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Speaker 1: Oh, here we go, another magical night of baseball. Last night.

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Speaker 1: We are live in Chicago. It's the Herd wherever you

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Speaker 1: may be, however you may be listening. Thanks for making

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Speaker 1: us part of your day. A lot of baseball. First hour,

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Speaker 1: great co sal top of next hour. We'll go to

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Speaker 1: New York later in this show. My buddy e O'Connor

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Speaker 1: is going to stop buy who's been covering the Yankees

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Speaker 1: for a long long time. Jmac, it's just the wild

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Speaker 1: card round. See, this is what the NBA show. Three games.

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Speaker 1: You don't need to go back and forth if you're

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Speaker 1: a top seed or a better seed. We don't need

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Speaker 1: to go to Fenway and Yankee Stadium. We're playing in

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Speaker 1: New York. It's three games, it's three in a row.

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Speaker 1: You earned it. I don't know who. I like two

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Speaker 1: young pitchers going in Game three tonight, but the bottom

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Speaker 1: line is massive urgency NBA first Round seven games. I

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Speaker 1: don't have to watch. You have to watch these games.

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Speaker 1: I mean, just unbelievable last night. Now we get a

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Speaker 1: game three to night with two young arms going. So

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Speaker 1: let's start with this. The best thing the Yankees had

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Speaker 1: going for him last night is that Garrett Crochet wasn't

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Speaker 1: pitching for Boston. Basically is I mean left handershit won

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Speaker 1: sixty six on mL year, so he didn't pitch, and

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Speaker 1: it was the Yankees who had the better starting pitcher

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Speaker 1: last night. Red Sox went to their pen early. So

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Speaker 1: the Yankees have Carlos Roodon going. He won eighteen games.

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Speaker 1: So before the game started, oh good, we get one

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Speaker 1: of our a and the analytics department. Thanks analytics department,

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Speaker 1: they allowed Ben Rice back in the lineup. Jack two

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Speaker 1: the analytics department upstairs said, yeah, we'll allow Ben Rice,

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Speaker 1: great fielder, he gives them power. But what this game

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Speaker 1: Sox that were making the mistakes. Let's go to the

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Speaker 1: fifth inning. Aaron Judge hits the ball to left field,

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Speaker 1: So in Game one, it was the Yankees making the

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Speaker 1: The Red Sox had another opportunity, two runners on, nobody out,

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Speaker 1: Yankees are the ones that deliver. Now we go to

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Speaker 1: the bottom of the eighth. Jazz Chisholm, who should play

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Speaker 1: every game, give me a break. Athletics defense, base running.

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Speaker 1: Austin Wells delivers, so again high leverage moments. The analytics department,

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Speaker 1: The guys upstairs are sett in the lineup. Oh, Ben

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Speaker 3: I thought our defense tonight was, you know, really really good.

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Speaker 2: But what a game.

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Speaker 1: So Jazz Chisholm reportedly will play tonight. Should I mean again,

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Speaker 1: It's a short porch in right field. He's been on

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Speaker 1: a heater hitting in September. I'd play him too, yeah,

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Speaker 1: Mookie Bets last night's insane. Mookie Bets gets four hits,

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Speaker 1: have too much talent. They just overpower Cincinnati. The Reds

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Speaker 1: the bullpen. Yikes. Then you went too the bullpen, and

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Speaker 1: Now the glimmer of hope is Roki Sazaki. They brought

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Speaker 1: there's a way to win. You hold your breath. They

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Speaker 2: There's a lot of work to be done.

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Speaker 4: My only ass is.

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Speaker 1: That every single guy be ready when called upon.

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Speaker 4: Keep your minds right.

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Speaker 3: We're gonna eat every single one of you guys.

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Speaker 1: Stay in it, stay focused, keep playing for each other.

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Speaker 1: It. I mean, it's all hands on deck against the Phillies.

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Speaker 1: Super Bowls. A bad old line, you can't win it all.

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Speaker 1: This bullpen problematic all year long. I will say this,

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Speaker 1: it keeps every Dodger game interesting, Like every Dodger game

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Speaker 1: it's just different. Games in New York are different. It's

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Speaker 1: These Yankee games in Yankee Stadium. I know it's not

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Speaker 1: you don't write tonight. I you all hands on deck.

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Speaker 1: to the ninth inning, would the Red Sox bring in

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Speaker 1: Garrett Crochet for two batters? I think you'd have to.

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Speaker 1: I mean, Wild Wild Card Round got three games. You're

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Speaker 1: if you're the Red Sox and you need two outs,

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Speaker 1: I think it's all hands on deck. J Mack, that

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Speaker 1: was fun last night. That was really fun last night.

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Speaker 1: It won't I mean, nearly as much fun tonight as

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Speaker 5: Well we'll talk about that soon. But a big week

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Speaker 1: Yankees win last night in a thriller.

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Speaker 5: They're probably winning today, and you know the Jets are

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Speaker 5: delivering it home on Sunday against the Dallas Cowboys.

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Speaker 1: You know, I don't know about the Giants. I don't

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Speaker 1: have played great at Yankee Stadium. So I don't know.

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Speaker 1: The Yankees had the better starting pitcher last night and one,

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Speaker 1: Let's get that one out of the way, because the

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Speaker 1: So they play the Niners tonight, I said the other

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Speaker 1: So I kept joking with Jmack all week. I said,

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Speaker 4: he's been phenomenal on third down Colin, and he's been

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Speaker 4: phenomenal versus pressure. Those are two to two critical areas

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Speaker 4: for young quarterbacks. Most young quarterbacks struggle with those two things,

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Speaker 4: those two situations, and he's been phenomenal. So I really

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Speaker 4: like what I've seen up to this point. I think

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Speaker 4: their run game needs to start becoming a little better.

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Speaker 4: You know, they've got some good backs. You know you

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Speaker 4: mentioned Will Campbell, the left tackle. It's really interesting watching

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Speaker 4: him and I had this conversation with a really well

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Speaker 4: respected on line coach who and most online coaches are

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Speaker 4: believer in arm length. They say that sixty percent of

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Speaker 4: the snaps, you can do everything right and you look

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Speaker 4: really good at arm length isn't an issue. It's the

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Speaker 4: forty percent where your technique breaks down. You have to

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Speaker 4: be reactive, and that's where arm length comes into play.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, all right. Every year I pick a team that

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Speaker 1: I think is significantly better better than the experts. Last

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Speaker 1: year it was Washington and Denver. The year before it

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Speaker 1: was the Rams. People thought they were going to rebuild.

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Speaker 1: The year before that Viking, So I've been in a

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Speaker 1: role I This year it was the Seahawks. I think

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Speaker 1: John Snyder is an excellent GM. I think the last

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Speaker 1: three drafts have been outstanding, and you and I have

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Speaker 1: both liked Donald for a long time. When I watch them,

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Speaker 1: sometimes Greg, I do the sounddown test, turn the sound down,

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Speaker 1: cut the announcers out, watch the speed and athletic ability

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Speaker 1: of a team. And when you turn the sound down

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Speaker 1: with the Seahawks and you just forget who they are.

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Speaker 1: That team has got athletes Jackson Smith and Jig Bass.

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Speaker 1: I'm sorry, but that's a number one you're watching. Donald.

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Speaker 1: I don't know, I'm not saying they're Philadelphia. I'm not

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Speaker 1: saying they have that roster, but the film has got

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Speaker 1: to say they're athletic. They play with a lot of energy,

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Speaker 1: do they not?

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Speaker 4: They sure do? And will you really notice it? And yes,

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Speaker 4: Donald is very very good and he's played very well

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Speaker 4: going back to last year with Minnesota and certainly this year.

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Speaker 4: And one of the things he does as well as

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Speaker 4: any quarterback in the league is throw the ball down

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Speaker 4: the field. But you look at that defense, now, that

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Speaker 4: defense is really athletic. They're very good on defense, and

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Speaker 4: a lot of people are probably not thinking about them

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Speaker 4: as a really good defensive team. And by the way,

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Speaker 4: they haven't even gotten to play because he was injured

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Speaker 4: in the preseason. Nick Emnwarie, I guess he was an

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Speaker 4: early second round pick if I'm not mistaken. The safety

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Speaker 4: from South Carolina, who I think, within the context of

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Speaker 4: how Mike McDonald plays defense, is going to be a

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Speaker 4: really impactful player. So to me, this is a pretty

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Speaker 4: complete team. They'd like to get their run game going

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Speaker 4: a little more, but I think it will because Kenneth

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Speaker 4: Walker has a lot of ability. But right now I

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Speaker 4: look at Seattle as a really solid team.

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Speaker 1: I want to talk Philadelphia. This is bizarre.

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Speaker 4: They are totally bizarre.

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Speaker 1: They have had the two worst offensive halves. Not Tennessee,

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Speaker 1: not Carolina, not the Saints. The two worst offensive halves

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Speaker 1: of football have been the Eagles first half against the Rams.

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Speaker 1: Second half last week. They're trying to get aj Brown

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Speaker 1: the ball. It worked against the Rams, who don't have

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Speaker 1: size at corner. This thing is this thing?

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Speaker 4: Is is it?

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Speaker 1: The offensive coordinator is at the play calling. They go

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Speaker 1: into these holes where it's just a what is it?

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Speaker 4: It's a hard question to answer, but I will tell

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Speaker 4: you this. The offensive line has not played well this

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Speaker 4: year and the tape tells you that. And I think

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Speaker 4: the assumption, because it's been maybe the best offensive line

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Speaker 4: in football for the last two three years, the assumption

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Speaker 4: just is, oh, it's a great old line. Well, this

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Speaker 4: year it has not played to that level. And Barkley,

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Speaker 4: they're still giving him the ball. He's got the most

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Speaker 4: first down rushes of any back in the league, but

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Speaker 4: he's averaging three yards of carry and again yards before

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Speaker 4: first contact is awful. And Barkley is a little bit

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Speaker 4: of a searcher and a looker when he doesn't feel

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Speaker 4: that he has room so sometimes he leaves yards on

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Speaker 4: the field. But the pass game, I mean, if I

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Speaker 4: said to you, Colin, here's a team that can't that's

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Speaker 4: not throwing it very well, I'm not running it very well,

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Speaker 4: you'd probably say, well, they can't be very good record wise,

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Speaker 4: yet they're four and zero. They're just the passing game

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Speaker 4: just is not comfortable to me right now. There's not

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Speaker 4: a lot of clean looks for Jalen Hurts. I don't

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Speaker 4: feel like he's comfortable with what he's looking at. Normally,

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Speaker 4: they work outside the numbers really effectively. Jalen is phenomenal

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Speaker 4: throwing the ball outside the numbers. Other than the Rams

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Speaker 4: game in that second half, you haven't seen much of

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Speaker 4: that at all. So I don't know. To me, it's

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Speaker 4: a mystery. But they're not very good right now on offense.

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Speaker 1: Okay, So coming out of the draft, I definitely did

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Speaker 1: not like JJ McCarthy as much as the GMS, and

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Speaker 1: I like bow Nicks more so. I watched Oregon and

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Speaker 1: at Auburn, and I thought with Sean Payton was going

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Speaker 1: to work. One of the things that I'm always impressed

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Speaker 1: with him is that when HiT's a ball out into

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Speaker 1: the flat and it can be to Mims, Sutton, Harvey, anybody.

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Speaker 1: He puts that ball right out in front, so the receiver,

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Speaker 1: the pass catcher catches it running. They don't have to

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Speaker 1: wait for it. It's not a lollipopsher. It's very brady.

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Speaker 1: It is a tight spiral, and that's an underrated skill.

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Speaker 1: He is really accurate, like eight nine yard just bang, bang,

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Speaker 1: very crisp. He was great against Cincinnati. What does the

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Speaker 1: film say on bo Nicks.

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Speaker 4: Well, it's funny you say that because ninety five percent

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Speaker 4: of run after catches on the quarterback, not on the receiver.

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Speaker 4: You just have to go back to Bill Walsh for that.

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Speaker 4: We all know that if you watch tape. It's funny

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Speaker 4: you mentioned Nicks. The first couple of weeks of this season,

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Speaker 4: he struggled. He was not getting clear pictures. He reacted

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Speaker 4: to pressure that wasn't there. Sometimes it looks like he

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Speaker 4: was inventing pressure. He just didn't play well through the

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Speaker 4: first two weeks, which sometimes happens with a second year quarterback,

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Speaker 4: particularly after they've had success as a rookie. But the

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Speaker 4: last two weeks he started to play better, and I

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Speaker 4: thought against Cincinnati he clearly had his best game, and

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Speaker 4: I think he's a really solid player. You know, me,

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Speaker 4: I don't get caught up and is he top five tops,

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Speaker 4: So you know, I don't get caught up in that.

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Speaker 4: But I think he's starting to play a little more comfortably,

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Speaker 4: a little more calmly. And I think that with Sean Payton,

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Speaker 4: he gets set up in good situations. And if you want,

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Speaker 4: we can go right to the play of the week

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Speaker 4: because it's going to be Bo Nicks and it's just

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Speaker 4: to me an example of really good coaching. It's the

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Speaker 4: touchdown he threw, which we're actually looking at right now,

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Speaker 4: we'll see it. It's a touchdown he threw this past

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Speaker 4: week to Cortland Sutton And to me, this again is

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Speaker 4: just a really good example of coaching and how you

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Speaker 4: set up plays. And this is Nixon an empty set.

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Speaker 4: So what is he looking at. He's looking at a

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Speaker 4: post safety case. He's a single high safety and what

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Speaker 4: does he see across the board? Looks like man to

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Speaker 4: man across the board. So what's the route concept here?

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Speaker 4: And it's a great route concept for this Look five verticals.

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Speaker 4: They're going to run five verticals. So the matchup we

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Speaker 4: want to focus on, of course, is quarterland Sutton versus

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Speaker 4: the corner that happens to be Dax Hill. So now

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Speaker 4: there's what you really want to do here is you

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Speaker 4: want to create distance between the post safety and the

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Speaker 4: corner that's playing Sutton. That's what you're trying to do.

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Speaker 4: So how do you do that? You do it with

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Speaker 4: your receiver, with Sutton, who will widen his vertical stem.

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Speaker 4: He wants to move the corner and expand the corner.

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Speaker 4: That's what he's trying to do. But then the other

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Speaker 4: part of this is going to be on bo Nix,

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Speaker 4: and we'll see that from the end zone. He's got

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Speaker 4: to control the safety because he's got to create the

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Speaker 4: passing window. And you can see it from this angle.

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Speaker 4: You'll see as he drops back that his head is

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Speaker 4: looking first to the left, then down the middle, and

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Speaker 4: you can see this safety subtly slide into the middle

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Speaker 4: of the field, so it creates distance to create the

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Speaker 4: passing window. These are the subtleties of playing quarterback in

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Speaker 4: the NFL that have to become second nature, because otherwise,

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Speaker 4: if you don't bring, if you don't control that safety,

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Speaker 4: he just slides right there and you don't have the throw.

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Speaker 4: These are the little things you learn and that becomes

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Speaker 4: sick in nature as you play the position at the

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Speaker 4: NFL level.

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Speaker 1: So good forty six years NFL Film, Greg cosel as Owas,

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Speaker 1: Thank you very much.

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Speaker 4: Thanks, Colin love it. Talk to you next week.

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Speaker 2: Be sure to catch live editions of The Herd weekdays

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Speaker 2: FS one and the iHeartRadio app.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, so you know, Jay Mack, I do Colin Wright

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Speaker 1: wrong in a Monday. But one of the things I

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Speaker 1: always try not to be. I try to be fair,

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Speaker 1: even though I'm critical. And sometimes people say, well, you

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Speaker 1: kind of pick on blankety blank, and you're always You're

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Speaker 1: always harsh. And I was thinking this morning, I tend

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Speaker 1: to be old school. I love to sit down and

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Speaker 1: write letters. I do it all the time. Not long letters,

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Speaker 1: but I like to write letters. I love the post office,

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Speaker 1: I love stamps, and so I thought, you know, I

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Speaker 1: just last night I sat down watching the Yankees and

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Speaker 1: Red Sox, and I some letters, and I'd like to

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Speaker 1: share them with the audience. Yes, cannot wait to hear people.

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Speaker 1: I've been a little critical of the first one I wrote.

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Speaker 1: I wrote to Aaron Rodgers and Aaron doesn't like me,

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Speaker 1: and that's okay. A lot of people don't like me.

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Speaker 1: But I wrote to Aaron and I said, listen, Dear

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Speaker 1: Aaron Rodgers, I was wrong to call you a snarky,

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Speaker 1: prickly weird uncle. You are a baller, not a Baylor

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Speaker 1: after all, my bad bro. You've been magnetic, energizing, and

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Speaker 1: resilient in Pittsburgh, the rare eccentric quarterback who was pointing

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Speaker 1: Steel City out of the darkness and in to the lights, yours, CC.

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Speaker 1: And then I wrote another letter to Daniel Jones, Dear

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Speaker 1: Danny Dimes, I said you were a bland, vanilla, unremarkable

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Speaker 1: turnover machine. I was wrong. You're a steady gritty You're bankable,

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Speaker 1: and now I'm coining you Danny dollars. After minting your

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Speaker 1: franchise valuable yours, CC, I wasn't done. I had to

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Speaker 1: get a new pan. I ran out of ink a

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Speaker 1: new pen, and I wrote another letter to Baker Mayfield.

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Speaker 1: Dear Baker, I once called you an immature, undraftable, two

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Speaker 1: time transfer, a frat guy in commercials. Well, it takes

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Speaker 1: a big man to admit when he's wrong. And I'm

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Speaker 1: six to two you are undeniable, a flag planting rebel,

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Speaker 1: a team captain of a pirate ship, the walk on

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Speaker 1: quarterback forcing foes to walk the plank. Yours CC. I

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Speaker 1: wrote some other stuff on the back of that, but

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Speaker 1: I'm not going to show you. Dan Campbell. I wrote

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Speaker 1: one to him too. My wife's from Michigan, so I

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Speaker 1: knew the zip code. Dear Dan Campbell, I laughed at

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Speaker 1: you as a too much raw raw kneecap biting meat head.

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Speaker 1: And it turns out chomping on knees is authentic and

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Speaker 1: strategic and culture correcting. With you at the helm, the

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Speaker 1: lions are never down, even when it's fourth, yours CC.

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Speaker 1: This one was tough. This last one I was pretty brutal.

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Speaker 1: I got to be on it. It was tough, and

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Speaker 1: I don't know the area code in Dallas zip code.

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Speaker 1: Excuse me? I wrote to Brian Schottenneimer. I said, dear Shoty,

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Speaker 1: I called the Cowboys a two win team after I

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Speaker 1: saw your backwards visor. It was a loss a lie.

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Speaker 1: Excuse me, it was a lie. You're a your two

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Speaker 1: losses in a tie, all right, that's being a smart ALEC.

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Speaker 1: It's all going to change. You're steady and adaptable. You're stabilizing.

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Speaker 1: I'm sorry, Coach Shottenneimer. You prove that a backwards visor

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Speaker 1: is just forward thinking yours, CC Cjmax. Sometimes you have

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Speaker 1: to sit down and be pensive, Yeah, poign and tell

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Speaker 1: these people listen. I know it's rough. Hopefully they open

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Speaker 1: their mail. A lot of people these days don't even

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Speaker 1: go to the mailbox.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, is this the new colin your Midwest sensibilities? You're

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Speaker 5: writing apology letters? And yeah for week five of the NFL.

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Speaker 5: By the way, Schottenheimer, you should have just torn that

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Speaker 5: one up. There's no way that they're doing anything with

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Speaker 5: that guy at the help, no shot and quickly on

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Speaker 5: Dan Campbell. He was a little goofy at the beginning,

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Speaker 5: remember he was he was. They've turned it around. We'll

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Speaker 5: see if it continues.

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Speaker 1: One of the people in the NFL that I've just

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Speaker 1: always respected their opinion was Bill Parcells. Parcells loved him,

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Speaker 1: and so I was like, come on, Bill, she she comes.

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Speaker 1: You know what I was told. I think I've told

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Speaker 1: this story a couple of times, so I'm sorry, but

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Speaker 1: most of you don't listen all day. So I was

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Speaker 1: told by a GM that I was in the off season.

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Speaker 1: I was asking him about hiring coaches and how hard

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Speaker 1: it is, like seven new guys every year. Five don't work,

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Speaker 1: you know, I mean Andy Reider, Jim Harbaugh or Sean Payton.

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Speaker 1: That's the easy stuff and a lot of times it

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Speaker 1: doesn't work. And he said, you know, you're really hiring

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Speaker 1: a CEO. He doesn't have to know schemes. If you

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Speaker 1: get Andy Reider Shanahan, that's a bonus. You don't need

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Speaker 1: a scheme guy. You need a man who can stand

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Speaker 1: in front of fifty five alphas and lead the team

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Speaker 1: over the hill. Create self belief because everybody's hurt week five.

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Speaker 1: Guys have to believe in each other. That's very much

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Speaker 1: Jim Harball. Harball loves his players, Swiss players will do

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Speaker 1: anything for him. And that's Dan Campbell. And then that's

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Speaker 1: what I've questioned with Mike McDaniel. I don't question the

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Speaker 1: intelligence he's he's a scheme guy. But you can make

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Speaker 1: it in this league being a culture creator and not

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Speaker 1: good with schemes, Well, I don't. You can't. It's yet

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Speaker 1: to be proven. If you can make it as a

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Speaker 1: great scheme guy, but your players don't really trust you.

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Speaker 1: Or believe in you. And Dan Campbell. I remember his

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Speaker 1: first year and a half they were bad and I

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Speaker 1: went on the air. I think they played Baltimore at home.

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Speaker 1: They lost, and I was like, I don't think I've

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Speaker 1: ever seen a team in the league play as hard

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Speaker 1: as they do. They're getting they're getting hammered. They don't

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Speaker 1: have personnel. So I think, you, if you're a great CEO,

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Speaker 1: you don't have to be anything in the scheme department.

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Speaker 1: If you're a great scheme guy, if you don't have

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Speaker 1: the ability. That was always the knock on Matt Lafleur.

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Speaker 1: Everybody knew he was a great scheme guy, but he

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Speaker 1: wasn't the guy who had ever stood in front of

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Speaker 1: the room. And he's not a real big brash guy

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Speaker 1: with a big ego. Now he's become very good at that.

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Speaker 1: But I remember talking to a GM. They say he's

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Speaker 1: super smart, but he doesn't have the McVeigh Like McVeigh

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Speaker 1: walks into a room and he's just like, wow, you know,

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Speaker 1: Map's kind of quiet, he doesn't need to talk a lot.

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Speaker 1: But he's developed into a great culture guy as well.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean, I mean, listen, it's tough because with Campbell. Yes,

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Speaker 5: I agree with everything you said one hundred percent. But Colin,

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Speaker 5: there's going to come a time when there's two minutes

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Speaker 5: left and it's twenty four all right, of the NFC

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Speaker 5: Championship game, and all that CEO stuff that Dan Campbell

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Speaker 5: brings to the table is not going to get you

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Speaker 5: over the top and get you.

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Speaker 2: To the end zone.

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Speaker 1: Right, You need the scheme.

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Speaker 5: So, like most things in life, it's a little fifty

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Speaker 5: to fifty, maybe sixty forty. You hire the scheme, right,

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Speaker 5: So Ben Johnson as the OC they take, they make

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Speaker 5: the jump to light speed. But early on in the

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Speaker 5: Dan Campbell era, they weren't great. They needed that scheme guy.

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Speaker 5: Now have they found him in whoever their OC is now,

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Speaker 5: Johnny Will We'll see. I mean, listen, the Bengals game

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Speaker 5: could be dangerous. I'm seeing injury report. I know you

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Speaker 5: don't like him. Lions could be down boat starting quarterbacks

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Speaker 5: Philadelphia and Jason Higgins. Philadelphia is a great example. Sirianni's

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Speaker 5: more ceo. He's not a scheme guy. So when he

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Speaker 5: had Stiking, Oh he look great. Yes, Steikan leaves, he's awful.

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Speaker 5: He hires Brian Johnson. It doesn't work. Then he hires

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Speaker 5: Kellen Moore, it works, Kellen Moore leaves, they've got a

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Speaker 5: new guy in now it's not working right.

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Speaker 1: So Sirianni has been incredibly dependent on Howie Roseman's drafting.

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Speaker 1: But he's been as good Nick Sirianni's an offensive guy.

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Speaker 1: He has been as good as his coordinators because he's

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Speaker 1: not a scheme guy. He's heavily relented. Now he's hired

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Speaker 1: a great one that he missed, and they hired a

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Speaker 1: better one. Has he missed. We don't know.

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Speaker 5: But it's tough. That's tough. It's like drafting. You don't

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Speaker 5: know what you're getting. Some of these ocs. Remember the

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Speaker 5: Houston Texans two years ago, thought they had their guy.

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Speaker 5: Awesome ocs like the Lorla fires Stroud, He's gone, we're slowing.

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Speaker 4: Now, what's he doing?

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Speaker 1: Half of these guys me? Did anybody ever think Tom

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Speaker 1: Coughlin would beat Brady and Belichick in two Super Bowls

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Speaker 1: when he was at Boston College? If he just don't

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Speaker 1: You don't know who you're hiring sometimes