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Speaker 2: Welcome back to True Crime Tonight on iHeartRadio. We're talking

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Speaker 2: true crime all the time. It's Tuesday, February third, and listen, ladies,

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Speaker 2: we have a stack knight of headlines and it is

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Speaker 2: so wonderful to see your faces.

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Speaker 3: Hello.

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Speaker 2: Hello, I'm stehany Leidecker here of course with body move

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Speaker 2: In and Courtney Armstrong.

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Speaker 3: Guys, have I missed anything? Ah, yeah, We've missed you.

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Speaker 2: Hi Merrily, Honneys Well, there's been so much to cover.

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Speaker 2: And by the way, thank you for holding down the house.

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Speaker 2: You guys are so good period the end, exclamation point.

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Speaker 2: Listening just like melts my heart and I'm just proud

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Speaker 2: to be back with you guys. Thank you for thank

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Speaker 2: you for bearing with and listen. There's so much going

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Speaker 2: on in the news right now that I'm anxious to

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Speaker 2: dig in. Savannah Guthrie's Poor Mom. NBC host Savannah Guthrie

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Speaker 2: America's Sweetheart. Her mother remains missing and the details are

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Speaker 2: becoming extremely harrowing. Is it possible that she's been abducted,

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Speaker 2: and if so, is this targeted and what does that

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Speaker 2: mean for other people perhaps in the industry as well.

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Speaker 3: It's terrifying. Also, these Epstein files.

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Speaker 2: The dump continues, obviously, with three million files to get through.

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Speaker 2: I hope that we're all going to look at this

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Speaker 2: and the totality of it responsibly. I was out of

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Speaker 2: pocket for two seconds, and as soon as I got

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Speaker 3: And that side. Ah. This is not a gotcha story.

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Speaker 2: This is a much larger investigation and we have to

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Speaker 2: look at it through that lens. And I can't wait

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Speaker 2: to start really unpacking it in a meaningful way.

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Speaker 3: The Clintons have.

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Speaker 2: Agreed to testify before Congress at last at the end

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Speaker 2: of the month. And also this Ohio double murder of

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Speaker 2: Monique and Spencer Teppi, this story continues to get scarier.

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Speaker 2: The accused killer her ex husband. The details of this murder,

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Speaker 2: double homicide, I should say, are unbelievable, and again we

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Speaker 2: have to unpack the new developments because it is violent

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Speaker 2: and this was an overkill beyond measure, and ladies, I

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Speaker 2: know Courtney, you were out for a hot second body

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Speaker 2: at some point holding down the house solely by herself.

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Speaker 3: It seems like that Courtney comes Patters shooting back list.

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Speaker 2: It's been a whirlwind. I was at Sundance. A tree

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Speaker 3: Though a lot has happened since I've seen you. Guys.

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Speaker 3: I have a busted nose as you speak, so forgive me.

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Speaker 3: She is not kidding. Right before we started the show,

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Speaker 3: was like, what is wrong with your face? Didn't I?

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Speaker 3: I was like, I love you, but what the heck

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Speaker 2: I was trying to cover it up because I was like, okay,

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Speaker 2: what I've been doing. And then I'm like, you know what,

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Speaker 2: safe zone. We got Sam and Adam and Taha. They

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Speaker 2: don't care that I have seemingly black eyes and a

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Speaker 3: So what happened? So I'm at Sundance, which was wild right,

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Speaker 2: Notes, raise your hand and wave it if this is

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Speaker 2: hear everybody will keep it brief, so Sundance, it's a

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Speaker 2: film festival in Utah. That the documentary series that we've

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Speaker 2: been making here at KT for honestly like a year

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Speaker 2: you haven't heard it, Courtney Armstrong og KT will will

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Speaker 2: Can't wait for this documentary, And we had unlimited access

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Speaker 2: in Elizabethston's high school and shooting with teenagers, you know,

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Speaker 2: So it's really a high school look in this rural

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Speaker 2: So anyway, we get to honor that at so Sundance

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Speaker 3: So yes, that is the nose story. So I live

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Speaker 3: There was literally she sent us pictures of these this

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Speaker 3: Tree fell in my house. I'm like, okay, but the dogs.

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Speaker 3: Oh, and we are so happy that you are back.

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Speaker 4: Keep it here to your crime tonight.

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Speaker 2: Welcome back to true crime tonight on iHeartRadio. We're talking

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Speaker 2: true crime all the time. I'm Stephanie Leidecker here with

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Speaker 2: Courtney Armstrong and body movin getting a little wiggle during

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Speaker 3: Glad to be back.

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Speaker 2: So Savannah Guthrie, we all love her, of course from NBC.

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Speaker 3: She's the host of the Today Show.

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Speaker 2: Her beloved mother, eighty four years old, has been missing

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Speaker 2: for seventy two hours and now you know, a recent

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Speaker 2: my goodness, this development with TMZ. Apparently there was a

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Speaker 3: Courtney, what are we thinking here?

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Speaker 4: Man?

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Speaker 3: This is a sad one. I was actually watching. I

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Speaker 4: I was watching the Today Show today, which I never do,

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Speaker 4: and I had it on and just hearing Savannah Guthrie's

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Speaker 2: With everybody's in it, by the way, which one thing

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Speaker 3: So here's the details.

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Speaker 4: Nancy Guthrie is the eighty four year old mother of

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Speaker 4: it feels longer on February first, and she was reported missing.

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Speaker 4: She lives near Tucson, Arizona. She was last seen the

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Speaker 4: and investigators have now confirmed that she is believed to

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Speaker 3: Would she be up to I know, I know, for

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Speaker 3: what reason? What could this possibly be?

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Speaker 4: Well, I mean, the TMZ, the ransom note has has come,

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Speaker 3: I can't believe they did that. Yes, I know, suddenly

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Speaker 3: when there's a ransom, it's kept very quiet.

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Speaker 2: Oh my understanding. Yeah, just to kind of briefly surmise that.

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Speaker 2: So TMZ Today reported that they received an email basically

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Speaker 2: saying that it was ransom in exchange for eighty four

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Speaker 2: and remember, to your point, Court, she has limited she

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Speaker 2: There was some blood outside the home identified on some

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Speaker 3: Maybe somebody she knows is close to.

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Speaker 4: Somehow perhaps and blood was as well, a small amount

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Speaker 2: So we don't know what that means. And you can

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Speaker 2: attention because this is not the perfect abduction. You don't

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Speaker 3: That's like just like.

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Speaker 2: A hazard if you're if you're trying to steal somebody.

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Speaker 2: You wouldn't want to do that with a baby either,

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Speaker 3: Exactly, too many problems that could happen, right, absolutely, And

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Speaker 2: Correct, they're saying that she had her her pacemaker was

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Speaker 2: and what if Savannah Guthrie is being targeted. It's just

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Speaker 4: And the alleged ransom message, so TAMZ reported it this

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Speaker 4: And the bitcoin address has been it is substantiated.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, so it is an actual address.

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Speaker 4: And then the ransom note also describes another item that

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Speaker 3: Her Tucson home.

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Speaker 4: So in order you know that, in order to say

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Speaker 3: Right, because it's a it's a detailed police hadn't released

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Speaker 3: Ortney like, that's right, what do you do?

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Speaker 2: So you bring up an interesting point? Then body like

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Speaker 3: I mean you're not allowed.

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Speaker 5: I mean.

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Speaker 3: Of course they always are reporting. I just like pretty yeah,

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Speaker 3: is because they believe it's a kidnapping and that's what

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Speaker 3: the FBI specializes in. But normally when there's a ransom,

437
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Speaker 3: it's not known publicly that there's a ransom because it's

438
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Speaker 3: and it ends up being dangerous for the victim.

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Speaker 6: Oh, I was just gonna do they not tell the

440
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Speaker 6: public at all there's a ransom or just not the

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Speaker 6: details within the ransom.

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Speaker 3: Note usually you don't hear anything about it.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, you got to remember too, because this is such

444
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Speaker 2: a wild, wildly known case. You know, we're all following

445
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Speaker 2: it so closely. Every news outlet, frankly throughout the world

446
00:23:02,040 --> 00:23:06,359
Speaker 2: is covering this. Imagine this Arizona Police Department and the

447
00:23:06,440 --> 00:23:09,919
Speaker 2: FBI are getting hit with tips over tips over tips,

448
00:23:10,160 --> 00:23:13,880
Speaker 2: which is great but also a real slog on the system.

449
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Speaker 2: You know, we were just dealing with something with a

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Speaker 2: Tennessee Bureau of Investigation, and you know, so you get

451
00:23:19,600 --> 00:23:23,360
Speaker 2: all these dumb tips that waste everybody's time because there's

452
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Speaker 2: lookie loose or weirdos who are trying to clog the

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Speaker 2: system purposefully, I might add, or you know, throw a

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Speaker 2: ransom note to TMZ and that gets a lot of publicity.

455
00:23:32,720 --> 00:23:36,320
Speaker 2: That's like, in some weird way fun for someone. By

456
00:23:36,359 --> 00:23:38,760
Speaker 2: the way, that should be a real serious crime. If

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Speaker 2: that gets out a what a waste. But you can't

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Speaker 2: not really pursue them wholeheartedly. So I have to assume

459
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Speaker 2: they're paying such close attention to this.

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Speaker 3: And it's also hard, Stephanie.

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Speaker 4: There are some people, of course with nefarious intentions, but

462
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Speaker 4: also officials. They always say, you know, nothing too small,

463
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Speaker 4: nothing is too small ever know what the detail is

464
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Speaker 4: that will tip someone off. So it's a bit of

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Speaker 4: a balancing act in terms of that.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, did you watch the video that Brian Enton did

467
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Speaker 3: outside the home on the porch. There was quite a

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Speaker 3: bit of blood.

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Speaker 2: So the blood was almost as if there was I wondered,

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Speaker 2: you know, if you like hit yourself with it and

471
00:24:21,720 --> 00:24:23,440
Speaker 2: by the way as the klutzy one of the three

472
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Speaker 2: of us. Clearly you know the face and points. If

473
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Speaker 2: you ever, you know, walk into a nail, you know

474
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Speaker 2: it has those like heavy droplets, because it does look

475
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Speaker 2: like it's droplets coming out, but like an isolated puncture.

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Speaker 2: Maybe God willing right. I hope it's not her blood.

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Speaker 3: I hope it's the blood of the abductor and they

478
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Speaker 3: find the person like immediately.

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Speaker 4: Which could be possible. Again, they're still they are testing

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Speaker 4: the blood. They're testing the blood to see who's you know,

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Speaker 4: whose it is, so gosh, how scary.

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Speaker 6: Can I ask one other quick question that you mentioned

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Speaker 6: Bitcoin a big address, great question. I'm pretty sure I

484
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Speaker 6: know the answer is no. But is there no way

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Speaker 6: to trace the address back to someone?

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Speaker 3: No, No, it's it's there's no way to trace it.

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Speaker 3: It's but it is on the blockchain. The address is valid.

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Speaker 2: I looked at it personally, so meaning and by the way,

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Speaker 2: if you're just joining us, we're talking about Savannah Guthrie's

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Speaker 2: missing mother and it's now being speculated that perhaps she

491
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Speaker 2: was abducted, and you know, details still evolving real time.

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Speaker 2: The bitcoin thing is also a bit of a clue

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Speaker 2: and body, you would have more insight into this.

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Speaker 3: I do not understand the bitcoin thing. I'm going to

495
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Speaker 3: be free to admit this.

496
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Speaker 2: But it's not traceable, so it's really great for money laundering,

497
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Speaker 2: any kind of nefarious I don't want my money trail

498
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Speaker 2: to be seen. That's what bitcoin's kind of best known for, right,

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Speaker 2: So for a ransom amount, that would make sense. And

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Speaker 2: it sounds like the FBI has said, or that least

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Speaker 2: the police department has said that it is in fact

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Speaker 2: a proper address it is has said.

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Speaker 3: You have said that as well, Yeah, it is a

504
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Speaker 3: proper dress. But yeah, no it can't be. It really

505
00:26:06,400 --> 00:26:09,399
Speaker 3: can't be traced to it. But I mean, at some

506
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Speaker 3: point they would probably want to cash it out, but

507
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Speaker 3: I would imagine that they're going to listen. I don't

508
00:26:15,240 --> 00:26:17,520
Speaker 3: think it's going to get paid. But if they did

509
00:26:17,560 --> 00:26:20,879
Speaker 3: receive bitcoin to that address, obviously it'd be monitored. But

510
00:26:21,359 --> 00:26:24,960
Speaker 3: you don't know who owns that address. That's it's pretty

511
00:26:26,320 --> 00:26:28,359
Speaker 3: it's visible on the blockchain, but you don't know who

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Speaker 3: who belongs to. Does that make sense?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, you just don't spot and don't you think if

514
00:26:33,480 --> 00:26:36,760
Speaker 2: you're I'm just you know, God forbid anybody finds themselves

515
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Speaker 2: in a horrible situation like this. I think, of course,

516
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Speaker 2: with my own mother. You pay a billion dollars and

517
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Speaker 2: any minute you have and you're like.

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Speaker 3: Did you get with the cops? Do you wait? You

519
00:26:46,600 --> 00:26:48,840
Speaker 3: just pay it and hope for the best. Do you

520
00:26:48,880 --> 00:26:53,320
Speaker 3: take matters? Like? What do you do in these horrible scenarios? Right? So,

521
00:26:53,359 --> 00:26:56,520
Speaker 3: when you when you when you cash out the bitcoin though,

522
00:26:56,560 --> 00:26:59,480
Speaker 3: that's when the that's when your identity, you know, it's

523
00:26:59,520 --> 00:27:02,520
Speaker 3: like a choke point for your identity because usually you

524
00:27:02,560 --> 00:27:05,920
Speaker 3: have to when you have bitcoin or you know, eat

525
00:27:06,080 --> 00:27:08,479
Speaker 3: or something else on the on the chain, you have

526
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Speaker 3: to provide k y C records like your ID something

527
00:27:14,640 --> 00:27:18,120
Speaker 3: to cash that out. So at some point if they

528
00:27:18,119 --> 00:27:20,720
Speaker 3: try to cash it out, they're gonna they're going to

529
00:27:20,800 --> 00:27:23,160
Speaker 3: run into some problems. But they can buy a bunch

530
00:27:23,200 --> 00:27:26,280
Speaker 3: of other coins with bitcoin at that point and disperse

531
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Speaker 3: throughout the entire cryptocurrency sphere and it just gets really

532
00:27:31,240 --> 00:27:34,800
Speaker 3: hard to trace. Is KYC something? I should know what

533
00:27:34,840 --> 00:27:39,479
Speaker 3: that means? What is that? It's like your name, your ID, uh,

534
00:27:39,640 --> 00:27:42,760
Speaker 3: your devices you're using okay, I just call okay. I

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00:27:42,760 --> 00:27:44,320
Speaker 3: can't remember what it stands for. It but it's kyc.

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00:27:44,960 --> 00:27:46,479
Speaker 3: I've had a fel I have a lot of well,

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Speaker 3: I don't have anymore, but I used to dabble in

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00:27:49,200 --> 00:27:52,240
Speaker 3: crypto back in the day. That does not surprise me.

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00:27:54,680 --> 00:27:57,480
Speaker 3: This is terrible, you know. So we know that, like.

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00:27:57,600 --> 00:28:02,399
Speaker 2: For example, Amber alerts for children are so are so productive,

541
00:28:02,640 --> 00:28:06,600
Speaker 2: and they are so helpful, and they're so they work

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00:28:06,680 --> 00:28:10,040
Speaker 2: so well. I just pray, and I know we all

543
00:28:10,040 --> 00:28:13,560
Speaker 2: feel this way that Nancy has returned safely because all

544
00:28:13,600 --> 00:28:17,760
Speaker 2: hands on deck, everybody is trying to find her, and man,

545
00:28:17,800 --> 00:28:19,960
Speaker 2: it seems like it's getting grimm very quickly.

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Speaker 3: So I when Brian Inton was on the front porch,

547
00:28:23,600 --> 00:28:27,000
Speaker 3: a lot of people were saying, the ring doorbell's gone.

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00:28:27,200 --> 00:28:32,000
Speaker 3: It is Oh, I'm on your side. Do we know

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00:28:32,040 --> 00:28:35,040
Speaker 3: if law enforcement took it or did the abductor take it?

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00:28:35,160 --> 00:28:35,520
Speaker 3: Do we know?

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Speaker 2: They mentioned it in the press conference to law enforcement

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00:28:39,840 --> 00:28:42,400
Speaker 2: and they said, oh, you know, we also had noticed.

553
00:28:42,400 --> 00:28:44,640
Speaker 2: A reporter had said we also noticed at the ring

554
00:28:44,720 --> 00:28:48,520
Speaker 2: camera at the door had had the camera itself removed.

555
00:28:49,000 --> 00:28:52,120
Speaker 2: And all they said was, yes, we saw that too.

556
00:28:53,680 --> 00:28:58,000
Speaker 4: And both Nancy Guthrie's family as well as law enforcement,

557
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Speaker 4: they're really asking any neighbors to review security footage.

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00:29:02,280 --> 00:29:06,600
Speaker 3: From one AM to four as so dark out there, black,

559
00:29:06,880 --> 00:29:08,560
Speaker 3: it's so dark, so dark.

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00:29:09,320 --> 00:29:11,000
Speaker 2: I gotta tell you too, we got to look out

561
00:29:11,040 --> 00:29:14,680
Speaker 2: for each other because again, she's in a very dense area.

562
00:29:14,920 --> 00:29:19,640
Speaker 3: This Tucson, Arizona area beautiful, so beautiful, but.

563
00:29:19,680 --> 00:29:22,080
Speaker 2: The houses are kind of far apart, right, so, and

564
00:29:22,320 --> 00:29:24,880
Speaker 2: there's not a lot of street lights because it's so

565
00:29:25,440 --> 00:29:28,480
Speaker 2: plush and beautiful. But then it's you know, there's not

566
00:29:28,520 --> 00:29:30,800
Speaker 2: a lot of ring cams that like a regular neighborhood

567
00:29:30,840 --> 00:29:32,760
Speaker 2: where you would see like at the Tepee's house.

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00:29:32,800 --> 00:29:36,120
Speaker 3: And the story that we'll cover later. Right now, it's

569
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Speaker 3: my understanding that her daughter, Savannah's sister, right, Nancy's daughter

570
00:29:42,160 --> 00:29:45,400
Speaker 3: also lives in Tucson. And they went, they went out,

571
00:29:45,480 --> 00:29:49,800
Speaker 3: and then they nan the sister, I don't know her name,

572
00:29:51,000 --> 00:29:52,760
Speaker 3: dropped her off at the house, is that right? And

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00:29:52,800 --> 00:29:54,960
Speaker 3: then that's also anybody saw that was the last time.

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Speaker 2: And then she was expected at church on Sunday and

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00:29:58,800 --> 00:30:00,920
Speaker 2: didn't show up at church, which you know, we all

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Speaker 2: get it. You know, if my mom didn't show up

577
00:30:02,640 --> 00:30:05,440
Speaker 2: at church, I'd have a you know, my eyebrow up,

578
00:30:06,120 --> 00:30:08,040
Speaker 2: and you know, and then they kind of were like, oh,

579
00:30:08,080 --> 00:30:10,920
Speaker 2: maybe she slept in Probably I'm assuming, and then you know,

580
00:30:10,960 --> 00:30:12,760
Speaker 2: lo and behold, it ends up being twelve to fourteen

581
00:30:12,800 --> 00:30:17,800
Speaker 2: hours before. Really alarms are our alarms are ringing that

582
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Speaker 2: something's really wrong.

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Speaker 4: Right well, Savannah Guthrie, she's released a statement and a

584
00:30:24,440 --> 00:30:27,640
Speaker 4: part of it it says, right now, our focus remains

585
00:30:27,640 --> 00:30:32,480
Speaker 4: on the safe return of our dear mom. On Instagram,

586
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Speaker 4: she further asked for prayers and it was actually a

587
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Speaker 4: beautiful They had read the entire the entirety of the

588
00:30:38,440 --> 00:30:40,880
Speaker 4: message on the Today Show, but part of it is

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Speaker 4: our beloved mom Our dearest Nancy, a woman of deep conviction,

590
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Speaker 4: raised your prayers with us, and she referred to her

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Speaker 4: mom as a truth teller and a sparkling beauty of

592
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Speaker 4: a soul.

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00:30:52,920 --> 00:30:53,880
Speaker 3: She does look at too.

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Speaker 2: She has those smiley eyes and the way she looks

595
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Speaker 2: at Savannah, and in the way Savannah looks at her.

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00:31:00,040 --> 00:31:01,720
Speaker 3: You can why.

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00:31:02,280 --> 00:31:05,640
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, and again, is that somebody being targeting

598
00:31:05,800 --> 00:31:07,840
Speaker 2: to Is it an NBC thing?

599
00:31:08,000 --> 00:31:09,800
Speaker 3: And what does that mean for greater media?

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Speaker 2: You know, I don't know, we're speculating, but this is

601
00:31:11,840 --> 00:31:13,320
Speaker 2: some of the chatter at least, Or is.

602
00:31:13,320 --> 00:31:18,720
Speaker 3: It just something personal, like somebody I don't know. It's

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00:31:18,720 --> 00:31:19,440
Speaker 3: just awful.

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Speaker 4: And in the middle of the night, I know, here's

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Speaker 4: what she was around her bed around two And listen.

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Speaker 2: If you want to jump in join the show, please

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Speaker 2: do eight eight eight thirty one Crime and you can

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Speaker 2: always leave us a talk back. I miss them, keep

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Speaker 2: them coming. And by the way, later in the show,

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Speaker 2: we're going to be discussing one one big update that's

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Speaker 2: very exciting.

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Speaker 3: Here.

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Speaker 2: We have swag, we have sweatshirts, we have mugs, and

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Speaker 2: we have T shirts. So we'll discuss how to how to.

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Speaker 2: We'll discuss how to distribute and win later in the show.

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Speaker 2: But first, this Teppie double murder Monique and Spencer Teppie

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Speaker 2: in OHI know it appears that you know, the accused

618
00:32:03,200 --> 00:32:07,720
Speaker 2: is Monique's ex husband, and you know, we didn't really

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Speaker 2: totally understand why this man, a surgeon, a vascular surgeon,

620
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Speaker 2: would drive four hundred miles to kill his ex wife

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Speaker 2: and her current husband, ex wife of ten years.

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Speaker 3: I might add, right while, what is the thing?

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Speaker 2: And now as more details come out, it only becomes

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Speaker 2: more chilling.

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00:32:27,840 --> 00:32:30,920
Speaker 3: Body, what is the latest update here? I mean, I

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00:32:31,200 --> 00:32:33,320
Speaker 3: guess if you want to make it a short update.

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00:32:33,360 --> 00:32:36,000
Speaker 3: I mean, he just seems like he was full of rage. Right,

628
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Speaker 3: So they've released the autopsy results and the detail of

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Speaker 3: the scope and of the violence in this murder, the

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Speaker 3: double murder that really stunned Columbus. Right, you don't really

631
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Speaker 3: know a lot about these terrible crimes coming out of

632
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Speaker 3: the Midwest, but rocked Columbus. So Monique Tepe was shot

633
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Speaker 3: nine times and her husband and Spencer was shot seven times,

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00:33:03,200 --> 00:33:06,080
Speaker 3: and they were both found you know, dead inside their

635
00:33:06,080 --> 00:33:10,280
Speaker 3: home just before dawn on December thirtieth, while their two

636
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Speaker 3: young children were unharmed. Investigators are saying the killings followed

637
00:33:15,000 --> 00:33:19,280
Speaker 3: weeks of alleged talking and threats directed at Mony, raising

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Speaker 3: questions about, you know, whether this attack was planned. I mean,

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00:33:22,520 --> 00:33:26,400
Speaker 3: it seems to me like it was, yes, right, Prosecutors

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00:33:26,480 --> 00:33:29,840
Speaker 3: have charged her ex husband. He's the you know, he

641
00:33:29,960 --> 00:33:33,920
Speaker 3: was a surgeon, vascular surgeon. His name is Michael McKee,

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00:33:34,360 --> 00:33:38,720
Speaker 3: and he's been charged with aggravated murder and aggravated burglary.

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00:33:38,880 --> 00:33:42,320
Speaker 3: And you know, say, the evidence places him near the

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00:33:42,360 --> 00:33:46,840
Speaker 3: home in the hours before the shootings. This guy was

645
00:33:46,960 --> 00:33:51,080
Speaker 3: hunting them, hunting. Seems like that well, they went to

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Speaker 3: They went to that game, right, they went to that game,

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00:33:57,000 --> 00:34:00,200
Speaker 3: the Big Ten, I think it was the game. Uh,

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00:34:00,960 --> 00:34:04,880
Speaker 3: and they have him there while they were at that game,

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00:34:05,400 --> 00:34:09,560
Speaker 3: like scoping out the backyard and like, oh so scary. Anyway,

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00:34:10,560 --> 00:34:13,920
Speaker 3: so the frankly entry too, did he We don't know

651
00:34:13,960 --> 00:34:16,640
Speaker 3: what we believe. I mean, listen, we don't know for

652
00:34:16,680 --> 00:34:20,160
Speaker 3: sure officially, but we believe the basement window in the backyard.

653
00:34:21,920 --> 00:34:25,040
Speaker 2: Again, I we don't know. If you're out loud, we

654
00:34:25,239 --> 00:34:26,880
Speaker 2: have to lock our windows.

655
00:34:26,920 --> 00:34:27,480
Speaker 3: Everybody.

656
00:34:27,640 --> 00:34:31,160
Speaker 2: Security systems are tier one. Let's not get lazy about

657
00:34:31,160 --> 00:34:35,320
Speaker 2: that anyone any place. It's just weird out there. People

658
00:34:35,320 --> 00:34:39,719
Speaker 2: are extra these days, and you know, it's better safe

659
00:34:39,760 --> 00:34:41,840
Speaker 2: than sorry. I know we all want to live in

660
00:34:41,880 --> 00:34:44,880
Speaker 2: the world where we can leave our doors wide open

661
00:34:44,960 --> 00:34:46,560
Speaker 2: and the sleep with the windows open.

662
00:34:46,760 --> 00:34:52,520
Speaker 3: But it seems unnecessary at this point, right. So the

663
00:34:52,560 --> 00:34:56,560
Speaker 3: one chilling thing from this autopsy was Monique was in

664
00:34:56,560 --> 00:35:02,279
Speaker 3: the face. Yeah, in the face. And they do know

665
00:35:02,440 --> 00:35:05,799
Speaker 3: that the killings happened inside the home. They weren't like

666
00:35:05,880 --> 00:35:09,120
Speaker 3: ambushed walking in or you know, in the driveway and

667
00:35:09,160 --> 00:35:12,240
Speaker 3: like dragged in. They were shot while they were sleeping.

668
00:35:12,680 --> 00:35:17,160
Speaker 3: And that surveillance video that I was talking about. When

669
00:35:17,160 --> 00:35:20,160
Speaker 3: they went to that Big ten game was on December sixth,

670
00:35:20,160 --> 00:35:22,520
Speaker 3: so it was only like twenty days twenty four days

671
00:35:23,520 --> 00:35:25,759
Speaker 3: prior to the murder. So he was making trips to

672
00:35:26,160 --> 00:35:28,520
Speaker 3: see he was scoping out the place.

673
00:35:29,280 --> 00:35:34,200
Speaker 2: So for he drove four hundred miles multiple times. Yes,

674
00:35:35,520 --> 00:35:37,440
Speaker 2: you have to wonder if she had a sixth sense

675
00:35:37,480 --> 00:35:38,040
Speaker 2: about that.

676
00:35:38,440 --> 00:35:41,640
Speaker 3: Right, Well, I think she did because she told friends

677
00:35:41,640 --> 00:35:45,399
Speaker 3: about it. Friends of hers have come out and said

678
00:35:45,400 --> 00:35:49,520
Speaker 3: that she had mentioned that he forcibly, you know, pushed

679
00:35:49,600 --> 00:35:54,000
Speaker 3: himself on her. He strangled her and told her he

680
00:35:54,000 --> 00:35:57,680
Speaker 3: could kill her at any time, and that you know,

681
00:35:57,760 --> 00:36:00,399
Speaker 3: he would find her and buy the house next or her.

682
00:36:00,840 --> 00:36:04,719
Speaker 3: So he was like, you know, terrorism, don't it that?

683
00:36:06,440 --> 00:36:09,560
Speaker 4: I really I don't think that's an overstatement right at all.

684
00:36:10,080 --> 00:36:12,279
Speaker 2: And by the way, people are dealing with this all

685
00:36:12,480 --> 00:36:15,000
Speaker 2: the time also, and I hope this is something that

686
00:36:15,120 --> 00:36:19,320
Speaker 2: becomes kind of an important topic that we continue to

687
00:36:19,360 --> 00:36:23,120
Speaker 2: talk about, because again it is men and women trust

688
00:36:23,120 --> 00:36:25,240
Speaker 2: your instincts on that. If you have a sixth sense

689
00:36:25,320 --> 00:36:28,120
Speaker 2: and you know you think something is over, but you

690
00:36:28,160 --> 00:36:29,879
Speaker 2: know you don't want to make a big deal about it.

691
00:36:29,960 --> 00:36:33,160
Speaker 3: Oh, you don't want to be dramatic. Oh, it's embarrassing.

692
00:36:34,200 --> 00:36:36,600
Speaker 2: You have to sort of speak up and you know,

693
00:36:37,000 --> 00:36:39,680
Speaker 2: talk to a loved one or speak to a therapist

694
00:36:39,760 --> 00:36:44,120
Speaker 2: as quickly as possible, go to authorities, you know, don't

695
00:36:44,360 --> 00:36:45,399
Speaker 2: don't just brush it off.

696
00:36:45,680 --> 00:36:48,760
Speaker 3: Yeah, and don't think you're overreacting either, right exactly, because

697
00:36:48,800 --> 00:36:51,399
Speaker 3: oftentimes I think we talk ourselves out of it, right,

698
00:36:52,480 --> 00:36:54,440
Speaker 3: you know, most times we talk ourselves out of it.

699
00:36:55,440 --> 00:36:58,080
Speaker 3: And just like Brian Cooberger stuff, you would find this interesting.

700
00:36:58,400 --> 00:37:01,799
Speaker 3: We learned that he Michael McKee, the suspect in this

701
00:37:01,840 --> 00:37:06,360
Speaker 3: casey ex husband, he turned his phone off from December

702
00:37:06,360 --> 00:37:10,959
Speaker 3: twenty ninth until afternoon on the on the thirtieth, which

703
00:37:11,000 --> 00:37:14,840
Speaker 3: is interesting. It sure is they think that that absence

704
00:37:14,880 --> 00:37:19,720
Speaker 3: of phone activity, it's it's it's an issue, right, It's

705
00:37:19,800 --> 00:37:20,800
Speaker 3: just as damning.

706
00:37:21,600 --> 00:37:25,360
Speaker 4: It really is just as damning as trackable phone activity

707
00:37:25,440 --> 00:37:29,960
Speaker 4: to have it, you know, completely dead off during times

708
00:37:30,000 --> 00:37:32,440
Speaker 4: where if you look at the history, it is not

709
00:37:32,640 --> 00:37:33,880
Speaker 4: dead off at that time.

710
00:37:34,040 --> 00:37:38,920
Speaker 2: Every think about it, though, this guy was like seeing patience,

711
00:37:39,400 --> 00:37:41,880
Speaker 2: you know, he was obviously under the gun a little bit.

712
00:37:41,920 --> 00:37:45,080
Speaker 2: There had been some lawsuits being brought up against him,

713
00:37:45,080 --> 00:37:48,960
Speaker 2: a medical malpractice lawsuit, that he was being you know,

714
00:37:50,000 --> 00:37:53,120
Speaker 2: you know, brought into whether or that was true or not.

715
00:37:53,320 --> 00:37:55,400
Speaker 2: But that seems to be something that was a pressure

716
00:37:55,440 --> 00:37:59,080
Speaker 2: point in his life. But again, you're four hundred miles away.

717
00:37:59,120 --> 00:38:02,120
Speaker 2: This is your ex of ten years. You are seeing

718
00:38:02,280 --> 00:38:05,680
Speaker 2: patients maybe during this time, and all while you're going

719
00:38:05,719 --> 00:38:07,759
Speaker 2: home at night and plotting the murder of your ex

720
00:38:07,800 --> 00:38:10,239
Speaker 2: wife and her new husband while her kids are in

721
00:38:10,280 --> 00:38:13,360
Speaker 2: the other room. You know, like, what kind of rumination

722
00:38:13,800 --> 00:38:17,040
Speaker 2: is happening. This guy was functioning in the real world.

723
00:38:17,120 --> 00:38:20,439
Speaker 2: And to your point, this does have Brian Coberger ask

724
00:38:20,840 --> 00:38:23,799
Speaker 2: it does over because again, this is a smart guy.

725
00:38:23,800 --> 00:38:25,440
Speaker 2: By the way, you got to look at his I'm

726
00:38:25,440 --> 00:38:28,360
Speaker 2: gonna pull it up. He had a bumble account. I

727
00:38:28,480 --> 00:38:31,120
Speaker 2: see the dating ass. Oh my god, I have to

728
00:38:31,120 --> 00:38:32,879
Speaker 2: pull this up. How do I find this quickly? I'm

729
00:38:32,920 --> 00:38:35,240
Speaker 2: blind and I can't hear, and I have a sunny

730
00:38:35,320 --> 00:38:39,080
Speaker 2: nose so I can't wear eyeglasses. I'm going blind. Kids,

731
00:38:39,600 --> 00:38:42,160
Speaker 2: at least you can tell the show isn't scripted. I

732
00:38:42,200 --> 00:38:44,560
Speaker 2: can't even see my phone, So if we can put

733
00:38:44,600 --> 00:38:48,560
Speaker 2: anybody Kataha, can you try to find this? See this

734
00:38:48,600 --> 00:38:52,240
Speaker 2: bumble account? This guy looks like a catch. Yeah, little

735
00:38:52,280 --> 00:38:56,959
Speaker 2: ado really does a surgeon. He's handsome. You know, again,

736
00:38:57,000 --> 00:38:59,920
Speaker 2: we now know he's a monster, or allegedly allegedly allegedly.

737
00:39:00,560 --> 00:39:03,800
Speaker 2: If what he is accused of is accurate, that would

738
00:39:03,840 --> 00:39:06,560
Speaker 2: mean he is a monster in that regard. But again,

739
00:39:06,640 --> 00:39:11,200
Speaker 2: he claims he is innocent. He's tall, he's dorsy. I

740
00:39:11,200 --> 00:39:13,920
Speaker 2: think he needs to go fly fishes, well dressed. Oh,

741
00:39:13,960 --> 00:39:16,879
Speaker 2: he's a little spiritual, Like this guy seems like ten

742
00:39:16,880 --> 00:39:20,160
Speaker 2: out of ten. Meanwhile, he is a murderer.

743
00:39:19,920 --> 00:39:23,080
Speaker 3: Allegedly when he's stalking his ex wife, stalking that he's

744
00:39:23,080 --> 00:39:26,600
Speaker 3: been close from for a long time and he's eight years.

745
00:39:26,800 --> 00:39:28,600
Speaker 3: He has neighbors, They're all like you seemed like a

746
00:39:28,680 --> 00:39:30,400
Speaker 3: nice guy. Yeah have it. You're at your you know,

747
00:39:30,480 --> 00:39:33,520
Speaker 3: little townhouse and you're like, hi to your neighbor. Seems nice.

748
00:39:33,600 --> 00:39:37,200
Speaker 2: Kind of keeps to himself. Yeah, this guy's plotting murder.

749
00:39:37,719 --> 00:39:40,120
Speaker 2: He's thinking about where to his phone? How is it

750
00:39:40,160 --> 00:39:41,000
Speaker 2: going to get away with it?

751
00:39:41,080 --> 00:39:41,480
Speaker 3: Get this?

752
00:39:41,760 --> 00:39:45,040
Speaker 4: Oh go ahead, court, Oh this was about the bumble,

753
00:39:45,160 --> 00:39:46,360
Speaker 4: So ahead, go ahead.

754
00:39:46,600 --> 00:39:48,359
Speaker 3: Okay, So about.

755
00:39:48,040 --> 00:39:53,000
Speaker 4: Me and yeah, just handsome and smiling vascular surgeon went

756
00:39:53,040 --> 00:39:57,680
Speaker 4: to Ohio State University about me, lucky to have work

757
00:39:57,760 --> 00:40:02,120
Speaker 4: I find meaningful and increased free time for new things.

758
00:40:02,640 --> 00:40:07,000
Speaker 4: Currently trying hot yoga waylex way less flexible than I recall,

759
00:40:07,719 --> 00:40:11,320
Speaker 4: planning trip itineraries to finally make use of global entry

760
00:40:11,719 --> 00:40:13,960
Speaker 4: and hops on an electric motorcycle.

761
00:40:14,520 --> 00:40:19,080
Speaker 3: What a trip is? Tact if six to two? Yeah,

762
00:40:19,160 --> 00:40:19,640
Speaker 3: this guy's like.

763
00:40:19,640 --> 00:40:21,520
Speaker 2: Oh, yeah, come with me on a world trip and

764
00:40:21,560 --> 00:40:24,080
Speaker 2: we can have kids together. You know, he's really lapping

765
00:40:24,080 --> 00:40:28,440
Speaker 2: it in and I find it interesting. Do vascular surgeons cut?

766
00:40:29,960 --> 00:40:30,360
Speaker 3: I don't know.

767
00:40:30,520 --> 00:40:32,520
Speaker 2: I think so like all surgeons cut, right, This is

768
00:40:32,520 --> 00:40:35,440
Speaker 2: a dumb question. I recognize all surgeons cut. Sometimes they

769
00:40:35,520 --> 00:40:36,440
Speaker 2: use like those.

770
00:40:36,920 --> 00:40:40,440
Speaker 3: Do you cut skin? I don't know, Well, it depends

771
00:40:40,600 --> 00:40:41,560
Speaker 3: if it's what.

772
00:40:41,719 --> 00:40:44,120
Speaker 4: Them, I'll call it laparoscopic laproscopic.

773
00:40:44,520 --> 00:40:45,760
Speaker 3: What's I guess?

774
00:40:45,800 --> 00:40:48,719
Speaker 2: Like the idea that you're dedicated to your life to

775
00:40:48,800 --> 00:40:52,840
Speaker 2: cutting flesh to save lives. You know, being a surgeon

776
00:40:52,960 --> 00:40:55,280
Speaker 2: or a physician at that level is not a easy

777
00:40:55,480 --> 00:40:56,919
Speaker 2: and boy, it's very important work.

778
00:40:56,960 --> 00:40:58,040
Speaker 3: And you're saving lives.

779
00:40:58,080 --> 00:41:01,640
Speaker 2: That's the that's the mission, right, you have meaningful according

780
00:41:01,640 --> 00:41:05,399
Speaker 2: to his about me, purposeful work, and you're cutting into

781
00:41:05,440 --> 00:41:08,879
Speaker 2: people to look at their vascular system or I don't

782
00:41:08,880 --> 00:41:11,680
Speaker 2: know how they do that though, but then you're you're

783
00:41:11,760 --> 00:41:14,960
Speaker 2: stabbing somebody or shooting them in the face. The idea

784
00:41:15,000 --> 00:41:18,000
Speaker 2: that he killed her and shot her in the face

785
00:41:18,040 --> 00:41:21,160
Speaker 2: and is such an overkill. And you know how hard

786
00:41:21,200 --> 00:41:23,680
Speaker 2: it is to look somebody in the eye if you fibbed.

787
00:41:24,680 --> 00:41:28,000
Speaker 2: How about you looking in somebody's eyes that you you

788
00:41:28,000 --> 00:41:31,680
Speaker 2: you love or you at least loved, and you know

789
00:41:31,760 --> 00:41:34,600
Speaker 2: that you're going to take their life. This is face

790
00:41:34,640 --> 00:41:38,799
Speaker 2: to face contact that is extremely grisly and rare.

791
00:41:39,160 --> 00:41:41,840
Speaker 3: It is very well it is, and I think he

792
00:41:41,920 --> 00:41:43,960
Speaker 3: planned I mean I think he planned this well in

793
00:41:44,000 --> 00:41:49,560
Speaker 3: advance too, because there there was surveillance footage of the

794
00:41:49,920 --> 00:41:56,000
Speaker 3: suv in the neighborhood and he stole Ohio plates and

795
00:41:56,200 --> 00:42:00,279
Speaker 3: Arizona plates what so, yeah, he like he used to

796
00:42:00,320 --> 00:42:03,360
Speaker 3: live here in Las Vegas, And I'm wondering if he

797
00:42:03,360 --> 00:42:06,720
Speaker 3: when he drove to Illinois to you know, live there,

798
00:42:07,160 --> 00:42:09,719
Speaker 3: did he go through Arizona and take somebody's plates with him?

799
00:42:09,800 --> 00:42:12,080
Speaker 3: Like was he planning this for this long? Like I

800
00:42:12,080 --> 00:42:16,160
Speaker 3: don't know, It's just weird. And then tied to that suv,

801
00:42:17,080 --> 00:42:20,520
Speaker 3: I guess they have him on surveillance like hitting a

802
00:42:20,560 --> 00:42:24,760
Speaker 3: car what because when? Yeah, because this when they found

803
00:42:24,840 --> 00:42:27,680
Speaker 3: him and got the car, this SUV. There were those

804
00:42:27,719 --> 00:42:31,000
Speaker 3: scrape marks on the car too, So there's a lot

805
00:42:31,080 --> 00:42:35,840
Speaker 3: of you know, I guess circumstantial in some cases maybe evidence,

806
00:42:35,920 --> 00:42:37,920
Speaker 3: but I mean it's looking like they might have the

807
00:42:38,000 --> 00:42:40,560
Speaker 3: right guy for sure. Doesn't it seem scary too?

808
00:42:40,680 --> 00:42:43,640
Speaker 2: If you're like somebody who just happened to cross paths

809
00:42:43,680 --> 00:42:46,720
Speaker 2: with him during that time when he's like in motion

810
00:42:47,080 --> 00:42:50,200
Speaker 2: within the four hundred mile range with the intent to

811
00:42:50,280 --> 00:42:54,800
Speaker 2: commit overkill on two people. I don't think you commit overkill,

812
00:42:54,800 --> 00:42:55,279
Speaker 2: you know what I mean?

813
00:42:55,320 --> 00:42:55,480
Speaker 4: Though?

814
00:42:55,480 --> 00:42:59,560
Speaker 2: That was a very like no A the top and

815
00:43:00,000 --> 00:43:01,759
Speaker 2: you know, he pulls over for gas and you just

816
00:43:01,800 --> 00:43:04,400
Speaker 2: happened to be the person at the you know, gas

817
00:43:04,400 --> 00:43:08,080
Speaker 2: station pumping next to him, just like those sliding door

818
00:43:08,160 --> 00:43:10,760
Speaker 2: moments where you can just catch a person in pure rage.

819
00:43:11,239 --> 00:43:13,560
Speaker 3: I don't know what kind of weapon it was, but

820
00:43:13,560 --> 00:43:16,080
Speaker 3: I'm assuming it was a pistol of some kind because

821
00:43:16,120 --> 00:43:19,480
Speaker 3: they had mentioned like a suppressor a silencer. Well, okay,

822
00:43:19,560 --> 00:43:23,719
Speaker 3: so nine shots with Monique and seven for spencer. That's

823
00:43:23,760 --> 00:43:29,080
Speaker 3: sixteen he reloaded he had to reload. Wow, I mean,

824
00:43:29,520 --> 00:43:32,400
Speaker 3: I'm just listen. Unless he had some kind of crazy

825
00:43:32,440 --> 00:43:34,880
Speaker 3: extended mag he reloaded.

826
00:43:36,600 --> 00:43:40,160
Speaker 4: So last okay, last night when Jarrett was on, I

827
00:43:40,280 --> 00:43:42,399
Speaker 4: absolutely I had this thought and didn't want.

828
00:43:42,320 --> 00:43:43,319
Speaker 3: To take it so far.

829
00:43:43,480 --> 00:43:46,279
Speaker 4: I did too, so we know exactly where you're going.

830
00:43:46,719 --> 00:43:49,719
Speaker 4: We were talking about Brendan Banfield. He is the man

831
00:43:49,760 --> 00:43:55,200
Speaker 4: who thankfully has been convicted of the heinous ohquare.

832
00:43:54,960 --> 00:43:57,480
Speaker 3: Yes, yes, dying. Yeah, you guys had such great coverage

833
00:43:57,480 --> 00:43:59,040
Speaker 3: of that. Yeah.

834
00:43:59,080 --> 00:44:03,160
Speaker 4: So he's convicted, hopefully going away forever, of killing his wife,

835
00:44:03,480 --> 00:44:08,480
Speaker 4: Christine Banfield, as well as Joseph Ryan. Okay, and included

836
00:44:08,640 --> 00:44:13,560
Speaker 4: in the charges, understandably was child endangerment because Banfield's full

837
00:44:13,640 --> 00:44:14,719
Speaker 4: year old daughter was there.

838
00:44:15,680 --> 00:44:16,680
Speaker 3: And we've brought this up.

839
00:44:16,719 --> 00:44:21,320
Speaker 4: But this is why I asked first, Yeah, in this case,

840
00:44:21,800 --> 00:44:24,120
Speaker 4: there's no child endangerment.

841
00:44:24,360 --> 00:44:29,600
Speaker 3: Maybe Ohio doesn't happen. Ah, Maybe I was going, but

842
00:44:29,680 --> 00:44:31,520
Speaker 3: that's why I asked Jared that. But then I was like,

843
00:44:31,560 --> 00:44:34,640
Speaker 3: I don't want to bring up another case a little

844
00:44:34,640 --> 00:44:37,960
Speaker 3: bit more, so explain that once more. Okay, So in

845
00:44:38,000 --> 00:44:41,480
Speaker 3: the up air case, Brendan Banfield was charged basically with

846
00:44:41,560 --> 00:44:44,640
Speaker 3: child abuse because the murder happened while the child was

847
00:44:44,680 --> 00:44:48,680
Speaker 3: in the home and that the child in danger and

848
00:44:48,719 --> 00:44:52,120
Speaker 3: in Virginia, that's what they do. But in Ohio this

849
00:44:52,360 --> 00:44:56,439
Speaker 3: it's there's no charge for this child endangerment. They were

850
00:44:56,480 --> 00:44:59,279
Speaker 3: he killed two the parents while the kids were in

851
00:44:59,320 --> 00:45:01,400
Speaker 3: the home, and there was so close they were in

852
00:45:01,480 --> 00:45:02,200
Speaker 3: the room next door.

853
00:45:02,320 --> 00:45:04,600
Speaker 2: Think about that, sixteen shots and the kids were right

854
00:45:04,640 --> 00:45:07,600
Speaker 2: next door, even with a silencer, Like the energy in

855
00:45:07,640 --> 00:45:09,000
Speaker 2: the room must change.

856
00:45:09,200 --> 00:45:10,600
Speaker 3: I mean they're breathing the same air.

857
00:45:10,880 --> 00:45:15,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's absolutely throw away, the throw away the key

858
00:45:15,160 --> 00:45:16,719
Speaker 2: and the book at him at the same time, while

859
00:45:16,760 --> 00:45:20,080
Speaker 2: they also released there's new booking video when he got

860
00:45:20,080 --> 00:45:22,640
Speaker 2: booked into jail and he's like stone face.

861
00:45:22,480 --> 00:45:24,719
Speaker 3: Cold, Yes, I saw that.

862
00:45:25,040 --> 00:45:27,040
Speaker 2: No trying to shit away with it though, Like this

863
00:45:27,080 --> 00:45:29,360
Speaker 2: guy was like I'm just gonna throw away to my

864
00:45:29,440 --> 00:45:29,920
Speaker 2: own life.

865
00:45:29,960 --> 00:45:31,960
Speaker 3: Also, I don't think he was trying to get away

866
00:45:31,960 --> 00:45:32,960
Speaker 3: with it at all. I mean he had the gun

867
00:45:33,000 --> 00:45:33,800
Speaker 3: still and everything.

868
00:45:34,320 --> 00:45:38,759
Speaker 4: Well, however he the lead up, he certainly was. He's changing,

869
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Speaker 4: you know, different license plates. He has his phone off,

870
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Speaker 4: so he really threw it out the window.

871
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Speaker 2: Though he's like crawling, walking and slumping in the back

872
00:45:46,560 --> 00:45:48,600
Speaker 2: alley knowing full well there's going to be some kind

873
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Speaker 2: of footage of surveillance of him leaving the crime scene.

874
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Speaker 2: He was pretty recognizable. The guy's massive. He's six thousand

875
00:45:56,480 --> 00:45:59,359
Speaker 2: feet tall. It seems like he's very big and had

876
00:45:59,360 --> 00:46:01,920
Speaker 2: a kind of a notice walk, like did he just

877
00:46:02,000 --> 00:46:03,960
Speaker 2: tuck her out of it? Because why would you hold

878
00:46:04,000 --> 00:46:06,319
Speaker 2: onto the weapon? By the way, I'm glad he did,

879
00:46:06,440 --> 00:46:08,960
Speaker 2: and that he's caught. In fact, he's acute.

880
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Speaker 3: I think they were looking at him right away, though

881
00:46:11,320 --> 00:46:13,920
Speaker 3: I don't really. I mean he according to the friends

882
00:46:14,680 --> 00:46:18,400
Speaker 3: and even like the brother in law too, like Monique

883
00:46:18,400 --> 00:46:20,879
Speaker 3: had said that the abuse that she suffered with him

884
00:46:21,040 --> 00:46:22,480
Speaker 3: changed her as a person.

885
00:46:23,000 --> 00:46:28,680
Speaker 2: It always does, right anyone listening, And unfortunately there's I

886
00:46:28,680 --> 00:46:32,279
Speaker 2: bet you this club is to some degree unanimous, like

887
00:46:32,320 --> 00:46:35,160
Speaker 2: everybody's had some brush with it, some kind you know,

888
00:46:35,400 --> 00:46:38,560
Speaker 2: and like some really terrible and you kind of move

889
00:46:38,680 --> 00:46:40,600
Speaker 2: past it and you move on from it and you

890
00:46:40,640 --> 00:46:41,760
Speaker 2: try to pick up your pieces.

891
00:46:42,280 --> 00:46:45,040
Speaker 3: She did all the right things, he did. She did well.

892
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Speaker 4: We'll continue following this case and listen, stick around when

893
00:46:48,480 --> 00:46:51,839
Speaker 4: we come back. We are digging deep into the Epstein's

894
00:46:51,880 --> 00:46:56,040
Speaker 4: record flood, particularly what the victims have to say about

895
00:46:56,200 --> 00:47:00,440
Speaker 4: damage that has been done. Keep it here, True Tonight,

896
00:47:00,719 --> 00:47:02,279
Speaker 4: talk to True Crime all the time.

897
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Speaker 2: Welcome back to True Crime Tonight on iHeartRadio. We're talking

898
00:47:16,160 --> 00:47:19,360
Speaker 2: true crime all the time. I'm Stephanie Leidecker here with

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Speaker 2: the Courtney Armstrong and.

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Speaker 3: Body move in. The band is back together.

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Speaker 2: Listen if you've missed any of the first hour of

902
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Speaker 2: the show. I can't believe how quickly it has just

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00:47:29,560 --> 00:47:34,560
Speaker 2: flown by. Please download us after. It's also a podcast,

904
00:47:35,000 --> 00:47:36,879
Speaker 2: and if you want to leave us a talk back,

905
00:47:37,360 --> 00:47:40,480
Speaker 2: just download the iHeartRadio app. This is the trick. So

906
00:47:40,520 --> 00:47:43,920
Speaker 2: you download the iHeartRadio app. It's free and in the

907
00:47:43,920 --> 00:47:47,520
Speaker 2: top right hand corner there's this little like microphone icon.

908
00:47:48,120 --> 00:47:50,920
Speaker 2: You push it, leave a message and then we'll play

909
00:47:50,960 --> 00:47:54,360
Speaker 2: it on the show. So to that end, we're going

910
00:47:54,440 --> 00:47:57,840
Speaker 2: to add some T shirts and sweatshirts and mugs to

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00:47:57,880 --> 00:48:00,480
Speaker 2: the mix. So later in the show, well us how

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Speaker 2: to do that. And also if you want to join

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Speaker 2: us live, we would love to hear from you. Eight

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00:48:05,200 --> 00:48:07,960
Speaker 2: eight eight three one crime. That's what I think the

915
00:48:08,000 --> 00:48:10,560
Speaker 2: sweatshirts and swag should be used for you call us

916
00:48:10,600 --> 00:48:13,760
Speaker 2: live and swag is on your side.

917
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Speaker 3: It's so fun, like the interaction live. I just love it.

918
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Speaker 2: I Fstein, I don't know switching gears from sweatshirts to

919
00:48:22,320 --> 00:48:29,560
Speaker 2: Epstein files. Man oh Man, me Armstrong. Where should we begin? Okay,

920
00:48:30,120 --> 00:48:33,520
Speaker 2: We're going to begin at the beginning, at the beginning,

921
00:48:33,600 --> 00:48:34,200
Speaker 2: at the beginning.

922
00:48:34,320 --> 00:48:37,840
Speaker 4: So there has been a massive new batch of Jeffrey

923
00:48:37,880 --> 00:48:41,760
Speaker 4: Epstein files that have been made public, and by massive,

924
00:48:41,960 --> 00:48:44,600
Speaker 4: I mean more than three million pages that have been

925
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Speaker 4: released by the DOJ.

926
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Speaker 3: And they've also ps.

927
00:48:47,920 --> 00:48:52,520
Speaker 4: They've been released in no apparent order and with many

928
00:48:52,760 --> 00:48:55,040
Speaker 4: like it's as messy as you kind of could make it,

929
00:48:56,760 --> 00:49:00,759
Speaker 4: but way beyond that, survivors and advocates are saying that

930
00:49:00,800 --> 00:49:05,719
Speaker 4: the disclosure is not only still incomplete and many of

931
00:49:05,719 --> 00:49:11,759
Speaker 4: the victimizer's names are absolutely redacted. However, there have been

932
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Speaker 4: documents released with the victims' names unredacted and pictures, including

933
00:49:18,280 --> 00:49:19,319
Speaker 4: naked pictures.

934
00:49:19,560 --> 00:49:21,520
Speaker 3: Naked photos, yes.

935
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Speaker 4: And these were flagged by journalists saying, you know, hello,

936
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Speaker 4: one eight hundred, DOJ take this down, And then they

937
00:49:29,400 --> 00:49:32,080
Speaker 4: have been redacted, but a lot of the damage has

938
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Speaker 4: been done.

939
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Speaker 2: And imagine having naked photos of you as a young girl,

940
00:49:40,920 --> 00:49:46,000
Speaker 2: and you're a victim in Epstein's web, and perhaps you've

941
00:49:46,000 --> 00:49:48,480
Speaker 2: decided to keep that to yourself for personal reasons. You

942
00:49:48,560 --> 00:49:51,520
Speaker 2: weren't ready to share this, Perhaps you didn't want to

943
00:49:51,560 --> 00:49:54,640
Speaker 2: deal with that level of trauma or or share with

944
00:49:54,719 --> 00:49:59,360
Speaker 2: your family or the attention or your you know, exposure

945
00:49:59,360 --> 00:50:03,319
Speaker 2: in the workplace. And then naked photographs are released by

946
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Speaker 2: the Department of Justice.

947
00:50:05,440 --> 00:50:07,120
Speaker 3: Yes, and the whole shtick has been that.

948
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Speaker 2: The reason that we haven't had full transparency since the

949
00:50:11,239 --> 00:50:16,160
Speaker 2: files were legally signed into law to be released back

950
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Speaker 2: in December. The reason why that hasn't happened is because

951
00:50:20,480 --> 00:50:23,799
Speaker 2: they're redacting the names of the victims. What a chop

952
00:50:23,880 --> 00:50:27,480
Speaker 2: job this is. It's like a double trauma. You get

953
00:50:27,560 --> 00:50:32,560
Speaker 2: traumatized twice right on. And officials are saying that the

954
00:50:32,600 --> 00:50:38,000
Speaker 2: mistakes they happen due to technical or human error. They

955
00:50:38,239 --> 00:50:44,520
Speaker 2: promise so fingers crossed, they promise that corrected, re redacted

956
00:50:44,560 --> 00:50:48,760
Speaker 2: files will be reposted and ps that cat is out.

957
00:50:48,600 --> 00:50:51,320
Speaker 3: Of the bag. They can't do a take back.

958
00:50:51,239 --> 00:50:54,120
Speaker 2: On a naked video that's now you know, been put

959
00:50:54,160 --> 00:50:57,439
Speaker 2: out there, and you can't take names back if it's

960
00:50:57,480 --> 00:51:00,720
Speaker 2: been released, and that's like heard of hundreds.

961
00:51:00,800 --> 00:51:03,200
Speaker 3: Once it's on the internet, it's there forever, I mean,

962
00:51:03,320 --> 00:51:06,240
Speaker 3: that's period, it's on there forever.

963
00:51:06,400 --> 00:51:09,440
Speaker 4: Yes, and you know they these victims have had their

964
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Speaker 4: identities exposed, and lawyers have said there's been nearly one

965
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Speaker 4: hundred survivors affected, some with email addresses, some with banking details,

966
00:51:20,760 --> 00:51:23,560
Speaker 4: some again with the nude photos with their names and

967
00:51:23,640 --> 00:51:25,400
Speaker 4: faces visible.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, some of the predators' names have been redacted for

969
00:51:30,040 --> 00:51:34,040
Speaker 2: some unknown Oh yeah, those are those reactions are in

970
00:51:34,120 --> 00:51:39,160
Speaker 2: the includes the Alexander brothers in louting the Alexander brothers

971
00:51:39,200 --> 00:51:42,680
Speaker 2: and by the way, problem go ahead, Well, it's your

972
00:51:42,719 --> 00:51:47,040
Speaker 2: problem because they have a trial right now, and this

973
00:51:47,200 --> 00:51:50,080
Speaker 2: was all supposed to be kept from the public until

974
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Speaker 2: that trial was over.

975
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Speaker 3: In fact, we just talked about this last night, Courtney. Yeah,

976
00:51:55,040 --> 00:51:57,799
Speaker 3: you know that they are asking for a mistrial now

977
00:51:57,800 --> 00:52:01,400
Speaker 3: because you know some some juror right is you know, oh,

978
00:52:01,440 --> 00:52:03,040
Speaker 3: I can look at the epscene files and has nothing

979
00:52:03,040 --> 00:52:07,080
Speaker 3: to do with the case. I'm on right downloads. Oh

980
00:52:07,080 --> 00:52:10,200
Speaker 3: my god, the Alexander brothers are in these files. Now,

981
00:52:10,320 --> 00:52:13,120
Speaker 3: I'm like in the jury box going, oh, these guys

982
00:52:13,120 --> 00:52:15,840
Speaker 3: are in the epscene files. Duh, Like this is a

983
00:52:15,960 --> 00:52:19,000
Speaker 3: this is an issue. It is such, it's so. My

984
00:52:19,080 --> 00:52:23,279
Speaker 3: point is it's very The issue is spans multiple like,

985
00:52:23,320 --> 00:52:26,480
Speaker 3: it's very broad, very broad, and It's two questions.

986
00:52:26,480 --> 00:52:29,719
Speaker 2: One, first of all, where is this boiler room in

987
00:52:29,800 --> 00:52:33,000
Speaker 2: the DJ where this redacting is happening, Like, I'm so

988
00:52:33,120 --> 00:52:37,560
Speaker 2: curious what the process is? Three million documents? Is it

989
00:52:37,719 --> 00:52:41,319
Speaker 2: all lawyers? What is the morning meeting? What is the

990
00:52:41,440 --> 00:52:44,960
Speaker 2: direction that's been given? Yeah, Like, how if any of

991
00:52:45,080 --> 00:52:48,719
Speaker 2: us did our jobs this way and we're handing in

992
00:52:48,800 --> 00:52:51,879
Speaker 2: sloppy work to this effect, I don't know what would

993
00:52:51,920 --> 00:52:52,440
Speaker 2: become of us.

994
00:52:52,440 --> 00:52:55,279
Speaker 3: We'd all be fired, fired, get a recommendation.

995
00:52:55,600 --> 00:52:58,839
Speaker 2: If you worked at the printing shop and we're you know,

996
00:52:58,920 --> 00:53:02,560
Speaker 2: printing scripts or printing manuals, and you were forever missing

997
00:53:02,640 --> 00:53:06,880
Speaker 2: page thirty three and leaving unredacted things in there, you

998
00:53:06,880 --> 00:53:07,680
Speaker 2: would be fired.

999
00:53:07,760 --> 00:53:09,920
Speaker 3: So it's surprising in terms.

1000
00:53:09,719 --> 00:53:14,160
Speaker 2: Of just the messiness, you know, to your point, it's

1001
00:53:14,160 --> 00:53:17,600
Speaker 2: also surprising. That's the Department of Justice, who's in charge

1002
00:53:17,600 --> 00:53:20,560
Speaker 2: of a lot of important things, right, So this level

1003
00:53:20,600 --> 00:53:22,800
Speaker 2: of care is stunning, honestly.

1004
00:53:23,200 --> 00:53:23,960
Speaker 3: So that's the first.

1005
00:53:24,440 --> 00:53:26,520
Speaker 2: So in what is the process, Like, how are we

1006
00:53:26,640 --> 00:53:30,160
Speaker 2: giving direction to this said group of five hundred lawyers?

1007
00:53:30,239 --> 00:53:33,200
Speaker 2: Is that what they actually is that their criteria and

1008
00:53:33,239 --> 00:53:35,000
Speaker 2: what is their criteria?

1009
00:53:36,400 --> 00:53:40,160
Speaker 4: Well, at the most basic level, it is to redact

1010
00:53:40,360 --> 00:53:45,280
Speaker 4: the names and personally identifying characteristics of the victims.

1011
00:53:45,400 --> 00:53:48,239
Speaker 2: That it's not categorized like. It's also just weren't they

1012
00:53:48,280 --> 00:53:49,840
Speaker 2: supposed to explain the redaction.

1013
00:53:49,960 --> 00:53:53,600
Speaker 3: Thinks that's kind of by design. Yes, I think it's design.

1014
00:53:53,920 --> 00:53:58,520
Speaker 2: And is it possible that they're leaking or exposing photographs

1015
00:53:58,560 --> 00:54:01,160
Speaker 2: of young girls in naked photos so that they could say,

1016
00:54:01,200 --> 00:54:02,960
Speaker 2: ooh sorry, see this is why we have to take

1017
00:54:03,000 --> 00:54:06,239
Speaker 2: all the files down. It's creating these other stirs and

1018
00:54:07,120 --> 00:54:08,959
Speaker 2: and one thing that I will say, and I hope

1019
00:54:09,200 --> 00:54:11,160
Speaker 2: and this is something that I'm saying also from my

1020
00:54:11,320 --> 00:54:14,520
Speaker 2: own ears. For me personally, it's like more, you know,

1021
00:54:14,560 --> 00:54:16,960
Speaker 2: we got to look at this. This is three million documents.

1022
00:54:17,000 --> 00:54:20,239
Speaker 2: It's like every email, everything he's ever has as in exchange.

1023
00:54:20,360 --> 00:54:22,799
Speaker 2: And because I was like out of pocket for a

1024
00:54:22,840 --> 00:54:25,920
Speaker 2: couple of days, I really was Epstein free, and typically

1025
00:54:25,920 --> 00:54:28,320
Speaker 2: I'm always down the rabbit hole. And it was pretty

1026
00:54:28,320 --> 00:54:30,880
Speaker 2: stunning when I came on to my own social media

1027
00:54:31,320 --> 00:54:36,359
Speaker 2: how I was just hearing this barrage of Ah.

1028
00:54:35,920 --> 00:54:38,200
Speaker 3: It's this guy, Oh it's that guy.

1029
00:54:38,440 --> 00:54:41,120
Speaker 2: It's like this side or that side, and it was

1030
00:54:41,160 --> 00:54:44,040
Speaker 2: almost like we all have this bias.

1031
00:54:44,080 --> 00:54:46,399
Speaker 3: It's like what is it called. I forget the name.

1032
00:54:46,719 --> 00:54:50,120
Speaker 2: It's what we for We had a confirmation bias right

1033
00:54:50,160 --> 00:54:53,640
Speaker 2: when we started an investigation. Even us, the three of us,

1034
00:54:53,640 --> 00:54:57,000
Speaker 2: are everyone listening, they're our whole True Crime Tonight audience.

1035
00:54:57,040 --> 00:54:59,680
Speaker 2: We're all we're just as seekers, right. We all can

1036
00:54:59,719 --> 00:55:02,560
Speaker 2: agree we don't want pedophilia to be a thing and

1037
00:55:02,640 --> 00:55:05,239
Speaker 2: like that to be running rampant anywhere. This is something

1038
00:55:05,280 --> 00:55:07,719
Speaker 2: that I think we all can agree is bad. And

1039
00:55:07,800 --> 00:55:10,799
Speaker 2: I think if we all just take off the the

1040
00:55:10,920 --> 00:55:14,319
Speaker 2: stuff and look at it really objectively, like a like

1041
00:55:14,400 --> 00:55:18,759
Speaker 2: an investigation, and really be thorough, because just because of

1042
00:55:18,880 --> 00:55:22,000
Speaker 2: somebody's name is you know, it's like a I don't

1043
00:55:22,040 --> 00:55:22,920
Speaker 2: know that it's a left.

1044
00:55:22,719 --> 00:55:25,319
Speaker 3: And the right thing. You know, it's like it shouldn't be.

1045
00:55:25,440 --> 00:55:26,200
Speaker 3: It shouldn't be.

1046
00:55:26,719 --> 00:55:31,040
Speaker 2: And unfortunately we are speaking about big names right that

1047
00:55:31,160 --> 00:55:33,279
Speaker 2: happen to be on the left and be on the right.

1048
00:55:33,320 --> 00:55:37,120
Speaker 2: It seems like everyone in between as well. It's all sides.

1049
00:55:37,880 --> 00:55:39,880
Speaker 2: I think there is a I think that's the distraction

1050
00:55:40,160 --> 00:55:42,080
Speaker 2: pops on both their houses, and I just want us

1051
00:55:42,080 --> 00:55:44,840
Speaker 2: to not get caught up in the sexy names and

1052
00:55:44,880 --> 00:55:50,040
Speaker 2: the clickbait in the in trying to catch the other side. Yeah,

1053
00:55:50,120 --> 00:55:50,680
Speaker 2: you know what I mean.

1054
00:55:50,719 --> 00:55:53,440
Speaker 3: I think it's so much bigger than that.

1055
00:55:53,760 --> 00:55:56,400
Speaker 2: And you know, there are some sources that I'm like

1056
00:55:56,480 --> 00:55:58,440
Speaker 2: really disappointed by where I'm like, you guys are just

1057
00:55:58,560 --> 00:56:02,120
Speaker 2: jumping in to say, ah god, it's not a gotcha.

1058
00:56:02,520 --> 00:56:07,319
Speaker 2: This is an investigation and arguably potentially the largest investigation

1059
00:56:07,480 --> 00:56:10,080
Speaker 2: or cover above our time. And by the way, even

1060
00:56:10,120 --> 00:56:12,879
Speaker 2: if we as a team as a when I say team,

1061
00:56:13,280 --> 00:56:15,480
Speaker 2: anybody in the sound of my voice, us all together

1062
00:56:15,560 --> 00:56:18,399
Speaker 2: as a as a team of true crime tonight, let's

1063
00:56:18,400 --> 00:56:21,040
Speaker 2: just look at it little by little and you know,

1064
00:56:21,200 --> 00:56:25,080
Speaker 2: be sound about it, be reasonable about it, because some

1065
00:56:25,120 --> 00:56:29,279
Speaker 2: of the details are pretty hard to unsee period. And

1066
00:56:29,320 --> 00:56:32,959
Speaker 2: if this is in fact pointing to a larger sex

1067
00:56:33,000 --> 00:56:37,880
Speaker 2: traffic operation globally, and that the finances are at the

1068
00:56:37,920 --> 00:56:41,560
Speaker 2: core of it, let's not get derailed by sexy silly

1069
00:56:41,680 --> 00:56:44,560
Speaker 2: names here and there or you know. By the way,

1070
00:56:44,600 --> 00:56:46,759
Speaker 2: I think it's great that the Clintons are testifying in

1071
00:56:46,760 --> 00:56:50,560
Speaker 2: front of Congress. They should long overdue get in line.

1072
00:56:50,680 --> 00:56:54,799
Speaker 2: I think everybody should, and they should want to obviously,

1073
00:56:54,880 --> 00:56:57,840
Speaker 2: they should want to put an end to this because

1074
00:56:57,880 --> 00:57:01,239
Speaker 2: the fear is that it's happening real time, and if

1075
00:57:01,239 --> 00:57:06,200
Speaker 2: anybody was complacent, that is also not okay. And the

1076
00:57:06,239 --> 00:57:10,799
Speaker 2: bucksteps now a Courtney, what were you going to say?

1077
00:57:10,920 --> 00:57:12,919
Speaker 3: You know, I'm still so contemplating.

1078
00:57:13,440 --> 00:57:16,800
Speaker 4: I am, I'm still first of all, I absolutely agree

1079
00:57:16,840 --> 00:57:20,760
Speaker 4: with you, and like the rhetoric is, it's crazy, it's

1080
00:57:20,760 --> 00:57:25,040
Speaker 4: a little crazy, but honestly, right now, I'm so focused

1081
00:57:25,120 --> 00:57:31,000
Speaker 4: on the victimization, the revictimization of these victims. Yeah, so

1082
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Speaker 4: you know, uh, survivor Annie Farmer said that the damage

1083
00:57:35,960 --> 00:57:38,280
Speaker 4: to the survivors has made it hard to focus on

1084
00:57:38,320 --> 00:57:39,800
Speaker 4: the new information that has.

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00:57:39,680 --> 00:57:40,920
Speaker 3: Been brought to light.

1086
00:57:41,040 --> 00:57:46,360
Speaker 4: Like it's just it is so damaging, and you know,

1087
00:57:46,440 --> 00:57:50,840
Speaker 4: one of the survivors received death threats after her financial

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00:57:50,880 --> 00:57:52,720
Speaker 4: information was published.

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00:57:54,160 --> 00:57:56,120
Speaker 3: It's just it's it's horrible.

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00:57:58,040 --> 00:58:01,360
Speaker 2: And don't forget victims live in fear. There's dealing with

1091
00:58:01,520 --> 00:58:04,760
Speaker 2: very powerful people, right, So there's a reason everybody isn't

1092
00:58:04,800 --> 00:58:05,200
Speaker 2: just like.

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00:58:05,280 --> 00:58:08,400
Speaker 3: Hey, let me just tell you the names, because.

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00:58:07,960 --> 00:58:13,400
Speaker 2: This is if what we are like scratching at is accurate,

1095
00:58:14,120 --> 00:58:19,480
Speaker 2: then the most highest level anywhere, perhaps even in the world,

1096
00:58:19,680 --> 00:58:22,920
Speaker 2: is putting a stop to victims getting their names.

1097
00:58:22,720 --> 00:58:24,800
Speaker 3: Out, or their word out, or their truth hurt.

1098
00:58:25,160 --> 00:58:28,080
Speaker 2: They're getting shut down, or they're getting paid off, or

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00:58:28,080 --> 00:58:31,280
Speaker 2: they're getting NDAs their families are being threatened, their lives

1100
00:58:31,280 --> 00:58:33,720
Speaker 2: are being threatened. So it takes a lot of courage

1101
00:58:33,720 --> 00:58:35,920
Speaker 2: to put yourself in the spotlight. If you're not ready

1102
00:58:35,960 --> 00:58:38,600
Speaker 2: to do that, in the Department of Justice tosses you

1103
00:58:38,680 --> 00:58:39,480
Speaker 2: out there like that.

1104
00:58:40,160 --> 00:58:42,360
Speaker 3: They're literally just putting a target on your head.

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00:58:42,720 --> 00:58:47,840
Speaker 4: Absolutely, and one of the survivors, Lisa Phillips, said it

1106
00:58:47,960 --> 00:58:53,120
Speaker 4: really nice and really plainly. The DOJ violated all three

1107
00:58:53,560 --> 00:58:57,920
Speaker 4: of the survivor requirements and there were three delayed release

1108
00:58:58,640 --> 00:59:04,120
Speaker 4: in complete disclosure and exposure of survivors' names, and then

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00:59:04,160 --> 00:59:06,720
Speaker 4: she added, though we are not going to stop fighting,

1110
00:59:06,760 --> 00:59:11,720
Speaker 4: which is valiant, but man, this is this fight. I

1111
00:59:11,720 --> 00:59:13,720
Speaker 4: feel like it gets harder by the day with and

1112
00:59:13,800 --> 00:59:14,280
Speaker 4: what do we.

1113
00:59:14,160 --> 00:59:16,320
Speaker 2: Make of it because like even just big pictures that's

1114
00:59:16,400 --> 00:59:18,320
Speaker 2: just to like set the stage a little bit as

1115
00:59:18,320 --> 00:59:20,840
Speaker 2: we all and I encourage really because again, none of

1116
00:59:20,960 --> 00:59:23,400
Speaker 2: us have an agenda here, Like I would love the

1117
00:59:23,520 --> 00:59:26,800
Speaker 2: answer to this investigation to be there's nothing here like

1118
00:59:26,880 --> 00:59:29,600
Speaker 2: that would actually feel so good. You know, we're not

1119
00:59:29,760 --> 00:59:33,280
Speaker 2: looking to find out that this is true, right, It's

1120
00:59:33,280 --> 00:59:35,720
Speaker 2: just this cover is getting weirder, and now that we're

1121
00:59:35,800 --> 00:59:37,880
Speaker 2: down the path, it's like I can't unsee it.

1122
00:59:38,720 --> 00:59:41,480
Speaker 3: Have an investigation, and I don't know what investigation you're

1123
00:59:41,480 --> 00:59:42,200
Speaker 3: talking about.

1124
00:59:42,280 --> 00:59:44,840
Speaker 2: I think it's a public investigation at this point, you know.

1125
00:59:45,080 --> 00:59:48,640
Speaker 2: I think we're all getting information that we're all now

1126
00:59:48,680 --> 00:59:51,760
Speaker 2: creating narratives that right suit whatever narrative we want to

1127
00:59:51,760 --> 00:59:52,560
Speaker 2: put out there.

1128
00:59:52,520 --> 00:59:55,000
Speaker 3: Or dismissing the narrative because we don't want it out there.

1129
00:59:55,680 --> 00:59:59,240
Speaker 2: And I think as a totality, even if it's even

1130
00:59:59,360 --> 01:00:01,520
Speaker 2: we twenty pages, like I don't know why they would

1131
01:00:01,560 --> 01:00:04,320
Speaker 2: dumb three million documents at the same time, Like, why

1132
01:00:04,320 --> 01:00:07,880
Speaker 2: are we not doing this in two hundred page increments

1133
01:00:08,600 --> 01:00:11,360
Speaker 2: well and cleanly? Like if we had two hundred and

1134
01:00:11,440 --> 01:00:14,240
Speaker 2: fifty a week that were done correctly and then everybody

1135
01:00:14,280 --> 01:00:17,240
Speaker 2: could go through them, to fifty a week seems reasonable.

1136
01:00:18,280 --> 01:00:20,440
Speaker 2: It's just like so sloppy that I even feel like

1137
01:00:20,480 --> 01:00:22,840
Speaker 2: that's absurd at this point and trying to throw us

1138
01:00:22,840 --> 01:00:25,520
Speaker 2: off their game. And if they're saying, well, we're very

1139
01:00:25,560 --> 01:00:27,920
Speaker 2: busy at the DOJ because we have obviously all these

1140
01:00:27,960 --> 01:00:31,320
Speaker 2: world affairs happening, that's unsettling as well. Why are all

1141
01:00:31,320 --> 01:00:34,480
Speaker 2: the world affairs happening. Are we just getting off track here?

1142
01:00:35,000 --> 01:00:37,520
Speaker 2: We should be handling this and this should be handled

1143
01:00:37,600 --> 01:00:41,240
Speaker 2: very cleanly. It's not that complicated. If there's nothing there,

1144
01:00:41,320 --> 01:00:42,800
Speaker 2: it should not be that complicated.

1145
01:00:43,720 --> 01:00:46,400
Speaker 3: Well, I think they're trying to overwhelm us with data.

1146
01:00:46,840 --> 01:00:50,880
Speaker 3: It's like when you get discovery in a case, right, right, right,

1147
01:00:50,960 --> 01:00:53,200
Speaker 3: and instead of giving it to you a little bit

1148
01:00:53,200 --> 01:00:54,400
Speaker 3: of time, to give it to you all at once,

1149
01:00:54,480 --> 01:00:58,920
Speaker 3: and it's right boxes, banker boxes full terabytes of terrorbytes

1150
01:00:58,920 --> 01:01:02,800
Speaker 3: and terabytes of data. It's overwhelming to go through. Wow,

1151
01:01:02,880 --> 01:01:06,600
Speaker 3: it's right. It's basically discovery is what we're getting, and

1152
01:01:06,640 --> 01:01:09,040
Speaker 3: we're so overwhelmed with paperwork.

1153
01:01:09,760 --> 01:01:13,560
Speaker 2: Like maybe collectively we all can and listeners please call

1154
01:01:13,640 --> 01:01:17,200
Speaker 2: in questions thoughts, you know, theories like what do we think, Like,

1155
01:01:17,320 --> 01:01:18,200
Speaker 2: let's it's on.

1156
01:01:18,200 --> 01:01:19,840
Speaker 3: The Department of Justice website.

1157
01:01:19,920 --> 01:01:23,600
Speaker 2: Body you had suggested a couple of sources, you know,

1158
01:01:23,640 --> 01:01:26,800
Speaker 2: and again if we're all just keeping open minds, but

1159
01:01:27,200 --> 01:01:30,080
Speaker 2: why the money is not at the forefront of this

1160
01:01:30,720 --> 01:01:31,640
Speaker 2: and is it pass?

1161
01:01:31,760 --> 01:01:32,720
Speaker 3: It's three theories, right.

1162
01:01:32,760 --> 01:01:35,080
Speaker 2: The theories are either this guy was just a weirdo

1163
01:01:35,160 --> 01:01:37,320
Speaker 2: who had a strange island with a bunch of weirdos,

1164
01:01:37,360 --> 01:01:40,120
Speaker 2: on that island with a proclivity for young girls frolicking

1165
01:01:40,160 --> 01:01:40,920
Speaker 2: around the kitchen.

1166
01:01:41,360 --> 01:01:46,360
Speaker 3: So weird, okay, crazy, what a weirdo that's one.

1167
01:01:46,920 --> 01:01:52,320
Speaker 2: Or this guy is blackmailing high thinkers on this island

1168
01:01:52,360 --> 01:01:56,120
Speaker 2: and there's videotape being used as blackmail. Or this guy

1169
01:01:56,360 --> 01:01:59,640
Speaker 2: is a double agent and working all sides globally and

1170
01:01:59,760 --> 01:02:02,840
Speaker 2: was doing the same thing honey potting, getting blackmails. So

1171
01:02:03,760 --> 01:02:07,600
Speaker 2: officials have to do what he says. That's where the

1172
01:02:07,640 --> 01:02:09,640
Speaker 2: money would be. And if the money is not being

1173
01:02:09,760 --> 01:02:12,680
Speaker 2: checked and is being air quotes laundered without any of

1174
01:02:12,760 --> 01:02:17,960
Speaker 2: those red flags being looked into, they weren't.

1175
01:02:17,800 --> 01:02:20,240
Speaker 3: Looked into Bank of America and those banks just kind

1176
01:02:20,280 --> 01:02:22,640
Speaker 3: of looked away, right, And it's a great business to

1177
01:02:22,680 --> 01:02:22,960
Speaker 3: be in.

1178
01:02:23,040 --> 01:02:24,520
Speaker 2: So if you want to get in the business with

1179
01:02:24,600 --> 01:02:26,760
Speaker 2: Epstein and you know full well that the bank is

1180
01:02:26,800 --> 01:02:29,160
Speaker 2: not looking isn't that the place you want to invest?

1181
01:02:29,320 --> 01:02:31,920
Speaker 2: Who are those investors? That's what I think. The bigger

1182
01:02:31,960 --> 01:02:34,600
Speaker 2: picture is here, right, So? And where was that money

1183
01:02:34,640 --> 01:02:38,520
Speaker 2: going and who was fronting it and why? So the

1184
01:02:38,600 --> 01:02:41,240
Speaker 2: investigation begins hours I guess.

1185
01:02:41,120 --> 01:02:43,000
Speaker 3: Yeah, let's do it. I'm you know, I'm down for

1186
01:02:43,040 --> 01:02:46,200
Speaker 3: a good investigation. But when we come back, we're going

1187
01:02:46,240 --> 01:02:48,840
Speaker 3: to be answering your talkbacks about the newly released photos

1188
01:02:48,920 --> 01:02:52,520
Speaker 3: in the Idaho student murder case and the other topics

1189
01:02:52,560 --> 01:02:55,360
Speaker 3: you're demanding we cover. Keep it ringing from tonight.

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01:03:05,120 --> 01:03:08,000
Speaker 2: Welcome back to True Crime tonight on iHeartRadio. We're talking

1191
01:03:08,040 --> 01:03:10,680
Speaker 2: true crime all the time. I'm staff here with Courtney

1192
01:03:10,720 --> 01:03:14,920
Speaker 2: and Boddy. And Courtney, you might have the flu boo.

1193
01:03:15,360 --> 01:03:19,880
Speaker 4: Oh, yes, well hopefully not, so we're staving it off.

1194
01:03:21,040 --> 01:03:23,040
Speaker 3: My husband definitely has the flu.

1195
01:03:23,160 --> 01:03:26,960
Speaker 4: He went to urgent care and then they gave this

1196
01:03:27,120 --> 01:03:30,600
Speaker 4: to him for me because he said, I've also been sick,

1197
01:03:31,240 --> 01:03:33,040
Speaker 4: but to hopefully stave it off.

1198
01:03:33,160 --> 01:03:35,800
Speaker 3: So fires out. Goodness, you are a tough cookie, though.

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Speaker 2: I see you push through things like the rest of

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01:03:38,080 --> 01:03:40,480
Speaker 2: us get it for ten weeks in my captain and

1201
01:03:40,560 --> 01:03:43,600
Speaker 2: Courtney's like twenty four hours of sleep and then she's

1202
01:03:43,640 --> 01:03:44,640
Speaker 2: off to the races.

1203
01:03:45,840 --> 01:03:47,920
Speaker 3: All right. Well, we're wishing you well on that front.

1204
01:03:48,200 --> 01:03:51,320
Speaker 2: And yet, you know, Boddy, you had mentioned this, This

1205
01:03:51,360 --> 01:03:56,120
Speaker 2: is really terrible tale of this young boy in Saint James,

1206
01:03:56,120 --> 01:03:58,320
Speaker 2: New York. I grew up right there. I went to

1207
01:03:58,320 --> 01:04:01,479
Speaker 2: the Saint James Lutheran Church growing you know, so yeah,

1208
01:04:01,560 --> 01:04:04,720
Speaker 2: and that area is very very beloved to me. And this,

1209
01:04:05,160 --> 01:04:08,600
Speaker 2: you know, young teen boy who kind of got on

1210
01:04:08,640 --> 01:04:12,080
Speaker 2: the Long Island Railroad from the Stony Brooks station. God,

1211
01:04:12,200 --> 01:04:14,840
Speaker 2: I've done that so many times I can't even count

1212
01:04:15,360 --> 01:04:19,920
Speaker 2: in my early days as well. How is this story unfolding?

1213
01:04:20,200 --> 01:04:22,960
Speaker 3: Well, it's not the update I want to give, so

1214
01:04:23,320 --> 01:04:26,200
Speaker 3: just to summarize it for people who might not be

1215
01:04:26,480 --> 01:04:28,600
Speaker 3: up to speed on it. So, he's fifteen years old.

1216
01:04:28,640 --> 01:04:32,720
Speaker 3: His name is Thomas Medline again of Saint James, New York.

1217
01:04:33,320 --> 01:04:37,920
Speaker 3: He vanished after leaving school back on January ninth and

1218
01:04:38,160 --> 01:04:42,120
Speaker 3: hopped on a train into Manhattan. They believed he was

1219
01:04:42,200 --> 01:04:45,640
Speaker 3: lured via the Rollblocks game, and we covered this like

1220
01:04:45,720 --> 01:04:50,160
Speaker 3: last week. Well, he remains missing, more than three weeks later.

1221
01:04:51,320 --> 01:04:53,720
Speaker 3: His you know, the investigators and his family of course,

1222
01:04:53,760 --> 01:04:58,160
Speaker 3: are still looking for answers. And again, initial report suggested

1223
01:04:58,200 --> 01:05:00,480
Speaker 3: that he may have been traveling to meet someone he

1224
01:05:00,560 --> 01:05:04,480
Speaker 3: met on that game on Roadblocks, though law enforcement now

1225
01:05:05,080 --> 01:05:08,880
Speaker 3: says there's no confirmed connection between the platform and his disappearance.

1226
01:05:10,320 --> 01:05:13,720
Speaker 3: He left Stony Brook School just like you said, Steph,

1227
01:05:14,320 --> 01:05:16,800
Speaker 3: at three point thirty on January ninth, and he ran

1228
01:05:17,160 --> 01:05:22,320
Speaker 3: to that stony Brook, Long Island Railroad station. The surveillance

1229
01:05:22,560 --> 01:05:25,920
Speaker 3: and the transit data shows that he boarded a train

1230
01:05:26,240 --> 01:05:29,840
Speaker 3: heading into Manhattan and and then he was seen on

1231
01:05:30,000 --> 01:05:35,160
Speaker 3: camera at Grand Central Station about two hours later at

1232
01:05:35,160 --> 01:05:39,680
Speaker 3: five point thirty that same day. Well, now the Suffolk

1233
01:05:39,880 --> 01:05:45,040
Speaker 3: County Police say that new evidence is indicating his final

1234
01:05:45,160 --> 01:05:50,040
Speaker 3: confirmed location was on the pedestrian walkway of the Manhattan

1235
01:05:50,080 --> 01:05:55,880
Speaker 3: Bridge at approximately seven oh six pm on the ninth.

1236
01:05:56,640 --> 01:05:56,920
Speaker 6: Yeah.

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01:05:57,840 --> 01:06:01,000
Speaker 3: So they reported that the last activity on his cell

1238
01:06:01,000 --> 01:06:05,080
Speaker 3: phone occurred at seven o nine and a nearby camera

1239
01:06:05,280 --> 01:06:11,240
Speaker 3: captured a splash in the East River. Yeah, and he

1240
01:06:11,600 --> 01:06:14,080
Speaker 3: was never seen leaving the bridge.

1241
01:06:14,520 --> 01:06:19,240
Speaker 2: No, this is soleable, you know, And if anyone doesn't

1242
01:06:19,280 --> 01:06:22,160
Speaker 2: know that area the Long Island Railroad is, this is

1243
01:06:22,200 --> 01:06:24,440
Speaker 2: about like an hour and twenty minutes outside of New

1244
01:06:24,480 --> 01:06:28,160
Speaker 2: York City. And you know, New Yorkers we take railroads,

1245
01:06:28,200 --> 01:06:30,280
Speaker 2: you know, we take a train into the city. And

1246
01:06:30,360 --> 01:06:32,520
Speaker 2: you know, certainly as kids and teenagers, you get on

1247
01:06:32,520 --> 01:06:34,480
Speaker 2: the train, you go to Manhattan and live it up,

1248
01:06:34,560 --> 01:06:37,240
Speaker 2: and you go to Penn Station in New York City

1249
01:06:37,360 --> 01:06:40,240
Speaker 2: and Gallivant and then you take the train back.

1250
01:06:40,360 --> 01:06:42,560
Speaker 3: So it wouldn't be completely.

1251
01:06:41,920 --> 01:06:45,800
Speaker 2: Uncommon to hop on the stony Brook train station at

1252
01:06:45,800 --> 01:06:48,240
Speaker 2: that age, but by yourself.

1253
01:06:47,800 --> 01:06:52,880
Speaker 3: To the city and then go on the Matton Bridge. Yeah,

1254
01:06:52,880 --> 01:06:58,160
Speaker 3: so you know, nothing's been confirmed yet. Earlier, you know,

1255
01:06:58,200 --> 01:07:02,560
Speaker 3: when the case was in the beginning, his mother, ava Yan,

1256
01:07:03,360 --> 01:07:05,680
Speaker 3: said that she believed her son might have been meeting

1257
01:07:05,720 --> 01:07:09,640
Speaker 3: someone he met on the game, but after police reviewed

1258
01:07:09,680 --> 01:07:12,480
Speaker 3: all of social media and device data, they haven't found

1259
01:07:12,480 --> 01:07:17,440
Speaker 3: any evidence linking the platform to his disappearance. And nothing

1260
01:07:17,520 --> 01:07:21,120
Speaker 3: is confirmed, right right, thank you, Nothing is confirmed yet.

1261
01:07:22,280 --> 01:07:26,400
Speaker 3: But that's the update right now. And if you have

1262
01:07:26,520 --> 01:07:31,440
Speaker 3: any information or you know where you know, please google

1263
01:07:31,480 --> 01:07:36,160
Speaker 3: his name. His name is Thomas Medlin meed l I N.

1264
01:07:36,840 --> 01:07:39,440
Speaker 3: He's five to four, he's around one hundred and thirty pounds.

1265
01:07:39,520 --> 01:07:43,640
Speaker 3: He's biracial. He's white and Asian, and he was last

1266
01:07:43,640 --> 01:07:47,720
Speaker 3: seen wearing a black jacket with red stripes, dark sweatpants

1267
01:07:47,840 --> 01:07:51,600
Speaker 3: with white stripes, glasses and he had a black backpack

1268
01:07:51,640 --> 01:07:55,400
Speaker 3: with him. If you have any information, please call the

1269
01:07:55,440 --> 01:08:01,160
Speaker 3: Suffolk County Police Department or the Fourth Square Detectives at

1270
01:08:01,280 --> 01:08:06,280
Speaker 3: six three one eight five four eight four five two,

1271
01:08:06,520 --> 01:08:08,440
Speaker 3: or you can simply call nine one one.

1272
01:08:08,720 --> 01:08:10,840
Speaker 2: It was a weird backpack too, right, it was it

1273
01:08:10,960 --> 01:08:12,640
Speaker 2: was it was up with the backpack.

1274
01:08:12,760 --> 01:08:16,479
Speaker 4: Well, I mean he had he had a regular backpack

1275
01:08:16,479 --> 01:08:19,280
Speaker 4: and I had a regular backpack. But he was carrying

1276
01:08:20,200 --> 01:08:22,120
Speaker 4: a bag. It was somebody bag and I have my

1277
01:08:22,320 --> 01:08:25,320
Speaker 4: both of my arms out. Yeah big, it was like

1278
01:08:25,360 --> 01:08:27,080
Speaker 4: it was a basket size.

1279
01:08:27,880 --> 01:08:31,800
Speaker 2: It was it possible that he was carrying like he

1280
01:08:31,920 --> 01:08:34,080
Speaker 2: was going to do some sort of like it maybe

1281
01:08:34,200 --> 01:08:36,960
Speaker 2: did and is still a well and just you know,

1282
01:08:37,400 --> 01:08:41,960
Speaker 2: still doing his like a parachute top or some sort

1283
01:08:42,000 --> 01:08:45,920
Speaker 2: of like sailing situation that you would you know, only

1284
01:08:45,960 --> 01:08:50,320
Speaker 2: a teenager, without thinking clearly, would schlep to the city

1285
01:08:50,360 --> 01:08:52,679
Speaker 2: and test it out on the East River.

1286
01:08:53,040 --> 01:08:53,880
Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't know.

1287
01:08:55,160 --> 01:08:57,360
Speaker 2: It's not the update I wanted to give. I'm so

1288
01:08:58,120 --> 01:09:01,679
Speaker 2: hearts are really breaking for his family. Yeah, maybe we'll

1289
01:09:01,680 --> 01:09:02,920
Speaker 2: find him. Well I hope we do.

1290
01:09:03,320 --> 01:09:05,519
Speaker 3: I know. Well, they're checking like homeless camps and things

1291
01:09:05,560 --> 01:09:08,679
Speaker 3: like that right now, hoping that he's you know, somewhere

1292
01:09:08,680 --> 01:09:12,439
Speaker 3: in there. But no no news, no news yet.

1293
01:09:12,760 --> 01:09:14,840
Speaker 2: There's a lot of activity at the East River though,

1294
01:09:14,880 --> 01:09:17,600
Speaker 2: like there is stuff there like that's you know, just

1295
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Speaker 2: one splash.

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Speaker 3: They could be unrelated.

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01:09:21,160 --> 01:09:23,720
Speaker 2: Let's hold hope in space for the idea that they

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01:09:23,760 --> 01:09:25,639
Speaker 2: were right, this.

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Speaker 3: Is true Crampton in and iHeartRadio. I'm Boddy movin and

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01:09:28,240 --> 01:09:30,759
Speaker 3: I'm here with Steph and Courtney the Bat. The band

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01:09:30,840 --> 01:09:31,559
Speaker 3: is back together.

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Speaker 1: Right.

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01:09:32,640 --> 01:09:36,679
Speaker 3: We were just giving an update in the Tomless medline case. Right,

1304
01:09:37,360 --> 01:09:39,200
Speaker 3: not a good update. But let's go to a talk

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01:09:39,200 --> 01:09:41,280
Speaker 3: back and kind of try to change the tone a

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01:09:41,320 --> 01:09:41,760
Speaker 3: little bit.

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Speaker 7: Hi, True crime tonight. Just want to walk into twenty

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01:09:45,720 --> 01:09:50,080
Speaker 7: twenty six. I'm so sorry about Deefaney and my heart

1309
01:09:50,120 --> 01:09:54,240
Speaker 7: goes out to her. Just can't wait to continue to

1310
01:09:54,520 --> 01:09:57,719
Speaker 7: your updates. Thank you you are so sweet.

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01:09:58,800 --> 01:10:04,799
Speaker 3: Oh we kept saying we missed stuff and there's a

1312
01:10:04,840 --> 01:10:08,080
Speaker 3: tree in her house and I know you know what

1313
01:10:08,200 --> 01:10:08,800
Speaker 3: people have had it.

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01:10:09,240 --> 01:10:11,240
Speaker 2: Listen, there was that one second that I was like,

1315
01:10:11,320 --> 01:10:12,800
Speaker 2: I started to well up and cry.

1316
01:10:12,880 --> 01:10:16,040
Speaker 3: I was like, I'm so like what it feels like.

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01:10:16,479 --> 01:10:21,479
Speaker 2: It's it's it's personally of course, your personal mother nature.

1318
01:10:21,760 --> 01:10:24,400
Speaker 2: It's me against you at this point, and like, what

1319
01:10:24,600 --> 01:10:26,200
Speaker 2: is the larger message here?

1320
01:10:26,840 --> 01:10:29,920
Speaker 3: I'm trying. I've said it here. I'm not.

1321
01:10:30,920 --> 01:10:34,880
Speaker 2: I'm a simpleton. I I want for nothing. I'm not,

1322
01:10:36,360 --> 01:10:39,519
Speaker 2: but you know it's so annoying, right, and it's it's

1323
01:10:39,520 --> 01:10:43,879
Speaker 2: scary and but then I was reminded, and I continue

1324
01:10:43,880 --> 01:10:45,760
Speaker 2: to tell myself this, but you know, we weren't here,

1325
01:10:46,040 --> 01:10:48,400
Speaker 2: and that would have been really, really scary if my

1326
01:10:48,439 --> 01:10:52,360
Speaker 2: poor mother was here. Orn like a tree fell in

1327
01:10:52,400 --> 01:10:55,360
Speaker 2: his room, you know, and he's been sitting as a

1328
01:10:55,439 --> 01:10:59,560
Speaker 2: dog ever since, you know, so like that is divine.

1329
01:10:59,680 --> 01:11:02,719
Speaker 2: I didn't have to escape it. And so many people

1330
01:11:02,960 --> 01:11:05,720
Speaker 2: listening right now get it. They've all been dealing with

1331
01:11:05,760 --> 01:11:09,759
Speaker 2: a version of it themselves and so much worse.

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01:11:10,080 --> 01:11:13,800
Speaker 3: So I'm grateful it's all perspective, right. Yeah. It is

1333
01:11:13,800 --> 01:11:17,080
Speaker 3: annoying though, and it does. You can't have it all.

1334
01:11:17,280 --> 01:11:21,439
Speaker 2: It cannot all be fun in the sun kids.

1335
01:11:21,280 --> 01:11:22,719
Speaker 3: It's like, can't.

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01:11:22,479 --> 01:11:25,920
Speaker 2: Be kisses and carpets all day, carpet red carpets and

1337
01:11:26,000 --> 01:11:28,880
Speaker 2: kisses like you just like you get all in your

1338
01:11:28,920 --> 01:11:30,960
Speaker 2: head about I'm gonna get dressed up, Oh my gosh,

1339
01:11:31,000 --> 01:11:32,479
Speaker 2: and this is gonna be fun, and then in the

1340
01:11:32,560 --> 01:11:35,679
Speaker 2: same breath, you know, there's a seesaw to it all.

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01:11:35,760 --> 01:11:36,000
Speaker 5: Right.

1342
01:11:36,640 --> 01:11:39,360
Speaker 3: One lesson I have learned in life, and it's really

1343
01:11:39,400 --> 01:11:42,880
Speaker 3: served me well, is to go into every experience with

1344
01:11:43,080 --> 01:11:46,679
Speaker 3: no expectations. Isn't that the truth? Because if you don't

1345
01:11:46,680 --> 01:11:48,519
Speaker 3: have it now. It's hard because I do that too.

1346
01:11:48,720 --> 01:11:51,519
Speaker 3: I have like this little fantasy in my head of

1347
01:11:51,560 --> 01:11:53,000
Speaker 3: how things are going to go and what I'm going

1348
01:11:53,080 --> 01:11:54,800
Speaker 3: to look like and who I'm going to interact with

1349
01:11:54,880 --> 01:11:58,000
Speaker 3: and exactly. I mean, like it's ridiculous, right, but if

1350
01:11:58,040 --> 01:12:01,400
Speaker 3: you go into experiences without any expectations at all, you're

1351
01:12:01,520 --> 01:12:04,720
Speaker 3: never going to be disappointed. It's so true. And I

1352
01:12:05,560 --> 01:12:07,519
Speaker 3: was reminded of the parable again too.

1353
01:12:07,560 --> 01:12:09,800
Speaker 2: Again, this is not life and death, this is stuff, right,

1354
01:12:09,880 --> 01:12:14,320
Speaker 2: So people are really getting injured and far hill, we're displaced,

1355
01:12:14,520 --> 01:12:18,679
Speaker 2: so this is starving and like these are small potatoes

1356
01:12:18,680 --> 01:12:20,680
Speaker 2: stuff right. Our troops are being you know, I mean,

1357
01:12:20,920 --> 01:12:24,040
Speaker 2: my heart goes out to It's tough right now on

1358
01:12:24,160 --> 01:12:27,439
Speaker 2: all fronts. And the weather thing is just very very weird.

1359
01:12:27,520 --> 01:12:29,200
Speaker 2: And I was like, I feel like I'm in quicksand

1360
01:12:29,360 --> 01:12:34,240
Speaker 2: with like well trying to get out of it. And

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01:12:34,280 --> 01:12:36,280
Speaker 2: then I was like, oh, but good thing. I've been

1362
01:12:36,280 --> 01:12:40,960
Speaker 2: wearing my weight my weighted vest that I was stronger.

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01:12:46,040 --> 01:12:49,559
Speaker 3: My is getting there and I will swim out of this.

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01:12:49,840 --> 01:12:51,519
Speaker 3: Do we have time for another talk? Yes?

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01:12:51,560 --> 01:12:53,559
Speaker 6: We do this, This one I really wanted to get to.

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01:12:53,720 --> 01:12:55,479
Speaker 6: So Okay, curious what you think.

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Speaker 5: High, ladies. My name is Amanda. I'm from Missouri. I

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01:12:59,720 --> 01:13:02,000
Speaker 5: was just wondering your opinion when it came to the

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01:13:02,040 --> 01:13:06,839
Speaker 5: Idaho for photos being released in the full bodycam footage

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01:13:06,880 --> 01:13:10,840
Speaker 5: being released. I was just wondering if you felt like

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01:13:10,920 --> 01:13:13,599
Speaker 5: we really needed to see all those photos. I understand

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01:13:13,600 --> 01:13:17,040
Speaker 5: public record and everything, but I feel like it could

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01:13:17,080 --> 01:13:21,799
Speaker 5: do more harm to the families than what it's worth.

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Speaker 3: Thanks. Right, that's a good question. I mean, I think

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01:13:26,760 --> 01:13:30,560
Speaker 3: we all kind of feel differently about it. Do you

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01:13:30,600 --> 01:13:31,240
Speaker 3: want me to start?

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01:13:32,439 --> 01:13:34,960
Speaker 6: I love this question so that people know what she's

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01:13:34,960 --> 01:13:37,719
Speaker 6: talking about, because some people are Yeah.

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01:13:37,800 --> 01:13:41,400
Speaker 3: So there's, uh, there's been a lot of information that

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Speaker 3: has been released in the Idaho for student murders. Of course,

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01:13:45,320 --> 01:13:50,000
Speaker 3: Brian Coberger is serving, you know, for life sentences plus

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01:13:50,040 --> 01:13:55,960
Speaker 3: for burglary and he pled so there was never a trial, Okay,

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01:13:56,120 --> 01:14:00,640
Speaker 3: So now that he is in you know, he's been convicted, basically,

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01:14:00,920 --> 01:14:03,000
Speaker 3: they're starting to release some of the information that we

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01:14:03,040 --> 01:14:08,599
Speaker 3: would have seen during the trial, right and possibly not

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01:14:08,640 --> 01:14:14,320
Speaker 3: every we not right so, and just recently over the

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01:14:14,400 --> 01:14:20,759
Speaker 3: maybe the last two weeks, autopsy results information no pictures

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01:14:21,400 --> 01:14:25,120
Speaker 3: were released and pictures of the crime scene were released,

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01:14:26,120 --> 01:14:30,799
Speaker 3: and they're really graphic. Now the victims are blurred and whatnot,

1390
01:14:30,840 --> 01:14:34,480
Speaker 3: but they did a really terrible job in some cases

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01:14:34,880 --> 01:14:38,160
Speaker 3: of you know, blurring some of the victims or in

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01:14:38,200 --> 01:14:43,599
Speaker 3: any case, I do think it is insensitive to the families.

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01:14:43,680 --> 01:14:50,200
Speaker 3: Of course, however, you can't prosecute someone in the dark, right, true,

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01:14:50,439 --> 01:14:54,759
Speaker 3: But I think we at True Chrime Tonight have made

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01:14:55,080 --> 01:15:00,000
Speaker 3: a conscious decision not to talk about those photos because

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01:15:00,120 --> 01:15:04,479
Speaker 3: the families have been very vocal about how painful it

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01:15:04,560 --> 01:15:07,640
Speaker 3: is for them. Now, I do think it's important not

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01:15:07,680 --> 01:15:10,680
Speaker 3: to prosecute someone in the dark. I do look at

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01:15:10,720 --> 01:15:15,000
Speaker 3: these photos personally, but I don't talk about them on

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01:15:15,080 --> 01:15:20,160
Speaker 3: the air because I don't. I just keep imagining like

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01:15:21,360 --> 01:15:24,960
Speaker 3: one of the family victims whatever whoever, even a cousin

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01:15:25,840 --> 01:15:29,839
Speaker 3: scrolling on Facebook and seeing my stupid face with blood

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01:15:29,880 --> 01:15:32,320
Speaker 3: behind me pointing at it, you know what I mean,

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01:15:32,439 --> 01:15:35,000
Speaker 3: Like look at this, I think this happened. This is

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01:15:35,040 --> 01:15:36,360
Speaker 3: you know what I mean? And just it makes me

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01:15:36,400 --> 01:15:39,599
Speaker 3: feel icky. So that's why I'm not talking about it publicly.

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01:15:39,640 --> 01:15:42,519
Speaker 3: Does that make sense? But I am absolutely looking at

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01:15:42,520 --> 01:15:50,439
Speaker 3: them privately. Why because my mind is that it's the puzzle.

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01:15:51,600 --> 01:15:55,040
Speaker 4: But also you said, you know that you can't prosecute

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01:15:55,080 --> 01:15:56,000
Speaker 4: someone in the dark.

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01:15:56,920 --> 01:15:58,720
Speaker 3: But this case, he.

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01:16:00,960 --> 01:16:06,840
Speaker 4: Brian Coberger YEAP has said guilty of guilty of all charges, correct,

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01:16:07,439 --> 01:16:08,559
Speaker 4: right and.

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01:16:10,280 --> 01:16:11,920
Speaker 3: Honest? Why for you?

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01:16:11,960 --> 01:16:14,599
Speaker 4: So I guess why is that not enough for you

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01:16:14,640 --> 01:16:16,880
Speaker 4: in this particular case?

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01:16:16,920 --> 01:16:22,439
Speaker 3: I mean, you couldn't. Pleading that you're guilty to avoid

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01:16:22,479 --> 01:16:25,640
Speaker 3: a death sentence is never enough for me. That's but

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01:16:25,680 --> 01:16:28,040
Speaker 3: that's just me, though I understand that, you know what

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01:16:28,080 --> 01:16:31,200
Speaker 3: I mean, it had the death penalty noted on the table,

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01:16:31,240 --> 01:16:34,880
Speaker 3: would he have plood guilty? Listen? I think he did it.

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01:16:34,960 --> 01:16:37,519
Speaker 3: There's no question, there's no question for me that he

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01:16:37,560 --> 01:16:42,400
Speaker 3: did it. It's more for me the puzzle again of

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01:16:42,680 --> 01:16:45,600
Speaker 3: what happened that night, specifically what room did he go

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01:16:45,640 --> 01:16:48,519
Speaker 3: to first? What? You know, that kind of thing, because

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01:16:48,520 --> 01:16:51,120
Speaker 3: the official narrative just really never made a whole lot

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01:16:51,160 --> 01:16:53,639
Speaker 3: of sense to me, because I think something different did happen.

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01:16:54,320 --> 01:16:58,280
Speaker 3: But I do think he's one solely responsible. But it's

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01:16:58,439 --> 01:17:00,559
Speaker 3: just from a first and I'm you know, you know me,

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01:17:00,640 --> 01:17:03,560
Speaker 3: I'm not like, you know, glorifying this in any capacity.

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01:17:04,120 --> 01:17:08,680
Speaker 3: I come from it from a really not scientific perspective,

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01:17:08,920 --> 01:17:12,760
Speaker 3: but analytical perspective. I'm not, you know, but anyway, that's

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01:17:12,800 --> 01:17:13,559
Speaker 3: how I feel about it.

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01:17:13,600 --> 01:17:15,800
Speaker 2: Can I ask a question, though, has there been anything

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01:17:16,080 --> 01:17:20,280
Speaker 2: gleaned in your in your purview since seeing these?

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01:17:22,080 --> 01:17:22,240
Speaker 5: Not?

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01:17:22,280 --> 01:17:25,879
Speaker 3: Really no, I mean nothing, nothing that changes and obviously

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01:17:25,880 --> 01:17:29,640
Speaker 3: that changes anything clear? And why are being released so publicly?

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01:17:29,720 --> 01:17:32,599
Speaker 2: Like typically when we would work on a case, because

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01:17:32,600 --> 01:17:36,880
Speaker 2: it's public record or it's been under or files, you

1441
01:17:36,960 --> 01:17:40,679
Speaker 2: can make a request and if there's a specific reason

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01:17:40,960 --> 01:17:44,080
Speaker 2: for that request, it doesn't just like show up on

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01:17:44,160 --> 01:17:48,479
Speaker 2: my Instagram, right because people get.

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01:17:48,280 --> 01:17:52,200
Speaker 3: Paid for content. Now, you know, you have YouTube subscribers

1445
01:17:52,240 --> 01:17:56,280
Speaker 3: and they send you super chats and memberships, and you

1446
01:17:56,360 --> 01:17:58,360
Speaker 3: know you have to be maybe a member to watch

1447
01:17:58,360 --> 01:18:00,559
Speaker 3: the YouTube channel and watch your favorite you tube talk

1448
01:18:00,600 --> 01:18:04,000
Speaker 3: about the pictures, and then somebody screenshots it and downloads

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01:18:04,000 --> 01:18:06,439
Speaker 3: it and posts it to Instagram and et cetera, et cetera.

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01:18:07,000 --> 01:18:10,559
Speaker 3: We're in a different world right now. Can we continue

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01:18:10,560 --> 01:18:11,240
Speaker 3: this conversation.

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01:18:11,280 --> 01:18:12,720
Speaker 2: I know we have to go to a break, but

1453
01:18:12,960 --> 01:18:15,600
Speaker 2: I'm so curious because there were a couple of takeaways

1454
01:18:15,600 --> 01:18:20,280
Speaker 2: from me from that photo dumb too, and I am curious.

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01:18:20,800 --> 01:18:22,679
Speaker 2: And again, if this is too much for anybody listening

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01:18:22,720 --> 01:18:24,280
Speaker 2: all of this stuff is a little bit triggering that

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01:18:24,320 --> 01:18:27,880
Speaker 2: we're talking about too. I think the Epstein files, the

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01:18:27,920 --> 01:18:30,000
Speaker 2: Coburger photos.

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01:18:29,520 --> 01:18:30,959
Speaker 3: Can be very, very triggering.

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01:18:31,120 --> 01:18:35,040
Speaker 2: So yeah, you know, stay with us though, We'll be back.

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Speaker 2: Welcome back to true crime tonight on iHeartRadio. We've been

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01:18:48,320 --> 01:18:51,280
Speaker 2: talking true crime all the time staff here with Courtney

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01:18:51,280 --> 01:18:54,519
Speaker 2: and Boddy, and we were just discussing the talk back,

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01:18:54,560 --> 01:18:56,040
Speaker 2: which thank you for it, by the way.

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01:18:56,720 --> 01:18:59,040
Speaker 3: Just regarding the Brian Coburger.

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01:19:01,040 --> 01:19:04,960
Speaker 2: Dump of photographs that are very graphic from the crime scene. Obviously,

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01:19:05,000 --> 01:19:10,160
Speaker 2: we make the podcast on iHeartRadio the Idaho Massacre All Seasons,

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01:19:10,320 --> 01:19:13,800
Speaker 2: as well as the documentary the the Idaho Student Murders

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01:19:13,880 --> 01:19:17,880
Speaker 2: on Peacock So close to close to our hearts this subject,

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01:19:18,160 --> 01:19:20,720
Speaker 2: and yeah, we feel like we've seen every piece of

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01:19:20,760 --> 01:19:23,960
Speaker 2: information that's out there regarding this case. It became sort

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01:19:23,960 --> 01:19:28,160
Speaker 2: of an obsession for all of us, frankly, and yeah,

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01:19:28,160 --> 01:19:30,840
Speaker 2: and to Courtney's point, he didn't it's over.

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01:19:31,120 --> 01:19:34,760
Speaker 3: He did not have to. I'll alqute.

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01:19:35,360 --> 01:19:38,720
Speaker 2: So you're I see both sides of this, whereas you know, yeah,

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01:19:38,760 --> 01:19:40,559
Speaker 2: body is like, this is your what you do for

1477
01:19:40,600 --> 01:19:43,360
Speaker 2: a living, this is what you analyze, every little piece

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01:19:43,360 --> 01:19:46,240
Speaker 2: of the puzzle is like, yes, it's a part of it,

1479
01:19:46,800 --> 01:19:49,040
Speaker 2: and court on your side. It's kind of not that

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01:19:49,080 --> 01:19:51,320
Speaker 2: they're sides. But you know, the other side to that

1481
01:19:51,720 --> 01:19:55,360
Speaker 2: is he took a plea and game over and why

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01:19:55,400 --> 01:19:58,960
Speaker 2: the dump? And I guess I'm afraid a little bit.

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01:19:59,040 --> 01:20:00,960
Speaker 2: I guess my feeling on And we've talked about this

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01:20:00,960 --> 01:20:04,480
Speaker 2: t nauseum off air of how to cover it because

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01:20:04,640 --> 01:20:07,519
Speaker 2: inquiring minds I want to know, and I'm curious too,

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01:20:07,560 --> 01:20:11,040
Speaker 2: and I have looked, and I do think it's part

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01:20:11,040 --> 01:20:15,080
Speaker 2: of the job. But I'm an adult and I know

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01:20:15,160 --> 01:20:18,760
Speaker 2: what I'm getting into. And frankly, there's things that I've

1489
01:20:18,800 --> 01:20:21,040
Speaker 2: seen in our job that I really wish I hadn't

1490
01:20:21,120 --> 01:20:24,320
Speaker 2: and has changed my DNA in some way. It's like

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01:20:24,400 --> 01:20:28,479
Speaker 2: you can't unsee it, and it really, it really does,

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01:20:28,520 --> 01:20:31,519
Speaker 2: and it should, you know, we shouldn't be desensitized to it.

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01:20:31,560 --> 01:20:35,960
Speaker 2: And I get worried that it being so available, you know,

1494
01:20:35,960 --> 01:20:39,720
Speaker 2: knowing so many grim details about little you know Xana Kernodle,

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01:20:39,800 --> 01:20:42,080
Speaker 2: how she fought so deeply and that her wound count

1496
01:20:42,200 --> 01:20:46,799
Speaker 2: was so unspeakable. Yes, that it's important to know those facts,

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01:20:46,840 --> 01:20:48,679
Speaker 2: but I don't know that we need to be seeing them,

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01:20:48,840 --> 01:20:51,519
Speaker 2: and I just want to really encourage people to be

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01:20:51,640 --> 01:20:56,000
Speaker 2: mindful and careful when I don't want you to look. Honestly,

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01:20:56,200 --> 01:20:58,280
Speaker 2: if it were up to me, I would put a

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01:20:58,320 --> 01:21:02,280
Speaker 2: hard note out of respect for the victims families they

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01:21:02,320 --> 01:21:05,559
Speaker 2: have asked not to. It's like going to somebody's funeral

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01:21:05,600 --> 01:21:07,519
Speaker 2: and ripping open the casket and.

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01:21:07,800 --> 01:21:12,439
Speaker 4: Taking their clothes taking off and using a makeup wipe

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01:21:12,479 --> 01:21:13,880
Speaker 4: to take the makeup off.

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01:21:14,000 --> 01:21:14,519
Speaker 3: That's right.

1507
01:21:14,640 --> 01:21:17,800
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's just like there's something but and the mass

1508
01:21:17,880 --> 01:21:21,040
Speaker 2: is for an investigation if we're working on a case

1509
01:21:21,160 --> 01:21:23,880
Speaker 2: or you know, there's like there is something very sacred

1510
01:21:24,120 --> 01:21:27,719
Speaker 2: about that material, and I just think should be handled

1511
01:21:27,720 --> 01:21:31,240
Speaker 2: with such sacred care. Number one, So it being so

1512
01:21:31,320 --> 01:21:35,400
Speaker 2: freely available freaks me out a little bit. And also

1513
01:21:35,520 --> 01:21:38,599
Speaker 2: I think it does desensitize people, and I just want

1514
01:21:38,640 --> 01:21:40,799
Speaker 2: people not to look. It's like seeing a snuff movie.

1515
01:21:41,040 --> 01:21:44,920
Speaker 2: It's too graphic and you cannot come back from it.

1516
01:21:44,960 --> 01:21:45,599
Speaker 3: And we'll look.

1517
01:21:45,680 --> 01:21:50,720
Speaker 2: We will do the looking, and we'll share some information

1518
01:21:51,200 --> 01:21:53,960
Speaker 2: as as it's helpful, right if there, and if you

1519
01:21:53,960 --> 01:21:56,599
Speaker 2: have a question, you could even ask, but you know,

1520
01:21:56,800 --> 01:21:59,439
Speaker 2: and we'll find the answer out in lieu of you

1521
01:21:59,520 --> 01:22:01,240
Speaker 2: looking at graphic photos like that.

1522
01:22:01,600 --> 01:22:03,920
Speaker 3: I would rather take the hit right exactly like.

1523
01:22:03,880 --> 01:22:06,240
Speaker 2: We're sort of and by the way, sometimes I struggle

1524
01:22:06,280 --> 01:22:08,519
Speaker 2: with it. We could ask this all the time. You know,

1525
01:22:08,720 --> 01:22:11,160
Speaker 2: what do you do with the autopsy reports in your head?

1526
01:22:11,439 --> 01:22:12,880
Speaker 2: You know when you try to sleep at night? And

1527
01:22:13,040 --> 01:22:14,960
Speaker 2: it used to take its toll on all of us

1528
01:22:15,000 --> 01:22:19,120
Speaker 2: at different times, and we've gotten tools and no time place,

1529
01:22:19,200 --> 01:22:21,920
Speaker 2: and you know, cops have to deal with this all

1530
01:22:21,960 --> 01:22:24,080
Speaker 2: the time. Not that we're cops, but you know, there's

1531
01:22:24,160 --> 01:22:27,760
Speaker 2: like there is some sacredness. So number one, that's why

1532
01:22:27,760 --> 01:22:30,800
Speaker 2: we haven't really gone down the rabbit hole because there

1533
01:22:30,840 --> 01:22:36,400
Speaker 2: hasn't been anything gleaned from them that would shape the investigation. Nothing,

1534
01:22:36,600 --> 01:22:39,560
Speaker 2: nothing other than just really gross.

1535
01:22:39,120 --> 01:22:42,719
Speaker 3: Just details like that are just not really worth repeating

1536
01:22:44,000 --> 01:22:45,160
Speaker 3: in my just my opinion.

1537
01:22:45,240 --> 01:22:49,040
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, you know, I a different topic and not

1538
01:22:49,120 --> 01:22:51,880
Speaker 4: to derail we can go back. But last night, and

1539
01:22:51,920 --> 01:22:54,720
Speaker 4: I acknowledged this kind of in the middle of it

1540
01:22:54,800 --> 01:22:59,719
Speaker 4: when we were talking about the trial of the Alexander brothers.

1541
01:22:59,760 --> 01:23:00,679
Speaker 3: It's brothers.

1542
01:23:01,080 --> 01:23:05,400
Speaker 4: They're in a federal sex trafficking case and several of

1543
01:23:05,439 --> 01:23:08,400
Speaker 4: the victims have taken the stand and we're giving graphic

1544
01:23:08,439 --> 01:23:12,680
Speaker 4: accounts of what happened to them. We were relaying them

1545
01:23:13,000 --> 01:23:16,640
Speaker 4: and I pause and I said this, this feels gratuitous

1546
01:23:16,680 --> 01:23:20,599
Speaker 4: to say, but however, these were the victim's words on

1547
01:23:20,640 --> 01:23:21,400
Speaker 4: the stand that.

1548
01:23:21,320 --> 01:23:24,040
Speaker 3: They chose to prosecute this man.

1549
01:23:24,120 --> 01:23:26,680
Speaker 4: It's a tough line, so body, I don't I'm not

1550
01:23:26,720 --> 01:23:31,479
Speaker 4: like sitting in judgment sides of this. But there's lines,

1551
01:23:31,479 --> 01:23:38,080
Speaker 4: and like for me, you know that anyway, there's lines,

1552
01:23:38,160 --> 01:23:40,280
Speaker 4: and there is a line.

1553
01:23:40,520 --> 01:23:42,120
Speaker 2: By the way we talk about this with the Epstein

1554
01:23:42,120 --> 01:23:44,200
Speaker 2: files too, people are digging in that are you know,

1555
01:23:44,439 --> 01:23:47,240
Speaker 2: victims of any level of abuse. This is also very triggering,

1556
01:23:47,360 --> 01:23:51,320
Speaker 2: So same rule applies. You know, it's like tread We

1557
01:23:51,800 --> 01:23:55,000
Speaker 2: want to have access to information, but at the same time,

1558
01:23:55,960 --> 01:23:58,200
Speaker 2: you know, be careful with that information. Not everybody should

1559
01:23:58,200 --> 01:24:02,240
Speaker 2: be in the emergency room watching, you know, surgeries. You know,

1560
01:24:02,320 --> 01:24:05,800
Speaker 2: it's like there's not everybody's built for this. And I

1561
01:24:05,840 --> 01:24:09,320
Speaker 2: just fear that for me ends out of like it

1562
01:24:09,320 --> 01:24:11,719
Speaker 2: gets a little like we are all getting a little

1563
01:24:11,760 --> 01:24:16,599
Speaker 2: too desensitized, I guess is the word. Yeah, perhaps perhaps

1564
01:24:16,720 --> 01:24:18,360
Speaker 2: because justice is a different thing.

1565
01:24:18,680 --> 01:24:21,439
Speaker 3: You know, we want justice, of course, and I think

1566
01:24:21,600 --> 01:24:23,920
Speaker 3: justice has been served, right, But for me, it doesn't

1567
01:24:23,960 --> 01:24:26,400
Speaker 3: even have anything to do with justice or Brancoworker being

1568
01:24:26,400 --> 01:24:31,120
Speaker 3: guilty or whatnot. It's more about how the blood was deposited,

1569
01:24:31,200 --> 01:24:33,320
Speaker 3: and this is what happened, and this is what happened.

1570
01:24:33,320 --> 01:24:36,880
Speaker 3: This was the result, so that next time we cover

1571
01:24:36,920 --> 01:24:39,720
Speaker 3: a caress, I have that knowledge. Do you know it?

1572
01:24:39,720 --> 01:24:44,360
Speaker 3: It has nothing to do with justice in any capacity.

1573
01:24:44,439 --> 01:24:48,599
Speaker 3: That's but that's for me in this situation, and that's

1574
01:24:48,640 --> 01:24:51,000
Speaker 3: how I feel and I and I have looked at

1575
01:24:51,000 --> 01:24:52,880
Speaker 3: the photos, and I have read the reports, and I

1576
01:24:52,880 --> 01:24:55,840
Speaker 3: have read the documents. I just haven't talked about them

1577
01:24:55,880 --> 01:24:59,000
Speaker 3: because it serves no purpose to talk about them. Does

1578
01:24:59,040 --> 01:24:59,559
Speaker 3: that make sense?

1579
01:24:59,760 --> 01:24:59,960
Speaker 2: Yeah?

1580
01:25:00,120 --> 01:25:00,320
Speaker 3: Does.

1581
01:25:00,600 --> 01:25:03,000
Speaker 2: But if a listener, anybody has a question, we're happy

1582
01:25:03,000 --> 01:25:03,479
Speaker 2: to answer.

1583
01:25:03,880 --> 01:25:06,040
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, yeah, let's go down to the topic.

1584
01:25:07,520 --> 01:25:10,640
Speaker 8: Hi, friends, this is just from South Florida. I was

1585
01:25:10,720 --> 01:25:13,040
Speaker 8: just calling because I wanted to say how much I

1586
01:25:13,080 --> 01:25:16,240
Speaker 8: love the behind the microphone idea. I love hearing about

1587
01:25:16,240 --> 01:25:19,960
Speaker 8: body and her thoughts. I can't wait to hear about

1588
01:25:20,000 --> 01:25:23,240
Speaker 8: everybody else. I've been listening to you guys for quite

1589
01:25:23,240 --> 01:25:26,559
Speaker 8: a few months now, and the first time calling or

1590
01:25:26,760 --> 01:25:30,200
Speaker 8: talking in so love you guys. Take care, stay warm.

1591
01:25:30,680 --> 01:25:37,360
Speaker 3: Maybe something sweatshirt. First, I have to fill Stephan. I

1592
01:25:37,360 --> 01:25:40,200
Speaker 3: don't know if you heard. What we did was we

1593
01:25:40,280 --> 01:25:40,920
Speaker 3: just had like a.

1594
01:25:41,200 --> 01:25:43,240
Speaker 6: I came up with a bunch of questions for body,

1595
01:25:43,479 --> 01:25:47,160
Speaker 6: like just things to get to know behind the dts. Yes,

1596
01:25:47,200 --> 01:25:48,800
Speaker 6: and I want to do it with Courtney. I want

1597
01:25:48,840 --> 01:25:50,559
Speaker 6: to do it with you. I even think I even

1598
01:25:50,600 --> 01:25:52,639
Speaker 6: Ava Adam, like it just might be fun for everyone

1599
01:25:52,680 --> 01:25:54,839
Speaker 6: to tell. Yeah, for sure, I get to know everyone.

1600
01:25:54,960 --> 01:25:57,599
Speaker 6: So that's a fun little thing we might be trying.

1601
01:25:57,640 --> 01:26:00,680
Speaker 3: So get ready to love it. Yeah, and to.

1602
01:26:00,640 --> 01:26:02,800
Speaker 6: Your point, that might be a good way of it

1603
01:26:02,880 --> 01:26:05,240
Speaker 6: might lead into some of the swag because we need

1604
01:26:05,280 --> 01:26:07,040
Speaker 6: to figure out so talk to us about what's going

1605
01:26:07,080 --> 01:26:08,799
Speaker 6: on with the so.

1606
01:26:08,800 --> 01:26:13,080
Speaker 2: I Heeart done, Dun Dun, the great iHeart who has

1607
01:26:13,200 --> 01:26:19,040
Speaker 2: been so supportive, have gotten us the sweatshirts and some

1608
01:26:19,160 --> 01:26:25,679
Speaker 2: T shirts black and or white, and some mugs Tonight mugs.

1609
01:26:25,960 --> 01:26:29,479
Speaker 2: So you know, we don't have a ton ton but

1610
01:26:29,560 --> 01:26:31,560
Speaker 2: I think you know we this is a this is

1611
01:26:31,640 --> 01:26:37,360
Speaker 2: the start. And you know, swell Yes and I Heeart,

1612
01:26:37,560 --> 01:26:40,120
Speaker 2: who are the greatest bosses of all time. You know, listen,

1613
01:26:40,120 --> 01:26:41,400
Speaker 2: they're going to want to know, like, how are we

1614
01:26:41,439 --> 01:26:43,479
Speaker 2: dispersing these but I feel like we can probably sneak

1615
01:26:43,520 --> 01:26:45,800
Speaker 2: one weekend wild Cards.

1616
01:26:45,800 --> 01:26:48,760
Speaker 3: Oh okay, the wild Card edition.

1617
01:26:49,439 --> 01:26:53,400
Speaker 2: So there's no like Inventor or a T shirt with

1618
01:26:53,520 --> 01:26:57,000
Speaker 2: you a cup. So this is the spirit of that conversation.

1619
01:26:57,040 --> 01:27:00,639
Speaker 2: I think the idea was call us a lot and

1620
01:27:01,400 --> 01:27:06,519
Speaker 2: swag attached, or you know, you've seen this on other shows,

1621
01:27:06,520 --> 01:27:09,240
Speaker 2: like maybe the fifth caller or the fifth talkback or

1622
01:27:09,800 --> 01:27:16,400
Speaker 2: thetain whatever gets a swag like open to ten at

1623
01:27:16,479 --> 01:27:16,920
Speaker 2: kl I.

1624
01:27:17,000 --> 01:27:23,240
Speaker 6: See, okay, that's good. Whatever person calls and that's a

1625
01:27:23,240 --> 01:27:26,240
Speaker 6: good one. I was thinking, maybe is there.

1626
01:27:26,080 --> 01:27:28,519
Speaker 3: A like a talkback or is there a.

1627
01:27:28,439 --> 01:27:31,120
Speaker 6: Talkback great or is there maybe like a game or

1628
01:27:31,120 --> 01:27:34,120
Speaker 6: something like, you know, we get three clues about a

1629
01:27:34,200 --> 01:27:35,960
Speaker 6: case like I don't know.

1630
01:27:36,000 --> 01:27:40,880
Speaker 3: The victim, the I like that a great idea. Figure

1631
01:27:40,920 --> 01:27:41,240
Speaker 3: it out.

1632
01:27:41,800 --> 01:27:42,760
Speaker 6: Maybe there's something there.

1633
01:27:43,200 --> 01:27:45,880
Speaker 3: Does the case win apros the case? Yeah, that's the

1634
01:27:45,880 --> 01:27:49,280
Speaker 3: case there? You know something like that. Okay, all right,

1635
01:27:49,680 --> 01:27:52,719
Speaker 3: that would be kind of interesting. And the first person

1636
01:27:52,760 --> 01:27:55,080
Speaker 3: with the right answer gets a hoodie or something like

1637
01:27:55,120 --> 01:27:58,200
Speaker 3: that gets a hoodie. Okay, do that one.

1638
01:27:58,760 --> 01:28:02,160
Speaker 2: Okay, So here's maybe some from and then Lay's going

1639
01:28:02,200 --> 01:28:04,439
Speaker 2: to mail them. So the mailings are only going to

1640
01:28:04,520 --> 01:28:07,360
Speaker 2: happen once a week, and you know, we're going out

1641
01:28:07,360 --> 01:28:09,800
Speaker 2: to school here. It's literally like putting it to the mail,

1642
01:28:10,040 --> 01:28:15,320
Speaker 2: like the postage signed with a kiss. So we will

1643
01:28:15,360 --> 01:28:18,280
Speaker 2: personally fold it and put it in a little envelope

1644
01:28:18,520 --> 01:28:23,400
Speaker 2: and send it out. And you know, we just are

1645
01:28:23,439 --> 01:28:28,200
Speaker 2: so appreciative of you guys listening number one and participating

1646
01:28:28,240 --> 01:28:32,519
Speaker 2: and being so interactive and collaborative and kind of giving

1647
01:28:32,600 --> 01:28:34,800
Speaker 2: us the space to play with you each night. So

1648
01:28:36,600 --> 01:28:40,000
Speaker 2: you know, we're all at the same proverbial kitchen table together,

1649
01:28:40,240 --> 01:28:42,479
Speaker 2: and we should all be wearing the same sweatshirts or

1650
01:28:42,840 --> 01:28:43,519
Speaker 2: shirts I'm wearing.

1651
01:28:43,640 --> 01:28:48,080
Speaker 3: It's like a matching pajama party. Because next we'll get

1652
01:28:48,080 --> 01:28:51,880
Speaker 3: the weighted vest going, we'll get some mean we're doing

1653
01:28:51,920 --> 01:28:55,479
Speaker 3: swag off the chain. Love it. Maybe you know what

1654
01:28:55,520 --> 01:28:58,439
Speaker 3: and if somebody has an idea, yeah, like maybe you

1655
01:28:58,560 --> 01:29:01,639
Speaker 3: have like a good contest idea, something that we could

1656
01:29:01,680 --> 01:29:03,840
Speaker 3: do once a week, right, Yeah, is that what you're thinking?

1657
01:29:04,360 --> 01:29:06,719
Speaker 3: It's a call or we was a talk back even

1658
01:29:06,840 --> 01:29:10,000
Speaker 3: like whatever, like if you have an idea because like

1659
01:29:10,200 --> 01:29:12,200
Speaker 3: just like just like Steff just said, you're part of

1660
01:29:12,200 --> 01:29:15,160
Speaker 3: the show too, right to build it together. I mean

1661
01:29:15,200 --> 01:29:15,920
Speaker 3: we're terrible.

1662
01:29:16,160 --> 01:29:18,960
Speaker 2: We're not that great though, at doing our sticks, Like

1663
01:29:18,960 --> 01:29:22,080
Speaker 2: we really we kind of kind of like start things.

1664
01:29:22,080 --> 01:29:26,040
Speaker 3: Kind yeah, we're like, let's do the show of the week.

1665
01:29:26,120 --> 01:29:29,520
Speaker 3: And it was like six months ago, what about our heroes?

1666
01:29:29,680 --> 01:29:33,080
Speaker 3: Or were we going to pave forward with six degrees

1667
01:29:33,160 --> 01:29:37,080
Speaker 3: of heroes and chill? Like we kind of love we

1668
01:29:37,240 --> 01:29:39,519
Speaker 3: kind of we what can we more easy?

1669
01:29:39,680 --> 01:29:39,840
Speaker 5: You know?

1670
01:29:39,960 --> 01:29:41,800
Speaker 3: I think what happened was we want a Christmas break?

1671
01:29:42,000 --> 01:29:47,479
Speaker 3: And then I suggested, like did everyone watch that? I

1672
01:29:47,800 --> 01:29:52,280
Speaker 3: watch Record Scrap, I watched Channel. Yeah, that's true, totally fair.

1673
01:29:52,439 --> 01:29:56,040
Speaker 2: My point is yes, so like, yes, we wouldever we can.

1674
01:29:56,280 --> 01:29:57,720
Speaker 2: I guess my point is we could do whatever we

1675
01:29:57,760 --> 01:30:02,400
Speaker 2: want for a minute, and yeah, and what maybe listeners

1676
01:30:02,400 --> 01:30:04,559
Speaker 2: can give us some clues and ideas, knowing that we'll

1677
01:30:04,600 --> 01:30:06,280
Speaker 2: probably only do it for three weeks.

1678
01:30:06,439 --> 01:30:09,559
Speaker 4: Since since we have total free rain right now, I

1679
01:30:09,600 --> 01:30:13,080
Speaker 4: think the person who just left the talkback, since you've

1680
01:30:13,120 --> 01:30:15,400
Speaker 4: listened for a long time and this was your first time,

1681
01:30:16,320 --> 01:30:18,759
Speaker 4: I vote that we send you something.

1682
01:30:19,320 --> 01:30:21,360
Speaker 3: You got to call back and give us your info.

1683
01:30:22,840 --> 01:30:24,479
Speaker 3: We going to figure out how we get info.

1684
01:30:24,840 --> 01:30:27,040
Speaker 4: No, you just do a talk back because we won't

1685
01:30:27,439 --> 01:30:30,479
Speaker 4: play it. We won't have control to play it or not,

1686
01:30:30,720 --> 01:30:35,480
Speaker 4: and I promise we wouldn't so we would never anyway.

1687
01:30:35,880 --> 01:30:39,040
Speaker 3: Listen, if you just list from Florida and you were

1688
01:30:39,200 --> 01:30:43,360
Speaker 3: the virgin caller, right, give us some talk back back

1689
01:30:43,479 --> 01:30:46,000
Speaker 3: and you're going to get some swag. Just leave us

1690
01:30:46,000 --> 01:30:50,439
Speaker 3: your details and you know, just in South Florida, y Jack,

1691
01:30:50,479 --> 01:30:53,679
Speaker 3: and we'll get you h maybe even your size, right, yes,

1692
01:30:53,840 --> 01:30:57,559
Speaker 3: what do we need? You? Your size do we have?

1693
01:30:57,880 --> 01:31:01,320
Speaker 2: I mean, I think we're gonna all go with baggy,

1694
01:31:01,360 --> 01:31:03,680
Speaker 2: but I'm not sure. I got to check on the

1695
01:31:03,720 --> 01:31:07,600
Speaker 2: size thing. It might just be large and extra large, okay.

1696
01:31:06,680 --> 01:31:09,600
Speaker 6: Maybe black or white, which if she has a preference,

1697
01:31:09,680 --> 01:31:12,800
Speaker 6: she can kind of, you know, let us.

1698
01:31:12,479 --> 01:31:15,880
Speaker 3: One of its allegedly allegedly allegedly on the back. Hopefully

1699
01:31:15,920 --> 01:31:17,360
Speaker 3: she doesn't does it really?

1700
01:31:17,600 --> 01:31:18,559
Speaker 8: Yeah? Yeah? I love.

1701
01:31:19,040 --> 01:31:20,920
Speaker 2: And then it's the little mugs and we should all

1702
01:31:20,960 --> 01:31:22,200
Speaker 2: be using our mugs.

1703
01:31:22,280 --> 01:31:25,800
Speaker 3: I put like highlighters in my mind. You get photo type. Yeah,

1704
01:31:25,880 --> 01:31:27,840
Speaker 3: of course we gave you one. Didn't you get a bug?

1705
01:31:28,160 --> 01:31:29,960
Speaker 3: Not not one that says allegedly on it?

1706
01:31:30,080 --> 01:31:34,479
Speaker 2: Oh no, tonight, mug. Oh I can't sharp sharpener. I

1707
01:31:34,520 --> 01:31:36,160
Speaker 2: have like all my like I don't know why I

1708
01:31:36,160 --> 01:31:38,280
Speaker 2: have so many pencils. He uses pencils, but they're all

1709
01:31:38,280 --> 01:31:39,679
Speaker 2: in my mug. And now I don't want to drink

1710
01:31:39,680 --> 01:31:42,000
Speaker 2: out of it. Yeah, so I need mine.

1711
01:31:42,280 --> 01:31:43,799
Speaker 3: There right there.

1712
01:31:45,160 --> 01:31:48,200
Speaker 4: You're not drinking out of it either. Let's start the kitchen.

1713
01:31:48,280 --> 01:31:52,240
Speaker 4: It gets drunk out of every single week. So I'm

1714
01:31:52,320 --> 01:31:54,040
Speaker 4: strung way to say.

1715
01:31:54,240 --> 01:31:57,160
Speaker 2: So, this is exciting, right, a little silver lining shout

1716
01:31:57,160 --> 01:31:58,599
Speaker 2: out to iHeart for being the best.

1717
01:31:58,960 --> 01:32:04,240
Speaker 3: And let's create a sweatshirt. Swell. I can't even say

1718
01:32:04,280 --> 01:32:09,240
Speaker 3: that sweat that's like Sally sells. She sells by the

1719
01:32:09,240 --> 01:32:12,679
Speaker 3: Sea shows. I did it very good.

1720
01:32:12,840 --> 01:32:14,800
Speaker 2: There you go, and by the way, tomorrow we have

1721
01:32:14,840 --> 01:32:17,920
Speaker 2: an extra big show also, Todd, do you want to

1722
01:32:17,960 --> 01:32:20,320
Speaker 2: tell us what is growing for tomorrow?

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01:32:20,640 --> 01:32:20,880
Speaker 3: Yes.

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01:32:20,920 --> 01:32:22,679
Speaker 6: As a matter of fact, I was going to say

1725
01:32:22,720 --> 01:32:26,680
Speaker 6: that earlier because Courtney quoted the person that is going

1726
01:32:26,720 --> 01:32:30,760
Speaker 6: to be joining us tomorrow. But we have Lisa Phillips

1727
01:32:30,800 --> 01:32:34,880
Speaker 6: and she is an Epstein survivor. She has a podcast

1728
01:32:34,960 --> 01:32:38,080
Speaker 6: call from now on and she's going to join us

1729
01:32:38,120 --> 01:32:41,040
Speaker 6: to share what she lived through and why she's been

1730
01:32:41,120 --> 01:32:43,880
Speaker 6: speaking out so much about what's been going on.

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01:32:45,120 --> 01:32:48,120
Speaker 3: So very excited to bet she has a lot to say.

1732
01:32:48,280 --> 01:32:50,840
Speaker 3: I bet you. I wonder how she feels about this

1733
01:32:50,960 --> 01:32:53,559
Speaker 3: latest dump. I can't imagine.

1734
01:32:53,320 --> 01:32:55,559
Speaker 6: One of many questions that I think we're all going

1735
01:32:55,640 --> 01:32:56,160
Speaker 6: to have for her.

1736
01:32:57,120 --> 01:33:00,120
Speaker 2: So if you guys have any questions too again and

1737
01:33:00,240 --> 01:33:02,439
Speaker 2: just leave us a message or a talk back or

1738
01:33:02,560 --> 01:33:05,080
Speaker 2: hit us up on our socials at True Crime Tonight's

1739
01:33:05,080 --> 01:33:09,240
Speaker 2: show on Instagram and TikTok or at True Crime Tonight

1740
01:33:09,400 --> 01:33:10,360
Speaker 2: on Facebook.

1741
01:33:10,760 --> 01:33:12,400
Speaker 3: We really got to get those to be the same.

1742
01:33:12,720 --> 01:33:16,880
Speaker 2: I know the show versus the Nut Show, it might

1743
01:33:16,920 --> 01:33:20,760
Speaker 2: be too late, but I wish it was and either way,

1744
01:33:21,800 --> 01:33:24,400
Speaker 2: so if we do check it though genuinely like so,

1745
01:33:24,760 --> 01:33:27,040
Speaker 2: you know Whitney checks it every day, and I know

1746
01:33:27,120 --> 01:33:30,200
Speaker 2: Gabe is always checking it and accruing with with Ava.

1747
01:33:30,439 --> 01:33:31,680
Speaker 3: So we are getting.

1748
01:33:31,360 --> 01:33:34,439
Speaker 2: Your ideas and suggestions, so keep them coming.

1749
01:33:34,800 --> 01:33:36,360
Speaker 3: We love them. We love the feedback.

1750
01:33:36,640 --> 01:33:38,679
Speaker 6: We were reading quite a few when you were away,

1751
01:33:38,760 --> 01:33:42,439
Speaker 6: like some really did dms. And people have some powerful things.

1752
01:33:42,520 --> 01:33:44,360
Speaker 6: I think they get even more powerful when they sit

1753
01:33:44,400 --> 01:33:46,759
Speaker 6: down and take pin to paper or because.

1754
01:33:46,880 --> 01:33:50,120
Speaker 2: Put them more time. Yes, and I think people get

1755
01:33:50,120 --> 01:33:52,280
Speaker 2: nervous to call in, but you shouldn't. I don't be nervous.

1756
01:33:53,240 --> 01:33:55,479
Speaker 2: You're in a safe zone.

1757
01:33:55,840 --> 01:33:57,200
Speaker 3: You are in a safe zone with us for one

1758
01:33:57,280 --> 01:33:59,680
Speaker 3: hundred percent, because listen, we're all so different. You're one

1759
01:33:59,720 --> 01:34:02,400
Speaker 3: of us is going to agree with you, right, one

1760
01:34:02,439 --> 01:34:04,959
Speaker 3: of us. I know one thing for sure.

1761
01:34:04,760 --> 01:34:05,160
Speaker 2: That I know.

1762
01:34:05,640 --> 01:34:06,479
Speaker 3: I don't know anything.

1763
01:34:06,600 --> 01:34:08,360
Speaker 2: You know. The older I get, the less I know.

1764
01:34:08,600 --> 01:34:12,240
Speaker 2: So my mind is open at all costs. So big

1765
01:34:12,280 --> 01:34:18,840
Speaker 2: show tomorrow. I love you guys. Thank you. Courtney feels better.

1766
01:34:18,920 --> 01:34:21,880
Speaker 2: Anybody who is sniffling out there, I hope you feel

1767
01:34:21,880 --> 01:34:22,639
Speaker 2: better as well.

1768
01:34:22,680 --> 01:34:24,040
Speaker 3: We will be back tomorrow.

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01:34:24,120 --> 01:34:28,840
Speaker 2: Please tune in for our very special significant episode Epstein's survivor,

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01:34:29,000 --> 01:34:49,960
Speaker 2: Lisa Phillips. Have a great night True Crime Tonight, Stacy