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Speaker 1: You are listening to What in the Winkler and iHeartRadio podcast.

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Speaker 1: Welcome back to another episode of What in the Winkler.

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Speaker 1: Jenny Mollin is a writer, a comedian, and New York

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Speaker 1: Times bestselling author of the essay collections I Like You

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Speaker 1: Just the Way I Am and Live Fast, Die Hot,

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Speaker 1: as well as the national best selling novel City of Likes.

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Speaker 1: Jenny mullen is also married to Jason Biggs from American

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Speaker 1: Pie Fame. She is hysterically funny and I'm told we

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Speaker 1: have a lot of things in common, so I'm really

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Speaker 1: excited to talk to her today.

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Speaker 2: Hi guys, Hi, how are you.

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Speaker 3: I'm good, How are you good?

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Speaker 2: Good to see you, Good to see you two.

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Speaker 3: Thanks for doing this, Thanks for having me. I'm so glad.

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Speaker 3: I'm really you've been.

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Speaker 4: It's been so many yours.

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Speaker 1: I mean it's been it's been so many years, and

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Speaker 1: like the last couple months feel like it's been twenty

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Speaker 1: five years.

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Speaker 2: Oh, I've bet, I bet, Oh my god, is it

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Speaker 2: crazy out there beyond?

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Speaker 3: And I know your sister, you know Sam? I do. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: we have really good friends in common. So one of

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Speaker 3: my best.

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Speaker 1: Friends, Ashley, is good friends with Sam and Sarah Hendler.

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Speaker 4: Oh funny, Okay, Yeah, that's.

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Speaker 1: Why I get to see her all the time, like

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Speaker 1: on the bar Mitzvah bought Mitzvah circuit.

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Speaker 4: Oh, I love that.

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Speaker 3: I saw that it was just her sons too.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, we just we were just out there for Luca's.

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Speaker 3: And then also we share Amber in common.

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Speaker 2: I know.

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Speaker 4: Well that's why I think you and I met was

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Speaker 4: with Amber that one day.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: I was like a huge fan. I loved your instagram

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Speaker 1: so sweet. Yeah, and I thought you were so funny.

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Speaker 1: And then Amber was like, oh, she's like one of

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Speaker 1: my closest friends. Here we go, and I was like, great,

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Speaker 1: So thank you so much for doing this. I'm really grateful.

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Speaker 2: How long have you guys been doing this show?

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Speaker 1: Well, funny you should ask. So we started in October, okay,

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Speaker 1: and it was me and my mom like a mother

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Speaker 1: doc because my mom and I are extremely close, but

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Speaker 1: she's mentally ill. So we started together just because we

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Speaker 1: are funny together and she's insane and makes me insane.

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Speaker 1: And then after two episodes, she ended up getting extremely sick.

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Speaker 1: She ended up having like sepsis basically, and so she

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Speaker 1: got to the hospital. Yeah, so then I started doing

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Speaker 1: them on my own, and she's hopefully going to come

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Speaker 1: back really soon, so I'm excited for that. But it's

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Speaker 1: been a journey, so I'm learning as i go basically,

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Speaker 1: and speaking to people.

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Speaker 3: Has been so fun.

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Speaker 1: I mean, it's just been an amazing experience and I'm

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Speaker 1: loving it. But this is like I think I've done

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Speaker 1: about like ten episodes.

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Speaker 2: Oh wow, Okay, so it's.

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Speaker 3: Really it's it's new, and it's well, it's fun. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: And so most almost all of my all of my

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Speaker 1: interviews have been with friends. Today is the first time

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Speaker 1: that I'm doing one where like I kind of know you,

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Speaker 1: but I don't really know you.

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Speaker 4: So I'm really excited.

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Speaker 2: Oh cool.

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Speaker 4: Oh yeah, and Amber's producing.

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Speaker 3: This, she sure is.

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Speaker 1: It was her idea actually to do a podcast because

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Speaker 1: I've been asked so many times to do reality TV,

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Speaker 1: and I just I would like ruin everyone's life around me.

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Speaker 1: So this was like the best, the next best thing.

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Speaker 2: Oh I love that.

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Speaker 3: Yeah that's yeah. So so yeah.

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Speaker 1: So I I was actually noticing I've followed you for years,

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Speaker 1: but I noticed that you don't show your kids on

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Speaker 1: your Instagram, and I was wondering, like, Tom, can you

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Speaker 1: tell me more about that because I'm trying. I'm trying

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Speaker 1: I not show my kids? Like what what do I do?

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Speaker 2: Well? I just never want I don't know. I mean

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Speaker 2: I think when when Laslow was a baby, I showed

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Speaker 2: Nobody can like identify him, and he's about to morph

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Speaker 2: I'm just like paranoid. I think I grew up, you know,

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Speaker 2: sell you into slavery. Like I just can't advertise my kids.

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Speaker 2: I just feel so scared, especially in New York city

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Speaker 2: where I will go to the park and be like, oh,

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Speaker 2: those are you know Melissa wood was kids or that's

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Speaker 2: if I wasn't following them on Instagram. And that really

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Speaker 2: scares me because you know, people will come up to

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Speaker 2: me sometimes be like Jenny, and I assume that I

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Speaker 2: know them. They always assume I know them. And sometimes

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Speaker 2: when it's just like, oh somebody who.

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Speaker 3: Photes you very.

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Speaker 2: Me when it's just me, but it's just gets so scary.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, no, I agree.

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Speaker 2: So that's that's why maybe if I lived in La

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Speaker 2: I wonder if I would be a different parent, because

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Speaker 2: then it's like your kids at school, they're in your car,

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Speaker 2: they're in your house.

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Speaker 5: Now.

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Speaker 3: I thought about that a ton.

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Speaker 1: And when I was growing up, my dad would never

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Speaker 1: allow us to be photographed ever, ever, ever, And he

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Speaker 1: also was afraid of kidnapping, and and so it's like,

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Speaker 1: really show them on like the you know, my public

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Speaker 1: Instagram account. But I've been like trying to figure out

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Speaker 1: mean not that I'm like a public figure anything like that.

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Speaker 2: But I was just like, but still, anyone can didn't

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Speaker 1: And my kids are super fucking cute, three redheads, you know.

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Speaker 3: But no, you know what else? I just remembered another connection.

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Speaker 1: There was this guy that I dated and he was

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Speaker 1: really good friends with Jason when he lived in La

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Speaker 1: Oh my god, and he owned his family owned a

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Speaker 2: Wait ni yes, wait stop when did you date John Honig?

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Speaker 3: I mean years ago?

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Speaker 1: I was probably a sophomore in No, no, no, I was.

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Speaker 1: I was like a freshman in college.

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Speaker 2: Oh my god.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I got married at that vineyard.

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Speaker 1: Well whatever happened to him? Like he used to live

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Speaker 1: in my neighborhood. I ran in him and I've never

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Speaker 2: I don't know where he lives now.

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Speaker 3: I remember them.

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Speaker 2: That is so funny.

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Speaker 2: How funny. That's so funny.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, so I know your husband like a little Yeah,

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Speaker 1: that is so funny. And then when I moved into

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Speaker 3: I was like, wait, what is happening. This is so crazy,

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Speaker 4: So wild though, fun money. You have to tell some

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Speaker 3: I will, I will.

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Speaker 1: I never see her except if I'm like with Sarah

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Speaker 1: Hendler or Ashley Cassen or something like that, because they

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Speaker 1: you know, basically they could live in New York City.

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Speaker 4: It's two different cliqus, right.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, Well, actually I.

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Speaker 1: I went to Hancock Park for my for the evacuation.

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Speaker 1: I stayed at Ashley's house because she was already in Pumps.

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Speaker 3: And I love it there, Like I want to live there.

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Speaker 2: Would you move over there?

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Speaker 3: No?

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Speaker 1: Never, but I love the idea. Yeah, it's just so

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Speaker 3: I mean, it's it. But does any of your family

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Speaker 1: And another funny connection is my best friend's little sister

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Speaker 2: Wait, Hallie Benedict, Yeah, I know. I mean I still

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Speaker 3: I know that house is so incredible.

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Speaker 2: I miss that house. But I did think it was

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Speaker 2: haunted when I first said Sid. That's kind of why

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Speaker 2: to me that, like Halle hasn't been like killed by

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Speaker 3: She seems like thriving.

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Speaker 2: Unsettling to me that, like the ghost seems fine with

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Speaker 2: the new family that moved in.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I guess, I guess the guys just didn't like you.

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Speaker 1: But it's funny that we have so much overlap.

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Speaker 2: Tons of overlap.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, but I I mean, but do you ever do

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Speaker 3: you come to La a lot or not that often?

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Speaker 2: You know? I was out there a bit this year

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Speaker 2: because Jason and I were shooting this show for TBS

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Speaker 2: that shoots downtown LA, and then I was doing some

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Speaker 3: Do you ever think about moving back or no?

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Speaker 2: No, I don't think I could. I don't know. I

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Speaker 2: don't know what kind of I don't. I was never

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Speaker 1: In La, right, I can't see and I cannot imagine

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Speaker 1: being a mom in New York.

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Speaker 2: Oh yeah, it's so easy.

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Speaker 3: It feels so hard.

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Speaker 4: Everything comes to me and like I can walk everywhere.

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Speaker 2: It's so I moved to New York thinking like this

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Speaker 2: and I have like a different identity. I mean, I

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Speaker 3: But like I did he get in trouble or you

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Speaker 2: Well during COVID, I was like, how could I like

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Speaker 1: Space something that I when I was like learning about you,

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Speaker 4: I love the idea of you researching me. That's like

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Speaker 1: Searching, but like I just you know, like I follow

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Speaker 1: Know, I breast had all three of my kids and

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Speaker 3: He was little, and he was like, what's wrong with

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Speaker 3: And I was like because of you? There long? Because

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Speaker 2: Know, when I was younger, I was intorect sick, and

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Speaker 4: Like, you know, I wouldn't say that you ever.

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Speaker 1: a certain way, and for so long because I was

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00:19:40,040 --> 00:19:42,399
Speaker 1: on adderall for so long, sort of like that was

447
00:19:42,480 --> 00:19:45,520
Speaker 1: I always like, that was what I mainly that was

448
00:19:45,560 --> 00:19:49,240
Speaker 1: like how I measured feeling good enough about myself was

449
00:19:49,240 --> 00:19:50,119
Speaker 1: by what I looked like.

450
00:19:50,600 --> 00:19:53,080
Speaker 2: And so were you on that you were like not

451
00:19:53,560 --> 00:19:54,200
Speaker 2: eating at all.

452
00:19:54,280 --> 00:19:55,919
Speaker 3: I mean I was on adderall, but it was like

453
00:19:55,960 --> 00:19:58,760
Speaker 3: basically I was on whatever it was. I don't even remember.

454
00:19:58,800 --> 00:20:01,320
Speaker 1: I mean I was on riddle in first, and then

455
00:20:01,359 --> 00:20:05,040
Speaker 1: you know, the adderall didn't even exist. And then I

456
00:20:05,080 --> 00:20:09,280
Speaker 1: think that when you have ADHD and you're on adderall,

457
00:20:09,480 --> 00:20:12,679
Speaker 1: it affects you much differently than when you don't have ADHD.

458
00:20:12,840 --> 00:20:15,600
Speaker 2: You're on adderall, Right, were you so stressed out? Was

459
00:20:15,680 --> 00:20:16,920
Speaker 2: that like all the time?

460
00:20:17,040 --> 00:20:20,160
Speaker 3: I was like a chain smoker. And as soon as

461
00:20:20,160 --> 00:20:20,800
Speaker 3: I went off of it.

462
00:20:20,840 --> 00:20:23,560
Speaker 1: I remember my husband we got engaged and he was like,

463
00:20:23,600 --> 00:20:25,879
Speaker 1: I don't think you're supposed to be on medicine, and

464
00:20:25,880 --> 00:20:29,560
Speaker 1: I was like, I think you are extremely judgmental and

465
00:20:29,800 --> 00:20:31,359
Speaker 1: I think you should stay in your lane. Meanwhile, he

466
00:20:31,440 --> 00:20:34,439
Speaker 1: was totally right, and I went off of adderall and

467
00:20:34,480 --> 00:20:37,080
Speaker 1: like never smoked a cigarette again, you know, unless like

468
00:20:37,119 --> 00:20:39,000
Speaker 1: I was wasted and felt like it, but you know,

469
00:20:39,200 --> 00:20:41,640
Speaker 1: just never. It was totally like I just was not

470
00:20:42,119 --> 00:20:44,160
Speaker 1: supposed to be on it. But I really had never

471
00:20:44,280 --> 00:20:46,639
Speaker 1: learned kind of like how to eat because from the

472
00:20:46,680 --> 00:20:51,080
Speaker 1: time I was twelve to twenty four, I was on adderall.

473
00:20:51,080 --> 00:20:55,480
Speaker 2: So they do actually like prescribe Vivance, which is sort

474
00:20:55,480 --> 00:21:00,800
Speaker 2: of like another stimulant, right, or bolimya for BINGI die, Right,

475
00:21:00,880 --> 00:21:02,120
Speaker 2: that's so interesting.

476
00:21:01,800 --> 00:21:03,040
Speaker 4: Did like curve it in a way.

477
00:21:03,200 --> 00:21:07,320
Speaker 1: It did, And but the days that I wouldn't take it,

478
00:21:07,359 --> 00:21:09,600
Speaker 1: like on the weekends, it was like you know. And

479
00:21:09,640 --> 00:21:12,880
Speaker 1: then and then I when like Manjarro first came out,

480
00:21:12,920 --> 00:21:16,240
Speaker 1: I was like, sign me up because it quieted the

481
00:21:16,320 --> 00:21:18,679
Speaker 1: noise for me in my brain. But it made me

482
00:21:18,720 --> 00:21:20,840
Speaker 1: feel like shit. But I didn't even care because I

483
00:21:20,880 --> 00:21:22,440
Speaker 1: was just like, but yeah.

484
00:21:22,280 --> 00:21:26,040
Speaker 4: The voices, Yes, it's because.

485
00:21:26,000 --> 00:21:28,600
Speaker 1: You why it made you feel like, right, No, I

486
00:21:28,680 --> 00:21:30,639
Speaker 1: like still I go on and off, like I like

487
00:21:30,920 --> 00:21:32,000
Speaker 1: decide like you know, like.

488
00:21:31,960 --> 00:21:32,640
Speaker 3: I'll be on it.

489
00:21:33,040 --> 00:21:35,879
Speaker 1: I never would go up because I'm also too anxious

490
00:21:35,920 --> 00:21:38,520
Speaker 1: to go up in dosage, so I just stay on

491
00:21:38,560 --> 00:21:41,360
Speaker 1: the lowest dose and it just like helps me where

492
00:21:41,359 --> 00:21:43,840
Speaker 1: it's like I'm eating like a normal person instead of

493
00:21:43,880 --> 00:21:46,680
Speaker 1: like obsessing over what I'm going to eat all the time.

494
00:21:47,600 --> 00:21:50,679
Speaker 1: And I yes, and like I cook a lot and

495
00:21:50,720 --> 00:21:53,719
Speaker 1: I eat, you know, like I'm not eating you know,

496
00:21:54,040 --> 00:21:56,320
Speaker 1: crazy amounts or anything like that. But it was just

497
00:21:56,359 --> 00:21:59,520
Speaker 1: like that was how for so long, that was like

498
00:21:59,560 --> 00:22:03,120
Speaker 1: the barn matter of like my day was like how

499
00:22:03,160 --> 00:22:04,000
Speaker 1: I what I weighed?

500
00:22:04,880 --> 00:22:06,480
Speaker 3: You know, like what I looked like.

501
00:22:07,400 --> 00:22:08,960
Speaker 2: It was literally you were weighing yourself.

502
00:22:09,040 --> 00:22:10,560
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, I was like I didn't even care.

503
00:22:10,600 --> 00:22:12,560
Speaker 1: It would be like that would be how I would like,

504
00:22:12,920 --> 00:22:14,560
Speaker 1: am I gonna have a good day or a bad day?

505
00:22:14,640 --> 00:22:16,560
Speaker 1: Like am I do I feel fat? Or do I

506
00:22:16,560 --> 00:22:19,040
Speaker 1: feel fit? It was so like and I and I've

507
00:22:19,040 --> 00:22:21,320
Speaker 1: worked with the therapists now for so long and so

508
00:22:23,000 --> 00:22:26,359
Speaker 1: but it's just so interesting how it just sort of

509
00:22:26,400 --> 00:22:30,399
Speaker 1: like you either have that in your brain chemistry.

510
00:22:30,520 --> 00:22:32,919
Speaker 2: Is like or you don't. I don't know if it's ADHD,

511
00:22:33,000 --> 00:22:35,520
Speaker 2: but I do think it is like some sort of

512
00:22:35,560 --> 00:22:38,680
Speaker 2: like O c D. Like I think it's just interesting

513
00:22:39,720 --> 00:22:42,359
Speaker 2: the people you know, it's so similar to like you know,

514
00:22:42,520 --> 00:22:44,920
Speaker 2: Jason Sober, and I do feel like it's like it

515
00:22:45,440 --> 00:22:48,600
Speaker 2: is that addict mentality. I say, totally like I can't

516
00:22:48,640 --> 00:22:50,919
Speaker 2: like stop eating, you can like stop drinking, but like

517
00:22:51,119 --> 00:22:53,320
Speaker 2: I have to still Like imagine if you still had

518
00:22:53,320 --> 00:22:55,280
Speaker 2: to like work with alcohol in your life and.

519
00:22:55,400 --> 00:22:57,840
Speaker 3: Right right, like you had to like have it to survive,

520
00:22:57,960 --> 00:22:59,320
Speaker 3: but just enough to like.

521
00:22:59,640 --> 00:23:02,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, so tricky. It's so tricky.

522
00:23:03,200 --> 00:23:04,520
Speaker 3: It's interesting because I never.

523
00:23:05,880 --> 00:23:09,600
Speaker 1: I feel like it's not a conversation that people talk

524
00:23:09,640 --> 00:23:11,959
Speaker 1: about a lot because like it's not really like sexy

525
00:23:12,000 --> 00:23:13,959
Speaker 1: to be like, oh yeah, I make myself throw up,

526
00:23:14,160 --> 00:23:18,959
Speaker 1: you know. But yeah, it's definitely. But my mom was

527
00:23:19,160 --> 00:23:22,560
Speaker 1: always really really thin and just like pretty, and so

528
00:23:22,840 --> 00:23:23,520
Speaker 1: I think, like.

529
00:23:24,840 --> 00:23:27,160
Speaker 4: It's hard, like when you've a parent too, that's.

530
00:23:26,960 --> 00:23:31,320
Speaker 1: Like yeah, and she never she was so supportive, but

531
00:23:31,400 --> 00:23:34,479
Speaker 1: she was definitely like when I was your age, I

532
00:23:34,520 --> 00:23:36,040
Speaker 1: was in the best shape of my life, you know,

533
00:23:36,040 --> 00:23:40,960
Speaker 1: and I'd be like, oh, okay, why not, you know,

534
00:23:41,200 --> 00:23:45,960
Speaker 1: but it's so But but that was definitely something that

535
00:23:46,600 --> 00:23:50,440
Speaker 1: for me has been and the then also making sure

536
00:23:50,720 --> 00:23:53,760
Speaker 1: I was almost like grateful, not that girls are the

537
00:23:53,760 --> 00:23:55,639
Speaker 1: only ones that have this, but I was grateful that

538
00:23:55,680 --> 00:23:57,120
Speaker 1: I had boys because.

539
00:23:57,320 --> 00:24:01,840
Speaker 3: Oh I I was so scared like somehow, and then

540
00:24:01,880 --> 00:24:04,120
Speaker 3: you realize they're listening to everything you say.

541
00:24:04,680 --> 00:24:06,600
Speaker 2: You know, but I do think, you know, like my

542
00:24:06,720 --> 00:24:09,960
Speaker 2: therapist Beth Becker, she's in LA she's our couple therapists,

543
00:24:10,200 --> 00:24:12,080
Speaker 2: and she always says, she's like, I don't think the

544
00:24:12,160 --> 00:24:14,400
Speaker 2: issues that you're aware of are the issues you give

545
00:24:14,400 --> 00:24:17,280
Speaker 2: your kids. It's like we don't really realize is wrong

546
00:24:17,320 --> 00:24:22,359
Speaker 2: with us yet that we're like, oh god, wait I

547
00:24:22,400 --> 00:24:23,280
Speaker 2: did that to you?

548
00:24:23,400 --> 00:24:24,400
Speaker 3: Like what's an example?

549
00:24:25,320 --> 00:24:27,040
Speaker 2: Well, I don't know. I mean just the things that

550
00:24:27,080 --> 00:24:29,399
Speaker 2: I think are totally normal right now that they're going

551
00:24:29,480 --> 00:24:32,520
Speaker 2: to be like what was wrong with you? Like me

552
00:24:32,600 --> 00:24:35,359
Speaker 2: writing like his like entrance essay into like you know,

553
00:24:35,440 --> 00:24:37,800
Speaker 2: his private school, and I'm like, like, it doesn't it's

554
00:24:37,840 --> 00:24:40,720
Speaker 2: like aas. It's like this is like it's like a

555
00:24:40,720 --> 00:24:45,240
Speaker 2: writing sample for you, but you know, like just I

556
00:24:45,280 --> 00:24:50,600
Speaker 2: don't know different things or what's a good one recently? Yeah,

557
00:24:50,840 --> 00:24:53,320
Speaker 2: there are just like things I sometimes feel like where

558
00:24:54,160 --> 00:24:57,040
Speaker 2: Sid I let him get away with things and maybe

559
00:24:57,240 --> 00:25:01,480
Speaker 2: I shouldn't like he I guess, Jason, this is so bad?

560
00:25:01,640 --> 00:25:01,960
Speaker 3: Should I?

561
00:25:02,160 --> 00:25:05,560
Speaker 4: Can I tell this story with the iPad or the

562
00:25:05,600 --> 00:25:06,320
Speaker 4: thing Jason threw?

563
00:25:06,800 --> 00:25:10,679
Speaker 2: Okay, so listen. Jason had this like it was like

564
00:25:10,720 --> 00:25:13,480
Speaker 2: a like a Frogger game, like a you know, Vlenza's

565
00:25:13,520 --> 00:25:17,119
Speaker 2: old school. It looks like an actual video game, but

566
00:25:17,160 --> 00:25:17,679
Speaker 2: oh yeah.

567
00:25:17,560 --> 00:25:18,359
Speaker 3: It's like really little.

568
00:25:18,760 --> 00:25:22,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, Sid lost his iPad, just kills me and has

569
00:25:23,240 --> 00:25:24,760
Speaker 2: lost his iPad and so he's like sitting there on

570
00:25:24,760 --> 00:25:27,000
Speaker 2: the like playing it, and Jason's like, Sid, get ready

571
00:25:27,119 --> 00:25:29,480
Speaker 2: put that down and get ready. So he doesn't listen.

572
00:25:29,640 --> 00:25:31,960
Speaker 2: He grabs it, he puts it on the other counter, Sid,

573
00:25:31,960 --> 00:25:35,600
Speaker 2: go get ready. He turns around since looking on it again,

574
00:25:36,560 --> 00:25:39,760
Speaker 2: Jason takes the frogger thing and he's like Sid and

575
00:25:39,800 --> 00:25:41,600
Speaker 2: he just like throws it and it throws it across

576
00:25:41,600 --> 00:25:43,600
Speaker 2: the wall and it hits a wall and like Sid

577
00:25:43,640 --> 00:25:49,240
Speaker 2: just looks up and he's like, seriously you Like I

578
00:25:49,359 --> 00:25:52,080
Speaker 2: wanted to be mad. My nanny told me the story first,

579
00:25:52,119 --> 00:25:53,880
Speaker 2: so I was like prepared when said like came home

580
00:25:53,920 --> 00:25:56,600
Speaker 2: to tell me, but like I thought, it was like,

581
00:25:56,600 --> 00:25:58,360
Speaker 2: like I wanted to be mad. I did.

582
00:25:58,400 --> 00:25:59,240
Speaker 3: What did Jason do?

583
00:26:00,119 --> 00:26:03,080
Speaker 2: He was like, go to your room. We can't discipline them?

584
00:26:03,080 --> 00:26:04,600
Speaker 2: What we can't what do we do? We can't hit them?

585
00:26:04,800 --> 00:26:08,080
Speaker 2: What do we do these days? There's nothing. You can't

586
00:26:08,119 --> 00:26:09,880
Speaker 2: discipline them. So they're not scared of us.

587
00:26:10,320 --> 00:26:12,960
Speaker 3: I know, And literally I couldn't when.

588
00:26:12,960 --> 00:26:14,159
Speaker 2: It's it's like are you mad at me? And I

589
00:26:14,200 --> 00:26:18,680
Speaker 2: was like, honestly, no, it could be like he's gonna

590
00:26:18,680 --> 00:26:22,520
Speaker 2: be like my mom looking totally should have like disciplined

591
00:26:22,600 --> 00:26:24,920
Speaker 2: me when but if he's funny, then I like let him.

592
00:26:25,160 --> 00:26:28,600
Speaker 2: Sometimes No, I know, it's hard it's hard.

593
00:26:28,800 --> 00:26:32,840
Speaker 1: And is it just when don't your kids have like

594
00:26:32,880 --> 00:26:35,200
Speaker 1: a hard time going to sleep or is that not still?

595
00:26:35,840 --> 00:26:39,440
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's that's been like the end of me. My youngest.

596
00:26:39,520 --> 00:26:41,919
Speaker 3: It takes hours and hours and hours to put him

597
00:26:41,960 --> 00:26:42,240
Speaker 3: to bed.

598
00:26:42,960 --> 00:26:46,040
Speaker 2: They say that we should start earlier, right, I mean,

599
00:26:46,080 --> 00:26:48,520
Speaker 2: I don't know, like he's not going to like he's

600
00:26:48,520 --> 00:26:49,960
Speaker 2: not ready to sleep, and I'm going to be in

601
00:26:49,960 --> 00:26:52,400
Speaker 2: there longer. But they actually say, I would just read

602
00:26:52,400 --> 00:26:54,520
Speaker 2: a thing about this today that if you start earlier,

603
00:26:54,800 --> 00:26:56,480
Speaker 2: they're actually going to go to sleep earlier.

604
00:26:57,000 --> 00:26:58,840
Speaker 1: I mean, I try, but it's also like we get

605
00:26:58,840 --> 00:27:01,120
Speaker 1: home from school, dinner, like the whole thing, and then

606
00:27:01,119 --> 00:27:01,439
Speaker 1: I of.

607
00:27:01,520 --> 00:27:05,000
Speaker 2: Course, yeah, it is anxious. I guess it's like like

608
00:27:05,040 --> 00:27:06,840
Speaker 2: if they go to bed like too late, they're gonna

609
00:27:06,840 --> 00:27:09,000
Speaker 2: start freaking out like it's already too late. But right,

610
00:27:09,119 --> 00:27:12,199
Speaker 2: anxious kids to bed early. I guess they feel like, oh, well,

611
00:27:12,200 --> 00:27:14,159
Speaker 2: I'm I shouldn't even be in here yet, and they

612
00:27:14,160 --> 00:27:16,760
Speaker 2: can kind of like the melatonin in their body sort

613
00:27:16,800 --> 00:27:17,320
Speaker 2: of takes over.

614
00:27:17,720 --> 00:27:20,000
Speaker 1: I think maybe he's like missing the melatonin in his

615
00:27:20,040 --> 00:27:22,760
Speaker 1: body because we go in there and he will like

616
00:27:23,040 --> 00:27:25,440
Speaker 1: every single thing that's happened throughout the day will then

617
00:27:25,480 --> 00:27:29,080
Speaker 1: be discussed. Anything that happened at school will be discussed.

618
00:27:29,520 --> 00:27:31,080
Speaker 1: And then I'll be like, you know, I'm I'm all

619
00:27:31,080 --> 00:27:33,920
Speaker 1: done talking now, and he'll be like, no, but I'm

620
00:27:33,960 --> 00:27:35,800
Speaker 1: still talking and I need to talk about it because

621
00:27:35,800 --> 00:27:38,400
Speaker 1: I need to get my feelings out. And I'm just like, oh,

622
00:27:38,760 --> 00:27:39,840
Speaker 1: it's like I can't.

623
00:27:40,000 --> 00:27:40,640
Speaker 3: I cannot.

624
00:27:40,720 --> 00:27:42,560
Speaker 4: It just is for my mental health.

625
00:27:42,720 --> 00:27:45,720
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's called a constant. I have absolutely no time.

626
00:27:46,160 --> 00:27:48,720
Speaker 1: Last night, I finally put into bed, I sneak out,

627
00:27:48,920 --> 00:27:51,320
Speaker 1: I come in my bed. Two seconds later, he's in

628
00:27:51,320 --> 00:27:54,800
Speaker 1: my bed. I was like, what's happening? He sleeps with

629
00:27:54,880 --> 00:27:58,000
Speaker 1: us almost every night? Is this your oldest my youngest?

630
00:27:58,320 --> 00:27:59,399
Speaker 2: Oh, you're lucky.

631
00:28:00,920 --> 00:28:03,040
Speaker 3: My seven year old every night.

632
00:28:03,119 --> 00:28:05,359
Speaker 2: So like wants me to like wants to be inside

633
00:28:05,359 --> 00:28:06,600
Speaker 2: my body?

634
00:28:06,680 --> 00:28:06,879
Speaker 5: So do?

635
00:28:07,160 --> 00:28:09,240
Speaker 1: My kids are all like that, which is like what

636
00:28:09,280 --> 00:28:12,680
Speaker 1: did I do wrong? Like all the like stuff whatever?

637
00:28:12,760 --> 00:28:15,640
Speaker 1: I felt like from my mom, I just like did

638
00:28:15,720 --> 00:28:17,760
Speaker 1: times a thousand, you know, Like I'll be at every

639
00:28:17,760 --> 00:28:20,120
Speaker 1: school pickup and I'm like, hey, you.

640
00:28:20,080 --> 00:28:23,040
Speaker 4: Know, like, yeah, was your mom Like that was she there?

641
00:28:23,280 --> 00:28:23,520
Speaker 2: No?

642
00:28:23,920 --> 00:28:26,160
Speaker 1: I mean she was great, but like she I don't

643
00:28:26,160 --> 00:28:27,760
Speaker 1: think my mom ever dropped me off or pick me

644
00:28:27,800 --> 00:28:29,840
Speaker 1: up from school ever in my whole life, and every

645
00:28:29,920 --> 00:28:30,159
Speaker 1: day that.

646
00:28:30,200 --> 00:28:32,200
Speaker 3: I would come home, she'd be getting a massage.

647
00:28:32,720 --> 00:28:34,879
Speaker 4: Stop it because she had a really bad back.

648
00:28:35,000 --> 00:28:37,400
Speaker 3: Yeah. Oh my would be giving.

649
00:28:37,160 --> 00:28:39,640
Speaker 1: Her a massage every single day when I would get

650
00:28:39,640 --> 00:28:41,719
Speaker 1: home from school. Just during the week, like or like

651
00:28:41,760 --> 00:28:43,520
Speaker 1: three days a week, she'd be getting a massage when

652
00:28:43,520 --> 00:28:44,200
Speaker 1: I returned home.

653
00:28:44,800 --> 00:28:48,520
Speaker 2: Oh my god, that's yeah. She was likea does that

654
00:28:48,560 --> 00:28:51,040
Speaker 2: she's like over correcting, like for like because I feel

655
00:28:51,080 --> 00:28:53,080
Speaker 2: like my mom wasn't really around and so Sam is

656
00:28:53,080 --> 00:28:55,040
Speaker 2: also that way where she wants to be at every

657
00:28:55,400 --> 00:28:59,959
Speaker 2: pickup and drop off. Yeah, I'm like that like super involved.

658
00:28:59,680 --> 00:29:01,000
Speaker 3: Yeah, which I love.

659
00:29:01,600 --> 00:29:03,840
Speaker 1: But I also then like then it creates like the

660
00:29:03,880 --> 00:29:05,680
Speaker 1: opposite thing where I'm like, oh, I'm not picking you

661
00:29:05,760 --> 00:29:07,400
Speaker 1: up today and they're like wait what do you mean?

662
00:29:07,640 --> 00:29:09,840
Speaker 3: You know, and like life happens and like.

663
00:29:10,520 --> 00:29:12,600
Speaker 2: And how could you do this to an innocent child?

664
00:29:12,880 --> 00:29:14,520
Speaker 3: Yeah, and then you feel so much.

665
00:29:14,560 --> 00:29:17,640
Speaker 1: Go my mom was around. She was so great. It's

666
00:29:17,680 --> 00:29:19,360
Speaker 1: just like she was not packing our lunch.

667
00:29:19,400 --> 00:29:22,160
Speaker 3: It. She just wasn't like she wasn't the mom.

668
00:29:21,960 --> 00:29:26,200
Speaker 1: That you would think, like the typical mom, you know,

669
00:29:26,240 --> 00:29:27,920
Speaker 1: like there would be no, Like she wasn't like in.

670
00:29:27,880 --> 00:29:29,280
Speaker 3: The kitchen when I.

671
00:29:29,360 --> 00:29:31,280
Speaker 1: Left for school, she was still sleeping, and I'd be

672
00:29:31,320 --> 00:29:31,960
Speaker 1: like goodbye.

673
00:29:32,400 --> 00:29:32,880
Speaker 2: You know what I mean.

674
00:29:33,160 --> 00:29:35,960
Speaker 1: Work she did, she well, I mean she did a

675
00:29:36,000 --> 00:29:38,840
Speaker 1: lot of charity work, and she was like on one

676
00:29:38,880 --> 00:29:42,040
Speaker 1: of Clinton's cabinets. And she definitely like is like a

677
00:29:42,160 --> 00:29:47,200
Speaker 1: very like bright, incredible smart woman.

678
00:29:47,360 --> 00:29:48,200
Speaker 3: But it wasn't like.

679
00:29:48,120 --> 00:29:50,560
Speaker 1: She didn't really like she was just also just like

680
00:29:51,080 --> 00:29:53,000
Speaker 1: love you, Like I'm not a morning person. And I'd

681
00:29:53,000 --> 00:29:56,920
Speaker 1: be like okay, you know, and like my dad would

682
00:29:56,960 --> 00:29:57,840
Speaker 1: take up to errands.

683
00:29:57,880 --> 00:30:02,000
Speaker 6: They're allowed to be they like totally weird, totally, and

684
00:30:02,040 --> 00:30:03,760
Speaker 6: then we would have dinner every night together.

685
00:30:04,160 --> 00:30:06,520
Speaker 1: She was always available, like I could always get her

686
00:30:06,560 --> 00:30:08,400
Speaker 1: if I needed her, But it wasn't like she wasn't

687
00:30:08,440 --> 00:30:08,600
Speaker 1: you know.

688
00:30:08,600 --> 00:30:10,920
Speaker 3: It wasn't like here comes my mom.

689
00:30:11,040 --> 00:30:11,200
Speaker 5: You know.

690
00:30:11,240 --> 00:30:12,800
Speaker 3: One time she packed us up from school.

691
00:30:12,920 --> 00:30:14,560
Speaker 1: I mean I went to Buckley and they had like

692
00:30:14,600 --> 00:30:19,120
Speaker 1: this armed like an arm that comes down whatever that

693
00:30:19,200 --> 00:30:21,560
Speaker 1: is called, like for breaking, and she just drove through

694
00:30:21,600 --> 00:30:23,640
Speaker 1: it in her black Jaguar. Yeah it was the one

695
00:30:23,680 --> 00:30:25,840
Speaker 1: time she picked me up from school. Yeah, no, she

696
00:30:25,960 --> 00:30:27,200
Speaker 1: just drove through it.

697
00:30:27,280 --> 00:30:28,880
Speaker 3: I was like, no, nos, to stop.

698
00:30:28,960 --> 00:30:29,960
Speaker 2: It was purpose.

699
00:30:30,520 --> 00:30:32,080
Speaker 3: Yeah, she was just like I don't even know if

700
00:30:32,080 --> 00:30:32,960
Speaker 3: it was I don't even know what.

701
00:30:33,360 --> 00:30:37,760
Speaker 1: She just drove through, yeah, last Jaguar and I was like,

702
00:30:37,920 --> 00:30:39,479
Speaker 1: oh god, yeah it was crazy.

703
00:30:39,600 --> 00:30:51,520
Speaker 5: That is so funny, and it's so funny now because

704
00:30:51,840 --> 00:30:53,880
Speaker 5: when I think about what kind of mom I want

705
00:30:53,880 --> 00:30:57,080
Speaker 5: to be, you know, there's so much of her that

706
00:30:57,240 --> 00:30:59,520
Speaker 5: I take with me, that I that I do, that

707
00:30:59,600 --> 00:31:02,200
Speaker 5: I love, and then there's so much that I'm just like,

708
00:31:02,360 --> 00:31:05,720
Speaker 5: it's amazing that I function like as a normal even

709
00:31:05,800 --> 00:31:08,880
Speaker 5: like standing like how am I?

710
00:31:08,920 --> 00:31:12,120
Speaker 3: How am I like not a complete and total just

711
00:31:12,240 --> 00:31:12,760
Speaker 3: fuck up?

712
00:31:13,000 --> 00:31:16,000
Speaker 2: You know? Yeah, yeah, yeah, totally. I think about that

713
00:31:16,040 --> 00:31:18,360
Speaker 2: all the time. I'm like, how am I even like

714
00:31:18,440 --> 00:31:20,280
Speaker 2: still married? Like how do I have a normal, like

715
00:31:20,320 --> 00:31:21,560
Speaker 2: functioning relationship?

716
00:31:23,880 --> 00:31:26,160
Speaker 3: Does he travel for work or is he mostly in

717
00:31:26,240 --> 00:31:26,600
Speaker 3: New York?

718
00:31:26,640 --> 00:31:31,760
Speaker 2: Also, Jason, he's been away a lot this year in Canada,

719
00:31:31,840 --> 00:31:35,520
Speaker 2: but he I mean when he is around, he's like

720
00:31:35,720 --> 00:31:40,320
Speaker 2: very around, very involved. And when he's not, that's when

721
00:31:40,320 --> 00:31:42,880
Speaker 2: I get like very resentful because I'm like, wait, what,

722
00:31:43,240 --> 00:31:47,480
Speaker 2: I didn't marry a working actor. You're a guy who's

723
00:31:47,480 --> 00:31:50,880
Speaker 2: already been missed, Like do you find it sometimes.

724
00:31:50,560 --> 00:31:53,280
Speaker 1: Easier though, when like he's not around, just because then

725
00:31:53,320 --> 00:31:55,200
Speaker 1: it's just like you and you're running things the way

726
00:31:55,240 --> 00:31:56,880
Speaker 1: you want to run them in your home times.

727
00:31:57,000 --> 00:32:01,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, of course, Like when he's gone, I'm like on it,

728
00:32:01,040 --> 00:32:04,240
Speaker 2: it's everything's great. But when he comes home, then I'm

729
00:32:04,320 --> 00:32:05,360
Speaker 2: right then and.

730
00:32:05,320 --> 00:32:07,560
Speaker 1: You're like, wait, I've been Yeah, like like when you

731
00:32:07,600 --> 00:32:08,000
Speaker 1: wake up in the.

732
00:32:08,000 --> 00:32:09,840
Speaker 2: Middle of the night and like remember something from like

733
00:32:09,840 --> 00:32:11,880
Speaker 2: ten years ago, and you're like, wait a minute, the

734
00:32:12,040 --> 00:32:14,880
Speaker 2: fuck was that about? That's what happens when he comes home.

735
00:32:15,800 --> 00:32:18,480
Speaker 2: So it takes a while. Re Entry is very hard.

736
00:32:18,800 --> 00:32:20,200
Speaker 3: How did you guys meet?

737
00:32:20,520 --> 00:32:24,040
Speaker 2: We did a movie together. We did this movie, My

738
00:32:24,080 --> 00:32:29,320
Speaker 2: best Friend's Girl, this Kate Hudson movie, and we were

739
00:32:29,440 --> 00:32:32,080
Speaker 2: we were like married nine months later. It was very

740
00:32:32,880 --> 00:32:35,600
Speaker 2: fast fast. We really didn't know each other when we

741
00:32:35,640 --> 00:32:37,880
Speaker 2: got weird, which again is like how did it work out?

742
00:32:37,880 --> 00:32:38,360
Speaker 2: I don't know?

743
00:32:38,520 --> 00:32:39,920
Speaker 3: Just And how long have you guys been together?

744
00:32:40,760 --> 00:32:44,840
Speaker 2: Seventeen years in April? Oh wow, yeah, well eighteen years.

745
00:32:44,840 --> 00:32:46,560
Speaker 2: We've been married seventeen years in April.

746
00:32:48,520 --> 00:32:52,520
Speaker 3: Rob and I will be married sixteen years in June.

747
00:32:52,800 --> 00:32:53,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, isn't it crazy?

748
00:32:54,080 --> 00:32:54,800
Speaker 3: Isn't that crazy?

749
00:32:55,240 --> 00:32:55,720
Speaker 2: Insane?

750
00:32:55,960 --> 00:32:57,920
Speaker 1: I know, I feel like who I feel like first

751
00:32:58,240 --> 00:33:01,440
Speaker 1: way too young and then that long Yeah, and I

752
00:33:01,560 --> 00:33:04,080
Speaker 1: also just feel like it feels so quick, and then

753
00:33:04,080 --> 00:33:06,360
Speaker 1: it also feels like forever.

754
00:33:07,240 --> 00:33:10,960
Speaker 2: Yes, it's it's insane. My relationship is like almost old

755
00:33:11,040 --> 00:33:14,120
Speaker 2: enough to vote, Like I know it's not okay.

756
00:33:14,240 --> 00:33:17,080
Speaker 3: Do you guys go away alone together? Like, do you guys?

757
00:33:17,960 --> 00:33:19,120
Speaker 3: Do you make that a priority?

758
00:33:19,960 --> 00:33:22,440
Speaker 2: Yes? Well, we have to work together, so like we

759
00:33:22,440 --> 00:33:26,040
Speaker 2: we are often alone together in that capacity, like la,

760
00:33:26,080 --> 00:33:27,560
Speaker 2: we have to leave the kids in New York.

761
00:33:29,280 --> 00:33:32,000
Speaker 4: And then yeah, prior to this year.

762
00:33:31,880 --> 00:33:33,760
Speaker 2: I feel like we did go We would go away

763
00:33:34,280 --> 00:33:38,080
Speaker 2: like once or twice a year, but lately, no, we

764
00:33:38,120 --> 00:33:40,800
Speaker 2: have not been away together. We're rarely together at all

765
00:33:40,920 --> 00:33:42,920
Speaker 2: right now, just because he's finishing this movie.

766
00:33:42,960 --> 00:33:45,720
Speaker 4: So I feel like, yeah, do you guys like working together?

767
00:33:45,840 --> 00:33:46,120
Speaker 3: Is that?

768
00:33:48,240 --> 00:33:50,480
Speaker 2: Yeah? Like it depends on what it is, you know.

769
00:33:50,640 --> 00:33:53,280
Speaker 2: Like I think we've worked together in so many different

770
00:33:53,280 --> 00:33:56,680
Speaker 2: capacities where it's like either we're both in somebody else's

771
00:33:56,720 --> 00:33:59,840
Speaker 2: movie and we have no scenes together, Fine, that works fine.

772
00:34:00,080 --> 00:34:02,240
Speaker 2: We've been things where like I wrote it and he's

773
00:34:02,320 --> 00:34:04,440
Speaker 2: acting in it. That's also great because then I'm like

774
00:34:04,480 --> 00:34:06,479
Speaker 2: in control of him and can tell him to, like,

775
00:34:06,920 --> 00:34:10,640
Speaker 2: you know, do it again. But then like sometimes, like

776
00:34:10,680 --> 00:34:13,400
Speaker 2: we had a show in Serious Together, which was a disaster.

777
00:34:13,640 --> 00:34:15,920
Speaker 2: It was like a radio show where we would just

778
00:34:16,080 --> 00:34:21,520
Speaker 2: literally get into fights like every fucking episode. And yeah,

779
00:34:21,560 --> 00:34:24,200
Speaker 2: I don't know, like who was listening. Maybe it was

780
00:34:24,280 --> 00:34:27,680
Speaker 2: great radio, I don't know. And then this CBS show

781
00:34:27,880 --> 00:34:31,319
Speaker 2: or this TVs show, it's like we kind of it's

782
00:34:31,320 --> 00:34:33,200
Speaker 2: like we have to dance together because there are a

783
00:34:33,200 --> 00:34:34,200
Speaker 2: lot of different components.

784
00:34:34,239 --> 00:34:34,800
Speaker 3: It's dinner.

785
00:34:35,480 --> 00:34:37,120
Speaker 2: I don't know if you ever saw that in the nineties,

786
00:34:37,360 --> 00:34:39,960
Speaker 2: where it's like we're watching the movie and then we

787
00:34:40,000 --> 00:34:42,040
Speaker 2: come back and we interview people from the movie. We're

788
00:34:42,080 --> 00:34:44,120
Speaker 2: making food, we're playing games.

789
00:34:44,200 --> 00:34:46,440
Speaker 4: It's just like very so fun.

790
00:34:46,920 --> 00:34:49,800
Speaker 2: It's fun, but it's like a lot of moving parts, right,

791
00:34:50,200 --> 00:34:52,759
Speaker 2: so when on good days like the first Trunch, we

792
00:34:52,760 --> 00:34:56,200
Speaker 2: were definitely ready to fucking kill each other. And I

793
00:34:56,200 --> 00:34:58,080
Speaker 2: feel like the behind the scenes were probably like the

794
00:34:58,080 --> 00:35:01,200
Speaker 2: best part of that show. But then this last time,

795
00:35:01,280 --> 00:35:03,680
Speaker 2: we kind of figured out our groove and and it

796
00:35:03,760 --> 00:35:07,480
Speaker 2: was more more seamless. But like I always say, Jason

797
00:35:07,880 --> 00:35:09,759
Speaker 2: is a child actor. He's been working since he was

798
00:35:09,840 --> 00:35:14,480
Speaker 2: like five years old. He has like his his sad

799
00:35:14,560 --> 00:35:18,759
Speaker 2: card is like from the eighties. So with Jason, he's

800
00:35:18,800 --> 00:35:20,640
Speaker 2: just so used to like going in and doing his

801
00:35:20,680 --> 00:35:22,800
Speaker 2: own thing, and so like even yesterday we were on

802
00:35:22,880 --> 00:35:25,680
Speaker 2: Drew Barrymore and he's like storming down the hall like

803
00:35:26,040 --> 00:35:27,480
Speaker 2: get onto set, and I was like, Jason, can you

804
00:35:27,560 --> 00:35:32,560
Speaker 2: fucking wait? You're like, oh, pilot, like hello, you know.

805
00:35:32,680 --> 00:35:34,680
Speaker 4: So I feel like remind him every now and then to.

806
00:35:34,719 --> 00:35:37,680
Speaker 3: Like he's used to sort of just doing his own thing.

807
00:35:38,280 --> 00:35:40,080
Speaker 4: Yes, completely right.

808
00:35:40,760 --> 00:35:44,279
Speaker 1: And is that like do you guys feel like there's

809
00:35:44,040 --> 00:35:46,160
Speaker 1: the dinner in a movie show what would be your

810
00:35:46,320 --> 00:35:49,920
Speaker 1: ultimate ultimate like movie and then guest to have on it?

811
00:35:50,120 --> 00:35:53,400
Speaker 2: Oh, oh my gosh.

812
00:35:53,120 --> 00:35:56,720
Speaker 3: Hmmm, or what's the favorite what's the favorite one the evening?

813
00:35:56,760 --> 00:35:58,319
Speaker 2: I mean I would want to do like Rocky Horror

814
00:35:58,320 --> 00:36:00,880
Speaker 2: Picture Show and have like Tim Curry on. I would

815
00:36:00,920 --> 00:36:05,759
Speaker 2: like love a Tim Carey moment Jason. Jason wants to

816
00:36:05,800 --> 00:36:07,920
Speaker 2: do like one of the American Pies, just because he

817
00:36:07,960 --> 00:36:10,240
Speaker 2: has so many funny like behind the scenes.

818
00:36:10,440 --> 00:36:12,360
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's like an iconic movie.

819
00:36:12,440 --> 00:36:15,360
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, so like he We've talked about that, but

820
00:36:17,000 --> 00:36:18,719
Speaker 2: I don't know, it's kind of it's kind of whatever

821
00:36:18,760 --> 00:36:19,719
Speaker 2: they can get the rights to.

822
00:36:20,120 --> 00:36:22,200
Speaker 1: Right, what has been the favorite What has been your

823
00:36:22,239 --> 00:36:23,680
Speaker 1: favorite one that you guys have done together.

824
00:36:24,760 --> 00:36:27,239
Speaker 2: We just did the wedding singer and we have so

825
00:36:27,280 --> 00:36:31,000
Speaker 2: good Lauren and I love Christine. She's so I love

826
00:36:31,000 --> 00:36:33,600
Speaker 2: her and she's I just yeah, I want to see

827
00:36:33,600 --> 00:36:35,400
Speaker 2: her like work more and more. She's so funny.

828
00:36:35,800 --> 00:36:36,560
Speaker 3: Yeah. Great.

829
00:36:37,239 --> 00:36:39,080
Speaker 2: And then we had Beverly di'angelo.

830
00:36:38,719 --> 00:36:43,160
Speaker 5: On Oh my gosh, she had Chris uh National Lampoon's Cristacation.

831
00:36:43,840 --> 00:36:46,799
Speaker 3: Yeah, and that was so good. Oh my gosh. She

832
00:36:46,920 --> 00:36:49,239
Speaker 3: was so amazing in the First Vacation too.

833
00:36:49,360 --> 00:36:52,440
Speaker 4: And she's a trip like she is funny.

834
00:36:52,920 --> 00:36:54,040
Speaker 3: That's such a cool show.

835
00:36:54,920 --> 00:36:57,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, So it's like it's kind of fun. It's always

836
00:36:57,040 --> 00:36:59,560
Speaker 2: like a random Sometimes it's like Michael Voltagio and we'll

837
00:36:59,560 --> 00:37:03,759
Speaker 2: do like a he made this like Rocky Road ice cream,

838
00:37:03,960 --> 00:37:07,680
Speaker 2: like dry ice ice cream, and still like dream about it.

839
00:37:07,880 --> 00:37:09,759
Speaker 2: So there's you know, certain things about it.

840
00:37:09,800 --> 00:37:12,239
Speaker 3: Where do you still do those like crazy lunches for

841
00:37:12,280 --> 00:37:12,760
Speaker 3: your kids?

842
00:37:13,080 --> 00:37:15,239
Speaker 2: No, because the schools they both go to, I'm not

843
00:37:15,280 --> 00:37:16,080
Speaker 2: allowed to send food.

844
00:37:16,320 --> 00:37:21,240
Speaker 3: Oh my god, you did like Michelin star lunch boxes.

845
00:37:21,680 --> 00:37:23,440
Speaker 2: I had so much fun with it. I had so

846
00:37:23,520 --> 00:37:25,880
Speaker 2: much fun with it. But you know it is like

847
00:37:27,120 --> 00:37:29,719
Speaker 2: I now look back and I'm like, God, like I

848
00:37:29,800 --> 00:37:33,239
Speaker 2: really can't believe all the like tools and like I got,

849
00:37:33,280 --> 00:37:34,240
Speaker 2: so that was amazing.

850
00:37:34,320 --> 00:37:36,319
Speaker 1: I mean my kids like barely eat a sandwich, So

851
00:37:36,360 --> 00:37:38,600
Speaker 1: I'm always like do you think that you like, how.

852
00:37:38,440 --> 00:37:39,040
Speaker 3: Did you do that?

853
00:37:40,000 --> 00:37:43,400
Speaker 2: I think it was just like I wanted them to

854
00:37:43,840 --> 00:37:46,000
Speaker 2: like be open minded about trying things. I didn't want

855
00:37:46,040 --> 00:37:48,400
Speaker 2: to feed them like they were kids. I didn't want

856
00:37:48,400 --> 00:37:51,080
Speaker 2: them to like eat off like like menu, and so

857
00:37:51,160 --> 00:37:53,920
Speaker 2: I just kept like throwing random things in there. And

858
00:37:54,000 --> 00:37:55,600
Speaker 2: it started because I got in a fight with like

859
00:37:55,960 --> 00:37:58,160
Speaker 2: the German school. My kids speak German.

860
00:37:58,200 --> 00:38:00,719
Speaker 4: They were at a German school, a German school.

861
00:38:00,480 --> 00:38:04,000
Speaker 2: And like the teacher got mad because I sent like

862
00:38:04,000 --> 00:38:07,239
Speaker 2: like a boo bun like with like instructions on how

863
00:38:07,239 --> 00:38:07,799
Speaker 2: to reheat it.

864
00:38:08,000 --> 00:38:08,840
Speaker 3: She was like like.

865
00:38:10,560 --> 00:38:13,480
Speaker 2: Get a grip. And so then after like they complained,

866
00:38:13,560 --> 00:38:16,719
Speaker 2: I just started like really needling them. And when I

867
00:38:16,800 --> 00:38:19,000
Speaker 2: sent like a crab leg and then like I set

868
00:38:19,000 --> 00:38:21,080
Speaker 2: like a little on new that I wanted them to

869
00:38:21,080 --> 00:38:21,520
Speaker 2: eat up.

870
00:38:22,080 --> 00:38:23,960
Speaker 4: You just got it. Just like really, it's amazing that

871
00:38:23,960 --> 00:38:25,880
Speaker 4: they would heat it up from there.

872
00:38:26,120 --> 00:38:28,080
Speaker 3: And now are they amazing eaters?

873
00:38:28,680 --> 00:38:31,239
Speaker 2: Yes, yes, I mean Laslo right now, it's more like

874
00:38:31,320 --> 00:38:34,280
Speaker 2: of a power struggle where he found out about pasta

875
00:38:34,280 --> 00:38:36,200
Speaker 2: with butter, and I keep having to remind him that

876
00:38:36,280 --> 00:38:41,200
Speaker 2: like he's Italian, like he literally has an Italian visa citizenship.

877
00:38:41,560 --> 00:38:45,680
Speaker 2: He can't not eat red sauce, but Sid really eats everything. Sid.

878
00:38:45,960 --> 00:38:48,400
Speaker 2: Sid is like, you know, more adventurous.

879
00:38:48,440 --> 00:38:51,080
Speaker 3: I would say, ah, my kids, like I tried that.

880
00:38:51,200 --> 00:38:53,720
Speaker 1: I and I love cooking, and my oldest we cooked

881
00:38:53,719 --> 00:38:57,480
Speaker 1: together and he's better at it. But my two younger ones,

882
00:38:57,560 --> 00:39:00,520
Speaker 1: like my youngest will eat like nothing, like he just

883
00:39:00,560 --> 00:39:01,160
Speaker 1: will eat.

884
00:39:01,200 --> 00:39:04,000
Speaker 3: Just carbs, and I'm like, you can't exist.

885
00:39:04,600 --> 00:39:06,360
Speaker 2: You can't just like live on a bagel.

886
00:39:06,760 --> 00:39:06,840
Speaker 5: No.

887
00:39:07,000 --> 00:39:09,120
Speaker 1: And I saw that, like I saw like I think

888
00:39:09,160 --> 00:39:11,360
Speaker 1: I sometimes like when I'm putting him to bed, Oh

889
00:39:11,440 --> 00:39:14,399
Speaker 1: my god, I'd moved the thing I watched. I read

890
00:39:14,440 --> 00:39:16,920
Speaker 1: the daily mail and like this you can go blind

891
00:39:17,000 --> 00:39:19,640
Speaker 1: from like not getting enough nutrients, and a kid did.

892
00:39:19,680 --> 00:39:21,360
Speaker 1: And now I'm like convinced that that's.

893
00:39:21,200 --> 00:39:24,319
Speaker 2: Gonna be like can you get like shakes going?

894
00:39:24,440 --> 00:39:27,400
Speaker 1: He doesn't like there's it's just like he's he like

895
00:39:27,520 --> 00:39:30,759
Speaker 1: I mean, I've tried smoothies. It depends he'll be like

896
00:39:30,920 --> 00:39:32,800
Speaker 1: really into something and then he'll like never want to

897
00:39:32,840 --> 00:39:36,600
Speaker 1: see it again, like it's we like.

898
00:39:36,640 --> 00:39:38,319
Speaker 3: Love it, love it, love it. I go to the market,

899
00:39:38,400 --> 00:39:39,640
Speaker 3: I buy a bunch of them and then he's like,

900
00:39:39,640 --> 00:39:41,359
Speaker 3: oh no, I hate that. And I'm like, wait, wait,

901
00:39:41,560 --> 00:39:42,759
Speaker 3: I eat it. You know what I mean?

902
00:39:42,920 --> 00:39:45,120
Speaker 2: So funny, Oh my god, I get it, though.

903
00:39:45,080 --> 00:39:48,000
Speaker 3: It's too much, it's crazy funny.

904
00:39:48,320 --> 00:39:50,880
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, do you have like a you You

905
00:39:50,920 --> 00:39:52,400
Speaker 1: and your mom are super close too.

906
00:39:52,360 --> 00:39:56,560
Speaker 2: Right, Yeah? Yes, I mean she's like a good friend

907
00:39:56,560 --> 00:39:58,600
Speaker 2: of mine. Yes, she's a good friend.

908
00:39:59,440 --> 00:40:00,320
Speaker 3: Is she a good amma?

909
00:40:02,120 --> 00:40:04,640
Speaker 2: I mean I don't know. I don't know. I'll just

910
00:40:04,680 --> 00:40:06,920
Speaker 2: never forget her saying to like my little niece who

911
00:40:06,960 --> 00:40:08,799
Speaker 2: was like eating a sugar pocket. This was years ago.

912
00:40:08,840 --> 00:40:10,680
Speaker 2: She's like, don't eat that sugar or you're gonna get

913
00:40:10,680 --> 00:40:13,040
Speaker 2: a fat ass. And I was like, I can't talk

914
00:40:13,120 --> 00:40:16,279
Speaker 2: to a child that way, like me to put you

915
00:40:16,320 --> 00:40:19,400
Speaker 2: in a closet. I mean, she can be just intense

916
00:40:19,800 --> 00:40:21,879
Speaker 2: or but she also like kind of stoops to their level.

917
00:40:21,960 --> 00:40:23,439
Speaker 2: Like still'll be like, what are you gonna do about

918
00:40:23,440 --> 00:40:25,480
Speaker 2: a nana? And she's like, oh, you know, like she

919
00:40:25,600 --> 00:40:28,640
Speaker 2: kind of comes at him. It's funny, like she really

920
00:40:28,760 --> 00:40:32,160
Speaker 2: is a character. I'll just say that she's a character.

921
00:40:32,760 --> 00:40:33,040
Speaker 3: That is.

922
00:40:34,160 --> 00:40:36,680
Speaker 1: Do you feel like sometimes you're like her or do

923
00:40:36,719 --> 00:40:38,560
Speaker 1: you try to sort of like do it differently or

924
00:40:38,719 --> 00:40:39,480
Speaker 1: are you even aware?

925
00:40:39,920 --> 00:40:42,520
Speaker 2: I think I like her in this sense that like

926
00:40:42,760 --> 00:40:45,600
Speaker 2: i'd like to like, you know, like I don't like

927
00:40:45,640 --> 00:40:46,640
Speaker 2: to follow rules.

928
00:40:46,800 --> 00:40:49,040
Speaker 4: I can be like kind of you know, like.

929
00:40:50,600 --> 00:40:53,080
Speaker 2: My kids would definitely say, like Jason's like a rule

930
00:40:53,120 --> 00:40:54,400
Speaker 2: dorc and he's like, we do it this way, and

931
00:40:54,400 --> 00:40:56,280
Speaker 2: I'm just like, come on, guys, we're going on this side.

932
00:40:56,480 --> 00:40:59,120
Speaker 2: Everybody jump over, you know. And so I'm that's like

933
00:40:59,239 --> 00:41:01,879
Speaker 2: very Peggy. Like I definitely think I have that side

934
00:41:01,880 --> 00:41:06,880
Speaker 2: of Peggy. And I'm a free spirit like Peggy. But

935
00:41:08,239 --> 00:41:11,840
Speaker 2: as like a mom, I think I'm a little different.

936
00:41:11,920 --> 00:41:15,200
Speaker 2: I think I'm right yright. I think it's just but

937
00:41:15,239 --> 00:41:17,960
Speaker 2: honestly think it's more generational thing than it is. Like

938
00:41:18,560 --> 00:41:20,600
Speaker 2: I think if Peggy were born in this time, she

939
00:41:20,719 --> 00:41:23,319
Speaker 2: might have felt more compelled to like stay married to

940
00:41:23,360 --> 00:41:25,080
Speaker 2: one of her husbands or you know what I mean,

941
00:41:25,160 --> 00:41:25,920
Speaker 2: just different things.

942
00:41:26,400 --> 00:41:28,040
Speaker 3: But at that point she was just like no, I'm good.

943
00:41:28,120 --> 00:41:29,800
Speaker 2: Nah, She's like, no, free love.

944
00:41:30,600 --> 00:41:32,120
Speaker 3: And I do you is your sister.

945
00:41:32,280 --> 00:41:34,520
Speaker 1: Do you guys all sort of have the same relationship

946
00:41:34,520 --> 00:41:35,759
Speaker 1: with your mom or is it to do?

947
00:41:36,560 --> 00:41:39,000
Speaker 2: I think it's different. I My sister lived with my

948
00:41:39,040 --> 00:41:41,239
Speaker 2: mom longer than I did. I like moved to live

949
00:41:41,239 --> 00:41:44,400
Speaker 2: with my dad for high school, so it will like

950
00:41:44,480 --> 00:41:47,160
Speaker 2: eighth grade high school. So Sam and my mom are

951
00:41:47,200 --> 00:41:50,680
Speaker 2: a little bit more enmeshed, I would say, But I

952
00:41:51,640 --> 00:41:55,000
Speaker 2: don't know, Like I think that we both sort of

953
00:41:55,040 --> 00:41:58,640
Speaker 2: like see my mom the same way, right, we just

954
00:41:58,719 --> 00:42:00,440
Speaker 2: you know, have a different reaction into it.

955
00:42:00,880 --> 00:42:03,080
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean the way that like my mom parented

956
00:42:03,280 --> 00:42:05,319
Speaker 1: versus like the way that it would be now. But

957
00:42:05,360 --> 00:42:07,440
Speaker 1: it's interesting because I think my mom's also like aware

958
00:42:07,480 --> 00:42:10,040
Speaker 1: of it. Like she'll be like, oh God, like I

959
00:42:10,320 --> 00:42:11,799
Speaker 1: she will be like, wait.

960
00:42:11,680 --> 00:42:12,160
Speaker 6: You do that.

961
00:42:12,239 --> 00:42:13,760
Speaker 3: She'll be like you do so much?

962
00:42:14,000 --> 00:42:15,759
Speaker 1: And I'm like no, I just like I do like

963
00:42:15,920 --> 00:42:17,880
Speaker 1: the things that like I have to do that I

964
00:42:17,920 --> 00:42:18,239
Speaker 1: have to do.

965
00:42:18,480 --> 00:42:19,920
Speaker 3: Like she'll be like, it's just so much.

966
00:42:20,040 --> 00:42:23,719
Speaker 1: I'm like, yeah, that's like that's that's that's that's what

967
00:42:23,760 --> 00:42:24,160
Speaker 1: it is.

968
00:42:24,640 --> 00:42:27,600
Speaker 4: Yeah, yes, but yeah, totally.

969
00:42:27,680 --> 00:42:29,960
Speaker 3: I'm like, wow, I'm always like what.

970
00:42:30,239 --> 00:42:32,000
Speaker 2: Matt at Petty, Like she'll be like, I can't believe

971
00:42:32,080 --> 00:42:34,520
Speaker 2: she said this and I'm more like, wait, say it again,

972
00:42:34,600 --> 00:42:38,280
Speaker 2: let me film me. You say, that's the difference.

973
00:42:39,560 --> 00:42:41,840
Speaker 3: That is so fun. I feel like we have like

974
00:42:42,040 --> 00:42:47,000
Speaker 3: very we have like similar, similar, similar lives.

975
00:42:47,800 --> 00:42:50,080
Speaker 4: Yes, like I think we processed from the same way.

976
00:42:50,120 --> 00:42:53,840
Speaker 1: Maybe we turn to be like really funny, really vulnerable

977
00:42:54,000 --> 00:42:54,600
Speaker 1: and then like.

978
00:42:54,800 --> 00:42:56,600
Speaker 3: Then I'll just be like a total bitch one day.

979
00:42:57,200 --> 00:42:59,680
Speaker 2: Yes, but I definitely I do. I think I struggle

980
00:42:59,719 --> 00:43:02,800
Speaker 2: with the the same anxiety just because I didn't feel

981
00:43:02,840 --> 00:43:05,600
Speaker 2: like that like scene or like taking care of it

982
00:43:05,600 --> 00:43:09,400
Speaker 2: felt like I had to like really like be aware

983
00:43:09,440 --> 00:43:10,160
Speaker 2: of everything.

984
00:43:09,880 --> 00:43:10,720
Speaker 3: Like hyper vigilant.

985
00:43:11,120 --> 00:43:15,960
Speaker 1: Yes, yeah, I know I had so many people watching,

986
00:43:16,120 --> 00:43:18,480
Speaker 1: and yet I still didn't feel like I mean, we

987
00:43:18,520 --> 00:43:21,840
Speaker 1: had like Nanny's and so many people and then my

988
00:43:21,920 --> 00:43:23,920
Speaker 1: mom and then my dad, and they were both like

989
00:43:24,080 --> 00:43:27,520
Speaker 1: so loving, but I never felt like they really like I.

990
00:43:27,520 --> 00:43:30,160
Speaker 3: Don't know, I just was like, hello, what's happening?

991
00:43:30,320 --> 00:43:33,279
Speaker 2: You know you did like see I've seen by them.

992
00:43:33,320 --> 00:43:34,919
Speaker 3: I think, yeah, that's I think the part.

993
00:43:35,080 --> 00:43:38,040
Speaker 1: And then I think like, like you'll go back into

994
00:43:38,120 --> 00:43:39,640
Speaker 1: like you know, like I'll go to their house they

995
00:43:39,680 --> 00:43:41,960
Speaker 1: live around the corner, and I like my husband be

996
00:43:42,000 --> 00:43:44,239
Speaker 1: like you literally revert back to a fourteen year old

997
00:43:44,239 --> 00:43:46,399
Speaker 1: when you're in that home and I'm like, I guess

998
00:43:46,480 --> 00:43:48,520
Speaker 1: I do you know, so I've had to like work

999
00:43:48,560 --> 00:43:51,439
Speaker 1: on that too. Yeah, my dad and I'll get into

1000
00:43:51,440 --> 00:43:54,000
Speaker 1: like fights, and like my kids are like what.

1001
00:43:53,920 --> 00:43:54,760
Speaker 3: Are you doing?

1002
00:43:55,120 --> 00:43:58,440
Speaker 2: Why are you yelling at yelling at you? I'm just

1003
00:43:58,480 --> 00:44:01,560
Speaker 2: like I don't know, like you know what I mean, like, gosh,

1004
00:44:01,600 --> 00:44:02,880
Speaker 2: that's so interesting.

1005
00:44:03,320 --> 00:44:06,279
Speaker 1: It's it's it's like at my house is like it

1006
00:44:06,320 --> 00:44:08,280
Speaker 1: could be like a sociological experiment.

1007
00:44:09,000 --> 00:44:11,840
Speaker 2: This is so funny. Did you read his books? The

1008
00:44:11,920 --> 00:44:12,840
Speaker 2: children's books?

1009
00:44:13,000 --> 00:44:13,479
Speaker 3: They do?

1010
00:44:13,760 --> 00:44:15,880
Speaker 1: My kids, like my youngest just like brings it in

1011
00:44:15,920 --> 00:44:18,680
Speaker 1: and is like my papa wrote this book, doesn't read it,

1012
00:44:18,719 --> 00:44:21,319
Speaker 1: doesn't care. My older one read it, like you know,

1013
00:44:21,440 --> 00:44:25,520
Speaker 1: and then my younger one, my middle one definitely read it.

1014
00:44:25,560 --> 00:44:27,040
Speaker 1: But then also it was like can I get a

1015
00:44:27,040 --> 00:44:29,400
Speaker 1: poster of Papa for my room? And then it's just

1016
00:44:29,440 --> 00:44:31,799
Speaker 1: like his way of like being like, yeah, it's just

1017
00:44:31,800 --> 00:44:33,760
Speaker 1: like they favorite Grandpa.

1018
00:44:34,840 --> 00:44:36,600
Speaker 2: That's funny. That's so funny.

1019
00:44:36,680 --> 00:44:39,799
Speaker 1: I hadn't actually framed and my rob came home and

1020
00:44:39,840 --> 00:44:41,120
Speaker 1: he was like, what what is that?

1021
00:44:41,239 --> 00:44:43,319
Speaker 3: And I was like, jewels wanted it. And now it's

1022
00:44:43,360 --> 00:44:45,880
Speaker 3: like a framed picture of the Fonds in his bedroom.

1023
00:44:46,239 --> 00:44:47,520
Speaker 4: That's hysterical.

1024
00:44:47,760 --> 00:44:48,640
Speaker 3: It's really fun.

1025
00:44:48,719 --> 00:44:49,720
Speaker 2: It's so funny.

1026
00:44:49,920 --> 00:44:52,759
Speaker 3: Yeah, well, thank you so much for doing this.

1027
00:44:52,840 --> 00:44:55,640
Speaker 4: You're the best, of course, thank you for having me.

1028
00:44:55,960 --> 00:44:57,240
Speaker 3: Yeah, this is so fun.

1029
00:44:57,640 --> 00:44:59,279
Speaker 4: I can't wait to hear you and your mom. I'm

1030
00:44:59,280 --> 00:45:00,560
Speaker 4: gonna definitely tuning in.

1031
00:45:00,760 --> 00:45:02,520
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, well she'll be back. I hope she'll be

1032
00:45:02,560 --> 00:45:03,960
Speaker 3: back next week. That's my hope.

1033
00:45:03,960 --> 00:45:08,760
Speaker 1: I'm I'm so grateful, like, I can't wait. She's really funny.

1034
00:45:08,840 --> 00:45:12,120
Speaker 4: Yeah, so I'm really I'm really so jealous.

1035
00:45:12,320 --> 00:45:14,839
Speaker 3: Oh my god, Amber is the best. Our kids went

1036
00:45:14,880 --> 00:45:15,680
Speaker 3: to preschool together.

1037
00:45:16,520 --> 00:45:17,759
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, that's how we met.

1038
00:45:18,800 --> 00:45:20,080
Speaker 1: Yeah, but my mom and I are going to do

1039
00:45:20,080 --> 00:45:23,239
Speaker 1: a body image a body image talk.

1040
00:45:23,719 --> 00:45:24,080
Speaker 3: Oh.

1041
00:45:24,120 --> 00:45:25,040
Speaker 2: I can't wait for that.

1042
00:45:25,360 --> 00:45:28,920
Speaker 3: It'll be really good. Yeah I love that. Thank you

1043
00:45:29,040 --> 00:45:29,680
Speaker 3: so much.

1044
00:45:29,920 --> 00:45:30,399
Speaker 2: Thank you.

1045
00:45:31,520 --> 00:45:32,319
Speaker 3: I'll talk to you later.

1046
00:45:33,000 --> 00:45:33,640
Speaker 2: Okay bye.

1047
00:45:34,680 --> 00:45:36,480
Speaker 1: Oh my gosh, that was so much fun. I love

1048
00:45:36,600 --> 00:45:41,440
Speaker 1: talking with Jenny. She's so open and honest and vulnerable

1049
00:45:41,680 --> 00:45:45,840
Speaker 1: and funny. And I love talking with her about body

1050
00:45:45,840 --> 00:45:48,440
Speaker 1: image because I think it's something that not enough people

1051
00:45:48,480 --> 00:45:52,800
Speaker 1: talk about. And I am so grateful that you guys listened.

1052
00:45:53,040 --> 00:45:55,839
Speaker 1: So please follow us at What in the Winkler Pod

1053
00:45:55,920 --> 00:46:00,200
Speaker 1: on Instagram. Please like and subscribe to our podcast US

1054
00:46:00,760 --> 00:46:08,439
Speaker 1: and I will see you guys next week.

1055
00:46:11,480 --> 00:46:11,879
Speaker 3: Mm hmm