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Speaker 4: A singular player in Cardinal's history, Pat Tillman was one

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Speaker 4: it our Cardinals Folktales Legendary Locker Edition, The story behind

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Speaker 4: That would definitely define Pat Tillman, someone where football did

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Speaker 5: Pat Tilban talk about a guy with a.

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Speaker 4: When Pat put on the pads he used him, he

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Speaker 13: I think Pat probably deserved flip flops and a surfboard

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Speaker 13: A different person showed him.

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Speaker 4: I say, you hit pretty hard now, guy, I'm in

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Speaker 7: Wow, off comes the helmet of the attendant receiver as

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Speaker 1: He knocked him right in the helmet with a forearm

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Speaker 11: Even as a rookie, we used to have to call

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Speaker 6: He brought that scene kind of few mentality to the Cardinals.

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Speaker 4: Let's just say that Pat would routinely exceed the perceived

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Speaker 4: That's how Pat made the Cardinals as the two hundred

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Speaker 4: How he caught the coach's attention even though he was

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Speaker 4: Former Cardinals head coach Den Stobin.

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Speaker 14: And the one I remember was a wide receiver that

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Speaker 4: But as vin Stobin himself would admit later, the Cardinals

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Speaker 4: Former Cardinals quarterback Jake Plummer.

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Speaker 6: You look at someone like him who was similar to me.

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Speaker 6: We were too small, too slow, not strong enough, not

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Speaker 5: Heretulated me, and I guess he was one of my advocates.

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Speaker 4: He was talking me up, So what the hell?

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Speaker 1: Where are you all right?

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Speaker 4: Thank you, appreciate your help, Jake.

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Speaker 5: He said that I gotta give him fifteen percent of

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Speaker 6: So we had that chip on our shoulder and that confidence,

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Speaker 14: Pat became a football player simply because of will and determination.

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Speaker 14: He wasn't really big enough, strong enough, fast enough to

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Speaker 4: And it's something that Pat had already done plenty of

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Speaker 4: And I cut off my dad. I say, come on, now, Pop,

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Speaker 4: Come on say no, no, no. They've got this Tilman kid.

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Speaker 4: He's a running back and nobody can tackle him, and

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Speaker 4: So when people talk about Pat's ability to inspire and

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Speaker 4: you know what, though Pat's greatest team achievement was leading

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Speaker 14: Both towers so the World Trade Center have been hit

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Speaker 5: It's a black smoke coming from both of the towers.

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Speaker 12: There are fire crews just screaming into this area from

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Speaker 5: You know, times like this you stop and think about

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Speaker 4: For the voice of Pat Tillman September twelfth, two thousand

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Speaker 15: He was like, what we do playing in the NFL?

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Speaker 15: He goes, We're worthless, We're actors. He goes, that means nothing.

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Speaker 15: This is this is so much bigger than that.

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Speaker 12: There's probably no better time to talk about a guy

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Speaker 16: It was sort of the you know, man bites dog story,

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Speaker 4: Cardinals' owner Michael Bidwell. As Pat had just set a

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Speaker 12: My reaction was was just I just like, I just

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Speaker 4: Pat would leave that Cardinals locker room to join a

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Speaker 13: I saw Pat coming out of the building, and I

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Speaker 13: So what you go do? What I want to serve

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Speaker 6: I just kind of like that sounds like, Pat, what

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Speaker 6: I don't know if he should do this. It's you know,

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Speaker 6: Pat makes his mind up, he's made this decision and

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Speaker 6: I'm not going to piss him off before he goes

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Speaker 14: Well, he's all in. He believed in what he believed

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Speaker 6: Or not, he believed in himself so much so that

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Speaker 6: That was what life was about, was doing what you

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Speaker 4: And what's amazing is as media friendly as Pat was

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Speaker 12: his refusal to talk about it ever. It's like, I'm

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Speaker 12: not in it for that, I'm not in it for

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Speaker 12: the stories. I'm not in it for a future movie

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Speaker 12: or to set myself up for business later. I have

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Speaker 12: my reasons for doing it. I'm not going to share them.

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Speaker 12: They're my reasons.

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Speaker 4: So Pat left his Cardinals locker behind for a foot locker.

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Speaker 4: One more aspect of a person who could have done

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Speaker 4: virtually anything he set his mind to, and quite often

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Speaker 4: Pat did just that. Former teammate, a longtime Cardinals staffer,

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Speaker 4: Anthony Edwards, on Pat's selfless act.

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Speaker 8: To serve that's humility. I choose to serve my country.

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Speaker 8: I choose to go disc route instead of this one.

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Speaker 8: The more popular vote would be stay where you at,

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Speaker 8: continue to do what you're doing. But he didn't feel

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Speaker 8: that was enough. That wasn't satisfying to him, so he

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Speaker 8: chose the other.

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Speaker 4: And that's former Cardinals receiver Anthony Edwards, who said it

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Speaker 4: so well in Cardinals' Full Tales that Pat was all

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Speaker 4: about service to his team, to his community, to his country.

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Speaker 4: I think, like a lot of media members, we walk

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Speaker 4: into that Cardinals locker room, you can still hear Pat's laugh,

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Speaker 4: you can still picture him with his teammates. And it

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Speaker 4: was that locker of Pat's that was spared the wrecking

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Speaker 4: ball from the demolition crew in last second dramatic fashion.

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Speaker 4: And when we come back, we'll hear how that locker

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Speaker 4: saving play, how it unfolded, how Pat's lasting legacy is

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Speaker 4: memorialized in other ways as we continue with his encore

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Speaker 4: presentation of Cardinals Folktales, Legendary Locker on the Big Red Rage,

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Speaker 4: presented by santan Ford and Gilbert. We are santan Ford.

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Speaker 4: Welcome back to our special encore presentation of Cardinals Folktales,

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Speaker 4: The Legendary Locker Here on the Big Red Rage, presented

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Speaker 4: by Santan Ford and Gilbert. We are santan Ford. I'm

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Speaker 4: Paul Calvi. Seen if you go to State Farm Stadium,

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Speaker 4: you'll see the Pat Tillman Statute. There's Pat Tillman's name

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Speaker 4: and number in the Ring of Honor. At Cardinal's headquarters,

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Speaker 4: there's Pat's locker. And that's what we're talking about here tonight,

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Speaker 4: the legendary locker and last we left you here during

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Speaker 4: Cardinals Folktales, Pat Tillman was making that selfless decision to

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Speaker 4: leave football and a multi million dollar contract behind to

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Speaker 4: serve his country. As we know, Pat lost his life

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Speaker 4: in action while serving with the Army Rangers in Afghanistan,

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Speaker 4: and not only hit all of us in Arizona heard

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Speaker 4: a lot of us vividly remember that April morning, but

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Speaker 4: our nation mourned as well, and we pick up the

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Speaker 4: story of how Pat's legendary locker still stand today with

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Speaker 4: a salute from Tom Cruise at the Espies.

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Speaker 17: The news came out of Afghanistan that an athlete turned

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Speaker 17: soldier was gone. And when we heard the news on

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Speaker 17: that April day, it stopped us all in a long

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Speaker 17: and profound silence. And we all know why, because Pat

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Speaker 17: Tillman was a transcendent figure in the life of this nation.

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Speaker 4: Word of Pat Tillman's death came out early on the

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Speaker 4: morning of April twenty second, two thousand and four. Fans

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Speaker 4: created memorials at the Cardinals facility and in Pat's hometown

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Speaker 4: of San Jose. I remember waiting a line at Sun

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Speaker 4: Devil Stadium to pay respects at an impromptum memorial. The

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Speaker 4: news hit with the ferocity of a Tilman tackle, and

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Speaker 4: it struck owner Michael Bidwell and fullback Larry Centers the

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Speaker 4: same way.

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Speaker 16: It was a I mean, it was a gut punch.

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Speaker 16: It was a to the stomach, and I remember I was.

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Speaker 16: I was standing in my closet that day, getting ready

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Speaker 16: for work and to head into the office, and my

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Speaker 16: phone rang. You know, it sent shivers down my spine

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Speaker 16: and we realized it's going to be shocking news to everybody.

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Speaker 11: I was in Dallas on the golf course. I was

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Speaker 11: playing with a couple of guys who played in the NFL,

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Speaker 11: and one of them got a call or a text

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Speaker 11: and said, hey, man, Pat's him and just died in Afghanistan.

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Speaker 11: It was a jaw dropping moment. I remember exactly where

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Speaker 11: I was, like. I'm sure a lot of the teammates

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Speaker 11: can tell you exactly what they were when they heard

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Speaker 11: the news.

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Speaker 4: As news traveled through the Cardinals facility, it reached the

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Speaker 4: locker room longtime trainer John Omahandra.

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Speaker 18: It weighed on us, impacted us a lot, and that

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Speaker 18: started going through my mind a way that we could

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Speaker 18: memorialize him or remembering in some fashion in the training room.

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Speaker 18: I went down to pr asking him to give me

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Speaker 18: a photo of Pat. I took it and had it framed,

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Speaker 18: put it up over the tape table.

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Speaker 1: So every day.

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Speaker 18: Everybody that came in got overseen by Pat, and the

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Speaker 18: guys would get up on the table to get taped

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Speaker 18: and they could maybe just past thought on trying to

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Speaker 18: live up to his standards of toughness and dedication, being

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Speaker 18: a warrior, just all the things that Pat was.

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Speaker 4: The Tilman player photo that John olmahundro referenced, well, if

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Speaker 4: you walk into the training room today, that frame picture

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Speaker 4: sits in this same exact spot, just like it did

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Speaker 4: days after Pat's death.

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Speaker 7: I think there's a wow factor to it. I take

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Speaker 7: for an since JJ Watt when he signed with the Cardinals,

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Speaker 7: he took a picture in front of it. It means

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Speaker 7: something to him. He's very familiar with the story. He's

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Speaker 7: involved with the Pat Tillman Foundation.

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Speaker 19: I've obviously long been a fan of Pat Tillman. What

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Speaker 19: he stood for, who he was, and everything about his

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Speaker 19: legacy is unbelievable to me. So to be here, to

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Speaker 19: be walking the same halls that he walked and to

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Speaker 19: see his locker was special for me.

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Speaker 7: It made me feel good to see him, the guy

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Speaker 7: of his level, standing in front of that and it

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Speaker 7: means something to him.

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Speaker 4: That's the voice of Jim o'mahundra, longtime Cardinals broadcast producer

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Speaker 4: more than two decades on the job. While his father,

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Speaker 4: the aforementioned John Omahundro, spent forty two seasons as a

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Speaker 4: Cardinals athletic trainer. A couple of other longtime Cards employees,

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Speaker 4: Darren Urban and Dave Pash, give us the scattering report

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Speaker 4: on Omo.

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Speaker 15: I would paint Jim o'mahundro in this way he works

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Speaker 15: for the team, but I feel in a lot of

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Speaker 15: ways Cardinals DNA is literally in him.

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Speaker 7: So I've been around the Cardinals my entire life. My

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Speaker 7: dad was an athletic trainer for the team for forty

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Speaker 7: two seasons. I like to say I was negative nine

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Speaker 7: when he started with the team, and so I was

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Speaker 7: literally born into this organization. I couldn't imagine it any

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Speaker 7: other way.

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Speaker 3: Cardinal football means so much to him. Outside of the

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Speaker 3: Bidwells who grew up with Cardinal football, I can't think

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Speaker 3: of anybody who has a closer connection than the Bidwell

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Speaker 3: family than the on one Hundro family because of the

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Speaker 3: time and the energy that's been spent rooting for the team.

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Speaker 4: So when people ask how exactly did the Tilman locker

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Speaker 4: end up encased in glass when every other locker is

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Speaker 4: no moss, Well glad yes, because remember earlier the story

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Speaker 4: that we thought we knew but didn't. Well, here we

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Speaker 4: go twenty fifteen. The Cardinals locker room. It's a hard

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Speaker 4: hat area, not your typical football helmets, but construction workers.

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Speaker 7: It's a day after the Super Bowl, kind of slow

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Speaker 7: around the facility. So I come over here to Oreganos.

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Speaker 7: Used to get a normal lunch, so I ordered a

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Speaker 7: slice and a salad and I'm waiting for the food.

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Speaker 7: So I'm scrolling through Twitter. I see a tweet by

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Speaker 7: Darren Urban that alerts me to the renovation starting at

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Speaker 7: our Tempe facility. So I freak out. There's a photo

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Speaker 7: with a destroyed locker on the ground. So I had

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Speaker 7: ordered my lunch, it hadn't come yet, and I'm like,

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Speaker 7: I got to get out of here. So I throw

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Speaker 7: twenty dollars down onto the table and I'm out of there.

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Speaker 7: I just run to my car, drive down, get to

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Speaker 7: the facility, run through the parking lot, run through the auditorium,

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Speaker 7: the weight room, the training room, step into the locker room.

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Speaker 7: The carpet is all torn up. The glue from the

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Speaker 7: carpet is there and it rips my shoe off my foot.

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Speaker 7: So I'm hopping around the corner to see two lockers

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Speaker 7: on one wall and about four lockers on the other.

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Speaker 7: There's a guy with a saw walking directly for Pat

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Speaker 7: Tillman's locker. I said, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, don't

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Speaker 7: cut that one out. That's Pat Tillman's locker. So that's

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Speaker 7: what happened and prevented it from being destroyed.

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Speaker 4: And that is quite a series of events. I mean,

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Speaker 4: think of how razor thin that margin was. One more stop,

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Speaker 4: like perhaps or almost stopping to unglue his shoe, and

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Speaker 4: that Tilman locker would have been turned into lumber. That

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Speaker 4: got the attention of Cardinals owner Michael Bidwell.

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Speaker 16: Found out an hour after it happened that Jim Olmhunter

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Speaker 16: was walking through and said, wait, don't touch that. And

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Speaker 16: so we're like, okay, we don't know what to do

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Speaker 16: with it right now, but we're going to do something.

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Speaker 16: And then because we were doing a renovation of the building,

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Speaker 16: we look for an area where we could put it,

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Speaker 16: and the designers found what I think is a perfect

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Speaker 16: entry area right outside the locker room. So it's it's

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Speaker 16: a perfect area and it's really a landmark within our

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Speaker 16: building and serves as an important reminder for his sacrifice,

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Speaker 16: but also his spirit.

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Speaker 7: Everybody who goes out to practice field they walk by it.

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Speaker 7: Everyone who comes in from the practice field, they walk

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Speaker 7: by it. And if you look at the old foot

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Speaker 7: front of the locker room, it's literally on the other

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Speaker 7: side of the wall, kind of diagonal from where it was,

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Speaker 7: and I think that's pretty cool. It's kind of hollow ground.

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Speaker 1: In a way.

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Speaker 4: Remember it had been over a dozen years since Pat

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Speaker 4: had left his locker, so over those years a number

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Speaker 4: of other players use that locker.

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Speaker 7: Pat's final year in the locker room was two thousand

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Speaker 7: and one, so every year after that, I would kind

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Speaker 7: of look to see who had that locker, and I'd

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Speaker 7: make it a point to go up to him and say, Hey,

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Speaker 7: you know who's locker you are sitting in, And they're like,

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Speaker 7: who said Pat Tillman. Some of them looked at me

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Speaker 7: like I was.

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Speaker 3: Nuts, Like what this is Pat's locker?

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Speaker 5: You know?

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Speaker 7: Some that come to mind, Gabe Watson, former defensive tackle.

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Speaker 20: O Mahandro told me, you share the same locker that

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Speaker 20: Pat Tillman had. I'm like, are you serious? You know

625
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Speaker 20: you hear the stories behind them, and there's only a

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Speaker 20: few people that can say I shared the same locker.

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Speaker 20: It's just honored to just be in any company with them.

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Speaker 7: John Fullington was a reserve offensive lineman who was the

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Speaker 7: final occupant of Pat's locker, and he was genuinely touched.

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Speaker 4: I told him, and.

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Speaker 7: He he was just like, I'm honored if he didn't

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Speaker 7: know what to say. So, you know, you see guys

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Speaker 7: that maybe had that locker, then you see guys that

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Speaker 7: in future years will walk past that locker and you

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Speaker 7: kind of get the idea of what they might feel

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Speaker 7: about it.

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Speaker 4: You know, the first time you see Pat's locker on display,

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Speaker 4: and as someone who sees it on a daily basis now,

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Speaker 4: it is a heck of a first impression that makes

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Speaker 4: for a lasting impression. Here's VP and meter relations Mark Dalton,

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Speaker 4: followed by former Cardinals Larry Centers and Anthony Edwards.

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Speaker 9: When you get to that spot, it's almost a universal reaction.

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Speaker 9: People just stop and conversation ceases and they just take

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Speaker 9: it in and there's like a solemn moment of reflection,

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Speaker 9: which is really cool.

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Speaker 11: Keeping his legacy alive. I think that's a big step

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Speaker 11: in the right direction. You know, the generations go on,

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Speaker 11: and the people, the players come and the players go.

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Speaker 11: But to see him immortalize in that way and appreciated

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Speaker 11: by the organization, I think that's a really good move

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Speaker 11: of the team.

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Speaker 8: It's a reminder as a player that's leaving out of

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Speaker 8: the locker room going to the practice field, here's someone

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Speaker 8: that was dedicated, committed to excellence in whatever he did.

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Speaker 8: Just let us do the same thing and take it

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Speaker 8: to the field today and be our very best. So

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Speaker 8: it comes as a reminder of striving for excellence.

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Speaker 7: Each time a guy walks by, they're gonna see Pat

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Speaker 7: and his locker there, and remember, you know, hey, you

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Speaker 7: could be having a crappy day. You could be complaining

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Speaker 7: about little things, and then you see that and you

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Speaker 7: check yourself a little bit. Say, Okay, there's thousands upon

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Speaker 7: thousands of men and women all over the world serving

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Speaker 7: our country, and you know they can't afford to have

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Speaker 7: a bad day. We can afford to have a bad day.

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Speaker 3: So you've got it pretty good.

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Speaker 4: In the NFL, everyone is looking for impact players in

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Speaker 4: Cardinals team history, and that is going back more than

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Speaker 4: a century. Not a single player on the field and

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Speaker 4: off combined is at a bigger impact than Pat Tillman.

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Speaker 10: Pat Tillman was all about team and if you can

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Speaker 10: walk past that and not get something inside of you turning,

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Speaker 10: we got some issues.

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Speaker 3: Go back to the whole idea of you know, it's

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Speaker 3: not what you say in life, it's what you do.

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Speaker 3: And we can all talk, but ultimately it's what we do.

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Speaker 3: And I think the lasting legacy of Pat Tillman is

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Speaker 3: this is someone who did, who believed in something and

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Speaker 3: was willing to risk his life for it.

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Speaker 4: That's voice of the Cardinals day pass preceded by former

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Speaker 4: Cardinals linebacker Mark Maddox make an impact today When they

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Speaker 4: see Pat Tillman's locker, it says, challenge yourself to do

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Speaker 4: as much with your life as Pat did in his

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Speaker 4: twenty seven years. To me, that's what Pat's locker stands for,

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Speaker 4: and that's why it still stands today for all to see.

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Speaker 6: To me, when they keep his locker alive and his

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Speaker 6: legend alive there, it's telling the players to like live

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Speaker 6: your trueness, to be who you are, and like, hey,

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Speaker 6: you know, don't go against the grain just because you

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Speaker 6: want to go against the grain. But if you have

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Speaker 6: a feeling and it's a thought and it's something you believe,

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Speaker 6: in and if it's against the grain, do it and

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Speaker 6: trust yourself, because Pat was like that.

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Speaker 4: And there you have it, Cardinals, Folktales, legendary locker, the

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Speaker 4: one locker that will never change nameplates, the same locker

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Speaker 4: where we used to witness Pat reclined between practices, taking

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Speaker 4: a snooze to refresh for what was next. And that's

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Speaker 4: just one tribute to Pat's greatness that seemingly everyone has

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Speaker 4: a story. In fact, I'll share a quick one with

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Speaker 4: you here. I knew a guy at Asu, went to

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Speaker 4: school with him, and he told me years later that

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Speaker 4: he was Pat's next door neighbor for a spell. One

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Speaker 4: night he got home from work, he pulled into his

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Speaker 4: driveway and he couldn't help but notice there's Pat on

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Speaker 4: his roof. His buddy of mine gets out of his car.

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Speaker 4: He's half stupefied and he yells out, ay, Pat, what

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Speaker 4: are you doing on your roof? And Pat looked at him,

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Speaker 4: just watching the sunset, dude, just watching the sunset. And

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Speaker 4: that was Pat. He took nothing for granted, and he

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Speaker 4: inspired others to do the same. But how do you

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Speaker 4: convey that, how do you pass that along? How do

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Speaker 4: you honor that?

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Speaker 18: Well?

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Speaker 4: The Cardinals do just that every day by putting Pat's

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Speaker 4: locker on display at their training facility. Thanks for joining

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Speaker 4: us everyone. I'm Paul KELVC. This has been Cardinals Folktales

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Speaker 4: Legendary Locker presented by seventy two Soul. Thanks for listening.

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Speaker 4: You know it's stories like that, and so many people

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Speaker 4: have stories regarding Pat Tillman. That's how his legacy lives

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Speaker 4: on today. If you go to the Pat Tillman Foundation

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Speaker 4: website and they stayed out Pat's life and principles and service,

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Speaker 4: that's his true legacy. How Pat's family and friends started

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Speaker 4: the Pat Tillman Foundation to carry forward that legacy. If

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Speaker 4: you go two days after his passing, it was the

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Speaker 4: NFL Draft two thousand and then Commissioner Paul Tagliboo wore

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Speaker 4: a black ribbon with Tilman's name on it and a

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Speaker 4: helmet pin with his number forty. And there was Paul

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Speaker 4: Taglibou while flanked by five Marines in Madison Square Garden,

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Speaker 4: and he told the audience quote, Pat Tillman personified the

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Speaker 4: best values of Americans and the National Football League. And

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Speaker 4: we know Pat's legacy is personified by Pat's Run, which

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Speaker 4: is held annually in tamp And when we come back,

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Speaker 4: we'll bring back and talk with Ron Wolfley, who covered

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Speaker 4: Pat watched all those games from Sun Devil Stadium, both

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Speaker 4: ASU and the Cardinals. As we continue with this encore

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Speaker 4: presentation of Cardinals Folk Tales Legendary Locker presented by Santan

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Speaker 4: four in Gilbert, and welcome back to this very special

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Speaker 4: edition of the Big Red Rage, Our Cardinals Folk Tales

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Speaker 4: Legendary Locker Edition, all presented by Santan Ford in Gilbert,

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Speaker 4: Paul Kelvic, Ron wolf Ley and the story behind the

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Speaker 4: saving literally saving Pat Tillman's locker from a certain destruction

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Speaker 4: within seconds, wolf we heard the story man of our

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Speaker 4: own executive producer, a longtime producer for the Cardinals, Jim

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Speaker 4: al Mahandro. He saw a picture posted by Darren Urban

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Speaker 4: of the renovation of the Cardinals locker room and he

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Speaker 4: just ran a four three forty out of the restaurant

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Speaker 4: where he's having lunch, and if he would hit one

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Speaker 4: more stoplight, he probably wouldn't be able to make it

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Speaker 4: in time back into that locker room to save Pat

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Speaker 4: Tillman's locker. And as we say, there's fifty three players

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Speaker 4: on an NFL active roster. And then the Cardinals have

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Speaker 4: designated their fifty fourth locker where the name plate will

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Speaker 4: never change. It is behind glass. And it's quite a

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Speaker 4: story as to as it all transpired.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, Paulie, you know what's incredible you stop and think

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Speaker 1: about it, man, the fact that Jim Almahandro would be

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Speaker 1: the guy, he would be the guy that would actually

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Speaker 1: burst in and save Pat Tillman's locker. You know what

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Speaker 1: a historian he is. He's the best game day producer

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Speaker 1: on the face of the planet. Yet at the same time,

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Speaker 1: this guy is a historian man for Cardinal football and

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Speaker 1: the fact that it was him who actually came in

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Speaker 1: and stopped them from literally cutting right into that locker

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Speaker 1: and everything that has happened to that locker. Since that's

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Speaker 1: exactly what a folktale is, man, this is a folk

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Speaker 1: tale about a folk tale, legendary acts by human beings.

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Speaker 4: You know, players to this day see it for the

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Speaker 4: first time and it stops them in their tracks. Yes,

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Speaker 4: JJ Watt, most recently when he showed up, he stopped

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Speaker 4: that very locker. Dennis Gardek. We've talked to gard Deck

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Speaker 4: the Barbarian about it, have we not? Wolts you know,

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Speaker 4: he current players, you know, most of them, they're so young,

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Speaker 4: they've only read books about Pat Tillman. But it's what

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Speaker 4: that locker says to them, and to listen to them

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Speaker 4: tell it Wolf. It essentially means, Okay, can you get

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Speaker 4: as much out of your life out of your career

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Speaker 4: that Pat Tilman did? A guy who was barely drafted

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Speaker 4: a seventh rounder and then went on to achieve so much,

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Speaker 4: not only in football, but obviously in life itself.

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Speaker 1: You know, I love that, Paully. That is a great thought,

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Speaker 1: There's no doubt about it. You know, you think of

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Speaker 1: Pat Tillman though the statue, of course, is what I

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Speaker 1: think of at State Farm Stadium and the Tilman Tunnel

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Speaker 1: at ASU, and you know, just the legendary impact that

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Speaker 1: this has had on so many football players and so

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Speaker 1: many Americans. The ultimate sacrifice of Pat Tillman and what

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Speaker 1: he did for this country and for everyone who serves

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Speaker 1: this country, and for his teammates as well. It's truly inspiring.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, that's a great point about the statue of the Tilman.

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Speaker 4: How about the bridge and the Arizona Nevada border named

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Speaker 4: after Pat Tillman. The USO Centers worldwide. I know it

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Speaker 4: was a couple of years ago. I was like the

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Speaker 4: fifth assistant coach for my son's little league team. Right,

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Speaker 4: everyone had to introduce themselves and they said, what do

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Speaker 4: you do for a living? And okay, and who have

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Speaker 4: you interviewed? Who have you interviewed? And I named Larry Fitzgerald,

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Speaker 4: Randy Johnson, old timers like Joe Montana, Michael Jordan, Lebron James.

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Speaker 4: But when I named Pat Tillman, everyone stopped and everyone

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Speaker 4: wanted to know more about Pat Tillman. That's how his

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Speaker 4: name resonates even today.

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Speaker 1: Truly, just an incredible human being. Paully. I know that

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Speaker 1: you and I over the years, of course, have talked

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Speaker 1: about our relationship just knowing Pat Tillman from time to time,

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Speaker 1: and the respect and the regard that we have for

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Speaker 1: him can't be measured with human hands.

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Speaker 4: When my son was born, actually I bought him a jersey.

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Speaker 4: It's the only jersey I've ever purchased for him, and

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Speaker 4: it's a Pat Tillman jersey because it's about so much

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Speaker 4: more than football. Football did not define Pat as he

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Speaker 4: went onto service kind Trina's status now as an American hero,

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Speaker 4: I hope everyone enjoyed that Cardinals Folk Tales Legendary Lockers special.

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Speaker 4: Thanks Jim Amhandro, Ron Wolfley on Paul KELVC. This has

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