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Speaker 1: Now here's a highlight from coast to coast AM on iHeartRadio.

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Speaker 2: Agynost is with us, the author of Spiritual Science, Higher

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Speaker 2: Consciousness Thinking and how to Access the Universal Consciousness, and

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Speaker 2: he's about to explain how we can perform astral projection.

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Speaker 2: First of all, when did you start doing this and

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Speaker 2: how did you discover that you could do it?

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Speaker 3: Oh, that's a long, long, long time ago. And you

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Speaker 3: know astill travel here's such. It's a concept that if

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Speaker 3: you talk to casually talk to people about this, you

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Speaker 3: know their eyes will glaze over. And those are the

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Speaker 3: ones that they never researched it, because there are millions

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Speaker 3: of people out there that have had a form of

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Speaker 3: outer body experience and they look, they turn and look

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Speaker 3: at themselves laying in the bed or sitting in the chair,

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Speaker 3: and they've wondered what happened. So it is a real

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Speaker 3: concept and it has been proven by experiments. One quick

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Speaker 3: experiment I want to take twenty seconds and explain, and

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Speaker 3: that is that there were two people, one of them

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Speaker 3: in one room and the other one in another room,

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Speaker 3: sitting there with a yellow pad on a pant, and

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Speaker 3: the one in the other room he lay down on

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Speaker 3: the couch, he left his body and she went through

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Speaker 3: the wall into the other room where that person had

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Speaker 3: written scenes on that yellow pad. The AFTRO Traveler looked

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Speaker 3: at it, went back to his body, and then he

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Speaker 3: walked around and came in and he told him what

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Speaker 3: he had seen and it matched. And the thing is

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Speaker 3: that we have a lot of researchers. The neegic sciences

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Speaker 3: have dealt with it quite a bit. Hot mass and

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Speaker 3: altitude that dealt with it, and they've proven it to

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Speaker 3: be real. It's that hard to learn how to do

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Speaker 3: if we we wonder about it. But I would say

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Speaker 3: that once you step out of the body, you are

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Speaker 3: stepping into an environment that you know nothing about. So

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Speaker 3: it really would be good to know the environment you

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Speaker 3: step into so you can understand what is there, because

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Speaker 3: there are other entities there, and because also I want

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Speaker 3: to learn how to do this. Nory Love and I

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Speaker 3: my co host on the show. We have a website

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Speaker 3: where we have some classes on there. As to travel

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Speaker 3: is one of them, and several other things.

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Speaker 2: And there's a story Oggie does it for most people though,

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Speaker 2: And I was earlier on the show when I was

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Speaker 2: introducing the topic, I mentioned that there was a survey

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Speaker 2: or a study. They concluded that anywhere between eight and

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Speaker 2: twenty percent of people report having some kind of out

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Speaker 2: of body experience or astral travel. So, for you, did

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Speaker 2: it start as something kind of unexpected and spontaneous and

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Speaker 2: then you learn gradually how to do it almost at

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Speaker 2: will or willfully or we always was it always kind

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Speaker 2: of in a control type situation.

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Speaker 3: No, there was no accident. I just wanted to do it,

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Speaker 3: so I just kind of read a little bit about it,

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Speaker 3: and I started practicing, and it took me a while.

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Speaker 3: I must have done it every day for at least

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Speaker 3: a month before I got out. And I got out

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Speaker 3: and I saw myself standing in the middle of the

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Speaker 3: room and I turned ound and looked at myself in

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Speaker 3: the bed, and it scared the daylight out of me,

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Speaker 3: because I, gee, did I die? And figured it out

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Speaker 3: that no, I didn't. I succeeded and it felt wonderful.

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Speaker 3: But I did not have any bad experiences out there.

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Speaker 3: And there is nothing out there that can get hurt

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Speaker 3: because there's nothing physical out there. So there are other

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Speaker 3: entities out there, do somebodied souls, spirits or of these things.

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Speaker 3: I don't know what to call them. Because they're more

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Speaker 3: like things and entities and some of them. If you

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Speaker 3: go out there with the fear in your mind, you're

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Speaker 3: going to attract these things. But leave them alone, try

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Speaker 3: not to communicate, and they will go away. So, but

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Speaker 3: you said teach people how to do it. That's let's

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Speaker 3: go through a little bit of an exercise of what

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Speaker 3: I do when I lay down. I first of all

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Speaker 3: have to calm my mine and I get rid of

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Speaker 3: all the thoughts that is disrupting my concentration of staying

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Speaker 3: in the body, and then let the mind drift off

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Speaker 3: into nothingness. And then just in my mind, I roll

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Speaker 3: room next to the bed, and that's how it begins.

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Speaker 3: And then you can select a destination by thinking about

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Speaker 3: that destination. Let's say I wanted to go to I

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Speaker 3: don't know. Let's say, well just visit someone. But you

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Speaker 3: should probably have probably have you know, decided beforehand so

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Speaker 3: you know you're welcome. But being able to do this

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Speaker 3: also have some responsibility with it. You don't want to

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Speaker 3: on them. That is not a good thing. It creates

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Speaker 3: a knowing that you did something wrong in your mind

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Speaker 3: and it can prevent you from getting out later on.

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Speaker 3: So there's some responsibility with this, a lot of responsibility actually.

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Speaker 2: But so, I mean, surely it can't be that simple

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Speaker 2: argue that you just you lay down, you relax, you

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Speaker 2: empty your mind. You imagine in your mind that you're

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Speaker 2: rolling out of bed, maybe walking across the room. You

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Speaker 2: turn around and there you are. I mean, is it

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Speaker 2: really that simple?

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Speaker 3: Well, it can be that simple. I do also some

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Speaker 3: breathing exercise. I take some deep breast and I hold

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Speaker 3: it and it sail slowly. And there's something like that.

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Speaker 3: You can read about it in the Book of Spiritual

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Speaker 3: Science also, And for people that want to learn this,

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Speaker 3: it is better to learn it from someone that can

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Speaker 3: also be Getting out of the body is not that hard.

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Speaker 3: You can do that, but once you're out there, you're

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Speaker 3: in that environment you don't know anything about. And that's

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Speaker 3: why it'd be good to learn from somebody that is

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Speaker 3: doing it.

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Speaker 2: So is it like baby steps where the first time

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Speaker 2: you get out of your body, you simply maybe walk

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Speaker 2: across the room, turn around and see catch a glimpse

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Speaker 2: of yourself, maybe sitting in a chair. The next time

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Speaker 2: maybe you float through the roof and you're looking down

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Speaker 2: over your house. The next time, you go a little

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Speaker 2: bit further, the next time, a little bit further still.

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Speaker 3: Absolutely, once you get out, just go through the house,

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Speaker 3: and you know, just make yourself familiar. It's going to

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Speaker 3: look a little bit odd to you, because this is

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Speaker 3: something that very few of the after traveler talk about.

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Speaker 3: But everything is backwards, just like you look in a mirror,

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Speaker 3: because now you're out of the box looking into the box.

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Speaker 3: So you'll know when somebody is doing the real thing,

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Speaker 3: because then they'll see that everything is partwards. And you

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Speaker 3: can go through the roof, go up, go up one

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Speaker 3: see your house, your neighbor's house, and you look around,

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Speaker 3: or you can in the daytime, you can get down

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Speaker 3: notice that nobody sees you. Right if you are going

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Speaker 3: through your house on a rare occasion, don't be surprised

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Speaker 3: if you find people are living there with you. They

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Speaker 3: may be entities living in your house like you, and

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Speaker 3: your physical body will not be able to see. But

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Speaker 3: now out of the body, you can see them, and

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Speaker 2: When you are out of the body. Can you interact

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Speaker 2: with your environment? Can you pick up something? Open the door?

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Speaker 3: Well, you can try, but for the most I would

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Speaker 3: say good luck with that. But there is one thing

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Speaker 3: that actually both spirits and astra travelers are really good at,

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Speaker 3: and that is electronics you can buy. Putting your hand,

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Speaker 3: let's say, on a radio that is on, it can

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Speaker 3: things with electricity that they seem to be I've never

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Speaker 3: really done much with that, but they can't do things

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Speaker 2: How long can you stay out of the body? Is

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Speaker 3: No? I don't know about time limits, but there may be.

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Speaker 3: See when we talk about astro travel, there used a

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Speaker 3: the pure astral vehicle leaving the body, and that is

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Speaker 3: connected to the body with a thin, silvery cord and

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Speaker 3: physical body. And then again you can find yourself outside

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Speaker 3: That's not an astral journey. That is a conscious journey,

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Speaker 3: or some call it soul travel and that soul or

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Speaker 3: the consciousness had no distance limitations. You could go to

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Speaker 3: another planet, but the aftral vehicle is attached to the

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Speaker 3: body with the thin chord. You you go far away,

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Speaker 3: you may right now of astral substance in that chord,

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Speaker 3: and if you run out, you will snap back into

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Speaker 3: your body, and that can hurt. If you're coming from

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Speaker 3: there is thinking on it right now. I want to

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Speaker 3: go to the Moon and see what's.

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Speaker 2: There right right the dark side of the moon.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, you can, actually you can, but there is things

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Speaker 3: bottom of that crater. It is schwastika shaped, just like

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Speaker 3: the German schwastika. That is where the old German. I

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Speaker 3: They have a base there.

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Speaker 3: They fell in love with that building and start rebuilding

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Speaker 3: it because it's very old and applicated when they found it.

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Speaker 3: But that's on the base and they have somehow they

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Speaker 3: have someone there that can see us, the travelers, and

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Speaker 3: they come and turn your way, same as they do

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Speaker 3: if you try to get into the White House, you

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Speaker 3: also get turned away. Same thing with the Pentagon. Don't

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Speaker 3: going to come and turn you away. I tried that

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Speaker 2: How often do you ask you'll travel?

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Speaker 3: Well? I got to be honest about this. Lately, I

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Speaker 3: haven't done much with it. But there's something that you

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Speaker 3: if it's just a little bit, just do it. And

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Speaker 3: I think it's probably I don't know, it could be

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Speaker 3: three weeks ago now since last time I did it.

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Speaker 3: But is this something that once you learn how to

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Speaker 3: do it, it's kind of like joining a bike, you'll

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Speaker 3: never forget how to do it when.

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Speaker 2: You're outside of your body, when you ask to project

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Speaker 2: what is going on with your physical body? Are you conscious?

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Speaker 2: Are you aware?

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Speaker 3: The physic about it is just laying there asleep, kind

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Speaker 3: of like in a dorm state, and when you come back,

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Speaker 3: something happens and the body wakes up.

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Speaker 2: And is it all similar to remote viewing?

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Speaker 3: No? I think remote viewing is different because well then

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Speaker 3: again there is Tom don't go over in Cottonwood, Arizona.

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Speaker 3: He his remote viewing is that he actually go on sight,

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Speaker 3: So for him it probably would be very much the same.

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Speaker 3: But normally remote viewing as we know it, and you're taught,

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Speaker 3: even know what is, and then we start making sketches

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Speaker 3: and we come up with what it is. That is

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Speaker 3: with that remote viewing, you tap into the unified field

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Speaker 3: where every past person in future is and you get

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Speaker 3: images from it that you make the drawings from.

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