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Speaker 1: Good morning, sweet world, and welcome to the No Dunks

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Speaker 1: podcast on the Athletic Network. It's Thursday, June twenty fifth.

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Speaker 1: This is film Session, and today we're discussing the twenty

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Speaker 1: seventeen Kenny Anderson documentary Mister Chibbs. I'm Jay Skeets and

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Speaker 1: joining us on the phone. Today we got mister Mellis, Hello, Hey, Tassy.

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Speaker 1: We got the Bearded one, Trey.

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Speaker 2: Kirby, Hey, hey yo.

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Speaker 1: The international Man of mystery taking it to the Max

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Speaker 1: le Ellis friend, the man making the magic happen.

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Speaker 2: Jd.

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Speaker 1: Hello, there he is, and here we are. Guys. Email

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Speaker 2: Lee.

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Speaker 1: You had on another Greek guest on this week's Pop

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Speaker 1: and Packs, George Carral.

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Speaker 3: Yeah. Ah he was great. Yeah, he was out there

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Speaker 3: in Seattle. He was rocking his Seattle hat and everything,

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Speaker 3: and he told us a couple of great stories. So

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Speaker 3: it was a lot of fun. Like the one time

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Speaker 3: I asked him, I don't know if you guys. Remember

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Speaker 3: he wore a jersey one time on the sidelines when

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Speaker 3: he was coaching, and I asked him about, like how

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Speaker 3: did that happen? And he said he forgot his suit,

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Speaker 3: so he had to put on the jersey and he

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Speaker 3: was hoping that. You know, some of the coaches talked

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Speaker 3: about like why can't coaches wear jerseys and sweatsuits on

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Speaker 3: the side, wrote and Chuck Daily, the legendary Pistons coach,

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Speaker 3: was like, do you guys know how awful you look

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Speaker 3: So that was great. Yeah. A few other good stories

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Speaker 3: as well, just about his days there in Seattle where

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Speaker 3: the Sonics were, you know, one of those teams that

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Speaker 3: if it wasn't for Jordan, probably would have won a

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Speaker 3: championship at some point in the nineties, but weren't able

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Speaker 3: to do it. So I really enjoyed it. Awesome.

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Speaker 1: How was he at guessing the currents the players on

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Speaker 4: Oh?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, he did pretty well, yea ye, yeah, yeah, he

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Speaker 3: did pretty well. He got off to a slow stop there.

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Speaker 3: He couldn't quite remember Harvey Grant we were talking about,

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Speaker 3: come on, the twin brother of a guy for the

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Speaker 3: bulls and he just couldn't get that but off, so

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Speaker 3: that once he started drawling, he was on fire there.

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Speaker 3: So all right, so yeah.

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Speaker 2: It was really good.

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Speaker 1: Well go check that out. It's up on our Instagram

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Speaker 1: page at No Dunk's Ink Lee Poppin' Packs with George

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Speaker 1: carl And you know we're on Facebook at facebook dot

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Speaker 1: com slash No Dunk's Ink. Well, I guess it's official.

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Speaker 3: We're now on Facebook.

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Speaker 1: Okay, an interesting one here for today's film session. Guys,

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Speaker 1: it's been a minute since we've done one of these.

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Speaker 1: We decided to watch twenty seventeen's Mister Chibs. It is

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Speaker 1: a documentary directed by Jill Campbell, stars, of course, Kenny Anderson.

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Speaker 1: The synopsis. Ten years after retirement from a career as

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Speaker 1: a professional athlete, Kenny Anderson finds the basketball is easy,

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Speaker 1: it's life that's hard. Still reeling from his mother's death,

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Speaker 1: into a midlife crisis. Again, this is a heavier movie

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Speaker 1: than we usually do on Film Session. Yeah, you know,

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Speaker 1: we're usually talking about bugs. Bunny versus Michael Jordan and

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Speaker 1: you know, refreshing What did you think, Lee, Why don't

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Speaker 1: But what'd you think, Lee.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, there's a there's sort of a bit of a

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Speaker 5: I mean, he seemed pretty much like an open books

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Speaker 5: I don't think that they shot enough. I don't think

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Speaker 5: but but I don't know. I mean, these are heavy,

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Speaker 6: For sure, I wonder if he even dove into it himself, though.

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Speaker 6: I think that's where the problem lies. I think all

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Speaker 4: Skimming the surface is kind of the definition of what's

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Speaker 4: Like when he mentions he had his addict mother was

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Speaker 1: Of barely That scene is crazy.

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Speaker 4: And you know, maybe Kenny just needs to have some

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Speaker 4: a lot of these things are very painful for Kenny Anderson,

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean even what you were talking about, like

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Speaker 5: Yeah, so the New Jersey kids.

434
00:20:20,240 --> 00:20:21,879
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's odd because.

435
00:20:23,000 --> 00:20:25,800
Speaker 5: He obviously doesn't spend a lot of time with them,

436
00:20:26,000 --> 00:20:28,720
Speaker 5: and he takes them back to LFRAC Is it.

437
00:20:28,760 --> 00:20:30,640
Speaker 1: La fracklie so yah?

438
00:20:30,680 --> 00:20:31,080
Speaker 2: Yeah?

439
00:20:31,320 --> 00:20:37,320
Speaker 5: And is this such a weird relationship because he's kind

440
00:20:37,320 --> 00:20:40,640
Speaker 5: of in their face and he's he's basically putting them

441
00:20:40,680 --> 00:20:43,520
Speaker 5: down because well, the one because the other one doesn't talk.

442
00:20:43,720 --> 00:20:48,040
Speaker 5: Devin doesn't talk, but but Kenny Junior is he is

443
00:20:48,080 --> 00:20:53,000
Speaker 5: speaking quote unquote properly, is like correcting him and uh,

444
00:20:53,240 --> 00:20:56,919
Speaker 5: in his face. But also he clearly loves them, but

445
00:20:57,640 --> 00:21:01,600
Speaker 5: it's he's almost confrontational with him, like like, oh, you're

446
00:21:01,640 --> 00:21:03,800
Speaker 5: a sprinter, but you're not that fast. You couldn't beat

447
00:21:03,840 --> 00:21:06,520
Speaker 5: me when I was in my prime. And his kid

448
00:21:06,600 --> 00:21:09,440
Speaker 5: is basically agreeing with him. And meanwhile, when the kids

449
00:21:09,440 --> 00:21:12,320
Speaker 5: are away from his father from their father, he's like,

450
00:21:12,359 --> 00:21:16,159
Speaker 5: I don't care. I don't have to respect him. I

451
00:21:16,200 --> 00:21:18,280
Speaker 5: don't barely know him. I put up this poster and

452
00:21:18,640 --> 00:21:20,920
Speaker 5: I don't even think about it. It's like I found

453
00:21:20,960 --> 00:21:22,640
Speaker 5: it and I put it up, and he's my dad,

454
00:21:22,680 --> 00:21:25,800
Speaker 5: but he's not. He's not in my life or anything.

455
00:21:26,320 --> 00:21:28,800
Speaker 5: But compare that to how he is with the other

456
00:21:28,960 --> 00:21:32,560
Speaker 5: Kenny Anderson in Florida who plays basketball and he lives with,

457
00:21:33,240 --> 00:21:36,520
Speaker 5: and he is definitely putting a lot of work into

458
00:21:36,680 --> 00:21:41,840
Speaker 5: that relationship to make sure that he doesn't make the

459
00:21:41,840 --> 00:21:46,520
Speaker 5: same mistakes. Not that he wasn't. He wasn't doing that

460
00:21:46,560 --> 00:21:50,200
Speaker 5: with Kenny in New Jersey, like saying, hey, man, where

461
00:21:50,200 --> 00:21:52,959
Speaker 5: a condom? Have you had sex yet? Like he's just

462
00:21:53,240 --> 00:21:55,480
Speaker 5: more in his face and confrontational about it, you know

463
00:21:55,520 --> 00:21:59,200
Speaker 5: what I mean. And it's it's heartbreaking to watch.

464
00:21:59,480 --> 00:22:03,119
Speaker 1: Really, That's exactly what I thought too, especially in the

465
00:22:03,119 --> 00:22:05,760
Speaker 1: scenes in New Jersey where Kenny's taking them around to

466
00:22:05,920 --> 00:22:09,800
Speaker 1: his you know, his old playgrounds and his neighborhoods, and

467
00:22:10,000 --> 00:22:12,600
Speaker 1: you know, basically like playing up like I was the man, right,

468
00:22:12,680 --> 00:22:15,119
Speaker 1: Like you know, he's showing them like, you know, I

469
00:22:15,440 --> 00:22:17,159
Speaker 1: was in the NBA, but and I was a legend

470
00:22:17,160 --> 00:22:19,560
Speaker 1: here and these people, you know, are telling you that

471
00:22:19,640 --> 00:22:21,520
Speaker 1: as well. And it was so crazy. I think I

472
00:22:21,520 --> 00:22:23,679
Speaker 1: forget who it was. But somebody literally says, all the

473
00:22:23,760 --> 00:22:27,399
Speaker 1: kids looked up to chips. Think about how wild that is,

474
00:22:27,480 --> 00:22:32,000
Speaker 1: Like that's being said to these two kids. Yeah, who, Yeah,

475
00:22:32,000 --> 00:22:34,160
Speaker 1: that's their father, but he's not really, He's never really

476
00:22:34,160 --> 00:22:37,439
Speaker 1: been in their life all that much. And you can

477
00:22:37,480 --> 00:22:40,679
Speaker 1: see how they're both the kids like Kenny Junior and definitely,

478
00:22:40,680 --> 00:22:43,920
Speaker 1: like you said, are like, are I don't know, processing

479
00:22:43,960 --> 00:22:47,840
Speaker 1: it differently right, and they're different ages? I get all that. Yeah,

480
00:22:47,880 --> 00:22:51,320
Speaker 1: but wow, yeah, that that that quote really stuck out

481
00:22:51,320 --> 00:22:53,480
Speaker 1: to me. For those like for those kids to I

482
00:22:53,480 --> 00:22:55,480
Speaker 1: don't know, you're like all the kids looked up to him,

483
00:22:55,520 --> 00:22:58,600
Speaker 1: like I don't look up to him, you know, and

484
00:22:58,640 --> 00:23:01,280
Speaker 1: he's my dad or at least I' struggling to figure

485
00:23:01,320 --> 00:23:03,520
Speaker 1: out should I look up to him? And can I now?

486
00:23:03,600 --> 00:23:06,760
Speaker 1: And all that. Yeah, those were powerful scenes, like and

487
00:23:06,800 --> 00:23:09,080
Speaker 1: I don't have kids all you guys do, but that

488
00:23:09,200 --> 00:23:10,600
Speaker 1: even touched me a lot of that stuff.

489
00:23:10,840 --> 00:23:13,399
Speaker 4: Yeah, you can tell that Kenny wants to be a

490
00:23:13,440 --> 00:23:16,240
Speaker 4: good father to his children, but he doesn't necessarily have

491
00:23:16,280 --> 00:23:18,840
Speaker 4: the example from his own life. So when he's actually

492
00:23:18,840 --> 00:23:20,720
Speaker 4: able to spend some time with a few of his

493
00:23:20,800 --> 00:23:24,199
Speaker 4: kids that he hasn't spent a ton of time with,

494
00:23:24,280 --> 00:23:27,040
Speaker 4: it just feels like he's offloading every parental tip that

495
00:23:27,080 --> 00:23:29,360
Speaker 4: he's ever heard that these kids need to learn right,

496
00:23:29,400 --> 00:23:32,760
Speaker 4: And that's I'm you know, I'm sure that that's cathartic

497
00:23:32,800 --> 00:23:35,080
Speaker 4: for him to be able to actually parent his children,

498
00:23:35,119 --> 00:23:38,040
Speaker 4: But for the kids I'm also thinking, you know, they're

499
00:23:38,080 --> 00:23:40,400
Speaker 4: hearing these words and wondering, when's the next time we're

500
00:23:40,400 --> 00:23:42,520
Speaker 4: going to hear this, you know, like what, yes, how

501
00:23:43,040 --> 00:23:48,040
Speaker 4: how committed are you to actually parenting us? Because they

502
00:23:48,040 --> 00:23:49,840
Speaker 4: say at the end, it's difficult to figure out what

503
00:23:49,840 --> 00:23:52,280
Speaker 4: it is to be selfish when you've been selfish your

504
00:23:52,320 --> 00:23:55,320
Speaker 4: whole life. And that's that's the game here for Kenny Anderson.

505
00:23:55,359 --> 00:23:58,359
Speaker 4: How can he give of himself to his children, to

506
00:23:58,400 --> 00:24:01,520
Speaker 4: his community. How can he use what he has done

507
00:24:01,640 --> 00:24:03,680
Speaker 4: in his life, which has been a lot, how can

508
00:24:03,680 --> 00:24:06,520
Speaker 4: you use that to to you know, make people around

509
00:24:06,560 --> 00:24:07,040
Speaker 4: him better?

510
00:24:07,440 --> 00:24:09,960
Speaker 1: Yeah, and not and not just say it, but to

511
00:24:10,000 --> 00:24:12,639
Speaker 1: actually do it. That's the other part. I kept getting

512
00:24:12,680 --> 00:24:16,000
Speaker 1: this vibe of like from up from at times, his wife,

513
00:24:16,200 --> 00:24:20,560
Speaker 1: his current wife, at times, the kids, maybe even some friends.

514
00:24:20,800 --> 00:24:23,200
Speaker 1: I got the vibe at times of people just sort

515
00:24:23,240 --> 00:24:26,920
Speaker 1: of going like rolling their eyes a little bit to Yeah,

516
00:24:26,960 --> 00:24:30,000
Speaker 1: the cameras are here and Kenny's talking the big game.

517
00:24:30,440 --> 00:24:32,200
Speaker 1: But as soon as these cameras are off, like, what's

518
00:24:32,240 --> 00:24:34,320
Speaker 1: gonna happen, what's going to be the action? I don't know,

519
00:24:34,440 --> 00:24:38,119
Speaker 1: maybe that's some there was a part of part of

520
00:24:38,160 --> 00:24:39,879
Speaker 1: that that I took from some of these people reacting

521
00:24:39,880 --> 00:24:40,720
Speaker 1: to him, what were we gonna.

522
00:24:40,520 --> 00:24:43,040
Speaker 3: Say, Yeah, No, I think that more with the mammas

523
00:24:43,080 --> 00:24:45,520
Speaker 3: as well. He's got a lot of them have kind

524
00:24:45,520 --> 00:24:47,800
Speaker 3: of they're sort of shrugging their shoulders and rolling their

525
00:24:47,800 --> 00:24:50,359
Speaker 3: eyes a bit, like, you know, they they kind of

526
00:24:50,359 --> 00:24:52,320
Speaker 3: gave up on Kenny because he just was never around,

527
00:24:52,320 --> 00:24:54,719
Speaker 3: like he might have supported them financially at times. But

528
00:24:55,119 --> 00:24:57,000
Speaker 3: I sort of got the feeling that I think it

529
00:24:57,040 --> 00:25:00,000
Speaker 3: was the first mamma of his kids was kind of

530
00:25:00,119 --> 00:25:03,080
Speaker 3: of like, you know, Kenny's just got so much going on,

531
00:25:03,200 --> 00:25:05,440
Speaker 3: it's hard to know what to believe and when to

532
00:25:05,480 --> 00:25:07,119
Speaker 3: sort of trust him and when you're going to hear

533
00:25:07,119 --> 00:25:09,600
Speaker 3: from him again, because he just can't seem to manage

534
00:25:09,600 --> 00:25:12,240
Speaker 3: all those things, and he keeps on getting himself into trouble,

535
00:25:12,320 --> 00:25:14,159
Speaker 3: you know, by the fact that he's got eight kids.

536
00:25:14,320 --> 00:25:17,199
Speaker 3: I mean, he makes the same mistakes, but things have

537
00:25:17,320 --> 00:25:19,280
Speaker 3: follow a similar pattern. You know. He sort of forlls

538
00:25:19,320 --> 00:25:22,159
Speaker 3: for a girl. He wants that relationship and stability in

539
00:25:22,200 --> 00:25:25,560
Speaker 3: his life, but eventually it just fades away anyway, because

540
00:25:25,920 --> 00:25:29,840
Speaker 3: he generally brings those bad decisions on by himself. And

541
00:25:30,440 --> 00:25:33,000
Speaker 3: I think that those ladies sort of told a similar

542
00:25:33,000 --> 00:25:35,280
Speaker 3: story of just kind of like, yeah, you know, it

543
00:25:35,320 --> 00:25:36,720
Speaker 3: was great for a while, we had a kid, and

544
00:25:36,760 --> 00:25:39,000
Speaker 3: then it was like he just sort of took off

545
00:25:39,000 --> 00:25:42,040
Speaker 3: and we never saw him again. So, you know, those

546
00:25:42,040 --> 00:25:44,720
Speaker 3: are the sorts of things, those demons that he's battling

547
00:25:44,840 --> 00:25:47,359
Speaker 3: later in life now, you know, and he wants to

548
00:25:47,359 --> 00:25:49,280
Speaker 3: make amends for it, but he doesn't seem to know

549
00:25:49,640 --> 00:25:52,480
Speaker 3: how to do that. And I think a lot of

550
00:25:52,520 --> 00:25:54,639
Speaker 3: people question whether or not he'll even be able to

551
00:25:54,640 --> 00:25:56,440
Speaker 3: do it simply because of the life that he's led

552
00:25:56,440 --> 00:25:58,359
Speaker 3: at this point. So I think he you know, I

553
00:25:58,359 --> 00:26:00,520
Speaker 3: think he wants to again in his heart, he wants

554
00:26:00,600 --> 00:26:03,280
Speaker 3: to be a better father figure and a better role model.

555
00:26:03,320 --> 00:26:05,679
Speaker 3: But he's just trying to figure out how to do

556
00:26:05,760 --> 00:26:08,119
Speaker 3: it all when his kids have all grown up and

557
00:26:08,160 --> 00:26:10,439
Speaker 3: moved on anyway, Like they're not they're not babies anymore

558
00:26:10,440 --> 00:26:11,960
Speaker 3: that he's going to be around them. They're in different

559
00:26:11,960 --> 00:26:14,440
Speaker 3: cities and they're in different towns, and it's hard for

560
00:26:14,520 --> 00:26:17,280
Speaker 3: him to be a presence when you know, he's they're

561
00:26:17,320 --> 00:26:18,359
Speaker 3: scattered all over the place.

562
00:26:19,240 --> 00:26:22,080
Speaker 5: Yeah, there's a weird resentment there as well. I mean,

563
00:26:22,119 --> 00:26:26,880
Speaker 5: you're talking there there's eight living, breathing representations of what

564
00:26:26,960 --> 00:26:29,679
Speaker 5: he would call mistakes, Like there are eight mistakes that

565
00:26:29,800 --> 00:26:33,199
Speaker 5: he made in a litany of other mistakes over the

566
00:26:33,240 --> 00:26:35,919
Speaker 5: course of his life, and they're part of the reason

567
00:26:36,000 --> 00:26:39,080
Speaker 5: that he has gone bankrupt. I mean, they're not the

568
00:26:39,119 --> 00:26:44,119
Speaker 5: full reason, obviously, but certainly there's just a resentment there

569
00:26:44,359 --> 00:26:48,440
Speaker 5: that is underlying that. I don't think that when you're

570
00:26:48,440 --> 00:26:51,719
Speaker 5: told by your father, hey, where are condom because basically

571
00:26:51,800 --> 00:26:55,960
Speaker 5: you're saying I regret having you, you know what I mean, Like,

572
00:26:56,560 --> 00:27:00,639
Speaker 5: I mean, it's good advice, but it's still it's it's complicated,

573
00:27:00,680 --> 00:27:02,000
Speaker 5: as I guess what I'm saying.

574
00:27:02,359 --> 00:27:06,880
Speaker 1: Yeah, Lee, you recently had Kenny Iron pop and packs. Yeah,

575
00:27:07,119 --> 00:27:09,560
Speaker 1: I know you're obviously going through cards and talking about

576
00:27:09,600 --> 00:27:11,800
Speaker 1: all the NBA players and his thoughts on them and

577
00:27:11,800 --> 00:27:14,000
Speaker 1: stuff like that. Do we know, like, does Kenny Anderson

578
00:27:14,119 --> 00:27:16,720
Speaker 1: did he did he land a coaching job? You know?

579
00:27:16,840 --> 00:27:19,760
Speaker 1: Since this this documentary, does anybody.

580
00:27:19,359 --> 00:27:22,960
Speaker 3: Know, Well, he's isn't he coaching the men's team? I believe?

581
00:27:24,840 --> 00:27:27,920
Speaker 3: I thought he was coaching somewhere in Florida a men's team,

582
00:27:27,920 --> 00:27:33,040
Speaker 3: I believe, but I'm not sure. Yeah, that's right. Yeah,

583
00:27:33,280 --> 00:27:36,320
Speaker 3: you know, but what I will say about about trying

584
00:27:36,320 --> 00:27:39,120
Speaker 3: to organize when I pop h packs with Kenny. When

585
00:27:39,119 --> 00:27:41,600
Speaker 3: I sent him the first message on Twitter, he responded

586
00:27:41,640 --> 00:27:43,800
Speaker 3: straight away and said, yep, awesome, let's do it. And

587
00:27:43,880 --> 00:27:45,840
Speaker 3: I was excited, obviously, and I said great, and then

588
00:27:45,880 --> 00:27:48,920
Speaker 3: I sent him a follow up message a week later

589
00:27:48,920 --> 00:27:51,440
Speaker 3: on the Wednesday before the Thursday, and I didn't hear

590
00:27:51,440 --> 00:27:53,560
Speaker 3: from him at all, and I was like, that's unusual

591
00:27:53,600 --> 00:27:55,359
Speaker 3: because he you know, he's pretty active on Twitter when

592
00:27:55,359 --> 00:27:57,760
Speaker 3: he's on Twitter, and he's responded in the past. And

593
00:27:57,800 --> 00:27:59,960
Speaker 3: then the next day now he sent out a twit

594
00:28:00,080 --> 00:28:02,680
Speaker 3: he's saying, you know, he was thinking about his mum,

595
00:28:03,000 --> 00:28:05,159
Speaker 3: and I sort of figured that maybe it was the

596
00:28:05,160 --> 00:28:07,439
Speaker 3: anniversary of her passing, but it wasn't, but he was,

597
00:28:07,520 --> 00:28:09,800
Speaker 3: you know, emotional or whatever. And then I just didn't

598
00:28:09,840 --> 00:28:12,639
Speaker 3: hear from him for a few days, and you know,

599
00:28:12,680 --> 00:28:14,840
Speaker 3: I obviously didn't hassle him or anything, but I sort

600
00:28:14,840 --> 00:28:17,000
Speaker 3: of thought, I wonder what happened there, and so I

601
00:28:17,000 --> 00:28:18,800
Speaker 3: sent him another message and I said, you want to

602
00:28:18,840 --> 00:28:21,320
Speaker 3: do this, and he said, oh, sure, what time? And

603
00:28:21,320 --> 00:28:23,200
Speaker 3: then I didn't hear from him again the next day

604
00:28:23,359 --> 00:28:26,280
Speaker 3: and I was kind of like Okay, what's going on here?

605
00:28:26,280 --> 00:28:27,920
Speaker 3: And then so I sort of thought, you know what,

606
00:28:28,160 --> 00:28:30,159
Speaker 3: I'll leave him alone. I'm not going to bother him anymore.

607
00:28:30,160 --> 00:28:31,920
Speaker 3: And then he sent me a message on Twitter a

608
00:28:31,920 --> 00:28:33,199
Speaker 3: couple of days later and said, you want to do

609
00:28:33,240 --> 00:28:36,200
Speaker 3: this tomorrow? And I said sure, and I said let's

610
00:28:36,200 --> 00:28:38,200
Speaker 3: do it at eleven o'clock or he said let's do

611
00:28:38,200 --> 00:28:40,400
Speaker 3: it at eleven o'clock. And so at ten o'clock on

612
00:28:40,440 --> 00:28:42,080
Speaker 3: the Sunday, I sent him a message, I said, are

613
00:28:42,080 --> 00:28:44,360
Speaker 3: we doing this? And he's like, yep. And eleven o'clock

614
00:28:44,400 --> 00:28:46,880
Speaker 3: he wasn't there. Twelve o'clock he wasn't there. And then

615
00:28:46,880 --> 00:28:48,520
Speaker 3: he sent me a message at twelve twenty and said,

616
00:28:48,560 --> 00:28:52,200
Speaker 3: I'm ready whenever you are. So so I sort of

617
00:28:52,200 --> 00:28:53,760
Speaker 3: had to get everything together and we did it. So

618
00:28:53,880 --> 00:28:56,200
Speaker 3: the point of the story is that this was just

619
00:28:56,320 --> 00:28:58,200
Speaker 3: my little experience of trying to keep him on a

620
00:28:58,240 --> 00:29:01,160
Speaker 3: schedule and on a time table. So you can imagine

621
00:29:01,160 --> 00:29:03,520
Speaker 3: what it's like for his other parts of his life,

622
00:29:03,600 --> 00:29:06,080
Speaker 3: how he just can't sort of sort of keep track

623
00:29:06,120 --> 00:29:08,640
Speaker 3: of whether it's time or he's just undisciplined or whatever

624
00:29:08,640 --> 00:29:08,920
Speaker 3: it is.

625
00:29:09,840 --> 00:29:11,320
Speaker 6: That point of the story might be that he's in

626
00:29:11,360 --> 00:29:13,400
Speaker 6: the Central time zone and you guys just screwed up.

627
00:29:16,120 --> 00:29:18,479
Speaker 3: But but you know, again like it, it was like

628
00:29:18,720 --> 00:29:20,360
Speaker 3: sort of annoying for me because he was in and

629
00:29:20,360 --> 00:29:22,080
Speaker 3: then he was out and he went missing. I mean,

630
00:29:22,240 --> 00:29:23,480
Speaker 3: you know, but I can.

631
00:29:23,280 --> 00:29:25,440
Speaker 1: Oh, yeah, do you wonder if that's happened time and

632
00:29:25,480 --> 00:29:27,719
Speaker 1: time and time again Kenny Anderson's life is I think

633
00:29:27,720 --> 00:29:29,760
Speaker 1: what you're getting at, and I would guess, yeah, it

634
00:29:29,840 --> 00:29:30,600
Speaker 1: probably has.

635
00:29:30,800 --> 00:29:32,560
Speaker 3: But then when he did turn off for cards, he

636
00:29:32,600 --> 00:29:34,400
Speaker 3: was great. You know, he's engaging. It was fun. So

637
00:29:34,560 --> 00:29:36,360
Speaker 3: you know, when he's there, he's there. But trying to

638
00:29:36,680 --> 00:29:39,000
Speaker 3: you know, nail him down sometimes is a little bit difficult.

639
00:29:39,040 --> 00:29:41,560
Speaker 3: So again you can imagine when you've got three different

640
00:29:41,600 --> 00:29:43,760
Speaker 3: mums saying, hey, Kenny, where's our money? Your kid wants

641
00:29:43,800 --> 00:29:45,720
Speaker 3: it's his birthday, kid wants to talk to you, and

642
00:29:45,720 --> 00:29:47,760
Speaker 3: he's just sort of like he can't keep on top

643
00:29:47,840 --> 00:29:50,120
Speaker 3: of everything. So you know, his life is a bit

644
00:29:50,240 --> 00:29:51,240
Speaker 3: chaotic in that sense.

645
00:29:51,960 --> 00:29:55,600
Speaker 6: There wasn't any any talk about him feeling on child

646
00:29:55,600 --> 00:29:57,040
Speaker 6: support payments once.

647
00:29:57,200 --> 00:30:01,680
Speaker 2: Right and this no stock no, no, all right, all right.

648
00:30:01,760 --> 00:30:04,760
Speaker 6: The point point for Kenny he got he seems like

649
00:30:04,800 --> 00:30:07,280
Speaker 6: he paid up every single time, it seems like and

650
00:30:07,600 --> 00:30:12,800
Speaker 6: I think financially, I know, he yeah, he obviously claimed bankruptcy,

651
00:30:13,680 --> 00:30:17,200
Speaker 6: but yeah, it didn't seem like he was money was

652
00:30:17,600 --> 00:30:19,640
Speaker 6: quote unquote stolen from him all that much, and he

653
00:30:19,640 --> 00:30:26,160
Speaker 6: didn't fail his his the mother of his children financially, emotionally,

654
00:30:26,240 --> 00:30:31,360
Speaker 6: Oh yeah, supportively, Oh yeah, but uh yeah, he just

655
00:30:32,240 --> 00:30:35,760
Speaker 6: it's it's, it's, it's it's very hard watching his parenting

656
00:30:35,840 --> 00:30:39,360
Speaker 6: style with his different kids and in the different groups,

657
00:30:39,400 --> 00:30:42,480
Speaker 6: and and and when the cameras are turned on and

658
00:30:42,520 --> 00:30:45,440
Speaker 6: he's going through you know, the boroughs in New York

659
00:30:45,480 --> 00:30:48,680
Speaker 6: City and showing the kids that he barely knows the

660
00:30:48,760 --> 00:30:52,800
Speaker 6: life that he can barely really relate to anymore, or

661
00:30:52,840 --> 00:30:54,479
Speaker 6: he really dug deep into it.

662
00:30:54,680 --> 00:30:55,560
Speaker 2: I mean, that's it's.

663
00:30:55,600 --> 00:30:58,160
Speaker 6: It's he's trying to be this parent that he isn't,

664
00:30:58,280 --> 00:31:00,400
Speaker 6: and it's and he's trying to force it on them,

665
00:31:00,440 --> 00:31:05,720
Speaker 6: and it's it's, yeah, it's obviously not him. It's it's

666
00:31:05,760 --> 00:31:08,320
Speaker 6: it's it's put on because he doesn't do this thing.

667
00:31:08,720 --> 00:31:11,160
Speaker 6: And so it's it's very tough to watch him going

668
00:31:11,200 --> 00:31:13,960
Speaker 6: through those burroughs again. And and he brings up a

669
00:31:13,960 --> 00:31:17,200
Speaker 6: point about playing basketball in New Jersey after growing up

670
00:31:17,240 --> 00:31:19,840
Speaker 6: in New York City and that that really hurt him,

671
00:31:19,880 --> 00:31:22,880
Speaker 6: having to to be around, not not just because it's

672
00:31:22,880 --> 00:31:25,000
Speaker 6: a huge it's, you know, the biggest city in the

673
00:31:25,080 --> 00:31:27,800
Speaker 6: United States and there's so much to do, but he

674
00:31:27,880 --> 00:31:30,360
Speaker 6: had to you know, he stayed, He stayed buddies with

675
00:31:30,400 --> 00:31:33,600
Speaker 6: all his buddies, and he he that that same life

676
00:31:33,720 --> 00:31:36,040
Speaker 6: kind of trailed after him after he went back, you know,

677
00:31:36,120 --> 00:31:39,200
Speaker 6: from uh from Georgia tech a quick quick, quick John

678
00:31:39,280 --> 00:31:40,800
Speaker 6: down there and came back to his same life.

679
00:31:40,800 --> 00:31:41,720
Speaker 2: So that really hurt him.

680
00:31:42,080 --> 00:31:45,720
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, I mean you do wonder if is Kenny

681
00:31:45,760 --> 00:31:48,800
Speaker 1: Anderson's NBA career in life in general different if he

682
00:31:48,840 --> 00:31:51,360
Speaker 1: doesn't go to New Jersey second and instead goes to

683
00:31:52,360 --> 00:31:53,560
Speaker 1: the Kings after that.

684
00:31:53,520 --> 00:31:55,920
Speaker 4: Or like maybe Sacramento would have been better.

685
00:31:56,200 --> 00:32:00,160
Speaker 1: Yeah, like you could see why for sure, like all

686
00:32:00,160 --> 00:32:03,040
Speaker 1: those reasons you said test just being around, growing up

687
00:32:03,080 --> 00:32:05,480
Speaker 1: a legend, being the man, and then they're all still

688
00:32:05,520 --> 00:32:08,120
Speaker 1: there and I'm sure they're trying to like get whatever

689
00:32:08,160 --> 00:32:10,360
Speaker 1: they can from you, and you're such a kind hearted guy.

690
00:32:11,120 --> 00:32:13,120
Speaker 1: Kenny appears to be that it's like he's just being

691
00:32:13,120 --> 00:32:16,080
Speaker 1: pulled probably in a million directions and trying to please everybody,

692
00:32:16,200 --> 00:32:18,400
Speaker 1: obviously trying to make money for his mom, who he

693
00:32:18,400 --> 00:32:21,800
Speaker 1: loves dearly and has of course a strange relationship with her,

694
00:32:22,200 --> 00:32:24,280
Speaker 1: you know as well. I mean I think I saw

695
00:32:24,280 --> 00:32:28,520
Speaker 1: the village voice, right. Kenny credits his mom for inspiring

696
00:32:28,560 --> 00:32:31,560
Speaker 1: his achievements, but then, a decade after she's passed, also

697
00:32:31,640 --> 00:32:35,360
Speaker 1: acknowledges that his early success came in spite of her too.

698
00:32:35,480 --> 00:32:37,600
Speaker 1: Write because a Trey, I think you brought it up earlier,

699
00:32:37,600 --> 00:32:40,479
Speaker 1: like basketball was a way for him to escape a

700
00:32:40,560 --> 00:32:44,800
Speaker 1: really rough home life. So yeah, it's it is a

701
00:32:44,840 --> 00:32:47,200
Speaker 1: crazy what if if he goes to Heck if he

702
00:32:47,200 --> 00:32:50,040
Speaker 1: goes you know first overall the shore, I guess, well,

703
00:32:50,120 --> 00:32:52,280
Speaker 1: no one was Larry Johnson was an automatic pick. But yeah,

704
00:32:52,320 --> 00:32:53,640
Speaker 1: he goes to the Kings, he goes to the Nuggets,

705
00:32:53,680 --> 00:32:55,760
Speaker 1: something like that would probably have a different story.

706
00:32:56,080 --> 00:32:58,760
Speaker 4: Yeah, definitely. It's just got to be impossible to be

707
00:32:59,000 --> 00:33:03,000
Speaker 4: a young man who is coming from humble beginnings. You're

708
00:33:03,000 --> 00:33:05,000
Speaker 4: gone for two years, then you're back in the exact

709
00:33:05,040 --> 00:33:08,040
Speaker 4: same place you were, with more money than basically anybody

710
00:33:08,040 --> 00:33:11,520
Speaker 4: you know has ever seen in their life. How do

711
00:33:11,520 --> 00:33:13,560
Speaker 4: you keep it? Love of the game versus love of

712
00:33:13,560 --> 00:33:16,520
Speaker 4: the fame? And that very much seems to be what

713
00:33:16,560 --> 00:33:18,480
Speaker 4: happened to Kenny Anderson is that he got caught up

714
00:33:18,520 --> 00:33:19,960
Speaker 4: in the love of the fame of it. He admits

715
00:33:20,000 --> 00:33:22,160
Speaker 4: it himself. He's like, I stopped working then. My best

716
00:33:22,200 --> 00:33:24,320
Speaker 4: season was when I finally ended up in Portland. I

717
00:33:24,400 --> 00:33:27,720
Speaker 4: stopped drinking and I had a great season. Unfortunately for Kenny,

718
00:33:27,760 --> 00:33:30,840
Speaker 4: it doesn't necessarily settle in during the time that maybe

719
00:33:30,840 --> 00:33:33,320
Speaker 4: if I stopped drinking now and commit myself to basketball

720
00:33:33,360 --> 00:33:34,880
Speaker 4: the way I did in high school, I could be

721
00:33:35,200 --> 00:33:37,400
Speaker 4: at the same level I was in high school. You know,

722
00:33:37,600 --> 00:33:41,200
Speaker 4: it takes people different times to learn different lessons, and

723
00:33:41,240 --> 00:33:43,120
Speaker 4: there's a different rock bottom for everybody.

724
00:33:43,680 --> 00:33:46,240
Speaker 6: And he had that thirty five point game, I believe

725
00:33:46,280 --> 00:33:48,880
Speaker 6: it was, and I think it was the first his

726
00:33:48,960 --> 00:33:53,920
Speaker 6: first mother of his children, said, if you didn't drink

727
00:33:53,920 --> 00:33:55,840
Speaker 6: the night before the game, how many would you have scored?

728
00:33:56,720 --> 00:33:59,000
Speaker 6: He probably would have been a lot better, And he's like, yeah,

729
00:33:59,000 --> 00:34:01,959
Speaker 6: I would have scored fifty.

730
00:34:02,040 --> 00:34:06,080
Speaker 1: Yeah. I mean, look, it's probably there's probably a reason

731
00:34:06,120 --> 00:34:09,279
Speaker 1: why he played for so many teams too, right he was.

732
00:34:09,520 --> 00:34:13,080
Speaker 1: He was good and you would want like obviously a vet,

733
00:34:13,120 --> 00:34:15,480
Speaker 1: a point guard, a guard on your teams if you

734
00:34:15,480 --> 00:34:17,480
Speaker 1: were trying to win series and stuff like that as

735
00:34:17,520 --> 00:34:20,319
Speaker 1: you move forward. But on the same hand, like, you know,

736
00:34:20,320 --> 00:34:22,120
Speaker 1: how many teams did he play for? Nine or something

737
00:34:22,120 --> 00:34:25,239
Speaker 1: like that, you know nine, Yeah, I'm sure there was

738
00:34:25,280 --> 00:34:28,840
Speaker 1: instances the remember, Yeah, Like, I'm sure there was instances

739
00:34:28,840 --> 00:34:31,480
Speaker 1: where there's like, I don't know, maybe he just doesn't

740
00:34:31,480 --> 00:34:34,440
Speaker 1: have it, doesn't have it all together. So see Kenny, Like,

741
00:34:34,680 --> 00:34:35,960
Speaker 1: you know, they don't talk about that in the in

742
00:34:36,000 --> 00:34:37,359
Speaker 1: the dock. I thought that would have been a little

743
00:34:37,360 --> 00:34:39,719
Speaker 1: interesting to explore, like why did you play for so

744
00:34:39,719 --> 00:34:42,879
Speaker 1: many teams? Maybe I'm completely wrong in what I'm saying,

745
00:34:42,880 --> 00:34:45,479
Speaker 1: but I don't know, there's probably something there.

746
00:34:45,800 --> 00:34:48,920
Speaker 3: He ended up he ended up playing with nine teams. Yeah,

747
00:34:48,960 --> 00:34:52,439
Speaker 3: but but six of those like one season or less,

748
00:34:52,560 --> 00:34:55,959
Speaker 3: so I mean a lot of players. Yeah, for sure

749
00:34:56,000 --> 00:34:58,000
Speaker 3: towards the end of his career there, but he was

750
00:34:58,040 --> 00:35:01,480
Speaker 3: actually only in Portland for two seasons, which was a surprise.

751
00:35:01,680 --> 00:35:03,160
Speaker 3: I sort of felt he was there longer, but he

752
00:35:03,160 --> 00:35:05,000
Speaker 3: was in Boston for five. But yeah, you know, he

753
00:35:05,080 --> 00:35:07,440
Speaker 3: signed the big contract there in Portland and things seemed

754
00:35:07,440 --> 00:35:09,280
Speaker 3: to be sort of he almost seemed to get himself

755
00:35:09,360 --> 00:35:12,040
Speaker 3: back on track there, but you know. Then he then

756
00:35:12,040 --> 00:35:14,759
Speaker 3: he moved on there to Boston and again that you know,

757
00:35:14,800 --> 00:35:17,560
Speaker 3: he stayed in Boston a while, but then he started going.

758
00:35:17,600 --> 00:35:20,200
Speaker 3: He said he had a cup of coffee in New Orleans.

759
00:35:20,600 --> 00:35:25,080
Speaker 3: He had that, and no mention of the Raptor's snub though, yeah,

760
00:35:25,160 --> 00:35:26,319
Speaker 3: I thought he's going to bring that up.

761
00:35:26,360 --> 00:35:30,520
Speaker 6: But well, he got traded from Portland because they decided, hey,

762
00:35:30,560 --> 00:35:34,520
Speaker 6: we can get a younger, lefty point guard. Let's let's

763
00:35:34,560 --> 00:35:37,000
Speaker 6: do it and get Damon Stodameier instead. So I don't

764
00:35:37,040 --> 00:35:38,919
Speaker 6: know how much of a black market was against Kenny

765
00:35:38,920 --> 00:35:41,720
Speaker 6: Anderson that they traded him. Could have been, but also

766
00:35:42,440 --> 00:35:45,759
Speaker 6: prospect to getting Mighty Mouse probably a big part of

767
00:35:45,800 --> 00:35:46,680
Speaker 6: that as well.

768
00:35:46,480 --> 00:35:49,399
Speaker 1: We talked about like what, you know, whether Kenny had

769
00:35:49,440 --> 00:35:51,640
Speaker 1: sort of final say over this documentary and what he

770
00:35:51,719 --> 00:35:55,759
Speaker 1: did and didn't want included. If he did, I'm a

771
00:35:55,800 --> 00:35:59,400
Speaker 1: little shocked that in a documentary where he's struggling to

772
00:35:59,400 --> 00:36:01,200
Speaker 1: find a coaching job and he keeps saying he wants

773
00:36:01,200 --> 00:36:03,480
Speaker 1: a coaching job, if he did have final say, I

774
00:36:03,520 --> 00:36:05,719
Speaker 1: thought it was a fascinating then decision to leave in

775
00:36:05,800 --> 00:36:10,800
Speaker 1: the scene where he just unloads on those AAU kids,

776
00:36:11,120 --> 00:36:15,279
Speaker 1: which was another really powerful scene. But now I'm starting

777
00:36:15,280 --> 00:36:17,680
Speaker 1: to think maybe he didn't, because wow, that was What

778
00:36:17,760 --> 00:36:19,359
Speaker 1: do you think of that, JD? Like where he just

779
00:36:19,400 --> 00:36:21,319
Speaker 1: goes ballistic after they lose the game.

780
00:36:22,160 --> 00:36:26,239
Speaker 5: Yeah, it kind of hurts his coaching prospects, I think

781
00:36:26,320 --> 00:36:31,520
Speaker 5: a little bit. But just the you see, the the

782
00:36:31,640 --> 00:36:35,680
Speaker 5: ugly side of his personality, I guess is just the temper,

783
00:36:35,880 --> 00:36:42,800
Speaker 5: like just I mean, they're kids, and I was shocked

784
00:36:42,800 --> 00:36:45,160
Speaker 5: by that shot, like actually shocked.

785
00:36:45,600 --> 00:36:47,960
Speaker 3: And then I think you see like the remorse not

786
00:36:48,040 --> 00:36:50,520
Speaker 3: too long after, where he was kind of like a man. Sorry,

787
00:36:50,520 --> 00:36:52,480
Speaker 3: I bet that, guys, I didn't I didn't mean it. Bet. Yeah.

788
00:36:52,920 --> 00:36:54,560
Speaker 3: When I saw that, Jade, I was the same with you.

789
00:36:54,640 --> 00:36:56,319
Speaker 3: I was like, this is this is a really bad

790
00:36:56,360 --> 00:36:59,360
Speaker 3: look for Kenny to be calling them losers and swearing.

791
00:36:59,400 --> 00:37:01,080
Speaker 3: And then he did even say anything. He just kind

792
00:37:01,080 --> 00:37:03,920
Speaker 3: of walked off, you know, quit on the team. But

793
00:37:03,960 --> 00:37:05,759
Speaker 3: then you know he kind of calms down and he

794
00:37:05,800 --> 00:37:08,920
Speaker 3: comes back and he's kind of remorseful and apologetic, but

795
00:37:09,400 --> 00:37:11,400
Speaker 3: the damage was done too. I think, you know, he

796
00:37:12,040 --> 00:37:14,360
Speaker 3: can't sort of react like that and behave like that

797
00:37:14,440 --> 00:37:17,200
Speaker 3: when you're coaching kids. You know, they lost the game

798
00:37:17,239 --> 00:37:20,120
Speaker 3: and obviously it hurts, but you know, to sort of just,

799
00:37:20,680 --> 00:37:22,560
Speaker 3: you know, drop that bomb on them like that in

800
00:37:22,560 --> 00:37:25,279
Speaker 3: front of everybody, with other parents and stuff around. I

801
00:37:25,320 --> 00:37:27,160
Speaker 3: thought that was a really I thought that was the

802
00:37:27,200 --> 00:37:30,920
Speaker 3: worst scene of the movie. Actually, I found that very uncomfortable.

803
00:37:31,160 --> 00:37:35,760
Speaker 4: Yeah, to me, it still came back to being quite

804
00:37:35,760 --> 00:37:38,640
Speaker 4: concerned with his status and his fame. You know, this

805
00:37:38,680 --> 00:37:41,520
Speaker 4: is a movie about Kenny Anderson. Kenny Anderson's team should

806
00:37:41,520 --> 00:37:44,040
Speaker 4: win the championship here, How dare you guys let.

807
00:37:43,920 --> 00:37:46,080
Speaker 3: Me down in this moment?

808
00:37:46,200 --> 00:37:48,600
Speaker 4: You know, because there are still multiple scenes throughout the

809
00:37:48,640 --> 00:37:52,040
Speaker 4: documentary where people have no idea who Kenny Anderson is

810
00:37:52,080 --> 00:37:55,040
Speaker 4: except for that he must be something. And Kenny's always

811
00:37:55,040 --> 00:37:56,319
Speaker 4: willing to come up to him and be like, yeah,

812
00:37:56,360 --> 00:37:57,880
Speaker 4: you know who I am, Go ahead and look me up.

813
00:37:57,920 --> 00:38:00,319
Speaker 4: You know, he still wants to be known as Kenny

814
00:38:00,360 --> 00:38:03,359
Speaker 4: Anderson from nineteen ninety one, and I.

815
00:38:03,520 --> 00:38:04,200
Speaker 2: Don't blame him.

816
00:38:04,239 --> 00:38:06,680
Speaker 4: You know, that was Yeah, it must be awesome to

817
00:38:06,719 --> 00:38:09,560
Speaker 4: be the most highly recruited player in the entirety of

818
00:38:09,560 --> 00:38:11,640
Speaker 4: the United States, to be a guy who's considered a

819
00:38:11,640 --> 00:38:14,160
Speaker 4: future Hall of Famer and who wants to keep having

820
00:38:14,200 --> 00:38:17,480
Speaker 4: that success, who wants to have that success again as

821
00:38:17,520 --> 00:38:20,279
Speaker 4: a grown man. But you see the battle that he's having.

822
00:38:20,400 --> 00:38:23,600
Speaker 4: He you know, he's so emotional. He berates these kids

823
00:38:23,640 --> 00:38:25,360
Speaker 4: in front of their parents, in front of cameras, and

824
00:38:25,400 --> 00:38:28,040
Speaker 4: then immediately he knows that what he did was wrong.

825
00:38:28,160 --> 00:38:31,400
Speaker 4: He just can't fight that impulse in the very first

826
00:38:31,520 --> 00:38:32,040
Speaker 4: second of.

827
00:38:32,000 --> 00:38:33,560
Speaker 2: It to be so upset about it.

828
00:38:34,400 --> 00:38:38,160
Speaker 6: There are a lot of low points emotionally for Kenny Anderson,

829
00:38:38,600 --> 00:38:41,280
Speaker 6: but there's also a trivial low point that I found

830
00:38:41,360 --> 00:38:43,320
Speaker 6: hard to believe. He went back to his high school.

831
00:38:43,400 --> 00:38:45,440
Speaker 6: You guys talked about that really powerful scene where he

832
00:38:45,520 --> 00:38:49,840
Speaker 6: brings up his mother being lested. He also is wearing

833
00:38:49,840 --> 00:38:51,680
Speaker 6: a visitors pass during that scene.

834
00:38:51,680 --> 00:38:52,279
Speaker 2: You got to wear a.

835
00:38:52,320 --> 00:38:54,040
Speaker 6: Visitors pass to go back to the high school that

836
00:38:54,080 --> 00:38:57,600
Speaker 6: you played in. Didn't like that. Just just let him

837
00:38:57,640 --> 00:39:00,200
Speaker 6: roll in there without a visitor's pass. I know it's procedure.

838
00:39:00,400 --> 00:39:03,560
Speaker 6: I just didn't like seeing visitors pass Kenny Anderson on

839
00:39:03,640 --> 00:39:06,279
Speaker 6: his h on his shirt when when he was he

840
00:39:06,400 --> 00:39:07,840
Speaker 6: was talking to those kids, but.

841
00:39:09,880 --> 00:39:12,239
Speaker 3: Didn't have to get a visitors possible and he went back,

842
00:39:12,239 --> 00:39:14,040
Speaker 3: did he No, sir.

843
00:39:14,960 --> 00:39:17,280
Speaker 5: It's funny you mentioned that. I wonder if that had

844
00:39:17,880 --> 00:39:21,239
Speaker 5: if that had an effect on his psyche because there's

845
00:39:21,280 --> 00:39:23,400
Speaker 5: a there's a shot of him walking through the cafeteria

846
00:39:23,440 --> 00:39:25,840
Speaker 5: and everybody is cheering and stuff. But then when he

847
00:39:25,880 --> 00:39:28,200
Speaker 5: walks into the gym and the kids are all sitting

848
00:39:28,239 --> 00:39:31,480
Speaker 5: there and he just he walks in there like this

849
00:39:31,520 --> 00:39:35,120
Speaker 5: is my gym, you know, like ye, and then he's

850
00:39:35,120 --> 00:39:37,759
Speaker 5: giving them a little pep talk. This is different from

851
00:39:37,800 --> 00:39:41,960
Speaker 5: the camp. But again, he's reduced to tears pretty quickly after.

852
00:39:42,960 --> 00:39:44,719
Speaker 5: I can't remember what it was. I think he was

853
00:39:44,760 --> 00:39:46,360
Speaker 5: just he was like, it's such an honor to be

854
00:39:46,400 --> 00:39:49,480
Speaker 5: here standing here talking to you guys, and he's reduced

855
00:39:49,480 --> 00:39:53,279
Speaker 5: to tears. It's just to go from that bravado and

856
00:39:53,360 --> 00:39:57,640
Speaker 5: that this is my house to just just a mess, uh,

857
00:39:58,640 --> 00:40:01,720
Speaker 5: just talking to the kids. It's it's fascinating to watch

858
00:40:02,360 --> 00:40:02,719
Speaker 5: m HM.

859
00:40:03,040 --> 00:40:05,680
Speaker 6: And you can tell because of those those tiers that

860
00:40:05,760 --> 00:40:08,560
Speaker 6: this is these are the moments where he's definitely going

861
00:40:08,640 --> 00:40:11,840
Speaker 6: back to all these places for the first time. Like so,

862
00:40:11,920 --> 00:40:15,600
Speaker 6: I think that's pretty authentic from the from the filmmaker.

863
00:40:15,200 --> 00:40:17,720
Speaker 2: Like it's there, there was no prep.

864
00:40:17,800 --> 00:40:24,000
Speaker 6: There's definitely Kenny's going into these these different scenarios for real,

865
00:40:24,360 --> 00:40:27,439
Speaker 6: and and you can feel that you're right about that, Jadi.

866
00:40:27,520 --> 00:40:30,600
Speaker 6: There's a there's a lot of times where Kenny Anderson

867
00:40:30,600 --> 00:40:36,280
Speaker 6: gets emotional because he's again probably just exploring these situations

868
00:40:36,320 --> 00:40:38,680
Speaker 6: and these emotions and and all of his regrets for

869
00:40:38,719 --> 00:40:41,800
Speaker 6: the first time and hasn't even though he has talked

870
00:40:41,880 --> 00:40:45,879
Speaker 6: he did, if I'm not mistaken, briefly mentioned talk talk

871
00:40:45,920 --> 00:40:49,880
Speaker 6: about going to a therapist. Uh, he didn't do a

872
00:40:49,920 --> 00:40:52,640
Speaker 6: lot of that. It sure feels like he didn't go

873
00:40:52,719 --> 00:40:55,600
Speaker 6: through enough of all that baggage.

874
00:40:56,000 --> 00:40:59,680
Speaker 1: Yeah, you're right. When he goes into these old locations

875
00:40:59,719 --> 00:41:02,640
Speaker 1: where he was, you know, the high school prodigy, you

876
00:41:02,680 --> 00:41:05,839
Speaker 1: can feel like memories just flooding back to him right,

877
00:41:05,920 --> 00:41:10,000
Speaker 1: both good and bad, which is making him in talking

878
00:41:10,040 --> 00:41:11,960
Speaker 1: to a lot of these kids or these people from

879
00:41:11,960 --> 00:41:13,680
Speaker 1: his past, like making him so emotional.

880
00:41:13,680 --> 00:41:14,120
Speaker 2: It's wild.

881
00:41:14,600 --> 00:41:18,520
Speaker 1: Any any other random observations, I know when we usually

882
00:41:18,520 --> 00:41:20,640
Speaker 1: do random observations, we get a little silly with these

883
00:41:20,680 --> 00:41:22,799
Speaker 1: movies might be a little different here. I did, like,

884
00:41:22,880 --> 00:41:25,239
Speaker 1: I mean, I'll bring up one to lighten the mood

885
00:41:25,239 --> 00:41:29,600
Speaker 1: a little bit. I loved the Kenny Anderson art that

886
00:41:29,640 --> 00:41:32,680
Speaker 1: he showed off in his apartment the one time where

887
00:41:32,680 --> 00:41:36,280
Speaker 1: it's got him playing for all those nine teams where

888
00:41:36,400 --> 00:41:38,640
Speaker 1: it's like a really cool drawing. He's like he's in

889
00:41:38,680 --> 00:41:40,839
Speaker 1: the middle as a net, and then it's sort of like,

890
00:41:41,680 --> 00:41:43,759
Speaker 1: you know, the more prominent ones like the Celtics and

891
00:41:43,760 --> 00:41:45,879
Speaker 1: the Blazers are there, but then all these other teams too.

892
00:41:46,239 --> 00:41:48,040
Speaker 1: That's just like I want that. I got to get

893
00:41:48,040 --> 00:41:51,279
Speaker 1: a version of that in my apartment. I already told Nora,

894
00:41:51,320 --> 00:41:54,000
Speaker 1: we're getting that commission. It's like me on the starter

895
00:41:54,200 --> 00:41:58,880
Speaker 1: set in Toronto with tests in JD's.

896
00:41:58,719 --> 00:42:02,719
Speaker 3: Living room, a cup of coffee with the free agents as.

897
00:42:02,680 --> 00:42:06,520
Speaker 1: Well, exactly now me just sitting in this office talking

898
00:42:06,520 --> 00:42:10,000
Speaker 1: to you guys during quarantine. I'm definitely getting that commissioned.

899
00:42:10,040 --> 00:42:12,279
Speaker 1: So somebody out there could draw that for me. Let's talk.

900
00:42:12,360 --> 00:42:16,120
Speaker 1: I'm willing to pay good money. The other random observations

901
00:42:16,160 --> 00:42:18,279
Speaker 1: I have before we open it up. You know, I

902
00:42:18,400 --> 00:42:21,080
Speaker 1: I don't even know if I knew this really, if

903
00:42:21,120 --> 00:42:23,040
Speaker 1: I'm being quite honest, but maybe it was somewhere in

904
00:42:23,080 --> 00:42:25,759
Speaker 1: the back of my mind that that he dated or

905
00:42:26,160 --> 00:42:27,719
Speaker 1: he wasn't married to her, but yeah, I guess dated

906
00:42:27,800 --> 00:42:32,680
Speaker 1: DJ Spinderella from Sulty Peppa. It's like, whoa, Yeah, that

907
00:42:32,800 --> 00:42:34,960
Speaker 1: was the thing that happened in Kenny Anderson's.

908
00:42:34,520 --> 00:42:37,920
Speaker 6: Life, and I forgot that she was named DJ Spinderella.

909
00:42:37,920 --> 00:42:39,360
Speaker 6: I just Spinderella.

910
00:42:39,600 --> 00:42:41,439
Speaker 1: Yeah, I guess that's true.

911
00:42:41,480 --> 00:42:41,759
Speaker 3: I don't know.

912
00:42:41,760 --> 00:42:44,919
Speaker 1: Maybe I'm adding that the only other thing I had

913
00:42:44,960 --> 00:42:46,680
Speaker 1: to add. And it's not really funny, but it's just

914
00:42:46,719 --> 00:42:50,040
Speaker 1: like when I closed my eyes a few times watching

915
00:42:50,040 --> 00:42:52,360
Speaker 1: this documentary when Kenny was just talking to the camera

916
00:42:52,600 --> 00:42:56,840
Speaker 1: any sort of confessional, he sounded so much like Kobe Bryant.

917
00:42:56,880 --> 00:43:00,719
Speaker 1: To me at times it was insane if anybody else

918
00:43:00,719 --> 00:43:03,120
Speaker 1: picked that up, Like there are a couple just his

919
00:43:03,280 --> 00:43:06,719
Speaker 1: keydence and how he talked was so Kolby like it

920
00:43:06,840 --> 00:43:10,040
Speaker 1: was wild to me. That's all I got. Any other

921
00:43:10,120 --> 00:43:10,879
Speaker 1: random master vision.

922
00:43:11,600 --> 00:43:13,480
Speaker 3: I'm going to go back and listen again actually now,

923
00:43:13,760 --> 00:43:15,280
Speaker 3: because he does have a distinct voice.

924
00:43:15,680 --> 00:43:19,839
Speaker 1: Yes, yes, I'm telling you there's it's his speech pattern too,

925
00:43:20,200 --> 00:43:22,279
Speaker 1: very like Kolbe MJ. Like I mean, obviously Kobe at

926
00:43:22,280 --> 00:43:23,239
Speaker 1: times was doing an MG.

927
00:43:23,280 --> 00:43:26,680
Speaker 3: But yeah, yeah, I don't know if anyone noticed. It

928
00:43:26,719 --> 00:43:28,279
Speaker 3: was one of the very first scenes when he jumps

929
00:43:28,320 --> 00:43:31,040
Speaker 3: in his car and he uses a breathalyzer. Did you

930
00:43:31,080 --> 00:43:35,000
Speaker 3: see how many things he had stuffed underneath his son visor.

931
00:43:34,760 --> 00:43:35,680
Speaker 1: Yeah, I did.

932
00:43:35,360 --> 00:43:35,600
Speaker 3: I did.

933
00:43:36,400 --> 00:43:36,960
Speaker 1: I like that.

934
00:43:38,440 --> 00:43:41,520
Speaker 3: I was like, what the hell is all that? It's

935
00:43:41,560 --> 00:43:43,920
Speaker 3: like that scene from Seinfeld where George has his wallet

936
00:43:43,960 --> 00:43:47,040
Speaker 3: and it's just with everything, and I'm like, what is

937
00:43:47,120 --> 00:43:49,560
Speaker 3: up there? I mean, is that just like parking? You know,

938
00:43:50,120 --> 00:43:51,719
Speaker 3: like tickets when you go to a place in that

939
00:43:51,760 --> 00:43:53,040
Speaker 3: But I'm like, why would you keep them?

940
00:43:53,080 --> 00:43:53,279
Speaker 2: White?

941
00:43:53,320 --> 00:43:54,160
Speaker 3: Is stuff up there?

942
00:43:54,200 --> 00:43:59,120
Speaker 1: I mean, that's crazy. There's people that do that like that.

943
00:43:59,160 --> 00:44:01,440
Speaker 4: Growing up, for sure, was like every single piece of

944
00:44:01,440 --> 00:44:04,560
Speaker 4: paper she ever received when in her car, for whatever reason,

945
00:44:04,719 --> 00:44:06,080
Speaker 4: was on top of.

946
00:44:05,960 --> 00:44:10,239
Speaker 6: The Yeah, it's way it's way worse when people put

947
00:44:10,280 --> 00:44:12,719
Speaker 6: it over top of the dashboard in between the windshield

948
00:44:13,280 --> 00:44:15,359
Speaker 6: and the dash like people just throw it.

949
00:44:15,280 --> 00:44:16,880
Speaker 2: There and it just sticks forever.

950
00:44:17,320 --> 00:44:18,480
Speaker 3: But what are people keeping?

951
00:44:18,520 --> 00:44:20,439
Speaker 4: What I mean if you never know when you're gonna

952
00:44:20,480 --> 00:44:21,760
Speaker 4: need your McMuffin.

953
00:44:21,320 --> 00:44:24,319
Speaker 6: Receipt man, you know right, It's just like it's just

954
00:44:24,360 --> 00:44:27,640
Speaker 6: like JD still has a mail from when we lived

955
00:44:27,640 --> 00:44:28,200
Speaker 6: in Toronto.

956
00:44:28,280 --> 00:44:29,919
Speaker 2: Sorry, gend you just.

957
00:44:29,920 --> 00:44:35,920
Speaker 6: Keep not me, but some people that would drive me crazy.

958
00:44:36,040 --> 00:44:39,600
Speaker 3: That's that's one of the car, not a spotless car.

959
00:44:39,640 --> 00:44:41,719
Speaker 3: But I certainly wouldn't keep things up there for that

960
00:44:41,800 --> 00:44:43,359
Speaker 3: long it's like if it's in there for a couple

961
00:44:43,400 --> 00:44:47,719
Speaker 3: of days, then it's out. It doesn't Yeah, man, I

962
00:44:47,800 --> 00:44:49,800
Speaker 3: just thought it was wild. It's like what it is.

963
00:44:49,880 --> 00:44:51,200
Speaker 3: I mean, when you get to the next thing and

964
00:44:51,200 --> 00:44:52,799
Speaker 3: he stuffs it up there, what if they all just

965
00:44:52,880 --> 00:44:55,600
Speaker 3: come down on him, you know, like hilariously, it all

966
00:44:55,600 --> 00:44:58,040
Speaker 3: comes down because it's too fat, it's too many things

967
00:44:58,040 --> 00:44:58,359
Speaker 3: in there.

968
00:44:59,239 --> 00:45:01,560
Speaker 6: Your leaders in keep stuff in his car because he

969
00:45:01,719 --> 00:45:04,280
Speaker 6: changes out his toilet brushes every couple of months.

970
00:45:04,280 --> 00:45:07,440
Speaker 2: He's changed. No way he's keeping.

971
00:45:07,200 --> 00:45:12,200
Speaker 6: Stuff in his car. Random point I'd like to throw

972
00:45:12,239 --> 00:45:16,520
Speaker 6: in there. And I say point because we've debated whether

973
00:45:16,600 --> 00:45:18,720
Speaker 6: or not you're playing ball and you can say game

974
00:45:18,760 --> 00:45:22,120
Speaker 6: point or or you say point game. What term do

975
00:45:22,160 --> 00:45:24,200
Speaker 6: you use? And Kenny grew up in Queens, grew up

976
00:45:24,200 --> 00:45:26,440
Speaker 6: in New York City, and one time he's on the

977
00:45:26,440 --> 00:45:30,520
Speaker 6: floor he calls it point game as well. So it's

978
00:45:30,560 --> 00:45:32,640
Speaker 6: a regional thing, I guess. But we got accepted. If

979
00:45:32,640 --> 00:45:34,040
Speaker 6: New York City doesn't got.

980
00:45:33,840 --> 00:45:35,960
Speaker 1: Accepted, that's game, point is point game.

981
00:45:35,960 --> 00:45:36,640
Speaker 2: It's all the same.

982
00:45:38,239 --> 00:45:38,879
Speaker 1: Anything else.

983
00:45:39,400 --> 00:45:41,759
Speaker 4: A couple of college things that I thought were great.

984
00:45:42,560 --> 00:45:44,600
Speaker 4: First of all the fact they had three twenty point

985
00:45:44,640 --> 00:45:48,960
Speaker 4: per game scorers on a college team. Incredible number two

986
00:45:49,200 --> 00:45:51,600
Speaker 4: three D. Has he been the best teammate that every

987
00:45:51,600 --> 00:45:54,399
Speaker 4: single basketball player has ever had. That guy's smiling every

988
00:45:54,400 --> 00:45:55,480
Speaker 4: time you see him on camera.

989
00:45:55,760 --> 00:45:57,279
Speaker 1: Yeah, that was great.

990
00:45:57,680 --> 00:46:01,200
Speaker 4: Also loved the scene where where Kenny goes back to

991
00:46:01,239 --> 00:46:04,960
Speaker 4: watch his game versus Bobby Hurley, with Bobby Hurley and

992
00:46:05,040 --> 00:46:07,000
Speaker 4: his entire team of basketball players.

993
00:46:07,040 --> 00:46:07,799
Speaker 3: I thought that was really cool.

994
00:46:07,840 --> 00:46:10,440
Speaker 4: The way they're kind of breaking down the film in

995
00:46:10,520 --> 00:46:12,480
Speaker 4: the highlight room, and you know, they keep running back.

996
00:46:12,480 --> 00:46:14,759
Speaker 4: The incredible crossover he has where he shakes Hurley. I

997
00:46:14,760 --> 00:46:15,439
Speaker 4: thought that was cool.

998
00:46:15,640 --> 00:46:18,000
Speaker 3: Yeah. I liked a couple of times when you did

999
00:46:18,080 --> 00:46:19,799
Speaker 3: see him, like towards the end there as well, where

1000
00:46:19,800 --> 00:46:21,400
Speaker 3: he's on the court and he's shooting it up and

1001
00:46:22,000 --> 00:46:23,640
Speaker 3: you know, he's still got the love of the game,

1002
00:46:23,760 --> 00:46:26,760
Speaker 3: like he still just loves basketball and he still enjoys

1003
00:46:26,800 --> 00:46:29,360
Speaker 3: being out there, And I thought, I thought, ultimately, you know,

1004
00:46:29,600 --> 00:46:32,360
Speaker 3: basketball has been his life. That's where he's gotten everything

1005
00:46:32,400 --> 00:46:35,719
Speaker 3: from good and bad. But you know, when he's out

1006
00:46:35,760 --> 00:46:37,400
Speaker 3: there on the court, he's still talking a little bit

1007
00:46:37,440 --> 00:46:39,399
Speaker 3: of trash, he's still knocking down the shot. He still

1008
00:46:39,640 --> 00:46:41,839
Speaker 3: his shot looked exactly the same by the way too,

1009
00:46:42,680 --> 00:46:44,560
Speaker 3: and I thought his son. I thought his son, Kenny

1010
00:46:44,840 --> 00:46:47,600
Speaker 3: also had a similar shot to his dad, So you know,

1011
00:46:48,200 --> 00:46:49,640
Speaker 3: I thought that was fun, but it was sort of

1012
00:46:49,960 --> 00:46:52,759
Speaker 3: you know, considering it what he's been through. I just

1013
00:46:52,920 --> 00:46:54,640
Speaker 3: liked the end bit there where he was still getting

1014
00:46:54,719 --> 00:46:56,640
Speaker 3: joy just from playing basketball with his kids.

1015
00:46:57,120 --> 00:46:57,319
Speaker 2: Yeah.

1016
00:46:57,360 --> 00:47:00,360
Speaker 5: I liked when he's walking through the gym near the

1017
00:47:00,400 --> 00:47:04,440
Speaker 5: end of the movie and we come across Kenny Smith

1018
00:47:04,520 --> 00:47:07,120
Speaker 5: doing tricep dips against the base.

1019
00:47:06,960 --> 00:47:07,839
Speaker 3: Of the thing.

1020
00:47:08,320 --> 00:47:12,080
Speaker 5: So when we arrive you can see him in the

1021
00:47:12,080 --> 00:47:15,000
Speaker 5: bottom of this shot. He's got his feet are very

1022
00:47:15,000 --> 00:47:19,120
Speaker 5: close to the base of which is the easy way

1023
00:47:19,160 --> 00:47:21,200
Speaker 5: of doing dips. But as soon as he sees there's

1024
00:47:21,200 --> 00:47:24,160
Speaker 5: a camera on him, he extends those legs all the

1025
00:47:24,200 --> 00:47:24,880
Speaker 5: way out.

1026
00:47:25,239 --> 00:47:33,960
Speaker 3: It's like, it's like David Brent, I love it.

1027
00:47:34,360 --> 00:47:38,240
Speaker 6: Let's talk about where he got his nickname Chibs, because

1028
00:47:38,239 --> 00:47:41,560
Speaker 6: I had no idea, And apparently it was when his

1029
00:47:41,640 --> 00:47:45,759
Speaker 6: mother gave birth to him, and while in pregnancy, a

1030
00:47:45,760 --> 00:47:48,319
Speaker 6: woman can't eat. So apparently this is what Kenny said

1031
00:47:48,320 --> 00:47:49,959
Speaker 6: that as soon as she gave birth, she had food

1032
00:47:49,960 --> 00:47:52,000
Speaker 6: in her mouth. She was stuff in her face with something,

1033
00:47:52,360 --> 00:47:55,680
Speaker 6: and she commented on Kenny's big cheeks, but she sounded

1034
00:47:55,800 --> 00:47:59,560
Speaker 6: like she said trips so chibs stuck.

1035
00:47:59,680 --> 00:48:01,440
Speaker 2: For from Earth?

1036
00:48:02,040 --> 00:48:02,120
Speaker 4: What?

1037
00:48:02,440 --> 00:48:04,680
Speaker 2: Yeah? Why see?

1038
00:48:04,719 --> 00:48:07,880
Speaker 6: I just we heard spud web But also you know

1039
00:48:08,400 --> 00:48:10,200
Speaker 6: we had him on the Starters back when you're wearing

1040
00:48:10,200 --> 00:48:11,680
Speaker 6: a Starter's jersey, there skeets.

1041
00:48:12,120 --> 00:48:12,239
Speaker 3: Uh.

1042
00:48:13,200 --> 00:48:15,359
Speaker 6: You know when guys, when guys throw in their their

1043
00:48:15,440 --> 00:48:18,320
Speaker 6: nickname stories that stick for life, like I almost don't

1044
00:48:18,320 --> 00:48:21,319
Speaker 6: believe them. But Spud, I guess was a little bit

1045
00:48:21,320 --> 00:48:23,479
Speaker 6: more believable. It was it was.

1046
00:48:25,160 --> 00:48:30,279
Speaker 2: What was that one? That was? Who cares? Gotta go

1047
00:48:30,320 --> 00:48:32,000
Speaker 2: back and watch last point.

1048
00:48:32,080 --> 00:48:36,600
Speaker 6: I think JD you will, you'll you'll probably cringe hearing

1049
00:48:36,640 --> 00:48:41,160
Speaker 6: these these little moments that I caught. And this probably

1050
00:48:41,200 --> 00:48:43,759
Speaker 6: has to do with budget guys not being miked in

1051
00:48:43,840 --> 00:48:46,440
Speaker 6: the cigar store while they're shooting the Breeze with Kenny

1052
00:48:46,520 --> 00:48:47,960
Speaker 6: and you can't hear what they're saying.

1053
00:48:48,719 --> 00:48:49,759
Speaker 2: Uh.

1054
00:48:49,840 --> 00:48:52,000
Speaker 6: In the back of a cap, Kenny Anderson is on

1055
00:48:52,120 --> 00:48:55,880
Speaker 6: the phone. He's left handed and the camera is on

1056
00:48:55,960 --> 00:48:58,120
Speaker 6: his left side, so you can't see his face. You

1057
00:48:58,320 --> 00:49:02,040
Speaker 6: gotta know if you're if your subject is left handed

1058
00:49:02,120 --> 00:49:06,080
Speaker 6: or right handed. Come on, and Kenny Junior was out

1059
00:49:06,120 --> 00:49:09,120
Speaker 6: of focus. A couple of times in the in the kitchen.

1060
00:49:09,760 --> 00:49:11,680
Speaker 2: Let's let's get that right. You got to fix that.

1061
00:49:12,440 --> 00:49:16,240
Speaker 5: Come on, it's a documentary on the mother in that chat,

1062
00:49:16,360 --> 00:49:17,359
Speaker 5: weren't they.

1063
00:49:17,239 --> 00:49:23,359
Speaker 2: They were they were, Yeah, you're right, you're right. The one.

1064
00:49:23,719 --> 00:49:26,040
Speaker 1: Just one other scene I think somebody slipped it in here.

1065
00:49:26,080 --> 00:49:30,239
Speaker 1: But I thought was fascinating was Kenny's meeting with David Fock.

1066
00:49:31,880 --> 00:49:34,960
Speaker 1: You know him, like, you know, he's spiraling right, He's like,

1067
00:49:35,000 --> 00:49:39,040
Speaker 1: where I need some help basically, and David Fox, Yeah,

1068
00:49:39,080 --> 00:49:41,759
Speaker 1: recommending that man, you should be a life coach for

1069
00:49:41,800 --> 00:49:46,879
Speaker 1: the Union, and which is a strong recommendation I think

1070
00:49:46,960 --> 00:49:49,480
Speaker 1: makes a lot of sense. Of course, using your experiences

1071
00:49:49,480 --> 00:49:51,279
Speaker 1: in your life and trying to steer these other young

1072
00:49:51,320 --> 00:49:54,040
Speaker 1: guys in the right directions. Maybe don't do what I did,

1073
00:49:54,160 --> 00:49:56,840
Speaker 1: or do this differently. And it's I like that I

1074
00:49:56,920 --> 00:49:58,520
Speaker 1: thought I thought it was. I thought it was someone

1075
00:49:58,560 --> 00:50:02,800
Speaker 1: being really frank with Kenny Anderson, which I think he needed,

1076
00:50:04,160 --> 00:50:07,600
Speaker 1: and it's probably the right approach. But I like also

1077
00:50:07,760 --> 00:50:11,120
Speaker 1: knowing that the league, you know, in the nineties, they

1078
00:50:11,120 --> 00:50:14,760
Speaker 1: didn't have these sort of like programs right for rookies

1079
00:50:14,920 --> 00:50:17,960
Speaker 1: to to learn the ropes and be like, oh my god,

1080
00:50:17,960 --> 00:50:20,600
Speaker 1: you're gonna be handed millions of dollars, and the vultures

1081
00:50:20,640 --> 00:50:23,399
Speaker 1: are gonna come, women are gonna come. You know, there's

1082
00:50:23,440 --> 00:50:26,920
Speaker 1: gonna be booze and drugs and all that. Like different

1083
00:50:26,920 --> 00:50:29,839
Speaker 1: time in the nineties for Kenny Anderson compared to let's say,

1084
00:50:29,840 --> 00:50:31,319
Speaker 1: you know, in the last ten years or whatever. They

1085
00:50:31,360 --> 00:50:35,560
Speaker 1: implemented those programs to like help these kids, and so

1086
00:50:35,600 --> 00:50:38,720
Speaker 1: just kudos to the NBA for recognizing that and putting

1087
00:50:38,760 --> 00:50:40,560
Speaker 1: that in place, because I'm sure it's I'm sure it's

1088
00:50:40,560 --> 00:50:43,680
Speaker 1: helped a lot of a lot of young NBA stars

1089
00:50:43,880 --> 00:50:47,560
Speaker 1: for sure, Just to have some guidance and just be

1090
00:50:47,600 --> 00:50:49,120
Speaker 1: ready for a lot of this stuff that's gonna be

1091
00:50:49,120 --> 00:50:51,359
Speaker 1: thrown at you, because yeah, it's gonna be one hell of.

1092
00:50:51,280 --> 00:50:51,880
Speaker 2: A gut punch.

1093
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Speaker 4: All right.

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Speaker 1: Okay, so critics score for mister Chibs. It is on

1114
00:52:11,640 --> 00:52:18,200
Speaker 1: Rotten Tomatoes. Just the critics score, no audience score. Some

1115
00:52:18,239 --> 00:52:21,280
Speaker 1: people like we've talked about here. Some of the reviews

1116
00:52:21,280 --> 00:52:24,600
Speaker 1: were like, you know. A New York Times film critic

1117
00:52:24,640 --> 00:52:29,120
Speaker 1: Daniel Gold wrote, the film like its subject frustrates in

1118
00:52:29,160 --> 00:52:32,040
Speaker 1: its ability, inability excuse me to focus. There's no deep

1119
00:52:32,080 --> 00:52:35,640
Speaker 1: inquiry into what makes Kenny tick, it's like skimming a

1120
00:52:35,680 --> 00:52:38,200
Speaker 1: stone across the lake, and you know, so we've already

1121
00:52:38,200 --> 00:52:39,840
Speaker 1: addressed that. So that seems to be sort of the

1122
00:52:39,880 --> 00:52:41,719
Speaker 1: biggest backlash to it, and other people are like, no,

1123
00:52:41,760 --> 00:52:43,480
Speaker 1: this is a pretty damn raw and pretty wild to

1124
00:52:43,480 --> 00:52:47,440
Speaker 1: see a former NBAL star in a midlife crisis. You know,

1125
00:52:47,480 --> 00:52:49,520
Speaker 1: at times at least open up on camera about it.

1126
00:52:49,560 --> 00:52:52,879
Speaker 1: So let's grade it. You think it's higher than forty

1127
00:52:52,880 --> 00:52:54,480
Speaker 1: three percent trail when we start with you, what do

1128
00:52:54,520 --> 00:52:55,239
Speaker 1: you got for this one?

1129
00:52:57,480 --> 00:52:59,680
Speaker 4: I think that the New York Times review is pretty

1130
00:52:59,760 --> 00:53:02,719
Speaker 4: much right on. You know, this is very much a

1131
00:53:02,760 --> 00:53:06,000
Speaker 4: warts and all documentary of a former superstar going through

1132
00:53:06,040 --> 00:53:09,680
Speaker 4: a midlife crisis. They don't shy away from all of

1133
00:53:09,680 --> 00:53:11,080
Speaker 4: the mistakes that Kenny's made.

1134
00:53:11,120 --> 00:53:11,319
Speaker 6: You know.

1135
00:53:11,400 --> 00:53:13,680
Speaker 3: We have one of his.

1136
00:53:13,680 --> 00:53:17,480
Speaker 4: Children's mothers basically just saying he's a bad dad and

1137
00:53:17,640 --> 00:53:20,120
Speaker 4: we don't care. And that's the way it's always been,

1138
00:53:21,200 --> 00:53:24,760
Speaker 4: you know. And I think that this can serve as

1139
00:53:25,239 --> 00:53:27,120
Speaker 4: I mean, if Kenny Anderson ever gets into life coaching,

1140
00:53:27,160 --> 00:53:30,279
Speaker 4: they should probably show this as part of his thing,

1141
00:53:30,360 --> 00:53:32,879
Speaker 4: to show the struggles that you can have when you

1142
00:53:32,960 --> 00:53:35,759
Speaker 4: get tons of fame and tons of money early in

1143
00:53:35,800 --> 00:53:38,279
Speaker 4: your career and how you're supposed to manage that, and

1144
00:53:38,320 --> 00:53:41,160
Speaker 4: then further, what you do after your career is over

1145
00:53:41,280 --> 00:53:44,120
Speaker 4: the search for your next mission on what you're supposed

1146
00:53:44,120 --> 00:53:46,440
Speaker 4: to do, Because I think Kenny Smith nails something near

1147
00:53:46,480 --> 00:53:49,359
Speaker 4: the end of it. He's like Kenny Anderson, you made it. Man.

1148
00:53:49,440 --> 00:53:51,239
Speaker 4: You might not feel like you made it because you

1149
00:53:51,239 --> 00:53:53,480
Speaker 4: didn't live up to the expectations that people had for you,

1150
00:53:53,520 --> 00:53:55,680
Speaker 4: but you made it. Now all you have to do

1151
00:53:55,760 --> 00:53:58,120
Speaker 4: is jump into something. Is it going to be coaching,

1152
00:53:58,360 --> 00:53:59,920
Speaker 4: Is it going to be life coaching, Is it going

1153
00:54:00,120 --> 00:54:02,120
Speaker 4: to be parenting? All you need to do is commit.

1154
00:54:02,200 --> 00:54:04,120
Speaker 4: And I think that that was the biggest takeaway from

1155
00:54:04,120 --> 00:54:07,719
Speaker 4: me as a movie. I'm gonna give it five out

1156
00:54:07,719 --> 00:54:11,879
Speaker 4: of nine. Kenny Anderson teams Okay, okay, so not bad task.

1157
00:54:11,960 --> 00:54:12,400
Speaker 1: What about you?

1158
00:54:14,000 --> 00:54:17,360
Speaker 6: I agree that the Kenny Kenny's always good for a

1159
00:54:17,400 --> 00:54:20,000
Speaker 6: good line. And you know, sticking your toe in the

1160
00:54:20,000 --> 00:54:24,160
Speaker 6: water is just not enough. You gotta go full on splash.

1161
00:54:24,400 --> 00:54:28,520
Speaker 6: And that is definitely what the movie failed to do.

1162
00:54:28,560 --> 00:54:31,279
Speaker 6: It didn't full on splash into a lot of his

1163
00:54:31,640 --> 00:54:35,759
Speaker 6: issues in his life. But as I said earlier, so

1164
00:54:35,880 --> 00:54:39,000
Speaker 6: do a lot of movies that they lack that, but

1165
00:54:39,080 --> 00:54:41,040
Speaker 6: that's hard to do. It's a lot easier to just

1166
00:54:41,120 --> 00:54:44,439
Speaker 6: skim over topics like we do in real life, and

1167
00:54:44,560 --> 00:54:46,720
Speaker 6: during this time where people are saying, you know, cherish

1168
00:54:46,760 --> 00:54:50,080
Speaker 6: those deep conversations that you have with people. It's just

1169
00:54:50,120 --> 00:54:53,279
Speaker 6: hard to do. And I'm sure Kenny is hopeful is

1170
00:54:54,520 --> 00:54:57,400
Speaker 6: has struggled to do that and hopefully doing that in

1171
00:54:57,440 --> 00:55:02,560
Speaker 6: his endeavors now and trying to write things. But it

1172
00:55:02,680 --> 00:55:07,080
Speaker 6: was refreshing that we did see something different for us. Anyways,

1173
00:55:07,080 --> 00:55:10,359
Speaker 6: in terms of our film sessions here, it was pretty rare,

1174
00:55:11,000 --> 00:55:15,879
Speaker 6: and it was Kenny regretting a lot of things and

1175
00:55:15,400 --> 00:55:19,520
Speaker 6: not not just you know, puffing out his chest and

1176
00:55:19,920 --> 00:55:23,520
Speaker 6: claiming that he was a superstar. He regretted things. And

1177
00:55:23,600 --> 00:55:27,719
Speaker 6: so I will give it five trouble quick out of

1178
00:55:28,160 --> 00:55:29,200
Speaker 6: nine as well.

1179
00:55:29,760 --> 00:55:31,640
Speaker 1: Okay, I like how we got agreed with that at nine.

1180
00:55:32,560 --> 00:55:37,080
Speaker 3: Let you Yeah, I enjoyed this movie because I didn't

1181
00:55:37,120 --> 00:55:39,680
Speaker 3: feel that Kenny did try to pretend that things were

1182
00:55:39,680 --> 00:55:42,080
Speaker 3: way better than they were. He went through his struggles,

1183
00:55:42,120 --> 00:55:46,040
Speaker 3: and any sort of documentary that can poke at your emotions,

1184
00:55:46,080 --> 00:55:48,759
Speaker 3: I think is good and I felt, you know, throughout times,

1185
00:55:48,800 --> 00:55:51,200
Speaker 3: I felt sorry for him. Other times he frustrated me

1186
00:55:51,239 --> 00:55:53,000
Speaker 3: and I got upset with him as well. But I

1187
00:55:53,000 --> 00:55:56,640
Speaker 3: think overall, considering where he came from and you know,

1188
00:55:56,680 --> 00:55:58,759
Speaker 3: the life that he led and he had struggles with

1189
00:55:58,800 --> 00:56:02,799
Speaker 3: his upbringing, he was, you know, largely more successful than

1190
00:56:02,800 --> 00:56:05,239
Speaker 3: he was a failure as a basketball star and as

1191
00:56:05,680 --> 00:56:07,560
Speaker 3: a parent as a dad. You know, he did have

1192
00:56:07,640 --> 00:56:09,680
Speaker 3: his struggles there, but he's not sort of given up.

1193
00:56:09,719 --> 00:56:11,759
Speaker 3: He's going to keep fighting, and I like that about him.

1194
00:56:11,760 --> 00:56:15,200
Speaker 3: I like that he knows that there's some wounds that

1195
00:56:15,239 --> 00:56:17,120
Speaker 3: he has to repair and he's going to try to

1196
00:56:17,160 --> 00:56:18,880
Speaker 3: do that as best he can, even though he doesn't

1197
00:56:18,880 --> 00:56:22,160
Speaker 3: really know what the best approach is. So I enjoyed

1198
00:56:22,160 --> 00:56:24,120
Speaker 3: that aspect of it. That he didn't come away from

1199
00:56:24,160 --> 00:56:26,080
Speaker 3: this thinking like, oh man, this guy was a star

1200
00:56:26,200 --> 00:56:28,560
Speaker 3: and all those problems that he had with someone else's

1201
00:56:28,560 --> 00:56:30,680
Speaker 3: fault and people just took advantage of him and you

1202
00:56:30,680 --> 00:56:34,000
Speaker 3: know when he was naive. Instead it was like, man,

1203
00:56:34,040 --> 00:56:36,200
Speaker 3: he took the blame and he took ownership for those things.

1204
00:56:36,239 --> 00:56:38,680
Speaker 3: So I enjoyed that part of it. And he was

1205
00:56:38,680 --> 00:56:40,279
Speaker 3: the number two pick in the draft. So I'll give

1206
00:56:40,360 --> 00:56:42,360
Speaker 3: him two out of three stars for this movie.

1207
00:56:42,560 --> 00:56:43,839
Speaker 1: Okay, okay, gid.

1208
00:56:44,920 --> 00:56:47,200
Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean this is not a great dark I

1209
00:56:47,280 --> 00:56:51,520
Speaker 5: would say. But that said, I kind of enjoyed it.

1210
00:56:53,440 --> 00:56:57,040
Speaker 5: There's a lot here, just and again I don't think

1211
00:56:57,040 --> 00:56:59,880
Speaker 5: they shod enough. I don't think I think it was budget.

1212
00:57:00,920 --> 00:57:04,680
Speaker 5: I think that Kenny Anderson is a fascinating dude, and

1213
00:57:04,760 --> 00:57:07,080
Speaker 5: there is a lot to unpack there. But there's also

1214
00:57:07,640 --> 00:57:10,840
Speaker 5: I found myself thinking a lot about society watching this movie.

1215
00:57:10,840 --> 00:57:14,319
Speaker 5: Maybe it's because everything that's been going on while while

1216
00:57:14,360 --> 00:57:18,720
Speaker 5: I'm watching it, but just I was thinking about all

1217
00:57:18,880 --> 00:57:22,560
Speaker 5: the kids who aren't good at basketball, who came from

1218
00:57:23,280 --> 00:57:27,880
Speaker 5: Lefrack and didn't get scooped out of there to to

1219
00:57:27,960 --> 00:57:31,120
Speaker 5: go to a better high school with their tuition paid,

1220
00:57:32,120 --> 00:57:36,000
Speaker 5: you know. And he mentions that it takes a village

1221
00:57:36,960 --> 00:57:39,720
Speaker 5: to raise a kid, but in Kenny's case, he was

1222
00:57:40,000 --> 00:57:42,960
Speaker 5: he was taking lifted and taken to a different village,

1223
00:57:43,040 --> 00:57:45,360
Speaker 5: you know. But what about the kids who don't have

1224
00:57:45,440 --> 00:57:51,760
Speaker 5: that NBA raw potential And when at risk kids like

1225
00:57:51,800 --> 00:57:54,520
Speaker 5: that are left to be raised by a village that's

1226
00:57:54,600 --> 00:57:59,920
Speaker 5: racked with poverty, bad things can happen. Kids can get brutalized, Sometime,

1227
00:58:00,200 --> 00:58:03,040
Speaker 5: kids get into drugs, and sometimes kids get sexually abused

1228
00:58:03,040 --> 00:58:06,360
Speaker 5: like Kenny did, and clearly no amount of money or

1229
00:58:06,440 --> 00:58:11,760
Speaker 5: fame has erased the trauma that Kenny experienced. So you know,

1230
00:58:11,840 --> 00:58:17,720
Speaker 5: the message there is when you hit it big, sometimes

1231
00:58:17,760 --> 00:58:20,280
Speaker 5: the village will bleed you dry. His own mother seemed

1232
00:58:20,320 --> 00:58:22,000
Speaker 5: to be a part of that. He mentioned that I

1233
00:58:22,000 --> 00:58:24,680
Speaker 5: would just give her anything that she wanted. He lavished

1234
00:58:24,720 --> 00:58:28,080
Speaker 5: her with all sorts of stuff, all the while she's

1235
00:58:28,320 --> 00:58:30,920
Speaker 5: struggling with addiction herself, trying to raise a kid on

1236
00:58:30,960 --> 00:58:34,960
Speaker 5: her own with no father in the picture. So as

1237
00:58:34,960 --> 00:58:38,320
Speaker 5: a society, you know, we need to start looking at

1238
00:58:39,080 --> 00:58:42,680
Speaker 5: rethinking all of this stuff. You know, things like universal healthcare,

1239
00:58:42,840 --> 00:58:48,000
Speaker 5: universal daycare, free college, and the drug war. Decriminalize all drugs,

1240
00:58:48,040 --> 00:58:52,040
Speaker 5: treat it like the health crisis it is. Kenny seems

1241
00:58:52,040 --> 00:58:54,640
Speaker 5: to be an alcoholic that's a legal drug and he

1242
00:58:54,720 --> 00:58:59,360
Speaker 5: needs he needs help. I mean, when he gets fired,

1243
00:58:59,680 --> 00:59:03,440
Speaker 5: the thing that sparks everything off is this dui. He

1244
00:59:03,520 --> 00:59:06,040
Speaker 5: goes back to visit the school where he coached, and

1245
00:59:06,080 --> 00:59:10,400
Speaker 5: he's sitting there expressing extreme regret. He's close to tears

1246
00:59:10,400 --> 00:59:16,400
Speaker 5: sitting next to that the principal there, and Kenny's basically saying, hey,

1247
00:59:16,440 --> 00:59:19,360
Speaker 5: this this is the biggest mistake of my life. It's

1248
00:59:19,400 --> 00:59:21,440
Speaker 5: almost like he's begging for his job back, and the

1249
00:59:21,480 --> 00:59:25,320
Speaker 5: principal sitting next to him is basically saying, hey, remember

1250
00:59:25,400 --> 00:59:29,240
Speaker 5: your first game when everyone was looking at you, you know.

1251
00:59:29,320 --> 00:59:31,840
Speaker 5: And then Kenny's like, you know, I wish I was

1252
00:59:31,880 --> 00:59:36,480
Speaker 5: still a part of this thing, and and the principal says, well,

1253
00:59:36,560 --> 00:59:41,040
Speaker 5: you're here now, you live in the neighborhood, basically saying, hey, man,

1254
00:59:41,240 --> 00:59:44,040
Speaker 5: come to our games so people can continue to look

1255
00:59:44,080 --> 00:59:48,040
Speaker 5: at you and we can benefit from your presence, you know.

1256
00:59:48,240 --> 00:59:51,600
Speaker 5: And then and then there's a confessional with the principal

1257
00:59:51,840 --> 00:59:54,320
Speaker 5: basically saying, hey, I think he wants to be a coach.

1258
00:59:54,400 --> 00:59:57,280
Speaker 5: Yeah no, uh, And I tell him to be a

1259
00:59:57,280 --> 00:59:59,960
Speaker 5: student of the game of coaching. And you can only

1260
01:00:00,160 --> 01:00:03,520
Speaker 5: ride your name for so long. Yeah no, he needs

1261
01:00:03,560 --> 01:00:06,520
Speaker 5: good people around him to keep him on track. Cut

1262
01:00:06,560 --> 01:00:11,160
Speaker 5: to dorc smoking cigars in a cigar club that's supposed

1263
01:00:11,160 --> 01:00:14,160
Speaker 5: to be U asshole. When he got that DUI he

1264
01:00:14,320 --> 01:00:18,000
Speaker 5: should What should have happened was is, Hey, this is

1265
01:00:18,040 --> 01:00:20,919
Speaker 5: our guy. He's got a problem, and we're gonna help

1266
01:00:20,960 --> 01:00:24,720
Speaker 5: him deal with it. Right that This should be society's response.

1267
01:00:24,760 --> 01:00:30,360
Speaker 5: In my opinion. So you know, obviously he's got problems.

1268
01:00:30,480 --> 01:00:34,040
Speaker 5: He's a bit of a flake. But we everybody needs

1269
01:00:34,080 --> 01:00:38,880
Speaker 5: to to help bring these people up and people who

1270
01:00:38,920 --> 01:00:41,680
Speaker 5: have problems, you know. So anyway, that's uh, I'm gonna

1271
01:00:41,680 --> 01:00:45,240
Speaker 5: give it a seven out of ten because I think

1272
01:00:45,560 --> 01:00:47,320
Speaker 5: I think there's something there. I think that if they

1273
01:00:47,400 --> 01:00:50,880
Speaker 5: had the resources to make a ten episode documentary about

1274
01:00:50,960 --> 01:00:53,720
Speaker 5: Kenny Anderson, I watch that. I would watch that.

1275
01:00:54,880 --> 01:00:55,120
Speaker 2: Yeah.

1276
01:00:55,160 --> 01:00:58,720
Speaker 1: He's a fascinating character for sure, or human as as

1277
01:00:58,760 --> 01:01:02,680
Speaker 1: a documentary lead, I guess yeah. Because on one hand,

1278
01:01:02,800 --> 01:01:05,960
Speaker 1: watching this, like look full disclosure, I was a huge

1279
01:01:06,040 --> 01:01:08,880
Speaker 1: Kenny Anderson fan when I started falling in love with basketball.

1280
01:01:08,920 --> 01:01:10,600
Speaker 1: That's when he was at his peak. That's when you know,

1281
01:01:10,720 --> 01:01:13,040
Speaker 1: ninety three, ninety four, that's his all Star season. That's

1282
01:01:13,080 --> 01:01:15,000
Speaker 1: when he's ball. And he's a lefty, you know. I

1283
01:01:15,000 --> 01:01:17,880
Speaker 1: love the lefties like Nick and I just loved him

1284
01:01:18,040 --> 01:01:21,160
Speaker 1: and I I've talked before about if I one throwback

1285
01:01:21,200 --> 01:01:23,160
Speaker 1: I'd love to get as a Kenny Anderson nets throwback

1286
01:01:23,160 --> 01:01:26,000
Speaker 1: and all that. I was a fan. But watching this,

1287
01:01:26,400 --> 01:01:29,800
Speaker 1: he's a sympathetic figure, no doubt. You root for him.

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Speaker 1: It's he just seems like a goddamn likable guy and

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Speaker 1: you want him to do well and you know, tackle

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Speaker 1: some of these demons or these skeletons in his closet

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Speaker 1: head on and beat them. And then on the flip

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Speaker 1: side of that, there are many times in this doc

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Speaker 1: where I and I've already talked about it, like I

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Speaker 1: was like, God, damn it, stop saying it and do something,

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Speaker 1: because it's obvious you keep saying it and everybody says, oh,

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Speaker 1: that's great, do that, and then you just don't do anything.

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Speaker 1: So it's like and that makes for a festing again

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Speaker 1: character or lead in a doc. So I thought it

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Speaker 1: was great. I recommend people watch it. You know, you

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Speaker 1: might have issues with it, like we've talked about here,

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Speaker 1: but I think you overall will We'll find it pretty

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Speaker 1: fascinating and like Jad said, maybe you'll even go deeper

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Speaker 1: with some of the themes that it's addressing in this documentary.

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Speaker 1: So yeah, I'm with you, JD. It's not the greatest

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Speaker 1: sports documentary I've ever seen. It's not really even a

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Speaker 1: sports documentary, for being honest, but seven out of ten

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Speaker 1: is exactly where I'm at too recommend it. I would

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Speaker 1: tell people to watch mister Chips again on Amazon is

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Speaker 1: I think where you can go rent that, and I

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Speaker 1: don't even think it's all that much, so go check

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Speaker 1: it out. So overall, we liked it a lot more

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Speaker 1: than some of the critics. But let's hear from you guys.

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Speaker 1: If you've watched it or when you watch it, let

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Speaker 1: us know. Tweet at us at No Dunk Sync, hit

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Speaker 1: us up on email no dunks at the Athletic dot Com,

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Speaker 1: get your questions and comments in.

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Speaker 3: This was fun.

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Speaker 1: Right to do a little different basketball movie, if you

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Speaker 1: want to call it out again for films. So, yeah,

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Speaker 1: it was a nice little change then talking about a

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Speaker 1: dog playing basketball.

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Speaker 4: Yeah. I was a little disappointed that there were no

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Speaker 4: discussions about what is and is in the rule book.

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Speaker 3: No game winner either. No game winner we didn't see

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Speaker 3: in this fun.

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Speaker 1: I think that's why Kenny was upset with his kids there,

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Speaker 1: the au kids. He wanted a game winnerly, so well, yeah, keep.

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Speaker 3: Us streak alive. That's the first time we've actually seen

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Speaker 3: the team not win the championship. Really, isn't this awesome?

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Speaker 1: Well done, Chips, right right right right, So go check

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Speaker 1: out mister Chips. We should be back on Friday with

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Speaker 1: a brand new podcast for you in the meantime. Clitter Bros.

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Speaker 1: You heard it here first.

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Speaker 4: Have a great time, turn up, love you guys awesome.

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Speaker 6: Thanks for joining us, and remember I had to get

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Speaker 6: this right. Spudweb got his nickname because his uncle thought

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Speaker 6: his round head looked like the satellite the Soviets launched

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Speaker 6: in the late fifties Old Spot nick.

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Speaker 1: Embrace the Day, people, you.

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Speaker 3: Say every day.

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Speaker 2: Than you Happy every man? It's done so long.

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Speaker 1: Wanna play form?

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Speaker 2: It's happened already.

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Speaker 1: It's gonna be good me