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Speaker 1: There's nothing worse than watching a young person cry because

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Speaker 1: if we do their jobs for them. We have to

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Speaker 1: make them deal with it and then as an adult,

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Speaker 1: helped teach them how to get up so they can

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Speaker 1: have success. This is The Reformed Sports Project, a podcast

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Speaker 1: about restoring healthy balance and perspective in all areas of

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Speaker 1: sports through education and advocacy. I'm Nick Bonacoort from the

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Speaker 1: Reformed Sports Project podcast. Joining me today is Frank Martin,

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Speaker 1: men's basketball head coach at the University of South Carolina.

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Speaker 1: Coach Martin and I talk youth sports development and specialization.

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Speaker 1: I'm really grateful and humbled having he's extremely successful, runs

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Speaker 1: one of the top programs in the country from the

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Speaker 1: at the University of South Carolina, The Game Cox Coach

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Speaker 1: Frank Martin, coach man, thanks for hopping on. Really pumped.

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Speaker 1: Its great to be here with you and extremely excited

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Speaker 1: to have a great conversation and love what you're doing,

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Speaker 1: Love the direction you're taking this in not not to

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Speaker 1: be critical of people, but to make everyone a little

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Speaker 1: bit more understanding of reality, so a lot of respect. Well,

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Speaker 1: I appreciate you there, And that's the whole premise here.

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Speaker 1: And this is where I want to start, because it

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Speaker 1: starts at a young age. We're talking youth sports, we're

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Speaker 1: talking athletic development. Nowadays, it's like we're taking professional athletic

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Speaker 1: ideology and trying to apply to six, seven, eight, nine,

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Speaker 1: and it starts with this specialization. Forget about sample in

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Speaker 1: forget about baseball. Put that down. You're playing basketball year round.

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Speaker 1: so versus sampling of variety of sports, particularly at the

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Speaker 1: young ages. I mean, I'm not into telling people how

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Speaker 1: When you combine them all, eventually, when they get old enough,

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Speaker 1: they're even a better athlete. Whenever they decide to pursue

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Speaker 1: because you only allow to play a certain sport. Secondly,

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Speaker 1: you get them around different mindsets. Football players have a

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Speaker 1: I think it's conducive to a better prepared young man

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Speaker 1: on literally getting mentally exhausted kids burning out. I think

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Speaker 1: I mean, it is what it is. It's a difficult,

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