Speaker 1: You are listening to What in the Winkler and iHeartRadio podcast.
Speaker 1: Welcome back to another episode of What in the Winkler.
Speaker 1: Jenny Mollin is a writer, a comedian, and New York
Speaker 1: Times bestselling author of the essay collections I Like You
Speaker 1: Just the Way I Am and Live Fast, Die Hot,
Speaker 1: as well as the national best selling novel City of Likes.
Speaker 1: Jenny mullen is also married to Jason Biggs from American
Speaker 1: Pie Fame. She is hysterically funny and I'm told we
Speaker 1: have a lot of things in common, so I'm really
Speaker 1: excited to talk to her today.
Speaker 2: Hi guys, Hi, how are you.
Speaker 3: I'm good, How are you good?
Speaker 2: Good to see you, Good to see you two.
Speaker 3: Thanks for doing this, Thanks for having me. I'm so glad.
Speaker 3: I'm really you've been.
Speaker 4: It's been so many yours.
Speaker 1: I mean it's been it's been so many years, and
Speaker 1: like the last couple months feel like it's been twenty
Speaker 1: five years.
Speaker 2: Oh, I've bet, I bet, Oh my god, is it
Speaker 2: crazy out there beyond?
Speaker 3: And I know your sister, you know Sam? I do. Yeah,
Speaker 3: we have really good friends in common. So one of
Speaker 3: my best.
Speaker 1: Friends, Ashley, is good friends with Sam and Sarah Hendler.
Speaker 4: Oh funny, Okay, Yeah, that's.
Speaker 1: Why I get to see her all the time, like
Speaker 1: on the bar Mitzvah bought Mitzvah circuit.
Speaker 4: Oh, I love that.
Speaker 3: I saw that it was just her sons too.
Speaker 2: Yeah, we just we were just out there for Luca's.
Speaker 3: And then also we share Amber in common.
Speaker 2: I know.
Speaker 4: Well that's why I think you and I met was
Speaker 4: with Amber that one day.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 1: I was like a huge fan. I loved your instagram
Speaker 1: so sweet. Yeah, and I thought you were so funny.
Speaker 1: And then Amber was like, oh, she's like one of
Speaker 1: my closest friends. Here we go, and I was like, great,
Speaker 1: So thank you so much for doing this. I'm really grateful.
Speaker 2: How long have you guys been doing this show?
Speaker 1: Well, funny you should ask. So we started in October, okay,
Speaker 1: and it was me and my mom like a mother
Speaker 1: doc because my mom and I are extremely close, but
Speaker 1: she's mentally ill. So we started together just because we
Speaker 1: are funny together and she's insane and makes me insane.
Speaker 1: And then after two episodes, she ended up getting extremely sick.
Speaker 1: She ended up having like sepsis basically, and so she
Speaker 1: got to the hospital. Yeah, so then I started doing
Speaker 1: them on my own, and she's hopefully going to come
Speaker 1: back really soon, so I'm excited for that. But it's
Speaker 1: been a journey, so I'm learning as i go basically,
Speaker 1: and speaking to people.
Speaker 3: Has been so fun.
Speaker 1: I mean, it's just been an amazing experience and I'm
Speaker 1: loving it. But this is like I think I've done
Speaker 1: about like ten episodes.
Speaker 2: Oh wow, Okay, so it's.
Speaker 3: Really it's it's new, and it's well, it's fun. Yeah.
Speaker 1: And so most almost all of my all of my
Speaker 1: interviews have been with friends. Today is the first time
Speaker 1: that I'm doing one where like I kind of know you,
Speaker 1: but I don't really know you.
Speaker 4: So I'm really excited.
Speaker 2: Oh cool.
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, and Amber's producing.
Speaker 3: This, she sure is.
Speaker 1: It was her idea actually to do a podcast because
Speaker 1: I've been asked so many times to do reality TV,
Speaker 1: and I just I would like ruin everyone's life around me.
Speaker 1: So this was like the best, the next best thing.
Speaker 2: Oh I love that.
Speaker 3: Yeah that's yeah. So so yeah.
Speaker 1: So I I was actually noticing I've followed you for years,
Speaker 1: but I noticed that you don't show your kids on
Speaker 1: your Instagram, and I was wondering, like, Tom, can you
Speaker 1: tell me more about that because I'm trying. I'm trying
Speaker 1: to figure out, like do I show my kids? Do
Speaker 1: I not show my kids? Like what what do I do?
Speaker 2: Well? I just never want I don't know. I mean
Speaker 2: I think when when Laslow was a baby, I showed
Speaker 2: pictures of him because I realized after having Sid that,
Speaker 2: like you know, when you first have a kid, they
Speaker 2: don't look any I mean, I don't even he was
Speaker 2: just like ahead, he didn't really like Laslow at all.
Speaker 2: So I remember I had fun like the first two
Speaker 2: days or first maybe a few months of like having
Speaker 2: Laslow because I was like, oh, I can like finally
Speaker 2: post him because it doesn't matter. He's not leaving the house.
Speaker 2: Nobody can like identify him, and he's about to morph
Speaker 2: out of this baby face into like his real face. Anyway.
Speaker 2: I'm just like paranoid. I think I grew up, you know,
Speaker 2: in the eighties where like I felt like everybody was
Speaker 2: like gonna like scamp, kidnap you, rape you, murder you,
Speaker 2: like drive you across the border to Mexico and like
Speaker 2: sell you into slavery. Like I just can't advertise my kids.
Speaker 2: I just feel so scared, especially in New York city
Speaker 2: where I will go to the park and be like, oh,
Speaker 2: those are you know Melissa wood was kids or that's
Speaker 2: even Tren's daughter. You know, it's like people might know,
Speaker 2: but like I know what their kids look like. I
Speaker 2: wouldn't know what their kids looked like to that extent
Speaker 2: if I wasn't following them on Instagram. And that really
Speaker 2: scares me because you know, people will come up to
Speaker 2: me sometimes be like Jenny, and I assume that I
Speaker 2: know them. They always assume I know them. And sometimes
Speaker 2: when it's just like, oh somebody who.
Speaker 3: Photes you very.
Speaker 2: Me when it's just me, but it's just gets so scary.
Speaker 3: Yeah, no, I agree.
Speaker 2: So that's that's why maybe if I lived in La
Speaker 2: I wonder if I would be a different parent, because
Speaker 2: then it's like your kids at school, they're in your car,
Speaker 2: they're in your house.
Speaker 5: Now.
Speaker 3: I thought about that a ton.
Speaker 1: And when I was growing up, my dad would never
Speaker 1: allow us to be photographed ever, ever, ever, And he
Speaker 1: also was afraid of kidnapping, and and so it's like,
Speaker 1: but social media is this weird thing. So I don't
Speaker 1: really show them on like the you know, my public
Speaker 1: Instagram account. But I've been like trying to figure out
Speaker 1: like what what what? What is the right thing? I
Speaker 1: mean not that I'm like a public figure anything like that.
Speaker 1: I have like a podcast with ten episodes.
Speaker 2: But I was just like, but still, anyone can didn't
Speaker 2: have a cute kid, like it's not even about it.
Speaker 1: And my kids are super fucking cute, three redheads, you know.
Speaker 3: But no, you know what else? I just remembered another connection.
Speaker 1: There was this guy that I dated and he was
Speaker 1: really good friends with Jason when he lived in La
Speaker 1: Oh my god, and he owned his family owned a
Speaker 1: wine company.
Speaker 2: Wait ni yes, wait stop when did you date John Honig?
Speaker 3: I mean years ago?
Speaker 1: I was probably a sophomore in No, no, no, I was.
Speaker 1: I was like a freshman in college.
Speaker 2: Oh my god.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I got married at that vineyard.
Speaker 1: Well whatever happened to him? Like he used to live
Speaker 1: in my neighborhood. I ran in him and I've never
Speaker 1: seen him since.
Speaker 2: I don't know where he lives now.
Speaker 3: I remember them.
Speaker 2: That is so funny.
Speaker 6: I'm not sure where he is like currently, No, like
Speaker 6: in life, I just remembered that.
Speaker 2: How funny. That's so funny.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so I know your husband like a little Yeah,
Speaker 1: that is so funny. And then when I moved into
Speaker 1: my house in my neighborhood in LA he randomly was
Speaker 1: like outwalking his dog with his girlfriend or something, and
Speaker 1: I was like, oh my god. I hadn't seen him
Speaker 1: since I was eighteen years old. So then I was,
Speaker 1: you know, like I moved in here probably when I
Speaker 1: was thirty two.
Speaker 3: I was like, wait, what is happening. This is so crazy,
Speaker 3: that's yeah.
Speaker 4: So wild though, fun money. You have to tell some
Speaker 4: out of that too.
Speaker 3: I will, I will.
Speaker 1: I never see her except if I'm like with Sarah
Speaker 1: Hendler or Ashley Cassen or something like that, because they
Speaker 1: live on the other side of town. I'm on the
Speaker 1: west side there on the east side, which is like
Speaker 1: you know, basically they could live in New York City.
Speaker 4: It's two different cliqus, right.
Speaker 3: Yeah, Well, actually I.
Speaker 1: I went to Hancock Park for my for the evacuation.
Speaker 1: I stayed at Ashley's house because she was already in Pumps.
Speaker 3: And I love it there, Like I want to live there.
Speaker 2: Would you move over there?
Speaker 3: No?
Speaker 1: Never, but I love the idea. Yeah, it's just so
Speaker 1: far and like, I'm so close to my parents and
Speaker 1: I live five minutes for them, and our whole life
Speaker 1: is over here.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's how I feel about moving uptown. I don't
Speaker 2: know if I could do it right.
Speaker 3: I mean, it's it. But does any of your family
Speaker 3: live in New York or just you?
Speaker 5: No?
Speaker 2: Just us?
Speaker 1: And another funny connection is my best friend's little sister
Speaker 1: lives in your old house.
Speaker 2: Wait, Hallie Benedict, Yeah, I know. I mean I still
Speaker 2: follow her so I sometimes see the house. It's so
Speaker 2: wild to think about.
Speaker 3: I know that house is so incredible.
Speaker 2: I miss that house. But I did think it was
Speaker 2: haunted when I first said Sid. That's kind of why
Speaker 2: I had to sell it. And it's kind of annoying
Speaker 2: to me that, like Halle hasn't been like killed by
Speaker 2: a ghost, and she seems perfectly happy there.
Speaker 3: She seems like thriving.
Speaker 2: Unsettling to me that, like the ghost seems fine with
Speaker 2: the new family that moved in.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I guess, I guess the guys just didn't like you.
Speaker 1: But it's funny that we have so much overlap.
Speaker 2: Tons of overlap.
Speaker 3: Yeah, but I I mean, but do you ever do
Speaker 3: you come to La a lot or not that often?
Speaker 2: You know? I was out there a bit this year
Speaker 2: because Jason and I were shooting this show for TBS
Speaker 2: that shoots downtown LA, and then I was doing some
Speaker 2: podcasting out there. But no, I'm not. I'm I don't
Speaker 2: spend as much time out there as I thought I
Speaker 2: would it.
Speaker 3: Do you ever think about moving back or no?
Speaker 2: No, I don't think I could. I don't know. I
Speaker 2: don't know what kind of I don't. I was never
Speaker 2: a mom.
Speaker 1: In La, right, I can't see and I cannot imagine
Speaker 1: being a mom in New York.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, it's so easy.
Speaker 3: It feels so hard.
Speaker 4: Everything comes to me and like I can walk everywhere.
Speaker 2: It's so I moved to New York thinking like this
Speaker 2: is like a giant cruise ship where I can like
Speaker 2: work all day and then I can like wander outside
Speaker 2: and I have like a different identity. I mean, I
Speaker 2: don't know.
Speaker 4: It's it's the best of both worlds for me.
Speaker 1: But it feels like very it feels very overwhelming for me.
Speaker 1: Like I throw everything in my car and there you
Speaker 1: have to like walk over and you're like how do.
Speaker 3: You get your groceries home? Like so many things.
Speaker 2: All just like comes here.
Speaker 3: That's so, that is so great, But I fear I
Speaker 3: would never leave my apartment.
Speaker 2: No, it's so easy to not leave too. Yeah, you're cleaning,
Speaker 2: you just give it to your dormant and then it
Speaker 2: just comes back to your dormant.
Speaker 3: But maybe you've switched my mind. Maybe maybe I should
Speaker 3: make the move.
Speaker 2: And like you want to have something from right age,
Speaker 2: Like you waltz outside your apartment, You walk like one
Speaker 2: block and you're there. You don't need a car, it's
Speaker 2: so and you get in so many you log so
Speaker 2: many miles a day during is.
Speaker 3: So much walking, so much walking right, Walking is.
Speaker 1: Like my thing when I feel anxious, I like have
Speaker 1: a lot of anxiety, and when I feel really anxious,
Speaker 1: I just go outside and walk and that really helps me,
Speaker 1: except for right now, because no one can go outside.
Speaker 2: But you can't leave the house right now, right no,
Speaker 2: And you can't open a window, you know, walk.
Speaker 1: Oh my god, it's so wild. Parenting in this season
Speaker 1: of life, whatever we're in, is wild.
Speaker 3: I think, Yes, do your kids have social media?
Speaker 5: No?
Speaker 2: Do yours? No?
Speaker 3: How old are your kids?
Speaker 2: Ten? And eight?
Speaker 3: Okay?
Speaker 1: So I have seven, nine and thirteen and none of
Speaker 1: them have it? Oh maybe, but I mean my seven
Speaker 1: year old that would be mentally ill if I gave
Speaker 1: him social media, but my thirteen year old doesn't have it,
Speaker 1: and he's always like, I'm the only one.
Speaker 2: I like that one.
Speaker 4: I want it to be the only one without a phone.
Speaker 4: I want him to have like nothing.
Speaker 2: Literally right now, his i'vead is at my nanny's house
Speaker 2: and it's not coming back until February. Asshole.
Speaker 3: But like I did he get in trouble or you
Speaker 3: just were like, well, he got.
Speaker 2: In trouble, but like not really, like it wasn't severe trouble,
Speaker 2: but I needed something to take away and it was
Speaker 2: that was like the only thing. That's the only thing
Speaker 2: he cares about.
Speaker 1: Yeah, same, that's like my young my youngest, that's the
Speaker 1: only thing that has any currency. And we don't even
Speaker 1: have it during the week. It's literally just on the weekend. Yes,
Speaker 1: And if I like that's the only thing he cares about,
Speaker 1: he doesn't care about anything else.
Speaker 2: No, And it's like they're like addicts for it. I
Speaker 2: mean like they fiend for the iPad.
Speaker 1: And somebody told me that it's basically like smoking, and
Speaker 1: it you know, was for like our parents' generation, like
Speaker 1: they thought it relaxed you, they thought it was safe.
Speaker 1: And then it's like Oh no, it's like it's so dangerous.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's horrible.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, it's true.
Speaker 1: And then we've given them, you know, and then especially
Speaker 1: with COVID and everything, they had so much time on
Speaker 1: like an iPad or a device you know.
Speaker 2: Well during COVID, I was like, how could I like
Speaker 2: strap this to your head? Yeah, just you like go
Speaker 2: to it to your.
Speaker 1: Space something that I when I was like learning about you,
Speaker 1: something that I or doing a little bit of research
Speaker 1: something about you that I really.
Speaker 4: I love the idea of you researching me. That's like
Speaker 4: so funny.
Speaker 1: Searching, but like I just you know, like I follow
Speaker 1: you as a fan, but like I was just interested
Speaker 1: in like learning more about things that like every single
Speaker 1: person that's been on this podcast again only ten episodes,
Speaker 1: it's been someone that like is a.
Speaker 3: Friend of mine or that I know or that I
Speaker 3: relate to on some level.
Speaker 1: And one of the things that I really related to
Speaker 1: with you is like the body image stuff and stuff
Speaker 1: that like wouldn't ever because like when I look at you,
Speaker 1: I see like perfection, you know, just like so you know, like, but.
Speaker 2: That's so funny. My son's literally this morning are like
Speaker 2: grabbing my arms and they're like, you have like an
Speaker 2: old lady arm now like your your skin is hanging
Speaker 2: below your your bone. I'm just like and he's like,
Speaker 2: dad looks younger than you. Like, this is horrible shit
Speaker 2: when you addrust me, you.
Speaker 1: Know, I breast had all three of my kids and
Speaker 1: I was showering with my youngest and.
Speaker 3: He was little, and he was like, what's wrong with
Speaker 3: your boobs? And I was like, what do you mean?
Speaker 2: Like why are they so long?
Speaker 3: And I was like because of you? There long? Because
Speaker 3: of you. It's funny.
Speaker 2: But you go like I have no game anymore. I mean, yeah, no,
Speaker 2: it's horrible.
Speaker 3: It's horrible.
Speaker 1: I was wondering like how because you are you know,
Speaker 1: you are out there. I'm not like you know you
Speaker 1: like are married to an actor. You are an actress,
Speaker 1: you have a show, you do all these things, you
Speaker 1: write books, all this stuff.
Speaker 3: Like how does that affect you in your life?
Speaker 2: Body image wise?
Speaker 3: Yeah?
Speaker 1: Like do you still do you ever like do you
Speaker 1: ever like go back into like a place where it
Speaker 1: is sort of like very much in your front of
Speaker 1: your mind or is it just like like oh I
Speaker 1: think that like you.
Speaker 2: Know, when I was younger, I was intorect sick, and
Speaker 2: I ended up like going you know, like putting myself
Speaker 2: into this like treatment program in Arizona, and then I
Speaker 2: like ran away to Europe for like, you know, half
Speaker 2: a year and was like hiding from the world to
Speaker 2: try to like get over it. And I don't know.
Speaker 4: Like, you know, I wouldn't say that you ever.
Speaker 2: I worked with this woman at Lese Rush, who's actually
Speaker 2: in in La and she's like nutritionist. She's amazing. Yeah,
Speaker 2: she's amazing. She's just like really was teaching me sort
Speaker 2: of like just cog behavioral type of stuff with with
Speaker 2: eating because I definitely feel like I grew up in
Speaker 2: a family, like a very vain family. My parents like
Speaker 2: there's literally a there's literally a newspaper article and I'm
Speaker 2: a baby and my mom has my legs and arms
Speaker 2: up and it's like we're putting Jenny I'm a low
Speaker 2: protein diet and we're doing baby callisthetics with her.
Speaker 4: I'm like, you wonder why I had a fucking eating disorder?
Speaker 2: So yeah, yeah, And then like I'm you know, acting,
Speaker 2: and it was like the time of like you know,
Speaker 2: Leslie Bib and Popular and Felicity, and it was just
Speaker 2: like you needed to be so like dangerously thin and
Speaker 2: like I I just felt like I had to do
Speaker 2: that to you know, like stay like in the game
Speaker 2: and be competitive. But then I ended up, uh, you know,
Speaker 2: working with a lease and getting to a place where
Speaker 2: I felt like I was no longer restricting, Like I
Speaker 2: can't imagine now, Like I don't know how I did it.
Speaker 2: I don't know how I had the WheelPower to like
Speaker 2: be hungry all day. I just don't have like now
Speaker 2: I can't. I hate.
Speaker 4: I get like.
Speaker 2: Anxiety when I'm on an airplane, like I'm like, I'm
Speaker 2: gonna starve. I need to eat my neighbor like I
Speaker 2: I eat like over I over eat on an airplane,
Speaker 2: Like crazy of the anxiety is being trapped there, don'teah.
Speaker 1: I packed crazy amounts of like sandwiches and things. When
Speaker 1: we go on an airplane and my husband will be like,
Speaker 1: it's an hour and a half flight, I'm like, but
Speaker 1: maybe they'll want a turkey sandwich, Like I don't know,
Speaker 1: you know.
Speaker 4: I eat through all my kids.
Speaker 2: Things I've found need to like me eating a whole
Speaker 2: papaya like sitting out the steeds is disgusting. We brought
Speaker 2: a whole brand Zeno with us to Germany once and
Speaker 2: Jason found it in our hotel room like a day later.
Speaker 4: He's like, what the fuck is this doing here?
Speaker 2: But so I feel like I got to a better
Speaker 2: place with eating in my body and like kind of
Speaker 2: like figured out like what worked for me. But the
Speaker 2: problem is then I fell into the wellness trap and
Speaker 2: that's like a whole different type of eating disorder where
Speaker 2: I my thyroid went hyper so I looked like skeletal
Speaker 2: after I had my second child and everybody was like,
Speaker 2: you know, what's wrong with you? You're like starving yourself again.
Speaker 2: Found out it was my thyroid. It's like an autoimmune thing.
Speaker 2: So they put me on this diet where it's like
Speaker 2: an AIP diet where I couldn't have like eggs, dairy,
Speaker 2: soy fucking gluten, any rain. And then I got into
Speaker 2: this place like after that where like I balanced my
Speaker 2: thyroid out eating that way, and I knew I can
Speaker 2: like follow a program for a little while until I
Speaker 2: like start binging out of control. But what happened I
Speaker 2: think with that was that like I became like afraid
Speaker 2: of food, Like I started like, oh my god, I'm
Speaker 2: I can't have if I eat gluten, it's I'm gonna
Speaker 2: something's gonna happen to me. My thyroid is gonna like
Speaker 2: ply out of control. And so then I was like
Speaker 2: purging again. And this is now like I'm like what
Speaker 2: forty I was like forty forty two years old, like
Speaker 2: making myself throw up because now it's not even about
Speaker 2: like how my physical body.
Speaker 3: Like trying to it's like this, it's like a it's
Speaker 3: like die.
Speaker 2: I'm gonna die if I eat this, And so like
Speaker 2: I had to like really work so hard to get
Speaker 2: myself out of that mind fuck.
Speaker 3: It's like so I was never inarexic.
Speaker 1: I mean my parents put me on adderall when I
Speaker 1: was twelve, so that like kind of did the anorexia
Speaker 1: for me. And meanwhile, I never had ADHD. I just
Speaker 1: had like a massive anxiety discorner. And I love them.
Speaker 1: They were doing their best, but I'm sure my mom
Speaker 1: also was like, oh, well, now you're thin and prettier,
Speaker 1: so like let's just stay on it. But then I
Speaker 1: became believe I was bleemic off and on throughout you know,
Speaker 1: all of high school, all of middle school, college. So
Speaker 1: that was I was never really inarexic. Although I guess
Speaker 1: being on adderall you don't eat ever, so and why.
Speaker 2: Do you think now? Like how do you feel now?
Speaker 5: Well?
Speaker 1: Then, so then I had my kids, and I was
Speaker 1: totally fine. When after I had my third kid, I
Speaker 1: struggled again. I think I just felt so overwhelmed. And
Speaker 1: it wasn't like I was never a binger, like I
Speaker 1: would never eat, you know, seven pizzas. I would just
Speaker 1: randomly eat like one piece of pizza and I would
Speaker 1: just like have like a full like why did I
Speaker 1: do that?
Speaker 3: Why did I eat that? And there were certain things
Speaker 3: that I would feel that was me too.
Speaker 2: Then i'd go nuts. I'm like, yeah, eat in my house.
Speaker 3: Yeah, but I never did that.
Speaker 1: I wouldn't like I would just like I would just
Speaker 1: throw up. It wasn't even like I would like binge.
Speaker 1: So it was very odd interesting and I yeah.
Speaker 3: And it would just be.
Speaker 1: But I always felt this really big pressure to look
Speaker 1: a certain way, and for so long because I was
Speaker 1: on adderall for so long, sort of like that was
Speaker 1: I always like, that was what I mainly that was
Speaker 1: like how I measured feeling good enough about myself was
Speaker 1: by what I looked like.
Speaker 2: And so were you on that you were like not
Speaker 2: eating at all.
Speaker 3: I mean I was on adderall, but it was like
Speaker 3: basically I was on whatever it was. I don't even remember.
Speaker 1: I mean I was on riddle in first, and then
Speaker 1: you know, the adderall didn't even exist. And then I
Speaker 1: think that when you have ADHD and you're on adderall,
Speaker 1: it affects you much differently than when you don't have ADHD.
Speaker 2: You're on adderall, Right, were you so stressed out? Was
Speaker 2: that like all the time?
Speaker 3: I was like a chain smoker. And as soon as
Speaker 3: I went off of it.
Speaker 1: I remember my husband we got engaged and he was like,
Speaker 1: I don't think you're supposed to be on medicine, and
Speaker 1: I was like, I think you are extremely judgmental and
Speaker 1: I think you should stay in your lane. Meanwhile, he
Speaker 1: was totally right, and I went off of adderall and
Speaker 1: like never smoked a cigarette again, you know, unless like
Speaker 1: I was wasted and felt like it, but you know,
Speaker 1: just never. It was totally like I just was not
Speaker 1: supposed to be on it. But I really had never
Speaker 1: learned kind of like how to eat because from the
Speaker 1: time I was twelve to twenty four, I was on adderall.
Speaker 2: So they do actually like prescribe Vivance, which is sort
Speaker 2: of like another stimulant, right, or bolimya for BINGI die, Right,
Speaker 2: that's so interesting.
Speaker 4: Did like curve it in a way.
Speaker 1: It did, And but the days that I wouldn't take it,
Speaker 1: like on the weekends, it was like you know. And
Speaker 1: then and then I when like Manjarro first came out,
Speaker 1: I was like, sign me up because it quieted the
Speaker 1: noise for me in my brain. But it made me
Speaker 1: feel like shit. But I didn't even care because I
Speaker 1: was just like, but yeah.
Speaker 4: The voices, Yes, it's because.
Speaker 1: You why it made you feel like, right, No, I
Speaker 1: like still I go on and off, like I like
Speaker 1: decide like you know, like.
Speaker 3: I'll be on it.
Speaker 1: I never would go up because I'm also too anxious
Speaker 1: to go up in dosage, so I just stay on
Speaker 1: the lowest dose and it just like helps me where
Speaker 1: it's like I'm eating like a normal person instead of
Speaker 1: like obsessing over what I'm going to eat all the time.
Speaker 1: And I yes, and like I cook a lot and
Speaker 1: I eat, you know, like I'm not eating you know,
Speaker 1: crazy amounts or anything like that. But it was just
Speaker 1: like that was how for so long, that was like
Speaker 1: the barn matter of like my day was like how
Speaker 1: I what I weighed?
Speaker 3: You know, like what I looked like.
Speaker 2: It was literally you were weighing yourself.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, I was like I didn't even care.
Speaker 1: It would be like that would be how I would like,
Speaker 1: am I gonna have a good day or a bad day?
Speaker 1: Like am I do I feel fat? Or do I
Speaker 1: feel fit? It was so like and I and I've
Speaker 1: worked with the therapists now for so long and so
Speaker 1: but it's just so interesting how it just sort of
Speaker 1: like you either have that in your brain chemistry.
Speaker 2: Is like or you don't. I don't know if it's ADHD,
Speaker 2: but I do think it is like some sort of
Speaker 2: like O c D. Like I think it's just interesting
Speaker 2: the people you know, it's so similar to like you know,
Speaker 2: Jason Sober, and I do feel like it's like it
Speaker 2: is that addict mentality. I say, totally like I can't
Speaker 2: like stop eating, you can like stop drinking, but like
Speaker 2: I have to still Like imagine if you still had
Speaker 2: to like work with alcohol in your life and.
Speaker 3: Right right, like you had to like have it to survive,
Speaker 3: but just enough to like.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so tricky. It's so tricky.
Speaker 3: It's interesting because I never.
Speaker 1: I feel like it's not a conversation that people talk
Speaker 1: about a lot because like it's not really like sexy
Speaker 1: to be like, oh yeah, I make myself throw up,
Speaker 1: you know. But yeah, it's definitely. But my mom was
Speaker 1: always really really thin and just like pretty, and so
Speaker 1: I think, like.
Speaker 4: It's hard, like when you've a parent too, that's.
Speaker 1: Like yeah, and she never she was so supportive, but
Speaker 1: she was definitely like when I was your age, I
Speaker 1: was in the best shape of my life, you know,
Speaker 1: and I'd be like, oh, okay, why not, you know,
Speaker 1: but it's so But but that was definitely something that
Speaker 1: for me has been and the then also making sure
Speaker 1: I was almost like grateful, not that girls are the
Speaker 1: only ones that have this, but I was grateful that
Speaker 1: I had boys because.
Speaker 3: Oh I I was so scared like somehow, and then
Speaker 3: you realize they're listening to everything you say.
Speaker 2: You know, but I do think, you know, like my
Speaker 2: therapist Beth Becker, she's in LA she's our couple therapists,
Speaker 2: and she always says, she's like, I don't think the
Speaker 2: issues that you're aware of are the issues you give
Speaker 2: your kids. It's like we don't really realize is wrong
Speaker 2: with us yet that we're like, oh god, wait I
Speaker 2: did that to you?
Speaker 3: Like what's an example?
Speaker 2: Well, I don't know. I mean just the things that
Speaker 2: I think are totally normal right now that they're going
Speaker 2: to be like what was wrong with you? Like me
Speaker 2: writing like his like entrance essay into like you know,
Speaker 2: his private school, and I'm like, like, it doesn't it's
Speaker 2: like aas. It's like this is like it's like a
Speaker 2: writing sample for you, but you know, like just I
Speaker 2: don't know different things or what's a good one recently? Yeah,
Speaker 2: there are just like things I sometimes feel like where
Speaker 2: Sid I let him get away with things and maybe
Speaker 2: I shouldn't like he I guess, Jason, this is so bad?
Speaker 3: Should I?
Speaker 4: Can I tell this story with the iPad or the
Speaker 4: thing Jason threw?
Speaker 2: Okay, so listen. Jason had this like it was like
Speaker 2: a like a Frogger game, like a you know, Vlenza's
Speaker 2: old school. It looks like an actual video game, but
Speaker 2: oh yeah.
Speaker 3: It's like really little.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Sid lost his iPad, just kills me and has
Speaker 2: lost his iPad and so he's like sitting there on
Speaker 2: the like playing it, and Jason's like, Sid, get ready
Speaker 2: put that down and get ready. So he doesn't listen.
Speaker 2: He grabs it, he puts it on the other counter, Sid,
Speaker 2: go get ready. He turns around since looking on it again,
Speaker 2: Jason takes the frogger thing and he's like Sid and
Speaker 2: he just like throws it and it throws it across
Speaker 2: the wall and it hits a wall and like Sid
Speaker 2: just looks up and he's like, seriously you Like I
Speaker 2: wanted to be mad. My nanny told me the story first,
Speaker 2: so I was like prepared when said like came home
Speaker 2: to tell me, but like I thought, it was like,
Speaker 2: like I wanted to be mad. I did.
Speaker 3: What did Jason do?
Speaker 2: He was like, go to your room. We can't discipline them?
Speaker 2: What we can't what do we do? We can't hit them?
Speaker 2: What do we do these days? There's nothing. You can't
Speaker 2: discipline them. So they're not scared of us.
Speaker 3: I know, And literally I couldn't when.
Speaker 2: It's it's like are you mad at me? And I
Speaker 2: was like, honestly, no, it could be like he's gonna
Speaker 2: be like my mom looking totally should have like disciplined
Speaker 2: me when but if he's funny, then I like let him.
Speaker 2: Sometimes No, I know, it's hard it's hard.
Speaker 1: And is it just when don't your kids have like
Speaker 1: a hard time going to sleep or is that not still?
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's that's been like the end of me. My youngest.
Speaker 3: It takes hours and hours and hours to put him
Speaker 3: to bed.
Speaker 2: They say that we should start earlier, right, I mean,
Speaker 2: I don't know, like he's not going to like he's
Speaker 2: not ready to sleep, and I'm going to be in
Speaker 2: there longer. But they actually say, I would just read
Speaker 2: a thing about this today that if you start earlier,
Speaker 2: they're actually going to go to sleep earlier.
Speaker 1: I mean, I try, but it's also like we get
Speaker 1: home from school, dinner, like the whole thing, and then
Speaker 1: I of.
Speaker 2: Course, yeah, it is anxious. I guess it's like like
Speaker 2: if they go to bed like too late, they're gonna
Speaker 2: start freaking out like it's already too late. But right,
Speaker 2: anxious kids to bed early. I guess they feel like, oh, well,
Speaker 2: I'm I shouldn't even be in here yet, and they
Speaker 2: can kind of like the melatonin in their body sort
Speaker 2: of takes over.
Speaker 1: I think maybe he's like missing the melatonin in his
Speaker 1: body because we go in there and he will like
Speaker 1: every single thing that's happened throughout the day will then
Speaker 1: be discussed. Anything that happened at school will be discussed.
Speaker 1: And then I'll be like, you know, I'm I'm all
Speaker 1: done talking now, and he'll be like, no, but I'm
Speaker 1: still talking and I need to talk about it because
Speaker 1: I need to get my feelings out. And I'm just like, oh,
Speaker 1: it's like I can't.
Speaker 3: I cannot.
Speaker 4: It just is for my mental health.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's called a constant. I have absolutely no time.
Speaker 1: Last night, I finally put into bed, I sneak out,
Speaker 1: I come in my bed. Two seconds later, he's in
Speaker 1: my bed. I was like, what's happening? He sleeps with
Speaker 1: us almost every night? Is this your oldest my youngest?
Speaker 2: Oh, you're lucky.
Speaker 3: My seven year old every night.
Speaker 2: So like wants me to like wants to be inside
Speaker 2: my body?
Speaker 5: So do?
Speaker 1: My kids are all like that, which is like what
Speaker 1: did I do wrong? Like all the like stuff whatever?
Speaker 1: I felt like from my mom, I just like did
Speaker 1: times a thousand, you know, Like I'll be at every
Speaker 1: school pickup and I'm like, hey, you.
Speaker 4: Know, like, yeah, was your mom Like that was she there?
Speaker 2: No?
Speaker 1: I mean she was great, but like she I don't
Speaker 1: think my mom ever dropped me off or pick me
Speaker 1: up from school ever in my whole life, and every
Speaker 1: day that.
Speaker 3: I would come home, she'd be getting a massage.
Speaker 4: Stop it because she had a really bad back.
Speaker 3: Yeah. Oh my would be giving.
Speaker 1: Her a massage every single day when I would get
Speaker 1: home from school. Just during the week, like or like
Speaker 1: three days a week, she'd be getting a massage when
Speaker 1: I returned home.
Speaker 2: Oh my god, that's yeah. She was likea does that
Speaker 2: she's like over correcting, like for like because I feel
Speaker 2: like my mom wasn't really around and so Sam is
Speaker 2: also that way where she wants to be at every
Speaker 2: pickup and drop off. Yeah, I'm like that like super involved.
Speaker 3: Yeah, which I love.
Speaker 1: But I also then like then it creates like the
Speaker 1: opposite thing where I'm like, oh, I'm not picking you
Speaker 1: up today and they're like wait what do you mean?
Speaker 3: You know, and like life happens and like.
Speaker 2: And how could you do this to an innocent child?
Speaker 3: Yeah, and then you feel so much.
Speaker 1: Go my mom was around. She was so great. It's
Speaker 1: just like she was not packing our lunch.
Speaker 3: It. She just wasn't like she wasn't the mom.
Speaker 1: That you would think, like the typical mom, you know,
Speaker 1: like there would be no, Like she wasn't like in.
Speaker 3: The kitchen when I.
Speaker 1: Left for school, she was still sleeping, and I'd be
Speaker 1: like goodbye.
Speaker 2: You know what I mean.
Speaker 1: Work she did, she well, I mean she did a
Speaker 1: lot of charity work, and she was like on one
Speaker 1: of Clinton's cabinets. And she definitely like is like a
Speaker 1: very like bright, incredible smart woman.
Speaker 3: But it wasn't like.
Speaker 1: She didn't really like she was just also just like
Speaker 1: love you, Like I'm not a morning person. And I'd
Speaker 1: be like okay, you know, and like my dad would
Speaker 1: take up to errands.
Speaker 6: They're allowed to be they like totally weird, totally, and
Speaker 6: then we would have dinner every night together.
Speaker 1: She was always available, like I could always get her
Speaker 1: if I needed her, But it wasn't like she wasn't
Speaker 1: you know.
Speaker 3: It wasn't like here comes my mom.
Speaker 5: You know.
Speaker 3: One time she packed us up from school.
Speaker 1: I mean I went to Buckley and they had like
Speaker 1: this armed like an arm that comes down whatever that
Speaker 1: is called, like for breaking, and she just drove through
Speaker 1: it in her black Jaguar. Yeah it was the one
Speaker 1: time she picked me up from school. Yeah, no, she
Speaker 1: just drove through it.
Speaker 3: I was like, no, nos, to stop.
Speaker 2: It was purpose.
Speaker 3: Yeah, she was just like I don't even know if
Speaker 3: it was I don't even know what.
Speaker 1: She just drove through, yeah, last Jaguar and I was like,
Speaker 1: oh god, yeah it was crazy.
Speaker 5: That is so funny, and it's so funny now because
Speaker 5: when I think about what kind of mom I want
Speaker 5: to be, you know, there's so much of her that
Speaker 5: I take with me, that I that I do, that
Speaker 5: I love, and then there's so much that I'm just like,
Speaker 5: it's amazing that I function like as a normal even
Speaker 5: like standing like how am I?
Speaker 3: How am I like not a complete and total just
Speaker 3: fuck up?
Speaker 2: You know? Yeah, yeah, yeah, totally. I think about that
Speaker 2: all the time. I'm like, how am I even like
Speaker 2: still married? Like how do I have a normal, like
Speaker 2: functioning relationship?
Speaker 3: Does he travel for work or is he mostly in
Speaker 3: New York?
Speaker 2: Also, Jason, he's been away a lot this year in Canada,
Speaker 2: but he I mean when he is around, he's like
Speaker 2: very around, very involved. And when he's not, that's when
Speaker 2: I get like very resentful because I'm like, wait, what,
Speaker 2: I didn't marry a working actor. You're a guy who's
Speaker 2: already been missed, Like do you find it sometimes.
Speaker 1: Easier though, when like he's not around, just because then
Speaker 1: it's just like you and you're running things the way
Speaker 1: you want to run them in your home times.
Speaker 2: Yeah, of course, Like when he's gone, I'm like on it,
Speaker 2: it's everything's great. But when he comes home, then I'm
Speaker 2: right then and.
Speaker 1: You're like, wait, I've been Yeah, like like when you
Speaker 1: wake up in the.
Speaker 2: Middle of the night and like remember something from like
Speaker 2: ten years ago, and you're like, wait a minute, the
Speaker 2: fuck was that about? That's what happens when he comes home.
Speaker 2: So it takes a while. Re Entry is very hard.
Speaker 3: How did you guys meet?
Speaker 2: We did a movie together. We did this movie, My
Speaker 2: best Friend's Girl, this Kate Hudson movie, and we were
Speaker 2: we were like married nine months later. It was very
Speaker 2: fast fast. We really didn't know each other when we
Speaker 2: got weird, which again is like how did it work out?
Speaker 2: I don't know?
Speaker 3: Just And how long have you guys been together?
Speaker 2: Seventeen years in April? Oh wow, yeah, well eighteen years.
Speaker 2: We've been married seventeen years in April.
Speaker 3: Rob and I will be married sixteen years in June.
Speaker 2: Yeah, isn't it crazy?
Speaker 3: Isn't that crazy?
Speaker 2: Insane?
Speaker 1: I know, I feel like who I feel like first
Speaker 1: way too young and then that long Yeah, and I
Speaker 1: also just feel like it feels so quick, and then
Speaker 1: it also feels like forever.
Speaker 2: Yes, it's it's insane. My relationship is like almost old
Speaker 2: enough to vote, Like I know it's not okay.
Speaker 3: Do you guys go away alone together? Like, do you guys?
Speaker 3: Do you make that a priority?
Speaker 2: Yes? Well, we have to work together, so like we
Speaker 2: we are often alone together in that capacity, like la,
Speaker 2: we have to leave the kids in New York.
Speaker 4: And then yeah, prior to this year.
Speaker 2: I feel like we did go We would go away
Speaker 2: like once or twice a year, but lately, no, we
Speaker 2: have not been away together. We're rarely together at all
Speaker 2: right now, just because he's finishing this movie.
Speaker 4: So I feel like, yeah, do you guys like working together?
Speaker 3: Is that?
Speaker 2: Yeah? Like it depends on what it is, you know.
Speaker 2: Like I think we've worked together in so many different
Speaker 2: capacities where it's like either we're both in somebody else's
Speaker 2: movie and we have no scenes together, Fine, that works fine.
Speaker 2: We've been things where like I wrote it and he's
Speaker 2: acting in it. That's also great because then I'm like
Speaker 2: in control of him and can tell him to, like,
Speaker 2: you know, do it again. But then like sometimes, like
Speaker 2: we had a show in Serious Together, which was a disaster.
Speaker 2: It was like a radio show where we would just
Speaker 2: literally get into fights like every fucking episode. And yeah,
Speaker 2: I don't know, like who was listening. Maybe it was
Speaker 2: great radio, I don't know. And then this CBS show
Speaker 2: or this TVs show, it's like we kind of it's
Speaker 2: like we have to dance together because there are a
Speaker 2: lot of different components.
Speaker 3: It's dinner.
Speaker 2: I don't know if you ever saw that in the nineties,
Speaker 2: where it's like we're watching the movie and then we
Speaker 2: come back and we interview people from the movie. We're
Speaker 2: making food, we're playing games.
Speaker 4: It's just like very so fun.
Speaker 2: It's fun, but it's like a lot of moving parts, right,
Speaker 2: so when on good days like the first Trunch, we
Speaker 2: were definitely ready to fucking kill each other. And I
Speaker 2: feel like the behind the scenes were probably like the
Speaker 2: best part of that show. But then this last time,
Speaker 2: we kind of figured out our groove and and it
Speaker 2: was more more seamless. But like I always say, Jason
Speaker 2: is a child actor. He's been working since he was
Speaker 2: like five years old. He has like his his sad
Speaker 2: card is like from the eighties. So with Jason, he's
Speaker 2: just so used to like going in and doing his
Speaker 2: own thing, and so like even yesterday we were on
Speaker 2: Drew Barrymore and he's like storming down the hall like
Speaker 2: get onto set, and I was like, Jason, can you
Speaker 2: fucking wait? You're like, oh, pilot, like hello, you know.
Speaker 4: So I feel like remind him every now and then to.
Speaker 3: Like he's used to sort of just doing his own thing.
Speaker 4: Yes, completely right.
Speaker 1: And is that like do you guys feel like there's
Speaker 1: the dinner in a movie show what would be your
Speaker 1: ultimate ultimate like movie and then guest to have on it?
Speaker 2: Oh, oh my gosh.
Speaker 3: Hmmm, or what's the favorite what's the favorite one the evening?
Speaker 2: I mean I would want to do like Rocky Horror
Speaker 2: Picture Show and have like Tim Curry on. I would
Speaker 2: like love a Tim Carey moment Jason. Jason wants to
Speaker 2: do like one of the American Pies, just because he
Speaker 2: has so many funny like behind the scenes.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's like an iconic movie.
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, so like he We've talked about that, but
Speaker 2: I don't know, it's kind of it's kind of whatever
Speaker 2: they can get the rights to.
Speaker 1: Right, what has been the favorite What has been your
Speaker 1: favorite one that you guys have done together.
Speaker 2: We just did the wedding singer and we have so
Speaker 2: good Lauren and I love Christine. She's so I love
Speaker 2: her and she's I just yeah, I want to see
Speaker 2: her like work more and more. She's so funny.
Speaker 3: Yeah. Great.
Speaker 2: And then we had Beverly di'angelo.
Speaker 5: On Oh my gosh, she had Chris uh National Lampoon's Cristacation.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and that was so good. Oh my gosh. She
Speaker 3: was so amazing in the First Vacation too.
Speaker 4: And she's a trip like she is funny.
Speaker 3: That's such a cool show.
Speaker 2: Yeah, So it's like it's kind of fun. It's always
Speaker 2: like a random Sometimes it's like Michael Voltagio and we'll
Speaker 2: do like a he made this like Rocky Road ice cream,
Speaker 2: like dry ice ice cream, and still like dream about it.
Speaker 2: So there's you know, certain things about it.
Speaker 3: Where do you still do those like crazy lunches for
Speaker 3: your kids?
Speaker 2: No, because the schools they both go to, I'm not
Speaker 2: allowed to send food.
Speaker 3: Oh my god, you did like Michelin star lunch boxes.
Speaker 2: I had so much fun with it. I had so
Speaker 2: much fun with it. But you know it is like
Speaker 2: I now look back and I'm like, God, like I
Speaker 2: really can't believe all the like tools and like I got,
Speaker 2: so that was amazing.
Speaker 1: I mean my kids like barely eat a sandwich, So
Speaker 1: I'm always like do you think that you like, how.
Speaker 3: Did you do that?
Speaker 2: I think it was just like I wanted them to
Speaker 2: like be open minded about trying things. I didn't want
Speaker 2: to feed them like they were kids. I didn't want
Speaker 2: them to like eat off like like menu, and so
Speaker 2: I just kept like throwing random things in there. And
Speaker 2: it started because I got in a fight with like
Speaker 2: the German school. My kids speak German.
Speaker 4: They were at a German school, a German school.
Speaker 2: And like the teacher got mad because I sent like
Speaker 2: like a boo bun like with like instructions on how
Speaker 2: to reheat it.
Speaker 3: She was like like.
Speaker 2: Get a grip. And so then after like they complained,
Speaker 2: I just started like really needling them. And when I
Speaker 2: sent like a crab leg and then like I set
Speaker 2: like a little on new that I wanted them to
Speaker 2: eat up.
Speaker 4: You just got it. Just like really, it's amazing that
Speaker 4: they would heat it up from there.
Speaker 3: And now are they amazing eaters?
Speaker 2: Yes, yes, I mean Laslo right now, it's more like
Speaker 2: of a power struggle where he found out about pasta
Speaker 2: with butter, and I keep having to remind him that
Speaker 2: like he's Italian, like he literally has an Italian visa citizenship.
Speaker 2: He can't not eat red sauce, but Sid really eats everything. Sid.
Speaker 2: Sid is like, you know, more adventurous.
Speaker 3: I would say, ah, my kids, like I tried that.
Speaker 1: I and I love cooking, and my oldest we cooked
Speaker 1: together and he's better at it. But my two younger ones,
Speaker 1: like my youngest will eat like nothing, like he just
Speaker 1: will eat.
Speaker 3: Just carbs, and I'm like, you can't exist.
Speaker 2: You can't just like live on a bagel.
Speaker 5: No.
Speaker 1: And I saw that, like I saw like I think
Speaker 1: I sometimes like when I'm putting him to bed, Oh
Speaker 1: my god, I'd moved the thing I watched. I read
Speaker 1: the daily mail and like this you can go blind
Speaker 1: from like not getting enough nutrients, and a kid did.
Speaker 1: And now I'm like convinced that that's.
Speaker 2: Gonna be like can you get like shakes going?
Speaker 1: He doesn't like there's it's just like he's he like
Speaker 1: I mean, I've tried smoothies. It depends he'll be like
Speaker 1: really into something and then he'll like never want to
Speaker 1: see it again, like it's we like.
Speaker 3: Love it, love it, love it. I go to the market,
Speaker 3: I buy a bunch of them and then he's like,
Speaker 3: oh no, I hate that. And I'm like, wait, wait,
Speaker 3: I eat it. You know what I mean?
Speaker 2: So funny, Oh my god, I get it, though.
Speaker 3: It's too much, it's crazy funny.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, do you have like a you You
Speaker 1: and your mom are super close too.
Speaker 2: Right, Yeah? Yes, I mean she's like a good friend
Speaker 2: of mine. Yes, she's a good friend.
Speaker 3: Is she a good amma?
Speaker 2: I mean I don't know. I don't know. I'll just
Speaker 2: never forget her saying to like my little niece who
Speaker 2: was like eating a sugar pocket. This was years ago.
Speaker 2: She's like, don't eat that sugar or you're gonna get
Speaker 2: a fat ass. And I was like, I can't talk
Speaker 2: to a child that way, like me to put you
Speaker 2: in a closet. I mean, she can be just intense
Speaker 2: or but she also like kind of stoops to their level.
Speaker 2: Like still'll be like, what are you gonna do about
Speaker 2: a nana? And she's like, oh, you know, like she
Speaker 2: kind of comes at him. It's funny, like she really
Speaker 2: is a character. I'll just say that she's a character.
Speaker 3: That is.
Speaker 1: Do you feel like sometimes you're like her or do
Speaker 1: you try to sort of like do it differently or
Speaker 1: are you even aware?
Speaker 2: I think I like her in this sense that like
Speaker 2: i'd like to like, you know, like I don't like
Speaker 2: to follow rules.
Speaker 4: I can be like kind of you know, like.
Speaker 2: My kids would definitely say, like Jason's like a rule
Speaker 2: dorc and he's like, we do it this way, and
Speaker 2: I'm just like, come on, guys, we're going on this side.
Speaker 2: Everybody jump over, you know. And so I'm that's like
Speaker 2: very Peggy. Like I definitely think I have that side
Speaker 2: of Peggy. And I'm a free spirit like Peggy. But
Speaker 2: as like a mom, I think I'm a little different.
Speaker 2: I think I'm right yright. I think it's just but
Speaker 2: honestly think it's more generational thing than it is. Like
Speaker 2: I think if Peggy were born in this time, she
Speaker 2: might have felt more compelled to like stay married to
Speaker 2: one of her husbands or you know what I mean,
Speaker 2: just different things.
Speaker 3: But at that point she was just like no, I'm good.
Speaker 2: Nah, She's like, no, free love.
Speaker 3: And I do you is your sister.
Speaker 1: Do you guys all sort of have the same relationship
Speaker 1: with your mom or is it to do?
Speaker 2: I think it's different. I My sister lived with my
Speaker 2: mom longer than I did. I like moved to live
Speaker 2: with my dad for high school, so it will like
Speaker 2: eighth grade high school. So Sam and my mom are
Speaker 2: a little bit more enmeshed, I would say, But I
Speaker 2: don't know, Like I think that we both sort of
Speaker 2: like see my mom the same way, right, we just
Speaker 2: you know, have a different reaction into it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean the way that like my mom parented
Speaker 1: versus like the way that it would be now. But
Speaker 1: it's interesting because I think my mom's also like aware
Speaker 1: of it. Like she'll be like, oh God, like I
Speaker 1: she will be like, wait.
Speaker 6: You do that.
Speaker 3: She'll be like you do so much?
Speaker 1: And I'm like no, I just like I do like
Speaker 1: the things that like I have to do that I
Speaker 1: have to do.
Speaker 3: Like she'll be like, it's just so much.
Speaker 1: I'm like, yeah, that's like that's that's that's that's what
Speaker 1: it is.
Speaker 4: Yeah, yes, but yeah, totally.
Speaker 3: I'm like, wow, I'm always like what.
Speaker 2: Matt at Petty, Like she'll be like, I can't believe
Speaker 2: she said this and I'm more like, wait, say it again,
Speaker 2: let me film me. You say, that's the difference.
Speaker 3: That is so fun. I feel like we have like
Speaker 3: very we have like similar, similar, similar lives.
Speaker 4: Yes, like I think we processed from the same way.
Speaker 1: Maybe we turn to be like really funny, really vulnerable
Speaker 1: and then like.
Speaker 3: Then I'll just be like a total bitch one day.
Speaker 2: Yes, but I definitely I do. I think I struggle
Speaker 2: with the the same anxiety just because I didn't feel
Speaker 2: like that like scene or like taking care of it
Speaker 2: felt like I had to like really like be aware
Speaker 2: of everything.
Speaker 3: Like hyper vigilant.
Speaker 1: Yes, yeah, I know I had so many people watching,
Speaker 1: and yet I still didn't feel like I mean, we
Speaker 1: had like Nanny's and so many people and then my
Speaker 1: mom and then my dad, and they were both like
Speaker 1: so loving, but I never felt like they really like I.
Speaker 3: Don't know, I just was like, hello, what's happening?
Speaker 2: You know you did like see I've seen by them.
Speaker 3: I think, yeah, that's I think the part.
Speaker 1: And then I think like, like you'll go back into
Speaker 1: like you know, like I'll go to their house they
Speaker 1: live around the corner, and I like my husband be
Speaker 1: like you literally revert back to a fourteen year old
Speaker 1: when you're in that home and I'm like, I guess
Speaker 1: I do you know, so I've had to like work
Speaker 1: on that too. Yeah, my dad and I'll get into
Speaker 1: like fights, and like my kids are like what.
Speaker 3: Are you doing?
Speaker 2: Why are you yelling at yelling at you? I'm just
Speaker 2: like I don't know, like you know what I mean, like, gosh,
Speaker 2: that's so interesting.
Speaker 1: It's it's it's like at my house is like it
Speaker 1: could be like a sociological experiment.
Speaker 2: This is so funny. Did you read his books? The
Speaker 2: children's books?
Speaker 3: They do?
Speaker 1: My kids, like my youngest just like brings it in
Speaker 1: and is like my papa wrote this book, doesn't read it,
Speaker 1: doesn't care. My older one read it, like you know,
Speaker 1: and then my younger one, my middle one definitely read it.
Speaker 1: But then also it was like can I get a
Speaker 1: poster of Papa for my room? And then it's just
Speaker 1: like his way of like being like, yeah, it's just
Speaker 1: like they favorite Grandpa.
Speaker 2: That's funny. That's so funny.
Speaker 1: I hadn't actually framed and my rob came home and
Speaker 1: he was like, what what is that?
Speaker 3: And I was like, jewels wanted it. And now it's
Speaker 3: like a framed picture of the Fonds in his bedroom.
Speaker 4: That's hysterical.
Speaker 3: It's really fun.
Speaker 2: It's so funny.
Speaker 3: Yeah, well, thank you so much for doing this.
Speaker 4: You're the best, of course, thank you for having me.
Speaker 3: Yeah, this is so fun.
Speaker 4: I can't wait to hear you and your mom. I'm
Speaker 4: gonna definitely tuning in.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, well she'll be back. I hope she'll be
Speaker 3: back next week. That's my hope.
Speaker 1: I'm I'm so grateful, like, I can't wait. She's really funny.
Speaker 4: Yeah, so I'm really I'm really so jealous.
Speaker 3: Oh my god, Amber is the best. Our kids went
Speaker 3: to preschool together.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, that's how we met.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but my mom and I are going to do
Speaker 1: a body image a body image talk.
Speaker 3: Oh.
Speaker 2: I can't wait for that.
Speaker 3: It'll be really good. Yeah I love that. Thank you
Speaker 3: so much.
Speaker 2: Thank you.
Speaker 3: I'll talk to you later.
Speaker 2: Okay bye.
Speaker 1: Oh my gosh, that was so much fun. I love
Speaker 1: talking with Jenny. She's so open and honest and vulnerable
Speaker 1: and funny. And I love talking with her about body
Speaker 1: image because I think it's something that not enough people
Speaker 1: talk about. And I am so grateful that you guys listened.
Speaker 1: So please follow us at What in the Winkler Pod
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Speaker 1: and I will see you guys next week.
Speaker 3: Mm hmm