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Speaker 1: This is the Patriots Catch twenty two podcasts with Evan

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Speaker 2: Bar B and Lazar Hello, everybody nailed it, joined us

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Speaker 2: always by our bar gap.

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Speaker 1: Here is Evan Lazar and Alex bars when. I don't

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Speaker 1: know if people can see this on camera when you

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Speaker 1: watch him on the field, why it's like the same mannerism.

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Speaker 1: It's gonna be really because for you, I.

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Speaker 2: Just brought it up because because he's from MoMA.

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Speaker 1: I just brought up because I heard Nebraska and we

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Speaker 1: have ten minutes to go. But it's also I don't know,

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Speaker 1: we had some real stuff to talk about.

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Speaker 2: I know we did well.

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Speaker 1: You got annoyed with the kickers.

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Speaker 2: This is not the show I wanted to do today, Alex.

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Speaker 2: I'm just gonna I'm just gonna come right out and

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Speaker 2: say it. This was not the show I wanted to

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Speaker 2: do today. I wanted to do a show where we

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Speaker 2: were both checking our phones every five minutes. Yep off. Well,

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Speaker 2: I wanted to do a show that Brandon Nayuku was

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Speaker 2: a patriot. But I would have said for doing a

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Speaker 2: show where Brandon Nyuk might be a patriot, could could

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Speaker 2: still be a patriot. There was still hope in the

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Speaker 2: air that he could be a Patriot doing a show.

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Speaker 2: After late last night, Adam Schefter tweets out that the

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Speaker 2: Patriots have removed themselves from the Brandon Nyuk sweepstakes. It's

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Speaker 2: not the show I wanted to do. You know, there's

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Speaker 2: like a common and I don't think that this show

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Speaker 2: falls under this category because people know where our allegiances are. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: but there's this common thing that like the media likes

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Speaker 2: it when the team is bad, right, or they like

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Speaker 2: it when things like this happen that they can rag

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Speaker 2: on the team about. That's not this show. This show

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Speaker 2: would love to have Brandon Nyuk as a New England

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Speaker 2: of Brandon Nyuk being a New England Patriot. And that's

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Speaker 2: not where we're at. That's how where we're at. And

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Speaker 2: I want to lay out the facts of the case

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Speaker 2: the show. We're getting right into it.

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Speaker 1: I think people have it right up to attend with this.

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Speaker 1: And I'm not saying don't be disappointed. You can be disappointed,

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Speaker 1: but I'm disappointed. I think people have lost sight of

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Speaker 1: the bigger picture.

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Speaker 2: Okay, we'll get to we'll get to that. Taken a

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Speaker 2: second because I want to see where you're going with that.

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Speaker 2: But I want to lay out the facts because right now,

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Speaker 2: understandably so, there are a lot of upset people that

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Speaker 2: this fell through. I get it. The other night, I

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Speaker 2: was asleep, I went to bed early. It's training camp.

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Speaker 2: I was tired. I had like six text messages from

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Speaker 2: point thirty telling me that Brandon Nayuk might be a Patriot.

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Speaker 2: It's actually happening. I tweeted out that the gift from

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Speaker 2: the office of you know, Michael Scott running around It's okay,

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Speaker 2: it's happening, right. And the report was it was the

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Speaker 2: the list in the pursuit of Brandon Nayuk. And unfortunately,

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Speaker 2: fact number one to me is that the Patriots and

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Speaker 2: the Browns were used as leverage. The Patriots and Browns

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Speaker 2: Frankly, I thought all along that this was coming from

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Speaker 3: No.

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Speaker 1: He Here's what's crazy, he said two months ago on

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Speaker 1: Ryan Clark's podcast, if he didn't play for the Niners,

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Speaker 1: he wanted to play for the commanders of the Steelers.

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Speaker 1: I still don't know why the commanders weren't all over this.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, but my guess is that my guess is that

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Speaker 2: And then what happens is that you leak out there

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Speaker 2: they come out of nowhere again and they're like, Okay,

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Speaker 2: now this report, the exact number in figures aren't necessarily

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Speaker 1: Yeah, And there were other reports that had them north

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Speaker 1: at twenty eight million dollars a year.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. Josina Anderson just said that she had heard twenty

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Speaker 2: eight point five. I've heard already somewhere in the twenty

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Speaker 1: Range, which is legitimate. I mean, that would make him.

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Speaker 2: A legitimate a legitimate offer.

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Speaker 1: That's just shy of Justin Jefferson, which is about I

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Speaker 1: never expected them to break the Justin Jefferson.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's about what Tyreek killed in his restructured contract,

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Speaker 2: just got with the Miami diach so competitive market value

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Speaker 2: contract for Brandon Nyuk. And guess what, Brandon Nyuk does

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Speaker 2: not want to come to New England. He doesn't want

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Speaker 2: to be here. And Adam Schefter added to it and said,

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Speaker 2: you know, this morning, I think it was in a

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Speaker 2: Nyuk's people, his agent, and there just wasn't a whole

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Speaker 2: this is where the Patriots are at. The Patriots are

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Speaker 2: they need to make themselves appealing again. Because a Uke

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Speaker 2: He essentially has a no trade clause, right because no

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Speaker 1: And I think that's why the Patriots pulled out. That's

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Speaker 1: just kind of what it sounded like. Is Brandon and you,

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Speaker 1: you know, would have I mean, like you say, he

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Speaker 1: you're not going to trade for him without to guarantee

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Speaker 1: the extension. If his team comes to you and says, yeah, okay,

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Speaker 1: can't make that trade without a guaranteed extension.

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Speaker 2: No, this was all these trade terms that were agreed

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Speaker 2: to or contingent on Brandon and you signing an extension.

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Speaker 2: No extension, no trade. It's that simple. So I don't

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Speaker 2: want to hear it about money. I don't want to

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Speaker 2: And when I say I don't want to hear about

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Speaker 2: They're not attracting players you name brand players of that

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Speaker 2: And I know a lot of Patriots fans and my

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Speaker 2: I couldn't tell you. I don't.

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Speaker 1: I it's Tomlin.

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Speaker 2: Tomlin, the fact that they won ten games last year

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Speaker 2: I can't read his mind. But the point is is

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Speaker 1: Despite and despite with the cry babies on Twitter will

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Speaker 1: tell you that can change. Yeah, I mean a lot

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Speaker 1: of things have to happen for that to change, but

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Speaker 1: that can change. Look, they're a four win team with

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Speaker 1: Drake may shows you something and maybe, like Alex van Pelt,

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Speaker 1: get the attention wide receivers. This comes down to whatever

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Speaker 1: Drake May be the guy? Yes? Or no? And Drake

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Speaker 1: May doesn't even have to be great. I go back

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Speaker 2: Yeah, but he was touchdowns okay, but the error was

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Speaker 1: But it was flashes. It wasn't anything definitive.

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Speaker 1: There's no way that he wasn't what he is now.

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Speaker 1: But this is my point. All you need is Drake

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Speaker 1: made a flash. Yeah, all you need is Drake made it.

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Speaker 1: Just flash. He doesn't have to win Rookie of the

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Speaker 1: But again it comes down to what everything comes down

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Speaker 1: for the Patriots. Is Drake made the guy or not?

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Speaker 1: If he is, Wide receivers want to want to play

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Speaker 1: with him. If he's not the guy, they have bigger

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Speaker 1: if he's not the guy. Yeah, that's what it comes

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Speaker 2: It's such a tough spot to be in because you

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Speaker 2: need to build equity around the league and show these

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Speaker 2: star players that you're building something promising here. But you

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Speaker 2: have to do it essentially just through the draft and

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Speaker 2: through within because you're not attracting the players yet.

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Speaker 3: Right.

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Speaker 2: It's like a chicken or the egg type of thing

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Speaker 2: where you don't have the equity built to sign a

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Speaker 2: big name free agent like Calvin Ridley or make a

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Speaker 2: big splash trade like Brandon Aiyuk, but you don't have

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Speaker 2: the talent to be a playoff team to show that spark.

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Speaker 2: But you also don't have the equity to make the

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Speaker 2: trades that give you the talent, Right, So it's a

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Speaker 2: tough spot to be in.

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Speaker 1: So that comes down to player development. Yeah, the guys

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Speaker 2: Yeah? The last point I want to make on this,

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Speaker 1: It's it's acceptable, but it's definitely like the earliest it

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Speaker 2: And for the most part we've discussed that as well.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, like you want to see how it kind of

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Speaker 2: why you can't move up the timeline on this type

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Speaker 1: I can't imagine Bill ever offering a receiver thirty million

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Speaker 1: they've never signed a big name wide receiver. You're right

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Speaker 1: They'll never trade for a big.

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Speaker 1: Bills never made a splash move for a wide receiver

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Speaker 1: these kind of moves happen all the time in the NFL,

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Speaker 1: and they've come up short. Now this front office has

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Speaker 1: And the efforts there, and the efforts the right and

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I want to talk about the mentality really quickly,

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Speaker 2: that chefter tweet. Mentality. I want to talk about that

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Speaker 2: don't take part in free agency notorious. They don't bring

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's not. It's a different league than Ron Wolfe

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I just there was a chance, and my guess

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Speaker 2: it's just being a functional, serviceable veteran stop gap and

435
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Speaker 2: just a great dude honestly, Like I know, nobody really

436
00:21:16,520 --> 00:21:19,720
Speaker 2: cares about that, but he he matters. He matters, And

437
00:21:19,760 --> 00:21:22,320
Speaker 2: I said he didn't. I apologize to him for that.

438
00:21:22,400 --> 00:21:25,479
Speaker 2: I shouldn't have said that, you know, I didn't. I

439
00:21:25,560 --> 00:21:28,080
Speaker 2: wasn't familiar with your game, as they like to say,

440
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Speaker 2: so I'm sorry.

441
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Speaker 1: Last week Flgar for doing the same thing.

442
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Speaker 2: No, I got mad at Felger because Felger told me

443
00:21:37,160 --> 00:21:41,280
Speaker 2: that Jacoby Brissett was trash for weeks on end, I

444
00:21:41,400 --> 00:21:44,760
Speaker 2: said on one of our live PU shows during training

445
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Speaker 2: camp that I didn't care about Jacoby Brissett in the

446
00:21:47,720 --> 00:21:50,879
Speaker 2: prism of training camp to me, was all about evaluating

447
00:21:50,920 --> 00:21:52,639
Speaker 2: Drake May and I could really care.

448
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Speaker 1: Less, Okay, right not.

449
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Speaker 2: I you know, I think that Jacobyberseet can play a

450
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Speaker 2: little bit. I've always said that about you know, his

451
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Speaker 2: Brown season and two twenty two and uh, if you

452
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Speaker 2: look at the numbers and you look at the tape

453
00:22:03,160 --> 00:22:05,800
Speaker 2: from that season, it's it's better than people think it is.

454
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Speaker 2: I'm not saying it's great. I'm not saying you're gonna

455
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Speaker 2: win Super Bowl. I'm not saying that he's gonna win

456
00:22:10,640 --> 00:22:14,320
Speaker 2: ten to eleven games for you this year. But it's certainly

457
00:22:14,359 --> 00:22:16,960
Speaker 2: better than the quarterback play they've gotten here over the

458
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Speaker 2: last two years.

459
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Speaker 1: Yeah.

460
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Speaker 2: And that's exactly how I feel about about Jacoby Brissett

461
00:22:21,280 --> 00:22:24,119
Speaker 2: with Drake May though. And I know you're gonna tell me,

462
00:22:24,840 --> 00:22:28,880
Speaker 2: you know, learn your lessons, slow down, YadA, YadA, YadA.

463
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Speaker 2: Let's see what it looks like tomorrow night. It's a

464
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Speaker 2: big test for him, yep, in a game setting. If

465
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Speaker 2: it comes apart tomorrow night, then I'll change my tune.

466
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Speaker 2: Subject to change. But we're trending towards that point of

467
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Speaker 2: the summer where I would just like to see him

468
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Speaker 2: with starters against starters, and it's almost just as important

469
00:22:49,520 --> 00:22:53,080
Speaker 2: to see him against starters as it is with Yeah,

470
00:22:53,240 --> 00:22:55,440
Speaker 2: we're at the point now where it looks like he's

471
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Speaker 2: starting to stack days where the results aren't always perfect,

472
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Speaker 2: and you know when people tweet out the training camp

473
00:23:02,080 --> 00:23:05,159
Speaker 2: stats there, you know it's it's sometimes uneven, you know,

474
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Speaker 2: five of eleven, six for twelve, whatever the number is.

475
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Speaker 2: But the eye test, he looks like he's seeing it

476
00:23:14,359 --> 00:23:17,680
Speaker 2: a little bit better. Is the ball's coming out a

477
00:23:17,720 --> 00:23:20,960
Speaker 2: little bit quicker, He's a little bit more confident. You

478
00:23:21,000 --> 00:23:23,440
Speaker 2: can actually see him kind of going through reads and

479
00:23:23,920 --> 00:23:27,440
Speaker 2: recognizing things pre snap a little bit faster. I've liked

480
00:23:27,440 --> 00:23:29,359
Speaker 2: what I've seen out of him from let's call it

481
00:23:29,400 --> 00:23:32,359
Speaker 2: the last three or four practices in that regard, and

482
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Speaker 2: that was really what we were talking about in terms

483
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Speaker 2: of the development, was between the years, you know, processing,

484
00:23:37,840 --> 00:23:41,959
Speaker 2: decision making, anticipation, timing, rhythm, all that kind of stuff.

485
00:23:42,119 --> 00:23:45,440
Speaker 2: I feel like he's he's coming along in those regards,

486
00:23:45,880 --> 00:23:50,280
Speaker 2: and at some point he has had a mix of

487
00:23:51,160 --> 00:23:54,040
Speaker 2: rosterable receivers that he's throwing to. You know, Baker is

488
00:23:54,040 --> 00:23:56,080
Speaker 2: out there with him, Polk is out there with him.

489
00:23:56,480 --> 00:23:58,920
Speaker 2: On occasion, Pop is out there with him. So it's

490
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Speaker 2: not like he's always going to back end to the

491
00:24:01,240 --> 00:24:04,440
Speaker 2: roster guys. But he doesn't have usually have Hunter Henry

492
00:24:04,440 --> 00:24:06,399
Speaker 2: because Hunter Henry gets his work in with the ones

493
00:24:06,440 --> 00:24:09,040
Speaker 2: and then and then sits it sits out, and he

494
00:24:09,080 --> 00:24:12,720
Speaker 2: doesn't have Remondree in the backfield. I would just and

495
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Speaker 2: he most importantly, he doesn't have the starting offensive line.

496
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Speaker 1: Which is really the backup offensive line. Yeah, he's been

497
00:24:19,920 --> 00:24:21,639
Speaker 1: working with the backup offensive line, which is really the

498
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Speaker 1: third offensive line.

499
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Speaker 2: Right, and we already know on this team. It's a

500
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Speaker 2: great point. We already know on this team that offensive

501
00:24:28,280 --> 00:24:31,359
Speaker 2: line depth is an issue. Right, So think about not

502
00:24:31,920 --> 00:24:34,320
Speaker 2: only does he not have this the quote unquote starting

503
00:24:34,359 --> 00:24:38,280
Speaker 2: offensive line, he's now working with the backup.

504
00:24:38,000 --> 00:24:39,840
Speaker 1: Working with guys that probably won't be on the team.

505
00:24:39,960 --> 00:24:42,400
Speaker 2: Yeah, in a lot of cases, like Leyden Robinson will

506
00:24:42,440 --> 00:24:46,120
Speaker 2: be here as a draft pick. And you know, there

507
00:24:46,200 --> 00:24:50,280
Speaker 2: have been times recently where like Leverett has subdi because

508
00:24:50,320 --> 00:24:53,040
Speaker 2: the snaps have just been disastrous and they they've needed that.

509
00:24:53,200 --> 00:24:57,320
Speaker 2: You know, we talk a lot about yesterday the reports

510
00:24:57,320 --> 00:25:01,320
Speaker 2: out of practice, A lot of them were start looked

511
00:25:01,359 --> 00:25:03,600
Speaker 2: really good. You know, had that one drive where he

512
00:25:03,640 --> 00:25:05,720
Speaker 2: was getting the ball out quick and hitting Jalen Rager

513
00:25:05,800 --> 00:25:09,120
Speaker 2: underneath and taking profits and marching the offense a little bit.

514
00:25:09,320 --> 00:25:12,400
Speaker 2: And he had a fantastic seven on seven run which

515
00:25:13,160 --> 00:25:15,119
Speaker 2: I don't really care about at this point, like, but

516
00:25:15,720 --> 00:25:18,959
Speaker 2: it existed. And then we got into the hurry up

517
00:25:19,040 --> 00:25:20,840
Speaker 2: or the one minute or whatever you want to call it,

518
00:25:21,280 --> 00:25:24,480
Speaker 2: and the the wheels came off right, you know, he

519
00:25:24,520 --> 00:25:28,920
Speaker 2: came off the rails. But when he really break down

520
00:25:30,240 --> 00:25:33,080
Speaker 2: what happened in that hurry up sequence, and I know

521
00:25:33,080 --> 00:25:36,360
Speaker 2: people always making excuses again whatever the hurry up offense.

522
00:25:37,080 --> 00:25:40,199
Speaker 2: There's two drops in there. There's a bad snap that

523
00:25:40,240 --> 00:25:43,760
Speaker 2: got the center replaced that a delay game, which tells

524
00:25:43,760 --> 00:25:45,760
Speaker 2: you that it was the center because they yanked him

525
00:25:45,840 --> 00:25:50,000
Speaker 2: right away. And the pick that he threw was like

526
00:25:50,040 --> 00:25:53,000
Speaker 2: a bang bang play where he went through Javon Baker's

527
00:25:53,040 --> 00:25:54,919
Speaker 2: hands and then tipped up in the air and like

528
00:25:55,119 --> 00:25:57,480
Speaker 2: it was just one of those plays. It wasn't like

529
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Speaker 2: I thought he made a terrible read and threw the

530
00:25:59,200 --> 00:26:04,280
Speaker 2: ball right to it right. There's so much context, is

531
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Speaker 2: my point in all some of these reps that if

532
00:26:07,520 --> 00:26:10,040
Speaker 2: he's with the starters, if he's with the ones who

533
00:26:10,080 --> 00:26:12,040
Speaker 2: have looked like they've clicked a little bit and are

534
00:26:12,080 --> 00:26:15,480
Speaker 2: coming into a rhythm at times and practice like maybe

535
00:26:15,560 --> 00:26:19,040
Speaker 2: all of these little blips of it are along along

536
00:26:19,080 --> 00:26:21,600
Speaker 2: the way, don't look as bad if the ball is

537
00:26:21,600 --> 00:26:25,520
Speaker 2: not going right through people's hands and things like that, right, right, So,

538
00:26:27,000 --> 00:26:29,480
Speaker 2: I'm not telling you that I'm ready to annoint him

539
00:26:29,520 --> 00:26:33,679
Speaker 2: as the starter yet I've learned I'm getting there. But

540
00:26:35,359 --> 00:26:37,280
Speaker 2: he's at the point now where I feel like, if

541
00:26:37,320 --> 00:26:39,920
Speaker 2: he has a good performance tomorrow night in the preseason game,

542
00:26:40,160 --> 00:26:42,600
Speaker 2: he's earned the right to at least see what it

543
00:26:42,640 --> 00:26:45,159
Speaker 2: looks like with him with the starters. That doesn't mean

544
00:26:45,200 --> 00:26:47,560
Speaker 2: you have to bench cover like, doesn't mean you have

545
00:26:47,600 --> 00:26:50,639
Speaker 2: to change course, right It just for right now, it's

546
00:26:51,160 --> 00:26:53,240
Speaker 2: it's probably worth a look that. And That's kind of

547
00:26:53,240 --> 00:26:55,160
Speaker 2: where I'm at with drag Man. I'm just encouraged by

548
00:26:55,960 --> 00:26:58,639
Speaker 2: the timing and the rhythm and the processing seem to

549
00:26:59,200 --> 00:27:02,720
Speaker 2: be faster, quicker, be more in sync of what you

550
00:27:02,720 --> 00:27:05,440
Speaker 2: would want out of an NFL quarterback than what they

551
00:27:05,440 --> 00:27:07,880
Speaker 2: were let's say this time a week and a half ago.

552
00:27:08,240 --> 00:27:10,159
Speaker 1: Yeah, and you use the word earned in there. I

553
00:27:10,160 --> 00:27:14,040
Speaker 1: think that's the big I think that's the big one.

554
00:27:14,080 --> 00:27:17,080
Speaker 1: I think that that's the important term because you do

555
00:27:17,200 --> 00:27:19,359
Speaker 1: have to earn starts. You do have to earn reps

556
00:27:19,359 --> 00:27:21,399
Speaker 1: with the starters. And that's not just from the coaching

557
00:27:21,400 --> 00:27:24,760
Speaker 1: stavage from your teammates. Guys want to play with the

558
00:27:24,800 --> 00:27:27,159
Speaker 1: quarterback that's gonna allow them to maximize what they can do.

559
00:27:27,280 --> 00:27:28,960
Speaker 1: And we talked a lot about this with Mac and

560
00:27:28,960 --> 00:27:30,639
Speaker 1: Bailey's Appy the last couple of years about where the

561
00:27:30,640 --> 00:27:34,040
Speaker 1: locker room is at. I would expect he'll see sometime

562
00:27:34,080 --> 00:27:35,840
Speaker 1: with the ones, whatever the ones looks like in this

563
00:27:35,880 --> 00:27:39,000
Speaker 1: game again with all the offensive lineman out, and those

564
00:27:39,040 --> 00:27:41,280
Speaker 1: are big reps. Form, those big reps form. Like you said,

565
00:27:41,280 --> 00:27:43,800
Speaker 1: this is where if he's gonna make that push, that's

566
00:27:43,800 --> 00:27:46,280
Speaker 1: where it starts. You want to get reps with the

567
00:27:46,320 --> 00:27:49,640
Speaker 1: starters and the joint practice, which is very important. Prove

568
00:27:49,720 --> 00:27:52,520
Speaker 1: tomorrow night you're up for it. Yeah, and then from there, right,

569
00:27:52,520 --> 00:27:53,879
Speaker 1: you have a good joint practice and you go in

570
00:27:53,880 --> 00:27:56,480
Speaker 1: a second preseason game and you start closing that gap.

571
00:27:56,640 --> 00:27:59,520
Speaker 1: So this is his chance to start earning reps with

572
00:27:59,520 --> 00:28:02,080
Speaker 1: the ones. He does have to earn them. You can't

573
00:28:02,200 --> 00:28:06,480
Speaker 1: let your timeline dictate his development. His development is to

574
00:28:06,520 --> 00:28:08,800
Speaker 1: dictate your timeline. And he comes out with the starters

575
00:28:08,800 --> 00:28:11,600
Speaker 1: and struggles. Let's not force it and say, well, it

576
00:28:11,680 --> 00:28:13,480
Speaker 1: was his first time with the starters. Let's keep No,

577
00:28:13,960 --> 00:28:17,200
Speaker 1: he's gotta look the part in order to earn more reps.

578
00:28:17,200 --> 00:28:19,640
Speaker 1: But this is a chance for him to earn more reps.

579
00:28:19,640 --> 00:28:23,320
Speaker 1: And if he does play well Thursday night, Dennett's all right,

580
00:28:23,359 --> 00:28:25,600
Speaker 1: how's he looking to the joint practice? How's he look

581
00:28:25,600 --> 00:28:27,679
Speaker 1: in the preseason game against the Eagles. And then you

582
00:28:27,680 --> 00:28:30,600
Speaker 1: get to start having that conversation of all right, when

583
00:28:30,600 --> 00:28:33,240
Speaker 1: do we see this in a real game. Yeah, there's

584
00:28:33,240 --> 00:28:35,119
Speaker 1: a lot of ifs in there, but you know, I hear.

585
00:28:34,960 --> 00:28:37,639
Speaker 2: What you're saying, and I have a question for you

586
00:28:37,680 --> 00:28:39,520
Speaker 2: in a second. But the other thing I just wanted

587
00:28:39,520 --> 00:28:42,520
Speaker 2: to say was I've really liked how they've coached him

588
00:28:42,600 --> 00:28:45,120
Speaker 2: so far in these practices I had the other day.

589
00:28:45,120 --> 00:28:47,120
Speaker 2: And I can't tell you if this has been true

590
00:28:47,120 --> 00:28:49,240
Speaker 2: for every single practice because I didn't do this. But

591
00:28:49,680 --> 00:28:52,160
Speaker 2: during games, when we're sitting in the press box, I

592
00:28:52,960 --> 00:28:57,760
Speaker 2: live chart coverages for usually the Patriots defense. I don't

593
00:28:57,840 --> 00:29:00,560
Speaker 2: usually try it the other way, but I'll have chart,

594
00:29:00,680 --> 00:29:03,480
Speaker 2: you know, cover one, cover two, blitz, whatever, right, So

595
00:29:03,560 --> 00:29:06,600
Speaker 2: I did that for a practice to see what exactly

596
00:29:07,280 --> 00:29:11,600
Speaker 2: the coaches are throwing at Drake may in these practices,

597
00:29:11,640 --> 00:29:14,040
Speaker 2: because when I was watching it, well, first of all,

598
00:29:14,080 --> 00:29:16,640
Speaker 2: what really sparked it was that when he spoke to

599
00:29:16,720 --> 00:29:19,000
Speaker 2: us last he said that they had a shot play

600
00:29:19,080 --> 00:29:22,920
Speaker 2: drew drawn up that they called for him in the

601
00:29:22,960 --> 00:29:25,880
Speaker 2: huddle and then the defense dropped out into cover two

602
00:29:26,480 --> 00:29:28,920
Speaker 2: and he was going to be throwing right into the defense,

603
00:29:28,960 --> 00:29:30,840
Speaker 2: so he had to check the ball down and you

604
00:29:30,880 --> 00:29:35,840
Speaker 2: could feel a sense of maybe a little bit frustration

605
00:29:36,600 --> 00:29:38,560
Speaker 2: with the fact that he hadn't been able to truly

606
00:29:38,600 --> 00:29:40,880
Speaker 2: air it out, is the terms that he used yet

607
00:29:40,920 --> 00:29:43,200
Speaker 2: in practice. So I said, all right, let's see what

608
00:29:43,240 --> 00:29:45,560
Speaker 2: they're doing for the practice that I charted in I

609
00:29:45,560 --> 00:29:50,360
Speaker 2: believe it was it was Monday's practice. I saw a

610
00:29:50,400 --> 00:29:53,400
Speaker 2: lot of cover two or two high safety. I saw

611
00:29:53,440 --> 00:29:56,440
Speaker 2: a lot of blitz and so what they're doing with

612
00:29:56,560 --> 00:29:58,960
Speaker 2: those two things when they blitzed him, they were making

613
00:29:59,000 --> 00:30:01,719
Speaker 2: him hot, which means that he needs to come with

614
00:30:01,760 --> 00:30:04,040
Speaker 2: the ball out right, So you're not gonna sit there,

615
00:30:04,320 --> 00:30:06,200
Speaker 2: you know, when there's an unblock blitzer coming off the

616
00:30:06,280 --> 00:30:08,160
Speaker 2: edge and they're like run a nickel pressure or something

617
00:30:08,200 --> 00:30:10,440
Speaker 2: like that. You're not gonna just like sit there for

618
00:30:10,600 --> 00:30:12,240
Speaker 2: three seconds and hold the ball and wait for the

619
00:30:12,280 --> 00:30:14,160
Speaker 2: routes down the field to develop and chuck it down

620
00:30:14,200 --> 00:30:16,920
Speaker 2: the field. So he you know, when the blitz hit came,

621
00:30:17,280 --> 00:30:19,200
Speaker 2: the ball's out, right, he's got to be out. So

622
00:30:19,240 --> 00:30:21,520
Speaker 2: he's throwing the ball to his hot at that point

623
00:30:22,160 --> 00:30:23,959
Speaker 2: when they play too high, just like he told us

624
00:30:24,000 --> 00:30:27,040
Speaker 2: in the presser, Okay, well I'm not gonna throw a

625
00:30:27,080 --> 00:30:29,920
Speaker 2: deep ball into too high because I'm throwing the ball

626
00:30:29,960 --> 00:30:32,080
Speaker 2: into you know, into double coverage, Like why would I

627
00:30:32,080 --> 00:30:35,200
Speaker 2: do that? Right? So instead what is he doing. He's

628
00:30:35,280 --> 00:30:37,920
Speaker 2: checking the ball down. The things that we talk about

629
00:30:38,160 --> 00:30:40,760
Speaker 2: with him at North Carolina that were issues that a

630
00:30:41,240 --> 00:30:43,800
Speaker 2: lot of people you know, put up to his footwork

631
00:30:43,840 --> 00:30:47,440
Speaker 2: and things like that, but a lot of it was Okay.

632
00:30:47,520 --> 00:30:50,320
Speaker 2: We know that he can make the big time throws.

633
00:30:50,480 --> 00:30:53,680
Speaker 2: We know he can make the highlights. We know he's

634
00:30:53,680 --> 00:30:56,000
Speaker 2: a playmaker. He can run around, he can make plays

635
00:30:56,000 --> 00:30:58,120
Speaker 2: off platform, he can do all that kind of stuff.

636
00:30:58,680 --> 00:31:01,000
Speaker 2: What we don't know is if he can hit the

637
00:31:01,080 --> 00:31:04,560
Speaker 2: layups Can he just sit in the pocket, within structure

638
00:31:05,080 --> 00:31:08,280
Speaker 2: and just hit throws on time and in rhythm consistently.

639
00:31:08,840 --> 00:31:11,560
Speaker 2: At North Carolina, that was his issue. He could go

640
00:31:11,640 --> 00:31:15,680
Speaker 2: out like you put Drake May's best ten college throws

641
00:31:16,400 --> 00:31:19,080
Speaker 2: against any quarterback that was drafted in the last like

642
00:31:19,120 --> 00:31:21,160
Speaker 2: three or four years, and his throws are right up

643
00:31:21,160 --> 00:31:26,000
Speaker 2: there with Anybodyi's. It was the consistency of can he

644
00:31:26,120 --> 00:31:29,520
Speaker 2: hit and out when that's all that's available to him?

645
00:31:29,560 --> 00:31:32,240
Speaker 2: Can he check a ball down against the too high pressure?

646
00:31:32,320 --> 00:31:34,560
Speaker 2: Can he beat a blitz? Can he do all these

647
00:31:34,600 --> 00:31:38,400
Speaker 2: little quarterback Intrica season nuances? So in practice, what they've

648
00:31:38,480 --> 00:31:41,760
Speaker 2: said to him is, you're not gonna be superman out here,

649
00:31:41,880 --> 00:31:43,719
Speaker 2: Like we're not gonna just let you run around and

650
00:31:43,760 --> 00:31:45,760
Speaker 2: throw sixty yard bombs all day because we know you

651
00:31:45,800 --> 00:31:48,920
Speaker 2: can do that. That's all over your college tape. We're

652
00:31:48,960 --> 00:31:51,520
Speaker 2: gonna make you play quarterback. We're gonna send stuff at

653
00:31:51,560 --> 00:31:53,560
Speaker 2: you and you're gonna have to read this out, and

654
00:31:53,600 --> 00:31:55,680
Speaker 2: you're gonna have to make the best decision with the football,

655
00:31:56,080 --> 00:31:58,160
Speaker 2: and you're gonna have to take profits. You're not gonna

656
00:31:58,160 --> 00:32:01,360
Speaker 2: get greedy and throw the ball into coverage and throw

657
00:32:01,400 --> 00:32:05,760
Speaker 2: picks left and right, this took a lot of time

658
00:32:05,880 --> 00:32:08,720
Speaker 2: for Josh Allen to learn to be able to play

659
00:32:08,800 --> 00:32:11,040
Speaker 2: like this. And I know you're gonna tell me he's still.

660
00:32:10,880 --> 00:32:13,400
Speaker 1: Has still learning, right, He's still learning.

661
00:32:13,560 --> 00:32:15,520
Speaker 2: But this has taken a lot of time for him.

662
00:32:16,040 --> 00:32:20,440
Speaker 2: And if you look at Mahomes also, Mahomes' career a

663
00:32:20,560 --> 00:32:23,560
Speaker 2: dot and a lot of this is tied to Tyreek Hill,

664
00:32:23,560 --> 00:32:26,440
Speaker 2: and I get that, but Mahomes' career A dot is

665
00:32:26,480 --> 00:32:29,960
Speaker 2: like goes like this right where like beginning of his career,

666
00:32:30,000 --> 00:32:33,320
Speaker 2: he's throwing bombs to Tyreek Hill and now he's like

667
00:32:34,080 --> 00:32:38,400
Speaker 2: a dink and dunk quarterback all of a sudden, right

668
00:32:38,560 --> 00:32:42,600
Speaker 2: because teams are just playing too high safety. They're playing

669
00:32:42,680 --> 00:32:44,840
Speaker 2: too you know, they're playing quarters, they're playing cover two,

670
00:32:45,200 --> 00:32:47,280
Speaker 2: and they are saying to Mahomes like, we're not gonna

671
00:32:47,320 --> 00:32:49,640
Speaker 2: let you beat us like that. You're gonna have to march.

672
00:32:50,280 --> 00:32:52,360
Speaker 2: And right now the Patriots are forcing Drake May to

673
00:32:52,440 --> 00:32:54,280
Speaker 2: learn how to march. And I love it. I think

674
00:32:54,320 --> 00:32:56,240
Speaker 2: that's exactly how you should coach him because this is

675
00:32:56,240 --> 00:32:58,520
Speaker 2: his weakness, like allowing him to just play to his

676
00:32:58,520 --> 00:33:01,320
Speaker 2: strengths and his instincts, and this doesn't do anybody any good.

677
00:33:01,560 --> 00:33:03,360
Speaker 2: It's not gonna make him any better. This type of

678
00:33:03,400 --> 00:33:05,560
Speaker 2: stuff is gonna make him better. So when you put

679
00:33:05,600 --> 00:33:07,720
Speaker 2: all this together and you look at some of the

680
00:33:07,800 --> 00:33:10,160
Speaker 2: ups and downs, I think this explains a lot of

681
00:33:10,160 --> 00:33:12,959
Speaker 2: the downs because they're asking him to play to his

682
00:33:13,040 --> 00:33:15,560
Speaker 2: weaknesses and do things that he needs to work on

683
00:33:15,640 --> 00:33:18,640
Speaker 2: in practice, which is what practice is for. So sometimes

684
00:33:18,640 --> 00:33:20,760
Speaker 2: we go out to practice and we watch and we

685
00:33:21,320 --> 00:33:23,400
Speaker 2: charte all the throws and we grade the results of

686
00:33:23,440 --> 00:33:26,040
Speaker 2: the plays, and it's not pretty for him at times,

687
00:33:26,720 --> 00:33:28,880
Speaker 2: but there's a lot of things that go into that.

688
00:33:29,360 --> 00:33:31,800
Speaker 2: And I'd much rather this than like watching him go

689
00:33:31,880 --> 00:33:35,600
Speaker 2: out there and play street ball and just let him

690
00:33:35,600 --> 00:33:38,840
Speaker 2: do it that way, because that's not teaching good habits,

691
00:33:38,920 --> 00:33:43,520
Speaker 2: Like that's not NFL quarterback play, that's playground stuff. So

692
00:33:43,840 --> 00:33:46,960
Speaker 2: we're in a situation now where they're really trying to

693
00:33:46,960 --> 00:33:49,480
Speaker 2: hone in on can you play within the scheme and

694
00:33:49,520 --> 00:33:51,880
Speaker 2: within the structure of the offense. And then once we

695
00:33:51,920 --> 00:33:55,320
Speaker 2: can get to that point, okay, we'll start letting you

696
00:33:56,400 --> 00:33:59,880
Speaker 2: do the other things, and then we add him together

697
00:34:00,000 --> 00:34:02,160
Speaker 2: and now all of a sudden, we got a franchise quarterback, right,

698
00:34:02,160 --> 00:34:04,840
Speaker 2: Like that's that's the goal. So I'm excited about what

699
00:34:04,880 --> 00:34:07,120
Speaker 2: they're doing with him from a coaching perspective. Now, we

700
00:34:07,560 --> 00:34:10,160
Speaker 2: hope to see the results, but he's starting to take

701
00:34:10,200 --> 00:34:12,359
Speaker 2: to the coaching a little bit, I think too, and

702
00:34:12,440 --> 00:34:15,560
Speaker 2: improve on those areas. And that's that's all you can

703
00:34:15,600 --> 00:34:19,799
Speaker 2: ask for. So my question to you, because you know

704
00:34:20,360 --> 00:34:23,040
Speaker 2: I am. You called me on another show that we

705
00:34:23,080 --> 00:34:26,880
Speaker 2: did together, on the Patriots Beat Crossover, you called me

706
00:34:26,960 --> 00:34:30,359
Speaker 2: the biggest the number one fan of the Drake May

707
00:34:30,360 --> 00:34:30,839
Speaker 2: fan club.

708
00:34:30,840 --> 00:34:33,640
Speaker 1: I think is the biggest Drake May fit. Yeah, yeah,

709
00:34:33,760 --> 00:34:36,040
Speaker 1: something along those biggest Drake May Support or something like that.

710
00:34:36,160 --> 00:34:38,839
Speaker 2: So you know everybody knows I'm a Drake May guy.

711
00:34:39,760 --> 00:34:43,000
Speaker 2: Was before we'll be after. The question I have for

712
00:34:43,080 --> 00:34:46,640
Speaker 2: you is like, am I do I have Rose coud

713
00:34:46,680 --> 00:34:49,040
Speaker 2: glasses on with this? Or are you seeing similar things

714
00:34:49,040 --> 00:34:50,360
Speaker 2: with his progress and practice?

715
00:34:51,120 --> 00:34:55,920
Speaker 1: So I I mean, I think you're mostly accurate. I

716
00:34:55,960 --> 00:34:58,879
Speaker 1: think you're I wouldn't say road colored classes. I think

717
00:34:58,880 --> 00:35:02,799
Speaker 1: you're projecting some going in the right direction, which they

718
00:35:02,880 --> 00:35:06,400
Speaker 1: very well could but they haven't yet. But no, I

719
00:35:06,920 --> 00:35:08,799
Speaker 1: like that they're making him play left handed. I do

720
00:35:08,840 --> 00:35:10,520
Speaker 1: think that they are kind of forcing him to do

721
00:35:10,560 --> 00:35:12,120
Speaker 1: the things he's not comfortable to do. That is how

722
00:35:12,120 --> 00:35:15,400
Speaker 1: you develop a quarterback. I would hope at some point

723
00:35:15,440 --> 00:35:20,359
Speaker 1: they maybe, or I not hope. I guess you want

724
00:35:20,360 --> 00:35:22,520
Speaker 1: to balance that with making sure he doesn't lose his confidence.

725
00:35:23,160 --> 00:35:25,160
Speaker 1: And he doesn't look like he's done that yet. But

726
00:35:26,120 --> 00:35:29,640
Speaker 1: you know you don't want to entirely break the kid either, right.

727
00:35:31,440 --> 00:35:36,360
Speaker 1: I think the big thing is it's all everything's happening

728
00:35:36,440 --> 00:35:38,200
Speaker 1: quicker for him than it happened at UNC, and I

729
00:35:38,200 --> 00:35:40,200
Speaker 1: think that to me, he has been The big issue

730
00:35:40,480 --> 00:35:42,759
Speaker 1: is just in some of that is he's reading things

731
00:35:42,760 --> 00:35:44,719
Speaker 1: he hasn't read before and they're not favorable to what

732
00:35:44,760 --> 00:35:45,319
Speaker 1: he wants to see.

733
00:35:45,400 --> 00:35:45,560
Speaker 2: Right.

734
00:35:46,040 --> 00:35:48,319
Speaker 1: The read and react time in the NFL is much

735
00:35:48,320 --> 00:35:50,480
Speaker 1: shorter than the read and react time in the ACC,

736
00:35:51,080 --> 00:35:53,480
Speaker 1: and that's where he was having some issues. And then

737
00:35:53,480 --> 00:35:56,480
Speaker 1: you put on top of that, nobody's blocking for him,

738
00:35:56,520 --> 00:35:59,960
Speaker 1: like he couldn't get any protection in the practice yesterday.

739
00:36:00,120 --> 00:36:02,279
Speaker 1: The word I kept going back to was comfortable. I

740
00:36:02,280 --> 00:36:04,360
Speaker 1: thought he looked comfortable. It also happened to be the

741
00:36:04,360 --> 00:36:06,680
Speaker 1: practice that he got the best pass blocking because David

742
00:36:06,719 --> 00:36:08,960
Speaker 1: Andrews's back, so Nick Leverett goes back with that group.

743
00:36:09,120 --> 00:36:10,960
Speaker 1: I thought kayten Wallas had a really good day, like

744
00:36:11,040 --> 00:36:15,799
Speaker 1: he just had more time and that's that, to me,

745
00:36:15,960 --> 00:36:20,480
Speaker 1: was the most encouraging thing that I don't want to

746
00:36:20,520 --> 00:36:23,200
Speaker 1: say like there was nothing to worry about from last week,

747
00:36:23,239 --> 00:36:28,400
Speaker 1: because they're definitely he didn't look great, but the pass

748
00:36:28,440 --> 00:36:30,279
Speaker 1: pro is a big part of it, and I think

749
00:36:30,280 --> 00:36:32,720
Speaker 1: it was encouraging to see, Okay, he had some time,

750
00:36:33,560 --> 00:36:36,120
Speaker 1: and when he had time, he didn't look as flustered,

751
00:36:36,600 --> 00:36:38,680
Speaker 1: like he actually used the time he had to deliver

752
00:36:38,760 --> 00:36:41,520
Speaker 1: the ball. And you know some of the live game

753
00:36:41,520 --> 00:36:44,880
Speaker 1: rep stuff. I put more stock into that two minute trailer,

754
00:36:44,960 --> 00:36:47,160
Speaker 1: one minute drill going more awry than maybe you did

755
00:36:47,520 --> 00:36:51,279
Speaker 1: because the baker one I don't like to read. I

756
00:36:51,320 --> 00:36:53,759
Speaker 1: don't that's a tight window that you're showing a ton of.

757
00:36:53,800 --> 00:36:56,440
Speaker 2: Dress and those are definitely ones that you'll learn now

758
00:36:56,480 --> 00:36:59,080
Speaker 2: at this level that that window doesn't exist.

759
00:36:59,080 --> 00:37:01,960
Speaker 1: So I was gonna say, if he learns from that

760
00:37:02,040 --> 00:37:05,000
Speaker 1: and doesn't throw that again, then fine, he threw the pick,

761
00:37:05,040 --> 00:37:08,080
Speaker 1: he learned from it. It happens like anytime there's a

762
00:37:08,600 --> 00:37:10,920
Speaker 1: there's I know you said they you know, moved on

763
00:37:11,040 --> 00:37:13,200
Speaker 1: from Affie. But anytime you don't get the ball snapped

764
00:37:13,760 --> 00:37:16,080
Speaker 1: that's partially on the quarterback. That's just the reality of

765
00:37:16,080 --> 00:37:20,400
Speaker 1: the position, right, So I still am concerned about in

766
00:37:20,480 --> 00:37:23,839
Speaker 1: the livest game situations, the one minute the two minute

767
00:37:23,920 --> 00:37:27,920
Speaker 1: drills are his worst periods of practice. And that is

768
00:37:28,239 --> 00:37:30,360
Speaker 1: to me part of the reason why Thursday is so big,

769
00:37:30,640 --> 00:37:33,799
Speaker 1: because it is live game action, show up, show up,

770
00:37:33,880 --> 00:37:36,799
Speaker 1: show it in a live game. But I was encouraged

771
00:37:36,840 --> 00:37:39,160
Speaker 1: by all, Right, now that he has time to throw,

772
00:37:39,840 --> 00:37:43,239
Speaker 1: we're seeing a little more of that true quarterbacking than

773
00:37:43,280 --> 00:37:46,520
Speaker 1: maybe we were seeing earlier in practice.

774
00:37:46,600 --> 00:37:49,279
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's totally fair about the hurry up. You have

775
00:37:49,320 --> 00:37:51,480
Speaker 2: to put some on the quarterback. The fact that it's

776
00:37:51,520 --> 00:37:53,239
Speaker 2: not even just that he's not moving the ball, he's

777
00:37:53,239 --> 00:37:54,160
Speaker 2: not completing a pass.

778
00:37:54,320 --> 00:37:57,160
Speaker 1: No, he's gone. He's it's like, oh for eight if

779
00:37:57,160 --> 00:37:59,560
Speaker 1: I remember, But it's not just oh fraight. He hasn't

780
00:37:59,760 --> 00:38:01,680
Speaker 1: fit fished with the score yet on a one or

781
00:38:01,719 --> 00:38:04,480
Speaker 1: two minute. But I think you said he's run eight

782
00:38:04,480 --> 00:38:07,160
Speaker 1: of them. I don't have the number in my head. Yeah,

783
00:38:07,200 --> 00:38:09,799
Speaker 1: how many first downs does he have? I don't He

784
00:38:09,880 --> 00:38:11,800
Speaker 1: might not have one over the last two practices.

785
00:38:11,800 --> 00:38:14,960
Speaker 2: I'm in that one last practice, I think he's literally

786
00:38:15,000 --> 00:38:16,680
Speaker 2: oh for eight in terms of pass attemps, I don't

787
00:38:16,680 --> 00:38:18,920
Speaker 2: think he's pass attimes. I don't think he's completed a

788
00:38:18,920 --> 00:38:19,359
Speaker 2: single paser.

789
00:38:19,440 --> 00:38:21,600
Speaker 1: I think going back, he might have because they've done

790
00:38:21,600 --> 00:38:23,440
Speaker 1: a few of these. They've probably about eight of them,

791
00:38:23,440 --> 00:38:25,799
Speaker 1: like that number sound or right. I remember he had

792
00:38:25,840 --> 00:38:28,680
Speaker 1: one where he picked up a first down but he

793
00:38:28,760 --> 00:38:31,440
Speaker 1: literally was third and long and they threw it in

794
00:38:31,480 --> 00:38:34,040
Speaker 1: the flat to Terrell Jennings and Jennings made a guy

795
00:38:34,080 --> 00:38:36,520
Speaker 1: miss and picked up the first down. Like yeah, it's

796
00:38:36,560 --> 00:38:38,279
Speaker 1: not even like, oh, you know, he's moving the ball,

797
00:38:38,320 --> 00:38:40,279
Speaker 1: but he's not scoring touchdowns or oh you know, they're

798
00:38:40,280 --> 00:38:43,360
Speaker 1: making competitive plays. He's not moving the ball in those situations.

799
00:38:43,440 --> 00:38:45,640
Speaker 1: That is my real concern right now. But that's also

800
00:38:45,760 --> 00:38:47,960
Speaker 1: Thursday night so big because if he does it Thursday night,

801
00:38:48,360 --> 00:38:50,480
Speaker 1: all right, well when the lights got brighter, he did it,

802
00:38:50,560 --> 00:38:51,600
Speaker 1: so whatever.

803
00:38:52,000 --> 00:38:54,640
Speaker 2: Yeah, we'll get to more individual players in the second

804
00:38:55,120 --> 00:38:58,040
Speaker 2: one thing and that you mentioned, and Paul has mentioned

805
00:38:58,040 --> 00:39:02,320
Speaker 2: this on Filtered as well, and I guess I probably

806
00:39:02,400 --> 00:39:05,000
Speaker 2: I know it sounds almost stupid, but like I don't

807
00:39:05,080 --> 00:39:08,440
Speaker 2: necessarily pay as much attention to it because what I

808
00:39:08,440 --> 00:39:11,360
Speaker 2: I'm more looking for is like perfect plays, right, Like

809
00:39:11,480 --> 00:39:14,759
Speaker 2: was that cleaned, that it executed properly, all that kind

810
00:39:14,800 --> 00:39:20,239
Speaker 2: of tent right, Yeah, but there's been a lot even

811
00:39:20,480 --> 00:39:22,560
Speaker 2: not just for Drake Maye what Jacobi were set to

812
00:39:22,719 --> 00:39:26,120
Speaker 2: of like the play clock, like getting to zero, the

813
00:39:26,160 --> 00:39:29,719
Speaker 2: snap not getting off, or like just like stuff in

814
00:39:29,760 --> 00:39:33,520
Speaker 2: between plays operational, Yeah, where it's like are they are

815
00:39:33,560 --> 00:39:36,000
Speaker 2: they getting in and out of the huddle fast enough?

816
00:39:36,120 --> 00:39:40,319
Speaker 2: Are they doing? And that kind of stuff tends to

817
00:39:40,440 --> 00:39:42,799
Speaker 2: and I know this kind of goes up your alley,

818
00:39:42,880 --> 00:39:44,640
Speaker 2: So that's why I'm bringing it up. That kind of

819
00:39:44,640 --> 00:39:47,919
Speaker 2: stuff with these types of West Coast and like these

820
00:39:48,000 --> 00:39:51,920
Speaker 2: these types of offensive coaches. I know this's gonna sound stupid,

821
00:39:52,280 --> 00:39:55,640
Speaker 2: but they like almost don't care in a practice, and

822
00:39:55,680 --> 00:39:59,040
Speaker 2: they they expect that this is the NFL. Yeah, when

823
00:39:59,040 --> 00:40:01,759
Speaker 2: we get into games, like you're gonna know how like

824
00:40:01,800 --> 00:40:03,960
Speaker 2: this is the NFL, Right, I don't have to baby

825
00:40:03,960 --> 00:40:08,480
Speaker 2: you through these. Whereas with Bill that was part of practice, right,

826
00:40:08,760 --> 00:40:11,520
Speaker 2: was this is a game. Treat it like a game.

827
00:40:11,920 --> 00:40:14,160
Speaker 2: If we don't get the playoff, I'm throwing the fake

828
00:40:14,239 --> 00:40:16,680
Speaker 2: flag and we're going five yards back for delay of game.

829
00:40:17,080 --> 00:40:20,680
Speaker 2: In these practices, they almost ignore the play clock. They

830
00:40:20,680 --> 00:40:21,400
Speaker 2: don't even look at it.

831
00:40:21,440 --> 00:40:23,000
Speaker 1: So that's why I said on the on the Drake

832
00:40:23,080 --> 00:40:27,520
Speaker 1: May one minute yesterday, the play clock was like well

833
00:40:27,560 --> 00:40:30,160
Speaker 1: out before the bad snap from AFY and they never

834
00:40:30,320 --> 00:40:31,239
Speaker 1: really acknowledged it.

835
00:40:31,800 --> 00:40:34,319
Speaker 2: They they don't care. And I don't know if that's

836
00:40:34,440 --> 00:40:36,919
Speaker 2: for the better or for the worse, Like we'll find out.

837
00:40:37,120 --> 00:40:39,600
Speaker 2: But my guess is if you went to some of

838
00:40:39,600 --> 00:40:43,600
Speaker 2: these other camps that have similar philosophies and coaching trees

839
00:40:43,640 --> 00:40:46,200
Speaker 2: and things like that, I don't know if they would care.

840
00:40:46,200 --> 00:40:48,399
Speaker 1: I mean, it's a it's a West Coast tree thing.

841
00:40:48,520 --> 00:40:51,400
Speaker 1: Game management's not important. Like that's why I brought it up.

842
00:40:51,760 --> 00:40:53,839
Speaker 2: Now i'd say that, hey, you're gonna get there, am

843
00:40:53,840 --> 00:40:55,720
Speaker 2: I ron No, That's why I've.

844
00:40:55,560 --> 00:40:58,000
Speaker 1: Been And you see now why I hear. It's easy

845
00:40:58,040 --> 00:41:00,360
Speaker 1: to say I'm over it's overblown when it's not the

846
00:41:00,400 --> 00:41:02,120
Speaker 1: team you're watching day in and day no.

847
00:41:02,200 --> 00:41:05,040
Speaker 2: Because you get into the games and we see this

848
00:41:05,120 --> 00:41:07,600
Speaker 2: on Sundays with some of these teams, and I'm this

849
00:41:07,719 --> 00:41:08,440
Speaker 2: is hot where it.

850
00:41:08,440 --> 00:41:10,320
Speaker 1: Might have Daniel in a playoff game can't get a

851
00:41:10,360 --> 00:41:14,800
Speaker 1: play calling correct, So like it does matter. I Brissett's

852
00:41:14,800 --> 00:41:16,760
Speaker 1: been better about it. The first few days of practice.

853
00:41:16,800 --> 00:41:19,480
Speaker 1: The top offense had some issues. They've been pre They

854
00:41:19,520 --> 00:41:21,440
Speaker 1: had one drop snap yesterday. It was in a rain.

855
00:41:21,840 --> 00:41:25,480
Speaker 1: It's David Andrews. I'm not gonna fret about that. With

856
00:41:25,600 --> 00:41:27,960
Speaker 1: Drake May's group, there's still some operational stuff. I would

857
00:41:27,960 --> 00:41:30,600
Speaker 1: hope if and when maybe comes the starter leading up

858
00:41:30,640 --> 00:41:32,440
Speaker 1: to that, even if it's like a week or two before,

859
00:41:32,440 --> 00:41:34,160
Speaker 1: if you know you're kind of on the precipice of

860
00:41:34,200 --> 00:41:37,680
Speaker 1: making that change, you drill that will they I don't know,

861
00:41:37,800 --> 00:41:38,920
Speaker 1: but no, you're right about that.

862
00:41:39,120 --> 00:41:42,280
Speaker 2: Yeah. It's it's funny because it manifests itself on Sundays

863
00:41:42,320 --> 00:41:46,719
Speaker 2: with these types of coaches, and I know, people on

864
00:41:46,760 --> 00:41:48,840
Speaker 2: your side of the street will say, oh, they're like,

865
00:41:48,880 --> 00:41:51,600
Speaker 2: they're no, their nose deep in the freaking play sheet

866
00:41:51,640 --> 00:41:53,960
Speaker 2: and they don't like or like watching the game or

867
00:41:53,960 --> 00:41:57,120
Speaker 2: feeling the game or whatever. Whereas Bill was always like

868
00:41:57,160 --> 00:42:00,840
Speaker 2: stoic on the sideline, you know, just kind of seeing everything.

869
00:42:01,160 --> 00:42:04,319
Speaker 1: Well, Mayo's not from that background. It is a little

870
00:42:04,320 --> 00:42:06,640
Speaker 1: surprising that Mayo and maybe if it does become an issue,

871
00:42:06,640 --> 00:42:09,359
Speaker 1: Mayo goes to Van Pelton says, you need to work

872
00:42:09,400 --> 00:42:11,319
Speaker 1: on this. I know you have your practice script, but

873
00:42:11,400 --> 00:42:15,440
Speaker 1: this that would be that'd be an interesting test for

874
00:42:15,480 --> 00:42:16,960
Speaker 1: Mayo as the first time head coach, Like, if it

875
00:42:16,960 --> 00:42:19,520
Speaker 1: does become a problem, does he go to Van Pelt,

876
00:42:19,560 --> 00:42:22,160
Speaker 1: who's just has more tenure as a coach, and say,

877
00:42:23,080 --> 00:42:25,480
Speaker 1: I'm the head coach of the team, this is unacceptable,

878
00:42:25,480 --> 00:42:28,080
Speaker 1: this is happening. You need a dedicate practice time to

879
00:42:28,080 --> 00:42:29,400
Speaker 1: fixing it. I would hope he would do that.

880
00:42:29,480 --> 00:42:33,520
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm still interested in that aspect of girod Mayo,

881
00:42:33,640 --> 00:42:37,400
Speaker 2: and also just in the aspect of he said that

882
00:42:37,440 --> 00:42:41,200
Speaker 2: he wants to be a floater. Yeah, in terms of

883
00:42:41,239 --> 00:42:43,279
Speaker 2: being a coach like Bill was, where you know, he's

884
00:42:43,280 --> 00:42:47,640
Speaker 2: popping around at different position groups and offense, defense, special teams, whatever.

885
00:42:48,200 --> 00:42:52,799
Speaker 2: H I wonder how, I wonder if he has the

886
00:42:52,840 --> 00:42:56,160
Speaker 2: acumen for it. I'm not trying to like get at

887
00:42:56,239 --> 00:42:58,200
Speaker 2: him for like football IQ or anything like that. He

888
00:42:58,239 --> 00:43:01,240
Speaker 2: obviously knows football. I'm just saying there's a big difference

889
00:43:01,239 --> 00:43:04,600
Speaker 2: when you're Bill Belichick and you're doing that and you

890
00:43:04,680 --> 00:43:08,799
Speaker 2: have what is it, fifty some odd years of information

891
00:43:09,200 --> 00:43:11,440
Speaker 2: you know, stowed away in the brain, and you've coached

892
00:43:11,840 --> 00:43:16,680
Speaker 2: multiple sides of the ball, special teams, defense, whatever, that

893
00:43:16,760 --> 00:43:19,160
Speaker 2: he can flow because he's Bill Belichick right like hel

894
00:43:19,440 --> 00:43:21,120
Speaker 2: and he can tell you all twenty two guys what

895
00:43:21,160 --> 00:43:24,800
Speaker 2: they did wrong on a play instantly. It's interesting to

896
00:43:24,840 --> 00:43:27,720
Speaker 2: approach for a first time head coach that's his youngest

897
00:43:27,800 --> 00:43:31,440
Speaker 2: girod because most of the guys in his school or

898
00:43:31,480 --> 00:43:33,920
Speaker 2: like that are in his situation and his shoes. They

899
00:43:33,920 --> 00:43:36,080
Speaker 2: would just coach their side of the ball, right like.

900
00:43:36,160 --> 00:43:39,480
Speaker 2: He's a defensive guy, so he would just coach the defense.

901
00:43:40,080 --> 00:43:42,920
Speaker 2: And Alex Van Pelt is an experienced offensive coordinator that

902
00:43:42,920 --> 00:43:45,279
Speaker 2: he's brought in, and so he would just let Alex

903
00:43:45,360 --> 00:43:49,600
Speaker 2: van pel coach the offense. I still don't know we're

904
00:43:50,239 --> 00:43:53,040
Speaker 2: fully in Bill mode yet, like maybe he's still doing

905
00:43:53,560 --> 00:43:56,320
Speaker 2: more of the defense than anything. But I'll be interested

906
00:43:56,320 --> 00:43:58,680
Speaker 2: to see once we get into the season how hands

907
00:43:58,680 --> 00:44:01,360
Speaker 2: on he is with the other phases. Is because you

908
00:44:01,520 --> 00:44:04,280
Speaker 2: just give you an example. You know, Demiko Ryans in Houston.

909
00:44:05,200 --> 00:44:09,120
Speaker 2: Demiko Ryans is calling the defense in Houston. He's literally

910
00:44:09,160 --> 00:44:11,359
Speaker 2: the play caller on game day on the defensive side

911
00:44:11,360 --> 00:44:15,840
Speaker 2: of the ball, and he doesn't necessarily touch the offense

912
00:44:15,960 --> 00:44:20,800
Speaker 2: as much. So we'll see what happens. It's it's officially

913
00:44:20,800 --> 00:44:23,560
Speaker 2: back the football season, which means it's back to school season, Alex,

914
00:44:23,600 --> 00:44:25,480
Speaker 2: and you can find everything you need to design your

915
00:44:25,520 --> 00:44:29,200
Speaker 2: dream dorm at Bob's Discount Furniture. Set up stylish study

916
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Speaker 2: spots with plenty of small space friendly seating, a plus

917
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Speaker 2: bedroom sets and of course smart storage made to maximize

918
00:44:36,239 --> 00:44:39,520
Speaker 2: your college HQ. So stop in and make the grade

919
00:44:39,760 --> 00:44:42,960
Speaker 2: with Bob's Discount Furniture, the official furniture store of the

920
00:44:43,000 --> 00:44:45,560
Speaker 2: New England Patriots. Just take some calls and emails and

921
00:44:45,600 --> 00:44:47,000
Speaker 2: then we'll get to it. We're gonna do three up,

922
00:44:47,000 --> 00:44:49,680
Speaker 2: three down again from the last week or so of camp.

923
00:44:49,880 --> 00:44:51,759
Speaker 2: But Patty is an agua. What's up?

924
00:44:51,760 --> 00:44:58,280
Speaker 4: Patty?

925
00:44:59,520 --> 00:45:00,000
Speaker 3: Take you?

926
00:45:00,640 --> 00:45:04,959
Speaker 5: So, just regarding Drake, by tomorrow night, I'm not gonna

927
00:45:04,960 --> 00:45:06,680
Speaker 5: be able to see the game because I got to

928
00:45:06,760 --> 00:45:10,240
Speaker 5: drive to port Chester, New York for Magawam for five am.

929
00:45:11,320 --> 00:45:14,200
Speaker 5: But I'm recording it. But do you think do you

930
00:45:14,200 --> 00:45:17,400
Speaker 5: think their philosophy is just going to be like, you know,

931
00:45:17,520 --> 00:45:19,719
Speaker 5: just don't hesitate if you see something or if you're

932
00:45:19,760 --> 00:45:23,160
Speaker 5: anticipating something, just let her rip, you know, trying you know,

933
00:45:24,040 --> 00:45:27,719
Speaker 5: don't overthink it, don't have some fun, but just you know,

934
00:45:28,040 --> 00:45:30,120
Speaker 5: do what they're doing. Try and play in structure, and

935
00:45:30,760 --> 00:45:34,000
Speaker 5: like I said, don't hesitate if you if you see

936
00:45:34,000 --> 00:45:37,440
Speaker 5: something or anticipate something, make it happen. I'll take it

937
00:45:37,440 --> 00:45:39,680
Speaker 5: off here, guys. That's always you guys are the best.

938
00:45:39,840 --> 00:45:43,800
Speaker 2: Thanks, Patty, appreciate it. Yeah, I I hope and I

939
00:45:44,120 --> 00:45:46,319
Speaker 2: feel like based off of talking to the quarterbacks that

940
00:45:46,320 --> 00:45:48,280
Speaker 2: that's sort of the mindset even in practice.

941
00:45:48,600 --> 00:45:48,799
Speaker 1: Yeah.

942
00:45:49,360 --> 00:45:52,200
Speaker 2: I think it was Joe Milton actually who said the

943
00:45:52,239 --> 00:45:56,640
Speaker 2: other day, if you're thinking about making a mistake, you're

944
00:45:56,680 --> 00:45:59,160
Speaker 2: gonna make a mistake. It's when you just play loose

945
00:45:59,200 --> 00:46:02,239
Speaker 2: and play free you don't make mistakes. So I would

946
00:46:02,280 --> 00:46:05,160
Speaker 2: expect that that's exactly where they're gonna have Drake May

947
00:46:05,239 --> 00:46:07,840
Speaker 2: going into this game is don't think about it. Just

948
00:46:07,920 --> 00:46:09,759
Speaker 2: let it rip, you know, if you see it, let

949
00:46:09,760 --> 00:46:11,960
Speaker 2: it rip, you know, Like it doesn't need to be

950
00:46:12,440 --> 00:46:16,480
Speaker 2: any deeper than that. I expect him to take his

951
00:46:16,600 --> 00:46:19,040
Speaker 2: chances and you're not risk right, you know what I mean.

952
00:46:19,280 --> 00:46:22,839
Speaker 1: I would hope that they just tell him to take

953
00:46:22,880 --> 00:46:24,759
Speaker 1: the same approach he would for a game, like a

954
00:46:24,800 --> 00:46:27,719
Speaker 1: regular season game, practice how you play. He should have

955
00:46:27,719 --> 00:46:30,000
Speaker 1: the same approach and practice that he does in preseason

956
00:46:30,040 --> 00:46:32,279
Speaker 1: games that does in regular season games. Yeah, this's just

957
00:46:32,320 --> 00:46:36,040
Speaker 1: if you start overthinking it, then bad things happen. Yeah,

958
00:46:36,680 --> 00:46:39,600
Speaker 1: I agree, all right, along these lines that are on that,

959
00:46:39,600 --> 00:46:40,920
Speaker 1: how much you think he's gonna play.

960
00:46:40,920 --> 00:46:44,320
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's a good place just put that in. I

961
00:46:44,400 --> 00:46:48,520
Speaker 2: would expect it depends on how Girod said to Jacoby

962
00:46:48,560 --> 00:46:50,680
Speaker 2: Brissett's gonna start. So I'm just gonna take him at

963
00:46:50,719 --> 00:46:53,759
Speaker 2: his work. If Jacoby Brissett starts, then obviously a lot

964
00:46:53,800 --> 00:46:56,400
Speaker 2: depends on how that first drive and they go three

965
00:46:56,480 --> 00:46:58,200
Speaker 2: and out and they want him to get some work in,

966
00:46:58,320 --> 00:46:59,840
Speaker 2: then that's not gonna do it right. You're gonna have

967
00:46:59,840 --> 00:47:01,279
Speaker 2: to say and then back out there, and then you're

968
00:47:01,520 --> 00:47:03,680
Speaker 2: starting to get into like real game time and all

969
00:47:03,719 --> 00:47:06,120
Speaker 2: that kind of stuff. My guess is that they'll have

970
00:47:06,160 --> 00:47:09,320
Speaker 2: a certain set number of drives that they would like

971
00:47:09,400 --> 00:47:13,080
Speaker 2: Drake May to play. Whether that spans into the second

972
00:47:13,080 --> 00:47:15,400
Speaker 2: half or not will be determined on how long the

973
00:47:15,480 --> 00:47:18,000
Speaker 2: drives are and all that kind of stuff. I expect

974
00:47:18,080 --> 00:47:21,160
Speaker 2: him to play the equivalent of probably at least a

975
00:47:21,239 --> 00:47:23,200
Speaker 2: quarter and a half, if not the whole a whole

976
00:47:23,239 --> 00:47:27,160
Speaker 2: half of football, especially if they're planning on him not

977
00:47:27,239 --> 00:47:29,719
Speaker 2: playing early in the year, which is I still think

978
00:47:29,760 --> 00:47:33,000
Speaker 2: the plan for them, then this is the this is

979
00:47:33,000 --> 00:47:36,400
Speaker 2: his opportunity to get game reps. So if they're not

980
00:47:36,440 --> 00:47:39,280
Speaker 2: going to play him until Halloween or Thanksgiving or something

981
00:47:39,360 --> 00:47:41,799
Speaker 2: like that in the regular season, now's the time. Like

982
00:47:41,840 --> 00:47:43,440
Speaker 2: he's not going to get any better reps than this.

983
00:47:44,160 --> 00:47:46,480
Speaker 2: So I'd expect him to play a good chunk of

984
00:47:46,480 --> 00:47:50,719
Speaker 2: this game. I'd say conservatively a quarter and a half equivalent,

985
00:47:50,800 --> 00:47:52,160
Speaker 2: but maybe even two full quarters.

986
00:47:52,320 --> 00:47:56,319
Speaker 1: So I think two maximum three drives for Brissette, So

987
00:47:56,440 --> 00:47:58,680
Speaker 1: that puts may in late in the first quarter, start

988
00:47:58,719 --> 00:48:00,719
Speaker 1: a second quarter. Yeah, I think he plays the whole

989
00:48:00,719 --> 00:48:03,960
Speaker 1: second quarter. There is this is where and so I

990
00:48:04,280 --> 00:48:07,279
Speaker 1: some of this may be decided on the fly. There

991
00:48:07,360 --> 00:48:10,640
Speaker 1: is value and Bill used to talk about this and having

992
00:48:10,680 --> 00:48:14,400
Speaker 1: the quarterback, young quarterback go in a halftime meet with

993
00:48:14,440 --> 00:48:17,160
Speaker 1: the coaches, go over adjustments, go out for the first

994
00:48:17,200 --> 00:48:19,440
Speaker 1: drive of the third quarter, maybe the second drive, execute

995
00:48:19,480 --> 00:48:25,160
Speaker 1: those adjustments. That's a valuable exercise. But if they can't

996
00:48:25,200 --> 00:48:30,040
Speaker 1: protect him, maybe he gets the hook after the second quarter.

997
00:48:30,160 --> 00:48:32,680
Speaker 1: And I do think that's gonna be a factor because

998
00:48:32,760 --> 00:48:35,400
Speaker 1: it could get ugly up front, like they're gonna have

999
00:48:35,719 --> 00:48:37,480
Speaker 1: any of the starters gonna play in this game. I

1000
00:48:37,520 --> 00:48:40,239
Speaker 1: know Mayo said everybody healthy enough to practice will play,

1001
00:48:40,320 --> 00:48:44,360
Speaker 1: but City so miss practice yesterday. Troops Corps four has

1002
00:48:44,360 --> 00:48:47,399
Speaker 1: missed the last what four practices? David Andrews, I don't

1003
00:48:47,400 --> 00:48:49,000
Speaker 1: think is gonna play, even though he practiced a little

1004
00:48:49,000 --> 00:48:52,879
Speaker 1: bit yesterday. We don't even know really who the starting

1005
00:48:52,960 --> 00:48:54,919
Speaker 1: left tackle is. You don't have a true starter there.

1006
00:48:55,640 --> 00:48:58,160
Speaker 1: That leaves Mike Gonino. Who's your best lineman? Does he

1007
00:48:58,200 --> 00:48:59,520
Speaker 1: play and how much does he play?

1008
00:49:00,080 --> 00:49:02,920
Speaker 2: So I don't expect My guess is that some of

1009
00:49:02,960 --> 00:49:07,760
Speaker 2: those guys, those veteran Yeah, David Andrews, Hunter, Henry, Mike Onwenu.

1010
00:49:08,480 --> 00:49:10,239
Speaker 2: I don't expect to see those guys.

1011
00:49:10,239 --> 00:49:13,680
Speaker 1: So, right, So do they have Are they gonna be

1012
00:49:13,719 --> 00:49:16,399
Speaker 1: able to protect Drake may Because if they can't and

1013
00:49:16,480 --> 00:49:18,239
Speaker 1: he's take he's getting the crapp eat out of him.

1014
00:49:18,960 --> 00:49:21,120
Speaker 1: You can't leave him in the game, right, you can't.

1015
00:49:21,239 --> 00:49:23,279
Speaker 1: So I think that's going to dictate part of it.

1016
00:49:23,280 --> 00:49:25,120
Speaker 1: But I think he definitely gets the whole second quarters.

1017
00:49:25,160 --> 00:49:27,080
Speaker 1: Just do they let him make the turn going into

1018
00:49:27,120 --> 00:49:29,640
Speaker 1: the second half? Yeah, I bet if they win the

1019
00:49:29,640 --> 00:49:31,359
Speaker 1: coin toss, they're going to kick for that exact reason.

1020
00:49:31,400 --> 00:49:32,560
Speaker 1: So they can just put him in the game, get

1021
00:49:32,600 --> 00:49:33,640
Speaker 1: him out at halftime.

1022
00:49:33,719 --> 00:49:37,560
Speaker 2: Oh that's interesting, Okay, all right, I like it. All right,

1023
00:49:37,640 --> 00:49:45,680
Speaker 2: Dylan is in Tennessee. What's up, Dylan, Dylan, Dylan's up, Dylan.

1024
00:49:47,000 --> 00:49:48,560
Speaker 2: All right, give us a call back, Dylan, and we'll

1025
00:49:48,600 --> 00:49:50,600
Speaker 2: get you on the air. A couple of emails here

1026
00:49:50,640 --> 00:49:54,000
Speaker 2: that we have. Most of these are just uh, you know,

1027
00:49:55,239 --> 00:50:00,880
Speaker 2: post mortem Brandon Nyuk stuff. Yeah, but you know a

1028
00:50:00,960 --> 00:50:03,640
Speaker 2: lot of people asking about the same things that we're

1029
00:50:03,719 --> 00:50:06,160
Speaker 2: kind of saying in terms of that they need to

1030
00:50:06,200 --> 00:50:10,280
Speaker 2: be more desirable destination, YadA, YadA, YadA. One about Ceedee Lamb,

1031
00:50:10,360 --> 00:50:12,360
Speaker 2: we like really a little we touch on that a

1032
00:50:12,360 --> 00:50:16,000
Speaker 2: little bit. I kind of viewed and maybe this is wrong,

1033
00:50:16,040 --> 00:50:18,400
Speaker 2: and maybe there's there's precedent that I'm not thinking about,

1034
00:50:19,040 --> 00:50:21,799
Speaker 2: but I sort of view the Jerry Jones Cowboys kind

1035
00:50:21,800 --> 00:50:23,400
Speaker 2: of like I view the Yankees, where like, when you

1036
00:50:23,400 --> 00:50:26,520
Speaker 2: have a player of Ceedee Lamb's caliber, Michael Parsons's caliber,

1037
00:50:26,800 --> 00:50:28,680
Speaker 2: like Jerry Jones, doesn't let those guys get out of there.

1038
00:50:28,800 --> 00:50:31,839
Speaker 2: So you say that, but but they haven't signed Dak.

1039
00:50:32,160 --> 00:50:34,520
Speaker 1: They haven't signed that. They've been acting more like one

1040
00:50:34,520 --> 00:50:36,399
Speaker 1: of those big market teams. That's not a big market team.

1041
00:50:36,400 --> 00:50:39,560
Speaker 1: Remember they they promised big splashes at the start of

1042
00:50:39,600 --> 00:50:41,920
Speaker 1: the off season and then proceeded to sign nobody. And

1043
00:50:41,960 --> 00:50:44,080
Speaker 1: it's not just about not wanting to bring him back.

1044
00:50:44,520 --> 00:50:47,759
Speaker 1: They haven't signed Dak and that's starting to get contentious.

1045
00:50:48,239 --> 00:50:50,239
Speaker 1: I think they also have to pay what is sign

1046
00:50:50,280 --> 00:50:53,120
Speaker 1: Michael Parsons. Yeah, is almost up too, right.

1047
00:50:53,880 --> 00:50:57,240
Speaker 2: If he isn't, So he's it's.

1048
00:50:56,400 --> 00:50:58,719
Speaker 1: His extension year. Next year he'll be going.

1049
00:50:58,880 --> 00:51:01,719
Speaker 2: He was a twenty twenty one Halft pick, which means

1050
00:51:01,760 --> 00:51:05,240
Speaker 2: that he's going into year five ye or year four.

1051
00:51:05,560 --> 00:51:08,080
Speaker 1: So his his fifth year option will be next year.

1052
00:51:08,160 --> 00:51:11,960
Speaker 2: Correct, So he's a year away, but he's he's extension eligible.

1053
00:51:12,200 --> 00:51:17,279
Speaker 1: Yeah, and uh yeah, So here's the thing. He can say,

1054
00:51:17,280 --> 00:51:19,480
Speaker 1: He's gonna pay him eventually all he wants. And this

1055
00:51:19,520 --> 00:51:21,319
Speaker 1: is some of what I think happened with AU. There's

1056
00:51:21,320 --> 00:51:24,240
Speaker 1: other factors that play here, But yeah, how long seeding

1057
00:51:24,320 --> 00:51:27,000
Speaker 1: lamb gonna sit there and hear that how they're seed?

1058
00:51:27,080 --> 00:51:29,480
Speaker 1: How long is seeding lamb gonna sit there and say, yeah, okay,

1059
00:51:29,800 --> 00:51:32,239
Speaker 1: you're gonna pay me, Sure, I'll wait, Or does he

1060
00:51:32,280 --> 00:51:34,160
Speaker 1: get fed up and say, you know what I'm not

1061
00:51:34,200 --> 00:51:36,800
Speaker 1: listening to you anymore. You've negotiated with me in bad faith.

1062
00:51:37,800 --> 00:51:40,480
Speaker 1: I don't Jerry Jones is the kind of guy that

1063
00:51:40,520 --> 00:51:43,359
Speaker 1: will open up the checkbook. Yes, he's also the kind

1064
00:51:43,360 --> 00:51:45,680
Speaker 1: of guy that could aggravate a player to the point

1065
00:51:45,680 --> 00:51:47,640
Speaker 1: where runs him out of town before he gets to

1066
00:51:47,680 --> 00:51:48,560
Speaker 1: opening the checkbook.

1067
00:51:48,800 --> 00:51:51,040
Speaker 2: I guess that's fair. I just look at Ceedee Lamb.

1068
00:51:51,719 --> 00:51:54,160
Speaker 2: I'll just use a current Yankee comparison. Yeah, it would

1069
00:51:54,160 --> 00:51:56,120
Speaker 2: be like if the Yankees let Aaron Judge walk. They

1070
00:51:56,120 --> 00:51:58,840
Speaker 2: almost did, and they almost did, but they didn't. Right, Like,

1071
00:51:59,239 --> 00:52:03,360
Speaker 2: they almost did but they didn't, And our whole lifetime,

1072
00:52:03,400 --> 00:52:06,120
Speaker 2: that's been the Yankees, right. Derek Jeter never left the Yankees,

1073
00:52:06,160 --> 00:52:08,839
Speaker 2: Mo Rivera never left you, and it was we never

1074
00:52:08,880 --> 00:52:10,400
Speaker 2: even talked about it as a possibility.

1075
00:52:10,440 --> 00:52:12,359
Speaker 1: It doesn't happen till it does. I'll say it again.

1076
00:52:12,600 --> 00:52:14,400
Speaker 2: I don't know. I just look at the cow I

1077
00:52:14,719 --> 00:52:16,960
Speaker 2: can't imagine the Cowboys.

1078
00:52:17,080 --> 00:52:23,200
Speaker 1: I would also arrange just again to see is Seede

1079
00:52:23,239 --> 00:52:25,759
Speaker 1: Lamb gonna be patient? Is Ceede Lamb gonna be patient?

1080
00:52:25,800 --> 00:52:26,919
Speaker 1: Or is he going to get to the point where

1081
00:52:26,960 --> 00:52:29,000
Speaker 1: he says, you know what I can get thirty five

1082
00:52:29,040 --> 00:52:31,520
Speaker 1: million dollars a year from thirty one other NFL teams.

1083
00:52:31,840 --> 00:52:34,520
Speaker 1: You don't want to pay me, fine, we're done here,

1084
00:52:35,360 --> 00:52:35,719
Speaker 1: move me.

1085
00:52:36,400 --> 00:52:38,000
Speaker 2: So here's uh comedy play.

1086
00:52:38,080 --> 00:52:40,240
Speaker 1: How many players the Niners like get away over the years,

1087
00:52:41,400 --> 00:52:43,960
Speaker 1: like in their prime? I know Jerry Rice left like, yeah.

1088
00:52:43,840 --> 00:52:47,440
Speaker 2: But not many? Not many? Connor and uh uh has

1089
00:52:47,480 --> 00:52:49,799
Speaker 2: a proposal for cd VAM you want to hear it? Yeah,

1090
00:52:49,840 --> 00:52:52,560
Speaker 2: it's interesting one actually all right? Uh first round pick

1091
00:52:52,560 --> 00:52:57,359
Speaker 2: swap okay with Dallas, So yeah, you could do that. Yeah,

1092
00:52:57,719 --> 00:53:01,399
Speaker 2: second round pick a future third round pick. So I'm

1093
00:53:01,440 --> 00:53:03,279
Speaker 2: assuming this is like the first round pick swap in

1094
00:53:03,320 --> 00:53:06,480
Speaker 2: twenty five, second round pick in twenty five. Maybe you're

1095
00:53:06,480 --> 00:53:09,720
Speaker 2: a twenty twenty six third round pick and either Matthew

1096
00:53:09,800 --> 00:53:11,040
Speaker 2: Judon or Kendrick Bord.

1097
00:53:11,520 --> 00:53:14,439
Speaker 1: Well, I mean, I'd probably get it done. But isn't

1098
00:53:14,440 --> 00:53:17,880
Speaker 1: the the price is gonna be set by the Ayuk move. Well,

1099
00:53:17,880 --> 00:53:20,080
Speaker 1: he's a better player than Ayuk, right, but it's gonna

1100
00:53:20,080 --> 00:53:22,560
Speaker 1: be relatively set going from a second round pick to

1101
00:53:22,600 --> 00:53:24,879
Speaker 1: a first round all right. And by the way, when

1102
00:53:24,880 --> 00:53:26,520
Speaker 1: I talk about ceedee Lamb and we'll get to some

1103
00:53:26,520 --> 00:53:28,000
Speaker 1: of the other guys, like I don't mean doing that

1104
00:53:28,160 --> 00:53:30,080
Speaker 1: now I'm talking about in the spring.

1105
00:53:30,320 --> 00:53:32,719
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, we're definitely talking about it in

1106
00:53:32,719 --> 00:53:33,200
Speaker 2: the spring here.

1107
00:53:33,280 --> 00:53:38,080
Speaker 1: Yeah, first round pick swaps interesting. I'd probably rather give

1108
00:53:38,160 --> 00:53:40,480
Speaker 1: up the second outright than do the first round pickswap.

1109
00:53:40,800 --> 00:53:43,560
Speaker 2: Well, you are also giving up the second, yeah, I

1110
00:53:43,640 --> 00:53:44,719
Speaker 2: just in this propose.

1111
00:53:44,520 --> 00:53:47,480
Speaker 1: I don't think he's gonna cost that much more than you.

1112
00:53:47,520 --> 00:53:48,879
Speaker 1: I don't think you need to give up that much.

1113
00:53:48,920 --> 00:53:50,759
Speaker 1: I think it might be he's gonna cost more. But

1114
00:53:50,840 --> 00:53:54,880
Speaker 1: is it a second and next to your second in

1115
00:53:55,000 --> 00:53:56,120
Speaker 1: a YUK or something like that.

1116
00:53:56,200 --> 00:53:58,239
Speaker 2: I'm interested to see where the market goes with these

1117
00:53:58,280 --> 00:54:03,760
Speaker 2: receiver trades because is, on the one hand, they're extremely

1118
00:54:03,840 --> 00:54:06,120
Speaker 2: valuable commodities in the league. Now we know that they're

1119
00:54:06,120 --> 00:54:09,560
Speaker 2: getting paid like it, they perform, they produce like it

1120
00:54:09,640 --> 00:54:13,160
Speaker 2: they are. Now, you could make a case, and I

1121
00:54:13,160 --> 00:54:14,799
Speaker 2: don't know if I would, but you could make a

1122
00:54:14,840 --> 00:54:18,279
Speaker 2: case of the second most important position in football. But

1123
00:54:18,400 --> 00:54:20,680
Speaker 2: there's obviously quarterbacks number one, right.

1124
00:54:20,760 --> 00:54:22,600
Speaker 1: But there's so many of them.

1125
00:54:22,800 --> 00:54:25,080
Speaker 2: So that's my point. There are so many of them,

1126
00:54:25,640 --> 00:54:30,640
Speaker 2: and now it's also at a point where good talent

1127
00:54:30,680 --> 00:54:35,120
Speaker 2: evaluating teams can draft them, right, and so at what

1128
00:54:35,320 --> 00:54:38,000
Speaker 2: point and maybe we'll see it with you know, Brandon

1129
00:54:38,000 --> 00:54:40,080
Speaker 2: and Yuk. I think is the reason why I wouldn't

1130
00:54:40,080 --> 00:54:42,439
Speaker 2: say it's comparable is because at the time of year,

1131
00:54:42,800 --> 00:54:45,520
Speaker 2: because if the if the Cowboys trade Ceedee Lamb, they're

1132
00:54:45,520 --> 00:54:47,960
Speaker 2: going to trade them in March, which is when his

1133
00:54:49,000 --> 00:54:49,719
Speaker 2: stock is going to be.

1134
00:54:49,719 --> 00:54:51,560
Speaker 1: The Maybe it's the Dick's trade. Maybe it's a first

1135
00:54:51,600 --> 00:54:53,120
Speaker 1: round pick out right for Ceedee Lamb.

1136
00:54:53,280 --> 00:54:58,359
Speaker 2: Yeah, Like I agree that this Hall would easily get

1137
00:54:58,360 --> 00:54:58,680
Speaker 2: it done.

1138
00:54:58,719 --> 00:55:00,560
Speaker 1: Probably, Yeah, you don't need to give up them.

1139
00:55:00,600 --> 00:55:01,879
Speaker 2: I don't know if you need to give up that much.

1140
00:55:01,920 --> 00:55:04,920
Speaker 1: I don't think you do either. And there's less of

1141
00:55:05,000 --> 00:55:06,759
Speaker 1: these there's only so many teams that can give out

1142
00:55:06,800 --> 00:55:08,960
Speaker 1: these contracts. Yeah, and there's less and less of them,

1143
00:55:09,000 --> 00:55:10,799
Speaker 1: and they'll be more in March than there are right now.

1144
00:55:10,840 --> 00:55:13,520
Speaker 2: But like, like if the if you're just an example

1145
00:55:13,560 --> 00:55:16,240
Speaker 2: from this past draft, and I get that this draft

1146
00:55:16,360 --> 00:55:19,080
Speaker 2: was unique at receiver still even yeah, like this was

1147
00:55:19,120 --> 00:55:23,560
Speaker 2: a great top of the receiver class. My guess is,

1148
00:55:23,600 --> 00:55:26,160
Speaker 2: and I haven't obviously done deep dives into Burden and

1149
00:55:26,160 --> 00:55:29,040
Speaker 2: Tech McMillan and those guys, but I don't I can't

1150
00:55:29,040 --> 00:55:31,480
Speaker 2: imagine that I'm going to have them higher than neighbors

1151
00:55:31,480 --> 00:55:35,040
Speaker 2: of Dunes, say and Marvin Harrison. I just I can't but.

1152
00:55:35,239 --> 00:55:40,879
Speaker 1: They're like a half step below burden. Is McMillan's such

1153
00:55:40,880 --> 00:55:41,640
Speaker 1: an unknown still?

1154
00:55:41,880 --> 00:55:43,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, it just it's hard for me to fathom.

1155
00:55:44,040 --> 00:55:46,440
Speaker 1: How far was your gap? Because I get I look

1156
00:55:46,480 --> 00:55:48,839
Speaker 1: at like Zay Flowers and Xavi You're worthy. Yeah, how

1157
00:55:48,880 --> 00:55:51,200
Speaker 1: far is the gap between them and neighbors to you?

1158
00:55:51,880 --> 00:55:52,160
Speaker 2: Big?

1159
00:55:52,600 --> 00:55:54,520
Speaker 1: Well, he's like a better version. I think of those

1160
00:55:54,800 --> 00:55:55,799
Speaker 1: like a slightly better version.

1161
00:55:55,880 --> 00:55:58,320
Speaker 2: Yeah, neighbors. Neighbors to me would have been.

1162
00:55:58,200 --> 00:56:00,600
Speaker 1: You had neighbors up there with Harrison too, you had, Yeah.

1163
00:56:00,480 --> 00:56:04,200
Speaker 2: It was it was close. Yeah, it was closer than

1164
00:56:04,239 --> 00:56:07,719
Speaker 2: other people had. I don't even know if that's true.

1165
00:56:07,800 --> 00:56:12,000
Speaker 2: Like I feel like neighbors. By the end, people were

1166
00:56:12,880 --> 00:56:15,040
Speaker 2: we were all pretty in lockstep. That all three of

1167
00:56:15,080 --> 00:56:17,400
Speaker 2: those guys were elite blue chip prospects.

1168
00:56:17,520 --> 00:56:18,960
Speaker 1: I think that was people just needed something to talk

1169
00:56:19,000 --> 00:56:20,080
Speaker 1: about more than anything else.

1170
00:56:20,239 --> 00:56:22,080
Speaker 2: I don't think he was a better prospect than Marvin

1171
00:56:22,080 --> 00:56:26,440
Speaker 2: Harrison Junior. But if any giants in camp is any indication,

1172
00:56:26,560 --> 00:56:31,360
Speaker 2: my goodness, but he's He's would be the wide receiver

1173
00:56:31,400 --> 00:56:32,440
Speaker 2: one in pretty much any other one.

1174
00:56:32,480 --> 00:56:34,759
Speaker 1: Yeah, all right, but but but look, the point being like,

1175
00:56:35,760 --> 00:56:37,760
Speaker 1: it's it's supplying demand.

1176
00:56:37,880 --> 00:56:40,360
Speaker 2: There's gonna be receivers in the every draft. There is

1177
00:56:40,520 --> 00:56:41,920
Speaker 2: more every draft is gonna happen.

1178
00:56:41,840 --> 00:56:44,200
Speaker 1: And and there's gonna be guys who want new contracts

1179
00:56:44,239 --> 00:56:46,640
Speaker 1: every year who the teams won't pay. There's there's more

1180
00:56:46,680 --> 00:56:49,240
Speaker 1: supply than there is demand for wide receivers. That doesn't

1181
00:56:49,520 --> 00:56:52,120
Speaker 1: it can change, but doesn't look like it's changing anytime soon.

1182
00:56:52,400 --> 00:56:55,520
Speaker 2: Yep, all right, Rodney is in Delaware. What's up? Rodney?

1183
00:56:56,480 --> 00:56:59,640
Speaker 6: Hey guys, Hey, but I was trying to wonder, how

1184
00:56:59,640 --> 00:57:01,719
Speaker 6: do you got a little a post trade for other

1185
00:57:02,480 --> 00:57:05,960
Speaker 6: Orlando Brown from the Bengals since they just drafted Amarius

1186
00:57:06,080 --> 00:57:09,040
Speaker 6: Men's and they also have Trent Brown or possibly a

1187
00:57:09,120 --> 00:57:10,120
Speaker 6: Trimp Williams trade.

1188
00:57:11,400 --> 00:57:15,640
Speaker 2: Yeah, thanks for the call of Rodney. So I put

1189
00:57:15,680 --> 00:57:17,400
Speaker 2: this out on Twitter for the show. So I'm glad

1190
00:57:17,400 --> 00:57:20,880
Speaker 2: he brought up Trent Williams. The other conversation or the

1191
00:57:20,920 --> 00:57:24,440
Speaker 2: other sort of rebuttal to the Brandon Ayuk situation I

1192
00:57:24,760 --> 00:57:27,520
Speaker 2: keep hearing is that the left tackle is a bigger

1193
00:57:27,560 --> 00:57:31,440
Speaker 2: need than receiver, and I get it to an extent

1194
00:57:31,480 --> 00:57:34,640
Speaker 2: because they just drafted two receivers. Everybody feels pretty good

1195
00:57:34,680 --> 00:57:37,520
Speaker 2: about Baker and Polk, like, maybe those guys are enough

1196
00:57:38,400 --> 00:57:41,040
Speaker 2: at least for now. Maybe they're enough. Maybe they are

1197
00:57:41,160 --> 00:57:43,760
Speaker 2: Nico Collins in Tank Dell right like, maybe they're they're

1198
00:57:43,880 --> 00:57:49,360
Speaker 2: enough for now. Whereas left tackle, we both I think

1199
00:57:49,400 --> 00:57:52,480
Speaker 2: agree with this. Vederian Low cannot be your starting left

1200
00:57:52,480 --> 00:57:55,760
Speaker 2: tackle in Week one. They're in trouble. But they're in trouble. Yeah,

1201
00:57:55,960 --> 00:57:58,160
Speaker 2: that's the case. So I get it. It's a bigger need,

1202
00:57:58,240 --> 00:58:00,880
Speaker 2: but you can't. It's it's not mad, and you can't

1203
00:58:00,880 --> 00:58:02,480
Speaker 2: just create a player out of thin air and make

1204
00:58:02,520 --> 00:58:06,400
Speaker 2: him available via trade. If Trent Williams was available via trade,

1205
00:58:06,400 --> 00:58:08,360
Speaker 2: I think the Patriots would be calling him the forty

1206
00:58:08,400 --> 00:58:10,240
Speaker 2: nine ers, just like they did with Brandon Nyuk.

1207
00:58:11,000 --> 00:58:13,560
Speaker 1: So part of the reason the Niners are trading Brandon

1208
00:58:13,600 --> 00:58:15,400
Speaker 1: Ayuk is because they want to get in a position

1209
00:58:15,440 --> 00:58:16,400
Speaker 1: to pay Trent Williams.

1210
00:58:16,440 --> 00:58:19,800
Speaker 2: Yeah, he's in a tier of his own right now

1211
00:58:19,920 --> 00:58:22,000
Speaker 2: at left tackle. He's the best left tackle in football,

1212
00:58:22,080 --> 00:58:24,920
Speaker 2: and I think he's in like a tier an s

1213
00:58:24,960 --> 00:58:28,320
Speaker 2: tier by himself right now. So if he was available

1214
00:58:28,400 --> 00:58:32,680
Speaker 2: via trade, the aggressiveness at the Patriots showed for Brandon

1215
00:58:32,720 --> 00:58:35,560
Speaker 2: Nyuk would be the same level of aggressiveness for Trent Williams.

1216
00:58:35,800 --> 00:58:40,080
Speaker 2: He's not available. I don't think he's not available. Orlando

1217
00:58:40,120 --> 00:58:46,240
Speaker 2: Brown interesting name if I'm the Bengals, though, one Amirius

1218
00:58:46,240 --> 00:58:49,600
Speaker 2: Mims is extremely raw. He barely played in college and

1219
00:58:49,800 --> 00:58:52,680
Speaker 2: I what like eleven career star's twelve career starts or

1220
00:58:52,720 --> 00:58:57,520
Speaker 2: something like that at Georgia got hurt last year, Very

1221
00:58:57,640 --> 00:59:02,240
Speaker 2: very raw, raw player. And we we know all about

1222
00:59:02,240 --> 00:59:04,360
Speaker 2: Trent Brown and that experience.

1223
00:59:04,440 --> 00:59:07,480
Speaker 1: He just passes physically two days ago.

1224
00:59:07,560 --> 00:59:10,320
Speaker 2: We know all about it. Right, So the combination of

1225
00:59:10,360 --> 00:59:12,360
Speaker 2: those two factors, a Orlando Brown is still the best

1226
00:59:12,360 --> 00:59:15,760
Speaker 2: tackle they have on that team until further notice, until

1227
00:59:15,840 --> 00:59:21,040
Speaker 2: Marius Mims realizes his potential. If you're the Bengals, you're

1228
00:59:21,040 --> 00:59:23,439
Speaker 2: in a win now mode with Joe Burrow. You don't

1229
00:59:23,440 --> 00:59:26,560
Speaker 2: know what t Higgins's future is. This is probably your

1230
00:59:26,600 --> 00:59:28,400
Speaker 2: best year to push the chips all in the middle

1231
00:59:28,440 --> 00:59:31,760
Speaker 2: of the table. I would be I would doubt that

1232
00:59:31,800 --> 00:59:33,320
Speaker 2: they would want to move on from a guy like

1233
00:59:33,680 --> 00:59:37,360
Speaker 2: Orlando Brown right now. He's their one known commodity.

1234
00:59:38,280 --> 00:59:39,040
Speaker 1: Yeah, you can't.

1235
00:59:39,160 --> 00:59:41,320
Speaker 2: You can't count on Trent Brown. We've been down that

1236
00:59:41,400 --> 00:59:44,320
Speaker 2: road here before. You can't count on them. So that's

1237
00:59:44,360 --> 00:59:49,560
Speaker 2: my two cents on that bigger picture. Name the tackle. Like,

1238
00:59:49,600 --> 00:59:51,360
Speaker 2: if you if you are sitting out there and you're

1239
00:59:51,400 --> 00:59:55,240
Speaker 2: saying tackles a bigger need than wide receiver, why aren't

1240
00:59:55,240 --> 00:59:58,720
Speaker 2: they pursuing tackles instead of Brandon Aiyuk? Tell me the tackle, Like,

1241
00:59:58,800 --> 01:00:01,320
Speaker 2: tell me the tackle be available. That can be his

1242
01:00:01,440 --> 01:00:04,520
Speaker 2: day one starting left tackle for this team. And I

1243
01:00:04,600 --> 01:00:09,080
Speaker 2: will tell you either, Yeah, you're right that they should

1244
01:00:09,080 --> 01:00:12,320
Speaker 2: make that move. But I'm telling you there's one name,

1245
01:00:12,800 --> 01:00:16,200
Speaker 2: there's one name that I would monitor, and that's Garrett

1246
01:00:16,200 --> 01:00:20,120
Speaker 2: Boles and Denver and even him is the same congress.

1247
01:00:20,240 --> 01:00:21,520
Speaker 1: They think bon Nix is gonna work.

1248
01:00:21,560 --> 01:00:23,440
Speaker 2: They're not gonna trade, oh god, dude, they do not.

1249
01:00:24,040 --> 01:00:26,800
Speaker 1: But they have to think bo Nicks is gonna work.

1250
01:00:26,840 --> 01:00:28,000
Speaker 1: They took him in the first round.

1251
01:00:28,280 --> 01:00:31,160
Speaker 2: That's fair. It's the same congress.

1252
01:00:30,840 --> 01:00:35,160
Speaker 1: Objectively, if you just drafted a first round quarterback, even

1253
01:00:35,200 --> 01:00:36,840
Speaker 1: though we both think he was far from a first

1254
01:00:36,920 --> 01:00:39,400
Speaker 1: round quarterback. If you just drafted a first round quarterback

1255
01:00:39,440 --> 01:00:42,080
Speaker 1: and they have no depth to tackle, they have nobody.

1256
01:00:42,120 --> 01:00:44,320
Speaker 1: William Sherman is on their depth chart. Remember him?

1257
01:00:44,400 --> 01:00:46,920
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, he's like mister President not.

1258
01:00:46,920 --> 01:00:48,640
Speaker 1: Low on their depth chart. Do you actually remember who

1259
01:00:48,640 --> 01:00:48,840
Speaker 1: that is?

1260
01:00:48,880 --> 01:00:51,520
Speaker 2: Yeah, they draft the Patriots drafted he's not low on

1261
01:00:51,560 --> 01:00:52,360
Speaker 2: their depth chart.

1262
01:00:52,960 --> 01:00:55,920
Speaker 1: They're not training garat pul No tackle is We just

1263
01:00:55,960 --> 01:00:58,040
Speaker 1: talked about how there's a surplus of wide receivers. There's

1264
01:00:58,080 --> 01:01:00,640
Speaker 1: the opposite tackle is the opposite you get good tackle?

1265
01:01:00,680 --> 01:01:03,479
Speaker 1: They are not forget sixty four tackles good enough because

1266
01:01:03,480 --> 01:01:05,560
Speaker 1: ever team needs too. I don't know if there's thirty

1267
01:01:05,560 --> 01:01:07,920
Speaker 1: two starting caliber tackles in the NFL right now. It's

1268
01:01:07,920 --> 01:01:11,520
Speaker 1: scarce you that one you have to do in the draft?

1269
01:01:11,600 --> 01:01:14,680
Speaker 1: Will Campbell Calvin Banks that one's gonna have to be

1270
01:01:14,720 --> 01:01:15,160
Speaker 1: in the draft.

1271
01:01:15,280 --> 01:01:17,480
Speaker 2: YEP. I think we're in agreement on that all right.

1272
01:01:17,560 --> 01:01:20,480
Speaker 2: But again, if you have a name like I threw out,

1273
01:01:20,520 --> 01:01:23,040
Speaker 2: Garrett Boles is probably one of the only names that

1274
01:01:23,080 --> 01:01:24,520
Speaker 2: I can think of off the top of my head.

1275
01:01:24,480 --> 01:01:25,680
Speaker 1: Why do you think he'd be available?

1276
01:01:25,680 --> 01:01:28,720
Speaker 2: Like, you know, because because he's in a similar contract

1277
01:01:28,760 --> 01:01:31,320
Speaker 2: situation as some of these other receivers that we're talking about,

1278
01:01:31,360 --> 01:01:34,880
Speaker 2: where he's he's not like holding in or holding out

1279
01:01:34,960 --> 01:01:36,680
Speaker 2: or anything like that. I don't think in Denver, but

1280
01:01:36,720 --> 01:01:37,720
Speaker 2: he needs to be paid.

1281
01:01:37,840 --> 01:01:40,240
Speaker 1: So they're back up right now, if they move on

1282
01:01:40,240 --> 01:01:41,600
Speaker 1: fro him, his gun named Matt Perk.

1283
01:01:42,520 --> 01:01:45,160
Speaker 2: Name sounds familiar, but not for good reasons.

1284
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Speaker 1: M He started six NFL games.

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01:01:48,960 --> 01:01:51,360
Speaker 2: Yeah, so I hear you. That's why. But that my

1286
01:01:51,440 --> 01:01:53,880
Speaker 2: point is in bringing up Garrett Balls, if they didn't.

1287
01:01:53,600 --> 01:01:56,000
Speaker 1: Have bo Nicks, if they were in the true rebuilding year,

1288
01:01:56,040 --> 01:01:58,200
Speaker 1: they should be and it would make sense. But they're not. Yeah,

1289
01:01:58,240 --> 01:01:59,120
Speaker 1: you're gonna try to make it work.

1290
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Speaker 2: They're they're there's no name, like, there's no name. And

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01:02:02,520 --> 01:02:06,320
Speaker 2: don't don't hit me with David Bottieri either, because but

1292
01:02:06,400 --> 01:02:08,360
Speaker 2: David Baktiari is not playing football right now.

1293
01:02:08,360 --> 01:02:12,560
Speaker 1: Again, there's so few good tackles in the league. If David,

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01:02:12,920 --> 01:02:14,520
Speaker 1: first of all, if Dave bok Terry could play, be

1295
01:02:14,560 --> 01:02:17,960
Speaker 1: a Jet, he'd be with Rogers. Yeah, but like if

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01:02:18,000 --> 01:02:19,520
Speaker 1: a team thought he could play, they'd bring him in

1297
01:02:19,560 --> 01:02:22,680
Speaker 1: for workout because everybody, it's not just the Patriots, everybody's

1298
01:02:22,720 --> 01:02:23,800
Speaker 1: desperate for tackles right now.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. It just I'm not even trying to be a

1300
01:02:26,360 --> 01:02:29,280
Speaker 2: jerk about it. Like maybe I'm not thinking of somebody

1301
01:02:29,520 --> 01:02:32,200
Speaker 2: that somebody else can think of, because I can't think

1302
01:02:32,240 --> 01:02:35,600
Speaker 2: of anybody right now that I've scoured the depth charts, like,

1303
01:02:35,640 --> 01:02:37,960
Speaker 2: there's nobody that I can think of right now that

1304
01:02:38,080 --> 01:02:40,520
Speaker 2: makes any sort of sense in terms of the team

1305
01:02:40,560 --> 01:02:42,920
Speaker 2: wanting to part ways with the player and being available

1306
01:02:43,000 --> 01:02:45,520
Speaker 2: via trade and all that kind of stuff. There's receivers

1307
01:02:45,520 --> 01:02:48,680
Speaker 2: that are available potentially via trade. You Co is definitely available,

1308
01:02:49,000 --> 01:02:52,040
Speaker 2: Lamb might be available eventually. Your guy DK Metcalf not

1309
01:02:52,160 --> 01:02:55,840
Speaker 2: this year, but next offseason might be available. That happens. Ye,

1310
01:02:56,480 --> 01:02:59,080
Speaker 2: Trent Williams is the last really good tackle that I

1311
01:02:59,080 --> 01:03:03,200
Speaker 2: can think of that move a trade. It doesn't happen.

1312
01:03:03,680 --> 01:03:05,640
Speaker 2: It doesn't happen. And the guys that hit free agency,

1313
01:03:05,720 --> 01:03:08,760
Speaker 2: or you know, the mcglinche's and the Jowan Taylors and

1314
01:03:08,800 --> 01:03:13,200
Speaker 2: like those types of players, not not Trent Williams, right, which.

1315
01:03:13,040 --> 01:03:14,640
Speaker 1: But that kind of player be an upgrade. And if

1316
01:03:14,640 --> 01:03:16,160
Speaker 1: you want to go back to the offseason, say they

1317
01:03:16,160 --> 01:03:18,160
Speaker 1: maybe should have paid somebody, we can have that argument,

1318
01:03:18,160 --> 01:03:19,400
Speaker 1: but that doesn't really do anything, right.

1319
01:03:19,520 --> 01:03:21,800
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's a great point. Like the other one is

1320
01:03:21,800 --> 01:03:24,320
Speaker 2: obviously Jonah Williams. And you know why didn't they do that?

1321
01:03:24,920 --> 01:03:27,520
Speaker 2: Ship is saled? Like I I agree with you. We

1322
01:03:27,600 --> 01:03:29,600
Speaker 2: both said on this show that we would have went

1323
01:03:29,640 --> 01:03:32,640
Speaker 2: after Jonah Williams. Yeah, in free agency, they didn't do it.

1324
01:03:32,720 --> 01:03:34,360
Speaker 2: My guess is the reason why they didn't do it

1325
01:03:34,400 --> 01:03:36,600
Speaker 2: is because they viewed him purely as a right tackle

1326
01:03:36,960 --> 01:03:39,240
Speaker 2: and they thought that they had brought on Wennu back

1327
01:03:39,320 --> 01:03:40,280
Speaker 2: to play right tackle.

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Speaker 1: I think because just the Packers thing they don't do

1329
01:03:42,520 --> 01:03:43,480
Speaker 1: free agency.

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Speaker 2: That could have been it too. All right, Ted is

1331
01:03:45,360 --> 01:03:46,520
Speaker 2: in Wyoming? What's up? Ted?

1332
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Speaker 3: Hi?

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01:03:49,680 --> 01:03:51,280
Speaker 4: Guys? I love listening to your show.

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Speaker 2: Thank you.

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01:03:54,440 --> 01:03:56,520
Speaker 4: I was curious about some things about the Brandon a

1336
01:03:56,880 --> 01:04:00,120
Speaker 4: discussion discussion I'd heard on one show someone saying that

1337
01:04:00,920 --> 01:04:04,640
Speaker 4: he could contribute two more wins to the Patriots this season.

1338
01:04:05,520 --> 01:04:09,800
Speaker 4: Who really cares about that? Winning four or winning seven?

1339
01:04:10,520 --> 01:04:14,520
Speaker 4: And I'm wondering along those lines, if Elliott Wolf is

1340
01:04:14,560 --> 01:04:18,560
Speaker 4: thinking a our target for being a contender is not

1341
01:04:18,680 --> 01:04:23,040
Speaker 4: this year for sure, probably not twenty five. It's probably

1342
01:04:23,080 --> 01:04:25,800
Speaker 4: twenty six, when May's in the third year of his

1343
01:04:25,880 --> 01:04:30,640
Speaker 4: rookie contract. So we need to sign people, draft and

1344
01:04:30,720 --> 01:04:33,520
Speaker 4: do everything in line to have a three year window

1345
01:04:33,560 --> 01:04:37,360
Speaker 4: starting then to be a contender, which to me also

1346
01:04:37,440 --> 01:04:41,760
Speaker 4: suggests that you don't sign expensive free agent now and

1347
01:04:41,880 --> 01:04:44,720
Speaker 4: eat the first two years of the contract when you

1348
01:04:44,800 --> 01:04:47,840
Speaker 4: really need those people in that three year period. I'm

1349
01:04:47,840 --> 01:04:49,200
Speaker 4: just wondering what your thoughts on that are.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, thanks for the call, Ed. Yeah, we've been kicking

1351
01:04:52,480 --> 01:04:56,080
Speaker 2: that idea around for weeks, right that when's the right

1352
01:04:56,120 --> 01:04:58,240
Speaker 2: time to strike in the window and all that kind

1353
01:04:58,280 --> 01:05:02,640
Speaker 2: of stuff. There's definitely a lot to what Ted is saying,

1354
01:05:02,720 --> 01:05:05,600
Speaker 2: and he laid it out nicely there. I would just

1355
01:05:05,640 --> 01:05:08,720
Speaker 2: say that when a player Brandon Nyuk's caliber becomes available

1356
01:05:08,800 --> 01:05:12,080
Speaker 2: via trade, you still aggressively pursue the player, right. You

1357
01:05:12,120 --> 01:05:14,480
Speaker 2: want as many good football players on the team as possible,

1358
01:05:14,840 --> 01:05:17,240
Speaker 2: So it's not like you're gonna sit there and just

1359
01:05:17,800 --> 01:05:20,120
Speaker 2: not call the forty nine ers. When a receiver like

1360
01:05:20,160 --> 01:05:23,680
Speaker 2: that comes available. You're gonna still do it if you can.

1361
01:05:24,400 --> 01:05:30,160
Speaker 2: But yeah, they realistically, I don't necessarily like looking at it,

1362
01:05:30,200 --> 01:05:33,400
Speaker 2: of he would add two wins, he'd have three wins,

1363
01:05:33,440 --> 01:05:37,400
Speaker 2: because it changes so many There's such a butterfly effect

1364
01:05:37,680 --> 01:05:40,040
Speaker 2: of everything that goes into it that I think it's

1365
01:05:40,040 --> 01:05:45,000
Speaker 2: hard to say in a vacuum this receiver would add

1366
01:05:46,360 --> 01:05:53,200
Speaker 2: x amount of wins because one, don't you there's a

1367
01:05:53,240 --> 01:05:57,480
Speaker 2: little bit of just like human element to it. Of

1368
01:05:57,560 --> 01:06:01,080
Speaker 2: like if We came out to practice week for the

1369
01:06:01,160 --> 01:06:05,120
Speaker 2: joint practice with the Eagles, and Brandon Nyuk was in

1370
01:06:05,160 --> 01:06:08,800
Speaker 2: a Patriots practice Jersey. Don't you think that the whole

1371
01:06:09,760 --> 01:06:15,480
Speaker 2: mantra around the team, the juice from the fans, the

1372
01:06:15,520 --> 01:06:18,920
Speaker 2: confidence that all those that it all improves, right, Like,

1373
01:06:18,960 --> 01:06:23,880
Speaker 2: everybody is gonna be jacked up for that second. I've

1374
01:06:23,920 --> 01:06:27,080
Speaker 2: always subscribed to the fact that it's like an offensive hierarchy, right,

1375
01:06:27,160 --> 01:06:30,880
Speaker 2: Like Brandon Nyuk puts everybody in the proper spot in

1376
01:06:30,920 --> 01:06:34,960
Speaker 2: the pecking quarter. So it's not just taking his thirteen

1377
01:06:35,040 --> 01:06:37,480
Speaker 2: hundred yards from the Niners last year and putting it

1378
01:06:37,520 --> 01:06:40,840
Speaker 2: into the Patriots offense. He makes Pop Douglas better, He

1379
01:06:40,880 --> 01:06:43,200
Speaker 2: makes Jalen Polk a little bit better, He makes Baker

1380
01:06:43,240 --> 01:06:45,200
Speaker 2: a little bit better, he makes Hunter Henry a little

1381
01:06:45,200 --> 01:06:48,240
Speaker 2: bit better. He makes your run game a little bit better. Right, Like,

1382
01:06:48,280 --> 01:06:51,200
Speaker 2: all of these elements kind of improve just because now

1383
01:06:51,280 --> 01:06:54,120
Speaker 2: you have, like this, this bona fide number one receiver

1384
01:06:54,600 --> 01:06:58,680
Speaker 2: that it all funnels through and around. And that's why

1385
01:06:59,000 --> 01:07:01,000
Speaker 2: I really felt like, if they could pull off this

1386
01:07:01,120 --> 01:07:04,240
Speaker 2: trade this year, and granted this is a big if,

1387
01:07:05,240 --> 01:07:08,959
Speaker 2: if they could have gotten just representable quarterback and line

1388
01:07:08,960 --> 01:07:13,439
Speaker 2: play this year with this these skill players, I thought

1389
01:07:13,440 --> 01:07:17,240
Speaker 2: they could have made the playoffs. And when I say that, yeah,

1390
01:07:17,720 --> 01:07:21,240
Speaker 2: just keep in mind what that means now in today's NFL,

1391
01:07:21,320 --> 01:07:23,280
Speaker 2: Like we talk about this off the air about baseball

1392
01:07:23,320 --> 01:07:25,880
Speaker 2: all the time now too, Right, there's seven teams in

1393
01:07:25,920 --> 01:07:28,560
Speaker 2: the AFC that make the playoffs. The Steelers were a

1394
01:07:28,560 --> 01:07:30,560
Speaker 2: ten win team last year and made the playoffs. The

1395
01:07:30,600 --> 01:07:33,360
Speaker 2: Patriots beat the Steelers with Bailey Zappy at the as

1396
01:07:33,440 --> 01:07:36,760
Speaker 2: quarterback in a Thursday night game. Last year. The Packers

1397
01:07:36,760 --> 01:07:38,760
Speaker 2: were nine to eight and made the playoffs in the NFC.

1398
01:07:38,920 --> 01:07:40,439
Speaker 2: So I'm not sitting here and telling you that they're

1399
01:07:40,440 --> 01:07:42,439
Speaker 2: gonna beat the Chiefs in the AFC Championship game because

1400
01:07:42,440 --> 01:07:45,920
Speaker 2: they have Brandon Aiyuk. Just don't remember the gap between

1401
01:07:45,960 --> 01:07:49,040
Speaker 2: the bad teams and like the mediocre teams, Like, really,

1402
01:07:49,080 --> 01:07:52,400
Speaker 2: isn't that high, like a Patriots that much worse than

1403
01:07:52,400 --> 01:07:55,040
Speaker 2: the Steelers were last year? Probably not.

1404
01:07:55,520 --> 01:07:58,480
Speaker 1: Yeah. I also just think you don't a bigger picture.

1405
01:07:58,800 --> 01:08:01,360
Speaker 1: You don't want losing to become habitual. Yeah, Like they

1406
01:08:01,400 --> 01:08:03,960
Speaker 1: had their down year last year, and maybe they took

1407
01:08:03,960 --> 01:08:06,160
Speaker 1: their foot off the gas at the end and got

1408
01:08:06,200 --> 01:08:08,680
Speaker 1: the draft pick and all that but you start going

1409
01:08:08,720 --> 01:08:11,000
Speaker 1: on with that for two, three, four years and suddenly

1410
01:08:11,080 --> 01:08:12,960
Speaker 1: forget how to get out of it. Yeah, and you

1411
01:08:13,080 --> 01:08:17,800
Speaker 1: never want bad season. They're necessary sometimes a season like

1412
01:08:17,840 --> 01:08:20,720
Speaker 1: that sometimes is necessary, but you want it to be isolated.

1413
01:08:21,000 --> 01:08:23,040
Speaker 1: You shouldn't have to have multiple and so to say, well,

1414
01:08:23,360 --> 01:08:25,360
Speaker 1: Brandon Ayuk adds a couple of wins, but we don't

1415
01:08:25,360 --> 01:08:29,240
Speaker 1: want to go there yet. Nope. That's once you start

1416
01:08:29,240 --> 01:08:31,040
Speaker 1: having that approach, get out. Somebody else has to run

1417
01:08:31,080 --> 01:08:33,080
Speaker 1: the team. You should. You should be in there trying

1418
01:08:33,080 --> 01:08:34,439
Speaker 1: to win as many games as possible.

1419
01:08:34,560 --> 01:08:37,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, I really, we all would have done it. They

1420
01:08:38,200 --> 01:08:42,080
Speaker 2: just this was this was up to Brandon Nayuk, and

1421
01:08:42,120 --> 01:08:44,679
Speaker 2: Brandon Nyke decided he didn't want to come here like that.

1422
01:08:44,680 --> 01:08:46,800
Speaker 2: That's how I'm gonna look at it. That's how I feel.

1423
01:08:46,800 --> 01:08:51,599
Speaker 2: A when question here from Kyle and the email about

1424
01:08:51,600 --> 01:08:53,960
Speaker 2: Matthew Judon, and it is a good point to bring

1425
01:08:54,040 --> 01:08:55,320
Speaker 2: up and then we can get into our three up,

1426
01:08:55,360 --> 01:08:58,840
Speaker 2: three down to another call to Yes, lots of calls

1427
01:08:58,840 --> 01:09:01,800
Speaker 2: and emails today. I appreciate it. Thank thanks for all this,

1428
01:09:02,000 --> 01:09:05,000
Speaker 2: uh for the one hundred and first episode. Did I

1429
01:09:05,040 --> 01:09:05,680
Speaker 2: say that? Yeah?

1430
01:09:05,680 --> 01:09:07,639
Speaker 1: Already, I don't know if you did. But yeah, one

1431
01:09:07,640 --> 01:09:09,559
Speaker 1: on one you knew it was the hundredth last week

1432
01:09:09,600 --> 01:09:10,880
Speaker 1: you just did. It was a big deal.

1433
01:09:10,960 --> 01:09:14,000
Speaker 2: No, I just totally well that's why I totally forgot.

1434
01:09:14,640 --> 01:09:17,400
Speaker 2: But we appreciate it, like I we're we're messing around.

1435
01:09:17,479 --> 01:09:20,040
Speaker 2: We obviously appreciate it. What do we calculate that's like

1436
01:09:20,120 --> 01:09:22,280
Speaker 2: eight days of listening.

1437
01:09:22,000 --> 01:09:26,840
Speaker 1: It's over eight days, just eight point three days the

1438
01:09:26,880 --> 01:09:30,719
Speaker 1: episode stop, it would be yeah, eight days, eight plus days.

1439
01:09:30,800 --> 01:09:34,960
Speaker 2: That's impressive. Yeah, we think. Thank you genuinely, I mean

1440
01:09:35,040 --> 01:09:40,160
Speaker 2: it sincerely, Matthew Judon back to football. I think it's

1441
01:09:40,200 --> 01:09:43,320
Speaker 2: time to trade. This is Kyle talking here. I think

1442
01:09:43,360 --> 01:09:46,080
Speaker 2: it's time to trade Matthew Judin. No matter what you

1443
01:09:46,120 --> 01:09:48,840
Speaker 2: get back, he is becoming a problem player and we

1444
01:09:48,920 --> 01:09:51,479
Speaker 2: need to get rid of him before he starts to

1445
01:09:51,560 --> 01:09:54,920
Speaker 2: affect the locker room negatively. I just want to say,

1446
01:09:55,000 --> 01:09:58,519
Speaker 2: off the top of to this email, it bummed me

1447
01:09:58,600 --> 01:10:01,240
Speaker 2: out watching him at the podium other day. Yeah, because

1448
01:10:01,240 --> 01:10:04,840
Speaker 2: this has been a guy for three plus years that

1449
01:10:04,880 --> 01:10:10,040
Speaker 2: has been jovial, excited to be here, wanting to recruit

1450
01:10:10,080 --> 01:10:12,160
Speaker 2: other whether he's successful or not. I know we always

1451
01:10:12,240 --> 01:10:13,960
Speaker 2: joke about it, you know, with his social media. But

1452
01:10:14,840 --> 01:10:19,880
Speaker 2: he was a good patriot like Brandon. I yeah, right,

1453
01:10:20,360 --> 01:10:22,960
Speaker 2: he was a fun guy to be around, brought a

1454
01:10:23,000 --> 01:10:24,880
Speaker 2: ton of energy. I thought. I think he's great with

1455
01:10:24,920 --> 01:10:28,960
Speaker 2: the fans. I think he's great dude to be around. Here.

1456
01:10:29,360 --> 01:10:31,519
Speaker 2: He looked like a broken human being the other day.

1457
01:10:31,800 --> 01:10:35,080
Speaker 2: And it's it's dunk to see like the life taken

1458
01:10:35,120 --> 01:10:38,559
Speaker 2: out of him from this saga in this situation, And

1459
01:10:38,880 --> 01:10:42,439
Speaker 2: that's not indicative of who Matthew Judon is. Like, that's

1460
01:10:42,479 --> 01:10:45,400
Speaker 2: not Matthew Judon. We all know who, not that we're

1461
01:10:45,439 --> 01:10:47,080
Speaker 2: best friends with him or anything, but we all know

1462
01:10:47,160 --> 01:10:50,960
Speaker 2: what he's like around the facility and in press conferences

1463
01:10:51,000 --> 01:10:54,760
Speaker 2: and and stuff like that. And that just wasn't him

1464
01:10:55,080 --> 01:10:57,639
Speaker 2: in that press conference, right, and uh, And now it's

1465
01:10:57,680 --> 01:11:01,760
Speaker 2: tough to see what I trade him for no matter what,

1466
01:11:02,160 --> 01:11:04,519
Speaker 2: Like the email says, no matter what you get back now,

1467
01:11:04,720 --> 01:11:07,439
Speaker 2: I would not do that. But we're at the point

1468
01:11:07,520 --> 01:11:10,840
Speaker 2: now where we're at a real fork in the road

1469
01:11:10,920 --> 01:11:13,320
Speaker 2: of either he needs to be here or he's not.

1470
01:11:13,560 --> 01:11:15,280
Speaker 2: And by be here, I mean he needs to be

1471
01:11:15,320 --> 01:11:18,720
Speaker 2: paid to, even if it's just a wet his beak

1472
01:11:18,760 --> 01:11:21,160
Speaker 2: to make him happy. We're at the point where he

1473
01:11:21,240 --> 01:11:23,439
Speaker 2: needs to be compensated or he needs to be gone.

1474
01:11:24,200 --> 01:11:26,280
Speaker 1: Yeah, and I think this actually brings me another point.

1475
01:11:26,280 --> 01:11:28,000
Speaker 1: I wanted to bring up the fallout of the Brandon

1476
01:11:28,040 --> 01:11:30,920
Speaker 1: Ayuk thing and some of what's leaked. Yeah, if I'm

1477
01:11:30,960 --> 01:11:33,160
Speaker 1: Matthew Judah, I'm sitting there saying, you were really give

1478
01:11:33,200 --> 01:11:36,679
Speaker 1: this guy thirty million dollars. You're not that thirty million

1479
01:11:36,720 --> 01:11:40,320
Speaker 1: dollars now just sitting there. I want a new contract.

1480
01:11:40,680 --> 01:11:44,400
Speaker 1: What is Brandon Ayuk, who's never set foot in this facility,

1481
01:11:45,640 --> 01:11:47,879
Speaker 1: dude to earn that thirty million that I and obviously

1482
01:11:47,880 --> 01:11:49,880
Speaker 1: like Ayuk's a good player, but you get what I'm saying. Yeah,

1483
01:11:49,960 --> 01:11:52,000
Speaker 1: there's money to be spent. There's money to be spent

1484
01:11:52,080 --> 01:11:55,240
Speaker 1: on the roster that's now not being spent. Matthew Judain

1485
01:11:55,280 --> 01:11:59,280
Speaker 1: sees that I would not be surprised that there's another

1486
01:11:59,560 --> 01:12:02,960
Speaker 1: sort of something in lines of his contract issues, in

1487
01:12:03,000 --> 01:12:07,120
Speaker 1: the fallout of this the other thing. And there's a

1488
01:12:07,120 --> 01:12:09,000
Speaker 1: lot of unknowns here, but it's just something that crossed

1489
01:12:09,040 --> 01:12:12,280
Speaker 1: my mind. Part of that report was that the trade

1490
01:12:12,320 --> 01:12:17,800
Speaker 1: in place involved Kendrick Bourne. Yeah, any time anytime you

1491
01:12:17,840 --> 01:12:20,920
Speaker 1: have a player come up in trade rumors, there's a

1492
01:12:20,960 --> 01:12:23,559
Speaker 1: conversation that needs to be at because you're essentially saying

1493
01:12:23,560 --> 01:12:27,200
Speaker 1: you don't want that guy. On top of that, Kendrick

1494
01:12:27,240 --> 01:12:29,080
Speaker 1: Bourne just signed a new contract with his team six

1495
01:12:29,120 --> 01:12:33,519
Speaker 1: months ago. Yeah, and there in certain leagues you're not

1496
01:12:33,560 --> 01:12:36,040
Speaker 1: allowed to trade players you re signed within a certain

1497
01:12:36,040 --> 01:12:37,840
Speaker 1: period of time. In the NFL you can, but nobody

1498
01:12:37,880 --> 01:12:40,560
Speaker 1: does it because it sends a really bad message to

1499
01:12:40,600 --> 01:12:43,000
Speaker 1: the player and honestly to the agent. The agent's are

1500
01:12:43,000 --> 01:12:44,439
Speaker 1: part of this because now he has to go back

1501
01:12:44,439 --> 01:12:48,960
Speaker 1: to his clients right and tell his clients that they

1502
01:12:48,960 --> 01:12:51,439
Speaker 1: should trust your team when you know, how do they

1503
01:12:51,479 --> 01:12:52,880
Speaker 1: know that you're not going to be the next one?

1504
01:12:52,880 --> 01:12:54,640
Speaker 1: And they just signed all these guys to extensions and

1505
01:12:54,640 --> 01:12:56,639
Speaker 1: they're gonna be looking at I thought I was getting

1506
01:12:56,640 --> 01:12:59,360
Speaker 1: some security. We kept hearing to Von gottschat talk about

1507
01:12:59,360 --> 01:13:02,160
Speaker 1: that security. I thought I was getting some security by

1508
01:13:02,160 --> 01:13:04,599
Speaker 1: signing this extension. I might have to move. I might

1509
01:13:04,640 --> 01:13:06,280
Speaker 1: have to drop it all and move at any given time.

1510
01:13:06,360 --> 01:13:09,360
Speaker 1: So maybe they talked out with Kendrick Borne ahead of time.

1511
01:13:09,720 --> 01:13:11,880
Speaker 1: Maybe he's good with it, Maybe they cleared it with

1512
01:13:11,880 --> 01:13:16,080
Speaker 1: his agent. All that it It needs to be addressed

1513
01:13:16,080 --> 01:13:18,720
Speaker 1: and it won't happen publicly, and we won't know the

1514
01:13:18,800 --> 01:13:23,920
Speaker 1: outcome of this, but trading, putting a player in a

1515
01:13:23,960 --> 01:13:28,600
Speaker 1: trade request that just signed a contract is a dangerous, dangerous,

1516
01:13:29,080 --> 01:13:32,280
Speaker 1: dangerous game. And you hope because that, to me, could

1517
01:13:32,360 --> 01:13:33,680
Speaker 1: be more of an issue in the locker room than

1518
01:13:33,840 --> 01:13:36,000
Speaker 1: than the Juda and stuff I go back to and

1519
01:13:36,080 --> 01:13:39,080
Speaker 1: it's apples and oranges a little bit because it's different leagues.

1520
01:13:39,120 --> 01:13:42,839
Speaker 1: But you remember last summer when the Celtics put Malcolm

1521
01:13:42,840 --> 01:13:45,479
Speaker 1: Brogden in the original Marcus Smart trade and it fell

1522
01:13:45,520 --> 01:13:49,679
Speaker 1: through and what happened Marcus Malcolm Brogna said, you know what, fine,

1523
01:13:49,680 --> 01:13:50,559
Speaker 1: you don't want me to trade me?

1524
01:13:50,680 --> 01:13:52,360
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, they had, and then they had.

1525
01:13:52,200 --> 01:13:53,760
Speaker 1: To trade him because he was involved in that He

1526
01:13:53,800 --> 01:13:56,680
Speaker 1: had I think he had recently signed like when that

1527
01:13:56,800 --> 01:13:58,640
Speaker 1: trade happened. When he got traded the Celtics, I think

1528
01:13:58,680 --> 01:14:01,439
Speaker 1: it was a new contract or something. So like, I

1529
01:14:01,479 --> 01:14:03,400
Speaker 1: don't mean to sound the alarm about it. I don't know.

1530
01:14:03,479 --> 01:14:05,880
Speaker 1: And Kendrick Bourne is the guy that would just be

1531
01:14:06,040 --> 01:14:08,599
Speaker 1: like cool with it because he's just such a chill

1532
01:14:08,640 --> 01:14:10,120
Speaker 1: guy and what's best with the team. But that's the

1533
01:14:10,120 --> 01:14:12,080
Speaker 1: guy that's talked about wanting to be a part of

1534
01:14:12,080 --> 01:14:14,960
Speaker 1: the rebuild, want to help turn things around. He's also

1535
01:14:15,000 --> 01:14:18,120
Speaker 1: probably your best receiver as things stand right now, assuming

1536
01:14:18,120 --> 01:14:22,760
Speaker 1: he comes back from that knee.

1537
01:14:21,200 --> 01:14:21,760
Speaker 2: That I.

1538
01:14:23,280 --> 01:14:25,919
Speaker 1: My eyebrow went up when I saw Kendrick Bourne reported

1539
01:14:25,960 --> 01:14:27,880
Speaker 1: as part of that. That is something I imagine the

1540
01:14:27,920 --> 01:14:31,120
Speaker 1: Patriots did not want out there unless the deal got done,

1541
01:14:31,600 --> 01:14:33,280
Speaker 1: and it is. It is going to be a challenge

1542
01:14:33,320 --> 01:14:35,360
Speaker 1: for Gerrodmeo and Nelly Wolf. This is an early challenge

1543
01:14:35,400 --> 01:14:36,120
Speaker 1: for this new regime.

1544
01:14:36,200 --> 01:14:38,920
Speaker 2: The only I agree with everything he said. Yeah, The

1545
01:14:38,960 --> 01:14:44,759
Speaker 2: only possible way that this doesn't fester into something bigger

1546
01:14:45,479 --> 01:14:49,559
Speaker 2: is he's played it in San Francisco before with Kyle

1547
01:14:49,640 --> 01:14:54,760
Speaker 2: Shanahan their Super Bowl team. He's already paid, like in

1548
01:14:54,880 --> 01:14:57,240
Speaker 2: his shoes. You could look at it as Kenrick Bourne

1549
01:14:57,240 --> 01:14:59,760
Speaker 2: and say, as much as I want to be here

1550
01:14:59,760 --> 01:15:01,760
Speaker 2: and be a part of this and try to turn

1551
01:15:01,840 --> 01:15:04,400
Speaker 2: things around here, it's a pretty good situation.

1552
01:15:05,320 --> 01:15:08,880
Speaker 1: But it's also did they have that conversation with him

1553
01:15:08,960 --> 01:15:10,960
Speaker 1: when it was first floated or did he learn like

1554
01:15:11,040 --> 01:15:14,000
Speaker 1: we did the other night right like there? Maybe he

1555
01:15:14,120 --> 01:15:17,160
Speaker 1: was Maybe they went and said, look, we.

1556
01:15:17,160 --> 01:15:19,240
Speaker 2: You know they want a receiver back that can play

1557
01:15:19,240 --> 01:15:20,320
Speaker 2: this year for them, right, we.

1558
01:15:20,320 --> 01:15:22,559
Speaker 1: Need a guy that's that's gonna be a little bit younger,

1559
01:15:22,720 --> 01:15:24,840
Speaker 1: not coming off the injury, a little more explosive, like

1560
01:15:25,280 --> 01:15:28,080
Speaker 1: we're setting like we're sending you somewhere you're familiar, you know,

1561
01:15:28,160 --> 01:15:30,080
Speaker 1: and maybe he signs off on it, but we don't know.

1562
01:15:30,120 --> 01:15:32,200
Speaker 1: I'm sure he'll be asked about it. We don't know,

1563
01:15:32,720 --> 01:15:36,800
Speaker 1: but it's it's an awkward conversation. And Drod Meta said

1564
01:15:36,800 --> 01:15:38,639
Speaker 1: the other day he had a good conversation with Kendrick Borne.

1565
01:15:38,640 --> 01:15:42,080
Speaker 1: But that's it's not just Kendrick Boorne. It's on one hand,

1566
01:15:42,160 --> 01:15:43,920
Speaker 1: other guys in the locker room, other guys who just

1567
01:15:44,120 --> 01:15:48,040
Speaker 1: signed extensions who now understandably maybe looking over their shoulder

1568
01:15:48,240 --> 01:15:51,320
Speaker 1: whenever trade conversations come up. And it's also I don't

1569
01:15:51,320 --> 01:15:54,280
Speaker 1: know actually who Kendrick Bourne's agent is, but when you're

1570
01:15:54,320 --> 01:15:56,639
Speaker 1: dealing with that agent and that agency in the future,

1571
01:15:56,680 --> 01:15:58,960
Speaker 1: it's going to be, well, you know, my player wants

1572
01:15:59,000 --> 01:16:01,840
Speaker 1: to play for you, how do I we need a

1573
01:16:01,840 --> 01:16:05,920
Speaker 1: little something more here? Because his agency is disruptive sports.

1574
01:16:06,760 --> 01:16:10,400
Speaker 2: Yeah, they have a few Patriots receivers that are clients,

1575
01:16:10,439 --> 01:16:12,800
Speaker 2: do they Okay, I know Taekwon's a client of theirs

1576
01:16:12,760 --> 01:16:13,080
Speaker 2: as well.

1577
01:16:13,120 --> 01:16:16,200
Speaker 1: I think so, but it's more pending for agent clients

1578
01:16:16,280 --> 01:16:18,120
Speaker 1: or guys that want to you know, re signed in

1579
01:16:18,160 --> 01:16:21,960
Speaker 1: the future. That all right, well, you're you're committing to

1580
01:16:21,960 --> 01:16:23,559
Speaker 1: my guy, but how do we know you're really committing

1581
01:16:23,560 --> 01:16:23,920
Speaker 1: to my guy?

1582
01:16:24,120 --> 01:16:27,080
Speaker 2: Yeah? Yeah, last point on on Judan, because I think

1583
01:16:27,120 --> 01:16:29,599
Speaker 2: you laid out the Born stuff nicely. The Judon thing

1584
01:16:31,240 --> 01:16:34,880
Speaker 2: Dad needs to be resolved one way or another. It's

1585
01:16:35,120 --> 01:16:38,320
Speaker 2: gone too far at this point. And now I'm not

1586
01:16:38,360 --> 01:16:42,280
Speaker 2: necessarily as worried about as the emailer about the locker

1587
01:16:42,360 --> 01:16:44,240
Speaker 2: room and all. I'm not worried. I'm just worried about

1588
01:16:44,240 --> 01:16:49,040
Speaker 2: Matthew Judon. Like he's either he's still got good football

1589
01:16:49,160 --> 01:16:52,519
Speaker 2: left in him. He's a great player. It's either going

1590
01:16:52,560 --> 01:16:54,200
Speaker 2: to be here or someplace else. But we're at the

1591
01:16:54,200 --> 01:16:57,120
Speaker 2: point now where the season's right around in the corner.

1592
01:16:57,200 --> 01:17:01,160
Speaker 2: They need to make a decision, and he's He says

1593
01:17:01,200 --> 01:17:03,720
Speaker 2: he's gonna play under the current contract because he has

1594
01:17:03,760 --> 01:17:07,000
Speaker 2: no choice, which to an extent he doesn't because he

1595
01:17:07,080 --> 01:17:10,200
Speaker 2: needs to play well to be paid next off season

1596
01:17:10,240 --> 01:17:13,360
Speaker 2: because he's coming off the injury. So that that's fair,

1597
01:17:13,400 --> 01:17:15,719
Speaker 2: But you don't want to put a player out there

1598
01:17:16,520 --> 01:17:20,120
Speaker 2: that's this unhappy with the situation and for every Brandon

1599
01:17:20,160 --> 01:17:22,400
Speaker 2: I you g rumor and all this kind of stuff.

1600
01:17:23,040 --> 01:17:25,519
Speaker 2: There's money going out of Foxborough right now and it's

1601
01:17:25,560 --> 01:17:27,960
Speaker 2: not going to Matthew Judon and and.

1602
01:17:27,960 --> 01:17:30,120
Speaker 1: How does he not say that as a slight Yeah?

1603
01:17:30,160 --> 01:17:33,639
Speaker 2: Absolutely, all right. Kendall is in North Carolina. What's up? Kendall?

1604
01:17:34,800 --> 01:17:37,200
Speaker 7: Hey, how you guys doing good?

1605
01:17:37,479 --> 01:17:37,639
Speaker 4: All?

1606
01:17:37,720 --> 01:17:40,000
Speaker 7: Right? Things? I want to ask you how you think

1607
01:17:40,040 --> 01:17:41,960
Speaker 7: the wide receiver de charge is going to shake out?

1608
01:17:42,360 --> 01:17:46,240
Speaker 7: What'll safe out between now and week one and number two?

1609
01:17:46,320 --> 01:17:50,080
Speaker 7: Have y'all seen enough Javon Baker that he could possibly

1610
01:17:50,680 --> 01:17:52,439
Speaker 7: possibly be the start X wide receiver.

1611
01:17:52,520 --> 01:17:53,040
Speaker 4: Appreciate it?

1612
01:17:53,120 --> 01:17:55,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, thanks for the call, Kendall. Good question. H I'm

1613
01:17:55,920 --> 01:17:59,960
Speaker 2: working on preliminary roster projection. Obviously tomorrow night might change

1614
01:18:00,080 --> 01:18:03,160
Speaker 2: few things. But I'll give you my six guys right

1615
01:18:03,200 --> 01:18:08,439
Speaker 2: now that I have at receiver. Obviously we have Pop Douglas,

1616
01:18:09,320 --> 01:18:12,400
Speaker 2: Jayvon Baker, Jalen pol kJ Osborne, I'm ready with I'm

1617
01:18:12,439 --> 01:18:14,519
Speaker 2: there for you with KG Osborne, right, we're on the

1618
01:18:14,520 --> 01:18:17,080
Speaker 2: same page now with him. kJ Osborne's on this team.

1619
01:18:17,120 --> 01:18:22,120
Speaker 2: So Pop Douglas, Baker, Osborne and now for right now,

1620
01:18:22,160 --> 01:18:25,920
Speaker 2: depending on what happens with Kendrick Bourne obviously with his situation.

1621
01:18:26,000 --> 01:18:28,360
Speaker 2: If he's off pupp then this changes things. If he isn't,

1622
01:18:28,360 --> 01:18:31,000
Speaker 2: then then I'm sticking with this six. I'm kipping both

1623
01:18:31,040 --> 01:18:34,320
Speaker 2: Rigger and Taekwon for now because I feel like those

1624
01:18:34,320 --> 01:18:37,080
Speaker 2: two guys are going to be in a never ending

1625
01:18:37,160 --> 01:18:39,640
Speaker 2: loop of position battle of who's gonna get on the

1626
01:18:39,640 --> 01:18:41,880
Speaker 2: field each week to be the speed guy, right like

1627
01:18:41,920 --> 01:18:45,160
Speaker 2: the vertical stretch element to the offense. So I have

1628
01:18:45,240 --> 01:18:47,360
Speaker 2: both those guys on, which would mean that like guys

1629
01:18:47,400 --> 01:18:51,160
Speaker 2: like Juju and Kashan Boody are cut off the team

1630
01:18:51,240 --> 01:18:51,599
Speaker 2: right now.

1631
01:18:51,680 --> 01:18:55,400
Speaker 1: So Kishan Boody, excuse me. Kashan Boody has had a

1632
01:18:55,439 --> 01:18:58,040
Speaker 1: good couple of practices year. Yes, he's pop more on

1633
01:18:58,080 --> 01:19:00,720
Speaker 1: my radar, and it's taekwonk and be healthy at the

1634
01:19:00,720 --> 01:19:01,360
Speaker 1: start of season.

1635
01:19:01,800 --> 01:19:04,160
Speaker 2: Good question, And it's definitely still up in the air

1636
01:19:04,479 --> 01:19:06,800
Speaker 2: with those two guys obviously. You know, well, I'll probably

1637
01:19:06,880 --> 01:19:10,880
Speaker 2: do one more before before the actual cutdown day in

1638
01:19:10,960 --> 01:19:13,040
Speaker 2: terms of projection, and I'm not ready to write this

1639
01:19:13,160 --> 01:19:16,519
Speaker 2: in Sharpe yet, but my my thing with Kaishan Boody

1640
01:19:17,640 --> 01:19:22,120
Speaker 2: is that his skill set is so redundant to the

1641
01:19:22,160 --> 01:19:25,600
Speaker 2: other guys that they have on the roster, whereas at

1642
01:19:25,720 --> 01:19:28,559
Speaker 2: least with Rager and Taekwon, they bring a different element

1643
01:19:28,720 --> 01:19:32,639
Speaker 2: than the other players. Like if everyone just assume everybody's

1644
01:19:32,720 --> 01:19:37,080
Speaker 2: healthy for a second, right, how does kaish On Boody

1645
01:19:37,600 --> 01:19:41,760
Speaker 2: get on the field over Born Polk and Baker and Osborne?

1646
01:19:42,360 --> 01:19:44,719
Speaker 2: All four of those guys play exactly the same style

1647
01:19:44,920 --> 01:19:48,559
Speaker 2: essentially as him, like similar body type, similar roles, everything.

1648
01:19:48,960 --> 01:19:53,639
Speaker 2: So there's basically four guys in his way in that role.

1649
01:19:54,479 --> 01:19:56,439
Speaker 2: I just don't see how he gets on the field.

1650
01:19:56,920 --> 01:19:58,640
Speaker 2: And yeah, if you can, if you want to make

1651
01:19:58,640 --> 01:20:00,479
Speaker 2: the argument that they're keeping him off the on the

1652
01:20:00,600 --> 01:20:03,320
Speaker 2: roster because the developmental upside and things like that, fine,

1653
01:20:03,960 --> 01:20:06,519
Speaker 2: But now we're in year two, Like, how long are

1654
01:20:06,600 --> 01:20:08,400
Speaker 2: you going to keep a guy because he might be

1655
01:20:08,520 --> 01:20:11,960
Speaker 2: the guy that we saw in lsu A as a freshman, right, well.

1656
01:20:11,960 --> 01:20:14,280
Speaker 1: I mean, why are you gonna keep Taekwon and Rager?

1657
01:20:14,560 --> 01:20:17,400
Speaker 1: Neither of those guys. It's this again, it's the same

1658
01:20:17,400 --> 01:20:19,400
Speaker 1: skill set, and you can probably get Rager on the

1659
01:20:19,400 --> 01:20:21,719
Speaker 1: practice squad Taikwon I practice.

1660
01:20:21,800 --> 01:20:23,719
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think Taekwon is more likely on the practice

1661
01:20:23,720 --> 01:20:24,479
Speaker 2: squad than Rager.

1662
01:20:24,680 --> 01:20:26,400
Speaker 1: So my points, you can get one on the practice

1663
01:20:26,400 --> 01:20:29,320
Speaker 1: squad Booty you might lose. I think having depth would

1664
01:20:29,320 --> 01:20:31,840
Speaker 1: be good. I don't know. I think it's pretty even

1665
01:20:31,920 --> 01:20:34,200
Speaker 1: right now between them. I wouldn't keep Taekwon and Rager.

1666
01:20:34,280 --> 01:20:36,200
Speaker 1: That's redundant. You can definitely get one of those guys

1667
01:20:36,200 --> 01:20:37,760
Speaker 1: on the practice squad if you want to keep them

1668
01:20:37,760 --> 01:20:39,880
Speaker 1: both in the building at that point, I would get

1669
01:20:39,880 --> 01:20:41,360
Speaker 1: you to give the row spot to Booty or give

1670
01:20:41,400 --> 01:20:44,080
Speaker 1: it to like another corner or alignment or something.

1671
01:20:44,160 --> 01:20:47,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, I could see maybe only carrying five. My argument

1672
01:20:48,000 --> 01:20:50,720
Speaker 2: with with Rager and Taekwon both making it is more

1673
01:20:50,800 --> 01:20:55,479
Speaker 2: that it's been they've been kind of trading off, like

1674
01:20:55,520 --> 01:20:57,800
Speaker 2: when who's hot and who's not. Like right now, I

1675
01:20:57,800 --> 01:21:00,920
Speaker 2: would say that Rager has has been okay the last

1676
01:21:00,920 --> 01:21:03,960
Speaker 2: couple of days. Then like Taekwon had like, you know,

1677
01:21:04,080 --> 01:21:06,920
Speaker 2: a stretch there where he was making some plays and

1678
01:21:06,960 --> 01:21:10,120
Speaker 2: then Rager and the non padded practices probably stood out

1679
01:21:10,120 --> 01:21:11,400
Speaker 2: a little, you know what I mean, Like it keeps

1680
01:21:11,400 --> 01:21:14,040
Speaker 2: see sawing back and forth. Right, So I wonder if

1681
01:21:14,080 --> 01:21:17,519
Speaker 2: that battle just continues throughout the season and it's almost

1682
01:21:17,560 --> 01:21:20,160
Speaker 2: like riding the hot goalie, right, it's like you ride

1683
01:21:20,200 --> 01:21:22,280
Speaker 2: the hot hand of like which speed guy is the

1684
01:21:22,280 --> 01:21:25,000
Speaker 2: guy that's you know, popping in practice and is you

1685
01:21:25,040 --> 01:21:27,599
Speaker 2: know playing well on Sundays and all that kind of stuff.

1686
01:21:27,920 --> 01:21:31,559
Speaker 2: I just think that they're The way that I look

1687
01:21:31,600 --> 01:21:33,519
Speaker 2: at it is that they might lean a little bit

1688
01:21:33,520 --> 01:21:37,280
Speaker 2: more towards true speed, yeah, and dynamic you know speed

1689
01:21:37,320 --> 01:21:40,519
Speaker 2: than a guy like Keishawan Boody. And the other thing

1690
01:21:40,560 --> 01:21:44,000
Speaker 2: with Booty that I've noticed at least is that he's,

1691
01:21:44,160 --> 01:21:46,040
Speaker 2: you know, some of the catches that he's made, like

1692
01:21:46,080 --> 01:21:49,519
Speaker 2: are not against Christian Gonzales and Jonathan Jones and you know,

1693
01:21:49,560 --> 01:21:51,840
Speaker 2: guys that are gonna be here in terms of cornerbacks.

1694
01:21:52,160 --> 01:21:53,920
Speaker 2: So let's see what he does, you know again some

1695
01:21:54,000 --> 01:21:57,160
Speaker 2: better corners, Like maybe he does earn some reps, but

1696
01:21:57,439 --> 01:22:00,840
Speaker 2: we always talk about who's on what field or what

1697
01:22:01,000 --> 01:22:05,160
Speaker 2: group or whatever, and Booty has been pretty regularly with

1698
01:22:05,320 --> 01:22:07,559
Speaker 2: like the threes, you know, or maybe like a couple

1699
01:22:07,560 --> 01:22:10,320
Speaker 2: of two's reps here and there too. So I don't

1700
01:22:10,360 --> 01:22:14,720
Speaker 2: think he's trending upwards in that sense, as you could

1701
01:22:14,720 --> 01:22:18,439
Speaker 2: tell on that list, Juju Smith Schuster is not. He's not.

1702
01:22:18,600 --> 01:22:19,800
Speaker 1: Yeah, he's not close.

1703
01:22:19,960 --> 01:22:23,799
Speaker 2: No, not close to the second question, with Javon Baker

1704
01:22:24,080 --> 01:22:27,840
Speaker 2: starting X receiver, just the second one into our our

1705
01:22:27,960 --> 01:22:28,599
Speaker 2: ups and downs.

1706
01:22:28,680 --> 01:22:29,680
Speaker 1: Do take the last call?

1707
01:22:29,840 --> 01:22:31,280
Speaker 2: You want to take the last call? Do that?

1708
01:22:31,280 --> 01:22:33,840
Speaker 1: That's kind enough to wait this song?

1709
01:22:33,960 --> 01:22:36,439
Speaker 2: That's fair. Hassan is in Springfield? What's up to the son?

1710
01:22:38,320 --> 01:22:38,880
Speaker 3: How you doing?

1711
01:22:38,920 --> 01:22:39,040
Speaker 4: So?

1712
01:22:39,080 --> 01:22:42,840
Speaker 3: Going back to that question about the off linement, there's

1713
01:22:42,880 --> 01:22:46,280
Speaker 3: guys like lend me Tunzel, you know, Tristan wars so

1714
01:22:46,439 --> 01:22:52,519
Speaker 3: On Armstead, Jordan Malata Sewell, there's guys like that that

1715
01:22:53,479 --> 01:22:56,160
Speaker 3: even though they have their contracts, there's still out the

1716
01:22:56,240 --> 01:22:57,759
Speaker 3: debt that we can go after.

1717
01:23:00,080 --> 01:23:02,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, Hassan, I mean you think the Lions are going

1718
01:23:02,240 --> 01:23:06,200
Speaker 2: to trade penny stool to the Patriots? Like realistically, Like

1719
01:23:06,240 --> 01:23:07,839
Speaker 2: I'm not trying to be a jerk, I'm just like realistic.

1720
01:23:07,920 --> 01:23:10,160
Speaker 3: No, no, no, no, yeah, I know say no. But you know,

1721
01:23:12,400 --> 01:23:14,280
Speaker 3: so like three first rounders in there?

1722
01:23:15,720 --> 01:23:22,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean I like, yeah, yeah, I mean, I

1723
01:23:22,880 --> 01:23:24,600
Speaker 2: hear you, Hissan, thank you for the call. I'm not

1724
01:23:24,600 --> 01:23:26,559
Speaker 2: trying to be an a whole, but yes, if you

1725
01:23:26,560 --> 01:23:29,160
Speaker 2: threw three first round picks at a team, you know,

1726
01:23:29,200 --> 01:23:31,880
Speaker 2: at uh at the Texans for Larmie Tunzel, would they

1727
01:23:31,880 --> 01:23:34,559
Speaker 2: maybe pick up the phone and listen like possible, right,

1728
01:23:34,680 --> 01:23:36,200
Speaker 2: but that's not realistic.

1729
01:23:36,320 --> 01:23:37,920
Speaker 1: You better have every other piece in place when you

1730
01:23:37,960 --> 01:23:39,080
Speaker 1: make that move. And this team doesn't.

1731
01:23:39,120 --> 01:23:41,960
Speaker 2: No, I mean you're not You're not making that move right. Uh.

1732
01:23:42,240 --> 01:23:45,880
Speaker 2: You know, Tristan WARF's literally just signed a record breaking

1733
01:23:45,920 --> 01:23:49,160
Speaker 2: extension like three days ago. Like, he's not going anywhere.

1734
01:23:49,560 --> 01:23:52,200
Speaker 2: Penny Stools maybe other than Trent Williams is probably the

1735
01:23:52,280 --> 01:23:55,120
Speaker 2: second best tackle in football. He's not going anywhere, right.

1736
01:23:55,600 --> 01:23:58,360
Speaker 2: Laramie Tunzel is a top ten tackle in the NFL

1737
01:23:58,720 --> 01:24:01,400
Speaker 2: on a team that's trying to win. Yeah, so he's

1738
01:24:01,439 --> 01:24:04,560
Speaker 2: not going anywhere. I hear you. We're all trying to

1739
01:24:04,600 --> 01:24:08,280
Speaker 2: look for tackles. I get it. But once you start

1740
01:24:08,280 --> 01:24:10,840
Speaker 2: to get into this, yes, if you call the team

1741
01:24:11,360 --> 01:24:14,400
Speaker 2: that maybe is in that middle category, you know, and

1742
01:24:14,439 --> 01:24:16,400
Speaker 2: you find the team as a starting tackle, you like,

1743
01:24:16,479 --> 01:24:18,080
Speaker 2: that's sort of in the middle, you know. I saw.

1744
01:24:18,360 --> 01:24:20,720
Speaker 2: I did briefly check it on the chat. Like a

1745
01:24:20,720 --> 01:24:23,120
Speaker 2: guy like Jedrick Wills from the Cleveland Browns. He was

1746
01:24:23,160 --> 01:24:26,519
Speaker 2: probably near towards near the end here, closer to the

1747
01:24:26,600 --> 01:24:28,719
Speaker 2: end in the beginning. But if you called the Browns

1748
01:24:28,760 --> 01:24:32,400
Speaker 2: right now and you gave them a if you overpaid

1749
01:24:33,040 --> 01:24:35,639
Speaker 2: for the player, could you convince them to take it? Yeah?

1750
01:24:35,640 --> 01:24:38,040
Speaker 2: Maybe right, Like if you're giving up like a second

1751
01:24:38,120 --> 01:24:39,880
Speaker 2: round pick for him, which is a lot.

1752
01:24:40,040 --> 01:24:41,960
Speaker 1: You're doing the rams thing at that point where you're

1753
01:24:42,000 --> 01:24:43,960
Speaker 1: just blowing through all the picks to add players. But

1754
01:24:44,720 --> 01:24:46,160
Speaker 1: you have to have enough of a core in place,

1755
01:24:46,200 --> 01:24:49,240
Speaker 1: and they don't. Somebody also in the tweeted at us

1756
01:24:49,320 --> 01:24:52,760
Speaker 1: about Jack conklin Ya that team's got to win. They

1757
01:24:52,760 --> 01:24:55,720
Speaker 1: gave to Shawn wattson all that money, and you know,

1758
01:24:55,760 --> 01:24:58,120
Speaker 1: Stefanski just kind of blew out half his staff to

1759
01:24:58,160 --> 01:25:00,880
Speaker 1: save his own ass. Like they're not moving on from

1760
01:25:00,920 --> 01:25:01,639
Speaker 1: tackles right now.

1761
01:25:01,880 --> 01:25:04,800
Speaker 2: All right, let's get into three up, three down. I look,

1762
01:25:04,800 --> 01:25:06,559
Speaker 2: I I wish that they could trade for Penny Seol,

1763
01:25:06,680 --> 01:25:08,320
Speaker 2: like you know, I wish he was available.

1764
01:25:08,760 --> 01:25:10,479
Speaker 1: That's just great, a lot of problems.

1765
01:25:10,600 --> 01:25:13,720
Speaker 2: That's not the world we're living, all right, where I like,

1766
01:25:13,720 --> 01:25:16,320
Speaker 2: I like. I like to say we're a positive show.

1767
01:25:16,479 --> 01:25:19,000
Speaker 2: So I'm gonna start with the ups. Okay, Okay, my

1768
01:25:19,160 --> 01:25:21,479
Speaker 2: number one up and this is we're calling this from

1769
01:25:21,520 --> 01:25:23,240
Speaker 2: padded practices. Is that what we're doing?

1770
01:25:23,439 --> 01:25:25,200
Speaker 1: Yeah, because last time we did a show it there's

1771
01:25:25,200 --> 01:25:26,200
Speaker 1: been a padded practice.

1772
01:25:26,320 --> 01:25:28,519
Speaker 2: Yeah, they've been I think the first couple are but

1773
01:25:28,640 --> 01:25:31,280
Speaker 2: sure padded practice. Yeah, whatever, last week or whatever you

1774
01:25:31,280 --> 01:25:34,760
Speaker 2: want to call it. Number one up Hunter Henry. I

1775
01:25:34,800 --> 01:25:38,680
Speaker 2: think Hunterry has been great. Uh He's come alive here

1776
01:25:38,720 --> 01:25:41,479
Speaker 2: in this like second week camp, making some plays down

1777
01:25:41,560 --> 01:25:44,679
Speaker 2: the field, which I think this this av got fans

1778
01:25:44,760 --> 01:25:47,040
Speaker 2: game in my head. This a VP offense. I you know,

1779
01:25:47,120 --> 01:25:49,559
Speaker 2: you'll get David and Joku. He's not David and Joku.

1780
01:25:49,600 --> 01:25:52,639
Speaker 2: He's not that explosive of an athlete, but they tend

1781
01:25:52,640 --> 01:25:54,880
Speaker 2: to target tight ends maybe a little bit further down

1782
01:25:54,880 --> 01:25:57,280
Speaker 2: the field than other teams. Do you know this isn't

1783
01:25:57,320 --> 01:25:59,680
Speaker 2: like quick three yard slants all the time. Although he's

1784
01:25:59,720 --> 01:26:02,160
Speaker 2: had a those, you know, beating up linebackers in the

1785
01:26:02,200 --> 01:26:05,000
Speaker 2: middle of the field. I still feel like when we

1786
01:26:05,080 --> 01:26:07,080
Speaker 2: watch one on ones and things like, his red zone

1787
01:26:07,120 --> 01:26:09,400
Speaker 2: work is still phenomenal. I think he's gonna be a

1788
01:26:09,400 --> 01:26:10,920
Speaker 2: big deal in the red zone still if they have

1789
01:26:11,000 --> 01:26:13,599
Speaker 2: the quarterback play for it. I look at Hunter Henry,

1790
01:26:13,640 --> 01:26:16,679
Speaker 2: I think he's been good. There's been some questions of

1791
01:26:17,080 --> 01:26:19,439
Speaker 2: you know, twenty nine years old, getting up there in

1792
01:26:19,479 --> 01:26:21,000
Speaker 2: age a little bit, like how much does he have

1793
01:26:21,080 --> 01:26:23,759
Speaker 2: left in the tank. He looks spry, he looks explosive

1794
01:26:23,800 --> 01:26:25,800
Speaker 2: out there. I thought he's been good this last week.

1795
01:26:25,880 --> 01:26:27,560
Speaker 1: I think it's been cool him and I feel like

1796
01:26:27,600 --> 01:26:29,320
Speaker 1: him and Jalen Hawkins have had a ton of battles

1797
01:26:29,320 --> 01:26:31,800
Speaker 1: in this camp. Yeah, and he's probably gotten Hawkins. Warren

1798
01:26:31,800 --> 01:26:33,760
Speaker 1: Hawks has gotten him, but Hawkins has gotten him a

1799
01:26:33,800 --> 01:26:37,160
Speaker 1: few times. For a team that's had trouble covering tight ends,

1800
01:26:37,400 --> 01:26:40,599
Speaker 1: Hawkins sticking with him has been encouraging. But yeah, Henry's

1801
01:26:40,600 --> 01:26:43,360
Speaker 1: looked good. All right, we got I wanted to try

1802
01:26:43,400 --> 01:26:46,719
Speaker 1: not to overlap, but since you didn't drop this guy first,

1803
01:26:46,720 --> 01:26:49,360
Speaker 1: Mike and Winno. Yeah, he's been the best player camp. Yeah,

1804
01:26:49,400 --> 01:26:51,360
Speaker 1: and it's only gotten better as the pads have come on,

1805
01:26:51,400 --> 01:26:54,120
Speaker 1: and boy do they need it. But one on ones,

1806
01:26:54,360 --> 01:26:56,040
Speaker 1: team drills, whatever you want to call it. I mean,

1807
01:26:56,080 --> 01:26:56,960
Speaker 1: he's just been dominant.

1808
01:26:57,000 --> 01:26:59,639
Speaker 2: The one on one stuff is I've never seen anything

1809
01:26:59,680 --> 01:27:03,519
Speaker 2: like it. And granted is I'm not I say this

1810
01:27:03,520 --> 01:27:05,000
Speaker 2: all the time. I haven't been covering the team for

1811
01:27:05,040 --> 01:27:06,880
Speaker 2: thirty years, right, so I don't go back to like

1812
01:27:06,960 --> 01:27:10,599
Speaker 2: Matt Light and Logan Mankins and those guys, but he

1813
01:27:10,760 --> 01:27:13,720
Speaker 2: is legitimately unbeatable. Like you cannot get around him in

1814
01:27:13,760 --> 01:27:18,080
Speaker 2: one on one. He just with a one handed, right

1815
01:27:18,120 --> 01:27:22,640
Speaker 2: handed punch to Keon White's chest, dropped Keon White to

1816
01:27:22,720 --> 01:27:26,040
Speaker 2: the ground with like a forearm shiver. That's a two

1817
01:27:26,120 --> 01:27:30,120
Speaker 2: hundred and eighty five pound just gigantic athlete that he

1818
01:27:30,280 --> 01:27:33,000
Speaker 2: just tossed like a rag doll to the ground. He's

1819
01:27:33,000 --> 01:27:35,600
Speaker 2: been phenomenal. I was worried a little bit about his

1820
01:27:35,640 --> 01:27:38,040
Speaker 2: weight when we came into training camp. That seemed to

1821
01:27:38,080 --> 01:27:40,720
Speaker 2: be a little bit of a concern there maybe why

1822
01:27:40,760 --> 01:27:44,560
Speaker 2: he's playing inside and not outside right now. But I

1823
01:27:44,600 --> 01:27:47,280
Speaker 2: don't I don't think it's matter even a little bit,

1824
01:27:47,520 --> 01:27:49,599
Speaker 2: Like I figure out what's going on around him right

1825
01:27:49,680 --> 01:27:52,479
Speaker 2: But I concur I had him on my ups last week,

1826
01:27:52,520 --> 01:27:54,800
Speaker 2: so I wanted to name some different guys this week.

1827
01:27:54,800 --> 01:27:57,200
Speaker 2: But I concurrent he's been the best player in camp.

1828
01:27:57,400 --> 01:27:58,559
Speaker 2: Who is number two on your list?

1829
01:27:59,000 --> 01:28:02,000
Speaker 1: Keon White who outside of that one rep against Mike

1830
01:28:02,000 --> 01:28:03,880
Speaker 1: when Win who has also been really freaking good, which

1831
01:28:04,160 --> 01:28:05,720
Speaker 1: makes it all the more impressive for Mike o on

1832
01:28:05,760 --> 01:28:07,800
Speaker 1: Win who. But you talk about a guy who looks

1833
01:28:07,800 --> 01:28:10,519
Speaker 1: poised for like a year or two jump, Yeah, Yeah,

1834
01:28:10,560 --> 01:28:14,120
Speaker 1: he's he's been a wrecker in the run game. He's

1835
01:28:14,280 --> 01:28:18,840
Speaker 1: been effective as a pass rusher. There's definitely he's playing

1836
01:28:18,920 --> 01:28:20,880
Speaker 1: just a lot more confident. He kind of talked about this.

1837
01:28:21,360 --> 01:28:22,840
Speaker 1: I think it was last week when he spoke that

1838
01:28:23,320 --> 01:28:25,439
Speaker 1: last year he was more just focused on not messing

1839
01:28:25,560 --> 01:28:28,320
Speaker 1: up his assignment. This year he's more, folks, it's more

1840
01:28:28,360 --> 01:28:31,400
Speaker 1: of an aggressive attacking mentality and you see that in

1841
01:28:31,439 --> 01:28:32,719
Speaker 1: practice when he's on the field.

1842
01:28:32,840 --> 01:28:37,559
Speaker 2: So he's been good. Yeah, his issues he played tight

1843
01:28:37,680 --> 01:28:39,960
Speaker 2: end in college for a while, then he flipped over

1844
01:28:40,000 --> 01:28:41,799
Speaker 2: to defense, and even though he was a super senior,

1845
01:28:41,840 --> 01:28:44,679
Speaker 2: he didn't play a ton of defense at the college level,

1846
01:28:45,160 --> 01:28:49,600
Speaker 2: and so all of his issues were like block recognition, instincts,

1847
01:28:50,080 --> 01:28:53,560
Speaker 2: hand placement, like getting off blocks. He's a freak athlete,

1848
01:28:53,680 --> 01:28:57,040
Speaker 2: like he has all the athleticism and all the upside

1849
01:28:57,080 --> 01:28:59,200
Speaker 2: in the world, but it was a lot of just

1850
01:28:59,240 --> 01:29:02,680
Speaker 2: like learning nuances and like getting up the speed with

1851
01:29:02,760 --> 01:29:05,680
Speaker 2: the game. So if you can add that element to

1852
01:29:05,960 --> 01:29:08,439
Speaker 2: just the freak raw athleticism, then you're gonna have a

1853
01:29:08,479 --> 01:29:10,760
Speaker 2: player on your hands. And that's the leap that he's

1854
01:29:10,840 --> 01:29:14,120
Speaker 2: trying to make. Now. The one thing I'll say about

1855
01:29:14,160 --> 01:29:15,680
Speaker 2: Kean White, because I'm not you know, I'm not the

1856
01:29:15,720 --> 01:29:18,960
Speaker 2: biggest keyon white guy. The biggest thing that I see

1857
01:29:18,960 --> 01:29:23,160
Speaker 2: with him is that I worry about the sack production

1858
01:29:23,240 --> 01:29:26,599
Speaker 2: and like the true finishing he can disrupt. He's gonna

1859
01:29:26,600 --> 01:29:29,160
Speaker 2: be a wrecking ball and I think that idea that'll

1860
01:29:29,160 --> 01:29:33,919
Speaker 2: translate against the run. But is he just Anthony Jennings

1861
01:29:34,040 --> 01:29:35,439
Speaker 2: or is he like something more than that.

1862
01:29:35,479 --> 01:29:37,599
Speaker 1: I think he's like a better version of Anthony Jennings.

1863
01:29:37,640 --> 01:29:40,000
Speaker 1: I think the idea is because Jennings is as much

1864
01:29:40,000 --> 01:29:42,120
Speaker 1: of a penetrator as he is. Yeah, And I think

1865
01:29:42,160 --> 01:29:46,000
Speaker 1: the idea is he's gonna flush in the past rush.

1866
01:29:46,040 --> 01:29:49,600
Speaker 1: He's gonna flush. He's gonna chase towards the finisher on

1867
01:29:49,640 --> 01:29:53,840
Speaker 1: the other side with that, hopefully Matthew Judain, but if

1868
01:29:53,840 --> 01:29:55,960
Speaker 1: not josh Ucha or maybe you know, down the road

1869
01:29:55,960 --> 01:29:58,400
Speaker 1: they had a guy. But I think he's more that

1870
01:29:59,200 --> 01:30:01,519
Speaker 1: because he can get into quick and then set it

1871
01:30:01,600 --> 01:30:03,240
Speaker 1: up for somebody on the other side to finish. And

1872
01:30:03,560 --> 01:30:06,080
Speaker 1: you know, if we're not seeing it because Matthew Judon

1873
01:30:06,120 --> 01:30:07,439
Speaker 1: hasn't been out there a ton and you don't really

1874
01:30:07,479 --> 01:30:10,240
Speaker 1: scheme up this way in training camp, he's gonna be

1875
01:30:10,439 --> 01:30:14,559
Speaker 1: more effective when Matthew Judon's on the other side, He's

1876
01:30:14,600 --> 01:30:16,280
Speaker 1: gonna be getting more one on ones and we know

1877
01:30:16,360 --> 01:30:18,400
Speaker 1: he can he can win strongly in that regard and

1878
01:30:18,400 --> 01:30:19,880
Speaker 1: it'll allow him to be a little more effective as

1879
01:30:19,880 --> 01:30:20,400
Speaker 1: a finisher.

1880
01:30:20,479 --> 01:30:22,559
Speaker 2: There's no doubt in my mind that he can be

1881
01:30:22,720 --> 01:30:25,080
Speaker 2: that he can cause havoc. Yeah, but there's a difference

1882
01:30:25,080 --> 01:30:28,639
Speaker 2: between havoc and production, right, Like maybe it's like havoc

1883
01:30:28,720 --> 01:30:32,040
Speaker 2: like Trey Flowers used to cause havrick where Trey Flowers

1884
01:30:32,040 --> 01:30:33,519
Speaker 2: would be one of those guys that if you looked

1885
01:30:33,520 --> 01:30:36,080
Speaker 2: at PFF and their pressure numbers and their hurry numbers

1886
01:30:36,080 --> 01:30:38,280
Speaker 2: and all that kind of stuff, he was like top ten,

1887
01:30:38,320 --> 01:30:42,240
Speaker 2: top fifteen amongst edge rushers. Maybe that's Keon White, which

1888
01:30:42,280 --> 01:30:45,960
Speaker 2: is totally fine. But if Judon and Barmore both out

1889
01:30:46,000 --> 01:30:48,679
Speaker 2: of this defense, then who's going to sack the quarterback? Right?

1890
01:30:48,680 --> 01:30:48,760
Speaker 1: Like?

1891
01:30:48,840 --> 01:30:50,800
Speaker 2: That's sacking the quarterbacks? How you get off the field

1892
01:30:50,800 --> 01:30:51,599
Speaker 2: on third down? Right?

1893
01:30:51,600 --> 01:30:53,760
Speaker 1: Well, that that's where you know, we'll we'll get to

1894
01:30:53,840 --> 01:30:56,439
Speaker 1: next offseason. And yeah, it's still a work in progress.

1895
01:30:56,479 --> 01:30:58,800
Speaker 2: Yeah, front these are the things that like with this team,

1896
01:30:58,840 --> 01:31:00,680
Speaker 2: you start to peel back the onions and you know,

1897
01:31:00,720 --> 01:31:03,000
Speaker 2: the layer of the onion, and you realize like, oh, okay,

1898
01:31:03,040 --> 01:31:04,160
Speaker 2: this is why this team is not.

1899
01:31:04,200 --> 01:31:05,880
Speaker 1: Playing, This is why you don't trade three picks for

1900
01:31:06,400 --> 01:31:07,320
Speaker 1: yeah right these.

1901
01:31:07,560 --> 01:31:11,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly all right? I can't wait for this one.

1902
01:31:11,160 --> 01:31:12,760
Speaker 2: My second of you ready for this?

1903
01:31:14,240 --> 01:31:15,040
Speaker 1: Is it a quarterback?

1904
01:31:15,560 --> 01:31:17,639
Speaker 2: No? But there is a quarterback on my list.

1905
01:31:19,000 --> 01:31:20,560
Speaker 1: The quarterback straightment. I don't know who is it?

1906
01:31:20,640 --> 01:31:24,760
Speaker 2: Taekwon Chad Ryland? Really, I feel like child Ryland's been

1907
01:31:24,800 --> 01:31:26,160
Speaker 2: pretty good? Am I wrong?

1908
01:31:26,280 --> 01:31:27,360
Speaker 1: You don't watch the kickers.

1909
01:31:27,840 --> 01:31:31,120
Speaker 2: I feel like Chad Ryland's been better than Joey Sly He.

1910
01:31:32,160 --> 01:31:35,160
Speaker 1: I wouldn't say that it's close. He has one more

1911
01:31:35,240 --> 01:31:38,160
Speaker 1: make but sly hit of a live kick the fifty

1912
01:31:38,240 --> 01:31:41,040
Speaker 1: seven yard of the run on I had the kickers overall?

1913
01:31:41,080 --> 01:31:41,960
Speaker 1: Is the downs it?

1914
01:31:42,120 --> 01:31:42,400
Speaker 2: Really?

1915
01:31:42,520 --> 01:31:42,720
Speaker 1: Yeah?

1916
01:31:42,960 --> 01:31:46,280
Speaker 2: And so you still think this is an issue? Yeah,

1917
01:31:46,320 --> 01:31:48,479
Speaker 2: it's I put Chad Ryland on here just to mess

1918
01:31:48,479 --> 01:31:49,719
Speaker 2: with you. I'm not going I don't.

1919
01:31:50,479 --> 01:31:54,719
Speaker 1: So you didn't watch the kickers, you're not even neither.

1920
01:31:55,080 --> 01:31:57,640
Speaker 1: I don't feel overly confident either one like they've I

1921
01:31:57,960 --> 01:32:01,360
Speaker 1: don't think they've both sucked, but nobody's like really claimed

1922
01:32:01,439 --> 01:32:03,960
Speaker 1: the job. And yeah, the game's gonna be big, But

1923
01:32:05,040 --> 01:32:08,360
Speaker 1: there's yesterday is probably their best day. They each had

1924
01:32:08,360 --> 01:32:11,280
Speaker 1: to miss me. Yesterday's probably their best day. But hasn't

1925
01:32:11,320 --> 01:32:12,840
Speaker 1: been convincing from either one of them.

1926
01:32:12,960 --> 01:32:16,360
Speaker 2: I just feel like, maybe maybe I'm strictly going onf vibes,

1927
01:32:16,640 --> 01:32:19,080
Speaker 2: but they like competition, does seem to have like pushed

1928
01:32:19,120 --> 01:32:21,479
Speaker 2: him maybe a little bit, Like It's not like he's

1929
01:32:21,479 --> 01:32:21,960
Speaker 2: been awful.

1930
01:32:22,200 --> 01:32:23,840
Speaker 1: No, neither one of them has been awful. But neither

1931
01:32:23,880 --> 01:32:25,840
Speaker 1: one of them has been great either. And I think

1932
01:32:25,880 --> 01:32:29,559
Speaker 1: you were kind of hoping. I don't feel so yesterday, right,

1933
01:32:29,680 --> 01:32:34,960
Speaker 1: the live kick Jacob Rissett, there's a I forget what happened.

1934
01:32:34,960 --> 01:32:36,439
Speaker 1: I think it was a sack something. This is a

1935
01:32:36,439 --> 01:32:40,440
Speaker 1: live one minute Trail's a sack. Maybe is a false start.

1936
01:32:40,720 --> 01:32:44,080
Speaker 1: They're in fourth and long hits kJ Osborne over the middle,

1937
01:32:44,120 --> 01:32:47,480
Speaker 1: like really good thrown catch Osborne up over two defenders

1938
01:32:47,800 --> 01:32:49,360
Speaker 1: on a fourth. All right, so you keep going, but

1939
01:32:49,360 --> 01:32:51,240
Speaker 1: at this point there's time off the clock that keep moving.

1940
01:32:52,080 --> 01:32:53,639
Speaker 1: They end up with a fifty three yard field goal.

1941
01:32:54,000 --> 01:32:54,960
Speaker 1: He misses wide left.

1942
01:32:55,240 --> 01:32:57,559
Speaker 2: Okay, can I give you my reel up now? Because

1943
01:32:57,560 --> 01:32:59,880
Speaker 2: I was just messing with well I well, all right,

1944
01:32:59,880 --> 01:33:02,920
Speaker 2: so we'll get back to I I couldn't help myself.

1945
01:33:02,920 --> 01:33:06,400
Speaker 2: I thought you were did you are you like Brian Hines,

1946
01:33:06,439 --> 01:33:09,760
Speaker 2: do you like sneak like behind the goalpost, because the

1947
01:33:09,800 --> 01:33:12,120
Speaker 2: other day, I swear to God I saw and I'm

1948
01:33:12,160 --> 01:33:14,200
Speaker 2: sorry Brian, but I just have this is just too funny.

1949
01:33:14,360 --> 01:33:16,080
Speaker 2: I saw him like go to the into like the

1950
01:33:16,080 --> 01:33:18,720
Speaker 2: fan section so that he could see the get a

1951
01:33:18,760 --> 01:33:21,920
Speaker 2: better view, and security came up to him because they

1952
01:33:21,920 --> 01:33:23,439
Speaker 2: thought that he was a fan that was just like

1953
01:33:23,520 --> 01:33:26,200
Speaker 2: trying to sneak onto the field when he came back

1954
01:33:26,240 --> 01:33:29,400
Speaker 2: into the media area. So how because where I sit,

1955
01:33:29,520 --> 01:33:32,599
Speaker 2: when we sit up on the ramps, you can't tell

1956
01:33:32,800 --> 01:33:35,480
Speaker 2: if the kicks going in or not. You just can't.

1957
01:33:35,880 --> 01:33:38,880
Speaker 2: Are you texting Brian right now? It was too funny.

1958
01:33:39,280 --> 01:33:40,519
Speaker 2: I thought he was gonna get booted.

1959
01:33:41,200 --> 01:33:43,360
Speaker 1: Went when he was over there by the goalpost when

1960
01:33:43,360 --> 01:33:44,400
Speaker 1: he was walking back to the media.

1961
01:33:44,439 --> 01:33:46,720
Speaker 2: When he's walking back to the media ten that some

1962
01:33:46,840 --> 01:33:49,000
Speaker 2: security guy kid went right up to him and was like,

1963
01:33:49,040 --> 01:33:50,360
Speaker 2: I need to see your creditial So he.

1964
01:33:50,800 --> 01:33:53,280
Speaker 1: Walks in front through the crowd. I walked through the

1965
01:33:53,320 --> 01:33:55,640
Speaker 1: back where like that it's easier to do that.

1966
01:33:55,680 --> 01:33:57,360
Speaker 2: No me, like where Badard sits?

1967
01:33:57,600 --> 01:34:02,639
Speaker 1: Yeah, me, Brian, Mike Kadlick sometimes Taylor and Mike Reese

1968
01:34:02,720 --> 01:34:04,680
Speaker 1: all go over to watch the field goals every time.

1969
01:34:04,720 --> 01:34:05,240
Speaker 1: That's what we do.

1970
01:34:05,280 --> 01:34:07,439
Speaker 2: I give you, I give you props I do.

1971
01:34:07,439 --> 01:34:09,200
Speaker 1: And we're like, we compare notes and we make sure

1972
01:34:09,240 --> 01:34:11,320
Speaker 1: if the distance is right, because the thing you have

1973
01:34:11,320 --> 01:34:13,200
Speaker 1: the better angle on. I've texted you for this once

1974
01:34:13,280 --> 01:34:15,519
Speaker 1: or twice. It is tough to see from our angle,

1975
01:34:16,080 --> 01:34:18,080
Speaker 1: especially when they're not using the change, not where the bar,

1976
01:34:18,240 --> 01:34:20,720
Speaker 1: where the balls spotted, what the yard line is. But no,

1977
01:34:20,840 --> 01:34:23,040
Speaker 1: we we all go over there because you can't see otherwise,

1978
01:34:23,120 --> 01:34:24,840
Speaker 1: I know, and we're right behind it, and we get

1979
01:34:24,840 --> 01:34:28,360
Speaker 1: a really good view. And when they miss, like we're

1980
01:34:28,360 --> 01:34:29,840
Speaker 1: all we call it.

1981
01:34:30,920 --> 01:34:34,080
Speaker 2: That's awesome. That's I'm a little jealous. I am.

1982
01:34:34,160 --> 01:34:36,160
Speaker 1: If you ever come down from your perch and watch

1983
01:34:36,240 --> 01:34:38,439
Speaker 1: practice on the common folk, you could join us and

1984
01:34:38,520 --> 01:34:42,160
Speaker 1: I meet I've met Catch. Actually, this is funny. I've

1985
01:34:42,240 --> 01:34:44,240
Speaker 1: met Catch twenty two listeners down there because you are

1986
01:34:44,240 --> 01:34:47,400
Speaker 1: in the crowd. And some guy came up to me

1987
01:34:47,720 --> 01:34:51,120
Speaker 1: the other day and goes like he comes up and

1988
01:34:51,120 --> 01:34:53,600
Speaker 1: he goes, hey, Evan, and I'm in the middle, like

1989
01:34:53,640 --> 01:34:56,439
Speaker 1: as I get ready to kick and I'm like, yeah, hey,

1990
01:34:56,520 --> 01:35:00,080
Speaker 1: it's Alex, and like he starts laughing and I I

1991
01:35:00,080 --> 01:35:01,719
Speaker 1: need to have felt like I blew him off because

1992
01:35:01,720 --> 01:35:03,240
Speaker 1: I'm trying to watch the kicks, like we're trying to

1993
01:35:03,280 --> 01:35:05,720
Speaker 1: count the artist where they're spotting the ball. So I

1994
01:35:05,760 --> 01:35:07,640
Speaker 1: go up to him after they're done kicking. I just

1995
01:35:07,640 --> 01:35:09,240
Speaker 1: go up to him. You're still standing, and I was like, hey,

1996
01:35:09,600 --> 01:35:11,479
Speaker 1: nice to meet you, Like, I didn't really mean to

1997
01:35:11,479 --> 01:35:14,479
Speaker 1: blow you off, like I just I was focusing on

1998
01:35:14,520 --> 01:35:17,080
Speaker 1: the kicks, and he goes, no, I'm sorry, like I thought,

1999
01:35:17,120 --> 01:35:18,960
Speaker 1: you know, I was joking calling you Evan, and I

2000
01:35:19,000 --> 01:35:20,920
Speaker 1: was like I kind of figured you were, but it

2001
01:35:21,080 --> 01:35:24,240
Speaker 1: happens enough that I'm never really sure. But I don't

2002
01:35:24,280 --> 01:35:26,599
Speaker 1: remember the fans name. But I appreciate you saying hi,

2003
01:35:26,600 --> 01:35:28,519
Speaker 1: I appreciate listening to the show. I did not mean

2004
01:35:28,520 --> 01:35:30,559
Speaker 1: to blow you off. I apologize came across like that

2005
01:35:30,600 --> 01:35:32,280
Speaker 1: and I did. It took me a second. I did

2006
01:35:32,360 --> 01:35:33,280
Speaker 1: understand you were joking.

2007
01:35:33,360 --> 01:35:37,200
Speaker 2: Okay, that's enough on the kickers my real second up here. Yeah,

2008
01:35:37,280 --> 01:35:40,719
Speaker 2: kJ Osborne, he's been really good. kJ Osborne's come alive.

2009
01:35:41,080 --> 01:35:42,599
Speaker 2: You know. I was like on the fence a little

2010
01:35:42,640 --> 01:35:45,280
Speaker 2: bit about it didn't really see it quite yet, but

2011
01:35:45,320 --> 01:35:49,320
Speaker 2: he's come alive. He's made some plays down the field.

2012
01:35:49,760 --> 01:35:53,200
Speaker 2: Just one of those guys that's just like a sturdy, size,

2013
01:35:53,240 --> 01:35:56,200
Speaker 2: speed type of player, perfect fit for what they want

2014
01:35:56,240 --> 01:35:57,760
Speaker 2: to do. Because I'm sure he can block a little

2015
01:35:57,800 --> 01:36:00,639
Speaker 2: bit too. I haven't really studied, you know, film yet

2016
01:36:00,680 --> 01:36:02,640
Speaker 2: of it, so we'll see in games in terms of

2017
01:36:02,640 --> 01:36:04,639
Speaker 2: blocking and things like that. It's much easier to tell.

2018
01:36:04,640 --> 01:36:07,960
Speaker 2: But you know, you can see that he's got comfortability

2019
01:36:07,960 --> 01:36:10,000
Speaker 2: in this system because it's a lot of overlap from

2020
01:36:10,040 --> 01:36:12,760
Speaker 2: what he was doing in Minnesota when he started talking

2021
01:36:12,800 --> 01:36:17,320
Speaker 2: about base receivers. Not necessarily like the most flashiest of guys,

2022
01:36:17,360 --> 01:36:19,360
Speaker 2: but just the guy on first in ten, not the

2023
01:36:19,400 --> 01:36:21,280
Speaker 2: twenty five who's gonna be on the field when the

2024
01:36:21,280 --> 01:36:26,160
Speaker 2: Patriots come to play Week one against the Bengals. Osborne

2025
01:36:26,160 --> 01:36:27,840
Speaker 2: I think is going to be in that mix because

2026
01:36:27,880 --> 01:36:30,080
Speaker 2: he brings all those elements to it. He can line

2027
01:36:30,160 --> 01:36:32,240
Speaker 2: up in multiple spots, he can play on the outside,

2028
01:36:32,240 --> 01:36:34,719
Speaker 2: he can block, he can run routes down the field.

2029
01:36:35,360 --> 01:36:38,400
Speaker 2: He's been impressive. He's been much better and has really

2030
01:36:38,400 --> 01:36:39,559
Speaker 2: come on here in the second week.

2031
01:36:39,960 --> 01:36:42,200
Speaker 1: Yeah, he looks really good. He could play a sneaky

2032
01:36:42,200 --> 01:36:44,200
Speaker 1: big role for this team because when we get to

2033
01:36:44,240 --> 01:36:46,600
Speaker 1: week one, Kendrick Bourne is not ready to start the

2034
01:36:46,600 --> 01:36:50,160
Speaker 1: season pop Douglas is. He's gonna be good, but his

2035
01:36:50,320 --> 01:36:51,720
Speaker 1: role is going to be what it is like, he's

2036
01:36:51,720 --> 01:36:53,759
Speaker 1: not gonna be a full time on the field player.

2037
01:36:54,080 --> 01:36:55,680
Speaker 1: And the rookies will look good with their rookies and

2038
01:36:55,680 --> 01:36:57,479
Speaker 1: you'd like to be able to ease them in. Yeah,

2039
01:36:57,560 --> 01:36:59,760
Speaker 1: that leaves kJ Osborne is kind of the guy to

2040
01:36:59,760 --> 01:37:01,680
Speaker 1: start things off for Jacoby Brisset. I don't think it'll

2041
01:37:01,720 --> 01:37:04,200
Speaker 1: stay that way, Like the rookies will emerge, Kendrick Bourne

2042
01:37:04,200 --> 01:37:06,960
Speaker 1: will come back, but he could be their most targeted

2043
01:37:07,040 --> 01:37:08,640
Speaker 1: receiver through the first month or so.

2044
01:37:08,880 --> 01:37:11,760
Speaker 2: Agreed early on in the year. It definitely feels like

2045
01:37:12,479 --> 01:37:17,000
Speaker 2: Osbourne pop. And then you know, whether Bourne is healthy

2046
01:37:17,040 --> 01:37:19,400
Speaker 2: or not will be a question. But like Osborne pop

2047
01:37:19,439 --> 01:37:22,040
Speaker 2: and then maybe even like Rager or Thornton has like

2048
01:37:22,080 --> 01:37:25,200
Speaker 2: the speed guy on the outside. I know that fans

2049
01:37:25,240 --> 01:37:27,160
Speaker 2: are gonna hear that and be like, like, we want

2050
01:37:27,160 --> 01:37:29,640
Speaker 2: to see the rookies and be disappointed in this, but

2051
01:37:29,760 --> 01:37:32,960
Speaker 2: don't be surprised if you see quite a bit of

2052
01:37:33,000 --> 01:37:36,439
Speaker 2: those guys. Polk might be the one exception, like he

2053
01:37:36,520 --> 01:37:39,040
Speaker 2: might be able to crack the top three instantly just

2054
01:37:39,040 --> 01:37:44,120
Speaker 2: because of how steady he is. But Osbourne and Bourne

2055
01:37:44,120 --> 01:37:46,000
Speaker 2: are gonna play a lot for this team this year,

2056
01:37:46,800 --> 01:37:49,000
Speaker 2: and so I would just prepare for that. Who's your

2057
01:37:49,080 --> 01:37:49,760
Speaker 2: number three down?

2058
01:37:51,080 --> 01:37:54,080
Speaker 1: Number three down? Ups or down? I just I just

2059
01:37:54,120 --> 01:37:57,960
Speaker 1: lost track there. So I just because I this is

2060
01:37:58,560 --> 01:38:00,200
Speaker 1: I don't know that these have been like the best,

2061
01:38:00,520 --> 01:38:01,760
Speaker 1: you know, some of the three best, But I want

2062
01:38:01,800 --> 01:38:03,559
Speaker 1: to give these guys mention because they deserve it, especially

2063
01:38:03,560 --> 01:38:05,840
Speaker 1: going to the preseason game. Two udfas that have stood

2064
01:38:05,840 --> 01:38:09,320
Speaker 1: out to me running back Terrell Jennings, safety Dell Pettis.

2065
01:38:09,680 --> 01:38:12,639
Speaker 1: They've been all over the field. Jennings runs really.

2066
01:38:12,520 --> 01:38:14,599
Speaker 2: Hard, got a little wiggle to him too.

2067
01:38:14,560 --> 01:38:16,519
Speaker 1: Great motor. Yeah, did did have a nice spin move

2068
01:38:16,560 --> 01:38:18,840
Speaker 1: the other day. And he's gonna be a preseason beast.

2069
01:38:18,920 --> 01:38:21,679
Speaker 1: He I mean, I'm putting it like Nobody's Ralph Webb,

2070
01:38:21,800 --> 01:38:24,240
Speaker 1: but that's kind of just about to say Ralph Nobody's

2071
01:38:24,320 --> 01:38:27,040
Speaker 1: Ralph Webb. But he's he's gonna, you know, get.

2072
01:38:26,920 --> 01:38:29,559
Speaker 2: The greatest preseason player of all time.

2073
01:38:29,960 --> 01:38:31,800
Speaker 1: Did he even ever end up on a practice squad?

2074
01:38:31,840 --> 01:38:33,479
Speaker 2: I think he was on a practice squad. I think

2075
01:38:33,479 --> 01:38:35,200
Speaker 2: he bounced around some teams.

2076
01:38:35,280 --> 01:38:38,200
Speaker 1: But you know, with these guys, with these udfas especially,

2077
01:38:38,240 --> 01:38:40,120
Speaker 1: you know we're post to Bill Belichick era where you

2078
01:38:40,120 --> 01:38:42,439
Speaker 1: could count on a guy making it and in a

2079
01:38:42,439 --> 01:38:45,719
Speaker 1: weaker UDFA class, and these two guys too, their positions,

2080
01:38:45,720 --> 01:38:48,080
Speaker 1: there's a lot of depth ahead of them. You just

2081
01:38:48,120 --> 01:38:50,479
Speaker 1: got to kind of play with energy and to get noticed,

2082
01:38:50,520 --> 01:38:51,599
Speaker 1: and that's what you got to do. And I think

2083
01:38:51,640 --> 01:38:54,160
Speaker 1: Terrell Jennings Ralph Webb is on a few practice squads

2084
01:38:54,160 --> 01:38:55,759
Speaker 1: and in the CFL.

2085
01:38:56,200 --> 01:38:57,960
Speaker 2: Come on, he didn't know that, No, I didn't.

2086
01:38:58,160 --> 01:39:02,679
Speaker 1: I'm a surprised as you. Terrell Jennings has done kind

2087
01:39:02,680 --> 01:39:04,720
Speaker 1: of what you want from UDFA to stand out in

2088
01:39:04,800 --> 01:39:08,120
Speaker 1: that spot and practice squad candidate. We know you always

2089
01:39:08,160 --> 01:39:10,000
Speaker 1: need running back depth, right, and maybe he gets on

2090
01:39:10,000 --> 01:39:12,960
Speaker 1: the practice squad and comes along later on. Del Pettis

2091
01:39:12,960 --> 01:39:15,280
Speaker 1: sort of same thing, flying around the secondary. He had

2092
01:39:15,280 --> 01:39:17,040
Speaker 1: a pass break at the other day, Hunter Henry, I

2093
01:39:17,040 --> 01:39:22,280
Speaker 1: think it was Saturday. Yeah, Hunter Henry was like unguardable

2094
01:39:22,320 --> 01:39:24,880
Speaker 1: the whole day except this one play in eleven on

2095
01:39:24,920 --> 01:39:28,800
Speaker 1: eleven read live like two minute, del Pettis clamped him

2096
01:39:28,800 --> 01:39:30,559
Speaker 1: in the end zone. And knocked the ball away, and

2097
01:39:31,520 --> 01:39:33,920
Speaker 1: he's bent the live tackling period he was hitting and

2098
01:39:33,960 --> 01:39:37,679
Speaker 1: he made a couple tackles, and again there's safety depth.

2099
01:39:38,280 --> 01:39:39,640
Speaker 1: And I don't know if there's a spot from on

2100
01:39:39,680 --> 01:39:42,599
Speaker 1: the roster, but practice squad comes up later. These are

2101
01:39:42,640 --> 01:39:44,719
Speaker 1: just two guys to watch in the preseason game because

2102
01:39:44,720 --> 01:39:48,080
Speaker 1: there they've They deserve recognition for what they've done, because

2103
01:39:48,120 --> 01:39:50,799
Speaker 1: they've approached this the right way, being in a position

2104
01:39:50,840 --> 01:39:53,720
Speaker 1: where there's not a clear or even unclear path to

2105
01:39:53,760 --> 01:39:56,400
Speaker 1: a ross spot. And they're probably more camp bodies, but

2106
01:39:56,840 --> 01:39:58,840
Speaker 1: they've made themselves known fair enough.

2107
01:39:58,880 --> 01:40:02,519
Speaker 2: It's a good shout. I would lean towards Trel Jennings

2108
01:40:02,600 --> 01:40:04,800
Speaker 2: being on the team right now. I just feel like

2109
01:40:05,120 --> 01:40:08,880
Speaker 2: when I was doing the roster projection, and granted a

2110
01:40:08,880 --> 01:40:11,000
Speaker 2: lot could change if you know, he bombs tomorrow night,

2111
01:40:11,040 --> 01:40:15,040
Speaker 2: but wouldn't you almost prefer in some and most spots

2112
01:40:15,040 --> 01:40:18,000
Speaker 2: for them to go like youth and ceiling or upside

2113
01:40:18,080 --> 01:40:24,240
Speaker 2: over like no offense meaning towards this, but like Jamichael Hasty, Yeah,

2114
01:40:24,280 --> 01:40:27,120
Speaker 2: for example, you know what Jamichael Hasty is in the

2115
01:40:27,160 --> 01:40:30,400
Speaker 2: league right Like he's at best like a Brandon Bolden

2116
01:40:30,520 --> 01:40:32,280
Speaker 2: type that's gonna play in the kicking game and is

2117
01:40:32,280 --> 01:40:34,599
Speaker 2: an emergency running back and like that kind of thing,

2118
01:40:34,840 --> 01:40:37,120
Speaker 2: whereas Terrell Jennings might have something.

2119
01:40:36,840 --> 01:40:39,840
Speaker 1: Well, I don't know, Hasty's a little more than that.

2120
01:40:40,200 --> 01:40:43,479
Speaker 1: He's he's you know, quicker, he can catch the ball.

2121
01:40:43,520 --> 01:40:46,240
Speaker 1: They don't really have that pass catching back well I Gibson,

2122
01:40:46,760 --> 01:40:48,559
Speaker 1: I guess they have depth there. I would more like

2123
01:40:48,600 --> 01:40:49,720
Speaker 1: it too. If we want to go the other way,

2124
01:40:49,760 --> 01:40:52,160
Speaker 1: like Joshua Bled's over Stale Pettis.

2125
01:40:52,439 --> 01:40:54,479
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean either way is fine, and you know,

2126
01:40:54,720 --> 01:40:56,760
Speaker 2: or even Marte Mapu. At this point, it needs to

2127
01:40:56,760 --> 01:40:59,479
Speaker 2: get on the field. Uh yeah, we'll get to Mark Well,

2128
01:40:59,520 --> 01:41:01,280
Speaker 2: he just needs to get on the field. We'll get

2129
01:41:01,280 --> 01:41:04,320
Speaker 2: to Martiopum. Yeah, Douce has a great nick name for him.

2130
01:41:04,320 --> 01:41:07,080
Speaker 2: But I'll tell you off the air, Okay. I just

2131
01:41:07,120 --> 01:41:10,720
Speaker 2: really feel like Terrell Jennings is. I feel like I

2132
01:41:10,800 --> 01:41:14,559
Speaker 2: feel myself in all spots of the roster, even at

2133
01:41:14,640 --> 01:41:17,640
Speaker 2: quarterback like with Milton and Zappi. Right, like just the

2134
01:41:18,160 --> 01:41:22,000
Speaker 2: youth in the upside. It needs to trump veteran at

2135
01:41:22,000 --> 01:41:24,400
Speaker 2: this point, right like needs to And I'm not talking

2136
01:41:24,439 --> 01:41:28,120
Speaker 2: about like keeping Jehean Bell over Hunter Henry. I'm talking

2137
01:41:28,160 --> 01:41:31,800
Speaker 2: about Like, if it's a battle between Jamichael Hasty and

2138
01:41:31,840 --> 01:41:34,599
Speaker 2: Terrell Jennings, I'm going Terrell Jennings. If it's a battle

2139
01:41:34,640 --> 01:41:37,160
Speaker 2: between Milton and Zappie, I'm going Milton right. Like those

2140
01:41:37,200 --> 01:41:39,200
Speaker 2: types of spots, and I feel like there's like four

2141
01:41:39,280 --> 01:41:42,360
Speaker 2: or five of those coin tosses. I'll give you another

2142
01:41:42,400 --> 01:41:49,320
Speaker 2: one cornerback. I'm going Marcella's Dial Isaiah Bolden over Marco

2143
01:41:49,320 --> 01:41:52,720
Speaker 2: Wilson Sean wade because I just know Marco Wilson and

2144
01:41:52,720 --> 01:41:56,120
Speaker 2: Sean Wadeer are back into the roster guys in the NFL.

2145
01:41:56,479 --> 01:41:59,040
Speaker 2: There might be some upside there with Bolden and Dial Dial.

2146
01:41:59,080 --> 01:41:59,760
Speaker 2: I think has been okay.

2147
01:42:00,040 --> 01:42:01,120
Speaker 1: Put Alex Saustin in that.

2148
01:42:01,280 --> 01:42:03,599
Speaker 2: I still have him on the team. But we'll get

2149
01:42:03,640 --> 01:42:06,320
Speaker 2: to him in a second. My did you give all

2150
01:42:06,360 --> 01:42:07,519
Speaker 2: three of your euro ups?

2151
01:42:08,760 --> 01:42:11,720
Speaker 1: I had one more on here in case we overlapped. Yeah,

2152
01:42:11,880 --> 01:42:17,240
Speaker 1: Trod Mayo coaching up. I just think there was a

2153
01:42:17,280 --> 01:42:21,000
Speaker 1: lot of talk about, you know, player friendly. How is

2154
01:42:21,040 --> 01:42:21,519
Speaker 1: that gonna be?

2155
01:42:21,920 --> 01:42:22,880
Speaker 2: I'm glad you brought this up.

2156
01:42:23,120 --> 01:42:25,760
Speaker 1: Yep, he might be player friendly in the locker room.

2157
01:42:25,800 --> 01:42:28,240
Speaker 1: We've heard about the like the ping pong table and

2158
01:42:28,320 --> 01:42:32,599
Speaker 1: things like that. Yeah, he is drilling these guys. These

2159
01:42:32,600 --> 01:42:37,120
Speaker 1: have been long, intense practices, hot days, eleven on eleven,

2160
01:42:37,200 --> 01:42:40,120
Speaker 1: live tackling. Yeah, he's not taking it easy on him

2161
01:42:40,120 --> 01:42:42,000
Speaker 1: on the field, and I think this team needs that

2162
01:42:42,280 --> 01:42:45,160
Speaker 1: and I think that's good. And when I say Trod Mayo,

2163
01:42:45,240 --> 01:42:47,120
Speaker 1: it's the coaching staff as a whole. It's not just

2164
01:42:47,200 --> 01:42:50,720
Speaker 1: him scripting these. But yeah, to get from day one

2165
01:42:51,200 --> 01:42:55,480
Speaker 1: right into eleven on eleven, no nonsense, and it's it's NonStop.

2166
01:42:55,560 --> 01:43:00,400
Speaker 1: It's two plus hour practices just about every day. Does

2167
01:43:00,439 --> 01:43:01,880
Speaker 1: this mean he's gonna be a good coach? Does this

2168
01:43:01,920 --> 01:43:04,160
Speaker 1: mean he's the guy post Bill Belichick? I don't know.

2169
01:43:04,240 --> 01:43:07,000
Speaker 1: It's still way too early. It's a small thing, but

2170
01:43:07,040 --> 01:43:11,200
Speaker 1: if we're at right now, I didn't think they were

2171
01:43:11,200 --> 01:43:12,200
Speaker 1: gonna drow him this hard.

2172
01:43:12,760 --> 01:43:18,439
Speaker 2: I've been impressed that this has been. I would say,

2173
01:43:19,200 --> 01:43:21,120
Speaker 2: I don't want to. You know, it's been seven years now,

2174
01:43:21,120 --> 01:43:23,400
Speaker 2: so I can't. I'd have to go back and really

2175
01:43:23,400 --> 01:43:25,759
Speaker 2: look at like twenty nineteen, right, Like, I don't remember

2176
01:43:25,840 --> 01:43:28,160
Speaker 2: off the top of my head the last couple of

2177
01:43:28,200 --> 01:43:31,080
Speaker 2: Bill Belichick training camps, though this has been a more

2178
01:43:31,160 --> 01:43:34,040
Speaker 2: intense physical training camp much. You know, we used to

2179
01:43:34,080 --> 01:43:36,439
Speaker 2: talk about like has Bill gone soft? Right? Like, you

2180
01:43:36,439 --> 01:43:38,880
Speaker 2: know they'd be at a pad some days, they wouldn't

2181
01:43:38,920 --> 01:43:41,439
Speaker 2: be tackling to the ground. That's not very common. Tackling

2182
01:43:41,560 --> 01:43:43,519
Speaker 2: the ground is not very common league wide, like let

2183
01:43:43,560 --> 01:43:47,720
Speaker 2: alone just Bill versus Girod. The other thing is, you know,

2184
01:43:47,720 --> 01:43:50,080
Speaker 2: we were talking to him the other day before practice

2185
01:43:50,080 --> 01:43:52,200
Speaker 2: and somebody asked him about this, like what was with

2186
01:43:52,280 --> 01:43:54,960
Speaker 2: the live tackling, Like what's the theory? Was the the

2187
01:43:55,000 --> 01:44:00,360
Speaker 2: mindset there? And he said something about getting them for

2188
01:44:00,439 --> 01:44:03,519
Speaker 2: it in games, But he also said that it's for

2189
01:44:03,600 --> 01:44:07,960
Speaker 2: evaluation purposes because to him, it's like, if you're a

2190
01:44:07,960 --> 01:44:11,400
Speaker 2: defensive player yet, it's all well and good to tap

2191
01:44:11,439 --> 01:44:12,880
Speaker 2: the guy on the button on his way by, but

2192
01:44:12,920 --> 01:44:14,360
Speaker 2: if you don't tackle him to the ground, how do

2193
01:44:14,400 --> 01:44:16,639
Speaker 2: I know if you can actually do it right? And

2194
01:44:16,720 --> 01:44:19,680
Speaker 2: I thought that was impressive too, because it's like this

2195
01:44:19,760 --> 01:44:23,120
Speaker 2: is an evaluation thing for him that he wants to

2196
01:44:23,160 --> 01:44:26,360
Speaker 2: see who is a real football player, not who's great

2197
01:44:26,439 --> 01:44:29,920
Speaker 2: in shorts and shells or whatever, who can play football,

2198
01:44:29,920 --> 01:44:33,840
Speaker 2: who can play actual tackle football? And uh, and I

2199
01:44:33,840 --> 01:44:35,800
Speaker 2: didn't expect that out of him. I thought this was

2200
01:44:35,840 --> 01:44:39,439
Speaker 2: going to be what we have seen in other places

2201
01:44:39,479 --> 01:44:43,479
Speaker 2: in Miami Philly, you know the rams, right, like, yeah,

2202
01:44:44,240 --> 01:44:45,559
Speaker 2: kind of country club vibes.

2203
01:44:45,680 --> 01:44:49,000
Speaker 1: Right, Nope, No, maybe that's going on behind the scenes. Again.

2204
01:44:49,000 --> 01:44:50,439
Speaker 1: I know a lot of people got freaked out about

2205
01:44:50,439 --> 01:44:54,080
Speaker 1: that player's lounge or whatever. Yeah, they've they've they've earned

2206
01:44:54,120 --> 01:44:56,720
Speaker 1: the players lounge based on these practices. I don't think

2207
01:44:56,720 --> 01:44:57,640
Speaker 1: it's a stretch to say that.

2208
01:44:57,720 --> 01:45:02,760
Speaker 2: All right, downs, Yeah, my number one down is the

2209
01:45:02,920 --> 01:45:04,559
Speaker 2: entire offensive tackle situation.

2210
01:45:04,840 --> 01:45:06,000
Speaker 1: Can we just say the line?

2211
01:45:06,439 --> 01:45:09,000
Speaker 2: No, I think the interior line is is gonna be Okay.

2212
01:45:09,320 --> 01:45:11,720
Speaker 2: I think On when Andrews City So is solid. But

2213
01:45:11,800 --> 01:45:15,920
Speaker 2: the depth I mean Marte Mofu Mafi and Tony Mafiy

2214
01:45:15,920 --> 01:45:17,479
Speaker 2: can't get a snap off. Okay, But I.

2215
01:45:17,600 --> 01:45:19,200
Speaker 1: All right, sorry, it's here's tackles.

2216
01:45:19,200 --> 01:45:19,439
Speaker 4: Tackle.

2217
01:45:19,520 --> 01:45:21,400
Speaker 2: No just in season though, because I'm actually kind of

2218
01:45:21,439 --> 01:45:24,040
Speaker 2: bullish on the interior, Like I think, I think City

2219
01:45:24,479 --> 01:45:26,559
Speaker 2: Andrews and On when it was a really good start

2220
01:45:26,680 --> 01:45:29,320
Speaker 2: to an interior of an offensive line like could actually

2221
01:45:29,360 --> 01:45:33,040
Speaker 2: be almost a plus. I would say for them offensively,

2222
01:45:33,040 --> 01:45:36,320
Speaker 2: those are three good players. And there nick Levert's okay,

2223
01:45:36,600 --> 01:45:37,680
Speaker 2: as like a swing.

2224
01:45:37,360 --> 01:45:39,160
Speaker 1: Back up good depth player.

2225
01:45:39,200 --> 01:45:42,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, and then Leyden Robinson will be here and hopefully

2226
01:45:42,080 --> 01:45:44,840
Speaker 2: he develops into a guy too. So I don't think

2227
01:45:44,840 --> 01:45:46,200
Speaker 2: you have to go all the way down to Mafi

2228
01:45:46,360 --> 01:45:48,960
Speaker 2: is my point? Right? Or like you know your guy

2229
01:45:49,000 --> 01:45:51,080
Speaker 2: Michael B. Jordan or whatever, Right, we don't.

2230
01:45:50,880 --> 01:45:53,040
Speaker 1: Have to call Jordan. Why are you doing that?

2231
01:45:53,240 --> 01:45:54,559
Speaker 2: Because he's not Michael Jordan.

2232
01:45:55,200 --> 01:45:56,760
Speaker 1: I but he's not Michael B. Jordan either.

2233
01:45:57,000 --> 01:46:02,200
Speaker 2: The whole tackle situation is a dumpsterfy. It's a dumpster fire.

2234
01:46:02,320 --> 01:46:05,840
Speaker 2: You first of all, chooks a corp for who's like

2235
01:46:05,880 --> 01:46:09,240
Speaker 2: the one guy that has NFL tape for an extended period,

2236
01:46:09,400 --> 01:46:13,200
Speaker 2: like a high volume of starting caliber NFL tape has

2237
01:46:13,280 --> 01:46:16,960
Speaker 2: been in in you know, sweatpants right the last couple

2238
01:46:17,040 --> 01:46:20,400
Speaker 2: of days. He's not healthy. He's not out there. Canon

2239
01:46:20,439 --> 01:46:24,280
Speaker 2: Wallace has, after a good start to PADS, has sort

2240
01:46:24,320 --> 01:46:26,439
Speaker 2: of waned a little bit. I think he's going through

2241
01:46:26,439 --> 01:46:28,800
Speaker 2: the rookie growing pains right now, and maybe we need

2242
01:46:28,840 --> 01:46:30,800
Speaker 2: to pump the brakes a little bit on him. He's

2243
01:46:30,800 --> 01:46:33,479
Speaker 2: had some rough reps in one on ones. He was

2244
01:46:33,520 --> 01:46:36,479
Speaker 2: better in Eleven's yesterday. I felt like that stood out

2245
01:46:36,479 --> 01:46:40,519
Speaker 2: to me. But we started, you know, PADS with him

2246
01:46:40,520 --> 01:46:43,320
Speaker 2: being at at left tackle, and we were I myself included,

2247
01:46:43,360 --> 01:46:45,640
Speaker 2: like I was very excited about it. Yeah, we're We're not.

2248
01:46:45,680 --> 01:46:48,080
Speaker 2: We're a long ways away from that right now with him,

2249
01:46:48,600 --> 01:46:51,519
Speaker 2: and you're starting tackles right now in team periods of

2250
01:46:51,640 --> 01:46:54,479
Speaker 2: Vederian Lowe and Calvin Anderson. If you had told me

2251
01:46:54,520 --> 01:46:56,760
Speaker 2: that Vederian low was going to make this team to

2252
01:46:56,800 --> 01:46:59,360
Speaker 2: start camp, I would have told you no, right like

2253
01:46:59,360 --> 01:47:01,479
Speaker 2: I would have had him off the roster. And now

2254
01:47:01,600 --> 01:47:03,680
Speaker 2: there's a chance, I mean, granted, there's a couple of

2255
01:47:03,680 --> 01:47:06,200
Speaker 2: weeks left here and we're not there yet, but there's

2256
01:47:06,240 --> 01:47:08,640
Speaker 2: a chance that a Darian Low's gonna start for this

2257
01:47:08,680 --> 01:47:10,760
Speaker 2: team at left tackle against the Bengals in Week one

2258
01:47:10,880 --> 01:47:13,840
Speaker 2: with Trey Henderson coming off his left edge. Like, good luck,

2259
01:47:14,479 --> 01:47:17,880
Speaker 2: good luck. That's not good. That can't happen. So one

2260
01:47:17,880 --> 01:47:21,880
Speaker 2: of two things needs to happen. One, they need to

2261
01:47:21,880 --> 01:47:24,280
Speaker 2: pull a rabbit out of their hat and find an

2262
01:47:24,280 --> 01:47:26,400
Speaker 2: external solution. Right, you know, we have to call her

2263
01:47:26,439 --> 01:47:28,559
Speaker 2: call in and say go off for the Detroit Lions.

2264
01:47:28,600 --> 01:47:31,479
Speaker 2: Three first round picks for Penny Suel. That's not happening, right,

2265
01:47:31,520 --> 01:47:34,160
Speaker 2: But you understand what I'm saying, Yeah, maybe we're not

2266
01:47:34,200 --> 01:47:38,280
Speaker 2: thinking of a name that exists. Go get them number two.

2267
01:47:39,439 --> 01:47:42,880
Speaker 2: They need to get Keden Wallace back to being on

2268
01:47:42,920 --> 01:47:45,280
Speaker 2: the fast track. Whatever it takes, right, Like, I don't

2269
01:47:45,280 --> 01:47:46,840
Speaker 2: know what it takes. I'm not Scott Peters, I'm not

2270
01:47:46,880 --> 01:47:49,479
Speaker 2: an offensive line coach. But get him up to get

2271
01:47:49,560 --> 01:47:52,280
Speaker 2: him ready because he's gonna have to play early, or

2272
01:47:52,320 --> 01:47:55,960
Speaker 2: I guess there's three number three, Mike on one of

2273
01:47:55,960 --> 01:48:00,720
Speaker 2: who's been the best player in camp? Is it? Can

2274
01:48:00,760 --> 01:48:02,960
Speaker 2: they get by with Nick Levet or Laden Robinson at

2275
01:48:03,000 --> 01:48:05,240
Speaker 2: right guard to the point where he can play right

2276
01:48:05,320 --> 01:48:09,400
Speaker 2: tackle and then maybe you're only worrying about one tackle spot.

2277
01:48:09,439 --> 01:48:11,479
Speaker 2: Maybe Chukes goes back over to left for the time

2278
01:48:11,520 --> 01:48:15,040
Speaker 2: being and you go with that line instead. They I

2279
01:48:15,120 --> 01:48:17,240
Speaker 2: can't imagine that they're looking at a Darian Lowe and

2280
01:48:17,240 --> 01:48:20,360
Speaker 2: Calvin Anderson and loving what they're seeing. It just would

2281
01:48:20,400 --> 01:48:23,280
Speaker 2: be impossible to say that. So the whole situation is

2282
01:48:23,280 --> 01:48:25,280
Speaker 2: a mess, as we knew it would be.

2283
01:48:25,479 --> 01:48:28,360
Speaker 1: Right, No, we're here two weeks in a camp. Jod

2284
01:48:28,439 --> 01:48:31,000
Speaker 1: Mayo has said, like the timeline for them wanting to

2285
01:48:31,080 --> 01:48:34,639
Speaker 1: know their starting offensive line is the second preseason game,

2286
01:48:34,680 --> 01:48:37,960
Speaker 1: So basically in a week, it doesn't feel like they've

2287
01:48:37,960 --> 01:48:41,519
Speaker 1: made any progress. No, it all still feels wide open chokes.

2288
01:48:41,560 --> 01:48:44,800
Speaker 1: The corps four will be somewhere, assuming he's healthy. Right,

2289
01:48:45,520 --> 01:48:47,040
Speaker 1: That's pretty much as much as I can say to

2290
01:48:47,080 --> 01:48:49,519
Speaker 1: finli Ley at this point. Hopefully the game hads some

2291
01:48:49,520 --> 01:48:51,719
Speaker 1: clarity for Darien Low goes out there and play poorly,

2292
01:48:52,320 --> 01:48:53,760
Speaker 1: that should be the sign, all right, we gotta get

2293
01:48:53,800 --> 01:48:55,960
Speaker 1: Kane Wallace ready. He goes out there and plays well,

2294
01:48:56,000 --> 01:48:57,479
Speaker 1: all right, maybe given another week.

2295
01:48:57,320 --> 01:49:00,559
Speaker 2: But I felt like we had some moments him there.

2296
01:49:00,760 --> 01:49:04,080
Speaker 2: The first three or four padded practices were okay. The

2297
01:49:04,120 --> 01:49:05,759
Speaker 2: short yardage practice was terrible.

2298
01:49:05,880 --> 01:49:08,960
Speaker 1: I don't know why they dropped Kiten Wallace out of

2299
01:49:08,960 --> 01:49:09,519
Speaker 1: the top group.

2300
01:49:10,000 --> 01:49:14,040
Speaker 2: So the theories are one, they it wasn't as good

2301
01:49:14,040 --> 01:49:16,320
Speaker 2: as we all thought it was, which is definitely possible.

2302
01:49:16,520 --> 01:49:21,240
Speaker 2: Right Number two, is there a chance that they wanted

2303
01:49:21,280 --> 01:49:25,599
Speaker 2: to give Drake May at least something on the line

2304
01:49:25,760 --> 01:49:28,360
Speaker 2: that was starting caliber, right, Like maybe they felt like,

2305
01:49:28,760 --> 01:49:29,759
Speaker 2: all right, let's just get.

2306
01:49:29,640 --> 01:49:33,280
Speaker 1: Them a pack. Such a weird because it's the reps.

2307
01:49:33,280 --> 01:49:35,360
Speaker 1: Are the reps though? I get that, but no, but

2308
01:49:35,720 --> 01:49:38,160
Speaker 1: they're not because you want to build continuity.

2309
01:49:38,840 --> 01:49:43,800
Speaker 2: That's fair, So that's fair. It's been bad and they

2310
01:49:43,840 --> 01:49:45,800
Speaker 2: haven't run the ball very well. The last handful of

2311
01:49:45,840 --> 01:49:48,759
Speaker 2: practices that's kind of gone away. Yeah, after a good start.

2312
01:49:49,920 --> 01:49:52,400
Speaker 2: The pass pro is okay, Like it's not as bad

2313
01:49:52,439 --> 01:49:54,920
Speaker 2: as I think it would be, but I'm still marking

2314
01:49:54,960 --> 01:49:58,240
Speaker 2: down pressures more times than I would like. It's been

2315
01:49:58,280 --> 01:50:00,880
Speaker 2: bad and they need to I would say they need

2316
01:50:00,880 --> 01:50:02,160
Speaker 2: to figure it out, but I just I don't even

2317
01:50:02,160 --> 01:50:02,320
Speaker 2: know what.

2318
01:50:02,400 --> 01:50:04,000
Speaker 1: I don't know how they know this is. And it

2319
01:50:04,040 --> 01:50:06,120
Speaker 1: goes to the Drake May timeline. Right, They're still gonna

2320
01:50:06,160 --> 01:50:07,760
Speaker 1: be working well and in the season will find their

2321
01:50:07,760 --> 01:50:10,040
Speaker 1: best five at this point because I don't want to

2322
01:50:10,080 --> 01:50:12,240
Speaker 1: say they've wasted time. Guys have been hurt, but there's

2323
01:50:12,439 --> 01:50:14,880
Speaker 1: they've lost a lot of time moving things around so far.

2324
01:50:15,040 --> 01:50:18,320
Speaker 1: Yep a right, what do you got, uh for the downs? Yes,

2325
01:50:18,680 --> 01:50:22,439
Speaker 1: so just kind of grouping together the players that needed

2326
01:50:22,479 --> 01:50:25,000
Speaker 1: to get on the field that haven't been on the field. Yeah, Martin,

2327
01:50:25,240 --> 01:50:29,840
Speaker 1: Marte Mapu, Taekwon Thornton. Those are really two big ones. Yes,

2328
01:50:30,920 --> 01:50:32,439
Speaker 1: I don't think I'm missing I mean I guess the

2329
01:50:32,520 --> 01:50:35,599
Speaker 1: core four like, yeah, and it's not down. Oh they suck,

2330
01:50:35,680 --> 01:50:37,200
Speaker 1: Like I don't want to pick on guys for being hurt,

2331
01:50:37,240 --> 01:50:38,840
Speaker 1: but you can't make the club from the tub and

2332
01:50:39,240 --> 01:50:41,519
Speaker 1: talk about Marte Mopoo. We've seen Jalen Hawkins get a

2333
01:50:41,560 --> 01:50:43,439
Speaker 1: ton of reps. Del Pettis is coming on. Is he

2334
01:50:43,520 --> 01:50:46,519
Speaker 1: getting passed? Taekwon? Thornton had built that momentum and now

2335
01:50:46,560 --> 01:50:49,639
Speaker 1: he's dealing with a soft tissue issue. He hates saying

2336
01:50:49,680 --> 01:50:52,640
Speaker 1: that he's limited. Keishn Booty is starting to come on,

2337
01:50:52,760 --> 01:50:55,800
Speaker 1: like that's the guy that could pass him. Just these

2338
01:50:55,840 --> 01:50:57,600
Speaker 1: guys are getting passed. These are guys that need to

2339
01:50:57,600 --> 01:50:58,799
Speaker 1: be on the field. They're getting passed.

2340
01:50:58,960 --> 01:51:01,680
Speaker 2: Marte Mopu and Partic Yeah, it just I.

2341
01:51:01,640 --> 01:51:04,320
Speaker 1: Still Thornton put out some good yeah work.

2342
01:51:04,439 --> 01:51:08,360
Speaker 2: I still have him on just because of third round pick,

2343
01:51:08,439 --> 01:51:10,840
Speaker 2: second year. It hasn't been play that he is not

2344
01:51:11,240 --> 01:51:15,439
Speaker 2: making the team. It's it's hell right, so for right last, But.

2345
01:51:15,840 --> 01:51:18,880
Speaker 1: At what point, because he's behind, he's I think we

2346
01:51:18,880 --> 01:51:21,000
Speaker 1: can all acknowledge that. At what point does he just

2347
01:51:21,040 --> 01:51:21,840
Speaker 1: open the heir on PP.

2348
01:51:22,880 --> 01:51:25,120
Speaker 2: Well, it can't be on pup right because he's practiced.

2349
01:51:25,439 --> 01:51:27,600
Speaker 1: Oh that's right, he did start practice.

2350
01:51:27,280 --> 01:51:30,360
Speaker 2: So he can. He can. He can injured reserve, so they.

2351
01:51:30,280 --> 01:51:33,080
Speaker 1: Could You're gonna you get two designated return spots.

2352
01:51:33,160 --> 01:51:34,600
Speaker 2: Yeah, and I would assume that one is going to

2353
01:51:34,640 --> 01:51:35,880
Speaker 2: go to Christian Barmar.

2354
01:51:35,960 --> 01:51:37,920
Speaker 1: And the other's probably gonna go, oh no Cold Strangers

2355
01:51:37,920 --> 01:51:38,240
Speaker 1: on PP.

2356
01:51:38,479 --> 01:51:40,559
Speaker 2: Yeah. So I so to use it on Thornton, to

2357
01:51:40,640 --> 01:51:42,599
Speaker 2: use it on Mapu, to use it on My guess

2358
01:51:42,800 --> 01:51:47,760
Speaker 2: is that Thornton is closer than Mapu is. Yeah, but

2359
01:51:47,840 --> 01:51:53,280
Speaker 2: we'll see you have two spots. There's even a remote

2360
01:51:53,400 --> 01:51:55,679
Speaker 2: chance that Christian Barbore can play this year, it's got

2361
01:51:55,680 --> 01:51:56,559
Speaker 2: to be. He's got to be one.

2362
01:51:56,600 --> 01:51:58,040
Speaker 1: And for the record, because we had to look the

2363
01:51:58,120 --> 01:51:58,880
Speaker 1: rule up the other day.

2364
01:51:58,920 --> 01:52:00,840
Speaker 2: So it's not it's on cutdown day.

2365
01:52:00,920 --> 01:52:03,439
Speaker 1: You have to place some on IR on cutdown day

2366
01:52:03,479 --> 01:52:06,479
Speaker 1: and all of the guys you place on IR that day.

2367
01:52:06,520 --> 01:52:08,400
Speaker 1: It's not all right, we're gonna place five guys on

2368
01:52:08,439 --> 01:52:10,960
Speaker 1: IR today and we'll decide which to come back later.

2369
01:52:11,080 --> 01:52:15,160
Speaker 1: It's you have to name two guys that day. So

2370
01:52:15,200 --> 01:52:17,720
Speaker 1: if you name bar Moore, and I'm with you, like,

2371
01:52:17,760 --> 01:52:20,200
Speaker 1: if there's even an outside chance you name them, Yeah,

2372
01:52:20,240 --> 01:52:23,080
Speaker 1: But if you name Barmore and then he can't come back,

2373
01:52:23,600 --> 01:52:24,920
Speaker 1: you don't then get to go and say, well, we

2374
01:52:24,960 --> 01:52:27,920
Speaker 1: also play yeah, Marte Mapu on IR on cutdown day.

2375
01:52:27,960 --> 01:52:29,559
Speaker 1: So he's come back. No, that that's out.

2376
01:52:29,640 --> 01:52:30,360
Speaker 2: So yeah, you burned it.

2377
01:52:30,479 --> 01:52:33,360
Speaker 1: I would still leave the spot form. Yeah like you said, absolutely,

2378
01:52:33,400 --> 01:52:35,479
Speaker 1: but you don't get to figure it out later.

2379
01:52:35,720 --> 01:52:38,800
Speaker 2: Yeah, so it's on cut down day. On cutdown day, Yeah,

2380
01:52:38,840 --> 01:52:42,000
Speaker 2: they will come out with the release and I'm hoping

2381
01:52:42,000 --> 01:52:44,679
Speaker 2: that we're gonna do it differently this year because they

2382
01:52:44,680 --> 01:52:47,000
Speaker 2: did it the other way for years because you know who,

2383
01:52:47,360 --> 01:52:49,519
Speaker 2: but they've come out with the release. One says we

2384
01:52:49,560 --> 01:52:53,479
Speaker 2: released these players, we waived these players, we ird these players.

2385
01:52:53,479 --> 01:52:55,439
Speaker 1: Well, they always did that. It just came out at

2386
01:52:55,439 --> 01:52:56,120
Speaker 1: like eight o'clock.

2387
01:52:56,320 --> 01:52:59,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, right, but then we would also have to like

2388
01:52:59,040 --> 01:53:04,200
Speaker 2: reverse engineer the from there, right right, So regardless released

2389
01:53:04,400 --> 01:53:07,240
Speaker 2: is veteran players with more than four crude seasons don't

2390
01:53:07,560 --> 01:53:10,120
Speaker 2: are not subject to waivers, right Yeah, so they just

2391
01:53:10,240 --> 01:53:12,880
Speaker 2: get outright release in our street free agents, then you

2392
01:53:12,880 --> 01:53:15,040
Speaker 2: have a waived. Those are the guys that do go

2393
01:53:15,120 --> 01:53:18,000
Speaker 2: through waivers obviously, and then they would have like the

2394
01:53:18,280 --> 01:53:20,960
Speaker 2: the IR end of year IR guys, so you know,

2395
01:53:21,000 --> 01:53:22,680
Speaker 2: you could reach an injury settlement. But let's not get

2396
01:53:22,720 --> 01:53:26,800
Speaker 2: too caught up in the minutia. So now when they

2397
01:53:27,760 --> 01:53:30,519
Speaker 2: submit to the league, this is our team when they

2398
01:53:30,560 --> 01:53:33,280
Speaker 2: go and submit those ir guys that in the past

2399
01:53:33,320 --> 01:53:35,880
Speaker 2: would be done for the year, right, you can now

2400
01:53:35,960 --> 01:53:39,000
Speaker 2: designate two guys in that process that could come back, and.

2401
01:53:39,040 --> 01:53:41,000
Speaker 1: It's they still have to miss. I think it's four games,

2402
01:53:41,080 --> 01:53:43,559
Speaker 1: just like Pup and everybody else. And then it's the

2403
01:53:43,600 --> 01:53:47,160
Speaker 1: same process from there where they practice, they're designated to

2404
01:53:47,200 --> 01:53:49,800
Speaker 1: return and it's twenty one days to actually put them

2405
01:53:49,800 --> 01:53:50,240
Speaker 1: on the roster.

2406
01:53:50,360 --> 01:53:58,000
Speaker 2: Yep. Okay, next down for me yep. Headlined by Alex Austen,

2407
01:53:58,320 --> 01:54:02,000
Speaker 2: but just the cornerback in general, I think is now

2408
01:54:02,040 --> 01:54:04,920
Speaker 2: becoming a little bit of an issue. Maybe it's it's

2409
01:54:04,920 --> 01:54:08,080
Speaker 2: also exacerbated by the fact that that Gonzales is just

2410
01:54:08,200 --> 01:54:11,559
Speaker 2: kind of we need we need a little bit more

2411
01:54:11,560 --> 01:54:13,320
Speaker 2: out of Christian Gonzalez. I think we all can say

2412
01:54:13,320 --> 01:54:15,400
Speaker 2: that I'm not panicked at all by Christian Gonzales. I'm

2413
01:54:15,400 --> 01:54:18,320
Speaker 2: not worried about it. But in terms of practice performance,

2414
01:54:18,360 --> 01:54:19,960
Speaker 2: you have to call a spatis bade right and and

2415
01:54:20,000 --> 01:54:21,760
Speaker 2: you have you need a little bit more out of them.

2416
01:54:21,760 --> 01:54:25,280
Speaker 2: But more importantly to me, uh, it's Marcus Jones is

2417
01:54:25,360 --> 01:54:30,200
Speaker 2: hurt again. Yep. Alex Austin's been not very good.

2418
01:54:30,560 --> 01:54:32,200
Speaker 1: I think he's been fine. We might we might have

2419
01:54:32,240 --> 01:54:34,040
Speaker 1: set the expectations for him a little too high.

2420
01:54:34,120 --> 01:54:35,320
Speaker 2: Sure, that's probably fair.

2421
01:54:35,880 --> 01:54:38,320
Speaker 1: He's been about what you would think, like, uh, you

2422
01:54:38,360 --> 01:54:39,280
Speaker 1: know U d f A.

2423
01:54:41,160 --> 01:54:41,360
Speaker 3: Yah.

2424
01:54:41,440 --> 01:54:41,600
Speaker 1: Yeah.

2425
01:54:41,840 --> 01:54:46,480
Speaker 2: I just every single day that goes by, I just

2426
01:54:46,520 --> 01:54:48,720
Speaker 2: wonder more and more if you put in the call,

2427
01:54:48,840 --> 01:54:53,000
Speaker 2: just fun mail the call because and and we're at

2428
01:54:53,000 --> 01:54:55,480
Speaker 2: the point now, No, we're no, we're on the same

2429
01:54:55,480 --> 01:54:57,360
Speaker 2: page here. We're at the point now where this is

2430
01:54:57,360 --> 01:55:02,320
Speaker 2: like actually becoming a little bit worrisome. It's not overly

2431
01:55:02,360 --> 01:55:05,600
Speaker 2: worrisome yet, because I still think Gonzalez and Jonathan Jones

2432
01:55:05,640 --> 01:55:08,640
Speaker 2: is a really really solid start. And then whoever fills

2433
01:55:08,680 --> 01:55:11,480
Speaker 2: in as the nickel, as a third corner, whatever you

2434
01:55:11,520 --> 01:55:14,839
Speaker 2: want to call it, that guy's gonna get favorable matchups.

2435
01:55:14,840 --> 01:55:16,480
Speaker 2: It's not gonna be like he's gonna be out there

2436
01:55:16,480 --> 01:55:19,280
Speaker 2: against Jamar Chase. Yeah. Right. But at the same time,

2437
01:55:20,080 --> 01:55:23,040
Speaker 2: that group we were bullish on the depth there, I'm

2438
01:55:23,040 --> 01:55:24,360
Speaker 2: not as bullish on it anymore.

2439
01:55:24,400 --> 01:55:26,440
Speaker 1: I'm not either. I'm with you to the last point

2440
01:55:26,480 --> 01:55:30,200
Speaker 1: you made this year. It's fine. I think some of

2441
01:55:30,240 --> 01:55:33,280
Speaker 1: the hope was Isaiah Bolden's second year player Alex Austin,

2442
01:55:33,280 --> 01:55:36,360
Speaker 1: second year player Marcellus Dile rookie was like John Jones

2443
01:55:36,360 --> 01:55:38,320
Speaker 1: thirty one, and of all the guys they resigned, he's

2444
01:55:38,320 --> 01:55:41,240
Speaker 1: not one. He's entering a contract year, so that's notable.

2445
01:55:41,760 --> 01:55:43,520
Speaker 1: I think the hope was one of these guys would

2446
01:55:43,520 --> 01:55:46,080
Speaker 1: emerge to, you know, be the three this year and

2447
01:55:46,080 --> 01:55:48,120
Speaker 1: then maybe become the two next year. Right and you

2448
01:55:48,360 --> 01:55:51,320
Speaker 1: cert next to Gonzalez and you certainly haven't seen that.

2449
01:55:51,880 --> 01:55:54,800
Speaker 1: To the first point when I said we're at that point,

2450
01:55:54,840 --> 01:55:56,680
Speaker 1: it wasn't even like we're at that point where I'm

2451
01:55:56,720 --> 01:55:59,240
Speaker 1: petrified about the depth I've been saying for a while,

2452
01:55:59,240 --> 01:56:01,400
Speaker 1: I think part of the re and Gilmore hasn't signed

2453
01:56:01,400 --> 01:56:04,160
Speaker 1: to simply I'm Stephan Gilmore. I'm a defensive player of

2454
01:56:04,200 --> 01:56:05,960
Speaker 1: the Year. I don't need to run win sprints for

2455
01:56:05,960 --> 01:56:08,120
Speaker 1: the first two weeks camp. Yeah, we're at the point

2456
01:56:08,120 --> 01:56:10,280
Speaker 1: now where it's like, this is when those guys, this

2457
01:56:10,320 --> 01:56:11,880
Speaker 1: is when those veterans are like, I'm gonna sit out

2458
01:56:11,880 --> 01:56:14,280
Speaker 1: the dog days camp. Dog days are over, Like if

2459
01:56:14,320 --> 01:56:16,360
Speaker 1: he wants to play this year, Now we're in the

2460
01:56:16,360 --> 01:56:19,400
Speaker 1: window where he's probably gonna sign within the next week

2461
01:56:19,480 --> 01:56:22,560
Speaker 1: or two. Uh, Like what was ze last year's I

2462
01:56:22,600 --> 01:56:24,880
Speaker 1: was just about to bring this up. So Zeke his

2463
01:56:25,160 --> 01:56:27,640
Speaker 1: very first practice with the Patriots was in Green Bay.

2464
01:56:27,680 --> 01:56:30,280
Speaker 1: It was that joint practice, joint practice, Yeah, going into

2465
01:56:30,280 --> 01:56:33,080
Speaker 1: the second preseason game, which makes sense because you want

2466
01:56:33,080 --> 01:56:34,320
Speaker 1: to get out there for like a drive.

2467
01:56:34,680 --> 01:56:37,960
Speaker 2: Yeah. So the the insadium practice that year would have

2468
01:56:38,000 --> 01:56:41,480
Speaker 2: been this Friday. It's gonna be Sunday with the season

2469
01:56:41,480 --> 01:56:44,440
Speaker 2: ticket holders out at training camp instead, And so Zeke

2470
01:56:44,520 --> 01:56:47,000
Speaker 2: signed right like the next day, and then was his

2471
01:56:47,040 --> 01:56:49,240
Speaker 2: first practice with the Patriots was in Green Bay, so

2472
01:56:49,680 --> 01:56:52,000
Speaker 2: being the equivalent of like the Tuesday joint practice with

2473
01:56:52,040 --> 01:56:55,520
Speaker 2: Philadelphia would be the practice that they got him in there.

2474
01:56:55,560 --> 01:56:57,720
Speaker 1: But I just noticed some watching on here. The shadow

2475
01:56:57,760 --> 01:56:59,960
Speaker 1: of the wires on your shirt makes like a perfect fifty.

2476
01:57:00,080 --> 01:57:01,680
Speaker 1: That's just but well now you moved, you ruined it.

2477
01:57:01,760 --> 01:57:04,560
Speaker 1: But that just bugged me out. I'll show you picture.

2478
01:57:04,640 --> 01:57:06,880
Speaker 2: I'd wear fifty. It's a good number. Right, We have

2479
01:57:06,920 --> 01:57:07,640
Speaker 2: to wrap.

2480
01:57:07,400 --> 01:57:10,040
Speaker 1: So sorry, Yeah, Gilmour, Uh it were next down place

2481
01:57:10,080 --> 01:57:12,200
Speaker 1: from the sign. Well I had the kickers.

2482
01:57:12,640 --> 01:57:14,600
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, and we are already do that. Sorry, Do

2483
01:57:14,640 --> 01:57:15,280
Speaker 2: you have any more?

2484
01:57:15,960 --> 01:57:17,600
Speaker 1: Uh No, that's pretty much it. There haven't been that

2485
01:57:17,600 --> 01:57:20,240
Speaker 1: many like glaring offensive line.

2486
01:57:20,600 --> 01:57:21,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's the big one.

2487
01:57:22,000 --> 01:57:24,280
Speaker 1: Like it's been a solid competitive camp.

2488
01:57:24,320 --> 01:57:26,800
Speaker 2: Okay, can I give you this one that is not

2489
01:57:26,840 --> 01:57:28,960
Speaker 2: a I hate to put him as a down because

2490
01:57:28,960 --> 01:57:31,120
Speaker 2: it's not a true down because there's just so much

2491
01:57:31,200 --> 01:57:35,920
Speaker 2: upside and potential there. But the frustrations of like Javon

2492
01:57:36,000 --> 01:57:37,840
Speaker 2: Baker starting to come out a little bit for me,

2493
01:57:38,160 --> 01:57:40,000
Speaker 2: drops are starting to add up. Yeah, the drops are

2494
01:57:40,000 --> 01:57:42,000
Speaker 2: starting to add up a little bit. And he's starting

2495
01:57:42,040 --> 01:57:44,440
Speaker 2: to to show, which is what you know, some of

2496
01:57:44,440 --> 01:57:46,840
Speaker 2: the things in college, and again, like he gets open,

2497
01:57:46,880 --> 01:57:49,400
Speaker 2: which is the most important thing. Like, I still have

2498
01:57:49,520 --> 01:57:51,120
Speaker 2: a lot of hope for him, and I'm not trying

2499
01:57:51,160 --> 01:57:55,280
Speaker 2: to to, you know, kill him. But the knock on

2500
01:57:55,360 --> 01:57:59,000
Speaker 2: him in college was consistency, right, like down in and

2501
01:57:59,040 --> 01:58:03,640
Speaker 2: down out, consistent, The splash plays were always there, They're

2502
01:58:03,680 --> 01:58:07,560
Speaker 2: always there. Consistency was the biggest thing. And right now,

2503
01:58:07,840 --> 01:58:10,160
Speaker 2: you know he yesterday and the two minute and granted

2504
01:58:10,240 --> 01:58:13,080
Speaker 2: it's raining and all, I get all the caveats, but

2505
01:58:13,200 --> 01:58:17,920
Speaker 2: like Drake May throws up perfectly timed out to him

2506
01:58:17,920 --> 01:58:21,240
Speaker 2: at the sticks and it just goes right through his hands. Right,

2507
01:58:21,840 --> 01:58:24,920
Speaker 2: he dropped a slant like against air earlier on in

2508
01:58:24,920 --> 01:58:28,640
Speaker 2: the practice. Those are the types of plays that if

2509
01:58:28,640 --> 01:58:31,040
Speaker 2: he's gonna be a high volume guy and not just

2510
01:58:31,400 --> 01:58:34,000
Speaker 2: like remember you know the Gabe Davis komp like just

2511
01:58:34,160 --> 01:58:36,840
Speaker 2: have these big, big games and peaks and valleys. If

2512
01:58:36,880 --> 01:58:39,480
Speaker 2: he's gonna be like a high volume, one hundred catch guy,

2513
01:58:39,600 --> 01:58:43,240
Speaker 2: someday he's gonna have to make these layups. Like he

2514
01:58:43,280 --> 01:58:45,520
Speaker 2: can make the hard ones, he can make these acrobatic

2515
01:58:45,560 --> 01:58:48,520
Speaker 2: crazy catches down the field, but if he can't catch

2516
01:58:48,600 --> 01:58:51,320
Speaker 2: the eight yard out or the you know, the three

2517
01:58:51,360 --> 01:58:53,440
Speaker 2: step slant over the middle of the field, and he's

2518
01:58:53,480 --> 01:58:56,920
Speaker 2: just dropping the ball uncontested, you know, unforced errors. That's

2519
01:58:56,960 --> 01:58:59,200
Speaker 2: why he's not gonna see the ball at a high volume.

2520
01:58:59,520 --> 01:59:03,080
Speaker 2: And those are some of the warts with him right now.

2521
01:59:03,160 --> 01:59:05,400
Speaker 1: Right he's the kind of player where he's always going

2522
01:59:05,440 --> 01:59:07,280
Speaker 1: to be a boom er bus player. Yeah, he's gonna

2523
01:59:07,280 --> 01:59:09,400
Speaker 1: make great plays. There's gonna be some drops. You hope

2524
01:59:09,400 --> 01:59:11,440
Speaker 1: the good outweighs the bad. He needs to prove the

2525
01:59:11,440 --> 01:59:13,400
Speaker 1: good's going to outweigh the bad. Right now, that ratio

2526
01:59:13,480 --> 01:59:14,760
Speaker 1: not exactly where he needs it to be.

2527
01:59:14,880 --> 01:59:16,800
Speaker 2: Yeah, all right, really quickly before we rap, is there

2528
01:59:16,800 --> 01:59:19,600
Speaker 2: anything else about tomorrow night first preseason game that you're

2529
01:59:19,640 --> 01:59:22,360
Speaker 2: looking forward to outside of you know, the quarterbacks and

2530
01:59:22,360 --> 01:59:22,880
Speaker 2: things like that.

2531
01:59:23,240 --> 01:59:24,400
Speaker 1: I mean, we touched on a lot of it, all

2532
01:59:24,400 --> 01:59:26,160
Speaker 1: of my what to watch for up tomorrow on ninety

2533
01:59:26,160 --> 01:59:28,480
Speaker 1: eight five the sports dot Com. Just I think the

2534
01:59:28,560 --> 01:59:31,520
Speaker 1: operation as a whole, you know, what coaches are on

2535
01:59:31,520 --> 01:59:33,320
Speaker 1: the sideline, what coaches are on the booth, what coaches

2536
01:59:33,360 --> 01:59:35,200
Speaker 1: are meeting with, what group Like We've never really had

2537
01:59:35,200 --> 01:59:37,800
Speaker 1: to cover something like that before, not as a whole,

2538
01:59:37,800 --> 01:59:40,400
Speaker 1: maybe individual coaches, but that that part's gonna be interesting

2539
01:59:40,480 --> 01:59:40,720
Speaker 1: to make.

2540
01:59:40,880 --> 01:59:42,920
Speaker 2: I'm with you on that. I find that part kind

2541
01:59:42,920 --> 01:59:45,440
Speaker 2: of fascinating, Like this is a true dress rehearsal for

2542
01:59:45,520 --> 01:59:48,720
Speaker 2: Girodmeo's staff as well as it is for the players,

2543
01:59:48,720 --> 01:59:51,960
Speaker 2: and it might actually be more important from a procedural standpoint,

2544
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Speaker 2: like we were talking about earlier in the show, calling

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01:59:54,800 --> 01:59:56,480
Speaker 2: plays in the huddle and getting to the line of

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01:59:56,480 --> 01:59:58,080
Speaker 2: scrimmage and getting the ball snap. I know this all

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01:59:58,200 --> 02:00:01,000
Speaker 2: sounds pop Warner, I get that, but this is the

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02:00:01,040 --> 02:00:05,160
Speaker 2: first time that they're truly doing that live with Gerrod Mayo.

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02:00:05,720 --> 02:00:08,680
Speaker 2: Who's calling you know, where's a VP? Is he up

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02:00:08,720 --> 02:00:10,560
Speaker 2: in the booth? Is he on the sideline? I'm assuming

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02:00:10,560 --> 02:00:13,000
Speaker 2: he's gonna be on the sideline. All these things are

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02:00:13,040 --> 02:00:15,200
Speaker 2: are now the time where we're gonna find out all

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02:00:15,240 --> 02:00:17,200
Speaker 2: these things, and it's gonna be interesting to see how

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02:00:17,200 --> 02:00:19,840
Speaker 2: it's all handled. I don't know how much like fourth

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02:00:19,880 --> 02:00:22,240
Speaker 2: down they're gonna get into decision making wise, but if

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02:00:22,240 --> 02:00:24,400
Speaker 2: there is a decision to make, like what does he

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02:00:24,480 --> 02:00:26,920
Speaker 2: do right? You know, those types of things are gonna

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02:00:26,920 --> 02:00:30,560
Speaker 2: be fascinating. One more thing before we sign off this season,

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Speaker 2: ticket holder practices on Sunday, and we're gonna do a

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02:00:36,720 --> 02:00:39,600
Speaker 2: you know, like a little bit of like a show

2561
02:00:39,720 --> 02:00:42,480
Speaker 2: during it. Not us, but me and a serge And

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02:00:42,800 --> 02:00:45,080
Speaker 2: I think Rob Nikovich is gonna be there, okay, And

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02:00:45,200 --> 02:00:47,440
Speaker 2: I just wanted to tease it a little bit. So

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Speaker 2: we're gonna do I think about the first hour or

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02:00:49,920 --> 02:00:53,000
Speaker 2: so of practice. We're gonna have some interviews. We're gonna

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Speaker 2: have all three coordinators are gonna come talk to us,

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02:00:55,800 --> 02:00:56,920
Speaker 2: and we're gonna do a Q and A with that.

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02:00:57,000 --> 02:01:00,720
Speaker 2: We're gonna let you I've already I've already you know,

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02:01:01,120 --> 02:01:05,839
Speaker 2: made sure that the questions get cleared by the appropriate representatives. Uh.

2570
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Speaker 2: And Gidmeyo is going to address the crowd like it's

2571
02:01:08,440 --> 02:01:10,160
Speaker 2: gonna be a fun day. So if you're a season

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Speaker 2: ticket older, I think Foxboro residents still get in, right,

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Speaker 2: I don't know about that that don't don't quote me on.

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Speaker 1: That, Patriots dot com.

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02:01:16,760 --> 02:01:19,360
Speaker 2: But if you're if you're a season ticket holder and

2576
02:01:19,640 --> 02:01:22,600
Speaker 2: you're you're on the fence about coming, They're gonna make

2577
02:01:22,640 --> 02:01:24,600
Speaker 2: this a little bit special for you, guys. Like it's

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02:01:24,600 --> 02:01:26,720
Speaker 2: not gonna just be a regular run of the mill

2579
02:01:26,800 --> 02:01:29,080
Speaker 2: training camp practice where you're just gonna sit and watch.

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02:01:29,400 --> 02:01:32,520
Speaker 2: And then in between drills and things like that, Serge

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02:01:32,560 --> 02:01:34,160
Speaker 2: and I are gonna go back and forth a little

2582
02:01:34,200 --> 02:01:36,080
Speaker 2: bit about what's going on on the field and we'll

2583
02:01:36,080 --> 02:01:38,240
Speaker 2: give some takes and all that kind of stuff. So

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Speaker 2: it's gonna be a fun day. I'm looking forward to it.

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02:01:40,480 --> 02:01:42,400
Speaker 2: And uh, like I said, if you're a season ticket

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02:01:42,400 --> 02:01:44,680
Speaker 2: holder and you're not sure if you want it to come,

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02:01:44,720 --> 02:01:46,720
Speaker 2: I would suggest coming because it's gonna be a little

2588
02:01:46,760 --> 02:01:49,680
Speaker 2: bit more than what you normally get. Yeah cool, all right,

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Speaker 2: Uh really quickly, two more got to pay the bills.

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Speaker 3: Uh.

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Speaker 2: the New England Patriots. Alex and I will be back

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Speaker 2: next week, same time, same place. We'll talk about tomorrow night.

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Speaker 2: We'll recap the joint practices. We'll look ahead to the

2599
02:02:16,000 --> 02:02:18,960
Speaker 2: Eagles preseason game. So still a lot to get to.

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Speaker 2: We're still in the middle of training camp here and

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Speaker 2: we're looking forward to it. We'll see you then bye.

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