1 00:00:12,400 --> 00:00:15,560 Speaker 1: When you think of Weatherbe, you think of flat shooting magnums, 2 00:00:15,840 --> 00:00:18,560 Speaker 1: you think of the Vandguard rifle, the Mark five rifle, 3 00:00:18,720 --> 00:00:22,280 Speaker 1: and the long tradition of American gun manufacturing since Roy 4 00:00:22,360 --> 00:00:26,120 Speaker 1: weather Be founded the company back in nine But today 5 00:00:26,200 --> 00:00:28,479 Speaker 1: we aren't here to talk about any of that. We're 6 00:00:28,520 --> 00:00:31,720 Speaker 1: here to talk about their shotgun lineup. I'm joined by 7 00:00:31,800 --> 00:00:35,280 Speaker 1: Luke Thorson. He is their vice president of Sales, Marketing 8 00:00:35,280 --> 00:00:39,560 Speaker 1: and product Development. How's everything going, Luke, fantastic face high domn. 9 00:00:43,800 --> 00:00:47,000 Speaker 1: How's everything going over there at weatherby Man. The last 10 00:00:47,000 --> 00:00:51,400 Speaker 1: couple of years have been a wild ride. Uh, it's 11 00:00:51,440 --> 00:00:54,880 Speaker 1: really really good. Business is good. We can't complain. There's 12 00:00:54,880 --> 00:00:59,000 Speaker 1: definitely been a number of, let's just say, challenges in 13 00:00:59,120 --> 00:01:03,280 Speaker 1: this post COVID world that we all are enduring. But 14 00:01:04,240 --> 00:01:06,680 Speaker 1: business is good, so I really can't complain too much. 15 00:01:07,720 --> 00:01:09,399 Speaker 1: Got you? I got you? Yeah? How do you like 16 00:01:09,520 --> 00:01:11,880 Speaker 1: the Were you with whether Be when you guys were 17 00:01:11,880 --> 00:01:14,360 Speaker 1: in California? Have you only been with a company since Wyoming? 18 00:01:15,240 --> 00:01:18,040 Speaker 1: Just since Wyoming. I was one of the very first 19 00:01:18,160 --> 00:01:21,800 Speaker 1: hired as part of the transition from California to Wyoming. 20 00:01:22,840 --> 00:01:25,040 Speaker 1: I don't I don't think I could have ever been 21 00:01:25,560 --> 00:01:30,680 Speaker 1: a California residents. Sorry to anybody that is, but you know, 22 00:01:31,040 --> 00:01:34,080 Speaker 1: I just it was tough. I was from the industry. 23 00:01:34,120 --> 00:01:37,240 Speaker 1: I actually joined, whether it be from Walter Arms and 24 00:01:37,560 --> 00:01:41,160 Speaker 1: Fort Smith, Arkansas. Oh yeah, yeah, yeah. I figured I 25 00:01:41,200 --> 00:01:42,640 Speaker 1: knew what your answer was going to be if you 26 00:01:42,680 --> 00:01:45,039 Speaker 1: did move, that you were enjoying Wyoming better. But since 27 00:01:45,040 --> 00:01:48,560 Speaker 1: you started there, your answer kind of confirmed what what 28 00:01:48,640 --> 00:01:50,840 Speaker 1: your answer would have been if you started in California. 29 00:01:50,920 --> 00:01:54,000 Speaker 1: So no, I appreciate you having you on. I've been 30 00:01:54,040 --> 00:01:56,360 Speaker 1: able to shoot. Um, you know, the weather be element 31 00:01:56,720 --> 00:01:59,279 Speaker 1: both last water pol season and this year for Turkey. 32 00:01:59,320 --> 00:02:01,640 Speaker 1: So we're gonna um definitely have a little bit bit 33 00:02:01,680 --> 00:02:03,960 Speaker 1: of experience that I can weigh in there. But um, 34 00:02:04,280 --> 00:02:06,640 Speaker 1: we're gonna start like every other episode, We're gonna take 35 00:02:06,640 --> 00:02:09,480 Speaker 1: some questions that you guys get asked a lot, you know, 36 00:02:09,600 --> 00:02:12,680 Speaker 1: from from social from you know, people emailing us, and 37 00:02:12,680 --> 00:02:15,200 Speaker 1: if you have any questions of your own, please email 38 00:02:15,320 --> 00:02:18,720 Speaker 1: us at ct D at Phelps game Calls dot com 39 00:02:18,760 --> 00:02:21,000 Speaker 1: and we'll make sure to to pitch your questions and 40 00:02:21,080 --> 00:02:23,360 Speaker 1: some of these experts in the field. So the first 41 00:02:23,360 --> 00:02:25,440 Speaker 1: one I have for you, Luke is why are the 42 00:02:25,480 --> 00:02:28,480 Speaker 1: element and eight teen I shotguns. Why did you guys 43 00:02:28,480 --> 00:02:34,119 Speaker 1: decide to go with inertia driven mechanics? There great question. Um. 44 00:02:34,200 --> 00:02:38,320 Speaker 1: So we actually used to have um some gas shotguns 45 00:02:38,320 --> 00:02:41,400 Speaker 1: in our line and and pretty much every gas shotgun 46 00:02:41,480 --> 00:02:46,040 Speaker 1: on the market, Uh, you you need multiple uh pistons, 47 00:02:46,080 --> 00:02:50,840 Speaker 1: I guess for lighter and heavier loads. And it became 48 00:02:50,919 --> 00:02:53,720 Speaker 1: kind of a customer service issue. And not to mention, 49 00:02:54,200 --> 00:02:56,440 Speaker 1: a gas gun shoots a lot dirtier, you need to 50 00:02:56,480 --> 00:02:59,639 Speaker 1: clean it more often, and so for for a lot 51 00:02:59,639 --> 00:03:03,400 Speaker 1: of reason, and we just gravitated towards the inertia system. 52 00:03:03,440 --> 00:03:05,880 Speaker 1: Are our sales kind of started moving that way as well, 53 00:03:06,280 --> 00:03:08,840 Speaker 1: and so, um, we just kind of took that as 54 00:03:08,840 --> 00:03:12,040 Speaker 1: customer feedback. And uh we put a lot more effort 55 00:03:12,040 --> 00:03:16,839 Speaker 1: into the inertia system because it's cleaner, it's you're gonna 56 00:03:16,840 --> 00:03:21,960 Speaker 1: you're gonna shoot a wider range of shells with more reliability, 57 00:03:22,200 --> 00:03:25,400 Speaker 1: and uh, for those reasons, we just overall felt it 58 00:03:25,440 --> 00:03:28,200 Speaker 1: was a better fit for our line. Do you find 59 00:03:28,240 --> 00:03:32,160 Speaker 1: that the inertia shotguns so regardless of you know, being cleaner, 60 00:03:32,200 --> 00:03:35,160 Speaker 1: are they just more repeatable? There's less breakdowns, less issues 61 00:03:35,200 --> 00:03:38,960 Speaker 1: with the with the inertia than than with gas. Yeah, 62 00:03:39,000 --> 00:03:41,040 Speaker 1: I think so. I mean that really the benefit on 63 00:03:41,080 --> 00:03:44,120 Speaker 1: an on an inertia shotgun is that, um, you know, 64 00:03:44,360 --> 00:03:47,520 Speaker 1: shot shell and shot shell powder they're just they're they're 65 00:03:47,560 --> 00:03:51,640 Speaker 1: inherently dirty, and so when you're using that dirtiness to 66 00:03:51,760 --> 00:03:53,880 Speaker 1: cycle the action, um, you just get a lot of 67 00:03:53,880 --> 00:03:56,400 Speaker 1: build up inside and so you need to clean more 68 00:03:56,440 --> 00:03:59,760 Speaker 1: frequently on a gas gun. On an inertia gun pretty 69 00:03:59,840 --> 00:04:02,760 Speaker 1: much a hudd perent of the stuff that's you know, 70 00:04:02,960 --> 00:04:05,160 Speaker 1: firing the shot is leaving out the front of the 71 00:04:05,200 --> 00:04:07,520 Speaker 1: barrel and not coming back into the receiver where all 72 00:04:07,520 --> 00:04:11,000 Speaker 1: the moving parts are. So it just leads to a cleaner, 73 00:04:11,120 --> 00:04:15,680 Speaker 1: more repeatable system for sure. And so knowing how I 74 00:04:15,720 --> 00:04:18,000 Speaker 1: cleaned my shotguns inertia is definitely for me because I 75 00:04:18,040 --> 00:04:20,279 Speaker 1: don't like to breaking down and clean clean them very often, 76 00:04:20,400 --> 00:04:24,760 Speaker 1: so it's a bonus. Yeah. And then I'm always jump 77 00:04:24,839 --> 00:04:28,039 Speaker 1: on the you know, the turkey hunting forums, you know 78 00:04:28,080 --> 00:04:31,320 Speaker 1: all of that, and people talk about changing out spring. 79 00:04:31,400 --> 00:04:33,120 Speaker 1: So that kind of leads me to my next question 80 00:04:33,200 --> 00:04:35,680 Speaker 1: that we're still on inertia. You know, you guys are 81 00:04:35,720 --> 00:04:38,719 Speaker 1: trying to design a spring or use a spring rate 82 00:04:39,040 --> 00:04:42,800 Speaker 1: that you know, a comp a companies either a two 83 00:04:42,800 --> 00:04:44,680 Speaker 1: and three quarter inch low base all the way up 84 00:04:44,680 --> 00:04:46,800 Speaker 1: to your three and a half inch Turkey magnums. Have 85 00:04:46,920 --> 00:04:50,120 Speaker 1: you guys found that you're able to find a spring 86 00:04:50,200 --> 00:04:53,719 Speaker 1: that works, you know, fairly well from everything or um 87 00:04:54,320 --> 00:04:56,760 Speaker 1: does whether be promote, you know, finding a spring that 88 00:04:56,800 --> 00:04:59,279 Speaker 1: works better for the loads that you intend to shoot 89 00:04:59,279 --> 00:05:00,800 Speaker 1: out of the gun. You know, there's there's all this 90 00:05:00,880 --> 00:05:03,520 Speaker 1: hopping up, but there's also just buying them like I 91 00:05:03,600 --> 00:05:05,640 Speaker 1: do and shooting the thing, you know, and and it's 92 00:05:05,640 --> 00:05:08,880 Speaker 1: performing well no matter what I throw at it. So 93 00:05:09,360 --> 00:05:12,760 Speaker 1: from the factory, our guns are set up to run 94 00:05:13,800 --> 00:05:17,039 Speaker 1: mostly everything. So I think I would say there's two 95 00:05:17,040 --> 00:05:20,080 Speaker 1: exceptions to that. If you're a shooter that's gonna go 96 00:05:20,200 --> 00:05:23,240 Speaker 1: grab a gun and like just go run nothing but 97 00:05:23,400 --> 00:05:28,840 Speaker 1: low base like seven eighths shot like lightweight stuff. Um, 98 00:05:28,920 --> 00:05:31,919 Speaker 1: you you might benefit by getting a slightly lighter spring 99 00:05:32,040 --> 00:05:35,520 Speaker 1: rate if you have no intention on on shooting you know, 100 00:05:35,560 --> 00:05:39,119 Speaker 1: a heavier magnum load. Uh. If you do that, though, 101 00:05:39,240 --> 00:05:42,120 Speaker 1: you're probably gonna have issues with heavier magnum loads. What 102 00:05:42,160 --> 00:05:46,200 Speaker 1: we the spring we ship with I believe is like 103 00:05:46,400 --> 00:05:52,480 Speaker 1: the most forgiving across the range. That said, like if 104 00:05:52,720 --> 00:05:54,360 Speaker 1: you know, you get a brand new shotgun out of 105 00:05:54,360 --> 00:05:57,400 Speaker 1: the box, in your first hundred rounds, you you potentially 106 00:05:57,480 --> 00:06:00,440 Speaker 1: might have a few, uh, if you're shooting like light 107 00:06:00,480 --> 00:06:02,359 Speaker 1: field loads, you might have a few that failed to 108 00:06:02,400 --> 00:06:05,599 Speaker 1: cycle fully until you kind of wear in the gun 109 00:06:05,720 --> 00:06:08,200 Speaker 1: just a little bit. But typically after you get two 110 00:06:08,279 --> 00:06:11,960 Speaker 1: hundred rounds, it's gonna eat pretty much everything. And I 111 00:06:12,320 --> 00:06:14,839 Speaker 1: don't really recommend you play with the spring rate unless 112 00:06:14,839 --> 00:06:18,320 Speaker 1: it's for a purpose built shotgun like competition shooting, or 113 00:06:18,600 --> 00:06:21,560 Speaker 1: if you're gonna shoot nothing but heavy magnums. Going to 114 00:06:21,680 --> 00:06:24,400 Speaker 1: a heavier spring rate to soften the recoil a little 115 00:06:24,440 --> 00:06:26,880 Speaker 1: bit is an option. But like, if you call our 116 00:06:26,920 --> 00:06:29,000 Speaker 1: customer service, they're just gonna tell you to not mess 117 00:06:29,000 --> 00:06:32,240 Speaker 1: with it. I like that, Ander, And I noticed that 118 00:06:32,320 --> 00:06:35,159 Speaker 1: when I was first shooting the element Um just to 119 00:06:35,240 --> 00:06:37,279 Speaker 1: get my red dot sided in, I was shooting a 120 00:06:37,279 --> 00:06:39,760 Speaker 1: lot of just you know, low base seven eights loads, 121 00:06:40,240 --> 00:06:42,599 Speaker 1: and you know, it was funny. You could literally watch 122 00:06:42,600 --> 00:06:44,960 Speaker 1: how far the shotgun I was shooting from the same location, 123 00:06:45,000 --> 00:06:47,240 Speaker 1: Like the first show kicked a couple of feet away 124 00:06:47,240 --> 00:06:49,440 Speaker 1: from me, and that and that next show kicked you know, 125 00:06:49,440 --> 00:06:50,839 Speaker 1: six or seven and by time I got to the 126 00:06:50,960 --> 00:06:52,800 Speaker 1: you know, the turkey loads, we were kicking them out 127 00:06:52,839 --> 00:06:55,880 Speaker 1: there away. So yeah, that that spring, you know, as 128 00:06:55,920 --> 00:06:57,960 Speaker 1: you mentioned in that first hundred shots is definitely kind 129 00:06:57,960 --> 00:07:01,200 Speaker 1: of getting broken in and and fit in. So great 130 00:07:01,240 --> 00:07:03,960 Speaker 1: great information on why whether it be went with those 131 00:07:04,000 --> 00:07:09,240 Speaker 1: inertia UM shotguns and in lieu of using gas operated shotguns, 132 00:07:09,880 --> 00:07:12,600 Speaker 1: I would add just in you know, in full transparency 133 00:07:12,600 --> 00:07:15,400 Speaker 1: and fairness to that, like typically that that first hundred 134 00:07:15,440 --> 00:07:17,920 Speaker 1: shots is not necessarily something that you have to do 135 00:07:18,200 --> 00:07:21,080 Speaker 1: in a gas shotgun. But but that's your trade off 136 00:07:21,600 --> 00:07:24,520 Speaker 1: is like a gas gun is gonna, you know, from 137 00:07:24,600 --> 00:07:27,280 Speaker 1: the first shot probably give you the same performance as 138 00:07:27,320 --> 00:07:30,400 Speaker 1: it does in the last shot, assuming that you clean 139 00:07:30,440 --> 00:07:34,200 Speaker 1: it well all the way through. Uh. But the inertia guns, 140 00:07:34,240 --> 00:07:36,240 Speaker 1: it doesn't matter whose it is, a little bit of 141 00:07:36,240 --> 00:07:40,040 Speaker 1: breaking period is beneficial. Yeah, yeah, I thinks. So the 142 00:07:40,080 --> 00:07:42,520 Speaker 1: next question, which doesn't really apply to me because I'm 143 00:07:42,560 --> 00:07:45,320 Speaker 1: not necessarily an upland hunter, but um, how does the 144 00:07:45,400 --> 00:07:47,800 Speaker 1: Orion compared to the other over and unders out there 145 00:07:47,800 --> 00:07:51,720 Speaker 1: in the market and where's it placed? Uh? That is 146 00:07:51,960 --> 00:07:55,920 Speaker 1: that is one of the top questions we get the Orion, 147 00:07:56,840 --> 00:07:59,960 Speaker 1: which is our over under UM is kind of an 148 00:08:00,080 --> 00:08:03,600 Speaker 1: magical price points. So the over under market's unique. So 149 00:08:03,640 --> 00:08:07,680 Speaker 1: you get you, you get some of the upland guys 150 00:08:07,720 --> 00:08:11,280 Speaker 1: like I I sometimes joke the upland Hunters are like 151 00:08:11,320 --> 00:08:13,960 Speaker 1: the cost players of Hunters, Like they like to get 152 00:08:14,040 --> 00:08:18,200 Speaker 1: you know, the the wax cotton stuff, and UM almost 153 00:08:18,240 --> 00:08:20,560 Speaker 1: like play dress up a little more. I mean all 154 00:08:20,600 --> 00:08:22,840 Speaker 1: of us Hunters played dress up a little bit right 155 00:08:22,840 --> 00:08:26,560 Speaker 1: with the camo and whatnot, but UM, like some of 156 00:08:26,600 --> 00:08:28,640 Speaker 1: the over under guys take that to the next level. 157 00:08:28,640 --> 00:08:30,560 Speaker 1: And what that can lead to is like a competition 158 00:08:30,600 --> 00:08:34,080 Speaker 1: to see you has the most expensive gun. UM. I 159 00:08:34,120 --> 00:08:36,680 Speaker 1: think there's a law of diminishing returns with with some 160 00:08:36,800 --> 00:08:39,280 Speaker 1: of the game on the on the shotgun side, So 161 00:08:40,000 --> 00:08:43,520 Speaker 1: on the Orion specifically, we're around a thousand to eleven 162 00:08:43,559 --> 00:08:47,640 Speaker 1: hun bucks at retail UM and that I would put 163 00:08:47,679 --> 00:08:52,200 Speaker 1: the Orion up against. You're like silver Pigeons and White 164 00:08:52,200 --> 00:08:55,960 Speaker 1: Onyx and Satris all day long, but those are all 165 00:08:56,000 --> 00:08:59,920 Speaker 1: two thousand dollar plus guns. So for basically half the price, 166 00:09:00,080 --> 00:09:02,520 Speaker 1: you get the same level of performance. We have some 167 00:09:02,520 --> 00:09:05,440 Speaker 1: pretty good looking wood on on the Orion's as well, 168 00:09:05,760 --> 00:09:09,280 Speaker 1: and the metalwork and the lock up is really really solid, 169 00:09:09,800 --> 00:09:13,000 Speaker 1: and so you get substantially more than you would get 170 00:09:13,040 --> 00:09:15,880 Speaker 1: out of like, uh, some of the guns that are 171 00:09:15,920 --> 00:09:18,600 Speaker 1: in that like you know, three to six hundred dollar 172 00:09:18,679 --> 00:09:20,680 Speaker 1: price point, and there's just really a gap in the 173 00:09:20,720 --> 00:09:23,920 Speaker 1: over undermarket from like that six hundred dollars to the 174 00:09:23,920 --> 00:09:26,360 Speaker 1: Orion at a thousand, and so what we're seeing is 175 00:09:26,400 --> 00:09:28,760 Speaker 1: that people want to be taken seriously and not show 176 00:09:28,840 --> 00:09:30,679 Speaker 1: up with like, you know, just a kind of a 177 00:09:31,160 --> 00:09:34,520 Speaker 1: junkie over under. And they show up and like you know, 178 00:09:34,720 --> 00:09:38,520 Speaker 1: can hang with uh with the two thousand shotguns all 179 00:09:38,559 --> 00:09:41,120 Speaker 1: day long, and then they can spend more money on 180 00:09:41,120 --> 00:09:46,240 Speaker 1: their wax cotton perfect. You gotta you gotta look the part, 181 00:09:46,280 --> 00:09:48,600 Speaker 1: you gotta feel the part. But you know, if if 182 00:09:48,600 --> 00:09:50,760 Speaker 1: those guys are like me, you know, it comes down 183 00:09:50,800 --> 00:09:52,720 Speaker 1: to performance, and you want that gun to perform, which 184 00:09:52,720 --> 00:09:54,560 Speaker 1: it sounds like that gun. You know, talking with cal 185 00:09:54,679 --> 00:09:56,720 Speaker 1: and um, you know he shoots. I think the twenty 186 00:09:56,760 --> 00:09:59,160 Speaker 1: gauge Orian you know, had had great luck and really 187 00:09:59,200 --> 00:10:01,560 Speaker 1: likes that gun for all the the upland stuff he does. 188 00:10:02,320 --> 00:10:05,800 Speaker 1: I think I was talking to Callaghan right after we 189 00:10:05,840 --> 00:10:09,480 Speaker 1: sent him the twenty gage Oriyan and he goes, dude, 190 00:10:09,480 --> 00:10:12,040 Speaker 1: there's something magical about this gun. Like I've been hunting 191 00:10:12,040 --> 00:10:15,319 Speaker 1: for a long time. I'm out there with snort and 192 00:10:15,559 --> 00:10:18,520 Speaker 1: my my first three shots are three kills. He's like, 193 00:10:18,559 --> 00:10:21,120 Speaker 1: I'm not that good of a shooter, so it must 194 00:10:21,160 --> 00:10:26,480 Speaker 1: be the gun perfect perfect. So I really appreciate you 195 00:10:26,520 --> 00:10:29,600 Speaker 1: taking you know, those two questions. Um. Once again, if 196 00:10:29,600 --> 00:10:32,480 Speaker 1: you have any questions for any of our guests you 197 00:10:32,520 --> 00:10:34,960 Speaker 1: want answered, feel free to hit us up on social 198 00:10:35,120 --> 00:10:38,360 Speaker 1: or email us at ct D at Phelps game Calls 199 00:10:38,400 --> 00:10:40,400 Speaker 1: dot Com. Will do our best to kind of put 200 00:10:40,440 --> 00:10:43,040 Speaker 1: him into the podcast. So now we're gonna jump into 201 00:10:43,040 --> 00:10:45,000 Speaker 1: some of the questions I had for you and and 202 00:10:45,040 --> 00:10:48,000 Speaker 1: just kind of go through your lineup. UM, what's there? 203 00:10:48,080 --> 00:10:50,480 Speaker 1: What each gun is good at? UM? What you know? 204 00:10:50,600 --> 00:10:53,400 Speaker 1: And we'll walk through that. So my my first question 205 00:10:53,440 --> 00:10:55,400 Speaker 1: for you is can you walk us through those models? 206 00:10:55,400 --> 00:10:57,880 Speaker 1: We we actually already mentioned them all, but the eighteen I, 207 00:10:58,080 --> 00:11:01,440 Speaker 1: the element, the Oriyan kind of differences in them, and 208 00:11:01,720 --> 00:11:03,880 Speaker 1: as we were talking before, the podcast is kind of 209 00:11:03,920 --> 00:11:06,440 Speaker 1: a step up in nature. You know, you've got different 210 00:11:06,559 --> 00:11:09,440 Speaker 1: levels to the shotgun. UM, so if you can explain 211 00:11:09,480 --> 00:11:13,040 Speaker 1: that a little bit, Yeah, So we'll talk about um 212 00:11:13,200 --> 00:11:15,560 Speaker 1: kind of the element, then the eight nine, then the orion. 213 00:11:15,720 --> 00:11:20,360 Speaker 1: So the element family is UH. It's inertia driven. As 214 00:11:20,400 --> 00:11:23,400 Speaker 1: we talked about. We import those shotguns out of Turkey, 215 00:11:23,480 --> 00:11:27,520 Speaker 1: and there's multiple models. So we've got the base model, 216 00:11:27,600 --> 00:11:30,800 Speaker 1: which is the element synthetic and pretty much all of 217 00:11:30,880 --> 00:11:34,280 Speaker 1: these that all of the elements are available in four varieties. 218 00:11:34,280 --> 00:11:38,480 Speaker 1: So you've got a twenty gauge with a twenty six 219 00:11:38,559 --> 00:11:40,760 Speaker 1: and twenty eight inch barrel, and then you got a 220 00:11:40,800 --> 00:11:44,040 Speaker 1: twelve gauge with a twenty six and twenty eight inch barrel, 221 00:11:44,520 --> 00:11:47,160 Speaker 1: and then all of the elements are going to be 222 00:11:47,240 --> 00:11:50,920 Speaker 1: a three inch chamber. So we got the base model, 223 00:11:50,960 --> 00:11:53,960 Speaker 1: which is an element synthetic, and then kind of moving 224 00:11:54,040 --> 00:11:57,480 Speaker 1: up in the line, then you've got the Element upland, 225 00:11:57,600 --> 00:12:03,720 Speaker 1: which is UH like a map fish walnut with glossy 226 00:12:04,360 --> 00:12:07,840 Speaker 1: metalwork with it's a gloss blued metalwork, So if you're 227 00:12:07,840 --> 00:12:11,440 Speaker 1: gonna do waterfowl duty, that's probably not the best option. 228 00:12:11,920 --> 00:12:15,640 Speaker 1: Then we have the Element Waterfowl that is a camo 229 00:12:15,720 --> 00:12:18,480 Speaker 1: dipped it's available in a couple of different patterns. And 230 00:12:18,520 --> 00:12:22,600 Speaker 1: then my personal favorite is the Element Tungsten, which is 231 00:12:22,640 --> 00:12:27,959 Speaker 1: a black polymer stock with tungsten sera coat on all 232 00:12:27,960 --> 00:12:31,000 Speaker 1: the metalwork. It really looks good and has a ton 233 00:12:31,040 --> 00:12:36,880 Speaker 1: of corrosion resistance from the sera coat. UM. So on 234 00:12:36,920 --> 00:12:39,720 Speaker 1: all of those UM, I don't know every single price 235 00:12:39,720 --> 00:12:42,040 Speaker 1: point off the top of my head, but prices basically 236 00:12:42,120 --> 00:12:44,920 Speaker 1: roughly start at retailer from like six hundred to about 237 00:12:45,000 --> 00:12:47,200 Speaker 1: eight hundred, you know, as you kind of step up 238 00:12:47,200 --> 00:12:51,240 Speaker 1: in model. And then on the eighteen I family we 239 00:12:51,440 --> 00:12:56,800 Speaker 1: have the water fowler Um, the eight Synthetic, which just 240 00:12:56,880 --> 00:13:01,719 Speaker 1: as all black with blued metalwork, and then we've got 241 00:13:01,720 --> 00:13:04,760 Speaker 1: the eighteen NI Deluxe, which is like a semi fancy 242 00:13:04,920 --> 00:13:07,719 Speaker 1: wal nut. There's some really amazing pieces of wood in 243 00:13:07,760 --> 00:13:11,040 Speaker 1: the EIGHTEENI Deluxe, and then it has a nickel finished 244 00:13:11,040 --> 00:13:15,120 Speaker 1: aluminum receiver UM and the the Deluxe is a three 245 00:13:15,160 --> 00:13:17,280 Speaker 1: inch chamber, and then all the other models of the 246 00:13:17,320 --> 00:13:19,880 Speaker 1: eighteen I or three and a half, and so that's 247 00:13:19,880 --> 00:13:22,240 Speaker 1: part of that step up strategy. The elements three inch 248 00:13:22,400 --> 00:13:25,240 Speaker 1: chamber e ten I except for the Deluxe is a 249 00:13:25,320 --> 00:13:30,440 Speaker 1: three and a half UM. And additionally, the receiver on 250 00:13:30,600 --> 00:13:33,000 Speaker 1: the eight teen I has a dovetail. If you want 251 00:13:33,000 --> 00:13:35,959 Speaker 1: to mount an optic, you can do that easily. Um, 252 00:13:36,000 --> 00:13:38,840 Speaker 1: you could also mount an optic to an element, but 253 00:13:38,840 --> 00:13:41,200 Speaker 1: it's going to require a little bit of gunsmith attention 254 00:13:41,280 --> 00:13:45,160 Speaker 1: to to drill and tap some holes for you. Um, 255 00:13:45,200 --> 00:13:47,680 Speaker 1: It's it's doable. We just don't ship it that way. 256 00:13:47,800 --> 00:13:52,000 Speaker 1: It would add costs that most people are not mounting 257 00:13:52,320 --> 00:13:55,440 Speaker 1: optics to shotguns today, so there's a reason why we 258 00:13:55,520 --> 00:13:57,760 Speaker 1: do that. But then we put the costs into the 259 00:13:57,800 --> 00:14:00,640 Speaker 1: eighteen I so that if people really did want to 260 00:14:00,640 --> 00:14:03,080 Speaker 1: do that, they could step up. Eighteen eyes are going 261 00:14:03,120 --> 00:14:09,240 Speaker 1: to be going from basically right right at nine on 262 00:14:09,360 --> 00:14:11,840 Speaker 1: the synthetic models and the Waterfowl model, and then the 263 00:14:11,880 --> 00:14:14,120 Speaker 1: Deluxe is gonna it's kind of a bigger step up. 264 00:14:14,160 --> 00:14:16,480 Speaker 1: You're you're up about eighteen hundred bucks for the Deluxe 265 00:14:16,480 --> 00:14:19,120 Speaker 1: because you get that nice wood, the high glass metalwork. 266 00:14:19,160 --> 00:14:21,800 Speaker 1: They really look nice. Yeah, it look really good. I 267 00:14:22,200 --> 00:14:23,920 Speaker 1: did have a question for you, Luke. Are you guys 268 00:14:23,960 --> 00:14:28,440 Speaker 1: still making the Turkey specific element with that short barrel 269 00:14:28,560 --> 00:14:30,800 Speaker 1: or we are, yes, thank you. I kind of glossed 270 00:14:30,800 --> 00:14:33,040 Speaker 1: over that. So we actually have a family on our 271 00:14:33,040 --> 00:14:36,360 Speaker 1: website that we just call the Element Turkey that has 272 00:14:36,400 --> 00:14:38,680 Speaker 1: a twenty two inch barrel that we offer in both 273 00:14:38,720 --> 00:14:42,000 Speaker 1: a twelve and a twenty so and that comes with 274 00:14:42,040 --> 00:14:44,880 Speaker 1: an extended choke from the factory. It will be an 275 00:14:44,880 --> 00:14:49,680 Speaker 1: extended full So yeah, it's thank you for the reminder 276 00:14:49,720 --> 00:14:52,760 Speaker 1: on that. Yeah, and and um, you know, I want 277 00:14:52,760 --> 00:14:54,440 Speaker 1: to talk a little bit about I'm gonna go on 278 00:14:54,440 --> 00:14:56,880 Speaker 1: a little tangent here on your luke. But um, you 279 00:14:56,920 --> 00:14:59,520 Speaker 1: know we with SS coming on board and in the 280 00:14:59,520 --> 00:15:02,360 Speaker 1: big chain es like these twenty gauges and twenty two. 281 00:15:02,840 --> 00:15:04,600 Speaker 1: It's so nice to be able to pack a gun 282 00:15:04,640 --> 00:15:08,880 Speaker 1: around that ways you know, sub seven pounds, um, And 283 00:15:08,880 --> 00:15:11,080 Speaker 1: and you're shooting twenty gauges and the things you're throwing 284 00:15:11,120 --> 00:15:13,320 Speaker 1: patterns like our you know, our our three and a 285 00:15:13,360 --> 00:15:16,240 Speaker 1: half inch magnums were you know, ten years ago with 286 00:15:16,240 --> 00:15:18,920 Speaker 1: with old lead shot. And so these twenty gauges, I 287 00:15:18,920 --> 00:15:21,720 Speaker 1: think we're gonna continue to just see growing popularity more 288 00:15:21,720 --> 00:15:24,720 Speaker 1: and more so is youth turkey hunters or even grown 289 00:15:24,800 --> 00:15:27,680 Speaker 1: ups that just you know, adults that don't want to 290 00:15:27,800 --> 00:15:31,480 Speaker 1: uh pack a big heavy twelve gauge around. Um, you know, 291 00:15:31,560 --> 00:15:36,160 Speaker 1: those those little short guns with TSS are just um man, 292 00:15:36,200 --> 00:15:39,480 Speaker 1: they're impressive. That t S S is mean stuff. I 293 00:15:39,520 --> 00:15:43,480 Speaker 1: can't Yeah, it's unless you've seen it, you know, perform. 294 00:15:43,720 --> 00:15:46,680 Speaker 1: It's people think you're lying when you talk about how 295 00:15:46,720 --> 00:15:50,720 Speaker 1: good it is, but it's so amazing. Yeah. We had 296 00:15:51,200 --> 00:15:53,840 Speaker 1: a turkey in Kansas this year, a twenty gauge. My 297 00:15:53,880 --> 00:15:57,520 Speaker 1: buddy shoots a twenty gauge, UM, and it hung up 298 00:15:57,560 --> 00:15:59,920 Speaker 1: it It came into twenty seven, didn't have a good shot, 299 00:16:00,120 --> 00:16:01,800 Speaker 1: kind of hung up out there at forty and the 300 00:16:01,800 --> 00:16:03,560 Speaker 1: thing never even moved. I mean, and that's just the 301 00:16:03,600 --> 00:16:06,360 Speaker 1: twenty gage with T s S. It's it's incredible stuff. 302 00:16:06,360 --> 00:16:09,440 Speaker 1: But starting to make some of these, uh, these smaller 303 00:16:09,520 --> 00:16:13,520 Speaker 1: you know, sub gauges or smaller gauge shotguns. UM, you know, 304 00:16:13,800 --> 00:16:17,200 Speaker 1: really really good turkey medicine. I can't tell you a 305 00:16:17,240 --> 00:16:20,240 Speaker 1: real quick story about that. So my son I was 306 00:16:20,320 --> 00:16:23,560 Speaker 1: hunting with him in South Dakota this year, UM, and 307 00:16:23,680 --> 00:16:25,560 Speaker 1: I gave him a rifle that had a red dot 308 00:16:25,640 --> 00:16:29,440 Speaker 1: on it. Um, And not a rifle, it was my 309 00:16:29,520 --> 00:16:32,080 Speaker 1: shotgun with a red dot on it. We had turkeys 310 00:16:32,080 --> 00:16:35,280 Speaker 1: that hung up at like thirty yards and he pulls 311 00:16:35,360 --> 00:16:37,800 Speaker 1: up on him and he shoots, and I'm watching the bird. 312 00:16:38,080 --> 00:16:40,480 Speaker 1: Nothing happens, and he's like, I nailed it, Like what 313 00:16:40,560 --> 00:16:43,840 Speaker 1: are you talking about well, there was another bird at 314 00:16:43,840 --> 00:16:45,880 Speaker 1: sixty yards. He didn't see the one at thirty. He 315 00:16:45,920 --> 00:16:48,840 Speaker 1: saw the one at sixty and absolutely crushed a bird 316 00:16:48,840 --> 00:16:52,840 Speaker 1: at sixty yards with that t S S. And I'm like, 317 00:16:53,240 --> 00:16:55,440 Speaker 1: holy cow, that stuffs mean it. I mean it was 318 00:16:55,480 --> 00:16:58,600 Speaker 1: dead in its tracks. Yep, yeah, it's it's impressive. I 319 00:16:59,120 --> 00:17:01,640 Speaker 1: shot my turkey the sar it under thirty with the 320 00:17:01,680 --> 00:17:06,200 Speaker 1: twelve gauge and you know, the element and three TSS 321 00:17:06,240 --> 00:17:08,840 Speaker 1: and I felt bad for it because it was it 322 00:17:08,880 --> 00:17:12,359 Speaker 1: wasn't pretty, but no incredible stuff. You know out of 323 00:17:12,400 --> 00:17:16,159 Speaker 1: your guys guns, um, great results. So I have to 324 00:17:16,200 --> 00:17:18,240 Speaker 1: ask why we're here and maybe you're you're not at 325 00:17:18,240 --> 00:17:20,480 Speaker 1: the liberty to say yet, but is there any talks 326 00:17:20,480 --> 00:17:23,359 Speaker 1: in smaller shotguns? I know out west right now, like 327 00:17:23,400 --> 00:17:24,920 Speaker 1: there's a lot of groups of guys like you can 328 00:17:24,920 --> 00:17:27,080 Speaker 1: only bring a four ten to camp now with TSS 329 00:17:27,160 --> 00:17:31,240 Speaker 1: and yeah, the sub gauge guys are are definitely growing 330 00:17:31,240 --> 00:17:35,160 Speaker 1: in number, UM, and I guess I would just say, uh, 331 00:17:35,400 --> 00:17:38,560 Speaker 1: stay tuned. We do have some some work, some some 332 00:17:38,560 --> 00:17:41,760 Speaker 1: some sub gage stuff in the works. So no, no 333 00:17:41,840 --> 00:17:45,160 Speaker 1: specific timeline right now, but uh, yeah we're not We're 334 00:17:45,200 --> 00:17:48,760 Speaker 1: not ignorant to the fact that they're growing a popularity. Yeah, 335 00:17:49,680 --> 00:17:51,800 Speaker 1: I think they're more curious that it's to you know, 336 00:17:51,920 --> 00:17:54,040 Speaker 1: maintain the sport of turkey hunt. And it happened to 337 00:17:54,080 --> 00:17:57,000 Speaker 1: get things that thirty or thirty five yards versus as 338 00:17:57,080 --> 00:17:59,320 Speaker 1: we just said, tss out of a twenty or twelve. 339 00:18:00,160 --> 00:18:02,240 Speaker 1: It's almost like turning the game onto cheap mode a 340 00:18:02,280 --> 00:18:04,000 Speaker 1: little bit if you want to, if you don't have 341 00:18:04,040 --> 00:18:07,080 Speaker 1: the restraint, um, you know, did not pull the trigger. 342 00:18:07,840 --> 00:18:10,919 Speaker 1: Uh So yeah, that's that's good to hear. Um. So 343 00:18:11,160 --> 00:18:14,040 Speaker 1: on they on on that on the turkey model that 344 00:18:14,080 --> 00:18:18,120 Speaker 1: you brought up. A full disclosure, I'm like a hardcore 345 00:18:18,160 --> 00:18:21,560 Speaker 1: waterfowl guy, and so that was like my main entry 346 00:18:21,600 --> 00:18:24,560 Speaker 1: into all of hunting was waterfowl. Uh. And so I 347 00:18:24,640 --> 00:18:27,520 Speaker 1: was kind of a guy that like always wanted to 348 00:18:27,640 --> 00:18:33,000 Speaker 1: have one shotgun to rule them all. And just like 349 00:18:33,040 --> 00:18:35,159 Speaker 1: in the last couple of years, I've been carrying a 350 00:18:35,200 --> 00:18:38,800 Speaker 1: turkey you know, turkey length barrel in the field and 351 00:18:38,960 --> 00:18:41,720 Speaker 1: like a light bulb went off for me on why 352 00:18:41,760 --> 00:18:45,240 Speaker 1: the why the shorter barrel was such a huge benefit. Um, 353 00:18:46,800 --> 00:18:49,840 Speaker 1: I didn't hit any branches on trees anymore with a 354 00:18:50,440 --> 00:18:52,480 Speaker 1: inch barrel. You've got quite a bit of barrel when 355 00:18:52,480 --> 00:18:54,959 Speaker 1: you've got the shotgun over your shoulder, that's hanging up 356 00:18:55,000 --> 00:18:57,280 Speaker 1: out there, and you're just hanging up on trees left 357 00:18:57,320 --> 00:18:59,800 Speaker 1: and right, and on the shorter like twenty or twenty 358 00:18:59,800 --> 00:19:03,640 Speaker 1: two inch barrel. You know, it's only six inches, but man, 359 00:19:03,680 --> 00:19:05,840 Speaker 1: it makes a huge difference just when you're kind of 360 00:19:06,320 --> 00:19:08,199 Speaker 1: picking your way through the woods when you're trying to 361 00:19:08,200 --> 00:19:10,560 Speaker 1: make a stock on some turkeys, and I'm like, oh, 362 00:19:10,720 --> 00:19:13,040 Speaker 1: light bulb, that's why this is a thing. And so 363 00:19:13,119 --> 00:19:15,600 Speaker 1: now now I'm now I'm okay with being a multiple 364 00:19:15,640 --> 00:19:19,800 Speaker 1: shotgun guy. Yeah, yeah, no, I there's something to be 365 00:19:19,840 --> 00:19:22,639 Speaker 1: said for you know, packability and not getting hung up 366 00:19:22,680 --> 00:19:26,080 Speaker 1: on everything for sure. And you know I always sho 367 00:19:26,400 --> 00:19:29,280 Speaker 1: back in the old days, you know, mass prigate five 368 00:19:29,359 --> 00:19:31,240 Speaker 1: with a long but it's just a pain. And so 369 00:19:31,280 --> 00:19:35,080 Speaker 1: these these shorter barrels are definitely nicer. Um, you know, 370 00:19:35,119 --> 00:19:37,840 Speaker 1: to pack around the woods, regardless of what what you're hunting. 371 00:19:53,840 --> 00:19:57,080 Speaker 1: So I my introduction to whether be I and I'm 372 00:19:57,119 --> 00:19:59,240 Speaker 1: completely honest, Like last year I showed up for the 373 00:19:59,320 --> 00:20:02,159 Speaker 1: duckler episod. Oh, I'm not a big waterfowl hunter, you know, 374 00:20:02,240 --> 00:20:05,040 Speaker 1: I've I've shot some you know, traps, some skeet and 375 00:20:05,080 --> 00:20:08,520 Speaker 1: stuff before, you know, fairly comfortable at swinging and shooting, 376 00:20:08,600 --> 00:20:10,480 Speaker 1: and you know, it's it's a little bit of second nature. 377 00:20:10,480 --> 00:20:12,679 Speaker 1: So we show up with Sean um there in the 378 00:20:12,720 --> 00:20:16,119 Speaker 1: potholes of Washington for a Duckler episode and he hands 379 00:20:16,160 --> 00:20:18,520 Speaker 1: me whether weather be element and I'm all right, you know, 380 00:20:18,520 --> 00:20:22,119 Speaker 1: and this this gun had already been through I don't know, 381 00:20:22,200 --> 00:20:24,399 Speaker 1: four or five stops. You know, it's it's it's not 382 00:20:24,440 --> 00:20:27,040 Speaker 1: anybody's personal gun. So people are beating it around, you know, 383 00:20:27,080 --> 00:20:29,320 Speaker 1: throwing it around. It's obvious that the gun had been 384 00:20:29,560 --> 00:20:32,320 Speaker 1: used a lot to this point. And you know, we're 385 00:20:32,320 --> 00:20:34,840 Speaker 1: I think we're shooting. I was shooting Federal Black Cloud 386 00:20:34,920 --> 00:20:37,760 Speaker 1: that day. And um, we we get our scouting all done, 387 00:20:38,080 --> 00:20:41,080 Speaker 1: get down into the setup, and that first morning, um, 388 00:20:41,160 --> 00:20:43,159 Speaker 1: you know, get to start shooting it. And I I 389 00:20:43,200 --> 00:20:45,840 Speaker 1: can't say because I'm I'm not a water fell hunter. 390 00:20:45,920 --> 00:20:48,760 Speaker 1: I'm I don't know what to expect out of a shotgun. 391 00:20:49,280 --> 00:20:51,440 Speaker 1: But man, the thing shot well, at tracked, well, it 392 00:20:51,560 --> 00:20:55,360 Speaker 1: cycled everything I threw at it, um and uh on. 393 00:20:55,359 --> 00:20:58,280 Speaker 1: On that episode. Also, I have to say that these 394 00:20:58,359 --> 00:21:01,080 Speaker 1: these elements make a heck of a a boat or 395 00:21:01,480 --> 00:21:03,399 Speaker 1: um if you need to row back to to to 396 00:21:04,040 --> 00:21:06,880 Speaker 1: doc after your boat breaks down. So you know, the gun, 397 00:21:07,920 --> 00:21:12,720 Speaker 1: how far did uh? We're guessing eight hundred to a 398 00:21:12,800 --> 00:21:16,720 Speaker 1: thousand yards. And the way we got lucky is it 399 00:21:16,720 --> 00:21:18,600 Speaker 1: was supposed to be. We were checking the wind, you know, 400 00:21:18,640 --> 00:21:21,800 Speaker 1: like every good duck hunter should. Um, we were supposed 401 00:21:21,840 --> 00:21:23,320 Speaker 1: to have a win. That would have never let us 402 00:21:23,440 --> 00:21:25,640 Speaker 1: roll back. But thankfully, you know, hour and a half 403 00:21:25,680 --> 00:21:27,520 Speaker 1: before daylight, the wind was blowing the wrong way and 404 00:21:27,560 --> 00:21:30,280 Speaker 1: actually was helping us out a little bit. Otherwise we 405 00:21:30,320 --> 00:21:32,000 Speaker 1: would have had to we had made the call a 406 00:21:32,040 --> 00:21:36,040 Speaker 1: shame to get a tow or come get picked up. Yeah, 407 00:21:36,080 --> 00:21:39,560 Speaker 1: it was we We started with you know stomp seats 408 00:21:39,800 --> 00:21:41,320 Speaker 1: you know, as our row, and they weren't working well. 409 00:21:41,359 --> 00:21:44,280 Speaker 1: So we took the shotguns in their cases and used 410 00:21:44,280 --> 00:21:46,199 Speaker 1: the butts, and you know, we went and finished it 411 00:21:46,200 --> 00:21:48,199 Speaker 1: off with a goose hunt the following day where we 412 00:21:48,200 --> 00:21:50,560 Speaker 1: didn't need the boat, and then um went and walked 413 00:21:50,680 --> 00:21:53,200 Speaker 1: in and the gun performed well. So tell us a 414 00:21:53,240 --> 00:21:55,800 Speaker 1: little bit, you know on your waterfowl hunting. You know 415 00:21:55,840 --> 00:21:57,479 Speaker 1: that we've already talked about the element but is there 416 00:21:57,480 --> 00:21:59,720 Speaker 1: anything else you want to go into or or chokes 417 00:21:59,760 --> 00:22:02,840 Speaker 1: at ups or or stuff that you know you think 418 00:22:02,920 --> 00:22:05,840 Speaker 1: you want to talk about. Is regarding your guys shotguns 419 00:22:05,840 --> 00:22:09,560 Speaker 1: and water failing. Yeah, so I guess on a choke 420 00:22:09,600 --> 00:22:12,160 Speaker 1: set up perspective, all of our shotguns are gonna ship 421 00:22:12,200 --> 00:22:15,359 Speaker 1: with multiple chokes, so it's gonna have, you know, a 422 00:22:15,440 --> 00:22:20,679 Speaker 1: cylinder modified improved cylinder a full across the board. UM. 423 00:22:20,800 --> 00:22:23,840 Speaker 1: The the difference in the element in the E ten 424 00:22:23,920 --> 00:22:26,960 Speaker 1: I choke system is that the element uses the the 425 00:22:27,040 --> 00:22:31,760 Speaker 1: I m C choke system UM, and then the UH 426 00:22:31,840 --> 00:22:34,440 Speaker 1: A ten I uses the cry O plus, which is 427 00:22:34,520 --> 00:22:38,200 Speaker 1: kind of what the newer Bonelli's and Burretta's are using. 428 00:22:38,280 --> 00:22:41,720 Speaker 1: So you can absolutely run an aftermarket choke in both, 429 00:22:41,760 --> 00:22:43,439 Speaker 1: but you just need to note the difference in the 430 00:22:43,520 --> 00:22:46,359 Speaker 1: I m C and the cry O plus from the 431 00:22:46,440 --> 00:22:49,800 Speaker 1: element and the A T and I. UM. I typically 432 00:22:49,840 --> 00:22:54,720 Speaker 1: just shoot our standard modified choke. Probably not that great 433 00:22:54,720 --> 00:22:57,080 Speaker 1: of a shooter that I can tell a massive difference 434 00:22:57,080 --> 00:23:00,800 Speaker 1: in my pattern. UM, but I feel like I hit 435 00:23:00,840 --> 00:23:02,920 Speaker 1: more birds than most of the guys said I hunt 436 00:23:02,960 --> 00:23:05,720 Speaker 1: with at the same time. So UM, I just like 437 00:23:05,880 --> 00:23:08,240 Speaker 1: to I just like to leave a standard set up 438 00:23:08,280 --> 00:23:12,120 Speaker 1: with a modified and I run Black Cloud a lot 439 00:23:12,200 --> 00:23:15,400 Speaker 1: and some other loads as well. But um man, I think, 440 00:23:15,520 --> 00:23:18,560 Speaker 1: I think, uh, the big thing is just go do it. 441 00:23:18,760 --> 00:23:21,359 Speaker 1: Get time in the field. That's the number one number 442 00:23:21,400 --> 00:23:25,320 Speaker 1: one tip is do it more. Yep, yep, um, you 443 00:23:25,400 --> 00:23:27,960 Speaker 1: know the same thing. And then so then I get 444 00:23:28,000 --> 00:23:30,200 Speaker 1: getting ready for Turkey season and really want to shoot, 445 00:23:30,400 --> 00:23:33,040 Speaker 1: you know, Like as I mentioned, I've been an old 446 00:23:33,080 --> 00:23:35,080 Speaker 1: pump guy eight thirty five. I had the gun kind 447 00:23:35,080 --> 00:23:37,639 Speaker 1: of all set up for Turkey. It was great, but 448 00:23:38,040 --> 00:23:40,400 Speaker 1: I had seen what was available through you know, your 449 00:23:40,400 --> 00:23:43,000 Speaker 1: guys guns through some of the Meat Eater team that 450 00:23:43,040 --> 00:23:45,360 Speaker 1: we're already shooting them with TSS, and I'm like, man, 451 00:23:45,960 --> 00:23:48,560 Speaker 1: I'm I'm getting dumped to put up a pattern that's 452 00:23:48,560 --> 00:23:51,679 Speaker 1: half as good as that with some of the new stuff. So, um, 453 00:23:51,920 --> 00:23:55,720 Speaker 1: we get an element ordered up and you know, I've 454 00:23:55,720 --> 00:23:58,240 Speaker 1: got a loophold red dot ready. Um, I got an 455 00:23:58,280 --> 00:24:01,440 Speaker 1: Indian Creek choke ready in. We throw some number nine 456 00:24:01,960 --> 00:24:05,120 Speaker 1: TSS down it, and man, am I impressed. But one 457 00:24:05,119 --> 00:24:06,560 Speaker 1: of the things, rut of the gate I'm gonna I'm 458 00:24:06,560 --> 00:24:08,280 Speaker 1: gonna give you. I can't let you off the podcast 459 00:24:08,320 --> 00:24:10,640 Speaker 1: without giving you a little bit of grief. So I'm 460 00:24:10,920 --> 00:24:14,720 Speaker 1: sitting here already, you know, me being me. Everything's late, 461 00:24:14,760 --> 00:24:17,240 Speaker 1: it's getting close to season. Um. I think I emailed 462 00:24:17,240 --> 00:24:20,920 Speaker 1: you right off the bat, uh luke that Hey, yeah, 463 00:24:20,920 --> 00:24:22,360 Speaker 1: because I think I was looking at the eight ten 464 00:24:22,400 --> 00:24:24,080 Speaker 1: nine and I've seen that you guys had the dovetail 465 00:24:24,160 --> 00:24:25,720 Speaker 1: on it, and then that there were adapters. I could 466 00:24:25,720 --> 00:24:28,680 Speaker 1: go right to a rail, and I guess I that's 467 00:24:28,720 --> 00:24:31,000 Speaker 1: my own fault. I wasn't looking. So I had ordered 468 00:24:31,000 --> 00:24:32,679 Speaker 1: a system that was ready for the teen I and 469 00:24:32,680 --> 00:24:35,640 Speaker 1: wasn't ready to mount to the element UM. You guys 470 00:24:35,720 --> 00:24:38,240 Speaker 1: have any plans to drill and tap that receiver UM 471 00:24:38,359 --> 00:24:41,760 Speaker 1: in the future. But I was able to quickly get 472 00:24:41,760 --> 00:24:44,359 Speaker 1: a rail fifteen minutes. You know a little bit of 473 00:24:44,400 --> 00:24:47,040 Speaker 1: gun smith ing and and you know the back end 474 00:24:47,080 --> 00:24:49,040 Speaker 1: of that receiver, and I'm just gonna pass on. This 475 00:24:49,119 --> 00:24:51,239 Speaker 1: is not weather be saying this. This is me and 476 00:24:51,280 --> 00:24:54,399 Speaker 1: my own gunsmithing. UM. The back of the receiver has 477 00:24:54,400 --> 00:24:55,919 Speaker 1: a whole bunch of medal, and we were able to 478 00:24:55,920 --> 00:24:59,679 Speaker 1: get you know, the entire UM screw set and then 479 00:24:59,720 --> 00:25:01,680 Speaker 1: the other are ones we did. We're able to get 480 00:25:01,720 --> 00:25:03,959 Speaker 1: set with you know, at least three threads and then 481 00:25:04,000 --> 00:25:05,000 Speaker 1: we had to do just a little bit of a 482 00:25:05,040 --> 00:25:08,000 Speaker 1: grinding on the inside, but a real simple process. Weather 483 00:25:08,040 --> 00:25:10,199 Speaker 1: Bees not promoting this, but it's what we knew we 484 00:25:10,240 --> 00:25:12,920 Speaker 1: had to do to get that red dot mounted. Um 485 00:25:13,200 --> 00:25:15,720 Speaker 1: is there any you know, future plans for maybe drilling 486 00:25:15,760 --> 00:25:18,040 Speaker 1: and tapping that element or is as you had mentioned, 487 00:25:18,119 --> 00:25:20,240 Speaker 1: is it is it more of a point and shoe 488 00:25:20,400 --> 00:25:23,000 Speaker 1: or you guys just feel that enough people aren't putting 489 00:25:23,000 --> 00:25:26,560 Speaker 1: optics on those No. I definitely think that there's more 490 00:25:26,600 --> 00:25:30,400 Speaker 1: optics coming um there. There's no doubt there's more optics 491 00:25:30,400 --> 00:25:34,160 Speaker 1: available from you know, vortex and loophold and others coming 492 00:25:34,200 --> 00:25:37,760 Speaker 1: into the space. Um So it's it's absolutely something that 493 00:25:37,800 --> 00:25:41,639 Speaker 1: we're aware of and uh in the element family, I 494 00:25:41,680 --> 00:25:44,439 Speaker 1: will say that on some future models, I think you 495 00:25:44,480 --> 00:25:47,960 Speaker 1: can look forward to some abilities to mount optics easier 496 00:25:47,960 --> 00:25:51,440 Speaker 1: than today. Yeah, there were you know, there are options 497 00:25:51,480 --> 00:25:54,080 Speaker 1: out there. Um. I was just looking. I wanted drilled 498 00:25:54,080 --> 00:25:56,200 Speaker 1: and tapped. I didn't want a saddle mount. I didn't 499 00:25:56,240 --> 00:25:58,880 Speaker 1: want like a rib mount, which companies out there do have. 500 00:25:59,680 --> 00:26:02,160 Speaker 1: Um So, so we were able to get that gun 501 00:26:02,200 --> 00:26:04,359 Speaker 1: all set up. The one thing I noticed once I 502 00:26:04,400 --> 00:26:06,720 Speaker 1: had got you know all of my and I've got 503 00:26:06,720 --> 00:26:09,720 Speaker 1: a pretty high um mount from my red dot from 504 00:26:09,800 --> 00:26:13,480 Speaker 1: from loophold is my cheek was really low, and I 505 00:26:13,680 --> 00:26:15,960 Speaker 1: I love the idea that you know, a red dot 506 00:26:16,080 --> 00:26:18,119 Speaker 1: just can be pointed. You can actually float your head 507 00:26:18,320 --> 00:26:20,719 Speaker 1: off of the cheek piece. You know. I did end 508 00:26:20,760 --> 00:26:24,440 Speaker 1: up adding a a adjustable cheek piece on that shotgun 509 00:26:24,560 --> 00:26:26,919 Speaker 1: just to make it feel more comfortable. When I shouldered it, 510 00:26:27,359 --> 00:26:29,320 Speaker 1: my head was you know, I could see the red 511 00:26:29,359 --> 00:26:31,960 Speaker 1: dot versus uh having to search for it a little 512 00:26:31,960 --> 00:26:34,720 Speaker 1: bit or lift my head up. Um. But man, I 513 00:26:35,040 --> 00:26:38,440 Speaker 1: threw the standard Indian Creek choke in that gun. Um 514 00:26:38,480 --> 00:26:41,399 Speaker 1: as you had mentioned, it takes the the I M 515 00:26:41,440 --> 00:26:44,360 Speaker 1: P choke, not the plus, which when I was doing 516 00:26:44,359 --> 00:26:46,200 Speaker 1: some searching, I actually had to get educated on him, like, 517 00:26:46,200 --> 00:26:48,520 Speaker 1: all right, that's the one that like the the Winchester 518 00:26:48,680 --> 00:26:50,240 Speaker 1: or some of the old Winchester shotguns, some of the 519 00:26:50,280 --> 00:26:52,560 Speaker 1: old Mossberg and then some of the old Brownings. So 520 00:26:52,920 --> 00:26:55,360 Speaker 1: you kind of figure out what what choke you need, 521 00:26:55,440 --> 00:26:59,240 Speaker 1: But you know, I don't. This is where I don't 522 00:26:59,280 --> 00:27:00,920 Speaker 1: know what to give credit to, whether it's a choke 523 00:27:01,040 --> 00:27:03,160 Speaker 1: or the shotgun, whatever it is. All I can say 524 00:27:03,200 --> 00:27:05,000 Speaker 1: is that whether be paired up with the Indian Creek 525 00:27:05,119 --> 00:27:08,879 Speaker 1: Number nine is like and I patterned out to sixty, 526 00:27:09,200 --> 00:27:11,679 Speaker 1: I can see why your son flat level to turkey 527 00:27:11,720 --> 00:27:14,840 Speaker 1: at sixty yards like I didn't. I don't want to 528 00:27:14,840 --> 00:27:18,200 Speaker 1: shoot one there. I'm you know, being running game calls 529 00:27:18,200 --> 00:27:21,600 Speaker 1: and trying to get things you know, somewhat close. Yeah, 530 00:27:21,720 --> 00:27:26,200 Speaker 1: get them on camera. But I love having that that 531 00:27:26,200 --> 00:27:29,000 Speaker 1: that confidence that if anything does run out there crippled 532 00:27:29,520 --> 00:27:31,879 Speaker 1: or for some reason. I usually don't get to that 533 00:27:32,000 --> 00:27:33,800 Speaker 1: mad at the turkeys, but if I get mad enough 534 00:27:33,800 --> 00:27:36,040 Speaker 1: at the turkeys, UM, no, I shouldn't say that. I 535 00:27:36,240 --> 00:27:38,560 Speaker 1: still would rather call him man. But you have the 536 00:27:38,600 --> 00:27:42,720 Speaker 1: ability to um, like I say, my my old forty 537 00:27:42,800 --> 00:27:46,199 Speaker 1: yard group with the old Bossburg is now equivalent to 538 00:27:46,240 --> 00:27:49,080 Speaker 1: a sixty You know my six yard groups better. Um, 539 00:27:49,200 --> 00:27:52,960 Speaker 1: So whatever combination that is, it's it's really really good. 540 00:27:52,960 --> 00:27:55,680 Speaker 1: And UM, I have to throw Dirk under the bus 541 00:27:55,680 --> 00:27:57,719 Speaker 1: a little bit. My my buddy here, I know your 542 00:27:57,760 --> 00:28:01,240 Speaker 1: guys gun will cycle three inch TSS all day long 543 00:28:01,280 --> 00:28:03,320 Speaker 1: because he doesn't go on any turkey hunt and only 544 00:28:03,359 --> 00:28:06,880 Speaker 1: expect to shoot it that thing once. Um. He always jokes, 545 00:28:06,920 --> 00:28:08,399 Speaker 1: I didn't go all the way to I didn't go 546 00:28:08,440 --> 00:28:10,880 Speaker 1: all the way to Kansas to just shoot once. And um, 547 00:28:10,920 --> 00:28:15,120 Speaker 1: I think on multiple birds he had multiple quick follow ups. 548 00:28:15,200 --> 00:28:18,000 Speaker 1: But I can we can vouch for for the cycling 549 00:28:18,040 --> 00:28:19,879 Speaker 1: of the shotgun because he's he's had to do it 550 00:28:19,960 --> 00:28:23,720 Speaker 1: multiple times. It's ready for a quick follow up. That's awesome. Yeah, 551 00:28:24,400 --> 00:28:27,480 Speaker 1: uh yeah. One thing. One thing I'd say about um 552 00:28:27,520 --> 00:28:30,960 Speaker 1: the patterning and just kind of the shotguns in general, 553 00:28:31,160 --> 00:28:36,560 Speaker 1: is sometimes the Element series we import from Turkey, right, 554 00:28:36,600 --> 00:28:39,640 Speaker 1: there's obviously a lot of other Turkish import shotguns, and 555 00:28:39,680 --> 00:28:41,600 Speaker 1: so people will say, what's the difference between the weather 556 00:28:41,640 --> 00:28:44,840 Speaker 1: being you know, some other Turkish import And I think 557 00:28:44,840 --> 00:28:47,240 Speaker 1: it's the work that we do up front to make 558 00:28:47,280 --> 00:28:50,240 Speaker 1: sure that you're gonna get a really good bore, a 559 00:28:50,320 --> 00:28:54,240 Speaker 1: really good choke to bore mating, which leads to a 560 00:28:54,280 --> 00:28:57,600 Speaker 1: better pattern. Um. Are all of our shotguns do pattern 561 00:28:57,760 --> 00:29:01,120 Speaker 1: very well? Um? I think that's that's the difference. Is 562 00:29:01,200 --> 00:29:03,680 Speaker 1: like we stand behind our product. We've got our customer 563 00:29:03,720 --> 00:29:06,080 Speaker 1: service team. We've been a business for seventy seven years 564 00:29:06,480 --> 00:29:08,920 Speaker 1: and we've just got we've gotten pretty good at this 565 00:29:08,960 --> 00:29:12,120 Speaker 1: and we've got a good system and so uh I 566 00:29:12,440 --> 00:29:15,360 Speaker 1: I firmly believe that we probably have the best Turkish 567 00:29:15,360 --> 00:29:18,160 Speaker 1: shotgun on the market, and the element it's really solid, 568 00:29:18,200 --> 00:29:20,600 Speaker 1: and it's priced really competitively, and it all kind of 569 00:29:20,640 --> 00:29:22,760 Speaker 1: leads just to what you're talking talking about, which is 570 00:29:23,080 --> 00:29:25,840 Speaker 1: a great patterning shotgun that cycles really well, that's just 571 00:29:25,880 --> 00:29:28,960 Speaker 1: kind of performed day in and day out. I have 572 00:29:29,040 --> 00:29:31,800 Speaker 1: to ask, and I know, I know you're from the manufacturer, 573 00:29:31,840 --> 00:29:34,520 Speaker 1: so you're gonna maybe, uh, but but it's a question 574 00:29:34,520 --> 00:29:36,840 Speaker 1: I get asked a lot. Um. I did an article 575 00:29:36,880 --> 00:29:39,600 Speaker 1: way back when on polishing you know, barrels and and 576 00:29:39,880 --> 00:29:43,200 Speaker 1: you know, not letting your not letting your wad kind 577 00:29:43,200 --> 00:29:46,400 Speaker 1: of slow down all of this crazy stuff. Yeah, do 578 00:29:46,480 --> 00:29:48,840 Speaker 1: you guys get asked a lot about lengthening the forcing 579 00:29:48,840 --> 00:29:50,880 Speaker 1: cone or polishing the barrel. You know, there's guys out 580 00:29:50,880 --> 00:29:53,120 Speaker 1: there like Roy Roberts and some of these you know 581 00:29:53,280 --> 00:29:56,840 Speaker 1: Turkey shotgun gurus that work these things over even you know, 582 00:29:56,920 --> 00:29:59,200 Speaker 1: the the other brands. You know, they're taking the way 583 00:29:59,240 --> 00:30:01,880 Speaker 1: more expensive of inertia driven shotguns and they feel like 584 00:30:01,920 --> 00:30:04,960 Speaker 1: they need to rework them. And I'm not I know 585 00:30:05,000 --> 00:30:07,080 Speaker 1: you're you're never gonna recommend that you do this, but 586 00:30:07,120 --> 00:30:10,520 Speaker 1: what what's your take on you know, forcing cone, lengthening, 587 00:30:10,640 --> 00:30:13,800 Speaker 1: you know, polishing the barrel. Uh is it? Is? It overkills? 588 00:30:13,800 --> 00:30:15,600 Speaker 1: It not needed? As I mentioned, I I shot my 589 00:30:15,640 --> 00:30:17,960 Speaker 1: gun out of the box. But UM, give us a 590 00:30:17,960 --> 00:30:20,720 Speaker 1: little bit insight on on what you guys feel, you know, 591 00:30:20,960 --> 00:30:23,840 Speaker 1: good bad, you know, avoiding warranties all that sort of stuff, 592 00:30:23,840 --> 00:30:26,440 Speaker 1: as far as starting to modify and polish these guns 593 00:30:26,480 --> 00:30:29,840 Speaker 1: and lengthening forcing cones and whatnot. I think if you, 594 00:30:29,960 --> 00:30:32,600 Speaker 1: I mean from just to answer the last part of 595 00:30:32,640 --> 00:30:35,360 Speaker 1: your question first, like if you just polish your barrel 596 00:30:35,600 --> 00:30:38,320 Speaker 1: or polish your forcing cone a little more, there's no 597 00:30:38,400 --> 00:30:40,920 Speaker 1: issue with a warranty from that point. But if you 598 00:30:40,960 --> 00:30:44,080 Speaker 1: start to like talk about lengthening the forcing cone, which 599 00:30:44,120 --> 00:30:47,000 Speaker 1: if if, if people aren't familiar, that's the portion of 600 00:30:47,040 --> 00:30:49,800 Speaker 1: the barrel right in front of the shot shell itself 601 00:30:49,840 --> 00:30:52,680 Speaker 1: where it tapers from the diameter of the shot shell 602 00:30:52,760 --> 00:30:55,400 Speaker 1: down just a little bit for some constriction, which is 603 00:30:55,480 --> 00:30:58,600 Speaker 1: forcing the shot to be tighter. Um, if you start 604 00:30:58,640 --> 00:31:01,840 Speaker 1: to mess with the actual material removal in the forcing cone, 605 00:31:01,880 --> 00:31:05,520 Speaker 1: then um, that's that's where you're gonna have like, you know, 606 00:31:05,520 --> 00:31:07,360 Speaker 1: our customer service team is going to be like, yeah, 607 00:31:07,360 --> 00:31:10,200 Speaker 1: we can't really stand behind that anymore, because you've materially 608 00:31:10,400 --> 00:31:17,200 Speaker 1: altered the firearm. UM from an actual just performance standpoint, UM, 609 00:31:17,240 --> 00:31:20,960 Speaker 1: I would say I have never messed with with that. 610 00:31:21,120 --> 00:31:23,640 Speaker 1: I've polished some forcing cones and like try to get 611 00:31:23,800 --> 00:31:26,640 Speaker 1: a better shine out of a barrel. But I think 612 00:31:26,680 --> 00:31:30,160 Speaker 1: there's such a law of diminishing returns there that um 613 00:31:30,320 --> 00:31:34,040 Speaker 1: for for nine point nine percent of shooters, you're you're 614 00:31:34,080 --> 00:31:38,440 Speaker 1: gonna see like basically no improvement. I think it's it's 615 00:31:38,960 --> 00:31:43,720 Speaker 1: pretty darn good as it is, and you you you 616 00:31:43,800 --> 00:31:47,680 Speaker 1: might get like one or two more pellets inside of 617 00:31:47,720 --> 00:31:51,080 Speaker 1: your like whatever six inch circle at thirty then you 618 00:31:51,160 --> 00:31:55,120 Speaker 1: would otherwise. I mean it's kind of like, uh, like 619 00:31:55,440 --> 00:31:57,120 Speaker 1: I used to be a really good golfer. I just 620 00:31:57,120 --> 00:31:59,800 Speaker 1: don't have the time anymore. Um. If I went to 621 00:31:59,840 --> 00:32:02,760 Speaker 1: the range today to like practice, I could put the 622 00:32:02,800 --> 00:32:05,480 Speaker 1: time into doing that and shave like a single stroke 623 00:32:05,520 --> 00:32:08,840 Speaker 1: off of my game. But so what, like what does 624 00:32:08,880 --> 00:32:12,160 Speaker 1: that really matter? And and that's that's where I'm coming, 625 00:32:12,160 --> 00:32:13,800 Speaker 1: you know. I I read the forums all the time. 626 00:32:13,840 --> 00:32:16,960 Speaker 1: I'm always looking for any advantage that at least has 627 00:32:17,200 --> 00:32:19,600 Speaker 1: a good return. But I feel that's one of those 628 00:32:19,640 --> 00:32:23,040 Speaker 1: like modifications of diminishing returns, and people may argue with me. 629 00:32:23,080 --> 00:32:25,760 Speaker 1: You know there's guys with their their super shotguns all 630 00:32:25,760 --> 00:32:28,360 Speaker 1: done up. Um, but I just look at my my 631 00:32:28,400 --> 00:32:31,640 Speaker 1: pattern right out of the gate with you know stock amo, 632 00:32:31,760 --> 00:32:34,760 Speaker 1: no custom loaded, you know, federal TSS number nine's and 633 00:32:34,880 --> 00:32:37,880 Speaker 1: three in and a choke that I screwed on and 634 00:32:37,920 --> 00:32:39,360 Speaker 1: I went and shot the gun. And it's like what 635 00:32:39,440 --> 00:32:42,040 Speaker 1: more do I need? Like how much how much debt? 636 00:32:42,120 --> 00:32:45,280 Speaker 1: Or can that turkey be? Um? What what I'm already doing? 637 00:32:45,320 --> 00:32:48,680 Speaker 1: So yeah, and you know there there's there's only the 638 00:32:48,720 --> 00:32:51,160 Speaker 1: opportunity to make some of that worse if you go 639 00:32:51,200 --> 00:32:55,560 Speaker 1: and start modifying stuff. That'd be my fears. Yeah, we 640 00:32:55,600 --> 00:32:58,240 Speaker 1: stand behind our product. If for some reason you've got 641 00:32:58,240 --> 00:33:04,959 Speaker 1: a shotgun from us that's not uh having a good pattern, like, 642 00:33:05,040 --> 00:33:07,440 Speaker 1: call our customer service team and let us take care 643 00:33:07,480 --> 00:33:10,320 Speaker 1: of that issue for you before you start fixing it 644 00:33:10,400 --> 00:33:14,000 Speaker 1: for yourself. You know what I mean? Yep, yep. Is 645 00:33:14,000 --> 00:33:16,280 Speaker 1: there anything else you wanna you cover on your guys 646 00:33:16,320 --> 00:33:21,080 Speaker 1: a shotgun line anything that you know people may not know, Um, 647 00:33:21,200 --> 00:33:23,160 Speaker 1: give us, give us anything we might not have covered 648 00:33:23,200 --> 00:33:26,440 Speaker 1: on on the shotgun lineup. Really, I think probably best 649 00:33:26,520 --> 00:33:28,400 Speaker 1: kept secret is the E T and I we we 650 00:33:28,520 --> 00:33:31,360 Speaker 1: launched that the eighteen. It launched at the end of 651 00:33:31,400 --> 00:33:34,400 Speaker 1: two thousand and eighteen. That's where the eighteen came from. 652 00:33:34,520 --> 00:33:40,640 Speaker 1: Um it's it's essentially, um, a really really darned good 653 00:33:40,640 --> 00:33:44,280 Speaker 1: inertia shotgun. So if if you if you want a 654 00:33:44,280 --> 00:33:46,920 Speaker 1: three and a half inch gun that's capable of shooting 655 00:33:46,960 --> 00:33:49,280 Speaker 1: and pretty much eating anything you can throw at it. 656 00:33:50,160 --> 00:33:54,880 Speaker 1: Ten I is probably our best kept shotgun secret. Uh, 657 00:33:54,960 --> 00:33:57,960 Speaker 1: if you want a gun that, um it's you know, 658 00:33:58,000 --> 00:34:00,080 Speaker 1: a little more friendly on the wallet that can do 659 00:34:00,200 --> 00:34:05,520 Speaker 1: anything and everything elements for you. Um, they're they're both great. 660 00:34:05,600 --> 00:34:10,080 Speaker 1: I shoot them both a lot. Um and Yeah, other 661 00:34:10,080 --> 00:34:13,720 Speaker 1: than a there's really officially no secrets behind them. UM. 662 00:34:13,800 --> 00:34:16,920 Speaker 1: We've we've been in the shotgun business for a whole 663 00:34:16,960 --> 00:34:19,720 Speaker 1: lot of years, not all seventy seven years of our history. 664 00:34:19,760 --> 00:34:22,480 Speaker 1: Probably only about fifty years have we been doing shotguns. 665 00:34:22,480 --> 00:34:25,920 Speaker 1: But UM, you know, I think weather B is guilty 666 00:34:25,920 --> 00:34:31,279 Speaker 1: ourselves of of forgetting that, um, forgetting that we have shotguns. 667 00:34:31,320 --> 00:34:34,400 Speaker 1: Sometimes it's it's not necessarily a primary focus from a 668 00:34:34,520 --> 00:34:38,239 Speaker 1: marketing perspective, but a little known fact is that in 669 00:34:38,360 --> 00:34:42,160 Speaker 1: twenty twenty one, we shipped more shotguns than we did rifles. 670 00:34:42,200 --> 00:34:45,000 Speaker 1: Like we we're big time in the shotgun game and 671 00:34:45,200 --> 00:34:48,799 Speaker 1: we have a really good system. So yeah, good good. 672 00:34:48,800 --> 00:34:51,839 Speaker 1: I know we were I I preface this, we were 673 00:34:51,840 --> 00:34:53,799 Speaker 1: going to talk shotguns, but I have to ask why 674 00:34:53,840 --> 00:34:56,760 Speaker 1: I'm here. Is there anything new on the rifles side 675 00:34:56,800 --> 00:34:58,919 Speaker 1: that that you know you can talk about or or 676 00:34:58,960 --> 00:35:02,920 Speaker 1: that that's coming coming our way. I was I was 677 00:35:02,960 --> 00:35:05,120 Speaker 1: thinking that you might try to sneak in a question 678 00:35:05,160 --> 00:35:09,200 Speaker 1: about some other things. But uh, yeah, and as a 679 00:35:09,239 --> 00:35:12,360 Speaker 1: matter of fact, there is so. Um we have a 680 00:35:12,360 --> 00:35:16,200 Speaker 1: new cartridge. Our Our latest cartridge introduction is going to 681 00:35:16,239 --> 00:35:22,879 Speaker 1: be the weather be rpm UM, which is our six 682 00:35:22,960 --> 00:35:28,320 Speaker 1: five weather b RPM necked up to. We're currently doing 683 00:35:28,480 --> 00:35:36,080 Speaker 1: our final uh load development with production brass. Um. There's 684 00:35:36,120 --> 00:35:39,480 Speaker 1: already public knowledge out there. UM. Sammy, which is kind 685 00:35:39,480 --> 00:35:44,520 Speaker 1: of like the governing body for cartridges and firearms, published 686 00:35:44,600 --> 00:35:47,960 Speaker 1: the cartridge drawings back in January. Uh, and we've just 687 00:35:48,000 --> 00:35:50,880 Speaker 1: had a hard time getting brass, but we have production brass. 688 00:35:50,920 --> 00:35:55,440 Speaker 1: We're doing final development and sometime early August, just like 689 00:35:55,440 --> 00:35:58,720 Speaker 1: a couple of weeks away, uh, we will be shipping 690 00:35:58,760 --> 00:36:02,880 Speaker 1: the three thirty at RPM. So why three thirty at rpm. Well, 691 00:36:03,200 --> 00:36:05,040 Speaker 1: I think there's kind of a gap in the market 692 00:36:05,080 --> 00:36:08,759 Speaker 1: for an ultra lightweight, shorter barrel, Like we're gonna have 693 00:36:09,680 --> 00:36:12,440 Speaker 1: um probably somewhere between an eighteen inch and a twenty 694 00:36:12,680 --> 00:36:15,920 Speaker 1: barrel in the production rifle line. That's shooting a two 695 00:36:17,000 --> 00:36:22,080 Speaker 1: grain projectile somewhere in the neighborhood of feet per second. 696 00:36:22,400 --> 00:36:26,520 Speaker 1: So that's a lot of energy, uh in a lot 697 00:36:26,560 --> 00:36:29,400 Speaker 1: of performance with a big hole in a really lightweight, 698 00:36:29,440 --> 00:36:32,839 Speaker 1: five pound rifle package, which is pretty awesome. Now does 699 00:36:32,880 --> 00:36:35,080 Speaker 1: bark a little bit like it's you're you're gonna feel 700 00:36:35,160 --> 00:36:40,640 Speaker 1: a little but like it's a awesome bear gun. It's 701 00:36:40,640 --> 00:36:44,600 Speaker 1: an awesome elk gun. Um. But yeah, for anybody that 702 00:36:44,640 --> 00:36:47,360 Speaker 1: wants to punch a big hole with and not carry 703 00:36:47,360 --> 00:36:49,439 Speaker 1: a lot of weight, this is this is the thing 704 00:36:49,480 --> 00:36:51,480 Speaker 1: for you. And like I said, it'll be ready to 705 00:36:51,560 --> 00:36:55,120 Speaker 1: hunt with this fall. Yeah. Hearing you describe the barrel 706 00:36:55,200 --> 00:36:58,200 Speaker 1: length and some of the ballistics, Like instantly, I'm out 707 00:36:58,239 --> 00:37:00,080 Speaker 1: here in Southwest washing like we hunt a lot to 708 00:37:00,480 --> 00:37:02,960 Speaker 1: elk in the timber, Like it's a perfect gun. Like 709 00:37:03,640 --> 00:37:06,040 Speaker 1: I'm leaving the twenty inch barre Old seven mag in 710 00:37:06,080 --> 00:37:08,440 Speaker 1: the truck. I'm gonna grab thee with an eighteen or 711 00:37:08,480 --> 00:37:11,440 Speaker 1: twenty inch barrel seems like a lot better option. Um 712 00:37:11,760 --> 00:37:14,040 Speaker 1: for those that don't know, Luke, we're so that those 713 00:37:14,080 --> 00:37:16,800 Speaker 1: ballistics that you mentioned off like me trying to quickly, 714 00:37:16,960 --> 00:37:18,360 Speaker 1: you know, compute it to what it would be in 715 00:37:18,360 --> 00:37:19,880 Speaker 1: a twenty Where does that put it like with the 716 00:37:19,960 --> 00:37:23,400 Speaker 1: three eight wind maag or is it more case capacity, 717 00:37:23,520 --> 00:37:26,279 Speaker 1: more performance or like where does it sit amongst the 718 00:37:26,280 --> 00:37:30,360 Speaker 1: others out there? It's gonna be a little bit faster 719 00:37:30,440 --> 00:37:33,640 Speaker 1: than a three thirty wind bag. We've got like the 720 00:37:34,320 --> 00:37:37,440 Speaker 1: fastest production three thirty eight with a three thirty eight 721 00:37:37,520 --> 00:37:41,960 Speaker 1: three seventy eight weather be but the difference is um, 722 00:37:42,000 --> 00:37:44,920 Speaker 1: in that seventy eight you have to use our nine 723 00:37:45,000 --> 00:37:50,160 Speaker 1: lug are big heavy action. UM. In this RPM, it 724 00:37:50,239 --> 00:37:54,000 Speaker 1: uses our smaller, more spelt six lug action, so you 725 00:37:54,040 --> 00:37:57,360 Speaker 1: save a pound in the action itself. And then because 726 00:37:57,360 --> 00:37:59,600 Speaker 1: we just don't have a hundred and whatever hundred and 727 00:37:59,680 --> 00:38:01,960 Speaker 1: twenty grains of powder to bird, it's more like a 728 00:38:02,440 --> 00:38:06,080 Speaker 1: ninety then UM we can use such a shorter barrel 729 00:38:06,440 --> 00:38:08,960 Speaker 1: and it's it's proving to be a pretty efficient round. 730 00:38:09,480 --> 00:38:12,759 Speaker 1: So UM that's where we start start being able to 731 00:38:12,800 --> 00:38:15,480 Speaker 1: chop the barrel lengths down. So originally we thought we're 732 00:38:15,480 --> 00:38:17,960 Speaker 1: going to be launching with the barrel, and through our 733 00:38:18,000 --> 00:38:21,080 Speaker 1: testing we're like, man, we can we can really get 734 00:38:21,120 --> 00:38:24,520 Speaker 1: this down, which you know historically Weather he is big 735 00:38:24,560 --> 00:38:28,640 Speaker 1: on velocity. We still are, but that usually comes to 736 00:38:28,760 --> 00:38:30,919 Speaker 1: mean you've got to shoot a longer barrel as well. 737 00:38:31,040 --> 00:38:35,440 Speaker 1: So we're really happy to have this added to the 738 00:38:35,480 --> 00:38:41,040 Speaker 1: line where we've got a short barrel Magnum performance rifle 739 00:38:41,120 --> 00:38:44,000 Speaker 1: in a lightweight package because I don't think there's anything 740 00:38:44,000 --> 00:38:49,000 Speaker 1: else like it in this weight class. Are titanium action 741 00:38:49,640 --> 00:38:51,680 Speaker 1: with the carbon fiber stock in the back country two 742 00:38:51,719 --> 00:38:53,640 Speaker 1: point I was going to tip the scale like almost 743 00:38:53,640 --> 00:38:59,520 Speaker 1: exactly five pounds. Geez, that's that would be nice to carry. Um, Yeah, 744 00:38:59,680 --> 00:39:02,120 Speaker 1: it sound like it sounds like good round. Maybe I'm 745 00:39:02,120 --> 00:39:04,879 Speaker 1: don't want to speculate because I shoot heavy Magnums as well, 746 00:39:04,960 --> 00:39:07,680 Speaker 1: but maybe not super fun to shoot. But I'll trade 747 00:39:07,680 --> 00:39:10,960 Speaker 1: off packability sometimes for for um, you know, you don't 748 00:39:11,000 --> 00:39:14,160 Speaker 1: ever feel the shot when you're shooting at a critter. Anyways, Yeah, 749 00:39:14,680 --> 00:39:17,240 Speaker 1: I think the trade off onto the new three third 750 00:39:17,360 --> 00:39:20,840 Speaker 1: RPM is that we do have some some magazine length 751 00:39:20,920 --> 00:39:25,000 Speaker 1: restrictions so what kind of You're not going to have 752 00:39:25,120 --> 00:39:28,120 Speaker 1: much room unless you single feed, Uh to shoot a 753 00:39:28,120 --> 00:39:31,080 Speaker 1: projectile more than two and or fifty grains? Yep, yep. 754 00:39:31,160 --> 00:39:35,799 Speaker 1: That makes I shoot accustom made three edge, which is 755 00:39:35,920 --> 00:39:38,279 Speaker 1: all single feed, which most of the time, if we 756 00:39:38,320 --> 00:39:40,200 Speaker 1: do hard jobs, a good thing, but there's been sometimes 757 00:39:40,239 --> 00:39:42,760 Speaker 1: where it's been a very bad thing. Um, so yeah, 758 00:39:42,960 --> 00:39:45,200 Speaker 1: keeping those in Like I'm shooting a three inerd grain 759 00:39:45,239 --> 00:39:48,319 Speaker 1: out of it, so it's it's definitely single feed. So yeah, 760 00:39:48,320 --> 00:39:53,239 Speaker 1: thats a really long, floaded, great cartridge then yeah, yeah, yeah, 761 00:39:53,280 --> 00:39:57,080 Speaker 1: but but no, instantly like you started to describe that, 762 00:39:57,160 --> 00:39:59,480 Speaker 1: and like I say, a perfect brush gun, Um, you 763 00:39:59,560 --> 00:40:01,160 Speaker 1: want of the ex you're thump in the back country 764 00:40:01,200 --> 00:40:03,400 Speaker 1: in a super lightweight package. It sounds like it's going 765 00:40:03,440 --> 00:40:07,319 Speaker 1: to fit that bill and check that box. Yeah. Yeah, 766 00:40:07,400 --> 00:40:10,279 Speaker 1: we're excited to bring out to market. Yeah, thanks thanks 767 00:40:10,320 --> 00:40:12,799 Speaker 1: for sharing that that new information. So we'll roll back 768 00:40:12,840 --> 00:40:15,120 Speaker 1: to shotguns here and we'll kind of close up. So 769 00:40:15,200 --> 00:40:18,680 Speaker 1: with everything we've talked about shotguns, if you were a 770 00:40:18,719 --> 00:40:21,560 Speaker 1: new user just looking to get a multipurpose shotgun that 771 00:40:21,600 --> 00:40:24,160 Speaker 1: you can go out and you know, shoot a limited ducks, 772 00:40:24,200 --> 00:40:26,640 Speaker 1: go out in turkey hunt with all spring, and then 773 00:40:26,880 --> 00:40:28,640 Speaker 1: you know, want to maybe go do some upland like 774 00:40:28,680 --> 00:40:31,600 Speaker 1: what would be your shotgun choice and maybe explain why 775 00:40:33,680 --> 00:40:38,879 Speaker 1: I personally would probably choose our element tungsten. Uh. There, 776 00:40:39,520 --> 00:40:41,879 Speaker 1: there's no cameo pattern on the gun. It's a black 777 00:40:41,920 --> 00:40:45,760 Speaker 1: synthetic stock with the tungsten sarah coat, so it's basically 778 00:40:46,040 --> 00:40:51,120 Speaker 1: fully weather proof. If your camo changes over time, you're 779 00:40:51,120 --> 00:40:54,359 Speaker 1: not gonna have clashiness with your cameo pattern. It can 780 00:40:54,400 --> 00:40:59,439 Speaker 1: do duty as a waterfowl gun as a turkey gun, 781 00:40:59,600 --> 00:41:01,839 Speaker 1: I would choose the twenty six inch barrel over the 782 00:41:02,480 --> 00:41:04,680 Speaker 1: just so it's a little shorter, a little more friendly 783 00:41:05,000 --> 00:41:07,919 Speaker 1: for doing double duty. If it was purely a waterfowl gun, 784 00:41:07,960 --> 00:41:09,799 Speaker 1: i'd i'd go for a twenty eight. But if you 785 00:41:09,840 --> 00:41:14,279 Speaker 1: want something that just run, uh, run and gun no 786 00:41:14,280 --> 00:41:16,799 Speaker 1: matter what and where. Um, I think that twenty six 787 00:41:16,880 --> 00:41:18,680 Speaker 1: inch barrel is the way to go, and the element 788 00:41:18,680 --> 00:41:22,839 Speaker 1: tungsten perfect. Well. Thanks for that information, Luke, and thanks 789 00:41:22,840 --> 00:41:25,799 Speaker 1: for coming on the Cutting Distance podcast. We really appreciate it. Um. 790 00:41:25,840 --> 00:41:27,719 Speaker 1: Like I said that, I don't have a lot of 791 00:41:27,719 --> 00:41:30,520 Speaker 1: experience waterfall hunting with it, but it performed perfect. And 792 00:41:30,560 --> 00:41:33,000 Speaker 1: then me and Dirk are real happy with our our 793 00:41:33,080 --> 00:41:45,000 Speaker 1: Turkey setups and and they they did well. How can 794 00:41:45,040 --> 00:41:46,920 Speaker 1: people find more out about whether it be how do 795 00:41:46,960 --> 00:41:49,040 Speaker 1: they reach you guys? Um, I know you guys are 796 00:41:49,040 --> 00:41:51,480 Speaker 1: all over social but you know, give your give yourself 797 00:41:51,480 --> 00:41:55,480 Speaker 1: a plug. And I really appreciate having you on here. Yeah, 798 00:41:55,640 --> 00:41:58,879 Speaker 1: weather be dot com. 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