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Speaker 1: It's time to get inside the Giants Huttle on Giants

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Speaker 1: dot com the Giants of the Giants podcast Network. Welcome

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Speaker 1: to the newest episode of the Giant Subtle Podcast. John

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Speaker 1: Smoke with you today's guest Dane Brugler, who covers college

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Speaker 1: football for the Athletic. But first before we get to Dan. Now,

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Speaker 1: and to remind you, you you can find the Giant Subtle

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Speaker 1: Slash podcast, and on the Giants Mobile app. Now, let's

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Speaker 1: get to our guest. He's one of our favor people

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Speaker 1: from him on this show between January and April, but

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Speaker 1: we're gonna talk to him now because there's a lot

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Speaker 1: of unknowns in the National Football leaue, I thought this

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Speaker 1: of that stuff. Um when it comes to the draft

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Speaker 1: with Dane Brugler, who covers the NFL Draft for the Athletic. Dane,

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Speaker 1: you got Smelk and Feagles here. First. First off, I

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Speaker 1: hope you and your family everybody out there is safe

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Speaker 1: and healthy. Yeah, we're we're doing okay, it's good. Obviously

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Speaker 1: we're time complete. Same for you guys as well. It's

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Speaker 1: just you know, trying to stay positive during this the

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Speaker 1: uncertain times. And for me, uh, you know, we don't

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Speaker 1: you know, what the next few months are gonna look like.

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Speaker 1: But somehow, some way, there will be a draft. And

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Speaker 1: so that's that's what I'm clutching question. You know, the

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Speaker 1: work I'm doing right now, scouting all these guys, watching

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Speaker 1: all the junior tape. Um. You know, I know it's

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Speaker 1: it's not for for nothing, because somehow, some way, there

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Speaker 1: some way we will get there. Yeah, and and we've

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Speaker 1: got a lot of layers of the onion to appeal here, dame.

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Speaker 1: But first of all, you've been putting out some of

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Speaker 1: your prospect less we'll touch on the players briefly at

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Speaker 1: the end. Yea, this is more of a like a

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Speaker 1: logistics interview. But tell the folks how they can find

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Speaker 1: your work first and foremost, Yeah, you can find it

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Speaker 1: on the athletic um. Doing my positional previews right now,

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Speaker 1: a lot of analysis, and basically just just enough to

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Speaker 1: And it's upcoming draft class. Awesome, all right, first six first, Um,

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Speaker 1: I guess in the loaded questions, so good luck. Are

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Speaker 1: Is there a chance it's gonna be in the spring?

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Speaker 1: What do you think hopefully? You know, I think spring

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Speaker 1: Is just I think every option is on the table, Dan,

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