1 00:00:00,120 --> 00:00:03,360 Speaker 1: Welcome to today's edition of The Clay Travis and Buck 2 00:00:03,400 --> 00:00:05,840 Speaker 1: Sexton Show podcast. Welcome everybody. 3 00:00:05,880 --> 00:00:09,840 Speaker 2: Monday edition of The Clay Travis and Buck Sexton Show 4 00:00:09,960 --> 00:00:13,640 Speaker 2: starts now. I am back from a little vacation. All 5 00:00:13,760 --> 00:00:17,600 Speaker 2: that costs, I believe, they would say. In France, Kerry 6 00:00:17,680 --> 00:00:21,080 Speaker 2: kept telling everybody that I speak French. Had to keep 7 00:00:21,120 --> 00:00:23,560 Speaker 2: telling him, no, I speak about two hundred words of French, 8 00:00:23,920 --> 00:00:27,360 Speaker 2: but I do it with enthusiasm. Play big fan of 9 00:00:27,880 --> 00:00:29,680 Speaker 2: a place I went through the weekend. But we'll talk 10 00:00:29,680 --> 00:00:32,280 Speaker 2: more about that later because there's a lot of news, 11 00:00:32,880 --> 00:00:33,840 Speaker 2: a lot of news. 12 00:00:33,560 --> 00:00:34,320 Speaker 1: To dive into today. 13 00:00:34,360 --> 00:00:37,640 Speaker 2: We're going to get to all of that, and we 14 00:00:37,680 --> 00:00:42,520 Speaker 2: could start by just mentioning Donald Trump's trial in New York. 15 00:00:42,680 --> 00:00:44,159 Speaker 2: I see some don't like it to be called a 16 00:00:44,240 --> 00:00:46,800 Speaker 2: hush money trial, which I suppose I can understand the 17 00:00:47,640 --> 00:00:52,239 Speaker 2: bookkeeping error. Thirty four count felony trial in New York 18 00:00:52,280 --> 00:00:55,560 Speaker 2: City a farce for anybody who believes in an actual 19 00:00:55,760 --> 00:01:01,080 Speaker 2: justice system or prosecution. It's outrageous and that's going on. 20 00:01:01,720 --> 00:01:05,600 Speaker 2: Elon Musk has come out and joined did you see this, Clay. 21 00:01:05,760 --> 00:01:09,240 Speaker 2: He's opposed to the banning of TikTok, which I was 22 00:01:09,480 --> 00:01:12,560 Speaker 2: very pleased to see. So it's now Buck Rand, Paul 23 00:01:13,319 --> 00:01:16,520 Speaker 2: Elon Musk, and a lot of twenty year olds who 24 00:01:16,560 --> 00:01:19,880 Speaker 2: make videos of I. 25 00:01:19,920 --> 00:01:22,640 Speaker 1: Don't know, like dance. It's a lot of dancing girls 26 00:01:22,680 --> 00:01:27,400 Speaker 1: you Elon and a few other handful. I actually pulled 27 00:01:27,400 --> 00:01:29,640 Speaker 1: this on my audience and it was almost dead to 28 00:01:29,680 --> 00:01:32,840 Speaker 1: even fifty to fifty. My positions a little bit in between. 29 00:01:33,120 --> 00:01:36,840 Speaker 1: I think they should make China divest to an American 30 00:01:36,880 --> 00:01:39,399 Speaker 1: owned company. I don't want it to be banned, but 31 00:01:39,480 --> 00:01:42,600 Speaker 1: I also don't think if China's not going to allow 32 00:01:42,720 --> 00:01:46,080 Speaker 1: our tech companies to have full access to its country, 33 00:01:46,120 --> 00:01:48,520 Speaker 1: which does not, then I don't think we should allow 34 00:01:48,600 --> 00:01:52,200 Speaker 1: Chinese tech tumblic companies to have full access to our markets. 35 00:01:52,320 --> 00:01:54,360 Speaker 1: So that's my kind of middle of the road position 36 00:01:54,440 --> 00:01:54,600 Speaker 1: on it. 37 00:01:55,120 --> 00:01:58,040 Speaker 2: So we've got the two big things taking up a 38 00:01:58,080 --> 00:02:00,200 Speaker 2: lot of the headlines today, which we're gonna spend some 39 00:02:00,240 --> 00:02:03,600 Speaker 2: real time on. Oh, just as a programming note, we 40 00:02:03,640 --> 00:02:07,960 Speaker 2: have Cash Patel, formerly of the Trump Department of Defense 41 00:02:08,280 --> 00:02:15,000 Speaker 2: and a likely Trump national security appointee down the line 42 00:02:15,160 --> 00:02:18,200 Speaker 2: for the next administration, which we certainly hope is going 43 00:02:18,240 --> 00:02:21,239 Speaker 2: to happen. And also our friend Carol Marcqutitz will be 44 00:02:21,280 --> 00:02:24,639 Speaker 2: joining because this madness on campus. You know, why don't 45 00:02:24,639 --> 00:02:27,200 Speaker 2: we why don't we start a bit with this today? 46 00:02:28,520 --> 00:02:30,840 Speaker 2: Because I was seeing this all over the place. I tried. 47 00:02:30,960 --> 00:02:34,960 Speaker 2: I actually stayed off Twitter or x whatever and the 48 00:02:35,000 --> 00:02:38,200 Speaker 2: news over the weekend. I was trying to focus on 49 00:02:38,919 --> 00:02:42,840 Speaker 2: drinks flavored with coconut and the beach. But there was 50 00:02:42,919 --> 00:02:46,240 Speaker 2: stuff going on, clearly, these protests going on at Columbia University. 51 00:02:46,280 --> 00:02:48,840 Speaker 2: You know play My dad was a student at Columbia 52 00:02:48,919 --> 00:02:52,120 Speaker 2: University in I think it was sixty eight when they 53 00:02:52,200 --> 00:02:57,120 Speaker 2: had a crazy protest going on there. Yeah, and they 54 00:02:57,160 --> 00:03:00,720 Speaker 2: had to bring in riot police. They had effectively over 55 00:03:00,720 --> 00:03:04,280 Speaker 2: the Vietnam War, seized buildings, right, students has seized buildings. 56 00:03:04,400 --> 00:03:06,880 Speaker 2: They sent in the cops and people got you know, 57 00:03:06,919 --> 00:03:10,160 Speaker 2: students got hit with cruncheons and billy clubs and it 58 00:03:10,320 --> 00:03:13,360 Speaker 2: was serious stuff. My dad was a student there when 59 00:03:13,400 --> 00:03:15,280 Speaker 2: it happened. He told me about it a few times. 60 00:03:15,919 --> 00:03:18,880 Speaker 2: Now we've got all these anti Israel protests going on, 61 00:03:19,480 --> 00:03:22,560 Speaker 2: and I'm one thing that I think is interesting is 62 00:03:23,480 --> 00:03:25,840 Speaker 2: it has now become clear, I believe Clay that the 63 00:03:25,919 --> 00:03:31,280 Speaker 2: left cannot control this movement this entity, meaning even in 64 00:03:31,320 --> 00:03:34,359 Speaker 2: an election year, if they think that it hurts their 65 00:03:34,400 --> 00:03:39,800 Speaker 2: electoral prospects, they're not able to say, hey, you anti Semites, 66 00:03:40,000 --> 00:03:43,160 Speaker 2: shut up, you're causing problems for us. Wait to be 67 00:03:43,200 --> 00:03:46,000 Speaker 2: anti Semitic until after we convince enough people to vote 68 00:03:46,000 --> 00:03:46,720 Speaker 2: for Joe Biden. 69 00:03:47,760 --> 00:03:51,000 Speaker 1: Yeah. I think my big takeaway here, and it's been 70 00:03:51,080 --> 00:03:56,720 Speaker 1: growing since October seventh, is the left has a major 71 00:03:56,800 --> 00:04:00,440 Speaker 1: anti semitism problem. And what I would point to is 72 00:04:00,920 --> 00:04:04,200 Speaker 1: Joe Biden claimed that the reason he ran for president 73 00:04:04,320 --> 00:04:07,360 Speaker 1: in twenty twenty was because of what he saw happen 74 00:04:07,360 --> 00:04:12,760 Speaker 1: at Charlottesville. Charlottesville is a pen prick of what happened 75 00:04:13,240 --> 00:04:16,679 Speaker 1: from an anti Semitic perspective. With what we're seeing happen 76 00:04:16,800 --> 00:04:20,360 Speaker 1: right now at many elite universities all over the country, 77 00:04:20,360 --> 00:04:24,479 Speaker 1: whether it's Columbia, whether it's Yale, whether certainly we've seen 78 00:04:24,520 --> 00:04:28,520 Speaker 1: all sorts of issues at Harvard and MIT. They now 79 00:04:28,760 --> 00:04:32,960 Speaker 1: are taking over campus. I think at NYU as well, 80 00:04:33,880 --> 00:04:39,200 Speaker 1: they're taking over the campus with protesters who are effectively 81 00:04:39,480 --> 00:04:44,480 Speaker 1: pitching legitimate tents and doing sit ins and sleep ins 82 00:04:44,520 --> 00:04:48,159 Speaker 1: on the center quads to say we demand that you 83 00:04:48,320 --> 00:04:52,400 Speaker 1: divest all of your investments that are associated with Israel 84 00:04:52,520 --> 00:04:56,800 Speaker 1: in any way. And I think it's clear also that 85 00:04:56,839 --> 00:04:59,680 Speaker 1: the left has no idea, meaning the left in power 86 00:05:00,000 --> 00:05:02,560 Speaker 1: Democrat Party, in Joe Biden, they have no real idea 87 00:05:02,560 --> 00:05:06,240 Speaker 1: how to handle this because they're used to demonizing the 88 00:05:06,320 --> 00:05:08,680 Speaker 1: Right as being filled with anti Semites. They've tried to 89 00:05:08,720 --> 00:05:11,480 Speaker 1: tell us for eight years that Trump is Hitler. And 90 00:05:11,520 --> 00:05:14,839 Speaker 1: it turns out that all of their acolytes, their young, most, 91 00:05:15,320 --> 00:05:19,560 Speaker 1: their young, brightest students, are actually the ones who are 92 00:05:19,600 --> 00:05:21,599 Speaker 1: far more likely to be anti Semitic. And this is 93 00:05:21,680 --> 00:05:25,680 Speaker 1: very scary, I think in many ways because especially if 94 00:05:25,720 --> 00:05:29,520 Speaker 1: you're Jewish, this hearkens back to what you legitimately saw 95 00:05:29,800 --> 00:05:32,080 Speaker 1: in the nineteen thirties throughout much of Europe. 96 00:05:32,720 --> 00:05:37,000 Speaker 2: So there there's a clear echo here of the Occupy 97 00:05:37,440 --> 00:05:42,279 Speaker 2: Wall Street protests, right if if you recall Occupy this 98 00:05:42,320 --> 00:05:42,880 Speaker 2: is actually the. 99 00:05:42,880 --> 00:05:45,960 Speaker 1: Very beginning you covered the Oculus Street protests back in 100 00:05:46,000 --> 00:05:47,800 Speaker 1: the y. Yeah, that was I went. 101 00:05:47,880 --> 00:05:50,440 Speaker 2: I remember I was working for for Glenn Beck at 102 00:05:50,440 --> 00:05:53,080 Speaker 2: the Blaze at the time Glenn started my career. Thank 103 00:05:53,120 --> 00:05:56,680 Speaker 2: you Glenn, And I said, there's some weird protests, you know, 104 00:05:56,760 --> 00:05:58,600 Speaker 2: because there was so this was because of Twitter at 105 00:05:58,640 --> 00:06:01,640 Speaker 2: the time, there were some weird protest going on downtown 106 00:06:01,760 --> 00:06:04,080 Speaker 2: and it was about Wall Street bailouts kind of, and 107 00:06:04,520 --> 00:06:07,520 Speaker 2: I went there and it started out pretty small scale 108 00:06:07,880 --> 00:06:11,320 Speaker 2: and then very rapidly turned into this encampment. Now people 109 00:06:11,360 --> 00:06:14,520 Speaker 2: have said, the little clever phrase that's bandied about is 110 00:06:14,640 --> 00:06:16,280 Speaker 2: that it was more of a meme than a movement. 111 00:06:16,600 --> 00:06:21,839 Speaker 2: It was really just about creating this short term, this 112 00:06:21,880 --> 00:06:25,520 Speaker 2: short term conversation piece, and not really anything longer term. 113 00:06:25,600 --> 00:06:29,600 Speaker 2: But the notion of occupying public space, or that's what 114 00:06:29,640 --> 00:06:32,120 Speaker 2: they did in Columbia in sixty eight as well as 115 00:06:32,160 --> 00:06:37,880 Speaker 2: other schools, right the students took over physical buildings and said, 116 00:06:38,040 --> 00:06:40,760 Speaker 2: come and get us. We're in charge now. So there's 117 00:06:40,760 --> 00:06:43,479 Speaker 2: an echo here of the Occupy Wall Street movement or 118 00:06:43,480 --> 00:06:47,159 Speaker 2: the even the nineteen sixty eight student radicalism that has occurred. 119 00:06:47,360 --> 00:06:52,000 Speaker 2: Because they're calling it a gaza solidarity encampment, I mean, 120 00:06:52,040 --> 00:06:54,039 Speaker 2: they might as well just call it occupy. You know, 121 00:06:54,120 --> 00:06:56,960 Speaker 2: I don't know occupy gaza, that would be a different connotation. 122 00:06:57,120 --> 00:07:01,880 Speaker 2: But you know, it's an occupy movement in essence, and 123 00:07:01,920 --> 00:07:04,279 Speaker 2: they're planning clay to do this at campuses all across 124 00:07:04,320 --> 00:07:07,880 Speaker 2: the country. You I did see what was it. One 125 00:07:07,880 --> 00:07:12,880 Speaker 2: of one of the schools was an MIT said they 126 00:07:13,040 --> 00:07:15,360 Speaker 2: expelled a bunch of kids who were doing this nonsense 127 00:07:15,400 --> 00:07:17,960 Speaker 2: and the they basically dropped the hammer and said enough 128 00:07:18,000 --> 00:07:18,400 Speaker 2: is enough. 129 00:07:19,240 --> 00:07:22,800 Speaker 1: Yeah, it's starting. And you've asked this question before about 130 00:07:22,840 --> 00:07:26,000 Speaker 1: how sort of my red pilling moment started. It actually 131 00:07:26,040 --> 00:07:28,640 Speaker 1: started to a large degree buck with and some of 132 00:07:28,640 --> 00:07:31,600 Speaker 1: you out there listening, particularly if you're in the Missouri area, 133 00:07:31,680 --> 00:07:36,600 Speaker 1: will remember this when a group of BLM protesters took 134 00:07:36,640 --> 00:07:40,680 Speaker 1: over the Missouri quad at in Columbia, Missouri, at the 135 00:07:40,760 --> 00:07:44,520 Speaker 1: University of Missouri, protesting what they said were alleged racist 136 00:07:44,560 --> 00:07:48,120 Speaker 1: incidents on campus, and it spread to the point where 137 00:07:48,200 --> 00:07:50,440 Speaker 1: athletes were saying, oh, we're not going to play. There 138 00:07:50,440 --> 00:07:53,280 Speaker 1: were hunger strikes. I mean, it was a total sham, 139 00:07:54,000 --> 00:07:57,160 Speaker 1: but it took over the University of Missouri and honestly 140 00:07:57,240 --> 00:08:01,119 Speaker 1: had a multi year devastating impact act for the number 141 00:08:01,160 --> 00:08:05,400 Speaker 1: of students that were applying to Missouri. The overall applications collapsed, 142 00:08:05,440 --> 00:08:08,040 Speaker 1: kids started going to school out of state. I think 143 00:08:08,120 --> 00:08:10,880 Speaker 1: Missouri has since kind of come back to some extent, 144 00:08:10,960 --> 00:08:13,480 Speaker 1: and the University of Missouri is a beautiful place. I mean, 145 00:08:13,560 --> 00:08:17,000 Speaker 1: if you've been to Columbia. It's a fantastic school, has 146 00:08:17,000 --> 00:08:19,520 Speaker 1: a great journalism school, to the extent that we still 147 00:08:19,520 --> 00:08:23,840 Speaker 1: believe that journalism is something that is. Journalism is the. 148 00:08:23,760 --> 00:08:27,040 Speaker 2: Biggest waste of time of any so called academic pursuit. 149 00:08:27,120 --> 00:08:28,920 Speaker 2: You want, you want to be a journalist, learn how 150 00:08:28,960 --> 00:08:32,120 Speaker 2: to read, write, and pursue the truth. I founded a 151 00:08:32,160 --> 00:08:32,760 Speaker 2: media company. 152 00:08:32,760 --> 00:08:35,080 Speaker 1: I don't think I've ever had a journalism degree, I mean, 153 00:08:35,440 --> 00:08:38,240 Speaker 1: or a class. I mean, you could easily learn it. 154 00:08:38,320 --> 00:08:42,240 Speaker 1: But I just saw this. I don't know how this 155 00:08:42,360 --> 00:08:44,040 Speaker 1: is going to get solved. The part of me thinks, 156 00:08:44,080 --> 00:08:46,960 Speaker 1: buck that the best thing that these universities have going 157 00:08:47,000 --> 00:08:49,200 Speaker 1: for them is it's April, so you're going to have 158 00:08:49,240 --> 00:08:52,640 Speaker 1: commencements that will probably be a mess. And then a 159 00:08:52,640 --> 00:08:54,360 Speaker 1: lot of kids go away for campus, and they go 160 00:08:54,559 --> 00:08:56,920 Speaker 1: from campus, they go back home for the summer, and 161 00:08:57,280 --> 00:08:59,560 Speaker 1: all the kids that are protesting in favor of Palestine 162 00:08:59,600 --> 00:09:01,760 Speaker 1: are going to go back to their rich suburban households 163 00:09:02,520 --> 00:09:07,200 Speaker 1: and walk into their multimillion dollar homes and mom and 164 00:09:07,240 --> 00:09:08,679 Speaker 1: dad are going to be like, what in the world 165 00:09:08,720 --> 00:09:10,880 Speaker 1: were you doing? And I imagine there's a lot of 166 00:09:10,920 --> 00:09:13,680 Speaker 1: parents and grandparents out there wondering what's going on. But 167 00:09:13,840 --> 00:09:15,240 Speaker 1: one of the things that I do think is going 168 00:09:15,320 --> 00:09:18,480 Speaker 1: to have a legacy. I saw this right before we started. 169 00:09:18,640 --> 00:09:24,520 Speaker 1: The owner of the New England Patriots, multi billionaire Robert Kraft, 170 00:09:25,120 --> 00:09:28,080 Speaker 1: just put out a statement saying that he is going 171 00:09:28,120 --> 00:09:32,080 Speaker 1: to refuse to donate any money to Columbia until he 172 00:09:32,160 --> 00:09:36,280 Speaker 1: feels like Jewish students are safe on campus. And that 173 00:09:36,400 --> 00:09:39,400 Speaker 1: to me is what everybody who's a donor should be doing. 174 00:09:39,440 --> 00:09:42,000 Speaker 1: I give credit to him. You shouldn't be donating money 175 00:09:42,000 --> 00:09:45,920 Speaker 1: to these universities given what they're propagating right now. There 176 00:09:45,960 --> 00:09:50,079 Speaker 1: are students who are leaving Columbia, at least temporarily because 177 00:09:50,080 --> 00:09:52,719 Speaker 1: they say they feel unsafe. I think those are down 178 00:09:52,800 --> 00:09:55,800 Speaker 1: schools today, right. They didn't have class today for many 179 00:09:55,800 --> 00:09:57,520 Speaker 1: people on Columbia's campus for safety. 180 00:09:57,600 --> 00:09:59,959 Speaker 2: Yeah, for safety issues. I mean, think about this. They 181 00:10:00,000 --> 00:10:04,800 Speaker 2: we've spent all these years trying to restrict conservative speech, 182 00:10:05,440 --> 00:10:09,559 Speaker 2: which is always in favor of lawfulness but also freedom 183 00:10:09,559 --> 00:10:12,200 Speaker 2: of speech. They've tried to shut that down under the 184 00:10:12,280 --> 00:10:16,720 Speaker 2: rubric of it makes people feel unsafe, and the people 185 00:10:17,200 --> 00:10:19,160 Speaker 2: this is the great irony of all this, The people 186 00:10:19,200 --> 00:10:22,439 Speaker 2: Clay that they were pandering to with that by pretending 187 00:10:22,480 --> 00:10:24,320 Speaker 2: that it was a safety issue when it was really 188 00:10:24,520 --> 00:10:28,560 Speaker 2: an emotional instability issue. If they can't hear other ideas, 189 00:10:28,960 --> 00:10:34,200 Speaker 2: those emotionally unstable children on these college campuses are now 190 00:10:34,200 --> 00:10:37,920 Speaker 2: the ones that are making people actually feel unsafe because 191 00:10:37,920 --> 00:10:42,200 Speaker 2: they are threatening them and saying things that are reminiscent 192 00:10:42,600 --> 00:10:45,080 Speaker 2: of some of the darkest things that we have heard 193 00:10:45,240 --> 00:10:47,880 Speaker 2: in the and had heard in the twentieth century, to 194 00:10:47,920 --> 00:10:53,480 Speaker 2: your earlier point. So, yeah, the universities look at so 195 00:10:53,640 --> 00:10:56,360 Speaker 2: much of this too. And I saw somebody who who 196 00:10:56,480 --> 00:10:58,960 Speaker 2: I can't remember who was said this on it. You know, 197 00:10:59,200 --> 00:11:03,200 Speaker 2: it's just benefitting state schools, honestly, community colleges, trade schools. 198 00:11:03,760 --> 00:11:05,839 Speaker 2: It's really just an elite status game now going to 199 00:11:05,920 --> 00:11:08,760 Speaker 2: all those places, going to Columbia University, it does not 200 00:11:08,880 --> 00:11:11,120 Speaker 2: make you a smarter or better person than people who 201 00:11:11,160 --> 00:11:13,800 Speaker 2: don't go to these fancy schools, not by a long shot. 202 00:11:13,800 --> 00:11:16,360 Speaker 2: In fact, these for and this has been true for 203 00:11:16,400 --> 00:11:18,719 Speaker 2: a long time, but now everyone's seeing the truth. These 204 00:11:18,760 --> 00:11:22,920 Speaker 2: are indoctrination factories for loons. People are coming out of 205 00:11:22,960 --> 00:11:26,800 Speaker 2: there less wise, I mean saying dummer may not be 206 00:11:26,880 --> 00:11:30,760 Speaker 2: quite the phrase, but less capable of exerting judgment and 207 00:11:30,800 --> 00:11:33,200 Speaker 2: wisdom than when they went in at eighteen years old. 208 00:11:33,880 --> 00:11:36,920 Speaker 1: Yeah, And I don't know, And this is a big 209 00:11:36,960 --> 00:11:42,559 Speaker 1: conversation out there. I don't know how this gets rectified 210 00:11:43,000 --> 00:11:45,360 Speaker 1: without the entire and this is going to sound this 211 00:11:45,400 --> 00:11:47,600 Speaker 1: is going to sound massive, but I think it's true 212 00:11:47,640 --> 00:11:52,760 Speaker 1: without the entire Democrat Party collapsing. And when I say that, 213 00:11:52,800 --> 00:11:54,319 Speaker 1: some of you are going to kind of roll your eyes. 214 00:11:54,360 --> 00:11:59,160 Speaker 1: You're going to say that sounds excessive. Really if you're Jewish. 215 00:11:59,520 --> 00:12:01,720 Speaker 1: If you are Jewish at this point in time, what 216 00:12:01,880 --> 00:12:04,720 Speaker 1: I think you have had to learn since October seven, 217 00:12:04,920 --> 00:12:10,280 Speaker 1: the central lesson is the world, in particular the leftist world, 218 00:12:10,520 --> 00:12:14,720 Speaker 1: sees you as white. That explains everything. You would never 219 00:12:14,800 --> 00:12:18,200 Speaker 1: have a situation on Columbia's campus. We said this early on, 220 00:12:18,240 --> 00:12:19,560 Speaker 1: and I think a lot of people have come to 221 00:12:19,600 --> 00:12:23,120 Speaker 1: realize it. Can you imagine if there were black kids 222 00:12:23,160 --> 00:12:27,320 Speaker 1: walking through campus getting taunted because they were black, Joe 223 00:12:27,320 --> 00:12:30,360 Speaker 1: Biden would send in the National Guard immediately. It would 224 00:12:30,360 --> 00:12:34,280 Speaker 1: be the lead story on every news station for the 225 00:12:34,280 --> 00:12:38,160 Speaker 1: next eight months, all the way through the election. There's 226 00:12:38,200 --> 00:12:40,800 Speaker 1: also and we can we'll talk to Carol about this, 227 00:12:40,880 --> 00:12:44,640 Speaker 1: who I think has a column Carrol's Jewish New York 228 00:12:44,640 --> 00:12:49,240 Speaker 1: Post columnist writes or Substack, but that she's writing about 229 00:12:49,240 --> 00:12:50,680 Speaker 1: this issue, there are others who were taking on this 230 00:12:50,720 --> 00:12:55,160 Speaker 1: issue as well. Conservative Jews are you know in America 231 00:12:55,200 --> 00:12:58,440 Speaker 1: are basically saying we told you so, yes, right, this 232 00:12:58,559 --> 00:13:00,840 Speaker 1: is what they've seen this coming for a long time. 233 00:13:01,080 --> 00:13:04,760 Speaker 1: But the left of center Jews have thought, oh, we 234 00:13:04,840 --> 00:13:11,360 Speaker 1: can promote DEI, We can promote effectively structured race politics, 235 00:13:11,520 --> 00:13:16,400 Speaker 1: like a structural racism, effectively with affirmative action and DEI 236 00:13:16,480 --> 00:13:19,240 Speaker 1: hiring and all these different things, and it won't blow 237 00:13:19,280 --> 00:13:22,600 Speaker 1: back on us because we are oppressed as well. What 238 00:13:22,640 --> 00:13:25,440 Speaker 1: they don't understand. What they the leftist Jews didn't understand 239 00:13:25,559 --> 00:13:29,360 Speaker 1: was as far as the black and brown left wing 240 00:13:29,360 --> 00:13:32,520 Speaker 1: communities in this country and others who sign on to 241 00:13:32,640 --> 00:13:34,800 Speaker 1: DEI are concerned, Jews are white. 242 00:13:35,200 --> 00:13:39,440 Speaker 2: Israel is white. This is a race and colonialism conflict, 243 00:13:39,720 --> 00:13:42,880 Speaker 2: and so they are targets just the same as anybody 244 00:13:42,880 --> 00:13:45,360 Speaker 2: else who would be considered white by the left. That 245 00:13:45,600 --> 00:13:47,800 Speaker 2: is the wake up call. That is the thing that 246 00:13:47,840 --> 00:13:51,880 Speaker 2: has changed. I think some minds among the American Jewish community, 247 00:13:51,880 --> 00:13:54,559 Speaker 2: although I still think you're going to see very small 248 00:13:54,640 --> 00:13:57,200 Speaker 2: changes in the vote because people Clay, it's like, it's 249 00:13:57,280 --> 00:13:59,640 Speaker 2: like masks and COVID and people don't want to admit 250 00:13:59,640 --> 00:14:03,240 Speaker 2: they were. It's amazing the stubbornness that that people exhibit. 251 00:14:03,679 --> 00:14:06,040 Speaker 1: I think you're gonna see Jewish voters change quite a bit. Now. 252 00:14:06,040 --> 00:14:08,040 Speaker 1: It might only be five percent, but that would be 253 00:14:08,080 --> 00:14:10,760 Speaker 1: pretty seismic in terms of the the impact. And I 254 00:14:10,760 --> 00:14:16,000 Speaker 1: think the structural lines down the road are such that Jews, 255 00:14:16,040 --> 00:14:19,560 Speaker 1: who are the most depressed people probably in the history 256 00:14:19,600 --> 00:14:21,560 Speaker 1: of the world. I mean, can you think of a 257 00:14:21,640 --> 00:14:25,280 Speaker 1: group that over thousands of years has been more consistently oppressed? 258 00:14:25,320 --> 00:14:27,400 Speaker 2: Well, of course, but but I just just to so 259 00:14:27,480 --> 00:14:29,520 Speaker 2: we get this one clear. I'm gonna mark this one 260 00:14:29,520 --> 00:14:33,400 Speaker 2: down to double You can't say a big change then 261 00:14:33,440 --> 00:14:34,960 Speaker 2: five Clay five percent. 262 00:14:35,480 --> 00:14:38,520 Speaker 1: Swing the election. I'll say double digit change, double digit. 263 00:14:38,360 --> 00:14:40,480 Speaker 2: Double digit change, all right, I'm gonna go. I'm gonna take. 264 00:14:40,480 --> 00:14:43,120 Speaker 2: I'm gonna take. There's not a double digit change between 265 00:14:43,160 --> 00:14:47,120 Speaker 2: Republicans and Democrats in the vote this fall. Clay thinks 266 00:14:47,160 --> 00:14:49,680 Speaker 2: they'll be a double digit change. So, uh, I don't know, 267 00:14:49,760 --> 00:14:51,600 Speaker 2: I'll have to like, I'll have to figure out some 268 00:14:51,680 --> 00:14:53,760 Speaker 2: kind of other you know, I've already I already got there's. 269 00:14:53,560 --> 00:14:55,280 Speaker 1: Gonna be a bunch of different polls. We need, like 270 00:14:55,320 --> 00:14:57,160 Speaker 1: an arbiter, I hate to say it. We need a 271 00:14:57,200 --> 00:15:00,240 Speaker 1: ministry of truth to analyze the final results of this 272 00:15:00,720 --> 00:15:03,000 Speaker 1: for purposes of twenty twenty four elections. 273 00:15:03,760 --> 00:15:05,600 Speaker 2: We're gonna get into it. Eight hundred and two two 274 00:15:05,600 --> 00:15:06,560 Speaker 2: two eight a two. 275 00:15:06,520 --> 00:15:07,840 Speaker 1: Light them up. Great to be back with all of you. 276 00:15:07,880 --> 00:15:09,320 Speaker 2: By the way, I had a great time with Carrie, 277 00:15:10,040 --> 00:15:12,800 Speaker 2: but did miss miss all of you across the country. 278 00:15:13,400 --> 00:15:13,600 Speaker 1: You know. 279 00:15:13,880 --> 00:15:17,640 Speaker 2: Funding for abortion clinics comes in a whole variety of ways, 280 00:15:17,800 --> 00:15:20,320 Speaker 2: including hundreds of millions of dollars that, believe it or not, 281 00:15:20,600 --> 00:15:24,120 Speaker 2: come from our federal government, and even some music artists 282 00:15:24,160 --> 00:15:27,720 Speaker 2: are contributing a share of their ticket sales. Compare that 283 00:15:27,840 --> 00:15:32,280 Speaker 2: to where Preborn gets its funding. 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As the Trump trial 297 00:16:28,960 --> 00:16:33,280 Speaker 2: is underway, we certainly are going to dive into the 298 00:16:33,360 --> 00:16:35,720 Speaker 2: details on that as the opening arguments from both the 299 00:16:35,760 --> 00:16:38,840 Speaker 2: prosecution and the defense are taking place today. Buck, I 300 00:16:38,880 --> 00:16:41,240 Speaker 2: spent a lot of time on Thursday and Friday breaking 301 00:16:41,280 --> 00:16:43,840 Speaker 2: down the twelve person jury. There was a great deal 302 00:16:43,840 --> 00:16:47,160 Speaker 2: of drama associated with all those individuals getting seated. But 303 00:16:47,200 --> 00:16:48,600 Speaker 2: I want to play you some of the audio if 304 00:16:48,600 --> 00:16:51,640 Speaker 2: you haven't heard it, of what Columbia sounded like over 305 00:16:51,680 --> 00:16:52,240 Speaker 2: the weekend. 306 00:16:52,280 --> 00:17:13,440 Speaker 1: This is cut three. You can hear them screaming there 307 00:17:13,560 --> 00:17:16,760 Speaker 1: you have no culture. All you do is colonize. And 308 00:17:16,800 --> 00:17:19,000 Speaker 1: if you were having trouble hearing that, that is what 309 00:17:19,119 --> 00:17:21,600 Speaker 1: was being screamed at. Jewish students is they were trying 310 00:17:21,600 --> 00:17:24,879 Speaker 1: to walk onto Columbia's campus in New York City. No 311 00:17:25,119 --> 00:17:31,000 Speaker 1: classes today. Unprecedented levels of anti Semitism unspooling on the 312 00:17:31,119 --> 00:17:34,800 Speaker 1: left over the last six months, and it doesn't seem 313 00:17:34,840 --> 00:17:38,440 Speaker 1: like there is an easy solution. Basically, if you thought 314 00:17:38,560 --> 00:17:42,280 Speaker 1: Charlottesville was bad, we've had hundreds, if not thousands of 315 00:17:42,400 --> 00:17:46,240 Speaker 1: Charlottesville since, all directed by people on the left. 316 00:17:48,160 --> 00:17:52,320 Speaker 2: Yeah, Clay, I think that the universities don't know how 317 00:17:52,320 --> 00:17:54,080 Speaker 2: to react to any of this. That's the other part 318 00:17:54,080 --> 00:17:57,280 Speaker 2: of it, because they're caught between their base and what's 319 00:17:57,320 --> 00:18:00,800 Speaker 2: going on. 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Unfortunately, there's no 338 00:19:05,000 --> 00:19:08,080 Speaker 2: video of the trial to be had, right they don't 339 00:19:08,080 --> 00:19:10,560 Speaker 2: allow cameras inside the courtroom. 340 00:19:10,600 --> 00:19:12,560 Speaker 1: But what the Trump's Do you think that would be 341 00:19:12,560 --> 00:19:17,040 Speaker 1: beneficial or does the trial not being on tape help 342 00:19:17,119 --> 00:19:19,840 Speaker 1: or hurt Trump? Help or hurt democrats? I was thinking 343 00:19:19,880 --> 00:19:21,520 Speaker 1: about that this morning as we got ready. 344 00:19:21,760 --> 00:19:25,800 Speaker 2: I meant unfortunate from our perspective, just because for pure information, 345 00:19:26,080 --> 00:19:32,280 Speaker 2: entertainment and show purposes, to have ongoing video and know 346 00:19:32,359 --> 00:19:34,640 Speaker 2: exactly what's going on, I think would be kind of riveting. 347 00:19:35,920 --> 00:19:38,320 Speaker 2: I think I don't really believe it would make that 348 00:19:38,440 --> 00:19:43,000 Speaker 2: much difference to the outcome. I think it's so interesting. 349 00:19:43,040 --> 00:19:45,359 Speaker 2: I know people on the right who believe that this 350 00:19:45,520 --> 00:19:49,800 Speaker 2: is it is all set in stone already that Trump's 351 00:19:49,800 --> 00:19:51,400 Speaker 2: going to be convicted, And I know people that say, 352 00:19:51,440 --> 00:19:53,960 Speaker 2: absolutely not. There'll be someone on that jury that refuses. 353 00:19:54,040 --> 00:19:57,879 Speaker 2: So that to me means no one really knows, which 354 00:19:57,960 --> 00:19:59,800 Speaker 2: is a good a good place to be when you're 355 00:19:59,800 --> 00:20:03,159 Speaker 2: looking at predictions, or a good understanding to have. But 356 00:20:03,280 --> 00:20:06,879 Speaker 2: we'll we'll continue. But here here is Trump who was 357 00:20:06,960 --> 00:20:10,000 Speaker 2: saying that he was speaking before his Monday trial, and 358 00:20:10,040 --> 00:20:14,520 Speaker 2: he was just saying, all these Biden trials, obviously calling 359 00:20:14,600 --> 00:20:19,520 Speaker 2: Biden Biden out for being involved in some way in 360 00:20:19,560 --> 00:20:22,399 Speaker 2: the federal trials because it's happening on his watch and 361 00:20:22,400 --> 00:20:26,159 Speaker 2: it's his attorney general. And then also the allegations are 362 00:20:26,200 --> 00:20:30,120 Speaker 2: out there that there's been collusion between uh, the New 363 00:20:30,200 --> 00:20:33,480 Speaker 2: York City or the Manhattan District Attorney Alvin Bragg, and 364 00:20:33,560 --> 00:20:40,080 Speaker 2: also Letitia James, and and also uh, Fannie willis going 365 00:20:40,080 --> 00:20:43,760 Speaker 2: to the White House at different times. Right, So Biden trials, 366 00:20:43,800 --> 00:20:46,280 Speaker 2: which hunt this is what he's saying. Play clip one. 367 00:20:46,560 --> 00:20:48,760 Speaker 3: They just want to say before we begin, these are 368 00:20:48,760 --> 00:20:53,000 Speaker 3: all Biden trials. This is done as election interference. Everybody 369 00:20:53,040 --> 00:20:55,600 Speaker 3: knows that I'm here instead of being able to be 370 00:20:55,680 --> 00:20:59,920 Speaker 3: in Pennsylvania and Georgia and lots of other places campaigning, 371 00:21:00,600 --> 00:21:03,600 Speaker 3: and it's very unfair. Fortunately, the poem uppers are very good. 372 00:21:03,680 --> 00:21:06,800 Speaker 3: They've been going up because people understand what's going on. 373 00:21:06,920 --> 00:21:09,159 Speaker 3: This is a witch hunt and it's a shame, and 374 00:21:09,240 --> 00:21:12,520 Speaker 3: it comes out of Washington. It's in coordination with Washington. 375 00:21:12,600 --> 00:21:14,080 Speaker 1: Everything including the. 376 00:21:14,119 --> 00:21:17,840 Speaker 3: DA's office, it's in coordination with Washington. I just want 377 00:21:17,880 --> 00:21:20,879 Speaker 3: people to understand that this is done for the purposes 378 00:21:20,920 --> 00:21:25,359 Speaker 3: of hurting the opponents of the worst president in the 379 00:21:25,400 --> 00:21:26,400 Speaker 3: history of our country. 380 00:21:27,400 --> 00:21:30,840 Speaker 2: I think that's absolutely not only true, Clay, but obvious 381 00:21:31,320 --> 00:21:33,960 Speaker 2: because if it was about justice and the justice system, 382 00:21:34,320 --> 00:21:37,440 Speaker 2: they wouldn't have held all of these until the election year. 383 00:21:37,760 --> 00:21:40,160 Speaker 2: This is the most blatant political interference. 384 00:21:40,960 --> 00:21:41,399 Speaker 1: I don't know. 385 00:21:41,440 --> 00:21:44,120 Speaker 2: I mean, certainly in our lifetime in a presidential election, 386 00:21:44,240 --> 00:21:47,600 Speaker 2: what would be bigger interference than this in a presidential election. 387 00:21:48,320 --> 00:21:53,000 Speaker 1: I can't think of anything even close. And I do 388 00:21:53,119 --> 00:21:58,760 Speaker 1: wonder what the impact regardless of this result. I would say, 389 00:21:59,040 --> 00:22:02,000 Speaker 1: as the trial begins today, presuming that it's going to 390 00:22:02,080 --> 00:22:05,679 Speaker 1: take six to eight weeks, although it's moved to be fair, 391 00:22:05,760 --> 00:22:08,520 Speaker 1: you expected it to move rapidly. It's moved far more 392 00:22:08,600 --> 00:22:10,400 Speaker 1: rapidly than I thought. I didn't think they'd be able 393 00:22:10,440 --> 00:22:12,479 Speaker 1: to seek the jury in a week. I didn't think 394 00:22:12,480 --> 00:22:15,320 Speaker 1: they would be able to get the opening arguments done. 395 00:22:15,359 --> 00:22:18,840 Speaker 1: Remember on Thursday, and probably what is a far more 396 00:22:18,880 --> 00:22:22,480 Speaker 1: consequential case. The Supreme Court is going to consider the 397 00:22:22,560 --> 00:22:26,040 Speaker 1: scope of presidential immunity, and that has a big deal 398 00:22:26,600 --> 00:22:29,320 Speaker 1: when it comes to what exactly is going to happen 399 00:22:29,400 --> 00:22:31,760 Speaker 1: with Jack Smith, because they still have to decide whether 400 00:22:31,760 --> 00:22:34,240 Speaker 1: the four counts that he's brought, half of them are 401 00:22:34,240 --> 00:22:38,280 Speaker 1: potentially being thrown out in that ruling dealing with whether 402 00:22:38,400 --> 00:22:41,560 Speaker 1: obstructing an official event can be or can't be applied. 403 00:22:42,480 --> 00:22:45,720 Speaker 1: I lay out of this, You and I followed this 404 00:22:46,119 --> 00:22:52,520 Speaker 1: in a minute detail. What is the average voter able 405 00:22:52,680 --> 00:22:58,639 Speaker 1: to even comprehend about all of these cases? Egene Carroll, 406 00:22:59,240 --> 00:23:02,919 Speaker 1: Letitia James, this one that's going on right now with 407 00:23:03,000 --> 00:23:07,600 Speaker 1: Alvin Bragg, Jack Smith in DC, Jack Smith in South Florida, 408 00:23:07,960 --> 00:23:12,600 Speaker 1: Fanny Willis in Atlanta. You and I, because we follow 409 00:23:12,760 --> 00:23:15,960 Speaker 1: all of this on a very detailed fashion, are able 410 00:23:16,040 --> 00:23:19,040 Speaker 1: to talk about all of these cases in a unique way. 411 00:23:19,480 --> 00:23:22,439 Speaker 1: Many of you out there listening are doing the same. 412 00:23:23,160 --> 00:23:26,159 Speaker 1: I think fifteen or twenty percent of America even is 413 00:23:26,240 --> 00:23:29,520 Speaker 1: able to distinguish between all these cases. I think there's 414 00:23:29,560 --> 00:23:32,720 Speaker 1: just kind of a big blob in the mind of 415 00:23:32,840 --> 00:23:36,120 Speaker 1: many voters out there with all of these legal shenanigans. 416 00:23:36,160 --> 00:23:40,119 Speaker 2: Well, this is why it's clearly a flood the zone strategy. 417 00:23:40,160 --> 00:23:42,160 Speaker 2: And then I think you have to get to why 418 00:23:42,160 --> 00:23:44,239 Speaker 2: would they want to flood the zone or rather what 419 00:23:44,320 --> 00:23:47,720 Speaker 2: do what is the Clearly it just is meant to 420 00:23:47,720 --> 00:23:52,080 Speaker 2: put pressure on Trump, take time, take resources, It's meant 421 00:23:52,119 --> 00:23:55,399 Speaker 2: to hurt him reputationally, all of the obvious things that 422 00:23:55,440 --> 00:23:59,719 Speaker 2: we all know. But additionally, are they just banking on 423 00:23:59,800 --> 00:24:02,960 Speaker 2: You get a felony conviction of Trump to your point 424 00:24:02,960 --> 00:24:05,560 Speaker 2: about how many people are really paying attention, and then 425 00:24:05,600 --> 00:24:12,240 Speaker 2: it just turns into the entire Democrat media apparatus hitting convicted, felon, convicted, felon, convicted, 426 00:24:12,240 --> 00:24:15,000 Speaker 2: fellon Donald Trump every day from now to the election, 427 00:24:15,560 --> 00:24:19,320 Speaker 2: and that alone is enough in their minds to be 428 00:24:19,400 --> 00:24:23,440 Speaker 2: the difference maker. I think the answer right now is yes. 429 00:24:23,480 --> 00:24:25,480 Speaker 2: I mean Andy, we had Andy McCarthy on last week, 430 00:24:25,560 --> 00:24:27,560 Speaker 2: right he was He's like, they're not gonna They're not 431 00:24:27,600 --> 00:24:30,040 Speaker 2: gonna put him in prison. Now, I think he's a 432 00:24:30,040 --> 00:24:31,720 Speaker 2: little more certain of that that he should be in 433 00:24:31,800 --> 00:24:33,520 Speaker 2: terms of the house arresting. I don't think they put 434 00:24:33,560 --> 00:24:36,680 Speaker 2: him in Rikers, but I I anyway Andy tense, he 435 00:24:36,800 --> 00:24:37,560 Speaker 2: may try to put. 436 00:24:37,440 --> 00:24:40,480 Speaker 1: Him in Rikers. I'm not even kidding him. You're going 437 00:24:40,520 --> 00:24:43,240 Speaker 1: to a whole lot of Yeah, they're going to sentence him. 438 00:24:43,440 --> 00:24:46,320 Speaker 1: And I think whether they try to put him in 439 00:24:46,359 --> 00:24:48,600 Speaker 1: prison or not, I mean, I mean, this will be 440 00:24:48,640 --> 00:24:51,040 Speaker 1: a function of whether they think they're going to be 441 00:24:51,119 --> 00:24:53,719 Speaker 1: able to get a second trial. My thought is if 442 00:24:53,760 --> 00:24:56,919 Speaker 1: they don't get a second trial complete, they're going to 443 00:24:57,119 --> 00:25:01,000 Speaker 1: wildly overreact to this one in an effort to try 444 00:25:01,040 --> 00:25:03,719 Speaker 1: to make it as big of a deal as they 445 00:25:03,760 --> 00:25:04,400 Speaker 1: possibly can. 446 00:25:04,640 --> 00:25:07,199 Speaker 2: I also think that, and this I will say, I 447 00:25:07,240 --> 00:25:10,080 Speaker 2: believe I have been rather presciented on this so far 448 00:25:10,160 --> 00:25:14,919 Speaker 2: this year, because I went through the timeline and I 449 00:25:14,960 --> 00:25:16,960 Speaker 2: did it with a friend of mine who had worked 450 00:25:18,000 --> 00:25:21,200 Speaker 2: on the on the federal judiciary side for many, many years, 451 00:25:21,680 --> 00:25:23,520 Speaker 2: and he kept hammering home to me, He's like, look 452 00:25:23,560 --> 00:25:26,200 Speaker 2: at how fast they are moving in DC right. They 453 00:25:26,200 --> 00:25:29,639 Speaker 2: are moving at a speed that is I call a 454 00:25:29,680 --> 00:25:33,119 Speaker 2: ludicrous speed, like from spaceballs. They never do this in 455 00:25:33,160 --> 00:25:35,399 Speaker 2: New York. When Andy was talking about sentencing and all 456 00:25:35,440 --> 00:25:40,480 Speaker 2: of that, he's talking about normal order, right, And I 457 00:25:40,520 --> 00:25:42,320 Speaker 2: think even when you're looking Clay, you're looking at the 458 00:25:42,400 --> 00:25:45,440 Speaker 2: jury selection. If someone's you know, oh it's a guy 459 00:25:45,440 --> 00:25:49,199 Speaker 2: who's accused of a you know, medicare fraud, always facing 460 00:25:49,280 --> 00:25:52,280 Speaker 2: fifteen years, Oh you know, all right, you know he's 461 00:25:52,280 --> 00:25:54,400 Speaker 2: not a danger to the public thirty you know, we'll 462 00:25:54,440 --> 00:25:57,199 Speaker 2: do this for thirty days. That'll take three months. This 463 00:25:57,240 --> 00:26:00,720 Speaker 2: will take everything here is about the timing, and the 464 00:26:00,800 --> 00:26:02,840 Speaker 2: people that are manipulating. 465 00:26:02,280 --> 00:26:03,119 Speaker 1: The system know that. 466 00:26:03,560 --> 00:26:05,720 Speaker 2: So that's where you have to ask, I think, to 467 00:26:05,840 --> 00:26:08,359 Speaker 2: understand how quickly they will to your point about the 468 00:26:08,440 --> 00:26:11,520 Speaker 2: sentencing or what they're going to do. Yeah, a normal 469 00:26:11,600 --> 00:26:13,919 Speaker 2: sentencing procedure would mean that that's never going to come 470 00:26:14,000 --> 00:26:17,040 Speaker 2: up before the election. This is not a normal percedure. 471 00:26:17,119 --> 00:26:19,560 Speaker 2: There is nothing normal about this stuff. And that's why 472 00:26:19,640 --> 00:26:23,560 Speaker 2: I think we have to observe the Trump legal challenges 473 00:26:23,880 --> 00:26:27,160 Speaker 2: through the lens of the abnormality that we've already seen. 474 00:26:27,880 --> 00:26:29,040 Speaker 2: I think they've established this. 475 00:26:29,680 --> 00:26:32,199 Speaker 1: What do you think the chance there is no chance 476 00:26:32,600 --> 00:26:35,080 Speaker 1: in my mind, of an acquittal that is a not 477 00:26:35,160 --> 00:26:38,960 Speaker 1: guilty verdict zero. I would put them legitimately as zero. 478 00:26:39,760 --> 00:26:42,679 Speaker 1: I don't believe that they've managed to get twelve open 479 00:26:42,760 --> 00:26:46,679 Speaker 1: minded jurors who would be willing to say Donald Trump 480 00:26:46,760 --> 00:26:49,600 Speaker 1: is not guilty in a jurisdiction where eighty seven percent 481 00:26:49,600 --> 00:26:52,159 Speaker 1: of the vote went against him. So I think zero percent. 482 00:26:52,160 --> 00:26:54,119 Speaker 1: Would you agree? Do you think there's any chance of 483 00:26:54,160 --> 00:26:56,840 Speaker 1: an acquittal or not guilty verdict? 484 00:26:57,280 --> 00:26:59,560 Speaker 2: No, I think there's a zero zero at Yeah. 485 00:26:59,640 --> 00:27:04,520 Speaker 1: Okay, So building on that, what do you think the 486 00:27:04,640 --> 00:27:06,800 Speaker 1: chances are? And you can hold this and we can 487 00:27:06,800 --> 00:27:09,200 Speaker 1: debate it some when we come back in the next 488 00:27:09,200 --> 00:27:11,919 Speaker 1: segment if you want, But what do you think the 489 00:27:12,000 --> 00:27:16,240 Speaker 1: chances are that there is at least one juror that 490 00:27:16,359 --> 00:27:20,720 Speaker 1: will vote not guilty or is even willing at this 491 00:27:20,920 --> 00:27:23,480 Speaker 1: point in time Because everybody says, oh, the jury doesn't 492 00:27:23,480 --> 00:27:25,919 Speaker 1: ever make their mind up. Yeah, I get it. I 493 00:27:26,000 --> 00:27:31,080 Speaker 1: understand all that everybody knows. Unless there's some bombshell revelation 494 00:27:31,880 --> 00:27:34,879 Speaker 1: we've all known for years all of the details of 495 00:27:34,920 --> 00:27:37,720 Speaker 1: this case, there's not having earth shattering I don't. 496 00:27:37,560 --> 00:27:41,520 Speaker 2: Think I have a strong opinion on this question that 497 00:27:41,640 --> 00:27:44,600 Speaker 2: I feel very confident I will be right. But we're 498 00:27:44,600 --> 00:27:45,800 Speaker 2: gonna have to get to it in a moment. 499 00:27:46,200 --> 00:27:47,960 Speaker 1: That's what you call a hell of a tease. I 500 00:27:48,000 --> 00:27:49,800 Speaker 1: didn't even realize this. I should have been on top 501 00:27:49,840 --> 00:27:53,680 Speaker 1: of it. Mother's Day's three weekends away, three weekends until 502 00:27:53,720 --> 00:27:55,640 Speaker 1: Mother's Day. A lot of you out there probably hadn't 503 00:27:55,640 --> 00:27:58,480 Speaker 1: thought about it. May il'll sneak up on you. 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I'll give you my answer here 522 00:29:13,400 --> 00:29:16,360 Speaker 1: in a second. I'm curious for yours, Buck, what do 523 00:29:16,560 --> 00:29:20,880 Speaker 1: we both agree zero percent chance of acquittal or not guilty. 524 00:29:21,200 --> 00:29:24,880 Speaker 1: By the way they've broken, evidently the day of court 525 00:29:25,080 --> 00:29:28,840 Speaker 1: is over. Trump is speaking. We'll have some audio from 526 00:29:28,880 --> 00:29:31,080 Speaker 1: him in the next hour for you. At the end 527 00:29:31,160 --> 00:29:34,720 Speaker 1: of this first day, evidently they have finished already, Buck, 528 00:29:34,760 --> 00:29:37,720 Speaker 1: what chances do you put of the twelve jurors or 529 00:29:37,720 --> 00:29:40,840 Speaker 1: the six alternates who might end up seeding. What do 530 00:29:40,920 --> 00:29:43,600 Speaker 1: you think the chances are that one of them would 531 00:29:43,640 --> 00:29:46,520 Speaker 1: be open to a not guilty verdict and or a 532 00:29:46,640 --> 00:29:49,480 Speaker 1: hung jury as a result, because they're not going to 533 00:29:49,520 --> 00:29:51,440 Speaker 1: get twelve to agree on a not guilty. 534 00:29:51,960 --> 00:29:53,880 Speaker 2: I think you'd have to give somebody if you were 535 00:29:54,000 --> 00:29:57,720 Speaker 2: placing bets on this. I think the odds are at 536 00:29:57,800 --> 00:30:02,200 Speaker 2: least two to one in favor of a guilty verdict, 537 00:30:02,320 --> 00:30:07,360 Speaker 2: whatever that means. So two okay, opposite of what you said, Yes, right, 538 00:30:07,480 --> 00:30:10,200 Speaker 2: so it happened? It is it is it is twice 539 00:30:10,320 --> 00:30:13,120 Speaker 2: as likely in my mind that there will be a 540 00:30:13,160 --> 00:30:17,120 Speaker 2: guilty verdict. And here's why. It doesn't matter how stupid 541 00:30:17,120 --> 00:30:20,120 Speaker 2: the case is. It doesn't matter how absurd all this is. 542 00:30:20,480 --> 00:30:24,360 Speaker 2: And it's not even just about the jurors who hate Trump, 543 00:30:24,360 --> 00:30:27,080 Speaker 2: but I think that's baked into this right. There are 544 00:30:27,080 --> 00:30:29,680 Speaker 2: going to be jurors where, you know, whatever they've said, 545 00:30:29,720 --> 00:30:33,720 Speaker 2: oh I don't even pay attention, sure, bull crap Clay. 546 00:30:33,920 --> 00:30:36,120 Speaker 2: I think that the one or two people on that 547 00:30:36,240 --> 00:30:40,680 Speaker 2: jury who might be willing to say this is unjust, 548 00:30:41,120 --> 00:30:44,280 Speaker 2: this is wrong, are also going to have to think 549 00:30:44,840 --> 00:30:49,040 Speaker 2: do I want to have my life ruined in favor 550 00:30:49,120 --> 00:30:52,360 Speaker 2: of preventing Donald Trump from from being held, you know, 551 00:30:52,640 --> 00:30:55,880 Speaker 2: guilty or found guilty on this issue. I think the 552 00:30:55,880 --> 00:31:01,280 Speaker 2: intimidation factor as a Manhattan resident is too high or 553 00:31:01,320 --> 00:31:04,840 Speaker 2: anyone on that jury to have the backbone. I hope 554 00:31:04,920 --> 00:31:07,520 Speaker 2: I am wrong, but I do think that is really 555 00:31:07,560 --> 00:31:11,800 Speaker 2: the deciding factor. The social pariah factor is what you're 556 00:31:11,920 --> 00:31:15,800 Speaker 2: basically what you're basically pointing to. More than social I 557 00:31:16,000 --> 00:31:18,560 Speaker 2: think I think people's livelihoods are at risk. I think 558 00:31:18,600 --> 00:31:20,840 Speaker 2: they think their safety and their family safety would be 559 00:31:20,840 --> 00:31:24,800 Speaker 2: at risk. People are psychopathic and their hatred for Donald Trump. 560 00:31:24,840 --> 00:31:27,120 Speaker 2: In these blue I know I lived in New York 561 00:31:27,200 --> 00:31:30,000 Speaker 2: until last year. They are out of their minds with 562 00:31:30,040 --> 00:31:32,160 Speaker 2: how much they hate him. And there's a whole element 563 00:31:32,240 --> 00:31:35,840 Speaker 2: that thinks anything to stop Trump, and to stop anyone 564 00:31:35,840 --> 00:31:37,720 Speaker 2: who is pro Trump is justified. 565 00:31:38,240 --> 00:31:40,920 Speaker 1: I think the only juror who'd be willing to do 566 00:31:41,080 --> 00:31:45,200 Speaker 1: it would need I have a couple of thoughts on it. One, 567 00:31:45,400 --> 00:31:49,360 Speaker 1: they're diehard Trump person and they just don't care about 568 00:31:49,360 --> 00:31:54,120 Speaker 1: what other social costs there might be. Two. A part 569 00:31:54,120 --> 00:31:57,920 Speaker 1: of me thinks a retiree or someone who is already 570 00:31:58,000 --> 00:32:01,960 Speaker 1: outside of the usual stream of commerce. In other words, 571 00:32:02,000 --> 00:32:04,240 Speaker 1: you don't have a job that you're worried about your family, 572 00:32:04,240 --> 00:32:08,120 Speaker 1: you're already retired three and this one maybe is intriguing. 573 00:32:09,000 --> 00:32:13,320 Speaker 1: You're just ready to leave New York. And your recognition 574 00:32:13,720 --> 00:32:18,040 Speaker 1: is that if you were the juror who said not 575 00:32:18,320 --> 00:32:21,920 Speaker 1: guilty for Trump and then went public that while you 576 00:32:22,000 --> 00:32:25,880 Speaker 1: might be a social pariah in New York City, there 577 00:32:26,000 --> 00:32:30,080 Speaker 1: are several red states where you would go and people 578 00:32:30,120 --> 00:32:33,040 Speaker 1: would treat you very well. So those are kind of 579 00:32:33,040 --> 00:32:36,000 Speaker 1: the way that I would say someone might be willing. 580 00:32:36,280 --> 00:32:38,920 Speaker 1: The other one I would say and this is I've 581 00:32:38,920 --> 00:32:41,360 Speaker 1: been disappointed in a lot of these people. You have 582 00:32:41,600 --> 00:32:44,440 Speaker 1: so much money. I don't know what the wealth status is. 583 00:32:44,520 --> 00:32:46,720 Speaker 1: It's unlikely, but there are a lot of wealthy people 584 00:32:46,720 --> 00:32:50,800 Speaker 1: in Manhattan that you are in some way insulated from 585 00:32:50,960 --> 00:32:54,400 Speaker 1: political pressure. For instance, I've said this for a long time. 586 00:32:55,440 --> 00:32:59,800 Speaker 1: If you've got twenty million dollars, yeah, nobody can really 587 00:33:00,000 --> 00:33:01,680 Speaker 1: Which people in New York want to be liked? Let 588 00:33:01,720 --> 00:33:03,040 Speaker 1: me tell you, I know a lot of rich people 589 00:33:03,080 --> 00:33:04,800 Speaker 1: in New York, buddy. That's people in New York that's 590 00:33:04,800 --> 00:33:05,880 Speaker 1: pathetic to me, by the way. 591 00:33:06,200 --> 00:33:08,600 Speaker 2: I know, I know, but I'm telling you your mindset, 592 00:33:08,640 --> 00:33:10,800 Speaker 2: and they want to be liked by the other rich people. 593 00:33:10,960 --> 00:33:13,040 Speaker 2: They want to go to the fancy restaurants and get 594 00:33:13,040 --> 00:33:15,280 Speaker 2: the good table and have people come over and like them. 595 00:33:15,520 --> 00:33:17,600 Speaker 2: The one thing that rich people in New York City, 596 00:33:17,880 --> 00:33:22,240 Speaker 2: generally I'm speaking in general here overwhelmingly want is the 597 00:33:22,280 --> 00:33:24,680 Speaker 2: approval of their peer group. And they're not going to 598 00:33:24,840 --> 00:33:27,120 Speaker 2: risk you could. I'm not saying you're not right, you 599 00:33:27,160 --> 00:33:30,239 Speaker 2: could be right, but the odds of even first of all, 600 00:33:30,280 --> 00:33:32,000 Speaker 2: someone having that much money, but second of all having 601 00:33:32,040 --> 00:33:36,240 Speaker 2: that much money and not caring because look, look at Dershowitz. 602 00:33:36,520 --> 00:33:39,960 Speaker 2: Irschowitz is like, I vote Bershowitz says, I vote Biden. 603 00:33:40,040 --> 00:33:42,080 Speaker 2: I think Trump is a bad president, but I don't 604 00:33:42,200 --> 00:33:45,920 Speaker 2: like the constitutional order being upended to destroy him. And 605 00:33:45,960 --> 00:33:48,640 Speaker 2: he'll tell you, he's told us on the show. Not 606 00:33:48,680 --> 00:33:51,320 Speaker 2: invited to any of the n Tucket Martha's vinyard. Not 607 00:33:51,360 --> 00:33:54,120 Speaker 2: invited to any of Martha's vineyard parties anymore. Now, if 608 00:33:54,120 --> 00:33:56,840 Speaker 2: you have a Dershowitz on the jury, Okay, not a 609 00:33:56,840 --> 00:33:58,880 Speaker 2: lot of dershowitz is running around these days. You know, 610 00:33:59,080 --> 00:34:01,840 Speaker 2: it's you know, in a lot of ways. Let's take 611 00:34:01,920 --> 00:34:04,320 Speaker 2: Jeff in Nebraska. What's going on, Jeff. 612 00:34:05,880 --> 00:34:10,360 Speaker 3: Dough Clay, I mean not Clay fuck imagine Clay a 613 00:34:10,440 --> 00:34:12,200 Speaker 3: juror finding Trump, not Gilby. 614 00:34:12,239 --> 00:34:13,600 Speaker 4: He get the Steve. 615 00:34:13,320 --> 00:34:16,680 Speaker 1: Bartman treatment from those rest of the New Yorkers. You 616 00:34:16,680 --> 00:34:21,160 Speaker 1: remember apartment Oh chicgo crumbs fan who knocked the ball 617 00:34:21,200 --> 00:34:23,800 Speaker 1: out about But so here's my thing. Am I really 618 00:34:23,960 --> 00:34:27,839 Speaker 1: so rare out there that I don't know if I'm 619 00:34:27,840 --> 00:34:31,160 Speaker 1: well liked in my community? I really don't. I mean 620 00:34:31,200 --> 00:34:33,640 Speaker 1: I might be totally hated. There might be people turning 621 00:34:33,640 --> 00:34:34,960 Speaker 1: their backs on me all the time. 622 00:34:35,760 --> 00:34:38,600 Speaker 2: I mean, you went on CNN when CNN thought of 623 00:34:38,680 --> 00:34:41,640 Speaker 2: itself as the most serious news organization on the planet, 624 00:34:41,719 --> 00:34:44,160 Speaker 2: they really did and said that you love the First 625 00:34:44,160 --> 00:34:47,520 Speaker 2: Amendment and boobs and you would do it again. So 626 00:34:47,640 --> 00:34:49,120 Speaker 2: you are a unique bird. 627 00:34:49,480 --> 00:34:50,040 Speaker 1: This is true. 628 00:34:50,200 --> 00:34:51,360 Speaker 2: You are a unique snowflake. 629 00:34:52,000 --> 00:34:55,880 Speaker 1: I just I either don't care or presume that everybody 630 00:34:55,960 --> 00:34:58,040 Speaker 1: likes me, and it doesn't really impact my life. 631 00:34:58,120 --> 00:35:01,680 Speaker 2: I just so Je every room, you have the hatred 632 00:35:01,880 --> 00:35:03,920 Speaker 2: you think, the hatred that this person would face on 633 00:35:03,960 --> 00:35:06,000 Speaker 2: the jury if they went, you know, if they refused 634 00:35:06,000 --> 00:35:10,040 Speaker 2: to convict, would just be too much. Oh do we 635 00:35:10,040 --> 00:35:16,359 Speaker 2: lose Jeff? Sorry your face? Yeah, yeah, I think I 636 00:35:16,360 --> 00:35:19,040 Speaker 2: think I hear what jeffs saying. All right, let's take 637 00:35:19,560 --> 00:35:22,160 Speaker 2: Valerie and Raleigh. Valerie, what's going on? 638 00:35:23,640 --> 00:35:26,880 Speaker 4: Hey, Clay and Buck. It's amazing to be able to 639 00:35:26,920 --> 00:35:30,120 Speaker 4: talk to you too after all this time. Well spend 640 00:35:30,120 --> 00:35:33,719 Speaker 4: most of my days, really, You're awesome. I spend most 641 00:35:33,719 --> 00:35:36,960 Speaker 4: of my days being pissed off and the other half 642 00:35:37,040 --> 00:35:41,120 Speaker 4: of my day unstressed. So about all this stuff. I 643 00:35:41,239 --> 00:35:44,840 Speaker 4: was actually going to talk about the protests at Columbia, 644 00:35:47,360 --> 00:35:49,760 Speaker 4: but I see you're talking about Trump now. But anyway, 645 00:35:50,040 --> 00:35:51,399 Speaker 4: I got a way to shut it down. 646 00:35:52,480 --> 00:35:54,359 Speaker 1: I think you. 647 00:35:54,280 --> 00:35:58,600 Speaker 4: Bring out the National Guard, just give them, get a megaphone, 648 00:35:58,880 --> 00:36:02,799 Speaker 4: thirty minutes to take down all these tents. And you 649 00:36:02,880 --> 00:36:06,160 Speaker 4: have one of them great big renovation dumpster sit now 650 00:36:06,239 --> 00:36:09,480 Speaker 4: there and in thirty minutes, if they don't start taking 651 00:36:09,520 --> 00:36:11,640 Speaker 4: them down, you just start dumping them in the dumpster. 652 00:36:11,960 --> 00:36:14,200 Speaker 1: Well, you know, Yale, thank you for calling Valerie. 653 00:36:14,320 --> 00:36:20,120 Speaker 2: Yale has already basically with police, done what you're telling 654 00:36:20,160 --> 00:36:23,360 Speaker 2: them to do. And I just wonder, Clay, Yeah, what 655 00:36:23,400 --> 00:36:26,359 Speaker 2: are they going to do if the students say we'll 656 00:36:26,360 --> 00:36:29,239 Speaker 2: take the or else move or else, we'll take the 657 00:36:29,440 --> 00:36:29,800 Speaker 2: or else. 658 00:36:30,120 --> 00:36:31,719 Speaker 1: I also I want to talk about this time we 659 00:36:31,800 --> 00:36:33,400 Speaker 1: come back because I think about it now in the 660 00:36:33,400 --> 00:36:36,520 Speaker 1: context of being a parent. Can you imagine paying one 661 00:36:36,600 --> 00:36:39,040 Speaker 1: hundred thousand dollars a year for your kid to go 662 00:36:39,080 --> 00:36:42,760 Speaker 1: to Columbia or Yale and finding out that they're living 663 00:36:42,800 --> 00:36:46,400 Speaker 1: on the quad in a tent protesting Israel. I would 664 00:36:46,440 --> 00:36:56,080 Speaker 1: lose my mind. I bet a lot of you would too.