WEBVTT - Conversations About Senseless Acts of Violence 0:00:01.840 --> 0:00:04.360 Watch up and welcome back to another episode and no 0:00:04.519 --> 0:00:07.480 Sillers podcast with your host not funk that with your 0:00:07.560 --> 0:00:15.880 low glasses, Malone. So tell me about your story. How 0:00:16.160 --> 0:00:20.360 did you go to jail? Finally, I'm really proud of 0:00:20.440 --> 0:00:24.240 you all know that sounds crazy, and you should be 0:00:24.280 --> 0:00:27.400 proud of Every black person in America should go to jail. 0:00:28.880 --> 0:00:31.600 If you're in America and in the country that oppresses 0:00:31.600 --> 0:00:35.000 the way you look, everything you do, and you don't 0:00:35.000 --> 0:00:38.640 go to jail, that means you wasn't being honory. That 0:00:38.680 --> 0:00:41.080 means you were just going like, let me act right, Master, 0:00:41.120 --> 0:00:44.400 see me. I don't know, mass I don't want old 0:00:44.400 --> 0:00:46.559 man take me down there behind the bars and I'll 0:00:46.560 --> 0:00:49.720 be with the people. Does not mean that does not 0:00:49.760 --> 0:00:54.200 mean every black person in America should go to jail 0:00:54.200 --> 0:00:58.760 at least once. I don't mean like, how were you 0:00:58.800 --> 0:01:03.120 just behaving the hole? How could you just be behaving 0:01:03.120 --> 0:01:05.720 in this country full of oppression the whole time. That's 0:01:05.720 --> 0:01:07.360 like if you was on the plantation and you never 0:01:07.400 --> 0:01:12.000 got one whip. You're just doing whatever Master I told you. Here, 0:01:12.360 --> 0:01:18.240 you don't down and blow me been obedience. I know 0:01:18.280 --> 0:01:20.920 your knees they're red, and blow me show me, and 0:01:21.000 --> 0:01:22.880 you're just like, yes, said mass, I don't want that. 0:01:23.920 --> 0:01:27.280 I don't want it. I definitely don't want it. I 0:01:27.280 --> 0:01:30.200 don't want it. But I I was gonna go to jail. 0:01:30.400 --> 0:01:33.280 Tell me, tell me what happened? Was I went out 0:01:33.319 --> 0:01:37.279 on uh was it Sunday? I went out on Sunday, 0:01:37.319 --> 0:01:39.600 Halloween weekends, the day party and I went to a 0:01:39.680 --> 0:01:43.560 day Yes, that's the day apparently, so um, I go 0:01:43.640 --> 0:01:46.200 to the day party. We were chilling or whatever. I 0:01:46.240 --> 0:01:48.640 was with my best friend and we decided, okay, we're 0:01:48.640 --> 0:01:52.360 gonna go to hookah lounge. Go to hookah lounge. I 0:01:52.440 --> 0:01:58.400 had a drink, had some hookah liquid courage. Then you know, 0:01:58.480 --> 0:02:00.480 I'm like, all right, I'm straight. I'm you know, drink 0:02:00.520 --> 0:02:02.520 me some water, ate me some chicken and waffles from 0:02:02.520 --> 0:02:08.320 the truck, everything, everything, whatever, And I'm like all right, y'all, 0:02:08.360 --> 0:02:10.520 I'm out, like I gotta go to work tomorrow, like 0:02:10.600 --> 0:02:12.520 I ain't got time whatever whatever. I get on the 0:02:12.560 --> 0:02:19.600 freeway on ship, I was like, oh ship, but I wasn't. 0:02:19.960 --> 0:02:23.960 And I was like, when I jail for drinking and driving, bro, 0:02:24.080 --> 0:02:28.080 that is not cool. Now it's not coolression or you 0:02:28.080 --> 0:02:30.480 thought I was out there fighting. I would have I 0:02:30.480 --> 0:02:32.000 would have preferred that. But you know what, though, I'm 0:02:32.000 --> 0:02:35.240 gonna be honest with you guys, I am so grateful 0:02:35.360 --> 0:02:39.519 that I did not have certain things in my car 0:02:39.600 --> 0:02:43.400 that I would normally have in my car, some weed 0:02:43.480 --> 0:02:47.280 and my gun. Oh ye chi, I would have been jailing. 0:02:48.480 --> 0:02:52.639 I would have everything to jail with them on everything, 0:02:52.800 --> 0:02:54.720 Like this was the day and it was crazy because 0:02:54.760 --> 0:02:56.760 I was looking. I told Asian, I said, you know, 0:02:56.840 --> 0:02:59.000 I was looking. I was like, damn, should I take this? 0:02:59.200 --> 0:03:01.799 I'll take my gun. It's Halloween, is gonna be crazy. 0:03:02.120 --> 0:03:05.400 I'm like, no, I don't take it so bad, don't 0:03:05.440 --> 0:03:08.560 take it. And it's crazy because it was. It was. 0:03:09.560 --> 0:03:12.959 It was a Mexican cop and a white lady and 0:03:13.240 --> 0:03:15.840 they both I knew when I saw him, I was like, 0:03:15.880 --> 0:03:17.840 I'm going to jail. They was just acting like they 0:03:17.960 --> 0:03:22.520 was just real bitchy, just real just like no, no, no, 0:03:22.600 --> 0:03:26.120 they was about the police. No, no, listen, let me 0:03:26.160 --> 0:03:29.160 tell you. It was just the way they were. That's 0:03:29.320 --> 0:03:31.440 that's the way that they were though. Like it was 0:03:31.480 --> 0:03:33.440 just I knew, like I just knew, like if it 0:03:33.480 --> 0:03:36.680 was it was if it was a male officer, did 0:03:36.680 --> 0:03:39.080 you pass up? Did you do the test? And everything? 0:03:39.320 --> 0:03:41.760 I did everything? I did everything, and it was like 0:03:43.240 --> 0:03:47.280 what happened? Had to blow blew over the limit? I 0:03:47.280 --> 0:03:49.440 can't even remember what what I blew. I need to 0:03:49.440 --> 0:03:52.360 look at my ticket. But anyway, A long story short, 0:03:53.000 --> 0:03:55.000 they took my ass to jail and I slept my 0:03:55.040 --> 0:03:57.400 ass there and they left me out of twenty like 0:03:57.560 --> 0:04:00.360 by like, yo, this is the streets you want right there? Um, 0:04:01.520 --> 0:04:04.120 Because when you I've seen the message, it was like, 0:04:04.160 --> 0:04:06.760 I'm like, how did I miss this? Yeah? No? When 0:04:06.800 --> 0:04:08.680 I text her like, oh I was in jail last night, 0:04:08.760 --> 0:04:12.119 she said what as soon as I got I got 0:04:12.120 --> 0:04:14.360 it like three hours four hours later, I'm like, oh 0:04:14.480 --> 0:04:16.880 my god, lord you I told it. And it's funny 0:04:16.880 --> 0:04:18.159 because I was like, damn. I was looking at her 0:04:18.200 --> 0:04:21.039 story like oh, she kind of going up, but I 0:04:21.160 --> 0:04:23.080 was going up that day. It's because I don't go 0:04:23.960 --> 0:04:26.440 dressed like a ninja or something. That's the day, that's 0:04:26.520 --> 0:04:29.119 the day, dress like a na. I went to jail 0:04:29.240 --> 0:04:32.440 just like a ninja and my boots and wait they 0:04:32.520 --> 0:04:34.560 killed let me tell you what else they did. They 0:04:34.600 --> 0:04:37.320 fucking cut my straps out, the red straps I had. 0:04:37.520 --> 0:04:39.240 They cut all that ship. I'm like, what y'all think 0:04:39.240 --> 0:04:45.440 I'm gonna do with the straps? Like not right? Yeah? Really, Oh, 0:04:45.520 --> 0:04:47.279 I don't know what They told me to take my 0:04:47.320 --> 0:04:52.080 boots off and I went to sell my constume up. 0:04:52.839 --> 0:04:55.280 That's fucked up. That's sucked up, man. Yeah, but I'm 0:04:55.279 --> 0:04:57.800 not proud of you anymore. You should have went to 0:04:57.839 --> 0:05:03.080 jail for that. A d us A ridiculous man, I've 0:05:03.120 --> 0:05:07.640 never Yeah, there's no reason she knows, I know. But 0:05:07.760 --> 0:05:12.360 it was crazy because because honestly, because I had took 0:05:12.400 --> 0:05:14.800 that last drink, I wasn't drinking like that. I don't 0:05:14.800 --> 0:05:18.320 even drink anymore. I drinking wine. Now. That's why I'm 0:05:18.320 --> 0:05:21.120 so pissed. All the times me and this motherfucker right 0:05:21.120 --> 0:05:24.919 here been running the streets partying or whatever, like we 0:05:25.080 --> 0:05:28.800 was drinking drinking this night in particular, I wasn't even 0:05:28.839 --> 0:05:31.599 drinking drinking in my ask took the jail. I was 0:05:31.680 --> 0:05:36.880 hot at myself, like hot, I mean, we already that's done. 0:05:36.920 --> 0:05:39.120 We don't your insurance to go up on your like 0:05:39.120 --> 0:05:43.080 a motherfucker already know he's a funk up. I'm to 0:05:43.120 --> 0:05:52.840 pay show is poor God, But I think every black 0:05:52.880 --> 0:05:55.960 person in America should go to jail, like, I genuinely 0:05:56.000 --> 0:05:58.560 think for one time, like you should know what the 0:05:58.600 --> 0:06:01.480 experience is like. You should have been honorary at some 0:06:01.600 --> 0:06:04.840 place to where it was like somewhere along the line 0:06:04.880 --> 0:06:08.240 you were built against some system, some situation of oppression 0:06:08.520 --> 0:06:11.200 and stood up and been treated like a nigger if 0:06:11.279 --> 0:06:13.599 you wasn't. I don't really know what that feels like. 0:06:15.560 --> 0:06:17.760 I don't know what that feel like. I don't know 0:06:17.800 --> 0:06:19.520 how you live your life being a bit the whole 0:06:19.560 --> 0:06:26.520 time before you say you can't be a bit your 0:06:26.560 --> 0:06:29.360 whole life. But it's funny, right, I was thinking about that, 0:06:29.880 --> 0:06:31.920 like I was going to name an album. You can't 0:06:31.920 --> 0:06:35.400 be a bit your whole life. I swear to God, 0:06:36.320 --> 0:06:38.080 it can't be a bit your whole lot. I don't 0:06:38.680 --> 0:06:43.120 jel is definitely not a place for you don't need 0:06:43.160 --> 0:06:47.159 to go. Yeah, I don't know. I don't. M h. 0:06:47.360 --> 0:06:51.560 I was you never went to jail. I've been a 0:06:51.680 --> 0:06:56.359 jail that. Yes, I'm proud of you. You should have. No, 0:06:56.600 --> 0:07:01.240 I did five days and that was that was five days, girl. Damn. 0:07:01.279 --> 0:07:04.560 It felt like the longer, the longest. At the longest 0:07:04.800 --> 0:07:06.560 you go to jail, you eat fruit. You start eating 0:07:06.600 --> 0:07:12.640 apple apples get different. They gave me an orange, peanut 0:07:12.680 --> 0:07:14.760 butter and jel. The best thing was that little break. 0:07:15.160 --> 0:07:18.520 Two slices of bread, milk and orange juice all the ship. 0:07:18.600 --> 0:07:21.240 I don't eat. To make you fool, that's blow up. 0:07:21.800 --> 0:07:27.280 I don't eat. I just sat there. It was the 0:07:27.360 --> 0:07:29.000 time in my life where I was going to jail 0:07:29.040 --> 0:07:31.400 all the time. I probably went to jail somewhere in 0:07:31.400 --> 0:07:33.600 the ten or fifteen times. I've never been in prison, 0:07:33.640 --> 0:07:35.000 but I used to go to jail all the time. 0:07:35.600 --> 0:07:40.200 I had a really difficult relationship with the sheriffs in 0:07:40.240 --> 0:07:42.680 my community, and I was selling drugs and they knew 0:07:42.720 --> 0:07:44.560 I was selling drugs, and I knew they had to 0:07:44.560 --> 0:07:47.000 prove that I was selling drugs. So I was kind 0:07:47.040 --> 0:07:49.680 of an arrogant de boy, you know what I'm saying. 0:07:49.720 --> 0:07:52.040 I prided myself and your ability to not catch me 0:07:52.080 --> 0:07:55.600 selling drugs. I treated my customers with respect so they 0:07:55.640 --> 0:07:57.840 wouldn't tell on me. You know. It was a way 0:07:57.840 --> 0:08:01.040 I conducted myself so they would catch me put other 0:08:01.080 --> 0:08:03.440 people shining on me. It was a game, and I 0:08:03.520 --> 0:08:06.720 knew what it was. I respected it um. But they 0:08:06.760 --> 0:08:09.480 used to have this thing called ship on a shingle. Oh, 0:08:09.640 --> 0:08:12.080 I heard about that. It's like a ground meat and 0:08:12.200 --> 0:08:15.400 mashed potatoes and cheese and ship. Yeah. It used to 0:08:15.440 --> 0:08:19.120 be crazy. It was good. It was good. I used 0:08:19.160 --> 0:08:20.360 to tell me all the time when I would be 0:08:20.360 --> 0:08:22.760 in the county, like, don't drink the juicer to make 0:08:22.800 --> 0:08:26.320 you stir. Really. Yeah, they called it Jim Jones had. 0:08:26.360 --> 0:08:28.040 I think it was like a grape. It was like 0:08:28.080 --> 0:08:30.600 a grape or maybe like an orange. It was orange 0:08:30.640 --> 0:08:33.360 juice and a little carton. Yeah. I had orange juice 0:08:33.360 --> 0:08:36.880 and the milk. None of the stuff drink. Yeah you 0:08:37.040 --> 0:08:41.520 ate that, didn't You should have stayed to drinking all that. 0:08:41.520 --> 0:08:45.000 Shouldn't eat everything. I was. I just fruit tastes different 0:08:45.000 --> 0:08:46.560 when you get the jail. You get the jailboy, you 0:08:46.600 --> 0:08:49.560 have another appreciation for fruit because the food they'd be 0:08:49.559 --> 0:08:50.920 trying to serve you be like, I just need to 0:08:50.960 --> 0:08:53.520 eat this album take you a while before you And 0:08:53.520 --> 0:08:55.640 then it was like a peanut butter and jelly sandwich. 0:08:55.679 --> 0:08:58.440 But everything was like it was. It was like the 0:08:58.520 --> 0:09:01.280 bread was separate in Oh, mine was the I had 0:09:01.280 --> 0:09:03.280 peanut butter and jelly and like little packets, but that 0:09:03.400 --> 0:09:08.960 the bread was separate girl. That was it was a blur. 0:09:09.280 --> 0:09:13.920 Did y'all ever buy that peanut butter and jelly stuff together? When? Yes, yes, 0:09:14.320 --> 0:09:16.760 I like that. So you like your peanut butter coat. 0:09:18.280 --> 0:09:21.080 I do. It was good. The only thing I didn't 0:09:21.120 --> 0:09:24.040 like my dad. He bought the you know, we would 0:09:24.040 --> 0:09:26.920 get that and then he would be like, don't mix 0:09:26.960 --> 0:09:31.480 it up, like keep it separate. Like I'm like, hell, 0:09:31.520 --> 0:09:35.200 that's what we pointed for. Like that's what we bought 0:09:35.240 --> 0:09:39.120 it for. Like why different tastes? Why were like, it's different. 0:09:39.360 --> 0:09:41.280 We're supposed to just be able to like scoop it 0:09:41.280 --> 0:09:44.160 on together. Want to take the peanut butter, take a 0:09:44.200 --> 0:09:48.200 little bit, don't want to mixed together. Actually he bought it. 0:09:49.240 --> 0:09:51.200 He bought it first one with Yeah, that was a 0:09:51.240 --> 0:09:54.880 bad idea. I don't think we ever got anymore after that. 0:09:55.800 --> 0:09:59.840 It wasn't it's it's a different taste. It's not like, 0:10:00.040 --> 0:10:01.719 O G peanut butter and jelly and I make the 0:10:01.920 --> 0:10:04.400 bomb peanut butter and jelly. You gotta have it on 0:10:04.440 --> 0:10:07.559 the right bread. And I got a secret bread. Oh 0:10:07.720 --> 0:10:11.240 gosh that don't brown your own peanuts up, na. But 0:10:11.320 --> 0:10:16.240 the bread is really good. It's this maple brown sugar bread. 0:10:16.880 --> 0:10:24.080 R Tiana. It's get so now they got this maple 0:10:24.120 --> 0:10:27.440 brown sugar bread right, And then I like under peanut 0:10:27.480 --> 0:10:31.239 butter with underrated like when you when you make sandwiches 0:10:31.240 --> 0:10:33.960 and things. I don't think people get crazy enough with 0:10:34.000 --> 0:10:36.800 the bread. Like I think that's the real trick. You 0:10:36.840 --> 0:10:38.880 can only do so much to the middle of a sandwich. 0:10:38.880 --> 0:10:41.800 Cover like the more bread you start trying, like marble 0:10:41.960 --> 0:10:44.560 rise and ship as you know, when you grow up 0:10:44.559 --> 0:10:46.840 where we grow up at it ain't it's just white 0:10:46.880 --> 0:10:51.600 and wheat like bad. I just like wraps. The grand was. 0:10:51.640 --> 0:10:54.840 She was always into bread. Sour though. That was my favorite. 0:10:55.160 --> 0:11:00.360 Sour doughs, croissans, she like ry like um, she like 0:11:00.480 --> 0:11:03.960 the ones that have all the all the stuff in it. Yeah, 0:11:04.520 --> 0:11:06.720 I forgot, I know what you're talking about. The grain. Yeah, 0:11:06.800 --> 0:11:10.600 that like that. And then my mom she loves her some. 0:11:11.360 --> 0:11:15.520 Um what's that David's bread. Yeah, that's that's that's stuff. 0:11:15.640 --> 0:11:20.160 That's yeah. I'm good, I'm good. Just just give me 0:11:20.280 --> 0:11:24.880 some about Did I tell you about my silly No, 0:11:26.720 --> 0:11:31.120 the silly I can laugh about this ship now, but 0:11:31.440 --> 0:11:35.120 motherfucker was not laughing in them. No. I don't know 0:11:35.240 --> 0:11:37.360 she was crazy though. She said she was in there. No, 0:11:37.600 --> 0:11:39.600 she was cool. She was like, oh, it's your first time, 0:11:39.960 --> 0:11:41.280 but you and your friend told her. She was like, oh, 0:11:41.400 --> 0:11:42.880 they don't let you in a couple hours, you'll be 0:11:42.880 --> 0:11:45.319 all right. And she was like yeah. She started pacing 0:11:45.320 --> 0:11:47.600 the fucking um cell. I'm like, what the funk. She 0:11:47.640 --> 0:11:50.080 had no shoes on, she just had socks on. And 0:11:50.120 --> 0:11:54.040 she was like, yeah, I have a UM what's it called? 0:11:55.640 --> 0:11:58.120 What was it called? Um? She said, Oh, she's had 0:11:58.160 --> 0:12:02.520 a restraint or owner. She had stattard, she violent and 0:12:02.600 --> 0:12:08.440 restraining order. Yes, she stabbed her boyfriend. Yeah. That's the thing. 0:12:08.520 --> 0:12:10.480 When you go to jail, you meet motherfucker's that usually 0:12:10.559 --> 0:12:13.080 know everything about jail and criminal cases and ship and 0:12:13.080 --> 0:12:15.200 you'll be thinking to yourself, like, why is you in this? Motherfucker? 0:12:15.240 --> 0:12:18.240 If you know better, nig went to jail like yeah, 0:12:18.120 --> 0:12:24.679 oh that ain't nothing like because you should be a lawyer, right, 0:12:24.960 --> 0:12:27.720 why are you in here? Everything? I don't know everything? 0:12:27.760 --> 0:12:30.960 Oh that's what you gotta do. You gotta foul this paperwork, bro, 0:12:31.080 --> 0:12:33.160 Why do you know all this? Nigga been in just 0:12:33.320 --> 0:12:35.880 whole life. I think that there should be a real 0:12:36.200 --> 0:12:41.040 first to hold up no seilings, gl what's happening? The 0:12:41.120 --> 0:12:45.880 jail bird bread was happening, Welcome home, free bread, the 0:12:45.920 --> 0:12:52.160 free brid t shirts. Um, we should create a program 0:12:52.160 --> 0:12:55.240 where people who like be in jail for twenty years 0:12:55.280 --> 0:12:57.679 and might be studying their cases, then be all in 0:12:57.720 --> 0:13:00.000 the law library. Then nigger should be able to go 0:13:00.200 --> 0:13:03.760 from jail right into law school. You know what I actually, Um, 0:13:03.800 --> 0:13:08.680 I have a cousin, UM cousin in law. He did 0:13:08.800 --> 0:13:11.880 like fifteen or sixteen years and he got out and 0:13:11.920 --> 0:13:15.960 he's a paralegal. That literally should be a transition. It's 0:13:16.000 --> 0:13:19.760 so many great ideas that I have to transition street 0:13:19.840 --> 0:13:24.959 ideas into professional ideas. And because those programs don't exist. 0:13:25.320 --> 0:13:28.000 You know what I'm saying, people don't know, Like, but 0:13:28.120 --> 0:13:30.360 some of the smartest people and the most creative and 0:13:30.400 --> 0:13:33.600 talented people are in jail. Like I used to be 0:13:33.640 --> 0:13:38.880 doing cutting hairs with razors and combs. Fade like triple phase, 0:13:38.960 --> 0:13:41.079 the best fade you've ever had in your life. You 0:13:41.120 --> 0:13:45.160 see them doing be cooking all kind of stuff you 0:13:45.200 --> 0:13:49.360 know's and you get to see how creative may be 0:13:49.480 --> 0:13:54.360 coming up with her hair. I'm like, damn, you get 0:13:54.400 --> 0:14:00.200 to see how creative Brothers really is. Yeah, um, so 0:14:01.240 --> 0:14:03.480 this is this one of them. Weeks we don't run 0:14:03.640 --> 0:14:05.920 like it's fair to say, we don't have a daily idea, 0:14:06.000 --> 0:14:10.120 a daily podcast, weekly podcast. But every now and then 0:14:10.280 --> 0:14:19.160 events inspire a conversation. Um, we've I think we've had 0:14:19.200 --> 0:14:22.880 a conversation about some things. But I think senseless violence 0:14:23.560 --> 0:14:27.760 is a title that's used entirely too much. I think 0:14:27.840 --> 0:14:34.720 senseless violence, right is, is an overused idea. You hear 0:14:34.760 --> 0:14:39.320 a lot about senseless violence. M h all. You hear 0:14:39.440 --> 0:14:44.040 senseless violence every time somebody on the outskirts labels some 0:14:44.080 --> 0:14:52.360 ships senseless violence. Um, I don't know if it's a 0:14:52.400 --> 0:14:55.040 reflection of the truth as much as people are just 0:14:55.200 --> 0:14:59.760 ignorant to the conflict. Because to me right now, Russia 0:14:59.760 --> 0:15:03.239 and you crane that ship is senseless violence, and America 0:15:03.320 --> 0:15:06.240 is fighting. It's funding a senseless violence fight to me, 0:15:08.080 --> 0:15:11.440 based off if, I can't make sense of it. But 0:15:11.560 --> 0:15:16.080 since it's kind of all perspective, right, I don't. I 0:15:16.120 --> 0:15:18.880 don't know. Do y'all understand? Do y'all know the story 0:15:18.920 --> 0:15:20.960 of why the sixties and the eight Trades are fighting? 0:15:21.920 --> 0:15:25.320 All the crips and a trade crips are fighting right 0:15:25.320 --> 0:15:29.920 now currently just that forever beef. Well, yeah, because as 0:15:29.960 --> 0:15:34.800 people die, it creates a a lifelong dysfunction between two communities, 0:15:34.840 --> 0:15:41.160 you know, as as a as a as a Um, 0:15:41.200 --> 0:15:46.280 how do I say this? It's almost like you bread 0:15:46.320 --> 0:15:49.200 like the half feeling McCoy's, you know, I mean you 0:15:49.280 --> 0:15:51.440 heard of that before, right, half feeling McCoys is two 0:15:51.480 --> 0:15:54.120 families to all white families been beefing forever because somebody 0:15:54.560 --> 0:15:57.600 I sunk over. So when somebody get killed, it creates 0:15:57.760 --> 0:16:02.560 a blood line like a lineage of Hey, um, sometimes 0:16:02.640 --> 0:16:05.600 we can resolve them. Japan and America, it feels like 0:16:05.640 --> 0:16:08.640 it's been resolved since Pearl Harbor and then you know, 0:16:08.680 --> 0:16:11.640 America dropped those two nuclear bonds on them. But there's 0:16:11.800 --> 0:16:16.080 always an underlining thing. Um, the sixties and the trades, 0:16:16.440 --> 0:16:19.160 the sixty rolling sisty crips, the trade cribs. Their beef 0:16:19.200 --> 0:16:22.360 goes back to a simple a situation between a simple 0:16:22.400 --> 0:16:25.720 fight between two young guys over a disagreement. Some says 0:16:25.760 --> 0:16:30.760 over a girl. Um, I think Rick Hardeman, I think 0:16:30.920 --> 0:16:35.200 that's Tyrone. Tyrone Hardeman. Big Rigg is the legendary dude 0:16:35.200 --> 0:16:37.040 from out of the area. It was his younger brother, 0:16:37.480 --> 0:16:39.040 and it was a guy named Fatty out of the 0:16:39.040 --> 0:16:42.280 eight Trades. I think Fatty's alive too. I was talking 0:16:42.280 --> 0:16:44.400 to one of my partners. They were fighting over a 0:16:44.400 --> 0:16:47.240 disagreement they would meet up to handle day, you know, 0:16:47.520 --> 0:16:52.480 um differences, you know, physically, like, okay, we're gonna fight 0:16:52.520 --> 0:16:56.760 it out to see who's makes the most sense. Sometimes 0:16:56.760 --> 0:17:01.720 the physical explanation is need. This is a normal thing 0:17:01.760 --> 0:17:05.879 that happens between communities. Sometimes they settle it physically, you know, Okay, 0:17:06.520 --> 0:17:10.879 a guy who's not necessarily a lifelong person from either community, 0:17:11.160 --> 0:17:14.440 you know who just start rolling with the trades. He's 0:17:14.520 --> 0:17:18.879 there and he mistakes the situation of the fight, pulls 0:17:18.880 --> 0:17:24.480 out a gun and kills Tyrone from you know, from sixties, 0:17:25.520 --> 0:17:28.680 sixteen year old kids. It's somebody's younger brothers, somebody's kids son. 0:17:28.800 --> 0:17:31.320 This is somebody's friend, kids, friends, a lot of people 0:17:31.400 --> 0:17:34.200 in that age group, right, this is a seventy nine, 0:17:34.520 --> 0:17:37.879 So everybody run. You know, this is kind of like 0:17:37.920 --> 0:17:42.639 new say, people shooting, but this is not normal, amos kids. Um. 0:17:42.720 --> 0:17:44.880 Later on they tried to meet up to figure it out, 0:17:45.000 --> 0:17:47.560 and you know, they just wanted the person who actually 0:17:48.040 --> 0:17:50.960 killed Tyrone. It's like, man, let us just get him. 0:17:50.960 --> 0:17:54.600 We you know, we need justice. Let's get him, and 0:17:54.800 --> 0:17:59.080 you know, it's resolved. They trades didn't really know him 0:17:59.119 --> 0:18:01.520 like that. They didn't his mother, that he's not a 0:18:01.600 --> 0:18:03.960 lifelong guy that grew up in their community. He's just 0:18:04.080 --> 0:18:08.320 some guy that they allowed to currently start rolling with them. 0:18:08.480 --> 0:18:13.159 And because they couldn't find an amicable solution, you know, 0:18:13.280 --> 0:18:15.520 passion got worse and worse, and they couldn't find a 0:18:15.560 --> 0:18:20.600 solution that was fair, and eventually, you know, tempers overflown 0:18:20.600 --> 0:18:24.679 and somebody got shot. Motions went too far. I couldn't 0:18:24.680 --> 0:18:27.280 find a solution. Somebody got shot. So now with somebody 0:18:27.280 --> 0:18:29.720 from sixties dad, somebody from a trade that people like shot, 0:18:29.760 --> 0:18:33.600 somebody from sixties died that people like, and somebody from 0:18:33.600 --> 0:18:36.000 a trade that people love got shot. And now you 0:18:36.080 --> 0:18:42.720 have this situation to me, that makes sense now the 0:18:42.760 --> 0:18:48.840 initial killing sense that don't make sense. It's just a 0:18:48.840 --> 0:18:51.400 way that these communities solve their issues all the time. 0:18:53.040 --> 0:18:55.800 That specific thing, you know what I mean, I don't get. 0:18:55.880 --> 0:18:59.800 But now after that I can understand how it starts 0:18:59.840 --> 0:19:03.639 to unfold. So I don't call all violence between sixties 0:19:04.480 --> 0:19:10.320 the Rolling sixty crips and there gangsty crips. Senseless Certain 0:19:10.400 --> 0:19:13.600 situations don't make sense, but some of them I understand. 0:19:14.680 --> 0:19:18.240 Where do y'all stand in that term senseless violence? How 0:19:18.240 --> 0:19:20.679 do you feel about it? Do you understand any like? 0:19:20.760 --> 0:19:22.879 I know you're not necessarily you're not gang members, but 0:19:22.920 --> 0:19:25.560 I'm sure you've heard, you've seen ship happened between men. 0:19:26.359 --> 0:19:29.480 Where has the violence ever made sense? Has the fight 0:19:29.520 --> 0:19:34.159 ever made sense? I lost my brother to me, I 0:19:34.200 --> 0:19:37.879 felt it was senseless violence. Um, you know, rest in 0:19:37.880 --> 0:19:41.560 peace in bound? Um. He was shot just coming out 0:19:41.560 --> 0:19:43.560 of a store, you know what I mean, go in 0:19:43.600 --> 0:19:45.720 his car, about to go to the studio. You know 0:19:45.720 --> 0:19:50.840 what I'm saying. In m No, it was like nothing 0:19:51.080 --> 0:19:55.200 like everybody was just like, oh, another man, you know shot? 0:19:55.240 --> 0:20:00.440 Oh but it's yeah, it's crazy, um because that said 0:20:00.440 --> 0:20:02.960 it was over a girl. It was so many different 0:20:03.200 --> 0:20:06.600 there were so many difference. I'm gonna tell you, UM, 0:20:06.760 --> 0:20:09.159 I don't know where he was from, but I know 0:20:09.200 --> 0:20:13.400 that he associated itself with um let's um like um Englewood. 0:20:14.920 --> 0:20:17.600 But I'm not I don't know. I just know that 0:20:18.480 --> 0:20:21.119 I wasn't doing Yeah, I don't know what quite happened. 0:20:21.160 --> 0:20:23.280 I just know that he was at a strow with 0:20:23.359 --> 0:20:25.240 his friends. He was going to get him some blunts 0:20:25.800 --> 0:20:31.640 and he was headed to the studio and he got killed. 0:20:32.040 --> 0:20:40.520 UM two and UM think yeah. So for me, like 0:20:40.680 --> 0:20:42.720 I don't, I just don't get it at all, like 0:20:42.960 --> 0:20:44.960 you know, but I'm a I'm a INNC advice center 0:20:45.000 --> 0:20:48.879 outside looking in. So I just see my brother gone 0:20:49.000 --> 0:20:52.199 for nothing like That's how I look at it, what 0:20:52.200 --> 0:21:05.080 I'm saying. But mm hmm, senseless violence would be the 0:21:05.080 --> 0:21:08.679 fourth show you cried don't cry up so rest in 0:21:08.720 --> 0:21:15.639 peace to take off. I'm I'm bringing this up because 0:21:15.640 --> 0:21:18.479 I say it's senseless to me because I feel like 0:21:18.760 --> 0:21:22.639 y'all got all this money, but you're gambling. See But okay, 0:21:22.680 --> 0:21:25.560 so what I don't want to do. And we don't 0:21:25.600 --> 0:21:27.800 really know what happened. We don't know what happened. But 0:21:27.840 --> 0:21:31.120 I'm but what was said, But don't don't. I'm gonna 0:21:31.160 --> 0:21:34.520 tell you I should never ever go by that because 0:21:36.920 --> 0:21:39.919 you don't. We don't really don't know. All we know 0:21:40.040 --> 0:21:42.400 somebody said, well, this is what happened, but that could 0:21:42.400 --> 0:21:44.320 have been a person that's putting together a play to 0:21:44.359 --> 0:21:48.560 distracted police. What I'm saying, like, I don't get into that. 0:21:48.840 --> 0:21:56.840 I just say it's it's senseless because he was just 0:21:57.840 --> 0:22:02.840 from what I've heard, is he was just having the 0:22:02.880 --> 0:22:05.640 back of his his family member. You know what I'm saying, 0:22:05.680 --> 0:22:09.040 Like for whatever jumped off. I mean, if that was 0:22:09.119 --> 0:22:11.960 Bret and something was going on, like I'm going to 0:22:12.080 --> 0:22:16.240 have her back, but he end up losing his life 0:22:16.840 --> 0:22:21.600 from something that could have probably been prevented. You know 0:22:21.600 --> 0:22:25.720 what I'm saying. I think that if instead of um, 0:22:26.560 --> 0:22:29.160 we don't know what happened, but to where it got 0:22:29.200 --> 0:22:34.040 to the point where now you guys are shooting, that's senseless. 0:22:34.480 --> 0:22:38.000 It's like, why can't we just have a disagreement or 0:22:38.320 --> 0:22:45.200 argument or whatever the case is without the gun violence, 0:22:45.280 --> 0:22:50.399 Like that's senseless to me. For me, like even in 0:22:50.440 --> 0:22:53.160 the moments like these where people close to me died 0:22:53.240 --> 0:22:58.600 and friends died, I can't get into why human beings, 0:22:59.320 --> 0:23:03.840 you know what I mean, Like, um, why do human 0:23:03.880 --> 0:23:08.800 beings escalate their situations? Let me get rid of crime. 0:23:10.160 --> 0:23:25.320 Goddamn grown up? Now? Just the case tis No, I'm 0:23:25.359 --> 0:23:31.760 not I'm for real. I'm saying, do you guys understand war? 0:23:32.480 --> 0:23:36.000 I don't do you at all? Do you think there's 0:23:36.040 --> 0:23:39.320 a reason to fight? Yeah, I think there'll be reasons 0:23:39.359 --> 0:23:43.359 to fight, but the gun the killing though, But I 0:23:43.400 --> 0:23:47.000 get you could die getting beat up too. You could 0:23:47.000 --> 0:23:49.480 die getting beat up to or fighting or anything. You 0:23:49.520 --> 0:23:52.359 can get pushed down the wrong way, hit your head whatever. 0:23:52.640 --> 0:23:58.800 But oh man, yeah, I believe in you know. So 0:23:58.880 --> 0:24:03.280 do you believe there's that for a reason to kill? Yeah? 0:24:03.680 --> 0:24:06.280 If you gonna defend yourself, sometimes you may have to. 0:24:06.600 --> 0:24:08.680 But what kind of defense are you? A? Stay in 0:24:08.680 --> 0:24:11.240 your ground? Like, let's say it's a girl read with 0:24:11.680 --> 0:24:17.919 bread with you like five five five four three, okay 0:24:17.920 --> 0:24:20.640 you five one. Let's say you got your pistol, won't 0:24:20.640 --> 0:24:23.480 you right in the car and it's a girl six 0:24:23.480 --> 0:24:26.320 ft two trying to fight you and she whooping on 0:24:26.400 --> 0:24:29.520 your ass. Yeah, And let's say she's whipping on your 0:24:29.560 --> 0:24:32.640