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Speaker 1: What would you talk about on your on your podcast.

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Speaker 2: Firm Elvis.

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Speaker 1: Fifteen The fifteen.

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Speaker 3: Minute Morning Show, and seven am last Friday, our uncle

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Speaker 3: Johnny passed away. We got the phone called soon after

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Speaker 3: from the incredible, incredible people at Columbia Presbyterian Hospital, and

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Speaker 3: of course, here we go. We knew it was coming soon.

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Speaker 3: He's been sick for a while, but it was he

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Speaker 3: was it was time for him to go. He's just

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Speaker 3: he was ready to go. And of course it's never

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Speaker 3: easy to let people go, even if they want to

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Speaker 3: leave right. So ever since then, we've been talking about

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Speaker 3: Uncle Johnny, reliving moments that made us laugh and made

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Speaker 3: us cringe, and just all sorts of incredible emotions, the

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Speaker 3: rainbow emotions when we think of Uncle Johnny as not

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Speaker 3: only a member of our show, but of family member

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Speaker 3: and very dear friend of ours and me personally and

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Speaker 3: of course my husband Ali. So as a matter of fact,

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Speaker 3: Alex posted something really great on Instagram today.

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Speaker 1: Did you guys see it?

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Speaker 4: Yeah? Yeah, it's a good picture.

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Speaker 3: It was, Yeah, it was. It was written beautifully. See Alex.

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Speaker 3: Maybe do search blah blah blah, didn't prepare Okay, here

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Speaker 3: we go. It was a picture of Alex and Uncle

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Speaker 3: Johnny with the city skyline behind, and Alex says, it's

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Speaker 3: been one week since you left us, and not a

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Speaker 3: day goes by. I don't think of you. I still

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Speaker 3: find myself reaching for the phone to give you a call,

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Speaker 3: only to remember that you're no longer there to answer.

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Speaker 3: I miss our conversations and hearing your voice, but I

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Speaker 3: find comfort in knowing that you'll always be in my heart.

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Speaker 3: I love you, Uncle Johnny. Hashtag love you Forever. So,

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Speaker 3: you know, getting to know Uncle Johnny was an interesting,

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Speaker 3: interesting thing for all of us. It was easy when

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Speaker 3: he was on the air and the regular show, but

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Speaker 3: also we had him on a fifteen minute morning show

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Speaker 3: podcast one day, and so we decided, since maybe you've

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Speaker 3: never heard one of our fifteen minute morning show podcasts,

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Speaker 3: we're going to give you the whole podcast. I don't

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Speaker 3: know if is it fifteen minutes. We never ever really

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Speaker 3: come up to exactly fifteen minutes fourteen? Oh wow, that's

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Speaker 3: actually closer than usual.

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Speaker 2: That's really good.

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Speaker 3: I mean, we've had four minute podcasts where Nate will

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Speaker 3: say pull the card. We'd just because it's called that

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Speaker 3: doesn't mean it is that. But anyway, so we thought

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Speaker 3: it'd be interesting for you to hear this podcast where

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Speaker 3: at the beginning of the podcast, we're sitting there scratching

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Speaker 3: our heads thinking, but what are we going to talk about?

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Speaker 3: And then Nate decided, well, since we've got Uncle Johnny,

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Speaker 3: let's turn this podcast into a getting to know you

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Speaker 3: Uncle Johnny podcast, And so I want you to listen

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Speaker 3: to this.

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Speaker 1: It's very interesting.

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Speaker 3: Here the fifteen minute morning show podcast is here, it's now,

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Speaker 3: it's yes, okay, So we've got Scottie b here today,

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Speaker 3: we've got Gandhi and it smells like sewage where she's sittings,

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Speaker 3: and there's You're too late, and there's Scary and Froggy's

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Speaker 3: up there in Jacksonville High from our.

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Speaker 1: Special guest, Uncle Johnny's an.

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Speaker 3: There you go, there's Garrett, here's Danielle, here's straight Nate.

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Speaker 4: Can we make this with the Uncle Johnny edition? Remember

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Speaker 4: were we didn't ask Uncle Johnny anything?

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Speaker 1: Okay?

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Speaker 4: So during one of the breaks, Uncle Johnny was telling

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Speaker 4: me something interesting. He technically worked for the mob. Is

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Speaker 4: that not correct?

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Speaker 2: Yes? Well your dad right right? No, my dad was

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Speaker 2: That was before I came to New York, when I

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Speaker 2: worked Stonewall All.

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Speaker 1: That's right to see.

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Speaker 3: The mob used to own a lot of the gay

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Speaker 3: bars here in New York, right, Yes, that's how they

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Speaker 3: kept them open because they ran the city.

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Speaker 5: Another mom didn't exist.

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Speaker 2: Well, back then it was illegal to be gay. I

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Speaker 2: was when I was working at the Stonewall all the

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Speaker 2: clubs back then, you had to knock on the.

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Speaker 1: Door and say was there a secret knock?

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Speaker 2: He's just knock and say who you were? Well, what

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Speaker 1: Did you have to admit you were?

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Speaker 2: Danny Grade, the joints did come in or if we

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Speaker 2: were standing on a corner, the three you and I

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Speaker 1: No homosexuals may congregate.

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Speaker 2: And you go to a bar and you have to

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Speaker 4: Let's say you and I were on a street corner

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Speaker 4: and I'm not gay, but you are? Would I go

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Speaker 2: They'd probably bring you in. Also, yeah, you're early. That's

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Speaker 2: why it takes to the tango exactly.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. Johnny also tells a great story to go to

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Speaker 3: There's a great story Johnny has about Fire Island, which

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Speaker 3: is all the weekends, men especially men and some women

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Speaker 3: in the city would act straight and then on the

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Speaker 3: and they could live these great gay lives, right, but

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Speaker 3: they would raid those clubs sometimes too, And so that's

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Speaker 3: why lesbians were invited to dance with the gay men,

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Speaker 3: because the way the guys can dance together.

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Speaker 2: Would have to have with one man would have to

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Speaker 1: Oh my, wow, you have to pay the women to

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Speaker 2: No, they were out there, they were the Weslings. But

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Speaker 2: but there was just a few with them at the time.

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Speaker 2: But yeah, you always yeah, it's it'd stand on the

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Speaker 2: owner of the club would say at Jimmy Murray would

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Speaker 2: I need a girl over here, We need a girl.

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Speaker 3: Can you imagine dancing on the next floor and then

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Speaker 2: Would There was no DJs back then, there was. There

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Speaker 2: things on the jukebox, and that's why you danced and everything.

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Speaker 1: Who was the most popular song?

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Speaker 2: Oh god, I can't remember back, I can't remember. I go,

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Speaker 6: But Johnny, when the police came up, came up to you,

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Speaker 1: Drag queens in there.

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Speaker 3: There's gay guys and gay and they would all be

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Speaker 1: A week were you rated and taking to jail?

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Speaker 1: Often did it happen, Johnny, Oh, once.

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Speaker 2: Two or three times a week?

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Speaker 3: So they got so you made friends in the backs

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Speaker 2: And they picked up costume and they put me a

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Speaker 1: How would you get out of the jail, like did

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Speaker 2: Oh no, you go to court the next morning and

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Speaker 1: How much was the fine?

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Speaker 2: There was no fine, there was you you were just

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Speaker 2: your arrested. There was It was everything that was It

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Speaker 2: was illegal, you know what I mean? It was harassment,

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Speaker 2: was it was grass where we now, we've come so

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Speaker 2: that we're all equal. Everybody's equal. It could be who

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Speaker 1: Well, we're still working on that.

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Speaker 2: You can you see gay people on television now, there's

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Speaker 2: There's so many of the not even on the game

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Speaker 2: were just saying, you know, that's it. When I first

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Speaker 2: met him, nobody said he was. He met us and

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Speaker 2: he said I'd better come out.

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Speaker 1: Well, you dragged me out.

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Speaker 3: But also there's a reason why we should thank the

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Speaker 3: pioneers like uncle Johnny and his friends who have been around.

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Speaker 2: For three tree.

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Speaker 1: Tree worked, he said, he worked at Still and Wall.

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Speaker 3: We don't know, but all all I know is you

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Speaker 1: And I think that that should be recognized. We're dead, we.

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Speaker 2: Fought for them and that because we wanted our rights.

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Speaker 2: We were it was we're not being treated right.

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Speaker 1: But there are to be fair.

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Speaker 3: There are still members of our society there are still

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Speaker 2: Well this time and and we're all equal. We should

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Speaker 2: all love one another, everybody, every color, every race, every

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Speaker 1: This is what it's all about. We'll tell you something.

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Speaker 3: Johnny Gandhi brings up an interesting point, and it's it's

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Speaker 3: very relatable to us as gay men of being the

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Speaker 1: I mean, you are you have.

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Speaker 3: Talked about this before, you know, we don't understan A

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Speaker 3: well Jesus or whatever, and no, right, you don't.

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Speaker 5: I think a lot of people don't understand what it

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Speaker 5: But you know, a lot of people will say things

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Speaker 5: like I don't see color, And I totally see where

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Speaker 5: they're coming from on that. But when you say you

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Speaker 5: don't see color, you're missing my culture. You're not understanding

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Speaker 5: that maybe I go home to a family that speaks

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Speaker 5: smells different, we celebrate different holidays and everything is different.

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Speaker 5: It's okay to see my color, and I want you

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Speaker 5: to see my color. I just want you to also

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Speaker 5: understand that things are different from this perspective than from

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Speaker 5: a lot of other perspectives. And I know that Diamond

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Speaker 5: feels the same way about things like that.

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Speaker 1: And I look at Johnny, is I see the gay? Yeah?

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Speaker 1: I see color. Have you ever beaten anybody up for money?

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Speaker 2: Yes? I have had a different name when I was

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Speaker 2: And uh and and we'd would get people and would

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Speaker 1: Yes, because no he didn't. No, no, no, Ace Marino,

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Speaker 1: did you're a gang banger? You really were a gay banger? Yeah?

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Speaker 2: But then then and then I realized I had girlfriend

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Speaker 2: and I and she was cheated on me, and I

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Speaker 2: that's when they was that Dale. No, this was Jolly

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Speaker 2: another another girl. We actually met one of his girlfriends

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Speaker 2: once she came. We came up for there. We're still friends, well,

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Speaker 2: I said for almost seventy seventy sixty seventy years now.

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Speaker 1: But they're the ones who told me.

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Speaker 2: They said, you're not you're you're you're gay.

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Speaker 3: You know how they know you were gay?

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Speaker 2: Because when I went down there, I didn't find.

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Speaker 6: Anything until Johnny is the gift that keeps on giving.

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Speaker 6: I mean, I've known you all these years. It's like

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Speaker 6: there's another story that you teach me something.

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Speaker 2: How much money did you get paid for beating somebody

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Speaker 2: up back then? Oh? I don't know.

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Speaker 1: We would shake them down, take whatever they had. Did

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Speaker 2: I was, I was not nice, you know. And then

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Speaker 2: then my that that's when they told my father that

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Speaker 2: they put me. He's gather he's gonna go to jail

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Speaker 2: in uh the army. So I went in to the army.

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Speaker 1: Why and then he went from being ace Marino.

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Speaker 2: To my mother Reno because I cooked for the big

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Speaker 2: deuce at the.

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Speaker 1: Fort dick for dicks. This is a joke, d I X.

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Speaker 1: By the way, I export DI.

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Speaker 5: Were you out when you were in the army, did

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Speaker 5: you know well, did you know that you were gay?

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Speaker 2: Well? I found out yes.

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Speaker 1: And then did you become nice then? Because you said you.

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Speaker 2: Weren't back then? But then I turned really nice and

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Speaker 2: I started realizing that because I was you back then,

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Speaker 2: when I was eighteen and I looked at him, and

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Speaker 2: I know I wasn't eighteen. I was sixteen seventeen, and

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Speaker 2: I looked at him. I said, Dad, I think I'm bisexual.

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Speaker 2: Because this is in the fifties, and I didn't want

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Speaker 1: He looked back.

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Speaker 2: But that's our right, kid. I know a doctor. We

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Speaker 2: could fix it. I said, no, I don't think so, dad.

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Speaker 2: And that's when I moved to New York. That was

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Speaker 2: the day of the first street you lived in nineteen

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Speaker 2: sixty Gay Street.

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Speaker 1: Gay Street in the village. He lived on Gay Street,

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Speaker 1: Charity the Drag, Waverley and Gay. Why the Wizards of

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Speaker 1: Waverley Place? You live right over there?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, Waverley and Gay, right on the corner corner.

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Speaker 5: From four Dicks to Gay Street.

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Speaker 1: Yes, Now did you purposely move there because you'd be like,

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Speaker 1: this is the street for me? Or you have to

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Speaker 1: land there?

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Speaker 2: I got there, but but I said, this is a

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Speaker 2: good street for me, and I moved in it with

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Speaker 2: my friend Charlie, who was Charity the Drag Queen.

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Speaker 1: Wow.

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Speaker 2: And yes, that's what That's how I did it. That's

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Speaker 2: what I was. There was nineteen sixty What, Yeah, that's

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Speaker 2: that was nineteen sixty one, sixty way.

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Speaker 1: You moved to New York.

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Speaker 3: Ride around a little before the nine I was born,

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Speaker 3: And when did you live in Fort Lauderdale nineteen.

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Speaker 2: I moved on there in nineteen seventy at seventy three

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Speaker 2: opened I did the bar at the mountad Beach Hotel

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Speaker 2: called Johnny post Blood de Bar at the Pool Bar,

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Speaker 2: and then I went from there. I went and did

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Speaker 2: I went to Key West that opened a Pigeonhouse patio

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Speaker 2: and that was there for nineteen eighty to nineteen eighty three.

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Speaker 2: Then I moved back to Manhattan and opened up the

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Speaker 2: Waverley Waverley and then opened my own club because they

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Speaker 2: paid me to do that. Then opened my own club

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Speaker 2: called o' Johnny's on Fourteenth Street.

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Speaker 1: WHOA damn.

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Speaker 2: I had all the Broadway stars coming in and everybody

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Speaker 2: came in there. Wow, and uh.

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Speaker 1: Eliza Mellie did a cocaine off the bar. That was.

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Speaker 2: That was when I was working as a door man.

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Speaker 2: When when I was Judy Gowan's uh what do you

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Speaker 1: Bounce her bodyguard? No, I'd pick her up.

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Speaker 2: No, I would pick her up and bring it to

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Speaker 2: gay bars and make sure she got I was the escort. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: and uh I.

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Speaker 1: Did Judy for you did Judy.

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Speaker 2: No I brought her around to all the gay bars

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Speaker 2: we used to go to, and she was living on

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Speaker 1: It goes on and on and on, by the way,

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Speaker 1: But Judy Garland was no place like home.

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Speaker 2: Richard Burton's Sybil Richard Burton's wife, Sybil.

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Speaker 3: Johnny, you got to understand something. Most people in this

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Speaker 3: room don't know who you're talking about, because that's.

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Speaker 2: So Anyways, that was the bouncer there, and that's when Elizabeth,

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Speaker 2: when Eliza Minelli and Patty Duke, was sitting at the

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Speaker 2: They said, to you, kid, this is when the big

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Speaker 2: Coca was back then, and this is when they said,

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Speaker 2: You got to tell her. Lu I said, you know

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Speaker 2: If they can't do it over here, you've got to

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Speaker 2: ask them to leave. So I had to ask her

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Speaker 2: and I had to go pick up her mother.

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Speaker 1: At the house please, Uncle Johnny.

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Speaker 2: Oh my gosh, ma'n.

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Speaker 1: We have boring lives.

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Speaker 3: Got Uncle Johnny was driving his car, I think somewhere

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Speaker 3: around here, and there.

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Speaker 1: Was a woman on the side of the road hitchhocking.

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Speaker 1: It was Barbara Streis Rising what I picked her up?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I brought her to a Revere beach where she

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Speaker 2: was playing. And I went to the movies with Elizabeth

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Speaker 2: Taylor and she I had Tarryo ring on. She said, here,

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Speaker 2: try this.

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Speaker 1: This guy's like Forrest g I was.

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Speaker 2: Thinking was living in La Yeah.

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Speaker 1: The stories go.

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Speaker 3: On and on and on, but unfortunately we're at a time,

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Speaker 3: Uncle Johnny, Uncle Johnny.

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