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Speaker 1: Welcome to Creature feature production of I Heart Radio. I'm

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Speaker 1: your host of Many Parasites, Katie Golden. I studied psychology

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Speaker 1: and evolutionary biology, and today on the show Wings Take Dream,

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Speaker 1: we're talking about the world's most spectacular flyers, from the

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Speaker 1: tiny and nimble hummingbird to the bird with a wingspan

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Speaker 1: longer than any basketball player will discover mammalion gliders and

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Speaker 1: murmurating starlings. Discover this more as we answer to the

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Speaker 1: angel question, why is that flying squirrel glowing pink? Is

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Speaker 1: it just bashful? Joining me today is my friend and

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Speaker 1: the Daily Zygei, super producer and co host of Ethnically

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Speaker 1: Ambiguous and the twitch Screamed Deckheads, Chief stews Anna Hosnie him.

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Speaker 1: Thanks for having back. Thank you. I guess you have

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Speaker 1: done the show I do the last time with Shrine, right,

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Speaker 1: That's right, Yeah, I have no memory of a show

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Speaker 1: so many podcasts. I have no memory of anything anymore.

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Speaker 1: That's all right. Like like a swallow back to San

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Speaker 1: Juan Capistrano. You may not remember being here or know

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Speaker 1: why you're here, but here you are again. Here I

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Speaker 1: am again to talk yes, the movie with Denzel Washington. Yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 1: we've decided to take a bit of a pivot with

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Speaker 1: the pod. Animals are out, nobody cares about them anymore.

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Speaker 1: But we are going to talk about the movie Flight

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Speaker 1: with Denzel Washington. Oh what a great film. And now

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Speaker 1: what did that airplane do? I mean, you shouldn't drink

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Speaker 1: and fly an airplane, folks, that's my opinion. That's a

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Speaker 1: strong opinion. Thank you. Yeah, yeah, no, we are talking

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Speaker 1: about animal flighting. I gotta do a shout out to

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Speaker 1: a listener who sent in a question that inspired this

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Speaker 1: whole episode. Um, I will read their email right now. Hi, Katie,

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Speaker 1: I was listening to the podcast today and finally came

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Speaker 1: up with the question I could send in so exciting.

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Speaker 1: Here it goes. We know hummingbirds in the adorable hummingbird

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Speaker 1: some larger songbirds can do it too. For just a moment,

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Speaker 1: what's the story here? Size and weight obviously play a role,

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Speaker 1: but what about similarly sized birds with the same diet

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Speaker 1: and habitat. Can some of them hover while others have

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Speaker 1: to get by with just boring old flying? Why please

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Speaker 1: Oh thank you, Ramon, very nice. That is a great question.

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Speaker 1: And yeah, it's really interesting because when we kind of

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Speaker 1: a lot of differences and how birds fly in the

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Speaker 1: actual physics of like how a hummingbird gets in the

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Speaker 1: and it's it's a completely different set of physics with hummingbirds.

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Speaker 1: They're teeny, toyiny little If you have you ever like

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Speaker 1: held a hummingbird Anna, Oh no, no, no, I don't

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Speaker 1: even I've seen them up close, like at my hummingbird feeder,

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Speaker 1: I've seen them fight, but I've never I don't think

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Speaker 1: I've ever touched one. Yeah, I I feel like the

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Speaker 1: only time I've held a hummingbird, it's been dead, which

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Speaker 1: a little sad. That makes more sense as to how

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Speaker 1: you would have touched it, right, Yeah, not Look, I didn't.

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Speaker 1: I'm not responsible. I didn't do anything wrong. Um, but

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Speaker 1: you know, like you know what you defend, you're really

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Speaker 1: this is how I found it with a ten knife

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Speaker 1: in its back. And I notice saying Katie did it.

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Speaker 1: I will say they fight a lot, so if one

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Speaker 1: The bird that's like the exact opposite when it comes

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Speaker 1: you can't judge a bird by how cute and small

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Speaker 1: out these these hummingbirds have a evolutionary look alike called

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Speaker 1: the hummingbird hawk moth. And I've provided you with a

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Speaker 1: But on an insect, does that go back in its mouth? Yeah? Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I understand now what I'm looking at. What a surreal

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Speaker 1: he's got like cat eyes. Yeah, And that's what's so

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Speaker 1: interesting is that what looks like a pupil on it,

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Speaker 1: octopus but holes. Oh my god, it sounds like it

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Speaker 1: well they, I mean, why else would they be grabbing

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Speaker 1: I would definitely someone names Amethyst would stars like, you know,

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Speaker 1: try octopists, but holes. Seriously, it'll work. It's like no,

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Speaker 1: pulls a prank on us, like you think this animal

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00:25:19,200 --> 00:25:21,400
Speaker 1: is the same as this animal. Nobody, it's not even

422
00:25:21,480 --> 00:25:25,639
Speaker 1: on the same continent. Oh, such weird. It's so funny

423
00:25:25,680 --> 00:25:29,200
Speaker 1: to me, how to, like we just keep evolving similar things,

424
00:25:29,280 --> 00:25:31,840
Speaker 1: Like just take like a mouse and like squish it

425
00:25:32,200 --> 00:25:35,040
Speaker 1: so floats like a frisbee. I mean, I feel like

426
00:25:35,160 --> 00:25:38,800
Speaker 1: this is like a great example of evolution of like

427
00:25:38,960 --> 00:25:42,840
Speaker 1: they just all needed this, so they evolved to have

428
00:25:43,040 --> 00:25:46,000
Speaker 1: it in their different spaces because they're not technically connected.

429
00:25:46,119 --> 00:25:49,879
Speaker 1: But like in whatever world or whatever environment they live in,

430
00:25:49,960 --> 00:25:51,439
Speaker 1: they just were like, well I need to I need

431
00:25:51,480 --> 00:25:56,480
Speaker 1: to be gliding, So you need to evolve into a glider. Yeah, look,

432
00:25:56,600 --> 00:25:58,960
Speaker 1: I need to. I need to be more like a

433
00:25:59,080 --> 00:26:01,879
Speaker 1: kite because I've been jumping off these trees and let

434
00:26:01,920 --> 00:26:03,720
Speaker 1: me tell you, when you hit the ground that is

435
00:26:03,920 --> 00:26:07,440
Speaker 1: not fun like a kite. I wish I could just

436
00:26:07,480 --> 00:26:09,800
Speaker 1: think that as a person, like I really I need

437
00:26:09,880 --> 00:26:12,440
Speaker 1: to be more like a kite and then it would happen. Yeah,

438
00:26:12,720 --> 00:26:14,720
Speaker 1: I know, I mean like that's I guess that's what

439
00:26:14,840 --> 00:26:19,960
Speaker 1: people thought when they developed the squirrel suit that and

440
00:26:20,200 --> 00:26:22,479
Speaker 1: they wore that, and you know some of them at

441
00:26:22,560 --> 00:26:28,680
Speaker 1: least survived when they do that. Well, they mean, but

442
00:26:28,760 --> 00:26:31,720
Speaker 1: there's never been red It's like Red Bull evolved them.

443
00:26:33,760 --> 00:26:37,560
Speaker 1: Gives probably like Red Bull sponsored squirrel suits doesn't seem

444
00:26:37,560 --> 00:26:38,920
Speaker 1: like it just feels like something red will be like.

445
00:26:39,040 --> 00:26:41,960
Speaker 1: And we also just jump off mountains with squirrel suits

446
00:26:42,000 --> 00:26:45,400
Speaker 1: and you're like, oh my gosh, Okay, did you ever

447
00:26:45,640 --> 00:26:49,120
Speaker 1: like watch those commercials as a kid and think, well,

448
00:26:49,240 --> 00:26:52,200
Speaker 1: maybe maybe if I drink it and like jump off,

449
00:26:52,520 --> 00:26:57,000
Speaker 1: you know, the balcony, I could actually fly Because I

450
00:26:57,119 --> 00:27:00,680
Speaker 1: was definitely dumb enough to have that thought occurred to me. Yeah,

451
00:27:00,920 --> 00:27:06,040
Speaker 1: as a kid. Uh yeah. And uh I also did

452
00:27:06,119 --> 00:27:08,320
Speaker 1: the thing where it's like I took like a blanket

453
00:27:08,800 --> 00:27:10,920
Speaker 1: and try to make up my own parachute and like

454
00:27:11,000 --> 00:27:14,840
Speaker 1: would jump off not not too not high heights because

455
00:27:14,880 --> 00:27:17,240
Speaker 1: I was smart enough to know that I would get

456
00:27:17,440 --> 00:27:22,000
Speaker 1: really hurt if I did that. But uh yeah, I

457
00:27:22,200 --> 00:27:26,160
Speaker 1: I definitely did try to kind of do human human

458
00:27:26,240 --> 00:27:30,200
Speaker 1: squirrel action flying squirrel action and it never worked. Yeah.

459
00:27:30,359 --> 00:27:33,920
Speaker 1: I mean I feel like there's a tech behind it

460
00:27:34,240 --> 00:27:36,800
Speaker 1: that either you have to evolve your body into or

461
00:27:36,880 --> 00:27:39,320
Speaker 1: Red bull has to build for you. I really convinced

462
00:27:39,400 --> 00:27:43,280
Speaker 1: Red Bulls making these suits. I I think I'd be

463
00:27:43,359 --> 00:27:47,240
Speaker 1: okay with like, uh, just big flaps of skin if

464
00:27:47,280 --> 00:27:50,480
Speaker 1: it meant I could fly, you know, oh for sure.

465
00:27:51,160 --> 00:27:53,399
Speaker 1: Like I if you could tuck them in somehow, like

466
00:27:53,480 --> 00:27:56,920
Speaker 1: fold them up when you're not when they're not in use.

467
00:27:57,080 --> 00:28:00,320
Speaker 1: But yeah, that'd be that'd be awesome, old them up

468
00:28:00,320 --> 00:28:05,000
Speaker 1: when they're not I pocket. That's how. That's how these were.

469
00:28:05,119 --> 00:28:06,919
Speaker 1: Like when you look at them when they're not flying,

470
00:28:07,200 --> 00:28:11,520
Speaker 1: not gliding, they look pretty pretty cute and like poofy

471
00:28:11,560 --> 00:28:14,040
Speaker 1: and fluffy. But it just turns out that they can

472
00:28:14,200 --> 00:28:19,159
Speaker 1: like transformer into like a flying napkin. Yeah, we're going

473
00:28:19,200 --> 00:28:21,720
Speaker 1: to take a quick break and then when we get back,

474
00:28:21,840 --> 00:28:25,359
Speaker 1: we're going to talk about murmurations, which is not just

475
00:28:25,520 --> 00:28:29,440
Speaker 1: me mumbling into the microphone and not doing a good podcasting.

476
00:28:29,480 --> 00:28:32,000
Speaker 1: It's something else and it's really cool. So we will

477
00:28:32,040 --> 00:28:38,680
Speaker 1: be right back. Anna, have you ever seen a bird mrmuration?

478
00:28:39,520 --> 00:28:46,360
Speaker 1: Oh you want me to lie? Of course, of course,

479
00:28:46,520 --> 00:28:50,880
Speaker 1: I'm I love murmurations. I mean, God, the murmuration of

480
00:28:51,800 --> 00:28:55,240
Speaker 1: four it was amazing. No, you forget that mrmuration. I

481
00:28:55,320 --> 00:29:02,640
Speaker 1: know exactly what you mean. Well. Bird mermerations are basically,

482
00:29:02,720 --> 00:29:06,160
Speaker 1: when you have a giant flock of birds all flying

483
00:29:06,440 --> 00:29:11,960
Speaker 1: in unison, they will form these mind bending patterns in

484
00:29:12,080 --> 00:29:15,960
Speaker 1: the air. And I have actually included for you in

485
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Speaker 1: a video of some really amazing startling mrmerations if you

486
00:29:20,800 --> 00:29:23,200
Speaker 1: want to check that out. I think I have seen

487
00:29:23,360 --> 00:29:26,959
Speaker 1: video of this before. M hmm. Yeah, I don't think

488
00:29:26,960 --> 00:29:29,320
Speaker 1: I've ever seen this in person though. Yeah, I've never

489
00:29:29,520 --> 00:29:33,040
Speaker 1: seen bird mermerations in person because I don't I've never

490
00:29:33,240 --> 00:29:38,240
Speaker 1: lived anywhere where they're like huge migratory flocks of starlings.

491
00:29:39,000 --> 00:29:42,280
Speaker 1: It looks like there's like God, looks like they'd kill

492
00:29:42,360 --> 00:29:46,160
Speaker 1: you if they came through you. Well yeah, if they

493
00:29:46,280 --> 00:29:49,280
Speaker 1: if they like flew right through you, I think you

494
00:29:49,360 --> 00:29:55,720
Speaker 1: would die. Right. Wow, that's so cool. It's so mesmerizing

495
00:29:55,800 --> 00:29:58,520
Speaker 1: to look at, almost like a visual therapy where you're

496
00:29:58,560 --> 00:30:01,720
Speaker 1: just taking it in and letting your mind and shut off. Yeah,

497
00:30:01,800 --> 00:30:05,120
Speaker 1: it is. It's kind of almost hypnotic, like like the

498
00:30:05,600 --> 00:30:11,360
Speaker 1: a hypnotic sort of psychotropic patterns that these birds are managing.

499
00:30:11,440 --> 00:30:13,280
Speaker 1: So you'll look in the sky and you'll see what

500
00:30:13,480 --> 00:30:18,880
Speaker 1: looks like kind of a spotty black cloud, and it's

501
00:30:19,040 --> 00:30:22,080
Speaker 1: all made out of a huge flock of birds. And

502
00:30:22,200 --> 00:30:25,680
Speaker 1: as they turn directions and fly, there's like patterns that

503
00:30:25,880 --> 00:30:30,520
Speaker 1: like form through them, like waves of darker bands, and

504
00:30:30,640 --> 00:30:33,800
Speaker 1: like as they turn like it it changes shapes, but

505
00:30:33,880 --> 00:30:37,920
Speaker 1: you can actually see like a wave of like dark

506
00:30:37,960 --> 00:30:42,920
Speaker 1: color like move through it as they all simultaneously shift directions,

507
00:30:43,680 --> 00:30:47,640
Speaker 1: And it's beautiful and kind of intimidating too. It's like

508
00:30:47,720 --> 00:30:50,000
Speaker 1: one of those things where it's like, you know when

509
00:30:50,080 --> 00:30:52,840
Speaker 1: it's like you're you're in awe of something, something is awesome,

510
00:30:52,960 --> 00:30:55,440
Speaker 1: like the true meaning of the word awesome. It's like,

511
00:30:55,560 --> 00:30:57,640
Speaker 1: I'm actually in awe when I see this because it's

512
00:30:57,680 --> 00:31:02,160
Speaker 1: so big and it's like this big blob moving in

513
00:31:02,200 --> 00:31:05,320
Speaker 1: the sky. I think if I had never seen this

514
00:31:05,480 --> 00:31:07,320
Speaker 1: before and didn't know what it was, I would think

515
00:31:07,400 --> 00:31:10,240
Speaker 1: it was aliens. M yeah, I could see that. Also

516
00:31:10,360 --> 00:31:15,520
Speaker 1: like in that movie Um the Crudes, Oh yeah, they

517
00:31:15,640 --> 00:31:18,520
Speaker 1: have those like whatever when they get to that weird land,

518
00:31:18,560 --> 00:31:20,840
Speaker 1: they have those creatures or like it looks like that

519
00:31:21,000 --> 00:31:23,320
Speaker 1: the Starlings flying all together. But then they just come

520
00:31:23,360 --> 00:31:26,160
Speaker 1: through and like eat a giant like creature like a

521
00:31:26,960 --> 00:31:29,320
Speaker 1: a rhino or something by just like going by it,

522
00:31:29,400 --> 00:31:31,160
Speaker 1: and then all that's left, or they come and like

523
00:31:31,280 --> 00:31:32,920
Speaker 1: take it over, and then all that's left is just

524
00:31:33,000 --> 00:31:36,600
Speaker 1: its bones. Right, That's what I think about. Yeah, it

525
00:31:36,760 --> 00:31:39,960
Speaker 1: was this the Crudes one or the Crudes too, I

526
00:31:40,040 --> 00:31:44,280
Speaker 1: think too, okay to back in action. Yeah, I've only

527
00:31:44,360 --> 00:31:46,920
Speaker 1: I only saw the Crudes one, I think on a

528
00:31:47,120 --> 00:31:50,400
Speaker 1: on a airplane, so my memory is a little hazy

529
00:31:51,160 --> 00:31:56,800
Speaker 1: of the Crudes adventures. But unfortunately, starlings do not eat flesh,

530
00:31:57,000 --> 00:31:59,760
Speaker 1: so you're not actually in danger when you see one

531
00:31:59,800 --> 00:32:02,400
Speaker 1: of the smmerations unless you're under it, then you might

532
00:32:02,480 --> 00:32:08,400
Speaker 1: get pooped on. Uh. But yeah, So murmurations, while also

533
00:32:08,560 --> 00:32:11,920
Speaker 1: looking like amazing works of art in the sky that

534
00:32:12,040 --> 00:32:16,640
Speaker 1: are kind of unbelievable, they are really interesting from a

535
00:32:16,720 --> 00:32:21,160
Speaker 1: scientific perspective, from a physics and from animal behavior perspective.

536
00:32:21,280 --> 00:32:26,280
Speaker 1: So murmurations are patterns that occur when you see flocks

537
00:32:26,360 --> 00:32:30,600
Speaker 1: of thousands of birds all flying. It's similar to like

538
00:32:30,720 --> 00:32:32,440
Speaker 1: a school of fish, you know, when you see a

539
00:32:32,520 --> 00:32:35,280
Speaker 1: school of fish and then they have those like waves

540
00:32:35,360 --> 00:32:38,680
Speaker 1: of weird it looks like a wave of a shining

541
00:32:38,760 --> 00:32:41,120
Speaker 1: color or a dark band moving through because the fish

542
00:32:41,160 --> 00:32:43,040
Speaker 1: are all turning at the same time. It's like that,

543
00:32:43,200 --> 00:32:47,760
Speaker 1: but in the sky. Uh. This typically happens during mass

544
00:32:47,920 --> 00:32:53,480
Speaker 1: migration of European starlings. So starlings are a bird that

545
00:32:53,920 --> 00:32:57,080
Speaker 1: it's a little smaller than a pigeon. It's actually really

546
00:32:57,160 --> 00:33:01,640
Speaker 1: beautiful in my opinion. It's got this dark, purple eriridescent color.

547
00:33:02,160 --> 00:33:04,880
Speaker 1: It's like purply black. It's got like black feathers that

548
00:33:05,000 --> 00:33:07,800
Speaker 1: can like eardesks. It looks like an oil slick or

549
00:33:07,920 --> 00:33:10,840
Speaker 1: something where when you when the lightships, it can like

550
00:33:10,960 --> 00:33:13,640
Speaker 1: turn kind of purplely kind of green. I was gonna

551
00:33:13,760 --> 00:33:15,640
Speaker 1: say it would be cool because I was looking at

552
00:33:15,640 --> 00:33:18,160
Speaker 1: the photo, like if you could see those colors within

553
00:33:18,320 --> 00:33:21,440
Speaker 1: the murmur or whatever that I know, I know that

554
00:33:21,480 --> 00:33:24,200
Speaker 1: would be cool. I don't know if you can. I

555
00:33:24,240 --> 00:33:28,280
Speaker 1: think they're too they're too probably too far away for

556
00:33:28,520 --> 00:33:32,320
Speaker 1: those two colors to really register. But yeah, I don't

557
00:33:32,440 --> 00:33:34,720
Speaker 1: since I've never actually seen one in person, I've only

558
00:33:34,800 --> 00:33:39,720
Speaker 1: seen distant videos of them. I don't know if you can. Yeah,

559
00:33:39,720 --> 00:33:42,840
Speaker 1: they are individually quite beautiful too. They also they're called

560
00:33:42,920 --> 00:33:46,240
Speaker 1: starlings because they have these little speckles. I think it's

561
00:33:46,280 --> 00:33:48,760
Speaker 1: because of the little white speckles on them that looks

562
00:33:48,800 --> 00:33:52,560
Speaker 1: like stars. So they will gather in the hundreds of

563
00:33:52,680 --> 00:33:57,120
Speaker 1: thousands during their migration south throughout Europe. So there can

564
00:33:57,200 --> 00:34:01,479
Speaker 1: be over seven hundred thousand individual jewels in a single

565
00:34:01,640 --> 00:34:06,400
Speaker 1: flock of European starlings. So the question of well, why

566
00:34:06,560 --> 00:34:11,080
Speaker 1: do these murmurations occur is actually more mysterious and complicated

567
00:34:11,120 --> 00:34:14,880
Speaker 1: than it seems when you first think about it, because

568
00:34:14,960 --> 00:34:19,400
Speaker 1: they spend sometimes forty five minutes in the sky just

569
00:34:19,560 --> 00:34:23,560
Speaker 1: forming these complex patterns as they move in unison. And

570
00:34:23,800 --> 00:34:27,520
Speaker 1: so the purpose of this is not really well understood

571
00:34:27,680 --> 00:34:32,160
Speaker 1: even among ornithologists, which is like someone who studies birds

572
00:34:32,320 --> 00:34:37,880
Speaker 1: that the bird whispers um, but uh so they're like

573
00:34:38,000 --> 00:34:40,560
Speaker 1: when you think about it's like, okay, well, large flocks

574
00:34:40,600 --> 00:34:43,399
Speaker 1: are protective, right, Like, if you're a bird, you want

575
00:34:43,440 --> 00:34:45,640
Speaker 1: to be in a big flock, So it makes sense

576
00:34:45,840 --> 00:34:49,839
Speaker 1: why there's a big group of them. Uh And by

577
00:34:50,640 --> 00:34:53,160
Speaker 1: clustering with a bunch of other birds, you lessen the

578
00:34:53,280 --> 00:34:56,080
Speaker 1: chance of being preyed upon. So it kind of makes

579
00:34:56,080 --> 00:34:57,880
Speaker 1: sense that they would move in this big group so

580
00:34:58,000 --> 00:35:01,680
Speaker 1: that part maybe not so mysterious, but why how are

581
00:35:01,719 --> 00:35:04,960
Speaker 1: they forming such complex patterns? Uh? And how are they

582
00:35:05,040 --> 00:35:07,320
Speaker 1: doing it? And how do they know like which direction

583
00:35:07,360 --> 00:35:10,560
Speaker 1: they're supposed to go exactly exactly? So that's a big

584
00:35:10,640 --> 00:35:14,560
Speaker 1: question and that part of it has actually been somewhat

585
00:35:14,600 --> 00:35:20,040
Speaker 1: answered by research. So in Italy in Piazza day Chinquacento

586
00:35:20,880 --> 00:35:26,480
Speaker 1: University of Rome, physicists led by Andrea Cavania and Irene

587
00:35:26,880 --> 00:35:32,880
Speaker 1: Jardina have been studying starling murmurations for nearly two decades,

588
00:35:32,920 --> 00:35:37,040
Speaker 1: so these are physicists interested in it. They set up

589
00:35:37,160 --> 00:35:41,320
Speaker 1: multiple cameras to gather three D data on starling flocks.

590
00:35:41,920 --> 00:35:47,120
Speaker 1: So starling populations in the area of Rome has increased

591
00:35:47,239 --> 00:35:52,319
Speaker 1: to be in the millions millions during migration, so they

592
00:35:52,520 --> 00:35:56,760
Speaker 1: set up this mass starling surveillance operation like a bird

593
00:35:56,800 --> 00:35:59,680
Speaker 1: ice cream van. Don't worry about it, birds, just some

594
00:36:00,000 --> 00:36:04,360
Speaker 1: normal bird ice cream. So they used all this camera

595
00:36:04,560 --> 00:36:10,000
Speaker 1: data to create a computer model of the starling flocking behavior.

596
00:36:10,520 --> 00:36:14,239
Speaker 1: So basically like taking in all this information they got

597
00:36:14,280 --> 00:36:17,560
Speaker 1: from all these cameras and then turned it into a

598
00:36:17,640 --> 00:36:25,880
Speaker 1: computer program through computer magic, and we're able to basically say, like, well, okay,

599
00:36:25,960 --> 00:36:29,440
Speaker 1: figure out how they're managing to do this. And so

600
00:36:29,800 --> 00:36:33,800
Speaker 1: last episode we actually talked about something called the Game

601
00:36:33,880 --> 00:36:37,640
Speaker 1: of Life, which is this old timey computer game where

602
00:36:37,640 --> 00:36:39,719
Speaker 1: you would just put in a few simple rules for

603
00:36:40,080 --> 00:36:42,840
Speaker 1: each pixel on the screen and it would create like

604
00:36:43,120 --> 00:36:48,560
Speaker 1: this amazing complexity from a few rules of pixels forming patterns.

605
00:36:48,600 --> 00:36:52,320
Speaker 1: And it's pretty similar here because what these researchers found

606
00:36:52,400 --> 00:36:57,160
Speaker 1: is that each startling positions itself depending on the it's

607
00:36:57,239 --> 00:37:02,080
Speaker 1: seven um closest neighbors. So it basically tries to get

608
00:37:02,200 --> 00:37:05,360
Speaker 1: in the center of like it's seven closest neighbors and

609
00:37:05,520 --> 00:37:08,360
Speaker 1: be kind of equally distant from each of them. So

610
00:37:09,440 --> 00:37:12,200
Speaker 1: it's kind of like when you're driving on the freeway,

611
00:37:12,360 --> 00:37:15,680
Speaker 1: Like you don't base your position on the freeway on

612
00:37:16,040 --> 00:37:18,839
Speaker 1: a bunch of drivers way far away that you can't see.

613
00:37:19,200 --> 00:37:21,320
Speaker 1: You just look at your the people in front of you,

614
00:37:21,680 --> 00:37:24,400
Speaker 1: next to you, and behind you, and if you're a

615
00:37:24,440 --> 00:37:27,040
Speaker 1: good driver, you try to like maintain sort of an

616
00:37:27,120 --> 00:37:33,520
Speaker 1: equal distance like buffer around you. Reaction literally like yes, yeah, exactly.

617
00:37:33,719 --> 00:37:39,080
Speaker 1: So if one startling changes direction on the other side

618
00:37:39,120 --> 00:37:42,600
Speaker 1: of the flock, that information quickly transmits to starlings that

619
00:37:42,680 --> 00:37:46,200
Speaker 1: can't even see that bird because they're all very quickly

620
00:37:46,320 --> 00:37:50,720
Speaker 1: reacting to their seven closest neighbors. In fact, they're so quick,

621
00:37:51,400 --> 00:37:54,000
Speaker 1: uh that a bird on the edge of a flock

622
00:37:54,160 --> 00:37:57,520
Speaker 1: can change its direction, causing a flock of hundreds of

623
00:37:57,600 --> 00:38:01,360
Speaker 1: birds to all move in less than half a second.

624
00:38:01,680 --> 00:38:05,920
Speaker 1: So information like per hundreds of birds like travels in

625
00:38:06,000 --> 00:38:09,279
Speaker 1: less than half a second, which is pretty good better

626
00:38:09,360 --> 00:38:15,600
Speaker 1: than my internet for sure. I think we need bird Internet, right. Yeah,

627
00:38:15,760 --> 00:38:20,759
Speaker 1: if it's that quick, I'm not going to complain. Yeah,

628
00:38:20,960 --> 00:38:23,160
Speaker 1: they should just be in charge of our internet. Yeah,

629
00:38:23,239 --> 00:38:26,920
Speaker 1: like spectrum the worst birds. Yeah, let's do this bird Internet.

630
00:38:27,080 --> 00:38:29,600
Speaker 1: It's got to happen. They promised us fiber optics. We

631
00:38:29,640 --> 00:38:32,560
Speaker 1: didn't get it. They promised us a Google Fiber. We

632
00:38:32,640 --> 00:38:35,400
Speaker 1: didn't get it. I'm pitting my hopes on bird Internet.

633
00:38:35,800 --> 00:38:39,160
Speaker 1: I know what I don't. I mean, there's nothing birds

634
00:38:39,239 --> 00:38:42,399
Speaker 1: could do to us that Spectrum hasn't already done to us,

635
00:38:42,520 --> 00:38:46,520
Speaker 1: to be honest, bird fiber right, Like, I'd rather be

636
00:38:46,719 --> 00:38:49,160
Speaker 1: pooped on by a bunch of birds than deal with

637
00:38:49,760 --> 00:38:54,400
Speaker 1: with the spectrum Internet. Anyways. This thus concludes our Internet

638
00:38:54,560 --> 00:38:57,960
Speaker 1: roasting section of the podcast. I was pretty good. We

639
00:38:58,040 --> 00:39:00,960
Speaker 1: did pretty well Internet and a right, guys, so many

640
00:39:01,040 --> 00:39:05,120
Speaker 1: problems always too slow zing got them speaking truth to power,

641
00:39:05,640 --> 00:39:08,520
Speaker 1: all right, But back to the birds. That's how they

642
00:39:08,600 --> 00:39:13,080
Speaker 1: do that. That's how they do these incredible murmurations and um.

643
00:39:13,560 --> 00:39:16,080
Speaker 1: But the question still remains of like why are they

644
00:39:16,200 --> 00:39:20,839
Speaker 1: doing this? So one potentially obvious answer would be that, like, oh, well,

645
00:39:21,120 --> 00:39:25,960
Speaker 1: it's protective by doing these these movements, these coordinated movements.

646
00:39:26,040 --> 00:39:29,239
Speaker 1: It's intimidating to predators because it gives the predators a

647
00:39:29,320 --> 00:39:32,040
Speaker 1: sense that this is a much bigger organism where it

648
00:39:32,120 --> 00:39:35,880
Speaker 1: confuses the predators about like where where it's going or

649
00:39:35,960 --> 00:39:38,800
Speaker 1: what it's doing. And this is actually behavior that bees

650
00:39:38,840 --> 00:39:41,879
Speaker 1: will do. So a hive of bees, well sometimes all

651
00:39:42,400 --> 00:39:44,920
Speaker 1: come outside the hive and like sit on the hive

652
00:39:45,440 --> 00:39:49,160
Speaker 1: and then all flick their wings in in uh, like

653
00:39:49,520 --> 00:39:54,000
Speaker 1: in a wave like synchronously in synchronization, and this creates

654
00:39:54,080 --> 00:39:58,800
Speaker 1: what looks like these concentric waves of dark bands of

655
00:39:59,000 --> 00:40:02,480
Speaker 1: color just like moving through the hive. So it looks

656
00:40:02,600 --> 00:40:07,319
Speaker 1: like like a bull's eye that's like constantly expanding and contracting,

657
00:40:07,440 --> 00:40:10,680
Speaker 1: and it's really mesmera. It looks like like you're being

658
00:40:10,800 --> 00:40:14,360
Speaker 1: hypnotized by the bees, and it's mesmerizing and it makes

659
00:40:14,440 --> 00:40:18,800
Speaker 1: the potential predators like wasps or birds that might otherwise

660
00:40:18,840 --> 00:40:22,480
Speaker 1: try to like attack the hive like it. It intimidates them,

661
00:40:22,520 --> 00:40:24,759
Speaker 1: and it confuses them, and it makes them not want

662
00:40:24,760 --> 00:40:27,080
Speaker 1: to approach. So that's the thought of like, well, maybe

663
00:40:27,160 --> 00:40:31,279
Speaker 1: this is what murmurations do. They basically scare off predators

664
00:40:31,520 --> 00:40:34,920
Speaker 1: from the area or confuse them so that they give up.

665
00:40:35,440 --> 00:40:38,759
Speaker 1: But one of the problems with this theory is that

666
00:40:38,920 --> 00:40:44,400
Speaker 1: murmurations last so long that researchers and and animal behavioral

667
00:40:44,680 --> 00:40:48,000
Speaker 1: experts think that that it doesn't quite explain, like, well,

668
00:40:48,040 --> 00:40:49,879
Speaker 1: why would they be out so long? Because if you're

669
00:40:49,920 --> 00:40:53,400
Speaker 1: trying to ward off predators, going back to like a

670
00:40:53,560 --> 00:40:56,920
Speaker 1: roosting area is the safest place to be, So why

671
00:40:57,000 --> 00:40:59,320
Speaker 1: are you spending all of this time out in the

672
00:40:59,440 --> 00:41:02,359
Speaker 1: open doing this behavior that even though it may kind

673
00:41:02,400 --> 00:41:05,560
Speaker 1: of help intimidate some predators, there's definitely a chance that

674
00:41:05,640 --> 00:41:07,840
Speaker 1: like a peregrine falcon is going to come in and

675
00:41:08,000 --> 00:41:10,520
Speaker 1: get some unlucky guy who's like on the edge of

676
00:41:10,640 --> 00:41:12,840
Speaker 1: the flocks. Have they thought maybe they're just kind of

677
00:41:12,880 --> 00:41:16,640
Speaker 1: like having fun. That's actually exactly what they've thought. That's

678
00:41:16,680 --> 00:41:19,840
Speaker 1: a really good point. So the last one of the

679
00:41:20,200 --> 00:41:22,879
Speaker 1: more recent theories about it is that they're just kind

680
00:41:22,920 --> 00:41:29,040
Speaker 1: of having fun. Uh. So, starlings are actually highly intelligent.

681
00:41:29,440 --> 00:41:32,920
Speaker 1: They are one of the types of birds that can

682
00:41:33,200 --> 00:41:37,880
Speaker 1: figure out puzzles. They actually can mimic human voices, similar

683
00:41:38,000 --> 00:41:41,160
Speaker 1: to a parrot, so they can talk. They might not

684
00:41:41,400 --> 00:41:44,000
Speaker 1: know exactly what they're saying, but they can definitely talk.

685
00:41:44,280 --> 00:41:47,480
Speaker 1: They are sometimes a nuisance in some areas because they

686
00:41:47,520 --> 00:41:49,680
Speaker 1: can figure out how to open things, so like they

687
00:41:49,719 --> 00:41:52,000
Speaker 1: can figure out how to open milk bottles, so if

688
00:41:52,080 --> 00:41:55,520
Speaker 1: you get milk delivered to your door, they can get

689
00:41:55,600 --> 00:41:59,120
Speaker 1: into that milk and drink the milk. So they're highly intelligent.

690
00:41:59,560 --> 00:42:02,400
Speaker 1: And we know, the more intelligent and animal is the

691
00:42:02,520 --> 00:42:07,560
Speaker 1: more enrichment and play that they crave. So uh, it

692
00:42:07,840 --> 00:42:12,000
Speaker 1: may be that they are all essentially dancing with each other.

693
00:42:12,160 --> 00:42:16,800
Speaker 1: It could be a form of social engagement that is

694
00:42:16,920 --> 00:42:21,200
Speaker 1: both fun to do and also reinforces these social bonds

695
00:42:21,520 --> 00:42:25,640
Speaker 1: in a big flock of individuals who might otherwise struggle

696
00:42:25,760 --> 00:42:29,440
Speaker 1: to feel a connection with the bigger flock. So yeah, no,

697
00:42:29,600 --> 00:42:33,440
Speaker 1: I mean, you're you're exactly right that this is potentially

698
00:42:33,520 --> 00:42:37,520
Speaker 1: the reason they're just having fun, which I love. Whenever

699
00:42:37,640 --> 00:42:41,920
Speaker 1: we're trying to figure out some kind of weird animal behavior,

700
00:42:42,280 --> 00:42:46,200
Speaker 1: and then someone's just like, well, maybe it's just farting around,

701
00:42:46,280 --> 00:42:48,919
Speaker 1: you know. I mean that's what I would be doing.

702
00:42:50,680 --> 00:42:56,000
Speaker 1: Let's just murmur around. It would be cool murmuring, do

703
00:42:56,080 --> 00:43:00,479
Speaker 1: a little murmuring these some murmurations. Yeah, I want it once.

704
00:43:00,760 --> 00:43:03,000
Speaker 1: I'm so excited about to get my second dose of

705
00:43:03,080 --> 00:43:07,000
Speaker 1: the vaccine. I don't murmurate once. Once we're out of quarantine,

706
00:43:07,040 --> 00:43:11,080
Speaker 1: Let's all murmurate. Let's all memorate. You want to, Okay,

707
00:43:11,200 --> 00:43:13,919
Speaker 1: let's let's find find a place to find time. Let's

708
00:43:13,960 --> 00:43:16,359
Speaker 1: all get together murmurate. I like. I like the idea

709
00:43:16,400 --> 00:43:18,880
Speaker 1: of murmurating because it doesn't really sound like what you

710
00:43:19,000 --> 00:43:21,960
Speaker 1: think it is. Right, we're all just out here mmorating

711
00:43:22,920 --> 00:43:26,840
Speaker 1: it again, sounds like something that Amethyst would star is like,

712
00:43:27,080 --> 00:43:29,560
Speaker 1: Chinlie like Hi, So we're going to meet up at

713
00:43:29,600 --> 00:43:33,080
Speaker 1: the beach and we're gonna have our octopus bet holes

714
00:43:33,239 --> 00:43:36,239
Speaker 1: with us, and we're gonna memorate. We're gonna murmur it.

715
00:43:36,640 --> 00:43:39,800
Speaker 1: We're gonna memurate for forty five minutes and really open

716
00:43:39,840 --> 00:43:43,640
Speaker 1: our consciousness that I'm actually taking a murmur it memoration

717
00:43:43,800 --> 00:43:47,839
Speaker 1: class with amethysts would start teaching it so right, it's

718
00:43:47,920 --> 00:43:50,759
Speaker 1: hard to get into wait listed for years. I know,

719
00:43:51,000 --> 00:43:53,640
Speaker 1: I know. But the frustrating thing she's always trying to

720
00:43:53,760 --> 00:43:58,919
Speaker 1: like sell you stuff like Jade's just and I've bought

721
00:43:59,000 --> 00:44:04,160
Speaker 1: them all. I can't stop. She's just so convincing. It's

722
00:44:04,200 --> 00:44:07,799
Speaker 1: the soft tone, you know, She's just softly saying, now

723
00:44:07,880 --> 00:44:10,640
Speaker 1: we're now, we're gonna murmurate and I want you to

724
00:44:10,800 --> 00:44:14,920
Speaker 1: spend five minutes with your dead octopus and little mermurate together.

725
00:44:22,640 --> 00:44:27,200
Speaker 1: And what do you know about albatross? Is um that

726
00:44:27,840 --> 00:44:31,560
Speaker 1: that's not the fish. It's not a fish, it's the bird.

727
00:44:32,400 --> 00:44:36,320
Speaker 1: Is it a type of fish too? No? Hang on,

728
00:44:36,920 --> 00:44:40,600
Speaker 1: now you've got me wondering albatross. Oh no, I'm thinking

729
00:44:40,680 --> 00:44:45,680
Speaker 1: of albacore, albacore. Oh wait a second, is there albatross

730
00:44:45,719 --> 00:44:50,080
Speaker 1: fish as well? Albat trust fish? I googled albatross fish

731
00:44:50,400 --> 00:44:53,359
Speaker 1: and Nope, that's just the name of a company. Okay,

732
00:44:53,360 --> 00:44:57,040
Speaker 1: that I'm definitely thinking of albacore. Yeah, I think you're

733
00:44:57,400 --> 00:45:00,080
Speaker 1: thinking of albu core. I don't know of any is

734
00:45:00,239 --> 00:45:04,839
Speaker 1: called an albatross fish. Yeah, I'm thinking of albacore, albacore yeah, Now,

735
00:45:04,920 --> 00:45:08,160
Speaker 1: albatross is a bird. Albacore is a type of tuna.

736
00:45:08,680 --> 00:45:12,440
Speaker 1: Got it. And a manticor is like a lion, a

737
00:45:12,600 --> 00:45:18,200
Speaker 1: flying lion, demon flying I'm sorry what flying flying lion?

738
00:45:18,320 --> 00:45:21,479
Speaker 1: Deep amanticore? Isn't that like a lion with a scorpion tail?

739
00:45:21,680 --> 00:45:24,480
Speaker 1: Manticor I've never even I've never even heard of a

740
00:45:24,680 --> 00:45:27,960
Speaker 1: horde of that. It's a flying lion with a scorpion

741
00:45:28,040 --> 00:45:31,799
Speaker 1: tail and a human face. Is a manticor? Oh? Oh,

742
00:45:32,239 --> 00:45:35,880
Speaker 1: this is the it's from. It's I think of it

743
00:45:35,960 --> 00:45:39,560
Speaker 1: as like a sphinx, right, not really a sphinx, it's

744
00:45:39,680 --> 00:45:45,280
Speaker 1: a but this is male. Yeah, this is typically Uranian culture. Actually,

745
00:45:45,400 --> 00:45:49,560
Speaker 1: we have the like on our there's like, that's what

746
00:45:49,760 --> 00:45:51,960
Speaker 1: I've never known it was called a manticor. Maybe I

747
00:45:52,000 --> 00:45:55,200
Speaker 1: think of it as like, yeah, it's like a mythical

748
00:45:55,360 --> 00:45:58,680
Speaker 1: Persian creature. Wow, I've never even known that it was

749
00:45:58,680 --> 00:46:02,720
Speaker 1: called amanticre news to me. Yeah, it's that is cool.

750
00:46:03,320 --> 00:46:06,600
Speaker 1: What's like, what are the myths surrounding it? It's like

751
00:46:06,880 --> 00:46:09,520
Speaker 1: you can't conquer it, basically, I don't know. It's like this,

752
00:46:09,680 --> 00:46:16,879
Speaker 1: it's apparently like the strongest creature, mythical creature. I mean

753
00:46:16,920 --> 00:46:20,400
Speaker 1: it it is a lion with a scorpion tail and

754
00:46:20,480 --> 00:46:26,080
Speaker 1: it can fly, so I believe it. Yeah, it's all

755
00:46:26,560 --> 00:46:28,279
Speaker 1: the thing. I only know like what it's called and

756
00:46:28,360 --> 00:46:31,440
Speaker 1: Farsi because I've legitimately like never spoken about this thing.

757
00:46:32,280 --> 00:46:34,440
Speaker 1: What what is it called in Farsi? It's like a

758
00:46:38,000 --> 00:46:40,400
Speaker 1: It's like a maddio like something like that, like a

759
00:46:41,360 --> 00:46:43,800
Speaker 1: it's very similar. Actually, now that I'm like saying it

760
00:46:43,920 --> 00:46:46,040
Speaker 1: and thinking about it, it makes sense that it's a

761
00:46:46,120 --> 00:46:51,759
Speaker 1: manticore because it's like madia how mad. So it's like

762
00:46:52,520 --> 00:46:59,120
Speaker 1: man person or like a human. Honestly, I don't know

763
00:46:59,160 --> 00:47:01,279
Speaker 1: how to trains. I'm not very good at like translating

764
00:47:01,320 --> 00:47:03,560
Speaker 1: certain things from Farsi to English because I just like

765
00:47:03,680 --> 00:47:07,239
Speaker 1: don't know the roots and stuff because I'm not like

766
00:47:07,360 --> 00:47:09,840
Speaker 1: I didn't take Farsi in school. I'm just learned it

767
00:47:09,920 --> 00:47:12,440
Speaker 1: speaking growing up in my family and like speaking kind

768
00:47:12,440 --> 00:47:15,000
Speaker 1: of more of a slang Farsi. Um. I mean, I

769
00:47:15,080 --> 00:47:17,680
Speaker 1: don't mean to like be like now suddenly be an

770
00:47:17,800 --> 00:47:21,760
Speaker 1: etymology scholar. It's mad whole, but like I don't understand

771
00:47:21,840 --> 00:47:24,840
Speaker 1: why it's like man man who eats or something like

772
00:47:25,000 --> 00:47:30,040
Speaker 1: that man eater. I just googled manticore etymology and it's

773
00:47:30,080 --> 00:47:33,160
Speaker 1: the same thing. For Manticore, it's man. It's a from

774
00:47:33,239 --> 00:47:38,279
Speaker 1: the Greek mantic chorus uh from an oh no and

775
00:47:38,440 --> 00:47:43,800
Speaker 1: actually corrupt reading an Aristotle for marte corus, which is

776
00:47:43,880 --> 00:47:46,640
Speaker 1: from an Old Persian word meaning man eaters. So the

777
00:47:46,719 --> 00:47:49,719
Speaker 1: Greek actually got it from the Middle East. Okay, that

778
00:47:49,840 --> 00:47:52,759
Speaker 1: makes sense because to me it literally mad whole means

779
00:47:52,880 --> 00:47:55,600
Speaker 1: literally like man. I guess it makes sense man eat right.

780
00:47:55,640 --> 00:47:57,400
Speaker 1: I couldn't connect that in my mind though in the

781
00:47:57,440 --> 00:47:58,920
Speaker 1: moment when you asked me, I was like a man

782
00:47:59,040 --> 00:48:03,360
Speaker 1: to eat cobetti. Obviously man eater. That makes that's so

783
00:48:03,560 --> 00:48:05,600
Speaker 1: obviously in front of you. But man, you can eat.

784
00:48:06,600 --> 00:48:11,040
Speaker 1: I alwaysh we had that, folks, that's the fussy saying

785
00:48:11,120 --> 00:48:13,440
Speaker 1: of it. But Manticor, now it all makes sense and

786
00:48:13,480 --> 00:48:17,600
Speaker 1: that and that's an English word for it. Manticore comes

787
00:48:17,800 --> 00:48:21,640
Speaker 1: from from the Greek word, which in turn comes from

788
00:48:21,840 --> 00:48:25,480
Speaker 1: the Old Persian words. So like it's just a big,

789
00:48:25,920 --> 00:48:31,200
Speaker 1: big circle. Yeah, comes full circle. So we got from

790
00:48:31,520 --> 00:48:34,680
Speaker 1: to Manticor because we started at Albatross and then we

791
00:48:34,760 --> 00:48:37,920
Speaker 1: went to Albacore, and then we went to Manticora. So

792
00:48:38,040 --> 00:48:41,799
Speaker 1: let's back it up to albatros. But speaking of more

793
00:48:42,000 --> 00:48:45,239
Speaker 1: myths and legends, I want to talk about how the

794
00:48:45,480 --> 00:48:50,279
Speaker 1: expression and albatross around your neck comes from. Have you

795
00:48:50,440 --> 00:48:53,680
Speaker 1: heard that? Like expression? It's not used as much I

796
00:48:53,800 --> 00:48:57,120
Speaker 1: think nowadays, but there's like this expression like, oh, it's

797
00:48:57,160 --> 00:48:59,320
Speaker 1: like an albatross around my neck or this thing is

798
00:48:59,360 --> 00:49:02,080
Speaker 1: a real album trust around my neck. No, I've never

799
00:49:02,160 --> 00:49:05,200
Speaker 1: heard that. God, you're making me feel like an old person.

800
00:49:05,880 --> 00:49:09,279
Speaker 1: I literally, like Katie, me and my friends don't talk

801
00:49:09,280 --> 00:49:13,000
Speaker 1: about these kinds of things. But it's, like, I mean,

802
00:49:13,239 --> 00:49:15,000
Speaker 1: to be fair, I guess I've never really heard it

803
00:49:15,600 --> 00:49:20,560
Speaker 1: in real life growing up. It's just an expression, an

804
00:49:20,640 --> 00:49:24,000
Speaker 1: expression I guess that used to be used more often

805
00:49:24,040 --> 00:49:26,000
Speaker 1: than it is now. Well, you know, the other thing

806
00:49:26,120 --> 00:49:28,360
Speaker 1: is I was raised by Persian immigrants to like, I

807
00:49:28,440 --> 00:49:31,239
Speaker 1: don't know a lot of like classic American sayings or

808
00:49:31,239 --> 00:49:34,120
Speaker 1: anything like that, because my parents don't. They don't say

809
00:49:34,120 --> 00:49:35,440
Speaker 1: that kind of stuff, you know, They're just they have

810
00:49:35,520 --> 00:49:37,400
Speaker 1: their own I know, like a lot of weird Persian

811
00:49:37,480 --> 00:49:39,800
Speaker 1: sayings where I'm like, what does that even mean? You know,

812
00:49:39,840 --> 00:49:44,080
Speaker 1: because it doesn't translate correctly to English. But like American

813
00:49:44,200 --> 00:49:46,839
Speaker 1: sayings and stuff like that are actually a big blind

814
00:49:46,920 --> 00:49:51,080
Speaker 1: spot of mine. I just don't know. It might even

815
00:49:51,120 --> 00:49:53,919
Speaker 1: be more of a British thing than American because I've

816
00:49:53,960 --> 00:49:57,440
Speaker 1: only ever seen it, like in I've only ever i think,

817
00:49:57,520 --> 00:50:00,560
Speaker 1: seen it British people use it. I've never heard it,

818
00:50:00,600 --> 00:50:02,719
Speaker 1: like I've never heard it growing up. I've never heard

819
00:50:02,760 --> 00:50:05,440
Speaker 1: it used it in like you know, maybe like in

820
00:50:05,560 --> 00:50:08,160
Speaker 1: a New York Times article. I've seen it. But they're

821
00:50:08,920 --> 00:50:13,160
Speaker 1: ridiculous people. You're right for the New York Times. Oh yeah,

822
00:50:13,600 --> 00:50:16,600
Speaker 1: but yeah, the the legend behind this saying is actually

823
00:50:16,640 --> 00:50:18,839
Speaker 1: really interesting. So even if you've never heard the term

824
00:50:19,000 --> 00:50:22,719
Speaker 1: an albatross across around your neck, where it comes from

825
00:50:22,920 --> 00:50:26,680
Speaker 1: is ridiculous. So it's actually, uh so an albatross around

826
00:50:26,680 --> 00:50:30,279
Speaker 1: your neck just for for people who are younger than

827
00:50:30,360 --> 00:50:36,239
Speaker 1: me or don't read the same weird old books or whatever. Uh,

828
00:50:36,480 --> 00:50:39,800
Speaker 1: it's like it's a burden you are forced to be

829
00:50:40,000 --> 00:50:43,719
Speaker 1: responsible for. So like you know, I don't know an

830
00:50:43,760 --> 00:50:47,480
Speaker 1: example like, ah, this car is broken down, so it's

831
00:50:47,520 --> 00:50:51,480
Speaker 1: like an albatross. It's an albatross around my neck or uh,

832
00:50:52,440 --> 00:50:54,640
Speaker 1: it's like it's like something that's like holding you down

833
00:50:54,760 --> 00:50:56,920
Speaker 1: when it doesn't necessarily need to be. It's like a

834
00:50:58,000 --> 00:51:04,399
Speaker 1: useless almost yeah, inconvenience, but you're but you're still responsible

835
00:51:04,520 --> 00:51:07,560
Speaker 1: for it, so you have to deal with it. But

836
00:51:07,719 --> 00:51:13,040
Speaker 1: it's actually from a poem in the late eighteenth century

837
00:51:13,600 --> 00:51:17,880
Speaker 1: written by Samuel Taylor Coolidge called the Rhyme of the

838
00:51:18,040 --> 00:51:21,960
Speaker 1: Ancient Mariner. And so it's like when I say poem,

839
00:51:22,280 --> 00:51:24,719
Speaker 1: it's one of those old poems where they're like, I'm

840
00:51:24,760 --> 00:51:27,960
Speaker 1: gonna write a book sized poems. Uh, it's it's not

841
00:51:28,120 --> 00:51:31,840
Speaker 1: like one of our modern short poems. Or it's like

842
00:51:32,360 --> 00:51:35,440
Speaker 1: you know, hey there, boss, here's an albatross and it

843
00:51:35,520 --> 00:51:40,800
Speaker 1: makes me cross. Uh. I don't know, like if you

844
00:51:40,960 --> 00:51:45,040
Speaker 1: like write a poem about an albatross, I'm like, albatross, man,

845
00:51:45,160 --> 00:51:49,200
Speaker 1: I'm I'm cross about this albatross. But I'm boss, I'm

846
00:51:49,239 --> 00:51:52,680
Speaker 1: the boss of albatross. But no, this was this is

847
00:51:52,760 --> 00:51:57,200
Speaker 1: an old timey poem that's like thirty pages long. So

848
00:51:58,120 --> 00:52:01,560
Speaker 1: I didn't read it, I'm gonna say that, Uh, but

849
00:52:01,680 --> 00:52:03,640
Speaker 1: I did read the spark notes for it. And now

850
00:52:03,719 --> 00:52:06,680
Speaker 1: I'm going to give you a summary of the spark

851
00:52:06,800 --> 00:52:11,680
Speaker 1: notes of this thirty page long poem. So basically, there's

852
00:52:11,719 --> 00:52:16,920
Speaker 1: like a superstition that killing an albatross at sea brings

853
00:52:17,080 --> 00:52:21,120
Speaker 1: bad luck, and I don't really I don't know where

854
00:52:21,200 --> 00:52:24,520
Speaker 1: that superstition started from. I think it's like albatrosses are

855
00:52:24,560 --> 00:52:28,280
Speaker 1: supposed to be like related to wind spirits or something

856
00:52:28,440 --> 00:52:31,520
Speaker 1: like they're they're good wind spirits and if you kill one,

857
00:52:31,560 --> 00:52:34,400
Speaker 1: you'll piss off the wind spirits, which is bad if

858
00:52:34,400 --> 00:52:37,920
Speaker 1: you're a sailor. But in this poem written by this

859
00:52:38,000 --> 00:52:41,520
Speaker 1: old English dude, uh, one of the sailors does kill

860
00:52:41,560 --> 00:52:45,359
Speaker 1: an albatross because that's you know, just like, well, I'm

861
00:52:45,400 --> 00:52:50,040
Speaker 1: gonna kill albatross. And this causes angry spirits to push

862
00:52:50,239 --> 00:52:55,200
Speaker 1: their ship into the equator, where it becomes uh be stilled,

863
00:52:55,600 --> 00:52:58,640
Speaker 1: which basically the wind stop and the ship is just

864
00:52:58,680 --> 00:53:01,800
Speaker 1: stuck in there, and so they're all uh going to

865
00:53:02,120 --> 00:53:07,839
Speaker 1: starve and thirst to death. But still no, no, it's

866
00:53:08,160 --> 00:53:12,000
Speaker 1: be calmed. Sorry it's called the calmed. But could happen,

867
00:53:12,520 --> 00:53:14,520
Speaker 1: Yeah if back in the old times, like if you

868
00:53:14,640 --> 00:53:17,440
Speaker 1: had a ship that runs entirely on wind power and

869
00:53:17,480 --> 00:53:20,880
Speaker 1: the winds stop, you're kind of screwed if the winds

870
00:53:20,920 --> 00:53:23,360
Speaker 1: don't start back up again. What about paddling? Can you

871
00:53:23,560 --> 00:53:26,040
Speaker 1: get your paddles out? Or is the boat. It's a

872
00:53:26,120 --> 00:53:29,160
Speaker 1: big boat, pretty big boat. I mean, the Vikings did

873
00:53:29,320 --> 00:53:32,400
Speaker 1: do paddling with their big boats because they would like

874
00:53:32,600 --> 00:53:35,400
Speaker 1: enslave people and make them man all the paddles. But

875
00:53:36,760 --> 00:53:38,480
Speaker 1: I don't I think like if you're in like a

876
00:53:40,680 --> 00:53:45,520
Speaker 1: you know, like like eighteenth century uh boat and you

877
00:53:45,640 --> 00:53:47,839
Speaker 1: just got those big sales and there's no wind, you're

878
00:53:47,880 --> 00:53:52,480
Speaker 1: you're kind of doomed. Um. But uh so yeah, so

879
00:53:52,600 --> 00:53:56,000
Speaker 1: like all the other sailors blames the bird murderer, uh

880
00:53:56,440 --> 00:54:00,120
Speaker 1: for causing this to happen, and as punishment they or

881
00:54:00,239 --> 00:54:03,279
Speaker 1: him to wear the dead albatross around his neck since

882
00:54:03,400 --> 00:54:05,200
Speaker 1: now they're all going to die of thirst and they're

883
00:54:05,239 --> 00:54:06,719
Speaker 1: mad at them, and it's like this is your fault.

884
00:54:06,800 --> 00:54:11,919
Speaker 1: Now you have to wear this albatross. That's that's very York. Yeah.

885
00:54:12,080 --> 00:54:14,719
Speaker 1: Did she wear a swan or something? Same thing, because

886
00:54:14,760 --> 00:54:17,840
Speaker 1: the neck went around her neck and was like the

887
00:54:17,920 --> 00:54:20,440
Speaker 1: halter if you will, That's what I think of immediately,

888
00:54:20,960 --> 00:54:24,600
Speaker 1: and that generated so much like media controversy that she

889
00:54:24,680 --> 00:54:27,320
Speaker 1: always had to address in interviews and stuff that like,

890
00:54:27,840 --> 00:54:31,840
Speaker 1: it wasn't that itself an albatross around her neck. The

891
00:54:31,960 --> 00:54:34,960
Speaker 1: swan dress around her neck was an albatross around her neck.

892
00:54:35,320 --> 00:54:39,400
Speaker 1: I'm snapping because of how was thank you. I appreciate it.

893
00:54:39,520 --> 00:54:42,279
Speaker 1: I appreciate it that and that's that's how good I

894
00:54:42,360 --> 00:54:47,120
Speaker 1: am at literary analysis or New York analysis. Anyways. Yeah,

895
00:54:47,400 --> 00:54:49,200
Speaker 1: the rest of the story gets really weird, so I

896
00:54:49,239 --> 00:54:52,879
Speaker 1: do want to talk about it. Basically, so they're mad

897
00:54:52,920 --> 00:54:54,479
Speaker 1: at this guy to make them wear a dead bird.

898
00:54:54,880 --> 00:54:57,680
Speaker 1: Then the spirit of death comes on a death ship

899
00:54:57,880 --> 00:55:01,160
Speaker 1: and punishes all the sailors by having them slowly die

900
00:55:01,320 --> 00:55:05,000
Speaker 1: one by one, but punishes the bird murderer even more

901
00:55:05,160 --> 00:55:07,480
Speaker 1: by making him undead and have to watch all his

902
00:55:07,600 --> 00:55:10,759
Speaker 1: crewmates die and their corpses rot. This story goes from

903
00:55:10,880 --> 00:55:14,200
Speaker 1: zero to a hundred really fast. Uh. And then the

904
00:55:14,280 --> 00:55:17,040
Speaker 1: bird murderer is just like languishing on the ship and

905
00:55:17,160 --> 00:55:19,160
Speaker 1: he has a change of heart and he's like staring

906
00:55:19,200 --> 00:55:21,560
Speaker 1: into the ocean, going like I love all the animals

907
00:55:21,600 --> 00:55:24,239
Speaker 1: in the sea. And then the spirits are like, ah,

908
00:55:24,400 --> 00:55:26,279
Speaker 1: so you learned your lesson and all we had to

909
00:55:26,360 --> 00:55:29,520
Speaker 1: do was kill everyone on your ship. So then the

910
00:55:29,760 --> 00:55:33,520
Speaker 1: wind spirits like guide the ship back to shore. Uh.

911
00:55:33,800 --> 00:55:37,120
Speaker 1: And then like a big whirlpool eats the whole ship

912
00:55:37,280 --> 00:55:40,960
Speaker 1: and all the undead. Oh wait, I forgot the spirits

913
00:55:41,080 --> 00:55:44,200
Speaker 1: do inhabit the rotting bodies of all his crewmates, brings

914
00:55:44,239 --> 00:55:46,560
Speaker 1: them back alife enough so that they can man the

915
00:55:46,600 --> 00:55:48,480
Speaker 1: ship and get it back to shore, which is I

916
00:55:48,560 --> 00:55:51,920
Speaker 1: guess nice of them. But then only the mariner, the

917
00:55:52,320 --> 00:55:55,760
Speaker 1: bird murder guy like escapes the ship as it's getting

918
00:55:55,800 --> 00:55:58,120
Speaker 1: sucked into a whirlpool, and then he gets saved by

919
00:55:58,360 --> 00:56:02,560
Speaker 1: a couple of fishers, and then he his punishment is

920
00:56:02,760 --> 00:56:06,600
Speaker 1: like he has to spend eternity wandering the earth telling

921
00:56:06,680 --> 00:56:10,720
Speaker 1: his bird murder story and how it's wrong to murder birds.

922
00:56:11,160 --> 00:56:13,680
Speaker 1: Don't do it, or else all your friends will get

923
00:56:13,760 --> 00:56:19,200
Speaker 1: turned into zombies and then suck into a whirlpool. I

924
00:56:19,320 --> 00:56:23,440
Speaker 1: don't know. I don't like that at all. That escalated

925
00:56:23,600 --> 00:56:27,160
Speaker 1: so quickly. I know. It was like, also, what is

926
00:56:27,239 --> 00:56:29,440
Speaker 1: with Like why would they punish all of the other

927
00:56:29,600 --> 00:56:33,000
Speaker 1: sailors like they killed them all? I mean, I guess

928
00:56:33,080 --> 00:56:36,719
Speaker 1: he's like eternally damned or something. Is his punishment, He's

929
00:56:36,760 --> 00:56:40,040
Speaker 1: got to tell this bird story. Oh and also he's

930
00:56:40,080 --> 00:56:44,640
Speaker 1: telling the story at someone's wedding, I think, And that's like, yeah,

931
00:56:44,760 --> 00:56:47,879
Speaker 1: so he's like this old, like creepy sailor guy comes

932
00:56:47,920 --> 00:56:51,320
Speaker 1: to your wedding. He's like, Mom, actually a bird murder Mbie,

933
00:56:52,920 --> 00:56:57,440
Speaker 1: just bad vibes. Actually murdered a bird. Now my zombie

934
00:56:57,480 --> 00:57:00,279
Speaker 1: doomed to patrol the land and tell everybody up my

935
00:57:00,400 --> 00:57:03,000
Speaker 1: store about how murdered a bird. He's like that guy

936
00:57:03,120 --> 00:57:05,600
Speaker 1: you start talking to not realizing you're about to be

937
00:57:05,640 --> 00:57:08,160
Speaker 1: in a conversation with him for two hours, and you're like,

938
00:57:08,280 --> 00:57:11,279
Speaker 1: oh my god, wrap it up. Yeah. I had that

939
00:57:11,719 --> 00:57:14,880
Speaker 1: at a cafe where someone came up to me and

940
00:57:15,000 --> 00:57:18,200
Speaker 1: started crying about how like he met Katie Perry and

941
00:57:18,560 --> 00:57:21,080
Speaker 1: like how she needs to take better care of her skin.

942
00:57:21,600 --> 00:57:24,400
Speaker 1: And while I think that conversation was only two minutes,

943
00:57:24,440 --> 00:57:27,120
Speaker 1: it's certainly felt like two hours. Well those are some

944
00:57:27,240 --> 00:57:29,200
Speaker 1: thoughts that you really have to know what's going on

945
00:57:29,440 --> 00:57:33,240
Speaker 1: to like engage with, like what her skin right now?

946
00:57:33,320 --> 00:57:36,480
Speaker 1: And he was like full on, like sobbing and about it.

947
00:57:36,640 --> 00:57:39,840
Speaker 1: And I didn't. It's a complete stranger, and like just

948
00:57:39,920 --> 00:57:42,520
Speaker 1: sat at my table and was like like I just

949
00:57:42,880 --> 00:57:45,600
Speaker 1: came back from a party with Katie Perry and like

950
00:57:46,120 --> 00:57:48,680
Speaker 1: this girl, like she needs to take better care of herself.

951
00:57:48,800 --> 00:57:52,920
Speaker 1: And it's like I don't think he was lying, But

952
00:57:53,080 --> 00:57:55,000
Speaker 1: I do think it was because, like you know, we

953
00:57:55,120 --> 00:57:58,640
Speaker 1: live in l A. Anything's possible. But I was scared

954
00:57:59,200 --> 00:58:02,640
Speaker 1: of what was happening because I it's like I, I

955
00:58:02,760 --> 00:58:06,240
Speaker 1: don't I don't know Katy Perry. Maybe talk to her

956
00:58:06,280 --> 00:58:13,280
Speaker 1: about this. I'm not a dermatologist either, please, sir you Yeah, like,

957
00:58:13,440 --> 00:58:16,280
Speaker 1: may I enjoy my little soup and piece? Sir? No?

958
00:58:16,600 --> 00:58:18,720
Speaker 1: All right, I guess we're having this conversation. Then this

959
00:58:18,880 --> 00:58:24,200
Speaker 1: is great. That's like such a before time story that

960
00:58:24,200 --> 00:58:26,920
Speaker 1: would never happened today. No one's lot near anyone anymore.

961
00:58:27,640 --> 00:58:31,000
Speaker 1: Someone took too many drugs at Katy Perry's party, got

962
00:58:31,040 --> 00:58:34,000
Speaker 1: really weepy and decided to approach a stranger about Katy

963
00:58:34,080 --> 00:58:38,320
Speaker 1: Perry's a need to do better skincare regemen. Yeah, it's great.

964
00:58:38,520 --> 00:58:43,040
Speaker 1: I feel for her anyways, that's the modern uh the

965
00:58:43,200 --> 00:58:46,040
Speaker 1: rhyme of the ancient mariner tale. I guess I should

966
00:58:46,040 --> 00:58:49,320
Speaker 1: write a thirty page poem about that. But albatross is

967
00:58:49,520 --> 00:58:51,840
Speaker 1: this is an animal show. Let's talk about the real

968
00:58:51,960 --> 00:58:54,720
Speaker 1: life albatross is and what they are. So what is

969
00:58:54,960 --> 00:59:00,160
Speaker 1: an albatross? Is it just like a really big seagull? Uh? No,

970
00:59:01,800 --> 00:59:05,880
Speaker 1: it's not there. You go Answer Solved podcast over. No,

971
00:59:05,960 --> 00:59:09,400
Speaker 1: I'm kidding. So albatrosses are a family of some of

972
00:59:09,480 --> 00:59:14,000
Speaker 1: the largest seabirds and one of the best terrestrial flyers

973
00:59:14,240 --> 00:59:19,320
Speaker 1: in the world. Uh So, despite their amazing flying abilities

974
00:59:19,600 --> 00:59:24,600
Speaker 1: and similar look to a seagull, albatrosses are more closely

975
00:59:24,720 --> 00:59:31,240
Speaker 1: related to penguins than two seagulls, which is again another

976
00:59:31,440 --> 00:59:34,800
Speaker 1: like kind of bonkers like evolutionary thing. We looked at

977
00:59:34,880 --> 00:59:38,240
Speaker 1: the flying squirrel and the sugar glitter and colugo, it's

978
00:59:38,280 --> 00:59:41,120
Speaker 1: like these are not at all related. Well, yeah, the

979
00:59:41,480 --> 00:59:45,080
Speaker 1: the albatross is more closely related to a little waddling

980
00:59:45,200 --> 00:59:50,280
Speaker 1: penguin than it is to a seagull. While I'm looking

981
00:59:50,360 --> 00:59:52,800
Speaker 1: up the photos to compare, they definitely have they have

982
00:59:52,960 --> 00:59:57,320
Speaker 1: like the penguin base, but they have the seagull beak.

983
00:59:57,800 --> 01:00:01,560
Speaker 1: It's strange, right, because penguins are are not good flyers

984
01:00:01,760 --> 01:00:05,960
Speaker 1: because they can't fly at all, they're zero flyers, but

985
01:00:06,120 --> 01:00:10,400
Speaker 1: they have adapted to become very efficient swimmers, whereas albatross

986
01:00:10,480 --> 01:00:13,720
Speaker 1: is adapted to become the world's most efficient flyers. So

987
01:00:13,800 --> 01:00:17,640
Speaker 1: it's just kind of incredible the twists and turns that

988
01:00:18,000 --> 01:00:22,640
Speaker 1: evolution can take. Yeah. Wow, So there are somewhere between

989
01:00:22,840 --> 01:00:27,280
Speaker 1: thirteen to twenty four species of albatross. Uh. The reason

990
01:00:27,360 --> 01:00:30,640
Speaker 1: this number is variable is that there are disagreements on

991
01:00:30,880 --> 01:00:35,400
Speaker 1: some of the taxonomy, like whether there's like a species

992
01:00:35,440 --> 01:00:38,080
Speaker 1: that's actually two species, or if it's one species, or

993
01:00:38,080 --> 01:00:40,560
Speaker 1: if it's truly an albatross like blah blah blah. You know,

994
01:00:40,680 --> 01:00:43,400
Speaker 1: I I'm not gonna get into it because I'm if I,

995
01:00:43,640 --> 01:00:47,240
Speaker 1: like try to weigh in on the controversy, the albatross controversy,

996
01:00:47,280 --> 01:00:50,760
Speaker 1: I'm going to get like some very angry letters from

997
01:00:50,840 --> 01:00:55,800
Speaker 1: like albatross experts, like, don't at us about this. We're

998
01:00:55,880 --> 01:00:59,240
Speaker 1: just two little ladies trying to figure it out. I

999
01:00:59,400 --> 01:01:03,400
Speaker 1: can't get attacked by albatross twitter, I'll be ruined. So

1000
01:01:03,880 --> 01:01:07,600
Speaker 1: the largest albatross and one of the largest birds in

1001
01:01:07,680 --> 01:01:12,160
Speaker 1: the world are the wanderer albatrosses and the Southern royal

1002
01:01:12,280 --> 01:01:17,760
Speaker 1: albatross species who they both live around the southern Oceans,

1003
01:01:18,320 --> 01:01:21,800
Speaker 1: and they have the largest wingspan in the world of

1004
01:01:22,000 --> 01:01:28,520
Speaker 1: up to eleven feet or three point five meters. They

1005
01:01:28,560 --> 01:01:33,320
Speaker 1: are taller like if when they stand wing to wing. Uh,

1006
01:01:33,400 --> 01:01:37,080
Speaker 1: They're taller than basically every human except for maybe a

1007
01:01:37,120 --> 01:01:42,560
Speaker 1: few outliers. Um, are they taller than Shack? Yes? Is it? Well?

1008
01:01:42,560 --> 01:01:45,080
Speaker 1: I mean Shack's not eleven feet tall, right, I don't

1009
01:01:45,120 --> 01:01:48,000
Speaker 1: know anymore, Katie. This is because it's just a wild

1010
01:01:48,120 --> 01:01:54,440
Speaker 1: They're so big. I'm googling it to my Google search

1011
01:01:54,640 --> 01:01:58,439
Speaker 1: of hummingbird hat is shaquille emil. He is a mere

1012
01:01:58,720 --> 01:02:04,000
Speaker 1: seven feet one inch. All what a shrimp? A small guy.

1013
01:02:04,640 --> 01:02:06,720
Speaker 1: And I actually shared an image with you and and

1014
01:02:08,120 --> 01:02:11,080
Speaker 1: I'll share with the listeners as well. It's a full

1015
01:02:11,200 --> 01:02:16,439
Speaker 1: grown human being standing next to one of these birds. Yeah,

1016
01:02:16,520 --> 01:02:21,960
Speaker 1: it's uh, it's like, oh, yeah, they're dinosaurs. They're dinosaurs.

1017
01:02:22,440 --> 01:02:26,000
Speaker 1: Is way too big? Yeah, So how what do they

1018
01:02:26,080 --> 01:02:30,480
Speaker 1: look like? They tend to be white with pink or

1019
01:02:30,640 --> 01:02:33,680
Speaker 1: yellow long beats with a downward curve at the end,

1020
01:02:34,120 --> 01:02:37,520
Speaker 1: and they can have gray brown and yellow markings. So

1021
01:02:37,640 --> 01:02:41,400
Speaker 1: their wings are often dark gray. Uh, And they have

1022
01:02:41,640 --> 01:02:46,360
Speaker 1: what looks like black eyeliner, sometimes very very maybe line

1023
01:02:46,400 --> 01:02:49,560
Speaker 1: maybe it's birds, maybe it's but it's also like a

1024
01:02:49,680 --> 01:02:53,280
Speaker 1: bit of a smokey eye. It's really cute. It's very good.

1025
01:02:53,360 --> 01:02:56,080
Speaker 1: I can't what I wouldn't give to be able to

1026
01:02:56,160 --> 01:02:59,840
Speaker 1: do my eyes like albatrosses do their eyes. It's very good.

1027
01:03:00,640 --> 01:03:03,520
Speaker 1: It's very on point. You wish you could have such

1028
01:03:03,680 --> 01:03:08,919
Speaker 1: great makeup. I know, I wish I could have bird eyes.

1029
01:03:09,320 --> 01:03:14,840
Speaker 1: It sexy eyes like a bird. So speaking of sexy eyes,

1030
01:03:15,080 --> 01:03:18,840
Speaker 1: albatross is mate for life and are very loving. So

1031
01:03:19,320 --> 01:03:21,600
Speaker 1: like I mentioned at the top of the episode, they're

1032
01:03:21,680 --> 01:03:25,120
Speaker 1: kind of like hummingbirds are a little jerkasses when it

1033
01:03:25,240 --> 01:03:29,200
Speaker 1: comes to mating. They fight, Uh, they compete with other males,

1034
01:03:29,240 --> 01:03:32,560
Speaker 1: and they like jous and it's kind of scary. Albatrosses

1035
01:03:32,640 --> 01:03:37,800
Speaker 1: are sweethearts. They're romantic. They select a mate by dancing

1036
01:03:37,920 --> 01:03:41,800
Speaker 1: with them. And basically it's just like a bunch of

1037
01:03:41,920 --> 01:03:45,120
Speaker 1: albatross is all gathered together on an island and they

1038
01:03:45,320 --> 01:03:47,920
Speaker 1: dance with a bunch of different partners and like the

1039
01:03:48,040 --> 01:03:50,600
Speaker 1: part like all on the dance floor, and then partners

1040
01:03:50,680 --> 01:03:53,280
Speaker 1: keep dropping off and separating until they're left with the

1041
01:03:53,360 --> 01:03:56,480
Speaker 1: one partner that they choose, and they dance together and

1042
01:03:56,640 --> 01:04:02,040
Speaker 1: they will mate for life. So they uh, throughout their

1043
01:04:02,720 --> 01:04:05,800
Speaker 1: courtship and throughout their life, they will continue to dance

1044
01:04:05,880 --> 01:04:10,440
Speaker 1: together and do little um move like little gestures of

1045
01:04:10,600 --> 01:04:15,000
Speaker 1: affection like beak bumps and nuzzles to maintain their relationships,

1046
01:04:15,040 --> 01:04:17,920
Speaker 1: so it's adorable. They'll like sit like like beak to

1047
01:04:18,040 --> 01:04:20,520
Speaker 1: beak and like kind of tap their beaks together lovingly.

1048
01:04:20,680 --> 01:04:23,360
Speaker 1: It's so cute. They even come up with their own

1049
01:04:23,480 --> 01:04:26,200
Speaker 1: little love language between the two of them. They have

1050
01:04:26,640 --> 01:04:30,400
Speaker 1: unique calls they only use with their partners. They basically

1051
01:04:30,520 --> 01:04:33,160
Speaker 1: come up with like loving names for each other and

1052
01:04:33,760 --> 01:04:37,040
Speaker 1: unique calls that they use with each other. And the

1053
01:04:37,360 --> 01:04:41,480
Speaker 1: only time they seek out a new partner is if

1054
01:04:41,600 --> 01:04:44,040
Speaker 1: one of them sadly dies, like they they're in it

1055
01:04:44,240 --> 01:04:47,520
Speaker 1: for the long haul ride or die, ride or die baby,

1056
01:04:49,400 --> 01:04:52,080
Speaker 1: and uh yeah, I mean they do sometimes die, so

1057
01:04:52,360 --> 01:04:54,440
Speaker 1: then it's like, well, I guess we don't ride if

1058
01:04:54,480 --> 01:04:57,520
Speaker 1: you're dead, but you know, right or die. It's really

1059
01:04:57,600 --> 01:05:00,920
Speaker 1: important for them to have this monogamous of style because

1060
01:05:01,000 --> 01:05:04,320
Speaker 1: of the way they raise their chicks. So they have

1061
01:05:04,560 --> 01:05:07,479
Speaker 1: one chick at a time and as s torrible little

1062
01:05:07,760 --> 01:05:12,240
Speaker 1: fluff ball, uh and they will stay with the chick

1063
01:05:12,320 --> 01:05:14,640
Speaker 1: to guard it. So one of the parents has to

1064
01:05:14,800 --> 01:05:17,600
Speaker 1: stay and guard this chick because it's helpless and it

1065
01:05:17,680 --> 01:05:20,880
Speaker 1: would be a delicious little nugget for a predator, So

1066
01:05:21,120 --> 01:05:24,439
Speaker 1: one parent stays behind to protect their nest. They will

1067
01:05:25,040 --> 01:05:27,640
Speaker 1: do everything they can to find off predators, while the

1068
01:05:27,800 --> 01:05:31,480
Speaker 1: other parent will be out at sea fishing and they

1069
01:05:31,520 --> 01:05:33,760
Speaker 1: will collect a bunch of fish so that they can

1070
01:05:33,880 --> 01:05:36,200
Speaker 1: come home and they eat the fish. And what they

1071
01:05:36,240 --> 01:05:41,439
Speaker 1: do is they regurgitate special fish vomit uh for their

1072
01:05:41,520 --> 01:05:45,040
Speaker 1: chick to eat when they get back. So the birds

1073
01:05:45,080 --> 01:05:48,240
Speaker 1: are totally reliant on each other to remain faithful. So

1074
01:05:48,360 --> 01:05:52,600
Speaker 1: the bird awaiting will go without food sometimes for days

1075
01:05:52,720 --> 01:05:55,440
Speaker 1: or weeks with their chicken is just relying on their

1076
01:05:55,480 --> 01:05:58,800
Speaker 1: partner to come back. And the partner out at sea

1077
01:05:59,000 --> 01:06:01,120
Speaker 1: has to rely on the partner to stay with the

1078
01:06:01,240 --> 01:06:04,600
Speaker 1: chick uh and and keep it safe. So they alternate

1079
01:06:04,680 --> 01:06:07,720
Speaker 1: to like sometimes the mail will go out for fishing

1080
01:06:07,760 --> 01:06:10,800
Speaker 1: some since the female will go out. So I love

1081
01:06:10,880 --> 01:06:13,920
Speaker 1: the quality in the household right. It's a lot of

1082
01:06:14,000 --> 01:06:18,360
Speaker 1: trust to a lot of trust. And in addition to

1083
01:06:18,520 --> 01:06:24,320
Speaker 1: be adorable spouses and adorably loving parents, they are the

1084
01:06:24,480 --> 01:06:29,160
Speaker 1: world's most efficient flyers. So Alba trusses can rack up

1085
01:06:29,240 --> 01:06:33,560
Speaker 1: a massive number of frequent flyer miles uh. The wandering

1086
01:06:33,640 --> 01:06:38,120
Speaker 1: Alba trust that uncomfortably large one we talked about earlier

1087
01:06:38,920 --> 01:06:45,840
Speaker 1: can fly several million miles in a lifetime. Bird flight

1088
01:06:46,120 --> 01:06:49,320
Speaker 1: like not even on an airplane. They're not like getting

1089
01:06:49,360 --> 01:06:53,000
Speaker 1: on Delta, you know what I mean. I mean they

1090
01:06:53,040 --> 01:06:55,200
Speaker 1: should do, not how many miles they'd have racked up.

1091
01:06:55,280 --> 01:06:57,440
Speaker 1: If they did, Dude, they'd be flying for free for

1092
01:06:57,480 --> 01:07:00,280
Speaker 1: the rest of their lives, free vacations for the rest

1093
01:07:00,360 --> 01:07:03,200
Speaker 1: of their lives. It's a shame that Delta doesn't count

1094
01:07:03,280 --> 01:07:08,280
Speaker 1: bird miles. Their resting heart rate while flying is the

1095
01:07:08,480 --> 01:07:11,640
Speaker 1: same as when they're floating on water. They're able to

1096
01:07:11,920 --> 01:07:17,120
Speaker 1: exert very little effort and glide on strong winds. M

1097
01:07:17,200 --> 01:07:20,400
Speaker 1: I T. Researchers have found that the birds use roller

1098
01:07:20,520 --> 01:07:24,400
Speaker 1: coaster like arcs of flight to ride wind currents called

1099
01:07:24,640 --> 01:07:29,600
Speaker 1: dynamic soaring. So basically they use physics of these wind

1100
01:07:29,640 --> 01:07:33,720
Speaker 1: currents above the sea to glide and ride on them.

1101
01:07:33,800 --> 01:07:36,520
Speaker 1: So they'll like go down and build up momentum and

1102
01:07:36,600 --> 01:07:38,800
Speaker 1: go up a wind current and go down. Whoops, I

1103
01:07:38,880 --> 01:07:41,280
Speaker 1: bump my microphone. But I guess if I was an

1104
01:07:41,320 --> 01:07:48,080
Speaker 1: albatross flying, I would bunk into my microphone like that anyways. Um, yeah,

1105
01:07:48,120 --> 01:07:50,920
Speaker 1: so they totally take advantage of the physics of air

1106
01:07:51,040 --> 01:07:54,040
Speaker 1: currents above the ocean, and they are able to just

1107
01:07:54,160 --> 01:07:57,840
Speaker 1: kind of like glide like an airplane. So like from

1108
01:07:58,200 --> 01:08:01,200
Speaker 1: the they're like the total opposites of the hummingbirds, both

1109
01:08:01,280 --> 01:08:04,959
Speaker 1: in courtship behavior and also like their their their flight

1110
01:08:05,080 --> 01:08:08,640
Speaker 1: where albatrosses are in it for like the long long

1111
01:08:08,760 --> 01:08:14,800
Speaker 1: gliding and hummingbirds are just sort of very very fast,

1112
01:08:15,120 --> 01:08:20,599
Speaker 1: fast and yellow birds. And these are very responsible birds

1113
01:08:20,680 --> 01:08:23,080
Speaker 1: that just want to settle down. Did you say yellow

1114
01:08:23,200 --> 01:08:27,799
Speaker 1: or yolo yolo birds? Uh? The hummingbirds are like yellow.

1115
01:08:28,000 --> 01:08:30,000
Speaker 1: You only live one Okay, That's what I thought you said,

1116
01:08:30,040 --> 01:08:32,840
Speaker 1: But then I was like, there's no way she said that. No,

1117
01:08:33,160 --> 01:08:36,640
Speaker 1: of course, because they like they they live fast, they

1118
01:08:36,720 --> 01:08:40,320
Speaker 1: have shorter lifespans. They have really fast metabolism. They gotta

1119
01:08:40,640 --> 01:08:43,360
Speaker 1: they gotta get from one flower to another. They they

1120
01:08:43,600 --> 01:08:46,559
Speaker 1: do not mate for life. They they yeah, live very

1121
01:08:46,680 --> 01:08:50,639
Speaker 1: fast and furious lifestyles, whereas the albatross has a very

1122
01:08:50,800 --> 01:08:53,720
Speaker 1: long life span and they take stuff more slowly. They

1123
01:08:53,960 --> 01:08:59,400
Speaker 1: kind of live more than Margaritaville lifestyle. Uh. Like. Oh,

1124
01:08:59,600 --> 01:09:05,320
Speaker 1: and speaking of albatross lifespans, guess how old the oldest

1125
01:09:05,360 --> 01:09:09,800
Speaker 1: albatross in the world is after five million miles, let's

1126
01:09:09,840 --> 01:09:17,840
Speaker 1: see thirty. She is seventy years old. Oh my god,

1127
01:09:18,479 --> 01:09:22,360
Speaker 1: and she looks fantastic. I've given you a picture of her.

1128
01:09:22,560 --> 01:09:27,120
Speaker 1: Her name is Wisdom the Albatross, and she is at

1129
01:09:27,240 --> 01:09:32,080
Speaker 1: the very least seventy years old, still rocking, amazing, amazing,

1130
01:09:32,160 --> 01:09:37,519
Speaker 1: smoky eye. And so she lives in Kapa, Hawaii. And

1131
01:09:37,800 --> 01:09:41,800
Speaker 1: she's not only the oldest albatross, she's the oldest known

1132
01:09:42,000 --> 01:09:45,920
Speaker 1: wild bird. So while uh, you may think like, well,

1133
01:09:46,000 --> 01:09:49,599
Speaker 1: there are parents that have potentially lived longer, the birds

1134
01:09:49,680 --> 01:09:52,839
Speaker 1: that have lived longer have been in captivity. So she's

1135
01:09:52,960 --> 01:09:55,720
Speaker 1: a completely wild bird and she's lives this long, which

1136
01:09:56,000 --> 01:09:58,479
Speaker 1: is amazing, and it's harder to live that long in

1137
01:09:58,560 --> 01:10:04,560
Speaker 1: the wild. Um, she's had over forty chicks in her lifetime.

1138
01:10:05,080 --> 01:10:07,680
Speaker 1: And while that like may not seem like a lot,

1139
01:10:08,280 --> 01:10:11,479
Speaker 1: they have one chick at a time. It's like a

1140
01:10:11,680 --> 01:10:15,720
Speaker 1: human being having forty children in a lifetime. No, I

1141
01:10:15,800 --> 01:10:21,519
Speaker 1: think that's a lot. Forty kids. Yeah, no, thank you. Yeah.

1142
01:10:21,640 --> 01:10:28,080
Speaker 1: So she's actually outlived several of her mates. She never divorced.

1143
01:10:28,280 --> 01:10:33,879
Speaker 1: She's never been divorced. She's just like a black widower.

1144
01:10:34,080 --> 01:10:40,360
Speaker 1: Yeah she but yeah, I mean like she's had successful relationships. Um,

1145
01:10:40,640 --> 01:10:44,280
Speaker 1: but are their deaths explained or have they all just

1146
01:10:44,520 --> 01:10:51,280
Speaker 1: mysteriously disappeared. He's got beak marks in his back. Ma'am. Well,

1147
01:10:51,360 --> 01:10:56,880
Speaker 1: I wouldn't know where that came. How interesting, change, police officer.

1148
01:10:56,960 --> 01:11:01,320
Speaker 1: You know, I couldn't possibly be involved. Have I mentioned

1149
01:11:01,360 --> 01:11:06,559
Speaker 1: how beautiful your feathers are? Mrs Officer Bird? Oh well,

1150
01:11:07,080 --> 01:11:09,240
Speaker 1: that's comfy kind of you. How would you like to

1151
01:11:09,280 --> 01:11:15,519
Speaker 1: be Mrs seventy year old albatross lady? Sorry? Mr seventy

1152
01:11:15,600 --> 01:11:19,320
Speaker 1: year old albatross lady. Her beak is you can see

1153
01:11:19,360 --> 01:11:21,519
Speaker 1: her beak has some wear and tear though, like that's

1154
01:11:21,520 --> 01:11:24,200
Speaker 1: the beak of a seventy year old bird. That's what

1155
01:11:24,360 --> 01:11:27,960
Speaker 1: I found really interesting. Her feathers look impeccable, pun intended,

1156
01:11:28,200 --> 01:11:31,439
Speaker 1: but her beak does look marred and like old. Because

1157
01:11:31,680 --> 01:11:35,160
Speaker 1: I wonder if like the feathers, you know, they they

1158
01:11:35,200 --> 01:11:39,360
Speaker 1: probably they regenerate feathers probably more often than they regenerate

1159
01:11:39,479 --> 01:11:43,920
Speaker 1: like that that beak, heartbeak materially al So yeah, it's

1160
01:11:43,960 --> 01:11:46,160
Speaker 1: definitely like that is the beak of a seventy year

1161
01:11:46,160 --> 01:11:50,559
Speaker 1: old bird, A hard smoking, whiskey drinking seventy year old bird.

1162
01:11:50,720 --> 01:11:55,320
Speaker 1: That bird smokes for sure. You're right, you're right. Let

1163
01:11:55,400 --> 01:11:59,719
Speaker 1: me tell you about the time my my fourth husband.

1164
01:12:00,200 --> 01:12:04,639
Speaker 1: How I loved him so much. His name was Mahty.

1165
01:12:05,320 --> 01:12:07,920
Speaker 1: Well he got eaten by a shock, you know how

1166
01:12:08,080 --> 01:12:11,120
Speaker 1: it is. I told him, told him, Matty, you can't

1167
01:12:11,160 --> 01:12:13,640
Speaker 1: wear that bathing suit. That looks like a bunch of

1168
01:12:13,720 --> 01:12:16,920
Speaker 1: hot dogs or shots gonna eat you. And a shock

1169
01:12:17,040 --> 01:12:19,720
Speaker 1: did eat him. But God bless him. He was one

1170
01:12:19,800 --> 01:12:23,960
Speaker 1: of my better husband's. That's a if that bird talks,

1171
01:12:24,080 --> 01:12:28,120
Speaker 1: that's what it sounds like. She's like a little after by,

1172
01:12:28,720 --> 01:12:32,920
Speaker 1: you know, thirty fourth child. You know, I decided I

1173
01:12:33,120 --> 01:12:37,400
Speaker 1: was gonna, you know, get a new man. Well, you know,

1174
01:12:38,200 --> 01:12:41,800
Speaker 1: my thirty fifth child went to art school. I told

1175
01:12:41,880 --> 01:12:44,000
Speaker 1: him he should be a lawyer, but he went to

1176
01:12:44,200 --> 01:12:47,400
Speaker 1: art school. Nobody listens to me. They just said I

1177
01:12:47,760 --> 01:12:51,000
Speaker 1: They just said, don't listen to that old bird. And

1178
01:12:51,080 --> 01:12:54,559
Speaker 1: now here I am. I'm the smartest bird alive. Look

1179
01:12:54,600 --> 01:12:58,120
Speaker 1: at my eye makeup amazing. She's beautiful and she's also

1180
01:12:58,200 --> 01:13:01,040
Speaker 1: like it's weird because she's out of some of her

1181
01:13:01,280 --> 01:13:04,240
Speaker 1: the scientists who have studied her, which is I mean,

1182
01:13:04,880 --> 01:13:08,000
Speaker 1: kind of mind boggling. I guess, like what the scientists

1183
01:13:08,000 --> 01:13:11,800
Speaker 1: who banded her originally, which means like putting a leg

1184
01:13:11,880 --> 01:13:15,080
Speaker 1: band on them. So they can be identified actually died

1185
01:13:15,680 --> 01:13:18,559
Speaker 1: before this bird has. So Look, if I was going

1186
01:13:18,640 --> 01:13:20,519
Speaker 1: to be a bird, that's how I would do it.

1187
01:13:20,560 --> 01:13:25,040
Speaker 1: I would outlive every scientist who tried to stuff. I

1188
01:13:25,200 --> 01:13:28,400
Speaker 1: had a bood watching and that birdwatches thought he could

1189
01:13:28,439 --> 01:13:32,719
Speaker 1: outlive me. No way. List And I smoked five packs

1190
01:13:32,760 --> 01:13:41,080
Speaker 1: a day and I'm still kicking just drinking Martiniz and Martinis. Oh.

1191
01:13:41,200 --> 01:13:45,160
Speaker 1: I love her. It's amazing. Good for her exactly, good

1192
01:13:45,240 --> 01:13:52,160
Speaker 1: for her, for outliving humans, good for her probably hopefully. Yeah,

1193
01:13:53,760 --> 01:13:57,080
Speaker 1: I hope she is like a two year old bird,

1194
01:13:57,240 --> 01:14:01,479
Speaker 1: just rock and rocking it. How old is the bird

1195
01:14:01,680 --> 01:14:04,200
Speaker 1: that's like after her? Like? Is there like a large gap?

1196
01:14:04,800 --> 01:14:09,000
Speaker 1: Like who's the second oldest albatross? This um second oldest

1197
01:14:09,080 --> 01:14:14,559
Speaker 1: albo They search off second oldest albatross, nine oldest birds

1198
01:14:14,600 --> 01:14:17,760
Speaker 1: in the world from Oldest dot Org. For all your

1199
01:14:17,840 --> 01:14:22,599
Speaker 1: needs about old things good, let's see. Oh so, okay,

1200
01:14:22,720 --> 01:14:25,519
Speaker 1: I'll just like, let's in the episode by going through

1201
01:14:25,600 --> 01:14:29,040
Speaker 1: this list of oldest birds, shall we from Oldest dot Org?

1202
01:14:29,760 --> 01:14:35,439
Speaker 1: As you do, I'll put cue some cue, some dramatic

1203
01:14:35,600 --> 01:14:40,160
Speaker 1: music over this. Uh So. In Chile, uh the oldest

1204
01:14:40,360 --> 01:14:45,360
Speaker 1: flamingo is believed to be in her her sixties. Wow,

1205
01:14:46,040 --> 01:14:48,800
Speaker 1: flamingo in her sixties. Now that is like really like

1206
01:14:48,920 --> 01:14:53,000
Speaker 1: a retired woman of flamingo. Yeah, she still looks gorgeous.

1207
01:14:53,720 --> 01:14:57,679
Speaker 1: Of course they list Wisdom here. Um, now wait a minute,

1208
01:14:58,160 --> 01:15:00,719
Speaker 1: Oh I see so the one of the oldest birds

1209
01:15:00,760 --> 01:15:04,640
Speaker 1: in the world is actually a captive bird in Beardsley

1210
01:15:04,760 --> 01:15:10,120
Speaker 1: Zoo in Connecticut. He is a male Andean condor who

1211
01:15:10,240 --> 01:15:12,920
Speaker 1: is eighty years old or was. No, wait, he was

1212
01:15:13,040 --> 01:15:15,880
Speaker 1: eighty years old, and I don't know if he's still alive,

1213
01:15:16,000 --> 01:15:19,599
Speaker 1: but that is respectable. Now he does look eighty years old.

1214
01:15:19,640 --> 01:15:26,080
Speaker 1: I gotta say. Now it as he met Wisdom. You

1215
01:15:26,240 --> 01:15:29,439
Speaker 1: can't matter. You can't play matchmaker with these birds now

1216
01:15:31,200 --> 01:15:36,760
Speaker 1: because because they would be perfect. I don't know, maybe

1217
01:15:36,800 --> 01:15:39,640
Speaker 1: wisdoms into like like young guys, you know what I mean,

1218
01:15:40,840 --> 01:15:45,000
Speaker 1: young birds. Let's see a real real cougar. Oh my god,

1219
01:15:45,080 --> 01:15:48,839
Speaker 1: he's so handsome he is. I like his little puffy

1220
01:15:49,000 --> 01:15:53,080
Speaker 1: white neckroff. I think that really brings another level to

1221
01:15:53,160 --> 01:15:55,280
Speaker 1: his style. You know what, I actually agree with you now,

1222
01:15:55,320 --> 01:15:59,360
Speaker 1: I do think that he and Wisdom share a similar aesthetic.

1223
01:16:00,160 --> 01:16:02,640
Speaker 1: Let's let's try and get them, get them to me.

1224
01:16:02,840 --> 01:16:07,840
Speaker 1: I mean he may disappear. Yeah, there's another flamingo at

1225
01:16:07,960 --> 01:16:11,639
Speaker 1: a zoo who is at least eighty three years old. Wow,

1226
01:16:11,920 --> 01:16:14,479
Speaker 1: flamingos live a long time, a long day time. I

1227
01:16:14,520 --> 01:16:17,640
Speaker 1: didn't realize I didn't know that at all. A cockatoo

1228
01:16:18,080 --> 01:16:22,520
Speaker 1: at a zoo, a Brookfield zoo named Cookie the cockatoo

1229
01:16:22,800 --> 01:16:27,080
Speaker 1: lived to be eighty three years old. And a female

1230
01:16:27,160 --> 01:16:31,760
Speaker 1: green wing macaw named Poncho at Beck's Pets and Exotics

1231
01:16:32,120 --> 01:16:37,320
Speaker 1: uh is Or was nine two years old. In Wait,

1232
01:16:37,400 --> 01:16:40,080
Speaker 1: this bircha lived in a store and no one would

1233
01:16:40,120 --> 01:16:43,880
Speaker 1: buy him. I why would you put that thought in

1234
01:16:44,000 --> 01:16:49,560
Speaker 1: my head? And I'm sorry the pets I think he was.

1235
01:16:50,439 --> 01:16:52,920
Speaker 1: I think he was the pet stores pet. Okay, there

1236
01:16:52,960 --> 01:16:55,080
Speaker 1: you go. He's fine. He's living a great life. Oh

1237
01:16:55,200 --> 01:16:59,920
Speaker 1: my god, Fred the cockatoo, the male sulfur crusted cock

1238
01:17:00,000 --> 01:17:04,200
Speaker 1: a too at Bonarong Wildlife Sanctuary, was a hundred and

1239
01:17:04,360 --> 01:17:08,960
Speaker 1: three years old. And oh my god, Charlie, the female

1240
01:17:09,000 --> 01:17:13,880
Speaker 1: blue and yellow McCall caw of the health Field Nurseries

1241
01:17:14,040 --> 01:17:19,240
Speaker 1: in Sirie, England, was a hundred and fourteen years Okay,

1242
01:17:19,400 --> 01:17:23,679
Speaker 1: that's that's old. That's an old bird. Cocky Bennett, he's

1243
01:17:23,680 --> 01:17:27,720
Speaker 1: a male sulfur crusted cockatoo owned by some Australian guy

1244
01:17:28,000 --> 01:17:31,800
Speaker 1: in nineteen sixteen, was a hundred and twenty years old

1245
01:17:32,360 --> 01:17:35,720
Speaker 1: when it died, just owned by some Australia I have

1246
01:17:35,920 --> 01:17:42,160
Speaker 1: to show you this ancient, goddamn bird. It's definitely looks old,

1247
01:17:42,880 --> 01:17:50,280
Speaker 1: like very old that birds not alive. Sadly I think

1248
01:17:50,360 --> 01:17:54,240
Speaker 1: it is. Oh my gosh, it looks like it's like,

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Speaker 1: put me out of my misery. I know. I feel

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Speaker 1: sorry for this bird because it looks like the tip

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Speaker 1: of its beak is really long, which it should be.

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Speaker 1: You like the tips of their beak, I guess keep

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Speaker 1: growing and you should have something hard for them to

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Speaker 1: chew on so it files it down. But it's just

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Speaker 1: grown into this like really long protrusion. Yeah vibes you

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Speaker 1: know where we were all like, I don't know about that. Yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 1: poor cocky Bennett oh mannet. But you look a little old.

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Speaker 1: He looks slightly like a plucked turkey. I don't mean

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Speaker 1: to roast this very old bird, but I can't help it.

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Speaker 1: You're roasting the bird. I'm roasting the bird. A well.

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Speaker 1: I think that's where we'll end it today with me

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Speaker 1: being super mean to like a geriatric bird. What are

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Speaker 1: you gonna do? Well? Thank you so much for coming

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