WEBVTT - Hater Season: Henry Zebrowski 0:00:02.440 --> 0:00:07.520 Also media. Hello, welcome to Better Offline. I'm, of course 0:00:07.560 --> 0:00:22.520 your host ed Zetron. Apologies to everyone for missing the 0:00:22.560 --> 0:00:25.040 monologue last week. I know many of you have threatened 0:00:25.079 --> 0:00:27.560 my life. That's a joke. You're all very lovely about it. 0:00:28.000 --> 0:00:30.720 But we are back this week. It's Hate to Season. 0:00:30.800 --> 0:00:33.360 I'm gonna be honest. Hate Season has been so much 0:00:33.400 --> 0:00:36.000 fun that everyone is just I think we're just gonna 0:00:36.000 --> 0:00:40.960 do this forever. And today I'm joined by an incredible guy. 0:00:41.040 --> 0:00:43.040 I'm gonna be one of two divas coming together to 0:00:43.080 --> 0:00:46.120 maximize our joint sleigh. I'm joined by Henry Zebrowski of 0:00:46.240 --> 0:00:48.280 last podcast on the Left. Henry, how are you? 0:00:49.080 --> 0:00:52.920 I am good? I'm filled with rage, with rage about 0:00:52.920 --> 0:00:58.160 one I'm ready. Honestly, I hate the goddamn metaverse. It's 0:00:58.440 --> 0:01:00.600 I saw it pop up the other day. I saw 0:01:00.680 --> 0:01:03.280 a person mention the metaverse. And there is one guy, 0:01:03.840 --> 0:01:07.600 Jamie something guy on Twitter you can find him who. 0:01:07.680 --> 0:01:11.600 I watched him go from Crypto from clubhouse to crypt 0:01:11.880 --> 0:01:15.800 web three to NFTs to Metaverse to AI and now 0:01:15.800 --> 0:01:18.720 he's back to Metaverse and I think that just people. 0:01:20.160 --> 0:01:20.720 He's wrong. 0:01:21.560 --> 0:01:26.360 He's wrong, but also he's professionally but that's crazy, Like 0:01:27.640 --> 0:01:30.320 people are very unfair of me about my correct opinions. 0:01:30.360 --> 0:01:33.840 But it's insane to me how many of these consultant 0:01:34.120 --> 0:01:38.480 swindlers still exist and how there are still people being like, yeah, dude, yeah, 0:01:38.480 --> 0:01:40.399 the metaverse is still here, man, I'll pay you. 0:01:40.920 --> 0:01:44.920 I'll do this because they're desperate. They're desperate for some 0:01:45.240 --> 0:01:53.120 other realm of productivity and work. There's something they really thought. 0:01:53.360 --> 0:01:57.360 They had us pegged during COVID, Like at some point 0:01:57.520 --> 0:02:02.280 they were like, they miss work, they miss work, they 0:02:02.400 --> 0:02:06.440 miss they miss they miss people, they miss us, and 0:02:06.480 --> 0:02:09.400 they have this idea of like, oh, the social network. 0:02:09.440 --> 0:02:12.560 Like what we have to do is convince them they're 0:02:12.600 --> 0:02:15.600 hanging out. We have to convince all of them that 0:02:15.600 --> 0:02:18.440 they're all just gonna like, oh no, no, it's it's 0:02:18.520 --> 0:02:20.960 it's work, sure, but it's like a lifestyle. Work is 0:02:21.040 --> 0:02:22.160 like your lifestyle. 0:02:22.760 --> 0:02:25.120 Do you remember that whole period as well, just before 0:02:25.160 --> 0:02:27.280 the metaverse, where they were all of the remote work 0:02:27.360 --> 0:02:30.240 articles that were like, we're missing the serendipity at the office. 0:02:30.440 --> 0:02:33.080 We're missing it. You can't bump into a friend at 0:02:33.080 --> 0:02:35.520 the office and have these thoughts. I love that because 0:02:35.520 --> 0:02:37.839 it was always written by a boss, because you could 0:02:37.840 --> 0:02:39.800 tell because everyone else at work is like, I just 0:02:39.840 --> 0:02:41.520 want to put my fucking headphones and I just want 0:02:41.560 --> 0:02:42.160 to get my job done. 0:02:42.160 --> 0:02:45.240 Please leave me alone. We have crawled into the heads 0:02:45.600 --> 0:02:48.600 of these giant corporate like that's kind of what we're 0:02:48.639 --> 0:02:51.359 living in. I feel like we're living in a giant ketamine. 0:02:51.440 --> 0:02:54.920 Like we're in a ketamine fueled dream right now, Like 0:02:55.000 --> 0:02:55.600 we are. 0:02:55.440 --> 0:02:58.400 In a live inside the ketamine dream. But what is 0:02:58.440 --> 0:02:59.480 the who is the dreamer? 0:03:00.120 --> 0:03:03.320 Dreamer is people like Zuckerberg and these guys that are 0:03:03.400 --> 0:03:09.280 kind of forming how they think we view reality. They're 0:03:09.400 --> 0:03:12.920 like trying to put that on us. They're trying to say, 0:03:13.440 --> 0:03:17.080 we love work, we love productivity as a as a 0:03:17.080 --> 0:03:19.840 as a as an animal, as a human animal. They 0:03:19.880 --> 0:03:25.840 believe we crave crushing it, we crave dividends, we clave 0:03:26.960 --> 0:03:31.000 we love hustling. And I've just we've never just been 0:03:31.000 --> 0:03:34.560 in this place now where we're kind of being dragged 0:03:34.560 --> 0:03:38.160 through their version of the future which is just not 0:03:38.920 --> 0:03:41.880 panning out, you know, the metaverse. I get a show 0:03:41.920 --> 0:03:46.000 in the metaverse once right in The Men of Us, 0:03:46.360 --> 0:03:52.160 which one it was something Yes, I want It was 0:03:52.200 --> 0:03:55.480 something like so everybody was a little weeble wobble person, right, 0:03:55.480 --> 0:03:57.480 because they had to eliminate general Remember when they had 0:03:57.520 --> 0:03:58.840 to go through the whole thing because they had to 0:03:58.840 --> 0:04:00.800 eliminate lower half of people. 0:04:01.800 --> 0:04:04.240 Oh, yes, because they said they were bringing in legs, 0:04:04.840 --> 0:04:08.200 but then the legs didn't didn't pan out. 0:04:08.640 --> 0:04:15.520 Legs, yes, because legs mean penis and balls or vagina, right, 0:04:16.040 --> 0:04:18.240 And so what happened was is that as soon as 0:04:18.279 --> 0:04:20.719 those were in play, as soon as legs were in play, 0:04:21.000 --> 0:04:23.600 penis and balls and vaginas were in plays. And then 0:04:23.640 --> 0:04:27.240 immediately the people started getting sexually harassed on the metapas. 0:04:27.320 --> 0:04:29.440 But did they ever put the legs in? I thought 0:04:29.440 --> 0:04:31.320 they weren't able to get them in at all. 0:04:31.800 --> 0:04:35.479 No, because that was the let's just say, I believe 0:04:35.760 --> 0:04:40.280 you saw several attempts at this, this idea of like, 0:04:40.560 --> 0:04:42.880 we can't put in legs, You can't put in legs. 0:04:44.040 --> 0:04:46.120 You mean to tell me you built an entire second 0:04:46.160 --> 0:04:48.919 reality and you can't put in fucking legs, all right? 0:04:48.920 --> 0:04:53.200 I mean, I mean practically speaking, putting in functional legs 0:04:53.200 --> 0:04:55.599 that mapped to movement from the user would be difficult. 0:04:55.600 --> 0:04:58.039 But it's just I never really understand That's now even 0:04:58.040 --> 0:05:01.520 when there there's the aesthetics have like a flat like 0:05:01.560 --> 0:05:05.320 a candle. Who cares. It's as soon as people saw legs, 0:05:05.560 --> 0:05:08.600 they saw genitals, and they started saying horrific stuff to 0:05:08.640 --> 0:05:11.280 each other on the metaverse, and so they got rid 0:05:11.279 --> 0:05:11.719 of leggs. 0:05:12.320 --> 0:05:15.120 Tell me about this metaverse experience you have this New 0:05:15.160 --> 0:05:15.640 Year's Eve. 0:05:16.839 --> 0:05:20.919 So I was asked to do It was during COVID. 0:05:21.160 --> 0:05:24.280 I was asked to do the comedy for a New 0:05:24.320 --> 0:05:27.880 Year's Eve party quote unquote in a build out. It 0:05:27.920 --> 0:05:29.880 was like a metaverse build out. It was one of 0:05:29.880 --> 0:05:33.640 those that they had done it for this specific event, 0:05:33.800 --> 0:05:36.200 and the goal was that people were walking around this 0:05:36.400 --> 0:05:40.040 virtual space and they would come upon you, and then 0:05:40.080 --> 0:05:43.479 your camera would turn on and you'd see quote unquote 0:05:43.520 --> 0:05:47.200 the real person there. I was in a character. He 0:05:47.360 --> 0:05:52.400 was wildly invasive. Everybody was obviously had agreed to it. 0:05:52.440 --> 0:05:55.760 But I was Cheddargoblin, which is a character from a 0:05:55.760 --> 0:06:00.760 movie called Mandy Right. I was playing that, Yeah, this 0:06:00.839 --> 0:06:02.760 is my life. This is called the Entertainer's life. Ed. 0:06:03.400 --> 0:06:06.880 I mean, yeah, they gave me one thousand dollars. That's 0:06:06.920 --> 0:06:11.080 worth it. It was it was for the tears because 0:06:11.120 --> 0:06:12.919 then I put in I propped up, I have a 0:06:12.960 --> 0:06:15.440 build out of the cheddar Gomblet and from Mandy right, 0:06:15.480 --> 0:06:17.960 I have a poll from the original model. I put 0:06:18.000 --> 0:06:19.800 it in a chair and I put it on, put 0:06:19.839 --> 0:06:22.159 a camera on it. Yeah, and then I was talking 0:06:22.279 --> 0:06:26.640 as him roasting people that would arrive to the little 0:06:26.680 --> 0:06:31.160 comedy build out right that they had. And the thing 0:06:31.240 --> 0:06:34.960 is is that it's what happened after every single COVID 0:06:35.000 --> 0:06:38.680 stream show is that obviously it was janky. It was strange. 0:06:39.120 --> 0:06:42.320 People were not even though they thought they were prepped 0:06:42.320 --> 0:06:45.240 that their cameras would turn on, they were not prepped 0:06:45.240 --> 0:06:47.680 that their cameras would turn on and they would get scared, 0:06:48.160 --> 0:06:49.960 and it was bad. You know, It's like all that 0:06:50.000 --> 0:06:52.480 type of stuff. But in the end it really is. 0:06:53.000 --> 0:06:55.360 Which is what I discovered afterwards is the closing of 0:06:55.400 --> 0:06:59.520 the laptop after this and the silence. 0:07:00.800 --> 0:07:03.400 Oh was it just like constant noise in the well. 0:07:03.680 --> 0:07:06.520 Just the idea of like, as a performer like this 0:07:06.680 --> 0:07:08.320 was kind of one of the big issues I had 0:07:08.360 --> 0:07:13.280 to just even just during COVID, which is the cavernous 0:07:13.320 --> 0:07:16.320 silence after the show that you have now done on 0:07:16.440 --> 0:07:19.160 Zoom in which you have been in a sort of 0:07:19.200 --> 0:07:23.200 similacrum of real life for half a second, and then 0:07:23.400 --> 0:07:26.920 as soon as the laptop closes, all that illusion is shattered, 0:07:27.120 --> 0:07:30.360 and now you're just sitting in silence. And there's a 0:07:30.400 --> 0:07:32.120 part of me that thinks that that is kind of 0:07:32.160 --> 0:07:34.760 the issue with the phenomenon as a whole, which is 0:07:34.800 --> 0:07:42.040 this fake, a fake version of society that they wanted 0:07:42.040 --> 0:07:45.800 to recreate for us in order for us to obey 0:07:45.840 --> 0:07:49.840 whatever rules they want to set up for us. And 0:07:49.880 --> 0:07:51.840 so like, as I was in this, I was like, oh, 0:07:51.880 --> 0:07:54.560 I'm a part of the normalizing process of this, Like 0:07:54.640 --> 0:07:56.960 this is a I am a person, and I am 0:07:57.040 --> 0:08:00.240 here doing this as a way to show all of you. Look, 0:08:00.480 --> 0:08:03.520 even if the world is uninhabitable, even if all the 0:08:03.560 --> 0:08:06.760 corporations of the world make the surface a giant like 0:08:06.960 --> 0:08:10.520 lava stream, the rest of us can still go underground. 0:08:10.680 --> 0:08:14.600 And don't worry. There can still be the Friends reboot. 0:08:15.400 --> 0:08:19.040 Don't worry. There can still be any type of Sharman 0:08:19.160 --> 0:08:22.480 you like. It can be there, It can be underground. 0:08:22.600 --> 0:08:24.440 We can live underground. We don't need all of this 0:08:24.560 --> 0:08:26.040 real life, right. 0:08:26.480 --> 0:08:29.920 I also think it's just to your point about living 0:08:29.960 --> 0:08:33.080 inside the heads. It is really funny watching them try 0:08:33.120 --> 0:08:36.360 and sell it, like make stuff to sell us when 0:08:36.400 --> 0:08:38.840 they do not speak to real people, like yeah, what 0:08:38.840 --> 0:08:42.199 what are you fucking pigs like sitting at desks? 0:08:42.280 --> 0:08:46.920 Right? You want to walk around h world? 0:08:47.040 --> 0:08:49.440 I guess Look it's the few pigs like this, right, 0:08:49.640 --> 0:08:50.479 What do you think? 0:08:50.559 --> 0:08:53.079 The thing about the human version of the right now, 0:08:53.120 --> 0:08:56.000 what I see is the in the IRL version of 0:08:56.080 --> 0:09:01.200 the metaverse are the corporate like it is not only 0:09:01.320 --> 0:09:04.120 a it's an apartment complex, it's where you work. It's 0:09:04.120 --> 0:09:06.960 also where the the you got your slop balls, and 0:09:07.000 --> 0:09:08.600 then you can go over here and you can get 0:09:08.600 --> 0:09:10.800 your face injections, and you can go over here and 0:09:10.840 --> 0:09:12.800 you can do the thing that makes you look and sound, 0:09:12.800 --> 0:09:14.840 and you can get the clothes and make look just 0:09:14.880 --> 0:09:15.600 like everybody else. 0:09:15.640 --> 0:09:18.200 The Google version of worry Free from Sorry to bother you. 0:09:18.679 --> 0:09:23.119 Yes, yes there is. That's that's like one soft rollout 0:09:23.720 --> 0:09:24.720 right for I. 0:09:24.640 --> 0:09:28.680 Do believe they'll back though they've started pulling back on 0:09:28.720 --> 0:09:30.760 corporate benefits, So I think it is going to be 0:09:31.160 --> 0:09:36.280 the moment a company offers housing within their campus. That's 0:09:36.360 --> 0:09:38.000 how you know that they've just lost the plot and 0:09:38.000 --> 0:09:39.760 they're like a how to fuck it? How do we 0:09:39.760 --> 0:09:41.000 do this just give them housing? 0:09:41.040 --> 0:09:44.400 I guess I genuinely believe all of this is the 0:09:44.520 --> 0:09:50.040 dry run for some form of United States of Peter Teel. 0:09:50.559 --> 0:09:50.800 See. 0:09:50.840 --> 0:09:54.760 That's that's the thing though, because I see that argument. 0:09:55.400 --> 0:09:57.719 But whenever I read them or hear them talk, or 0:09:57.720 --> 0:09:59.760 actually look at the success of them trying to do 0:09:59.840 --> 0:10:03.000 like the network state stuff, which always seems to go 0:10:03.080 --> 0:10:06.080 poorly because running a city or a country is hard. 0:10:06.600 --> 0:10:09.720 It's hard, they also see it fall apart, and I 0:10:09.800 --> 0:10:12.839 see them put like, AI in general, is this thing 0:10:12.920 --> 0:10:16.360 that's very much a cultureless person. I personally doesn't know 0:10:16.400 --> 0:10:18.080 anything how they think. 0:10:17.920 --> 0:10:19.120 Knowledge or culture works. 0:10:19.360 --> 0:10:22.960 Culture is just when you go to the art spender 0:10:23.200 --> 0:10:25.680 and you're like, what art, please, I've got one hundred dollars. 0:10:25.679 --> 0:10:26.960 How much art can I get for this? 0:10:27.400 --> 0:10:30.760 Oh? I'm just humans hanging out spending time and in 0:10:30.880 --> 0:10:34.640 culture too. Yeah, it's like it's this culture is literally 0:10:34.760 --> 0:10:37.880 just a it was a not to not to minimize it, 0:10:37.920 --> 0:10:39.959 but it's almost a to me in my mind, it's 0:10:39.960 --> 0:10:43.559 a it's a it's a product of our connectivity as 0:10:43.720 --> 0:10:46.960 an animal, as a psychic animal. I see, that's the 0:10:47.000 --> 0:10:49.920 point of it. And so they're just trying to. They 0:10:50.160 --> 0:10:55.200 don't they think that day Okay, they hate though. 0:10:55.240 --> 0:10:59.440 They really have like a deep homophobia towards anything emotional 0:10:59.520 --> 0:11:01.920 or sensual, also feminine, is what they do. 0:11:02.480 --> 0:11:05.559 I do believe that that that is the literal vibe 0:11:05.920 --> 0:11:07.920 that I get, which is this idea of you look 0:11:07.920 --> 0:11:11.200 at Peter Thiel talking, look at these people talking, and 0:11:11.240 --> 0:11:12.160 I guess that's what it is. 0:11:12.040 --> 0:11:14.880 Is that is still though, but you're saying this like 0:11:14.880 --> 0:11:15.840 a self loathing to it. 0:11:16.240 --> 0:11:20.040 I just mean in terms of his the way they 0:11:20.520 --> 0:11:24.520 view it as frivolous and stupid, right, But our our 0:11:24.720 --> 0:11:28.960 need for connection is something that is replaced. That is 0:11:29.440 --> 0:11:33.640 very trindset. Yes, and that that is and it's extremely 0:11:33.640 --> 0:11:35.800 easy to place. And so what they didn't do little things. 0:11:35.840 --> 0:11:37.480 What you were saying too, is that the idea of 0:11:37.520 --> 0:11:39.480 a corporate culture. It's like when I was working in 0:11:39.559 --> 0:11:42.679 office jobs, the idea of a culture. I was like, 0:11:42.840 --> 0:11:46.040 oh no, no, no, no, I'm here to get health insurance. 0:11:46.800 --> 0:11:49.679 Like I'm not here to meet you, buddy, Like I'm 0:11:49.720 --> 0:11:52.439 here for health insurance, you know, Like I'm here to work, 0:11:52.800 --> 0:11:54.440 like to just get the fuck out of here and 0:11:54.480 --> 0:11:57.960 go home. But they want they just want all of us. 0:11:58.000 --> 0:12:01.280 They want every minute of our fucking breathing lives. 0:12:01.559 --> 0:12:04.120 Well, that kind of reminds me again around just before 0:12:04.120 --> 0:12:06.880 the metaverse, all of the anti remote work stuff that 0:12:07.000 --> 0:12:10.199 talked about office culture is like, office culture is so important. 0:12:10.559 --> 0:12:13.280 You need office culture. Office culture is what brings the 0:12:13.280 --> 0:12:15.880 company together. Missing for most of these articles was a 0:12:15.920 --> 0:12:19.200 definition of office culture because it was just kind of 0:12:19.920 --> 0:12:22.880 work propaganda. 0:12:21.800 --> 0:12:25.040 And doing what your boss wants you to do. Yes, oh, 0:12:25.120 --> 0:12:27.920 that is what office culture means. Mm hmmm, because which 0:12:28.000 --> 0:12:30.160 means you're living in a dictator. You're living in his 0:12:30.400 --> 0:12:32.240 you're living in his reality. 0:12:32.720 --> 0:12:35.040 And on top of that, it's like you, oh, so 0:12:35.160 --> 0:12:38.079 you're saying we should have a culture that involves supporting 0:12:38.160 --> 0:12:42.080 labor and respecting labor and valuing work and supporting us 0:12:42.320 --> 0:12:45.280 Like oh god, no, no, no, no, sorry, sorry, don't 0:12:45.280 --> 0:12:47.680 get us wrong. It's the culture of the office, not 0:12:47.760 --> 0:12:48.920 the people in it. 0:12:48.920 --> 0:12:54.240 It is the full tables. Yes, we have there's a 0:12:54.360 --> 0:12:56.240 we got a never ending soup bowl. 0:12:56.720 --> 0:13:01.800 M he loves I used I used to have a 0:13:01.840 --> 0:13:04.400 wee work long ago, and I never tried the beer. 0:13:04.679 --> 0:13:08.120 And when I finally tried it, I'm like, Wow, these 0:13:08.120 --> 0:13:11.920 people fucking hate us because it was like the worst beer. 0:13:12.040 --> 0:13:14.199 They could have put like a keg of bud Light and. 0:13:14.200 --> 0:13:15.200 It would have been fine. 0:13:15.280 --> 0:13:19.840 But they somehow found like a beer that tasted not 0:13:19.960 --> 0:13:21.400 quite as bad as Natty Light. 0:13:22.800 --> 0:13:26.000 But and they just and then but it's their where 0:13:26.120 --> 0:13:27.240 it's the wee work of beer. 0:13:27.800 --> 0:13:30.520 Yes, it really is. It's like the beer slop. 0:13:31.559 --> 0:13:38.959 Yeah, these I find it we are not living up 0:13:39.000 --> 0:13:40.200 to their expectations. 0:13:40.360 --> 0:13:40.400 Ed. 0:13:40.880 --> 0:13:42.559 Yeah, I think that's what it is, is that we're 0:13:42.559 --> 0:13:45.080 really not living up to their expectations. We're not dying 0:13:45.080 --> 0:13:47.959 fast enough, we're not working hard enough. And that's the thing, 0:13:48.000 --> 0:13:50.440 is that we really should be working and dying up 0:13:50.520 --> 0:13:54.480 until the very minute, the very minute that we die. 0:13:54.720 --> 0:14:00.360 Technically we should be productive in that it is. And 0:14:00.400 --> 0:14:02.440 that's why, you know, when I hear the argument like 0:14:02.520 --> 0:14:06.000 about how people like me should be having kids, and 0:14:06.040 --> 0:14:09.000 then I hear where the argument's coming from, and I 0:14:09.120 --> 0:14:14.040 hear it's about me keeping up the ever exponentially rising 0:14:14.800 --> 0:14:18.480 capitalistic output. That's really all they're concerned about. It's other 0:14:18.679 --> 0:14:21.880 enough workers. Yeah, it's really funny. 0:14:22.960 --> 0:14:25.320 We're going to get the listener, the occasional listeners who 0:14:25.320 --> 0:14:27.760 are like because occasionally with. I think we've got a 0:14:27.800 --> 0:14:30.640 fairly left leaning audience, but occasionally, I'm sure you're listening now, 0:14:30.680 --> 0:14:33.120 one of you guys who's like a straight up like 0:14:33.400 --> 0:14:37.200 somehow a center left person who's very pro work would 0:14:37.200 --> 0:14:40.360 be like, whoa, whoa whoa. Office culture's importance that everyone 0:14:40.400 --> 0:14:42.360 knows what they're doing their job. I know why I'm 0:14:42.360 --> 0:14:45.040 doing my job make money. Well, I'm an entertainer now, 0:14:45.040 --> 0:14:47.520 I guess not guess it's a real job. But I 0:14:47.520 --> 0:14:51.520 remember the officers I've worked in. The one that was 0:14:51.600 --> 0:14:54.480 the worst was the one that I actually respected the 0:14:54.480 --> 0:14:56.720 most for just not pretending there was a work culture. 0:14:57.000 --> 0:14:59.160 They didn't have any of that shit. They were just like, 0:14:59.280 --> 0:15:01.480 you need to do that, this enough, or we fucking 0:15:01.560 --> 0:15:04.680 fire you. It's p off truly not marrish place. 0:15:05.120 --> 0:15:05.960 But it didn't try. 0:15:06.080 --> 0:15:08.000 No one tried to pretend like we're a family. 0:15:08.040 --> 0:15:11.640 Hit no one. No, this is jail. Unless you're working 0:15:11.960 --> 0:15:16.480 at a not for profit helping people directly, there is 0:15:16.640 --> 0:15:21.280 absolutely no reason for you to have a fucking thesis 0:15:21.320 --> 0:15:26.000 statement outside of we're company that makes goods for people, 0:15:26.480 --> 0:15:29.840 or we provide X and we pay you to do X. 0:15:30.000 --> 0:15:32.240 That is it. That's all we do like it's there, 0:15:32.240 --> 0:15:33.800 doesn't even have to be special in that. And this 0:15:33.880 --> 0:15:36.200 is the problem is that where I see it from 0:15:36.720 --> 0:15:40.160 literally from reality television shows all the way up to 0:15:40.200 --> 0:15:43.000 this top. Now this concept of everything has to have 0:15:43.120 --> 0:15:47.440 like uh presented story. Everybody already has to be arriving 0:15:47.520 --> 0:15:51.480 with a character arc ready to go locked in. And 0:15:51.520 --> 0:15:57.160 now the bosses are doing that. The bosses have are 0:15:57.240 --> 0:16:01.360 applying a character arc to us. They are saying they're 0:16:01.360 --> 0:16:06.080 trying to tell us what we are gonna do for them. 0:16:06.680 --> 0:16:09.000 And now I feel like we're in this process of 0:16:09.320 --> 0:16:12.400 they are going to try over the next decade or so, 0:16:13.000 --> 0:16:16.120 to kill as many of us as possible, to literally 0:16:16.880 --> 0:16:20.600 weed out the people that are against it. They're gonna 0:16:20.640 --> 0:16:23.440 make us sick. They're gonna put bad things in the food, 0:16:23.760 --> 0:16:26.960 They're gonna pull out all of the things protecting the environment. 0:16:27.240 --> 0:16:29.560 They're extremely sure they're gonna be able to beat all 0:16:29.600 --> 0:16:31.920 of those for themselves, right, And then what they're gonna 0:16:31.920 --> 0:16:35.320 do is create a breakoff civilization. All of this is 0:16:35.360 --> 0:16:38.360 a dry run for them to leave us behind. 0:16:38.960 --> 0:16:42.640 The funny thing is is, though I believe you that 0:16:42.640 --> 0:16:44.320 that's what they may plan, I. 0:16:44.480 --> 0:16:46.040 Just I mean the plan. It's the plan. 0:16:46.400 --> 0:16:48.680 I don't think they're competent enough to prove it. Because 0:16:48.720 --> 0:16:51.760 the metav Hus was the I think Clubhouse was the 0:16:51.760 --> 0:16:53.600 beginning for me, but the Metavhus was the moment when 0:16:53.600 --> 0:16:57.280 I was like, oh, you don't speak to any real 0:16:57.360 --> 0:16:58.200 people like you. 0:16:58.320 --> 0:17:03.560 Just the house was the single dumbest than giantest, thank god, 0:17:03.720 --> 0:17:07.679 flaming pile of waste of money of anything I have 0:17:07.840 --> 0:17:12.679 ever that was so stupid. I was gonna almost use 0:17:12.720 --> 0:17:16.439 a presidential word ad it was so stupid that the 0:17:16.520 --> 0:17:19.040 whole thing, I cannot believe the whole thing needs to 0:17:19.080 --> 0:17:23.560 be deleted. That it was just repackaging intercoms. If it 0:17:23.640 --> 0:17:26.359 was repackaging a zoom call, a conference call. 0:17:26.600 --> 0:17:30.359 It's like, do you ever wanted really really really really 0:17:30.440 --> 0:17:32.760 bad non produced radio. 0:17:32.960 --> 0:17:36.240 With people that thought they were great? Welcome to clubhouse. 0:17:36.280 --> 0:17:39.040 Do you want to hear vcs talk for hours and 0:17:39.160 --> 0:17:43.240 say multiple slurs? Well, guess well, we have a place 0:17:43.280 --> 0:17:44.360 for you. 0:17:44.400 --> 0:17:46.200 We already have podcasts. Man. Yeah. 0:17:46.280 --> 0:17:49.639 But the thing is, though it was I remember getting 0:17:49.640 --> 0:17:52.159 The reason that it got to me Clubhouse specifically was 0:17:52.160 --> 0:17:54.439 because the amount of people I talked to was like, 0:17:54.640 --> 0:17:56.560 this is the future, man, it's the future. This is 0:17:56.600 --> 0:18:00.000 how everything's gonna get done. I voice, what's your clubhouse stretch? 0:18:00.280 --> 0:18:02.679 What's your every But are you how many times I 0:18:02.720 --> 0:18:05.359 heard that fucking sentence? And I was just like, this 0:18:05.480 --> 0:18:07.720 super flu is gonna kill all of us? That was 0:18:07.720 --> 0:18:09.720 like the only that was my name. I was like 0:18:09.880 --> 0:18:12.920 terrified of dying. Yes, I was like, we're all gonna 0:18:12.920 --> 0:18:15.639 fucking die. And you want me to repackage radio again, 0:18:16.640 --> 0:18:19.320 I've already done it, dude, I did it fifteen years ago, 0:18:19.720 --> 0:18:20.679 just like the Good Doctor. 0:18:20.840 --> 0:18:33.840 I am a podcaster. Yeah, it's but. 0:18:33.840 --> 0:18:35.280 It was also just a moment where I was like 0:18:35.280 --> 0:18:38.280 looking at all of these supposedly smart people, all these 0:18:38.320 --> 0:18:40.120 people who are meant to really know what they're fucking 0:18:40.160 --> 0:18:42.520 talked about, and watching them as they just went yeah, 0:18:42.560 --> 0:18:45.639 this is this is crazy, man. And then at the 0:18:45.680 --> 0:18:48.760 same time, I've been reading all this anti remote stuff 0:18:48.880 --> 0:18:50.960 and I was like, wait a minute, all of these 0:18:51.000 --> 0:18:54.360 are written by managers or bosses who aren't in the office. 0:18:54.920 --> 0:18:58.120 And then it was just kind of obvious, but none 0:18:58.160 --> 0:19:01.439 of these people interact with their business. Is all regular people, 0:19:02.080 --> 0:19:04.439 so they're just the things that they make do not 0:19:04.520 --> 0:19:07.800 reflect solving human problems. And then the meta us comes 0:19:07.800 --> 0:19:10.960 along and half most of the media was like, yep, 0:19:11.800 --> 0:19:15.520 this makes perfect sense, and I as a gamer, was 0:19:15.600 --> 0:19:21.520 like you were describing World of Warcraft or like an MMRPG, 0:19:21.680 --> 0:19:24.480 you were just describing going online in a group I played. 0:19:24.480 --> 0:19:26.440 EverQuest I have the skin already happened? 0:19:26.480 --> 0:19:30.600 And also it looks like somebody read the book snow Crash, 0:19:30.800 --> 0:19:33.919 like one of the one of their aides read the 0:19:33.920 --> 0:19:38.040 book snow Crash at some point in college vaguely described 0:19:38.080 --> 0:19:41.600 the concept of making real estate out of nothing, which 0:19:41.640 --> 0:19:44.720 I think really was what the metaverse was about. Was 0:19:44.760 --> 0:19:48.040 his idea of recreating a world in which they could 0:19:48.080 --> 0:19:50.680 own everything, yet they wanted to own the next Internet. 0:19:50.840 --> 0:19:53.919 That was very much what Zuckerberg wanted. That was the idea. 0:19:53.920 --> 0:19:55.359 Is that they would have said and they would again 0:19:55.520 --> 0:19:57.720 set all the rules. They'd set all the rules, they'd 0:19:57.720 --> 0:20:00.320 already had set up, all the real estate parameters. They 0:20:00.480 --> 0:20:03.600 you'd show up into this like brand new world of 0:20:03.640 --> 0:20:05.280 a thing, and then you'd be described, oh my god, 0:20:05.320 --> 0:20:08.120 there's a McDonald's. Oh my god, there's a fucking pizza hut. 0:20:08.119 --> 0:20:11.320 Oh my god, because they've already bought into this real 0:20:11.440 --> 0:20:14.359 estate concept. Because they were just trying to figure out. 0:20:14.440 --> 0:20:16.520 I also feel like that's a part of it. They 0:20:16.880 --> 0:20:18.760 saw some of the writing on the wall of like 0:20:18.840 --> 0:20:20.560 it's gonna be hard to get these fuckers back in 0:20:20.600 --> 0:20:23.400 the office. These fuckers went home and they're fucking enjoying 0:20:23.440 --> 0:20:25.040 their They just do it. 0:20:25.080 --> 0:20:27.199 They're doing as much work, if not more, and they 0:20:27.200 --> 0:20:27.840 seem happy. 0:20:28.320 --> 0:20:30.840 That shit fucking hate Wait. Wait, wait, I did you 0:20:30.920 --> 0:20:32.960 see I want to smell what he's eating. I want 0:20:32.960 --> 0:20:34.840 to look I want to hear what he's listening to. 0:20:34.920 --> 0:20:36.360 I want to ask him about his wife. I want 0:20:36.359 --> 0:20:38.200 to lookt his wife, I want to think about his wife. 0:20:38.440 --> 0:20:39.879 And so what I think that like, that's what I 0:20:39.880 --> 0:20:47.040 think turns into right, Yeah, So they just then realized, like, oh, 0:20:47.080 --> 0:20:49.200 but what if we could do it so we can 0:20:49.240 --> 0:20:51.760 bring them into this other world and then we own 0:20:51.960 --> 0:20:54.080 it's like that, it's it's real. Then eventually we can 0:20:54.160 --> 0:20:57.040 let go. Yeah, then we can let go of real 0:20:57.080 --> 0:20:58.879 life real estate. Then maybe if we build it all 0:20:58.920 --> 0:21:00.879 in the in the metaverse, just on that great books 0:21:00.880 --> 0:21:03.800 no crash, anybody read, the end we could do is 0:21:03.840 --> 0:21:07.800 we could build out this amazing new real estate system 0:21:08.119 --> 0:21:12.480