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Speaker 1: to day three of the coverage here on Dallas Cowboys
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Speaker 1: with David Hellman, Dane Brugler, and we're gonna get this
Speaker 1: program started in a special way because we have a
Speaker 1: special coach here, a special teacher in a lot of
Speaker 1: different ways. You know. I'm very excited. I've always been
Speaker 1: my times of being in National Football League and evaluating coaches.
Speaker 1: This is one of the those outstanding guys when you
Speaker 1: watch on the field, and I'm talking about Rod Marinelli
Speaker 1: and the things that he's able to get from his
Speaker 1: players and what his players learned from him. Coach, Welcome,
Speaker 1: and thank you so much for taking some time with
Speaker 1: us today. My pleasure. Thanks for allowing me to be
Speaker 1: here coach. We yesterday we went through this whole day
Speaker 1: with Randy Gregory, and you know, and had a chance
Speaker 1: to visit with Randy Gregory, and you know, the talent
Speaker 1: was there. Everything about Randy Gregory, the off the field
Speaker 1: stuff is a question mark about him, but again the talent,
Speaker 1: We've evaluated the talent. We know what that talents. When
Speaker 1: we had a chance to talk to him, he brought
Speaker 1: up a player that I'm very familiar with Simeon Rice,
Speaker 1: And I want to get from you because Simeon Rice,
Speaker 1: to me, was always a guy that when Arizona maybe
Speaker 1: a little bit bit underachiever, but when you took him over,
Speaker 1: you made him into this elite type of a player.
Speaker 1: Is that a fair comparison Simeon Rice with what we
Speaker 1: get with Randy Gregory here? You know it is some
Speaker 1: You know, Simeon was special. I mean he came out
Speaker 1: of college that he's a special athlete, specially special player,
Speaker 1: got the great mental makeup to be for the position,
Speaker 1: and he just took off. And I think part of
Speaker 1: it was we had a heck of a defense too,
Speaker 1: Sap and Brooks and Lynch and those guys Barber and uh.
Speaker 1: But as I look at the two, I see the
Speaker 1: same length. Uh, the frame is very similar, the band
Speaker 1: is very similar, and the passion for the position is similar.
Speaker 1: The U when it's so hard to find those elite
Speaker 1: rushers and and and you talk about the bin. So
Speaker 1: he has all those traits that you're you're looking at though,
Speaker 1: and so is the traits though any different, Like, say,
Speaker 1: is is he a right he's just a right defensive
Speaker 1: end in the way you play in your scheme. I
Speaker 1: think it's he's a right end because they're so they're
Speaker 1: difficult to find a third down rusher like that. I mean,
Speaker 1: it really is tough. And but he could rush from
Speaker 1: either side. It doesn't matter. He'd be good either either
Speaker 1: side because he would be a mismatch for the right
Speaker 1: tackle athletically. But you just try to get as many
Speaker 1: good rushers on your team and put him in positions
Speaker 1: to rush. And now certain guys will command a slide
Speaker 1: or a chip and then hopefully you get one or
Speaker 1: two guys singled up. Coach, very fortunate last night to
Speaker 1: hear a little bit of the audio from when you
Speaker 1: guys actually called Randy to let him know he was
Speaker 1: going to be the pick and We've heard about off
Speaker 1: field stuff, him having issues in the past, and something
Speaker 1: was really interesting to me was that he told you
Speaker 1: that that he wants you to be ard on him.
Speaker 1: He wants you to coach him hard and hold him accountable.
Speaker 1: Can you just explain to us, maybe a little more
Speaker 1: in detail, your your role in that and y'all providing
Speaker 1: this kind of structure for him to kind of walk
Speaker 1: that straight and narrow path. You know, I think it's
Speaker 1: for every player. You know, I've always kind of talked
Speaker 1: to you, try to coach a man first and the
Speaker 1: player second, and that's about I think just about accountability.
Speaker 1: It's uh, you know too right every second of every day.
Speaker 1: And I think he's got great passion for the game,
Speaker 1: there's no doubt, and now it's just about times to
Speaker 1: be humble, take accountability and helped his football team, and
Speaker 1: then I hold him accountable. Once that stated, whatever we state,
Speaker 1: then it's then I'm going to hold you accountable. I
Speaker 1: don't think you go into ten thousand rules and all
Speaker 1: this stuff. For me, we know what needs to be
Speaker 1: done and it's just time to go do what we're
Speaker 1: supposed to do. What's your impression, I mean, he was
Speaker 1: here earlier during the draft process, you got to meet
Speaker 1: with him a little bit. What's your impression of how
Speaker 1: he can handle that and respond to your style? You know,
Speaker 1: I've always held one thing, and so it's high esteem.
Speaker 1: Is when a guy really loved football, they'll change. If
Speaker 1: you really really been around guys like that, then they
Speaker 1: really love football and they practice and they play hard
Speaker 1: that it becomes so important to him. Then the structure
Speaker 1: they can see and help him make them better, they
Speaker 1: usually buy into that. It's I struggle with guys to
Speaker 1: be honest with the underachievers with talent, you know, or
Speaker 1: they struggle with me, I should say. And because I think,
Speaker 1: you know, you don't want to be disrespectful to this game.
Speaker 1: Cowboys added another talented player in the first round with
Speaker 1: Byron Jones. A lot of things like about him, talk
Speaker 1: about maybe his versatility and what that brings to your defense. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and he's got position flexibility, so that's really great, you know.
Speaker 1: And we got another big, good looking, fast corner because
Speaker 1: we are you know, we probably lead off with man coverage,
Speaker 1: you know, we like it. We will go up there
Speaker 1: impress people and and it buys time for the rush
Speaker 1: and some of those things, so we couldn't be more excited.
Speaker 1: He's an overachiever. He's really into football, really loves football.
Speaker 1: But now you get this league is getting so many tall,
Speaker 1: big receivers and now you match him was He's a
Speaker 1: guy that's got the speed and the range and he's
Speaker 1: a very high intellect guy. Really likes it. Coach the
Speaker 1: you talk about the position flex and it seems like
Speaker 1: though that the players that you've added as you go
Speaker 1: with the intent of like Hitchens and you know he's
Speaker 1: played several different started all three positions. Is that something
Speaker 1: though you're a long time NFL man and have you
Speaker 1: seen it's like it's now about the guys that can
Speaker 1: play the most positions. It's not about really just playing
Speaker 1: one position, but I need you to play two or
Speaker 1: three positions because exactly what you've talked about, the different
Speaker 1: matchups you face every week, no question, and I think
Speaker 1: you go into it and saying there's corners out there
Speaker 1: that that's a speed position in college right now, and
Speaker 1: those guys can move inside. You look at you look
Speaker 1: for will linebackers and they now can play all three
Speaker 1: backup position because the movement as speed, your hands, sometimes
Speaker 1: your left hands can move into being an undertackle like
Speaker 1: Tyrone with a quickness. So you're you're always trying to
Speaker 1: look for athleticism and that football character guys and guys
Speaker 1: who want to come to work. And then I think
Speaker 1: you're going to be in good shape when I when
Speaker 1: I look at your team, though, you've you've taken a
Speaker 1: guy like Nick Hayden and and made him into a
Speaker 1: player that you know when you watch him play and
Speaker 1: things like that. He's one of those guys that looks
Speaker 1: like a perfect fit for playing your one. Is there
Speaker 1: certain positions though at the inside spot? I know you
Speaker 1: what you come at the three, but there is there
Speaker 1: some things you want to maybe upgrade a little bit.
Speaker 1: And I don't mean that disrespect to Nick. Is there
Speaker 1: a more of an athletic guy now in the draft
Speaker 1: and maybe in this third day that's on the board.
Speaker 1: I'm not asking to give a government secrets here, but
Speaker 1: is there somebody on that board though that it kind
Speaker 1: of fits what you're looking at, maybe as an as
Speaker 1: an upgrade at maybe your one technique. I think all
Speaker 1: vos are looking as part of the league. But Nick,
Speaker 1: now I'm telling he, I don't know. People sometimes we
Speaker 1: see what a good athlete he is, right, he's like
Speaker 1: a big linebacker in there at times. And I know
Speaker 1: he is got great feet, great movement, Terrell, I think
Speaker 1: he's got We've got Jack Crawford and go inside some
Speaker 1: of those things. So but you always look, you know,
Speaker 1: that's part of the part of the deal. You every
Speaker 1: day you're trying to get better. But I'm really pleased
Speaker 1: with some of those guys. So you're like the way
Speaker 1: things are shaping up, especially with the addition though with
Speaker 1: with Randy Gregory and then and then you know Hardy
Speaker 1: Inner Russia as well though, but your Rushiman kind of
Speaker 1: get up created there all across the board there. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and they're all good high achievers you know that really
Speaker 1: love football, you know. And plus with Mints and all
Speaker 1: those other guys, with guy, it's it's getting to be
Speaker 1: a highly competitive group. All right. Well, coach, thank you
Speaker 1: so much for stopping buying a great start to our day,
Speaker 1: our third day in the draft coverage. So, Rod Marinelli
Speaker 1: one of the great teachers that I've ever been around.
Speaker 1: You talk about coaches, but this man's a teacher, and
Speaker 1: I think that's the most important thing. When you talk
Speaker 1: about a lot of bunch of guys that you know,
Speaker 1: these players, they have to come in, they have to learn,
Speaker 1: and he is one of the guys that I have
Speaker 1: the utmost respect for for that job. Not at all,
Speaker 1: Not at all. And you know, he gave you a
Speaker 1: little insight about what he thought about h. Randy Gregory.
Speaker 1: He's gonna worry about the football side of it, but
Speaker 1: then he's gonna make him accountable. And I think that's
Speaker 1: what we all need. Everybody out there needs to hear that.
Speaker 1: The Cowboys. It's not just show up and rush the passer.
Speaker 1: It's gonna be Hey, you're gonna have to be accountable.
Speaker 1: He's gonna coach this guy hard. And that's a good thing.
Speaker 1: And that's a good question on your part. Steven Stephen
Speaker 1: Jones said it last night. I mean, I don't think
Speaker 1: you can understate. You know, maybe they're not as willing
Speaker 1: to make that pick if they don't have Rod Marinelli.
Speaker 1: You know, he's I mean, he's Hall of Fame level coach.
Speaker 1: He's done this before on the field side of things,
Speaker 1: but also has you know, great teacher, hard nosed guy's
Speaker 1: not gonna take any nonsense. And I think knowing that
Speaker 1: they have him there to mold Randy Gregory, I mean
Speaker 1: DeMarcus Lawrence too for that matter. All I mean just
Speaker 1: having him there, I'm sure it gives you loads more
Speaker 1: confidence than just about any other defensive line coach in
Speaker 1: the league. Well that's uh, you know, and that's uh,
Speaker 1: that's what this thing's all about. Though. It's about getting in,
Speaker 1: getting in and bringing all these players together and trying
Speaker 1: to get we We thought that the biggest questions going
Speaker 1: into season last year was this defense. And I have
Speaker 1: to feel good that a guy like Rod Marinella can
Speaker 1: come in and get those players and he gets I
Speaker 1: asked about Nick Hayden because last night was there questions
Speaker 1: about Carl Davis, you know, on the board and things
Speaker 1: like that, and take them might have taken him. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean so they you know there there's there's some
Speaker 1: players and Dane will get into uh some of the
Speaker 1: guys that we see uh still on the board uh
Speaker 1: going forward here, Uh defensive lineman, we Newness roaches, Uh,
Speaker 1: Grady Jarrett. There's some guys that are still on this board,
Speaker 1: uh that can that can help this football team. Dane
Speaker 1: um as it uh as they continue to try add
Speaker 1: pieces for this defense, right and it'd be interesting, Um
Speaker 1: who's available for them here in the fourth obviously, UH,
Speaker 1: don't pick for a while here, So you know, Willem
Speaker 1: Michael Bennett slip through the cracks and land. Will that
Speaker 1: be a possibility for the Cowboys here in the fourth round?
Speaker 1: Rokiem Newnis roach as a player we both like a lot. Yes,
Speaker 1: could he slip there? And so a lot of options
Speaker 1: on defense, also on offense, you know with you know
Speaker 1: the running back position. Obviously, I think that's what cowboys
Speaker 1: want to Cowboys fans want to know if is there
Speaker 1: a running back out there that the Cowboys have their
Speaker 1: eye on? Here? Is there a target? And so a
Speaker 1: Jagie we keep bringing up that name. We've we talked
Speaker 1: about the knee issues. At some point he becomes worth
Speaker 1: the risk. And again, team doctors, team trainers, they'll tell you,
Speaker 1: we can't tell you if he'll play ten games or
Speaker 1: four years. There's just no way to know. And so
Speaker 1: because that knee issue, and that's that's the gamble. So
Speaker 1: a fourth round, do you take that gamble? You can
Speaker 1: take worse risks here in the fourth round. And now
Speaker 1: we're joined here by Bill Jones, who will uh, I
Speaker 1: will want a letdout after Marinelli, Bill Jones, now Bill
Speaker 1: Jones on exactly and and and Bill will will anchor
Speaker 1: our coverage for the remainder of the day. He had
Speaker 1: a television work yesterday and his uh in this market,
Speaker 1: as a lot of you know, is really tied into
Speaker 1: what the Cowboys do. He's got a really nice take
Speaker 1: on these draft picks. So third day is always a
Speaker 1: day for the scouts. I consider these men in this room,
Speaker 1: these two right here are well so excited. This man
Speaker 1: right yeah, this this is what's all about. But this
Speaker 1: man right here who will carry you the rest away
Speaker 1: with us? As we finished this journey up in the
Speaker 1: NFL Draft bill, we talked to Rod Marinelli. We talked
Speaker 1: about a lot of different things. More so not so
Speaker 1: much the off the field stuff, but what uh these
Speaker 1: players would with Byron Jones, but Gregory and what they
Speaker 1: can bring talk about yesterday though obviously the Gregory one though,
Speaker 1: was the one that's got everybody buzzing right now. Yep.
Speaker 1: And I was on record in the first round and
Speaker 1: saying no, I would not take him. So it was
Speaker 1: David Helmet first round. But I think that's okay. I
Speaker 1: said it in the second round. Yeah, but I mean
Speaker 1: I do think I did say, like second third round
Speaker 1: not so much of a problem. I felt better about
Speaker 1: the Gregory pick actually after listening to him on the
Speaker 1: conference call too. It's absolutely absolutely he he I mean,
Speaker 1: like I said last night, it's one step out of many, many,
Speaker 1: many steps. But Randy Gregory's first couple of steps as
Speaker 1: a Cowboy have been pretty encouraging. I think just what
Speaker 1: you've heard on the phone with the front office was
Speaker 1: what he said on the phone with us here in
Speaker 1: our studio and with the Dallas media. And the other
Speaker 1: thing is, you know, I've got limited time. I can't
Speaker 1: I can't spend as much time as you as all
Speaker 1: three of you do, don't act. I covered the Rangers
Speaker 1: and the Maverick, the playoffs and all that's the important
Speaker 1: right now. Try Yeah, I'm trying to study these prospects
Speaker 1: as much as possibly got. I gotta narrow it down
Speaker 1: a little bit, right. And so, since Ray Gregory was
Speaker 1: a top ten pick, I barely even looked at him
Speaker 1: because what were the chances he was even going to
Speaker 1: be there as an opportunity for the Cowboys in the
Speaker 1: first round, much less the second round. So I was
Speaker 1: scrambling yesterday, just trying to get up on him, you know,
Speaker 1: and so I wasn't able. And that's one of the
Speaker 1: things that I look at. You guys are great at
Speaker 1: being able to look at tape and time and see,
Speaker 1: but and you know what you're looking for on tape.
Speaker 1: I'm a novice at this, and what I look at
Speaker 1: a lot of times is sort of the makeup of
Speaker 1: the player. I look at the way he interviews that
Speaker 1: sort of theme, because I think that's important in the process.
Speaker 1: And I hadn't been able to really listen to Randy
Speaker 1: Gregory talk. After hearing him on a conference call, I
Speaker 1: feel better about him now. He obviously has issues, and
Speaker 1: I think that this organization has enough in the way
Speaker 1: of help for players like that, and they've proven it
Speaker 1: over time too that they can give him everything he
Speaker 1: needs to to it and be successful. Now it's ultimately
Speaker 1: going to be on him. I think what really I
Speaker 1: took away from from him him I agree with you
Speaker 1: on and the fact that we got to interview him.
Speaker 1: I think he is a humbled guy, and I hope
Speaker 1: you know, I don't want to be fooled. I don't
Speaker 1: want to be the guy I don't want to. I
Speaker 1: don't want to be a guy that maybe this guy
Speaker 1: has been a talented football player all his life and
Speaker 1: and you know he's used to and I'm just gonna
Speaker 1: say it, used to this lye into people, you know,
Speaker 1: and I think you have to be conscious of is
Speaker 1: this guy's sincere and any come in and you know,
Speaker 1: listening to Marinelli talk, it's about it's about being humble,
Speaker 1: but it's about being accountable. And I keep going back
Speaker 1: to that because he's gonna have to be accountable to
Speaker 1: this defense, to his teammates. You know, he can't get
Speaker 1: into the brushes or I shouldn't say brushes because it's
Speaker 1: not a law of thing. It's more of a well
Speaker 1: failing tests. How about selfishness is if I'm using a
Speaker 1: product focus, Yeah, and that's and that's you know, if
Speaker 1: you don't focus with Rod Marinelli, you're gonna have problems.
Speaker 1: You're gonna have a lot of problems. I feel a
Speaker 1: lot better about it knowing that that guy is in
Speaker 1: charge of Randy Gregory's development. And I think too, you
Speaker 1: look at Leon Lett and Leon letting his own struggles
Speaker 1: with and not saying drug, but his own struggles with
Speaker 1: coming out and being more you know, leon Lett was
Speaker 1: very shy, yeah, and you know, and he had his struggles.
Speaker 1: His refuge was playing the game, you know, and not
Speaker 1: having to deal. But Randy Gregory, to me, seems like
Speaker 1: he can deal with the with us. But he's got
Speaker 1: to deal with those coaches, and he's got to deal
Speaker 1: with those teammates. And he's gonna say, don't forget about
Speaker 1: that locker room. Yeah, And that's the thing. And I
Speaker 1: think that that is, you know, as long as he
Speaker 1: comes in and he works, then you could see the
Speaker 1: elite type talent. And it doesn't take Dame Bruegler to
Speaker 1: see that Randy Gregory can play football. That doesn't that
Speaker 1: that's there's no question in my mind about that. And
Speaker 1: let's remember too, he turns twenty three during the season,
Speaker 1: So this isn't like Leonard Williams, who's a twenty year old.
Speaker 1: I'm still a very young kid. Randy Gregory's you know,
Speaker 1: he's gonna turn twenty three during the season. He's old
Speaker 1: enough to you know, understand exactly what we're saying. And
Speaker 1: hopefully he buys into that. You know, you really hope
Speaker 1: that the past habits and uh, you know, the inconsistent
Speaker 1: focus issues are no longer problems, and so he's going
Speaker 1: to a locker room where uh, you know, there are
Speaker 1: there's some seniority, some leadership, and so hopefully you can
Speaker 1: just look at the first round pick and Byron Jones
Speaker 1: and you know, look at that the character he has
Speaker 1: and the exactly in the middle hopefully polar opposite. Yeah,
Speaker 1: they did that. That That war room went polar opposite
Speaker 1: on you. What I did. I would pay a substantial
Speaker 1: amount of money, all right, maybe not a substantial amount
Speaker 1: I'd pay. I'd pay good money to be a fly
Speaker 1: on the wall in the Dallas Cowboys defensive line room
Speaker 1: this year. That is a fascinating room. I mean, you
Speaker 1: got two DeMarcus Lawrence, you got two second round draft
Speaker 1: picks who are basically first roun on draft picks. Yes,
Speaker 1: you got the most hot button player in the NFL,
Speaker 1: and Greg Hardy. You got Jeremy You got Jeremy Mintzi,
Speaker 1: who's kind of into the locker room leader. Yeah. Who
Speaker 1: else is in there? Tyrone Crawford waits what nicky Nick
Speaker 1: Hayden team leader? None of the fans seem to like
Speaker 1: the guy, but Rod Marinelli loves him. I just I
Speaker 1: would love to watch game film with Rod Mary Oh,
Speaker 1: and Rod Marinelli will be in there too, So for
Speaker 1: good men, you know. But you look back at the
Speaker 1: Cowboys Super Bowl teams of the nineties and they had
Speaker 1: those sames. Absolutely the key is to have enough of
Speaker 1: a core group of players that can control of those
Speaker 1: who might go off the reservation at times. And I
Speaker 1: think I got to get started here, by the way. Yeah,
Speaker 1: we are there, we go. I got a trust Rod Marinelli.
Speaker 1: You're ready. Hey, here we are day three before we uh,
Speaker 1: before we begin today, Chicago are great fans. It looks
Speaker 1: like he's about to go yachting. All of you deserve
Speaker 1: a lot of credit for making the draft bigger and
Speaker 1: better than ever. It's because of the passion for football
Speaker 1: that's headed out to the cup. Thank the Mayor, We
Speaker 1: thank all the people that make all this a reality.
Speaker 1: So thank you very much on behalf of all of
Speaker 1: us in the NFL. Before we also begin, great scene
Speaker 1: there to introduce the number one Bears fan, the chairman
Speaker 1: of the Chicago Bears, George McCaskey. All those people for
Speaker 1: rounds four, three, seven, drafts friends, hair, Wow, it's the
Speaker 1: sun I said out the Running Bears Friands hair, Well,
Speaker 1: we listened to this. What do you think about this
Speaker 1: being here maybe next year? The team I'm excited. I
Speaker 1: think it would be a spectacle like anything we've ever seen,
Speaker 1: because I think we could take our show and do
Speaker 1: be right there in the middle of right there on
Speaker 1: the plaza, Yeah, assuming good weather, and we can move
Speaker 1: inside it stay wherever in the draft where so many
Speaker 1: fans from all over the Midwest could come here and
Speaker 1: cheer on their teams. And let's do it again here
Speaker 1: next year. No, let's not, let's do it here next year. Yeah,
Speaker 1: thank you, mister McCaskey. With with the excitement, with the
Speaker 1: excitement that this has generated up in Chicago, I have
Speaker 1: got to I've got to believe that Jerry and Stephen
Speaker 1: Jones are salivating at the prospect of doing the draft here. Yeah.
Speaker 1: I think so too. Yeah. And the NFL is interested
Speaker 1: on taking it, taking it on the road, making it
Speaker 1: a for lack of a better way to describe it,
Speaker 1: a traveling circus. Well, and consider this, they had, as
Speaker 1: I mentioned the other day, over seventy nine thousand applicants
Speaker 1: for tickets to get in there that first day of
Speaker 1: the draft, and I think you got a venue over
Speaker 1: there in Arlington that can handle that. I'm out, Yeah,
Speaker 1: you don't have to turn away anybody there you go.
Speaker 1: I'm just looking on the screen right now. Then they're
Speaker 1: showing it. I know this is bad for what we're
Speaker 1: doing on radio. But Joel Bussers, they're honoring him. I
Speaker 1: believe this is his last draft. He was. Yeah, he's
Speaker 1: the it was longtime director of the NFL, the player
Speaker 1: player personnel department for the NFL. He was the guy
Speaker 1: you always dealt with with trades. He is the guy
Speaker 1: that told give me a jersey of forty. So it
Speaker 1: must be forty years of doing this. So Joel Bussard
Speaker 1: retiring from the NFL. Joel Buster was the one that
Speaker 1: told Stephen Jones when we tried to make a trade
Speaker 1: on the clock with the time, ever do it again,
Speaker 1: don't ever do that again. It's Stephen Jones dove onto
Speaker 1: the table to get Bill Jones' favorite safety, Roy Williams
Speaker 1: fine from the University of Went That's right. But Joel Busser,
Speaker 1: longtime NFL executive going on. You know, he wasn't a
Speaker 1: bad safety until he ate too many biscuits. No, and
Speaker 1: you know you might have thought about putting him up.
Speaker 1: It's gonna happen right here in the selection square. You'll
Speaker 1: be able to see it directly back to the commission.
Speaker 1: We also are going to be announcing picks from each
Speaker 1: of the thirty two teams, and round four is now
Speaker 1: officially open. The Tennessee Titans are now on the clock. Yeah,
Speaker 1: Tennessee funneled by New England and Oakland with the first
Speaker 1: three picks, and of course, the Cowboys pick at number
Speaker 1: one twenty seven, the twenty eighth pick of this fourth round.
Speaker 1: All right, let's talk about the Cowboys and where you
Speaker 1: think they might go. Of course, we don't know what's
Speaker 1: going to be on the board at one twenty seven.
Speaker 1: But what do you think need wise right now agonizing
Speaker 1: weight to the end of the round? Well, I mean
Speaker 1: you wrote a story about it this morning that you
Speaker 1: can check out on Dallas Cowboys dot com. Plug. I
Speaker 1: think that to me, And I'm getting opposition from my
Speaker 1: plaid wearing colleague across the table from me, David Hellman. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I was just listening tiny gym. Yeah, so we got
Speaker 1: the camera working here, so we're doing a little we're
Speaker 1: doing good there. But I will say this though, I
Speaker 1: think that to me, Bryce Petty makes a lot of
Speaker 1: sense this point in time, and I'm going to start
Speaker 1: the journey and I'm gonna start the journey with Bryce Petty.
Speaker 1: Do you think you have to trade up to get him?
Speaker 1: I remember those quarterbacks all went in the first ten picks.
Speaker 1: I am just throwing the name out there right now.
Speaker 1: Do you want Bryce Petty bad enough that you're gonna
Speaker 1: trade for him? You? I mean, I don't. I mean,
Speaker 1: we can't move up to the early part of the
Speaker 1: fourth You know what, every name that we thought might
Speaker 1: be there or we thought would be gone, has stay,
Speaker 1: has has slid down that board. We thought Bryce Petty
Speaker 1: would be a second round pick. Yeah, I mean exactly.
Speaker 1: So it's not a we were to call him for
Speaker 1: me if he if he does slip. So they it's
Speaker 1: like Coach Marinelli, visit him with us here a little bit.
Speaker 1: Get the wrong phone, grab the wrong phone, coach, somebody's phone.
Speaker 1: This one's everybody's checking phones here. So I am at
Speaker 1: a loss. Coach. You just gotta brand new. You have
Speaker 1: your phone? Oh okay, okay, all right, good luck today.
Speaker 1: Coach Rod Marinelli. That's the great thing about live radio,
Speaker 1: just get random visits from legendary phone. I do have
Speaker 1: his phone. No, she got on p Yeah you know
Speaker 1: you know, yeah, check that text mess I think that
Speaker 1: I can go ahead and say this, yeah, and it's
Speaker 1: this provides the opportunity since he came in here looking
Speaker 1: for his phone yesterday during the draft one Randy Gregory,
Speaker 1: I'm hurt. I hear was texting him throughout the draft
Speaker 1: leading leading up to the pig Well, you can tell
Speaker 1: by what the emojis, yeah and yip he wore, he wore.
Speaker 1: Ask people, what is it? What is this? What is
Speaker 1: this smiley faced out here? Anyway, that's hilarious. Day three, Um,
Speaker 1: you know, obviously Day one, Day two, the first three rounds,
Speaker 1: top one hundred picks basically that's where your fireworks are.
Speaker 1: That's where, uh, you know a lot of the big
Speaker 1: name players are drafted. But Day three that's when you
Speaker 1: build your roster, right, that's when you find your depth. Now,
Speaker 1: a lot of these guys that are picked today, they
Speaker 1: won't cut it, but a lot of the guys that
Speaker 1: are picked today will be the guys that round out
Speaker 1: your roster. That when your star goes down. They have
Speaker 1: to see the field. And you know, you look at
Speaker 1: the Cowboys and just look at the players on that
Speaker 1: roster who we're not taking in the top one hundred picks,
Speaker 1: and there's quite a few, So a lot of reasons
Speaker 1: to be paying attention to what the teams do today.
Speaker 1: Tennessee picking right now, the pick is in. Of course
Speaker 1: they've gone with Mariota, DGB and Potassi attackles. Have you
Speaker 1: gone all offense with their first three picks. I'm not
Speaker 1: a bad start, yeah, I kind of. I was not.
Speaker 1: We all understand who the first two, you know, the
Speaker 1: quarterback and the receiver. Putassi though, Dane. I thought a
Speaker 1: guy that maybe a much better pass blocker than a
Speaker 1: run blocker. I thought for a big guy, had some ruining,
Speaker 1: nice feet. You know, it's a team really trying to
Speaker 1: build rebuild their offensive line, you know, so, uh you
Speaker 1: know that that wasn't I thought a bad pick. So
Speaker 1: here we go with the Titans from the Tennessee National
Speaker 1: Guard Headquarters in Nashville. Oh you know what, I remember
Speaker 1: him saying, they're gonna do this in the twenty fifteen
Speaker 1: NFL Draft. The Tennessee Titans would like to welcome Captain
Speaker 1: Trey Robinson from the Tennessee Air National Guard. With the
Speaker 1: first pick of the fourth round, number one hundred overall,
Speaker 1: the Tennessee Titans select Angelo Blacks and defensive tackle from Auburn.
Speaker 1: Angelo Blocks A little bit of a surprise there. I
Speaker 1: don't think he's the best defensive tackle on Auburn's team.
Speaker 1: I was gonna say, I was expecting to hear another
Speaker 1: Auburn d tackle called yeah that to me when he
Speaker 1: was not a guy. When I watched him play though,
Speaker 1: I saw a guy that got tied up way too
Speaker 1: much on the blocks. And and you know when when
Speaker 1: teams were when they were handling him a lot of
Speaker 1: single blocks. You talk about those inside guys. I'm looking
Speaker 1: for a guy that can you know when the guard
Speaker 1: and the center both get on you, that you're finding
Speaker 1: a way to get to the ball. And I just
Speaker 1: had a real problem with this guy overall. Even like
Speaker 1: you say, the single blocks were taking him out of
Speaker 1: the play. I understand the size and all that and
Speaker 1: what he is, but as far as a down after
Speaker 1: down consistent player, I just didn't see it. And Gabe
Speaker 1: right still available. They had their choice of either one
Speaker 1: of those Auburn guys if they wanted him. Yeah, very
Speaker 1: active player special teams and on defense. Had four blocked
Speaker 1: kicks on special teams. So a player that he needs work,
Speaker 1: they need to pop the hood and you know, get
Speaker 1: in there and uh, you know, refigure some stuff there.
Speaker 1: But a player that has consistent I mean, but it
Speaker 1: just got blocked all the time, you know, you know,
Speaker 1: I just looking at his combined numbers. That combine numbers
Speaker 1: were slightly better than Gabe right, for whatever that's worth. Yeah,
Speaker 1: So there's a lot of people like Gabe right more
Speaker 1: I like Gabe right a lot. Yeah. And New England,
Speaker 1: I see is next on the clock. I'm just gonna
Speaker 1: throw something out because I've got I've got They they
Speaker 1: I sat, I sat with their guys at the Senior Bowl.
Speaker 1: I sat with their scouts at the Senior Bowl. Watched
Speaker 1: this practice and they told you the tray this is
Speaker 1: gonna be Trey Flowers. Yeah, they have waited, they've this.
Speaker 1: They they talk about Trey Flowers and there there's the pick. Yeah.
Speaker 1: See that's insight you don't get anywhere else. They think
Speaker 1: that Trey Flowers. They love the flat. The fact that
Speaker 1: when ball was run to his side. He was not
Speaker 1: given up that corner. So they they're very excited. They
Speaker 1: were sitting on this pick. I thought he was gonna
Speaker 1: be a third round pick for them, But here he is.
Speaker 1: Top of the Patriots have done now, taking Malcolm Brown
Speaker 1: in the first round. In Trey Flowers here in the
Speaker 1: fourth round is younger. Yeah, he's got a lot younger
Speaker 1: in that, uh for sure right there, eighty four and
Speaker 1: a half. He just eats guys up. So Trey Flower,
Speaker 1: that was you know, that was They couldn't say enough
Speaker 1: thing during the senior here? Did you not? I did,
Speaker 1: because when you watched him play, he's I don't know how,
Speaker 1: He's always around the ball. He's always one of those
Speaker 1: guys that when the when it was snapped, he's getting
Speaker 1: blocked and then all of a sudden he's there. He's
Speaker 1: tackle for lass, he's up the field, he gets you know,
Speaker 1: gets plays wide, but the ball doesn't get outside of him.
Speaker 1: So you know that Bielam is on NFL Network talking
Speaker 1: about it. Yeah, and they also took Lorenzo Malden in
Speaker 1: the third round or actually that's that was the Jets.
Speaker 1: I'm sorry, I'm on the wrong pag Geno Grissom from Oklahoma,
Speaker 1: my man who by the way, I think Nick Saban
Speaker 1: gave his good friend Bill Belichick a great scouting report
Speaker 1: on Geno Grissom because you're remember he scoring a touchdown
Speaker 1: for my Sooners against the Crimson Tide in a Sugar Bowl.
Speaker 1: But I digress that was his best game he probably
Speaker 1: ever played. That's exactly right. All right, we got Oakland
Speaker 1: on the board now with a trade. Oh hell, okay,
Speaker 1: it looks like yeah, it looks like the Panthers are
Speaker 1: now on d You know, we've talked about the Panthers, uh,
Speaker 1: in a lot of different ways. As far as uh,
Speaker 1: I thought safety was something that we Vince Vince visited
Speaker 1: about the other night. Uh, we see offensive lineman, so
Speaker 1: we'll talk about the tackle. They haven't taken an offensive tackle,
Speaker 1: have they in this draft. They're stubborn about that offensive tackle? Yeah? There,
Speaker 1: but this might be an opportunity. I mean we we've
Speaker 1: we in the pre well, we had coach, but we've
Speaker 1: talked about Darryl Williams before. We've talked about other recommendation.
Speaker 1: I've watched him. Yeah, Clemmings with the foot, I mean,
Speaker 1: he's gonna be mention guy. And yeah, point today, I'm like,
Speaker 1: what's going Like this must be the worst stress fracture
Speaker 1: of all time. I had him in the first round. Boards,
Speaker 1: I had him in the first round, and he must
Speaker 1: be off the boards. But but but at some point,
Speaker 1: at the same thing that we're talking about with Jay
Speaker 1: and Jai, like, at some point, aren't you just like
Speaker 1: this is he played with it? Though he's at the
Speaker 1: Senior Bowl playing with it. So I don't I don't
Speaker 1: quite know what's in But they think his foot's gonna
Speaker 1: fall off. I don't know. Yeah, by the way, Caroline
Speaker 1: has taken Shack Thompson in the first round and then
Speaker 1: Devin Funchius in the second round. Okay, there you go.
Speaker 1: So they went, they did, They stayed with they had
Speaker 1: they needed. They had a wide receiver need and then
Speaker 1: a linebacker need. Is a third and so they wanted
Speaker 1: to get up and get as close to the third.
Speaker 1: You mentioned Arryl Williams, and I think a guy that
Speaker 1: just blocks out the sun what he does on the
Speaker 1: right side in the run game. Definitely a right tackle
Speaker 1: right and but he's not exactly fleet of foot, but
Speaker 1: the long arms, I mean, he's he can play in
Speaker 1: arms twenty seven pounds. He moves well for a three
Speaker 1: hund and thirty pounder. I mean, he does it. So
Speaker 1: I didn't like him. Here, I liked him. I liked
Speaker 1: him if if he's just gonna play right tackle, but
Speaker 1: if you're looking for a swing tackle. If something happened
Speaker 1: with Tyrn Smith, I didn't rike him because he could
Speaker 1: not play the left side. He plays a grown man
Speaker 1: version of the game. It really does. Yeah, next tone, now,
Speaker 1: now saw our next pick. In twenty fifteen NFL Draft,
Speaker 1: the Carolina Pounds would like to welcome PSA I Wanner
Speaker 1: Christopher Stratt all right Chris. With a third pick, up
Speaker 1: the fourth round, number one out two overall, the Carolina
Speaker 1: Panthers select Darryl Williams. There you go, right there. See,
Speaker 1: we've been talking about the offensive tackle. They needed a
Speaker 1: left tackle though, I mean, but they really Michael Or
Speaker 1: has been a guy that they've They seem to like
Speaker 1: Michael Or a lot. And Dane, you're not too excited
Speaker 1: about Michael must be watching his old mistape and not
Speaker 1: what he's done watching the movie. Yeah, but hey whatever,
Speaker 1: we'll see what happens with that. But Darryl Williams is
Speaker 1: a good pick here in the fourth. If you're getting
Speaker 1: him outside the top one hundred, you like that value.
Speaker 1: He's a plug and play type. I mean, he's ready
Speaker 1: to go right now, line them up. It's Mike Dallas,
Speaker 1: Dallas suburb. Yeah, it sounds like the Martin kid. They
Speaker 1: signed Jonathan Martin too, didn't they? The Carolina Panthers. I
Speaker 1: I know, I'm asking a lot of quick the Stanford
Speaker 1: to go get my other notebook. I got all that inform. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but but you know, when you talk about the Panther
Speaker 1: said you know that, it seems like to me they're
Speaker 1: they're loading up on right tackles. Who are the left
Speaker 1: tackles on this team? So question that will be the uh,
Speaker 1: that will be the trick to with Carolina. But they
Speaker 1: they traded up to h from Oakland. So Carolina takes
Speaker 1: Daryl Whims Like we talked about Oakland. Will Now, where
Speaker 1: was that pick? I don't even see it here Oakland.
Speaker 1: That's a twenty four. Yeah, the the Carolina pick is
Speaker 1: right ahead of Dallas there at one twenty four. So
Speaker 1: draft draft guru Dane, can I pick your brain for
Speaker 1: a quick secon? We got if we're if we're thinking like,
Speaker 1: like draft guru Bryan over here, is that the Cowboys
Speaker 1: might want a quarterback in the fourth round. He would
Speaker 1: take he would take Petty. Oh Okay, that's not the
Speaker 1: That's not what I'm worried about. I want to know
Speaker 1: who on this list of many teams before the Cowboys
Speaker 1: is somebody that might be Well, the Jets just traded
Speaker 1: up to I kind of was thinking the Jets, and
Speaker 1: this is where I think you have to look at quarterback.
Speaker 1: I mean, they back to back. It's weird to me
Speaker 1: that they would jump trade with Jackson. Well, they wanted
Speaker 1: to get in front of the Jets at one, one
Speaker 1: oh four. So who just traded with the Jets traded
Speaker 1: to Jacksonville to Jacksonville, so they have back to back
Speaker 1: picks one four, Okay, whatever you gotta get in front
Speaker 1: of yourself. Yeah, you're saying that doesn't make a whole
Speaker 1: lot of sense. Get your guy. Well, maybe I wanted
Speaker 1: to get into of Washington if you want to if
Speaker 1: you want to quarter players that they want. So maybe
Speaker 1: they were afraid of another team trading quarterby that's a
Speaker 1: good point. Okay. I don't see the Jaguars as a
Speaker 1: threat to take a quarterback. But yeah, that's a good quarterbacks,
Speaker 1: will be a quarterback, I think, yeah, I think that
Speaker 1: they clearly would have to take Hundley and Pitty if
Speaker 1: you don't be a hell I mean hard knocks to
Speaker 1: New York, right, okay, one of them, Both of them
Speaker 1: are on the board. Who would you take? Think what
Speaker 1: your offensive scheme is? I think I think I think
Speaker 1: that is fair. It depends on who better fits what
Speaker 1: you want to do, and I think both needed a
Speaker 1: lot of work. Both there guys you don't want to
Speaker 1: see on field this year. They might not be ready
Speaker 1: for the field two and sixteen. Um, they you know,
Speaker 1: a lot of work. But at this point I do
Speaker 1: think it's worth it. Despite uh, despite my reservations about
Speaker 1: the Cowboys taking Bryce Petty, I think I would take
Speaker 1: Bryce Petty if I was a team in need of
Speaker 1: a quarterback, which the Cowboys aren't. So we all thought
Speaker 1: though that a quarterback would go early. So getting Bryce
Speaker 1: Petty at at the twenty seven was not going to
Speaker 1: be an option, right, I mean I don't think so.
Speaker 1: I mean I was being unrealistic. I put the name
Speaker 1: out there, and I'd go back again to the draft
Speaker 1: two years ago, where the Tyler Wilson's, yet Jones's, the
Speaker 1: Nassa went to the Giants. Then all all those picks
Speaker 1: came off the board early in the fourth round. I
Speaker 1: know what the cowboys think, But you think either of
Speaker 1: these guys is better than my boy, Zachy Mets, Oh,
Speaker 1: I would take I would take Bryce Petty over Zach
Speaker 1: Mett And and that's and everything Petty versus Pettenberg. Just
Speaker 1: as far as his ability, I just talk about mobility.
Speaker 1: I talk about smarts, I talk about the ability to
Speaker 1: be accurate. Yes, Bryce Petty, there's too many positive intangibles
Speaker 1: there for me. I think some people missed an opportunity
Speaker 1: in the in the third round. Did Nick slip you
Speaker 1: a fifty? No? And I'm not. I'm just talking about
Speaker 1: I watched the guy play against Michigan State, who I
Speaker 1: think is a damn good defense, carved them up. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and they've got they've got a first round corner. They've
Speaker 1: got a potential top five defensive end next year. That
Speaker 1: is a good defense at Michigan State. It is. And
Speaker 1: there's Gary Patterson's defense is really good, right, Yeah, he
Speaker 1: carve this guy when touchdowns And now, okay, West Virginia Hey,
Speaker 1: not so good. You make a good point. You make
Speaker 1: a good point, Brian. I'm just watching the tape and
Speaker 1: I'm watching that. What you're doing is that? Is that
Speaker 1: what you've been doing these lost Some people, some people
Speaker 1: don't watch the tape and talk about this. But we
Speaker 1: won't go that way. And I'm not talking about you, Dave.
Speaker 1: I mean you could. I have not spent a lot
Speaker 1: of time, but I just I just feel like though
Speaker 1: that to me, it's just it's too too good of
Speaker 1: a fit. It's too good of a fit right there.
Speaker 1: So I mean, well, Dane closed the book on Geno
Speaker 1: Smith last night. So if that's true, you gotta think
Speaker 1: the Jets want to bring a quarterback in at some point,
Speaker 1: and that's why they brought in Ryan Fitzpatrick, veteran presence
Speaker 1: who can start games. Um and and Bryce Petty. It's
Speaker 1: just take some time, It's see what's alrighty. We're live
Speaker 1: from Atlantic Health Jets Training Center to announce our next
Speaker 1: pick in the twenty fifteen NFL Draft. But you know,
Speaker 1: Jets would like to welcome thirty years season ticket holder
Speaker 1: Danny Junior. It sounds like a Drumpy goss if I'm
Speaker 1: just already kind of tired of this gimmick, like, are
Speaker 1: we gonna do this for every pick to can? Can
Speaker 1: somebody just say it? With the fifth pick of the
Speaker 1: fourth round, number one oh four overall, the New York
Speaker 1: Jets select Bryce Petty A three. Yeah, that's what happens
Speaker 1: when you let an amateur up on the podium. Had
Speaker 1: a trade, and so they have both the one h
Speaker 1: three and one oh four. I wonder if we're gonna
Speaker 1: get a situation here where Jacksonville and the Jets just
Speaker 1: flipped spots, so instead of instead of misinformation there, Yeah,
Speaker 1: I see, I'm all kinds of confused picking back to
Speaker 1: back or no, No, I don't believe they're picking to
Speaker 1: pick back to back here. So I believe that you're
Speaker 1: gonna see it's jaguars. You're gonna see jaguars on the
Speaker 1: clock here on earth. Tell me, tell me did they
Speaker 1: make Having been in that room before, why you've been
Speaker 1: in the jackson Well, But because you think jack Well
Speaker 1: Jacksonville was on the phone with somebody else, you worry
Speaker 1: about it. You just go ahead and just say, you
Speaker 1: know what it's willing for us, It's it's okay for us.
Speaker 1: I don't know what they gave what the compensation, So
Speaker 1: maybe the Jets gave Jacksonville more than the other team
Speaker 1: that wanting to move up. Absolutely, so yeah, I would
Speaker 1: say that they probably so this Jacksonville will be on
Speaker 1: the clock. In fact that one four. Okay. So so
Speaker 1: basically what the Jets were doing is this day began,
Speaker 1: they were in contact with all these teams making sure
Speaker 1: that no other team was going to jump them to
Speaker 1: take Petty. Let me ask you this, Brian, I mean,
Speaker 1: you wrote about him, You've kind of been stumping for Petty.
Speaker 1: Do you feel this way about Hundley? I mean, do
Speaker 1: you feel as good? But it's good, it's good, but
Speaker 1: you don't like I don't think he's as accurate as
Speaker 1: Petty is. I worry and Dane correct me if I'm
Speaker 1: wrong about this. When I watch Hunley play, I see
Speaker 1: a guy that mechanically has you have to really work
Speaker 1: with him. I don't see a guy that the ball
Speaker 1: snaps off his hand. He's got the arm strength, he's
Speaker 1: got the arm talent. But when you talk about he
Speaker 1: throws at so many different angles and so many different
Speaker 1: way his mechanics to me, never look the same. And
Speaker 1: with Petty. I see the ball, I see by bull gone,
Speaker 1: I see I see that it's the same it's that
Speaker 1: same drop or to take a step throw. I don't
Speaker 1: see that. I see him kind of all over the
Speaker 1: place with his mechanics. Do you think the need for
Speaker 1: someone to compete with Brandon Whedon is strong enough that
Speaker 1: you're taking a quarterback anyway? Or is it all Bryce Petty? No,
Speaker 1: it was all Bryce Petty. Now now it's about Vaughn.
Speaker 1: Now it's about Dustin. You're just wiping quarterback off. Now.
Speaker 1: I think that the last the last year, the last
Speaker 1: quarterback that I would have taken, and I and I
Speaker 1: mocked him, but me Brian brought his personally. Bryce Petty
Speaker 1: was my guy. Okay, And now I'm I'm now willing
Speaker 1: to say I'm willing to walk the journey with with Dustin.
Speaker 1: Vaugh wild thing, Vaughan baby, lace him up and let's
Speaker 1: go and talk to me about Hunley. Then you mean
Speaker 1: you could you could correct me if you want. All
Speaker 1: the physical traits are there, I mean everything that you want.
Speaker 1: That mobility, the arm strength, that the size. He's a
Speaker 1: great kid too. Yeah, but no, you're absolutely right about
Speaker 1: the mechanics. And just there's so much you need to do.
Speaker 1: You really need to overhaul, uh the quarterback there, and
Speaker 1: we have the Jaguars picking. Yeah, here we go round
Speaker 1: draft pick. We are live from the Cleveland or Deck
Speaker 1: at EverBank Field and beautiful Jacksonville, Florida, to announce the
Speaker 1: next pick in this year's NFL Draft is Seth Stouter
Speaker 1: from Greencast Rings, Florida. Thank you, Tony, with the one
Speaker 1: hundred and fourth pick of the twenty fifteen NFL Draft.
Speaker 1: My Jacksonville Jaguars are proud to select James Sample Defense
Speaker 1: him back. Yeah, Louisville, here you go. Good safety there.
Speaker 1: Absolutely like that pick a lot, right. The Sample was
Speaker 1: one of my guys when you were talking, probably more
Speaker 1: of a strong safety guy than a free safety guy.
Speaker 1: But his teammate Holloman, who's still on the board fourteen picks, Yeah,
Speaker 1: you called a coward about twelve hours I did call
Speaker 1: him a coward. And there's a reason why. Sample. You
Speaker 1: watch Sample play. He's standing on the right hash and
Speaker 1: the ball goes all the way to the left side.
Speaker 1: He crosses Hallaman to get to the ball and he
Speaker 1: makes the tackle. Is this guy? Is this guy plug
Speaker 1: him play? I think so. And he's the guy that
Speaker 1: you can see him playing free, you can see him
Speaker 1: playing strong. I mean, he can do a lot of
Speaker 1: things for you, and it's a wicket hit or two.
Speaker 1: He was a top recruit out of high school, went
Speaker 1: to Washington that didn't quite work Outley knows a little
Speaker 1: about safety play too, if you will recall they also
Speaker 1: drafted Cowboys pet cat Jonathan Cyprian two years ago, so
Speaker 1: he did. Who hasn't really been great for them. He's
Speaker 1: been okay, He's been a little up and down. I mean,
Speaker 1: too early to throw in the towel on Cyprian, but
Speaker 1: sample gives them some good depth and like I said,
Speaker 1: a guy that can play free or strong. So it
Speaker 1: gives them death at both spots. Now, Washington is on
Speaker 1: the clock and the pick is in for the Redskins
Speaker 1: could go a couple of different ways here, though. They
Speaker 1: they've kind of funny the way they they I think
Speaker 1: felt like they took in the first round. They took
Speaker 1: the Giants pick, yeah, you know, with the with the
Speaker 1: Brandon Sheriff, Yeah, the Sheriff pick, which looked especially good
Speaker 1: when you consider Crowder jameson Crowdy. He was great at
Speaker 1: the Senior Bowl. He was He's Brandon Cook's light. Washington's
Speaker 1: not participating in the fan guess they don't they're fans
Speaker 1: don't like it. I'm I'm on board with that, you know.
Speaker 1: It's kind of like it's kind of like your thing
Speaker 1: when we do the draft show. It's like, Hi, thank you,
Speaker 1: we're great. What's your question? Like, don't ask me how
Speaker 1: I am. Just make the pick. I love so Chicago.
Speaker 1: This ought to be a production. Chicago is making the
Speaker 1: next pick. Yeah, there's no doubt they're gonna bring whoever
Speaker 1: that is right up to the stage that. Yeah, they're
Speaker 1: gonna have a parade for this guy. It's gonna be awesome.
Speaker 1: So what players do you have in mind for the
Speaker 1: Cowboys in the fourth round. Let's make a list of
Speaker 1: three or four that you would like to see fall
Speaker 1: to fit a Cowboy need or also just the best
Speaker 1: player that you could defer to the gurus. Go for Dave.
Speaker 1: You can say, you know my answer. It's been my
Speaker 1: answer since he was a second round pick. This is
Speaker 1: my dude, and he's been my dude since probably mid February. Right,
Speaker 1: Who is that Jagie? Yeah? I and you know he's
Speaker 1: got the knee issue. It's bone on bone. You don't
Speaker 1: know how long he's gonna play, and I just don't
Speaker 1: care because he's healthy. Right now, here's Chicago, all right,
Speaker 1: here we go, abarras fans. What the seventh pick in
Speaker 1: the fourth round? Number one oh six overall? The Chicago
Speaker 1: Bears have selected Jeremy Langford, running back, ran back off
Speaker 1: the board. That's a guy. A lot of Cowboys fans
Speaker 1: have had an eye on that guy. I think I
Speaker 1: build an answer questions. Dave's right about a gie. I
Speaker 1: think you have to look at potentially we had Rod
Speaker 1: Marinellian here early. Does Michael Bennett fit that tech at
Speaker 1: one technique three technique player with some flexibility right there? Shaw?
Speaker 1: I know they drafted a corner in the first round,
Speaker 1: but do they go back? Josh Shaw again wrote about it.
Speaker 1: I wouldn't be surprised at all if they double up
Speaker 1: on corner in the I agree, and I'd like I
Speaker 1: like Shaw as a pick. Nuna's Roaches was a guy
Speaker 1: that you asked a question about about the inside the town,
Speaker 1: right and Hayden and so forth. Grady Jared's been a
Speaker 1: guy that I've liked exactly. Grady Jared it's still available now.
Speaker 1: They take from Marinelli's answer on that as far as
Speaker 1: their need at that, I feel like that he would
Speaker 1: take whoever they He would coach whoever they put out
Speaker 1: there for him to coach. But uh, you know, I
Speaker 1: didn't get to I know they like Nick Hayon a lot.
Speaker 1: But I also know talking to some guys talking to
Speaker 1: some coaches, that they would like to to potentially upgrade
Speaker 1: and Atlanta's pick is going to be in But I'd
Speaker 1: like to believe that they would like to get They
Speaker 1: liked Terrell McClain a lot, but would they would they
Speaker 1: also though, consider though, trying to get another young guy
Speaker 1: in there that has some sideline to sideline ability. And
Speaker 1: you know I don't have a Bennett. You watch him
Speaker 1: in the National Championship game. You know this guy is
Speaker 1: there was some some a little bit of underachieving tendencies.
Speaker 1: Am I write there Dane about him? But the conversation,
Speaker 1: but justin Hardy is the pick of it land of
Speaker 1: the wide all time leading receiver and FBS history the
Speaker 1: most catches. But no, You're right about Michael Bennett over
Speaker 1: the first ten games of Ohio States schedule. Really underachieved,
Speaker 1: but down the stretch he was outstanding against Wisconsin, against
Speaker 1: against Alabama, he was He's one of the stars for
Speaker 1: that Buckey's defense. But there is some up and down
Speaker 1: play and there are some questions about where do you
Speaker 1: play him. To me, I thought he was a three technique,
Speaker 1: but I think some other teams disagree in the cmore
Speaker 1: as a one or a nose. Well, again, it's the
Speaker 1: flexibility we've talked about. If the guy, if Dane sees
Speaker 1: the guys a three, you know, there's some teams and
Speaker 1: he's right. Some guys I've talked to thought he could
Speaker 1: play the one. So if that's the case, if you
Speaker 1: got a guy that's got that kind of ability and
Speaker 1: played big time football in some big time games at
Speaker 1: the end of the season and was productive, I think
Speaker 1: you have to consider that. Let me ask you this.
Speaker 1: I feel like this is a great debate for where
Speaker 1: the Cowboys are right now. You've got guys on the
Speaker 1: roster who can play defensive tackle, but you feel like
Speaker 1: you could upgrade the position. You got guys on the
Speaker 1: roster who play running back, but you feel like you
Speaker 1: could upgrade the position. So what do you mean, what's
Speaker 1: the bigger what's the need that you feel better about
Speaker 1: addressing with one of these things? To me? It to
Speaker 1: me if if I know all bets, it's all bets, Rof.
Speaker 1: They should take the runner. I agree they should. They
Speaker 1: should take just a simpleton though, Yeah, I just kid.
Speaker 1: The kid is from here, you know, I mean it
Speaker 1: could be here, and I know, I know it's a
Speaker 1: great story, but the kid is a damn good football player.
Speaker 1: He is a damn good football players. Knees healthy, playing
Speaker 1: the third or fourth running back off the board, there's
Speaker 1: no doubt. And Dane took a lot of crap when
Speaker 1: he said that there's teams concerned about the knee, and
Speaker 1: he and his agent reached out, and he's and and
Speaker 1: and you know what, the guys is locked in. He
Speaker 1: knew exactly what he's talking about. But right now, in
Speaker 1: the fourth round, if he's still on the board, you've
Speaker 1: got to take him right talk about getting Randy Gregory
Speaker 1: at sixty. I mean, this should have been a top
Speaker 1: fifty or sixty pick. There's no doubt about it. I mean,
Speaker 1: you you if you're and I've said this so much,
Speaker 1: but then again, we've been doing this for six hours
Speaker 1: a day. If you're if you're gonna use a guy,
Speaker 1: take a runner for four years or five years and
Speaker 1: just go Yeah, fullback is off the board. Oh the
Speaker 1: Alabama Tennessee, Tennessee still hit you? So India Indianapolis is
Speaker 1: on the clock thinking of blocking, getting some blocking first,
Speaker 1: Bishop Sanky. Yeah. But to finish up my point there,
Speaker 1: you know, if he's on that board, you've got it.
Speaker 1: You've got to do that, don't I mean, Okay, let
Speaker 1: me ask you this. It sound like I'm begging. You're
Speaker 1: at the bottom of the fourth round. Do you trade
Speaker 1: up for a guy whose health you can't guarantee? Or
Speaker 1: you just let him fall to you? And what happens?
Speaker 1: I just got to assume that he's fallen this far,
Speaker 1: you think. But I mean that there's twenty other teams
Speaker 1: that are maybe thinking the same way, because maybe twenty
Speaker 1: other teams that have him off the board, right, that's
Speaker 1: a thing. And and every team that maybe needed a
Speaker 1: running back took it running back earlier in the draft.
Speaker 1: That's true. I mean that a lot of those I mean,
Speaker 1: Atlanta was a team that you're not worried about them
Speaker 1: taking a running That's what I was trying to think
Speaker 1: there any other of those who with key running. Atlanta
Speaker 1: addressed it, Cleveland addressed it, Yeah, Arizona. Miami hasn't addressed it. Detroit, Detroit. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm kind of leary about this number. This this so Miami.
Speaker 1: I think Miami traded out of that pick. Actually, I mean,
Speaker 1: what's in Indianapolis doing here? They could use a runner
Speaker 1: or maybe Miami still has Miami still has it at
Speaker 1: one fourteen, I could see Indianapolis here. That's another I
Speaker 1: think Indianapolis goes defense here. I have a hard I
Speaker 1: just have a hard time believing Jayagi. He's sitting there
Speaker 1: at one twenty seven. We're at one o nine. We
Speaker 1: sat there and we thought a lot of guys were
Speaker 1: gonna be But see, we feel good about it here.
Speaker 1: And now I got to imagine there's two or three
Speaker 1: other teams that feel the same way. That's I mean,
Speaker 1: that's Colts could use Colts could use a quarner. The
Speaker 1: pick is in for the Colts. Yeah, they could use
Speaker 1: they could use a corner here. But yeah, you're right
Speaker 1: about the running. Yeah, maybe another one. Yeah, I mean
Speaker 1: that that's a defense. We saw firsthand, that defense. Remember
Speaker 1: how how when that defense didn't have the corners. It
Speaker 1: was a little, oh my gosh, a little shaky that
Speaker 1: that was the Cowboys just owned them. For lack of
Speaker 1: a better term, I think they're gonna take a defensive
Speaker 1: player here myself, but I to get back to to
Speaker 1: I think you're willing to gamble because of the potential
Speaker 1: of a lot of teams having him completely off the board. Okay,
Speaker 1: here's the Colts pick, Kobe Flainer test. Yeah, this is
Speaker 1: just the worst Kobe Fliner making the pick here. Okay,
Speaker 1: go ahead, Kobe. Yeah, you're Stanford grad. All right. He's
Speaker 1: waiting for a queue apparently selection on location in Indianapolis
Speaker 1: to announce a pick in a twenty fifteen NFL draft,
Speaker 1: the Indianapolis Colts would like to welcome eighteen year season
Speaker 1: ticket holder Roger Banner. So what we going, Bush? Yeah,
Speaker 1: what you're there for? With the tenth pick of the
Speaker 1: fourth round, number one hundred and nine overall, my Indianapolis
Speaker 1: Colts select Clayton Gathers, defensive back University of Central Florida.
Speaker 1: Clayton Gathers Central Florida A good player. He'll hit you.
Speaker 1: He's a strong safety, really physical player, and he was
Speaker 1: at the Senior Bowl. Did a nice job there, a
Speaker 1: four year starter. A lot to like about this player,
Speaker 1: you know, that's what those kids said. They've done a
Speaker 1: really nice job at Central Florida. Yeah, putting players in
Speaker 1: this league and Georgia O'Leary. I mean, maybe those kids
Speaker 1: don't get to go to Florida State or Florida, but
Speaker 1: it seemed like original Leary and those guys that put
Speaker 1: a lot of guys. I know, Blake Bortles, the jury
Speaker 1: is still out of him. I think I think world
Speaker 1: will be fine. I bet they play with an edge though.
Speaker 1: You think about there, Oh yeah, I mean three big
Speaker 1: college football programs in Florida. You're probably feeling kind of
Speaker 1: undervalued if you wind up playing for UCF. Yeah. I
Speaker 1: totally agree with you on that. Sixteen picks away from
Speaker 1: the Cowboys pick a well, actually we're seventeen picks away
Speaker 1: one twenty seven the Cowboys pick one way right now.
Speaker 1: We've been talking about how at some point TJ. Clemmings
Speaker 1: is Yeah, it's another one to me in Minnesota. Yeah,
Speaker 1: Minnesota is on the clock. We've been talking about Jaii
Speaker 1: at some point he's worth it. Well, here it is too.
Speaker 1: It looks like that Minnesota is in, here we go.
Speaker 1: We are live from the Vikings News Stadium Preview Center
Speaker 1: to announce the next pick in the twenty fifteen NFL Draft.
Speaker 1: The Minnesota Vikings would like to welcome Leslie Singer, one
Speaker 1: of the nine fifty dedicated workers currently on site. It's
Speaker 1: going to help build the iconic new Vikings Stadium. With
Speaker 1: the eleventh pick of the fourth round, number one tenth
Speaker 1: overall in Minnesota, Vikings select t J. Clemings. Yeah. At
Speaker 1: some point, you know, it's just you take a gamble.
Speaker 1: Dane kind of knows what he's talking about sometimes, So
Speaker 1: who is it? Get lucky you see? Tell us about Clemmings.
Speaker 1: As far as left tackle, right tackle? What is he?
Speaker 1: He's only played right tackle, so I think that's the
Speaker 1: most comfortable Holts replacement. Yeah. Conceivably he could play some
Speaker 1: guard too, So I think the Vikings need a left guard.
Speaker 1: He could potentially fight for that starting job right away,
Speaker 1: and then right tackle could be his long term future. Um,
Speaker 1: but I think most people know his background was a
Speaker 1: defensive player. His entire life was actually a basketball player.
Speaker 1: Went went to football, started on defense and then his
Speaker 1: uh the bowl game his sophomore season so late in
Speaker 1: a sophomore season, moved to tackle. Then the last two
Speaker 1: years you just saw him get better if every game, Um,
Speaker 1: he's just so physical with his hands, he just a
Speaker 1: uses defenders. Now, he does have some lower body stiffness,
Speaker 1: and there's some things you worry about. He was exposed
Speaker 1: at the Senior Bowl a little bit. I think that's
Speaker 1: where teams are really soured on him. But the reason
Speaker 1: he's still available in the fourth round is that stress
Speaker 1: stress fracture in the foot, and we'll have to see
Speaker 1: how that plays out. This could end up being a
Speaker 1: steal for the Vike. I'm torn between whether I think
Speaker 1: they just got away with highway robbery or if there's
Speaker 1: something terribly wrong with this guy. That's the reason why
Speaker 1: you I mean falling, if you're if you're considered a
Speaker 1: late first round talent and you fall. I had him
Speaker 1: in the first round, I had him in my top fifty.
Speaker 1: I mean the fourth round a round though, you'll take
Speaker 1: go ahead and take the medical work Cowboys get with
Speaker 1: Chris Canty ten years ago. Right, we're talking about a guy.
Speaker 1: We're talking about a draft excuse me, where someone who
Speaker 1: tore his ACL three months ago went twenty one overall. Yeah,
Speaker 1: So it's I mean, and I mean a cl has
Speaker 1: come so far in the last ten or fifteen years.
Speaker 1: It's just I mean, you would I mean, when you
Speaker 1: hear stress fracture, you think, oh, he'll be fine by September,
Speaker 1: you know, I mean that's what I think. Yeah, because
Speaker 1: they throw another name out there, speaking of medicals, then
Speaker 1: Efo ekpre Olamo, the cornerback from Oregon in his ACL
Speaker 1: that was preparing for the Rose Bowl. He if had
Speaker 1: he not been hurt, he'd be perhaps a first rounder,
Speaker 1: he'd be off the board bind now right, and so
Speaker 1: have you what have you heard about the severity of
Speaker 1: his knee injury? And is he somebody that you would
Speaker 1: go ahead and take a flyer on here in the
Speaker 1: fourth Now I've heard it's not good. Yeah, it's uh,
Speaker 1: it's it's not your typical Yea. That's the thing I
Speaker 1: think fans, you know, we hear about the ACL. We well,
Speaker 1: Girly had the ACL in November. He was a top
Speaker 1: ten pick. Well, all these all these injuries exactly, they're different.
Speaker 1: There's different tears, different rehab. Every knee responds differently, and
Speaker 1: so with Efo you have a player that you just
Speaker 1: hate to see it. He was healthy his entire career
Speaker 1: and then the practice before the Rose Bowl damages that
Speaker 1: knee and you just worry about when he'll be able
Speaker 1: to help you out in the field. Is it susceptible
Speaker 1: to another injury? So for efek Parolamu, we might hear
Speaker 1: his name later today, but I'm worried about for just
Speaker 1: for him, how many teams actually have him on the board. Yeah,
Speaker 1: if he's not picked, especially in these middle rounds, it
Speaker 1: shows that, Okay, there's not a good medical on him.
Speaker 1: Trade Jackson is the pick of New England. Here offensive
Speaker 1: guard Florida State. Yeah, before I get to trade Jackson,
Speaker 1: which just from a mind everybody, we've got the you
Speaker 1: could see we're being on camera right now. We will
Speaker 1: go to war room cam as soon as they determine
Speaker 1: that they're ready for us to participate, for us to look,
Speaker 1: they say, for us, they're probably talking about some things.
Speaker 1: Are watching these names come down the board. They're actually
Speaker 1: brawling there. Yeah, they're just blood blood being shed. But yeah,
Speaker 1: as soon as the cowboys feel comfortable, they'll flip that
Speaker 1: cover and we'll go into war room cam. But trade
Speaker 1: trade Jackson. Pick I like to pick for New England.
Speaker 1: Right there, you talk about a tough brawler, brawler. And
Speaker 1: then right behind him though another one, Washington takes a
Speaker 1: Quando from from Alabama, the older brothers. Yeah, Quanji who
Speaker 1: was a second rounder last year to the Buffalo Bills. Uh.
Speaker 1: He also had some knee issues. Something in the Quanjo
Speaker 1: family running through the family. But a good player started
Speaker 1: more than a few years for Nick Saban squad down
Speaker 1: there in Tuscaloosa. Uh. He's a player you can see
Speaker 1: making an impact right away. So I think that maybe
Speaker 1: tells you they do intend playing sheriff outside taking a
Speaker 1: guard in the fourth Well, we knew they were they were.
Speaker 1: We knew that they would have to do something with
Speaker 1: the offensive line. Yeah. I mean that's something that when
Speaker 1: we when when they went on the clock at five. Yeah,
Speaker 1: we we thought about all the different potential players they
Speaker 1: could take defensively, and it was like, no, their offensive
Speaker 1: line is horrible. All right, let me ask you this now,
Speaker 1: looking back at what they did in the second round,
Speaker 1: they took Preston Smith with a thirty eighth overall. Pick
Speaker 1: I forgot about that. So Washington could have taken Leonard
Speaker 1: Williams at number five comeback with a guard in the
Speaker 1: second round. AJ can whoever right be? What do you
Speaker 1: what do you make of what their decision to go
Speaker 1: ahead and go with Shurff first and then come back
Speaker 1: with Preston Smith essentially the same position as Leonard Williams.
Speaker 1: I had suff Id Surff as a guard. I didn't
Speaker 1: have him as a tackle, and now they're thinking different. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and now they're thinking about playing him at right tackle
Speaker 1: is what they're thinking about doing. So you know, I, Hey,
Speaker 1: that's people see these players differently. I would not have played,
Speaker 1: sure if at right tackle, but I think it's on
Speaker 1: the talent of a Leonard Williams. Yeah. But what's the
Speaker 1: difference between Leonard Williams and Preston Smith? Oh? A lot,
Speaker 1: I mean a lot. That's where I'm thinking. But it's
Speaker 1: but let me ask you this is is Preston Smith
Speaker 1: a better fit into three four? I know the Jets
Speaker 1: took Leonard Williams. You know it's a three fourth scheme.
Speaker 1: Where do you I don't see Preston's I just like
Speaker 1: I don't really know they took Preston Smith to play
Speaker 1: outside linebacker. I don't really see they listed him if
Speaker 1: remembers an outside linebacker in my mind, and you guys
Speaker 1: are the gurus, you correct me if I'm wrong. Keep
Speaker 1: saying that, but keep going. Preston Smith's sounds like a
Speaker 1: better fit for Dallas, and Randy Gregory sounds like a
Speaker 1: better fit for Washington. If you're just looking at scheme,
Speaker 1: Yeah no, unless you're you're projecting Preston Smith to be
Speaker 1: a defensive five technique, which I mean that I would. Well,
Speaker 1: that's a good point, but it sounds like they expected
Speaker 1: to play linebacker, right, Well, they listed him as a linebacker,
Speaker 1: and usually when you know he in my evaluation him
Speaker 1: was always and we talked about on the Draft show,
Speaker 1: butch a guy that could play defensive in and kick
Speaker 1: inside to play a Yeah yeah, Nicol Rusher. Yeah maybe.
Speaker 1: I mean, I mean, in this day and age, though,
Speaker 1: it almost I mean, it's so flexible and so fluid.
Speaker 1: I mean, you see teams put different guys, you know,
Speaker 1: you have some teams will have like two guys with
Speaker 1: a hand on the ground on a given play. You know.
Speaker 1: So flexibility I feel like is at an all time
Speaker 1: high in the NFL defenses. But it is certainly puzzling
Speaker 1: to me. Troit is on the clock. This pick has
Speaker 1: been traded numerous times. Number one thirteen. Yes, uh, they
Speaker 1: do you have bill? Who they went, who they got
Speaker 1: to before? I'm talking Detroit detroitson a guard in the first,
Speaker 1: Afdulah in the second, Alex Carter cornerback in the third.
Speaker 1: They haven't addressed the defensive line position. Oh there we go,
Speaker 1: Gay right. Yeah, I was trying to think about Yeah,
Speaker 1: that guy, that's a shame. Yeah. I was up and
Speaker 1: down on Gay right. Yeah, both those Auburn heap was
Speaker 1: up and down. Yeah, both those all those Auburn defensive
Speaker 1: tackles in my book. You know, I'm thinking, Okay, you
Speaker 1: look pretty out there running around. Do something. He kicked
Speaker 1: some guys butts at the Senior Bowl. That's really I
Speaker 1: mean that, that's your experience. Yeah, gabright was a a
Speaker 1: top recruit and he never really lived up to that hype.
Speaker 1: But you saw the flashes, and I think that's why
Speaker 1: you take him here in the fourth round. You want
Speaker 1: to you hopefully get those flashes, turn that into consistency. Okay,
Speaker 1: my auntie's up now, and might it be a running
Speaker 1: back running trouble spot. That's what you gotta worry about
Speaker 1: right here with the running back for sure. So I mean,
Speaker 1: and you know, we were having this conversation last night
Speaker 1: and the night before that we thought they were you know,
Speaker 1: if the Rams hadn't taken Gurley at ten, you think
Speaker 1: maybe Gurley goes at fourteen to Miami. Thought Tevin Coleman
Speaker 1: and Duke Johnson might be targets down there. Duke Johnson
Speaker 1: would have been great for them, he wouldn't have had
Speaker 1: to move, but any and then back to back Cleveland
Speaker 1: picks coming up here. It is. It is interesting. And
Speaker 1: like you said, Brian, I mean, you know, a Gie's
Speaker 1: definitely a guy that comes to mind, But you don't
Speaker 1: know how different teams treating, you know, view that injury,
Speaker 1: whether they think it's something worth taking a risk on,
Speaker 1: whether he's off the board entirely. I just think that
Speaker 1: if you're the Cowboys, you've you've made your bed. Now, yeah,
Speaker 1: you've you've you've made your bed. It's I want JAYGII
Speaker 1: to be on this team. I'll just be on. I
Speaker 1: want that to happen. But I don't know if you
Speaker 1: trade up the other much you consider as far as
Speaker 1: a running back goes would be Baltimore at one twenty two.
Speaker 1: It's Pesky Ravens. I feel like I've been scaring me
Speaker 1: all draft weekends sitting up there, and we've seen something
Speaker 1: though here. It's kind of also pick at one twenty five,
Speaker 1: go ahead, it's we've seen something here though, a little
Speaker 1: bit of run at guards. If you look at the
Speaker 1: if you look at the guard. You know people we
Speaker 1: always talk about, well traditionally you don't take guards, but
Speaker 1: here are people using fourth round picks. Uh, Trey Jackson, Quanjo.
Speaker 1: Three of the last four picks have been no line. Yeah.
Speaker 1: So I mean it's it's smart from the standpoint that
Speaker 1: typically third round is an eventual starter. Fourth round. I mean,
Speaker 1: what's the mindset maybe if you get to take a
Speaker 1: guard in the fourth round and ken, Yes, so we
Speaker 1: got four room camp Kent Garrison's gonna flip it over.
Speaker 1: So everybody dressed down for Saturday except Jason Garrett. He's
Speaker 1: still gonna tie on, still rocking the tie. Yeah. Well,
Speaker 1: and you know it's, uh, this is important though. This
Speaker 1: is a Jamil Douglas is the pick of mother guard. Yeah,
Speaker 1: another guard. They list him as a tackle. He was
Speaker 1: a guard most of his career. Moved out the left
Speaker 1: tackle as a senior, but I think he's his futures
Speaker 1: in an inside and guard. Yeah. That was a guy
Speaker 1: again too that I felt like that anything in space
Speaker 1: was problematic for him. And that's why you talk about
Speaker 1: playing him inside. He needs play inside close quarters. That's
Speaker 1: his best. Best At the next level, where this cat
Speaker 1: play college football? Arizona State Sun Devils. Yeah, Lauren Socle's
Speaker 1: favorite team. As we look in the now, she's given
Speaker 1: you that you're the number one sign. She has a
Speaker 1: hearty laugh at not thumbs up. Not ab uh, Dane,
Speaker 1: you've been This pick belongs to Cleveland one fifteen. You've
Speaker 1: been there all day long with Cleveland. Do we start
Speaker 1: talking about quarterback? They were interested in Bryce Petty. You
Speaker 1: tell me, yeah, you haven't missed it. Tell me well,
Speaker 1: I mean Brett Hundley is a player. They've done some
Speaker 1: work on UM and with two picks here, it wouldn't
Speaker 1: be surprised if one of these is a quarterback. But
Speaker 1: they need a receiver too. They've avoided the receiver position.
Speaker 1: We thought they could go receiver in the first round.
Speaker 1: UM have not taken receiver yet, and they've loved their
Speaker 1: draft side. Yeah, they've had five picks. They've taken Danny Shon,
Speaker 1: cam Irving, Nate Orchard, Duke Johnson, and Xavi your Cooper. Yeah,
Speaker 1: pretty solid. You feel like all those guys are any
Speaker 1: more defense? You feel like a defense there? Yea. How
Speaker 1: do you like your secondary corner? Yeah? But safety, safety, corner,
Speaker 1: safety either one? Interesting? I don't know. I mean it's
Speaker 1: they went high last year with Justin Gilbert in the
Speaker 1: first round. Ten. Yeah, yeah, safety is a position. I
Speaker 1: would not be shocked if they go here because the
Speaker 1: free safety Gibson uh has a knee injury. They don't
Speaker 1: know long term what's his future? Looking like, safety's a possibility.
Speaker 1: I think the best player on the board right now
Speaker 1: is Amos Grady Jarrett versatility with with Amos, a player
Speaker 1: that played corner played safety. Yeah, I mean, I'm how
Speaker 1: about the Smith kid? Maybe, and we were talking about safeties,
Speaker 1: but I mean, I I don't know. I don't know
Speaker 1: that Grady Jared fits with the brow. No, I'm not
Speaker 1: saying for Cleveland. I'm saying Bills. Bill's being a Dallas
Speaker 1: cowboy homer. Right now, we're trying to work the guys,
Speaker 1: the scouts are working the draft, talk about the draft.
Speaker 1: Me and Bill are just gonna be like, what's going on?
Speaker 1: They trying to move up the board. I'm trying to
Speaker 1: get a damn Do you know Atkins went in the
Speaker 1: fourth round? We got Geno Atkins sitting on the board
Speaker 1: here in the fourth round and Grady Jarrett and uh
Speaker 1: but just setting the scene there. Yeah, you talked about
Speaker 1: the corner, I mean linebacker, maybe Browns. The Browns could
Speaker 1: go anywhere here. They need help in a lot of space,
Speaker 1: a lot of area. But you're saying, you're thinking maybe
Speaker 1: right now, are you acting dumb? He knows, No, not
Speaker 1: at all. He knows. I don't know how to do.
Speaker 1: He knows. The problem is when you keep hitting their picks,
Speaker 1: get asked a lot of questions. This guy, yeah, this guy,
Speaker 1: So this is gonna be a player yea, yeah, this
Speaker 1: is the long snapper. With Manzel at quarterback, they'll need
Speaker 1: a lot of Yeah, they'll need a good punner. But actually,
Speaker 1: if they turned the ball over, maybe nothing. May not
Speaker 1: need a punter at all. With man Zella. But she
Speaker 1: did talk about receiver there though. I mean a kid
Speaker 1: like Green Green, my boy, mcbron, Oh, here we go.
Speaker 1: Oh good that. Uh have a coach on NFL network
Speaker 1: right now who can talk about Campbell. Campbell to me,
Speaker 1: Campbell was the Landing Collins of the Big Ten, A
Speaker 1: physical strong safety. Uh, he'll hit you now in coverage.
Speaker 1: I you know, good luck. I don't think he's gonna
Speaker 1: be able to hold up. I always saw him around
Speaker 1: the line of scrimmage again, and they tried to play
Speaker 1: him back and it took him forever to get to
Speaker 1: the linshoot. But he will come for I mean when
Speaker 1: stuff's underneath, he seems to be real fine, right, But
Speaker 1: anything there was to see it, right, Yeah, when when
Speaker 1: the ball is going over the top or or he
Speaker 1: has to help on the outside, I really didn't see.
Speaker 1: I see he's more of a strong safety kind of
Speaker 1: a player myself. No, I think you pegged him exactly right.
Speaker 1: That's what's what he is. Now. You love the character
Speaker 1: with the player. Um, the resumes outstanding. He did miss
Speaker 1: a few games as a senior with an injury, but
Speaker 1: a player that there's so much alike about him. Uh,
Speaker 1: he's gonna be a solid special teams guy. And then
Speaker 1: event you see him working into the starting lineup, probably
Speaker 1: not in year one, but by year two he'll be
Speaker 1: competing for a starting job. All right, do you take
Speaker 1: Brett Huntley here? And if you're taking who might be?
Speaker 1: He was on the blockhold back to back pick. I
Speaker 1: was gonna say, if you took the quarterback after the safety, yeah,
Speaker 1: you would think if you're a quarterback, you're gonna take
Speaker 1: him first. Get our guy. It looks like they flipped
Speaker 1: it here. Yeah, arizonas on the Arizona's on the clock.
Speaker 1: I can't keep up with any of this stuff. Arizona
Speaker 1: is now on the clock. Arizona took their running back
Speaker 1: last night, so not really Arizona. Yeah, let's see, there's
Speaker 1: a good Arizona's from. I mean he's from Arizona. Here's
Speaker 1: the Browns, Cleveland Browns of Eaton, Eaton, gonna go Browns
Speaker 1: fans for the sixteenth pick of the fourth round, number
Speaker 1: one hundred and fifteen overall to Cleveland Browns select Abraham Campbell,
Speaker 1: defensive back from Northwestern. We think of those new uniforms.
Speaker 1: I don't know. I'm not digging him. I don't know how.
Speaker 1: I don't like the word. I don't like Cleveland on
Speaker 1: this chest. It's the only only Jersey that has such
Speaker 1: a very collegiate it's different. It is different. It's it's
Speaker 1: not it's not terrible when it when it came out
Speaker 1: a couple of weeks ago, I like, Um, I like
Speaker 1: the all white one by the way, as Arizona is
Speaker 1: on the clock, and they took David Johnson and running
Speaker 1: back from northern Iowa, and that's iron round. I love
Speaker 1: David john That might be the first who's that state?
Speaker 1: Delaware State A player that really moved up as the
Speaker 1: process went along. Uh, the Chiefs, I know, shut showed
Speaker 1: a lot of interest in him. Um, and the Cardinals
Speaker 1: actually moving up to get him. Interesting for like half
Speaker 1: a second, I thought Dane was stumped, and then well
Speaker 1: he's a player I looked at. But I didn't write
Speaker 1: him up because I wasn't. I didn't necessarily see a
Speaker 1: guy he's got to be a defense. Yeah, he's not
Speaker 1: looking at more of a five technique here. Yeah. But
Speaker 1: he worked out really well, moved up throughout the process,
Speaker 1: and so a little surprised to see him here this
Speaker 1: early in the fourth But I did think he would
Speaker 1: get drafted because his name just kept popping up the
Speaker 1: last few weeks. By the way on Arizona and picking
Speaker 1: David Johnson in the third round yesterday. Of course it
Speaker 1: was five picks ahead of the Cowboys pick at ninety one.
Speaker 1: I did get some intelligence here, A source tells me
Speaker 1: he was in consideration for the Cowboys at ninety one
Speaker 1: and the coaches loved him. Who's that David Johnson? I
Speaker 1: think I think that if him or Duke Johnson had
Speaker 1: still been there when they picked, I think they might
Speaker 1: have gone that direction. Hard to argue with getting Ah, well,
Speaker 1: that's the other thing. And today we haven't talked about
Speaker 1: Chads green who didn't see last night, Poor Chaz green Man.
Speaker 1: You know, just nobody is gonna be all right, no starter,
Speaker 1: I like, I like to pick a lot. But the
Speaker 1: excitement and the controversy not controversy, but there was a pick.
Speaker 1: The interest around the Randy Gregory pick definitely overshadowed an
Speaker 1: offensive line. Oh there's a tight end. Yeah. The Bell,
Speaker 1: the Bell Doozer is headed to San Francisco, Francisco. I
Speaker 1: gotta my uh my daughter is like best friends with
Speaker 1: Blake Bell's girlfriends. I've got to pause for a moment
Speaker 1: and send a text, send a text message. Get He joins,
Speaker 1: Trey Millard, by the way, former Oklahoma fullback on the
Speaker 1: San Francisco roster. Good friend and build those all where
Speaker 1: all the OU players are. You can ask him any
Speaker 1: OU players, He'll tell you what NFL team they're pight.
Speaker 1: So I need to go ahead and send these texts.
Speaker 1: So yeah, but talk talk about though. Again, he's a
Speaker 1: big guy, though, but he's got a lot of athletic ability.
Speaker 1: As far as I saw him catching the ball pretty well.
Speaker 1: He's a working progress. Yeah, he's a project. And there's
Speaker 1: some some talented tight ends on the on the board
Speaker 1: with Jesse James, Michael pruittt Ben Koy. Yeah, I really
Speaker 1: liked Sack. There's some talented guys. So but the forty
Speaker 1: nine ers jumped those guys to take the project and
Speaker 1: it might pay off. For Blake. Bell was a highly
Speaker 1: recruited quarterback and you know what, he just couldn't find
Speaker 1: the field except for those bulldozer packages where he would
Speaker 1: run over guys not use his arm. He went to
Speaker 1: the coaches and said, hey, I want to see the field.
Speaker 1: Let's try me at tight end. Great makeup and so right, yeah,
Speaker 1: he wants he knew for his long term future and
Speaker 1: to find the field. He probably had chan he's got
Speaker 1: I think he's got a chance to make it as
Speaker 1: a tight end in this league age, and he's the
Speaker 1: son of a former NFL player. He can he play
Speaker 1: in line though, I mean problem one of the scouts here,
Speaker 1: that's the problem is his ability to block in ace.
Speaker 1: But he's got the frame. He's six six. Let me
Speaker 1: and and thank you for bringing that up, Bill, because
Speaker 1: that's what I'm curious about. Am I thinking? Am I
Speaker 1: thinking too collegiately here to think this is a guy
Speaker 1: who's got experience taken the snap? I mean, did you
Speaker 1: I mean goal line running back. I know his position
Speaker 1: would be tight end. This is a guy yeah, I
Speaker 1: mean camp. I mean I would put if you're on
Speaker 1: the one, I would send in the jumbo and just
Speaker 1: put this guy in shotgun and have him. Teams finally
Speaker 1: figured it was direct snap and go, and then teams
Speaker 1: started saying, well, we're not gonna let you do that.
Speaker 1: Team than it was him doing anything and out his scheme.
Speaker 1: Then it was I would just I would have to
Speaker 1: give that guy a shot. It's coming. Anything can be
Speaker 1: your scout team quarterback, Yeah, for sure, for sure. Oh
Speaker 1: I bet he'll be playing some scout team quarterback. When
Speaker 1: now when the Chargers play the Panthers, I bet you
Speaker 1: that Kansas City's on the clock now. And uh and again,
Speaker 1: his dad played in the NFL. Was a fourth round pick.
Speaker 1: His uncle was the second overall pick. And so he's
Speaker 1: get it in his jeans too. So I'm happy to
Speaker 1: see him. Was a fourth round pick Kansas City Chiefs.
Speaker 1: Here my buddy John Dorsey, and this is the Cardinals.
Speaker 1: The Cardinals traded up in front of the Kansas City
Speaker 1: to get that Della Delaware Valley State. Yeah, defensive tackle.
Speaker 1: That that's why they had traded up to get him.
Speaker 1: That they knew the Chiefs wanted him. And so for
Speaker 1: Meek Wilson, one of my favorite players, and I have
Speaker 1: him on my board in the fifth round. And I
Speaker 1: will say this about him though, I mean, I saw
Speaker 1: one of my favorite I've got a lot of players,
Speaker 1: but it's gonna you watch him and this Herrera kid
Speaker 1: play at Georgia. This kid is a junior, led the
Speaker 1: SEC and tackles and he is he is, Yeah, he
Speaker 1: is all over the field, and I loved him. I
Speaker 1: had him as a guy we want of the mock drafts.
Speaker 1: I actually mocked him to the Cowboys as a run
Speaker 1: hit linebacker, but he he was. He's got the dreads,
Speaker 1: he's he's always flying around plays off block. I mean,
Speaker 1: a little bit of an undersized guy. But I love
Speaker 1: the way the guy ran. I love the way he
Speaker 1: kind of was sneaky, the way he got some through
Speaker 1: the cracks, but he when he saw the ball, he
Speaker 1: was there. He's gonna be a secure tackler. The coverage
Speaker 1: stuff they're gonna have to work on a little bit.
Speaker 1: But as far as the guy that run hit and
Speaker 1: get the bulkcare on the ground, that was my guy.
Speaker 1: Fantastic segue. I mean, we talked about d Tach, we
Speaker 1: talked about running back. Linebacker is a spot. I mean,
Speaker 1: you you feel probably good about your first two or
Speaker 1: three guys there, but I mean, and we know that
Speaker 1: they were interested in linebacker and in the first and
Speaker 1: second round, so you figure maybe you don't feel great
Speaker 1: about the overall. I mean, is that a consideration here? Well,
Speaker 1: feel good about anybody though. I mean, they've got numbers.
Speaker 1: They've got a lot of numbers. They got a lot
Speaker 1: of numbers, but that but who can you upgrade the numbers?
Speaker 1: Can upgrade. How's your depth? Look, Ronda mcclean's on one
Speaker 1: year deal, on Lee's and never healthy. So I mean,
Speaker 1: is there a guy here that's in this range? I wrote,
Speaker 1: I wrote about a guy that I like, but I
Speaker 1: and I have him in the fourth round, and that
Speaker 1: would be a Damon Wilson. Wilson from Minnesota. I'm gonna
Speaker 1: say the same. Yeah, I think that's yeah. He is
Speaker 1: an inside guy. He's an inside guy. You could play cousin. Yeah,
Speaker 1: Mary Nelly, mary Nelli talked on the fourth and one
Speaker 1: in the fifth. There you go. You know, it's interesting
Speaker 1: when Mary Nelly was talking about though, looking at those
Speaker 1: weak side linebackers like Anthon absolutely versatil we can play
Speaker 1: all three. And that's one of the things too. I
Speaker 1: think even when they were looking at a McKinney versus
Speaker 1: a Kitchens in the in the first round, Um, all right,
Speaker 1: they're even though Shuntley's moving to the wheel right now,
Speaker 1: he can possibly move back to the middle of the
Speaker 1: absolutely if he would, he would, If if anything were
Speaker 1: to happen to mcclan I would have seen exactly. But
Speaker 1: if you're drafting a guy who could be an eventual
Speaker 1: starter next year the year after, who's more of a will?
Speaker 1: You have that versatility there where Sean could move back inside.
Speaker 1: That wouldn't be the most stunning development in the world.
Speaker 1: When we talked about it might have been Shack Thompson
Speaker 1: on Thursday night. He had still been there, that's right,
Speaker 1: although they may have played him in sub packages his
Speaker 1: rookie year and where with the idea that he'd be
Speaker 1: the will next year after if McLean wasn't here. Andrew Denal, however,
Speaker 1: you say his last name was headed from Saint Louis.
Speaker 1: The quote unquote other tackle at Iowa this year, a
Speaker 1: player who four consecutives time Academy of Country Music and
Speaker 1: four time Country Music Association Entertainer of the Year, Guy
Speaker 1: Kenny Chesney. Tonight, Kennedy's a fan. He's he's a fan
Speaker 1: of every It's too part of his twenty fifteen tour, Kenny,
Speaker 1: It's my turn. Yes. Well, the with the eighteenth pick
Speaker 1: of the fourth round, number one hundred and seventeen overall,
Speaker 1: the San Francisco forty nine ers select Blake Bell todd
Speaker 1: In from Oklahoma. Here we go. So there's the official announcement,
Speaker 1: the news that we gave you moments ago. Oklahoma's Kenny
Speaker 1: Chesney's favorite team except for Wing's rooming for Tennessee are
Speaker 1: the Saints. The Saints. Yeah, him and Sean Payner pick
Speaker 1: a team, Kenny, come on, Yeah, to get back that
Speaker 1: we talked about don ell I watched it was going crazy.
Speaker 1: Someone's going crazy, I talking about Donnelle. I really okay, Oh,
Speaker 1: helmet we go. It was a hellman's helmet was left
Speaker 1: on the computer and that was causing that. David doesn't
Speaker 1: think professional broadcasters. And then there's David Helmet. There's I
Speaker 1: will say this though about Donnelle, and you watch again
Speaker 1: when you watch Iowa tape. Uh, this guy I thought
Speaker 1: he was. People used the word serviceable. I think he's
Speaker 1: better than that. As a right tackle. When they were
Speaker 1: running those stretch plays, zone plays, there were games where,
Speaker 1: you know, Wisconsin, Nebraska, he was getting outside and hooking
Speaker 1: his man. You know, it not always gonna completely wipe
Speaker 1: somebody out of the play, not gonna just blow somebody
Speaker 1: off the line. But when you talked about a guy
Speaker 1: that would get on his block, stay on his feet,
Speaker 1: get some push, allow the back to make a cut,
Speaker 1: Andrew Dunnelle was a guy that I really I thought, Hey,
Speaker 1: if you to me, he looked more athletic than the
Speaker 1: Wisconsin than Haverstein, right, I mean, and I know they're
Speaker 1: both kind of, you know, brawler kind of guys. I
Speaker 1: used the word brawler, but when I always say that,
Speaker 1: when you don't have you're not very athletic. But this
Speaker 1: guy did a pretty good job. I thought of finishing blocks,
Speaker 1: not being on the ground, not flopping around some you know,
Speaker 1: he's gonna get real close to you on pass protection.
Speaker 1: He's not gonna let you, you know, not gonna extend
Speaker 1: on you and really sit down on you, but he's
Speaker 1: gonna get into on, tight on you, try and hold
Speaker 1: you off the play, and you know him. Sheriff and
Speaker 1: Danelle were in the same recruiting class and for Sheriff,
Speaker 1: he saw the field very early and obviously he flourished,
Speaker 1: and for Danelle he waited his turn. He did not
Speaker 1: start until his senior year, was the starting right tackle,
Speaker 1: started all thirteen games. Uh, he does it. I don't
Speaker 1: love his punch. I don't There's a lot of things
Speaker 1: that he needs to work on, but again, he really
Speaker 1: takes pride in his technique and the player that he
Speaker 1: is so of the work ethic, love the attitude. I
Speaker 1: think he's going to really compete for snaps here early
Speaker 1: in his career. Yeah, all right, Cincinnati is on the clock.
Speaker 1: The pick is in for the Bengals again. Jaya Jaii
Speaker 1: is still sitting there for the Cowboys, who are seven
Speaker 1: picks away one twenty seven. Baltimore has two picks and
Speaker 1: they have a running back need. Prior to the Colborn
Speaker 1: and then and the Ravens have had a history of
Speaker 1: finding ways to spoil things in a draft room every
Speaker 1: once in a while, so be alert for that. To
Speaker 1: me in the Bengals have now got their pick in.
Speaker 1: It wasn't surprised me. Maybe I don't know they've I'm
Speaker 1: just gonna trying to make a guess here. I mean,
Speaker 1: if you're talking about best players on the board, guys
Speaker 1: like you know Bennett, you know he's an Ohio guy. Yeah,
Speaker 1: so you know, would they go that route and another
Speaker 1: geno Actings and Grady could go secondary here und number
Speaker 1: one hundred and twenty overall, our Cincinnati Bengals select Josh Shaw.
Speaker 1: Here we got another guy the Cowboys like, Yeah, Josh Shaw.
Speaker 1: That was a guy I wrote about today it's one
Speaker 1: of the go ahead and yeah, as as the as
Speaker 1: one of the ghost guys. If the Cowboys were going
Speaker 1: to go for another cornerback and a guy that potentially
Speaker 1: could be again position flex, Dan talk about him maybe
Speaker 1: playing some safety too if you had to. But you know,
Speaker 1: with the and with with Josh Shaw, you wonder what
Speaker 1: could have been if you know, last summer he does
Speaker 1: not have the incident where he jumped off a balcony
Speaker 1: evading police at his door, and then he lies about it.
Speaker 1: And you know, it's not so much the fact that
Speaker 1: the reason he's still available in the fourth round not
Speaker 1: so much because of the lie and that incident, but
Speaker 1: it's the fact that he injured himself. He put himself
Speaker 1: in that situation, and he had he played in three
Speaker 1: games as a senior. He didn't have any senior tape
Speaker 1: for scouts to look at safety. Is he more of
Speaker 1: a safety? I think it's really split depending on who
Speaker 1: you talk to, because he has the makeup to stay
Speaker 1: at corner, but he looks like a safety. And so
Speaker 1: where do you like him better? When you scouted Brian,
Speaker 1: I thought I thought he could play corner myself. I thought,
Speaker 1: is that his best position. I think it's his best position.
Speaker 1: I tell you what, the guy. I like the way
Speaker 1: he moves, I mean, the way he gets up on
Speaker 1: he turned. I think he could play off coverage too.
Speaker 1: Drive on the ball. I think he sees the field
Speaker 1: pretty well. And I think he handled the aftermath of
Speaker 1: his incident in the lying and so forth. He he
Speaker 1: actually spoke at the USC graduation ceremony and so I
Speaker 1: thought that was admirable about him. Dorian Grant, quarterback Ohio
Speaker 1: State goes to Pittsburgh. Dorian Grant. Another announcement here from
Speaker 1: Dorian for the Steelers pick of the fourth round, number one,
Speaker 1: twenty one overall. The Pittsburgh Steelers selector Rand Grant, defensive
Speaker 1: back from a high state. There was another corner along
Speaker 1: with Josh Shaw that the Cowboys could have had their
Speaker 1: eye on if they fell Um. And you know Dorn
Speaker 1: Grant coming from northeast Ohio. I mean, I keep my
Speaker 1: eye on these guys. And uh, he's from same high
Speaker 1: school Lebron James is from UM. It was a top recruit.
Speaker 1: He goes to Ohio State and it probably didn't do much.
Speaker 1: And now as a senior again he stepped up and
Speaker 1: he was a part of that defense that helped with
Speaker 1: the National championship. But a player that's well rounded. But
Speaker 1: there's just not much you really get excited about. So um,
Speaker 1: I think he's the type of player that you see
Speaker 1: the traits, not necessarily the production. So Steelers there with
Speaker 1: the getting him in the fourth round. I don't see
Speaker 1: a player that plays to his measurables. No, he doesn't.
Speaker 1: I see a guy that team guys receivers pushed this
Speaker 1: guy around. He's got He's going to a team where
Speaker 1: he better learned to be tough. You know, he better
Speaker 1: step up or Dorrin Grant is not going to be
Speaker 1: very long for this league. And I'm with you so
Speaker 1: so many times it looked like he was going through
Speaker 1: the motions and just, uh, you know, doing the minimal
Speaker 1: and so he needs to play above what he can
Speaker 1: do in orders down the field. Okay, Bill if I'm sorry, Dave, Yeah,
Speaker 1: Stephen Jones being on the fields, be on the field,
Speaker 1: be on the phone. Uh, they were looking Jerry Junior
Speaker 1: was had walked all the way over to the right
Speaker 1: side of that board. I don't know if you can
Speaker 1: see Jason Garrett's looking in that direction. That would be
Speaker 1: the sixth and seventh round area. Maybe they were, Uh
Speaker 1: I was looking at pick Look, seventh round picks, I
Speaker 1: don't have any value. Yeah, well, you know they's you know,
Speaker 1: they're kind of smiling about it right now. It might
Speaker 1: be a deal that someone called and said, hey, listen,
Speaker 1: we'll flip you this for that. It wasn't a very
Speaker 1: long phone call. No, but Jerry and I don't know
Speaker 1: if we could get it on the camera completely, but
Speaker 1: Jerry Junior is walking, he's looking around at the picks
Speaker 1: and stuff. Good, good opportunity to just kind of around. Yeah,
Speaker 1: for everybody. You know, sometimes you hear from readers like,
Speaker 1: deal your seventh rounders for this, Well, both of the
Speaker 1: Cowboys picks and the seventh round or worth a combined
Speaker 1: four points. Uh so, but if someone really wanted somebody,
Speaker 1: they could you could exchange it, like if you sure
Speaker 1: Cowboys wanted to get into sixth round or exactly something exactly.
Speaker 1: I mean, really, they don't have a fish. They don't
Speaker 1: have a sixth round pick. They do not, and so
Speaker 1: it could be a situation where a team to whatever
Speaker 1: the team values that pick. As Sure were worried about
Speaker 1: he got the Ravens up this was a selection. We
Speaker 1: were worried about it. Sure is terrified is actually the
Speaker 1: word that I would Here we go with here, there
Speaker 1: we go with the twenty third pick of the fourth round,
Speaker 1: number one twenty two overall, the bottomore Ravens select Zadarius
Speaker 1: Zadarius Smith. There we go. We're not on camera, but
Speaker 1: I just fish pumped the other pass rusher from Kentucky.
Speaker 1: But Bud Dupre was on one side, says Darius Smith
Speaker 1: was on the other. Uh. Interesting backstory with he was
Speaker 1: a basketball player and you know, closer to the end
Speaker 1: of his high school career, he kind of understood, you
Speaker 1: know what, I'm not going to be an NBA player,
Speaker 1: so let's try football. Goes to JUCO level after two years,
Speaker 1: then goes to Kentucky and he he bypassed some other
Speaker 1: SEC offer SEC offers to go to Kentucky. I'm still
Speaker 1: learning how to play the position. But you just look
Speaker 1: at him, he just looks like an NFL player. Oh
Speaker 1: he does look like an NFL player though, And there's
Speaker 1: times where you're like, going, he's playing better than Buddy Pree.
Speaker 1: You know, when you talk about I think I think
Speaker 1: he does a really nice job. The best thing I
Speaker 1: saw about him was how physical he is at the
Speaker 1: point of attack. I think that's something Bud Dupree is
Speaker 1: a an athlete. This guy is a hit you get
Speaker 1: off the block, chase to play, get you on the
Speaker 1: ground kind of guy. So that's for guy to last
Speaker 1: in the fourth time, that's about where he needed to
Speaker 1: be selected. Yeah, maybe late third, probably early fourth. So
Speaker 1: I think that's excellent value here. You know we had
Speaker 1: some movement there or you know Cleveland is picking. Oh ye,
Speaker 1: Cleveland's got more of a running back need than what Arizona.
Speaker 1: They just took that right. Here's the interesting thing to me,
Speaker 1: and you know, there you go. He was one of
Speaker 1: the top receivers left on the board. So it's a
Speaker 1: good pick for them. Vince Mayo talk about him just
Speaker 1: a little bit, because I did not see Vince Mayl play.
Speaker 1: You didn't like him or you didn't I didn't. I
Speaker 1: just tell me about him though. I mean what you
Speaker 1: saw on the player, A good sized player at six
Speaker 1: two to twenty five. He interesting background. Uh, he was
Speaker 1: a basketball player and then he decided to go to football.
Speaker 1: I started at the JUCO level, goes to Washington State.
Speaker 1: Really productive. He had over a hundred catches last year,
Speaker 1: uh for the Cougars. And so I think you have
Speaker 1: a player that he reminds me a lot of DeVante Parker.
Speaker 1: He's not quite as talented, not quite as gifted, but
Speaker 1: that type of style and that mold. And so if
Speaker 1: you can get uh we talked about Jamison Crowder being
Speaker 1: Brandon Cook's light. Well, this is what Vince Maylee is.
Speaker 1: He's DeVante Parker light. Uh, not quite at that level,
Speaker 1: not quite as gifted, but that style of receiver, size, athleticism,
Speaker 1: plays up to his size consistently to overwhelm defensive backs.
Speaker 1: And you know, we're still what, we're still four three
Speaker 1: picks away from Dallas at right now, but here is
Speaker 1: here and you know, obviously I've made no secret about
Speaker 1: the fact that Jagiu is my guy. But at this point,
Speaker 1: I mean, you feel, I'm feeling pretty good that a
Speaker 1: guy there they like is going to be there, though,
Speaker 1: I mean, whether whether Barrett is still there. Um, your
Speaker 1: your boy from Minnesota, Damian Wilson. Yeah, So it seems
Speaker 1: like they're gonna have a guy that they like there
Speaker 1: to choose from. It might not be the running back,
Speaker 1: but they should have an opportunity to pick someone they
Speaker 1: feel good about at at a position of need too,
Speaker 1: because whether it's linebacker, whether it's defensive tackle. I just
Speaker 1: once again I think they're all. You know Jerry Jones.
Speaker 1: You see the war room, he had at straw in
Speaker 1: his mouth, and I guarantee he is chopping on that too,
Speaker 1: because I don't want to jinx it, but this is
Speaker 1: kind of the third day in a row where playing
Speaker 1: the waiting game has kind of worked in their favor.
Speaker 1: I mean, to this point, it's it's working out. You
Speaker 1: might have just chinked it. Well. We got a wooden
Speaker 1: table in here that I just knocked on. Got Oakland, Baltimore,
Speaker 1: San Francisco, and then Dallas. It looks like that maybe
Speaker 1: as your Tampa is now on the clock at this
Speaker 1: pick at one twenty four, So the Oakland Raiders backed
Speaker 1: out here. This is Tampa's pick. Now. I feel like
Speaker 1: Oakland Tampa's been dealing all over the place in this draft.
Speaker 1: Let me look up, Tampa. I got somebody in mind tackles.
Speaker 1: They haven't had a pick its second round, Am I
Speaker 1: right on that? I don't believe. I'm pretty sure I
Speaker 1: don't think Tampa Bay has taken a defensive player in
Speaker 1: the draft. They've got no, not just this year, but thirteen.
Speaker 1: Could you could could this be been it? Could this
Speaker 1: be a guy to play Lovey Shirt's uh, Lovey Smith's scheme,
Speaker 1: play the one, play the three. Kind of a guy
Speaker 1: just look at the end. The other day. They got
Speaker 1: a ton of defensive linemen on their roster, but play Yeah,
Speaker 1: Henry Melton's one of them. Yeah, that's true, any of them.
Speaker 1: Gerald McCoy we know can play right, Yeah, very well,
Speaker 1: he can play some football. Um canna be on my
Speaker 1: team anytime. But you are right, it's been it's been
Speaker 1: two offensive linemen in a quarterback. There's what they have
Speaker 1: on their defense. And they just picked up George Johnson,
Speaker 1: a defensive end who was a restricted free agent from Detroit.
Speaker 1: Pick is in. Yeah, William Goldston, you got a team, Spence,
Speaker 1: Clinton McDonald, Henry Melton, d tack will make sense here.
Speaker 1: I like I heard yesterday, linebackers that can run. They
Speaker 1: haven't taken any defenders this year, which means the last
Speaker 1: time they took a defender was late in twenty Ump bump,
Speaker 1: All right, ls, you guys tell us about and where
Speaker 1: is he is? An athletic son of a gun. Yeah,
Speaker 1: they an inside linebacker. I mean Bruce Carter. They said
Speaker 1: Bruce Carter is gonna be their middle linebacker. I think
Speaker 1: and Brian you're you're the you're the tape, But I
Speaker 1: would think that Kwan would play Will Lavante David's playing
Speaker 1: Will for Yeah? Well that well, I mean is he
Speaker 1: I mean you're not drafting him in the fourth round
Speaker 1: to be a starter, though, are you? Probably? Are you
Speaker 1: think he's gonna play Mike linebacker? I mean he's I
Speaker 1: mean he's fast, it's a strong side. Yeah, he's a
Speaker 1: fast guy. I play him at Mike. Okay, yeah, because
Speaker 1: David David's gonna play though he's he's not a he's
Speaker 1: not a bulky dude. No. But but the run hit again,
Speaker 1: in this scheme, you gotta have guys that run hit
Speaker 1: and and that's something you know when even though some
Speaker 1: of the blitzer I thought he was a really good blitzer. Yeah,
Speaker 1: myself watching the tape and and yeah, I mean he's
Speaker 1: he's he's athletic. He is an athletic guy. So I
Speaker 1: mean they'll find a spot if he's gonna If he's
Speaker 1: gonna play Mike, then the fact. I mean he can
Speaker 1: get from sideline to sideline. You're like, you better than
Speaker 1: Bruce Carter. Oh, that's tough. I like Bruce Carter a
Speaker 1: lot when he wants when he's playing, well, the problem
Speaker 1: is that that's only like half the time. M But
Speaker 1: I wouldn't you probably, I mean, not gonna play Bruce
Speaker 1: and Mike. Okay, you're the Ravens are on the clubs.
Speaker 1: They were saying when they when they signed him, they said,
Speaker 1: he's our middle linebacker. That is the one spot he
Speaker 1: never really tried out here. Four let's say fourth round.
Speaker 1: We got two picks before Dallas Baltimore in San Francisco. Yeah,
Speaker 1: pick his in for Baltimore Baltimore. We we've sweated this pick.
Speaker 1: Don't do me like this Ravens. Yeah, well it'll be
Speaker 1: interesting because again they they're they're it's funny. Their team
Speaker 1: needs seem to be the same as the Cowboys. They
Speaker 1: just brought four setback. I know. I mean he's thirty
Speaker 1: thirty one. I know he's not a spring chicken. Oh
Speaker 1: they took that's fine. That's a very good chance that
Speaker 1: could have been picked one twenty seven. It could have been. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I know, they like him. Well, it doesn't like to
Speaker 1: me in the war room, they're they're, they're they're talking
Speaker 1: about the board right now. They're over there all focused
Speaker 1: in on it, uh, seeing exactly it would be left,
Speaker 1: you know, the heck baches, Yeah, nudge for we need
Speaker 1: a running back. Yeah, let's get a running back, physical
Speaker 1: running at too. Yeah, this kid go get him. I
Speaker 1: mean if he has sent back still on the board.
Speaker 1: To me, the fourth round has always been the round.
Speaker 1: This is I'm like I said earlier, I mean, this
Speaker 1: is equivalent and it's a little different because I mean
Speaker 1: it's it's injury, but I mean it's this is a
Speaker 1: lot like getting Randy Gregory at sixty. You never thought
Speaker 1: he'd be there. This There any other running backs that
Speaker 1: they would like at this point, Mike Davis, buck Allen
Speaker 1: off the board. I would say it's a Stephen Stephen
Speaker 1: steps excited about something. So it's either I mean it
Speaker 1: would I would say Mike Davis or or um Ji
Speaker 1: would be the top two left. I know Cop is
Speaker 1: probably still there somewhere, but probably not in the fourth round.
Speaker 1: They looks like to me, yeah, they they're they're they're happy.
Speaker 1: They sweated. Oh wait, okay, well maybe maybe our Minnesota guys.
Speaker 1: This might be Damon will This might be Damien Wilson
Speaker 1: is what this might be? So uh uh breaking my
Speaker 1: heart Cowboys. Yeah, I might be too much for them
Speaker 1: to uh to even uh take right, I mean again,
Speaker 1: he just keeps going down the board, down the board,
Speaker 1: down the board. And hey, the medical side of it.
Speaker 1: Did anybody believe Jerry Jones when he said running back
Speaker 1: was not a muth Yeah? Anybody? I didn't, I know,
Speaker 1: I didn't believe it. Well, here we are. Yeah, well
Speaker 1: let's see, let's see. I mean again, they're shaking him.
Speaker 1: Nobody's on the no, Yeah, they got they got him
Speaker 1: on the phone, Jerry, Jerry, Jerry's gonna go first here,
Speaker 1: and so we're we're guessing Damian Wilson. Yeah, especially with
Speaker 1: the lineman unless we're missing somebody here. By the way,
Speaker 1: Mike Davis went to San Francisco to pick previous to
Speaker 1: Dallas two straight running Raskill before Dallas, which is on
Speaker 1: the clock on the phone with their pick. Right now,
Speaker 1: the Cowboys have made their selection, and I and by
Speaker 1: with with Matt Eberflus being on that phone, I think
Speaker 1: that we're probably pretty accurate and saying that Damien Wilson
Speaker 1: is going to be this guy, the linebacker from Minnesota,
Speaker 1: and we talked about him, Dane. I mean you can
Speaker 1: give a good scouting report on him as well. Yeah,
Speaker 1: a player, a juco guy, goes to Minnesota and starts
Speaker 1: the last two years in the middle and junior year,
Speaker 1: senior year. Okay, he caught my eye. A player who
Speaker 1: lost some weight, amped up the focus and really showed up.
Speaker 1: He's one of the Big Ten's best players this past season.
Speaker 1: On defense, you just you love the way he's active.
Speaker 1: He directs traffic, pre stamp. It's a restuff for my report.
Speaker 1: Diagnosed skills to attack and finish. Aggressive play gets him
Speaker 1: in trouble at times, but he's well rounded, physical temperament
Speaker 1: that fits what NFL teams are looking for at the
Speaker 1: position mike most likely you want him inside. So six
Speaker 1: foot two five, Yeah, he's six foot two forty five
Speaker 1: ran a four seven seven forty yard dash. A guy
Speaker 1: who I graded him as more of a backup, but
Speaker 1: the type of player that's going to push your starters
Speaker 1: for playing time. And this would mean that mcclean's your
Speaker 1: starter right now. We'll see what the future holds for
Speaker 1: him in Dallas, but if he is a starter here,
Speaker 1: we got stadium to announce our next pick. In a
Speaker 1: two thousand, fifteen NFLCAFT the Dallas Cowboys would like to
Speaker 1: welcome sponsor Representative Michael Stockton. Thank you. With the twenty
Speaker 1: eighth pick or the fourth round number one hundred and
Speaker 1: twenty seventh overall, the Dallas Cowboys select Damien Wilson, linebacker.
Speaker 1: Minnesota pick Yeah, Amy and Wilson. And you know, if
Speaker 1: I mean, my heart breaks for Jji E. But if
Speaker 1: you move past that, uh, you know, like we were
Speaker 1: talking about maybe ten fifteen picks ago, this is not
Speaker 1: that surprising when you consider the Cowboys needs. When you
Speaker 1: talk about you know, they looked at Shack Thompson the
Speaker 1: first round. We talked about Eric Hendricks as a possibility
Speaker 1: all spring. I mean, yes, linebacker looks relatively set for
Speaker 1: the time being. But I mean it's not like you
Speaker 1: can exactly trust Sean Lee's injury history. Rolando McLean is
Speaker 1: on a one year deal and has an injury history
Speaker 1: of his own. Yeah, and then you know, you factor
Speaker 1: in the fact that they don't have a great candidate
Speaker 1: for Sam. I don't know how Damian Wilson plays into that,
Speaker 1: But it is something to consider. It's you know, this
Speaker 1: was a This was a spot that I'm not surprised
Speaker 1: to see them address. Like I said, I am a
Speaker 1: little bit of surprised that we have made four picks
Speaker 1: here and there is no running back, but I'm certainly
Speaker 1: not surprised that they had a linebacker. Well, I'll tell
Speaker 1: you what, and you gotta trust Mattieberflus last year he
Speaker 1: has earned it. After last year he brought you. He
Speaker 1: brought you Anti Hitsum, handshakes all around. And if I
Speaker 1: could just kind of piggyback on what Dane was saying,
Speaker 1: this guy plays with a burst. He can cover some
Speaker 1: ground when he chases a ball, wrap up tackler. Uh,
Speaker 1: you know, I think he needs to be on the move.
Speaker 1: He finds a way to split double team blocks and screens,
Speaker 1: can really change directions, awareness and knock the ball down
Speaker 1: to coach. He's a quick footed player, quick reactions would
Speaker 1: make every single way if he wasn't held. That was
Speaker 1: something I saw. Special player when it comes to getting
Speaker 1: to the football, makes plays all over the field. There's
Speaker 1: no way he plays to his forty time. I said,
Speaker 1: and we had a forty time of a four seven
Speaker 1: nine that this kid is a much faster football player.
Speaker 1: He's an aware football player. They should be very excited
Speaker 1: to have a guy like this one hundred and nineteen tackles,
Speaker 1: ten point five for lost, four sacks, one pick, three
Speaker 1: pass breakups and a forced fumble last year for the Gophers.
Speaker 1: And Damian Wilson went to the NFLPA game and he impressed.
Speaker 1: I think what his performance there that week really helped
Speaker 1: him as well. Young guy doesn't turn twenty two until
Speaker 1: next month or this month, later this month. Um, you know,
Speaker 1: and there's a reason Minnesota was much better. Yeah, playing
Speaker 1: in the Big Ten this year. I mean they played
Speaker 1: a decent game against TCU. Um, yeah, they were in
Speaker 1: a bowl game. I mean they they they've got a
Speaker 1: they this is not your Yeah, Minnesota has done a
Speaker 1: much better job recruiting. Oh, you know, they had the
Speaker 1: kid from Atlanta, the defensive tackle that they've had, some
Speaker 1: guys that Max Williams tied in. It was drafted. If
Speaker 1: you would have told me that, you know, Damian Wilson
Speaker 1: would go before David Cobb, I would have been surprised
Speaker 1: a little bit. I thought David Cobb would be off
Speaker 1: the board first, but nonetheless a good linebacker here in Dallas.
Speaker 1: And to Chaz Green was he he was a visit. Yeah,
Speaker 1: all four Dallas picks have been guys that were in
Speaker 1: Valley Ranch at some point this spring, because I know
Speaker 1: as recently as a week or two ago, I saw
Speaker 1: Matt Eberflus and Damian Wilson kind of shooting the breeze
Speaker 1: getting to know each other here at Valley Ranch. So
Speaker 1: this is a guy. You know, when you get into
Speaker 1: this part of the draft and you're hearing names that
Speaker 1: you're not necessarily familiar with, these this is These are
Speaker 1: calculated decisions these guys are making. When you fact, when
Speaker 1: you talk about all four picks are guys that they
Speaker 1: liked enough to bring here get to know and see
Speaker 1: what they were all about before they added under the team.
Speaker 1: And John Feliciano is the pick of Oakland here. I remember,
Speaker 1: I remember how and you know, if you guys watch
Speaker 1: more Tepe than I do. But I was thrown for
Speaker 1: a total loop by the Anthony Hitchins pick last year.
Speaker 1: It seemed way too early, It seemed kind of to
Speaker 1: be out of left field, and we all know that
Speaker 1: hitch had had a pretty decent rookie season, play in
Speaker 1: all three linebacker spots last year, So based on the
Speaker 1: track record from last year, it's hard for me to
Speaker 1: knock the pick too much. But like I said, I mean,
Speaker 1: you know, if you had told me on Thursday morning
Speaker 1: that we'd be sitting here at pick one twenty nine
Speaker 1: and the Cowboys wouldn't have a running back yet, I
Speaker 1: would I would say that would surprise me. Yeah, but
Speaker 1: it's it's hard to argue with the four picks that
Speaker 1: they have made though, in my opinion, based on need,
Speaker 1: based on the value you get for him. Yeah, a
Speaker 1: lot of names to at linebacker now, and but do
Speaker 1: you know there there if you get a good problem
Speaker 1: to happen when you consider the injury problems at linebacker
Speaker 1: it has been. But if you get guys like a
Speaker 1: Damie Wilson, you get a guy like Anti Hitchins, those
Speaker 1: cats that can really run, you know, and can get
Speaker 1: to the football and play in the game, and you know,
Speaker 1: and cover a little bit cover ground. That's that's those
Speaker 1: are the traits you're looking for right now. This is
Speaker 1: a it's a crowded core right now. I mean, that's
Speaker 1: a crowded room when you figure, I mean, McClain and
Speaker 1: Lee are your two that you figure to be on
Speaker 1: the field from as often as possible. But you have Hitch,
Speaker 1: you have this guy, Damien Wilson, You've got Andrew Gashcar
Speaker 1: who came in in free agency. Keith Rivers gets completely
Speaker 1: forgotten about former top ten pick. Not I mean it
Speaker 1: certainly hasn't lived up to that building during his career,
Speaker 1: but he has shown flashes of production during his career.
Speaker 1: Jasper Brinkley was Jasper Brinkley was another one who came
Speaker 1: in before McClain was back in the fold, so you
Speaker 1: figure they gave him a look at Mike Well and
Speaker 1: then you've got yourth and Cam laws Lawrence. But Cam
Speaker 1: Lawrence is a guy that you know. I think that
Speaker 1: now when you start drafting guys like this, then Cam
Speaker 1: Lawrence becomes a guy that gets replaced Cam Cam Lawrence
Speaker 1: and Keith Smith or maybe maybe not long for the roster,
Speaker 1: but hey, that's what training camps for, right, Yeah. Absolutely,
Speaker 1: And what I like about this if if indeed this
Speaker 1: pick turns out and Dabe Wilson is able to make
Speaker 1: the transition to the NFL and become an eventual starter
Speaker 1: as you're leaving Shawn Lee as the will linebacker. It's
Speaker 1: not moving back inside. I mean it. And like I said,
Speaker 1: it doesn't look like a position of need for twenty
Speaker 1: fifteen because you feel good about your top two guys,
Speaker 1: but neither one of them has a pension for staying
Speaker 1: on the field for very long. And neither one of them.
Speaker 1: Uh well, Lee's under contract for a little while, but
Speaker 1: but Rolando McClean is obviously on a one year deal.
Speaker 1: So you know you this kind of gives you a
Speaker 1: little bit of a clearer picture going into the next
Speaker 1: two or three seasons as opposed to just twenty fifteen.
Speaker 1: Green Bay is up next, and yeah, do you have
Speaker 1: anybody running back in the fifth round or later that
Speaker 1: would be a prospect? Well, it's cold to see ji
Speaker 1: how that? Yeah, I mean that's still gonna be a
Speaker 1: wild David Cobb. What about Damien Wilson's cousin? Get we
Speaker 1: get both Minnesota guys? Story for US writers once you
Speaker 1: get into the fifth, sixth, seventh rounds, I like, I
Speaker 1: like the kid from North Dakota State, John Crockett, Oh yeah,
Speaker 1: he talk about a motor that never quits. That mouth
Speaker 1: never quits too. He's a he loves to talk green
Speaker 1: based in how do we and you know we taught overall.
Speaker 1: The Oakland Raiders select John Feliciano, guard from Miami is
Speaker 1: the Raiders. Yeah Felicianos, you just root for him. He's
Speaker 1: a self made player. Um it really came from nothing
Speaker 1: and built himself into put himself into a viable starter
Speaker 1: at the college level. And here he is a fourth
Speaker 1: round draft pick. Can play guard, can play tackle. I
Speaker 1: really like his versatility. The Packers got a good person
Speaker 1: and a pretty good player too. Yeah, he tried the Raiders.
Speaker 1: Packers on the clock. Now their their picks about to
Speaker 1: be announced. Ted Thompson always my old buddy there. Uh.
Speaker 1: He likes big ten type players. He likes this tough guy.
Speaker 1: And we talk about the Packers and what they've done
Speaker 1: with you know, they have to deal with the players
Speaker 1: that live in that environment, understand the cold, playing the cold,
Speaker 1: and that's when you when you start talking. It looks
Speaker 1: like here they're they're whooping it up here a little
Speaker 1: bit here at the at the at the lambeau Field.
Speaker 1: Let's see what they got. Fifteen NFL Draft. The Green
Speaker 1: Bay Packers would like to welcome Robert mckennie of Milwaukee,
Speaker 1: Wisconsin with the thirtieth With the thirtieth pick of the
Speaker 1: fourth round, number one twenty nine overall, the Green Bay
Speaker 1: Packers select Jake Ryan, linebacker from the University of Michigan.
Speaker 1: Speaking of a physical, big ten linebacker, Jake Ryan, Jack Ryan.
Speaker 1: There we go. Did you see? Uh? You see Jason
Speaker 1: Garrett's affectionate butt slap for Will McClay. There highlight of
Speaker 1: our coverage today. Very nice, very nice. So Uh, I've
Speaker 1: been told that that Matt Eberflus is going to come
Speaker 1: in here and just a minute, and I will exit
Speaker 1: when he comes here, and I'll can talk to him.
Speaker 1: I need to I need to go eleven and suffer.
Speaker 1: We've been we've been getting the picks on the air here.
Speaker 1: I wonder is Damian Wilson going to be joining us? Well,
Speaker 1: I'm sure that our talented team in there will let
Speaker 1: us know if that, in case is going to happen. Uh,
Speaker 1: we're running. We're almost to the coming up on the
Speaker 1: end of Yeah, we're coming up. Well, we're coming on
Speaker 1: the end of the picks that can be traded. This
Speaker 1: will be the last one the New England. Excuse me, really,
Speaker 1: you got Seattle left and in New England that can't
Speaker 1: be traded with all uh, with all due respect to
Speaker 1: the seventh round gyms that that exists in the NFL,
Speaker 1: we're uh, you know, entering the fifth round, the last
Speaker 1: um the last really meaningful pick that the Cowboy I mean,
Speaker 1: you don't think of seventh rounders as difference makers. Obviously
Speaker 1: there's a reason their point values are so low. So really,
Speaker 1: I mean, and and the Cowboys don't hold a sixth
Speaker 1: round pick, So heading into the last big pick of
Speaker 1: this draft for the Cowboys before they have you know,
Speaker 1: two shots at seventh round guys, heading into the end
Speaker 1: of the day, you know, barring any any movement up
Speaker 1: or down from the team. But that's where where we're standing,
Speaker 1: with what six more picks to make in the fourth round. Yea.
Speaker 1: And where you're standing at the running back position right
Speaker 1: now is Joseph Randall, Darren McFadden, Lance Dunbar, Ryan Williams, which,
Speaker 1: like I said, hey, maybe the Cowboys weren't bluffing after all.
Speaker 1: I mean, Ryan Williams second round pick in twenty eleven.
Speaker 1: By by the way, Randall has been basically totally cleared
Speaker 1: from the You're from any illegal wrongdoing. When the police
Speaker 1: out here in OTA's is Randall taking the first team
Speaker 1: snaps out here at running back, Oh, it's I think McFadden.
Speaker 1: We run dmc all. I think I think McFadden. I
Speaker 1: think they're gonna make They're gonna make Randall. They're gonna
Speaker 1: make Randall earn his spot on and he absolutely should
Speaker 1: have to. Ye. I think that's only fair. Yeah, I
Speaker 1: believe we've got coach Eberflus right now, So I'm gonna
Speaker 1: bail out. Okay, gonna take my headset here. Okay, thank
Speaker 1: you very much. Bill, special treat for us to add
Speaker 1: Eberflus the linebacker coach slides in. This would be the
Speaker 1: man who is the linebacker whisperer in who is looking
Speaker 1: very very happy with the team owners. Yeah, and coach, congratulations.
Speaker 1: First off of grabbing Damian and Wilson, and talk a
Speaker 1: little bit about and I and I've had the great
Speaker 1: fortune to bump into you and even in the parking
Speaker 1: lot of the hallway, and and you've been nice enough
Speaker 1: to always ask ask him answer my questions. But talk
Speaker 1: a little bit about Damian. I mean, I love the tape.
Speaker 1: I love what I've seen the player, but I know
Speaker 1: you have to love him even more. Yeah, I mean,
Speaker 1: here's a lot of good things to like about this player. Um.
Speaker 1: You know. Number one is his motor. He likes he
Speaker 1: plays the game in the right way, So that's what
Speaker 1: we look at and we want to make sure he
Speaker 1: does that. And then the movement skills he has, we
Speaker 1: like those things in turns on the tape. You know,
Speaker 1: he's able to play in space, and as you know,
Speaker 1: the college game is that way. In the programs that
Speaker 1: way a lot too. Uh. Nowadays, you know, eighty percent
Speaker 1: of it's going to be an eleven personnel. We're gonna
Speaker 1: be in Nickels, So he has to be able to
Speaker 1: fit into that will and Mike spot um in our
Speaker 1: defensive scheme. Um. But he does all those things, you know,
Speaker 1: And then you know, the last thing is you know,
Speaker 1: for him be able to learn the scheme and be
Speaker 1: able to fit into those things in terms of what
Speaker 1: we have in our room already. So we're excited about
Speaker 1: him his future and I can't wait to hit for
Speaker 1: him to get here. This might as well be twenty fourteen.
Speaker 1: I mean, we go into the fourth round and the
Speaker 1: Cowboys get a workman like, oh, take it all day,
Speaker 1: he can do it. What I mean, can you obviously
Speaker 1: really successful rookie season from Anthony Hitchins? How does how
Speaker 1: does Damien relate to it? To hitch And I mean
Speaker 1: I start I feel like there's got to be some
Speaker 1: kind of bomb between those guys given the similarities there
Speaker 1: and how they can play off each other and help
Speaker 1: the depth in your linebacker corps. Yeah, I mean, you
Speaker 1: know those guys are They're similar in some reguards, in
Speaker 1: different and in a lot of ways. But you know,
Speaker 1: I think what you look at when you bring a
Speaker 1: guy in and I always do this as I keep
Speaker 1: an open mind when I look at the whole group
Speaker 1: every single year, you got to kind of wipe it
Speaker 1: clean and say, okay, now let's look at these guys
Speaker 1: separately and then look look at him collectively and how
Speaker 1: do they fit together. So his ability to play the Sam,
Speaker 1: the mic and the will positions, you know, who's up
Speaker 1: for the game. That's really big for us as an
Speaker 1: organization because now the combinations are more you know, it's
Speaker 1: not like, oh, he's only played Sam. Well, then the
Speaker 1: combinations aren't as good if you've got a guy that's
Speaker 1: got versatility. Now we got like we had in Saint Louis,
Speaker 1: who we have opened for the game. Yeah, exactly what
Speaker 1: we had. We had Hitchens, right, we had Bruce, and
Speaker 1: then we had we had wilbur Yeah, those are the
Speaker 1: three guys that were really up for the game. You know,
Speaker 1: the combinations was there? You know, we're there And did
Speaker 1: we played that that great during the game. No, but
Speaker 1: we made some plays to win the game. You yeah,
Speaker 1: you know, so we made a few plays to win.
Speaker 1: So that's what I'm talking about. You gotta have versatility
Speaker 1: and that's this young man brings that to us. And
Speaker 1: one thing I loved about Wilson watching him, it's passion.
Speaker 1: I hated to come off the field. He'd tough his
Speaker 1: way through injuries. Um. Is that something that you know,
Speaker 1: maybe could see a big presence on special teams as well,
Speaker 1: even as a rookie. Yeah. I mean, you know, Rich
Speaker 1: and I are always working together because you know, we're
Speaker 1: we're on the same page of what we're looking for.
Speaker 1: We're looking for athletic players that have, you know, some
Speaker 1: size to him because I think in special teams you
Speaker 1: need some size to anchor on the punt team and
Speaker 1: to take on the blocks on the on the kickoff
Speaker 1: return and all those types of things and and you
Speaker 1: know bully type of you know blockers and get off
Speaker 1: them on the kickoff and those those things that Rich
Speaker 1: likes to talk about. But and the same thing is
Speaker 1: really for me. You know, he has to build it.
Speaker 1: He has a he's a longer, longer armed guy. You know,
Speaker 1: he's like thirty three inch armor coach to that, and
Speaker 1: he can do a good job of really extending. Now
Speaker 1: he hasn't been doing that in college, so that's one
Speaker 1: thing that we're going to need to work on with him,
Speaker 1: you know, in terms of using his length and separating.
Speaker 1: But that's a skill that can be taught and a
Speaker 1: skill can he can enhance and improve on just because
Speaker 1: of his frame of his body. Yeah, thirty three and
Speaker 1: three quarters in charms, So he definitely has the length,
Speaker 1: I know. I mean, versatility is the key, and I
Speaker 1: know you just we're talking about that. But for a rookie,
Speaker 1: I mean, is there a spot that you like him
Speaker 1: the best at starting out, especially with the amount of
Speaker 1: older guys above him on the depth chart right now?
Speaker 1: Just getting his feet went yeah, I mean, it's hard
Speaker 1: for me to say that right now. Let's take a
Speaker 1: look at him, Let's bring him in and we'll see
Speaker 1: where he fits into the group. But he's certainly going
Speaker 1: to be a big, a huge piece of that Coach,
Speaker 1: thanks a lot for joining us. And then I'm still
Speaker 1: in a similar players, I know you're excited about having him.
Speaker 1: You've just done a great job with all these linebackers.
Speaker 1: Every week it's like who's up, who's down, but you
Speaker 1: put everybody out there plays their ass off and that's
Speaker 1: a credit to you and the guys you have. So
Speaker 1: thank you very much, Joins, thanks for having me. Thank
Speaker 1: you very much, coach. Okay, do have said player here?
Speaker 1: Damon Wilson, the newly drafted linebacker from the University of Minnesota. Damon,
Speaker 1: welcome first off here with Ryan broad Us and David
Speaker 1: Hellman and Dane Brugler from Dallas Cowboys dot Com. Welcome
Speaker 1: to the Dallas Cowboys. Thank you, thank you, well good Hey.
Speaker 1: We just had coach Mattie Reflus on and you know
Speaker 1: he was talking about all the versatility you have and
Speaker 1: all of us have had the opportunity to watch you
Speaker 1: on tape to really study you, and it's very impressive
Speaker 1: your ability to get to the football. The way you
Speaker 1: may plays this group in Dallas is the same way
Speaker 1: with coach he Reflus talk about though, you know, coming
Speaker 1: in here and getting an opportunity to play in a
Speaker 1: scheme where it really it highlights those things that you
Speaker 1: do very well. I mean, I'm very lucky to be
Speaker 1: have been got drafted some of Dallas Cowboys. I'm playing
Speaker 1: such a good scheme well, such good coaches. And on
Speaker 1: my visit, we talked about it a little bit and
Speaker 1: we talked about the versatility of me playing any of
Speaker 1: the three baptism and I'm just really excited to have
Speaker 1: started with that and I just give it all I got. Hey, Damien,
Speaker 1: congrats man Um. You know, just looking looking at your bio,
Speaker 1: looking at your tape, can you just kind of give
Speaker 1: us a sense We talked about your versatility in here
Speaker 1: before you got on the phone, but just kind of
Speaker 1: give us a sense of I guess what you would
Speaker 1: say your biggest strength is coming in here off the
Speaker 1: bat well, I get the defense lined up pretty well,
Speaker 1: and I say my biggest strait would be my tackling
Speaker 1: in my pursuit and you know, let's another give him
Speaker 1: up on the play, just tracking the ball wherever it goes,
Speaker 1: no matter how far it is. And Damien, you know, congratulations,
Speaker 1: You've had, you know, a different journey than other people take.
Speaker 1: You know, started at Alcorn State, then go to the
Speaker 1: community college level, then end up at Minnesota. Kind of
Speaker 1: talk about your journey and how you ended up here. Uh, well,
Speaker 1: you know, I wasn't highly recruited out of high school,
Speaker 1: so all Coign State was really my only offer. But
Speaker 1: I really didn't gas, so I transport uh Jones Junior College.
Speaker 1: You don't had a pretty good year that picked up
Speaker 1: those college ships. Before I graduated, I already had a
Speaker 1: cousin that I went to Minnesota. He played running back
Speaker 1: day to corb. He actually in the draft too, And
Speaker 1: uh yeah, that was it right there. Minnesota was my
Speaker 1: charge from that part off Damon, you know, and again
Speaker 1: watching you on tape and and the fact that you
Speaker 1: are you know, played in the Big Ten, a very
Speaker 1: physical conference. Uh but you know a guy that you know,
Speaker 1: when you when you talk about your height and your
Speaker 1: weight and all that and your ability and stuff, you're
Speaker 1: one of those guys that could take on blocks, get
Speaker 1: off blocks, go make plays though. Talk about though, the
Speaker 1: fact that and how that helped you playing at Minnesota,
Speaker 1: lining up against Ohio State in the snow, and all
Speaker 1: those different teams that you've played against through your career,
Speaker 1: and how it's prepared you to step into the National
Speaker 1: Football League. Well, playing in the big Pain, I'll say
Speaker 1: that they are I'm in a huge right athletic. Yeah,
Speaker 1: like most typical NFL alignment that you'll find out of
Speaker 1: any conference. So I think playing against those guys from
Speaker 1: week to week was a good practice for this. Well,
Speaker 1: I'm about to go into right now. Yeah, well, good,
Speaker 1: well listen, dame. We know that we're gonna let you
Speaker 1: go here, but thank you so much for taking the time. Yeah,
Speaker 1: congratulations to you. We're you know again, all of us
Speaker 1: have had a chance to sit down and watch you
Speaker 1: play at the University of Minnesota. The folks there in Minneapolis,
Speaker 1: Saint Paul should be very proud of what you were
Speaker 1: as a player there and now what you're looking forward
Speaker 1: to doing here with Dallas. A matter of fact, Minnesota
Speaker 1: is on the preseason schedule this year, so I'm sure
Speaker 1: we'll get to see you firsthand making some plays against
Speaker 1: their guys. But again, congratulations and we look forward to
Speaker 1: seeing you down the road. All right, thank you for
Speaker 1: having me. Ill appreciate it, all right, Damian Wilson, nice kid. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I'll tell you what. It really is funny to me
Speaker 1: the U. I mean, how how far away are Iowa
Speaker 1: and Minnesota? I mean, big ten guys tackle monsters. Four
Speaker 1: frown Eberflus goes in and and gets the little fist
Speaker 1: pump action on uh. And you know so Anthony Hingins
Speaker 1: and and and Damian Wilson, I mean this, I mean,
Speaker 1: the comparisons are gonna be there, you know, hopefully hopefully
Speaker 1: for Damian Hitchins's success as a rookie. You know, hopefully
Speaker 1: he's not held to too high of a standard because obviously,
Speaker 1: you know, Hitchins went in there, like Mattiberflus said here
Speaker 1: on the radio a couple of minutes ago, you know,
Speaker 1: eleven eleven starts last last season, ultime positions, just a
Speaker 1: really outstanding rookie season. So well, the one thing, expectations
Speaker 1: will be lifted, I think because of that, and I
Speaker 1: think it goes through with again with Rod Marinelli. It's
Speaker 1: about accountability and the one thing when you play in
Speaker 1: this scheme is you you're not gonna sit there and
Speaker 1: say I'm not gonna be on I'm not gonna play today.
Speaker 1: You know, if you're if you're talented enough, and you
Speaker 1: could play a couple of different positions, and you know
Speaker 1: they're Anthony Hitchins. He you know, there's times he probably thought, Okay, day,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna be the backup and then something happens and
Speaker 1: he's playing that, you know, and he's played at two
Speaker 1: or three different spots in a particular game. And so
Speaker 1: I think that's something that that that these these young guys,
Speaker 1: and especially a guy like Damian Wilson, who you know,
Speaker 1: Mattie Reflus talked about, can play as them. Mike can't play,
Speaker 1: but he keeps an open mind about it. I love
Speaker 1: I love that right now he doesn't necessarily know which
Speaker 1: spot he's best, you know, gonna start at, and they
Speaker 1: and they will and they figure it out. Yet they
Speaker 1: will fire. And they did it with Anthony Hitchens, they
Speaker 1: did at the Hingens. So anyway, okay, we're moving along
Speaker 1: in the draft. Here we are now the last pick
Speaker 1: of the round. I believe that just happened, and that
Speaker 1: was Trey Walker defensive back from Texas Southern. That would
Speaker 1: be Baltimore's pick at one thirty six. I'll recap uh,
Speaker 1: Jake Ryan, let me go from one twenty nine, just
Speaker 1: to get you up to speed. Case you're out there
Speaker 1: driving around or whatever or listening to us and you're
Speaker 1: you're you're just want to know. The Green Bay Packers
Speaker 1: took Jake Ryan, the linebacker from UH from a minute
Speaker 1: from Michigan. Excuse me, Terry Pool to tackle from San
Speaker 1: Diego State went to Seattle. Shack Mason, a personal favorite.
Speaker 1: Dame Brudos guards center from Georgia Tech went to the
Speaker 1: New England Patriots, who continue to build rebuild their team.
Speaker 1: They're like their third and fourth the round picks something
Speaker 1: better than their second round pick in my opinion, Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: they've I love what the Patriots I've done in the
Speaker 1: third and fourth round. Hated their second round pick. Jordan Richards. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I love what they've done. Third, fourth, They they have
Speaker 1: they have a vision. Deandre's Smelter wide receiver from Georgia Tech.
Speaker 1: He's interesting, is it San Francisco. There's some I heard
Speaker 1: some medical questions or a character duestion. It's it's medical.
Speaker 1: There's no question about that. He has a lot of
Speaker 1: medical questions, but so intriguing for a baseball player. Six
Speaker 1: two two twenty five. You know he's in at the
Speaker 1: Marriest Thomas Mold, but yeah, can you stay on the
Speaker 1: field for you had an ACL injury most recently has
Speaker 1: some shoulder stuff. So if he can stay healthy, DeAndre
Speaker 1: Smelter could end up being a huge steal in this draft.
Speaker 1: Denver Broncos then to select Max Garcia, a center from Florida.
Speaker 1: I thought he was a really stiff legged, straight legged guy.
Speaker 1: Position blocker. Wasn't really high on him. But maybe with
Speaker 1: the Denver of the schemes and stuff like that, that
Speaker 1: there is another Florida lineman off the board. That's what
Speaker 1: three now? Yeah, you see, And then again we ask
Speaker 1: why the team is not any good a lot of
Speaker 1: and that they're running back went pretty early too, Okay.
Speaker 1: The next would be the Seattle Seahawks were back on
Speaker 1: the clock here and it was Mark Glewinsky. Uh Glinsky
Speaker 1: is that right? Daniel Glewinsky. He he played actually with
Speaker 1: Kevin White at Lackawanna Junior College and then they both
Speaker 1: ended up ending up at West Virginia. So uh, Glewinsky's
Speaker 1: he's a tough throwback kid guards and can also play tackles,
Speaker 1: so as a versatility. Okay, one thirty five. Since a
Speaker 1: Bengals took Marcus Hardison, they've had success with Arizona State
Speaker 1: players in the past, So Marvin Lewis and the Gang
Speaker 1: grab a defensive tackle that I think is one of
Speaker 1: those guys. It looks pretty underachieves a lot, and again,
Speaker 1: I think you'd have to say, if they could get
Speaker 1: on track, that he could be. But they've done it
Speaker 1: before with those Arizona State players, So let's see. And
Speaker 1: then you talked about Trey Walker or you did not
Speaker 1: talk at Trey Walk I'm sorry. The Baltimore Ravens finished around.
Speaker 1: They took Trey Walker. Interesting prospect he is, Yeah, he is,
Speaker 1: and a big player. Who will you know him? I
Speaker 1: don't know him, but I mean I've read up on
Speaker 1: him because he was sort of a late bloomer on
Speaker 1: everybody's radar, not Dane Brugler's radar, I'm sure, but I'm sorry.
Speaker 1: A player we just talked about a lot greed Jared
Speaker 1: off the board. Now to the Falcons. Yeah, the Falcon
Speaker 1: The Falcons just uh you knew it couldn't last forever.
Speaker 1: You couldn't last forever. This is a pick that's just
Speaker 1: been much traded. It would be picked one thirty seven.
Speaker 1: It's gone from Minnesota, from Tampa, through Buffalo and now
Speaker 1: in the hands the Atlanta Falcons. So they've got him
Speaker 1: playing three four or are they moving back to four three?
Speaker 1: What's the Seattle's Seattle? That was a short lived experiment. Yeah,
Speaker 1: so here he gets definitely a fourth three player. Yeah
Speaker 1: that's all. That's what I was gonna say, is that
Speaker 1: does makes sense for a three or four team. So
Speaker 1: Grady Jarrett the defensive tackle, he's the He's the son
Speaker 1: of Jesse Tuggle by the way, so he fits perfectly.
Speaker 1: His uncle, his or slash godfather's Ray ray Lewis. He
Speaker 1: works out with Ray Lewis on a daily basis. He
Speaker 1: has those intangibles you're looking for. He's got very high motor.
Speaker 1: I call him, you know, the little tea cup because
Speaker 1: he's he's short and stout. You know, he's he's able
Speaker 1: to be that quick penetrator, but he doesn't all he
Speaker 1: doesn't give up ground either. So um, he's not going
Speaker 1: to fit every scheme, but at this point in the
Speaker 1: fifth round, you know, take him. He's also joining Clemson
Speaker 1: teammate Vic Beasley in Atlanta, which is not more than two.
Speaker 1: You know, it's interesting because some people will compared him
Speaker 1: because size wise and so forth with Aaron Donald. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and Aaron Donald is a whatyo tenth of the draft
Speaker 1: people comparing with Geno Atkins as well, who was a
Speaker 1: fourth round pick, and that typically when you've got that short,
Speaker 1: your little up right, you're gonna go fourth or fifth
Speaker 1: round under size. But Aaron Donald just he was off
Speaker 1: the charts with his athletics and his production at pitt
Speaker 1: as well. Grady Jarrett did not have as much production
Speaker 1: at Clemson, although he did affect a number of plays. Yeah,
Speaker 1: we got the secret audio from the war room when
Speaker 1: Jerry Jones, Jason Garret, mattieverflu Saal grab on them jump
Speaker 1: on the phone with Damian Wilson. So let's go to that, Damien. Yes,
Speaker 1: we're calling you in here from the draft room, missus
Speaker 1: Jerry Jones with the Dallas Cowboys. So we're put turning
Speaker 1: your card in and congratulations, you're gonna have that star
Speaker 1: on your helmet and we're proud of it too. I've
Speaker 1: got your head coach sitting here with me. I've got
Speaker 1: your defensive coordinator, I've got you linebacker coach. But the
Speaker 1: one that's grinned the most is the special team's coach.
Speaker 1: So he's said over here besides you, and he did
Speaker 1: a big old and up. So let's go to work, cowboy.
Speaker 1: All right, here's the coach garage head coach. Yeah, well, Damien, Well, congratulations, man,
Speaker 1: thank you. Are you're ready to get to work? Yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm ready to go right now. We literally got five
Speaker 1: coaches around, big smiles on their faces. Yeah, we've been
Speaker 1: hanging on here. We're excited to have you. I'm gonna
Speaker 1: side with some I hear some noise in the background too. Yeah, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: that's that's great stuff. I'm gonna see you on Thursday.
Speaker 1: Get ready to get to work. All right, all right, man,
Speaker 1: take care of Damien. We're going on. How's it going, buddy, Congratulations,
Speaker 1: go a lot better enough. Yeah, I'm excited. Yeah, this
Speaker 1: is a great spot for you. I can't wait to
Speaker 1: get my hands on you. And we know, like we
Speaker 1: did in the room when you came on your thirty visit,
Speaker 1: I was gonna teach you one thing at a time
Speaker 1: and and get going and just improve every day. Okay,
Speaker 1: and we're gonna work at it. And you don't tell
Speaker 1: you what. You're gonna make a lot of plays for us.
Speaker 1: So I'm exciting going about it. Okay, I'll love it.
Speaker 1: TV congratulations, It must have just gone up on the TV.
Speaker 1: That's probably what happened. As oh man, they're about to
Speaker 1: go crazy again because his cousin. His cousin was taken
Speaker 1: by the Tennessee Titans. So yeah, so yeah, David, if
Speaker 1: you're thinking running back for the Cowboys at this point,
Speaker 1: you're it's Jedi E or bust. Well, you know one Crockett,
Speaker 1: Yeah you got you got another guy, Thomas Rawls. Thomas Rawls.
Speaker 1: Thomas Rawls is a guy that played at Michigan for
Speaker 1: three years and then transferred to Central Michigan. And I'll
Speaker 1: tell you this, though, you talk about a guy that's
Speaker 1: a finisher, you know, I mean he you know, there's
Speaker 1: a lot of times at Central Michigan that they missed
Speaker 1: guys like Fisher. They're blocking for him because this kid
Speaker 1: had to create a lot on his own. And uh,
Speaker 1: you could see he was a talented football player, you know,
Speaker 1: coming from like say, coming from Eversity of Michigan. Uh,
Speaker 1: you know, when he gets in the second level, he's
Speaker 1: gonna finish the runs. So he gets on the outside,
Speaker 1: they trying to he gonna step out of bounce. No,
Speaker 1: he's gonna lower his shoulder. He's gonna hit you right
Speaker 1: in the mouth. I would say, if that's, if that's
Speaker 1: if Rawles is a guy. I mean, I had him
Speaker 1: in my board in the fifth round. I still think
Speaker 1: a GI is in the play here, y, I do.
Speaker 1: I do think. I think there's gonna come a point
Speaker 1: in time where where the where the uh, the risk
Speaker 1: is just totally now. Okay, here we go. This is
Speaker 1: a guy we're gonna go with and and and and
Speaker 1: and have at it. I'm gonna I'm gonna make a
Speaker 1: or I'm gonna I'm gonna make a projection, and you
Speaker 1: tell me if I'm off base or not. Is I mean,
Speaker 1: you know, when we talk about a GI, he being
Speaker 1: top forty, top fifty talent, assuming his knee checks out,
Speaker 1: he's a guy that if you draft him, I assume,
Speaker 1: if he's healthy, he's got the talent to be one
Speaker 1: A or one B. You know, I mean, if you're
Speaker 1: saying McFadden's you're one, then I think a gi he's
Speaker 1: right there at the top of the heap above Randall,
Speaker 1: Dunbar and Williams. We feel good about that. Yeah, I
Speaker 1: have no problem with the player. I thought he was
Speaker 1: probably a player that's gonna be taken in the second
Speaker 1: round when so and and and Dane's told you this
Speaker 1: because he's done all the research that the player is
Speaker 1: ready to go. Now, this is not a way, this
Speaker 1: is not this. Yeah, but okay, So if you take
Speaker 1: Rawls or dig up another running back here, um, where
Speaker 1: do you see like where where do you see Rawles
Speaker 1: factoring into that depth chart as a rookie. I mean,
Speaker 1: if you're talking about this late in the draft, I'm
Speaker 1: just gonna have to eat these Okay. How how you're
Speaker 1: not thinking about a guy who can carry as much
Speaker 1: of the load right away, are you? And he's a
Speaker 1: seventh rounder then right, I think you're looking at a
Speaker 1: seventh round like that. But he's a practice squad guy,
Speaker 1: then well no, but but maybe and maybe heat the
Speaker 1: other four that's but can he beat can he beat Randall?
Speaker 1: And can he beat Williams? That's gonna be the question
Speaker 1: because they've signed dunn Bar, they're gonna go with McFadden.
Speaker 1: It's Williams and Randall to have roster spots exactly. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's seventh round. You're right built to me. Okay, if
Speaker 1: that's the case, take a gi that dis take it.
Speaker 1: That's the guy they could put. I'm just saying, no, no, no,
Speaker 1: no no, that's the guy that could put the others
Speaker 1: on the street. I'm sitting here thinking, like I said,
Speaker 1: a gi ear bus because anybody else I'm not thinking
Speaker 1: I have confidence in to win a job, because i mean,
Speaker 1: four running backs is a lot they're not going to
Speaker 1: carry for one of those guys probably loses a job,
Speaker 1: as is maybe two if you draft a GII. So
Speaker 1: it'll be interesting with the way they've loaded up on
Speaker 1: fullbacks here. Yeah, they got two on the roster right now. Yeah,
Speaker 1: here's that they would love to have a fullback on
Speaker 1: this roster apparently, which maybe throw in that into the
Speaker 1: mix in the seventh round two if they really really
Speaker 1: want to go that route where they have a fullback
Speaker 1: on the roster, you assume that Darren McFadden is here,
Speaker 1: Lands Dunbar is definitely here. If you keep a fullback here,
Speaker 1: if you keep a fullback you're talking about, I mean,
Speaker 1: you're somebody that you probably don't want to let go of.
Speaker 1: It's probably losing a job this summer. That'll be I mean,
Speaker 1: even if you don't draft a GI, it'll be interesting
Speaker 1: to look at. But you know, it's certainly I certainly
Speaker 1: think they could use the boost if they can get
Speaker 1: this kid. Going back to what Brian said about Rawls,
Speaker 1: My biggest thing with him that I worry about is, Yes,
Speaker 1: he'll go and he'll he'll hit the defender, he'll run
Speaker 1: over guys, but sometimes he passes up open lanes to
Speaker 1: do so, and I think he has almost too much
Speaker 1: of a hungry temperament to do that. Um, and you know,
Speaker 1: you wonder he was at Michigan for this first three years.
Speaker 1: I didn't find the field. Um, there's just some there's
Speaker 1: some baggage, there's some question marks. Uh so, but you
Speaker 1: do have a talented player. You watch his highlights and
Speaker 1: you go, WHOA, okay something here? How big is he
Speaker 1: two hundred? He's a good size. Yeah, I think he
Speaker 1: was two fifteen. He's not a scatback type. He's not
Speaker 1: Anne Bar type. He is a between the tackles guy
Speaker 1: five nine to fifteen. Yeah, he can, he can, he could. Okay,
Speaker 1: Heeney goes to Oakland linebacker from Kansas. Absolutely, Ben Heeny
Speaker 1: will go at set pick one for you. Let's take
Speaker 1: a break. We haven't done that yet today. Okay, everybody's
Speaker 1: a time out. Yeah, and give everybody a chance to
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Speaker 1: Tom and you look inside the draft room where the
Speaker 1: Cowboys are waiting to make their fifth round selection, which
Speaker 1: is number one sixty three overall. I'm Bill Jones along
Speaker 1: with Brian brought us, Dane Brugler. David Hellman has stepped
Speaker 1: out for just a moment, but we appreciate you joining
Speaker 1: us or pick by pick coverage of the twenty fifteen
Speaker 1: NFL Draft. While we were in our little time out
Speaker 1: there the Washington Redskins a pick number one forty one
Speaker 1: selected Mark trell Spake, the linebacker from Arkansas. So we
Speaker 1: are some twenty two picks away from the Cowboys pick
Speaker 1: in the fifth round, number one sixty three. And again
Speaker 1: if you're just joining us, Damian Wilson, linebacker from Minnesota,
Speaker 1: just joined us live on the air, as did linebackers
Speaker 1: coach Maddi eber Flows as the Cowboys fourth round selection,
Speaker 1: number one twenty seven was at linebacker. Still no running
Speaker 1: backs in this draft class, and Jerry Jones was right,
Speaker 1: they're not valuing running back. We all didn't want to
Speaker 1: believe him. We all thought it was a smoke screen.
Speaker 1: We all thought a lot of negative things about you know,
Speaker 1: how you're going to go forward with the running backs
Speaker 1: currently on the roster. But they feel like right now
Speaker 1: that that's the route that they're going to go. So
Speaker 1: I again, at some point in time, and we're I'm
Speaker 1: beating a dead horse here, but at some point in time,
Speaker 1: there's gonna be some value, some value for Jay Age.
Speaker 1: I think there's got there's just there's gonna be value
Speaker 1: that if you, if you, unless they have him completely
Speaker 1: off the board, which I don't think they do right,
Speaker 1: then then that's you know, there's value there. But if
Speaker 1: we later find out that he's off the board, then
Speaker 1: Brian brought us to spend two hours of his life
Speaker 1: here talking about something that wasn't going to happen in
Speaker 1: the first place. Well, and that's that's the draft for you.
Speaker 1: Though you know it's happened with Clemings exactly, he just
Speaker 1: don't know. And looking at my top one hundred guys
Speaker 1: that are left now, obviously some of these are medical
Speaker 1: situations and with Lyle Collins another situation. But jayagi um
Speaker 1: efore Olamu, that's another medical situation. Michael Bennett, the defensive
Speaker 1: tackle out of Ohio State. Yeah, rickiem Nunez Rochez defensive
Speaker 1: tackle Southern miss Trey McBride, William and Mary the receiver.
Speaker 1: One of my favorite players this year. Charles Gains, a
Speaker 1: corner out of Louisville who has has some character stuff.
Speaker 1: So I think that's a reason why he's still on
Speaker 1: the board. Tyler Davison, defensive tackle Fresno State. And then
Speaker 1: Christian Covington, the defensive tackle out of Rice. Another medical
Speaker 1: thing going on with him. Had a had a knee
Speaker 1: issue and so I think that's why we still have
Speaker 1: him available on the board. You know, at this point,
Speaker 1: I here Huntley from you he was not my top
Speaker 1: one hundred, Okay, but he is still available. Yeah, Brett Hundley,
Speaker 1: the quarterback from UCLA is still available. You know. We've
Speaker 1: also talked about the fact that the Cowboys could stand
Speaker 1: adding more to their inventory in the secondary, and there
Speaker 1: are some cornerbacks that are available right now that might
Speaker 1: fit into this fifth round range, including Kevin White from Tcue,
Speaker 1: Corey Shepard from Kansas. It was a local product out
Speaker 1: of Mesquite, Texas, and so they can still go in
Speaker 1: a number of directions here. They still haven't replaced Dwayne
Speaker 1: Harris on this roster, and of course with his special
Speaker 1: team's ability, the backup wide receiver who had a very
Speaker 1: nice deal in free agency. And Adrian Amos is the
Speaker 1: pick here of who is on the Chicago Chicago Bears.
Speaker 1: Adrian Amos, the safety from Penn State. Yeah, and I'll
Speaker 1: tell you what, a lot of people liked him as
Speaker 1: a one of those guys that could be like a
Speaker 1: true free safety, and you know that's I think that's
Speaker 1: where he fits best. You know, there's uh you see
Speaker 1: him play back. I think he's more of a cover
Speaker 1: guy than he is a physical get up on you
Speaker 1: played downhill. He will make tackles, he will come forward.
Speaker 1: U there were times, and I go back to watching
Speaker 1: the Central Florida game when you know with their receiver
Speaker 1: with Perry Ball going down the field and him having
Speaker 1: to run over and try. I don't see a guy
Speaker 1: that's really fast. I don't see a very quick guy.
Speaker 1: I see a guy, though, is a willing tackler, but
Speaker 1: he does have that ability to cover in some space,
Speaker 1: and so he's I think that's why the Bears. Bears
Speaker 1: are bad at safety. We've always had to deal every
Speaker 1: time we've ever talked about the Bears, it's been the
Speaker 1: safety play has been awful. And this kid is a
Speaker 1: will give him an opportunity to maybe have a better
Speaker 1: player than what they've been playing with. He's a tweeter
Speaker 1: for me, I'm not sure about him at corner. I'm
Speaker 1: not sure about him at safety. I think he looks
Speaker 1: like a corner. He does physically looks like a corner.
Speaker 1: He's too reactive for me. I don't think he anticipates.
Speaker 1: He waits for the action to unfold before he reacts.
Speaker 1: But he tested well and so I think some people
Speaker 1: thought he'd go earlier than this, but this, I think
Speaker 1: this is a good value for him here in the
Speaker 1: fifth a player that you can plug in in the
Speaker 1: safety mix. He'll compete for a job there in Chicago
Speaker 1: with their bad situation at safety. So with the Adrian
Speaker 1: Amos not a bad pick here in the fifth round.
Speaker 1: You know one thing Cowboys fans wonder, would the Cowboys
Speaker 1: take a quarterback in this draft? And if you slept
Speaker 1: in and joined us late, Tier been out running your saturday.
Speaker 1: Aaron same and Petty went to the New York Jets
Speaker 1: early in the fourth round. But Bret Hundley still there
Speaker 1: and Brett Huntley as a guy that the Cowboys at
Speaker 1: least worked out. Yeah, you know, and when you talk
Speaker 1: to Wade Wilson, you know Wade picked ups usually he
Speaker 1: didn't get to go pick up frequent flyer Miles, but
Speaker 1: he got to go out to Westwood work this kid out.
Speaker 1: Got to put him on the board. Uh, you know,
Speaker 1: he actually went out to to Corvallis. Did Manion in
Speaker 1: that workout as well? They've talked about if a quarterback
Speaker 1: was at the right spot, and I don't know if
Speaker 1: that time has passed now where that quarterback is at
Speaker 1: the right spot. I don't know if if the fifth
Speaker 1: round at at pick one sixty three is the right spot.
Speaker 1: But Hunley is a guy that they did go, like
Speaker 1: Bill said, went and worked out and uh and gave
Speaker 1: him the opportunity to show whether he needed to be drafted.
Speaker 1: Or We'll be interested to see how many more quarterbacks
Speaker 1: are drafted. I think we'll see Brett hun Latt's on point.
Speaker 1: But after that, well we'll see another quarterback drafted, a
Speaker 1: Chris Bonner, Brandon Bridge, Blake Simms, Taylor Heineke. Well, one
Speaker 1: of those quarterbacks go late. That'll be an interesting to
Speaker 1: What did you think of Chris Bonner, the Colorado State
Speaker 1: poeblos like? I mean, I like his upside more than
Speaker 1: Sean mannion Um. I think you have them some things
Speaker 1: there you can develop. Now. He's not ready to see
Speaker 1: the NFL field. And we've said that a lot about
Speaker 1: some of these guys in this class. But he's not
Speaker 1: ready to see the field right away. But you can
Speaker 1: get him in a six or seventh round. I would
Speaker 1: rather take a chance on him in the six or
Speaker 1: seventh than Sean Manning in the third. Uh So I
Speaker 1: think Bonner would be a good value late. So definitely
Speaker 1: a nanny to keep an eye on Bonner. I'll tell
Speaker 1: you what I liked to be at him though. I
Speaker 1: like his height, I really do. And then you watch
Speaker 1: him six yeah, and he'll stand very tall in the pocket.
Speaker 1: And then what you have with him, though, is real,
Speaker 1: real overhand, almost like a baseball pitcher throw him. It's
Speaker 1: like he he throws really well over him. But I
Speaker 1: didn't see a lot of pace on his passes Dan,
Speaker 1: And that's this thing for someone as big and as
Speaker 1: over the top as he threw. I was worried about,
Speaker 1: you know, and in the division. Yeah. And and I'm
Speaker 1: not trying to kill the kid here, I'm just saying.
Speaker 1: I'm just saying, though I'm watching kids at the level
Speaker 1: those games that he's playing against, and I can I
Speaker 1: can tell you the games I watched him play. I
Speaker 1: wish he would have got an opportunity like an Ali
Speaker 1: Marpette did, to go play in one of these games,
Speaker 1: to go play in an All Star game, to you know,
Speaker 1: to show people that he could, you know that he
Speaker 1: was he belongs because you do like the physical trade
Speaker 1: of the player have a Flacco type body, Well, it's
Speaker 1: a Flacco body. Flacco body to me is Mann Manning
Speaker 1: is the the Flacco body. Well, and he did play
Speaker 1: at the Medal of Honorable, but it was I mean
Speaker 1: he didn't get the instruction there. That see, that's what Okay, Well,
Speaker 1: I'm talking more like the East West one who had
Speaker 1: more high profile exactly you know All Star Game with Boer. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you're right, he's just a novice at the quarterback position
Speaker 1: where you know, he doesn't know how to control his
Speaker 1: ball speeds. Uh, there's so many parts of the position
Speaker 1: where he needs work. So uh but like I said,
Speaker 1: the development traits are there, the size of the arm, strength,
Speaker 1: the smarts. I think that's a good foundation to work
Speaker 1: on for a late round pick. And we did have
Speaker 1: a pick of Minnesota Michael Prue at the tight end. Yeah,
Speaker 1: Michael Pruett. Yeah, went to his product of tight end
Speaker 1: out of Southern Illinois. And then the New York Giants
Speaker 1: have selected how do you pronounce Michael Thompson m y
Speaker 1: K K E l E Thompson. That's the first who
Speaker 1: did they get you? That's I did not expect him
Speaker 1: to get drafted. I mean, yeah, you see him on
Speaker 1: you see him play, and you just I don't know,
Speaker 1: I didn't see a draftable player, but Giants saw something different. Yeah. See,
Speaker 1: the Giants have always kind of been a little bit
Speaker 1: been the secondary Texas. Yeah I've heard, Yeah, I don't,
Speaker 1: I don't. I'm kind of lost on the player too.
Speaker 1: But the thing that that I always known about the
Speaker 1: Giants seventy eighth safety seventy eight, I don't even remember
Speaker 1: him playing for Texas. They got him list of his
Speaker 1: and if if he must one of those uh Matt
Speaker 1: Slater types, that if Bill Josel teams as many as
Speaker 1: many Red River rivalry games, is on the other side
Speaker 1: of the Red River. But he knows, he knows all
Speaker 1: the competition he would of Douglas Barricklowe in there. Who's
Speaker 1: a Texas Longhorn? Has ever heard of Mchael Thompson. Nah,
Speaker 1: he's shaking his head, and do doug us Will? Where
Speaker 1: are you out about those Texas players too? Now? So
Speaker 1: Thompson had a good workout four or five one Pro
Speaker 1: day forty yard dash at his Pro day thirty six
Speaker 1: in vertical ten nine, I jump six eight nine three cones.
Speaker 1: So all good numbers there for Thompson, that's probably what
Speaker 1: helped him get drafted. But the fifth round surprised Giant
Speaker 1: saw well and and we see this as a safety then, right,
Speaker 1: and we talked about I mean, if you just want
Speaker 1: to talk about guys that potentially if this kid played safety,
Speaker 1: and I'm not going to sider and act like it
Speaker 1: it pick one forty four. I know who this kid
Speaker 1: is because I have absolutely no clue who he is.
Speaker 1: But if the in fact it's a safety guys myself
Speaker 1: the Swan kid from Georgia is a guy I really liked.
Speaker 1: I like to know, how about Hackett. If you're talking
Speaker 1: about it, you're talking about a big twelve guy Hackett,
Speaker 1: you know from TCU, maybe Smith from Fresno. I mean,
Speaker 1: they're guys on this board if you're looking at free safety.
Speaker 1: But again that's their flavor of ice cream clearly is
Speaker 1: different from our flavor of ice cream right now with
Speaker 1: this player. So the Giants definitely trying to upgrade the
Speaker 1: safety position. Of course, they took land In Collins traded
Speaker 1: up in the second round to take him as the
Speaker 1: first pick of the second round yesterday. Yeah, and he
Speaker 1: obviously a different type player. He's not a free safety. No,
Speaker 1: he's this the landing Collins to me is a keep
Speaker 1: things in front, let me be in the box and
Speaker 1: and handled things. I again, I said it yesterday or
Speaker 1: two days ago. I thought maybe he would be an
Speaker 1: outside linebacker, a really good outside linebacker in this league.
Speaker 1: I struggle with him having a plainny type of carver.
Speaker 1: This shows how a little I pay attention to the
Speaker 1: safeties for Texas not named um oh, Earl Thomas. Yeah
Speaker 1: he did. He did make thirty one starts for the Longhorns.
Speaker 1: Yeah no, I mean you you watched the Texas defense
Speaker 1: and you see him out there. But I don't know.
Speaker 1: I just watching Jordan Hicks, you know, studying him. Um
Speaker 1: you know you could see him make plays with Thompson.
Speaker 1: I didn't necessarily see that consistency consistently. So surprise he
Speaker 1: was drafted here in the fifth round. I thought more
Speaker 1: of a PFA. But like I said, I he did.
Speaker 1: Hear a little bit of buzz after the Pro day.
Speaker 1: He did it did help himself there, So I think
Speaker 1: that's the big reason why he's coming off the board
Speaker 1: here in the fifth round. So the long Horns had
Speaker 1: nobody drafted last year, and this year they get mckill
Speaker 1: Thompson here in the fifth round. Of course, in the
Speaker 1: first round they had Malcolm Brown as well. Yeah, all right,
Speaker 1: Miami is on the clock and the pick is in
Speaker 1: for the Dolphins at number one forty five here in
Speaker 1: the fifth round Cowboys with a fifth round pick, No.
Speaker 1: Sixth round pick two sevenths and Bobby McCain, the cornerback
Speaker 1: from Memphis, is the pick of the Miami Dolphins. He
Speaker 1: thoughts about Bobby McCain there from Memphis day. I like
Speaker 1: this player. I did really like him ahead of him
Speaker 1: as a fourth or a fifth round pick. Not the
Speaker 1: biggest guy at five nine and a half one, but
Speaker 1: he's he was always around, always around his receiver. He's physical,
Speaker 1: he's quick, fluid and the footwork. Yeah, and as you see,
Speaker 1: there's some activity here in the war room and Jerry
Speaker 1: Jones is on the phone. They're looking at the wall
Speaker 1: over there. Brian, what do you suspect is going on? Well,
Speaker 1: they're all looking, of course, all the tags. Britt Brown,
Speaker 1: the associate athletic trainer, is in charge of taking the
Speaker 1: tags from the draft board over to the left where
Speaker 1: Jason Garrett, Jerry Jones are all staring. Uh, they're they're
Speaker 1: obviously talking about something going on. The teams realize that
Speaker 1: Dallas doesn't have a sixth round pick, so that might
Speaker 1: be a trade back situation here. Maybe go to their spot,
Speaker 1: uh and see if they could pick up a pick
Speaker 1: or two. But Jerry, this is usually a responsibility for Steven, uh,
Speaker 1: you know, to get the trade and then they kind
Speaker 1: of relay things affect that Stephen is not in the
Speaker 1: room right now. Jerry's handling that. It's like a it's
Speaker 1: like old school back in the day when I used
Speaker 1: to see him do that. But Stephen now. But yeah,
Speaker 1: they're looking at the they're looking he's Jerry's nodding down.
Speaker 1: He's looking at that spot. And then it's as you
Speaker 1: see Jason Garrett course pointing up. So you know, maybe
Speaker 1: possibility at next year's picks, maybe something here. But you know,
Speaker 1: Jerry just fielded a call. We' we haven't seen the
Speaker 1: Cowboys field a bunch of calls in this draft, which
Speaker 1: is kind of, uh, you know, strange, especially for a
Speaker 1: team it's been the bottom of the board. So Jerry's
Speaker 1: Steven's on the phone now, so he just took the calls.
Speaker 1: Maybe they put the put the team on hold there
Speaker 1: and let Stephen have at it here. But I like
Speaker 1: what you said about about McCain. I do. I saw
Speaker 1: a very aggressive guy. I didn't see much catchup speed though.
Speaker 1: That that's the thing about him. Here's a guy who
Speaker 1: runs four four eight time wise, but a little bit bothering.
Speaker 1: They used him as a slot blitzer, fight off blocks,
Speaker 1: those kind of things. He's a physical, aggressive type of guy,
Speaker 1: step up, tackle and tough and will battle. So last yeah,
Speaker 1: his last twenty two games eleven interceptions. Yeah wow, and
Speaker 1: he's a five. He's an under five ten, so he's
Speaker 1: a shorter corn. That's probably why you see guys. I
Speaker 1: saw him get some good you know. He played its
Speaker 1: UCLA and an old miss and was able to hold
Speaker 1: up pretty well. Again, I think the last line in
Speaker 1: my summary sums him up. His lack of physical tools
Speaker 1: really limit his proceiling, but his ball skills, fluidity and
Speaker 1: overachieving attitude fit as a possible nickel corner in the NFL. Okay,
Speaker 1: this one forty six is now owned by the This
Speaker 1: was Atlantas pick. It's owned by the Minnesota Vikings. So
Speaker 1: let's see what the Vikings have up up their sleeve
Speaker 1: here at the and they just made the pick of
Speaker 1: the tight end Pruett just three picks earlier. And Minnesota,
Speaker 1: of course they started the drect what I love what
Speaker 1: Minnesota did. And Mike Zimmer had to be just beside
Speaker 1: himself after getting Trey Wayne's in the first round, Eric
Speaker 1: Kendricks in the second round, personally as a project player
Speaker 1: in the third round, the Neil Hunter. I think he's
Speaker 1: got the potential to be a pass rusher. He's certainly
Speaker 1: has the traits and the youth whatever, and particularly in
Speaker 1: their situation within then he bar Brian Robinson's now getting
Speaker 1: long in the type and I think he just had
Speaker 1: to leave his first thing. The thing about Hunter to
Speaker 1: me was an LSU a lump. First. They got to
Speaker 1: get into play flat back into rush. They can't let him.
Speaker 1: He can't stand straight out. Saw him pin his ears
Speaker 1: back and go don't yeah, And that's something LSU has
Speaker 1: been known to do. Go after that court he is
Speaker 1: a stand up and then react guy. And then it's
Speaker 1: then it's about and he's not big enough. And there's
Speaker 1: a history at LSU now with Mingo not panting out
Speaker 1: at top of the dress. Sam Montgomery was another one.
Speaker 1: They've had some busters now and then the Vikings ended
Speaker 1: up taking Stefon Diggs wide receiver out of Maryland. YEA, yeah, boy,
Speaker 1: there here's a guy coming out of high school, was
Speaker 1: like a five star talent. How state wanted him? Yeah,
Speaker 1: Florida wandered him, everyone wanted and who knows, and who
Speaker 1: knows he couldn't turn out to be one of those
Speaker 1: mid round guys. Reminded me a lot of Um Ted Gin.
Speaker 1: Just a linear, straight, lionish athlete who has the speed,
Speaker 1: but you just wonder about his offensive role. Um, he
Speaker 1: needs to be better than he's been, and he has
Speaker 1: some character stuff and he has some medical stuff, so
Speaker 1: he does bring some baggage. But again, you know we're
Speaker 1: talking fifth round. It's when do you take a chance
Speaker 1: on these guys in Minnesota after going all defense the
Speaker 1: first three rounds, has gone all offense here on the
Speaker 1: third day with t J. Clemings the tackle and then
Speaker 1: Michael Prue at the tight end, and then Stefan Diggs
Speaker 1: here with pick number one. I'll tell you what I like.
Speaker 1: I like Clements, I really really do. I mean, I mean,
Speaker 1: I mean, I Clement I mean I was I mean
Speaker 1: Michael excuse me, the tight end, Michael Prue, excuse me.
Speaker 1: I liked him, Sure, I liked watch him. I thought,
Speaker 1: you talk about up the field guy, man it catch
Speaker 1: the foot. What's a comp for prut Is it like
Speaker 1: a oh, who's the green Bay guy from Texas? Um Drew?
Speaker 1: Michael Drew, Michael Finlay. I don't know if he's that
Speaker 1: that good of that good. But I the thing about him,
Speaker 1: but that at the athletic you know that the guy
Speaker 1: that when you watched him play, you know, up the
Speaker 1: field that I mean, just down the field, catch up
Speaker 1: all that was very very positive. I think he has
Speaker 1: starter potential. I do, but I worry about the effort.
Speaker 1: That's something that I think we need to uh he
Speaker 1: needs to address because he just, you know, the route running.
Speaker 1: He just seemed to take plays off. Um So I
Speaker 1: think that's why he was still available this late. Green
Speaker 1: Bay just bought this pick from Cleveland. And in the
Speaker 1: tradition of Ted Thompson, I wonder if they went in
Speaker 1: the fourth round here, I assume we were in the
Speaker 1: fifth round. If they went, you know something that he
Speaker 1: learned a long time ago from Ron Wolf and the
Speaker 1: Packers have always had a tradition of doing this, you know,
Speaker 1: drafted a quarterback. I wonder if Teddy has seen enough
Speaker 1: of say, a guy like Huntley sliding down the here's
Speaker 1: here's the the Packers pick. But uh, a couple of
Speaker 1: picks mine. But the Packers have always been a team
Speaker 1: that have been very aggressive when it comes to draft
Speaker 1: pick in the early nineties. Yeah, and that, you know,
Speaker 1: that's something that we learned in Green Bay. I mean,
Speaker 1: that's something that we all uh, you know. And the
Speaker 1: fact that that uh, that they they don't have a pick.
Speaker 1: You know, there's some teams potentially they their picks all
Speaker 1: the way down at one sixty six. They might have
Speaker 1: made just a small uh not a small, but they
Speaker 1: might have made an investment here to get traded with
Speaker 1: New England. Actually is that okay? So that's okay. And
Speaker 1: so that's and it makes sense because Belichick loves to
Speaker 1: load up on his draft picks, and maybe maybe Teddy
Speaker 1: gave him a next year's pick for this opportunity to
Speaker 1: draft one. But uh, let's see, it's interesting, Yeah, I
Speaker 1: I just the Packers are one of those teams. Again,
Speaker 1: my my, my experience with them and I wondered if
Speaker 1: they were, if they were gonna readily have some Aaron
Speaker 1: Rodgers traits about it. Well, he's a he's a pack
Speaker 1: twelve quarterback, you know. And and and you know, the Packers,
Speaker 1: if you look at their situation, their backup quarterback situation
Speaker 1: has never been really very good. I mean, well it
Speaker 1: hasn't been good. You know. They always seem like it's
Speaker 1: toll Zene or Graham Harold. Yeah, I mean it's somebody
Speaker 1: that doesn't you know, the kid that went off to
Speaker 1: Seattle and as ye, Mark Brunel, Yeah, I mean, but
Speaker 1: even but recently Matt Plenn was one. Yeah, I wonder
Speaker 1: if Teddy. I wonder if Teddy did this. He's obviously
Speaker 1: got somebody in mind. But this is a Packer type
Speaker 1: of tradition. The Larry McCarron is, we will the pick
Speaker 1: and let's see who the fan WinCE again is going
Speaker 1: to announce the pick here, but then the selection will
Speaker 1: come down. But I just wondered, because they're sitting there,
Speaker 1: They're sitting there at one sixty six, and I just
Speaker 1: it might be something that they're thinking about. And there
Speaker 1: it is. There. It is Brett Huntley quarterback from UCLA
Speaker 1: as called right here by Brian Brod. I just saw
Speaker 1: we kept talking about quarterback, and all of a sudden,
Speaker 1: I'm thinking, when Green Bay went on the clock, I'm thinking,
Speaker 1: is this around where they would sit there and say
Speaker 1: we're not to wait anymore and we're gonna draft this quarterback.
Speaker 1: You know that's something you'd have to you know, Hey,
Speaker 1: that's what they do exactly. I think you nailed it
Speaker 1: when you said about they don't have a backup. This
Speaker 1: is what they did. Yeah, I mean they are known
Speaker 1: for drafting quarterbacks late and then turning them into something,
Speaker 1: whether that's on their roster or trading them away for
Speaker 1: future assets. Quarterbacks are gold in this league. And so yeah,
Speaker 1: with Bret Hunley, he's going to a good situation. I mean,
Speaker 1: he's gonna be in a quarterback room with Aaron Rodgers,
Speaker 1: so he's gonna be able to learn from one of
Speaker 1: the best to do it in the business. For Brett Hunley,
Speaker 1: you thought you were going to be a first round pick,
Speaker 1: Bret Hunley, did you end up in the fifth round.
Speaker 1: But you know what, you couldn't have gone to a
Speaker 1: better situation in Green Bay, So you're not gonna be
Speaker 1: expected to see the field, you can sit learn and
Speaker 1: hopefully he takes advantage of that. And how about Green
Speaker 1: Bay's draft, taking Damarius Randall late in the first Quentin
Speaker 1: Rawlins late in the second. So you got a safety
Speaker 1: and a corner there, High Montgomery a wide receiver and
Speaker 1: he's a return gi. Yeah. And then everyone thought that
Speaker 1: they might even take Stephan Anthony in the first round
Speaker 1: because they needed a linebacker, and they took a linebacker,
Speaker 1: Jake Ryan in the fourth round. And now they get
Speaker 1: a backup quarterback in Brett Huntley. Not a bad draft
Speaker 1: once again for Ted Thompson, now Teddy again. I was
Speaker 1: fortunate in my days to be with that group. And
Speaker 1: now you got guys like Scott mccluan that was there.
Speaker 1: He's drafting at Washington, Reggie McKenzie's drafting at Oakland, John
Speaker 1: Snyder's drafting in Seattle, John Dorsey's in Kansas City. So
Speaker 1: that was a pretty full room of general Yeah. And
Speaker 1: and so you guys are blessed to be doing radio
Speaker 1: with me today. So with all these general managers that
Speaker 1: I worked with are now at other other spots, and
Speaker 1: Brian brought us is here on Dallas Cowboys dot Com.
Speaker 1: That's the voice of Brian Rott. Absolutely got Dane Brugler
Speaker 1: here too. I'm Bill Jones, and we are midway through
Speaker 1: the fifth round here Cowboys with no umber one sixty three.
Speaker 1: New Orleans at one forty eight is the team on
Speaker 1: the clock right now to New Orleans could be out here.
Speaker 1: They compared Huntley the Jason Campbell. I think that's pretty fair.
Speaker 1: I think that's fair. I just noticed. I'm sorry, that's
Speaker 1: again bad radio on my part, just looking at the screen,
Speaker 1: probably fans listening to us and watching on the NFL network.
Speaker 1: There we go. Yeah, I don't know. I mean, I
Speaker 1: just saw a guy whose mechanics were all over the place.
Speaker 1: I really and I think, you know, I think that
Speaker 1: Tom Clements, you know, his job in Green Bay now
Speaker 1: is to tighten that up, you know, to to allow
Speaker 1: you know, to and they'll give him an opportunity to
Speaker 1: play again the backup situation. Bill was talking about, Hey,
Speaker 1: a great situation for him to go and learn, you know,
Speaker 1: Scott Tolzine and that you know that forget that this guy,
Speaker 1: bring him in, let him have an opportunity, give him
Speaker 1: a lot of play that you're not gonna play Aaron
Speaker 1: Rodgers very much in the preseason, if at all, and
Speaker 1: so let him, let him develop a little bit, and
Speaker 1: then uh, either you have a player that one day
Speaker 1: could start for or Teddy Thompson will find a way
Speaker 1: to move that guy along for a draft pick, which
Speaker 1: has kind of been the green Bay way, and Green
Speaker 1: Bay did resigned toll Zene this off season. Yeah, well,
Speaker 1: Matt Flynn still out there. Matt Flynn. They see, that's
Speaker 1: they've always there. You go, there's an up definitely upgrade
Speaker 1: right there. That's what you try and do. You try
Speaker 1: and up to upgrade the position if you can. And
Speaker 1: he's a he would be a good guy to do
Speaker 1: that with. All Right, we've got Miami not doing New Orleans. Well,
Speaker 1: Miami's seven o'clock now, So I did I didn't mention
Speaker 1: the New Orleans pick. Davis Tall, Yep, Davis Tall, the
Speaker 1: linebacker from Tennessee Chattanooga. That was kind of fun film
Speaker 1: to watch Winded Dane. Yeah, he's a good player. I
Speaker 1: love his backstory. Just in high school he was outstanding,
Speaker 1: I mean the stats, the production, but then he got hurt,
Speaker 1: fell into the under the radars recruit, ends up at
Speaker 1: Chattanooga and then all he does at Chattanooga is produced.
Speaker 1: I mean, you look at his his career stats, fifty
Speaker 1: nine tackles for loss, thirty seven sacks. But again the durability,
Speaker 1: he gets hurt, h strained. Uh. I think it's a
Speaker 1: hamstring issue that was a big thing. His right shoulder
Speaker 1: needed surgery. He has hernia surgery a few years ago.
Speaker 1: So I think with the tool, you have a guy
Speaker 1: that needs to be able to stay healthy. If he
Speaker 1: can stay on the field for you, it's a great
Speaker 1: value in the fifth. Yeah, I thought a guy when
Speaker 1: I watched him play, I thought the initial quickness was
Speaker 1: outstanding and get up the field. But I think he
Speaker 1: has to be on the edge. He mean, he's a guy.
Speaker 1: If he has to play toe for toe with you,
Speaker 1: he's not gonna He's not gonna do a very good job.
Speaker 1: I like the way the burst, the short air, foot quickness,
Speaker 1: good pursue, body control, balance, all these things. You know.
Speaker 1: I don't think he has great playing strength though. I
Speaker 1: think there's something that he needs to that's something he's
Speaker 1: gonna have to work on. Uh, you know, effort and
Speaker 1: all that. I don't know. Maybe he's gonna have to
Speaker 1: play in New Orleans. It's like they're probably gonna play
Speaker 1: him an outside linebacker. That's what my notes were. I thought,
Speaker 1: I thought he I thought he's gonna have conversion guy. Yeah,
Speaker 1: he's gonna he's best standing up. He's not a guy
Speaker 1: you want um in the trenches. Yeah, like you said,
Speaker 1: toe to toe, that's not going to work for him.
Speaker 1: So here's a really cool thing. You didn't bring lunch
Speaker 1: to Lunch was delicious. I didn't want to get it
Speaker 1: all over the equipment in here, you know. I take
Speaker 1: a quick I try to go find Nick Eatman and
Speaker 1: Rob Phillips and see if they wanted to do a shift.
Speaker 1: They did not, which I'm more than happy to oblige
Speaker 1: with y'all. They're handling, you know, writing duties and all
Speaker 1: that good type of stuff. Right now, you'd much rather
Speaker 1: talk than write at this point. Honestly, as tiring as
Speaker 1: it can be to be on a show like this,
Speaker 1: it's I'd still rather talk than right. Are we tiring not?
Speaker 1: You guys? Just they'll work anyway. You're getting me off
Speaker 1: topic here, We do that quite a bit. Cool thing
Speaker 1: about this job is that you can do something as
Speaker 1: innocuous as go to get a cup of iced tea
Speaker 1: and learn something pretty interesting. Uh you know who's here
Speaker 1: right now? Would that fa Obada if you'll remember, Yeah,
Speaker 1: the English player that the Cowboys took a flyer on.
Speaker 1: Um probably back in March maybe or April. The workout
Speaker 1: we watched. He played five games of organized American football.
Speaker 1: Everybody's asking me when he's gonna start. Well, he's he's here,
Speaker 1: especially British are British fan. He's watching tape with Ben Bloom,
Speaker 1: who's a defensive assistant. They went to go get a
Speaker 1: little bit of long does she physically look? He's enormous,
Speaker 1: He's gigantic. He's six five, like he's listed at six
Speaker 1: to five, and he looks like he's six five. Like
Speaker 1: it's not being big guy, big big guy. I mean,
Speaker 1: I don't want to guess his weight, but he doesn't
Speaker 1: look small. Not each other. We absolutely can. I can
Speaker 1: put it on the internet. Uh So, I mean, you
Speaker 1: know he's played five games of organized football. Uh, played
Speaker 1: for an amateur team over and um. Yeah, I mean,
Speaker 1: I mean he's here, He's in America. He's at the facility,
Speaker 1: which means I completely expect to see him at rookie
Speaker 1: camp this this coming weekend. So two weekends. I think, oh,
Speaker 1: just no, the Miami Dolphins. I quit as you speak
Speaker 1: about an englishman. Another englishman has gone off the board
Speaker 1: and jay a Gie out of Frisco Liberty High School
Speaker 1: to the Miami Dolphins, and we were speculating Miami would
Speaker 1: go running back at some point. Yeah, that's uh. I
Speaker 1: didn't see any reaction though in the war room. Right. No,
Speaker 1: they don't really look like they care. Yeah that it's
Speaker 1: not anything and no U no pin throwing like I
Speaker 1: would have done. But I'm not a happy man right now.
Speaker 1: I'm not able to piety. Nine. Well, the thing about
Speaker 1: it is okay obviously then it was one of those
Speaker 1: deals where the medical was job. I mean, yeah, they didn't.
Speaker 1: They didn't. They're trusting with their doctors, and who am
Speaker 1: I to say they're wrong? But yeah, and he worked
Speaker 1: out here like he wasn't it. He dall had the credentials,
Speaker 1: he could have been a thirty visit. But being a
Speaker 1: local guy, he was able to come in on Dallas
Speaker 1: day and he worked out here, and so they're able
Speaker 1: to take a good look at him and have decided against.
Speaker 1: I mean, you know, it's not like it's just the Cowboys.
Speaker 1: It's one hundred and forty eight other picks that went
Speaker 1: before before this guy. But uh, I mean you look
Speaker 1: at it now. I mean, I know we talked about
Speaker 1: rawls in the seventh round maybe, but kind of kind
Speaker 1: of running thin on options for legitimate difference makers at
Speaker 1: the running back position at least through the draft, which
Speaker 1: I mean like we saw, I mean, like we talked about.
Speaker 1: They got four. So it's a crowded backfield already. But
Speaker 1: it's really pretty pretty stunning to see them getting to
Speaker 1: this stage of the draft and all these names are gone,
Speaker 1: and I would have now it's now, it's about the
Speaker 1: guys you got. Now, it's about it's absolutely it is
Speaker 1: Joe rand Or. There'll be some speculation about the guy
Speaker 1: in Minnesota too, but they don't have it. They don't
Speaker 1: have it. Let But one, why would Minnesota do that
Speaker 1: just to have next? Again, I go back to why
Speaker 1: would they get rid of a guy who could run
Speaker 1: for two thousand yards? Right now? I don't know. I'm
Speaker 1: just trying to be very good. Authority from people in
Speaker 1: the Vikings organization ain't going anywhere second hand people inside
Speaker 1: the Vikings organization that if they were going to trade
Speaker 1: Adrian Peter and they're not going to trade him to
Speaker 1: the team he wants to go to the Dallas makes sense,
Speaker 1: makes sense. So well, let's say we put that out
Speaker 1: of her mind so to rest. But yeah, so it's
Speaker 1: now the guys that have to feel good about their situation.
Speaker 1: Ryan Williams is fist pumping somewhere right right, Ryan Williams,
Speaker 1: Ryan Williams somewhere right now. Is also is Randall? So
Speaker 1: is battened? Well, yeah, bar the whole group. Yeah, I
Speaker 1: just think that you know that Jerry Jones, he he
Speaker 1: you know, we accused him of a lot of things
Speaker 1: and but he did not lie to us. And that's
Speaker 1: I question that I rolled my eyes through the back
Speaker 1: of my skull when Jerry said that on Tuesday at
Speaker 1: his pre draft preuss call, Like, okay, Cherry running backs
Speaker 1: not a need cool story. Yeah, now that's not to
Speaker 1: say they could add a seventh round guy. They could,
Speaker 1: but like we're talking like a joy, he was the
Speaker 1: last guy that you really think could make a difference
Speaker 1: this year. You know he's going to be Yeah, it
Speaker 1: could be a contributor this year. Anybody else I will
Speaker 1: say this, and there will be a free agent that
Speaker 1: they will sign sure from. And I'll say it right now,
Speaker 1: Cam McDaniel is going to be a Dallas cowboy, Copell,
Speaker 1: Copell cowboy, Notre Dame fighting Irish. Cam McDaniel will be
Speaker 1: a cowboy Dallas cowboy by the end of the day.
Speaker 1: I'm just gonna go out on a live and say that.
Speaker 1: So there's your running back pick up. I'm this is
Speaker 1: gonna be really interesting to watch because basically what we
Speaker 1: what we have heard now, I mean, the Cowboys are
Speaker 1: comfortable rolling with this, with this foursome or trio whatever
Speaker 1: they wind up doing of McFadden, Randall, Williams and Dunbar
Speaker 1: and the potentials there, the upsides there. I mean, you're
Speaker 1: talking about a top ten pick in two thousand and eight,
Speaker 1: second round pick in twenty eleven, a guy that they
Speaker 1: obviously like a lot in Dunbar enough to bring him back,
Speaker 1: and then the fifth round pick and Randall a lot
Speaker 1: of potential, a lot of stuff to feel good about,
Speaker 1: but a lot of injuries, a lot of off field problems,
Speaker 1: total lack of proven production. So I mean you could
Speaker 1: go you could go both ways with that. I mean
Speaker 1: it could be gangbusters or it could be a big,
Speaker 1: bad kind of bust, and it's I'm just gonna have
Speaker 1: to wait and see how it plays out. All right,
Speaker 1: We've got another pick gun and another Minnesota Golden Gopher gun.
Speaker 1: The safety Cedric Thompson is now at Miami Dolphin. The
Speaker 1: Dolphins with back to back picks of Jagie and now
Speaker 1: Cedric Thompson, who was getting a lot of love here
Speaker 1: at late in the draft process. Combine snub who really
Speaker 1: impresses his pro day jumped off jumped off the field
Speaker 1: there for scouts earlier in the process after the combine
Speaker 1: back at March, and so Cedric Thompson not surprised to
Speaker 1: see him get drafted. A lot of teams have been
Speaker 1: doing their due diligence on him. When we go back,
Speaker 1: we you know, now the board, we're looking at us
Speaker 1: with a ji off the board. You've talked about the guys,
Speaker 1: the best guys you have available. I mean, I've got
Speaker 1: I've got three fourth round guys available on my board,
Speaker 1: and let's take Collins out lyle Con. Yeah. No, no,
Speaker 1: I have I've eliminated I've eliminated Collins. But Michael Bennett,
Speaker 1: I've got to well, yeah, Oh see, if I got
Speaker 1: a third round, I should have looked up Bennett would
Speaker 1: be a guy for me as well. So I got
Speaker 1: a third rounder and Bennett Newness roaches um the the
Speaker 1: Oregon State defensive endatcha, yeah, yeah, mutch him, guatch him.
Speaker 1: And then I also had Hull, the linebacker from Penn State.
Speaker 1: So those are the guys that I had left as
Speaker 1: this uh on my on my board in the fourth round.
Speaker 1: Bennett would be my highest rated player left on my board. Uh.
Speaker 1: And again we've talked about fit the one or the three.
Speaker 1: There must be something going on with my man Bennett,
Speaker 1: the fact that he is not being uh selected right now. Yep, uh,
Speaker 1: San Francio, it was Indianapolis. Did they take San Francisco's picture?
Speaker 1: This is Indianapolis and they take the Stanford nose tackle
Speaker 1: David Perry Pari Perry p A r R y David Party. Okay,
Speaker 1: thoughts on him at all day. Stout nose tackle, and
Speaker 1: I saw him at the Shrine game up close and personal,
Speaker 1: and he did a nice job. He's Stout, a player
Speaker 1: that went to Stanford as an offensive lineman actually, and
Speaker 1: they moved a nose tackle and he's done a nice
Speaker 1: job there. Not a guy who's going to be very
Speaker 1: rangy and make plays away from the line of scrimmage,
Speaker 1: but as a two down nose tackle. That's what the
Speaker 1: Colts just got for their three four defense. And clearly
Speaker 1: Andrew Luck is in the draft room of the Indianapolis Colts.
Speaker 1: They love Stanford players. Of course they got Luck, they
Speaker 1: got Kobe Fleeter, and in this draft they have two
Speaker 1: Stanford defensive lineman now and Henry Anderson and David Perry.
Speaker 1: Stephen Jones on the phone once again, they filled it
Speaker 1: a call. Here he's looking back to his right where
Speaker 1: the sixth and seventh round of the tags are. So
Speaker 1: let's see if that was a quick conversation thereon Garrett
Speaker 1: texting in the meantime, or he used to tweet he
Speaker 1: needs we need to get a Jason Merritt twitter. I
Speaker 1: can't think of anything that would discuss Jason Garrett more
Speaker 1: than the thought of together, how you doing, guys? How
Speaker 1: about I think the Cowboys are about Byron Jones and
Speaker 1: his Garret is ms and the Prescott It's almost like
Speaker 1: a studying for it. Huh. He was like, no, no,
Speaker 1: wonder he was such a Garrett guy. No question about that,
Speaker 1: can't do we have a your point as well made.
Speaker 1: Maybe it's a really valuable part of our football team,
Speaker 1: but your point as well made. Jason Garrett does repeat
Speaker 1: himself a lot well. Jerry Junior coaches, dude, Jerry Jone,
Speaker 1: he was working at as you could see, we're looking
Speaker 1: at We're looking at draft order. Yeah, their tags, the
Speaker 1: blue tags on that board. As you can see, if
Speaker 1: you can see the color as those are the Cowboys picks.
Speaker 1: Those are those the far right of the board. Yeah.
Speaker 1: For some people get this confused. I've had people tweet
Speaker 1: at me and say, oh, their boards exposed that that's
Speaker 1: not that's not their draft Noe, that's just the draft order.
Speaker 1: As you look at right now, Jerry and Stephen are
Speaker 1: looking at the board proper. Jason Garrett as well, Jerry
Speaker 1: Junior was was that's the tagboard. Will mcclay's now over
Speaker 1: at the board two where potentially they're talking about some
Speaker 1: moves here, Jerry Jr. Went high with his right hand.
Speaker 1: If I'm just someone was wanting to come and offer
Speaker 1: it looked like to me an early sixth round pick
Speaker 1: for their spot. So let's see. I mean, I'm just
Speaker 1: speculating right now, guys. But that's what we do. We
Speaker 1: get paid to speculate here. I'm all for that. But
Speaker 1: his it looked like he was talking about his hand
Speaker 1: went low where their pick was. Maybe somebody at the
Speaker 1: top of the sixth round was interesting because he went up.
Speaker 1: I mean he went down and then went up and
Speaker 1: then across, And that means maybe that's what they want
Speaker 1: someone to go right there. They should. They should auction off,
Speaker 1: like you know, they bring in the Texas State lotto
Speaker 1: winners at the start of the draft and kind of
Speaker 1: show them around and stuff like that. They should auction
Speaker 1: off a chance to sit in the war room. And
Speaker 1: maybe they take your cell phone away so you can't
Speaker 1: like tweet about it. But I was thinking about that earlier.
Speaker 1: How cool would it be to like beat, like actually
Speaker 1: be able to hear what they're talking exactly what I
Speaker 1: was thinking about. As things off, you'd have to have
Speaker 1: security exactly that just person rope them off, take their
Speaker 1: phone away, and don't let them out of communication. Somebody
Speaker 1: grabbed the card and just just run out of the
Speaker 1: room kind of a thing. How much somebody pay you
Speaker 1: to do that? I think I would be stunned to
Speaker 1: hear I think somebody something you could offer. There's somebody,
Speaker 1: somebody out there. I gotta think somebody would pay five
Speaker 1: figures for that, maybe more. I wouldn't be surprised if somebody.
Speaker 1: There's a rich dude, there's a there's a Texas there's
Speaker 1: a Texas oilman out there somewhere with a die hard
Speaker 1: Cowboys fanom suggested, I'm gonna I'm gonna yeah, next to hey,
Speaker 1: we have the we do those we do those, uh,
Speaker 1: those goals, those cost saving goals. That's how this comes.
Speaker 1: So are the are the running backs totally picked over? Now?
Speaker 1: It sure seems that one. I mean, you guys, tell
Speaker 1: me Bameron artist Pain. I'm just throwing out names. Cameron
Speaker 1: artist Pain of Auburn Well, Matt Jones Area, Josh Robinson
Speaker 1: Mississippi State, Alcolm Brown of Texas, Carlos Williams Florida State.
Speaker 1: Does he don't do anything for you? I think there
Speaker 1: are parents McGee, lsu Dominique Brown Louisville. I think there
Speaker 1: are running backs that you can take. But like I said,
Speaker 1: when Ninjeli went off the board, I think he was
Speaker 1: the last one that I would expect to contribute to
Speaker 1: secure a roster. So my last running back on my
Speaker 1: board is Rawls and that I have him in the
Speaker 1: fifth round even and okay, even Rawls, Like, yeah, he
Speaker 1: goes into training camp with four other guys, you confident
Speaker 1: he comes out. What I'm saying, I mean, I've got
Speaker 1: him high enough to where I like, I would like
Speaker 1: an opportunity to take him. I put him there's there
Speaker 1: and Alfred Morris anywhere. I mean. And that's the other thing.
Speaker 1: You look at these running backs this year, in contrast
Speaker 1: to recent years, how relatively quickly running backs went. Even
Speaker 1: a couple of years ago, Joseph Randall was a fifth
Speaker 1: round pick there were there were and Shoot Ellington was
Speaker 1: a sixth round pick for Arizona two years ago, and
Speaker 1: he quickly became a starter in this league. I mean,
Speaker 1: And if you remember back to twenty thirteen, when the
Speaker 1: Cowboys drafted Joseph Randall, they talked about him on draft
Speaker 1: day as the you know, they expected him to be
Speaker 1: a primary backup and a guy who could carry the
Speaker 1: load from DeMarco Murray. So it's not like picking this
Speaker 1: late dooms you to you know, I mean, you can
Speaker 1: find value there and find contributors that you know, I
Speaker 1: don't know about it for this crez. If we get
Speaker 1: to okay, everybody wants to ask about Carlos Williams because
Speaker 1: he's a Florida State kid, you know. And I was
Speaker 1: just going through my notes about him. I didn't see
Speaker 1: a guy with a great burst. I didn't see a
Speaker 1: guy that almost had to stop the cut he almost
Speaker 1: had to stop. I didn't see lateral a jilly. I
Speaker 1: see a guy I'd like to see him run with
Speaker 1: better power for being a two hundred and thirty pound guy.
Speaker 1: I didn't see a creator. You know, there's he made
Speaker 1: some backdoor cuts in the Rose Bowl game. I saw that.
Speaker 1: Didn't see a great finisher. I had a hard time
Speaker 1: breaking runs unless he was in the open field. I
Speaker 1: didn't see a guy that played nearly as fast as
Speaker 1: his forty yard dashtime. That's why I wouldn't have Carlos
Speaker 1: Williams on my board right now. And I just didn't
Speaker 1: see And I know some people out there probably think
Speaker 1: that Carlos Williams is going to be a hell of
Speaker 1: a football. Place you have my draft guide, you will
Speaker 1: not see Carlos Williams in my running back rankings. Yeah,
Speaker 1: because I have him an h back. I think that's
Speaker 1: probably his best position in the NFL because he's an athlete.
Speaker 1: I don't think he's a traditional backfield guy who's gonna
Speaker 1: run between the tackles. To me, he's someone you want
Speaker 1: on the edges. He can catch the ball, but he's
Speaker 1: more of an athlete than a player with a firm position,
Speaker 1: and so you take a chance on him at some point.
Speaker 1: But he also has some baggage. His off field stuff
Speaker 1: is something you have to worry about too. So with
Speaker 1: Carlos Williams, I'm not even sure he's gonna be on
Speaker 1: a lot of boards here. I don't see him being
Speaker 1: an option for the Cowboy all right, And real quickly
Speaker 1: a couple of picks have been made. The Jets selected
Speaker 1: Jarvis Harrison, the offensive guard from Texas A and M,
Speaker 1: and then it won fifty three. San Diego selects Kyle
Speaker 1: a manual outside linebacker from four time national champion in
Speaker 1: North Dakota State. What do you think, oh, Jason Garrett
Speaker 1: having a little chuckle here, he's by himself. He looks
Speaker 1: he always he either looks like he just either looks
Speaker 1: pensive sad. He just looks stressed out most of the
Speaker 1: time on the camera. So I'm glad to see him
Speaker 1: having a little chuckle there because Jerry and Stephen are
Speaker 1: off wheeling and dealing somewhere, and I want, I wonder
Speaker 1: what's what's going through Jason's head right now with I
Speaker 1: mean and and that's I was going to ask you that,
Speaker 1: Brian is we talked about it in a minute ago,
Speaker 1: but the obvious storyline of running back doesn't look like
Speaker 1: a big possibility. It's still a few picks to go.
Speaker 1: But I mean, Michael Bennett, I mean, should I be
Speaker 1: terrified about why he's still here? What's what I mean,
Speaker 1: what's the logical what's the logical avenue? That's there's these
Speaker 1: unknowns when when you do what we all do here
Speaker 1: and these they have access to player records and we
Speaker 1: just evaluate the tape and that that's you're at the
Speaker 1: mercy really of the of that, I mean you are,
Speaker 1: You're at the mercy of is there something that they
Speaker 1: found out about medically, uh, that that we don't know about.
Speaker 1: It hasn't been you know, we all knew that a
Speaker 1: Gi had a bad knee. We we knew that, and
Speaker 1: we didn't find that out that later in the process. Yeah, Dane,
Speaker 1: Dane told everybody that that that was a case. It
Speaker 1: was concerned and you know, again got scalded for it.
Speaker 1: But the thing about it is, I mean the whole thing.
Speaker 1: We know what's wrong with Collins, why he's not getting drafted.
Speaker 1: Bennett is he is he? That? Is he bad? That
Speaker 1: bad of a player or a person? I don't. I
Speaker 1: think he's a better player. Again, I had him on
Speaker 1: my board in the third round. You know, I I
Speaker 1: saw him as a guy that when you watched the
Speaker 1: tape at Ohio State, especially at the end and against
Speaker 1: good competition, I saw a guy that was making play
Speaker 1: and he's he's an inconsistent performer, but at this point,
Speaker 1: but to the point where he's not getting drafted und Yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm surprised by that. To me, I had him in
Speaker 1: the third round. So I'm with you, Um, and there's
Speaker 1: another defensive tackle not Michael Bennett off the board. He
Speaker 1: was a good player. I thought he might go uh,
Speaker 1: you know, late third, early fourth, A good value here
Speaker 1: in the fifth for the plow. Davidson, not a Fresno,
Speaker 1: played five technique play the Nos. Yes, some offers versatility, um,
Speaker 1: but with Bennett inconsistent performer, but his flashes when he's
Speaker 1: on his game. You just watched the Michigan State game.
Speaker 1: You watched the Wisconsin tape. I mean, he was a
Speaker 1: big part of Ohio State's defense. So to see him
Speaker 1: still on the board tells you something's up. He turned
Speaker 1: off some teams for some reason. I was standing right
Speaker 1: next to him at the combine when he was doing
Speaker 1: his his interview, you know, and Mary and we were
Speaker 1: we were just I was listening to him talking. What'd
Speaker 1: you think, you know, I wasn't. It wasn't like I
Speaker 1: didn't see a massively, you know, built guy. Saw a
Speaker 1: kind of a normal looking guy in the sweats, and
Speaker 1: I'm thinking, okay, he's he looks bigger on tape than
Speaker 1: he does when I was standing next to him. But
Speaker 1: he wasn't talking poorly or struggling or anything like that.
Speaker 1: He seemed like a sharp kid. He was gonna say, hey,
Speaker 1: looking forward to working out, looking forward to being a
Speaker 1: you know, looking forward to doing the journey. I mean
Speaker 1: he was saying all those things that you get, you know,
Speaker 1: excited to hear. Soos goes to Buffalo at one fifty five. Well,
Speaker 1: the Cowboys played Buffalo, and so Carlos Williams has an
Speaker 1: opportunity to prove me really wrong if he in fact
Speaker 1: gets the because he's I mean, they got a pretty
Speaker 1: good running Fred Jackson stuff. I'm just saying if he
Speaker 1: does play, I mean, if he does play. But I again,
Speaker 1: I was not a big fan of Carlos Williams. I
Speaker 1: know there's people. I'm sure I haven't checked Twitter, and
Speaker 1: I'm sorry I haven't done that, but I'm sure there's
Speaker 1: people asking me about a multitask where where Carlos Williams
Speaker 1: is going to have to succeed on special teams? But
Speaker 1: you have him as an H thirty. Yeah, and he's
Speaker 1: almost like a poor man's version of David Johnson, you know,
Speaker 1: like where he catches the ball, well, does well in space.
Speaker 1: He's a big kid, but he also has his baggage
Speaker 1: and there's some things to worry about off the field
Speaker 1: with him. So a terrific athlete, just not confident where
Speaker 1: you play him because I don't want him between the tackles.
Speaker 1: I don't that's not his strength. So but I think
Speaker 1: he can play special teams and I think he can
Speaker 1: make an impact there right away as a rookie. You know,
Speaker 1: this is at the point in most straps where I
Speaker 1: get frustrated as a fan because you know the team,
Speaker 1: they're such a well and there's such a yeah, I
Speaker 1: know the name. I've done research and so I know
Speaker 1: who the players are, and teams go so much for
Speaker 1: need at this point rather than taking just take the
Speaker 1: best player there. The player that I like right now
Speaker 1: is Kenny Bell, the wide receiver from Nebraska. That's that's
Speaker 1: my guy, right They need they need their Dwayne Harris
Speaker 1: and he and he's a gunner. I heard an interview
Speaker 1: with him on a serious radio where uh he he
Speaker 1: does all the little things. He also he's just got
Speaker 1: a flare about him too. He's a team leader type
Speaker 1: he is. And he's a four He's the Nebraska's all
Speaker 1: time leading receiver, a four year starter, son of an
Speaker 1: NFL player. He looks like a pipe cleaner when he's
Speaker 1: he's so skinny, and he he had single digit reps
Speaker 1: of two twenty five. But you watch him block, see
Speaker 1: that killer block. He's a tough SOB. With Google right now, YouTube,
Speaker 1: just put Kenny Bell block, can You'll see the most
Speaker 1: unbelieving he's the best blocker blocking wide receiver in this draft. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and he's got he does value, he's got some returnability
Speaker 1: to him. I mean, and I mean before we got
Speaker 1: sidetracked by by William Carlos Williams, great contemporary poet, went
Speaker 1: over my head that I'm such a scholar, such a nerd.
Speaker 1: I ha, hey, you know what, I'm so proud that
Speaker 1: somebody from LSU could even identify that, um no, I
Speaker 1: was gonna. I mean, we talked a lot about time Montgomery.
Speaker 1: He obviously went off the board way early, as did
Speaker 1: Tyler Tyler Lockett, but Tony that that Dwayne Harris replacement
Speaker 1: is still something that the Cowboys need. So maybe that
Speaker 1: maybe Kenny Bell is a guy that they might identify.
Speaker 1: There is a guy, a seventh round guy, the guy
Speaker 1: from Henderson State who they brought in wide receiver Allas
Speaker 1: day Us Drisco. Yeah, yeah, Friscoe Wake Glent High School
Speaker 1: would be a possibility in the seventh I still I'm
Speaker 1: still gonna hold on my guy with with lucky widehead.
Speaker 1: See if you get lucky later. Yeah, as I and
Speaker 1: I know on my sheet, and I'm apologize if people
Speaker 1: are reading about him, I did the same thing you did.
Speaker 1: I put him at South alban He's a Florida Atlantic.
Speaker 1: His uniforms look similar or something, and I did something wrong.
Speaker 1: Maybe I was following what you were doing and I
Speaker 1: put him in fault. But no, I I had scouted
Speaker 1: the player, and I think that when you talk about
Speaker 1: guys that are returners, that he could be. This guy
Speaker 1: has got a lot of a billion And if we're
Speaker 1: get into seventh round and that name is still floating around,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna jump up on the table for that that
Speaker 1: type of player. But I do agree with you about
Speaker 1: Bella and I have him. I have him in the
Speaker 1: sixth round. Round, I him the sixth round. I like
Speaker 1: him as a blocker. I think he can make plays
Speaker 1: catching the football. They throw him a lot of screens
Speaker 1: and stuff like that. I think, you know, when you
Speaker 1: talk about route running, I think those are all things
Speaker 1: he's gonna need work on. But you're right, Dane. Physically,
Speaker 1: for someone so thin he is, he is he make
Speaker 1: he's tough. I mean he's a tough guy, right. Yeah.
Speaker 1: What do we make of the movement here in the room. Well,
Speaker 1: you got Jerry Jones Junior is working with Will McClay
Speaker 1: and laptops and tablets and all sorts of fun stuff.
Speaker 1: Stephen Jones is over looking at Uther over on the
Speaker 1: X side of the screen. They're watching our show right now.
Speaker 1: Thank you. Well, we'll pick a guy will at least
Speaker 1: there's some movement. There's some movement going on here. I
Speaker 1: mean it makes sense. Six and Eddy on the clock
Speaker 1: at one fifty seven, Cowboys six picks away at one
Speaker 1: sixty three. Yeah, I'm just I wonder if they're really
Speaker 1: thinking about making that move back, you know, if they
Speaker 1: if in fact that they that they don't want to
Speaker 1: be out of the sixth round, maybe they you know,
Speaker 1: maybe they can move back a little fifth round. Well no,
Speaker 1: but you do pick up an extra pick, maybe they
Speaker 1: maybe you could pick up what can you you move
Speaker 1: back at this point in the draft, you you move back? Say, uh,
Speaker 1: you're looking if you Dave go away back sixth round
Speaker 1: you're going shoot, Yeah, where you go, Dave go go
Speaker 1: just go back to go back to the top of
Speaker 1: the six if you want any right, let's well we
Speaker 1: got compisit toys after that one seventies? Yeah, that's a
Speaker 1: lot of players, that's that's true. So you got up
Speaker 1: in fifteen, say you drop fifteen picks from one sixty
Speaker 1: three to one seventy eight. What are you get in return? Yeah,
Speaker 1: one sixty three to one seventy eight. That's and that's
Speaker 1: the problem with these late round picks. That's only a
Speaker 1: difference of six points. That's you're getting a seventh rounder
Speaker 1: most getting most under mate. Well you could get maybe
Speaker 1: a next year's pick. Maybe somebody say I'll give you
Speaker 1: next year's five to do this. The most valuable seventh
Speaker 1: round pick is only worth four points. So yeah, maybe
Speaker 1: you take a seventh rounder. Yeah, you're getting a lot, though,
Speaker 1: I think you have to be you know, take your guy,
Speaker 1: if you go, if you if you're down, if you
Speaker 1: trade back, you've got to sweat, sweat those compensatory picks.
Speaker 1: But that don't get traded. But maybe your guy goes.
Speaker 1: There's one, two, three, four, five, six, seven, eight, there's
Speaker 1: eight compensatory picks. Okay, Will's grabbing the phone now. People
Speaker 1: are trying to call in for somebody's trying to get
Speaker 1: to this one sixty three. This is the most activity
Speaker 1: that they've had in the war room today. Well today overall,
Speaker 1: I think so, yeah, I think so, yeah, I think so.
Speaker 1: They got pretty active there when they were coming up
Speaker 1: on Randy Cincinnati took their time with this pick. Will
Speaker 1: mcclays like, what are you talking about? What are you?
Speaker 1: What are you doing? Well, that's are you up to,
Speaker 1: Will McClay. You know somebody they're interested here. Here's Will's
Speaker 1: going to hand the phone off to Steve Even. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and so I mean, but judging by the phone in question,
Speaker 1: this is this looks this sounds like a trade, right
Speaker 1: you can tell by that phone. Yeah, this is the
Speaker 1: phones that they all those banks of phones it's about
Speaker 1: you see about three feet wide right there. Uh, those
Speaker 1: are all phones with all the NFL teams on speed dial.
Speaker 1: They've got the teams. Uh, they've also got communication to
Speaker 1: the league office as well. So anything, you know, they've
Speaker 1: got them all right there. As far as the way,
Speaker 1: I just have a feeling people offering next year's picks
Speaker 1: here to try and get this one. I don't know
Speaker 1: if anybody particularly, I mean, they're they're they're they're looking like, Okay,
Speaker 1: you're gonna have to wow me here. But I don't
Speaker 1: think they're getting wild at all. They look like it.
Speaker 1: There's a touchdown, grabbing tight end from Auburn that just
Speaker 1: went to Cincinnatti CZA former quarterback. I kind of liked
Speaker 1: him as a late round guy. Did you have as
Speaker 1: a late round guy? Yeah, not very productive, not fifth
Speaker 1: round by seventh round. Yeah, someone that you want to develop,
Speaker 1: has the size, looks apart. Did a nice job at
Speaker 1: the Senior Bowl. By the way, the Cowboys at the
Speaker 1: tight end position obviously, Um, you got Witten and Escobar
Speaker 1: has got two years left, and Hannah's going into his
Speaker 1: free agent year is well, you know, and and I'll
Speaker 1: tell you what, James Hannah is a very underrated player
Speaker 1: in this officer. Absolutely and you look at very quietly
Speaker 1: what he does as a blocker and on special teams.
Speaker 1: James Lantley goes about life. Yeah, that he is a
Speaker 1: very I'll tell you what. I've always a lot of people.
Speaker 1: You need those kind of guys on your team. He
Speaker 1: is a party work. He is not exactly he is
Speaker 1: a stunt man. You're exactly right. He's up man. He
Speaker 1: does all the things that nobody else wants to do.
Speaker 1: He hate. He could have been one of the most
Speaker 1: lauded names in Cowboys history. If that fumble in Green
Speaker 1: Bay doesn't kind of squeak between his legs just I
Speaker 1: mean no, I mean, and I'm not. That's not like
Speaker 1: he's a scapegoat. There's a million reasons why they lost
Speaker 1: that game, but that could have been a huge, huge, huge,
Speaker 1: huge moment. Sorry to bring that up. Every Yeah, Cowboy
Speaker 1: fans all around are real happy one. I'm kind of.
Speaker 1: I mean, you look at my Twitter picture. It's time
Speaker 1: for you to go get some lunch. I already ate lunch.
Speaker 1: It was delicious. They got country fried steak, they got
Speaker 1: I'll be back Bill and Dane and are dying right now.
Speaker 1: But yeah, I I you know, I the thing let's
Speaker 1: talk about too. But with with U with the uh yeah,
Speaker 1: oh there you go, West Virginia Edge rusher. But I
Speaker 1: was not enthused with shack Ritic at all. Well, not
Speaker 1: for this. I sound like I hate every player you do.
Speaker 1: And it's okay, not not for this defense three four
Speaker 1: outside back or a guy you want space boy. He
Speaker 1: for somebody that's light. It's supposed to be able to
Speaker 1: rush up the field and all that. He doesn't get.
Speaker 1: I mean, his first move is extend hands and run well,
Speaker 1: and it's tough because he was an FCS All American
Speaker 1: and at Gardner, Webb transferred to West Virginia for a
Speaker 1: senior year, and he was just kind of lost in
Speaker 1: that three three five defense where you know, he just
Speaker 1: he played on the on the line. They didn't really
Speaker 1: play him to his strength, and so um, it was
Speaker 1: almost a lost year for Riddick. But I mean, he
Speaker 1: had a nice game against Baylor. You saw the flashes
Speaker 1: and round. He was a combined snub, a player who
Speaker 1: I would not be shocked if we hear more about
Speaker 1: him in the in the coming years, A guy I'd
Speaker 1: like to develop here in the fifth round. I tell
Speaker 1: you what, man, if you've got a lot better report
Speaker 1: on him than I do. Because I didn't think he
Speaker 1: had enough power to handle tackles. I think he needed
Speaker 1: to play wide to have any type of chance. He
Speaker 1: needs space, Yeah, absolutely, And he allowed himself. You know,
Speaker 1: you figure somebody with his athletic ability could not allow
Speaker 1: himself to be hooked. And he and there was several
Speaker 1: times Texas A and M watching like a buoy and
Speaker 1: those guys play, you know, I mean he got hooked
Speaker 1: and that was in the Texas game. You know he
Speaker 1: had seven sex and three of them came against Baylor. Yeah.
Speaker 1: That there you go, that's the game you watch, But
Speaker 1: I just that was the big upset, That was the
Speaker 1: big game, Baylor loss. I just don't think he finished
Speaker 1: his plays well in a feather two. He's two hundred
Speaker 1: and forty four pounds, he's six six. You know, he's
Speaker 1: got some of the same measurables as our guy here,
Speaker 1: Randy Gregory. But that just goes to show that's not
Speaker 1: all measurables. You got to be able to have some
Speaker 1: pass rush moves. You gotta be able to finish. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you gotta be instead of just running up the field
Speaker 1: and extending your hands in the blocker, you've got to
Speaker 1: find a way to dip your shoulder and get around
Speaker 1: the corner. Which is the question mark on Denil Hunter
Speaker 1: at LSU. He stands, He stands straight up and coaching.
Speaker 1: And I think that's what they'll get to hear in
Speaker 1: the NFL say they don't coach with West Virginia not
Speaker 1: very well. Oh whoa Daniel Hold person? Where are you
Speaker 1: at the wide receivers? Well, And that's the thing is,
Speaker 1: you know you have the big part of coaching is
Speaker 1: realizing what the strengths are and what the weaknesses are.
Speaker 1: You play them to their strengths. You work on their weaknesses.
Speaker 1: I don't think they did that with Shack Riddick. He
Speaker 1: was underutilized at West Virginia. UM. I think Arizona and
Speaker 1: what they'll do a nice job developing his talent. I'm
Speaker 1: I'm intrigued by the body language. Like Stephen Jones is
Speaker 1: over here by the board on the right side of
Speaker 1: the screen, Jerry Jones and Jason Garrett are kind of looking.
Speaker 1: I just kind of feel like, I don't know, is
Speaker 1: Stephen Jones like what? What? What? What are we things
Speaker 1: going on? Here? Is somebody making a case for a pick?
Speaker 1: I mean, I think they're talking about what names are
Speaker 1: left and can in fact they make a trade and
Speaker 1: go down, they'll be able to get that guys they want.
Speaker 1: That's what they're That's what they're thinking about right now.
Speaker 1: If they do trade back, are they okay? If they
Speaker 1: miss out on a guy? Is there another option? What's
Speaker 1: their plan? The other thing is okay? So I say
Speaker 1: a team is offering a seventh rounder a right, what's
Speaker 1: the value of that seventh rounder or that person that
Speaker 1: you think you getting a seventh round? You have to
Speaker 1: take a seventh round pick on a guy rather than
Speaker 1: making him a priority free agent. The gentleman standing in
Speaker 1: the very back. There's Walter Julie for a long time scout.
Speaker 1: He's been here since the late eighties, longer than I've
Speaker 1: been all and Walter is when the thing that Walter's
Speaker 1: done now is he has been responsible. They put him
Speaker 1: in responsibly with the offensive line. So the last couple
Speaker 1: of years, I think, starting back with the with Tyren Smith,
Speaker 1: Walter has been the cross checker for the offensive line.
Speaker 1: Do you think it's telling that? Well, now, I just
Speaker 1: know Walter's the guy does he knows all the he's
Speaker 1: a national guy, he knows, but his cross check position
Speaker 1: is offensive line. So the offensive lineman that they've been
Speaker 1: able to bring in, Walter Julie, who's standing now in
Speaker 1: Chris Hall's office, has been the scout that's responsible for that.
Speaker 1: Do you perceive now that they've signed or they've drafted
Speaker 1: Chaz Green, we don't talk about the interior offensive lineman much,
Speaker 1: but they talk always needing to be on the lookout. J. J.
Speaker 1: Nelson from the Funcked program at UAB has found to
Speaker 1: home in the NFL as he is drafted by the
Speaker 1: Arizona Cardinals. I'll say what This son of a gun
Speaker 1: can fly. I mean when you watch, I mean he
Speaker 1: is small, he's yeah, wait wise, I mean he's wight wise,
Speaker 1: very small. But you watched the game and when they
Speaker 1: when and I remember the Mississippi State game especially, teams
Speaker 1: got backed up into into the end zone and having
Speaker 1: a punt out and he's got his feet standing on
Speaker 1: the fifty yard line catch and then bom, next you know,
Speaker 1: he's handing the ball the official. He's one of those
Speaker 1: types of players. So uh, it's it's nice to see you.
Speaker 1: You've talked about Bill Uab no longer playing football. I
Speaker 1: think that's a real shame. But this kid right here, man,
Speaker 1: you talk about a returner. I purse again had had
Speaker 1: Whitehead better than him. But Nelson's a guy. I could
Speaker 1: see the Arizona Cardinals doing some things with him as
Speaker 1: a returner. With Nelson six career special teams touchdown yeah,
Speaker 1: five on kicks, went on punt You're right, he flies
Speaker 1: at the combine. He showed that with that forty yard
Speaker 1: dash that he had um a player that Yeah, I
Speaker 1: don't know what you're gonna get out of him on
Speaker 1: offense because he has one hundred and fifty six pounds,
Speaker 1: one hit, and you know he could be outside a
Speaker 1: few games. So but what he gives you on special teams,
Speaker 1: that's why they're drafting him here in the fifth round,
Speaker 1: and that's why he's going to have an NFL future.
Speaker 1: Pittsburgh is their pick is in. It's Pittsburgh at one sixty,
Speaker 1: Carolina at one sixty one, or at Tampa Oakland. I
Speaker 1: mean it won sixty one and then Tampa Bay at
Speaker 1: one sixty two, So it's it would be what three
Speaker 1: picks to Dallas now, well technically two, Yeah, Jesse James
Speaker 1: got to Pittsburgh. Yeah, tight end, post up tight end.
Speaker 1: He's someone you want in the red zone. And you
Speaker 1: think his best football is ahead of him because you
Speaker 1: look at him, the measurables are there. He looks like
Speaker 1: he should be better than he is or the production says.
Speaker 1: But he can post up with defenders and really, you know,
Speaker 1: be an impact in the red zone. He's a soft
Speaker 1: he's as soft as a baby's. But when he as
Speaker 1: a point of attack blocker, right, he needs to get
Speaker 1: that as a drop. Needs to do a better job
Speaker 1: playing up to when you're when you're six six in
Speaker 1: his way, you have got to be a better point
Speaker 1: of attack Brocker and take advantage of how big you are,
Speaker 1: and Jesse James does not do that. Now, you're absolutely right.
Speaker 1: He's a guy that can make contested catches because he's
Speaker 1: got size. He makes it difficult for guys to get
Speaker 1: around him. But for being a guy that big, he again,
Speaker 1: he is a very soft football player at the point
Speaker 1: of attack, and he is a Pittsburgh Steeler. Now, Jesse James.
Speaker 1: The Assassination of Jesse Jamess by a coward Robert Ford
Speaker 1: a good movie. Check it out, Brad Pitt is there
Speaker 1: is there a way? Is there a reasona This is
Speaker 1: the reason why we have you on this, Pitt, because
Speaker 1: I do things other than break down draft you know anything?
Speaker 1: Any get a himingway in? Yeah? I mean do we
Speaker 1: need me that the old man in the scene. Yeah.
Speaker 1: I just looked up Jesse James on Wikipedia. You know
Speaker 1: what the list his occupation as a gun slinger, criminal
Speaker 1: criminal Far from that, right now, so let's go a
Speaker 1: little um. The sun also rises. It's my favorite. Theah,
Speaker 1: that's my favorite. This pick is now Carolina, right, it
Speaker 1: was Oakland, but now it's Oakland's pick, and their pick
Speaker 1: is in uh Roakland and Tampa Bay then Dallas. So
Speaker 1: you know, once again, the phones, as you can see,
Speaker 1: are not ringing in the room. Uh. So that means
Speaker 1: they're they're committed Bell, Kenny Bell, They're committed to making
Speaker 1: their pick. It looks like, uh, if they if they
Speaker 1: were interested, Let's see if they get on the clock
Speaker 1: and what happens there. But a linebacker going to Oakland
Speaker 1: neuron ball. Good for him. I'd love to see that.
Speaker 1: A player who he's had so many obstacles with injuries. Um,
Speaker 1: but he's so athletic, he's a fast guy. When he's
Speaker 1: on the field, you can't help but notice him. Um.
Speaker 1: He's really had a tough stretch here with injuries early
Speaker 1: in his career. They didn't think he played football again,
Speaker 1: came back, and then his senior year got hurt again. Um.
Speaker 1: So I'm glad to see this going in the round.
Speaker 1: Certainly I gamble with his durability concerns, but if he's
Speaker 1: able to stay on the field, he's a heck of
Speaker 1: a player, someone that I would rank as a top
Speaker 1: one hundred talent in this class. Aam but but the
Speaker 1: medical stuff is a train record. It is he got
Speaker 1: killed and that's that's the fun part of the draft
Speaker 1: is Yeah, you know, maybe this is the round. I
Speaker 1: mean we talked about the fourth and fifth rounds. Uh,
Speaker 1: you know, maybe maybe he's a footnote in Oakland history.
Speaker 1: Maybe he kicks the injury bug and becomes something quick
Speaker 1: thing on the medicals. A congenital condition called you know what,
Speaker 1: I don't even have pronounced that you're scouting not a doctor, right,
Speaker 1: artur of vininious malformation, which is basically a blood vessel
Speaker 1: in his brain. Back into eleven, they didn't think he'd
Speaker 1: play football again. He worked his way back, regained his
Speaker 1: old form, and then as a Sea as a senior.
Speaker 1: This past year microfracture surgery. So he's had the injuries,
Speaker 1: he's had a lot of issues. But uh, really great
Speaker 1: to see him get drafted here. I just tweeted let's
Speaker 1: go Kenny Bell and tweeted his picture the best sports
Speaker 1: AFRO since Oscar Gamble. Oscar Gamble had the best. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but we've all talked about Kenny Bell. I mean, we
Speaker 1: we all like Davel I just don't I just don't know.
Speaker 1: It was still with with Bennett being on the board,
Speaker 1: nuness roaches. I just maybe that's Kenny Bell just went no,
Speaker 1: he goes to Tampa Bay. Maybe pick before the Cowboys.
Speaker 1: Maybe we did stop talking about these picks. Maybe we
Speaker 1: need to got a tweet to respond. Yeah, well too bad.
Speaker 1: But we're just we're chinks in the hut. Yeah we're not.
Speaker 1: We're just chinks in the heck has it's okay, So
Speaker 1: this means it's the cowboys turn. The Cowboys would be
Speaker 1: on the clock, so everybody's in the were always kind
Speaker 1: of getting a hint. Now whatever. A coach tends to
Speaker 1: walk over there and pick up the phone. Well, i'll
Speaker 1: tell you what. Thomas Siskowski is waiting to go on
Speaker 1: the phone. But they haven't gone on the phone yet.
Speaker 1: He hasn't got the the the thought to go on
Speaker 1: the phone. So let's see if he does. He's in
Speaker 1: the bottom left corner of your screen as you look
Speaker 1: at it right now. They might be waiting on a trade. Here.
Speaker 1: See if their phone rings, They've they've got to they've
Speaker 1: got time. So let's see if in fact that they
Speaker 1: do that. We talked about the best players on the board, though, uh,
Speaker 1: in my on my board, maybe not on their board.
Speaker 1: But we talk about Bennett Newness Roaches, hall As being
Speaker 1: those guys Kie Newness Roaches would be a name. I
Speaker 1: wouldn't mind here and right here, Yeah, what about the corner. Okay,
Speaker 1: Siskowsky has gone to the phone there. He's dialing them up,
Speaker 1: and so that means that they're gonna pick. They're gonna
Speaker 1: stand in here and make this pick. And for them,
Speaker 1: let's see who in fact stupid anyway, So this would
Speaker 1: be picked one sixty three for the Dallas Cowboys, and uh,
Speaker 1: we shall see who it is here. Momentarily, Siskowsky hands
Speaker 1: the phone off to Jerry. Okay, this is always entertaining.
Speaker 1: We might have some more yelling family members in the background.
Speaker 1: This is always fun getting Jerry's got a second instructions
Speaker 1: before a dressing the new Dallas Cowboy. I think Jerry's
Speaker 1: probably going on camera here, so that's probably why he's waiting.
Speaker 1: He's waiting for them to set up the shot, kind
Speaker 1: of like MacArthur when he came on shore. You got this,
Speaker 1: I'm walking on here you go. That's there's a there's
Speaker 1: a reference for you. You're not just a football guy.
Speaker 1: Well you were probably alive then too. Yeah, no, well
Speaker 1: are you talking about there? But no, I again, it's
Speaker 1: you know, uh, that's uh, we'll see who who. In fact,
Speaker 1: the Cowboys helped me out Twitter, where's this tip my
Speaker 1: tip to pick for him? They're at the lunch. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's not as Germanic, it's not as dramatic. It's not
Speaker 1: as dramatic right now. No, I'm interested. I mean, we're
Speaker 1: not seeing a coach in the shot here to get
Speaker 1: to tip us off with its offense. Defense. Nick Eaman
Speaker 1: is to the rescue for us. He says, Ryan Russell
Speaker 1: perdue defensive. Yeah, Ryan Russell does a very uh low
Speaker 1: key yeah, Bryan, Anthony Spencer Purdue defensive and Ryan Russell.
Speaker 1: You can't you can't say the Cowboys having addressed their
Speaker 1: defense this weekend if they I mean, I didn't have
Speaker 1: Ryan Russell, I didn't have that one. Is it anything
Speaker 1: things four two sixty nine had a one sixty two split.
Speaker 1: There's pro day. I guess they were just sad that
Speaker 1: Anthony Spencer wasn't on the roster and three sacks, six
Speaker 1: and a half tackles for lost and twelve starts his
Speaker 1: last year T year starter ten ten sacks, which is
Speaker 1: good number, but not for a four year starter. A
Speaker 1: player where you know. I even called him my my
Speaker 1: skying report. I called his film lack luster U. And
Speaker 1: I think he was a big part of him. He
Speaker 1: was caught out of position in the scheme as a freshman.
Speaker 1: I really liked what I saw Ryan Russell. I thought,
Speaker 1: here's a player to keep on the radar. I wrote
Speaker 1: his name down. Um, you know scouting Kawan Short and
Speaker 1: those guys back way back when. And then the Purdue
Speaker 1: as a coaching change, there's Ryan Russell official to the
Speaker 1: Dallas from Carrolton Creek View High School. He was a
Speaker 1: little product. Yes, um, I he was probably here on
Speaker 1: Dallas they then. I don't know if I remember seeing
Speaker 1: his name, but yeah, I didn't mean to interrupt your dango. Well,
Speaker 1: the Purdue had a coaching change. They switched to a
Speaker 1: three to four and he was caught caught out a
Speaker 1: position as a five technique and he didn't really adapt
Speaker 1: well to that new position. And I think that's a
Speaker 1: big part of why he struggled. But size wise, you know,
Speaker 1: six four two seventy pounds, four seventy five forty yard dash,
Speaker 1: A good a good kid too, just didn't fit what
Speaker 1: Purdue wanted. So he's better in a four to three
Speaker 1: as a as a left defensive end, and that's probably
Speaker 1: what he is. He's more of a backup, and that's
Speaker 1: what I scattered him as as a backup. Doesn't have
Speaker 1: a high NFL ceiling. But you know we're talking in
Speaker 1: these late rounds, in the fifth round, that's the type
Speaker 1: of player that you're you're looking for. So Ryan Russell
Speaker 1: is a Dallas cowboy and so one. I mean again,
Speaker 1: that defensive line, I mean, all of a sudden, you
Speaker 1: talk about it being a position of need when we
Speaker 1: started the weekend, All of a sudden, now you're thinking, man,
Speaker 1: pretty crowded room right now. I mean, you know, you
Speaker 1: draft Gregory and Russell in this draft class. Keep in
Speaker 1: mind we've lost Anthony Spencer as well as George Selvi.
Speaker 1: George Selva is off. You lose Henry Melton to Tampa Bay,
Speaker 1: and free agency, you bring back Nick Hayden, you signed
Speaker 1: Greg Hardy in free agency. You draft two guys at end.
Speaker 1: This guy's left end, you would assume, right, I would guess.
Speaker 1: So yeah, so you're saying the scheme change and all
Speaker 1: that day it really stunted his development because again as
Speaker 1: a freshman, really impressed. Uh, you know, when I was
Speaker 1: scouting Kawan, short defensive tackle Ryan Russell was the player
Speaker 1: that was jumping off the film to me. But then
Speaker 1: the coaching change, the scheme change, it really just halted
Speaker 1: his development. And you know you didn't like what you
Speaker 1: saw in terms of development the next few years. You
Speaker 1: could throw on his freshman tape and throw on some
Speaker 1: senior tape, not much difference between the two. So you
Speaker 1: didn't just you didn't see that development over the years.
Speaker 1: At six five, two seventy three, Bill, I would, Yeah,
Speaker 1: I'd have to assume a left defensive end, which I mean,
Speaker 1: granted that's something. Right end is the one that generates
Speaker 1: the sacks, but it's you can't ignore that either, is
Speaker 1: what do you think the depth chart is at left
Speaker 1: defensive end of Marcus Lawrence as your starter, right Jack Crawford.
Speaker 1: Jack Crawford would be too. Gardner, Ben Gardner is probably
Speaker 1: a left defensive end as well. And Ben Gardner and
Speaker 1: this guy are going to fight out for a spot.
Speaker 1: Maybe leon Let's in the room had shakes all around.
Speaker 1: Leon must have went and worked this guy out, and
Speaker 1: this is one of his guys, so good for good
Speaker 1: for Leon Let If that in fact that is the case,
Speaker 1: this is all None of this will matter when fa
Speaker 1: Obada is the starting left end day season. Keep an
Speaker 1: eye on all fa see what happens there. So it
Speaker 1: with just two picks left, both in the seventh round.
Speaker 1: As of right now, we are off for the foreseeable
Speaker 1: future with no sixth round pick. So you've got the
Speaker 1: Cowboys draft class includes four defensive players and one offensive player.
Speaker 1: Cornerback Byron Jones, first defensive end Randy Gregory, and in
Speaker 1: the third round tackle Chaz Green, Damian Wilson, fourth round
Speaker 1: linebacker from Minnesota. Fifth round now Ryan Russell, defensive end Purdue.
Speaker 1: They load up on the big ten here on the
Speaker 1: third day of the draft. All right, about that. Just
Speaker 1: some strengths, you know, we've talked about where Russell kind
Speaker 1: of fell short. But some of his strengths from my
Speaker 1: sky report physical hands, adequate length, work off blockers, He's balanced,
Speaker 1: continue his path to the pocket, smooth body type, he
Speaker 1: can sink redirect while in pursuit, stays low off the snap,
Speaker 1: using leverage, hustle, discipline, vers lave run. He's experienced in
Speaker 1: multiple fronts, so he is well versed with the various
Speaker 1: front seven responsibilities, and you love the resume as a
Speaker 1: four years order forty seven career starts, He's seen a
Speaker 1: lot of football um and a local kid as Bill
Speaker 1: mentioned from Carrollton. Yeah, he could. I mean he could
Speaker 1: probably be here later today. If I had to guess,
Speaker 1: you could bring him in as the today. I don't
Speaker 1: know if they send the bus for the fifth round guy.
Speaker 1: I think the bus is probably just for Byron maybe
Speaker 1: under Orlando Scandrick was a fifth rounder. Story Joseph Randall,
Speaker 1: who might be you're starting running back fifth rounder? Maybe
Speaker 1: the most predictable pick just now. Joe Cardona and the
Speaker 1: Navy long snapper to New England. You know, Bill Belichick
Speaker 1: had his eye on that long snapper for a while.
Speaker 1: His dad coached, right, So how often does a long
Speaker 1: snapper get drafted? Well, if he plays, if he plays
Speaker 1: as long as some of these guys have played in
Speaker 1: them as well, if you get your man, it's a
Speaker 1: fifteen year type of deal. Yeah, we've had a putter
Speaker 1: now long snapper in this jof in the fifth round.
Speaker 1: But we've got guys like Michael ben In on the
Speaker 1: still on the board. He's won a national Championship, Nudis
Speaker 1: Roaches Hall just you know, it's amazing these teams and
Speaker 1: what they and what they do and what they see
Speaker 1: and I and I get it. And you know, maybe
Speaker 1: this is the times when you have guys, when guys
Speaker 1: don't go off the board that you question what you
Speaker 1: really saw on that player as a scout. And I know, Dane,
Speaker 1: you know, and I here, I am. I can honestly
Speaker 1: tell you Ryan Russell is a guy did not study
Speaker 1: I did not I did not study Ryan Russell. I
Speaker 1: did not think that Ryan ru I mean, I just
Speaker 1: didn't feel like, in going through some of the notes
Speaker 1: and stuff, who are the guys and I stayed two
Speaker 1: hundred and twenty five players. You know, here's the thing,
Speaker 1: here's the thing that struck me about it and why
Speaker 1: I looked him up was the ten yards split. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean, he's here's a guy who's six four, two
Speaker 1: seventy and he's got a one sixty two ten yards
Speaker 1: split at one sixty four to combine U twenty five
Speaker 1: bench reps to go along with it. And that I
Speaker 1: just noticed as a seven twenty five hone drill two.
Speaker 1: And so I noticed that. So in my limited time
Speaker 1: to look up these guys. That's where I go off of,
Speaker 1: and then I go researching further. Well, you love the
Speaker 1: ten yards split? One sixty three is a good time
Speaker 1: for him? Um, you look at just for comparison, Shane
Speaker 1: Ray his ten yards split was one sixty three. Uh,
Speaker 1: some other guys to see DIGGI zoo his ten yards
Speaker 1: split one six one sou for Ryan Russell, you like
Speaker 1: the ten yards split. That's that that measures initial get
Speaker 1: off off off the line, that initial quickness. And so
Speaker 1: with Ryan Russell again, I liked. I liked what I
Speaker 1: saw early in his career. I just didn't see that development.
Speaker 1: But that's something with NFL coaching, you know, there's some
Speaker 1: untapped You like the other thing, Purdue defensive ends have
Speaker 1: a habit of making teams right league and contributing to Okay,
Speaker 1: we're back on the draft for the war room covered
Speaker 1: up back to us ugly mugs. Yeah, and probably had
Speaker 1: a number of Purdue defensive ends who have made it
Speaker 1: in this league, probably go away for a while. So uh,
Speaker 1: Cowboys no sixth round pick though, all right, So I'm curious,
Speaker 1: and we talked about this briefly. UM, just trying to
Speaker 1: project what this defensive line looks like after these two picks,
Speaker 1: I mean you carry, I mean you got an eight
Speaker 1: man rotation. You're thinking, I mean, what's the maximum guys
Speaker 1: that you would I mean nine nine defensive linemen on
Speaker 1: this team. Well, they carried, Yeah, they rotate, you know yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean you want a two man rotation, right if
Speaker 1: you can help it? Right. So we might be getting
Speaker 1: Ryan Russell here. I kind of I thought that might
Speaker 1: be on the on the phone here, So we're kind
Speaker 1: of in in hold mode right now. And uh well,
Speaker 1: so as we compare, we got Ryan, we do heavy. Okay,
Speaker 1: we got Ryan Russell here. Ryan Russell? Hello, are you there?
Speaker 1: I'm here, I'm here, Hey, good congratulations Ryan Russell. I'm
Speaker 1: being a Dallas Cowboy. Thank you. I appreciate it. You
Speaker 1: got Bill Jones here. I'm with CBS eleven Sports here
Speaker 1: locally and Dallas sport Worth as well as here with
Speaker 1: the Cowboys, and Brian brought Us of Dallas Cowboys dot com.
Speaker 1: David Hellman of Dallas Cowboys dot com as well. We
Speaker 1: know that you're a local product as well, Carrolton Creek,
Speaker 1: you high school, and so this has to make your
Speaker 1: day to be a Cowboy right definitely. I mean twenty
Speaker 1: minutes from Dallas. I've been to. They were the first
Speaker 1: UM football games I went to Dallas Cowboys football game.
Speaker 1: But I love watching them grow up and I'm just
Speaker 1: so happy to be, you know, going going back their
Speaker 1: home and being able to play for such a great organization.
Speaker 1: Where are you right now? Right right now, I'm actually
Speaker 1: in Buffalo, New York. Um, this is where most of
Speaker 1: my family are right now. So that's why I'm at
Speaker 1: right now that can't wait to get back to Dallas.
Speaker 1: So what has this day been like for you? And
Speaker 1: what was your reaction when you got the call from
Speaker 1: Jerry Jones? When when I heard when I heard Jerry
Speaker 1: Jones on the phone, I was just in shock and awe.
Speaker 1: I mean, I'm just relieved, excited, humbled, blast, There's so
Speaker 1: many words that come to mind. I can't even I
Speaker 1: can't even describe it. Really. And what were you thinking
Speaker 1: as this day was going on? Um, just that I
Speaker 1: wanted a team to believe in me as much I
Speaker 1: believe myself and to give me opportunity to grow and become,
Speaker 1: you know, the player that I know I can be.
Speaker 1: And when I met with the Cowboys and coach Marinelli.
Speaker 1: You know, I definitely felt that from them and from
Speaker 1: the organization. I felt that support and then encourage me
Speaker 1: and just the teaching that that they bring to the organization.
Speaker 1: And I couldn't have picked a better team to be
Speaker 1: a part of lot. I'm glad they chose me. Ryan.
Speaker 1: Did they work you out in West Lafayette or did
Speaker 1: you come here to work out? Did when you first
Speaker 1: had your with with with Marinelli and Leon letting those guys?
Speaker 1: Uh Um, Coast Bloom actually came to Okay, we didn't
Speaker 1: work out there, Okay. Um. After that, I took a
Speaker 1: visit out to Dallas, Okay with coach Lanton and coach Marinelli. Okay, great.
Speaker 1: So and again we had coach Marinelli on earlier today
Speaker 1: and he was talking about guys that have that position
Speaker 1: flexibility and and you know, we were leading up to
Speaker 1: the draft and stuff, and even when you were the selection. Yeah,
Speaker 1: we've talked about You've played a couple of different schemes
Speaker 1: while you were at Purdue, and so is this this
Speaker 1: four three scheme playing as I assume like playing is
Speaker 1: a left defensive end. Is that something you will be
Speaker 1: comfortable doing? Oh? Yeah, definitely. That's that's where I started
Speaker 1: learning football, and that's where I fell in love with
Speaker 1: the game at and that, Um, you know, I've done
Speaker 1: a lot of things, that's definitely the thing I'm most
Speaker 1: comfortable with. And I'm just excited to be able to
Speaker 1: play that and learn and grow and if they need
Speaker 1: me in different areas, you know, in different schemes or
Speaker 1: from places, I think I can do that as well. Hey, Ryan, congrats. Uh,
Speaker 1: you know, we we have the opportunity to watch the
Speaker 1: Cowboys war room cam here while they're making these selections
Speaker 1: and uh, certain certainly seemed to get a good response
Speaker 1: from Leon Latt when he heard that you were the pick.
Speaker 1: What what's Leon? You mentioned Rod Marinelli? What's been that
Speaker 1: that dialogue in that relationship with these guys as the
Speaker 1: draft process has gone on, and what you've been able
Speaker 1: to learn about them? Well, just coaching me and when
Speaker 1: I when I met him when I came to Dallas,
Speaker 1: and is very supportive. You know, he's played, he's been
Speaker 1: in my position before. He knows kind of you know,
Speaker 1: the things that it takes in the criticism you hear
Speaker 1: from the outside and the support system. Ashmunal insight so
Speaker 1: instantly we kicked it off. I mean, he's given me
Speaker 1: great support. There's been a lot of you know, questions
Speaker 1: or concerns about my play and then things like that.
Speaker 1: And I told him, you know, the first that I
Speaker 1: met him, I was like, I don't really have any excuses.
Speaker 1: I don't have any reasons. I'm just ready to change
Speaker 1: that perception of myself. And I think we really hit
Speaker 1: it off there and hit the ground running in that regard.
Speaker 1: And when I met coach Marinelli, I mean, his first
Speaker 1: thing he told me said, I'm going to make you
Speaker 1: a better player. To whether the draft through, we don't
Speaker 1: ease this time that we have together, I'm going to
Speaker 1: make you a better player. And I definitely left the
Speaker 1: meeting so like I knew way more than I came
Speaker 1: in with. And just knowing that, I was like, if
Speaker 1: I could come here and if I can be under
Speaker 1: his mentorship, that I know I can be the best
Speaker 1: player that I could possibly be. So I'm just like
Speaker 1: I said, I'm ecstatic to be a Dallas Cowboy. Yeah
Speaker 1: there you go right. Well listen ay, well, Ben Bloom,
Speaker 1: the defensive line coach is now here in studio with us.
Speaker 1: So I'm gonna give you an opportunity to get to
Speaker 1: say hello to coach Blue, who you were talking about,
Speaker 1: came to West Lafayette and got a chance to work
Speaker 1: you out. So coach the floors yours Brian. What's up man?
Speaker 1: How you doing? I'm doing great? How are you coaching?
Speaker 1: I'm excited, man, I think I'm doing better than you.
Speaker 1: I'm just pumped to have you on the squad. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I don't know about that, but I'm definitely excited to Well,
Speaker 1: the most exciting part for me is other than your ability,
Speaker 1: which you've shown in college. You know, the expectation here
Speaker 1: and how we play, and you know, we got to
Speaker 1: work together at the workout at Purdue. So um, I
Speaker 1: feel like we've already laid the right foundation for you to,
Speaker 1: you know, come in here and you know, fight for
Speaker 1: a job right away. Yeah, sir, Yeah sir. Well, Ryan, listen,
Speaker 1: thank you so much for joining us today. We really
Speaker 1: appreciate you. Congratulations on being select. I know it's a
Speaker 1: very exciting day for you and for your family. Have
Speaker 1: a safe trip back from buff and we'll see here
Speaker 1: in a couple of weeks for camps. Okay, all right,
Speaker 1: thank you appreciate all right, thank you, grats Ryan, Well
Speaker 1: you went and did the workout. Yeah, this is this
Speaker 1: is this Verst saying, look, is this one of your
Speaker 1: pet cats? Is this one of these guys that I
Speaker 1: walked by your office and you grind on that tape
Speaker 1: pretty hard? You coach these guys really hard. Is this
Speaker 1: one of those guys that it was kind of caught
Speaker 1: your eye initially as it was going along. Yeah, I
Speaker 1: mean he's got a lot of talent and it definitely
Speaker 1: flashed throughout his college career. You know, I just remember
Speaker 1: watching him playing Indiana Notre Dame, those two games. Even
Speaker 1: he again, sureff from Iowa. You know, he played some
Speaker 1: big time competition at some big time games. So I
Speaker 1: was excited to see that. And Ryan alluded to it.
Speaker 1: He wasn't a consistent player. So it's my job and
Speaker 1: his job was working together to get that consistency from him. Right,
Speaker 1: we talk I mean, nobody knows better than y'all. We
Speaker 1: talk about, you know, the roles these guys play. Once
Speaker 1: you get him here and we're working on our best guestimates. Really,
Speaker 1: I mean he left end is that I mean, you
Speaker 1: have an idea of what you kind of hope to
Speaker 1: start him out as and what you see him as becoming. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I think he can play any end position, but from
Speaker 1: a measurable standpoint, and you know what he's done in college,
Speaker 1: left end seems to be the most natural fit. But
Speaker 1: we don't like to, you know, put our guys in
Speaker 1: a limited right pigeonhole. Pigeon hole, it's a good way
Speaker 1: to say it. So sure, I think he could play left.
Speaker 1: If he had a play right, he could play right,
Speaker 1: and then we'd always experiment moving him inside. But I
Speaker 1: think left end is the obvious place to start him
Speaker 1: off at and got with his speed, athleticism, ability to
Speaker 1: bend for a tall guy, that's where you can see, hey,
Speaker 1: we could have some position flex here. His Russian mechanics,
Speaker 1: he can flip his hips, he can dip his inside shoulder,
Speaker 1: he can burst to the ball, so hey, he can
Speaker 1: rush from anywhere. In my mind, we just got to
Speaker 1: find the best place for him. We always joke that
Speaker 1: every position coach wants his guy to get drafted at
Speaker 1: any round of the draft. So what, how how's it
Speaker 1: feeling with you, Leon and Rob Marinelli? Right now with
Speaker 1: Randy Gregory and now and now another defensive lineman in
Speaker 1: the building this weekend. It's exciting. You know. We just
Speaker 1: want to get as many talented guys that love football
Speaker 1: here and create competition. We're better coaches when we have competition.
Speaker 1: And uh, it's gonna make everybody, uh in the defensive
Speaker 1: line room better coaches and players. Can you talk a
Speaker 1: little bit about the evaluation of Gregory? I mean, again,
Speaker 1: that's something that is you guys. You guys coach these
Speaker 1: guys and you look at these guys and anything else
Speaker 1: is you know, the front office has to take care
Speaker 1: of that. I mean, you're responsibly. But talk about though,
Speaker 1: when you get a player to get an opportunity to
Speaker 1: coach a guy that a lot of people as thinks
Speaker 1: and I agree at elite rush ability and now here
Speaker 1: he is a part of your team, and then talk
Speaker 1: about coaching a guy like that. Yeah, I mean when
Speaker 1: you turn on the tape and watch Randy Um, the
Speaker 1: talents obvious as a rusher. Um, even with his length
Speaker 1: and ability to bend, he can set an edge again
Speaker 1: as the big oh tackle. Um. The speed, the rush ability,
Speaker 1: the natural instincts, it's all there. And his motors high too.
Speaker 1: So from a football character standpoint, From a talent. You know,
Speaker 1: it's everything you want. So you're excited to have a
Speaker 1: guy here that puts a lot of positive things on tape,
Speaker 1: and you just want to get a guy like here,
Speaker 1: Get him here, guy like that, Get him here, get
Speaker 1: him lined up seeing the right stuff and playing fast
Speaker 1: and let his natural abilities take over before I let
Speaker 1: you go here. We talk about with the with the
Speaker 1: Marcus Lawrence, you know, and last year wet yeah, and
Speaker 1: we lost we didn't We lost him in the preseason
Speaker 1: and then you know, through the middle of the season
Speaker 1: and then you guys worked really hard every day even
Speaker 1: when he wasn't doing physical rep tracts and he was
Speaker 1: working against somebody, you were working on his technique. Talk
Speaker 1: about where you see him at right now from where
Speaker 1: he started to this point in time where we'll see
Speaker 1: him out here in the camps and stuff here really soon. Yeah. No,
Speaker 1: it's a great question. And um, you know, part of
Speaker 1: our offseason work with all the players on our current roster,
Speaker 1: we go back and look at their entire season individually
Speaker 1: and cut up you know, what you did well, which
Speaker 1: you didn't do well, so we can really focus on
Speaker 1: specific things. And you know, in the last few weeks.
Speaker 1: I've watched and watched the Marcus from his first game
Speaker 1: versus Arizona all the way through the playoffs, and you
Speaker 1: see him playing better as the season goes along. Now
Speaker 1: it's easy to say, hey, he had two sacks in
Speaker 1: the playoffs, so from a statistical standpoint, he did that,
Speaker 1: but if you just watch the individual plays, he's playing
Speaker 1: better and better. With him, the toughness and the physicality
Speaker 1: was always there, So just for him, it's the technique stuff,
Speaker 1: rushing the passer, you know, working edges, working half a man,
Speaker 1: using his speed, getting better with his hands. He's doing
Speaker 1: that stuff and he has improved with that, and he
Speaker 1: did it coming kind of behind the eight ball from
Speaker 1: a deficit. So now he's got a a full off
Speaker 1: season and a full training camp, so I see the
Speaker 1: sky the limit with him and he should be competing
Speaker 1: to be on the field a ton of fus next year. Well,
Speaker 1: Coach Bloom, thanks so much for Josh. Appreciate kings great
Speaker 1: insight there. That's coach Cowboys defensive line coach Ben Bloom,
Speaker 1: one of the really outstanding young coaches in this league.
Speaker 1: I've really enjoyed watching him work so up watching and
Speaker 1: he even says that when you're not in Yeah, no,
Speaker 1: I do think a lot of respect. His office is
Speaker 1: right on the hallways. You can always tell when he's
Speaker 1: actually working. No, no, he works a lot, that's but no,
Speaker 1: he is going when the outstanding young coaches and thanks
Speaker 1: again for your time, Ben Bloom the defensive line coaches,
Speaker 1: das coach. This is continuing coverage of the twenty fifteen
Speaker 1: and FL Draft on Della's Cowboys dot com. Brian brought
Speaker 1: us back here devastating news. News roach is actually means
Speaker 1: say it ain't so, say it ain't so. Kansas City
Speaker 1: chief can't see change at John Dorsey again. Another guy
Speaker 1: worked with smart football man. It's a guy. It's a guy.
Speaker 1: We really liked that the Cowboys don't have to play. Yeah,
Speaker 1: so at least we got that going for class. Fool
Speaker 1: guy I'm working on. I had him a little high
Speaker 1: there in the fourth round. I believe for uh for
Speaker 1: CBS Sports, I'm working on five winners and five losers
Speaker 1: from this weekend. And I tell you want people to
Speaker 1: tweet to you that the chief tell me, tell me
Speaker 1: your opinion. But the chiefs are up there. I really
Speaker 1: like what they did. Adding two impact corners with Marcus
Speaker 1: Peters and Stevie Nelson. Uh, Mitch Morris, I thought, is
Speaker 1: their center of the future. I don't think I loved
Speaker 1: that receiver pick they made though, the Conley kid, Oh see,
Speaker 1: I I like that at that point in that third round.
Speaker 1: Uh I he blew up the combine and so the
Speaker 1: workout warrior. I mean, you know, but he his tape,
Speaker 1: you could see it. He showed Flash is not the
Speaker 1: most consistent player lass class houses can't throw. I mean,
Speaker 1: people call Byron Jones a workout warrior. So who am
Speaker 1: I to say that that Conley's a workout warrior. So
Speaker 1: we shall see, we shall see. How's the last four
Speaker 1: doing in Kansas City? Did he do anything? No, he's
Speaker 1: been a little bit. Yeah. I liked him. I liked him. Uh.
Speaker 1: You've got the members of the Draft show here and
Speaker 1: including our trusted director there of Kent Garrison leading the way.
Speaker 1: He's been here shout out, shout out ed k Hill. Yeah,
Speaker 1: not not with us, not even not even watching because
Speaker 1: he's probably at a soccer game. He's chicken strip some Yeah,
Speaker 1: he's not really it, but you know he's doing he's
Speaker 1: doing a simulated mock dra He was a vital he
Speaker 1: was a vital part of the Draft show. He was
Speaker 1: and we're very and as we start this round, kay Hill, Yeah,
Speaker 1: it would give us an opportunity I almost spit my
Speaker 1: drink out, almost give us an opportunity to thank everybody
Speaker 1: again as we get into the last round here colways
Speaker 1: do have two picks, but to thank everybody along the
Speaker 1: way that's made the Draft Show possible. It did started
Speaker 1: out ed and I with an idea of what we
Speaker 1: wanted to do and Derek Eagleton, everybody allowing out out
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Speaker 1: to big thanks to da guy right here is a machine.
Speaker 1: And uh, you know we've been here since Jeff and
Speaker 1: Katie Yeah, Bill cast a thousand, but the I'm talking
Speaker 1: about our Draft show up this year. Yeah guy, I
Speaker 1: know we appreciate you guys sending a long journey from
Speaker 1: it has been from Mobile, Alabama on a Winnebago. It
Speaker 1: was a fun journey though, absolutely it was fun. Do
Speaker 1: it again next year. The uh Christian socally from Buffalo.
Speaker 1: Yeah Soaky's yeah. A player who Laurence so Cool, an
Speaker 1: Albanian native immigrant who was out of position at nose
Speaker 1: guard for the Buffalo went to Seattle. His agent just tweeted,
Speaker 1: they're moving him the offensive line. Yeah, I saw I
Speaker 1: listed to him as a guard. Yeah, that's interesting. Seattle
Speaker 1: at j R. Sweezy another former defensive lineman they moved
Speaker 1: to the offensive line started has been a consistent guard
Speaker 1: for them. That is only it's coming teen kid from Rice,
Speaker 1: guy picked by Houston, So good for him. Yeah, Christian
Speaker 1: nat play it obviously at Rice. Yeah, well yeah Rice,
Speaker 1: So he doesn't. He gets to upgrade his apartment, is
Speaker 1: what he does. He goes now from having like yeah,
Speaker 1: he moves apart to campus to a good to a
Speaker 1: real good apartment. So good for Christian Comington. And then
Speaker 1: we said about Nunis Roaches, a guy that one of
Speaker 1: my favorite players. I have a lot of favorite players, Dave,
Speaker 1: you know that that's okay, the wrong Southern miss. He
Speaker 1: goes to my buddy John Dorsey at the Kansas City Chiefs.
Speaker 1: So good for him. He gets at up. So we're
Speaker 1: now into the uh into the seventh round. I always
Speaker 1: like to call this the lightning round. Uh. He was
Speaker 1: on the clock that Cowboys picks coming too. Yeah, we
Speaker 1: do have Cowboys picks coming the Tampa Bay Buccaneers. Let
Speaker 1: me see, actually Oakland had this this first pick at
Speaker 1: two eighteen and where that would be Anthony Morris to
Speaker 1: tackle from Tennessee State. Uh, then we go to pick
Speaker 1: two nineteen, which would be that would be the Cleveland Browns.
Speaker 1: Picks been traded quite a bit. Sad stat that Jason
Speaker 1: Witten probably doesn't want to hear that I pulled off Twitter. Yep,
Speaker 1: Tennessee State and Tennessee Chattanooga have had players drafted today. Yeah,
Speaker 1: this weekend. Ye. No volunteers off the board. No volunteers
Speaker 1: in twenty fifteen so far. Yeah. And by the way,
Speaker 1: Justin Coleman, we might see him this round, but my
Speaker 1: big could get shut out. War room cam is now covered.
Speaker 1: You're seeing that our faces right now. But when they
Speaker 1: feel comfortable about getting this going again, we will see
Speaker 1: the war room. We've been doing that all weekend. It's
Speaker 1: been something I feel like they I feel like they've
Speaker 1: covered the camera up more this year than they have
Speaker 1: in years past. But they they've got a lot going
Speaker 1: on in there, a lot of a lot of you know,
Speaker 1: a lot of trying to figure things out. So a
Speaker 1: lot of a lot of debate, a lot of debt
Speaker 1: and going on. They don't need to see. But no,
Speaker 1: we've we've got a Really it's been a nice thing
Speaker 1: for us to go in there and be a part
Speaker 1: and see as picks have been made and stuff. That was.
Speaker 1: That was a trip during the Randy Gregory it was
Speaker 1: how animated that room was to Dane pick two nineteen
Speaker 1: to Cleveland. Hayes Pollard, the inside linebacker from USC. Yeah,
Speaker 1: a player that as a four year starter at USC,
Speaker 1: you know, racked up the production three hundred and seventy
Speaker 1: seven tackles. Uh. I'm not sure where he fits. Is
Speaker 1: he an inside back er, outside backer? He played both,
Speaker 1: He played both, he played middle, he played a will
Speaker 1: for Cleveland or for a USC. Now going to Cleveland,
Speaker 1: he's be one heck of a special teams player for them. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I think that's where he's gonna fit. Uh. You know,
Speaker 1: obviously he's around the ball, he is, he can play
Speaker 1: in space. Um, he's an athlete. So UM, we'll see
Speaker 1: how he how he transitions to to defense. But I
Speaker 1: think initially on special teams where he'll make his uh,
Speaker 1: he'll he'll be earning his paychecks. That's the eleventh pick
Speaker 1: for the Browns. Yeah, damn there, and then they have
Speaker 1: another picket, so they could come away with a dozen
Speaker 1: a dozen pick and everybody thought they were gonna be
Speaker 1: dealing them the way. Uh. The next team that will
Speaker 1: be on the clock at two twenty is the Jacksonville Jaguars.
Speaker 1: I'm just making sure that they're in fact they are
Speaker 1: on the clock. They are on the clock. Pick this
Speaker 1: a pick has been announced at all. If you see anything,
Speaker 1: I don't think so. And then behind them will be
Speaker 1: the Oakland Raiders. So again, this will be teams. Now,
Speaker 1: this is what teams do. You know, your your your
Speaker 1: scouts are already now with coaches. They're calling free agents,
Speaker 1: they're trying to recruit a little bit. You're talking to guys. Hey, listen,
Speaker 1: if you don't get picked, h you know, we'd love
Speaker 1: to have you. Chris Hall does a tremendous job with
Speaker 1: the priority free agents will be here, you know, through
Speaker 1: the evening getting them. Yeah, I mean list of guys
Speaker 1: as you know, you assume the seventh round will probably
Speaker 1: be over and yeah, and the whole idea, the whole
Speaker 1: idea here is that if there is guys that are
Speaker 1: on the board that are still on their draft board
Speaker 1: physically on their board. When this thing ends, those guys
Speaker 1: become the priorities that you go out and get. So
Speaker 1: as we go to the war room, cam uh, you'll
Speaker 1: see guys stand by the board and all that. And
Speaker 1: but that's the idea. Tony Romo. Let me get an example.
Speaker 1: Tony Romo was not drafted. Then he became a priority
Speaker 1: free agent. Boom, go to work, Bill Parcels, Jerry Jones,
Speaker 1: Stephen Jones, try and get him to be a Dallas
Speaker 1: cowboy in that in fact happened. So and Andrew Brandt's
Speaker 1: gonna tweet out his favorite story here in a minute
Speaker 1: about how he was working in the Green Bay for
Speaker 1: ant office and oh three, and and nobody was interested
Speaker 1: in signing Tony Romo to an undrafted contract. So yeah,
Speaker 1: but no, it is, I mean so yeah, I mean
Speaker 1: the seventh round will probably be over by about I
Speaker 1: don't know five. It is the light, Yeah, Oga, the
Speaker 1: Pixar coming off there. I'm gonna stump you on a
Speaker 1: guy there. Day the Jacksonville Jaguars at the two hundred
Speaker 1: and twentieth spot took a wide receiver from Mammouth, New
Speaker 1: Jersey Mammouth College named Neil Sterling. What do you know
Speaker 1: about Neil Sterling? Uh, you know he's a big kid.
Speaker 1: Uh now he's six two, two thirty five. He I
Speaker 1: did see a little bit of him. Yeah, I don't
Speaker 1: think we're talking about Miles Austin Miles Aston, yeah exact, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: but he's a thick player. He looks all bit of
Speaker 1: two thirty five. Um, surprise he's drafted over some of
Speaker 1: these players. We I mean, Trey McBride, something is going
Speaker 1: on with him that he's still on the board. Well McBride,
Speaker 1: Lewis you know Farmer, These are all guys we talked.
Speaker 1: I have a feeling you're gonna see these guys come
Speaker 1: off the board and maybe as we get closer to
Speaker 1: Dallas's pick with two in this round, like we alluded
Speaker 1: to before our break, I walked down the coaching the
Speaker 1: coaching corridor while we were out in commercial and uh
Speaker 1: could hear could hear some rumblings coming from Derek Dooley's office.
Speaker 1: So we'll see if they're gonna get into any was
Speaker 1: Derek on a rampage? Rampage is not fair, but you
Speaker 1: could just kind of hear him was he mumbling. It was.
Speaker 1: It was like an excited kind of chatter that classic.
Speaker 1: Well he's you know, and what they're doing, Like I said,
Speaker 1: these the scouts are with the coaches. They're doing recruiting
Speaker 1: and this is what Derek Dooley can do. Derek Dooley,
Speaker 1: get on the phone. That dude sell That dude will
Speaker 1: sell you like he'll sell you a bridge. Y. Yeah. Yeah,
Speaker 1: So that's what's going on right now, this this round,
Speaker 1: these picks will go. You know, teams have an idea,
Speaker 1: I bet, and you gotta believe the offensive coaches are like,
Speaker 1: give us somebody, Come on, it's been all defense. Well,
Speaker 1: who are the most elite players on this team? If
Speaker 1: you think right now, I'm aware of that. That doesn't
Speaker 1: mean Derek Dooley doesn't want another wide receiver. I'm sure
Speaker 1: Derek Dooley would like ten watch sup Arry Brown wants
Speaker 1: a running back to play around with. I bet you yeah,
Speaker 1: Well that they might see some again the priority free agents.
Speaker 1: They're showing some highlights right now of Neil Sterling and
Speaker 1: Danish Right. This kid is a good looking sucker, isn't
Speaker 1: He is a good looking kid wearing number seventeen and
Speaker 1: that's also you can probably count seventeen people in the stands. Yeah,
Speaker 1: he's not a big stadium, but from Mammoth College. And uh,
Speaker 1: you said not Miles Austin. He's much bigger than Miles
Speaker 1: Austin's right. Well, it's just you know, looking at the
Speaker 1: receiver still on the board, I'm just shocked about Trey McBride.
Speaker 1: Top one talent, Mike, Well, we've got Dallas's. Dallas's first
Speaker 1: pick is gonna be at two thirty six. This is
Speaker 1: the pick that they got from um, the San Diego Chargers. Uh,
Speaker 1: in the or it's I wasn't the defensive tackle. Oh
Speaker 1: my god, what's his name? Where it's killing? Oh, it's killing.
Speaker 1: I gotta I gotta remember. No, it's I can't. I
Speaker 1: can't not remember. You're not gonna remember that. No, it's
Speaker 1: just it's right on the tip of my tongue. I'm
Speaker 1: calling up the roster right now, and you're not helping.
Speaker 1: What's his name? I'm waiting. I'm waiting to see if
Speaker 1: you get it. Oh no, I mean I'm looking. Uh. Oh,
Speaker 1: really try hard, guy, No, I know, it's it's right
Speaker 1: on the tip of my tongue. Is he not with
Speaker 1: San Diego restricted guy. What's his name? What is his name?
Speaker 1: You don't know either? What a disasters terrible he was on?
Speaker 1: Oh you know, you seriously don't remember. I don't remember.
Speaker 1: Somebody tweet me what this guy's now? Oh, here we
Speaker 1: go and Everyboddy, Everybuddy John Nelson, John listen, that's what
Speaker 1: it was. I couldn't remember. I was open. You were
Speaker 1: gonna get acting like I'm a jerk because I don't know.
Speaker 1: I played some games without a helmet. I don't remember
Speaker 1: this stuff, Like Buddy John Nelson in Liverpool he gets
Speaker 1: Sean listen more, thank you very much, Anthony, whoopee, Jazz God,
Speaker 1: Justin and everyone of them, all these cowboy fans. Here
Speaker 1: we are. We worked to the team and we can't
Speaker 1: even remember these players. Is that what this pick is?
Speaker 1: I believe this pick was for him, kay, So I
Speaker 1: believe that that was what it was. So, uh so
Speaker 1: anyway that would be let's let's let's project now, I
Speaker 1: mean it's we got to try and project some guys here.
Speaker 1: I mean potentially, uh Dane value anything that you see
Speaker 1: that you think something that you you do not want
Speaker 1: to fight for in free agency. You want to go
Speaker 1: ahead and knock this thing out right now. I mean
Speaker 1: you want to go ahead and just say, Okay, this
Speaker 1: is what we're gonna do. We don't want to fight
Speaker 1: anybody in free agency. We're gonna we're gonna draft one
Speaker 1: of these guys, Sean listen more. And a lot of
Speaker 1: times that comes down to, you know, offensive lineman, you
Speaker 1: know the big guys that will have options in free agency,
Speaker 1: Guys that you know their phone is gonna be buzzing.
Speaker 1: And right now it's when you start calling these guys
Speaker 1: and say, hey, you know, we might draft you at
Speaker 1: two thirty six. We don't know, but if we don't,
Speaker 1: we're going to be very interested to bring you in
Speaker 1: as an undrafted free agent, a priority guy. You know,
Speaker 1: we love you. There you're selling, they're selling exactly. So
Speaker 1: right now is when they're on the phone. It's gonna
Speaker 1: be interesting with some of these players because it's a
Speaker 1: it's a it's a it's a game. You you kind
Speaker 1: of have to weigh who do you think you can
Speaker 1: get as an undrafted free agent? Who do you think
Speaker 1: you need to draft just to make sure you secure
Speaker 1: his rights? Uh, it's interesting part of the seventh round.
Speaker 1: Dave from what you know team needs wise for the
Speaker 1: Dallas Cowboys, You've addressed a lot of different things, mostly
Speaker 1: on the defensive side of the ball. Today and and
Speaker 1: and the last few days you have where do you
Speaker 1: see is there one position? Is there you need another?
Speaker 1: Do you need another guard? Do you need another you
Speaker 1: know you're thinking about preseason games and stuff like that.
Speaker 1: You know you need more offensive lineman kinding back. I mean,
Speaker 1: is this kind of well I was going to mention
Speaker 1: that this kind of plays into it. We've been mentioning
Speaker 1: this a few times over the weekend. Adam Schefter reporting
Speaker 1: that Zach Stacey is now a Jet in exchange for
Speaker 1: the two twenty four overall pick, which, okay, coming up,
Speaker 1: coming up. Yeah, so the Rams get another pick at
Speaker 1: two twenty four and exchange for a decent I mean,
Speaker 1: you know, I'm not gonna wouldn't be the starter here anyway.
Speaker 1: You know, I'm kind of of the opinion people will
Speaker 1: say running back, But if you weren't going to take
Speaker 1: a real difference maker, I think you got four that
Speaker 1: you can roll with. It is concerning, but it's not
Speaker 1: something that I'm concerned, like, you know, really worried about
Speaker 1: in terms of just adding depth. Guys, I think safety,
Speaker 1: you know, you think about sure, I mean not so
Speaker 1: much for safety play, but special teams. You know, the C. J. Spillman,
Speaker 1: Danny McCray type of guy that can do special teams.
Speaker 1: And and you know, like you said, preseason games, um,
Speaker 1: the hockey kid from TCUs still on the board, the
Speaker 1: guy they see as a free safety. I know you
Speaker 1: wave your hand, yeah. And then my guy Jefferson. And
Speaker 1: Jefferson is one that I when we brought him up,
Speaker 1: I mean we liked him at the Senior Bowl. I did.
Speaker 1: I think that I tried to convince Dane that that
Speaker 1: he was a really, really good player, and Dane kind
Speaker 1: of laughed at me. And that's okay. Jefferson, No, I
Speaker 1: do watch him call it he covers strong. I mean
Speaker 1: you watch you know, you talk about a guy that
Speaker 1: could play with a little rain. I mean, that's just me.
Speaker 1: This is this is where I like him though. I mean,
Speaker 1: this is we're talking later rounds. This is where I
Speaker 1: do like Anthony Jeffers. This is and this is I mean,
Speaker 1: that's what I'm looking at here is you know, they
Speaker 1: need they need gunners, they need kick returners, they need
Speaker 1: kick coverage guys. I still think, which I'm sure Derek
Speaker 1: Dooley is talking about right now, they could use a
Speaker 1: receiver to kind of help handle that load because I
Speaker 1: don't I don't look at Devin Street as a special
Speaker 1: teams type guy. Um, so that's that's where I'm looking.
Speaker 1: Focus on specialty. Let's go to the inside there, can't
Speaker 1: you get some news force breaking news. The Rams have
Speaker 1: traded Zach Stacy to the Jets for two twenty four. Okay,
Speaker 1: so two twenty four is now on the clock and
Speaker 1: that pick looks like it's going in, so we will
Speaker 1: see who in fact, uh the uh, the Saint Louis Rams.
Speaker 1: Saint Louis Rams scene, they've been picking the whole day. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's the second day they've just been well, they made that. Um,
Speaker 1: they made that trade. They make it to the redskin
Speaker 1: trade where I didn't know about. No, they made they
Speaker 1: I think they made a trade with Carolina where Carolina
Speaker 1: jack sixteen spots. I'm with you, I'm with you, Okay.
Speaker 1: Bryce Hager is the pick from for the Saint Louis Rams.
Speaker 1: The inside linebacker Baylor Bear. Some peoplective sick, sick them,
Speaker 1: but to Texas, his dad was a big Texas All
Speaker 1: Southwest Conference player. Lining mac Brown's kicking himself. He didn't
Speaker 1: offer Bryce Hager more than a walk on opportunity for
Speaker 1: the long Horns because he went to Baylor and he
Speaker 1: had a terrific and actually, if you want, he played
Speaker 1: well against Texas in the game a chip, Yeah, he
Speaker 1: did have a chip. So yeah, Bryce Hager, the you
Speaker 1: know here, here's a guy I think in some mock drafts,
Speaker 1: I thought about putting Bryce Hager as that guy that,
Speaker 1: you know, that an instinctive kind of a player you
Speaker 1: flow to the football. Probably not the best athlete, but
Speaker 1: you talk about football smarts, intelligent player, all those things
Speaker 1: you want. There's some times where I thought he was
Speaker 1: a little bit iffy as a tackler, but the other times,
Speaker 1: you know, he wasn't one of those guys that dismissed
Speaker 1: every single tackle. So Bryce Hager, inside linebacker from Baylor
Speaker 1: goes to the Saint Louis Rams. So we're now to
Speaker 1: the Atlanta Falcons at pick two twenty five. Again trying
Speaker 1: to project some guys that potentially Dallas's first pick are
Speaker 1: Excuna first pick in the in the round will be
Speaker 1: at two thirty six. We seem to think that this
Speaker 1: could be kick returner type guys. We seem to think
Speaker 1: that maybe could there be a guard there? How about
Speaker 1: the how about the uh the uh the Mattis kid,
Speaker 1: I'm saying his name wrong from Florida State. Uh the
Speaker 1: m A t I A s Oh matthais Yeah, the
Speaker 1: guard matais, Yeah, Matais. Yeah. Anything Combine killed him? Yeah,
Speaker 1: that was what he was. Bad. It was bad. But
Speaker 1: the film is not terrible. Oh no, it's fourth round films,
Speaker 1: you know, around the never rounds. But yeah, I think
Speaker 1: that Combine really put up flares. Teams really worried about,
Speaker 1: you know, when you jump. Uh what he had like
Speaker 1: a twenty seven inch vertical or something ridiculous? Yeah, it was.
Speaker 1: It was not good. You he's I mean, he's a
Speaker 1: much better athlete on tape than he is. Yeah you
Speaker 1: aren't guessing that. Yeah, I'm sorry. Seventeen and a half
Speaker 1: inch Yeah, oh my god, I think I can do that. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: all right. Jake Rogers the picks in. Jake Rogers from
Speaker 1: Eastern Washington is the pick Washington State trans Yeah, Washington State.
Speaker 1: He is a offensive tackle Eastern Washington. From Eastern Washington
Speaker 1: transferred from Washington State. I want to pick your brain
Speaker 1: for a sect. Though you mentioned guard twice. I mean
Speaker 1: you thinking that's a I mean they got they have
Speaker 1: three pretty good ones right now. Is that somewhere where
Speaker 1: you need to address? I just I was just thinking
Speaker 1: about preseason games and stuff like that. You know, you're
Speaker 1: sure you don't want to. You don't want to. I mean, hey,
Speaker 1: you want to say where and tear on these guys.
Speaker 1: You don't want, you know, Zach Martin having to play
Speaker 1: a lot of the draft pick on him though. I mean, well,
Speaker 1: if it's a guy that you feel like could maybe
Speaker 1: be a practice squad guy, Martin, you got Martin, you
Speaker 1: got Leary, you got mac. Yeah, you feel pretty good
Speaker 1: about all of them on your fifty s. Sure, but
Speaker 1: I mean I'm trying to maybe find a developmental guy here.
Speaker 1: I mean, I'm looking for traits. I'm just trying to
Speaker 1: find a trait. I know, I don't know. I mean,
Speaker 1: at the end of the day, we're quibbling. These aren't
Speaker 1: valuable picks. But well, you never know, I mean, you don't,
Speaker 1: you don't, you don't. Jay Ratliffe was a seventh round pick. Yeah,
Speaker 1: Marcus Colson was a seventh round pick. But no, you're right.
Speaker 1: I just when you're talking about a guy like that,
Speaker 1: you know you're set at that position in terms of
Speaker 1: meaningful player. I was just trying to find guys, and
Speaker 1: Bill Jones didn't like. He didn't like h Shed, I mean,
Speaker 1: and I not. Yeah, I disagree with I disagree with
Speaker 1: Bill on this Shed part because this is crazy. People
Speaker 1: from the Giants who are gonna announce their their wedding.
Speaker 1: It's their wedding anniversary or wedding day. They're gonna announce
Speaker 1: the pick. NFL fans are the best. Can't we pull
Speaker 1: this up? The Giants are about to make a pick.
Speaker 1: We welcome Paul and Jennifer Durrasmo. Guys, who's the Giants pick?
Speaker 1: With the ninth pick of the seventh round, number two
Speaker 1: hundred and twenty six overall, the New York Football Giants
Speaker 1: select Bobby Hart, guard Florida Speed, Florida State. There you go,
Speaker 1: Bobby Hart, not the one we were talking all right? Ohell,
Speaker 1: this is again. These people here, they just evidently got
Speaker 1: married at the draft party and now they're they're announced
Speaker 1: to pick. So Bobby our heart's interesting because he's his
Speaker 1: tape was not impressive at all. But he's at twenty
Speaker 1: years old. He arrived at Florida State as a sixteen
Speaker 1: year old. UM. So he's a very young player and
Speaker 1: teams love that youth. They think they can get the upside.
Speaker 1: But seeing him on the Giants not something cowboys fans
Speaker 1: have to worry about. Okay, review, I'd tell you this time.
Speaker 1: This is time of the day where that you get
Speaker 1: a little snarky. I think it is that the right
Speaker 1: word about these players. I'm just the fact I'm going
Speaker 1: to die laughing if Curtis Drummond is about to become
Speaker 1: a cowboy like I won't be able to interview the
Speaker 1: kid because I'll be last. I've talked to him to
Speaker 1: or talking to him a few times. He's he's he's awesome.
Speaker 1: He's a good kid to talk to, so U when
Speaker 1: we talk about the player, that's what I was talking about.
Speaker 1: But I think he has the mental toughness where he
Speaker 1: can take it. I mean he's can he take me
Speaker 1: ripping him a little bit? I think so. I mean
Speaker 1: he's taking in a seventh round for a reason, and
Speaker 1: so he knows he has to a lot to show
Speaker 1: up or a lot to prove once he arrives. Martin
Speaker 1: Effetti Effettie, his younger brother. We'll be talking about maybe
Speaker 1: next year at this time. Texas A and M offensive tackle. Wow,
Speaker 1: he's taking over for a boy he at left tackle.
Speaker 1: He's that you know they seem to have. Yeah, the
Speaker 1: Matthews right a boo. Now if Eddie's gonna be the
Speaker 1: next left tackle for the Aggies, and so we're gonna
Speaker 1: be talking about him. He almost came out this year
Speaker 1: as a as a redshirt sophomore. He got a second
Speaker 1: round grade. But he's going back to school and as
Speaker 1: a redshirt junior. If he comes out early, could be
Speaker 1: talking about him as a first rounder. Yeah, Texas A
Speaker 1: and M seems done a really nice job of recruiting.
Speaker 1: Sorry with Sherman. Yeah, and someone's kept that going. That's
Speaker 1: the whole lineman that had come out of that school
Speaker 1: in the last four or five years. Yeah. Absolutely, Okay,
Speaker 1: this Uh, the Minnesota Vikings are on the clock here
Speaker 1: at here in the seventh round, pick two twenty eight.
Speaker 1: We're working our way down to Dallas's pick, the first
Speaker 1: pick in the seventh round for them at pick two
Speaker 1: thirty six. So we were trying to come up with
Speaker 1: some names of potential potential draft picks. Again, we do
Speaker 1: we don't want to battle in free agency. And let's
Speaker 1: remember there we talked about like the top one hundred
Speaker 1: and fifty players. Say that, I think every one around
Speaker 1: the league say, Okay, this guy's gonna get drafted. Then
Speaker 1: the final one hundred are just trait. It's out of
Speaker 1: like a list of a thousand names. Yeah, and you
Speaker 1: know people say, well, how could this guy not be
Speaker 1: invited to the combine or how did how could you
Speaker 1: guys not have this guy on your radar. Well, when
Speaker 1: you're talking about again about the top one hundred and
Speaker 1: fifty guys are set in stone as probably draftable. Those
Speaker 1: next one hundred, the final one hundred draft picks are
Speaker 1: out of a pool of about a thousand names that
Speaker 1: these teams have done a lot of work on. And
Speaker 1: so it's it's impossible to accurately peg who who's which
Speaker 1: team's gonna take who in the seventh round. But there
Speaker 1: are some talented players are still available. We've seen some
Speaker 1: guys just go like rakeem Nunion's roaches. Austin Shepherd, a
Speaker 1: talented player him he took over for Dj Fluker at
Speaker 1: Alabama at right tackle. I think he's probably better inside
Speaker 1: a guard. So the Vikings, a team that's had a
Speaker 1: really good draft. They got TJ. Clemings late and they
Speaker 1: got Austin Shepherd late, two guys to help that offensive line. Again,
Speaker 1: it's just about you don't want to battle. I mean
Speaker 1: that they felt like, maybe, okay, let's go ahead. We
Speaker 1: can't wait to free agency. Let's just who is our
Speaker 1: highest rated guy on the board at this time, and
Speaker 1: we don't have to battle for at the end of
Speaker 1: the day. I'm skipping ahead here a little bit because
Speaker 1: obviously we've got two picks to make for the Cowboys.
Speaker 1: But you've been in that room when it's time to
Speaker 1: sign the free agents. Though the battle, yeah speak, it seems,
Speaker 1: doesn't Dallas have a leg up. I mean it's a
Speaker 1: warm Yeah. Jerry Jones, Jerry Jones is a closer. There's
Speaker 1: a lot of reasons why I feel like an undrafted
Speaker 1: free agent would want to come here over somewhere. The
Speaker 1: biggest and I mean it depends on the depth that Yeah,
Speaker 1: there's two words right there. The biggest reason why. Yeah,
Speaker 1: trust me, these players right now, No, they know the
Speaker 1: depth charge they pull up whatever, and honestly, they see
Speaker 1: how the drafts gone. Ry agent. If I'm Curtis Drummond
Speaker 1: or another prospect, at this point, I'm saying, I hope
Speaker 1: I don't get drafted, yeah, because then you go, yeah,
Speaker 1: I will likely have at least a handful of options
Speaker 1: of where I can go. That way, I can look
Speaker 1: at the depth charts say, okay, this team might have
Speaker 1: a need. Uh, and you really have your choice of
Speaker 1: where you end up. So is that a first Notre
Speaker 1: Dame player off the board? That would be Ben Koyak?
Speaker 1: Is the first Notre Dame or off the board? Talked
Speaker 1: about him, Dane, you go, he went to the Jacksonville Jaguars.
Speaker 1: This is a pick they acquired from the Cleveland Browns.
Speaker 1: So Ben Koyak at pick two, twenty nine, Senior Bowl guy. Again,
Speaker 1: we talked about the A and M pipeline of tackles,
Speaker 1: Notre Dame pipeline of tight ends. Uh. You know guys
Speaker 1: like Carlson and Rudolph and the first rounder to the
Speaker 1: Bengals what's his name? Yeah, hasn't really lived up to
Speaker 1: that first round billing yet coming off he's been injured. Right,
Speaker 1: we'll see what he does this year. Um and Koyak
Speaker 1: continues at wasn't the top one hundred guy like the
Speaker 1: other players we just mentioned, but still a talented player,
Speaker 1: well rounded. There's nothing too exciting about his film, but
Speaker 1: well rounded pass catcher who moved guy? I mean, I
Speaker 1: I see a lot of wing, a lot of across
Speaker 1: the formation, a lot of out in the flat. I'm
Speaker 1: going to separate, but you know he does have some
Speaker 1: he does have natural hands to compete for compete at
Speaker 1: the catchpoint. So I think with Koyak, you have a
Speaker 1: tight end who can compete for snaps. Fasano notre dame
Speaker 1: guy to another one Dallas's own, well Dallas for a
Speaker 1: little while at least, yeah, doesn't Bill parslays. Okay, The
Speaker 1: New Orleans Saints are on the clock at at two
Speaker 1: thirty here, so again we're from them. It would be
Speaker 1: Dallas Cowboys at two thirty six. We've yet to see
Speaker 1: anything come from the war room cam that's still covered.
Speaker 1: That's why you're seeing Dane Brugler from CBS Sports David's
Speaker 1: seventh Round guys calmed down, you can take the paper off. Well,
Speaker 1: they might be they might be getting their free agency
Speaker 1: plans together too as well. So good point. But anyway,
Speaker 1: we're gonna see two picks from them in this round.
Speaker 1: As Dane says, though there's some some value still there
Speaker 1: saints of the talking about the Cowboys going defense. I mean,
Speaker 1: they took Pete with their first pick, but it's been
Speaker 1: they took Pete and they took a quarterback, which is
Speaker 1: always going to move the needle for any team that
Speaker 1: takes a quarterback. But do we talk about the grace
Speaker 1: and pet I mean they smoke screen that we thought
Speaker 1: it was Petty they I thought it was Yeah, I
Speaker 1: thought it was Petty. It wasn't just the media. There
Speaker 1: weren't other NFL teams who were convinced Petty was their guy.
Speaker 1: So uh, they did a nice job of curveball. And
Speaker 1: you know, look over here while we do this. And
Speaker 1: but so, like I said, quarterbacks always gonna move the needle.
Speaker 1: You take your first pick as an offensive tackle. Every
Speaker 1: other pick they've made, which is one, two, three, four, five, six,
Speaker 1: all the six of their other picks or defenders. So
Speaker 1: Rob Ryan's gotta be a happy game, not gonna lie.
Speaker 1: I wasn't a big fan. I haven't been a big
Speaker 1: fan of the Saints what they're what they're doing. Did
Speaker 1: you call him a loser in this draft? I hate?
Speaker 1: I'm sorry, I don't mean that way, right. I mean
Speaker 1: a team that, a team that because you can't call
Speaker 1: loser because again, I had a guy telling me he
Speaker 1: had the worst draft in the history of the league.
Speaker 1: And then you know, three years later it's a it's
Speaker 1: for the eight picks man, exactly. And that's so for
Speaker 1: this article I'm doing for CBS, I'm picking five winners,
Speaker 1: five users. Instead of using those uh winners and losers,
Speaker 1: I'm going with five teams I think did really well, yeah,
Speaker 1: and then five teams who had me scratching my head
Speaker 1: a little bit, okay, for different reasons. The losers a
Speaker 1: strong thing when you talk about and I think the
Speaker 1: Saints are one of those teams that had me scratching
Speaker 1: my head a little. I kind of agree with and
Speaker 1: you know, I'm from New Orleans, but and I don't
Speaker 1: follow with the Saint. I don't have time if you're
Speaker 1: gonna see him next year. I don't love the Pete pick.
Speaker 1: I don't love the Stefan Anthony pick. I don't like
Speaker 1: the Garrett Grayson pick because I think it's the same
Speaker 1: thing as Tony Romo here, you're trying to win. Now,
Speaker 1: I do really like, um they got PJ. Williams and Kikaha. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I like both of those picks. Can Rush. I like,
Speaker 1: he's gonna fit good. The Saints have taken They've made
Speaker 1: a selection. They've taken Marcus Murphy, a running back from Missouri.
Speaker 1: So they grab another offensive player here, uh to help
Speaker 1: with their uh with things there at the running back situation.
Speaker 1: They let Peter Thomas go this past springs, which I
Speaker 1: mean not that you're expecting your seventh round pick two
Speaker 1: and really catch on, but we'll see. And here is
Speaker 1: a the next pick. Now this is how about this
Speaker 1: one for the this pick today, this pick or for overall.
Speaker 1: This is pick two thirty one. This pick started off
Speaker 1: originally in Tampa. It's gone. It's from Miami through Baltimore
Speaker 1: and Detroit, and now it's back at Tampa. That goes
Speaker 1: the list of more. Thing is like they made that
Speaker 1: trade two years ago. It's crazy, you know how something
Speaker 1: that Yeah, it's a it's crazy how these picks kind
Speaker 1: of you know, like, how did we even get this thing? Yeah?
Speaker 1: I thought that that was what the pick was for
Speaker 1: so so yeah, so this this will be the Tampa
Speaker 1: Bay Buccaneers are on the clock here again. Pick two
Speaker 1: thirty was made Marcus Murphy from the from Missouri. The
Speaker 1: running back goes of the Saints. We're waiting here on
Speaker 1: pick two thirty one. Uh. They still have names on
Speaker 1: their board. Uh to draft, even though they to say
Speaker 1: a phrase from Bill parcels, this looks like a Thanksgiving
Speaker 1: Day turkey. About two days later, here's it's nothing but
Speaker 1: bones and skin and interesting question though, and especially given
Speaker 1: what the Cowboys have done so far? Are there any
Speaker 1: guys I can think of one? Are there any guys
Speaker 1: that took thirty visits that are still on the board,
Speaker 1: because I mean, by and large, most of their picks
Speaker 1: so far have been guys that came into Valley Ranch.
Speaker 1: I don't think Ryan Russell did, No, he did not,
Speaker 1: but the other ones all did. Yeah, I mean Gregory
Speaker 1: did Ryan Russell say that he did come to because
Speaker 1: they worked him out in West Laffe. Yet maybe he
Speaker 1: might have snug. He might he might have he might
Speaker 1: have snow, he might have snuck. What's that kend He
Speaker 1: came down after Ben Bloom went up there, and I
Speaker 1: don't think he was an official national visit. He might
Speaker 1: have been a he might have been a Dallas Day
Speaker 1: Guallas Day. Yeah, Dallas Day guys, which I mean and
Speaker 1: you can bring in a lot more of those guys.
Speaker 1: So that's a different animal. But absolutely, absolutely so. But
Speaker 1: is there anybody on the board that took a visit
Speaker 1: like that that's still out there? Well, how about Farmer?
Speaker 1: That's that's the one that Yeah, George Farmer from USC
Speaker 1: would be a guy that we Yeah, I'm kind of
Speaker 1: I'm I'm keeping an eye on George Farmer right now.
Speaker 1: He fills the need that they have, and you know
Speaker 1: he was here, so we've talked. Definitely something worth keeping
Speaker 1: an eye on. Okay, let's see Tampa Bay still on
Speaker 1: the clock here waiting for their pick at two thirty one.
Speaker 1: You make a great point, though, Dave, about like the
Speaker 1: Dallas Day guys and stuff like that. I mean, it's
Speaker 1: I mean, I don't want to call it. I don't
Speaker 1: want to call it cheating. It's not like they're breaking
Speaker 1: any rules, but it's such an advantage for the cowboys.
Speaker 1: And actually Philly tried to get this rule change because
Speaker 1: you can, I mean, these these local visit days. You
Speaker 1: can bring in anyone that lives within a hundred miles
Speaker 1: of your facility. So, I mean, you think about all
Speaker 1: the talented football players I live in North Texas. That's
Speaker 1: I mean. Jaygie was here on Dallas Day and didn't
Speaker 1: count toward the National thirty visits because it's a Dallas
Speaker 1: Day product prospect. Even though he might have been one
Speaker 1: of the top guys on their board, that doesn't count
Speaker 1: against the tally. And maybe, you know, maybe bringing in
Speaker 1: Jaygie out as part of Dallas Day allowed them to
Speaker 1: bring in Damien Wilson instead, you know. So it's a
Speaker 1: tremendous advantage that that this is such a talent rich
Speaker 1: area of the country, for sure. Absolutely. And the Buccaneers
Speaker 1: have taken running back from Hawaii. Uh, Joey from the
Speaker 1: University of y I don't know, is that that the
Speaker 1: first University of Hawaii player that we've had selected? Are
Speaker 1: I know we had we had a quarterback selected that
Speaker 1: was in Hawaii. Oh, I thought you were gonna say
Speaker 1: Timmy Chang. Yeah, Marcus Mariota at the back. And they're
Speaker 1: showing it. It's great. They're showing a looks like to me,
Speaker 1: some our favorite City, London, England. Uh, maybe this is
Speaker 1: gonna be a pick. Let's see who is on the
Speaker 1: clock they're gonna make well, maybe not. They're just kind
Speaker 1: of bouncing around from draft to draft wherever all the
Speaker 1: cities are. I was hoping Lauren draper Wood was gonna
Speaker 1: make the pick. Yeah. I was hoping so too. That
Speaker 1: would have been very nice of her to see. If
Speaker 1: she's still listening, I shouted her out. Oh she she's listening.
Speaker 1: I am very These folks are not going to give
Speaker 1: up there. They are the toughest. They they they they
Speaker 1: love their football team, they love all the thing the NFL,
Speaker 1: and you know, shout out to all of them because
Speaker 1: we all love them as well, shout out out. So yeah,
Speaker 1: this will be a This is gonna be the Minnesota Vikings.
Speaker 1: His pick is from San Francisco through Miami. Uh, it's
Speaker 1: picked two thirty two. Uh. They were talking Dallas again
Speaker 1: once again at two thirty six. Uh, it looks like
Speaker 1: the board from what I've got left, I've got the
Speaker 1: whole kid, I think again, probably have him overrated. H
Speaker 1: as far as where hell Hull Hull, Hull, Mike Hall. Yeah,
Speaker 1: really tough. I talked to Sean Lee about this kid.
Speaker 1: I talked to this kid a lot. Okay, Yeah, so
Speaker 1: it's you know, he Sean's like he couldn't And Sean
Speaker 1: is very one of those guys when you visit with
Speaker 1: him about players or former players where he he's very
Speaker 1: honest about you know, he's talk he talks about this
Speaker 1: kid about football intelligence. You know, high motor guy, always
Speaker 1: around the football. I mean, you watch some of those
Speaker 1: games he played. This Sean Lee is just a fun
Speaker 1: guy to talk for. Yeah, but Sean Lee, Yeah, generally
Speaker 1: just talking football with him is great. And uh so
Speaker 1: you know he was telling me about this kid, goes, hey,
Speaker 1: this kid is really really the football intelligence. You know,
Speaker 1: you see him how he played, and he's right on tape.
Speaker 1: Uh He's he's one of those guys. And I had him.
Speaker 1: I had him in the fourth round obviously, and so
Speaker 1: you know, I'd like to see somebody select him. But
Speaker 1: I think you keep an eye on him as a
Speaker 1: player if he doesn't get select and goes to a
Speaker 1: team one day, you know, watch this kid, uh Hall
Speaker 1: from Penn State. So um to Penn State. Come to
Speaker 1: Penn State. Remember that commercial from a while ago. But
Speaker 1: Joe was a deal is Joe Paternoore was like the
Speaker 1: Big ten, the Big Tig ten commercials. He's like, yeah,
Speaker 1: I love that commercial. Yeah. Okay, Berry player drafted. Yeah,
Speaker 1: linebacker Edmund Robins Evan, do you know much about emand Robinson?
Speaker 1: First Newberry player drafted since nineteen seventy four. Okay, here
Speaker 1: we go. We got room, we got war room. Jerry's back. See,
Speaker 1: everybody's over conjugated by the board, by the over two.
Speaker 1: As you look at the screen over to the right
Speaker 1: side of the screen where Stephen Jones and Tom Saskowski
Speaker 1: are standing, it looks like to me, you got Derek
Speaker 1: Dooley's now in the room. So Derek Dooley is bringing
Speaker 1: on my dude. Here we go, Derek Dooley, I guarantee
Speaker 1: you right now, he is trying to figure out between
Speaker 1: Lewis McBride, Whitehead Farmer. He wants one of those guys
Speaker 1: they're trying and maybe even go back to back here
Speaker 1: he's trying to he's trying to get Will McClay standing
Speaker 1: in the background, hands in pockets. He's kind of They're
Speaker 1: just like, all right, Derek, calm down, we're gonna get
Speaker 1: your receiver. Just don't kill us. Yeah. Tom Saskowski over
Speaker 1: there to the right as well. So again, Edmund Robinson,
Speaker 1: you talked about new bra I'm sorry I interrupt you there.
Speaker 1: When I saw the warm camps go in no a
Speaker 1: small school player and you just look at him. He
Speaker 1: just he's physically impressive six two and a half to
Speaker 1: forty five, thirty four inch arms, four six one forty
Speaker 1: yard dash, So I think he checks a lot of boxes,
Speaker 1: physically very range player, but he's still just scratching the
Speaker 1: surface of who he's going to be down the road. Um,
Speaker 1: Niedzo do a better job working off blocks, Yeah, using
Speaker 1: that funk that length to be functional length and using
Speaker 1: his hands well to get off blocks. Ya. Y'all got
Speaker 1: an opinion on de Andrew White Alabama Alabama. I thought,
Speaker 1: you know, with obviously with Amari Cooper getting so much attention,
Speaker 1: you're going to get some looks. And I thought the
Speaker 1: Andrew White did a nice job as the second receiver
Speaker 1: for UH for the Tide a player that you know,
Speaker 1: he ran better at his pro day than I thought
Speaker 1: he played. But he has a few more drops than
Speaker 1: you'd like to see, but his catches, his highlights are
Speaker 1: their highlights. I mean, he makes some impressive catches playing
Speaker 1: opposite opposite Cooper, so I gave him a draft Bill
Speaker 1: grade as a later round guy. Um and at this point,
Speaker 1: wouldn't shock me if they go that direction between between
Speaker 1: the five of us here that did mocks on on
Speaker 1: Thursday morning for DC dot com. Uh, Brian took Lucky
Speaker 1: y'all took Lucky Whitehead. Brian took one. I mean one
Speaker 1: took him to thirty six and one took him to
Speaker 1: forty three. I took George Farmer and Rob Phillips took
Speaker 1: the Andrew White So kind of like our odds of
Speaker 1: hitting on one of these guys. My pick of two
Speaker 1: forty four was the guy the Patriots took at sixty four.
Speaker 1: I had Damian Yeah, Nick had JJ Nelson coming off
Speaker 1: the board last, and he's been gone for a while now.
Speaker 1: Um See, the Buffalo Bills just took a wide receiver
Speaker 1: that Dane. I didn't even I didn't even realize Dane
Speaker 1: hit on Damian Wilson. Wait, you had him in the fifth.
Speaker 1: They took him in the fourth. Still, good job. I
Speaker 1: mean Bryan hit on Gregory Jazz Green, Dane hit on
Speaker 1: and Wilson. Yes, it was I giving you grief a
Speaker 1: little bit. I hit on deserve a little grief. Yeah,
Speaker 1: we all do. We all deserve a little grief. You know,
Speaker 1: when you're a draft expert, you gotta be a draft expert. Right,
Speaker 1: there's no such thing as Nick Nick Knicks mock draft
Speaker 1: is just oh so close. He had Shack Thompson, which
Speaker 1: could have been could have very well been the pick.
Speaker 1: Yet he had David Johnson, which I think would have
Speaker 1: been in consideration if he had lasted. And um and
Speaker 1: Frank Clark, who obviously the Seahawks took him a lot
Speaker 1: higher than the Cowboys might have. Yeah. Well, we talked
Speaker 1: about the receivers too, and now and and oh and
Speaker 1: and and Rob excuse me, Rob Phillips hit on Byron
Speaker 1: Jones that on that on the nail with the number one,
Speaker 1: and that's what you gotta do. Gott hit him that
Speaker 1: first one. Okay. We talked about Buffalo took Uh took
Speaker 1: Desmond Lewis Uh, the wide receiver from Central Arkansas. Great field,
Speaker 1: by the way, that was the guy. That's yeah, that's
Speaker 1: the guy with They had the field. It has every
Speaker 1: five yards, it's a purple a purple or a guy.
Speaker 1: I mean, it's really really make me nauseous. It's it
Speaker 1: can It's not as bad as the red turf up
Speaker 1: at East. How do they allow that? Yeah? Or the
Speaker 1: blue turft Uh, that's yeah, the blue is at least
Speaker 1: the blue is kind of iconic. Desmond Lewis is the
Speaker 1: perfect seventh round pick. Yeah, I think, guy, you thought
Speaker 1: maybe in the middle rounds, he's available in the seventh
Speaker 1: take a chance on the player. The film's not bad,
Speaker 1: I mean, yeah, exactly, and you love you look at
Speaker 1: I mean six four, two fifteen. He's built well, yeah,
Speaker 1: has some room to even get bigger and fill out.
Speaker 1: The production is there at Central Arkansas he finished with
Speaker 1: almost two hundred catches. He was there starting ex receiver
Speaker 1: and a guy that needs him polish. But at the
Speaker 1: same time, the foundation traits are there, and so we
Speaker 1: talk about the traits. It's there with him. Love is
Speaker 1: catching radius. I think that's a big part of his
Speaker 1: game and something that will help him develop into something
Speaker 1: more than just a lowly seventh round pick. Well, the
Speaker 1: Houston Texans are currently on the clock at two thirty five,
Speaker 1: about a minute left with their selection, you know, and
Speaker 1: then Dallas will go on the clock. They're having this
Speaker 1: discussion right now when you have picks that are pretty
Speaker 1: close to each other, which direction, who is most Like
Speaker 1: I've been in these conversations before, who is the guy
Speaker 1: that's most likely to be there? And they if they could,
Speaker 1: if they could stretch it to that last pick. So
Speaker 1: they're trying to agree here who they need to take
Speaker 1: first and then who they need to take second. Derek
Speaker 1: Dooley has, in fact sitting down at the table. I
Speaker 1: think I think it's gonna be farmer. I'm only saying
Speaker 1: that because I mocked him and I wanted to happen.
Speaker 1: But I just just got a question about um Nick Marshall,
Speaker 1: the Auburn quarterback, that I'm surprised that he is still available.
Speaker 1: We talk about the traits, you know, seventh round is
Speaker 1: it bad and the senior ball playing some corner players
Speaker 1: has no idea what he's doing. You threw them out there.
Speaker 1: I mean, that's that's that's what we're talking about in
Speaker 1: the seventh round, the developmental type that maybe you take
Speaker 1: a chance on. You know, it's low risk, possible, high reward. Yeah,
Speaker 1: surprise he's still available. Yeah, that's that that is as
Speaker 1: a case, you're absolutely right about the now Matt. Now
Speaker 1: Matt has joined the Fray. So now you're wait a second, No, no,
Speaker 1: stop with the receiver talk get more back. Okay the Cowboys,
Speaker 1: will you get out of here? The Cowboys are officially
Speaker 1: on the Clyde Houston made their selection, yet I don't
Speaker 1: don't see a name. Yeah, I think we need to
Speaker 1: wait Houston. It might be out on the Twitter sphere somewhere. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you need to figure this out. And but if Houston
Speaker 1: in factors make it their pick, that would put Dallas
Speaker 1: on the clock. Okay, the picks in. So if the
Speaker 1: picks in, then Dallas will be on the clock. Uh.
Speaker 1: And let's see who the Houston Texans in fact grabbed. Okay,
Speaker 1: it looks like they're gonna take Kenny Hilliard are running
Speaker 1: back from bump. There we go. Surprise you went ahead
Speaker 1: of John Nelson in Liverpool's happy too, because he likes
Speaker 1: when LSU players get drafted as well. I don't know.
Speaker 1: I think I like. I think Kenny's got more upside
Speaker 1: than McGee. Although I could see McGee being a really
Speaker 1: good special teams player, I can't see that they were
Speaker 1: both guys Dallas. I'm pretty surprise either one of the
Speaker 1: Dallas is now on the clock. Boys, you got a
Speaker 1: selection here you want to talk about I already threw
Speaker 1: my hat in the ring for Georgie. Okay, this is
Speaker 1: gonna be picked two thirty six. This is the first
Speaker 1: I mean we got We have two position coaches in
Speaker 1: the rooms. So you got a linebacker coach and a
Speaker 1: receivers coach talking Lucky Whitehead, I mean, okay, Thompson scouts.
Speaker 1: He's gone onto the phone, so let's see what we've
Speaker 1: got here. Build a creaker in the back. He's a
Speaker 1: scout that there's working on free agents. You could tell
Speaker 1: that list that he has in hand. They're working on.
Speaker 1: They're trying to make sure that they and the phone
Speaker 1: goes across to Jerry Jones. But like I said, Billy
Speaker 1: the craker as a scout and he's working with one
Speaker 1: of the coaches. The scouts are signed to one of
Speaker 1: the coaches to work in free agency to help recruit
Speaker 1: these players. So uh, let's see who in fact that
Speaker 1: they do select here. Uh, you know they could they
Speaker 1: they've gone defense the whole time. I mean defense, what
Speaker 1: I I mean we're talking we're quibbling here over seventh
Speaker 1: round picks. But go get this. Go get your kick returner, guy,
Speaker 1: go get your receiver. Well, they might, like I say,
Speaker 1: it might be a situation where they go one over
Speaker 1: the up. I mean they no, no, yeah, I mean
Speaker 1: you got trying to figure out but they're trying to
Speaker 1: figure out where there's more likely to last. Yeah, who's
Speaker 1: more likely to last? So that with the with the
Speaker 1: picks back to act like that, Uh, you know you
Speaker 1: need to you need to figure this out and and
Speaker 1: and say, Okay, which guy's more likely to be there
Speaker 1: than than not? So shout out Jason Garrett for rocking
Speaker 1: a code and tie all the way through this marathon. Brian,
Speaker 1: you're wearing a tie. Good for you. Yeah, well, I've
Speaker 1: got to do some TV stuff. Okay, the picks in
Speaker 1: for the Dallas Cowboys, and let's see who in fact,
Speaker 1: oh oh, we have talked about. Yeah, the linebacker from
Speaker 1: my from Wyoming is in fact the selection here. All right,
Speaker 1: help me on this name Dane. It rhymes with gotcha. Okay,
Speaker 1: so that doesn't help much, doesn't Yeah? Yeah, in silent,
Speaker 1: I believe on this day because you got all the things.
Speaker 1: I'm pretty sure it's Mark Mark Zacha. Yeah. Well, well
Speaker 1: it rhymes with gotcha. I know that. Yeah, well, I
Speaker 1: know you do all your stuff for your for your
Speaker 1: book and stuff like that. So right, Well, and he
Speaker 1: was a player that I gave a p F A
Speaker 1: grade to. Uh. He's athletic towards ACL. I got the
Speaker 1: pronunciation for us okayza. That sounds right in Zachai. So
Speaker 1: he towards ACL in twenty fourteen or twenty twenty fourteen. Yeah,
Speaker 1: San vers San Jose State, And I'm looking over my
Speaker 1: notes on the player against Michigan State. Aggressively takes on blocks.
Speaker 1: A good athlete with range speed in pursuit, too often
Speaker 1: find himselfs stuck in the middle of the field, worry
Speaker 1: about his anticipation, takes himself out of some plays. Uh
Speaker 1: struggles to see every blocker, which impedes him in the
Speaker 1: middle of the field. Needs to improve his spatial awareness. Um.
Speaker 1: Sometimes he looks like he's playing two in touch. But
Speaker 1: an overall a very good athlete, and I think that's
Speaker 1: why he was drafted here and why you feel good
Speaker 1: about him on special teams. I felt like, though, that
Speaker 1: this guy could flow to the ball. I thought he
Speaker 1: can avoid blocks, play down hill quickly, nose for the ball,
Speaker 1: needs to be on the move. Again, there's times when
Speaker 1: he got hooked up. This guy runs four five six,
Speaker 1: you know, but he's six two athlete. Yea, yeah, he's
Speaker 1: he's six two, two hundred and thirty two pounds after
Speaker 1: to chase his outside place with some balance when going
Speaker 1: down the line. Trouble when he gets hooked up. I
Speaker 1: think Dane saw that as well. He could change the direction,
Speaker 1: take the back out of the backfield. So that's some
Speaker 1: of the coverage things I was able to see. Puts
Speaker 1: himself in position to cover. I think one time I
Speaker 1: ran there was a wheel route that went up the
Speaker 1: sidelines and he was able to run with This guy.
Speaker 1: Watched the Michigan State game in the Oregon game, so
Speaker 1: I watched two teams that have guy, I mean the
Speaker 1: guys that can get especially Oregon going up field. I said,
Speaker 1: I like the way he flies to the ball, plays
Speaker 1: with pace and quickness. It could see him being a
Speaker 1: core special teamer and a backup will linebacker, was what
Speaker 1: I thought about this guy. Basachi was in there, so yeah,
Speaker 1: this is what they're doing in Zacha right in Zacha,
Speaker 1: is what this mark in Zacha linebacker from Wyoming my
Speaker 1: Sky report. Again, Dane had his as well. Dane's right.
Speaker 1: He had an ACL tear in the seventh game of
Speaker 1: the twenty fourteen se San Jose. Yeah, when we when
Speaker 1: I mean and again we know too is the same.
Speaker 1: But when when do we make that timetable? Then? Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's a question that needs to be asked. It doesn't
Speaker 1: sound like a guy who can take the field. Yeah,
Speaker 1: well maybe if we if we get a chance to
Speaker 1: interview him here and then you know, and and and
Speaker 1: uh and see how that is uh coming forward. But
Speaker 1: now kay, they've got another pick uh coming up here.
Speaker 1: They took with us sounded what I feel like as
Speaker 1: a backup will linebacker and special teams guy. Again, you're
Speaker 1: looking for traits. Dany talks about a guy that can run.
Speaker 1: I see that their activity this this afternoon does not
Speaker 1: make you feel good for Cameron Lawrence, does it. No,
Speaker 1: it really hasn't. It really hasn't. So you know, he
Speaker 1: kind of I mean, he was kind of that guy.
Speaker 1: You know, he's your he's your last ditch depth at
Speaker 1: linebacker and all obviously a special teams guy. Uh. And
Speaker 1: they have drafted two guys that kind of fit that description. Today,
Speaker 1: so many linebackers. Oh my gosh, I think there's fourteen
Speaker 1: on the roster now, it's it's it's going to be
Speaker 1: a free for all when we get out to Hawksnard. Well,
Speaker 1: that's you know, it's again it's about now trying to
Speaker 1: help your special teams out and this this type of
Speaker 1: pick is a value pick because he wasn't even able
Speaker 1: to work out prior to the draft, and so you're
Speaker 1: going based off a tape. Did we mock him at
Speaker 1: one point when they're like the second mock? I think
Speaker 1: I think I hadn't. Think we've definitely talked about him. Yeah,
Speaker 1: they're showing some highlights right now. He can play. He's rangy.
Speaker 1: You see him play all over the field. I think
Speaker 1: he does aggressively take on blocks, but I do worry
Speaker 1: about him necessarily seeing the blocks. I thought he had
Speaker 1: to go on the move. I like what you're talking
Speaker 1: about it again. Yeah, when you're talking about, you know,
Speaker 1: being on being on the move and all that, I
Speaker 1: I agree with you on that. I do agree. I
Speaker 1: think that you know, you you talk about taking on
Speaker 1: and stuff like that, you would have told me I
Speaker 1: didn't even really Okay, uh in Za he's reading this
Speaker 1: on Twitter. He's also from Germany. Yes, okay, okay, so
Speaker 1: it's very nice, interesting on several levels. Okay. The Cincinnati Bengals,
Speaker 1: they just at two twenty or two two thirty eight.
Speaker 1: They took West Virginia wide receiver Mario Alford. We talked
Speaker 1: about him earlier, had more touchdowns this year, thank Kevin White.
Speaker 1: A little overshadowed by White, but he can fly. He
Speaker 1: can be a deep threat. Uh, smaller than you'd want.
Speaker 1: The catching radius is smaller, but uh, you got to
Speaker 1: catch him first. And so with Alford, I think you
Speaker 1: have a pretty good player. Bengals got excellent value there.
Speaker 1: Make more picks before Dallas. Dallas is down. Yeah, we're two.
Speaker 1: We're at two thirty nine here Pittsburgh Dallas is sitting
Speaker 1: at two forty three. So again, how how did they
Speaker 1: how they played this board? Had they gone they said, Okay,
Speaker 1: who's the guy that's most likely to be there, who's
Speaker 1: the guy that's most likely not to be there? I
Speaker 1: evidently thought that Mark Zacha would be in Zach's gonna
Speaker 1: be gonna drill this into you. I know Inzaza would
Speaker 1: be would be the guy. So you know that there's
Speaker 1: some interesting linebacker name still on the board with guys
Speaker 1: like Mike Hole and Taiwan Jones. Is he still out
Speaker 1: there in Michigan? Stay? Yeah, Tiwan Jones, I get you say,
Speaker 1: and then you trail. We talked about trail. I think
Speaker 1: the way that Derek well, Derek Dooley is now out
Speaker 1: of the room as actually Derek on second thought, please
Speaker 1: please leave. Yeah, we don't need you here. There's not
Speaker 1: going to be a receiver pick. Yeah, he could still
Speaker 1: be there. For all we know, we can really only
Speaker 1: see so much of the world. I wouldn't be surprised though,
Speaker 1: if this is okay, oh fine, here we go. Uh
Speaker 1: with the Steelers on the clock, let's see the picks
Speaker 1: in and I think that let's see who it's gonna
Speaker 1: be on the phone here. Yeah, we're on the phone. Yeah,
Speaker 1: exactly what Adam Kaplan is reporting that in Zacha had
Speaker 1: to work out last week, so he was able to
Speaker 1: work out draft right four five to forty yard dashed
Speaker 1: to eleven broad jump. So good a player where the
Speaker 1: measurables look good, the testing looks good. Guess I mean
Speaker 1: if he tour his ACL in October. That means it's
Speaker 1: been about seven months, which I mean you're talking about
Speaker 1: eight to nine for an ACL. So who knows. All Right,
Speaker 1: the Steelers have selected Drout Holloman, the man who I
Speaker 1: like to call the coward of this draft, and I think,
Speaker 1: but he's an NFL player now, so I shouldn't probably
Speaker 1: call him that anymore. Pittsburgh Pittsburgh did the NFL was
Speaker 1: too hand touched. He would be an all pro. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you know that. That's something really If you take one
Speaker 1: thing away from our coverage this weekend, it's that Brian
Speaker 1: and Dane don't like Holloman. Well, it's allergic to tackling,
Speaker 1: That's what I'm saying. Though. The problem, the problem I
Speaker 1: run into is initially this guy started off his first round.
Speaker 1: Everybody had him in the first round, had him if
Speaker 1: they saw the interception. Yeah, And that's what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: When you it's more than just going and being in
Speaker 1: the right place at the right time catching the tip ball.
Speaker 1: It's much more than that. This kid turned down tackles. Hey,
Speaker 1: and it made a business decision. How many picks did
Speaker 1: he have? Fourteen? Yeah, And let's so that everybody's on
Speaker 1: the phone here in the war room. I wonder going on. Yeah,
Speaker 1: they're all talking to guys that wonder if somebody's trying
Speaker 1: to give again next year's picks to be to for
Speaker 1: this for their pick. They're they're now laughing, They're gonna
Speaker 1: stand in there and make picks. You guys are just
Speaker 1: flipping them stuff just to have some fun here. But
Speaker 1: the Detroit Lions are now on the clock. Uh. And
Speaker 1: then and then you've got the Arizona Cardinals, the Carolina Panthers,
Speaker 1: and then your Dallas Cowboys. Uh, to finish out this round.
Speaker 1: Are just going to finish out the round with the Cowboys.
Speaker 1: And then it becomes we still got a lot of picks. Yeah,
Speaker 1: we got When the Cowboys make their pick, I'm probably
Speaker 1: gonna go help everybody. Well, Dana and I will, guys
Speaker 1: finish it out. We'll put this thing to bed and
Speaker 1: kind of do all those things that we have to do.
Speaker 1: So um or actually, do we know if Zacho or
Speaker 1: the other like, are we getting them on the air.
Speaker 1: I don't, I don't know. I don't get that impression. Okay, okay, yeah,
Speaker 1: is he coming to us after that? He's on the
Speaker 1: air right now. Oh, okay, Mark, Mark, Yeah, Hey, how's
Speaker 1: it going? All right? That'll work? Hey, Mark, This Brian
Speaker 1: broad Us, Dame Burglar, and David Hellman. Welcome to uh
Speaker 1: we we're covering the draft here. It's been kind of
Speaker 1: like a chaotic right now here at the Valley Ranch.
Speaker 1: But congratulations on your selection to the day else cow Wis.
Speaker 1: You've got to be really excited about the opportunity, uh
Speaker 1: to come here and to and to play in a
Speaker 1: scheme that really fits the type of player you were
Speaker 1: at at Wyoming. Yeah, sir, Yeah, definitely. First of all,
Speaker 1: I appreciate it, thanks uh having me on. Uh Yeah,
Speaker 1: super excited. I think that's a great fit for me.
Speaker 1: Like you said, yeah, I can't wait to go to work. Mark,
Speaker 1: I gotta hit you with a hard hitting question here
Speaker 1: right off the bat. Does how does a guy from
Speaker 1: Germany wind up in Laramie, Wyoming. I'm curious? I see,
Speaker 1: UH started playing over in Germany. I only came over
Speaker 1: here four years ago. So I started playing call um
Speaker 1: football in America only four years ago. So um I
Speaker 1: got the connection going with a former teammate who also
Speaker 1: he was from Germany. He played at Wyoming through a
Speaker 1: former culture his and yeah, he got the connection going
Speaker 1: with the coaches for me. Showed him my tape and everything,
Speaker 1: and they really like what they saw. And yeah, I
Speaker 1: took that opportunity. And Mark, obviously it's tough to suffer
Speaker 1: an injury like you did your senior year. Talk about uh,
Speaker 1: you know, overcoming that obstacle and you know, doing enough
Speaker 1: during your your the pre draft process to convince teams
Speaker 1: that you know you're worth taking chance on. Um. You know,
Speaker 1: obviously it was a tough situation, you know, but I
Speaker 1: did have a like starting support system, you know, Karent
Speaker 1: taught me all, you know, as well as my girlfriend,
Speaker 1: you know, the team, you know, a team as well.
Speaker 1: So um, it was definitely, uh, very disappointed when it happened,
Speaker 1: but you know I do, like you know, with the
Speaker 1: help of them. Um, I fought through that adversity, you know,
Speaker 1: and you know came back, uh you know, fairly ahead
Speaker 1: of schedule, and you know, like you said, to do
Speaker 1: enough to get picked up at accomplice, Mark, you came.
Speaker 1: You're one of the visits that came to Doubt, So
Speaker 1: you got to come here and see the coaches and
Speaker 1: all that meat. Can you talk about the you know,
Speaker 1: the opportunity to sit down with Matt even Flus and
Speaker 1: then with Rod and Marnelli and all them, and and
Speaker 1: just some of the discussions that they had with you
Speaker 1: and how they see your role you know now that
Speaker 1: you're you're with the Dallas Cowboys. I mean the first
Speaker 1: of all, you know, Dallas is a great organization, you know,
Speaker 1: and so I had great conversation with like from Jerry Jones,
Speaker 1: um with as well as the other had coach the
Speaker 1: other coaches and coach uh right, definitely Uh told me
Speaker 1: that I'll hit that system great, you know after watching
Speaker 1: some FilmOn them, I believe I do. You know, they're
Speaker 1: very like speed oriented, you know, that's what I you know,
Speaker 1: mode my game after as well as you know, I
Speaker 1: talked to the SCUTCHI teams coordinated as well. Yeah, and
Speaker 1: uh that's definitely a big aspect of my game as well.
Speaker 1: You know. Just um that's definitely something I take Friday.
Speaker 1: So just from that that aspect, you know, off it's
Speaker 1: really rel Mark, just one more before we let you go.
Speaker 1: But I think we've I think we got to handle
Speaker 1: on it. But no better person to hear it from
Speaker 1: than you can. We get a pronunciation on your last name,
Speaker 1: just for for Cowboys fans to get your there we go,
Speaker 1: all right, you heard it straight from him, real good
Speaker 1: well type promise you, we'll do, We'll be, we'll be.
Speaker 1: We will spread the word for you here on Dallas
Speaker 1: Cowboys dot com. We'll spread the word for you on
Speaker 1: that on your last name, so everybody will have you, right.
Speaker 1: I promise you one thing about this city. You come
Speaker 1: in here and make a bunch of plays. They will
Speaker 1: they will learn your name very quickly, and then you
Speaker 1: will see your last name on the back of jerseys
Speaker 1: of the fans. How about that. Oh okay, thank you
Speaker 1: very much, Thanks, thank you, Mark, appreciate you all right.
Speaker 1: Mark Zacha from the from Ursia, Wyoming. He is the
Speaker 1: Zacha from the from the I told you, I'll eventually,
Speaker 1: I'll learn it one day, work on it. I got you.
Speaker 1: We work on okay. So it was very nice to
Speaker 1: hear him. He talked about special team stuff. I think
Speaker 1: that's what you have to look at him his as well.
Speaker 1: Uh and for him uh to come here and be
Speaker 1: a part of what they're doing here with the Dallas Skyway.
Speaker 1: So uh, let's see here we're looking once again in
Speaker 1: the war room. Uh, the I just want to point
Speaker 1: out a pick, uh two forty one. The talk about names, Dane,
Speaker 1: you're great at names. Our lad from uh Oregon was
Speaker 1: selected here at the cornerback. Yes he was good for
Speaker 1: him by the Arizona, by the by the Arizona for heaving.
Speaker 1: Actually he was selected by the Cleveland Browns. My bad.
Speaker 1: Oh wow, great, that's I mean, we talk about how
Speaker 1: heartbreaking is for some of these players. Um, for Efo Ariola,
Speaker 1: that's great that he's uh, he's able to be a
Speaker 1: draft pick, someone that would have been a first round
Speaker 1: pick most likely if not for the ACL injury, the
Speaker 1: knee issue that he's suffered before the Rose Bowl. Um,
Speaker 1: you see him has the cover technique that you want,
Speaker 1: the fluidity. Uh, he can fit as a nickel complained
Speaker 1: on the outside. You think he might even be able
Speaker 1: to play some safety. And so the big thing for
Speaker 1: him now is coming back from that injury working back
Speaker 1: onto the field. Probably takes a redshirt season this year
Speaker 1: as a as a rookie in the NFL. But in
Speaker 1: the seventh round, why not take him. See if you
Speaker 1: can develop him, see if you can get that knee right,
Speaker 1: and see if it pays off for the Cleveland Browns. Okay,
Speaker 1: the pick is that, Well, it looks like to me
Speaker 1: that the Cowboys are on the clock right now at
Speaker 1: two forty three, So let's in fact and see what's
Speaker 1: going on. The picks that happened ahead of them would
Speaker 1: be the Oakland Raiders taking Dexter McDonald, the defensive back
Speaker 1: from Kansas, and then that would now mean that the
Speaker 1: Dallas Cowboys are in fact on the clock. That pick
Speaker 1: from the Raiders was actually made from Carolina, so they
Speaker 1: are on the clock. It will see how that all
Speaker 1: plays out. But it looks like to me we're very
Speaker 1: much into the Cowboys trying to slick guys with some traits.
Speaker 1: You know, could they go uh offensive lineman here. I
Speaker 1: mean we've talked about We've talked about receivers, We've talked
Speaker 1: about a lot of it. I mean, he's I think
Speaker 1: the offensive linemen are the hardest to find. I think
Speaker 1: that's the hardest group to to try. And do you
Speaker 1: know when you started talking about battling and free agency,
Speaker 1: I think somebody brought that up, you know, I think
Speaker 1: that one of us was talking about do you want
Speaker 1: to you want to battle somebody else? In free agency
Speaker 1: for an offensive lineman, and you know, may I don't
Speaker 1: know receiver, offensive line. We talked about linebacker, We talked
Speaker 1: about running back. You know who would that be? Is
Speaker 1: there anybody that you particularly like that's left at any
Speaker 1: of these positions? I talked about Shed. Uh, you know,
Speaker 1: Gibson was a guy that I mean. I mean, I'm
Speaker 1: looking at my board right now, Guys, I've evaluated rawls,
Speaker 1: Shed Gibson. Whitehead speaking of Gibson, Oh he just okay, Hey,
Speaker 1: our seventh rone mock Gibson had We had that in
Speaker 1: our seventh round. Mack, there we go. I was set
Speaker 1: on it being farmer because I wanted to be right.
Speaker 1: Oh well, there we go. I didn't. I just was
Speaker 1: naming off names and all of a sudden, he goes up. Gibson,
Speaker 1: a offensive tackle from Virginia Tech, is the seventh round
Speaker 1: selection at pick two forty three value here in the
Speaker 1: seventh absolutely only started nineteen games over his career, but
Speaker 1: a player that you think his best football's ahead of him.
Speaker 1: He's gonna get better and better. H You see the coordination,
Speaker 1: You see his ability as both a pass protector and
Speaker 1: as a run blocker. He does a nice job with angles.
Speaker 1: He has range, and I think it's where where he
Speaker 1: got his opportunity. That's when he stepped up as a senior,
Speaker 1: got a chance to be the starting left tackle, started
Speaker 1: all thirteen games. Now, I think he does need time,
Speaker 1: he needs to work on his fundamentals, the functional power.
Speaker 1: But to me, I graded him as a practice squad
Speaker 1: candidate who you know, has some upside. I think he's
Speaker 1: probably a little a little bit more than that. He
Speaker 1: has a twenty four year old he's a little bit
Speaker 1: older than you want. But Lawrence Gibson nonetheless a good
Speaker 1: pick here. Can he play guard? Maybe? Maybe you know
Speaker 1: it's tough when you haven't seen him play. I'm not
Speaker 1: sure if they worked him out of guard or not.
Speaker 1: But only play tackle in college right tackle as a junior,
Speaker 1: left tackle as a senior. So he does a nice job.
Speaker 1: Again the coordination, Yeah, shuffle square, I mean, so you know,
Speaker 1: I think he could possibly do that. Yeah. I said
Speaker 1: this though, Dan and I totally agree with that. I
Speaker 1: said the position to stay in from his man. But
Speaker 1: I thought he lacked some upper body power, you know,
Speaker 1: and that's you know, and then function. But he can
Speaker 1: hold the whole guys in place. I think he had
Speaker 1: a little over extended at time. Very good with switch technique,
Speaker 1: stuff like that. He was aware the feet to get outside,
Speaker 1: initial quickness, you know, reach hook. Those are the things
Speaker 1: he can do. Can pull, get to the outside, come
Speaker 1: off the ball with some pop, stays with the blocks
Speaker 1: the outside, works to finish, you know, these are all trades.
Speaker 1: I saw that him going forward. I think that they
Speaker 1: said we'll get a little trouble in his set when
Speaker 1: his feet get too wide, and then that's what becomes
Speaker 1: a little bit over exten He has to be careful
Speaker 1: not to allow the man to get to his chest,
Speaker 1: but could quickly adjust on the move, nice slattle quickness.
Speaker 1: Wouldn't say he has great body control, but you don't
Speaker 1: see him on the ground. So and that would be
Speaker 1: Laurence Gibson's six six three h five five six six Yeah,
Speaker 1: well even more impressive over thirty five in charms too. Yeah,
Speaker 1: he can yeah, get get that extension and think what
Speaker 1: you're talking about with the past sets. You did see
Speaker 1: that with his eyes. I think I thought his eyes
Speaker 1: were all over the place at times. He needs to
Speaker 1: know learn some discipline there. But his first three seasons
Speaker 1: in Virginia Tech only twenty seven offensive snaps. So we're
Speaker 1: talking about a late bloomer. Played half the year last
Speaker 1: year as a junior, and then it was a starting
Speaker 1: left tackle as a senior. So a late bloomer didn't
Speaker 1: see a ton of time, only twenty seven combined snaps
Speaker 1: his first three seasons. But when he did find the field,
Speaker 1: he showed it some impressive flashes. You know, if we
Speaker 1: watched his highlight tape, you can put together some impressive plays. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and again I said it earlier about you know, you
Speaker 1: don't want to you don't want to find ways to uh,
Speaker 1: you know, guys like see you're looking at the trades.
Speaker 1: Stephen Jones is on the phone now, and and and
Speaker 1: the only reason I bring this up is I wonder
Speaker 1: if they're trying to get back into this round. I
Speaker 1: wonder if they're trying to flip a next year's, say,
Speaker 1: sixth round pick. Maybe they're just ordering some pizza, because well,
Speaker 1: they're looking. They're looking right now. Steven's looking back at
Speaker 1: the board and Todd Williams is standing to his left. Uh,
Speaker 1: they're trying to figure out a way. There is somebody
Speaker 1: they have in mind on that board that they would
Speaker 1: like to try and get. Uh. Frank Pollock steps in
Speaker 1: thanking Jason Garrett for Hey, I'll coach that kid up.
Speaker 1: He's got two ready. Let's look at preseason games. Talk
Speaker 1: about that, you got Green and then you've also know
Speaker 1: I mean, you know in Green and then also Gibson.
Speaker 1: You know, two guys that you'll see a lot in
Speaker 1: the preseason games in the second half. You know, those
Speaker 1: young guys. You can't have enough of those young guys
Speaker 1: you want to develop right there. So he's an older
Speaker 1: guy because he did go to Hardgrave Mill Terry Academy
Speaker 1: out of high school. That he went to Virginia Tech
Speaker 1: red shirt his first year, didn't see the field as
Speaker 1: a freshman or sophomore except just a few snaps, and
Speaker 1: then a junior year part time player, and then as
Speaker 1: senior full time starter at left tackle. Can I share
Speaker 1: my fun stat with y'all? Sure? Since drafting Mark Nizacha
Speaker 1: uh in Zacha Nizacha doesn't matter Inza, Cowboys have in
Speaker 1: addition to it out irritat. In addition to however many Americans,
Speaker 1: the Cowboys now have a German, a British Dutch international,
Speaker 1: and a Canadian talking three three foreign nationalities on the roster,
Speaker 1: a international team, not just Americans, world team world. McBride
Speaker 1: just came off the board of the Titans. Yeah, good
Speaker 1: to see that. Yeah. So the let's see the two Canadians.
Speaker 1: I forgot about LP Latiser, LP Lattiser. Did someone just
Speaker 1: make a mention to that as you as you did
Speaker 1: that wrongly? Okay, we look at the the let's see
Speaker 1: here this, Uh, the Colts had a pick at two
Speaker 1: forty four after Dallas pick, but that then they sent
Speaker 1: that pick to San Francisco. Uh, so that would be
Speaker 1: Trenton Brown, would be uh, the tackle from Florida would
Speaker 1: be that selection. And then after that you said the
Speaker 1: Tennessee Titans. Uh it took uh William and Mary's Trey McBride.
Speaker 1: So that's where we are right now with the with
Speaker 1: the draft, as we're winding down, getting into the level
Speaker 1: where you have compensatory picks, and those compensatory picks can't
Speaker 1: be traded. So what you're talking about is like Stephen Jones,
Speaker 1: Jerry Jones, guys like that, if they're diving on the
Speaker 1: phone right now to try and make something happen, they're
Speaker 1: running out of picks. In fact, to make that to
Speaker 1: get that done. Like, I'm sorry, I'm not to trivialize
Speaker 1: the hard work of running a draft board, but when
Speaker 1: you're this close to the end of the draft, is
Speaker 1: it really worth giving something up if there's a player
Speaker 1: you don't want to fight for in free agency? Yes,
Speaker 1: yes it is if you're better off draft of the
Speaker 1: guy next year six. Yeah, I know, well you just
Speaker 1: get You gave next year six to get Rolando McClain,
Speaker 1: which Lando mcclin was a top ten talent. There might
Speaker 1: be had a drastic, drastic knee. There might be a
Speaker 1: guy that they like. They might if you didn't like
Speaker 1: him enough to take him at two forty three, two
Speaker 1: hundred and forty three. Dallas is on the clock. As
Speaker 1: soon as I'll say it. Dallas is on the clock
Speaker 1: now here at two forty six. And let's see, they
Speaker 1: might have somebody in mind that the pick is in. Uh,
Speaker 1: let's see who in fact this might be. They must
Speaker 1: have gave up something on their board for for next
Speaker 1: year to get this done. Let's see if the when
Speaker 1: the name comes up, I'm waiting. Cowboys have traded Zach
Speaker 1: martin Cleveland in exchange for a seventh round pick. Could
Speaker 1: this be maybe Lucky Whitehead? Could this be uh that receiver?
Speaker 1: I mean that it could be Jeff Swamp the University
Speaker 1: of Texas. Wow, you know Jeff Swamp. I know he's
Speaker 1: a tight end. I was overly impressed, but hey, Jeff
Speaker 1: Swamp apparently see something in him. I can honestly say
Speaker 1: Jeff Swamp is not a guy that I have evaluated myself.
Speaker 1: So Dallas evidently gave up a pick in next year's
Speaker 1: draft for the opportunity to grab Jeff Swam at W
Speaker 1: S W A. I M. Whatever you say, guys, Jeff Swam,
Speaker 1: whatever you say, did you hear my notes on Jeff Swamp? Okay,
Speaker 1: inline backfield and there now and that would be they're
Speaker 1: officially out of business now now that ends the fight? Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: finish the fight. Athletic body control, Uh can make acrobat catches.
Speaker 1: He had a nice catch against West Virginia when the
Speaker 1: back of the end zone attacks it with his hands,
Speaker 1: kept his feet in bounds. Needs to work on his
Speaker 1: doing a better job blocking in space, a little too
Speaker 1: methodical and needs to just smash U. So it sounds
Speaker 1: like with with Swam a better uh better receiver than
Speaker 1: blocker at this point. But apparently they saw enough in
Speaker 1: him to go and get them. Yeah, they sure did. Well,
Speaker 1: what were the meashables you had on him, Dane, let
Speaker 1: me look that up. Okay, And while you do that,
Speaker 1: we the draft was but that was picked two forty six.
Speaker 1: That was a pick San Francisco from Indianapolis. So Dallas, oh,
Speaker 1: San Francisco. Something in next year's is not more than
Speaker 1: the seventh round pick. Although, and this is an easy
Speaker 1: pick to crack a joke about, you know, tight end,
Speaker 1: What are you doing with the tight end? They always
Speaker 1: draft tight end sixty four out and a half six
Speaker 1: four six four three okay, a six four and a
Speaker 1: half fifty two okay, four seven one forty yard dash okay,
Speaker 1: thirty five and thirty five and a half inch for
Speaker 1: ten to four broad, four five eight twenty yards shuttle
Speaker 1: and a seven two eight three cone. Okay. That was all.
Speaker 1: The Pro day was not a combine invite. Yeah, number
Speaker 1: eighty two for the longhornsh No. But what I was
Speaker 1: gonna say is it. I mean, tight end is like
Speaker 1: a bug a boo position for Cowboys fans because of
Speaker 1: how poorly it has worked out in previous drafts. But
Speaker 1: you know, James Hannah is about going to be a
Speaker 1: free agent at this time next year, he might not
Speaker 1: be on this team. And he's one of those guys
Speaker 1: we talked about earlier. His value does not show up
Speaker 1: on the stat sheet, So this makes sense and obvious.
Speaker 1: You know, Gavin Escobar, whatever he brings to the table,
Speaker 1: it's certainly not as a blocking tight end, the guy
Speaker 1: who can help you in the run game and in
Speaker 1: special teams and all that type of stuff. So it
Speaker 1: is it is a pick that that you can certainly
Speaker 1: justify in terms of looking ahead. Of course, he's got
Speaker 1: a In two years at Texas, he had thirteen catches,
Speaker 1: so and that's why you know a lot of people
Speaker 1: are a little surprised by this because he didn't see
Speaker 1: him a lot and it doesn't have the production he
Speaker 1: actually she started twenty two games, had thirteen catches, so
Speaker 1: eight more starts than he had catches in his career
Speaker 1: to only two years. Was a juco transfer for this team.
Speaker 1: As long as Jason Witten's here, I'm not looking for
Speaker 1: anybody else to be a pass catching tight end. I mean,
Speaker 1: James Hannah probably had Escobar. Is he doing it a lot. Well, no,
Speaker 1: I mean, I mean he's a young guy. No, I
Speaker 1: still have hope that Escobar can become something more. But
Speaker 1: I mean what it was his final tally last year
Speaker 1: was like one hundred and fifty yards, sixty five of
Speaker 1: those coming in one game against the Giants. It's funny, though,
Speaker 1: he's one of those guys. So if you always look
Speaker 1: at his catches have always been big catches. He's a
Speaker 1: great red zone target. Yeah. Honestly, much like Lance Dunbar,
Speaker 1: I put Gavin Escobar's lack of showing up more on
Speaker 1: the coaching staff than on him. Yeah, I don't think
Speaker 1: he's really getting the opportunity to. I mean, we saw
Speaker 1: what you could do against the Giants. Three catches, sixty
Speaker 1: five yards, two touchdowns. He told them. It's interesting, any
Speaker 1: I mean, this isn't about Gavin Escobar though, but I
Speaker 1: do think, you know, Jane, whatever becomes of James Hannah,
Speaker 1: I won't be surprised if he moves on, maybe to
Speaker 1: find a better opportunity because somebody's willing to give them
Speaker 1: more money. Um. So this is this is something to
Speaker 1: think about. This is a pick for the future and
Speaker 1: training camp and keeping your guys fresh and it's into
Speaker 1: that good blocking stuff. It's interesting because these two you
Speaker 1: talk about, and Zacha and Swam two players that tested
Speaker 1: really well. Yeah, the production's not there, there's not a lot,
Speaker 1: you know, a ton of tape um, you know, but
Speaker 1: they tested really well. And so I think that's that's
Speaker 1: an interesting thing we're seeing here late cowboys opting for
Speaker 1: guys that that you know, tested well. The numbers look good,
Speaker 1: and that's why you drafted them over what they showed
Speaker 1: on tape. Yeah, so we're now into Atlanta will have
Speaker 1: the last pick that can be traded, and then it
Speaker 1: becomes the compensatory phase where the Dallas Cowboys hope next
Speaker 1: year will have maybe some compensatory picks, you know, probably
Speaker 1: a seventh round or two, but hopefully more third, fourth
Speaker 1: round variety. Maybe that's why you make it trade, knowing
Speaker 1: that they've got some compensatory picks. If they give up
Speaker 1: a six round pick next year, maybe that's something that
Speaker 1: they're thinking about in the future. I mean, at the
Speaker 1: end of the it's not something worth getting been out
Speaker 1: of shape four, but it's certainly just you know, when
Speaker 1: you consider I mean, where was that pick that pick
Speaker 1: came in that pick was at two forty six, two four, one, two, three, four,
Speaker 1: five six, ten picks away from the end of the
Speaker 1: entire draft. Right, it seems a little silly that you
Speaker 1: have to make a trade to get that guy. But
Speaker 1: maybe they don't want to battle, and that's fine, that's fine.
Speaker 1: They get paid a lot more money than I do,
Speaker 1: to know a lot more than I do, so I'm
Speaker 1: gonna trust their judgment. But on the outside it it doesn't.
Speaker 1: It seems a little silly to me. But that's okay. Well,
Speaker 1: you just again, you don't want to fight, I know you.
Speaker 1: I mean, they might have it. They you know, they
Speaker 1: might have a deal where you know, they were in
Speaker 1: ten of getting this guy in free agency, and then
Speaker 1: all of a sudden it became, well, hey, how many
Speaker 1: how many teams are calling yet? Would it be I've
Speaker 1: talked to the Jets, talk to the Buccaneers, have talked
Speaker 1: to the Rams, and all of a sudden, You're like,
Speaker 1: wait a minute, this guy's talking to one hundred teams.
Speaker 1: If he's a blocking tight end and he went to Texas,
Speaker 1: shouldn't be that hard for a power run team from
Speaker 1: Dallas to get him to come up the road. No,
Speaker 1: you'd be surprised. Yeah, I know you'd be surprised. Rather,
Speaker 1: that's I keep I keep saying that to Seattle or
Speaker 1: but you also look at the situation. I mean, you
Speaker 1: gotta sell it too, you gotta say, just did sell it.
Speaker 1: It's right up the road, and they like to run
Speaker 1: the ball. NFC East approval rating right now, what's up
Speaker 1: Cowboys seventy seven percent approval rate? Oh well, the Giants
Speaker 1: are higher. But yeah, that's okay. But the giants get them.
Speaker 1: They're so high on flowers, flowers and um, they got
Speaker 1: oh diggy diggy, DIGGI diggy o digg oh diggie, you're
Speaker 1: so fine. No, it's the Vikings. And then just looking
Speaker 1: at the highest in the NFC. Uh in the Vikings
Speaker 1: at Trey Wayne. They're one of my quote unquote winners.
Speaker 1: Who else did they get? They got Dane him. You're
Speaker 1: getting the losers, right, I mean to what you would
Speaker 1: call the Saints and Saints and the Panthers, the two
Speaker 1: of my quote unquote losers and the other two looking
Speaker 1: like San Francisco and Saint Louis. So it's I love
Speaker 1: the instant reaction though, like we don't know nobody knows. Oh,
Speaker 1: I told you my story. I've told you one hundred times.
Speaker 1: You have. You've told me all your stories on hundred times,
Speaker 1: and you love every one of them. I love a
Speaker 1: few of them. You told me one. What's your favorite story?
Speaker 1: I tell you? Oh, God, I don't know. Is it clean? One? Uh?
Speaker 1: I'm trying to think. What's my favorite? My favorite the
Speaker 1: one about Stephen lunging across the table. WI. Yeah, it's
Speaker 1: pretty good. That was during the draft. The Peter King's
Speaker 1: story is pretty damn funny. Peter King. Peter King fell
Speaker 1: asleep and the I'll tell the story real quick. Peter King,
Speaker 1: he comes in, he's scouting us, he's checking out what
Speaker 1: it's like being a scout. So he's sitting in the
Speaker 1: draft room. Will we have really a nice place that
Speaker 1: serves great food here named Eddie Dean And I hope
Speaker 1: I'm not get in trouble for saying that, But Eddie
Speaker 1: Dean they bring this this big feast, and so Peter
Speaker 1: loads up on the the food. He comes in the
Speaker 1: draft room and immediately falls asleep. Like the lights are
Speaker 1: off and the cape is running and all that. And
Speaker 1: we're sitting there evaluating and and everybody knows that Peter's asleep,
Speaker 1: and so Jerry Jones, h lights come on and Peter,
Speaker 1: Jerry goes, Peter, what do you think about that player?
Speaker 1: He goes Jerry. I I can't tell anything about the player,
Speaker 1: but you got a damn good lunch here. So that's
Speaker 1: my Peter King's story for the day. But yeah, Peter
Speaker 1: was a lot of a lot of things that go
Speaker 1: on in the good old my story. I'm old, I'm old,
Speaker 1: You've got you've got a few that are worth hearing
Speaker 1: over and over again. I appreciate that's very kind of you. Uh,
Speaker 1: as we close this thing out or getting you know,
Speaker 1: we're out the compensatory phases of are we gonna get
Speaker 1: Lawrence Gibson on the flat about five minutes as well? Yeah,
Speaker 1: so as soon as kid's gonna cue me up on that.
Speaker 1: But you know, we talk about the next three picks
Speaker 1: or Denver, Denver, Denver. So they're lining them all up.
Speaker 1: Hope they make them all at once, come on, Denver.
Speaker 1: But uh, just impressions of you know, and we're we're
Speaker 1: a Dallas cowboy. I just want to put it, put
Speaker 1: a little bit of a bow on this and maybe
Speaker 1: I should do this at the end when we get
Speaker 1: done completely with the draft, but just what we've experienced
Speaker 1: in the draft shows, and then going through all the
Speaker 1: things and and then at the end with the Cowboys
Speaker 1: and stuff like that, and what they've done in the
Speaker 1: last three days. It's kind of ironic because they just
Speaker 1: traded up. They gave away a sixth round pick to
Speaker 1: get up and get it. They gave up something. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I think I read that it was a six Maybe
Speaker 1: it's not. Okay, they gave up something to go up
Speaker 1: and get this guy. Yeah, which is kind of ironic
Speaker 1: because I think the story of this draft has just
Speaker 1: been uh, is this Malcolm Brown? No, No, this is uh,
Speaker 1: this is the tech the Texas tied end. This is
Speaker 1: who Okay, Yeah, okay, there you go. They're gonna flip
Speaker 1: him doing bad radio here when we're talking about one
Speaker 1: of his thirteen catches. That's all right, looks athletic. I
Speaker 1: need to I need to sit down. And he's gonna
Speaker 1: need a new number. Yeah, he's wearing eighty two in
Speaker 1: this film. For those of you who aren't watching, that
Speaker 1: was the touchdown I was talking about it against West Virginia. Yeah,
Speaker 1: back of the end zone. It's it's funny is they
Speaker 1: traded up to get him, and which I mean, it's
Speaker 1: not a backbreaking trade. But the story of this draft
Speaker 1: has been just sitting put and letting you know the
Speaker 1: pryers come to you. I mean, we sweated through to
Speaker 1: twenty seven and got a great guy, and Byron Jones,
Speaker 1: they sweated through all the way to sixty and got
Speaker 1: one of the most intriguing talents in the entire draft.
Speaker 1: And Gregory, you play it cool. You don't reach for
Speaker 1: a running back or grab a running back or anything
Speaker 1: like that. And I mean, you know, the early report
Speaker 1: on Chaz Green is that he can be the swing
Speaker 1: tackle right away or maybe even play right tackle if
Speaker 1: something happens to Doug Free, which is I mean, that's
Speaker 1: what you want in a third round pick, is preferably
Speaker 1: a guy who you can plug right in. So I mean,
Speaker 1: I think all spring we talked about how late these
Speaker 1: picks were, you know, and how hard it was going
Speaker 1: to be to get the guys you wanted at the
Speaker 1: end of the round. But they certainly seem to make
Speaker 1: it work all the way through. Wouldn't you say, Yeah,
Speaker 1: I think the Dane go ahead. I'm gonna go ahead
Speaker 1: with your your thoughts on this well from the Cowboys,
Speaker 1: think what we're gonna hear the most about is the
Speaker 1: running back you know obviously, and that's I was going
Speaker 1: to get to that too. Every every every pick came
Speaker 1: and went no running back. And I think that's going
Speaker 1: to be the lasting impression for a lot of fans.
Speaker 1: And what's going to command the talk? Um, you know,
Speaker 1: on the outside looking in the running back position, you
Speaker 1: know what's what's it looked like moving forward? Will they
Speaker 1: pick anyone up? And as a priority free agent any
Speaker 1: of these running backs side or left? Maybe a Thomas
Speaker 1: Rawls that we've talked about one guys, um, But it
Speaker 1: tells you that they they stuck to their board and
Speaker 1: they didn't draft a running back necessarily over a player
Speaker 1: they had rated higher and talked about. In the third round. Uh,
Speaker 1: there was a first what three or four picks. Every
Speaker 1: single one of those picks was a top player on
Speaker 1: their board at that time. So you know it's uh
Speaker 1: time will tell if if it if it works out,
Speaker 1: and obviously they believe in this offensive line. Is this
Speaker 1: draft made, They're going to be made or broken by
Speaker 1: the pick with at sixty with Randy Gregory. I think
Speaker 1: it's easy to say that because that's going to receive
Speaker 1: a lot of the attention. I think that perception will
Speaker 1: be that. But I mean, I think it always starts
Speaker 1: and ends with your first round pick. I it does.
Speaker 1: I mean, but Byron Jones is twenty seven. Overall, you
Speaker 1: didn't move to get him. In a lot of ways,
Speaker 1: we traded up to get a corner. Yeah, I mean,
Speaker 1: this isn't Mo Clayborne where you gave up valuable picks
Speaker 1: to go get your guy. You're at the end of
Speaker 1: the draft. You're pretty much hand tied with what you
Speaker 1: can do, right, you pick your guy. If Byron Jones
Speaker 1: is a bust, I don't think anybody's gonna hold it
Speaker 1: against the Cowboys. But if Randy Gregory is a bust,
Speaker 1: it's gonna be a talking point for a long time.
Speaker 1: I think that's fair to say. Yeah, I agree with
Speaker 1: you on and I wonder you know, Jerry Jones Stephen
Speaker 1: Jones said from the beginning that running back was not
Speaker 1: a must, and they obviously meant it. They didn't even
Speaker 1: take one in the very last stages of the draft.
Speaker 1: Do you think that does that qualify as a gamble, like,
Speaker 1: are you taking a gamble that these guys are gonna
Speaker 1: work out? I just, I just, I mean, I think
Speaker 1: they obviously have. You know, I've talked all along. I
Speaker 1: didn't feel like that they had a great deal of confidence,
Speaker 1: and I don't think they still do in these backs
Speaker 1: and then and then this strange strategy, and it is
Speaker 1: a strange strategy, it is, and maybe things have changed.
Speaker 1: But the vibe that I was getting coming out of
Speaker 1: the meetings at the end of the season was that, Okay,
Speaker 1: what kind of confidence do we have in you know,
Speaker 1: Joseph Randal, What kind of confidence do we have in
Speaker 1: you know, Ryan Williams, you know? And I just didn't
Speaker 1: get that vibe. It was like, hey, talented players, but
Speaker 1: you know, come to work, be prepared, be ready to go.
Speaker 1: And you know, if if you listen to Jerry when
Speaker 1: he's on with you know, on the radio one oh
Speaker 1: five three, he's like, you know, he was talking, it
Speaker 1: was always about bringing up Joe Randall, Joe Randall, Joe Randall,
Speaker 1: when with Murray and then all of a sudden it
Speaker 1: became you didn't stop talking about Joseph Randall. And then
Speaker 1: I start thinking, well, wait a minute he's talking to
Speaker 1: the coaches, he's Jerry. This is Jerry now. And then
Speaker 1: they had the meeting with the coaches. Well, then all
Speaker 1: his his his thoughts change. You know, it wasn't about
Speaker 1: Joseph Randallimore. It wasn't about Ryan Williams. And that's when
Speaker 1: the depth of this draft the running back and that's
Speaker 1: why we all thought. You know, the fact that you
Speaker 1: know that they they they didn't have that confidence. You
Speaker 1: remember how into training camp and the early part of
Speaker 1: the season and even still today, Uh, you know the
Speaker 1: the you know, we talk about passing on Johnny Manziel
Speaker 1: to get Zach Martin and Jerry is still getting commended
Speaker 1: for having the discipline to do that. Right, I can
Speaker 1: see a scenario where, you know, if Ryan Williams or
Speaker 1: Joseph randall is halfway to a thousand yards in October
Speaker 1: next year, same thing happening. Hey, you didn't overreact, You
Speaker 1: trusted the guys on your roster, you didn't reach for
Speaker 1: a player, and look how it paid off. These guys
Speaker 1: rewarded you. You know what you're doing. Conversely, if the
Speaker 1: running game struggles next year, they're gonna take a lot
Speaker 1: of heat. It's not addressing that position. It's especially with
Speaker 1: all the studs that they had to choose from. That's
Speaker 1: what I'm saying. I think that's the thing that's real
Speaker 1: gonna be interesting is that you know, you led a
Speaker 1: back that had eighteen hundred yards walk and you replaced
Speaker 1: him with a back that that has talent but probably
Speaker 1: but the injury probably. And then and then you're going
Speaker 1: with the guys that are behind him, and so they're
Speaker 1: either it's it's gonna be I mean there, I don't
Speaker 1: think there's any middle ground when you decide not to
Speaker 1: address again. If you draft Jagie in the fourth, you
Speaker 1: know you did, you did your due diligence, You tried
Speaker 1: to upgrade the position. If it doesn't work out, it's
Speaker 1: hard to blame you too much. But by not addressing
Speaker 1: it at all, you're putting yourself in a situation where
Speaker 1: you're either gonna look really good or really bad. And
Speaker 1: you know, we're just it's a game of wait and see.
Speaker 1: So we're still waiting. We're told we're gonna get to
Speaker 1: Laurence Gips get that done for us here. So uh
Speaker 1: so there he is, Okay, Uh, Laurence, welcome to our show.
Speaker 1: It's Brian brought us from Dallas Cowboys dot Com. David
Speaker 1: Hellman and Dane Brugler. Congratulations on your selection to be
Speaker 1: a part of the Dallas Cowboys going forward here. Oh,
Speaker 1: thank you so much. Well and Lawrence with did you
Speaker 1: know did you have an opportunity, uh, you know with
Speaker 1: uh to meet with you know, the Cowboys at any
Speaker 1: point in time? Did you have any idea any conversations
Speaker 1: with the coaching staff Jerry jam in the front office.
Speaker 1: I know the scouts went through and saw you play
Speaker 1: there at Virginia Tech. We got a chance to see
Speaker 1: you play on tape. You know, we had a lot
Speaker 1: of really positive things to say about you. But did
Speaker 1: you have any any meetings with the Cowboys, whether it's
Speaker 1: uh the combine or any anything down the line that
Speaker 1: we that that led you to believe that you could
Speaker 1: be their selection. Yes, so I'm uh the Cowboys stuff
Speaker 1: at the call online and then coached Colombo flew out
Speaker 1: to Virginia Tech and uh we spent we spent probably
Speaker 1: four or five hours ago. Uh we did some like
Speaker 1: fields work and then some some football talk. Well great, yeah, Lawrence, Um,
Speaker 1: you know David Helman here at Dallas Cowboys dot Com
Speaker 1: congrats first of all, but you know it's been a
Speaker 1: talking point here in Dallas for the last uh several years,
Speaker 1: just the work they've done working on this offensive line,
Speaker 1: the guys they've brought in, uh Tyrn Smith, Doug free
Speaker 1: Zach Martin, all that, all those picks that they've used
Speaker 1: to shore this thing up. What's your impression of the
Speaker 1: situation you're stepping into the room you mentioned, uh, Mark Colombo,
Speaker 1: just the guys here and the unit that they've built
Speaker 1: here in Dallas. I mean, it's just it's just an
Speaker 1: amazing opportunity, Like I'm gonna get to go there and
Speaker 1: work with Pro Bowl offensive lineman and what you can't
Speaker 1: you can't ask for any better than that. When when
Speaker 1: Mark went out there, and we all know Mark here.
Speaker 1: Mark's kind of a tough old school offensive lineman himself.
Speaker 1: He puts you through some pretty good paces there. You
Speaker 1: talked about working with him on the field and all that,
Speaker 1: Uh did did he did? He did? He get down
Speaker 1: and dirty with you a little bit, kind of try
Speaker 1: and push you around and see where you're at. Oh yeah,
Speaker 1: of course that was That was probably be one of
Speaker 1: like the most genuous workouts that I that I had.
Speaker 1: We were out there for probably like an hour and
Speaker 1: a half. Well, good, just doing drill after drill, right, yeah,
Speaker 1: well that you know, Mark's one of those guys like
Speaker 1: we know and you know, let me ask you this.
Speaker 1: Had they give any any indication that Mark, did they
Speaker 1: work any any particular position on the right side the
Speaker 1: left side? Is any any give you any case er
Speaker 1: or do they tell you to be pretty flexible about
Speaker 1: maybe what they can do with you? Oh? I mean
Speaker 1: I am flexible. And when we had to work out,
Speaker 1: I didn't work both sides left hand, right, But um
Speaker 1: I also played left and right in college too, so
Speaker 1: you know I'm gonna work in wherever I can. Well,
Speaker 1: very good, Well listen, Laurds. Hey, congratulations on your selection
Speaker 1: that Dallas course. Thanks for spending some time with us,
Speaker 1: and we'll see when you get here in Dallas and
Speaker 1: looking forward to working with you and uh and getting
Speaker 1: this thing going for you. Okay, congrats, All right, thanks guys,
Speaker 1: All right. Laurence Gibson, the offensive tackle from Virginia Tech,
Speaker 1: was selected in the seventh round by the Dallas Cowboys.
Speaker 1: Uh he was uh what pick was that? That was
Speaker 1: pick two? Forty three down to the final few selections
Speaker 1: in this draft. We are at pick two fifty five
Speaker 1: is in that's owned by the Indianapolis Colts. And uh,
Speaker 1: then the final pick of this draft will be at
Speaker 1: two fifty six and that is owned by the Arizona Cardinals.
Speaker 1: So to quote a song, it's been a long, strange
Speaker 1: journey to this point in time. We've talked about a
Speaker 1: little bit about the Cowboys and what we've thought. Uh,
Speaker 1: that's been you know, sitting sitting in spots. Really, the
Speaker 1: only move they made was to get a to flip
Speaker 1: a pick next year to gravitten. Did you expect Alas
Speaker 1: to to be uh, just to be this calm with
Speaker 1: their draft that the seventh round, that was trading into
Speaker 1: that back into the seventh rounds. I'm still trying to
Speaker 1: wrap my head around that. Just not not not that
Speaker 1: it's the wrong move, but just I don't think any
Speaker 1: of us saw that coming. No, it's a weird thing
Speaker 1: to see. It really is giving up a future sixth
Speaker 1: for a seventh this year. Obviously they saw something in
Speaker 1: the player that they didn't want to fight other teams
Speaker 1: to sign him in state. I mean, he's a California kid,
Speaker 1: but he played in state of Texas. Uh. I don't
Speaker 1: think anyone saw it coming. And here we are down
Speaker 1: to the final pick, number two fifty six coming here shortly.
Speaker 1: It's uh, it's bittersweet. It's crazy that we just went
Speaker 1: through two hundred and fifty six picks last three days
Speaker 1: and all the all the draft shows everything we've done
Speaker 1: the last few months culminating right now. Yeah, and then uh,
Speaker 1: it's it's always a it's a very frantic time. What's
Speaker 1: going on in these war rooms around the country. And
Speaker 1: it looks like that pick two hundred and fifty six
Speaker 1: is in fact in Solia Collins to not get drafted. No, yeah,
Speaker 1: and that kind of some rumblings around the building today
Speaker 1: that they might kick the tires on that, but I
Speaker 1: guess they Ultimately, I've never seen anything like that. You know,
Speaker 1: he can't re enter the draft next year, No, he can't.
Speaker 1: And you know so that wait, he can't if even
Speaker 1: if he decides not to sign with the team he's
Speaker 1: a free agent now oh wow, yeah, yeah, they can't.
Speaker 1: He can't do that. So uh so his his his
Speaker 1: camp was confident on him getting drafted, and then he
Speaker 1: wouldn't sign his paperwork, and then he'd be eligible, right
Speaker 1: if he was drafted then and he didn't sign, then
Speaker 1: he could have re entered The team that drafted him
Speaker 1: had his rights for a year, right, and then he
Speaker 1: could have re entered the draft next year. But since
Speaker 1: he went undrafted, technically he is a free agent right
Speaker 1: now exactly, So what the hell happened? So he's got
Speaker 1: a meeting with the police on Monday, and then there's
Speaker 1: gonna be a stampede of NFL teams, assuming that everything
Speaker 1: is okay. Eagle Front, yep, that'll be an interesting that
Speaker 1: should be very interesting to watch. It's a shame a
Speaker 1: kid goes from a first round pick. But again, I
Speaker 1: just kind of gathering a little facts or some information
Speaker 1: on it. Sounds like this is really something that he
Speaker 1: could have taken care of a while ago and did
Speaker 1: not do that. So listen to everybody out there to
Speaker 1: take care of your business and not everybody gets charged
Speaker 1: with it's not charged, but it gets questioned on these
Speaker 1: kind of things. So can't let's do this. You got
Speaker 1: two fifty six, Let's go to the podium and get
Speaker 1: the final pick event for all of us to enjoy.
Speaker 1: It's so mean that they call this guy. Things must
Speaker 1: come to an end. For the final pick of a
Speaker 1: twenty fifteen draft. Please welcome to the podium, Melanie Fitch.
Speaker 1: She is the daughter of NFL legend and the founder
Speaker 1: of mister Irrelevant, Paul Salata. Melanie Welcome. It's like, oh, congratulations,
Speaker 1: you don't matter. He gets a parade and everything. The
Speaker 1: final pick of the NFL Draft, also known as mister Irrelevant,
Speaker 1: reaches a significant milestone in twenty fifteen. This year's selection
Speaker 1: kicks off the fortieth year of Irrelevant Week, where mister irrelevance, perseverance, determination,
Speaker 1: and athletic achievements will be honored at the Bellboa Bay
Speaker 1: Resort in Newport Beach, California, for the announcement of the
Speaker 1: Arizona Cardinal selection of Mister Irrelevant. Forty. Let's turn it
Speaker 1: to mister Irrelevant thirty seven Cardinals quarterback Chandler Harness, who's
Speaker 1: joined by Paul Salata, founder of Irrelevant. Chandler. All right, everybody,
Speaker 1: the final round of the draft is finally in. This
Speaker 1: is also known as mister Irrelevant. So the final pick
Speaker 1: for twenty fifteen reaches a huge milestone. This is the
Speaker 1: fortieth year for mister Irrelevant Week, and that's celebrating perseverance, determination,
Speaker 1: athletic achievement and all that's going to be honored. We
Speaker 1: have President Michael Bidwell here today with the Arizona Cardinal
Speaker 1: and we also do about this the first So the
Speaker 1: Arizona Cardinals want to have the selection of mister Irrelevant
Speaker 1: number forty announced by mister Irrelevant thirty seven. And that's
Speaker 1: the quarterback you're seeing right here. This is Chandler Harness
Speaker 1: and he's joined by mister irrelevant founder Paul Salata. All right,
Speaker 1: here we go, shout out to the Red Sea and
Speaker 1: the Bird Gang with the thirty ninth pick, seventh round
Speaker 1: two fifty six overall, the two thy fifteen. Mister Irrelevant
Speaker 1: for the Arizona Cardinals at Cardinals is Gerald Christian tied
Speaker 1: end for there you go one. He goes from one
Speaker 1: Cardinal to the other Cardinal. You done, former Florida transfer.
Speaker 1: So Gerald Christian as mister irrelevant pick two fifty six
Speaker 1: and that will close the an annual selection meeting. Is
Speaker 1: the NFL likes to call it. I like to call
Speaker 1: it the draft. The NFL Draft. It's been a part
Speaker 1: of my life. Since nineteen ninety two. I enjoy every
Speaker 1: single minute of it. I enjoyed the preparation. Thank you
Speaker 1: very much, Jim Nance for the music tradition. Yeah, a
Speaker 1: tradition like no other. Hello but friends. But now we're
Speaker 1: about to have a press conference coming up here and
Speaker 1: stuff like that, and we do, and we do, and again,
Speaker 1: I just want to get some just some final thoughts.
Speaker 1: I was trying to kind of get there before we
Speaker 1: got to mister irrelevant, But just some you know, final thoughts.
Speaker 1: We talked about the Cowboys, we talked about some of
Speaker 1: the surprises we thought, we talked about the ways that
Speaker 1: they might have helped themselves. We will always question about
Speaker 1: the running backs that situation. But just some final thoughts
Speaker 1: about the draft itself. And uh, and I'm not asking
Speaker 1: to grade anything or but just kind of what your
Speaker 1: impressions were overall, I think, I mean, there's one glaring,
Speaker 1: obvious exception, which is Randy Gregory. I mean it's not
Speaker 1: and I mean this as a compliments. I don't get
Speaker 1: me wrong. It's not a lot of flash here. To me.
Speaker 1: It's an effish and you know, you address needs. It's
Speaker 1: kind of like Zack Martin last year, nobody got excited
Speaker 1: about Zack Martin. People were audibly disappointed in the crowd
Speaker 1: when it wasn't Johnny Manziel. But he goes out, he's
Speaker 1: a Pro Bowl or he fits the need, and that's
Speaker 1: kind of how I feel about this. I mean, you're
Speaker 1: drafting guys who you know, Chaz Green doesn't really move
Speaker 1: the needle, but you needed a swing tackle. You needed
Speaker 1: a guy that you feel confident can step in if
Speaker 1: one of your guys gets hurt. They got that. They
Speaker 1: got a guy who you think can probably be one
Speaker 1: of the top three corners on this team right away.
Speaker 1: And Byron Jones, you know Wilson the linebacker. Again, maybe
Speaker 1: not a guy that's going to step in and have
Speaker 1: a hundred tackles as a rookie, but you need depth,
Speaker 1: a for injuries, be for special teams, see because you
Speaker 1: don't know the long term future of the position, so
Speaker 1: you know you gotta when you're thinking about it years
Speaker 1: down the line instead of Week one, twenty fifteen. I
Speaker 1: think all these guys serve a very direct purpose, and
Speaker 1: then I think the exclamation point is a flashy, sexy
Speaker 1: guy who can Randy Gregory if he is what they
Speaker 1: hope he is. Then you're talking about a double digit
Speaker 1: sack guy who can anchor your defensive line along with
Speaker 1: the Marcus Lawrence. Again, you can never predict it, but
Speaker 1: if it goes the way they want it to, then
Speaker 1: that's a great tandem to have on your defensive line
Speaker 1: for the next few years. So, you know, I don't
Speaker 1: know how to grade a draft, but I would give
Speaker 1: this one a good grade. Absolutely, we're gonna go to
Speaker 1: our guy who's not been mister Irrelevant at all. He's
Speaker 1: been a first round pick all throughout this he takes
Speaker 1: his time to come and be a part of what
Speaker 1: we do here at the Draft show and then also
Speaker 1: what we were doing on the road at the Senior Bowl,
Speaker 1: and then also at the Combine. And Dane, we can't
Speaker 1: thank you enough for all the things that you've done
Speaker 1: for us, and you know, and the expertise that you bring,
Speaker 1: the professionalism. I know one day we're gonna lose you
Speaker 1: to one of these NFL teams and you're gonna be
Speaker 1: a part of that and picking these guys for real.
Speaker 1: But thank you for all you've done. Thank you very much,
Speaker 1: sir your thoughts on this and it didn't have to
Speaker 1: be so much about the Cowboys, but just you know,
Speaker 1: another draft. You've been doing this a long time. I
Speaker 1: mean you are a young man, but you know, still
Speaker 1: it didn't have like Dave said, it didn't have the
Speaker 1: flash that we've seen in you know, it didn't have
Speaker 1: the the up and round on the chaos and all
Speaker 1: that we've seen in drafts pass but right, a very
Speaker 1: efficient draft. Every draft has an identity, and thank you
Speaker 1: guys have letting me know be here and be part
Speaker 1: of this. It's been so much fun just talking draft
Speaker 1: for how how many months? Every draft has an identity.
Speaker 1: It really does, and you know, we'd come away from
Speaker 1: each draft thinking different things and feeling feeling good about
Speaker 1: certain picks. And I think with Dallas, the most important
Speaker 1: thing was that twenty seventh pick, getting that right, getting
Speaker 1: your first round pick right, and I think they did.
Speaker 1: They hit a home run with Byron Jones and the
Speaker 1: way the first round, This first round was unlike any
Speaker 1: other with the way it played out, two trades, just
Speaker 1: not a lot of surprises, and it still worked out
Speaker 1: where the Cowboys were able to get their guy, and
Speaker 1: so it worked out great. And then this third day today,
Speaker 1: a lot of a lot of surprises. A few names
Speaker 1: at surprise went off the board. A few names that
Speaker 1: are left. I'm going through them. About the post on CBS,
Speaker 1: the top fifteen undrafted guys, I mean it starts with
Speaker 1: Lyle Collins obviously, but guys like Dres Anderson, Mike Hall,
Speaker 1: Cody Pruett, right Reestas Muke. So a lot of players
Speaker 1: still available that will sign contracts here tonight. But overall,
Speaker 1: another great draft. It's it's it's been fun. Yeah, you
Speaker 1: know my my impressions of drafts, right, you know, this
Speaker 1: is the best time to to build your team. That
Speaker 1: to me, the really the best time. I understand what
Speaker 1: free agency does you know are these players? I mean
Speaker 1: you have to overspend, but this is this is what
Speaker 1: your backbone is right here. And the Cowboys, there's no
Speaker 1: h there's no denying that they got better last year
Speaker 1: because if they started drafting better, you get better players,
Speaker 1: you match up better in games. On a pretty good street.
Speaker 1: They're on a good streak and that's what they need
Speaker 1: to continue to do. You know what, what will McClay,
Speaker 1: you know, Jerry Jones, Stephen Jones, Jason Garrett, the scouting staff,
Speaker 1: everything that they've been able to do to pull this
Speaker 1: thing together. And it's a lot of work. I mean,
Speaker 1: you don't realize. I mean we we sit here and
Speaker 1: talk about it and we do our own little but
Speaker 1: you know, guys are away from their families and stuff
Speaker 1: like that. It's a it's a very you know, this
Speaker 1: is their their there there, this is their time of year.
Speaker 1: And today being the third day, was the scouts day,
Speaker 1: you know. And and again there's there's some players out
Speaker 1: there and this thing's not over. I mean, you got
Speaker 1: this draft. Now you'll have the second draft, and the
Speaker 1: second draft really is about free agency after this draft
Speaker 1: and you know, going out and maybe you do get
Speaker 1: because Dallas Cowboys have done a really nice job of
Speaker 1: signing guys that are free agents now college Fridge and
Speaker 1: then having them make their teams and having success with
Speaker 1: those teams. This is unlike any other draft. And I
Speaker 1: say that with confidence because there's a big unknown down
Speaker 1: in our alma mater, in our hometown. Yeah. Uh who,
Speaker 1: I mean, that's that's something to keep an eye on.
Speaker 1: I mean, yeah, yeah, if that check. And I mean
Speaker 1: I thought there was a point in time where you
Speaker 1: would have haken him and and and maybe and again
Speaker 1: I didn't know the information. I don't think none of
Speaker 1: us knew the information totally with him what the situation was. Uh,
Speaker 1: you know, obviously the the the programs, the uh, the
Speaker 1: the teams got some kind of report, probably from the league.
Speaker 1: I talked about, Hey, if it was me, I would send,
Speaker 1: I would send. You know, Larry Wansley would have been
Speaker 1: in Baton Rouge two days ago trying to figure this out.
Speaker 1: And if you get the if it would have been
Speaker 1: favorable or not favorable, Uh, then at least you have
Speaker 1: an idea what direction you want to go in. So maybe,
Speaker 1: and again you know, who knows what's going to happen.
Speaker 1: I don't know what the deal is any more than
Speaker 1: anybody else does. But if if he's cleared and nothing
Speaker 1: is wrong, I don't see why the Cowboys wouldn't be
Speaker 1: major players for his services. Well, and there's no I mean,
Speaker 1: there's no restrictions on that. You know that it's he's
Speaker 1: up for wherever he wants free file. It's up to
Speaker 1: him of his choice of whoever wants to him. If
Speaker 1: it once that thing clears, if it does clear, if
Speaker 1: it does clear, if it does clear, So there's some
Speaker 1: still some hurdles. So okay, well we're gonna we're gonna
Speaker 1: step aside here from our draft coverage. We were gonna
Speaker 1: thank everybody around the world brought us. Oh, we need
Speaker 1: to thank you. This is your baby, This was your idea. Hey,
Speaker 1: had fun, had fun, Thank you guys, but seriously brought
Speaker 1: us this. This You're the heart and soul of this
Speaker 1: draft show this year. Uh, you know, Dane, obviously you
Speaker 1: coming on as well. It was great, tiny gem always
Speaker 1: good to have you. But yeah, but brought us that
Speaker 1: chair since ten am this morning and every fan, everyone
Speaker 1: in Cowboys Nation appreciates it. So so thank you, very
Speaker 1: very very much. Well, thank you guys. Appreciate you guys too. Okay,
Speaker 1: what's coming up next is gonna be uh the wrap
Speaker 1: up of the uh with the press conference and stuff
Speaker 1: where we're gonna go off. We're gonna go off the
Speaker 1: air here. If you a little bit, just take a
Speaker 1: little break, make sure you still keep your computers and
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Speaker 1: then you'll hear we will have post draft post drafts,
Speaker 1: and keep your eyes on the site because the undrafted
Speaker 1: free agents are coming and that's a great thing about
Speaker 1: Twitter too, You mean sometimes you get yep, you can
Speaker 1: get these guys tweet out who who have them, who's playing.
Speaker 1: So for my whole crew here, for my scouting buddies,
Speaker 1: for David Hellman, for Dame Brugler, it's been a pleasure.
Speaker 1: Thank you. And for Kent Garrison, Lauren Sokol, Thank you guys.
Speaker 1: For Douglas. I know he's probably hanging out there somewhere.
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