Speaker 1: The end of the first round was some of the
Speaker 1: most fun I've ever had watching golf. Rom McElroy a
Speaker 1: bunch of guys.
Speaker 2: We're just getting absolutely embarrassed by the bunkers.
Speaker 1: I got daughts in my head.
Speaker 3: Can't get him John, and not the thing what I'm
Speaker 3: thinking about. Can't get him John, not the thing well
Speaker 3: I'm thinking about.
Speaker 1: Hello, Welcome back to another fire Drill podcast. It is
Speaker 1: Open Championship Sunday. Michael Bamberger is at Royal Liverpool. I'm
Speaker 1: in Carmel, California. Brian Harmon is playing such beautiful golf.
Speaker 1: He's in such total control of this tournament and his
Speaker 1: golf ball. We decided to start this podcast on the
Speaker 1: back nine just to get it over with because there
Speaker 1: is no scenario in which our short king is not
Speaker 1: going to win this Open. So we're rolling the dice here.
Speaker 1: What short king it's been. You know, there's been a
Speaker 1: lot of jokes about he's playing he's under the wind.
Speaker 1: You know, he has more time to adjust because it
Speaker 1: takes longer for the rain to hit him. Like there's
Speaker 1: we can make all these all these all these mediocre
Speaker 1: jokes about Brian Harmon, but the factor remains that in
Speaker 1: sports power size are huge advantages, and it's always been
Speaker 1: kind of this mystery where he was a dominant junior player.
Speaker 1: He's not had this nice career on the PGA tour,
Speaker 1: but's never had the kind of success that people thought
Speaker 1: he might. You can imagine that when he when he
Speaker 1: started playing against guys who are, you know, eight inches
Speaker 1: taller and could hit the ball a lot farther, there
Speaker 1: was an adjustment. But whatever, he's finally the player we
Speaker 1: always expect him to be. What a performance by Brian Harmon.
Speaker 1: What would you say about the guy across four days
Speaker 1: here at the Open?
Speaker 4: Why do we talk about On Harmon's height and not
Speaker 4: Rory Mackroyz because he towers over He's got too interesting,
Speaker 4: I would say.
Speaker 1: Rory who claims to be five nine, No way, Well
Speaker 1: it's because Rory hits Allan.
Speaker 4: If Rory's five nine, Allen Iverson sixty three.
Speaker 5: Exactly, well, because the way Rory swings the club, it
Speaker 5: hasn't affected his He's still a power player, so it's
Speaker 5: not really relevant.
Speaker 1: Harmon is much more of a finesse and a control player,
Speaker 1: and it seems like, you know, being diminutive has perhaps
Speaker 1: you know, held him back on some level because you
Speaker 1: watch him put here, you watch the control he has
Speaker 1: of his irons. We know he's this tenacious competitor. I
Speaker 1: guess it's just trying to explain why he hasn't won
Speaker 1: more because it seems like the rest of his game
Speaker 1: is so incredibly strong. But I like his answer when
Speaker 1: people ask why haven't you why haven't you won more,
Speaker 1: and he said, I don't know.
Speaker 4: It's it's it's It is kind of a mystery just
Speaker 4: to go back to Brian Harmon the golfer, not just
Speaker 4: because they're both left handed, but that is part of it.
Speaker 4: He is a little bit like Phil where he's got
Speaker 4: a really rhythmic Phil is so underrated it's a joke
Speaker 4: for his golf. Phil's got a big, rhythmic, long swing
Speaker 4: with a big turn boom and and this Brian Hartman
Speaker 4: really does the same thing without as much boom. But
Speaker 4: he's got a big, long, rhythmic swing. It's beautiful to watch,
Speaker 4: fantastic short game and it shows you. I think the
Speaker 4: fact that he's got a commanding lead here as he
Speaker 4: makes the turn on the back, not in an open
Speaker 4: chip chip Sunday, is really a testament to both, of
Speaker 4: course his skill first and foremost, but also the greatness
Speaker 4: of links golf that it is an equalizer. This length
Speaker 4: is not so important. The very brilliant Nick Price sat
Speaker 4: eight years ago. It only needed to be said once
Speaker 4: and it was so true. If you want to target
Speaker 4: proof the courses to make them shorter, and that's sort
Speaker 4: of what the Open chap shows, especially under these conditions.
Speaker 1: You know, we had a tech falla yesterday and you
Speaker 1: were talking about how much you've enjoyed this week. And
Speaker 1: it's one of the fun things about the Open Rota
Speaker 1: is just enough time passes between venues you sort of
Speaker 1: have to be reminded and they can kind of blend
Speaker 1: together with the pop bunkers and the little towns. And
Speaker 1: what did you enjoy most about about Hoylake and about
Speaker 1: Liverpool as a host city.
Speaker 4: You were here in O six and fourteen one show. Yeah,
Speaker 4: but you missed you missed sixty seven. I think.
Speaker 1: I did sixty seven.
Speaker 4: I didn't talk to it for all three. This course
Speaker 4: is wildly underrated. It's not as usually beautiful as Burkedale,
Speaker 4: but it's very similar to Berthdale the way the holes
Speaker 4: are just sort of fitted right in there bcause of
Speaker 4: more traumatic piece of land. This is not. But it
Speaker 4: really truly is one good hold after another until it's
Speaker 4: seventeen about that leader. And it's weird that we get
Speaker 4: here so seldom, you know, once in the Tiger, once
Speaker 4: in the Rorrier, and once in the Brian Harminger. But
Speaker 4: so you know, the first joy for me is, you know, well,
Speaker 4: is just to be here, to escape the American summer
Speaker 4: for a week, to see this primitive form of golf
Speaker 4: that we both love. H There was a story in
Speaker 4: the New York Times today about whether well Fourth Call
Speaker 4: would ever get in open, So that's cute. Wales has
Speaker 4: never had an open Prince of Wales versus the Prince Wales.
Speaker 4: Wales has never had an open. So it's a terrific
Speaker 4: story about and Wyner. And so Christine and my wife
Speaker 4: send it to me, and I wrote back on the
Speaker 4: yet Shouldnik and I have played there? Well, we've played
Speaker 4: a lot of places. They're all terrific, and there's except
Speaker 4: for the infrastructure part, almost all of them could handle
Speaker 4: in open because it's not so dependent onlinth. But the
Speaker 4: fact that we come here so seldom RNA tells you
Speaker 4: how much the golf there really is here.
Speaker 1: It's been interesting, you know, monitoring the golf fans on Twitter.
Speaker 1: There's been some corvetching that it's not an exciting venue.
Speaker 1: I mean it is a sort of flatish piece of ground,
Speaker 1: but especially the back nine that you've got those really
Speaker 1: tough par fours and fourteen and sixteen, you've got the
Speaker 1: closing par fives and seventeen. I want to hear your thoughts.
Speaker 1: It's fun to watch on TV just because there's such
Speaker 1: a pucker factor and you can tell the players have
Speaker 1: a bit of fear and whether it's crossed the line
Speaker 1: into being too small a target whatever, and it's certainly
Speaker 1: embarrassed Matt Fitzpatrick and some others in a way that
Speaker 1: seemed a little disproportionate to the miss It's made for
Speaker 1: great TV. What's your take on seventeens? You know, standing
Speaker 1: out there watching players play it.
Speaker 4: The joke that's been going around is that the members
Speaker 4: put at sixteen, but I think they actually that's true.
Speaker 4: The members quit at fifteen, so right near at the clubhouse,
Speaker 4: and knowing how they play golf over here, that means
Speaker 4: another fifteen to follow, So a pleasant thirty whole golf day,
Speaker 4: which is, you know, four hours and forty five minutes,
Speaker 4: you know they've played at the proper pace. Maybe five.
Speaker 4: I think seventeen really doesn't fit in with this golf course.
Speaker 4: Every golf course has its own personality. If you think
Speaker 4: a dog can have a personality, which is kind of strange,
Speaker 4: although everybody, myself it's true. Certainly a golf course can
Speaker 4: have a personality too. The personality in this golf course
Speaker 4: is not flashy. And then and everything fit, and then
Speaker 4: you get to seventeen and super flash. It doesn't fit.
Speaker 4: It sticks out like a sort of bomb. For those
Speaker 4: who haven't had a chance to see it. It's a
Speaker 4: dish change. Fine, but it's totally locked by brand stands
Speaker 4: and wind screens, so the players can't really feel the win.
Speaker 4: And then you play. You play one hundred and thirty
Speaker 4: yard uphill into the wind shot with a like a
Speaker 4: clipped eight iron, maybe a full nine iron. But it's
Speaker 4: basically the seventeenth follow TPC sawgrass because either you pitch
Speaker 4: it on the green or you've got some wickedly unplayable
Speaker 4: bunker shot. Maybe a good shot if you get a
Speaker 4: good lie, fine, if you don't, you're making four or five,
Speaker 4: six or more. Because it's so slow, it's so severe
Speaker 4: that it's not super precise. It rolls off into oblivion
Speaker 4: and you play another shot. You I guess to use
Speaker 4: the price group for using. It's definitely a tabletop green.
Speaker 4: There's very few of us here. Actually don't know if
Speaker 4: there's any tabletops. Maybe that's really kind of point and
Speaker 4: it's kind of like an infinity pool and that's cool,
Speaker 4: Like fifteen that Augusta, you know, that back part is
Speaker 4: sort of nuculey can't see how bad it is over
Speaker 4: over fifteen. But it doesn't work. It doesn't fit in,
Speaker 4: And the biggest objection is the philosophical one trying to
Speaker 4: do something to juice it up for TV. That's not
Speaker 4: the RNA we know and love. They're the opposite of that.
Speaker 4: They're just like play the course. So they're not doing
Speaker 4: that here. So I think it's sort of add a character,
Speaker 4: but you know, it's a moment otherwise territ the golfers.
Speaker 4: So in conclusion, as we learned to say in junior
Speaker 4: high school, I would say just sort of doesn't really
Speaker 4: fit with the whole thing. But Alan I'm here, I've
Speaker 4: been watching it live and in person, you're doing what
Speaker 4: the RNA knows millions of people across the world is
Speaker 4: doing it watching on TV. How's it playing to you
Speaker 4: on TV? Which is kind of it's wrong intention but
Speaker 4: it isn't intentional.
Speaker 1: I think it's fun because you don't have a sense
Speaker 1: of the shift in the terrain or the feeling of
Speaker 1: the course. All of a sudden, they're just on this
Speaker 1: really terrifying little hole and you can feel the player's
Speaker 1: discomfort and there's been some great crack up. So I
Speaker 1: think it's worked from a TV standpoint. I hear what
Speaker 1: you're saying, but yeah, we have a different experience. But
Speaker 1: this also gets to you, Michael, as the poet of
Speaker 1: the Linksland. I'm really curious your take on what the
Speaker 1: RNA did after Thursday with the Bunkers, because the end
Speaker 1: of the first round was some of the most fun
Speaker 1: I've ever had watching golf. You had Rom McElroy, a
Speaker 1: bunch of guys.
Speaker 2: Were just getting absolutely embarrassed by the Bunkers. Probably again,
Speaker 2: you know, you're hitting two hundred and fifty yard shots
Speaker 2: into a small target, you missed by a few yards,
Speaker 2: and now you're.
Speaker 1: Fighting for bogie. The punishment was probably too severe, but
Speaker 1: as as someone who enjoys watching the best players suffer,
Speaker 1: it was why entertaining. And it did as you said,
Speaker 1: these courses are they're too short for these guys. We
Speaker 1: know that. I mean, any golf course on the planet
Speaker 1: Earth is too short for the pros at this point,
Speaker 1: and something that koy Lag is way too short. So
Speaker 1: I thought it was fun because it added real stress
Speaker 1: where if you knew you went in the bunkers, you
Speaker 1: weren't going to drop a quarter of a shot or
Speaker 1: half a shot, You're going to drop a shot in
Speaker 1: maybe two. And it made the targets that much more precise,
Speaker 1: and it added danger, which is so often missing in
Speaker 1: championship golf now where the guys are hitting short irons
Speaker 1: in the holes they are supposed to play really long.
Speaker 1: So I loved it, but the players didn't like it.
Speaker 1: The Arnic capitulated. They they reshaped the sand so the
Speaker 1: balls would roll up against the face, and that the
Speaker 1: championship just carried on. But what was your take on
Speaker 1: that decision? That midway you know, midstream in the tournament.
Speaker 4: But let's not forget what the great Man did in
Speaker 4: two thousand and six. I speak out of boging or
Speaker 4: big Jack with Tiger his own self did not hit
Speaker 4: and tell me this is correct? Allum, this is my memory.
Speaker 4: I don't think he was in a single trap the
Speaker 4: whole week. Is that correct?
Speaker 1: Yeah? I mean, and definitely in St. Andrew's in two
Speaker 1: thousand in a single trap. I'm not as sure about
Speaker 1: Hoy League. But whatever it was, this entire game plan
Speaker 1: was built on not going in the bunkers and it worked.
Speaker 4: I covered it, and I'm suppose it hasn't come up
Speaker 4: that much this week, but I don't think he did. Yeah,
Speaker 4: it was a true of the old course as well.
Speaker 4: I mean, that's actually hard to imagine doing that, to
Speaker 4: doing that twice, it's amazing. So that's the starting point.
Speaker 4: The architect is challenging, don't go in the trap. So
Speaker 4: don't go in the trap. That's number one. Number two,
Speaker 4: you could always get out in two shots because you
Speaker 4: could no matter where you were. You could put up
Speaker 4: to someplace more recently and they get your next shot out.
Speaker 4: So then the players asked to go in there and
Speaker 4: assess the thing. Three. I think it shows a tremendous
Speaker 4: confidence on their RNA's part to admit that they overdid it.
Speaker 4: I don't know that I would have done it, but
Speaker 4: I think it's cool. I don't think they can pitch
Speaker 4: lad of the players. I think they in their confidence.
Speaker 4: I don't like this raise their high golf. IQ's people
Speaker 4: are saying these days, but they did use their high golf.
Speaker 4: I us and yeah, we kind of overdid it too much.
Speaker 4: Too many of these, too many these shots are finishing
Speaker 4: right against the against the wall and leaving the players
Speaker 4: of nothing. So for it shows you, It shows you
Speaker 4: how you know a golf course is a big, open,
Speaker 4: rugged playing field. But as the USA has found out
Speaker 4: more than once, you get the pin placement wrong by
Speaker 4: three feet and it can be a day ruiner. And
Speaker 4: you get the you get the raking of the trap
Speaker 4: wrong by just the margin it can be. It can
Speaker 4: be given the top of the day, which which you
Speaker 4: don't want. So I think I think that part's quite interesting.
Speaker 4: But my biggest take, I don't think it's a complete fantasy,
Speaker 4: but it's a partial fantasy of the best golf courses
Speaker 4: in the world. Belport during the pandemic, Pine Valley all
Speaker 4: the time do not have rakes at all. If you
Speaker 4: go to Brow and gold Speed where the sheep are
Speaker 4: still in the in the bumpers they trotted up of
Speaker 4: course with their with their boats. That's what she had.
Speaker 4: I think that ship boots, I think so anyway, that
Speaker 4: would be cool. Just smooth it out of your foot
Speaker 4: like you do with Pine Valley and uh and it
Speaker 4: would make the make the trapping more of a trap.
Speaker 4: And really golf should go back to that. It's overly manicured.
Speaker 4: So so that's my that's my week bit about that.
Speaker 4: So what's your week bit about that. It's just it's
Speaker 4: just kind of weird about eliminating the rake.
Speaker 1: Eliminating the rake. Sure, it definitely worked out during COVID.
Speaker 1: I mean it for the for the amateurs, you know,
Speaker 1: it's hard enough guys like us, it's hard to get
Speaker 1: out of a bunker sometimes if you have a perfect life,
Speaker 1: it's sitting in a depression. It's really hard. So uh,
Speaker 1: I think guys I guess need it more than the pros.
Speaker 1: They can handle bunkers with such ease. The the thing
Speaker 1: about the rnade changing after the first round is what
Speaker 1: mystifies me is they had Monday, Tuesday and Wednesday to
Speaker 1: watch the players play their practice rounds and watch how
Speaker 1: the ball was running into the bunkers, and to talk
Speaker 1: to the players about it. It's kind of like, could
Speaker 1: they have gotten it right by Wednesday night? And once
Speaker 1: they decided and they had all that, they had all
Speaker 1: that data of all those practice rounds and all the
Speaker 1: conversations and all the press conferences, Like I thought, it
Speaker 1: was kind of weak sauce like this. You made a decision,
Speaker 1: you want the bunkers to be more penal, just stick
Speaker 1: to it, and that would have been that would have
Speaker 1: been part of the character of the tournament. So I
Speaker 1: don't know, I don't like them. I don't like them
Speaker 1: making that decision when they made it.
Speaker 4: Maybe you've allved more closely than I, But was their discussion,
Speaker 4: you know, as late as Wednesday, that the traps were
Speaker 4: unfair and that the ball was rolling right against the locus.
Speaker 4: I remember that. And by the way, I don't even
Speaker 4: know why I'm using the word unfair, because golf is unfair.
Speaker 1: Yes, I mean I was reading I was reading the
Speaker 1: pre tournament transcripts, and players were talking about it extensively.
Speaker 1: It was, you know, it was a known thing on Tuesday,
Speaker 1: like the ball was running up against the lips of
Speaker 1: the bunkers, and that it was a decision that the
Speaker 1: RNA made by keeping the bunker floor totally flat or
Speaker 1: traditionally they'll they'll build a little sand up the face
Speaker 1: brings the ball back. So yeah, it was. It was
Speaker 1: definitely by by Monday people were commenting on it, and
Speaker 1: certainly by Tuesday and Wednesdays, So it was. I don't know.
Speaker 1: I was surprised the RNA, the PG of America. Yes,
Speaker 1: they'll always cave to the players. I thought those old
Speaker 1: boys might show more of a stiff upper lip. But
Speaker 1: you know, I get it it. It could have dominated
Speaker 1: the discourse if you had all the contenders just making
Speaker 1: sevens after they missed a green by a couple of yards.
Speaker 1: I mean, you don't want it to stray into fair
Speaker 1: and unfair is I agree with your point. Golf is
Speaker 1: not inherently fair, but there is overly penal, and there
Speaker 1: is there is there can be a fine line to
Speaker 1: where it becomes somewhat absurd. So they took the safe
Speaker 1: way out. I wish they I wouldh they'd stuck to
Speaker 1: their guns. I think it would have been a much
Speaker 1: more interesting tournament. And the people at home who are
Speaker 1: saying this has been boring and the course is nondescript.
Speaker 1: I think it brings those hazards to life. I mean
Speaker 1: they basically become like water hazards, like you hit it
Speaker 1: in there, you're certainly going to drop a shot and
Speaker 1: maybe more, or you might get lucky in and be
Speaker 1: able to play a beautiful shot like I think it
Speaker 1: would have added to the texture of this tournament.
Speaker 4: I get all that, but I wouldn't go back to
Speaker 4: what I said earlier. I think it speaks very well
Speaker 4: for the r and that they have enough confidence. I
Speaker 4: don't think the caves to the players. I just think
Speaker 4: I think they they are Any leadership decided this is
Speaker 4: not the tournament who want to have. I think I
Speaker 4: agree with that that reasonable people may make different It's
Speaker 4: really actually this discussion is actually part of the really
Speaker 4: intrinsic beauty of the game. Yeah.
Speaker 1: No, it's it's all fun to talk about. There's no
Speaker 1: right answer, So let's talk about the pursuers. You know,
Speaker 1: if you took Brian Harmon away, it was a hell
Speaker 1: of a leader board. You had Tommy Fleewood, who, of
Speaker 1: course was the emotional center of this tournament growing up
Speaker 1: twenty miles away. John Rahm with his electric sixty three
Speaker 1: on Saturday to get himself in the conversation. As always,
Speaker 1: Rory was nibbling around on the on the board. This
Speaker 1: kid Scepts Traca was really impressive. I mean he's a
Speaker 1: big dude and he hits a far but incredible putter.
Speaker 1: I mean he seemed like he haven't looked at the
Speaker 1: final putting stats, but I felt like I saw him
Speaker 1: make more fifteen twenty footers than almost anybody. Jason Day,
Speaker 1: who's resurgent, and it's fun to see him in contention,
Speaker 1: and he was the opposite. I mean every time they
Speaker 1: showed Day he was he was hitting a beautiful putt
Speaker 1: that like burned the edge and you can see it
Speaker 1: on his face like how many how many times am
Speaker 1: I going to singe the cup here? I mean he
Speaker 1: really he really hit it well. So there was a
Speaker 1: lot of you know, blue chip players, but they could
Speaker 1: never really make that run. It was like there would
Speaker 1: be spurts, you know. Today on Sunday, Rory comes out
Speaker 1: in Birdi's three in a row early early in the
Speaker 1: front nine. It's like here we go, and then it's
Speaker 1: just like they just flatlined the bars and Ron was
Speaker 1: never able to generate any momentum. Cam Young another one,
Speaker 1: you know, playing in that in that final group with
Speaker 1: his firepower and got all those kicking birdies on Saturday.
Speaker 1: It felt like, all right, Cam Young, this is he
Speaker 1: did it last year at St. Andrews's going to shoot
Speaker 1: oother sixty four and make this interesting. But nobody could
Speaker 1: ever close the gap of what was your takeaway from
Speaker 1: the guys who didn't win this open, Well.
Speaker 4: It's like it's you know, let's replace Brian Harmon, Sane
Speaker 4: Retarga Woods his name. Everybody you know wrote this, wrote
Speaker 4: this game story sooner or later, the game story where
Speaker 4: the winner was the guy from intersecond. So you know,
Speaker 4: if we think Brian Harmon now had a great, great
Speaker 4: tournament and by the way, wonderfully eclected leader board of
Speaker 4: nationalities especially, but also playing styles and personality styles, you know,
Speaker 4: I think wherever golf is going, we're going to need
Speaker 4: these major championships, and major championships would be opened us
Speaker 4: the best job of it. The others would likely do
Speaker 4: a better job of its. Does a pretty job of it, really,
Speaker 4: gathering the best players in the world, ever you're going
Speaker 4: to try to define them from this is a critical
Speaker 4: part all over the world to gather one place, and
Speaker 4: golf is going to become more like tennis with the
Speaker 4: four Grand Slam events. I don't even know what tennis does.
Speaker 4: The other fort they outing see here, I actually don't know.
Speaker 4: I wouldn't even know. Weird to look. I don't have
Speaker 4: a tennis channel. I don't follow. I don't care enough,
Speaker 4: but I do care about the majors. But we're good
Speaker 4: or for bad. Golf is going to turn in that direction.
Speaker 4: So when you rattled off of you know, all those
Speaker 4: names from and then the young man from India, pardon
Speaker 4: named mister Sharma. Were you familiar with mister Sharma before
Speaker 4: this week? You probably wear out you play.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, it's actually one of my It's one of
Speaker 1: my great regrets. Is I think it's either seventeen or eighteen.
Speaker 1: He had a terrific year, one of a couple of
Speaker 1: big time tournaments around the world, contended at some wgc's,
Speaker 1: and you know, he was really young at that point,
Speaker 1: and I was I wanted to go do a story
Speaker 1: in India because his dad's a colonel in the military,
Speaker 1: and India is a place I've always been fascinated with
Speaker 1: that I haven't gotten there yet, and I would really
Speaker 1: far down the road I had, I'd gotten my visa,
Speaker 1: I had booked a hotel, and I was dealing with
Speaker 1: the family and then our bosses at Golf magazine. You know,
Speaker 1: it's not inexpensive trip. They kind of delayed it, and
Speaker 1: it was like, well, let's see if this kid has
Speaker 1: another good year and then we'll definitely do it. But
Speaker 1: it's the opposite, like there's so many times you got
Speaker 1: to get the guys while they're hot because you never
Speaker 1: know what nothing's given, and he hasn't really been a
Speaker 1: factor since then. It was just like after after Louis
Speaker 1: resize and won the Masters, we're not doing with the
Speaker 1: Master won the Open. I wanted to go down to
Speaker 1: his farm in South Africa right around on tractors with him,
Speaker 1: and his agent said, oh, we love it, but you
Speaker 1: know he's has so many demands. Can we do it later?
Speaker 1: I said, there is no later, Like he's he just
Speaker 1: won the Open. You know, this is the moment. And
Speaker 1: the next year this was like in you know, January February,
Speaker 1: I said, someone's gonna win the Masters, and someone's gonna
Speaker 1: win all these terms. They'm going to forget about Louis.
Speaker 1: It's like now or never. It's like, no, he's have
Speaker 1: you seen his golf switing, He'll be around forever. And
Speaker 1: I'm like, well, I'm just telling you I've done this before.
Speaker 1: Like there's there's a moment when when a guy is
Speaker 1: ascendant and there's all this energy and their story hasn't
Speaker 1: been told over and over. That's when he got half
Speaker 1: to go do the big features. And in Louis case,
Speaker 1: they didn't say yes. The Charmers are delightful people. They
Speaker 1: were happy for me to come, but the trip got
Speaker 1: deferred for for expense reasons and it's never happened. So yeah,
Speaker 1: I've always been interested in him. You know, comes from
Speaker 1: this town in the north of India. I believe that
Speaker 1: it's supposed to be incredibly beautiful, and you know, his
Speaker 1: his dad is out there walking and it just seems
Speaker 1: like a neat story. And I did a big piece
Speaker 1: on Jeev milk is Seeing, who's kind of the patriarch
Speaker 1: of Indian golf. And you know he's been he's been
Speaker 1: Shoe Baker's mentor and and he's a wonderful guy too.
Speaker 1: So yeah, uh, that's the one that's if you make
Speaker 1: a list of stories that got away Like that's when
Speaker 1: I always wish I could have done. It's never too late,
Speaker 1: but he definitely has fallen off. But hopefully he'll this
Speaker 1: is the beginning of you know, he'll become a scendant
Speaker 1: and then they'll be another reason to make that trip
Speaker 1: over India.
Speaker 4: And everything you say reminds me of Jim Harry, our editor,
Speaker 4: Jim Harry Sports. Those used to say, write it or
Speaker 4: read it. You gotta write it, You got to write
Speaker 4: it while you can't. It's funny when you made that
Speaker 4: miscue about who's's tyson and his masters wins. I have
Speaker 4: the same thing with Nick Price. In my mind, Nick
Speaker 4: Brice is one of the masters. It just seems like
Speaker 4: he has I can see him at the dinner. Of
Speaker 4: course he's not at the dinner. I can see him
Speaker 4: walking around with the coat. Of course that has never happened,
Speaker 4: and he was the same. I see him at the
Speaker 4: dinner and I see him walking around with the coat. Well,
Speaker 4: it's funny. Yeah, you gotta write it. You got to
Speaker 4: write it while while you can.
Speaker 1: And Nick Price does have a piece of the course
Speaker 1: record Augusta National the sixty three. I mean he had
Speaker 1: a few chances. But we don't have to go through
Speaker 1: all the people who didn't win this Open. But let's
Speaker 1: just tip our cap in the direction Roy McElroy, who's
Speaker 1: playing at an incredibly high level and he's going to
Speaker 1: have another top ten in the majors. He's you know,
Speaker 1: he finished the top ten in all four in twenty
Speaker 1: twenty two. He's gonna have three this year. He's he's there.
Speaker 1: I mean, he's one or two shots a day away
Speaker 1: from from an epic run. But he's just not he's
Speaker 1: not getting it done. What is your analysis of Rory
Speaker 1: this week?
Speaker 4: Well, with respect, I wouldn't say one or two shots today.
Speaker 4: I would say one or two shots on Sunday. You
Speaker 4: know that that shot you need on the front side
Speaker 4: to really be there, and then that shot you need
Speaker 4: on the back nine, especially fourteenth to the house. You
Speaker 4: know Tiger didn't really have. If you look at Tiger's fifteen,
Speaker 4: makers seemed to have that many close ones, but he
Speaker 4: had a number of them. He had both those things.
Speaker 4: He had that shot in the front. He was often
Speaker 4: playing in the last group, not always always, but often was.
Speaker 4: You know, so that tells you not golf skill We've
Speaker 4: talked about this before, but it probably does bear repeating.
Speaker 4: Not about golf skill, it's about, you know, the missing gear.
Speaker 4: It's just it's it's going to get harder, not easier.
Speaker 4: It just will. I feel for him, but I think
Speaker 4: he had, But I don't feel for him like I
Speaker 4: feel like I feel for Tiger where he is in
Speaker 4: his life right now, because I think Rory from what
Speaker 4: do we know? We don't know anything, but by appearances,
Speaker 4: by his relationship with his parents and his wife, his child,
Speaker 4: seems daddy, you know, friends place in the game, seems
Speaker 4: like he has a very contented life. Of course, there's
Speaker 4: always hunger for more than any world class athlete or
Speaker 4: any world class anybody. So I don't think it's deep,
Speaker 4: deep pain, but there is something missing. Is that? Is
Speaker 4: that too Harshaw? No?
Speaker 1: I mean I got into this minor dispute with a
Speaker 1: literalist on Twitter. I mean Roy's last major was in
Speaker 1: twenty fourteen. His next chance to win one is in
Speaker 1: twenty twenty four You can call it a decade since
Speaker 1: his last one, even though we can't see that officially
Speaker 1: until next July. But the point is it is an
Speaker 1: astonishing amount of time and the contentedness you talk about.
Speaker 1: It's interesting because you know, he blew off the media
Speaker 1: a lot this week, canceled his pre tournament press conference,
Speaker 1: didn't speak after Saturday. You know, Saturday, he came out
Speaker 1: and was absolutely flushing. The ball could have burdied like
Speaker 1: the first five holes, picked off a couple, but you
Speaker 1: know it was I saw a stat between Sunday at
Speaker 1: the Old Course and Saturday at Hoylake. Rory hit thirty
Speaker 1: three out of thirty six greens, almost perfect ball striking,
Speaker 1: and had five birdies. In other words, he had twenty
Speaker 1: eight birdy puts. It didn't go in like across two rounds,
Speaker 1: like that will that will corrode your will to live
Speaker 1: when you're hitting it that good, and you know he was.
Speaker 1: These were not forty footers. He was missed in ten, eleven, twelve,
Speaker 1: fifteen footers like the rains that you got to make
Speaker 1: if you want to win one of these things. And
Speaker 1: I don't think Rory's a bad putter, but it just
Speaker 1: seems like he's lost the ability to make them when
Speaker 1: he needs them, when it matters most. And that's a differentiator.
Speaker 1: I mean, when Brian Harmon is having an all time
Speaker 1: putting performance this week, and I was looking at his
Speaker 1: strokes gains from t to green. It's good, but it's
Speaker 1: on the green where it's been phenomenal. And that's just
Speaker 1: often what it takes. You're playing against one hundred and
Speaker 1: fifty five other great players, especially on greens like this
Speaker 1: that are a little slower and little little flatter, and
Speaker 1: you can put aggressively, like you got to make the putts,
Speaker 1: and Rory's just not doing that.
Speaker 4: Yeah, you got to make the putts. You got to
Speaker 4: find a way to get it done. I would say
Speaker 4: the Old Course last summer, what happened there that will
Speaker 4: fall him around for the rest of his life as
Speaker 4: it follows around Tom Watson and others who had the
Speaker 4: chance had it right there. I mean Watson didn't really
Speaker 4: have it right there in his hands, but it was
Speaker 4: his to maybe win when you stood in that muh
Speaker 4: when Seve won, and Rory the same. He loves this
Speaker 4: game deeply, and anybody loves his game. Loves the open
Speaker 4: and loves the open, loves the open at the Old Course.
Speaker 4: There's nothing greater than it. There's actually nothing greater than
Speaker 4: any professional golf than the Open at the Old Course.
Speaker 4: We had a fantastic week there a here ago that
Speaker 4: was right there for now, you know, hats off to
Speaker 4: cam Smith. What he did was spent on home. But
Speaker 4: still Rory had the chance, could have gotten it done.
Speaker 4: Didn't get it done, and that's good, just like Jordan Steed,
Speaker 4: you know, hidden in the getting in the in the
Speaker 4: lake on the on twelve of augusta National quotes the Greek.
Speaker 4: You know, it's a moment in time where you had
Speaker 4: the chance and it's coming on now with Jordan SPIE's benefit.
Speaker 4: Of course he's got the coat forever. Uh. But let's
Speaker 4: talk about you know, when you say it'll be a
Speaker 4: year come next July, well that presumes you won't win
Speaker 4: next year's Masters. I know everybody who cares about golf
Speaker 4: and like sorry, would love to see him win a
Speaker 4: Master's and complete the Great Grand Slam. But this whole
Speaker 4: of twenty twenty three, going back to July twenty twenty
Speaker 4: two and then eight years before that, it's going to
Speaker 4: make winning the Masters even harder, even though in theory
Speaker 4: the Masters is the easiest one to win. Now you
Speaker 4: might talk about technical problems. As you've said, he's looked
Speaker 4: like a great, great better at times in his career.
Speaker 4: I guess maybe he hasn't been, but he's going to
Speaker 4: have two things going on in augusta very very difficult
Speaker 4: butts to greens to butt and read on Sunday especially,
Speaker 4: and then they get a dumb factor who knows where
Speaker 4: his career will go here on some level, he has
Speaker 4: to feel it's kind of weird to say talking about
Speaker 4: a multi multi millionaire who seems to have it all
Speaker 4: and on some level that I wouldn't even know how
Speaker 4: to articulate, there must be a deep, deep hurt inside
Speaker 4: him for the role that he's played for two years
Speaker 4: now and defending the PJ Tour amid the rise of
Speaker 4: live golf now on you if you've reported that full
Speaker 4: story more than anybody, what would be your insight into
Speaker 4: what kind of and I know you'd have to root
Speaker 4: in tea leaves to some degrees or he hasn't talked
Speaker 4: about it that much, but just use this phrase sacrificial lamb.
Speaker 4: What's what's your reading into that phrase? And where his
Speaker 4: head might be as a result, not just his head,
Speaker 4: but where's golf might be as a result.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think Rory is going to exhale you know
Speaker 1: as he steps off a golf course today and be like,
Speaker 1: this was probably the hardest year I've ever had in golf.
Speaker 1: That you know, you could feel his energy at the
Speaker 1: US Open and here like just the betrayal, the shock,
Speaker 1: the anger, the hurt of the way that he was
Speaker 1: basically used by Jaymon Hahn and his friend, his friend
Speaker 1: Jimmy Dunn and and these other cold blooded you know,
Speaker 1: boardroom warriors. I mean, Rory's an idealist and he thought
Speaker 1: he was fighting for something larger than himself and you're
Speaker 1: bringing the money guys like a dun and a hurl
Speaker 1: he and these other guys, and they see it in
Speaker 1: much more cold blooded fashion, and it's one of the
Speaker 1: all time you know, pulling the rug out from from
Speaker 1: somebody like And I don't. I still think it's he's
Speaker 1: trying to find his equilibrium. And I think it showed
Speaker 1: both at the open end here where his his golf
Speaker 1: is so good. He can even with a broken heart
Speaker 1: and a and a little subdued energy and a low
Speaker 1: grade anger, he can still go out there and contend.
Speaker 1: But you need a clear mind to win these things,
Speaker 1: and you need a you need to you need a
Speaker 1: focus that is unwavering and I haven't seen that from
Speaker 1: Rory whatsoever, and so it's it's interesting he now has
Speaker 1: nine months to recharge for a gust. I would love
Speaker 1: for him to be selfish and just wd from some
Speaker 1: of these events. You know, he's he goes hard around
Speaker 1: the FedEx Cup, then he goes over and plays a
Speaker 1: bunch in Europe because he's trying to support that tour.
Speaker 1: And I you know, we saw it this weekend, blowing
Speaker 1: off the press like it's sad because Rory's always been
Speaker 1: so open and the reason why golf fans and golf riders,
Speaker 1: everybody loves him so much is he lets you in.
Speaker 1: He's not like Tiger. He's very honest. He's very open.
Speaker 1: He's very raw and real. But maybe this is the
Speaker 1: beginning and that sued him well as an ambassador and
Speaker 1: has made him a beloved figure. But it's also all
Speaker 1: the talking he's done is not backed up by you know,
Speaker 1: the trophy case, right, So maybe maybe there'll be this
Speaker 1: shift for Rory's gonna just be like, Okay, these guys
Speaker 1: didn't support me, I'm going to support them a little less.
Speaker 1: And I'd like to see him reduce a schedule I
Speaker 1: see him do less corporate work and just recharge more
Speaker 1: and downsize his golfing life and make it like Jack
Speaker 1: and Tiger did, where it's all about the majors and
Speaker 1: you know all the revenue streams Rory has from, you know,
Speaker 1: the Whoop deal where he got equity and golf pass
Speaker 1: and I mean just the money you can make on
Speaker 1: the golf course. Now, like why go chase the race
Speaker 1: to Dubai? Who cares? It's not gonna change his life.
Speaker 1: I mean, I presume he's got one hundred millions dollars
Speaker 1: in the bank, what's another ten or twelve? Who cares?
Speaker 1: And it consolidate his efforts around the term as that
Speaker 1: really matter and maybe not be stretched so thin. So
Speaker 1: the fact that he's a little churlish with the press,
Speaker 1: it's not helpful for guys like us, but it might
Speaker 1: indicate that he's kind of building this cocoon around himself
Speaker 1: and maybe that's.
Speaker 4: What he needs.
Speaker 1: And if it means that these next ten years Rory
Speaker 1: can can you know, achieve what he's capable of, then
Speaker 1: it's I think it's a good trade because we all
Speaker 1: want to see him in full flight and we want
Speaker 1: to see him realize this awesome potential, and like you know,
Speaker 1: Tiger realized, the golf is enough. That's all I have
Speaker 1: to give is the golf. I don't have to really
Speaker 1: do any one on one interviews. I'll do the bare minimum.
Speaker 1: I will talk after every round. I won't say anything.
Speaker 1: I will show up, but I won't reveal the you know,
Speaker 1: the well guarded fortress of my inner self. And I'll
Speaker 1: just do the required and I won't give you one
Speaker 1: more inch than that. But the transcendent golf was enough.
Speaker 1: That was his gift and to the rest of us,
Speaker 1: and I I wouldn't be mad if Rory went down
Speaker 1: that same road. Just give us the golf, you know,
Speaker 1: and because he's given so much of himself already, but
Speaker 1: we'll see it. He may, he may, he may sleep
Speaker 1: this one off.
Speaker 4: And uh.
Speaker 1: The the converse to that is that you have to
Speaker 1: be who you are. And he's a naturally open, kind
Speaker 1: of gregarious guy. So if he tries to be Nick
Speaker 1: Faldough or he tries to be Ben Hogan, he tries
Speaker 1: me talk, it might not work. It might it might
Speaker 1: hurt him, you know, So I don't know. At this point.
Speaker 1: All we can do is psychoanalyze Rory from the couch
Speaker 1: because he's so freaking good at golf, but he can't
Speaker 1: win the tournaments that matter the most. It's all that
Speaker 1: we're left is to try and figure this out.
Speaker 4: That was almost overlyly like in its ability to uh.
Speaker 4: You could take what you just said, transcribe it and
Speaker 4: put it in and publish it. There's only one significant
Speaker 4: area where I would disagree. You say, you know, have
Speaker 4: him focus on the majors. I think to me it's
Speaker 4: obviously he's too focused on the majors. He can win
Speaker 4: tournaments that are not majors, so why can he win majors?
Speaker 4: People generally win majors at the exact same case it
Speaker 4: wally win when non majors. So clearly to me, it
Speaker 4: seems obvious to me that he's putting a sort of
Speaker 4: quote pressure on himself. There's an internal tension when it
Speaker 4: comes to playing, you know, the for majors, and especially
Speaker 4: I would say the Masters, but even last year's I
Speaker 4: would say last year's open up the old courses very
Speaker 4: equivalent to to the Masters, because it's such a special
Speaker 4: category onto itself. So I would think the mental trick
Speaker 4: for him and Tiger wouldn't relate to this. He can
Speaker 4: talk to Tiger Toll he's blue in the face, but
Speaker 4: Tiger would not be able to give advice on This
Speaker 4: is how to treat majors more like Bay Hills and
Speaker 4: even players Championships. I think it's almost impossible to do,
Speaker 4: but I think that would be would be Yes, reduced
Speaker 4: the schedule, but figure out some kind of mental trick
Speaker 4: to do that.
Speaker 1: Easier said, Yeah, no, I actually agree with you. I mean,
Speaker 1: just reduces all the clutter in his life. So he's
Speaker 1: just sort of more refreshed, and he's more he's more arrested,
Speaker 1: and he's more golf hungry. But yeah, I would love
Speaker 1: to see him at next year's Masters fly in Wednesday
Speaker 1: at eight pm. Go to t Bones tie one on
Speaker 1: show up ten minutes for his Thursday tea time. Don't
Speaker 1: hit a single ball or a single practice butt, and
Speaker 1: just go out and free wheel it, like why not?
Speaker 1: He's tried everything else. I mean, because remember the Ryder
Speaker 1: Cup when he almost missed his tea time. He got
Speaker 1: the time zones wrong, and he rocked up and he
Speaker 1: took a few practice swings and ate like a banana
Speaker 1: and he went out and he thumped Keegan Bradley, who'd
Speaker 1: been playing amazing golf like Rory McRoy, so good at golf.
Speaker 1: He doesn't need all this bullshit. Just just just rock
Speaker 1: up to the first tee hungover and see what happens.
Speaker 1: And by the way, that was the day he met
Speaker 1: his future wife. Was was at that Ryder Cup. So she.
Speaker 4: Organized the car that got him there or something like that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, exactly. So I don't know. Yeah, I agree
Speaker 1: what you're saying, like switch up the preparation somehow, but.
Speaker 4: Harder to do. But well said what is your insight
Speaker 4: to vinih too? How j Monaghan's first week back at
Speaker 4: work went.
Speaker 1: Well? Of course, no, no, and he didn't. It was
Speaker 1: funny because he didn't show his face at all. I
Speaker 1: mean it's probably so tan from just like laying it
Speaker 1: on the beach and they're trying to Jay. He looked
Speaker 1: too well rested. I mean Ernie El's he had some
Speaker 1: great quotes welcome back Jay, like you know he he
Speaker 1: basically said, in my ear, he would have been he
Speaker 1: would have been fired. We would have stood for this,
Speaker 1: and you know, Xander Schoffley and George Speed the Scottish
Speaker 1: Open had some tough things to say. It was not
Speaker 1: a warm embrace for the Commissioner upon his return. So
Speaker 1: it's it's fraught. I mean, well there's always some kind
Speaker 1: of news bake. We'll see what's next. But yeah, I
Speaker 1: think he's he's Wantahan's in a tough spot. I mean,
Speaker 1: he's really he's got to he's got to repair his
Speaker 1: relationships with the players, with the golf press, with the sponsors.
Speaker 1: His title of ce you know, CEO of all of
Speaker 1: golf is a little tenuous. Like you know, it's been
Speaker 1: this joke who's going to last longer, Monahan or Norman?
Speaker 1: All this stuff came out about Norman has been sacrificed
Speaker 1: at the altar. But I don't think mon Han's on
Speaker 1: firm footing either. So I would say they're pretty much
Speaker 1: neck and neck from their their odds of survival. But
Speaker 1: before we go, let's let's talk a little bit more
Speaker 1: about Brian Harram. We got to give this guy his due.
Speaker 1: I mean, he's just in your reporting this week, have
Speaker 1: you have you turned up in any nuggets you want
Speaker 1: to spoil by sharing them on this podcast.
Speaker 4: No, nothing that has really been out there. A little
Speaker 4: bit for that, I do want to share this. Uh
Speaker 4: Our our friend and colleague, Dylan's your Cheer wrote this
Speaker 4: the other day. It came from a question that Dylan
Speaker 4: asked him. Brian Harmon said something that was spectacularly insightful
Speaker 4: that I've never really thought of before. A friend or
Speaker 4: someone that he knows said to him, tell me, if
Speaker 4: you know this, elem if it's made the rounds enough,
Speaker 4: engage yourself in activities where you lose track of time.
Speaker 4: You know that it was worded much more artfully than that.
Speaker 4: Have you heard that ever in your life or did
Speaker 4: you hear that from Harmon this week?
Speaker 1: Yeah? I did see that quote that you're talking about,
Speaker 1: and he said, that's what happens, and when he practices,
Speaker 1: he just kind of loses track of time. And that's
Speaker 1: always a good sign. You're thirty six years old and
Speaker 1: you've you've made thirty million dollars and you've played in
Speaker 1: three hundred plus tour events and you still have that
Speaker 1: love for it.
Speaker 4: It's great and you can apply it to anything. I
Speaker 4: remember being at baseball games when I was really into baseball,
Speaker 4: where you're of course, baseball is famously not about the
Speaker 4: clock versus a little bit more now but you're just
Speaker 4: so lost in the game, especially to pictures of pitching.
Speaker 4: Well absolutely almost completely lose track of time. Of course
Speaker 4: Los Vegas wants you to do that. They don't give
Speaker 4: me any clocks in the casinos for that exact purpose.
Speaker 4: As Christina and I are Christina and I, we go
Speaker 4: to movies and movie theaters for that same thing. But
Speaker 4: it's so hard to do now because that cell phone.
Speaker 4: You don't know what's happening on the other end of
Speaker 4: the cell phone. But you go into the dark space
Speaker 4: and lose yourself in the movie, lose yourself in the
Speaker 4: baseball game, and use yourself in the practice, lose yourself
Speaker 4: in the round the golf. It was. It was a
Speaker 4: beautiful insight that I never really thought of, and just
Speaker 4: the way that he said it. So I think Brian
Speaker 4: Harmon is a very bright person. I know people want
Speaker 4: to mock the hunting and blah blah blah, I met
Speaker 4: at all hunter. I don't really get it. I do
Speaker 4: think if you hunt the way he says he hunts her, yes,
Speaker 4: you're killing animals where you're going to eat them. You know,
Speaker 4: I hate fish, So I'm not going to speak myself.
Speaker 4: You can do it. You know this I can get
Speaker 4: into it's too much of a thing, but I just
Speaker 4: think that was a spectacular insight into his mind in
Speaker 4: his life really, And you know, I'm always looking to
Speaker 4: try to learn something new, and when he said that,
Speaker 4: I learned something there.
Speaker 1: The one last thing I wanted you to talk about,
Speaker 1: Michael is you've written about this, but it's such a
Speaker 1: great insight. Last Year's Open when there was a celebration
Speaker 1: of champions and Lee Trevino was putting a show on
Speaker 1: in the driver range for Tiger and Jack and others.
Speaker 1: I know Harmon was there watching and you chatted him up.
Speaker 1: What did you take from that conversation, because that's a
Speaker 1: very soulful moment.
Speaker 4: It was neat and it's interesting. So it's two things
Speaker 4: at the same time, Lee Trevino and Brian Harmony hitting
Speaker 4: balls side by side. You know, cours Harmon's left, Intrino's right,
Speaker 4: and so Trina's looking right at him. Trino loves studying
Speaker 4: golf slings and of course missus Lee Travine, and he's
Speaker 4: a genius. He can pick up on a lot of
Speaker 4: technical things. And he started talking about weird foot position
Speaker 4: with Brian Harmon, so in that sense it was technical. Well,
Speaker 4: when I talked for Harmon afterwards, I said, what did
Speaker 4: you really get out of it? And he said, right there,
Speaker 4: he said that it was it was really bad. There
Speaker 4: was no track man in Travino's day, and you can
Speaker 4: see how well he hits the ball today in his
Speaker 4: early eighties. It's not about track man. It's about feeling
Speaker 4: the golf swing. And he said, you know, I consider
Speaker 4: myself a field player. Here's the ultimate field player, even
Speaker 4: though tremendous technical understanding of the golf swing, and I
Speaker 4: need to get away from the numbers and get more
Speaker 4: devoted again to just sort of feeling the way about
Speaker 4: the golf round the golf course, no golf course as
Speaker 4: a group of golf courses, nothing like Link's golf, to
Speaker 4: get your away from track man and just lay the
Speaker 4: shot in front of you with all the tricks that
Speaker 4: your disculsion, including reading wayne reading balance, reading your emotions
Speaker 4: and everything else. So yeah, I have to think I
Speaker 4: would like to think that that moment Travino was helping
Speaker 4: her do what he's doing right now.
Speaker 1: Well, and now he will be linked with Lee Trevino
Speaker 1: forever as a guy who's won the Open Championship and
Speaker 1: Brian Harmon will be at the next celebration of champions
Speaker 1: I mean, what a career upgrade, you know. For Yeah,
Speaker 1: I saw a stat over the last two years he
Speaker 1: had twenty something top tens. I mean, the guy's been
Speaker 1: playing at a high level for a very long time,
Speaker 1: so in that regard, it's not a fluke. It is
Speaker 1: a surprise, but he clearly has the game and he's
Speaker 1: going to be one hell of a wrter copper. I mean,
Speaker 1: to play against someone who hardly misses a shot, makes
Speaker 1: every putt and it just has that grind. I mean,
Speaker 1: that's the that's archetype of the dude you don't want
Speaker 1: to play against in match play.
Speaker 4: He's the first cousin of Justin Leonard and no one
Speaker 4: looks at Justin Lennon was not a dominant player because
Speaker 4: he didn't have the length to be dominant, but he
Speaker 4: had all the tools and he had to hit. And
Speaker 4: you never really hear much of Justin Er anymore. This
Speaker 4: guy's out of that same tuition.
Speaker 1: That's well said. All right, well, Michael, it's been a
Speaker 1: pleasure reading It's been a pleasure reading all your stuff
Speaker 1: this week. Thanks for taking the time to pod, we'll
Speaker 1: have an off camera conversation about the Twilight golf you played,
Speaker 1: because I don't want to hear about that as well.
Speaker 1: And anyways, start typing and thank you, thank you for
Speaker 1: doing this. That was another fire Drill podcast for Michael
Speaker 1: Bamberger from Highlake. This is Alan chip Nick. I'll be
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