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Speaker 1: Joe Biden left Americans behind in Afghanistan, so it's sad

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Speaker 1: unconcerned about leaving Americans behind enemy lines. We'll talk to

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Speaker 1: one Senator who's trying to do something about it. Senator

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Speaker 1: Marshall Blackburn of Tennessee is putting pressure on this administration

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Speaker 1: under federal law. We'll talk about the importance of that

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Speaker 1: distinction and what she's trying to do to bring these

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Speaker 1: more broadly, and the funding fight that's taking place on

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Speaker 1: for Senator Marshall Blackburn. Senator Blackburn, it's always an honor

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Speaker 1: to have you on the show. You have rightfully been

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Speaker 1: putting pressure on the Biden administration to formally recognize the

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Speaker 1: American citizens who are being held hostage in Gaza under

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Speaker 1: federal law. Why is that distinction important? And also why

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Speaker 1: has this administration not done that?

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Speaker 2: It is a puzzling why they have not done that, Lisa.

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Speaker 2: When you look at our code, our laws and you

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Speaker 2: read eighteen USC. One two three, what you see is

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Speaker 2: the definition of a hostage. It's someone that is being

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Speaker 2: So that is how we classify that. And we all

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Speaker 2: know of the Israelis that were taken hostage and taken

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Speaker 2: And then you look at the situation in Gaza and

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Speaker 2: situation is challenging their negotiating with Hamas to allow these

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Speaker 2: but it was Hamas who was making demands. And then

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Speaker 2: don't know why they do not want to say, Hamas,

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Speaker 1: You know, that's probably the best way to sum up

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Speaker 1: this administration as appeasement. You know, when you look at

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Speaker 2: I've sent a letter over to the White House to

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Speaker 2: the American people need to know. They know that there

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Speaker 2: They know that Hamas is in charge in Gaza. They

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Speaker 2: And of course the AID Agency it would be helpful

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Speaker 1: You know, sata I wanted to ask you. Biden launched this.

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Speaker 1: Islamophobia at a time when we've seen anti Semitic incidents

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Speaker 1: So why can't this administration just find the moral clarity

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Speaker 2: We know from this administration and the Obama administration, and

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Speaker 2: That's why you had the Iran nuclear deal, the twenty

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Speaker 2: But what you have to realize is that Russia, China, Iran,

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Speaker 2: funding these acts now, Lisa, I think also we have

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Speaker 2: These people ought to be fired. They should never have

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Speaker 2: What do you want me to say? Now? We should

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Speaker 2: But this group, I question what they're doing.

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Speaker 1: It certainly paints a picture of how we got here

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Speaker 1: when you put it out that way. I also just

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Speaker 1: which is not the issue at hand right We're seeing

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Speaker 1: clear in that. But you know, there's some arguments on

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Speaker 2: Israel's funding needs to go first, and we should move

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Speaker 2: quickly on that. I'm pleased that the House is taking

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Speaker 2: be done at the border. Of the month of October,

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Speaker 2: you had about forty Iranians. Pakistanis over one hundred Russians.

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Speaker 2: You had two thousand Chinese foreign nationals that came across

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Speaker 2: These numbers are astounding. We don't know who is in

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Speaker 2: it comes to Ukraine, you don't want Putin to win,

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Speaker 2: and what you have to do. What you've got to

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Speaker 2: do is to make certain that there's transparency and accountability

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Speaker 2: on any money that goes to you.

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Speaker 1: I agree with that, Senator. It's sad to see where

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Speaker 1: we are today. You talked about this new axis of evil.

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Speaker 1: It just feels like we're no longer the superpower that

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Speaker 1: we once were. It's pretty disheartening to see a senator

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Speaker 1: appreciate you taking the time to join the show. It's

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Speaker 1: always an honor to talk to you really always love

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Speaker 1: having you on. Thanks so much for making time for us.

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Speaker 2: Oh, thank you so much. Good to join you. Thank you.

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Speaker 1: I'm the Senator Marsha Blackburn of Tennessee. Appreciate her for

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