I
Speaker 1: think was frustrated. A lot of pass rush, a lot
Speaker 1: of hands on the ball, a couple near interceptions. They
Speaker 1: have a deep pass rush with the Chargers, like Chris
Speaker 1: rump I was noticing was their fifth rusher.
Speaker 2: He's a good player to be their fifth rusher. So
Speaker 2: a lot of pressure on Justin Herbert.
Speaker 1: Ray shn Slater was out there, but just for a
Speaker 1: couple snaps in team drills, and yeah, it's a part
Speaker 1: of the offseason where the defense, at least for today,
Speaker 1: was dominating.
Speaker 2: Finally, it's a unique setup where the.
Speaker 1: La Metro train is going by multiple times, like every
Speaker 1: ten minutes across this practice field. It's a very unique setup.
Speaker 1: I put it on my Instagram, this ghost train. You know,
Speaker 1: other teams could could put, you know, their spies out
Speaker 1: there to see what's going on at Chargers camp.
Speaker 2: But it was a cool setup.
Speaker 1: And I'm looking forward to you hearing these interviews and
Speaker 1: everything I talked about with Matt money Smith, and it's
Speaker 1: gonna be different for NFL daily. We're gonna hit the rams,
Speaker 1: We're gonna hit the raiders. I know you feel like
Speaker 1: it's a West Coast bias. I am gonna hit all
Speaker 1: thirty two teams with a deep dive, and so we'll
Speaker 1: have a board, we'll keep track of it. These are
Speaker 1: just the teams I can get to. They're not putting
Speaker 1: me on a plane. So it is good to get
Speaker 1: out to see some football. I was feeling that joy today.
Speaker 1: I hope that comes through. Here are my interviews with
Speaker 1: Hayden Hurst and JK. Dobbins and then Matt money Smith.
Speaker 2: What's the different vibes between the Harbaugh coaches?
Speaker 5: Very similar philosophies.
Speaker 7: They're all about working hard, you know, earning everything that
Speaker 7: you get, which I think that's football to its core.
Speaker 4: So you know, I love it and I respect it.
Speaker 1: I mean I they feel about as football to its
Speaker 1: core as it gets. Like our most head coach. I've
Speaker 1: been to a lot of training camp practices, and Jim
Speaker 1: Harbaugh seems like he is in the mix about as
Speaker 1: much as any head coach is going.
Speaker 4: To be in the mix.
Speaker 1: I almost was a little worried for him, like that
Speaker 1: he's gonna get taken down on some of the back pedals.
Speaker 7: No, he hops in the drills, he's got the cleats on,
Speaker 7: he's over there flipping sleds with us. You know, Harves
Speaker 7: doesn't mess around. Man, that's awesome.
Speaker 1: You were signed here by by Joe Hortz. Hortiz rather
Speaker 1: you mentioned that the GM of the Chargers. I noticed
Speaker 1: they brought you and Will Disley in around the same time,
Speaker 1: and there's questions about, like, what the what is this
Speaker 1: offense going to be? The wide receiver group is some
Speaker 1: somewhat uncertain, and I thought they were telegraphing a little
Speaker 1: bit when they brought in you two guys at the
Speaker 1: same time that they'll probably be playing a lot of
Speaker 1: twelve personnel with two tight ends on the field. You've
Speaker 1: obviously done that before. Like does that get you going?
Speaker 1: What kind of advantages do you think it is to
Speaker 1: have two tight ends on the field.
Speaker 7: Yeah, I mean it's exciting obviously, It's you know, it's
Speaker 7: a tight end centric offense. You know, I've been in
Speaker 7: it before, you know, with me, Nick Mark, Max, Darren Waller.
Speaker 7: You know, we all did it in Baltimore, so I'm
Speaker 7: very familiar with how this thing kind of function. It'll
Speaker 7: be cool, cool to do it with Justin, cool to
Speaker 7: do it with Will. Just kind of changing up a
Speaker 7: little bit obviously different skill sets you know that we
Speaker 7: all bring to the table, but same philosophy. We running
Speaker 7: early and often and see what we got after that?
Speaker 2: What's what's it? What's justin been?
Speaker 1: Like you've been around some some great quarterbacks obviously really
Speaker 1: now that they think of it, it's like you've been
Speaker 1: with three of the top quarterbacks in the entire league,
Speaker 1: and Lamar and Joe Burrow and Herbert, Like what what's
Speaker 1: unique about Herbo out of that group?
Speaker 7: I mean just just by looking at him, his stature,
Speaker 7: you know, he's very impressive. It looks like he could
Speaker 7: be in our room as well. You know, he's like
Speaker 7: six six, big, big dude, live arm and he can
Speaker 7: put it anywhere on the field.
Speaker 5: Just his personality is great.
Speaker 7: It's kind of infectious to be around a guy like
Speaker 7: that who just loves the game, you know, very easy going,
Speaker 7: fun loving kind of guy, just wants to be one
Speaker 7: of the boys. So you know, it's it's fun to
Speaker 7: be with a guy like.
Speaker 1: We don't get a lot of Herbert personality, Taco, though
Speaker 1: I did see him. He he celebrated a one touchdown
Speaker 1: you guys had there today. I haven't seen a lot
Speaker 1: of that, Like Yeah, what what is he like?
Speaker 5: He's just one of the guys.
Speaker 7: You know, I think the tight ends offensive line, they're
Speaker 7: just most normal, I guess you could say, position wise,
Speaker 7: just regular guys. And I think Justin loves just being
Speaker 7: one of the guys. I don't know if he necessarily
Speaker 7: loves being Justin Herbert all the time and getting all
Speaker 7: the attention. I think he likes to go under the
Speaker 7: raidar and just kind of hang out with the boys.
Speaker 1: So then that begs the question, like who's the what's
Speaker 1: the most abnormal position group?
Speaker 2: Then on the team, if you have to rank them
Speaker 2: top three.
Speaker 7: Wide receivers and dbs, okay, they kind of like, you know,
Speaker 7: they love the Instagram post stuff like that, which is cool.
Speaker 7: You know, they get the touchdowns and the picks and
Speaker 7: all the cool stuff. So we'll let those guys have it.
Speaker 1: Looking forward to seeing you get some touchdowns. Obviously be
Speaker 1: blocking a lot of running for this Chargers team. I'm
Speaker 1: excited to see what they do. Thank you, hayden Hurst.
Speaker 4: Appreciate it.
Speaker 1: Man there appreciating me. All Right, we are here with JK. Dobbins,
Speaker 1: A man I am excited to talk about. He was
Speaker 1: excited to walk over here. I have already heard from
Speaker 1: around the building here. You're just like you got the
Speaker 1: best personal you get the most energy of like anyone
Speaker 1: in that running back room.
Speaker 2: Now you got no answer for that?
Speaker 5: Well, I mean I think that's the truth. Yeah, I
Speaker 5: think it's the truth.
Speaker 3: Is that?
Speaker 1: Like, I'm fascinated by running backs because seeing you and
Speaker 1: Gust together to see the two different types of body
Speaker 1: types that can both excel though and speaking as a
Speaker 1: very small man myself much much smaller than you. Uh Like,
Speaker 1: is that cause you're like a shorter guy? You got
Speaker 1: to make them hear you, you know? Is that a
Speaker 1: Napoleon thing?
Speaker 3: Nah?
Speaker 5: No, I make them feel me. I make everyone feel
Speaker 5: me first, you know what I'm saying. Yeah, I might
Speaker 5: be shorter, but I think i'm yeah a little bit
Speaker 5: of power to me. Yeah, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 5: But you know, the looks looks looks so nice to
Speaker 5: have too. You could be a big, tall guy, you know,
Speaker 5: but I like the way I love.
Speaker 1: To absolutely Yeah, I'm no, Like you can look like
Speaker 1: me and then you'd be in trouble. You went out
Speaker 1: there today in pads the first time, Like, how'd that
Speaker 1: feel for you? Coming off you know, the injury that
Speaker 1: you have last year another another step to put the
Speaker 1: pads on and get get to real football today.
Speaker 5: It's a blessing, you know.
Speaker 2: Uh.
Speaker 5: The injury I had in the first game was pretty
Speaker 5: it was it was, for lack of a better words,
Speaker 5: weird because it was just a regular tackle. You know,
Speaker 5: I don't know why I gave out. It didn't hurt
Speaker 5: none of that, But it was the It was the
Speaker 5: lower's plan, you know, it was. It was the plan
Speaker 5: of Jesus to give me that so I can get here. It'
Speaker 5: to where I feel amazing. I feel so good, like
Speaker 5: with paz On, I feel I feel like I'm in
Speaker 5: college shape, you know what I'm saying. So I don't know,
Speaker 5: maybe this, maybe the Achilles injury was to make my
Speaker 5: legs stronger, make my my feet quicker, and make me
Speaker 5: more fresh so I can co have this huge year
Speaker 5: that I know I'm going.
Speaker 2: To have this Ooh, I like it.
Speaker 1: Talk to me about the huge year because yeah, you're
Speaker 1: you're out there with the first team, to my eye,
Speaker 1: looking explosive, getting a lot of reps obviously there with
Speaker 1: justin like are you ahead of where you expected to be?
Speaker 2: And just how you're feeling. Tell me about that huge year.
Speaker 5: I'm right, I'm right where I where I thought I
Speaker 5: was gonna be. You know, I put in the work.
Speaker 5: I'm I'm I knew when I when I had the Achilles,
Speaker 5: I wasn't down about it. I told some people in
Speaker 5: the locker room for the Ravens, it was like, I'm
Speaker 5: built for this, Like this is nothing. This will be
Speaker 5: like an echo sprant. I'll be back like that which
Speaker 5: I was. I was running sprinting at five months.
Speaker 3: You know.
Speaker 5: Some people say it's unheard of. I don't know. I
Speaker 5: don't care because I'm gonna get this work in and
Speaker 5: I know where I need to where I need to be,
Speaker 5: and that's why I'm going going higher than what I was,
Speaker 5: you know. And so it's been great, you know. And
Speaker 5: I'm just gonna keep working, keep getting better, and keep
Speaker 5: feeling better as well.
Speaker 1: Right, And you obviously landed with a team that's got
Speaker 1: some big boys on the offensive line, especially at tackle,
Speaker 1: that has the two tight ends out there.
Speaker 2: You got a big smile on.
Speaker 1: I fits it's going to run the ball, so it
Speaker 1: should be a running backs paradise, Like are you looking
Speaker 1: forward to that? Oh?
Speaker 3: Yeah?
Speaker 5: I'm looking forward to see how we jail together. You know,
Speaker 5: we just got to keep building our chemistry, me and
Speaker 5: the old line. You know, we gotta we gotta see
Speaker 5: everything together. Like I can't have different eyes than than
Speaker 5: Zion or or whoever's that did no tackle. I can't
Speaker 5: have different eyes than Bradley Boseman or whoever's a center,
Speaker 5: or different eyes than Slater. You know, we all got
Speaker 5: to jail together. Have this great, great chemistry so we
Speaker 5: can we can run that. We can run that thing.
Speaker 1: So we had back when you were coming out as
Speaker 1: a prospect. We have a guy that used to come
Speaker 1: on our old show around the NFL. His name is
Speaker 1: Spice Rack, and he was so big on you coming
Speaker 1: out of college. And he said, you just got to
Speaker 1: watch JK. Dobbins because he reminds me of a young
Speaker 1: Emmett Smith. And I said, oh that you don't hear
Speaker 1: that comparison too often. So ever, since he put that
Speaker 1: in my head, I watch you and I do kind
Speaker 1: of see that in terms of the vision and being
Speaker 1: in sync. You mentioned with your offensive lineman, which Emmett
Speaker 1: was was so good at, Like, do you have guys
Speaker 1: that you look at a little bit to model you
Speaker 1: And what do you think about that Emmett call.
Speaker 5: I think that's a good call. You know, both shorter guys.
Speaker 5: So when I was in when I was at Ohio State,
Speaker 5: I used to see Emmitt. You know, he used to
Speaker 5: be on the sidelines, and he's a great guy. I
Speaker 5: love him, you know. So whenever I whenever I hear
Speaker 5: that comparison, because I've heard that comparison a lot, you know,
Speaker 5: I it gives me a reason to be motivated because
Speaker 5: I know him and I know he's a great guy,
Speaker 5: and I know he's number one all time on the
Speaker 5: on the on the rushing yards right right, correct, So
Speaker 5: I want to be like that. I want to I
Speaker 5: want to be number one, like right now. Yes, I've
Speaker 5: had unfortunate injuries right like right now, no one knows.
Speaker 5: No people know a little bit because they saw a
Speaker 5: little bit from what I've put out there. But I
Speaker 5: truly believe that I can be legendary.
Speaker 1: Okay, yeah, and you you put up the numbers when
Speaker 1: you when you've been out there six yards per carry,
Speaker 1: five point seven yards per carry, like when you've been
Speaker 1: out there for the time we got left, I want
Speaker 1: to kind of hear through your eyes what you see.
Speaker 1: I want to first ask you before the snap, what
Speaker 1: what do you looking for as a running back before
Speaker 1: the snap?
Speaker 5: Well, I don't want to tell everything, but first first
Speaker 5: I'm I'm gonna look at the D line. I gotta
Speaker 5: see what they're what kind of front they're in, you know,
Speaker 5: so I can know where, you know where to anticipate
Speaker 5: the play going, you know. And then I'm looking at
Speaker 5: the safeties to watch what kind of blitters they might
Speaker 5: bring if we're in pass protection, you know. So, and
Speaker 5: then after that it's just my killersty comes in and
Speaker 5: I'm like, all right, nobody's tackling me, let's get if
Speaker 5: I get the ball, no one's tackling me, let's take
Speaker 5: it to the house.
Speaker 1: And what kind of keys are you doing after? Because
Speaker 1: that's it's why I like watching you run. You seem
Speaker 1: to somehow slow down the game a little bit. My
Speaker 1: favorite running back of all time is Frank Or, who
Speaker 1: to me, had this way of seeing things ahead of
Speaker 1: time and getting small through holes. I think you got
Speaker 1: a little bit of that in you, and I want
Speaker 1: to know, like, what is it after the snap that
Speaker 1: that you're seeing?
Speaker 5: Well, I like him. I'm slowing the game down. But
Speaker 5: that starts with the pre snap. You know I'm slowing
Speaker 5: if I see what I see on the defense, that
Speaker 5: slows it down. When I get the ball, it's slow.
Speaker 5: I'm taking my time. I'm pretty fast guy, so I
Speaker 5: know I can restart faster than the most defensive players.
Speaker 5: So and I appreciate you forgiving me. These guys are
Speaker 5: the legendary that you're throwing out.
Speaker 1: I'm telling you you were on our You know, I
Speaker 1: don't want to get into the fantasy football of it all,
Speaker 1: but I brought you up as someone to watch. Definitely
Speaker 1: this year, I'll rap with the last quarterback he played with,
Speaker 1: Lamar Jackson. Now you're playing with Justin Herbert. I know
Speaker 1: Justin Herbert's not Lamar, but you were front row to
Speaker 1: see like one of the greatest running quarterbacks of all time.
Speaker 1: Maybe compared just their running styles a little bit, and
Speaker 1: what you've seen out of Justin as a runner, because
Speaker 1: he can he can move for a big guy.
Speaker 5: Man, You know, Lamar, he's my brother.
Speaker 7: Man.
Speaker 5: I still talk to him to today. You know, I
Speaker 5: love him. That's my brother.
Speaker 4: He knows that.
Speaker 5: You know, nobody can run like Lamar in the league
Speaker 5: right now. But my man Justin, he's my brother as well.
Speaker 5: I love him as well. He's got more athleticism than
Speaker 5: people people know. You know, he can run and I
Speaker 5: saw that in college too. I remember one time I
Speaker 5: think it was like a rose boar or something. He
Speaker 5: like took it to the house and like that guy
Speaker 5: can run. I didn't know he can run, you know,
Speaker 5: so a little different. The bar's a lot a lot different,
Speaker 5: you know, with his moves and stuff. But they both
Speaker 5: got a leticism and Justin can do he can do
Speaker 5: it all.
Speaker 1: Okay, you said, big year, I'll let you go on
Speaker 1: this like you're throwing any numbers out there, you got
Speaker 1: any goals.
Speaker 5: In mind, I'll let you put your numbers out. I'll
Speaker 5: let everyone put their numbers out, and I bet all,
Speaker 5: I'll bet all beat those numbers that y'all put out.
Speaker 1: Okay, I'm thinking like twelve hundred and thirteen hundred yards
Speaker 1: from scrimming something like that, because they want to share
Speaker 1: the ball a little bit. Gus is gonna get his
Speaker 1: work too. But you're looking you can still beat that.
Speaker 1: You're saying, yes, okay, I love it.
Speaker 2: JK.
Speaker 1: Dobbins, you heard it. One of my favorite running backs
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Speaker 4: Yeah, it's great to see you. Greg. It's good to
Speaker 4: see out here at Charger Camp. It's exciting, right.
Speaker 1: It is impressive here that it's like just started like
Speaker 1: they did it right, taking a few years to get
Speaker 1: it going. But I can't wait to get my son
Speaker 1: out here. The whole thing is impressive at the Bowl,
Speaker 1: the team, it's exciting. You're you're coming out. You really
Speaker 1: see out and I feel bad for taking your time
Speaker 1: while old Herbert all good is out there.
Speaker 2: But let's hear about Herbert first, Like what do you see.
Speaker 5: So far this year?
Speaker 1: You were at the OTAs, you were at mini camps, Like,
Speaker 1: how do you think he fits with this?
Speaker 5: Often?
Speaker 4: Well, you know, today's first we're doing this first day
Speaker 4: of Patti practice, so it's kind of hard, you know,
Speaker 4: to to really kind of get any official football analysis
Speaker 4: in there. But what I've seen bouncing his step, I
Speaker 4: think he's beyond happy to have Shane Day back. Was
Speaker 4: kind of weird that he was pushed away in the
Speaker 4: first place. Those two had a real special bond and
Speaker 4: you know all the success he had, you know, early
Speaker 4: in his career, so I think, you know, that kind
Speaker 4: of I think opened the door. But you know, for
Speaker 4: a heck of a relationship between his head coach when
Speaker 4: he's like, look, before I hire a quarterback coach, who
Speaker 4: do you want and let's see if we can get him?
Speaker 4: And now Shane his back. So I think that helps.
Speaker 4: And I think it's important for people to remember, you know,
Speaker 4: people like you who do the Quarterback Index and the
Speaker 4: rankings and all those sort of things, that this is
Speaker 4: a guy that has not had the easiest path. His
Speaker 4: best year, in my opinion, was his first year because
Speaker 4: he had Shane Stikeen call in plays and you saw
Speaker 4: the magic that happened and how he utilized his skill
Speaker 4: set to maximize you know, what Justin Herbert can do
Speaker 4: out there. So I'm very excited for him to partner
Speaker 4: with not just Greg Roman, but Jim Harbaugh. I think
Speaker 4: it's going to be a real special relationship for him.
Speaker 5: Yeah.
Speaker 1: One thing even just seeing the start of this practice,
Speaker 1: like Harbaugh is in the middle of everything, He's stopping
Speaker 1: the whole practice down to talk to everyone. The way
Speaker 1: they've built this team though, getting rid of the big names.
Speaker 1: That wide receiver. You got a rookie in McConkie. You
Speaker 1: have Quinton Johnson. I noticed that the first two catches there,
Speaker 1: and in teamwork here, like, how do you think that
Speaker 1: receiver situation works out? And then they brought in the
Speaker 1: tight ends We're gonna have Hayden Hurst on in a
Speaker 1: bit like how does this all look?
Speaker 4: I like it. I know people will say I'm biased,
Speaker 4: you know, because I've worked for the Chargers, but I
Speaker 4: think it's a really good collection for what Herbert does.
Speaker 4: I don't know, I don't know what the top three
Speaker 4: will be. I don't know how often they're going to
Speaker 4: be in eleven. You know, they're probably going to be
Speaker 4: in a lot more twelve and just kind of watching
Speaker 4: one of the more interesting numbers to keep an eye
Speaker 4: on a seventy one McFadden who was drafted as a
Speaker 4: tackle guard center work, and now he is doing a
Speaker 4: lot of the Patrick Ricards stuff out there. So I
Speaker 4: think you're gonna see, you know, I don't know what
Speaker 4: the receiver rotation is going to look like. One thing
Speaker 4: I can tell you, though, is Lad McConkie's a problem.
Speaker 4: He is slippery and you are seeing dudes get their
Speaker 4: ankles broken every single day out there. The route running
Speaker 4: prowess that was celebrated as someone who was like a
Speaker 4: ten year vet that I don't think that was over
Speaker 4: selling him. That is certainly what his skill is, and
Speaker 4: that's a skill that Herbert loves.
Speaker 2: It's a lot to ask for rookie to be a one,
Speaker 2: but they don't really need it to be a one.
Speaker 2: They need to him to be one.
Speaker 1: But in terms of snaps, yeah, if I had to
Speaker 1: guess who gets the most snaps, it's probably him.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean Josh Palmerfrey's healthy. He's like to me,
Speaker 4: he's wildly underrated. Anytime he had to step in for
Speaker 4: Mike Williams or Keenan Allen when they were hurt, he'd
Speaker 4: come up with one hundred yard game. If you look
Speaker 4: through his game logs you'll see yeah, you got the targets,
Speaker 4: and there is problem is you just have struggle with health.
Speaker 4: So if he stays healthy, I think he's unequivocal number one.
Speaker 4: And I kind of like the way it's built right.
Speaker 4: So Shark, you know, DJ Shark is your outside X
Speaker 4: and I think that allows McConkey, who we saw lineup.
Speaker 4: You were standing next to me a little bit on
Speaker 4: the outside for some of the early eleven on eleven's.
Speaker 4: I think you can be flexible with he and Josh
Speaker 4: and they can both really shine in either of those spots.
Speaker 1: You've you've been around just talking with the coaches and
Speaker 1: watching the practice. Just like, who who surprised you? I guess, like,
Speaker 1: who are some players on this team that you're into?
Speaker 4: Yeah, so one just we were discussing before we walked
Speaker 4: over the sheer size of Joe Wall. You get it.
Speaker 4: It's like, oh, yeah, I get this. This this makes sense.
Speaker 4: This is this is someone that is larger than you know,
Speaker 4: NFL players are larger than most humans, and this is
Speaker 4: a guy who's larger than most NFL players.
Speaker 2: It's humbling. I mean, these you had what did you
Speaker 2: say that if.
Speaker 4: This was a four thousand years ago, you and I
Speaker 4: would have some serious property.
Speaker 2: It would be dead.
Speaker 1: And I appreciate you throwing yourself into the same mix
Speaker 1: as me, but it's humbling. But uh, it is nice
Speaker 1: to be around these monstrous men. Uh defensively, like I
Speaker 1: don't know, like this is such a mystery box to
Speaker 1: me of like what this team is going to look like,
Speaker 1: how they're going to line up, and how these guys
Speaker 1: that they almost surprisingly to me came came back Joey
Speaker 1: Bosa and Khalil Mack fit in with with everyone else here.
Speaker 4: So I don't have I think the Edge group's gonna
Speaker 4: be great, you know, I think I'll be See I'm
Speaker 4: never going to project for bad health, so I'm assuming
Speaker 4: everyone's going to stay healthy. As crazy as that may sound.
Speaker 4: But if you have that rotation Tully and Bud dupre
Speaker 4: or starting edges on a lot of teams in the NFL.
Speaker 4: So to have that four and to try to keep
Speaker 4: them fresh the way coach Minter I think wants to
Speaker 4: rotate them, that's great. Secondary is kind of where we
Speaker 4: have our question marks and you might have a little
Speaker 4: battle at that nickel corner with John Taylor and the
Speaker 4: rookie tarheb Still who really kind of has flashed a
Speaker 4: little bit. They probably they need to find that second
Speaker 4: safety so they can really unlock Derwin. You know, Alowe's solid,
Speaker 4: you know, underrated because he's not really that flashy athlete,
Speaker 4: but just a very cerebral, smart player. So I think
Speaker 4: if they can find that second safety, unlocked Derwin and
Speaker 4: then beyond that Greg, I think it's going to be
Speaker 4: the linebackers. You know, if Junior Colson is what we
Speaker 4: think he can be as a rookie, you know, he
Speaker 4: had the penaciitis, so he's not been practicing. But I'm
Speaker 4: if there's one player I want to keep it, you know, Derwin,
Speaker 4: Joey all just push that stuff aside. There's one player
Speaker 4: I'd watch zero, Dyon Henley. I think that's that's your
Speaker 4: prototypical twenty twenty four NFL lineu backer with how fast
Speaker 4: and how athletic and also how strong he is.
Speaker 1: I fascinated by that because, like to me, you look
Speaker 1: at the teams that struggled in the playoffs, it's because
Speaker 1: their linebacker play stunk.
Speaker 2: This Chargers team got hurt by linebacker play.
Speaker 1: This is a team that I've been overly excited about
Speaker 1: a year year after I Yeah, last I took one
Speaker 1: year off, which was twenty twenty two, which it would
Speaker 1: have been fine.
Speaker 2: It was fine to take off.
Speaker 1: Yeah, now they're I'm not saying they're under the radar
Speaker 1: or anything, but you've been here as a part of
Speaker 1: this move up to Los Angeles. Give me more, just
Speaker 1: the the high view of like Jim Harbaugh arrives here, Like,
Speaker 1: how does it feel you are part of the organization?
Speaker 1: Ultimately you're you're the play by play guy for the Chargers,
Speaker 1: And can they finally make dopes like me who think
Speaker 1: they're going to be great? Because now that I'm around
Speaker 1: it and I just see the uniform and this place
Speaker 1: is cool and Herbert is still Herbert. Now I'm kind
Speaker 1: of back in and I'm like, why not this team
Speaker 1: right now? It's Jim freaking Harba.
Speaker 4: That's what you just said it. I think that's exactly
Speaker 4: what it is. They needed someone to walk through that
Speaker 4: door that says I'm a winner. All right, you guys
Speaker 4: are very talented, but let's win. And that's what I
Speaker 4: do everywhere I go. So I think that's exactly what
Speaker 4: they needed. It feels like they're responding to that in
Speaker 4: terms of you know this so you'll see it today
Speaker 4: after practice they do what they call fourth quarter ot period,
Speaker 4: and you're talking about guys that are out here in
Speaker 4: the sun practicing for two hours. Today's full pads. Ben
Speaker 4: Herbert's gonna put them through bear crawls on their fingers
Speaker 4: and toes. They're gonna flip sleds, They're gonna drag the
Speaker 4: you know, they're gonna flip the sleds here. They're gonna
Speaker 4: drag those sleds over there. And it's like another twenty
Speaker 4: minutes and they're all jacked and geeked to do it
Speaker 4: because they believe it's kind of what you know, coaches
Speaker 4: is sort of preached that everybody's good and these things
Speaker 4: typically come down to the end of half and the
Speaker 4: end of games. Got to be able to outlast your opponent,
Speaker 4: and that's what that's all about. And they seem that
Speaker 4: they want it, you know, I mean, Herbert wants it,
Speaker 4: Derwin wants it. These leaders of this tiers a reason
Speaker 4: why Joey Bosa and Khalil Mack took pay cuts because
Speaker 4: they want it here. And I think they they're really
Speaker 4: buying in and they believe what he's what he's kind
Speaker 4: of pushing here.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I when I heard Bosa, who is a man
Speaker 1: of few words, kind of just mumble out, you know, like,
Speaker 1: well when he says it, we know it's gonna right,
Speaker 1: it matters, like we were, like, he's done it before.
Speaker 1: So if he says that, there's no doubting, and I'm
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Speaker 1: But we don't need to talk trash on. Who wasn't
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