1 00:00:00,840 --> 00:00:05,920 Speaker 1: Welcome to Fitness Disrupted, a production of My Heart Radio. 2 00:00:11,760 --> 00:00:18,040 Speaker 1: I am Tom Holland, and this is Fitness Disrupted. Yes 3 00:00:18,440 --> 00:00:24,000 Speaker 1: you're gonna know what episodes I recorded while sick, But 4 00:00:24,160 --> 00:00:28,040 Speaker 1: the show goes on people and I am so rarely sick, 5 00:00:28,160 --> 00:00:31,400 Speaker 1: but too much to do, too many people to speak with, 6 00:00:31,560 --> 00:00:36,519 Speaker 1: including my next guest. And I say it often because 7 00:00:36,720 --> 00:00:40,480 Speaker 1: I believe it so deeply. I have the greatest job 8 00:00:40,520 --> 00:00:47,360 Speaker 1: in the world. I just do health and wellness, bringing 9 00:00:47,400 --> 00:00:52,320 Speaker 1: that to you. But then my homework is reading the studies, 10 00:00:53,280 --> 00:00:57,080 Speaker 1: stuff I love to do, but reading these books, reading 11 00:00:57,120 --> 00:00:59,720 Speaker 1: these incredible books like the one we're gonna talk about 12 00:00:59,760 --> 00:01:02,200 Speaker 1: today A And then I not only get to read 13 00:01:02,240 --> 00:01:05,120 Speaker 1: these incredible books, I get to interview the people that 14 00:01:05,240 --> 00:01:10,360 Speaker 1: write them, the best of the best. And then I 15 00:01:10,400 --> 00:01:12,320 Speaker 1: not only get to interview them, I get to bring 16 00:01:12,319 --> 00:01:18,600 Speaker 1: all that to you. And as I say, I'm only 17 00:01:18,640 --> 00:01:20,319 Speaker 1: going to bring you the best because I'm not gonna 18 00:01:20,319 --> 00:01:25,160 Speaker 1: waste your time. You have limited time, and I'm going 19 00:01:25,200 --> 00:01:30,920 Speaker 1: to bring you the information that will debunk all those myths, 20 00:01:31,319 --> 00:01:34,759 Speaker 1: that is based in science and that is really interesting, 21 00:01:34,880 --> 00:01:42,000 Speaker 1: as today's guest will show you the history of exercise 22 00:01:42,160 --> 00:01:45,960 Speaker 1: and women and all that's involved in that. I have 23 00:01:46,040 --> 00:01:48,520 Speaker 1: been in this business a really long time and I 24 00:01:48,720 --> 00:01:52,040 Speaker 1: learned so much from this book. And it's so entertaining. 25 00:01:52,680 --> 00:01:56,560 Speaker 1: That's what's so incredible. From guests like Michael Easter the 26 00:01:56,600 --> 00:02:01,040 Speaker 1: Comfort Crisis and Danielle Friedman, the author of Let's Get Physical, 27 00:02:01,120 --> 00:02:02,920 Speaker 1: that is what we're gonna talk about today, you're gonna 28 00:02:02,920 --> 00:02:10,160 Speaker 1: hear from her. They're incredible writers too, so not only entertaining, 29 00:02:10,440 --> 00:02:17,359 Speaker 1: but educational. And today's interview is a little different in 30 00:02:17,400 --> 00:02:21,240 Speaker 1: that it's the history of exercise as well as it 31 00:02:21,280 --> 00:02:27,200 Speaker 1: relates to women. It goes to running and home workout 32 00:02:27,320 --> 00:02:32,200 Speaker 1: videos and bar method group exercise, but it's also ath 33 00:02:32,280 --> 00:02:36,600 Speaker 1: leisure and the marketing and the advertising and all the 34 00:02:36,639 --> 00:02:44,680 Speaker 1: women's issues and how it influenced fitness for women. And 35 00:02:44,680 --> 00:02:46,919 Speaker 1: I would argue that's the difference within is disrupted too. 36 00:02:47,320 --> 00:02:49,160 Speaker 1: You don't focus on one thing. I don't focus on 37 00:02:49,160 --> 00:02:51,160 Speaker 1: one thing. You can't if you want to be successful. 38 00:02:51,280 --> 00:02:56,440 Speaker 1: It's not just nutrition, it's not just exercise, and it's 39 00:02:56,440 --> 00:02:58,960 Speaker 1: not even just motivation. Those three things. You gotta look 40 00:02:58,960 --> 00:03:01,280 Speaker 1: at the history. I don't know from where we came. 41 00:03:02,919 --> 00:03:06,959 Speaker 1: We gotta know where we're going what's incredible about this book? 42 00:03:07,280 --> 00:03:13,240 Speaker 1: Let's Get Physical. This is really interesting, so surprising, and 43 00:03:13,280 --> 00:03:19,919 Speaker 1: the connections are incredible as well. Could not have enjoyed 44 00:03:19,960 --> 00:03:24,000 Speaker 1: reading this book more. I mean, if you're into exercise, 45 00:03:24,040 --> 00:03:27,480 Speaker 1: if you're into fitness, either you know, professionally or someone 46 00:03:27,520 --> 00:03:32,200 Speaker 1: who just works out, don't love this book. Gonna love 47 00:03:32,240 --> 00:03:37,160 Speaker 1: this book. But as I said, it's not just entertaining, 48 00:03:37,200 --> 00:03:40,920 Speaker 1: it's educational on so many levels. It's incredible how much 49 00:03:40,960 --> 00:03:42,800 Speaker 1: work went into this book. And I'm gonna talk to 50 00:03:42,880 --> 00:03:49,360 Speaker 1: Daniel about that. Years of research, speaking with the people, 51 00:03:50,760 --> 00:03:56,600 Speaker 1: you know, going to the source or the daughter of 52 00:03:56,800 --> 00:04:01,720 Speaker 1: the source, you know. Incredible, so much fun to read. 53 00:04:02,840 --> 00:04:06,000 Speaker 1: So who am I bringing to you? And by the way, 54 00:04:06,720 --> 00:04:09,320 Speaker 1: such a great job. This book's not even out yet. 55 00:04:09,360 --> 00:04:13,120 Speaker 1: I heard about it and I said, I gotta find 56 00:04:13,160 --> 00:04:15,840 Speaker 1: out more about this book. And the more I found out, 57 00:04:15,880 --> 00:04:18,560 Speaker 1: I said, I gotta have her on and I got 58 00:04:18,600 --> 00:04:22,560 Speaker 1: an advanced copy. Kind of cool. And the cover it 59 00:04:22,680 --> 00:04:26,960 Speaker 1: says advanced uncorrected proof, not for sale, but you can 60 00:04:27,000 --> 00:04:32,800 Speaker 1: pre order it and you absolutely should. Absolutely so good. 61 00:04:32,920 --> 00:04:37,000 Speaker 1: Let's Get Physical written by Dan Yale Freedman. All right, 62 00:04:37,080 --> 00:04:39,760 Speaker 1: let me tell you a little bit about that Yale Freedman, 63 00:04:40,440 --> 00:04:45,080 Speaker 1: I'm laughing because my voice. I apologize, show goes on 64 00:04:45,160 --> 00:04:48,400 Speaker 1: as I say, uh. Danielle Freedman is an award winning 65 00:04:48,480 --> 00:04:51,279 Speaker 1: journalist whose feature writing has appeared in the New York Times, 66 00:04:51,279 --> 00:04:54,960 Speaker 1: The Cut, Vogue, Harper's Bizarre, Glamour, Health, and other publications. 67 00:04:55,200 --> 00:04:57,640 Speaker 1: She has worked as a senior editor at NBC News 68 00:04:57,680 --> 00:04:59,960 Speaker 1: Digital and The Daily Beast, and she began her career 69 00:05:00,040 --> 00:05:03,200 Speaker 1: here as a nonfiction book editor at The Penguin Imprince, 70 00:05:03,279 --> 00:05:06,400 Speaker 1: Hudson Street Press and Plume. Freedman lives in New York 71 00:05:06,480 --> 00:05:11,159 Speaker 1: City with her husband and son. Such a good read, 72 00:05:11,400 --> 00:05:17,760 Speaker 1: different people, different in such a great way. Knowledge the 73 00:05:17,800 --> 00:05:20,400 Speaker 1: books right, the best of the best. I'm not gonna 74 00:05:20,440 --> 00:05:22,800 Speaker 1: waste your time. I'm never gonna waste your time. And 75 00:05:23,120 --> 00:05:29,039 Speaker 1: this read, let's get physical, amazing, all right, Let's go 76 00:05:29,160 --> 00:05:32,560 Speaker 1: right to the source. When we come back, Danielle Freedman, 77 00:05:32,640 --> 00:05:42,479 Speaker 1: we'll be right back, and we are back again. I 78 00:05:42,480 --> 00:05:47,280 Speaker 1: apologize for the voice, but as I said, uh, you're 79 00:05:47,279 --> 00:05:49,400 Speaker 1: gonna know which interviews I did on what day based 80 00:05:49,400 --> 00:05:52,880 Speaker 1: on this voice, right, But I was not canceling the 81 00:05:52,960 --> 00:05:55,719 Speaker 1: interviews I had, and it includes the author of this 82 00:05:55,839 --> 00:05:57,960 Speaker 1: amazing new book that is not even out yet. I 83 00:05:57,960 --> 00:06:01,039 Speaker 1: feel so fortunate Danielle Freed, and thank you so much 84 00:06:01,040 --> 00:06:02,960 Speaker 1: for taking the time. Thank you for having me. It's 85 00:06:02,960 --> 00:06:05,920 Speaker 1: great to be here. I say it all the time. 86 00:06:06,000 --> 00:06:09,560 Speaker 1: I only have the best guests on and your your book, 87 00:06:09,680 --> 00:06:12,359 Speaker 1: like so for someone Danielle who has spent you know, 88 00:06:12,440 --> 00:06:16,039 Speaker 1: the better part of his life in this industry. Oh 89 00:06:16,080 --> 00:06:18,680 Speaker 1: my gosh, your book was so amazing and so heavily researched. 90 00:06:18,720 --> 00:06:21,240 Speaker 1: And how long did it must take new years, um 91 00:06:21,279 --> 00:06:23,920 Speaker 1: to do what you did and write this book? It did? 92 00:06:24,040 --> 00:06:26,839 Speaker 1: It did all toold. It took about four years from 93 00:06:26,880 --> 00:06:30,640 Speaker 1: sort of conception of the idea to um well to 94 00:06:30,680 --> 00:06:32,760 Speaker 1: where we are today. So yeah, it was a pretty 95 00:06:32,839 --> 00:06:37,760 Speaker 1: intensive research project. And what's incredible too, is you know 96 00:06:38,480 --> 00:06:41,120 Speaker 1: you went and interviewed all of these people, right, So 97 00:06:41,120 --> 00:06:43,080 Speaker 1: so often people you know will you know, do their 98 00:06:43,080 --> 00:06:46,680 Speaker 1: homework and and and research, but you literally spoke with 99 00:06:46,760 --> 00:06:49,400 Speaker 1: all these amazing people that will talk about right, that 100 00:06:49,440 --> 00:06:51,720 Speaker 1: must have been absolutely critical of traveling. How great right 101 00:06:51,760 --> 00:06:53,600 Speaker 1: to have that is part of your job, right, I 102 00:06:53,640 --> 00:06:57,560 Speaker 1: mean that must have been amazing. Absolutely. Um. I always 103 00:06:57,760 --> 00:06:59,800 Speaker 1: I always feel that as the journalist, you know, It's 104 00:06:59,800 --> 00:07:04,280 Speaker 1: such a privilege to have the opportunity to um connect 105 00:07:04,400 --> 00:07:08,440 Speaker 1: with with extraordinary people and this book was no different. 106 00:07:08,680 --> 00:07:11,360 Speaker 1: I you know, I've been a women's health and culture 107 00:07:11,400 --> 00:07:15,400 Speaker 1: journalist for almost two decades UM, and this book really 108 00:07:15,440 --> 00:07:18,720 Speaker 1: just felt like the epitome of the work that I've 109 00:07:19,240 --> 00:07:22,440 Speaker 1: done in this area and that I aspired to do. Yeah, 110 00:07:22,440 --> 00:07:24,840 Speaker 1: so let's go right from there, right, what what really 111 00:07:24,880 --> 00:07:28,640 Speaker 1: inspired you to to you know, get this off the 112 00:07:28,680 --> 00:07:30,680 Speaker 1: ground because it's it's a lot of work. You know, 113 00:07:30,840 --> 00:07:33,640 Speaker 1: this was a lot of work. It was a lot 114 00:07:33,680 --> 00:07:36,360 Speaker 1: of work, Yeah, but it was the most fun work 115 00:07:36,400 --> 00:07:41,560 Speaker 1: I've ever done. Um. So the book began, um about 116 00:07:41,680 --> 00:07:44,600 Speaker 1: four years ago. UM. It was this feels a little 117 00:07:44,600 --> 00:07:47,200 Speaker 1: bit cliche, but it was the lead up to my wedding. 118 00:07:47,800 --> 00:07:50,640 Speaker 1: And UM, I'm a lifelong runner and I've always been 119 00:07:50,720 --> 00:07:54,720 Speaker 1: very active, but I had never I actually hadn't really 120 00:07:55,520 --> 00:07:59,400 Speaker 1: um delved into boutique fitness yet at that point, and 121 00:07:59,480 --> 00:08:02,520 Speaker 1: so I just decided to take my first bar class 122 00:08:02,560 --> 00:08:05,560 Speaker 1: and that was really my first, um and you know, 123 00:08:05,760 --> 00:08:09,840 Speaker 1: very New York City es moutique fitness experience. I loved 124 00:08:09,880 --> 00:08:12,280 Speaker 1: the way the class has made me feel, which was 125 00:08:13,000 --> 00:08:16,720 Speaker 1: very strong and was surprisingly strong, But as a feminist 126 00:08:16,760 --> 00:08:19,000 Speaker 1: and as a women's health reporter, I was just I 127 00:08:19,080 --> 00:08:25,360 Speaker 1: just became intrigued by the subculture, and in particular um. 128 00:08:25,400 --> 00:08:30,360 Speaker 1: Many of the moves I noticed felt felt um kind 129 00:08:30,360 --> 00:08:34,520 Speaker 1: of surprisingly sexual, and so I decided to dig into 130 00:08:35,000 --> 00:08:38,040 Speaker 1: um are their sexual health benefits to the bar workout? 131 00:08:38,520 --> 00:08:43,800 Speaker 1: And what I discovered was way more interesting and rich 132 00:08:43,880 --> 00:08:46,920 Speaker 1: and complicated than I ever could have expected. I stumbled 133 00:08:46,960 --> 00:08:50,560 Speaker 1: on the story of Lottie Burke, the woman who invented 134 00:08:50,679 --> 00:08:54,440 Speaker 1: bar in the nineteen fifties the late nineteen fifties in London. 135 00:08:55,080 --> 00:09:00,800 Speaker 1: Lattie is an incredibly complicated but fascinating cinematic character. As 136 00:09:00,800 --> 00:09:03,440 Speaker 1: it turned out, she was very ahead of her time, 137 00:09:03,520 --> 00:09:07,480 Speaker 1: pretty sexual revolution, even in terms of encouraging women to 138 00:09:07,600 --> 00:09:12,400 Speaker 1: really connect with their bodies and focus on their their 139 00:09:12,440 --> 00:09:15,680 Speaker 1: sexual well being. I wrote about that story for New 140 00:09:15,760 --> 00:09:19,319 Speaker 1: York magazines The Cut, and I was thrilled when that 141 00:09:19,440 --> 00:09:24,360 Speaker 1: article went viral. I also discovered that many fitness professionals 142 00:09:24,400 --> 00:09:29,320 Speaker 1: and and bar professionals, studio owners instructors really had no 143 00:09:29,400 --> 00:09:32,760 Speaker 1: idea of what the workout's origins were. And I mean, 144 00:09:32,800 --> 00:09:36,280 Speaker 1: it's so ubiquitous today, such a phenomenon, but it felt 145 00:09:36,320 --> 00:09:38,319 Speaker 1: like it just kind of came from nowhere, and of course, 146 00:09:38,800 --> 00:09:43,240 Speaker 1: of course it didn't basically from there. While I was 147 00:09:43,280 --> 00:09:46,160 Speaker 1: working on that story, at one point, I thought, you know, 148 00:09:46,280 --> 00:09:48,600 Speaker 1: I'd love to talk to the author of the book 149 00:09:49,000 --> 00:09:51,520 Speaker 1: about the history of women's fitness. I like to do 150 00:09:51,600 --> 00:09:55,520 Speaker 1: my due diligence and contextualized. And I was truly amazed 151 00:09:55,559 --> 00:09:58,760 Speaker 1: to discover that that book did not exist. So the 152 00:09:58,760 --> 00:10:01,440 Speaker 1: wheels got turning. I started digging a little bit more, 153 00:10:01,640 --> 00:10:04,240 Speaker 1: and it turned out there were these Lottie Brook like 154 00:10:04,360 --> 00:10:09,120 Speaker 1: figures behind almost every movement of women's fitness starting from 155 00:10:09,120 --> 00:10:12,480 Speaker 1: the mid twentieth century. And that's what's so incredible for 156 00:10:12,480 --> 00:10:15,360 Speaker 1: someone like me, Danielle I. You know, I kept saying 157 00:10:15,360 --> 00:10:17,280 Speaker 1: to my wife, like, how excited I was for that 158 00:10:17,360 --> 00:10:19,640 Speaker 1: next chapter, and you're such a great writer, and and 159 00:10:19,679 --> 00:10:22,600 Speaker 1: then you and yeah, I'm gonna give you a horrible analogy, 160 00:10:22,640 --> 00:10:26,200 Speaker 1: but I have to. Um. I remember in college it 161 00:10:26,240 --> 00:10:29,120 Speaker 1: was the first of a WrestleMania, right, and sitting around, 162 00:10:29,320 --> 00:10:32,320 Speaker 1: you know, with a bunch of knucklehead roommates and there 163 00:10:32,440 --> 00:10:35,680 Speaker 1: was an event. WrestleMania started with one guy and then 164 00:10:35,760 --> 00:10:38,280 Speaker 1: every sixty seconds a new guy would come out and 165 00:10:38,320 --> 00:10:41,400 Speaker 1: you'd go you were all excited, like Who's next. And 166 00:10:41,440 --> 00:10:44,240 Speaker 1: I had that similar, horrible analogy feeling with your book. 167 00:10:44,559 --> 00:10:48,160 Speaker 1: Every chapter, I was like, who's next? Right, this incredible 168 00:10:48,240 --> 00:10:50,760 Speaker 1: history and I know many of the people, and I 169 00:10:50,840 --> 00:10:53,600 Speaker 1: myself interviewed some of them, and so it was. But 170 00:10:54,080 --> 00:10:58,840 Speaker 1: you have such an amazing, really deep dive into names 171 00:10:58,840 --> 00:11:00,720 Speaker 1: that I had never heard of. I mean, nobody Burke 172 00:11:00,760 --> 00:11:02,320 Speaker 1: and know all this stuff. But you know, you go 173 00:11:02,760 --> 00:11:06,360 Speaker 1: so deep and such a rich history of uh, just 174 00:11:06,480 --> 00:11:08,720 Speaker 1: women and fitness and where it all came from. And 175 00:11:08,760 --> 00:11:12,000 Speaker 1: the personalities as you're describing, right, because that's a huge 176 00:11:12,000 --> 00:11:14,600 Speaker 1: part of it, right, the cult of personality with I 177 00:11:14,600 --> 00:11:17,160 Speaker 1: would say, Danielle a squads of squad push ups, a 178 00:11:17,240 --> 00:11:19,720 Speaker 1: push up, it's the person who's teaching it that is 179 00:11:19,720 --> 00:11:22,240 Speaker 1: selling their thing. And that's kind of what you really 180 00:11:22,240 --> 00:11:26,839 Speaker 1: get to in this book, right, the amazing personalities. Yeah. Yeah, 181 00:11:27,120 --> 00:11:29,760 Speaker 1: and um, many of these women, I mean they really 182 00:11:29,840 --> 00:11:33,199 Speaker 1: were pioneers. And as I discussed, you know, in some 183 00:11:33,280 --> 00:11:36,800 Speaker 1: depth in the book, in the nineteen fifties, then the 184 00:11:36,920 --> 00:11:42,439 Speaker 1: contemporary fitness industry really began. It was really um transgressive 185 00:11:42,679 --> 00:11:46,280 Speaker 1: for a woman to to sweat, you know, to show 186 00:11:46,320 --> 00:11:50,760 Speaker 1: off muscles, to even to to exercise basically as a 187 00:11:50,800 --> 00:11:54,480 Speaker 1: grown woman in any regular, vigorous way. And so for 188 00:11:54,640 --> 00:11:59,319 Speaker 1: many decades, the women who invented and sold their workouts, 189 00:11:59,520 --> 00:12:03,320 Speaker 1: they were just entrepreneurs and creative thinkers. They really were 190 00:12:03,400 --> 00:12:07,600 Speaker 1: pioneers who in many cases, we're going against pretty ingrained 191 00:12:07,679 --> 00:12:11,600 Speaker 1: social norms to give women something that they previously didn't 192 00:12:11,600 --> 00:12:15,560 Speaker 1: have and that I believe has just improved, you know, 193 00:12:15,640 --> 00:12:19,360 Speaker 1: has changed so many women's lives for the better. Yeah, 194 00:12:19,559 --> 00:12:21,800 Speaker 1: so far ahead of their time, right, I had the 195 00:12:21,840 --> 00:12:24,680 Speaker 1: amazing good fortune many years ago to interview Jack Olaine 196 00:12:25,240 --> 00:12:27,439 Speaker 1: Um and you know, I thought of him obviously you're 197 00:12:27,440 --> 00:12:30,120 Speaker 1: going to the female counterpart and Bondie Prudent, like just 198 00:12:30,240 --> 00:12:32,720 Speaker 1: amazing stories. They were so far ahead of their time, 199 00:12:33,080 --> 00:12:35,480 Speaker 1: which made it kind of sad too, I said as 200 00:12:35,520 --> 00:12:38,880 Speaker 1: to you know, you know, because you're like, oh my gosh, 201 00:12:38,960 --> 00:12:41,640 Speaker 1: you know, we knew in the fifties what you know, 202 00:12:41,679 --> 00:12:43,840 Speaker 1: the mental aspects and all this kind of stuff, Like 203 00:12:44,080 --> 00:12:47,320 Speaker 1: how are we still here today? Right, especially with the 204 00:12:47,360 --> 00:12:50,640 Speaker 1: women's side, as you're saying, right, because we're still battling 205 00:12:50,679 --> 00:12:54,280 Speaker 1: that contradiction that you you know, so artfully discussed and 206 00:12:54,480 --> 00:12:58,720 Speaker 1: described with with you know, losing weight and the perfect 207 00:12:58,760 --> 00:13:03,080 Speaker 1: form and that just horrible kind of fight that women 208 00:13:03,120 --> 00:13:06,640 Speaker 1: have in this industry on both sides, right, Yeah, And 209 00:13:06,720 --> 00:13:11,319 Speaker 1: I mean something I was really interested in investigating where 210 00:13:11,360 --> 00:13:16,720 Speaker 1: that relationship between exercise and external appearances and the beauty 211 00:13:16,760 --> 00:13:18,880 Speaker 1: industry began. And I mean, it feels like such an 212 00:13:18,880 --> 00:13:22,080 Speaker 1: obvious connection now, but everything has a history, and so 213 00:13:22,559 --> 00:13:25,240 Speaker 1: you know, in the fifties and sixties, they weren't even 214 00:13:25,280 --> 00:13:29,600 Speaker 1: the medical community wasn't even convinced yet that exercise led 215 00:13:29,800 --> 00:13:33,280 Speaker 1: to weight loss. So what I really found was that 216 00:13:33,400 --> 00:13:38,040 Speaker 1: in those early days, because it was so transgressive and 217 00:13:38,200 --> 00:13:42,000 Speaker 1: radical for a woman to want to test her strength 218 00:13:42,040 --> 00:13:45,160 Speaker 1: and move, um, you know, it kind of had to 219 00:13:45,240 --> 00:13:49,040 Speaker 1: be sold as a way to become slim and trim 220 00:13:49,240 --> 00:13:53,200 Speaker 1: and to hold onto your honeymoon figure and frankly, you know, 221 00:13:53,280 --> 00:13:57,560 Speaker 1: make your husband happy, because it would never have flown, 222 00:13:57,800 --> 00:14:00,120 Speaker 1: it would never have caught on if it was just 223 00:14:00,160 --> 00:14:04,480 Speaker 1: silt a strange for strength sake. So you know that 224 00:14:04,480 --> 00:14:10,520 Speaker 1: that relationship, that that interplay between becoming strong and being 225 00:14:10,640 --> 00:14:13,800 Speaker 1: fit and doing so to look a certain way was 226 00:14:13,840 --> 00:14:17,480 Speaker 1: there pretty much from the very beginning and so it's, um, 227 00:14:17,520 --> 00:14:20,800 Speaker 1: you know, there's been each chapter has had its own 228 00:14:20,920 --> 00:14:23,960 Speaker 1: sort of flavor of that relationship. But the arc of 229 00:14:24,080 --> 00:14:26,640 Speaker 1: history has been toward progress here and even though we 230 00:14:26,760 --> 00:14:30,000 Speaker 1: still have so far to go, you know, I was 231 00:14:30,160 --> 00:14:33,920 Speaker 1: really it was very encouraging to see some of the 232 00:14:34,000 --> 00:14:37,040 Speaker 1: baby steps toward progress that have occurred over the last 233 00:14:37,080 --> 00:14:39,880 Speaker 1: few years. And what's so frightening, I would say, Danielle, 234 00:14:39,920 --> 00:14:41,880 Speaker 1: is you know when you get into running, I'm a 235 00:14:41,920 --> 00:14:43,800 Speaker 1: big runner. I know you ran New York City, by 236 00:14:43,800 --> 00:14:45,800 Speaker 1: the way, just happened the other day, right with your dad. 237 00:14:46,000 --> 00:14:48,560 Speaker 1: I've done the same thing, and I actually wanted you 238 00:14:48,600 --> 00:14:51,400 Speaker 1: to go into that more. And like, I love that 239 00:14:51,440 --> 00:14:54,040 Speaker 1: you talked about how you know, you told your time 240 00:14:54,080 --> 00:14:55,560 Speaker 1: to a cab driver and he's like, what did you 241 00:14:55,560 --> 00:15:00,000 Speaker 1: walk it? And like but but like that's what's so ridiculous, 242 00:15:00,080 --> 00:15:02,440 Speaker 1: is I know exactly because I've done the exact same 243 00:15:02,440 --> 00:15:06,400 Speaker 1: thing with my dad. Um, how amazing that experience is 244 00:15:06,480 --> 00:15:09,080 Speaker 1: to share that, and you know how I would argue, 245 00:15:09,080 --> 00:15:12,120 Speaker 1: and I'm sure you'd agree. Like social media has kind of, 246 00:15:12,600 --> 00:15:15,400 Speaker 1: I don't want to say ruined, but added an element 247 00:15:15,440 --> 00:15:18,280 Speaker 1: of those type of experiences where like people are going 248 00:15:18,320 --> 00:15:19,760 Speaker 1: to get it and who cares? And you did it 249 00:15:20,080 --> 00:15:22,080 Speaker 1: for the reasons, you did it right, And you know, 250 00:15:23,040 --> 00:15:24,920 Speaker 1: I'm just sad that social media has kind of added 251 00:15:24,920 --> 00:15:27,800 Speaker 1: an extra layer of like taking the fun and the 252 00:15:27,880 --> 00:15:32,920 Speaker 1: experience away from experiences like that. Um. But amazing, right 253 00:15:32,960 --> 00:15:35,880 Speaker 1: as you talk about you do an incredible history of running, 254 00:15:36,320 --> 00:15:38,960 Speaker 1: uh and Katherine, you know, the Boston Marathon and all 255 00:15:39,000 --> 00:15:41,840 Speaker 1: that kind of stuff. We're talking about women and how 256 00:15:42,040 --> 00:15:45,960 Speaker 1: they believed this is unbelievable that a woman's uterus would 257 00:15:45,960 --> 00:15:52,440 Speaker 1: fall out if you ran to I know, I know, 258 00:15:53,320 --> 00:15:56,200 Speaker 1: I mean, there's just so much fear around women's bodies 259 00:15:56,280 --> 00:15:58,760 Speaker 1: for so long, and there still is, you know, I 260 00:15:58,800 --> 00:16:01,080 Speaker 1: think there's been such a is so much more of 261 00:16:01,080 --> 00:16:05,840 Speaker 1: a candid conversation happening now, um, largely thanks to social media. 262 00:16:05,880 --> 00:16:08,880 Speaker 1: It's sort of the blessing and the furse. But but 263 00:16:08,880 --> 00:16:13,400 Speaker 1: but compared to what existed, you know, fifty sixty, seventy 264 00:16:13,480 --> 00:16:16,800 Speaker 1: years ago, it obviously has improved, you know. And it 265 00:16:16,880 --> 00:16:20,440 Speaker 1: took Katherine Switzer the first woman to run the Boston 266 00:16:20,480 --> 00:16:24,360 Speaker 1: Marathon with a number and and other women, so many 267 00:16:24,360 --> 00:16:27,480 Speaker 1: other women's running pioneers from the seventies, eighties and beyond 268 00:16:27,560 --> 00:16:31,200 Speaker 1: to two. It was sort of, um, you know, they 269 00:16:31,200 --> 00:16:35,360 Speaker 1: were proving these officials and the medical community wrong by 270 00:16:35,440 --> 00:16:38,800 Speaker 1: doing by showing. And I'm I'm still amazed that it. 271 00:16:38,960 --> 00:16:44,840 Speaker 1: You know, it took until women the Olympics. I mean, 272 00:16:44,880 --> 00:16:49,240 Speaker 1: that is just incredible. And so yeah, there's you know, 273 00:16:49,440 --> 00:16:52,520 Speaker 1: I mean, the idea that women are the weaker sets, 274 00:16:52,800 --> 00:16:57,000 Speaker 1: that women are limited. It's it was to to um 275 00:16:57,240 --> 00:17:01,920 Speaker 1: defy that was really threatening in in postwar America in 276 00:17:01,960 --> 00:17:05,480 Speaker 1: the mid twentieth century, you know, because masculinity met strength 277 00:17:05,640 --> 00:17:09,480 Speaker 1: and thereby femininity kind of meant weakness, you know, And 278 00:17:09,560 --> 00:17:14,480 Speaker 1: so debunking these myths was really debunking some very fundamental 279 00:17:14,560 --> 00:17:18,520 Speaker 1: beliefs about the way our society worked and was structured. 280 00:17:18,760 --> 00:17:21,200 Speaker 1: And that's I should say too, I mean, beyond just 281 00:17:21,800 --> 00:17:26,000 Speaker 1: the cinematic characters, the personalities in the book. I really 282 00:17:26,200 --> 00:17:28,480 Speaker 1: I saw early on too, that there was a much 283 00:17:28,520 --> 00:17:31,800 Speaker 1: bigger story here. And you know, so often the history 284 00:17:31,800 --> 00:17:34,720 Speaker 1: of women's fitness, I think especially is treated as kind 285 00:17:34,760 --> 00:17:38,880 Speaker 1: of like a series of disparate fads, from from leg 286 00:17:38,880 --> 00:17:41,320 Speaker 1: warmers to you know, bunds of you know, and the 287 00:17:41,480 --> 00:17:45,560 Speaker 1: shake weight and and it's so much more than that, 288 00:17:45,760 --> 00:17:48,480 Speaker 1: and Um, you know, so many of these pioneers have 289 00:17:48,680 --> 00:17:52,879 Speaker 1: been forgotten by history. Their work hasn't been really properly 290 00:17:53,040 --> 00:17:55,840 Speaker 1: acknowledged until now. But what I wanted to show was, 291 00:17:56,280 --> 00:17:59,159 Speaker 1: first of all, how it's all everyone's connected, and you 292 00:17:59,200 --> 00:18:01,639 Speaker 1: know Bonnie Prude and went on to influence some of 293 00:18:01,680 --> 00:18:04,359 Speaker 1: the creators, some of the founders of aerobics who went 294 00:18:04,400 --> 00:18:07,560 Speaker 1: on too. You know, every everything is every everything is connected. 295 00:18:07,920 --> 00:18:13,240 Speaker 1: And also, um, the rise of the women's fitness movement 296 00:18:13,440 --> 00:18:17,919 Speaker 1: was really a reflection. It both reflected and fueled the 297 00:18:18,040 --> 00:18:21,800 Speaker 1: changing times and cultural and social beliefs about women's bodies 298 00:18:22,000 --> 00:18:25,639 Speaker 1: and capability and power. And that just felt like a 299 00:18:25,680 --> 00:18:29,520 Speaker 1: story that that was really important and hadn't been told 300 00:18:29,560 --> 00:18:34,000 Speaker 1: and sort of one you know, cohesive narrative form. So 301 00:18:34,040 --> 00:18:36,200 Speaker 1: it was really exciting for me to get to tell 302 00:18:36,200 --> 00:18:38,480 Speaker 1: that story. And it's a story that I have not 303 00:18:38,560 --> 00:18:40,239 Speaker 1: read in this way, as you said, you know when 304 00:18:40,320 --> 00:18:43,320 Speaker 1: I'm sure you were doing your research. Um, and it's incredible, 305 00:18:43,400 --> 00:18:47,640 Speaker 1: you know, because you do go through the war and advertising. Um. 306 00:18:48,040 --> 00:18:50,480 Speaker 1: I was, you know, yelling to my wife, did you 307 00:18:50,520 --> 00:18:54,119 Speaker 1: know where the sports brod came from? Right? And one 308 00:18:54,160 --> 00:18:57,159 Speaker 1: of my favorites. Yeah, I love the line you have 309 00:18:57,200 --> 00:18:58,800 Speaker 1: one of the sports brob Ben and Jerry's and the 310 00:18:58,840 --> 00:19:02,639 Speaker 1: muppets have in common, one readers, what do they have 311 00:19:02,680 --> 00:19:04,240 Speaker 1: in common? Is kind of cool and it leads to 312 00:19:04,720 --> 00:19:08,280 Speaker 1: where it came from, right yeah, yeah, they'll have to 313 00:19:08,280 --> 00:19:12,919 Speaker 1: read and see. Yeah. Uh, but just amazing. And the 314 00:19:12,960 --> 00:19:16,439 Speaker 1: way you so expertly tie in the times and the 315 00:19:16,480 --> 00:19:20,840 Speaker 1: women's issues and how you know it affected um. As 316 00:19:20,840 --> 00:19:23,840 Speaker 1: you said, you know this community and the connections that 317 00:19:23,880 --> 00:19:26,280 Speaker 1: they had to one another, which blew me away to Danielle, 318 00:19:26,320 --> 00:19:28,560 Speaker 1: like you know, someone taught someone else. I mean, it 319 00:19:28,600 --> 00:19:32,080 Speaker 1: makes complete sense. But it's so cool to read. Um, 320 00:19:32,960 --> 00:19:35,160 Speaker 1: what surprised you? Like? What jumped out? I mean, I'm 321 00:19:35,160 --> 00:19:37,520 Speaker 1: sure there was a lot, um, but what like really 322 00:19:37,560 --> 00:19:41,040 Speaker 1: resonated with you after after reading this book? Yeah, there 323 00:19:41,080 --> 00:19:43,000 Speaker 1: really was a lot, I mean, and that's what made 324 00:19:43,040 --> 00:19:45,159 Speaker 1: it so fun. I felt like I was. It was 325 00:19:45,240 --> 00:19:48,240 Speaker 1: just such a process of discovery from the very beginning. 326 00:19:48,720 --> 00:19:53,240 Speaker 1: I love discovering those unexpected connections. Um. I have to 327 00:19:53,359 --> 00:19:58,280 Speaker 1: say that the stories of the gear, the sports bra, 328 00:19:59,000 --> 00:20:02,879 Speaker 1: the creation and rise of Micra as as like the 329 00:20:03,119 --> 00:20:06,000 Speaker 1: fitness fabric and really it's a fiber which you know 330 00:20:06,280 --> 00:20:10,720 Speaker 1: becomes the fabric fabri Exuse me, Um, those stories were 331 00:20:10,800 --> 00:20:14,359 Speaker 1: just so fascinating to me. So the sports brought to 332 00:20:14,359 --> 00:20:18,320 Speaker 1: to elaborate on what you were alluding to wasn't invented 333 00:20:18,359 --> 00:20:23,120 Speaker 1: until nineteen seventy seven in Vermont, and the fact that 334 00:20:23,200 --> 00:20:26,760 Speaker 1: it wasn't invented until that long really to me just 335 00:20:26,960 --> 00:20:30,160 Speaker 1: you know, it speaks to how little women moved for 336 00:20:30,280 --> 00:20:34,879 Speaker 1: so long. Um, with so many of these inventions, necessity 337 00:20:35,119 --> 00:20:37,879 Speaker 1: was the mother of invention, and so it took it 338 00:20:37,960 --> 00:20:41,440 Speaker 1: kind of took a critical mass of women moving for 339 00:20:41,440 --> 00:20:45,600 Speaker 1: for women to get the the gear that would enable 340 00:20:45,680 --> 00:20:48,440 Speaker 1: them to move more comfortably. And the story of Licra 341 00:20:48,600 --> 00:20:52,840 Speaker 1: too is so fascinating. It was the fiber was initially 342 00:20:52,920 --> 00:20:56,720 Speaker 1: invented by DuPont to create a more comfortable girdle. But 343 00:20:57,520 --> 00:21:02,000 Speaker 1: not long after day, after decades they debuted it, women 344 00:21:02,080 --> 00:21:05,840 Speaker 1: started ditching their girdles and so suddenly they had there 345 00:21:05,840 --> 00:21:09,440 Speaker 1: were rules and roles of you know, shiny likero fabric 346 00:21:09,760 --> 00:21:13,360 Speaker 1: that wasn't being turned into girdles, and then that fabric 347 00:21:13,440 --> 00:21:17,560 Speaker 1: basically became the fabric of Leotard's and of liberation for 348 00:21:17,560 --> 00:21:22,400 Speaker 1: so many women. So those kind of unexpected stories of 349 00:21:22,640 --> 00:21:25,440 Speaker 1: just how the contemporary industry and the gear of the 350 00:21:25,480 --> 00:21:30,640 Speaker 1: industry came to be. We're really delightful to me. I mean, 351 00:21:32,200 --> 00:21:36,200 Speaker 1: like I said, just the some of the myths that 352 00:21:36,240 --> 00:21:40,840 Speaker 1: persisted not that long ago. Um, the myth about women's 353 00:21:40,840 --> 00:21:45,040 Speaker 1: about vigorous exercise causing a woman's eaters clouts, heymeb again 354 00:21:45,080 --> 00:21:47,560 Speaker 1: and again and it you know, I I questioned, I 355 00:21:47,600 --> 00:21:50,680 Speaker 1: was like, do people really believe that? And sure enough? 356 00:21:50,840 --> 00:21:53,680 Speaker 1: I mean, so many women I interviewed and I, as 357 00:21:53,680 --> 00:21:58,800 Speaker 1: you said, I interviewed you know many um, true fitness legends, 358 00:21:58,800 --> 00:22:02,280 Speaker 1: but also just women who have been active, who lived 359 00:22:02,320 --> 00:22:06,040 Speaker 1: the history in these pages as devotees, and so many 360 00:22:06,080 --> 00:22:08,679 Speaker 1: of them described a version of that story to me. 361 00:22:08,960 --> 00:22:12,359 Speaker 1: Of of that belief you know, your uterus will drop 362 00:22:12,440 --> 00:22:15,640 Speaker 1: your univerus, well, it was just um, and I mean, 363 00:22:15,720 --> 00:22:20,640 Speaker 1: what a sort of what an ironclad way to prevent 364 00:22:20,760 --> 00:22:25,919 Speaker 1: women from pushing, from from testing their strength, especially in 365 00:22:26,040 --> 00:22:29,120 Speaker 1: the six you know, fifties and sixties, women were so 366 00:22:29,160 --> 00:22:31,879 Speaker 1: conditioned to want to have children. What could be scarier 367 00:22:32,520 --> 00:22:35,760 Speaker 1: or sound more horrifying than your uterus literally falling out? 368 00:22:35,920 --> 00:22:39,080 Speaker 1: So yeah, and it's so frightening because it's like, when 369 00:22:39,119 --> 00:22:41,000 Speaker 1: did that ever happen. I mean it makes me really 370 00:22:41,040 --> 00:22:43,399 Speaker 1: sad with you know, because doctors were pushing this, as 371 00:22:43,440 --> 00:22:46,760 Speaker 1: you said, and you know, and not that long ago. 372 00:22:47,119 --> 00:22:50,600 Speaker 1: So it's just it's sad and frightening and and you know, 373 00:22:50,640 --> 00:22:54,040 Speaker 1: makes you rethink, you know, constantly, other things that are 374 00:22:54,080 --> 00:22:56,760 Speaker 1: out there when it comes to you know, exercise and 375 00:22:57,000 --> 00:22:59,080 Speaker 1: what's being put forth. I mean, I even love what's 376 00:22:59,119 --> 00:23:01,240 Speaker 1: backtrack a little bit when you talk about mini skirts, 377 00:23:01,240 --> 00:23:04,760 Speaker 1: and you had great line basically saying, right, how clothing 378 00:23:04,800 --> 00:23:08,600 Speaker 1: up until then was was hiding imperfections and now with 379 00:23:08,720 --> 00:23:11,360 Speaker 1: the advent of mini skirts, well now we have we're 380 00:23:11,359 --> 00:23:15,160 Speaker 1: showing more skin and that led to obviously different types 381 00:23:15,200 --> 00:23:18,320 Speaker 1: of exercise and caring more about appearance, and just the 382 00:23:18,359 --> 00:23:21,520 Speaker 1: way you tie that in and it's obviously inherently tied 383 00:23:21,560 --> 00:23:26,960 Speaker 1: into the movement. It's incredible. Yeah, yeah, um, I found 384 00:23:27,000 --> 00:23:31,399 Speaker 1: that so fascinating. How until really the sixties, you know, 385 00:23:31,760 --> 00:23:36,680 Speaker 1: um yeah, women's fashions were meant to flatter and camouflage 386 00:23:36,960 --> 00:23:42,000 Speaker 1: what women called figure faults, and with the you know, 387 00:23:42,080 --> 00:23:45,080 Speaker 1: with the girdle being ditched, which happened to team a 388 00:23:45,080 --> 00:23:47,359 Speaker 1: bit later, but with with the rise of the mini 389 00:23:47,359 --> 00:23:51,440 Speaker 1: skirt and and and just the mini everything right. Suddenly 390 00:23:51,520 --> 00:23:54,960 Speaker 1: women were really exposed and so and so it was 391 00:23:55,000 --> 00:23:58,399 Speaker 1: like a paradigm shift. Instead of altering your clothes to 392 00:23:58,480 --> 00:24:01,240 Speaker 1: flatter your body, it was all during your body to 393 00:24:01,440 --> 00:24:06,000 Speaker 1: flatter your clothes and to flatter fashion. Um and as 394 00:24:06,040 --> 00:24:11,760 Speaker 1: with so many UH sort of developments in women's fashion 395 00:24:11,800 --> 00:24:14,960 Speaker 1: and beauty over the years. On the one hand, not 396 00:24:15,080 --> 00:24:19,239 Speaker 1: having to wear layers and layers of petticoats and and 397 00:24:19,320 --> 00:24:22,840 Speaker 1: be you know, dressed so modestly set women free. It 398 00:24:22,880 --> 00:24:26,359 Speaker 1: was easier to move, it was more youthful, and you 399 00:24:26,359 --> 00:24:29,760 Speaker 1: could be more expressive with your fashion. But on the 400 00:24:29,800 --> 00:24:34,280 Speaker 1: other hand, it created you know, the the beauty and 401 00:24:34,320 --> 00:24:38,640 Speaker 1: body standards were just continually ratcheted up, and and that 402 00:24:38,720 --> 00:24:42,280 Speaker 1: really did help to fuel first Slottie Burke and then 403 00:24:42,560 --> 00:24:46,000 Speaker 1: and then the rise of UH women's fitness in general. 404 00:24:46,840 --> 00:24:49,720 Speaker 1: And by the way back to to Lottie Burke years ago, 405 00:24:49,920 --> 00:24:51,480 Speaker 1: I was waiting for you to did you come across 406 00:24:51,520 --> 00:24:54,520 Speaker 1: go figure as one of the So that was like 407 00:24:55,200 --> 00:24:57,920 Speaker 1: another version of Flatty Burke, So Greenwich, Connecticut. I'm in 408 00:24:58,000 --> 00:25:00,000 Speaker 1: dairy and so you know, it was a bar method 409 00:25:00,080 --> 00:25:03,240 Speaker 1: type thing started by you know, another woman, but long 410 00:25:03,280 --> 00:25:06,080 Speaker 1: story short, I I, you know, try everything, and I 411 00:25:06,119 --> 00:25:09,880 Speaker 1: remember being so humbled, uh in this room with these 412 00:25:09,960 --> 00:25:13,200 Speaker 1: women as you describe, you know, the typical bar class 413 00:25:13,840 --> 00:25:16,880 Speaker 1: and here I was this iron man, ultra marathon guy 414 00:25:17,119 --> 00:25:22,320 Speaker 1: and I was dying. I mean, just so humbled and 415 00:25:22,760 --> 00:25:27,399 Speaker 1: it's incredible and it's just amazing. Um. And what what 416 00:25:27,520 --> 00:25:30,000 Speaker 1: I love the kind of so much great stuff in 417 00:25:30,000 --> 00:25:33,280 Speaker 1: the book, but the the overall arching theme of how 418 00:25:33,359 --> 00:25:37,840 Speaker 1: exercise made women feel right, Because I'm a big one, Danielle. 419 00:25:38,000 --> 00:25:39,359 Speaker 1: You know, I work with a bunch of different fitness 420 00:25:39,400 --> 00:25:43,479 Speaker 1: companies and pushing for let's stop having you know, the 421 00:25:43,480 --> 00:25:46,439 Speaker 1: perfect bodies in the ads. Let's have that real person 422 00:25:47,080 --> 00:25:50,040 Speaker 1: and let's open this up to everyone. Because you talk 423 00:25:50,119 --> 00:25:51,960 Speaker 1: about and I saw two back when I used to 424 00:25:51,960 --> 00:25:54,119 Speaker 1: write for the magazines and things like that, and you 425 00:25:54,160 --> 00:25:55,879 Speaker 1: speak about this in the book. You'd have an article 426 00:25:56,119 --> 00:25:58,879 Speaker 1: on you know, fitness and loving your body, and the 427 00:25:58,920 --> 00:26:02,320 Speaker 1: next page would be an ad for something totally contradictory 428 00:26:02,359 --> 00:26:05,320 Speaker 1: to what that article and what the magazine is all about, 429 00:26:06,240 --> 00:26:08,639 Speaker 1: which is so problematic. So just talk about that a 430 00:26:08,680 --> 00:26:13,879 Speaker 1: little bit. Yeah, yeah, I mean, you know, and that's 431 00:26:13,880 --> 00:26:17,840 Speaker 1: still um we still see that to an extent today. 432 00:26:17,880 --> 00:26:22,000 Speaker 1: But I really think, as as one historian told me, 433 00:26:22,040 --> 00:26:24,400 Speaker 1: you know, there has there has been a kind of 434 00:26:24,400 --> 00:26:30,440 Speaker 1: buy in from capitalism, um, to the to the body positivity, 435 00:26:30,440 --> 00:26:36,320 Speaker 1: body neutrality, body acceptance movement. Um. When you look through magazines, 436 00:26:37,200 --> 00:26:40,640 Speaker 1: uh in in certainly in the fifties and sixties, but 437 00:26:40,640 --> 00:26:45,719 Speaker 1: but even in the seventies. Um that it's really it really, 438 00:26:45,760 --> 00:26:50,240 Speaker 1: I mean, it's endlessly entertaining, but it makes your head explode. Um. 439 00:26:50,280 --> 00:26:53,919 Speaker 1: There was one example in an issue of Cosmopolitan that 440 00:26:54,000 --> 00:26:56,760 Speaker 1: was edited by the legendary Helen Burly Brown at the time, 441 00:26:57,200 --> 00:27:02,240 Speaker 1: where um, there was an article that was literally titled 442 00:27:02,359 --> 00:27:04,639 Speaker 1: why I Hate Me, and it was meant to be 443 00:27:04,680 --> 00:27:08,800 Speaker 1: a kind of you know um uh, it was meant 444 00:27:08,840 --> 00:27:11,600 Speaker 1: to encourage women to cultivate self esteem. And then on 445 00:27:11,720 --> 00:27:15,000 Speaker 1: the next page was a full body what they called 446 00:27:15,000 --> 00:27:18,760 Speaker 1: a slenderizing wrath. It was mommifying yourself, and it was 447 00:27:18,840 --> 00:27:21,560 Speaker 1: just every page it was you know. There there were 448 00:27:21,600 --> 00:27:27,280 Speaker 1: those contradictions, of course, fueled by the advertising industry, among 449 00:27:27,320 --> 00:27:31,240 Speaker 1: among other things, but um, the advertising industry has never 450 00:27:31,520 --> 00:27:37,440 Speaker 1: unfortunately you know, gone wrong by um by highlighting aspects 451 00:27:37,480 --> 00:27:40,679 Speaker 1: of women's bodies that they should feel self conscious about 452 00:27:40,760 --> 00:27:43,720 Speaker 1: and that we should feel shame about and fear. And 453 00:27:43,800 --> 00:27:46,920 Speaker 1: so it's been it has been, and again I don't 454 00:27:46,920 --> 00:27:51,159 Speaker 1: want to oversell it, but over the past five ten years, 455 00:27:51,359 --> 00:27:54,399 Speaker 1: you know, it has been really encouraging to see the 456 00:27:54,440 --> 00:27:57,520 Speaker 1: ways in which that is changing and the tolerance for 457 00:27:57,600 --> 00:28:01,680 Speaker 1: that is just it has just gone way down. There's now, 458 00:28:02,080 --> 00:28:06,520 Speaker 1: as as one body activists told me, you know, or 459 00:28:06,680 --> 00:28:11,560 Speaker 1: really just explained in a really clarifying way. For so long, 460 00:28:11,920 --> 00:28:15,040 Speaker 1: the conversation around these topics, it was one way. It 461 00:28:15,160 --> 00:28:21,360 Speaker 1: was it was pop culture, arbiters, women's magazines, media telling women, 462 00:28:21,920 --> 00:28:24,199 Speaker 1: you know, this is how you should look, this is 463 00:28:24,240 --> 00:28:28,760 Speaker 1: what you should strive for, and women attempted to to follow. 464 00:28:29,160 --> 00:28:32,359 Speaker 1: And now because of social media, which again it's you know, 465 00:28:32,600 --> 00:28:36,280 Speaker 1: it's a double edged sword. However it has given as 466 00:28:36,359 --> 00:28:39,680 Speaker 1: this one activist, Avergie Tobar put it, a voice to 467 00:28:39,720 --> 00:28:43,680 Speaker 1: those who have always been the majority in numbers, you know, 468 00:28:43,800 --> 00:28:47,720 Speaker 1: but not in power really. And so now that there's 469 00:28:47,720 --> 00:28:51,800 Speaker 1: a two way conversation anytime, there is kind of I mean, 470 00:28:52,880 --> 00:28:56,680 Speaker 1: this is there's there's a lot to deconstructor with the 471 00:28:56,760 --> 00:29:01,640 Speaker 1: way that social media U dialogs happened, but for for 472 00:29:01,720 --> 00:29:05,600 Speaker 1: better or worth. When a major fitness company or beauty 473 00:29:05,920 --> 00:29:10,800 Speaker 1: you know uh company uh starts to be your bath 474 00:29:10,960 --> 00:29:16,960 Speaker 1: into that body shaming territory, there's just there there will 475 00:29:17,000 --> 00:29:20,320 Speaker 1: be a backlash and that, um, that is progress. And 476 00:29:20,360 --> 00:29:23,720 Speaker 1: we're seeing you know, so many more uh so much 477 00:29:23,720 --> 00:29:29,280 Speaker 1: more diversity of body size and shape on magazine covers, 478 00:29:29,320 --> 00:29:35,080 Speaker 1: in advertisements, in particularly um, among women's uh you know, athletes, 479 00:29:35,120 --> 00:29:38,280 Speaker 1: your brands. Again, it's not this is not to say 480 00:29:38,320 --> 00:29:42,600 Speaker 1: that the people uh making these decisions haven't necessarily had 481 00:29:43,160 --> 00:29:49,320 Speaker 1: and some kind of you know epanophany. Yeah, yeah, yeah, 482 00:29:50,480 --> 00:29:53,840 Speaker 1: but progress has to start somewhere. So you know, you 483 00:29:54,120 --> 00:29:55,920 Speaker 1: talk about and you know it's someone who was a 484 00:29:55,920 --> 00:29:58,360 Speaker 1: trainer for many years and trained you know, so many 485 00:29:58,400 --> 00:30:01,280 Speaker 1: people of all ages and and just you know, sizes 486 00:30:01,360 --> 00:30:05,440 Speaker 1: and everything. You just wanted to get across that. Of course, 487 00:30:05,640 --> 00:30:07,720 Speaker 1: you know people and you talk about in the book 488 00:30:07,720 --> 00:30:10,120 Speaker 1: to everyone wants to be a certain way, look a 489 00:30:10,120 --> 00:30:13,880 Speaker 1: certain way. You know, we are visual people. But you know, 490 00:30:13,920 --> 00:30:18,280 Speaker 1: a huge part of my philosophy and life's work, Danielle 491 00:30:18,360 --> 00:30:21,160 Speaker 1: is saying, yeah, but there's so many benefits to exercise 492 00:30:21,200 --> 00:30:24,320 Speaker 1: that you're missing out on when that's your focus and 493 00:30:24,440 --> 00:30:26,400 Speaker 1: you know, we don't want to focus on the scale. 494 00:30:26,440 --> 00:30:29,200 Speaker 1: And you know, the benefits of exercise psychologically that you 495 00:30:29,240 --> 00:30:32,080 Speaker 1: talk about are so huge, and you talk about how 496 00:30:32,080 --> 00:30:35,200 Speaker 1: empowering it is and it's it's cliche to talk about 497 00:30:35,240 --> 00:30:37,160 Speaker 1: but it but it's so true. You know it. I 498 00:30:37,200 --> 00:30:40,120 Speaker 1: know it, Uh, And many people are learning it now, 499 00:30:40,160 --> 00:30:43,680 Speaker 1: as you're saying, because we're getting away from that perfect 500 00:30:43,720 --> 00:30:46,360 Speaker 1: ideal and do it because it feels good first, Right, 501 00:30:46,400 --> 00:30:48,400 Speaker 1: you're gonna get the other two. I always say, Danielle, Right, 502 00:30:48,600 --> 00:30:51,239 Speaker 1: what good field going to live longer? Uh? You know, 503 00:30:51,360 --> 00:30:55,240 Speaker 1: I exercise for my sanity now used to be more humanity. 504 00:30:55,360 --> 00:30:58,480 Speaker 1: But you've gotta look better, um, and you're gonna feel 505 00:30:58,520 --> 00:31:01,280 Speaker 1: better and and that's exciting and that's a huge kind 506 00:31:01,320 --> 00:31:04,640 Speaker 1: of undercurrent of your book as well. Yes. Yes, And 507 00:31:04,720 --> 00:31:08,920 Speaker 1: so many women I interviewed, particularly women who discovered exercise 508 00:31:09,040 --> 00:31:12,040 Speaker 1: in the seventies and eighties, talked about how, you know, 509 00:31:12,120 --> 00:31:14,959 Speaker 1: the thing that originally got them in the door was 510 00:31:15,720 --> 00:31:18,640 Speaker 1: changing the way they looked fitting into a smaller sized 511 00:31:18,680 --> 00:31:22,000 Speaker 1: pair of jeans. But you know, they very quickly discovered 512 00:31:22,000 --> 00:31:25,440 Speaker 1: these more profound benefits, um for their mental health, for 513 00:31:25,480 --> 00:31:28,680 Speaker 1: their energy, for their you know, even their sense of 514 00:31:28,720 --> 00:31:33,200 Speaker 1: community and social belonging. Um. I was really influenced in 515 00:31:33,240 --> 00:31:38,080 Speaker 1: my research by uh Kelly mcgonical, the psychologist at Stanford 516 00:31:38,120 --> 00:31:41,280 Speaker 1: who most recently wrote The Joy of Movement, which is 517 00:31:41,320 --> 00:31:45,800 Speaker 1: just I don't know if you've you know, I just 518 00:31:46,160 --> 00:31:51,200 Speaker 1: for me her work and which basically, you know, she 519 00:31:51,200 --> 00:31:55,280 Speaker 1: she pulls together all of the latest research into the 520 00:31:56,080 --> 00:32:01,320 Speaker 1: psychological benefits of of movement. And that's just I kept 521 00:32:01,360 --> 00:32:04,200 Speaker 1: coming back to that throughout the whole process of why 522 00:32:04,360 --> 00:32:08,800 Speaker 1: you know, um, it's I know it's obvious on many levels, 523 00:32:08,800 --> 00:32:13,000 Speaker 1: but like why this really matters for our overall well being? Um? 524 00:32:13,040 --> 00:32:18,080 Speaker 1: And for reasons that go far beyond vanity or or 525 00:32:18,080 --> 00:32:23,480 Speaker 1: even you know, kind of clinical medical health. Um. Just overall, 526 00:32:23,800 --> 00:32:26,720 Speaker 1: what what's what's more important, you know than the pursuit 527 00:32:26,880 --> 00:32:31,680 Speaker 1: of of health and happiness and so um. Yeah, it 528 00:32:31,800 --> 00:32:34,360 Speaker 1: was very It was very encouraging to hear about women 529 00:32:34,440 --> 00:32:36,880 Speaker 1: who discovered that for themselves and who are now in 530 00:32:36,920 --> 00:32:39,320 Speaker 1: there some some of them, and they're you know, eighties 531 00:32:39,320 --> 00:32:42,720 Speaker 1: and nineties and are still reaping those rewards and still teaching. 532 00:32:42,960 --> 00:32:46,640 Speaker 1: I love like you know that the daughter you know, 533 00:32:46,720 --> 00:32:49,360 Speaker 1: I just incredible, but I love and kind of end 534 00:32:49,400 --> 00:32:52,480 Speaker 1: the book there, Um, you're talking about the psychology and 535 00:32:52,840 --> 00:32:55,400 Speaker 1: that's everything I'm about. You know, I always say that, 536 00:32:55,480 --> 00:32:57,200 Speaker 1: you know, we know we need to move more and 537 00:32:57,240 --> 00:32:59,240 Speaker 1: eat better, but how do we do that? And what's 538 00:32:59,280 --> 00:33:02,320 Speaker 1: the what's the special sauce? And what you're saying and 539 00:33:02,360 --> 00:33:05,040 Speaker 1: alluding to is you know, that magic of being in 540 00:33:05,040 --> 00:33:08,840 Speaker 1: a class, of being in a group, of moving together, 541 00:33:09,480 --> 00:33:14,240 Speaker 1: of that you know, synchronicity and just like incredible, um 542 00:33:14,520 --> 00:33:17,120 Speaker 1: feeling in a group setting. And you know what, Daniel, 543 00:33:17,200 --> 00:33:18,440 Speaker 1: that kind of makes me think. You know, with the 544 00:33:18,480 --> 00:33:20,840 Speaker 1: Pelotons of the world, it's great, we brought you know, 545 00:33:20,920 --> 00:33:23,120 Speaker 1: access into the home and you can do your workouts, 546 00:33:23,160 --> 00:33:27,479 Speaker 1: but there's nothing like being in that group setting. Uh 547 00:33:28,360 --> 00:33:30,680 Speaker 1: right now, as you talk about in the book with 548 00:33:30,760 --> 00:33:34,400 Speaker 1: the bar and all those different methodologies you tried out. Yeah, 549 00:33:34,600 --> 00:33:37,000 Speaker 1: and it just you know, it actually brings it back 550 00:33:37,000 --> 00:33:39,480 Speaker 1: to the marathon for me, um, which is fresh on 551 00:33:39,520 --> 00:33:43,160 Speaker 1: my mind after the race on Sunday. But but it 552 00:33:43,760 --> 00:33:48,520 Speaker 1: I every single time, I well, every time I watched 553 00:33:48,520 --> 00:33:50,840 Speaker 1: the New York City Marathon, which I'm fortunate that it 554 00:33:51,160 --> 00:33:55,720 Speaker 1: literally runs right by my apartment. Um, But even for me, 555 00:33:55,800 --> 00:33:59,080 Speaker 1: every time I'm waiting to start running a road race, 556 00:33:59,640 --> 00:34:03,200 Speaker 1: I cry, you know, I not no, I'm not weeping, 557 00:34:03,320 --> 00:34:06,360 Speaker 1: but I but I just feel that such it's such 558 00:34:06,400 --> 00:34:10,840 Speaker 1: a pure swell of emotion and and and I that 559 00:34:11,040 --> 00:34:13,360 Speaker 1: to me is precious. I mean, there's there are a 560 00:34:13,400 --> 00:34:16,560 Speaker 1: few things, I think for me that have the ability 561 00:34:16,640 --> 00:34:20,320 Speaker 1: to move me in such a reliable and visceral way. 562 00:34:20,840 --> 00:34:25,319 Speaker 1: And it's just that experience of of moving together in 563 00:34:25,320 --> 00:34:29,799 Speaker 1: a crowd, knowing that everyone everyone is trying, you know, 564 00:34:30,120 --> 00:34:33,120 Speaker 1: and and you know, I was thinking about what you 565 00:34:33,160 --> 00:34:36,719 Speaker 1: were the you highlighted the anecdote I talked about in 566 00:34:36,719 --> 00:34:39,040 Speaker 1: the book where the cab driver asked me if I 567 00:34:39,080 --> 00:34:42,520 Speaker 1: walked when I told him time, and and I should 568 00:34:42,680 --> 00:34:45,040 Speaker 1: I should mention too. I did run it with my dad, 569 00:34:45,080 --> 00:34:49,000 Speaker 1: who is the most passionate runner and is responsible for 570 00:34:49,000 --> 00:34:52,680 Speaker 1: for my interest in this sport. But he um, my 571 00:34:52,760 --> 00:34:55,680 Speaker 1: dad was slowing down for me. He was sixty eight. 572 00:34:55,719 --> 00:35:02,279 Speaker 1: But I mean, but I mentioned that because you know, 573 00:35:02,480 --> 00:35:05,600 Speaker 1: I'm I'm not an elite athlete. I'm a very I 574 00:35:05,640 --> 00:35:07,640 Speaker 1: think one of the reasons why I was really interested 575 00:35:07,640 --> 00:35:11,399 Speaker 1: in telling this story also is because I'm not I'm 576 00:35:11,440 --> 00:35:15,960 Speaker 1: not an instructor, I'm not an industry professional, and yet um, 577 00:35:16,040 --> 00:35:20,280 Speaker 1: exercise and movement have have had such a profound impact 578 00:35:20,360 --> 00:35:23,640 Speaker 1: on me, and I wanted to know how, you know 579 00:35:23,719 --> 00:35:30,160 Speaker 1: how and why just regular uh appreciators of movement and 580 00:35:30,200 --> 00:35:33,880 Speaker 1: fitness came to have access to the opportunities that we 581 00:35:33,960 --> 00:35:37,919 Speaker 1: now have today. How I could run a marathon when 582 00:35:38,320 --> 00:35:42,640 Speaker 1: just you know, fifty years ago, even the most elite 583 00:35:42,680 --> 00:35:48,080 Speaker 1: Olympic athletes, female athletes didn't have that opportunity. So, um, 584 00:35:48,160 --> 00:35:50,920 Speaker 1: you know it, fitness looks different for everyone. But I 585 00:35:50,960 --> 00:35:53,480 Speaker 1: think what we have in common is that it comes 586 00:35:53,520 --> 00:35:55,759 Speaker 1: down to you know, you don't have to look a 587 00:35:55,760 --> 00:35:58,680 Speaker 1: certain way or have a certain ability to benefit from 588 00:35:58,680 --> 00:36:03,279 Speaker 1: it in a very deep way. And I would argue 589 00:36:03,320 --> 00:36:06,240 Speaker 1: your passion and kind of connection, and I'm like you listen, 590 00:36:06,239 --> 00:36:09,399 Speaker 1: every finish line I cross, I cry, you know, it's 591 00:36:09,440 --> 00:36:12,560 Speaker 1: all it changes you and and I love and but 592 00:36:12,600 --> 00:36:14,880 Speaker 1: and I love that you're not that person, right, You're 593 00:36:14,920 --> 00:36:18,319 Speaker 1: not the fitness instructor, because I think that is one 594 00:36:18,320 --> 00:36:20,359 Speaker 1: of the reasons the book is so good. Not that 595 00:36:20,400 --> 00:36:22,520 Speaker 1: a fitness instructor could write a good book, but you 596 00:36:22,600 --> 00:36:24,839 Speaker 1: come at it in a different way that is so 597 00:36:25,000 --> 00:36:28,400 Speaker 1: unique and so just passionate and I love the chapter. 598 00:36:28,520 --> 00:36:31,240 Speaker 1: I tweeted it out. I was literally reading the chapter 599 00:36:31,520 --> 00:36:35,920 Speaker 1: on running, and you said you started with Katherine Switzer's quote, 600 00:36:36,239 --> 00:36:38,520 Speaker 1: if you're losing faith in human nature, go out and 601 00:36:38,560 --> 00:36:42,480 Speaker 1: watch a marathon. There's something so powerful about that. And everyone, 602 00:36:42,520 --> 00:36:45,160 Speaker 1: I would say, everyone has a story, and everyone's suffering together, 603 00:36:45,600 --> 00:36:48,560 Speaker 1: and at the end, everyone will you know, they're suffering 604 00:36:48,560 --> 00:36:50,840 Speaker 1: on the same course, in the same conditions, and everyone 605 00:36:50,840 --> 00:36:53,000 Speaker 1: will have a story and everyone will suffer. And all 606 00:36:53,000 --> 00:36:56,000 Speaker 1: those analogies again are so cliche, but they're so powerful, 607 00:36:56,280 --> 00:36:59,160 Speaker 1: And yeah, you really kind of get that across. I'll 608 00:36:59,160 --> 00:37:01,040 Speaker 1: give you a quick story. I a client many years ago. 609 00:37:01,120 --> 00:37:03,280 Speaker 1: Your book made me think of this, and we started 610 00:37:03,280 --> 00:37:05,360 Speaker 1: working together. She wanted to lose weight, and she was 611 00:37:05,400 --> 00:37:08,239 Speaker 1: a high executive and not in a great marriage. And 612 00:37:08,320 --> 00:37:11,920 Speaker 1: we started running, and I realized, to your point, um, Danielle, 613 00:37:11,960 --> 00:37:13,359 Speaker 1: so many of the women I worked with in their 614 00:37:13,360 --> 00:37:16,880 Speaker 1: forties and fifties weren't allowed to do exercise right, weren't 615 00:37:16,880 --> 00:37:19,239 Speaker 1: allowed to play sports for whatever reason. It wasn't the 616 00:37:19,320 --> 00:37:22,719 Speaker 1: fathers wouldn't let them. And there were amazing athletes that 617 00:37:22,760 --> 00:37:26,440 Speaker 1: we figured you're right, which was sad and amazing. So 618 00:37:26,480 --> 00:37:28,560 Speaker 1: long story short, we started doing five ks and then 619 00:37:28,560 --> 00:37:31,320 Speaker 1: ten ks and her husband wasn't supportive, and we finished 620 00:37:31,320 --> 00:37:33,879 Speaker 1: our first half marathon together. I paced her and I said, 621 00:37:33,920 --> 00:37:35,759 Speaker 1: you know what, you could run a marathon. And her 622 00:37:35,840 --> 00:37:38,200 Speaker 1: husband was at the finish line and he said, Childford 623 00:37:38,280 --> 00:37:41,760 Speaker 1: do it. We ran six around the world. She divorced 624 00:37:41,840 --> 00:37:45,800 Speaker 1: him at you know, ran on to such great things. 625 00:37:45,880 --> 00:37:47,759 Speaker 1: And and I think that's one of the kind of 626 00:37:47,840 --> 00:37:50,279 Speaker 1: themes of this book as well, is you know, so 627 00:37:50,320 --> 00:37:52,080 Speaker 1: many of the limitations that were put on women for 628 00:37:52,239 --> 00:37:55,680 Speaker 1: these reasons and others are changing. And and it's the 629 00:37:55,719 --> 00:37:58,040 Speaker 1: mental side, and it's the self confidence and the self 630 00:37:58,040 --> 00:38:01,279 Speaker 1: efficacy that comes from this with that great storyline of 631 00:38:01,320 --> 00:38:03,600 Speaker 1: the job Bras and Jock Bras and all the great 632 00:38:03,640 --> 00:38:06,160 Speaker 1: other things that you weave into it, what do you 633 00:38:06,200 --> 00:38:08,520 Speaker 1: want people to kind of get from this? The more 634 00:38:08,600 --> 00:38:11,560 Speaker 1: I understand kind of I mean, this is why I 635 00:38:11,560 --> 00:38:15,040 Speaker 1: wrote a book of history, but where you know, our 636 00:38:15,080 --> 00:38:19,880 Speaker 1: present opportunities came from, the more I appreciate what we 637 00:38:19,960 --> 00:38:23,840 Speaker 1: have and the more meaning, you know, those opportunities have 638 00:38:24,040 --> 00:38:26,640 Speaker 1: for me. So on one level, yes, I hope that 639 00:38:26,719 --> 00:38:30,640 Speaker 1: readers take away that that the opportunity to move um, 640 00:38:30,920 --> 00:38:33,840 Speaker 1: as well as as the access to move is still 641 00:38:34,080 --> 00:38:39,160 Speaker 1: a relatively recent privilege. And also that it's one that 642 00:38:39,320 --> 00:38:43,239 Speaker 1: you know can be harnessed for just for so much 643 00:38:43,280 --> 00:38:49,680 Speaker 1: good and so much beyond um the cosmetic um. And 644 00:38:49,440 --> 00:38:54,080 Speaker 1: and and finally you know that that the most important thing, 645 00:38:54,640 --> 00:38:57,960 Speaker 1: just based on my research, is moving in ways that 646 00:38:58,040 --> 00:39:01,640 Speaker 1: make us feel good. And that doesn't mean easy, it can, 647 00:39:01,880 --> 00:39:05,520 Speaker 1: you know, but um, running a marathon makes me feel 648 00:39:05,560 --> 00:39:08,719 Speaker 1: really good, you know, and so but it just it's 649 00:39:08,840 --> 00:39:14,520 Speaker 1: finding exercise should not be punitive, you know. And so 650 00:39:14,960 --> 00:39:20,360 Speaker 1: finding um, those the forms of fitness that that boost 651 00:39:20,480 --> 00:39:25,239 Speaker 1: us and make us feel good and um just help 652 00:39:25,360 --> 00:39:28,319 Speaker 1: to help to bolster our our mental health puts it 653 00:39:28,440 --> 00:39:32,160 Speaker 1: perfectly like a you know, period exclamation point on it. 654 00:39:32,160 --> 00:39:34,439 Speaker 1: It's that, as you said, and I was gonna give 655 00:39:34,480 --> 00:39:37,040 Speaker 1: you give them your line that it shouldn't be punitive. 656 00:39:37,200 --> 00:39:40,280 Speaker 1: And you know, when people say they don't like exercise, Danielletts, 657 00:39:40,280 --> 00:39:42,480 Speaker 1: I always say, you haven't found what you like. You 658 00:39:42,480 --> 00:39:44,920 Speaker 1: haven't found and there is no failure. You know, you 659 00:39:44,960 --> 00:39:47,719 Speaker 1: may try bar you may hate running. You know, I say, 660 00:39:47,760 --> 00:39:49,319 Speaker 1: swimming is not a sport, it's a means to keep 661 00:39:49,320 --> 00:39:52,799 Speaker 1: from drowning. I do try athalons, but you know, um, 662 00:39:53,000 --> 00:39:56,200 Speaker 1: there there's such power when you find that thing, and 663 00:39:56,280 --> 00:39:59,200 Speaker 1: you you will find it if you keep trying, you know, 664 00:39:59,320 --> 00:40:01,120 Speaker 1: But don't beat your self up. I love too, which 665 00:40:01,120 --> 00:40:03,520 Speaker 1: just real quickly, Uh when you talk about how perfect 666 00:40:03,760 --> 00:40:05,919 Speaker 1: you know, I used to teach a crunch many years 667 00:40:05,920 --> 00:40:08,360 Speaker 1: ago and I remember walking by a jump rope class 668 00:40:08,400 --> 00:40:10,840 Speaker 1: and I was like, oh my gosh, these people are amazing, 669 00:40:10,960 --> 00:40:13,520 Speaker 1: Like no how you would ever walk into that class 670 00:40:13,520 --> 00:40:15,960 Speaker 1: because they were so perfect. But don't be afraid of 671 00:40:16,000 --> 00:40:18,239 Speaker 1: finding that thing that you like. And and maybe you 672 00:40:18,280 --> 00:40:21,200 Speaker 1: do start at home as you talk about, um, you know, 673 00:40:21,200 --> 00:40:24,640 Speaker 1: with certain people and instructors. Um, but find that thing 674 00:40:25,160 --> 00:40:28,719 Speaker 1: and and it will be fun, it will feel good 675 00:40:28,760 --> 00:40:31,320 Speaker 1: and it may change over time to right you know exactly, 676 00:40:31,360 --> 00:40:33,560 Speaker 1: it probably will. Can you change? And don't beat yourself 677 00:40:33,640 --> 00:40:35,200 Speaker 1: up and go, oh, you know I used to spend 678 00:40:35,239 --> 00:40:37,080 Speaker 1: three times a week and now I don't feel like it. 679 00:40:37,120 --> 00:40:39,360 Speaker 1: You go, Okay, find that next thing, the zimba or 680 00:40:39,360 --> 00:40:42,400 Speaker 1: whatever it might be. Danielle, thank you so much for 681 00:40:42,440 --> 00:40:44,399 Speaker 1: taking the time. Thank you so much for writing this book. 682 00:40:44,920 --> 00:40:48,239 Speaker 1: You know, was just torturing. My wife kept you know, 683 00:40:48,320 --> 00:40:50,400 Speaker 1: reading parts to her and saying like how great and 684 00:40:50,440 --> 00:40:52,799 Speaker 1: the just all the things that I didn't know and 685 00:40:52,800 --> 00:40:55,319 Speaker 1: the people. Um, so it's called Let's Get Physical. They 686 00:40:55,360 --> 00:40:59,000 Speaker 1: can pre order now, right, Yeah, it's available wherever books 687 00:40:59,000 --> 00:41:02,120 Speaker 1: are sold. If you're into fitness, if you're into just 688 00:41:02,360 --> 00:41:05,720 Speaker 1: history of women and exercise, you will be blown away 689 00:41:05,800 --> 00:41:10,319 Speaker 1: the characters and again Danielle goes so deep and uh, 690 00:41:10,360 --> 00:41:13,520 Speaker 1: it's just it's an amazing book. So I cannot recommend 691 00:41:13,520 --> 00:41:16,480 Speaker 1: it more highly. Let's Get Physical How Women Discovered Exercise 692 00:41:16,560 --> 00:41:18,960 Speaker 1: and Reshape the World. Danielle, thank you so much for 693 00:41:18,960 --> 00:41:21,520 Speaker 1: taking the time and much success with this book. Thank 694 00:41:21,560 --> 00:41:23,120 Speaker 1: you so much for having me. This has been such 695 00:41:23,120 --> 00:41:25,520 Speaker 1: a pleasure. All right, thank you Danielle, And we will 696 00:41:25,560 --> 00:41:35,719 Speaker 1: be right back after this short break and we are back. 697 00:41:35,840 --> 00:41:40,360 Speaker 1: Thank you to Dan Yelle Freedman. Go out and get 698 00:41:40,400 --> 00:41:43,280 Speaker 1: this book. Order it, pre order it. Let's Get Physical, 699 00:41:44,000 --> 00:41:49,440 Speaker 1: How Women Discovered Exercise and Reshape the World. Awesome, awesome. 700 00:41:50,040 --> 00:41:55,440 Speaker 1: If you want to reach out to me questions comments, uh, 701 00:41:55,480 --> 00:41:59,600 Speaker 1: Tom Instagram, Tom h fit is Twitter, you can go 702 00:41:59,680 --> 00:42:02,480 Speaker 1: to iss Disrupted dot com email me through the site 703 00:42:02,920 --> 00:42:06,040 Speaker 1: as well. Uh. And my most recent book is The 704 00:42:06,040 --> 00:42:09,200 Speaker 1: Micro Workout Plan. You can order that a bunch of 705 00:42:09,200 --> 00:42:14,080 Speaker 1: great workouts in their home workouts just body weight and dumbbells. 706 00:42:14,120 --> 00:42:16,200 Speaker 1: So if you're in the market for something like that, 707 00:42:16,239 --> 00:42:19,000 Speaker 1: the Micro Workout Plan, and yes, if you have purchased 708 00:42:19,000 --> 00:42:24,200 Speaker 1: it and enjoyed it and Amazon review is greatly appreciated. 709 00:42:24,239 --> 00:42:28,960 Speaker 1: As Danielle will attest again, I just love, love, love 710 00:42:29,600 --> 00:42:31,600 Speaker 1: the fact that I get to speak with people like Danielle, 711 00:42:31,640 --> 00:42:36,040 Speaker 1: and I can't recommend this book more highly educational, entertaining 712 00:42:36,360 --> 00:42:40,279 Speaker 1: and unique and just awesome. Again. Let's get physical, all right, 713 00:42:40,520 --> 00:42:44,040 Speaker 1: Thank you so much for listening. Remember the three things 714 00:42:44,080 --> 00:42:46,839 Speaker 1: we all control, how much we move, what we put 715 00:42:46,840 --> 00:42:53,200 Speaker 1: into our mouths, and our attitudes. That, my friends, is awesome. 716 00:42:54,320 --> 00:42:58,400 Speaker 1: I am Tom Holland. This is Fitness Disrupted, Believing yourself. 717 00:43:00,520 --> 00:43:03,880 Speaker 1: Fitness Disrupted is a production of I Heart Radio. For 718 00:43:03,960 --> 00:43:06,759 Speaker 1: more podcasts from my heart Radio, visit the i heart 719 00:43:06,840 --> 00:43:10,200 Speaker 1: Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you listen to your 720 00:43:10,239 --> 00:43:11,040 Speaker 1: favorite shows.