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Speaker 1: Welcome to the Ozone podcast presented by by Star Credit

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Speaker 1: Junior with Jaguars senior writer John Osan. All Right, and

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Speaker 1: welcome to this week's Ozone podcast presented by by Star.

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Speaker 1: This week's guest, I think Jaguars fans are becoming familiar

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Speaker 1: with her. She talked to us a lot over the

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Speaker 1: years about Tom Coughlin. She was in town this week

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Speaker 1: for the NFL Draft. Uh, somebody I've gotten to know

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Speaker 1: better over the years we've known you said, they're a

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Speaker 1: long time I couldn't respect anybody's knowledge of the NFL

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Speaker 1: more than I respect NFL dot Com columnist, NFL media analyst,

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Speaker 1: NFL media extraordinaire. I guess Judy Batista, Thank you Judy

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Speaker 1: for joining us, and Uh, I guess first of all,

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Speaker 1: you were in Jacksonville this last weekend. Just give me

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Speaker 1: your overall impressions. We'll dig deep into a lot of

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Speaker 1: the things you wrote, but tell me about your time

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Speaker 1: in Jacksonville throughout the draft. What were your impressions. Well,

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Speaker 1: first of all, thanks for that very nice introduction. It's

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Speaker 1: great to see you again. Um. Well, my impression, first

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Speaker 1: of all is how much optimism and energy there was

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Speaker 1: last week you know, you really feel like something new

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Speaker 1: is happening now. Certainly any team that is getting a

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Speaker 1: player like Trevor Lawrence would feel that way. You'd be excited.

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Speaker 1: But you just felt this sort of whole sea change

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Speaker 1: around the franchise. I mean I spent a few minutes

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Speaker 1: word that popped into my head after talking to him

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Speaker 1: just really felt, you know, a lot of new energy there.

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Speaker 1: There's a lot of times because you talked to a

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Speaker 1: lot of people, and I know you as a reporter,

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Speaker 1: when you talked a lot of people, you gain a

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Speaker 1: lot of of knowledge. When you talk to him, tell

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Speaker 1: me about your Russians with shod And I dig a

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Speaker 1: little deeper on his giddiness. What overall is he most

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Speaker 1: excited about. I think he's excited about not just Trevor

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Speaker 1: Lawrence the person and not just urban Meyer the person.

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Speaker 1: But he called this a transformational moment for the franchise.

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Speaker 1: I think he just feels good about the direction they're

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Speaker 1: going in, refreshed about um that you know, the state

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Speaker 1: He's obviously very excited about Trevor, but he the way

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Speaker 1: didn't just have the first overall traft pick in the draft,

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Speaker 1: but he also had the first overall pick of head coaches. UM.

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Speaker 1: He's not surprisingly very high on Urban Meyer and on

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Speaker 1: all the things Urban wants to do, UM to sort

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Speaker 1: of modernize the franchise. He you know, he was shod,

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Speaker 1: same principle roles about winning and and competing, but you've

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Speaker 1: got to have twenty first century practices. You can't have

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Speaker 1: you can't think that the game is being played and

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Speaker 1: that athletes are being handled the way they were in

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Speaker 1: the twentieth century and expect to succeed in the twenty

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Speaker 1: one century. That's just not how it goes anymore. UM.

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Speaker 1: And so I think he feels quite good about the

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Speaker 1: direction that Urban Meyer is going to take the franchise in.

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Speaker 1: I mean, you know you know this, but I mean

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Speaker 1: And I talked to Urban quite a bit about that, Like,

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Speaker 1: you know, we always use the term culture change. How

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Speaker 1: how do you change the culture of a franchise, UM

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Speaker 1: when you can't even get on the field for five months?

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Speaker 1: I mean, what do you do in the meantime? Obviously

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Speaker 1: And so I talked to Urban for quite a while

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Speaker 1: all term for how you take care of players, how

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Speaker 1: I Mean his feeling is, you know, the modern athlete,

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Speaker 1: And he said he was really inspired by you know,

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Speaker 1: if guys want dry needling and acupuncture and plunge pools,

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Speaker 1: And you obviously cover the entire league half for years.

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Speaker 1: And I think it's probably good. You know, it's good

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Speaker 1: And and I think that's that's good for everybody. Had

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Speaker 1: That doesn't mean I think the Jaguars are going to

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Speaker 1: could talk football with gdpt so all day. It's always fascinating.

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Speaker 1: I won't force her to do that because I'm not

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Speaker 1: as interesting as she is. But Judy as always thank

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Speaker 1: you for join us on Jaguars dot com. My fans

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