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Speaker 1: where you stand with on X. On the subject of wind,

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Speaker 1: we've been talking about what it's very tall people, how

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Speaker 1: I'm just, you know, strudlin. It's the windiest I think

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Speaker 1: I've ever seen it since I've moved to Montana five

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Speaker 1: timber rancher ship working cattle ship and cattle and he

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Speaker 1: This morning as I was making coffee, it was so

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Speaker 1: windy and the glass was flexing. Extremely windy. We have

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Speaker 1: here here's the way playing. How windy it is my

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Speaker 1: pretty windy. I got two windy things I want to

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Speaker 1: Thank you, Steve be my favorite. Uh probably I like

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Speaker 1: Like if I had to choose the tree, my brother

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Speaker 1: and my sister in law. You have two brothers and

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Speaker 1: awkward position because originally, I don't know, I never told

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Speaker 1: but I was sussing you out, Oh, because I care

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Speaker 1: I love him to death. Would you find out in

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Speaker 1: your sussing, oh, that I liked you? But initially right initially,

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Speaker 1: Like I was skeptical. But then now you know you

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Speaker 1: You such a great job at being a brother. You

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Speaker 1: do a great job being my brother's wife. But I'll

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Speaker 1: point out, you guys don't live together. It's a secret. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: you guys live long happy marriage. You guys live nine

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Speaker 1: hours apart. Yes, it's just like a commune. It's like

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Speaker 1: something that should be remedied. Absolutely not. Uh do when

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Speaker 1: I don't know. I wanta tell you my windy story

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Speaker 1: though this is very windy. I thought your brother's house

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Speaker 1: it's like the kind of house that they haul in on.

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Speaker 1: So that's what I'm here to talk to you about today. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: and you're super involved in one year an egg. Yep,

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Speaker 1: I would say, including that John Deer when you got

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Speaker 1: Just stay up a lot. You know, caffeine, you know what.

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Speaker 1: Surprised and jealous Steve A. Little bit man. Uh yeah,

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Speaker 1: And you guys keep a shipload of horses. Yes, And

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Speaker 1: harvesting wildlife, it's covered, right, And there's always that public perception.

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Speaker 1: Public opinion drives everything. And while I love to trap,

426
00:23:12,320 --> 00:23:15,720
Speaker 1: that's something I grip doing mostly bobcats and beavers, there

427
00:23:15,880 --> 00:23:18,840
Speaker 1: is a pretty strong anti sentiment with that. So if

428
00:23:18,880 --> 00:23:22,520
Speaker 1: you can cover that and preserve that right with basically harvest,

429
00:23:23,359 --> 00:23:25,480
Speaker 1: why have the fight. I mean, there's enough fighting in

430
00:23:25,520 --> 00:23:27,960
Speaker 1: politics as it is, So if we can we can

431
00:23:28,000 --> 00:23:31,640
Speaker 1: achieve the same objective without sticking into somebody's eye. Let's

432
00:23:31,680 --> 00:23:34,560
Speaker 1: do that calling it out now, would it prevent Let's

433
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Speaker 1: just say, if you're following in the tracks of California,

434
00:23:39,400 --> 00:23:43,680
Speaker 1: like they've lost the right or ability to use hounds, right, Yeah,

435
00:23:43,840 --> 00:23:46,160
Speaker 1: So when it's when something like that comes up, when

436
00:23:46,160 --> 00:23:48,320
Speaker 1: they're like, well you can still hunt, but you can't

437
00:23:48,359 --> 00:23:50,760
Speaker 1: do it this way anymore. How does that work? You know,

438
00:23:50,800 --> 00:23:55,239
Speaker 1: I'm I'm that's still that honestly, that discretion still applies. Like,

439
00:23:55,320 --> 00:23:59,000
Speaker 1: so we're not eliminating the divisions making rules and regulations.

440
00:23:59,040 --> 00:24:01,920
Speaker 1: That's it's all subject to that. But what it would

441
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Speaker 1: say is maybe you can't use dogs or you know,

442
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Speaker 1: there's already rules over dogs or bait or whatever on

443
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Speaker 1: different bears and lions. But the ability, it would what

444
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Speaker 1: it would guarantee is that you could still harvest bear

445
00:24:13,800 --> 00:24:16,159
Speaker 1: right as long as populations are such and you meet

446
00:24:16,200 --> 00:24:18,879
Speaker 1: objectives and all those types of things. So it's that's

447
00:24:18,920 --> 00:24:22,320
Speaker 1: the root of it that there will always be that debate,

448
00:24:22,359 --> 00:24:26,240
Speaker 1: and I think it's necessary, imprudent right about means and methods.

449
00:24:26,280 --> 00:24:29,320
Speaker 1: I think that's a natural part of of our sport.

450
00:24:29,560 --> 00:24:31,280
Speaker 1: And I think that has to be part of it.

451
00:24:31,640 --> 00:24:34,840
Speaker 1: But what we're trying to do is is prevent it

452
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Speaker 1: from being eliminated wholly as an option, which is that

453
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Speaker 1: that's what people argue when they argue the death by

454
00:24:42,560 --> 00:24:45,960
Speaker 1: a thousand cuts. Yeah thing, I mean, everybody likes to

455
00:24:46,840 --> 00:24:49,199
Speaker 1: poke fun at California when it comes to death by

456
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Speaker 1: a thousands because it's easy, right, it's it is easy

457
00:24:51,720 --> 00:24:53,280
Speaker 1: to poke fun at calf. Yeah. I had a guy,

458
00:24:53,400 --> 00:24:56,879
Speaker 1: like a very high ranking it's a national hobby to

459
00:24:56,880 --> 00:24:59,439
Speaker 1: pull fund of California that's going. But yeah, I had

460
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Speaker 1: a very high ranking person in California's Wildlife department predict

461
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Speaker 1: to me. And he made this prediction a long time ago,

462
00:25:07,800 --> 00:25:12,280
Speaker 1: years ago. He predicted me. He said, uh, we will

463
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Speaker 1: lose bow hunting next through referendum. And he put it

464
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Speaker 1: that he said, I think in twenty five years it'll

465
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Speaker 1: all be gone. M h. If you look at in California,

466
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Speaker 1: they did like method to take stuff on mountain lions, okay,

467
00:25:34,760 --> 00:25:38,399
Speaker 1: but eventually just got rid of mountain lion any mountain

468
00:25:38,400 --> 00:25:41,200
Speaker 1: lion harvest at all by hunters. It's all done now

469
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Speaker 1: by it's all done on by the state. I mean,

470
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Speaker 1: there's still there's still under damage permits killing several hundred

471
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Speaker 1: of a year. They're still killing the same amount. The

472
00:25:50,240 --> 00:25:54,240
Speaker 1: state and agents are killing about as many as hunters

473
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Speaker 1: used to, but they removed methods before eventually getting round

474
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Speaker 1: to the thing in trapping, like got rid of trapping

475
00:26:05,000 --> 00:26:07,199
Speaker 1: and then went to a thing to be that you

476
00:26:07,280 --> 00:26:12,680
Speaker 1: can't sell for mhm. So what I'd be more interested

477
00:26:12,720 --> 00:26:15,560
Speaker 1: in is like a piece of protection um or. I

478
00:26:15,600 --> 00:26:20,000
Speaker 1: wish that that the protections you could measure more against

479
00:26:20,720 --> 00:26:24,040
Speaker 1: the death by a thousand cuts thing. H One frustration

480
00:26:24,080 --> 00:26:28,320
Speaker 1: I have with conservation groups, especially once a frustration I

481
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Speaker 1: have with conservation groups to focus on um habitat issues UH,

482
00:26:34,840 --> 00:26:39,160
Speaker 1: which are very important access issues, is they oftentimes don't

483
00:26:39,200 --> 00:26:43,760
Speaker 1: like to get embroiled in the method of take arguments.

484
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Speaker 1: So a couple of years ago, there was a thing

485
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Speaker 1: in this state that was talk about like death by

486
00:26:49,720 --> 00:26:54,960
Speaker 1: thousand cuts, like the level of specificity. It was no trapping,

487
00:26:55,440 --> 00:26:59,920
Speaker 1: not no trapping, but no trapping on public land mhmm.

488
00:27:00,200 --> 00:27:02,200
Speaker 1: To try to narrow it down to like a little

489
00:27:02,280 --> 00:27:06,080
Speaker 1: thing that you think you could get They're like, what's

490
00:27:06,119 --> 00:27:08,800
Speaker 1: the what's something we could get away with? They got

491
00:27:08,800 --> 00:27:12,280
Speaker 1: clappered they got clapped, didn't pass it, but it was

492
00:27:12,320 --> 00:27:16,160
Speaker 1: like so fine tuned to try to make some progress

493
00:27:16,960 --> 00:27:24,240
Speaker 1: towards getting rid of hunting, trapping whatever. In Maine, it

494
00:27:24,359 --> 00:27:26,440
Speaker 1: was there's a thing a couple of years ago in Maine,

495
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Speaker 1: I think it was getting rid of bait for bears,

496
00:27:29,840 --> 00:27:36,200
Speaker 1: getting rid of hounds for bears, and people would point out, well,

497
00:27:36,240 --> 00:27:39,280
Speaker 1: that's the only way people like in in thick flat country,

498
00:27:39,280 --> 00:27:42,480
Speaker 1: that's the only way people get bears. So you're effectively

499
00:27:43,440 --> 00:27:46,680
Speaker 1: ending nine of the bear harvest. But you're not coming

500
00:27:46,680 --> 00:27:48,320
Speaker 1: out and saying that you're trying to make it an

501
00:27:48,320 --> 00:27:51,440
Speaker 1: issue about dogs and bait. But we see what you're

502
00:27:51,440 --> 00:27:54,639
Speaker 1: really driving after. So it would be cool if to

503
00:27:54,680 --> 00:27:58,000
Speaker 1: protect if you if we can make protections that helped

504
00:27:58,040 --> 00:28:04,080
Speaker 1: also prevent the like just whittling away at people's stuff.

505
00:28:05,000 --> 00:28:07,240
Speaker 1: I've never heard in California that the thing has gone

506
00:28:07,280 --> 00:28:09,480
Speaker 1: anywhere to like band bowl hunting. But this guy had

507
00:28:09,480 --> 00:28:11,520
Speaker 1: it laid out like how it would be approached, how

508
00:28:11,560 --> 00:28:14,560
Speaker 1: it would be one well, and I think that goes

509
00:28:14,600 --> 00:28:18,160
Speaker 1: to the broader point. As hunters and anglers, we've got

510
00:28:18,160 --> 00:28:21,480
Speaker 1: to be involved, right, Like, there's at my level, there

511
00:28:21,560 --> 00:28:24,400
Speaker 1: is literally only so much I can do, and we've

512
00:28:24,600 --> 00:28:26,399
Speaker 1: I think we've done that and sort of set the

513
00:28:26,440 --> 00:28:29,879
Speaker 1: table and set a pretty high threshold instead of pretty

514
00:28:29,880 --> 00:28:32,280
Speaker 1: strong burden of proof. But if you if you like

515
00:28:32,400 --> 00:28:35,639
Speaker 1: to hunting fish and you're not involved in the political process,

516
00:28:36,000 --> 00:28:39,040
Speaker 1: it's gonna be involved for you without you. And so

517
00:28:39,080 --> 00:28:41,600
Speaker 1: that's sort of I think, I know we're kind of

518
00:28:41,600 --> 00:28:44,520
Speaker 1: coming off topic a little bit here, but if if

519
00:28:44,560 --> 00:28:49,000
Speaker 1: you appreciate these opportunities, you better support them the whole way,

520
00:28:49,120 --> 00:28:51,880
Speaker 1: and that's through initiatives, that's the ballot box. Heck, if

521
00:28:51,920 --> 00:28:54,360
Speaker 1: you like to hunting fish, maybe you ought to even

522
00:28:54,440 --> 00:28:56,719
Speaker 1: run for office. You know what ruins hunting and fishing

523
00:28:56,720 --> 00:29:00,760
Speaker 1: for me? Political service? Yeah, it's it's not getting ready

524
00:29:00,760 --> 00:29:03,800
Speaker 1: for the legislative session in January really screws up my

525
00:29:03,920 --> 00:29:07,520
Speaker 1: duck hunt. I'm not gonna lie, but you know, I

526
00:29:07,560 --> 00:29:09,560
Speaker 1: believe in this stuff and it's important to me, and

527
00:29:09,560 --> 00:29:11,480
Speaker 1: I'm willing to step up. And I think is as

528
00:29:11,840 --> 00:29:13,800
Speaker 1: folks like to do that, we've got to be willing

529
00:29:13,840 --> 00:29:16,360
Speaker 1: to make that sacrifice on the front end so that

530
00:29:16,440 --> 00:29:18,960
Speaker 1: this legacy and this heritage is there for our kids.

531
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Speaker 1: When the state's go to do the right to hunt

532
00:29:31,520 --> 00:29:36,480
Speaker 1: fishing thing. Is there like a is there like a plan?

533
00:29:36,680 --> 00:29:38,640
Speaker 1: Like it's a little package they send you to do

534
00:29:38,680 --> 00:29:40,400
Speaker 1: it in your own state. I mean, how did it

535
00:29:40,400 --> 00:29:43,760
Speaker 1: come to be that that that came on your radar? Well, so,

536
00:29:43,880 --> 00:29:47,600
Speaker 1: actually I had a buddy that um had done some

537
00:29:47,680 --> 00:29:50,040
Speaker 1: research work as part of a master's degree, was just

538
00:29:50,080 --> 00:29:52,480
Speaker 1: sort of compiling data. He's like, hey, we don't have

539
00:29:52,560 --> 00:29:53,920
Speaker 1: one of these. This ought to be a good thing,

540
00:29:54,280 --> 00:29:55,920
Speaker 1: you know. And then I started reaching out to the

541
00:29:56,000 --> 00:29:58,640
Speaker 1: various conservation groups and said, hey, what do you think

542
00:29:58,680 --> 00:30:01,840
Speaker 1: about this? And know everybody jumped up and down. You

543
00:30:02,040 --> 00:30:04,080
Speaker 1: you want to hear a really interesting committee hearing on

544
00:30:04,640 --> 00:30:08,000
Speaker 1: politics is largely boring unless somebody says something stupid. I

545
00:30:08,000 --> 00:30:11,360
Speaker 1: think that's sort of the norm. But in our legislature

546
00:30:11,680 --> 00:30:14,280
Speaker 1: and the committee where this bill was presented, when we

547
00:30:14,320 --> 00:30:17,200
Speaker 1: put this forth, we had like half the room in tears.

548
00:30:17,280 --> 00:30:19,240
Speaker 1: It was the weirdest thing I've ever seen in my

549
00:30:19,280 --> 00:30:22,800
Speaker 1: whole political career. The chairman is crying saying I'm going

550
00:30:22,840 --> 00:30:26,440
Speaker 1: to protect this opportunity for my daughter, like this is amazing,

551
00:30:26,800 --> 00:30:29,640
Speaker 1: for real tears. Like I'm like I'm sitting there presenting

552
00:30:29,640 --> 00:30:31,920
Speaker 1: on my bill and thinking all I think I got

553
00:30:31,960 --> 00:30:35,160
Speaker 1: pretty strong support in here because he's crying, and he's crying,

554
00:30:35,760 --> 00:30:38,400
Speaker 1: and everybody's telling stories about the bull that came off

555
00:30:38,440 --> 00:30:40,520
Speaker 1: the mountain, you know, and their daughter's first deer and

556
00:30:40,560 --> 00:30:43,640
Speaker 1: those types of things. So, uh, you know that it

557
00:30:44,200 --> 00:30:46,280
Speaker 1: was a good idea that obviously had a lot of

558
00:30:46,320 --> 00:30:48,960
Speaker 1: support and a lot of political and emotional support, and

559
00:30:49,000 --> 00:30:51,280
Speaker 1: we've run the whole way with it. So has have

560
00:30:51,360 --> 00:30:57,240
Speaker 1: you gotten any well articulated, um, like, any well articulated

561
00:30:57,280 --> 00:31:01,120
Speaker 1: opposition to it? No? Now, I mean there there are

562
00:31:01,600 --> 00:31:05,400
Speaker 1: opinions out there, and I would say that the um

563
00:31:05,560 --> 00:31:07,880
Speaker 1: when folks are saying is this really necessary? I mean,

564
00:31:07,920 --> 00:31:10,360
Speaker 1: I they use good words and correct grammar, so I

565
00:31:10,400 --> 00:31:12,720
Speaker 1: think you could classify it as well articulated. I just

566
00:31:12,720 --> 00:31:15,840
Speaker 1: don't think it's compelling, and that maybe that's the difference.

567
00:31:16,200 --> 00:31:18,880
Speaker 1: So I think we're gonna be okay, you know, fingers crossed,

568
00:31:18,880 --> 00:31:20,760
Speaker 1: hopefully the voters in the state of util make the

569
00:31:20,840 --> 00:31:24,200
Speaker 1: right choice. Are those folks. Are those opinions coming from

570
00:31:24,520 --> 00:31:27,520
Speaker 1: people like our groups like Peter or is it just

571
00:31:27,760 --> 00:31:30,880
Speaker 1: random people that are actually saying, oh really, why why? Now?

572
00:31:31,000 --> 00:31:34,920
Speaker 1: I think it's more random. Yeah, you know, even um,

573
00:31:35,000 --> 00:31:37,880
Speaker 1: some of our large groups made society and and Peter

574
00:31:38,000 --> 00:31:41,920
Speaker 1: like you mentioned that maybe would sort of be a

575
00:31:41,960 --> 00:31:45,840
Speaker 1: catalyst for opposition. They they've largely said no, it's you know,

576
00:31:46,000 --> 00:31:49,160
Speaker 1: not a big deal, so at least publicly, And that's

577
00:31:49,160 --> 00:31:51,200
Speaker 1: how they're behaving so far. And you know, our ballots

578
00:31:51,560 --> 00:31:54,440
Speaker 1: are coming out this week and back home, I'm assuming

579
00:31:54,440 --> 00:31:56,200
Speaker 1: that you guys are getting yours here too for mail

580
00:31:56,280 --> 00:32:00,760
Speaker 1: and so and oh man, uh, you know, so we're

581
00:32:00,760 --> 00:32:03,800
Speaker 1: only what a couple of weeks a couple three weeks

582
00:32:03,800 --> 00:32:06,560
Speaker 1: before the election, So I think, you know, I think

583
00:32:06,600 --> 00:32:08,520
Speaker 1: we're going to be okay, but you never know. So well,

584
00:32:08,720 --> 00:32:11,240
Speaker 1: that's why I am so happy to be here today,

585
00:32:11,280 --> 00:32:14,600
Speaker 1: and hopefully all the listeners in Utah will be convinced

586
00:32:14,640 --> 00:32:17,920
Speaker 1: by the compelling argument that I have made on this podcast.

587
00:32:17,960 --> 00:32:19,840
Speaker 1: Well yeah, I think you probably we're gonna lose it,

588
00:32:19,880 --> 00:32:23,720
Speaker 1: but now you're gonna win. We'll shocking up to media. R.

589
00:32:24,400 --> 00:32:27,720
Speaker 1: What exactly does it say? It's I mean, I can't

590
00:32:28,360 --> 00:32:31,120
Speaker 1: gurgitate it verbatim because it's fairly long, but it's basically

591
00:32:31,120 --> 00:32:33,400
Speaker 1: the right to hunt fish will be preserved subject to

592
00:32:33,480 --> 00:32:35,200
Speaker 1: da da da da da da dada. And when you

593
00:32:35,240 --> 00:32:37,440
Speaker 1: go into when you normally going to do a referendum

594
00:32:37,760 --> 00:32:40,960
Speaker 1: thing like I'm always guilty of. I'm actually gonna touch

595
00:32:40,960 --> 00:32:42,680
Speaker 1: on this later because I have to talk about my

596
00:32:43,000 --> 00:32:46,240
Speaker 1: sister in law way needed more. But um, I'm guilty of.

597
00:32:46,280 --> 00:32:49,160
Speaker 1: As I get down to the to the tail end

598
00:32:49,160 --> 00:32:53,959
Speaker 1: of my ballot, I'm finding out about the things I

599
00:32:54,000 --> 00:32:58,000
Speaker 1: wasn't aware of, Like I'm like home at what I

600
00:32:58,040 --> 00:33:01,800
Speaker 1: have that feeling a lot. It'll be like, uh, what

601
00:33:01,880 --> 00:33:06,440
Speaker 1: do they call? Uh like some new like very complex

602
00:33:06,480 --> 00:33:16,560
Speaker 1: like tobacco taxation issue? Right, that's how can there be

603
00:33:16,600 --> 00:33:18,920
Speaker 1: twenty levies that I have to think about right now? Yeah?

604
00:33:18,920 --> 00:33:23,440
Speaker 1: And I'm torn between m I always get torn between. Um.

605
00:33:23,520 --> 00:33:25,920
Speaker 1: I could sit it out because which is really the

606
00:33:25,960 --> 00:33:28,640
Speaker 1: responsible thing to do because I have no idea what

607
00:33:28,760 --> 00:33:31,800
Speaker 1: it is talking about. Or I could try to like

608
00:33:31,880 --> 00:33:34,360
Speaker 1: read real quick and make like a snap judgment in

609
00:33:34,440 --> 00:33:36,800
Speaker 1: order to weigh in. But I feel like I'm just

610
00:33:36,960 --> 00:33:41,000
Speaker 1: not educated on the issue. And then they have these

611
00:33:41,040 --> 00:33:45,880
Speaker 1: ballot supplements, right, and the each side gets to like

612
00:33:45,960 --> 00:33:50,600
Speaker 1: agree on a pro con and it's sort of like

613
00:33:50,720 --> 00:33:54,640
Speaker 1: everybody agrees that it's a fair synopsis of the issue.

614
00:33:55,280 --> 00:33:57,240
Speaker 1: What did you guys have to go through that process,

615
00:33:57,280 --> 00:34:00,320
Speaker 1: like what's the what's the what's the the why not

616
00:34:00,480 --> 00:34:04,440
Speaker 1: in the ballot supplement? Yeah, so maybe we're not as

617
00:34:04,440 --> 00:34:07,120
Speaker 1: cordial back home, Like I I got to present my opinion,

618
00:34:07,200 --> 00:34:09,720
Speaker 1: they got to present theirs, but we didn't like compare

619
00:34:09,760 --> 00:34:13,440
Speaker 1: notes and song. But they're always very I feel that

620
00:34:13,480 --> 00:34:17,480
Speaker 1: they're um, they're very I should say that they're very measured.

621
00:34:17,880 --> 00:34:20,200
Speaker 1: Like it seems like someone is in there because you

622
00:34:20,239 --> 00:34:21,640
Speaker 1: wouldn't be able to be in there, like you know

623
00:34:21,640 --> 00:34:24,840
Speaker 1: those little flyers you get for candidates. He loves China

624
00:34:24,880 --> 00:34:28,160
Speaker 1: and hates America, right, like that wouldn't be in that

625
00:34:28,280 --> 00:34:31,160
Speaker 1: wouldn't be in the They would find another way to

626
00:34:31,239 --> 00:34:35,080
Speaker 1: articulate it. You know. He hates babies. Yeah, no, I

627
00:34:35,200 --> 00:34:37,759
Speaker 1: we have that same thing, you know. And I do

628
00:34:37,840 --> 00:34:40,200
Speaker 1: need to say I am grateful that you didn't have

629
00:34:40,239 --> 00:34:42,640
Speaker 1: like a third method, which is like any menimighty mole.

630
00:34:42,760 --> 00:34:46,600
Speaker 1: So that's you know, that means you are and I

631
00:34:46,680 --> 00:34:50,080
Speaker 1: might be killed. I might, but the last time I

632
00:34:50,160 --> 00:34:53,799
Speaker 1: chose c H. I don't want to be predictable. Yeah

633
00:34:53,960 --> 00:34:57,040
Speaker 1: you know, so I we'll just pretend that you're you know,

634
00:34:57,120 --> 00:34:59,520
Speaker 1: A and B or your only options. But um, we

635
00:34:59,560 --> 00:35:02,080
Speaker 1: do have that as a smidget. But I'm I'm hoping,

636
00:35:02,160 --> 00:35:06,840
Speaker 1: like before this podcast, you probably didn't know anything about

637
00:35:06,880 --> 00:35:09,360
Speaker 1: this hunt right and hunting fish in the state of Utah.

638
00:35:09,680 --> 00:35:12,400
Speaker 1: But what what does your heart tell you? You know what,

639
00:35:12,600 --> 00:35:14,680
Speaker 1: what do you believe? And I'm hoping that there's that

640
00:35:14,760 --> 00:35:17,360
Speaker 1: little moment in time in the in the ballot box

641
00:35:17,480 --> 00:35:19,560
Speaker 1: or at the kitchen table when you're filling your circles

642
00:35:19,600 --> 00:35:23,160
Speaker 1: there it's just a feel good, you know what, boom,

643
00:35:23,200 --> 00:35:25,759
Speaker 1: and we're gonna go with that. That's my hope. There

644
00:35:25,880 --> 00:35:27,640
Speaker 1: is going to be obviously this and some other sort

645
00:35:27,640 --> 00:35:30,279
Speaker 1: of orchestrated like here's get out the vote and let's

646
00:35:30,280 --> 00:35:32,799
Speaker 1: make sure we're supporting this, But at a fundamental level

647
00:35:32,880 --> 00:35:35,400
Speaker 1: in my state, that's something I think we still cherish,

648
00:35:35,600 --> 00:35:38,360
Speaker 1: that heritage, that opportunity. So I think that's going to

649
00:35:38,440 --> 00:35:41,120
Speaker 1: pick up people, you know, or we roll the dice

650
00:35:41,160 --> 00:35:45,000
Speaker 1: with a P or C. So anyway, well, we'll see

651
00:35:45,000 --> 00:35:47,000
Speaker 1: how it goes. Do you are are you a career politician?

652
00:35:47,000 --> 00:35:49,000
Speaker 1: Were you gonna say something? I was just gonna so

653
00:35:49,080 --> 00:35:51,239
Speaker 1: the language is really clear on your ballot right, what's

654
00:35:51,280 --> 00:35:53,560
Speaker 1: is there a number associated with us? Like we need

655
00:35:53,600 --> 00:35:57,160
Speaker 1: to advertise this gosh, I think we're g so like

656
00:35:57,200 --> 00:36:02,000
Speaker 1: we're down to the whole yeah, yeah, yeah, yea yeah.

657
00:36:02,040 --> 00:36:04,040
Speaker 1: So it's like, you know, I shot for a and

658
00:36:04,080 --> 00:36:05,799
Speaker 1: I didn't get it, but there's four or five on

659
00:36:05,880 --> 00:36:10,840
Speaker 1: the ballot um otherwise um, But yeah, I I before

660
00:36:10,880 --> 00:36:15,640
Speaker 1: a sleepy voter or for Steve Um cruising through to

661
00:36:15,680 --> 00:36:17,960
Speaker 1: the bottom of his ballot. The language is very clear.

662
00:36:18,560 --> 00:36:21,239
Speaker 1: This is the right hunting fish boom and you'll see that.

663
00:36:21,360 --> 00:36:24,600
Speaker 1: Hunt it down, hunt it down, and and love America

664
00:36:24,680 --> 00:36:27,320
Speaker 1: and the great State of Utah and support that amendment.

665
00:36:27,360 --> 00:36:29,120
Speaker 1: That's kind of what we're going for. What else throws

666
00:36:29,160 --> 00:36:30,600
Speaker 1: me on the ballots is when you get down to

667
00:36:30,640 --> 00:36:32,840
Speaker 1: the part where you're like voting for a judge but

668
00:36:32,880 --> 00:36:36,240
Speaker 1: it doesn't seem as anyone running against him. I'm always

669
00:36:36,239 --> 00:36:41,279
Speaker 1: torn too, because I'm like, there there's anybody running against them.

670
00:36:41,480 --> 00:36:42,960
Speaker 1: You might as will make them feel good and write

671
00:36:42,960 --> 00:36:45,600
Speaker 1: there named out see. But here's here's the thing. At

672
00:36:45,680 --> 00:36:49,640
Speaker 1: that point, it you're not responsible like all those people

673
00:36:49,640 --> 00:36:52,480
Speaker 1: who were who could have ran for judge and didn't.

674
00:36:53,040 --> 00:36:55,520
Speaker 1: That's where the blame is. So you just go with

675
00:36:55,560 --> 00:36:58,600
Speaker 1: what you've got before you that that whole who's screwed up?

676
00:36:58,680 --> 00:37:00,920
Speaker 1: Isn't you in the ballot box that point, it's whoever

677
00:37:01,320 --> 00:37:04,719
Speaker 1: you know didn't step up and run, or or maybe

678
00:37:04,760 --> 00:37:07,040
Speaker 1: it really is just a good judge. Don't don't, don't

679
00:37:07,080 --> 00:37:09,160
Speaker 1: harbor any guilt on that. That's all I'm trying to say.

680
00:37:09,239 --> 00:37:11,920
Speaker 1: But he's so just like, has such an impeccable career

681
00:37:12,000 --> 00:37:13,680
Speaker 1: he or she that there's just no one could even

682
00:37:13,800 --> 00:37:16,080
Speaker 1: remotely challenge. Yeah, that one, that one's not on you

683
00:37:16,080 --> 00:37:17,920
Speaker 1: just go with it. Just go with it. Do you

684
00:37:17,920 --> 00:37:20,200
Speaker 1: do you imagine you're gonna become a career politician? Oh, man,

685
00:37:20,239 --> 00:37:24,680
Speaker 1: I hope not. Everybody. Don't do the false modesty, false

686
00:37:24,719 --> 00:37:28,640
Speaker 1: bashful ship. Every politician says that. I'll tell you one

687
00:37:28,719 --> 00:37:32,799
Speaker 1: that didn't, though. I think I remember we had Wyoming's

688
00:37:32,800 --> 00:37:34,799
Speaker 1: former governor we talked about a minute ago. Matt Meat

689
00:37:34,840 --> 00:37:37,239
Speaker 1: was on the show once and he was turning out

690
00:37:37,280 --> 00:37:39,200
Speaker 1: as governor and I was like, so, what are you

691
00:37:39,239 --> 00:37:41,360
Speaker 1: gonna do next? He's like nothing, I'm done doing politics.

692
00:37:41,400 --> 00:37:42,799
Speaker 1: And I'm like, oh, come on, this is like a

693
00:37:43,480 --> 00:37:46,319
Speaker 1: it'll be like a week and you'll be But I

694
00:37:46,320 --> 00:37:50,479
Speaker 1: think he actually meant it like he quit. He's done,

695
00:37:50,680 --> 00:37:52,680
Speaker 1: unless he pops up. But I mean I was, like

696
00:37:52,760 --> 00:37:54,080
Speaker 1: I thought it was he was doing the old like

697
00:37:54,960 --> 00:37:58,360
Speaker 1: you know, act like keeping a secret or whatever. But

698
00:37:58,440 --> 00:38:02,919
Speaker 1: it seems like he just full um stop, he's done.

699
00:38:03,160 --> 00:38:06,640
Speaker 1: That's my dream, you know. I want my if if

700
00:38:06,719 --> 00:38:10,400
Speaker 1: my place could be fully productive in my ranch running,

701
00:38:10,560 --> 00:38:12,719
Speaker 1: that's what I want at the end of all this. Like,

702
00:38:13,000 --> 00:38:15,440
Speaker 1: so my wife and I bought our place. It's not inherited.

703
00:38:15,440 --> 00:38:17,160
Speaker 1: We didn't come we both grew up in it, but

704
00:38:17,200 --> 00:38:20,280
Speaker 1: bought our own place. Uh, that to me is more important,

705
00:38:20,280 --> 00:38:22,560
Speaker 1: you know. And I've got a couple of people off man,

706
00:38:22,640 --> 00:38:27,000
Speaker 1: oh man, it's it's Uh. I think I like to gamble,

707
00:38:27,040 --> 00:38:29,439
Speaker 1: but I don't really gamble is not really legal. It's

708
00:38:29,440 --> 00:38:31,399
Speaker 1: not legal in the state of Utah. So I think

709
00:38:31,560 --> 00:38:35,560
Speaker 1: farming sort of supplements that itch. Uh. But yeah, so

710
00:38:35,600 --> 00:38:37,720
Speaker 1: that that's for me, the big thing, you know, I'm

711
00:38:37,760 --> 00:38:41,000
Speaker 1: happy to serve. I actually before I ran for office,

712
00:38:41,080 --> 00:38:44,200
Speaker 1: I I made the poor life decisions of working as

713
00:38:44,200 --> 00:38:46,279
Speaker 1: a staffer in politics. So I worked in d C

714
00:38:46,440 --> 00:38:49,080
Speaker 1: for a little while and when this seat that I

715
00:38:49,200 --> 00:38:51,160
Speaker 1: currently hold came open, it was like, well, I think

716
00:38:51,200 --> 00:38:53,799
Speaker 1: I could help out. I kind of have been through

717
00:38:53,840 --> 00:38:56,080
Speaker 1: this mess before maybe I can do a few things,

718
00:38:56,160 --> 00:38:57,919
Speaker 1: but I you know, I'd like to do a few

719
00:38:58,040 --> 00:39:00,920
Speaker 1: terms and then if there's something else whatever, But my

720
00:39:01,040 --> 00:39:05,800
Speaker 1: preference would be farming, hunting, and fishing, because this really

721
00:39:05,840 --> 00:39:07,759
Speaker 1: screws up with the things that I like to do.

722
00:39:08,040 --> 00:39:09,960
Speaker 1: How many, how many of how many of you are there?

723
00:39:09,960 --> 00:39:13,439
Speaker 1: How many people around the state in what the state?

724
00:39:16,320 --> 00:39:19,160
Speaker 1: So like, there's only one, Casey Snyder, if that's what

725
00:39:19,200 --> 00:39:22,200
Speaker 1: you're asking, there's only one. Only put in national terms

726
00:39:22,200 --> 00:39:25,160
Speaker 1: real quick first, since the people understand or help me

727
00:39:25,239 --> 00:39:27,839
Speaker 1: and the listener to understand, like we all know that,

728
00:39:28,040 --> 00:39:31,439
Speaker 1: you know, we have whatever three hundred and sixty four

729
00:39:31,520 --> 00:39:35,840
Speaker 1: whatever the hell it is. Congress congressman congresswomen in washingtond c.

730
00:39:36,040 --> 00:39:38,520
Speaker 1: Represent the country, and we have a hundred senators to

731
00:39:38,640 --> 00:39:41,480
Speaker 1: from each state. You could have a state like all

732
00:39:41,520 --> 00:39:43,879
Speaker 1: states get to a lot of states. You might only

733
00:39:43,880 --> 00:39:46,279
Speaker 1: have one representative, or the state might like like you

734
00:39:46,360 --> 00:39:49,479
Speaker 1: have twenty depending on population and land mass, I think,

735
00:39:50,000 --> 00:39:53,920
Speaker 1: But then you have your state version, right, and it's

736
00:39:53,920 --> 00:39:57,080
Speaker 1: a way different job. It's way better. I can go

737
00:39:57,120 --> 00:39:58,400
Speaker 1: home at night and I only have to do this

738
00:39:58,440 --> 00:40:00,960
Speaker 1: for a couple of months. Yeah, And but I didn't

739
00:40:01,000 --> 00:40:03,919
Speaker 1: realize it's it's like it's not quite but like it's

740
00:40:04,000 --> 00:40:07,479
Speaker 1: almost sort of a voluntary Yeah, like you guys aren't

741
00:40:07,480 --> 00:40:11,000
Speaker 1: like breaking it in. I only get paid January, February

742
00:40:11,000 --> 00:40:13,280
Speaker 1: and part of March when I'm there, and so everything

743
00:40:13,320 --> 00:40:16,359
Speaker 1: else is sort of on my my dime. Uh. And

744
00:40:16,400 --> 00:40:18,359
Speaker 1: even then when you're down there, it's like, you know,

745
00:40:19,000 --> 00:40:21,520
Speaker 1: I probably can stay home and make more money. But yeah,

746
00:40:21,560 --> 00:40:23,719
Speaker 1: it's kind of a pure form of politics the state

747
00:40:24,520 --> 00:40:27,839
Speaker 1: the to serve at the state level. But but I

748
00:40:27,880 --> 00:40:30,600
Speaker 1: actually think that's a good thing, you know, so so

749
00:40:31,040 --> 00:40:34,680
Speaker 1: it puts the it changes the incentives. Right, So maybe

750
00:40:34,680 --> 00:40:36,120
Speaker 1: in d C. If if I'm gonna go make a

751
00:40:36,200 --> 00:40:38,520
Speaker 1: hundred fifty k, heck, y'all'll run for Congress, right or

752
00:40:38,520 --> 00:40:40,640
Speaker 1: I'll be a senator. And you don't see what happens

753
00:40:41,000 --> 00:40:43,719
Speaker 1: in the legislature where in our capital when you're making

754
00:40:43,760 --> 00:40:46,200
Speaker 1: like ten or twelve thousand dollars a year and you

755
00:40:46,280 --> 00:40:48,479
Speaker 1: got to do this, I bet this takes at least

756
00:40:48,480 --> 00:40:51,880
Speaker 1: thirty hours a week for me, Like you're gonna do

757
00:40:51,960 --> 00:40:55,360
Speaker 1: it because you legitimately feel like it's service, you know,

758
00:40:55,480 --> 00:40:58,680
Speaker 1: like I'm not getting rich and and frankly, I doubt

759
00:40:58,719 --> 00:41:02,680
Speaker 1: I'm going anywhere after this. So it's it's literally a

760
00:41:02,760 --> 00:41:05,120
Speaker 1: chance for me to go and say, hey, neighbors, what's

761
00:41:05,120 --> 00:41:07,400
Speaker 1: important to you? How can I how can I impact

762
00:41:07,480 --> 00:41:09,799
Speaker 1: this in a positive way? You know? And and I

763
00:41:09,800 --> 00:41:12,400
Speaker 1: think that trickles down like how much look at a

764
00:41:12,400 --> 00:41:15,680
Speaker 1: county commissioner, look at a mayor, look at a city councilperson,

765
00:41:15,800 --> 00:41:17,719
Speaker 1: right like those you're looking at a county commissioner. And

766
00:41:17,719 --> 00:41:20,399
Speaker 1: see that's what I'm saying, Like, that's that service, right

767
00:41:20,480 --> 00:41:23,359
Speaker 1: like and and and and proof of that is? What? What?

768
00:41:23,360 --> 00:41:25,600
Speaker 1: What's your incentive at the end of this. No, it's

769
00:41:25,600 --> 00:41:27,600
Speaker 1: like I feel like I can make a positive impact

770
00:41:27,640 --> 00:41:30,760
Speaker 1: on my community. I'm gonna step up and do my time. Uh.

771
00:41:30,840 --> 00:41:32,640
Speaker 1: At the end of this, nobody's gonna know my name.

772
00:41:32,719 --> 00:41:35,200
Speaker 1: I I call down the city offices. I represent about

773
00:41:35,239 --> 00:41:40,120
Speaker 1: seven towns in my little valley, how many about thand

774
00:41:41,719 --> 00:41:45,319
Speaker 1: decent size. But I'll call the city of Hey and

775
00:41:45,360 --> 00:41:48,239
Speaker 1: they all love me, I'm sure. Uh. But see, I'll

776
00:41:48,239 --> 00:41:49,840
Speaker 1: call the city office and I'll say, Hey, this is

777
00:41:49,920 --> 00:41:52,480
Speaker 1: Casey Snyder. I'd like to rent a room for the

778
00:41:52,520 --> 00:41:54,400
Speaker 1: afternoon to have a town hall or you know, just

779
00:41:54,400 --> 00:41:57,319
Speaker 1: talk to some people and they'll be like, Okay, who

780
00:41:57,360 --> 00:42:01,360
Speaker 1: are you and that's you know, that's a that is perfect.

781
00:42:01,440 --> 00:42:03,279
Speaker 1: I love that because then it's like, oh yeah, yeah,

782
00:42:03,320 --> 00:42:05,840
Speaker 1: you know what, I'm nobody, but can I borrow the

783
00:42:05,960 --> 00:42:08,239
Speaker 1: room for the night. So do you get um, do

784
00:42:08,280 --> 00:42:11,360
Speaker 1: you get people in your constituency or super piste at

785
00:42:11,400 --> 00:42:17,120
Speaker 1: the all time? Um? Well, there are people. Clearly they're

786
00:42:17,120 --> 00:42:20,520
Speaker 1: not a majority because I'm still here right but but yeah,

787
00:42:20,680 --> 00:42:25,560
Speaker 1: I I I actually have a file um in my inbox.

788
00:42:25,680 --> 00:42:30,040
Speaker 1: Were like, people are super creative when they they're insulting you,

789
00:42:30,200 --> 00:42:33,000
Speaker 1: like some people, it's it is amazing. I'm like, gosh,

790
00:42:33,000 --> 00:42:34,520
Speaker 1: I wish I was that smart when I was mad.

791
00:42:34,960 --> 00:42:37,760
Speaker 1: I file it away and I read it back to myself,

792
00:42:37,800 --> 00:42:40,600
Speaker 1: you know, like I'm like, gosh that whenever I'm really

793
00:42:40,600 --> 00:42:43,000
Speaker 1: pissed at somebody, I'm gonna use this. I'm gonna use

794
00:42:43,040 --> 00:42:45,840
Speaker 1: email a and all the phrases that were thrown at me.

795
00:42:46,080 --> 00:42:49,040
Speaker 1: That's that's so. Yeah. Yeah, I I tork a few

796
00:42:49,040 --> 00:42:50,960
Speaker 1: people off shore. I think it's part of the deal.

797
00:42:51,080 --> 00:42:55,640
Speaker 1: And you get you get dragged into stuff um that

798
00:42:55,680 --> 00:42:59,759
Speaker 1: you probably don't have any background in though. Uh yeah,

799
00:43:00,040 --> 00:43:02,600
Speaker 1: you know, I think there's look, I I know where

800
00:43:02,600 --> 00:43:05,120
Speaker 1: my lane is. Like if you ask me about cows

801
00:43:05,280 --> 00:43:08,560
Speaker 1: or hunt and fishing or you know, natural resources generally, yeah,

802
00:43:08,600 --> 00:43:10,840
Speaker 1: I think I can articulate an answer, but you know,

803
00:43:10,880 --> 00:43:12,759
Speaker 1: you put me on some of these social issues and

804
00:43:12,800 --> 00:43:17,080
Speaker 1: like urban housing, it's like, uh, I live on a farm.

805
00:43:17,200 --> 00:43:19,640
Speaker 1: Like how am I supposed to know what good state

806
00:43:19,680 --> 00:43:23,120
Speaker 1: policy is for high density housing? You know? So, yeah

807
00:43:23,360 --> 00:43:25,200
Speaker 1: that happens. What are you do in those cases? You know,

808
00:43:25,239 --> 00:43:28,279
Speaker 1: I call an expert, you know what? What Like you

809
00:43:28,360 --> 00:43:30,960
Speaker 1: find a constituent who's got background in it. You know,

810
00:43:31,040 --> 00:43:33,120
Speaker 1: you you do your research and you hope you make

811
00:43:33,160 --> 00:43:35,839
Speaker 1: an educated and informed decision when it's your time to vote.

812
00:43:36,160 --> 00:43:38,920
Speaker 1: The one thing with the legislature or in city government

813
00:43:38,960 --> 00:43:42,560
Speaker 1: or county government, any form is like you gotta vote

814
00:43:42,760 --> 00:43:45,040
Speaker 1: like it's yes or no on this and and you

815
00:43:45,080 --> 00:43:47,160
Speaker 1: may not be all the way prepared, but you know

816
00:43:47,800 --> 00:43:50,920
Speaker 1: you can't chicken out like put up or shut up

817
00:43:51,000 --> 00:43:52,919
Speaker 1: kind of a deal. You're there? Yeah, Well, everybody other

818
00:43:52,960 --> 00:43:55,040
Speaker 1: people in an exact same situation. You could have someone

819
00:43:55,080 --> 00:43:57,359
Speaker 1: in your state, someone coming out of a maybe has

820
00:43:57,360 --> 00:44:00,480
Speaker 1: a background in urban development and the weighing and on

821
00:44:00,560 --> 00:44:03,040
Speaker 1: egg issues, and no one would no one like thinks

822
00:44:03,080 --> 00:44:06,920
Speaker 1: the question right? Well, you know, I think all of

823
00:44:07,040 --> 00:44:11,880
Speaker 1: us have a good sense for Uh well, I'm I

824
00:44:11,880 --> 00:44:14,520
Speaker 1: grew up in agriculture, so I have a master's degree

825
00:44:14,560 --> 00:44:16,160
Speaker 1: in bol I don't know if I can say it

826
00:44:16,200 --> 00:44:21,120
Speaker 1: on the podcast. Um so yeah, but I think everybody

827
00:44:21,200 --> 00:44:24,000
Speaker 1: kind of knows, right, Like if you're an expert matter

828
00:44:24,120 --> 00:44:26,719
Speaker 1: and you you get somebody from downtown telling you how

829
00:44:26,760 --> 00:44:30,480
Speaker 1: to you know, commenting on an agg bill, like somebody

830
00:44:30,520 --> 00:44:32,520
Speaker 1: with a John Deer hat might step up and say,

831
00:44:32,600 --> 00:44:35,000
Speaker 1: all right, folks, let's let's tell it taste straight. And

832
00:44:35,160 --> 00:44:36,799
Speaker 1: you know, the same thing happens on my end if

833
00:44:36,800 --> 00:44:39,399
Speaker 1: I'm totally out left field on something I have no

834
00:44:39,480 --> 00:44:42,600
Speaker 1: business or no idea waiting into like somebody's gonna call

835
00:44:42,640 --> 00:44:45,600
Speaker 1: you out. And so that's the balance, like make informed decision,

836
00:44:45,680 --> 00:44:49,280
Speaker 1: make come up, do your homework, be educated on an issue.

837
00:44:49,600 --> 00:44:51,399
Speaker 1: But no, I'll just make crap up Like that's that's

838
00:44:51,440 --> 00:44:55,279
Speaker 1: poor policy. Do you think there's any um, what do

839
00:44:55,320 --> 00:44:57,400
Speaker 1: you think would happen if someone try to do a

840
00:44:57,520 --> 00:45:01,040
Speaker 1: right to hunt and fish bill for the US man?

841
00:45:02,160 --> 00:45:04,759
Speaker 1: I don't know. Listen, I bet I can't picture if

842
00:45:04,760 --> 00:45:09,439
Speaker 1: it would. I bet it wouldn't pass. You know what

843
00:45:09,480 --> 00:45:12,040
Speaker 1: the I don't know. The most wonderful thing about being

844
00:45:12,080 --> 00:45:15,080
Speaker 1: in the state legislature is I don't really care what

845
00:45:15,160 --> 00:45:20,200
Speaker 1: happens in DC, you know, like that world is so

846
00:45:20,239 --> 00:45:24,640
Speaker 1: screwed up an upside down right now, Like I don't uh,

847
00:45:24,960 --> 00:45:26,520
Speaker 1: I don't know. You know what's going to pass. So

848
00:45:26,760 --> 00:45:28,480
Speaker 1: the right to hunting fish in the state of Utah,

849
00:45:28,640 --> 00:45:30,600
Speaker 1: that's what's going to happen there coming up in a

850
00:45:30,640 --> 00:45:33,560
Speaker 1: few days, thirty days whatever, thirty four days just right

851
00:45:33,600 --> 00:45:36,399
Speaker 1: around the corner. I had this guy telling us one time,

852
00:45:36,440 --> 00:45:40,920
Speaker 1: there's this this historian, Um, I'm friends with the studies

853
00:45:40,960 --> 00:45:44,120
Speaker 1: like demographics and perceptions of hunting and the way hunting

854
00:45:44,120 --> 00:45:47,879
Speaker 1: gets covered in media and newspapers and things, and and

855
00:45:48,000 --> 00:45:51,239
Speaker 1: he was explaining to me that depending on how you

856
00:45:51,320 --> 00:45:56,040
Speaker 1: word it, Okay, you can word it approval of hunting

857
00:45:56,080 --> 00:46:00,000
Speaker 1: and fishing two Americans in a way that there's overwhelm

858
00:46:00,040 --> 00:46:04,400
Speaker 1: laming approval m. So basically to the effect of if

859
00:46:04,400 --> 00:46:07,120
Speaker 1: you go to Americans and you say, um, do you

860
00:46:07,280 --> 00:46:15,680
Speaker 1: support like regulated hunting and fishing and formed by you know,

861
00:46:16,640 --> 00:46:20,960
Speaker 1: biological input about wherever? Okay, and really sup it up

862
00:46:22,000 --> 00:46:25,920
Speaker 1: lay the whole thing out. Support of hunting actually is

863
00:46:26,239 --> 00:46:31,160
Speaker 1: higher now than it wasn't the eighties. The minute you

864
00:46:31,160 --> 00:46:35,520
Speaker 1: put any particular to it, it starts to fall apart. Well,

865
00:46:35,560 --> 00:46:38,439
Speaker 1: any like any little deep if the minute you add

866
00:46:38,440 --> 00:46:41,799
Speaker 1: a detail like um, you know whatever, you go like,

867
00:46:42,000 --> 00:46:46,320
Speaker 1: do you support you know, hunting deer or the boat. Also,

868
00:46:46,400 --> 00:46:50,160
Speaker 1: it's just like it just goes off like people sort

869
00:46:50,160 --> 00:46:52,319
Speaker 1: of they're like, yeah, I get it at a high level,

870
00:46:52,320 --> 00:46:54,640
Speaker 1: I get it, but don't I don't. I don't like

871
00:46:54,760 --> 00:46:58,239
Speaker 1: the little nitty gritty's. I don't like like things that

872
00:46:58,320 --> 00:47:02,879
Speaker 1: spell out like what exactly I'm saying I support? Why

873
00:47:02,880 --> 00:47:05,160
Speaker 1: don't we have this conversation before I ran my memy?

874
00:47:05,160 --> 00:47:07,359
Speaker 1: You know, like, how do how do I know if

875
00:47:07,520 --> 00:47:09,719
Speaker 1: through the eyes of history this is I wrote the

876
00:47:09,760 --> 00:47:11,840
Speaker 1: right thing down on the belt. We should have talked

877
00:47:11,880 --> 00:47:13,600
Speaker 1: before I know I went to all that. I think

878
00:47:13,600 --> 00:47:16,919
Speaker 1: you should have gone crazy crazy strip because in your

879
00:47:17,040 --> 00:47:21,640
Speaker 1: state yet strike while the iron's high, and like you

880
00:47:21,719 --> 00:47:25,200
Speaker 1: have a state that has that, Like it's very I

881
00:47:25,239 --> 00:47:28,680
Speaker 1: would from a distance, I would say it's like very supportive. Yeah,

882
00:47:28,719 --> 00:47:32,680
Speaker 1: we're red. We're very supportive of hunting and fishing rights,

883
00:47:32,760 --> 00:47:35,719
Speaker 1: very supportive of gun rights, right, So I would be

884
00:47:35,760 --> 00:47:38,759
Speaker 1: doing crazy stuff right now to lock it in, and

885
00:47:38,800 --> 00:47:42,680
Speaker 1: I'd be like, I'd have a trapping bill man. You know,

886
00:47:42,800 --> 00:47:46,160
Speaker 1: I the legislative session is starting here at the end

887
00:47:46,160 --> 00:47:48,279
Speaker 1: of January. If you want to talk about anything to

888
00:47:48,719 --> 00:47:50,719
Speaker 1: move down there and run many what do you guys make?

889
00:47:52,440 --> 00:47:54,040
Speaker 1: You know, you might want to take a lot of

890
00:47:54,120 --> 00:47:56,799
Speaker 1: zeros off of that, but you'll, you know, go with that.

891
00:47:58,840 --> 00:48:02,440
Speaker 1: Uh again, how many state legislator legists? Why can't I

892
00:48:02,480 --> 00:48:05,600
Speaker 1: say this word where it's a legislator legist. I'm a

893
00:48:05,680 --> 00:48:10,640
Speaker 1: legislator serving in the legislat churches? Yeah, so how many

894
00:48:10,680 --> 00:48:12,800
Speaker 1: of us are there? And I think they're hunting for

895
00:48:13,440 --> 00:48:17,439
Speaker 1: so on that senators and and representative. So I'm I'm

896
00:48:17,480 --> 00:48:20,200
Speaker 1: just a lowly representative. I'm not a you know, a

897
00:48:20,280 --> 00:48:22,960
Speaker 1: mighty senator like they across the hall over there. But

898
00:48:23,040 --> 00:48:25,359
Speaker 1: you know, in your terms up, you just finished your

899
00:48:25,360 --> 00:48:28,759
Speaker 1: first term. Yep, did anybody challenge you in the first time?

900
00:48:29,400 --> 00:48:33,600
Speaker 1: So I had an opponent in so I'm a Republican.

901
00:48:33,800 --> 00:48:38,319
Speaker 1: I had a Democratic opponent. Um, I have another Democratic

902
00:48:38,440 --> 00:48:43,080
Speaker 1: opponent this fall. Um. The Galhorana gets me last last

903
00:48:43,120 --> 00:48:46,359
Speaker 1: fall is she's awesome she's a really great lady. She's

904
00:48:46,400 --> 00:48:51,200
Speaker 1: actually the Democratic nominee for lieutenant governor our ticket. Um,

905
00:48:51,400 --> 00:48:54,360
Speaker 1: you guys ain't going to smear you guys, you know,

906
00:48:54,400 --> 00:48:59,160
Speaker 1: and you can't paign for she probably you know, it's

907
00:48:59,200 --> 00:49:01,120
Speaker 1: a toss up hood on a better job. Clearly we

908
00:49:01,160 --> 00:49:03,359
Speaker 1: believe a different things. She's a lot nicer than I am,

909
00:49:03,440 --> 00:49:08,280
Speaker 1: I'm sure, um, but we had a great race. I

910
00:49:08,280 --> 00:49:12,400
Speaker 1: I won about the vote down there. So we're my

911
00:49:12,520 --> 00:49:16,160
Speaker 1: little part of the world's very conservative. Um, I have

912
00:49:16,239 --> 00:49:18,839
Speaker 1: another lady who's running against me this year, and I

913
00:49:19,080 --> 00:49:22,160
Speaker 1: you know, I'm I'm optimistic will be okay. But either way,

914
00:49:22,440 --> 00:49:25,320
Speaker 1: I the way I like to do things back home

915
00:49:25,360 --> 00:49:27,400
Speaker 1: and in Cash Valley where I'm from, is you know,

916
00:49:27,480 --> 00:49:30,320
Speaker 1: we look, we've got to get along. And I clearly

917
00:49:30,360 --> 00:49:32,200
Speaker 1: have a set of things I believe in. But I

918
00:49:32,239 --> 00:49:35,040
Speaker 1: think there's there's good people and good ideas in the

919
00:49:35,040 --> 00:49:38,160
Speaker 1: whole world and I I I feel like, um, one

920
00:49:38,160 --> 00:49:39,680
Speaker 1: of the things that I did in my last race.

921
00:49:39,680 --> 00:49:40,799
Speaker 1: So I don't know if you want to go off

922
00:49:40,800 --> 00:49:42,960
Speaker 1: on this tangent. It's a little bit of a tangent. No,

923
00:49:43,040 --> 00:49:47,440
Speaker 1: if it has to do with um. Uh, this is

924
00:49:47,480 --> 00:49:49,359
Speaker 1: like to Get out the Vote episode. Yeah, let's just yeah,

925
00:49:49,400 --> 00:49:51,680
Speaker 1: let's go. And it has to do with how part

926
00:49:51,760 --> 00:49:54,080
Speaker 1: is in politics has rippen the country part. But then

927
00:49:54,200 --> 00:49:56,600
Speaker 1: someone can point to an area where it's not. That's great, Okay,

928
00:49:56,600 --> 00:49:58,279
Speaker 1: we'll go with that, where the world's where the whole

929
00:49:58,280 --> 00:50:00,880
Speaker 1: country is not gonna burn alive. And you know, so

930
00:50:01,080 --> 00:50:02,520
Speaker 1: one of the things that was really important to me

931
00:50:02,600 --> 00:50:04,920
Speaker 1: was that it's you know, in the face of what

932
00:50:04,960 --> 00:50:09,359
Speaker 1: I think is, uh, we should all be embarrassed about

933
00:50:09,400 --> 00:50:11,920
Speaker 1: where the state of our current national politics are. We

934
00:50:11,920 --> 00:50:14,839
Speaker 1: should all legitimately be embarrassed. And so when I ran

935
00:50:15,160 --> 00:50:19,000
Speaker 1: last session, I actually wrote an editorial that basically said this,

936
00:50:19,200 --> 00:50:22,080
Speaker 1: the person running against me is a great person. And

937
00:50:22,120 --> 00:50:24,560
Speaker 1: you look at all the stuff that she's done. She's

938
00:50:24,560 --> 00:50:27,520
Speaker 1: done a fabulous job. She she pushed for some propositions

939
00:50:27,520 --> 00:50:31,480
Speaker 1: that passed, and they were they were um fundamentally motivated

940
00:50:31,520 --> 00:50:33,520
Speaker 1: because she lost. It was on healthcare, and she lost

941
00:50:33,600 --> 00:50:36,360
Speaker 1: her mother to cancer and watched that happen and watched

942
00:50:36,360 --> 00:50:37,920
Speaker 1: all the money she had to spend. So she was

943
00:50:38,000 --> 00:50:41,200
Speaker 1: advocating from a real position, and she did a really

944
00:50:41,200 --> 00:50:43,239
Speaker 1: good job. And we may have differed on the particulars,

945
00:50:43,280 --> 00:50:45,239
Speaker 1: but she was sincere in her beliefs, and that's what

946
00:50:45,360 --> 00:50:48,360
Speaker 1: I articulated, and I said, look, we are She's a

947
00:50:48,400 --> 00:50:51,680
Speaker 1: good person. We just have a different, fundamental different view

948
00:50:51,760 --> 00:50:54,520
Speaker 1: on some key issues, and that's the difference. And like,

949
00:50:54,960 --> 00:50:58,120
Speaker 1: why can't we just talk about these differences or or

950
00:50:58,160 --> 00:51:01,960
Speaker 1: heaven forbid, find ways to weigh through those differences in

951
00:51:01,960 --> 00:51:03,799
Speaker 1: a way that's going to be beneficial to our to

952
00:51:03,840 --> 00:51:07,000
Speaker 1: our whole community, you know. And that's I feel like

953
00:51:07,000 --> 00:51:08,839
Speaker 1: we've stepped up and done that in our little part

954
00:51:08,880 --> 00:51:11,879
Speaker 1: of the world. I don't believe at a fundamental level

955
00:51:11,920 --> 00:51:14,040
Speaker 1: politics has to be a zero sum game. I think

956
00:51:14,040 --> 00:51:16,359
Speaker 1: we let it be that way, and I think we're

957
00:51:16,440 --> 00:51:21,200
Speaker 1: letting national leaders create this narrative that it's us against them,

958
00:51:21,400 --> 00:51:23,080
Speaker 1: and I don't think it has to be that way.

959
00:51:23,120 --> 00:51:27,319
Speaker 1: I think you can literally stand on your principles and say, look,

960
00:51:27,719 --> 00:51:29,840
Speaker 1: this person, I do not disagree or I do not

961
00:51:29,880 --> 00:51:32,200
Speaker 1: agree with them on all these issues. There's probably a

962
00:51:32,200 --> 00:51:34,040
Speaker 1: whole bunch we do, there's probably whole bunch of we don't,

963
00:51:34,200 --> 00:51:36,280
Speaker 1: but that doesn't change who they are as a person.

964
00:51:36,360 --> 00:51:38,480
Speaker 1: I think we've got to get past where we're at now.

965
00:51:38,800 --> 00:51:40,680
Speaker 1: So if you're getting out to vote, or you're supporting

966
00:51:40,719 --> 00:51:43,839
Speaker 1: a candidate or whatever you're doing. Like, let's in your

967
00:51:43,840 --> 00:51:45,960
Speaker 1: own neighborhood, in your own way, and you know, county

968
00:51:45,960 --> 00:51:49,280
Speaker 1: council or whatever you're doing. I let's push that debate.

969
00:51:49,360 --> 00:51:52,480
Speaker 1: That that's a ground swell I'd like to see is

970
00:51:52,840 --> 00:51:55,760
Speaker 1: where we start treating each other like Americans, like people

971
00:51:56,160 --> 00:51:59,200
Speaker 1: and just have debates about issues, not about right now,

972
00:51:59,200 --> 00:52:00,799
Speaker 1: all we do is have it's about who we are.

973
00:52:01,719 --> 00:52:05,719
Speaker 1: It's a waste of everybody's time. I have a six

974
00:52:05,800 --> 00:52:09,160
Speaker 1: year old in a six month old, so little little guys.

975
00:52:09,280 --> 00:52:12,719
Speaker 1: The thing I've been a little bit struggling um in

976
00:52:12,840 --> 00:52:18,719
Speaker 1: conversation with my kids is if you're like I might

977
00:52:18,760 --> 00:52:22,799
Speaker 1: be dismissive about a viewpoint that someone else would hold

978
00:52:23,880 --> 00:52:27,799
Speaker 1: in conversation and they pick up on it. Uh. I

979
00:52:27,920 --> 00:52:31,120
Speaker 1: now am oftentimes like when something some issue comes up,

980
00:52:32,120 --> 00:52:35,920
Speaker 1: I'm oftentimes trying to explain to them, like that person

981
00:52:37,200 --> 00:52:43,200
Speaker 1: believes what they believe with the same level of passion

982
00:52:43,760 --> 00:52:47,359
Speaker 1: that like you believe what you believe, Like you have

983
00:52:47,440 --> 00:52:49,520
Speaker 1: to try to get into this mindset of like when

984
00:52:49,560 --> 00:52:52,400
Speaker 1: you don't agree with someone, they're coming from something that

985
00:52:52,480 --> 00:52:56,360
Speaker 1: feels is real to them and it's not and you

986
00:52:56,440 --> 00:53:01,040
Speaker 1: can't always just have it be that they're dumb and wrong, right, right,

987
00:53:01,160 --> 00:53:04,160
Speaker 1: And it's a way bigger thing than that. They're like

988
00:53:04,239 --> 00:53:06,080
Speaker 1: they're dumb and wrong, and they're telling you something that

989
00:53:06,320 --> 00:53:11,839
Speaker 1: fundamentally they know. They would tell you they know inside note. Yeah,

990
00:53:12,120 --> 00:53:15,160
Speaker 1: and they thought that they've approached every possible way and

991
00:53:15,200 --> 00:53:20,560
Speaker 1: have come to this decision. Yeah. Weirdly we got into

992
00:53:20,600 --> 00:53:23,400
Speaker 1: this most recently around and this was like I almost

993
00:53:23,440 --> 00:53:25,239
Speaker 1: hesitate to bring this up. I'll fill this out. We

994
00:53:25,280 --> 00:53:27,319
Speaker 1: don't need to talk about it. We're talking about the

995
00:53:27,400 --> 00:53:36,440
Speaker 1: nine eleven hijackers to get to like to get into um,

996
00:53:36,480 --> 00:53:41,080
Speaker 1: if if you had somehow been able to like converse

997
00:53:41,200 --> 00:53:45,000
Speaker 1: with those individuals, their articulation of what they thought they

998
00:53:45,000 --> 00:53:48,360
Speaker 1: were doing and what they thought they were trying to accomplish,

999
00:53:48,480 --> 00:53:50,680
Speaker 1: wouldn't even you wouldn't even be able to approach it,

1000
00:53:51,200 --> 00:53:53,839
Speaker 1: but they would have something that they would tell you

1001
00:53:54,160 --> 00:53:56,880
Speaker 1: that they had arrived at and like the key and

1002
00:53:56,920 --> 00:54:00,120
Speaker 1: even understanding something that's just like an absolute what we

1003
00:54:00,160 --> 00:54:04,719
Speaker 1: would argue is like absolutely evil, absolutely wrong, the antithesis

1004
00:54:04,760 --> 00:54:08,239
Speaker 1: of everything we believe in, everything we stand for. There

1005
00:54:08,239 --> 00:54:13,680
Speaker 1: would still be deep down there some like explanation that

1006
00:54:13,680 --> 00:54:18,480
Speaker 1: that person held, and you're never gonna combat it or

1007
00:54:18,560 --> 00:54:21,160
Speaker 1: understand it without like taking the time to like like

1008
00:54:21,200 --> 00:54:24,879
Speaker 1: to try to at least understand where someone's coming from.

1009
00:54:24,920 --> 00:54:26,560
Speaker 1: If not, it's just like you do, you don't, you

1010
00:54:26,960 --> 00:54:29,319
Speaker 1: wind up with a sort of a superficial understanding of

1011
00:54:29,440 --> 00:54:32,600
Speaker 1: even the people you disagree with, like with me, Like like,

1012
00:54:32,640 --> 00:54:36,080
Speaker 1: for instance, if I'm uh in an engagement with someone

1013
00:54:36,120 --> 00:54:38,480
Speaker 1: who let's say it's someone who opposes the right to

1014
00:54:38,560 --> 00:54:41,360
Speaker 1: hunt and fish, you know, how would I ever be

1015
00:54:41,400 --> 00:54:50,560
Speaker 1: equipped two combat that? If I did never asked like

1016
00:54:50,640 --> 00:54:54,080
Speaker 1: what exactly, I'm like, Oh, they just don't want us

1017
00:54:54,120 --> 00:54:59,319
Speaker 1: to have fun? Right, are you really gonna get anywhere? Well?

1018
00:54:59,360 --> 00:55:01,520
Speaker 1: And I think it's how much easier it is to

1019
00:55:01,600 --> 00:55:06,040
Speaker 1: say you're evil or you're bad. I mean extreme examples aside,

1020
00:55:06,080 --> 00:55:09,680
Speaker 1: let's just that was a horrible example. We'll go into

1021
00:55:09,760 --> 00:55:11,680
Speaker 1: a narrow space about how do you get fishing? Yeah,

1022
00:55:11,880 --> 00:55:14,400
Speaker 1: I want to talk about my example. Oh, man, I know,

1023
00:55:14,480 --> 00:55:17,040
Speaker 1: I want to go deep. I say, it's a horrible example.

1024
00:55:17,040 --> 00:55:19,400
Speaker 1: It's an extreme example. But I think in that case

1025
00:55:19,920 --> 00:55:22,759
Speaker 1: being I like it came up through I don't want

1026
00:55:22,760 --> 00:55:25,000
Speaker 1: to bory with how the subject came up at dinner.

1027
00:55:25,080 --> 00:55:27,880
Speaker 1: This is what's your kids? They because they know about

1028
00:55:29,040 --> 00:55:32,480
Speaker 1: to the site. Well, it's my ten year old, they know. Man,

1029
00:55:33,360 --> 00:55:36,640
Speaker 1: there sounds like they're pretty well informed kids. Well, I

1030
00:55:36,640 --> 00:55:38,359
Speaker 1: mean the older one knows that that was the thing

1031
00:55:38,400 --> 00:55:40,960
Speaker 1: that I mean at this point, like people know that

1032
00:55:40,960 --> 00:55:44,920
Speaker 1: that happened one day. And uh, it's an extreme example.

1033
00:55:44,920 --> 00:55:46,400
Speaker 1: But it's like with kids, you sometimes have to have

1034
00:55:46,440 --> 00:55:49,800
Speaker 1: extreme examples. It came up, yeah, and it's it's a

1035
00:55:49,880 --> 00:55:54,160
Speaker 1: lot easier to just say this. You know this this

1036
00:55:54,239 --> 00:55:56,960
Speaker 1: person they disagree with my right to hunting fish. They're

1037
00:55:57,000 --> 00:55:59,759
Speaker 1: they're dumb, they're evil, they're stupid. You know, like how

1038
00:55:59,800 --> 00:56:02,040
Speaker 1: am I cheesier? Is that to say? Then? You know,

1039
00:56:02,200 --> 00:56:05,520
Speaker 1: they have an opinion, and it's probably based on experience

1040
00:56:05,640 --> 00:56:09,560
Speaker 1: or fundamental belief in whatever they believe in. And you know,

1041
00:56:09,840 --> 00:56:12,239
Speaker 1: I mean some of this stuff. Majority rules, right, that's

1042
00:56:12,320 --> 00:56:15,640
Speaker 1: kind of the the are how our systems taken take

1043
00:56:15,640 --> 00:56:18,239
Speaker 1: shape and how it runs anyway, so wins and so

1044
00:56:19,640 --> 00:56:22,839
Speaker 1: can have a strong opinion and they're probably gonna lose

1045
00:56:22,880 --> 00:56:24,839
Speaker 1: to the majority, right, Like that's just that's the sad

1046
00:56:24,880 --> 00:56:26,480
Speaker 1: part of politics. But the other side of that is

1047
00:56:26,520 --> 00:56:29,200
Speaker 1: and how you debate and how you engage, that's the

1048
00:56:29,200 --> 00:56:32,080
Speaker 1: part you can control. You can still advocate strongly for

1049
00:56:32,160 --> 00:56:34,720
Speaker 1: your position, whatever it is, and push for your belief

1050
00:56:34,800 --> 00:56:37,239
Speaker 1: whatever it is, but you don't have to do it

1051
00:56:37,239 --> 00:56:40,600
Speaker 1: at the expense of somebody else's opinions. And that's I

1052
00:56:40,600 --> 00:56:43,239
Speaker 1: think where we should all shift fundamentally as a as

1053
00:56:43,239 --> 00:56:46,400
Speaker 1: a country. But a body day sent me a text

1054
00:56:46,440 --> 00:56:51,279
Speaker 1: exchange he was having with someone from Peter and I'm

1055
00:56:51,280 --> 00:56:54,920
Speaker 1: reading through the tax exchange and it winds up towards

1056
00:56:54,960 --> 00:56:57,879
Speaker 1: the end it takes on this tone of like really

1057
00:56:57,920 --> 00:57:01,560
Speaker 1: we're talking about the same thing, like surprising how much

1058
00:57:01,640 --> 00:57:04,719
Speaker 1: we sort of care about the you know, like that

1059
00:57:04,800 --> 00:57:10,120
Speaker 1: from engagement that would be like okay, now, uh what exactly,

1060
00:57:10,239 --> 00:57:14,120
Speaker 1: like what's the problem right, you know, instead of like

1061
00:57:14,239 --> 00:57:17,120
Speaker 1: not not all the you know, just like a debate.

1062
00:57:17,760 --> 00:57:19,840
Speaker 1: I run it all time, Like when you hear from people,

1063
00:57:20,360 --> 00:57:24,600
Speaker 1: if if we get notes, some people who are just mad, right,

1064
00:57:24,640 --> 00:57:32,600
Speaker 1: they're just mad. Oftentimes even opening up, even creating the

1065
00:57:32,720 --> 00:57:39,479
Speaker 1: feeling that there's a conversation people get, the stress level

1066
00:57:39,480 --> 00:57:44,440
Speaker 1: goes down in correspondence with people, I believe, you know

1067
00:57:44,480 --> 00:57:46,520
Speaker 1: what one of my favorite things to do is so

1068
00:57:46,560 --> 00:57:48,840
Speaker 1: if I get a really let's let's say I get

1069
00:57:48,840 --> 00:57:52,960
Speaker 1: an email that's really is is nasty and mean but

1070
00:57:53,080 --> 00:57:55,120
Speaker 1: not creative, right, so I can't file it away to

1071
00:57:55,240 --> 00:57:57,160
Speaker 1: use later. But it's just I could tell these people

1072
00:57:57,200 --> 00:58:00,080
Speaker 1: are torked off at me. I will find them in

1073
00:58:00,120 --> 00:58:03,560
Speaker 1: a creepy way, right, but like with the Google or whatever,

1074
00:58:03,840 --> 00:58:06,919
Speaker 1: use use the white pages. I will go and find

1075
00:58:06,920 --> 00:58:09,520
Speaker 1: out where they live and I'll just knock on the

1076
00:58:09,560 --> 00:58:13,400
Speaker 1: door and be like, Hi, I'm Casey Snyders. We've actually

1077
00:58:13,440 --> 00:58:16,200
Speaker 1: never met in person before, but we've you know, had

1078
00:58:16,200 --> 00:58:20,200
Speaker 1: correspondence through email. Let me hear your concern and I've

1079
00:58:20,200 --> 00:58:23,960
Speaker 1: had You would be shocked, like the most angry, ardent

1080
00:58:24,080 --> 00:58:27,479
Speaker 1: person through whatever form of communication. When you're there face

1081
00:58:27,560 --> 00:58:29,400
Speaker 1: to face and just being like, tell me what's on

1082
00:58:29,440 --> 00:58:32,400
Speaker 1: your mind, they'll go and and half the time it's

1083
00:58:32,400 --> 00:58:34,000
Speaker 1: like looking down at their feet and like, you know,

1084
00:58:34,120 --> 00:58:36,080
Speaker 1: I was just a little upset and it was late

1085
00:58:36,080 --> 00:58:38,880
Speaker 1: at night, you know, and whatever. But it's just that conversation.

1086
00:58:38,920 --> 00:58:42,320
Speaker 1: It's just talkative people. You figure it out. That stuff

1087
00:58:42,320 --> 00:58:45,600
Speaker 1: does give me hope, man, Yeah, I should that when

1088
00:58:45,640 --> 00:58:52,600
Speaker 1: all this whatever this is, COVID has made it bad too.

1089
00:58:53,200 --> 00:58:57,360
Speaker 1: Everybody's cooped inside going crazy, so your mind runs away

1090
00:58:57,400 --> 00:58:59,880
Speaker 1: with you. Man, I'll talk about it the r day.

1091
00:59:00,280 --> 00:59:03,440
Speaker 1: Is that all I hear about is how we're all

1092
00:59:03,440 --> 00:59:06,880
Speaker 1: going to kill each other and hate each other. But

1093
00:59:06,920 --> 00:59:10,240
Speaker 1: then when I go about my day, I just have

1094
00:59:10,400 --> 00:59:14,280
Speaker 1: like really like positive and like I understand, like how

1095
00:59:14,320 --> 00:59:17,440
Speaker 1: could I still be getting away with having really positive interactions?

1096
00:59:18,280 --> 00:59:22,000
Speaker 1: I feel like I'm doing something wrong. Like I just

1097
00:59:22,040 --> 00:59:24,960
Speaker 1: go through, like I just run into people. I don't

1098
00:59:24,960 --> 00:59:27,000
Speaker 1: know if something due at the boat launched, I'm like, hey,

1099
00:59:27,040 --> 00:59:32,920
Speaker 1: he's like, hey, you want a wall? Yeah? Man, how

1100
00:59:33,040 --> 00:59:36,080
Speaker 1: is that possible? He'll get there, get We didn't even

1101
00:59:36,120 --> 00:59:41,160
Speaker 1: like fight about anything, you know. I think politics is terrible.

1102
00:59:41,160 --> 00:59:44,560
Speaker 1: People are good fundamentally, and I think we'll get there.

1103
00:59:45,200 --> 00:59:47,920
Speaker 1: Let the cameras come off of whatever is happening over there.

1104
00:59:47,920 --> 00:59:49,480
Speaker 1: That's why I say, I don't even care about that.

1105
00:59:49,520 --> 00:59:51,360
Speaker 1: I'll just focus on what I could control back home.

1106
00:59:51,920 --> 00:59:55,800
Speaker 1: Let the cameras come off. I think fundamentally we all

1107
00:59:55,840 --> 00:59:58,919
Speaker 1: like each other, even if we're like really really mad

1108
00:59:58,960 --> 01:00:03,360
Speaker 1: at each other right now, That's what I think. Anyway,

1109
01:00:03,400 --> 01:00:06,320
Speaker 1: we'll see. I could be wrong. I was reading. I

1110
01:00:06,320 --> 01:00:10,080
Speaker 1: can't remember who it was a person in healthcare policy

1111
01:00:11,520 --> 01:00:16,919
Speaker 1: predicting that one COVID ends. I don't know if they're

1112
01:00:16,920 --> 01:00:18,960
Speaker 1: just saying this because we still thinking, but there's gonna

1113
01:00:19,000 --> 01:00:23,600
Speaker 1: be sort of this, uh that, this sort of collective

1114
01:00:23,680 --> 01:00:27,560
Speaker 1: hug and niceness. Let's go with that, man, let's go.

1115
01:00:27,720 --> 01:00:29,280
Speaker 1: I was like, I don't know, but I like it.

1116
01:00:31,520 --> 01:00:33,240
Speaker 1: I like it. You know, we had a little glimmer

1117
01:00:33,400 --> 01:00:35,960
Speaker 1: that back home, so our cases were pretty low, and

1118
01:00:36,400 --> 01:00:39,520
Speaker 1: our county decided to have the County Fair, you know,

1119
01:00:39,600 --> 01:00:41,720
Speaker 1: and it was just we're still going to go forward

1120
01:00:41,720 --> 01:00:45,120
Speaker 1: with it, and in person, yeah, yeah, we still we

1121
01:00:45,320 --> 01:00:47,720
Speaker 1: in Cash County. We still had the fair and the

1122
01:00:47,880 --> 01:00:50,280
Speaker 1: rodeo and everything else. And there was no spike, you know,

1123
01:00:50,320 --> 01:00:54,800
Speaker 1: at the end of it, everything, no changes, no changes science. Yeah,

1124
01:00:55,000 --> 01:00:58,160
Speaker 1: we we didn't let the carneys in, so you know

1125
01:00:58,240 --> 01:01:01,480
Speaker 1: that there was no fairs stuff, so that was a change.

1126
01:01:01,760 --> 01:01:05,160
Speaker 1: But like it was the fair. I love the fair.

1127
01:01:06,960 --> 01:01:09,160
Speaker 1: It felt like I wanted I walked around the fair.

1128
01:01:09,160 --> 01:01:11,040
Speaker 1: I'm like, just the fact that we had the fair,

1129
01:01:11,760 --> 01:01:13,520
Speaker 1: I kind of want to give people a hug, just

1130
01:01:13,560 --> 01:01:16,000
Speaker 1: be like, you know what, it's so good to see.

1131
01:01:16,160 --> 01:01:18,280
Speaker 1: It was like kind of normal, So I think you're

1132
01:01:18,480 --> 01:01:20,640
Speaker 1: I think your health, budd He's right. You know, if

1133
01:01:20,720 --> 01:01:23,520
Speaker 1: if my little fair was any indication about like peace

1134
01:01:23,560 --> 01:01:25,960
Speaker 1: and love because we had a little bit of normalcy,

1135
01:01:25,960 --> 01:01:28,600
Speaker 1: I think let's go with that. Let's say he's gonna

1136
01:01:28,600 --> 01:01:32,880
Speaker 1: be right. I fear that we'll forget how to do it,

1137
01:01:34,600 --> 01:01:35,920
Speaker 1: like how do you do it? Like how do you

1138
01:01:35,920 --> 01:01:37,640
Speaker 1: go like that, We'll forget like how to just go

1139
01:01:37,760 --> 01:01:42,600
Speaker 1: be around people, forget how to enjoy a live concert. Yeah,

1140
01:01:42,640 --> 01:01:44,840
Speaker 1: like like that you'd go into a bar and I'd

1141
01:01:44,840 --> 01:01:47,080
Speaker 1: be like, why is this dude like breathing on me?

1142
01:01:47,160 --> 01:01:48,360
Speaker 1: Or you know, like I don't like I don't even

1143
01:01:48,400 --> 01:01:50,200
Speaker 1: go into places, you know what I mean? Like I

1144
01:01:50,200 --> 01:01:53,080
Speaker 1: don't do like extra stuff. I do the things that

1145
01:01:53,120 --> 01:01:57,600
Speaker 1: I deem kind of necessary, but I don't do um.

1146
01:01:58,280 --> 01:02:00,400
Speaker 1: I don't do a lot of like extra exposure stuff

1147
01:02:00,920 --> 01:02:02,120
Speaker 1: because I don't want to have to go. I don't

1148
01:02:02,120 --> 01:02:04,320
Speaker 1: want to have to have someone call me and tell

1149
01:02:04,320 --> 01:02:06,400
Speaker 1: me I got a lay low for two weeks in

1150
01:02:06,480 --> 01:02:09,600
Speaker 1: my house. That's like what I'm worried about. You'll be

1151
01:02:09,600 --> 01:02:11,640
Speaker 1: all right, You'll be all right. It's like, I mean,

1152
01:02:12,320 --> 01:02:14,960
Speaker 1: you know, the cliches ride a bike, right, like I

1153
01:02:15,000 --> 01:02:16,960
Speaker 1: think it's a lot easier just to be nice than

1154
01:02:17,000 --> 01:02:18,400
Speaker 1: it is to ride a bike. I think you'll be

1155
01:02:18,400 --> 01:02:21,040
Speaker 1: all right. I think you won't. You'll that fist bump

1156
01:02:21,080 --> 01:02:23,240
Speaker 1: will come right back, like, you'll be beyond all right.

1157
01:02:23,320 --> 01:02:25,400
Speaker 1: You'll do it with so much more exubera. It's like

1158
01:02:25,440 --> 01:02:27,320
Speaker 1: if you hadn't rant a bike for two years and

1159
01:02:27,320 --> 01:02:29,000
Speaker 1: you get on and you're like, oh, this is fun.

1160
01:02:29,800 --> 01:02:33,640
Speaker 1: Pedal pedal, pedal, stand up. Yeah, Like it feels so

1161
01:02:33,680 --> 01:02:38,080
Speaker 1: good to have this drunken man spitting into my face.

1162
01:02:38,120 --> 01:02:40,920
Speaker 1: I don't know where you're going when when this COVID

1163
01:02:40,920 --> 01:02:53,840
Speaker 1: thing is over, you might be a different places, alright,

1164
01:02:53,880 --> 01:02:58,320
Speaker 1: So turn our attention now to the I don't know

1165
01:02:58,320 --> 01:02:59,880
Speaker 1: if you realize this is a very bipart Is it

1166
01:02:59,920 --> 01:03:05,360
Speaker 1: a fair because wan It is um uh county commissioner

1167
01:03:05,800 --> 01:03:09,320
Speaker 1: who's a d But that's a county commissioner. So I

1168
01:03:09,360 --> 01:03:11,880
Speaker 1: think different states to you, guys aren't in competition with

1169
01:03:11,920 --> 01:03:15,440
Speaker 1: one another. But think Casey and I have. Yeah, I

1170
01:03:15,480 --> 01:03:19,160
Speaker 1: think our values probably aligned. I would tell I want

1171
01:03:19,160 --> 01:03:21,000
Speaker 1: I want to tell everybody couple things because here's my

1172
01:03:21,080 --> 01:03:26,920
Speaker 1: primary issue with I. I approaches different ways with Wanita

1173
01:03:26,960 --> 01:03:31,240
Speaker 1: is upcoming election one was that I would just tell people,

1174
01:03:32,480 --> 01:03:35,000
Speaker 1: because it's in Missoula County, how many people live in

1175
01:03:35,000 --> 01:03:38,560
Speaker 1: Missoula County. Our census hasn't been done of a hundred

1176
01:03:38,600 --> 01:03:42,640
Speaker 1: nineteen thousand. Maybe it's a sizeable constituency, second largest county

1177
01:03:42,800 --> 01:03:45,000
Speaker 1: in Montana. We're kind of a big deal. Billings and

1178
01:03:45,120 --> 01:03:51,360
Speaker 1: number one, I thought about taking this two different approaches.

1179
01:03:51,640 --> 01:03:54,600
Speaker 1: I was gonna tell people it doesn't matter anything about

1180
01:03:54,600 --> 01:03:58,200
Speaker 1: any detail about wine, it doesn't matter. Just go down

1181
01:03:58,320 --> 01:04:03,200
Speaker 1: the ballot, get to the bottom mid probably mid range.

1182
01:04:03,200 --> 01:04:06,560
Speaker 1: I do know where they're putting it down way low.

1183
01:04:07,120 --> 01:04:11,240
Speaker 1: Go down there, look for Juanita, look for Vero, vote Vero,

1184
01:04:11,400 --> 01:04:14,960
Speaker 1: use alliteration, vote Vero. Go down to the bottom, find Vero,

1185
01:04:15,080 --> 01:04:17,960
Speaker 1: and just check it. Under the assumption that most people

1186
01:04:18,000 --> 01:04:20,160
Speaker 1: who vote in Missoula County aren't getting that far on

1187
01:04:20,240 --> 01:04:22,320
Speaker 1: the ballot. Nothing to gives Missoula. But I just know

1188
01:04:22,400 --> 01:04:24,280
Speaker 1: from my own habits. I often, like I said, I

1189
01:04:24,320 --> 01:04:27,160
Speaker 1: peter her out towards the end, Like you get there,

1190
01:04:27,160 --> 01:04:29,440
Speaker 1: it's like, oh my god, the president, senators, like you're

1191
01:04:29,480 --> 01:04:33,000
Speaker 1: all excited, and then you know a lot of people

1192
01:04:33,000 --> 01:04:34,800
Speaker 1: just kind of leave it off. Right, What do you

1193
01:04:34,800 --> 01:04:37,919
Speaker 1: think of this strategy, so I wanted to do where

1194
01:04:37,920 --> 01:04:40,880
Speaker 1: I just told people to go find Juanita. The details

1195
01:04:40,920 --> 01:04:45,919
Speaker 1: didn't matter, nothing about her mattered. Just find her as

1196
01:04:45,920 --> 01:04:49,080
Speaker 1: a favorite to me, vote vero, check the box. But

1197
01:04:49,200 --> 01:04:51,560
Speaker 1: then I came around and I thought that I wanted

1198
01:04:51,560 --> 01:04:58,920
Speaker 1: to share like greater detail, fantastic one. Eeda lives in

1199
01:05:00,520 --> 01:05:02,840
Speaker 1: I don't know what you call your house, I need

1200
01:05:02,880 --> 01:05:05,120
Speaker 1: to lives where you She lives on the ranch where

1201
01:05:05,120 --> 01:05:09,439
Speaker 1: she was born. That's that I was a month old.

1202
01:05:09,640 --> 01:05:12,560
Speaker 1: My my folks were working on another ranch for a

1203
01:05:12,640 --> 01:05:16,400
Speaker 1: year before they came back to the ranch. But your

1204
01:05:16,400 --> 01:05:20,520
Speaker 1: grandfather lived there and my great grandfather. Okay, so she

1205
01:05:20,680 --> 01:05:23,520
Speaker 1: lives where her great grandfather lived, all right on the

1206
01:05:23,520 --> 01:05:27,720
Speaker 1: county yep Okay, same county. She lives where her great

1207
01:05:27,720 --> 01:05:31,680
Speaker 1: grandfather lived. Her grandfather lives. And you were born on

1208
01:05:31,760 --> 01:05:33,520
Speaker 1: some other ranch but then moved there for a month.

1209
01:05:33,560 --> 01:05:36,200
Speaker 1: And you live in kind of like a like a

1210
01:05:36,320 --> 01:05:37,400
Speaker 1: ca I don't know what the hell? What do you?

1211
01:05:37,480 --> 01:05:38,919
Speaker 1: What do you tell people? You live in my great

1212
01:05:38,920 --> 01:05:44,640
Speaker 1: grandmother's banks, my great grandmother's cabin with a lot of bats. Yeah,

1213
01:05:44,720 --> 01:05:47,400
Speaker 1: not far from Rice Ridge. Where you where you were

1214
01:05:47,440 --> 01:05:53,240
Speaker 1: in City Lake? Wanna is her property, which it's like

1215
01:05:53,280 --> 01:05:55,400
Speaker 1: Wan need his family, like Holy owns the property. But

1216
01:05:55,600 --> 01:05:59,760
Speaker 1: the property where you live, UM is in the black

1217
01:05:59,800 --> 01:06:02,560
Speaker 1: man is your program. It is one of one of

1218
01:06:02,600 --> 01:06:08,240
Speaker 1: the early early block management. My grandfather was was part

1219
01:06:08,360 --> 01:06:12,280
Speaker 1: of of bringing that to the western part of the state.

1220
01:06:12,440 --> 01:06:15,200
Speaker 1: Because I think block management, Yanna, you can check this.

1221
01:06:15,760 --> 01:06:18,640
Speaker 1: I think block management started on the eastern side first

1222
01:06:18,760 --> 01:06:23,040
Speaker 1: in Montana, but came over to the west side. So

1223
01:06:23,160 --> 01:06:26,479
Speaker 1: my my, my grant, we had problems. The story goes,

1224
01:06:26,640 --> 01:06:31,000
Speaker 1: oral tradition goes, we had problems with people cutting our fences,

1225
01:06:31,120 --> 01:06:35,920
Speaker 1: trust passing, shooting horses, what have you driving around causing

1226
01:06:36,000 --> 01:06:40,480
Speaker 1: health you know. Um. And my grandfather decided to take

1227
01:06:40,560 --> 01:06:43,800
Speaker 1: some of that management into his own hands. And so

1228
01:06:43,880 --> 01:06:47,840
Speaker 1: he was running around with his mother's purse gun and

1229
01:06:47,960 --> 01:06:50,560
Speaker 1: his in his glove, like shooting at people he thought

1230
01:06:50,600 --> 01:06:54,680
Speaker 1: were we're trust passing or we're hunting, not how he

1231
01:06:54,720 --> 01:06:59,680
Speaker 1: wanted them to be hunting, which is problematic. So with

1232
01:06:59,720 --> 01:07:01,560
Speaker 1: a how up of a neighbor who is a little

1233
01:07:01,560 --> 01:07:04,240
Speaker 1: more of a statesman, UM and working with our game warden,

1234
01:07:04,720 --> 01:07:08,280
Speaker 1: UM figure out that this is better too involve the

1235
01:07:08,320 --> 01:07:12,439
Speaker 1: public and to have this block management program where people

1236
01:07:12,480 --> 01:07:14,480
Speaker 1: are a little more investing because it's walking only too.

1237
01:07:14,520 --> 01:07:17,000
Speaker 1: So if you're walking in, you're not driving. It's a

1238
01:07:17,080 --> 01:07:20,120
Speaker 1: different type of hunter. I don't hunt or fish. What

1239
01:07:20,200 --> 01:07:24,160
Speaker 1: I mean you don't fish? Oh okay, well I fished

1240
01:07:24,160 --> 01:07:27,720
Speaker 1: with many times. Well I need to when fishing likes

1241
01:07:27,760 --> 01:07:32,600
Speaker 1: to uh dispatch the fish. Yeah, because I don't. I

1242
01:07:32,600 --> 01:07:37,800
Speaker 1: don't want to. I'd rather die quickly. Man. You watch

1243
01:07:38,240 --> 01:07:41,120
Speaker 1: we're gonna go off here. You watch a little perch

1244
01:07:41,280 --> 01:07:44,760
Speaker 1: that's been like frozen for like four hours suddenly come

1245
01:07:44,840 --> 01:07:48,440
Speaker 1: to life and your sink as you're scaling it. Yeah,

1246
01:07:48,800 --> 01:07:52,840
Speaker 1: there's a bad Yeah, not good. She doesn't like if

1247
01:07:52,880 --> 01:07:56,040
Speaker 1: you thought fishing people like fishing. The boat and it's

1248
01:07:56,040 --> 01:07:58,080
Speaker 1: flopping around in her mind would be like if you

1249
01:07:58,080 --> 01:08:01,439
Speaker 1: had a deer flopping around in your car, put it out,

1250
01:08:01,640 --> 01:08:03,800
Speaker 1: put it out of it. You got to put it out. Yeah,

1251
01:08:04,080 --> 01:08:07,600
Speaker 1: you're the mercy killer, undersells her hunting and fishing credentials.

1252
01:08:07,840 --> 01:08:10,440
Speaker 1: I am. I'm constantly reminded that I'm not from a

1253
01:08:10,520 --> 01:08:13,680
Speaker 1: fishing culture as well, from both these two and and

1254
01:08:13,680 --> 01:08:17,080
Speaker 1: and and my nephew reminds me of that because I

1255
01:08:17,080 --> 01:08:19,720
Speaker 1: I don't. I don't have the feel, you know, the

1256
01:08:19,760 --> 01:08:22,000
Speaker 1: hook goes all the way into the fish, like in

1257
01:08:22,080 --> 01:08:24,439
Speaker 1: its guts. Before I decided, before you're aware of this,

1258
01:08:24,880 --> 01:08:26,720
Speaker 1: before you're aware of the fishes presence on the other

1259
01:08:26,800 --> 01:08:29,960
Speaker 1: end of your line, So you're but so yeah, so

1260
01:08:30,120 --> 01:08:34,120
Speaker 1: back to the block management. It was just this really

1261
01:08:34,160 --> 01:08:37,640
Speaker 1: beautiful arrangement where you'd have fish, wildlife and parks and

1262
01:08:37,720 --> 01:08:39,920
Speaker 1: er and game more and do the management of the folks.

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Speaker 1: My grandfather wasn't running around trying to shoot at people.

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Speaker 1: People were respecting the landscape, respecting um the access and

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01:08:50,000 --> 01:08:53,600
Speaker 1: uh not tearing fences. And of course there's also some

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01:08:53,760 --> 01:08:56,599
Speaker 1: self policing going on too, which was really great because

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01:08:56,600 --> 01:08:59,439
Speaker 1: you have other hunters out there. They're watching there are

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01:08:59,439 --> 01:09:01,840
Speaker 1: other hunters you know, and make sure everyone's following the

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01:09:01,920 --> 01:09:05,320
Speaker 1: rules and so um so we've had a lot of

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Speaker 1: success with our block management program. We don't have to

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01:09:09,760 --> 01:09:12,479
Speaker 1: um you know, it's it's open to the public. You

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01:09:12,520 --> 01:09:15,080
Speaker 1: don't have to tell us, you don't have to get permission,

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01:09:15,160 --> 01:09:16,640
Speaker 1: you don't have to call us or sign up or

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Speaker 1: any of that. It's it's I mean, you have to

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01:09:19,360 --> 01:09:22,479
Speaker 1: park with appropriate places, but you don't have to sign

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01:09:22,760 --> 01:09:25,720
Speaker 1: you have to sign in. I guess no not, there's

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01:09:25,760 --> 01:09:29,799
Speaker 1: no sign in black management just for people to understand

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01:09:29,840 --> 01:09:33,640
Speaker 1: black management. It's a horrible name. God bless who ever

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01:09:33,640 --> 01:09:35,840
Speaker 1: came up with it, But black manage it's a public

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01:09:35,840 --> 01:09:38,800
Speaker 1: access program. It's like one of those names that no

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01:09:38,800 --> 01:09:41,280
Speaker 1: one would ever know what you're talking about. Well, you

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01:09:41,280 --> 01:09:43,439
Speaker 1: look at like the icon. There's there's a you know,

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01:09:43,520 --> 01:09:47,040
Speaker 1: a hunter with a rifle shaking hands with our great

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01:09:47,160 --> 01:09:50,000
Speaker 1: icon icon speaks at all the rancher shaking hands at

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01:09:50,000 --> 01:09:52,840
Speaker 1: a hunter. But yeah, black manages a public access program.

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01:09:52,880 --> 01:09:56,000
Speaker 1: So point being, you live in a place that is

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01:09:56,040 --> 01:10:02,240
Speaker 1: that on a black management you, Um, when you got

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01:10:02,240 --> 01:10:05,960
Speaker 1: married to my brother, you got married to my brother

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01:10:06,040 --> 01:10:10,479
Speaker 1: within sight of the bones of your grandfather intentionally, yes,

1290
01:10:12,080 --> 01:10:16,639
Speaker 1: buried in the family plot. It's not a plot to pasture.

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01:10:17,320 --> 01:10:21,599
Speaker 1: But like a pile of rocks, yes, yes, we put

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01:10:21,600 --> 01:10:23,840
Speaker 1: a pilot rocks on top of him. Yes, like right

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01:10:23,880 --> 01:10:27,040
Speaker 1: there on the property. And oftentimes I know that my

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01:10:27,040 --> 01:10:29,280
Speaker 1: wife told me this. You never told me this. But oftentimes,

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01:10:29,439 --> 01:10:32,719
Speaker 1: when you have a decision to make, is it true

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01:10:32,760 --> 01:10:36,040
Speaker 1: that you go out ship? Yeah, don't talk about this, No,

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01:10:36,920 --> 01:10:39,519
Speaker 1: someone just a couple of days ago, is that you

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01:10:39,520 --> 01:10:43,759
Speaker 1: know ed Robertson from Mountain Prairie. Anyways, it was asking

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01:10:43,800 --> 01:10:46,599
Speaker 1: me the same thing. But yes, I do. Your wife

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01:10:46,680 --> 01:10:50,599
Speaker 1: is very observant. I wanted it goes out to visit

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01:10:50,640 --> 01:10:53,200
Speaker 1: the bones of her grandfather when she needs to make

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01:10:53,240 --> 01:10:58,160
Speaker 1: a decision. Yes, and even when my brothers off hunting

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01:10:58,200 --> 01:11:02,360
Speaker 1: on their anniversary, wanted to get dressed in her wedding

1304
01:11:02,479 --> 01:11:06,439
Speaker 1: dress and goes out and sits on the rock where

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01:11:06,479 --> 01:11:11,479
Speaker 1: she married my brother by herself. To be fair, his

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01:11:11,600 --> 01:11:18,000
Speaker 1: brother's only missed one anniversary this year. This year we've

1307
01:11:18,479 --> 01:11:21,880
Speaker 1: we celebrate, you know, our anniversary, put the dress on,

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01:11:22,360 --> 01:11:27,439
Speaker 1: get the same bouquet, some champagne, We take our vows

1309
01:11:27,520 --> 01:11:30,240
Speaker 1: and and friends whoever's around, we stomp out to our

1310
01:11:30,280 --> 01:11:35,479
Speaker 1: wedding rock and you know, reevaluate our vows and uh, yeah,

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01:11:35,520 --> 01:11:41,240
Speaker 1: that's great. And this year COVID and uh it was

1312
01:11:41,280 --> 01:11:47,280
Speaker 1: like goats mount I don't know, some some hunting season issue.

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01:11:49,760 --> 01:11:52,120
Speaker 1: So my husband couldn't be there with me, so I

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01:11:52,160 --> 01:11:53,720
Speaker 1: was at the rock by myself. I knew it was

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01:11:53,720 --> 01:11:57,439
Speaker 1: going to happen. But yeah, yeah, point being I think

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01:11:58,720 --> 01:12:01,360
Speaker 1: all that I'm only bring this out like I'm not

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01:12:01,400 --> 01:12:08,320
Speaker 1: even to get into um how generous you are and

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01:12:08,360 --> 01:12:14,560
Speaker 1: how well, no, now that, but how um you're a

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01:12:14,640 --> 01:12:22,040
Speaker 1: wonderful aunt to my kids without any fanfare. Doesn't like kids,

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01:12:23,080 --> 01:12:26,360
Speaker 1: kind of lets the kids understand that she doesn't like them,

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01:12:26,400 --> 01:12:29,639
Speaker 1: but within that they love her because they know there's

1322
01:12:29,640 --> 01:12:34,800
Speaker 1: no bullshit like that's a mean lady. But I like

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01:12:34,880 --> 01:12:39,160
Speaker 1: her because she takes me horsebriding, gives me snacks. I

1324
01:12:39,200 --> 01:12:43,479
Speaker 1: could tell that she's got like a like you know, yeah,

1325
01:12:43,640 --> 01:12:46,640
Speaker 1: there's a threshold there. She's cool about it. I get it.

1326
01:12:46,680 --> 01:12:49,840
Speaker 1: I love her more for it. A wonderful aunt, like

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01:12:49,960 --> 01:12:52,680
Speaker 1: I think you're a great aunt. That's that's really kind

1328
01:12:52,720 --> 01:12:55,840
Speaker 1: of you. A thing I'm pointing out all this um,

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01:12:55,920 --> 01:12:58,720
Speaker 1: your generosity, compassion. Let me tell you this is my

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01:12:58,720 --> 01:13:01,120
Speaker 1: favorite wanting to story. I need to get talking about

1331
01:13:01,160 --> 01:13:03,439
Speaker 1: when you got your car crash is just making you uncomfortable? Well,

1332
01:13:03,600 --> 01:13:08,479
Speaker 1: I'm I'm I'm crashing the guy. Okay, a guy destroys

1333
01:13:08,479 --> 01:13:11,720
Speaker 1: waned his car. He turns out he doesn't even have

1334
01:13:11,720 --> 01:13:13,800
Speaker 1: a driver's license. There has no insurance or something has

1335
01:13:14,200 --> 01:13:17,200
Speaker 1: no insurance. No insurance. I'm on the phone with Juanita

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01:13:18,000 --> 01:13:19,760
Speaker 1: being like, well, how are were you going to go

1337
01:13:19,800 --> 01:13:23,400
Speaker 1: about sticking it to him, right, what are you gonna

1338
01:13:23,400 --> 01:13:25,280
Speaker 1: do to go after him to get your money out

1339
01:13:25,280 --> 01:13:29,960
Speaker 1: of him? She has interrupted our call because he's calling

1340
01:13:30,040 --> 01:13:32,519
Speaker 1: her because she had called him to check in on

1341
01:13:32,600 --> 01:13:37,760
Speaker 1: him and make sure he's okay. Yeah, that was I've

1342
01:13:37,800 --> 01:13:40,320
Speaker 1: never been in a car accident before. She took pity

1343
01:13:40,320 --> 01:13:42,720
Speaker 1: on the dude that killed her car. Yeah, but it

1344
01:13:42,760 --> 01:13:46,960
Speaker 1: was super icy Rhodes Highway two hundred, all three of

1345
01:13:46,960 --> 01:13:50,400
Speaker 1: you know what, um, super icy roads, and this pickup

1346
01:13:50,439 --> 01:13:56,400
Speaker 1: truck just slid right into my face. Um it was, yeah,

1347
01:13:56,439 --> 01:13:58,800
Speaker 1: And then she made it her responsibility to pursue to

1348
01:13:58,840 --> 01:14:00,680
Speaker 1: make sure he was all right. I'd never been in

1349
01:14:00,680 --> 01:14:03,080
Speaker 1: a car accident before. I mean, this is my home road,

1350
01:14:03,240 --> 01:14:07,080
Speaker 1: and um yeah, um, I couldn't get out of my car.

1351
01:14:07,120 --> 01:14:08,600
Speaker 1: I had to like crawl it through the windows. And

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01:14:08,720 --> 01:14:11,200
Speaker 1: everything's dark. You know. I was worried, you know, it's

1353
01:14:11,880 --> 01:14:14,280
Speaker 1: pitch black. I was worried that, um, someone's gonna hit

1354
01:14:14,320 --> 01:14:16,200
Speaker 1: my car, which is black and very small on a

1355
01:14:16,280 --> 01:14:19,040
Speaker 1: dark highway. And got out of my car, and then

1356
01:14:19,040 --> 01:14:20,479
Speaker 1: I was wondering where I was supposed to go because

1357
01:14:20,520 --> 01:14:22,240
Speaker 1: someone's gonna hit my car. And I was worried that

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01:14:22,280 --> 01:14:25,360
Speaker 1: I was gonna get hit again. Um, someone came and

1359
01:14:25,400 --> 01:14:27,640
Speaker 1: pick me up. And then we turned around to go

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01:14:27,720 --> 01:14:29,720
Speaker 1: find the guy who hit me because I wanted to

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01:14:29,720 --> 01:14:32,360
Speaker 1: make sure that they were okay. And uh the first

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01:14:32,360 --> 01:14:34,439
Speaker 1: thing we did was when we saw each other, we

1363
01:14:34,439 --> 01:14:38,040
Speaker 1: gave each other a big hug. And I value that

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01:14:38,240 --> 01:14:41,600
Speaker 1: so much, not just because now we're talking and we're

1365
01:14:41,640 --> 01:14:43,679
Speaker 1: in COVID, this is it just happened almost a year ago,

1366
01:14:44,040 --> 01:14:46,960
Speaker 1: but uh yeah. And then he worked up in Seeley Lake.

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01:14:47,000 --> 01:14:50,759
Speaker 1: He yeah, and he was telling me he didn't have insurance,

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01:14:50,760 --> 01:14:53,160
Speaker 1: and I was like, dude, keep quiet because there's other

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01:14:53,160 --> 01:14:56,240
Speaker 1: people around. But we were just so grateful both of

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01:14:56,320 --> 01:14:59,479
Speaker 1: us were okay and and uh yeah, and I didn't.

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01:15:00,360 --> 01:15:03,760
Speaker 1: I know he had stuff going on and tough gig,

1372
01:15:03,840 --> 01:15:07,080
Speaker 1: and I was, I have insurance, he doesn't, and I'm not.

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01:15:07,280 --> 01:15:10,280
Speaker 1: I mean, he's gonna go get insurance. I don't. I

1374
01:15:10,320 --> 01:15:12,000
Speaker 1: don't need to say I can tell you one thing

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01:15:12,040 --> 01:15:14,800
Speaker 1: I'm gonna do. Yeah, we we and we we kept

1376
01:15:14,840 --> 01:15:17,559
Speaker 1: in touch, but there was no need to wreck his

1377
01:15:17,680 --> 01:15:24,960
Speaker 1: life and mean, man, he's my neighbor. Like yeah, point being,

1378
01:15:26,040 --> 01:15:29,120
Speaker 1: I think when I just want to implore people, and

1379
01:15:29,120 --> 01:15:31,320
Speaker 1: this is the only this is only of the three

1380
01:15:31,360 --> 01:15:33,960
Speaker 1: hundred how many million people are in America right now,

1381
01:15:36,360 --> 01:15:39,720
Speaker 1: sixties some. I was just gonna say, read at three

1382
01:15:39,800 --> 01:15:45,240
Speaker 1: several hundred million individuals in America, one thirty thousand of them,

1383
01:15:45,400 --> 01:15:52,000
Speaker 1: we'll encounter your name on the ballot. Vote Vara, And

1384
01:15:52,320 --> 01:15:57,160
Speaker 1: I'm not I'm not getting into the I don't even

1385
01:15:57,160 --> 01:15:59,040
Speaker 1: know what the hell the issues are in your county.

1386
01:15:59,840 --> 01:16:03,280
Speaker 1: I don't really care. But I know that, um, in

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01:16:03,400 --> 01:16:08,600
Speaker 1: terms of how you conduct your life and the connection

1388
01:16:08,760 --> 01:16:14,240
Speaker 1: you have to the land where you live and your

1389
01:16:14,360 --> 01:16:18,840
Speaker 1: compassion for the landscape and the people around you, I

1390
01:16:19,000 --> 01:16:21,080
Speaker 1: have a feeling, I'm saying this to the voters out there,

1391
01:16:21,160 --> 01:16:26,840
Speaker 1: I have a feeling that you will take your responsibilities

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01:16:26,960 --> 01:16:31,880
Speaker 1: seriously and do well by the individuals who put their

1393
01:16:31,880 --> 01:16:35,040
Speaker 1: faith in you to make good decisions. You're gonna make

1394
01:16:35,040 --> 01:16:39,759
Speaker 1: me christ. Yeah. So when you go to vote, go down,

1395
01:16:39,960 --> 01:16:43,439
Speaker 1: and like that's your person. Nothing to say bad about

1396
01:16:43,439 --> 01:16:47,200
Speaker 1: the person running against you, But that is who I

1397
01:16:47,240 --> 01:16:50,760
Speaker 1: want if I was living in that damn county, That's

1398
01:16:50,800 --> 01:16:54,000
Speaker 1: what I wanted from my county commissioner. That's that's well said.

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01:16:54,320 --> 01:16:57,160
Speaker 1: And um, I can't I can't disagree with you, and

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01:16:57,200 --> 01:16:59,559
Speaker 1: I think it's like what case he was saying earlier,

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01:16:59,720 --> 01:17:04,720
Speaker 1: we're talking about our local politics. It's it's not what

1402
01:17:04,800 --> 01:17:07,920
Speaker 1: you hear at the national level, like our our local issues.

1403
01:17:07,960 --> 01:17:10,679
Speaker 1: I mean, this is just this is community members looking

1404
01:17:10,680 --> 01:17:13,840
Speaker 1: out for each other. This is the decisions we make,

1405
01:17:13,960 --> 01:17:16,880
Speaker 1: is to make our community better place to live and

1406
01:17:16,960 --> 01:17:19,400
Speaker 1: raise our kids. I don't even have kids, but I

1407
01:17:19,560 --> 01:17:23,080
Speaker 1: care deeply about all of your kids and kids and

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01:17:24,479 --> 01:17:29,000
Speaker 1: yeah that we have here. It sounds so corny, but um,

1409
01:17:30,479 --> 01:17:32,880
Speaker 1: so corny, but cares about kids in the way that

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01:17:33,320 --> 01:17:36,800
Speaker 1: going out fishing, she would say, Um, what are these

1411
01:17:36,840 --> 01:17:40,559
Speaker 1: little people supposed to eat all day? No one has

1412
01:17:40,600 --> 01:17:45,880
Speaker 1: considered this something like that. Yeah, that's that's fair. Also, selfishly,

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01:17:46,160 --> 01:17:48,559
Speaker 1: I like to eat, and so I was wondering what

1414
01:17:48,680 --> 01:17:52,240
Speaker 1: I was going to be eating too. So yeah, no,

1415
01:17:52,439 --> 01:17:56,760
Speaker 1: it's um. And Casey alluded to this earlier. This is

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01:17:56,760 --> 01:17:59,559
Speaker 1: an honor and it's a huge responsibility. Case is not

1417
01:17:59,640 --> 01:18:03,760
Speaker 1: doing this for money. Um, and uh, it is just

1418
01:18:03,880 --> 01:18:07,400
Speaker 1: a it's a it's an honor. And when you really

1419
01:18:07,439 --> 01:18:10,920
Speaker 1: love a place, and I you know, you love Utah

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01:18:10,960 --> 01:18:14,160
Speaker 1: and I love Montana and even more Missoula County. The

1421
01:18:14,200 --> 01:18:18,720
Speaker 1: more I learned about it. Um, it's uh, yeah, it's

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01:18:18,720 --> 01:18:21,080
Speaker 1: an honor to be asked. So I was appointed and

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01:18:21,120 --> 01:18:23,160
Speaker 1: then UM, so now I have to run to finish

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01:18:23,280 --> 01:18:30,120
Speaker 1: two get another term. Um and uh yeah, when you

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01:18:30,160 --> 01:18:33,120
Speaker 1: feel ready and folks believe in you and like like

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01:18:33,160 --> 01:18:36,840
Speaker 1: you've said, UM, yeah, it's it's pretty exciting to take

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01:18:36,880 --> 01:18:39,040
Speaker 1: that step. Yeah. I think it's helpful to you to

1428
01:18:39,080 --> 01:18:41,720
Speaker 1: talk about right now, just to have a couple I

1429
01:18:41,760 --> 01:18:44,840
Speaker 1: wanted to have a couple of people in um who

1430
01:18:44,920 --> 01:18:50,160
Speaker 1: have issues, but just in some way help bring up

1431
01:18:50,200 --> 01:18:53,519
Speaker 1: the idea that like the people involved in politics and

1432
01:18:53,560 --> 01:18:58,320
Speaker 1: like when you go to vote that um, thankfully, there's

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01:18:58,360 --> 01:19:06,519
Speaker 1: just it's individual like it's individual Americans. Uh, for the

1434
01:19:06,520 --> 01:19:10,760
Speaker 1: most part, I would venture to guess individual Americans who

1435
01:19:10,800 --> 01:19:18,559
Speaker 1: are hoping to like do a good job. Absolutely absolutely yep.

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01:19:20,360 --> 01:19:25,000
Speaker 1: So on November three, whatever day after the election, you

1437
01:19:25,040 --> 01:19:27,320
Speaker 1: can do it right now, and when are in flames,

1438
01:19:30,240 --> 01:19:33,000
Speaker 1: when our cities are in flames, we'll look back on

1439
01:19:33,080 --> 01:19:39,320
Speaker 1: this conversation today and try to remember there there are

1440
01:19:39,360 --> 01:19:42,160
Speaker 1: some there's good folks out there working for us, and

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01:19:42,479 --> 01:19:45,519
Speaker 1: I think it's important to remember that. And again, it's

1442
01:19:45,560 --> 01:19:50,960
Speaker 1: it's it's local like forget about the national noise and

1443
01:19:50,960 --> 01:19:56,040
Speaker 1: and remember the yeah the action rubber meets the road

1444
01:19:56,080 --> 01:20:00,320
Speaker 1: locally and county commissioner. Honestly, I don't think it really

1445
01:20:00,320 --> 01:20:03,280
Speaker 1: matters what party were from. I mean, it's we deal

1446
01:20:03,360 --> 01:20:07,479
Speaker 1: with such a broad range and whether it's someone complaining

1447
01:20:07,520 --> 01:20:10,559
Speaker 1: about neighbors dogs versus like our you know, what's the

1448
01:20:10,600 --> 01:20:16,920
Speaker 1: correct pavement recipe, um to to our budget? You know, Um,

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01:20:16,960 --> 01:20:20,679
Speaker 1: it's a it's a broad broad range. Yeah. I follow

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01:20:20,760 --> 01:20:23,320
Speaker 1: along on Instagram. It seems like when you post some

1451
01:20:23,320 --> 01:20:26,200
Speaker 1: stuff about being a commissioner, you're always like off doing

1452
01:20:26,280 --> 01:20:29,519
Speaker 1: like things that you probably never thought you'd be learning about. Right,

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01:20:29,600 --> 01:20:33,920
Speaker 1: But workings of a county it's fantastic and and it's

1454
01:20:33,960 --> 01:20:38,360
Speaker 1: weirdly like the ranch. You know. It's like the ranch,

1455
01:20:38,520 --> 01:20:41,200
Speaker 1: you know, it's this amazing place. Your ranch probably the

1456
01:20:41,280 --> 01:20:44,200
Speaker 1: same thing. It's like there's never enough you know, JB.

1457
01:20:44,320 --> 01:20:47,000
Speaker 1: Weld and duct tape and bailing twine to like hold

1458
01:20:47,000 --> 01:20:51,639
Speaker 1: the place together. But somehow it works. And Missoula County

1459
01:20:51,640 --> 01:20:57,400
Speaker 1: it's amazing staff and amazing engage citizens who who really care,

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01:20:58,439 --> 01:21:02,720
Speaker 1: and um that's what that's what makes it special. Um,

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01:21:02,760 --> 01:21:05,919
Speaker 1: So I'm I'm man and we've got some crazy challenges

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01:21:05,960 --> 01:21:09,280
Speaker 1: to deal with because we're a large county in a

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01:21:09,320 --> 01:21:15,360
Speaker 1: complicated county. Um and yeah, we have urban Missoula, which

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01:21:15,400 --> 01:21:17,960
Speaker 1: is very different from a largely like rural the rest

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01:21:18,000 --> 01:21:19,400
Speaker 1: of the county. I mean you spent time up and

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01:21:19,479 --> 01:21:23,439
Speaker 1: see the lakes. Yeah, it's um, there's some tension there.

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Speaker 1: And but that's why I yeah, I think that this

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01:21:28,439 --> 01:21:31,080
Speaker 1: particular commission of which I'm part of, I think we

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Speaker 1: represent that tension well in in a in a positive way.

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Speaker 1: Um and uh yeah, I think we can demonstrate some

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Speaker 1: can do and even a little joy, which isn't a

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Speaker 1: word you hear and politics at all. Well, I wanna

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Speaker 1: um again, thank you guys both for coming on. I

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Speaker 1: wanted to zero Missoula County Commission. This is your first

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Speaker 1: up as you got appointed. Now you gotta go win. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: this wasn't on my radar at all. I mean, Casey,

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Speaker 1: you've been you've been in the scene for a while.

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Speaker 1: This was this came out of left field for me.

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Speaker 1: It makes a series of poor decisions and then you

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Speaker 1: end up with a bad opportunity and oh yeah you

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Speaker 1: gonna are you gonna be governor? No? No, no, I

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Speaker 1: like where I live. Yeah, that's right. At a certain point,

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Speaker 1: you gotta go somewhere. Yeah, if you won't move to

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Speaker 1: live with my brother, I'd be dismayed to become a politician.

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Speaker 1: I was like, well, that's better than my brother. And

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Speaker 1: Casey Snyder, who's up for re election. Is the a

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Speaker 1: term limit where you're at tell people your district it's

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Speaker 1: House District five, Cash Valley, cash Valley from the Mountain

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Speaker 1: Man era cash. Absolutely, yeah. Jim Bridger loved it. And

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Speaker 1: I live in Paradise, which is aptly named you know,

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Speaker 1: so so you can do two boats here because you

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Speaker 1: can find Casey Snyder fifth district, so all five you

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Speaker 1: or thirty thousand fighting five and that and that spread

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Speaker 1: out community. And then also in Utah, go find your

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Speaker 1: right to hunting fish thing and vote. It's yes, correct, correct, Yes,

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Speaker 1: you want yes, you want to be able to hunt

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Speaker 1: and fish. And if you're in one of the majority.

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Speaker 1: The majority of states doesn't have such protections. So I

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Speaker 1: hope that other people will be inspired to um with

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Speaker 1: their free time, get that rolling in the other states,

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Speaker 1: and I look forward to a national version. There's a

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Speaker 1: movement starting right here right now. I can feel it.

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Speaker 1: Right to hunt, fishing trap right right, and run hound

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Speaker 1: dogs right. What was the other things, Yeah, archery, hunting bears,

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Speaker 1: bait bears, chase lions. All right, Thanks guys, I appreciate

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Speaker 1: you coming out. This is the bipartisant get out vote issue.

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Speaker 1: We've introduced you to a Democrat, we've introduced you to Republican.

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Speaker 1: If it wasn't for COVID, I'd make you guys hug.

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Speaker 1: That'd be like they did a fist bump. Boom, they

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Speaker 1: did a fist bump there. It is partisanship ripping a

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Speaker 1: part of America right here on our podcast studio. Thanks everybody,

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Speaker 1: Thank you,