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Speaker 1: Hi, Gain everybody. I'm Dan Horde and thanks for downloading

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Speaker 1: The Bengals Booth Podcast. The All I Want for Christmas addition,

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Speaker 1: as the Bengals look to extend their winning streak to

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Speaker 1: seven and remain alone in first place in the AFC

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Speaker 1: North with a Christmas Eve victory in New England. Coming up,

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Speaker 1: I'll talk to Joe Mixon about how our running back's

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Speaker 1: body feels in Game fifteen and about his friendship with

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Speaker 1: samaj p Ryan. NFL insider Tom Pellicero from the NFL

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Speaker 1: Network joins me to discuss where the Bengals stand with

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Speaker 1: the playoffs approaching, and this week's Know the Faux segment,

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Speaker 1: we'll spend a few minutes with the voice of the

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Speaker 1: New England Patriots, Bob Socie. The Bengals Booth Podcast is

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Speaker 1: anybody that delivers packages. My Christmas shopping started on Monday, Yes,

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Speaker 1: this Monday, as in December nineteenth. Between the Bengals, you

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Speaker 1: see football and you see basketball. It's an especially busy

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Speaker 1: time of the year and it's difficult to go shopping. Thankfully,

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Speaker 1: between the Internet and the various delivery options, the gifts

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Speaker 1: will be under the tree in time. It brings to

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Speaker 1: mind the old Postal creed. Neither snow nor rain, nor heat,

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Speaker 1: nor gloom of night, nor broadcasters who put off their

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Speaker 1: shopping until the last minute stays these couriers from the

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Speaker 1: swift completion of their appointed rounds now. Let's look ahead

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Speaker 1: to Sunday's game between the ten and four Bengals and

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Speaker 1: the seven seven Patriots. Cincinnati's offense is cooking. The Bengals

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Speaker 1: are tied for fifth in the league and scoring at

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Speaker 1: New England defense that's tied for seventh in fewest points

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Speaker 1: allowed at nineteen point four. This week, I caught up

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Speaker 1: with Joe Mixon, who leads the team with one thousand

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Speaker 1: and seventy nine yards from scrimmage. Jars speaking to Mike

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Speaker 1: Brown the other day, and he brought up his respect

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Speaker 1: for running backs. He pointed out that you guys get

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Speaker 1: hit by multiple people about every time he carry the

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Speaker 1: ball and bounce up like it's nothing. Here's my question,

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Speaker 1: how do you feel the day after? I mean, it's

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Speaker 1: not too bad as bad as people think, you know,

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Speaker 1: especially being used to that type of pounding. I mean,

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Speaker 1: that's pretty much why are we train the way we

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Speaker 1: do specifically in the offseason. I mean, is definitely not

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Speaker 1: But it can take a toll on you depending on

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Speaker 1: what type of hits you take. You've been known to

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Speaker 1: deliver the punishment as much as take it. Can you

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Speaker 1: tell when a guy doesn't want to tackle you anymore? Yeah,

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Speaker 1: pretty much. I mean you just see they start really

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Speaker 1: of the time, with the space and opportunity at that point,

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Speaker 1: sit there and hit you up top. I know you

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Speaker 1: hate to miss games. You recently had to miss about

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Speaker 1: two and a half games in retrospect, which is a

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Speaker 1: good thing to get a break at this time of

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Speaker 1: a recruiting trip NFL teammates now for several years. Do

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Speaker 1: you remember your first impressions of some ij when you

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Speaker 1: mean you have to go with Matt judonh He's been

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Speaker 1: there and win him. Always great to spend a few

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Speaker 1: minutes with you. Merry Christmas, Happy Holidays, best of luck

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Speaker 1: the rest of the way, Yes Sah saying to you

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Speaker 1: not have Sam Hubbard this week. He injured his left

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Speaker 1: of credit for what's happened in Cincinnati. But you know,

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Speaker 1: lu on A. Rumo has done that too. I mean,

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Speaker 1: he's been a big part of what they're building again

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Speaker 1: with a bunch of guys who if you asked the

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Speaker 1: average fan, even if it's a fan elsewhere in the

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Speaker 1: AFC North, the name as many Bengals defensive players as

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Speaker 1: you can. I don't know that you have people get

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Speaker 1: very far past Jesse Bates and maybe Trey Hendrickson and

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Speaker 1: then just go, I don't know who these guys are.

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Speaker 1: They've got good players. But you know the way that

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Speaker 1: Louis brought that group together, the way that he varies

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Speaker 1: the game plan from week to week, the way he

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Speaker 1: challenges different styles of quarterbacks, you know, and again the

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Speaker 1: way that he's set that culture. Those should all be positives.

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Speaker 1: He's going to need a plan for what he does

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Speaker 1: with the offense. About fully anticipated. We'll have that. So

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Speaker 1: last week was insane in the NFL. The Bengals rally

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Speaker 1: from seventeen rally from seventeen down against Tom Brady, and

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Speaker 1: that's like fifth on the list of wild things that happened.

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Speaker 1: You were at the craziest game of all thirty three

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Speaker 1: nothing at halftime, the Colts lead the Vikings, and Minnesota

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Speaker 1: comes back to win in overtime. Describe what it was

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Speaker 1: like to be in the stadium as that comeback happened.

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Speaker 1: You know, I was the sideline reporter a NFL network

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Speaker 1: for that game, and you kind of go in in

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Speaker 1: those situations with a bunch of stories you want to

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Speaker 1: tell and the things that I was on the Viking sideline,

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Speaker 1: Lindsay Zarniak was on the Colts sideline, different things you

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Speaker 1: want to tell about how they game plan through the week, adjustments,

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Speaker 1: They're making fun little stories some of the players have

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Speaker 1: told you, and then all of a sudden, the Vikings

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Speaker 1: are just getting their doors blown offense, like, well, everything

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Speaker 1: on my notepad, this is all out. I'm not gonna

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Speaker 1: able to talk about any of this. Thirty three to nothing.

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Speaker 1: At halftime, I go back to our green room just

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Speaker 1: to eat something quickly. I'm going, I can't believe that

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Speaker 1: this is this bad out of a game. Then you'd

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Speaker 1: come out and it's just completely the opposite. A lot

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Speaker 1: of things went wrong. You know, it doesn't a matter

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Speaker 1: of the Vikings were being physically manhandled or anything. In

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Speaker 1: the first half. It was just you know, Dalvin Cook

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Speaker 1: gave up long returns. They obviously had to pick six

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Speaker 1: in there, and they had a defensive touchdown overturned because

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Speaker 1: of forward progress had been called, so you know, thirty

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Speaker 1: three to nothing. Kirk Cousins told me later that Patrick

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Speaker 1: Peterson told him in the locker room, you know, all

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Speaker 1: we need is five touchdowns, and Kirk said, I thought

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Speaker 1: he was being sarcastic. But they come out, they score

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Speaker 1: early in the second half. Then they cut it. It It was,

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Speaker 1: I believe thirty six to fourteen in the third quarter,

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Speaker 1: and I turned to Scotland he who was my spotter,

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Speaker 1: and just said, they're gonna win this game. He's like,

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Speaker 1: what I'm like, just look at the energy. You could

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Speaker 1: feel it in the stadium. You could see it on

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Speaker 1: the Colts players. You can see it on the Vikings sideline. Though,

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Speaker 1: there was frustration and there were some players who were

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Speaker 1: not happy at various points because it wasn't like they

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Speaker 1: played a perfect second half. I mean, they did give

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Speaker 1: the ball, you know, had to pump the ball back

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Speaker 1: a couple of times and got stopped a couple of times.

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Speaker 1: But you could just see they had a path forward there,

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Speaker 1: and sure enough, it gets closer and closer ends up

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Speaker 1: being the greatest or the biggest comeback in NFL history.

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Speaker 1: I've never seen anything like it. You know, talking to

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Speaker 1: Kirk after the game and I was telling him and

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Speaker 1: he was learning in real time from me. It's like

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Speaker 1: in NFL history. In NFL history, Okay, I need a second.

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Speaker 1: It was a special, cool thing to be a part of,

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Speaker 1: especially when you know you look around the stadium where

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Speaker 1: it had been completely dead. I think the biggest cheer

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Speaker 1: in the first two hours there was the Mascots versus

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Speaker 1: fifth graders game that they had on the field, and

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Speaker 1: then you're watching it. I thought it might be half

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Speaker 1: empty because the game was so bad, but you look

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Speaker 1: up there and the whole crowd was doing the skull

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Speaker 1: chant when they got it down to one score, and

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Speaker 1: it is just rocking in there, and you watch the

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Speaker 1: sideline and you could see it in Guy's eyes. It

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Speaker 1: was just really cool to have that up close view.

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Speaker 1: And I don't know that I'll ever see a game

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Speaker 1: quite like that. Again. It's the Bengals and Patriots Saturday,

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Speaker 1: Christmas Eve. The Bengals try to stay on the hunt

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Speaker 1: for the number one playoff seed in the AFC. What

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Speaker 1: are a couple of keys to the matchup this Saturday

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Speaker 1: in Foxborough. Well, in my mind, it's just don't let

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Speaker 1: Romandra Stevenson get going. We've seen that he's the he's

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Speaker 1: the guy who can make things happen in that Patriots offense.

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Speaker 1: There's obviously a lot of frustration right now in the

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Speaker 1: passing game. They rely heavily on the you know, the

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Speaker 1: quick game and you know short passes and Mac Jones

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Speaker 1: if you're an amateur lip readers expressed from frustration about

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Speaker 1: that at times. But they're not a team that's going

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Speaker 1: to threaten you a whole bunch vertically. So I would

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Speaker 1: I would anticipate and lose a lot smarter than I am,

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Speaker 1: but I would anticipate you're loading up and just making

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Speaker 1: sure don't let the run game beat you, let Mac

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Speaker 1: Jones try to beat you going over the top. And

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Speaker 1: then on the flip side of that, this is a really,

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Speaker 1: really good Patriots defense. I don't know, I haven't looked

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Speaker 1: at the rankings for Week fifteen, but they're one of

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Speaker 1: the top ranked defenses in the NFL. You're just gonna

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Speaker 1: need to let your best players be the best players.

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Speaker 1: Bill Belichick. Always in every game plan, it always starts

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Speaker 1: with how do we keep their best player from being

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Speaker 1: the one who beats us? Mate, we're gonna make you

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Speaker 1: win left handed. Well. Luckily for the Bengals, they've got

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Speaker 1: so many different playmakers, you know, not just Mar Chase,

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Speaker 1: Pete Higgins and Tyler Boyd and I don't know if

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Speaker 1: kaiden Hurst's back or not, but Joe Mixon. There's a

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Speaker 1: lot of different things that they can do. So it's

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Speaker 1: going to be one of those games where you use

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Speaker 1: the cliche, you know, take what the defense gives you.

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Speaker 1: I would anticipate, you know, between Zach and Brian Callahan,

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Speaker 1: they're going to be looking at this. How are the

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Speaker 1: Bengals going to play us? I would think they're gonna

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Speaker 1: play to not let Jamar Chase beat you. Maybe it's

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Speaker 1: a big Joe Mixon bay. We'll see how it plays

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Speaker 1: out coming up this weekend. Tom. I know your schedule

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Speaker 1: is crazy. I really appreciate you doing this. Happy holidays

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Speaker 1: and thanks for the time you gotta thank you. The

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Speaker 1: Visit Kettering health dot org to learn more. Last week,

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Speaker 1: the Bengals beat Brady. This week they'll try to eat Belichick.

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Speaker 1: Bill's all time record against Cincinnati is sixteen and four,

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Speaker 1: and believe it or not, his record against the Bengals

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Speaker 1: his identical. At his two coaching stops, he was eight

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Speaker 1: and two as the head coach of the Browns, and

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Speaker 1: he's eight and two his head coach of the Patriots.

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Speaker 1: But this year's team, for lack of a better term,

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Speaker 1: does not look belichick Ian. The Patriots have made an

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Speaker 1: unusually high number of mistakes, culminating with the final play

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Speaker 1: of last week's game at Las Vegas. Now at a

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Speaker 1: third and ten three seconds left, Jones will give it

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Speaker 1: to Steven Sandy started rod. He runs it up the middle,

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Speaker 1: hit by Chandler Jones, slips and head across the forty

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Speaker 1: five for the stiff arm off a tackle on the forty.

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Speaker 1: He lost the football and Jacoby Byers picks it up.

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Speaker 1: He circles back and he throws it across the field trickle,

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Speaker 1: Oh my god, just picked up by Chanler Jones. He

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Speaker 1: breaks away to the thirty, He runs to the twenty.

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Speaker 1: He runs to the ten he one to the end

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Speaker 1: zone three touchdowns raters tonight. This might be one of

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Speaker 1: the dumbest teams I've ever seen. And of victory for

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Speaker 1: Las Vegas. That outstanding play by play call on the

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Speaker 1: Patriots Radio network was courtesy of my longtime friend Bob Socy.

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Speaker 1: We are both former announcers for the Patucket Red Sox

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Speaker 1: Minor League baseball team, and I caught up with Bob

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Speaker 1: this week in our know the faux segment, Bob. Last

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Speaker 1: week's loss was obviously an all timer. I'm sure fans

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Speaker 1: and media have been playing the blame game ever since.

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Speaker 1: Who has been the primary target of their ire Well,

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Speaker 1: you know, Dan, you might think it would be the

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Speaker 1: two players who lateral on the last possession, Ramadre Stevenson

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Speaker 1: and Jacobe Myers. But I think and it's not just

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Speaker 1: that particular game that's led to I think the criticism

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Speaker 1: for the coaching staff and in particular head coach Bill Belichick.

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Speaker 1: But I think it's you know all, it's something that

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Speaker 1: dates back to the summer and the decision after Josh

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Speaker 1: McDaniels was hired to be the head coach of the

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Speaker 1: Las Vegas Raiders, replacing the offensive staff essentially with Matt

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Speaker 1: Patricia and Joe Judge, a former defensive coordinator and special

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Speaker 1: teams coordinator for the Patriots, of course, both of whom

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Speaker 1: were back in New England. Has failed head coaches and

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Speaker 1: it has been topic a from spring through summer and

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Speaker 1: now as we approach winter, and last week's game was

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Speaker 1: really one that I think pointed out not only you know,

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Speaker 1: the problems of Patriots have faced as a team of late,

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Speaker 1: but really all year long in terms of coaching situational football,

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Speaker 1: the kind of procedural mistakes they've made, the mental errors

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Speaker 1: that are uncharacteristic of what we have become accustomed to

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Speaker 1: with Bill Belichick. So, you know, to try to make

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Speaker 1: sense of something that's almost inexplicable, people say, you know,

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Speaker 1: it falls on the head coach, and that's where the

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Speaker 1: criticism has and directed, and it has been swelling, and

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Speaker 1: it's been consistent of late, especially as you know, as

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Speaker 1: harsh as the Boston media can be on sports radio

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Speaker 1: here locally, help us understand why Bill Belichick would choose

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Speaker 1: Matt Patricia and Joe Judge to run the offense, considering

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Speaker 1: their backgrounds were not on the offensive side of the ball.

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Speaker 1: You know, it goes back I think to Bill's days

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Speaker 1: in Cleveland. When you look back at his early career

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Speaker 1: with the Browns, he had a similar offensive coordination by

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Speaker 1: committee elliott I believe it was Gary Tranquil who was

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Speaker 1: the offensive coinator entitled, but it was really a buy

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Speaker 1: committee approach to calling plays and Bill had a strong

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Speaker 1: had him, had a strong voice in making the play calls.

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Speaker 1: And it was a system that for you know, for

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Speaker 1: all intensive purposes failed. It was an offense that was

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Speaker 1: really one of the worst in the league. And over

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Speaker 1: the course of time, as Bill hired Charlie Wise and

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Speaker 1: Josh McDaniel's. Bill O'Brien of course, was here in between

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Speaker 1: McDaniel's two stints, the offense was kind of its own entity,

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Speaker 1: and it had developed under McDaniels to become his offense

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Speaker 1: and Tom Brady's offense. And I think Bill looked at

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Speaker 1: things in a couple of different ways what he wanted

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Speaker 1: to streamline what was a very complicated system for newcomers

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Speaker 1: to pick up rookies, veteran free agents, trade acquisitions. It's

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Speaker 1: been well known, well established, in no better example than

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Speaker 1: Chadojo Sinko, for example, the former Bengal who came to

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Speaker 1: New England and never really adapted to the Patriot offensive scheme.

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Speaker 1: It's been an offense that was very complex and very

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Speaker 1: difficult to adjust to for a lot of players, again,

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Speaker 1: whether novices in the NFL or veterans. So Bill wanted

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Speaker 1: to condense things. He wanted to streamline it, make it

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Speaker 1: more simplified. And then on the other hand, he'd been

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Speaker 1: losing this succession of young offensive minds to other jobs.

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Speaker 1: You know, you look at the Patriots coaching staff in

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Speaker 1: recent years, I mean as recently as the last Super

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Speaker 1: Bowl champion in two and eighteen, and then compare it

643
00:31:59,520 --> 00:32:01,040
Speaker 1: to today or even if you want to take this

644
00:32:01,080 --> 00:32:03,520
Speaker 1: step or two further back in time, he had Brian

645
00:32:03,600 --> 00:32:06,400
Speaker 1: Dable on the same staff as Josh McDaniels on the

646
00:32:06,440 --> 00:32:09,760
Speaker 1: two thousand and sixteen Patriots that won Super Bowl fifty one,

647
00:32:09,840 --> 00:32:12,760
Speaker 1: and now Dabile of course, after a great stint in

648
00:32:12,880 --> 00:32:14,760
Speaker 1: Buffalo as the head coach of the New York Giants.

649
00:32:14,840 --> 00:32:17,080
Speaker 1: So there's some thought that Bill wanted to kind of

650
00:32:17,200 --> 00:32:20,760
Speaker 1: guard against, you know, that next young offensive bright mind

651
00:32:20,880 --> 00:32:25,800
Speaker 1: moving on. It maintained some continuity in that he's got

652
00:32:25,880 --> 00:32:28,800
Speaker 1: these long time lieutenants, guys that are very loyal to

653
00:32:28,960 --> 00:32:32,120
Speaker 1: him on the staff calling offense. But of course, at

654
00:32:32,160 --> 00:32:36,440
Speaker 1: the same time, you know, there's this disconnect, and you know,

655
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Speaker 1: for a lot of people, it's a mind boggling, you know, situation,

656
00:32:40,280 --> 00:32:42,960
Speaker 1: and it's been that way since day one. So, you know,

657
00:32:43,040 --> 00:32:45,520
Speaker 1: I think that Bill also believes that a good football

658
00:32:45,520 --> 00:32:48,200
Speaker 1: coach is a good football coach, and Bill has had

659
00:32:48,200 --> 00:32:49,560
Speaker 1: a strong say. You could see it in the goal

660
00:32:49,560 --> 00:32:51,760
Speaker 1: line situation last week we're leading the game against Las Vegas.

661
00:32:51,840 --> 00:32:54,400
Speaker 1: Bill still has a say. Now the offense is run,

662
00:32:54,480 --> 00:32:56,720
Speaker 1: and we've seen him more involved with the offense going

663
00:32:56,800 --> 00:32:59,240
Speaker 1: back to training camp this year compared to years past

664
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Speaker 1: when he would be more involved on the defensive side.

665
00:33:02,640 --> 00:33:05,280
Speaker 1: During training camp. We're chatting in the voice of the

666
00:33:05,320 --> 00:33:08,840
Speaker 1: Patriots Bob soci mac Jones had a tremendous rookie year.

667
00:33:08,920 --> 00:33:11,000
Speaker 1: He took the Patriots to the playoffs. He led him

668
00:33:11,000 --> 00:33:13,400
Speaker 1: to ten wins, he earned a Pro Bowl nod. It

669
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Speaker 1: obviously has not gone as well this year. What have

670
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Speaker 1: been his biggest issues, you know, Dan, I think it

671
00:33:19,720 --> 00:33:21,880
Speaker 1: starts with what we're talking about with regards to the

672
00:33:21,920 --> 00:33:25,840
Speaker 1: Patriots staff. A lack of trust dissonance from the start.

673
00:33:26,200 --> 00:33:29,560
Speaker 1: There had been frankly, you know, especially in New England circles,

674
00:33:29,880 --> 00:33:33,960
Speaker 1: and kind of shocking statements sometimes veiled references to the

675
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Speaker 1: offense or the lack of input from the quarterback and

676
00:33:38,360 --> 00:33:41,040
Speaker 1: the players back in the summer, and it's continued during

677
00:33:41,080 --> 00:33:43,280
Speaker 1: the course of the season. You've seen his frustrations, his

678
00:33:43,440 --> 00:33:45,920
Speaker 1: body language the last few weeks as you've watched the

679
00:33:46,000 --> 00:33:49,160
Speaker 1: Patriots even casually let h one closely, and it's been

680
00:33:49,160 --> 00:33:51,800
Speaker 1: a bad situation. He has regressed, and I think what's

681
00:33:52,000 --> 00:33:56,680
Speaker 1: transpired is that, you know, early on, a lot of

682
00:33:56,800 --> 00:34:03,120
Speaker 1: Mac's strengths were diminished, his his capacity to process his

683
00:34:03,320 --> 00:34:06,920
Speaker 1: intelligence because with the simplified system, a lot was taken

684
00:34:06,920 --> 00:34:11,120
Speaker 1: out of his hands, and rather than advancing progressing the offense,

685
00:34:11,640 --> 00:34:14,160
Speaker 1: they kind of scaled it back. They were a conservative

686
00:34:14,239 --> 00:34:16,640
Speaker 1: last year under McDaniels. They really took him along slowly.

687
00:34:17,120 --> 00:34:19,880
Speaker 1: But then as the season got started this year and

688
00:34:20,000 --> 00:34:22,600
Speaker 1: rather than going forward and building on that, they went

689
00:34:22,680 --> 00:34:25,200
Speaker 1: backwards in his sentence, and then he started to play

690
00:34:25,239 --> 00:34:27,480
Speaker 1: poorly and turned the ball over a lot. They also,

691
00:34:27,800 --> 00:34:31,320
Speaker 1: at the same time, while they wanted to simplify and

692
00:34:32,160 --> 00:34:35,160
Speaker 1: you reduce the playbook. They wanted to have more of

693
00:34:35,239 --> 00:34:40,640
Speaker 1: a downfield threat, and they wanted more production on deep throws.

694
00:34:41,160 --> 00:34:43,640
Speaker 1: And so, you know, an offense that had long been

695
00:34:43,680 --> 00:34:46,400
Speaker 1: predicated on taking what the defense gave them, you know,

696
00:34:47,080 --> 00:34:50,960
Speaker 1: death by a million paper cuts, danking doink in the

697
00:34:51,000 --> 00:34:53,680
Speaker 1: middle of the field between the hash marks, did Julian Edelman,

698
00:34:53,719 --> 00:34:56,800
Speaker 1: West Welker, etc. Now they throwing the ball downfield. For

699
00:34:56,840 --> 00:34:59,520
Speaker 1: those fifty fifty balls to Davante Parker and what he

700
00:34:59,600 --> 00:35:01,960
Speaker 1: said going to be eighty twenty balls in his favor

701
00:35:03,640 --> 00:35:07,040
Speaker 1: have been more like twenty eighty if that, and you know,

702
00:35:07,120 --> 00:35:10,320
Speaker 1: tilting towards the defense, and that I think just started

703
00:35:10,400 --> 00:35:14,479
Speaker 1: a spiral effect. Max mechanics got out of whack mind games.

704
00:35:14,560 --> 00:35:16,800
Speaker 1: He gets hurt against the Ravens, even playing well in

705
00:35:16,880 --> 00:35:19,759
Speaker 1: that game, and then turn the ball over several times later.

706
00:35:19,840 --> 00:35:22,560
Speaker 1: He gets hit on the final pass attempt of the

707
00:35:22,600 --> 00:35:24,920
Speaker 1: game for the Patriots class Campbell comes down on his

708
00:35:25,040 --> 00:35:27,960
Speaker 1: legs high ankle sprain. There's a lot of back and

709
00:35:28,080 --> 00:35:32,360
Speaker 1: forth behind the scenes between difference of opinion his camp,

710
00:35:32,640 --> 00:35:35,319
Speaker 1: so to speak, and the coaches with the Patriots wanted

711
00:35:35,360 --> 00:35:40,239
Speaker 1: as an organization comes back starts against the Bears, it's awful. Bailey.

712
00:35:40,320 --> 00:35:42,520
Speaker 1: Zappy had started for the Patriots one back to back games,

713
00:35:42,560 --> 00:35:45,600
Speaker 1: one road, one home, and Mac Jones takes the field

714
00:35:45,600 --> 00:35:49,160
Speaker 1: against the Bears, struggle, stows an interception, and he exits

715
00:35:49,239 --> 00:35:54,040
Speaker 1: to fans chanting Zap Zappy, And it's just it's they've

716
00:35:54,160 --> 00:35:57,160
Speaker 1: never been able to get on the same page. They've

717
00:35:57,200 --> 00:36:00,719
Speaker 1: never been able to kind of regroup in his and

718
00:36:01,280 --> 00:36:06,040
Speaker 1: collect themselves and move forward. Since Zappy played well in

719
00:36:06,200 --> 00:36:09,520
Speaker 1: those two games, is there much talk about let's give

720
00:36:09,640 --> 00:36:12,600
Speaker 1: Mac a break, puts Bailey back in there and let

721
00:36:12,680 --> 00:36:16,160
Speaker 1: him reset, anything along those lines. Oh, yeah, there's there.

722
00:36:16,200 --> 00:36:18,400
Speaker 1: There is quite a bit. I think it's interesting in

723
00:36:18,600 --> 00:36:21,840
Speaker 1: the consensus on Mac Jones as the future of the Patriots.

724
00:36:22,160 --> 00:36:24,880
Speaker 1: I think last year there were some detractors, but overall,

725
00:36:24,920 --> 00:36:30,000
Speaker 1: I think the consensus was a whole promising quarterback. This

726
00:36:30,160 --> 00:36:32,480
Speaker 1: could be your franchise quarterback. Someone would go so far

727
00:36:32,520 --> 00:36:35,120
Speaker 1: as stay quarterback for the next ten years or cbs,

728
00:36:35,160 --> 00:36:38,320
Speaker 1: as Charles Davis say that on a telecast early this season.

729
00:36:38,600 --> 00:36:41,239
Speaker 1: And after the offense struggles, Smack turns the ball over

730
00:36:41,320 --> 00:36:44,840
Speaker 1: and Zappy comes in and in an even more simplified attack,

731
00:36:45,000 --> 00:36:47,480
Speaker 1: frankly against two beat up defenses at the time, and

732
00:36:47,760 --> 00:36:49,680
Speaker 1: the lines were the worst defense. But they were also

733
00:36:49,760 --> 00:36:52,640
Speaker 1: down several players in their secondary. And they go to

734
00:36:52,719 --> 00:36:56,400
Speaker 1: Cleveland and the Browns were without Denzel Warden, jadeveon Cloudy

735
00:36:56,760 --> 00:37:00,719
Speaker 1: and Zappy plays well. Taking nothing away from him. There's

736
00:37:00,760 --> 00:37:04,000
Speaker 1: an innocence about him. Kid who played at a small school,

737
00:37:04,080 --> 00:37:07,959
Speaker 1: Houston Baptist and then one year at Western Kentucky, wide eyed,

738
00:37:08,080 --> 00:37:12,319
Speaker 1: big smile, you know, shorter than your average NFL quarterback,

739
00:37:12,920 --> 00:37:14,960
Speaker 1: and he comes in and he plays great. After this

740
00:37:15,120 --> 00:37:18,480
Speaker 1: kid from Alabama who in the offseason started to make

741
00:37:18,520 --> 00:37:21,680
Speaker 1: a lot more appearances and started showing up on your

742
00:37:21,719 --> 00:37:25,040
Speaker 1: television a lot more. And you know, you go back

743
00:37:25,080 --> 00:37:28,479
Speaker 1: to the discord that was evident in the summer. People

744
00:37:28,520 --> 00:37:32,240
Speaker 1: started to sour on Mac frankly, particularly in the media

745
00:37:32,400 --> 00:37:36,720
Speaker 1: here and in Boston. Once the conversation starts, particularly between

746
00:37:36,719 --> 00:37:39,400
Speaker 1: the hours of two and six at the least station

747
00:37:39,520 --> 00:37:42,040
Speaker 1: in town, you know, everybody takes their keys from that.

748
00:37:42,600 --> 00:37:44,200
Speaker 1: And so when Zappy comes in, he plays well. Then

749
00:37:44,239 --> 00:37:47,280
Speaker 1: Mac comes comes back from his injury, you know, turns

750
00:37:47,280 --> 00:37:50,960
Speaker 1: it over against the Bears. You know, the chance get louder.

751
00:37:51,280 --> 00:37:53,360
Speaker 1: I think Belichick a couple of weeks later kind of

752
00:37:53,440 --> 00:37:56,640
Speaker 1: quieted the talk. Mac played better, the Patriots won some games,

753
00:37:57,239 --> 00:37:59,960
Speaker 1: but now there's I think a lot more conjecture again,

754
00:38:00,120 --> 00:38:02,640
Speaker 1: end should they turn to Zappi? I think people have

755
00:38:02,719 --> 00:38:06,960
Speaker 1: watched Max's demonstrative nature on the field, and we're as

756
00:38:07,120 --> 00:38:10,200
Speaker 1: I think there was a sympathetic audience for him Dan frankly,

757
00:38:10,239 --> 00:38:17,000
Speaker 1: because people recognize, you know, the false in the whole approach,

758
00:38:17,120 --> 00:38:21,040
Speaker 1: the whole operation of the offense. Now they're saying, and

759
00:38:21,680 --> 00:38:23,840
Speaker 1: I'm kind of subscribe to this as well. Look, you

760
00:38:23,920 --> 00:38:26,160
Speaker 1: got to go out and play and enough. You can't

761
00:38:26,200 --> 00:38:30,839
Speaker 1: show up your coaches, You can't constantly gesticulate on the field.

762
00:38:30,880 --> 00:38:33,320
Speaker 1: The way he has been of late has become more noticeable.

763
00:38:33,400 --> 00:38:36,440
Speaker 1: Certainly the cameras around him all the time. We're chatting

764
00:38:36,480 --> 00:38:38,760
Speaker 1: with the voice of the Patriots, Bob Socie. I'll admit

765
00:38:39,080 --> 00:38:41,480
Speaker 1: I didn't know that much about second year running back.

766
00:38:41,480 --> 00:38:44,840
Speaker 1: Remind Gray Stevenson. He's closing in a thousand yards, he

767
00:38:44,960 --> 00:38:49,279
Speaker 1: leads to Patriots and catches with sixty. How good is Stevenson.

768
00:38:50,120 --> 00:38:52,480
Speaker 1: He's very good. Yeah, he's very good. It's the first

769
00:38:52,520 --> 00:38:54,360
Speaker 1: time I think that the Patriots have really had a

770
00:38:54,440 --> 00:38:57,560
Speaker 1: featured back since the former Bengal Corey Dillon, where you

771
00:38:57,719 --> 00:38:59,600
Speaker 1: could say this is their bell cow, this is the

772
00:38:59,640 --> 00:39:01,799
Speaker 1: guy is going to be out there for the bulk

773
00:39:01,840 --> 00:39:03,680
Speaker 1: of the staffs, And it wasn't designed that way, it

774
00:39:03,760 --> 00:39:06,120
Speaker 1: wasn't planned that way. Damian Harris has been beat up.

775
00:39:06,640 --> 00:39:08,560
Speaker 1: He was their leading rusher from a year ago where

776
00:39:08,560 --> 00:39:11,640
Speaker 1: Guy's had twenty career touchdowns, fifteen of them last season

777
00:39:11,680 --> 00:39:14,480
Speaker 1: to tie a franchise record, a second in the league.

778
00:39:14,880 --> 00:39:18,160
Speaker 1: But Harris banged up. Stevenson more of a presence. Also,

779
00:39:18,400 --> 00:39:22,439
Speaker 1: James White retired after a hip injury last year, tried

780
00:39:22,520 --> 00:39:25,719
Speaker 1: to come back, retired before the season started, and so

781
00:39:25,880 --> 00:39:29,400
Speaker 1: Stevenson not only winds up being your primary ball carry

782
00:39:29,440 --> 00:39:33,040
Speaker 1: and almost exclusive ball carry because behind him and Harris

783
00:39:33,160 --> 00:39:36,200
Speaker 1: you had two rookies, one of whom from the FCS

784
00:39:36,360 --> 00:39:38,239
Speaker 1: level who weren't ready, the other of whom had a

785
00:39:38,280 --> 00:39:41,040
Speaker 1: fumbling issue in the preseason, so they didn't trust him.

786
00:39:41,080 --> 00:39:43,480
Speaker 1: He was on the practice squad. So Romantis not only

787
00:39:43,520 --> 00:39:46,080
Speaker 1: carrying the ball most of the time, now he becomes

788
00:39:46,120 --> 00:39:48,719
Speaker 1: your top running back option in the passing game. And

789
00:39:48,840 --> 00:39:51,640
Speaker 1: as you might have heard, advanced Joseph the defensive coordinator

790
00:39:51,760 --> 00:39:55,239
Speaker 1: for the Arizona car And I'll say last week, the

791
00:39:55,719 --> 00:39:57,839
Speaker 1: offense has called a lot like a defensive coach would

792
00:39:57,840 --> 00:40:01,000
Speaker 1: call it a lot of screen passes. And against his Cardinals,

793
00:40:01,040 --> 00:40:04,000
Speaker 1: the Patriots called a dozen screens. So that's involved sequence

794
00:40:04,000 --> 00:40:06,480
Speaker 1: in a lot in the passing game. He's a terrific player.

795
00:40:06,600 --> 00:40:09,000
Speaker 1: Great fine for them, I think in the draft. I

796
00:40:09,120 --> 00:40:11,399
Speaker 1: won't say that he's going to be the best Oklahoma

797
00:40:11,960 --> 00:40:15,520
Speaker 1: running back on the field on Saturday, but I think

798
00:40:15,560 --> 00:40:17,480
Speaker 1: it's going to be a lot closer than most people

799
00:40:17,800 --> 00:40:21,520
Speaker 1: would have ever expected. So the offense has struggled. The

800
00:40:21,640 --> 00:40:24,759
Speaker 1: defense is excellent. Top ten against the pass, top ten

801
00:40:24,800 --> 00:40:28,360
Speaker 1: against the run, seventh and fewest points allowed. Let's start

802
00:40:28,440 --> 00:40:33,239
Speaker 1: up front, Matthew, Judeon and josh Oocha. Is that as

803
00:40:33,320 --> 00:40:37,959
Speaker 1: good as any pass rushing duo in the NFL? Well, statistically,

804
00:40:38,320 --> 00:40:40,600
Speaker 1: you know, they were the first two pass rushers to

805
00:40:40,719 --> 00:40:43,239
Speaker 1: reach double figures in sacks on the same team, and

806
00:40:43,320 --> 00:40:46,600
Speaker 1: which is really come on of late. Now there's a qualifier, Dan,

807
00:40:47,520 --> 00:40:51,440
Speaker 1: A lot of the defense is statistics. Frankly were inflated

808
00:40:51,640 --> 00:40:56,080
Speaker 1: against Frankly bad quarterback play Sam Ellinger. For example, for

809
00:40:56,200 --> 00:40:59,879
Speaker 1: the Colts, Zach Wilson for the Jets before they turn

810
00:41:00,120 --> 00:41:04,440
Speaker 1: things over to Mike White. So in context, I think

811
00:41:04,520 --> 00:41:07,759
Speaker 1: people have to keep that in mind. Judon went quiet

812
00:41:07,840 --> 00:41:09,960
Speaker 1: late last year. He had twelve and a half sacks

813
00:41:10,040 --> 00:41:13,280
Speaker 1: Pro Bowl season, no production in the last four games,

814
00:41:13,680 --> 00:41:16,920
Speaker 1: and he didn't show up on the stat sheet fifty

815
00:41:16,960 --> 00:41:19,920
Speaker 1: plus snaps against the Raiders. So it's gonna be interesting

816
00:41:19,960 --> 00:41:22,200
Speaker 1: to see how he plays this week against a much

817
00:41:22,360 --> 00:41:27,120
Speaker 1: better offensive line, a far better offense, frankly, and they're

818
00:41:27,120 --> 00:41:28,920
Speaker 1: going to need him to stay at a chance, I

819
00:41:29,040 --> 00:41:31,560
Speaker 1: think in this game against the Bengals. Lucha is a

820
00:41:31,680 --> 00:41:35,520
Speaker 1: terrific athlete and explosive player. He was utilized by Don

821
00:41:35,600 --> 00:41:38,920
Speaker 1: Brown as the defensive coordinator in Michigan. That's strictly a

822
00:41:38,960 --> 00:41:42,440
Speaker 1: pass rusher, situational guy. Came into the NFL and the

823
00:41:42,480 --> 00:41:45,439
Speaker 1: Patriots his first year played him off the ball. Didn't

824
00:41:45,440 --> 00:41:46,960
Speaker 1: have a chance where they just to put his hand

825
00:41:47,040 --> 00:41:50,360
Speaker 1: down and rush the quarterback. That's not what a Patriots

826
00:41:50,400 --> 00:41:52,480
Speaker 1: defensive end typically does. You've got to be able to

827
00:41:53,000 --> 00:41:56,960
Speaker 1: do all the facets of their defensive scheme. Set the

828
00:41:57,160 --> 00:41:59,799
Speaker 1: edge play against the run, cover in the flat, drop

829
00:42:00,120 --> 00:42:02,279
Speaker 1: in coverage, and he struggled with that and then he

830
00:42:02,360 --> 00:42:05,720
Speaker 1: got hurt in a second year. This season, he's been healthy.

831
00:42:06,120 --> 00:42:08,480
Speaker 1: Like I said, I think that atheticism has showed up

832
00:42:08,520 --> 00:42:11,000
Speaker 1: of late, and they've been helped out too, frankly by

833
00:42:11,160 --> 00:42:14,080
Speaker 1: Devon Godchaw. It's been good for them. As a defensive tackle,

834
00:42:14,560 --> 00:42:16,839
Speaker 1: teams have definitely made an effort to double team him.

835
00:42:17,520 --> 00:42:20,880
Speaker 1: Christian Barmore just came back from a prolonged absence because

836
00:42:20,920 --> 00:42:23,719
Speaker 1: of injury. I think he's a very promising, young explosive

837
00:42:23,760 --> 00:42:27,680
Speaker 1: player as well. Year after year, it seems to me

838
00:42:27,760 --> 00:42:31,360
Speaker 1: the Patriots lose good cornerbacks and safeties to free agency

839
00:42:31,560 --> 00:42:35,160
Speaker 1: but remain great in the secondary. Is that true? And

840
00:42:35,280 --> 00:42:38,840
Speaker 1: if so, why, well? I think they're good. Yeah, certainly.

841
00:42:39,160 --> 00:42:42,600
Speaker 1: Jonathan Jones has been a good cornerback this year, and

842
00:42:42,680 --> 00:42:45,719
Speaker 1: I think a lot of it, Dan Frankly, is schematics

843
00:42:45,760 --> 00:42:48,719
Speaker 1: what they do sometimes to confuse quarterbacks with their coverages,

844
00:42:49,320 --> 00:42:53,280
Speaker 1: and you know, the marriage of their fronts and coverage

845
00:42:53,360 --> 00:42:56,120
Speaker 1: is now. I think the secondary has been a lot

846
00:42:56,200 --> 00:42:59,960
Speaker 1: better than people anticipated. At the cornerback position, Jalen Mills

847
00:43:00,040 --> 00:43:02,840
Speaker 1: has been hurt and that's been costly for them. I

848
00:43:02,840 --> 00:43:05,040
Speaker 1: think these last couple of weeks dealing with a Gwen injury.

849
00:43:05,560 --> 00:43:08,239
Speaker 1: Jack Jones is a cornerback that they took a guy

850
00:43:08,400 --> 00:43:10,520
Speaker 1: with some red flags coming out of college who was

851
00:43:10,520 --> 00:43:13,759
Speaker 1: a USC first then in Arizona State. The Patriots got

852
00:43:13,840 --> 00:43:16,319
Speaker 1: him as a mid round pick and he's gotten off

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Speaker 1: to a good start. He missed last week's game because

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Speaker 1: of anee injury. Marcus Jones, who is one of the

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Speaker 1: most dynamic players that I've seen in a Patriots uniform

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Speaker 1: in my ten years in terms of his overall athletic ability.

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Speaker 1: He's a triple threat. We've seen him return up punk

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Speaker 1: to win a game against the Jets. We have seen

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Speaker 1: him on offense against the Bills take a pass forty

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Speaker 1: eight yards with his first NFL NFL his first pro

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Speaker 1: touch for a score. And then defensively the last couple

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Speaker 1: of weeks, he's played very very well against some very

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Speaker 1: very good receivers, including Davante Adams and the Raiders. Very

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Speaker 1: good at the safety position, that's the deepest position, in

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Speaker 1: the most experienced position. I think Kyle Dugger as a

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Speaker 1: young player that you know, there's a lot to like about.

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Speaker 1: He's a foundation piece for them. Maybe not as good

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Speaker 1: in coverage as some of the other contemporaries around the

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Speaker 1: league that he has, but in terms of physicality and

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Speaker 1: just a knack for making plays, and he's really had

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Speaker 1: a good season for them. And then there's Devin mcquartery

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Speaker 1: of quarterbacks at all, and I think that's a big

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Speaker 1: key that easily gets overlooked because he doesn't show up

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Speaker 1: as much on the stat sheet as well, even though

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Speaker 1: he's got thirty plus interceptions over his long career. But

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Speaker 1: he's a guy that directs things and I think keeps

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Speaker 1: everybody on the same page. Back there final thing for

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Speaker 1: Bob Socie. I think a lot of us are wondering

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Speaker 1: how the Patriots are going to bounce back. If they're

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Speaker 1: going to bounce back from what happened last week. It

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Speaker 1: seems like it could go one of two ways. Either

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Speaker 1: you spiral after a loss of that nature and that magnitude,

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Speaker 1: or you rally. You're embarrassed, you're still in the playoff hunt,

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Speaker 1: you come back strong. Do you have a feeling for

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Speaker 1: what the Patriots are going to look like on Sunday

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Speaker 1: or Saturday? I should say, yeah, Dan, you know I

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Speaker 1: don't have a feeling. I have a fear. I would

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Speaker 1: say a concern about how this team is going to

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Speaker 1: bounce back. You know, it's funny. I found the infamy of,

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Speaker 1: as I understand it, calling the two walk off plays

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Speaker 1: in NFL history that involved multiple multiple laterals to win

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Speaker 1: or lose the game. One was in Miami in twenty eighteen,

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Speaker 1: and the hook and lateral play by the Dolphins to

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Speaker 1: beat the Patriots in Miami, and then of course last

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Speaker 1: week's play. Well, the twenty eighteen team was led by

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Speaker 1: Tom Brady and a number of other veteran players, and

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Speaker 1: they bounced back, and they won the Super Bowl with

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Speaker 1: Rob Grunkowski and Julian Edelman and a very very good

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Speaker 1: defense led by Stefan Gilmour, as you know, one of

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Speaker 1: the top defensive players in the league at that time,

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Speaker 1: a year before he became Defensive Player of the Year. Well,

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Speaker 1: they shut down the Rams, they win the Super Bowl.

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Speaker 1: They bounced back very nicely. This team, it's not the

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Speaker 1: same old Patriots. You got a lot of new guys

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Speaker 1: on this team. As I alluded to or even you know,

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Speaker 1: described directly a bit earlier than conversation, there's been a

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Speaker 1: lot of grousing. There's been some disconnect and you know,

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Speaker 1: some would say dissension. I mean, you had offensive players

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Speaker 1: opening questioning the openly questioning the coaching staff after the

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Speaker 1: Bills game a couple of weeks ago, So that doesn't

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Speaker 1: pourt ten very well for a strong rebound for the Patriots.

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Speaker 1: They have three games left, all against very good teams,

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Speaker 1: Miami at home and then Buffalo. Their playoff chances are

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Speaker 1: still alive, but it's it's between slim and none, let's

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Speaker 1: face it, you know, for them to win all three

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Speaker 1: of those games and really stand a legitimate chance of

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Speaker 1: doing anything in the postseason. So you know, it's a

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Speaker 1: game they have to have. I think there's so many

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Speaker 1: questions about them going into the offseason, and these next

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Speaker 1: three weeks are going to determine whether, you know, the

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Speaker 1: questions increase, or some of them are answered, or the

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Speaker 1: you know, the chorus gets louder. Here. That distinction of

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Speaker 1: calling the two game ending plays featuring multi laterals is

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Speaker 1: an interesting one, and you called them both great, as

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Speaker 1: I told you in a text that can't imagine somebody

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Speaker 1: calling last week's finish any better than you did, So

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Speaker 1: kudos on that, and I am looking forward to our

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Speaker 1: Patucket Red Sox reunion on Saturday in Foxborough, Oh I

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Speaker 1: really appreciate that because you call everything great as well. Dan,

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