1 00:00:01,639 --> 00:00:04,880 Speaker 1: Hi, I'm Kristin Davis, and I want to know Are 2 00:00:04,880 --> 00:00:11,719 Speaker 1: You a Charlotte? Welcome to Are You a Charlotte. This 3 00:00:11,760 --> 00:00:15,480 Speaker 1: is our very first podcast. It's kind of crazy, very nervous, 4 00:00:15,920 --> 00:00:19,319 Speaker 1: but we're just going to press on together. Okay. We 5 00:00:19,440 --> 00:00:22,960 Speaker 1: are doing this podcast Are You a Charlotte because we 6 00:00:23,120 --> 00:00:26,599 Speaker 1: want to look back at our wonderful show Sex and 7 00:00:26,600 --> 00:00:30,000 Speaker 1: the City and kind of relive it. I'm going to 8 00:00:30,080 --> 00:00:34,839 Speaker 1: rewatch it, but also just tell you how I remember it. 9 00:00:34,880 --> 00:00:36,760 Speaker 1: You know, what was happening in life, what it was 10 00:00:36,800 --> 00:00:39,760 Speaker 1: like filming it, all the different memories that come up 11 00:00:39,760 --> 00:00:41,800 Speaker 1: when I'm watching it. I watched the pilot last night 12 00:00:41,840 --> 00:00:46,080 Speaker 1: and wow, wow, I have so many thoughts. But also 13 00:00:46,120 --> 00:00:48,839 Speaker 1: we really want to you know, have guests on. We 14 00:00:48,920 --> 00:00:50,680 Speaker 1: want to hear from the fans. We want you guys 15 00:00:50,720 --> 00:00:53,040 Speaker 1: to write in and call in and maybe come visit. 16 00:00:53,800 --> 00:00:57,040 Speaker 1: I just want to create a community around the show 17 00:00:57,640 --> 00:01:00,520 Speaker 1: that we were Sex and the City, the movie and 18 00:01:00,640 --> 00:01:05,480 Speaker 1: just like that, our whole trajectory, and communicate with everyone 19 00:01:05,640 --> 00:01:08,360 Speaker 1: about the themes that we talked about back then and 20 00:01:08,360 --> 00:01:11,480 Speaker 1: how relevant they still are now. I want to acknowledge 21 00:01:11,680 --> 00:01:15,200 Speaker 1: all of our writers who've contributed, our creator Darren Starr 22 00:01:15,520 --> 00:01:19,800 Speaker 1: originally and Michael Patrick King currently. You know, we would 23 00:01:19,800 --> 00:01:22,640 Speaker 1: not be able to be here if they're writing and 24 00:01:22,680 --> 00:01:26,240 Speaker 1: their ideas were not so so good and brilliant and 25 00:01:27,360 --> 00:01:28,960 Speaker 1: have really stood the test of time. 26 00:01:30,280 --> 00:01:30,440 Speaker 2: You know. 27 00:01:30,480 --> 00:01:34,080 Speaker 1: When I'm Mountain Life, I run into fans and have 28 00:01:34,319 --> 00:01:37,440 Speaker 1: just the most amazing conversations, and sometimes people cry and 29 00:01:37,480 --> 00:01:39,440 Speaker 1: tell me about things in their life, or some of 30 00:01:39,440 --> 00:01:41,800 Speaker 1: those people are like, remember that time you guys, you're 31 00:01:41,840 --> 00:01:44,360 Speaker 1: on the sateline ferrier, you know whatever. It is different things, 32 00:01:44,360 --> 00:01:48,600 Speaker 1: and it's such a connecting kind of a thing with people, 33 00:01:49,120 --> 00:01:51,520 Speaker 1: and sometimes I'm in a hurry and I can't connect. 34 00:01:51,520 --> 00:01:53,440 Speaker 1: And so that's kind of part of the reason that 35 00:01:53,520 --> 00:01:57,240 Speaker 1: I felt like this podcast was the right time and 36 00:01:57,600 --> 00:02:01,000 Speaker 1: kind of the right time for me life to reflect back. 37 00:02:01,040 --> 00:02:02,559 Speaker 1: There used to be a time where I never wanted 38 00:02:02,560 --> 00:02:05,640 Speaker 1: to see the old show because I felt like I 39 00:02:05,640 --> 00:02:08,560 Speaker 1: would be living in the past because obviously it takes 40 00:02:08,560 --> 00:02:11,600 Speaker 1: me back. But I feel at this point that it's 41 00:02:11,639 --> 00:02:14,400 Speaker 1: really interesting to look back, and it has been so 42 00:02:14,639 --> 00:02:17,520 Speaker 1: long and we are luckily still playing these characters, so 43 00:02:18,800 --> 00:02:22,680 Speaker 1: super fascinating to think about how we all began and 44 00:02:22,800 --> 00:02:24,760 Speaker 1: what we were thinking then and how we have been 45 00:02:24,800 --> 00:02:28,960 Speaker 1: able to evolve. So welcome to Are You a Charlotte. 46 00:02:29,360 --> 00:02:30,800 Speaker 1: So the first thing that I was going to talk 47 00:02:30,840 --> 00:02:35,160 Speaker 1: about is like my life and how I got cast 48 00:02:35,200 --> 00:02:36,680 Speaker 1: in the show and what it was like to get 49 00:02:36,720 --> 00:02:39,800 Speaker 1: cast in the show. So I had been on Melro's Place, 50 00:02:39,840 --> 00:02:44,400 Speaker 1: which Darren also created Darren Starr and very luckily cast 51 00:02:44,480 --> 00:02:48,000 Speaker 1: me as this character Brooke Armstrong, and I was on 52 00:02:48,200 --> 00:02:50,440 Speaker 1: for a season. But a season of Melro's Place was 53 00:02:50,440 --> 00:02:53,440 Speaker 1: like thirty six episodes, which is totally insane to think 54 00:02:53,480 --> 00:02:58,919 Speaker 1: about now. And then I died, well, yes, I died 55 00:02:58,960 --> 00:03:01,120 Speaker 1: in the pool. I died to remember for a second. 56 00:03:01,400 --> 00:03:03,399 Speaker 1: So I was out of work. Basically, I was out 57 00:03:03,400 --> 00:03:06,360 Speaker 1: of work. I'd had this big, big, great job that 58 00:03:06,480 --> 00:03:09,600 Speaker 1: was fun but also very bizarre. Melor's Place was like 59 00:03:09,639 --> 00:03:14,000 Speaker 1: a you know, cult kind of a soap opera show, 60 00:03:14,720 --> 00:03:17,079 Speaker 1: a lot of people watching it. It was my first 61 00:03:17,120 --> 00:03:20,080 Speaker 1: big job. And then I went back to being kind 62 00:03:20,120 --> 00:03:22,680 Speaker 1: of an out of work actor, auditioning all the time, 63 00:03:22,760 --> 00:03:24,560 Speaker 1: all the time, all the time, trying to figure out 64 00:03:24,560 --> 00:03:27,480 Speaker 1: what I wanted to do. And I had this wonderful manager, 65 00:03:27,600 --> 00:03:29,840 Speaker 1: Dave Fleming, who's still my manager, and he said to 66 00:03:29,840 --> 00:03:32,639 Speaker 1: me one day he said, you know, I really think 67 00:03:32,639 --> 00:03:36,080 Speaker 1: that you should do comedy because you can do comedy 68 00:03:36,520 --> 00:03:40,880 Speaker 1: and not everyone can. And so you've been on a 69 00:03:40,920 --> 00:03:42,920 Speaker 1: soap and we probably are going to have to work 70 00:03:42,960 --> 00:03:46,040 Speaker 1: to get you cast in comedy. So I auditioned for, 71 00:03:46,040 --> 00:03:49,440 Speaker 1: for instance, Seinfeld. I think I auditioned, I want to say, 72 00:03:49,440 --> 00:03:51,840 Speaker 1: six times, and then finally got a guest star on 73 00:03:51,840 --> 00:03:55,280 Speaker 1: Seinfeld an incredible, amazing. Then I was had a little 74 00:03:55,320 --> 00:03:58,400 Speaker 1: part on r with Clooney, also amazing. You know, little 75 00:03:58,440 --> 00:04:00,960 Speaker 1: things that where I was just trying to you know, 76 00:04:01,000 --> 00:04:04,320 Speaker 1: you're trying to find your thing. And I got this 77 00:04:04,400 --> 00:04:06,760 Speaker 1: script from Darren and I had a little note from 78 00:04:06,800 --> 00:04:10,839 Speaker 1: it and he said, Kristin, you know, I really want 79 00:04:10,880 --> 00:04:13,200 Speaker 1: you to read this for the part of Carrie. He 80 00:04:13,240 --> 00:04:15,640 Speaker 1: didn't say, will you do the part of Carrie. I 81 00:04:15,640 --> 00:04:17,640 Speaker 1: think that's some rumor that's out there that I was 82 00:04:17,680 --> 00:04:19,640 Speaker 1: offered the part of carry No, no, No. One was 83 00:04:19,760 --> 00:04:22,040 Speaker 1: offering me any roles at this point in life. Okay, 84 00:04:22,279 --> 00:04:25,320 Speaker 1: I was reading scripts and auditioning. So he sends me 85 00:04:25,360 --> 00:04:28,000 Speaker 1: the script and he says, read this for the part 86 00:04:28,040 --> 00:04:30,640 Speaker 1: of Carrie, and I was like, okay, And Carrie is 87 00:04:30,760 --> 00:04:33,600 Speaker 1: very clearly the main part, and she is described as 88 00:04:34,040 --> 00:04:37,480 Speaker 1: having the body of Heatherlocklear with the mind of Dorothy Parker. 89 00:04:37,520 --> 00:04:40,960 Speaker 1: And I'm like, what, I can't what I can't do that? 90 00:04:41,440 --> 00:04:43,520 Speaker 1: So I'm like I was stressing, And in the pilot 91 00:04:44,080 --> 00:04:46,520 Speaker 1: she swore a lot and she smoked a lot. She 92 00:04:46,720 --> 00:04:50,679 Speaker 1: was much more like the Candace Bushnell of the time, 93 00:04:50,800 --> 00:04:53,520 Speaker 1: which Candace wrote the column that then became the book 94 00:04:53,600 --> 00:04:56,719 Speaker 1: Sex and the City that Carry is based on. So 95 00:04:57,560 --> 00:05:01,320 Speaker 1: in the pilot she was not as you see her 96 00:05:01,360 --> 00:05:04,120 Speaker 1: when Sara Jesska does eventually play her. So I thought 97 00:05:04,120 --> 00:05:07,480 Speaker 1: to myself, I can't I can't possibly pull this off. 98 00:05:07,520 --> 00:05:10,520 Speaker 1: At the time, I definitely was like, no way, But 99 00:05:11,400 --> 00:05:14,080 Speaker 1: I like this other girl, Charlotte, because Charlotte and the 100 00:05:14,120 --> 00:05:16,279 Speaker 1: pilot there was not a lot on the page, but 101 00:05:16,360 --> 00:05:17,920 Speaker 1: it was very clear that she had a different point 102 00:05:17,960 --> 00:05:21,039 Speaker 1: of view than the other girls, that she was more 103 00:05:21,080 --> 00:05:25,520 Speaker 1: focused on, you know, relationships and love, which I kind 104 00:05:25,520 --> 00:05:28,560 Speaker 1: of related to. But also I'd grown up in the 105 00:05:28,600 --> 00:05:32,080 Speaker 1: South where everyone's trying to get married, and I just 106 00:05:32,080 --> 00:05:36,200 Speaker 1: felt like she was more hopeful and less I don't 107 00:05:36,240 --> 00:05:39,600 Speaker 1: know how to put it, but she seemed more younger 108 00:05:39,920 --> 00:05:43,680 Speaker 1: in her viewpoint and open than the other characters, which 109 00:05:43,720 --> 00:05:46,560 Speaker 1: at the time I related to a lot when I 110 00:05:46,600 --> 00:05:48,440 Speaker 1: watched the pilot. I have some other thoughts, but we'll 111 00:05:48,440 --> 00:05:51,400 Speaker 1: get to that in a second. So I was like, well, Darren, Darren, 112 00:05:51,400 --> 00:05:53,400 Speaker 1: I can't, I can't possibly play that part. I think. 113 00:05:53,440 --> 00:05:55,360 Speaker 1: I called him and said, I can't, I can't play Carrie. 114 00:05:55,400 --> 00:05:58,120 Speaker 1: I don't even know what you're thinking, but I could 115 00:05:58,160 --> 00:05:59,880 Speaker 1: play this other girl. I want to play this other girl. 116 00:06:00,040 --> 00:06:02,200 Speaker 1: He was like, oh, okay, okay. You know, we have 117 00:06:02,279 --> 00:06:04,640 Speaker 1: Sir Jisca Parker and we really want her to play Carrie. 118 00:06:04,640 --> 00:06:06,760 Speaker 1: And I was like, that would be amazing. I was 119 00:06:06,800 --> 00:06:10,599 Speaker 1: a huge fan of Sarah's I'd seen ELA's story multiple times, 120 00:06:10,640 --> 00:06:12,400 Speaker 1: and she does other things too, but I just loved her. 121 00:06:12,480 --> 00:06:14,359 Speaker 1: I had seen her and Annie when I was little 122 00:06:14,360 --> 00:06:16,680 Speaker 1: and she was little, but I hadn't been aware of 123 00:06:16,720 --> 00:06:20,039 Speaker 1: her as being her at that time. But I was like, 124 00:06:20,520 --> 00:06:23,400 Speaker 1: you should make that work with Sara Jessica Parker because 125 00:06:23,400 --> 00:06:27,279 Speaker 1: she's incredible and intelligent and so fascinating and this would 126 00:06:27,279 --> 00:06:28,880 Speaker 1: be a great part for her. And she lived in 127 00:06:28,880 --> 00:06:30,839 Speaker 1: New York and she was very of New York, you know, 128 00:06:30,920 --> 00:06:32,720 Speaker 1: so I thought that would be great. So I said, no, no, 129 00:06:32,760 --> 00:06:34,800 Speaker 1: I need to play this other character. So she said, okay, 130 00:06:34,880 --> 00:06:37,320 Speaker 1: we'll bring you in for the other character. So I 131 00:06:37,400 --> 00:06:41,000 Speaker 1: go in. And I really wanted it because at that 132 00:06:41,120 --> 00:06:46,359 Speaker 1: point in time, I can't remember any shows that were 133 00:06:47,080 --> 00:06:50,360 Speaker 1: led by women and only women at that time filming, 134 00:06:50,800 --> 00:06:54,040 Speaker 1: and nothing filmed in New York except for cop shows 135 00:06:54,080 --> 00:06:56,440 Speaker 1: like Law and Order. So the idea that you would 136 00:06:56,440 --> 00:07:00,480 Speaker 1: go to Manhattan, that these four women were the the 137 00:07:00,600 --> 00:07:02,359 Speaker 1: through line of the thing. It was unclear in the 138 00:07:02,360 --> 00:07:04,479 Speaker 1: pilot exactly what would happen with the four women, but 139 00:07:04,839 --> 00:07:07,000 Speaker 1: it was clear that Carrie was the lead and that 140 00:07:07,200 --> 00:07:10,400 Speaker 1: these other women were in the mix. And the idea 141 00:07:10,440 --> 00:07:13,200 Speaker 1: that we would like walk around Manhattan in these like outfits, 142 00:07:13,240 --> 00:07:15,880 Speaker 1: you know, and go to the met you know, staircase 143 00:07:15,960 --> 00:07:18,800 Speaker 1: to record, you know, do the show, do the you 144 00:07:18,800 --> 00:07:23,440 Speaker 1: know locations whatever. It was very it was a very 145 00:07:23,440 --> 00:07:29,080 Speaker 1: glamorous idea and kind of like outside the box of 146 00:07:29,120 --> 00:07:31,880 Speaker 1: what was currently happening in nineteen ninety seven, which is 147 00:07:31,920 --> 00:07:34,000 Speaker 1: the year that we filmed the pilot. So I really 148 00:07:34,000 --> 00:07:37,960 Speaker 1: wanted it. So I go to test at the HBO 149 00:07:38,000 --> 00:07:41,840 Speaker 1: building over here in Century City and in la and 150 00:07:41,880 --> 00:07:43,880 Speaker 1: they were seeing people in New York seeing people in 151 00:07:44,000 --> 00:07:46,160 Speaker 1: la There was a lot of people in the mix. 152 00:07:46,200 --> 00:07:48,600 Speaker 1: You'd hear like, oh, they want a comedian to play Miranda. 153 00:07:48,640 --> 00:07:50,440 Speaker 1: Oh they wanted this, Oh they wanted that. You'd hear 154 00:07:50,480 --> 00:07:53,440 Speaker 1: all these different things, but everybody wanted these parts, and 155 00:07:53,560 --> 00:07:56,480 Speaker 1: so I go. I think I just went directly to test. 156 00:07:56,520 --> 00:07:59,720 Speaker 1: I don't remember going in before that. And this is 157 00:07:59,760 --> 00:08:02,440 Speaker 1: back in the olden days where we had fax machines 158 00:08:03,000 --> 00:08:06,760 Speaker 1: and we went to test on the day, and you 159 00:08:06,840 --> 00:08:09,960 Speaker 1: had this You had to have a pilot deal, which 160 00:08:10,040 --> 00:08:14,120 Speaker 1: was this really lengthy, like seven year contract, which was 161 00:08:14,160 --> 00:08:17,280 Speaker 1: how television worked at the time, and it would have 162 00:08:17,440 --> 00:08:20,560 Speaker 1: like you would be in this many episodes each season 163 00:08:20,680 --> 00:08:22,720 Speaker 1: for this year, but they had to have seven years 164 00:08:22,720 --> 00:08:27,000 Speaker 1: of your commitment, which was a lot. And their fax 165 00:08:27,080 --> 00:08:30,600 Speaker 1: machine at the office had broken, so they wouldn't let 166 00:08:30,680 --> 00:08:34,160 Speaker 1: anyone read for the part without signing the final contract 167 00:08:34,360 --> 00:08:36,920 Speaker 1: that were being sent by all of our lawyers. So 168 00:08:37,559 --> 00:08:40,360 Speaker 1: I was there. Willie Garson was there, and I knew 169 00:08:40,400 --> 00:08:43,920 Speaker 1: Willy already. I had met Willy in Vancouver probably the 170 00:08:44,000 --> 00:08:47,640 Speaker 1: year before, and I loved him so much, so thank 171 00:08:47,720 --> 00:08:50,160 Speaker 1: god he was there, because I do wait for hours 172 00:08:50,440 --> 00:08:52,400 Speaker 1: before I could go in and read. Darren was there, 173 00:08:52,400 --> 00:08:55,520 Speaker 1: but he was inside reading with whoever got their contract first. Right, 174 00:08:55,640 --> 00:08:57,880 Speaker 1: So I'm sitting on a counter at this point, and 175 00:08:57,960 --> 00:09:00,200 Speaker 1: Willy is sitting up there with me. Were there for 176 00:09:00,240 --> 00:09:03,320 Speaker 1: so long that like, I'd be nervous, and then I'd 177 00:09:03,360 --> 00:09:05,120 Speaker 1: get unnervous, and then Willie would tell me a funny 178 00:09:05,120 --> 00:09:06,920 Speaker 1: story made me laugh. I'd be unnervous, and then I'd 179 00:09:06,880 --> 00:09:08,800 Speaker 1: get nervous again. Darren would come out, and Darren looked 180 00:09:08,840 --> 00:09:11,719 Speaker 1: very stressed. And I think the backstory for Darren is 181 00:09:11,760 --> 00:09:16,280 Speaker 1: that he had had a big deal at Fox because 182 00:09:16,320 --> 00:09:18,720 Speaker 1: of nine o two and Oho and Melrose, and he 183 00:09:18,760 --> 00:09:21,960 Speaker 1: really wanted to change up what he was doing. He 184 00:09:22,000 --> 00:09:25,360 Speaker 1: wanted to take more risks, he wanted to film in Manhattan. 185 00:09:25,840 --> 00:09:29,560 Speaker 1: So he had gone with HBO for less money because 186 00:09:29,559 --> 00:09:31,679 Speaker 1: he felt like he'd have more freedom, which he absolutely did. 187 00:09:31,679 --> 00:09:36,040 Speaker 1: Because at that time the networks were very specific and 188 00:09:36,160 --> 00:09:40,640 Speaker 1: safe and advertiser driven, and cable was brand new. So 189 00:09:41,640 --> 00:09:45,120 Speaker 1: HBO had only had a show. I think they had 190 00:09:45,200 --> 00:09:49,720 Speaker 1: had dream On, which was an odd show where every 191 00:09:49,760 --> 00:09:52,640 Speaker 1: episode some woman took her top off, and then they 192 00:09:52,640 --> 00:09:54,880 Speaker 1: had had the Larry Sanders show, which I had also 193 00:09:54,880 --> 00:09:57,560 Speaker 1: guest starred on, which was incredible, but that was it. 194 00:09:57,720 --> 00:10:00,200 Speaker 1: So there's no sopranos. There's nothing else on HB You 195 00:10:00,800 --> 00:10:02,680 Speaker 1: and HBO was like, we're going to try this. We 196 00:10:02,760 --> 00:10:06,480 Speaker 1: don't know, we're not a real network. So we're in 197 00:10:06,520 --> 00:10:08,760 Speaker 1: the testing, you know office. We're in the office of 198 00:10:08,880 --> 00:10:13,360 Speaker 1: HBO and Darren's nervously coming in and out. Willie's like 199 00:10:13,480 --> 00:10:16,320 Speaker 1: making me laugh, making it so much better. But it 200 00:10:16,360 --> 00:10:19,160 Speaker 1: goes on. I might have waited five hours, I can't remember. 201 00:10:19,200 --> 00:10:21,560 Speaker 1: It was very long, and I was I was pretty 202 00:10:21,559 --> 00:10:24,160 Speaker 1: nervous because I really really wanted the part of Charlotte. 203 00:10:24,200 --> 00:10:26,480 Speaker 1: So I go in, I read that, I go back out. 204 00:10:26,480 --> 00:10:28,520 Speaker 1: This is how testing worked, and you have to wait 205 00:10:28,640 --> 00:10:30,040 Speaker 1: and then they're going to come back out and give 206 00:10:30,040 --> 00:10:32,080 Speaker 1: you notes or tell you to go home or whatever. 207 00:10:32,120 --> 00:10:35,400 Speaker 1: It's like very stressful, and will he's just like, oh 208 00:10:35,440 --> 00:10:37,559 Speaker 1: my god, I've had it. You know, he's so funny. 209 00:10:37,840 --> 00:10:41,040 Speaker 1: So Darren comes out. I had gone in, I had read, 210 00:10:41,080 --> 00:10:43,120 Speaker 1: I had come back out. You know, Charlotte doesn't have 211 00:10:43,120 --> 00:10:44,679 Speaker 1: a lot in the pilot, so I had done the 212 00:10:45,000 --> 00:10:49,200 Speaker 1: best with what I had and it wasn't like jokes 213 00:10:49,320 --> 00:10:53,200 Speaker 1: or like funny funny. It was, you know, more it 214 00:10:53,240 --> 00:10:54,640 Speaker 1: was the scenes with the guy, so it was more 215 00:10:54,760 --> 00:10:57,840 Speaker 1: relationship whatever stuff. So he comes out and he's like, Kristen, 216 00:10:58,240 --> 00:10:59,880 Speaker 1: you've got to be funnier. You've got to be funnier. 217 00:10:59,880 --> 00:11:01,840 Speaker 1: And he's waving his hands like this, and I'm like, oh, god, 218 00:11:01,960 --> 00:11:04,200 Speaker 1: is super nervous. I was like, okay, I've got. 219 00:11:04,160 --> 00:11:04,640 Speaker 2: To be funnier. 220 00:11:04,640 --> 00:11:06,080 Speaker 1: Oh my god, what am I gott to do? So 221 00:11:06,120 --> 00:11:07,240 Speaker 1: I was like, welly, what am I going to do? 222 00:11:07,400 --> 00:11:09,000 Speaker 1: He was like, oh, you know, just make it bigger, 223 00:11:09,000 --> 00:11:10,920 Speaker 1: make it bigger. And I was like okay, okay. So 224 00:11:10,960 --> 00:11:13,200 Speaker 1: I go back in and I think there were three people, 225 00:11:13,360 --> 00:11:16,200 Speaker 1: like that's how small HBO was. It was Chris Albreck, 226 00:11:16,240 --> 00:11:18,600 Speaker 1: the head of HBO, Carolyn Strauss, who was the head 227 00:11:18,600 --> 00:11:21,200 Speaker 1: of original programming, and I think Michael Hill, who was 228 00:11:21,240 --> 00:11:24,280 Speaker 1: like the executive in charge of the new shows. I 229 00:11:24,320 --> 00:11:28,400 Speaker 1: guess I think that, and maybe are casting people Billy Hopkins, 230 00:11:28,480 --> 00:11:31,600 Speaker 1: Orkerry Barton. Not hardly anyone there. So I go back 231 00:11:31,640 --> 00:11:34,199 Speaker 1: in and I remember Chris standing up and Chris was 232 00:11:34,240 --> 00:11:37,000 Speaker 1: wearing like a complete riding outfit, like with tall boots 233 00:11:37,000 --> 00:11:39,040 Speaker 1: and whatever. And I was like, this is so fascinating, 234 00:11:39,360 --> 00:11:41,720 Speaker 1: and he was like, you know, can you you know, 235 00:11:41,840 --> 00:11:45,840 Speaker 1: make her, you know, more funny, and I was like, okay, 236 00:11:46,320 --> 00:11:49,320 Speaker 1: I'll try. So I really tried to make that funny, 237 00:11:49,360 --> 00:11:51,360 Speaker 1: but I think it was the scene on the met 238 00:11:51,760 --> 00:11:55,880 Speaker 1: staircase which wasn't funny. But anyway, whatever, I did my best. 239 00:11:55,920 --> 00:11:58,120 Speaker 1: And I was like, oh, please God, let this work, Please, 240 00:11:58,240 --> 00:12:01,440 Speaker 1: let this work. So believe. And the way that the 241 00:12:01,440 --> 00:12:03,760 Speaker 1: contract was was you would test and then I think 242 00:12:03,800 --> 00:12:06,440 Speaker 1: they had two weeks to tell you. Oh, the longest 243 00:12:06,440 --> 00:12:09,320 Speaker 1: two weeks of my life. Like they waited and waited. 244 00:12:09,360 --> 00:12:11,280 Speaker 1: Every day. I'd call my people, did you hear anything? 245 00:12:11,320 --> 00:12:14,360 Speaker 1: Did you hear anything? They're like non or anything, Oh 246 00:12:14,400 --> 00:12:16,520 Speaker 1: my god, Jesus God, wor they don't do it. So 247 00:12:17,080 --> 00:12:19,679 Speaker 1: at the final day, you know, it was like, you know, 248 00:12:19,760 --> 00:12:21,640 Speaker 1: the time is ticking and I was like, I'm just 249 00:12:21,880 --> 00:12:23,120 Speaker 1: I'm going to go to the movies. So I went 250 00:12:23,160 --> 00:12:25,120 Speaker 1: to a Brad Pitt movie, I remember it, and I 251 00:12:25,360 --> 00:12:28,760 Speaker 1: like ran to the car afterwards, called on like my 252 00:12:29,160 --> 00:12:32,040 Speaker 1: ancient cell phone and they were like, yes you got. 253 00:12:32,120 --> 00:12:34,880 Speaker 1: I was like, oh thank god. So I was super 254 00:12:34,880 --> 00:12:37,880 Speaker 1: excited but like really nervous, and then I don't remember 255 00:12:38,040 --> 00:12:42,400 Speaker 1: anything in between there except getting to Manhattan. I had 256 00:12:42,480 --> 00:12:45,120 Speaker 1: lived in New York before I'd gone to Rutgers in 257 00:12:45,160 --> 00:12:49,080 Speaker 1: New Jersey. I had gone all over Manhattan, and this 258 00:12:49,120 --> 00:12:51,120 Speaker 1: is when I get to watching the pilot. I watched 259 00:12:51,160 --> 00:12:53,920 Speaker 1: the pilot and I was like, first of all, I 260 00:12:53,960 --> 00:12:56,560 Speaker 1: seem like I'm twenty five years old, and second of all, 261 00:12:56,640 --> 00:12:59,240 Speaker 1: I seem like I've literally never been to Manhattan, like 262 00:12:59,400 --> 00:13:03,200 Speaker 1: everyone else is so much more sophisticated than me. And 263 00:13:03,280 --> 00:13:07,760 Speaker 1: I don't know. I don't know if it's like the 264 00:13:07,960 --> 00:13:11,880 Speaker 1: Charlotte element. I remember, Okay, so I had long hair 265 00:13:12,200 --> 00:13:15,920 Speaker 1: previous to getting there for this, you know, hair like 266 00:13:16,040 --> 00:13:18,080 Speaker 1: kind of like how it is right now. I get there. 267 00:13:19,080 --> 00:13:20,920 Speaker 1: One of the first things they say to me is 268 00:13:21,160 --> 00:13:23,719 Speaker 1: that they want me to cut my hair. And I'm like, why, well, 269 00:13:23,760 --> 00:13:26,080 Speaker 1: I do want me to cut my hair because to me, 270 00:13:28,040 --> 00:13:29,880 Speaker 1: I didn't feel like all the New York ladies had 271 00:13:29,920 --> 00:13:31,960 Speaker 1: their haircut or whatever. But they were like, we want 272 00:13:32,000 --> 00:13:34,880 Speaker 1: you to look like Jill Hennessy, who's on Law and Order. 273 00:13:35,160 --> 00:13:38,240 Speaker 1: And I was like, well, but Jill Hennessy is like 274 00:13:38,800 --> 00:13:42,800 Speaker 1: really tall and extremely beautiful and she's got there's long neck, 275 00:13:42,920 --> 00:13:44,920 Speaker 1: and how am I ever going to look like Jill Hennessy. 276 00:13:45,080 --> 00:13:46,520 Speaker 1: And also my hair is wavy. I was like, if 277 00:13:46,559 --> 00:13:48,600 Speaker 1: you cut my hair like she had like a short 278 00:13:48,640 --> 00:13:51,400 Speaker 1: bob at this time, right, I'm just gonna have like 279 00:13:51,440 --> 00:13:53,800 Speaker 1: a poof, I'm gonna be like a poodle. So the 280 00:13:53,840 --> 00:13:58,880 Speaker 1: hair guy on the pilot really sweet guy, very much 281 00:13:58,960 --> 00:14:03,360 Speaker 1: like a like a regular journeyman hairdresser on TV shows, right, 282 00:14:03,880 --> 00:14:05,920 Speaker 1: and he's like, you've got to get your haircut, and 283 00:14:05,960 --> 00:14:08,280 Speaker 1: if you don't get your haircut, I'm going to cut 284 00:14:08,320 --> 00:14:10,360 Speaker 1: it for you on your first day of work. And 285 00:14:10,400 --> 00:14:14,760 Speaker 1: I'm like what. So I get in a panic. And 286 00:14:14,880 --> 00:14:17,560 Speaker 1: at this point I don't really know Sarah Jessica well 287 00:14:17,679 --> 00:14:19,600 Speaker 1: enough right to go to her, Like now, I know 288 00:14:19,680 --> 00:14:22,400 Speaker 1: I should have gone to her asap, okay, but I 289 00:14:22,400 --> 00:14:24,560 Speaker 1: didn't know. I didn't know yet. And I also probably 290 00:14:24,600 --> 00:14:26,480 Speaker 1: should have gone to Darren. I don't know if Darren 291 00:14:26,560 --> 00:14:28,560 Speaker 1: was aware they were trying to chop my hair off, 292 00:14:28,600 --> 00:14:31,200 Speaker 1: but I was like, oh god, oh god. So I 293 00:14:31,280 --> 00:14:34,360 Speaker 1: go to like this salon on Madison Avenue and they 294 00:14:34,400 --> 00:14:36,080 Speaker 1: had a booklet that you had to go through and 295 00:14:36,120 --> 00:14:38,480 Speaker 1: like pick out like a haircut. So I was like, 296 00:14:38,520 --> 00:14:41,520 Speaker 1: I guess this one. So I picked that weird haircut 297 00:14:41,560 --> 00:14:43,480 Speaker 1: that I have. It's like here, it's like a very 298 00:14:43,480 --> 00:14:46,000 Speaker 1: halfway haircut. But I was so scared that that guy 299 00:14:46,120 --> 00:14:48,200 Speaker 1: was going to cut my hair in the trailer at work, 300 00:14:48,240 --> 00:14:51,880 Speaker 1: which seemed really like not a good idea. So I 301 00:14:51,920 --> 00:14:54,440 Speaker 1: get this haircut and then I remember Sarah Juska being like, 302 00:14:55,480 --> 00:14:57,760 Speaker 1: what happened to your hair? And I was like, that 303 00:14:57,920 --> 00:15:00,760 Speaker 1: dude made me cut it. She was like what, And 304 00:15:00,800 --> 00:15:03,400 Speaker 1: then I realized, like, this is who I need to 305 00:15:03,440 --> 00:15:06,800 Speaker 1: talk to about things. Then I get there, he doesn't 306 00:15:06,880 --> 00:15:09,840 Speaker 1: like my haircut and he wants me to put this 307 00:15:10,280 --> 00:15:13,880 Speaker 1: massive velvet scrunchy on the back of my head. It's 308 00:15:13,960 --> 00:15:17,040 Speaker 1: literally like as big as my face. And I'm like, oh, 309 00:15:17,200 --> 00:15:20,680 Speaker 1: sarataisica no, because at that point I realized that you 310 00:15:20,760 --> 00:15:22,760 Speaker 1: need to run things by her. She's going to help you. 311 00:15:23,160 --> 00:15:25,560 Speaker 1: So I'm like, he wants to put this scrunch She 312 00:15:25,680 --> 00:15:31,200 Speaker 1: was like, no, no scrunchies, no banana clips. We're in Manhattan, 313 00:15:31,400 --> 00:15:34,600 Speaker 1: and I'm like, okay, thank god. Right, So I've got 314 00:15:34,640 --> 00:15:39,040 Speaker 1: that strange little like flip in that oof that first 315 00:15:39,040 --> 00:15:41,400 Speaker 1: scene where I'm talking to camera. Oh gosh, it's not good. 316 00:15:41,440 --> 00:15:43,160 Speaker 1: It's not good. And then, thank goodness, they put my 317 00:15:43,200 --> 00:15:45,000 Speaker 1: hair up. I think for the rest of it, at 318 00:15:45,080 --> 00:15:46,560 Speaker 1: least for the date they put my hair up. I 319 00:15:46,560 --> 00:15:50,120 Speaker 1: can't remember for the Chinese restaurant, but I mean, oh, 320 00:15:50,360 --> 00:15:52,800 Speaker 1: that was stressful. So after that I grew my hair out, 321 00:15:52,960 --> 00:15:55,440 Speaker 1: you know, thank goodness. And I think at that point 322 00:15:55,480 --> 00:15:57,160 Speaker 1: and this is the other I mean, I don't even 323 00:15:57,160 --> 00:16:00,840 Speaker 1: know when I should get into the rewatching, but rewatch 324 00:16:01,320 --> 00:16:04,640 Speaker 1: I say that I live at Fourth and Bank. When 325 00:16:04,680 --> 00:16:06,760 Speaker 1: did Charlotte ever live at Fourth and Bank. I'm like, 326 00:16:06,840 --> 00:16:09,520 Speaker 1: oh my god, I'm in the village. I was in 327 00:16:09,560 --> 00:16:11,880 Speaker 1: the village and I didn't even know it, and that's 328 00:16:11,920 --> 00:16:14,720 Speaker 1: like a dream address. I'm like, maybe they asked Kristin 329 00:16:14,800 --> 00:16:16,760 Speaker 1: where she'd like to live, and I would have said 330 00:16:16,800 --> 00:16:19,960 Speaker 1: Fourth and Bank, but I had no idea Charlotte's uper 331 00:16:19,960 --> 00:16:21,920 Speaker 1: east Side, upper west Side. I was upper west side, 332 00:16:21,960 --> 00:16:23,360 Speaker 1: that it was up eastside. But I mean, it's all 333 00:16:23,480 --> 00:16:25,960 Speaker 1: very interesting. But the main thing I want to say 334 00:16:26,000 --> 00:16:28,680 Speaker 1: from that is that we didn't know what we were 335 00:16:28,800 --> 00:16:29,520 Speaker 1: in a way, do you. 336 00:16:29,520 --> 00:16:29,960 Speaker 2: Know what I mean? 337 00:16:30,040 --> 00:16:34,160 Speaker 1: Like it seems now kind of like we did, and 338 00:16:34,240 --> 00:16:39,240 Speaker 1: I think Sarah Jessica did, but I didn't know at 339 00:16:39,240 --> 00:16:40,120 Speaker 1: all what we were. 340 00:16:40,240 --> 00:16:40,440 Speaker 2: You know. 341 00:16:40,560 --> 00:16:43,920 Speaker 1: I remember thinking like, I've got to walk around and 342 00:16:44,120 --> 00:16:46,120 Speaker 1: look at the women and try to figure out, like 343 00:16:46,160 --> 00:16:49,080 Speaker 1: who these characters are. And I also knew that Charlotte 344 00:16:49,080 --> 00:16:56,480 Speaker 1: in the book Sex Andicity wasn't really she wasn't prominently featured, 345 00:16:56,520 --> 00:16:59,640 Speaker 1: and she wasn't like a through line. And later on 346 00:16:59,720 --> 00:17:02,160 Speaker 1: I thought that she was based on different people. So 347 00:17:02,400 --> 00:17:06,040 Speaker 1: Kendis had kind of compiled different stories of different friends 348 00:17:06,040 --> 00:17:08,560 Speaker 1: of hers into one person, which is why when you 349 00:17:08,600 --> 00:17:10,440 Speaker 1: read the book, you're like, in the book, I think 350 00:17:10,520 --> 00:17:14,520 Speaker 1: Charlotte takes psychedelics and goes roller skating, like what you 351 00:17:14,520 --> 00:17:17,359 Speaker 1: know what I'm saying. So I remember just being like, huh, 352 00:17:17,400 --> 00:17:21,600 Speaker 1: that's really interesting. But I was just trying to navigate. 353 00:17:21,960 --> 00:17:24,240 Speaker 1: And I'm wearing that short skirt when you first see me. 354 00:17:24,640 --> 00:17:27,840 Speaker 1: What on earth? I mean, that's definitely a Melrose place, 355 00:17:28,040 --> 00:17:32,080 Speaker 1: you know, That's what we wore predominantly. But I'm just like, oh, 356 00:17:32,119 --> 00:17:35,439 Speaker 1: oh my god. But it was ninety seven also, so anyway, 357 00:17:35,480 --> 00:17:39,280 Speaker 1: and we didn't have pat Field yet. So many things 358 00:17:39,320 --> 00:17:42,040 Speaker 1: I remember, so many things. I remember meeting Cynthia. I 359 00:17:42,080 --> 00:17:44,240 Speaker 1: had seen Cynthia when she was doing two plays on 360 00:17:44,280 --> 00:17:46,879 Speaker 1: Broadway across the street from each other, and I had 361 00:17:46,920 --> 00:17:48,560 Speaker 1: read an article about her than the New York Times 362 00:17:48,560 --> 00:17:52,960 Speaker 1: and thought, like, this woman, Oh wow, she's got the life. 363 00:17:53,000 --> 00:17:55,359 Speaker 1: You know, she's incredible, and she was so good in 364 00:17:55,400 --> 00:17:57,439 Speaker 1: these two plays, the Real Thing and her liberally like 365 00:17:57,520 --> 00:18:01,520 Speaker 1: incredible actress. So I was very kind of like starstruck 366 00:18:01,560 --> 00:18:05,840 Speaker 1: in a way. And Sin had a baby Sam at 367 00:18:05,840 --> 00:18:08,040 Speaker 1: the time, and I was like, aren't you nervous. I 368 00:18:08,040 --> 00:18:10,159 Speaker 1: remember she had like a little picture of Sam on 369 00:18:10,520 --> 00:18:12,920 Speaker 1: her notebook. I said, aren't you nervous to go to work? 370 00:18:12,920 --> 00:18:15,200 Speaker 1: And she was like no. And I was like, this 371 00:18:15,240 --> 00:18:19,159 Speaker 1: woman's cool, so cool and fascinating. Right, She's like no, 372 00:18:19,359 --> 00:18:21,800 Speaker 1: what do you mean. I'm like, okay, all right, all right, 373 00:18:22,560 --> 00:18:24,920 Speaker 1: So it's fascinating. And I remember meeting Kim. I think 374 00:18:24,960 --> 00:18:28,000 Speaker 1: I met Kim in Vancouver. There's like one hotel when 375 00:18:28,040 --> 00:18:30,119 Speaker 1: you work in Vancouver all the actors stay in. But 376 00:18:30,160 --> 00:18:31,720 Speaker 1: I hadn't really talked to her, and then we were 377 00:18:31,720 --> 00:18:33,399 Speaker 1: in an elevator because I think we were staying in 378 00:18:33,440 --> 00:18:36,320 Speaker 1: the same hotel. I think remember being in an elevator 379 00:18:36,359 --> 00:18:39,080 Speaker 1: with her and talking about Jazz. I mean, it was 380 00:18:39,119 --> 00:18:42,320 Speaker 1: so long ago, so long ago, but I mostly remember 381 00:18:42,400 --> 00:18:46,360 Speaker 1: in terms of all of us being together, would be 382 00:18:46,520 --> 00:18:48,720 Speaker 1: the scene in the pilot when we're in the Chinese 383 00:18:48,720 --> 00:18:51,359 Speaker 1: restaurant that I guess is Miranda's birthday, which is also funny. 384 00:18:51,400 --> 00:18:54,480 Speaker 1: I didn't remember that. That was really the only time 385 00:18:54,480 --> 00:18:56,840 Speaker 1: in the pilot that worked together in the way that 386 00:18:57,200 --> 00:18:59,720 Speaker 1: we come to be together obviously as part of the show. 387 00:19:00,040 --> 00:19:04,240 Speaker 1: And I remember that day super well. I was super 388 00:19:04,280 --> 00:19:06,800 Speaker 1: excited to get to work with everyone. And I remember 389 00:19:06,800 --> 00:19:10,440 Speaker 1: Sarah Jessica called me to a trailer. She's like, come 390 00:19:10,480 --> 00:19:13,120 Speaker 1: come with me, and she had this huge thing of 391 00:19:13,960 --> 00:19:16,280 Speaker 1: Krispy Kreme donuts. And I grew up in South Carolina, 392 00:19:16,320 --> 00:19:18,960 Speaker 1: where cream are from, and I was like, first of all, 393 00:19:19,000 --> 00:19:22,480 Speaker 1: how is this tiny, tiny little actress eating Krispy Cream donuts? 394 00:19:22,520 --> 00:19:24,960 Speaker 1: And second of all, hallelujah because none of that was 395 00:19:24,960 --> 00:19:26,920 Speaker 1: having at Melo's place right. I was like, we're gonna 396 00:19:26,920 --> 00:19:29,159 Speaker 1: eat donuts, Oh my god. And we chatted and she 397 00:19:29,280 --> 00:19:32,000 Speaker 1: was asked me questions about myself and she's just so 398 00:19:32,040 --> 00:19:36,119 Speaker 1: incredibly sweet. And then we went into the scene and 399 00:19:36,200 --> 00:19:39,280 Speaker 1: it was really you know, we've got the you know, 400 00:19:39,440 --> 00:19:42,840 Speaker 1: drag queens and the crazy Chinese things, and it was 401 00:19:42,920 --> 00:19:45,840 Speaker 1: like so many people, and it was so different from 402 00:19:45,960 --> 00:19:49,639 Speaker 1: anything in the Melrose world and really fun and exciting. 403 00:19:50,240 --> 00:19:54,240 Speaker 1: And at that point that's when I remember the talking 404 00:19:54,240 --> 00:19:57,199 Speaker 1: to the camera thing. So I don't know if you 405 00:19:57,240 --> 00:20:00,119 Speaker 1: all remember we used to talk to the camera. That 406 00:20:00,200 --> 00:20:02,399 Speaker 1: was like a part of the pilot that was, you know, 407 00:20:02,520 --> 00:20:06,040 Speaker 1: really interesting and very different, and it was just on 408 00:20:06,119 --> 00:20:09,640 Speaker 1: the page. So I don't remember as a person thinking 409 00:20:09,720 --> 00:20:11,720 Speaker 1: like should this be here? Should this not be here? 410 00:20:11,840 --> 00:20:14,520 Speaker 1: I just remember it being very hard to do, like 411 00:20:14,560 --> 00:20:17,840 Speaker 1: when I had to be like, you know, these men 412 00:20:17,880 --> 00:20:20,439 Speaker 1: are threatened by successful women and so you just have 413 00:20:20,520 --> 00:20:22,800 Speaker 1: to be quiet and play the game or something I say, 414 00:20:22,880 --> 00:20:25,720 Speaker 1: like so hysterical, but like the fact that you would 415 00:20:25,760 --> 00:20:28,239 Speaker 1: actually look in the camera was so weird for an actor, right, 416 00:20:28,320 --> 00:20:30,040 Speaker 1: like you were like, am I on a commercial? What 417 00:20:30,080 --> 00:20:32,639 Speaker 1: am I doing? What am I doing? And I feel 418 00:20:32,720 --> 00:20:36,760 Speaker 1: to some extent that what I remember about the Chinese 419 00:20:36,800 --> 00:20:41,080 Speaker 1: restaurant scene was Sara Jessica talking to Darren about it 420 00:20:41,600 --> 00:20:46,640 Speaker 1: because there was some kind of debate about how much 421 00:20:46,680 --> 00:20:49,640 Speaker 1: should she talk to the camera or in what way 422 00:20:49,680 --> 00:20:51,520 Speaker 1: should she talk to the camera, especially if we were 423 00:20:51,560 --> 00:20:53,359 Speaker 1: in a group scene, Like in what way would she 424 00:20:53,480 --> 00:20:55,879 Speaker 1: turn and just start talking to the camera like it 425 00:20:55,960 --> 00:20:58,480 Speaker 1: was strange to break the fourth wall in that way, 426 00:20:58,520 --> 00:21:01,000 Speaker 1: and she seemed to feel at the time, I remember, 427 00:21:01,520 --> 00:21:05,000 Speaker 1: not super comfortable with it. And I remember watching her 428 00:21:05,160 --> 00:21:07,720 Speaker 1: talking to Darren about it and thinking like, this woman 429 00:21:08,000 --> 00:21:13,840 Speaker 1: is so strong in herself and knows herself so well 430 00:21:14,160 --> 00:21:17,119 Speaker 1: and is talking to him in such a great way 431 00:21:17,200 --> 00:21:20,640 Speaker 1: of like an equal footing in terms of the creative process. 432 00:21:20,640 --> 00:21:23,040 Speaker 1: And I hadn't really seen that. I had. I hadn't 433 00:21:23,080 --> 00:21:26,280 Speaker 1: really been around that. I mean maybe in theater I had, 434 00:21:26,359 --> 00:21:30,840 Speaker 1: but not in television up to that point. And she 435 00:21:30,920 --> 00:21:34,440 Speaker 1: really was really just trying to navigate her own way 436 00:21:34,480 --> 00:21:36,440 Speaker 1: to make it organic, because it's a really odd thing, 437 00:21:36,480 --> 00:21:38,639 Speaker 1: like you're in a scene, you're doing your regular acting, 438 00:21:38,880 --> 00:21:40,320 Speaker 1: and then you have to turn and be like blah 439 00:21:40,320 --> 00:21:42,920 Speaker 1: blah blah blah blah. It was a strange, strange thing, 440 00:21:43,280 --> 00:21:45,080 Speaker 1: and I knew at the time that she was uncomfortable. 441 00:21:45,119 --> 00:21:47,919 Speaker 1: So when I was going to do this podcast, you know, 442 00:21:48,040 --> 00:21:51,080 Speaker 1: I have obviously talked to everyone about it in our 443 00:21:51,119 --> 00:21:53,480 Speaker 1: world and they have given their blessing, and I said 444 00:21:53,480 --> 00:21:54,720 Speaker 1: to you, I just want to check in with you 445 00:21:54,760 --> 00:21:57,159 Speaker 1: about the talking to the camera because I remember that 446 00:21:57,240 --> 00:21:59,879 Speaker 1: day at the Chinese restaurant, and I remember you and 447 00:22:00,080 --> 00:22:02,520 Speaker 1: Darren kind of negotiating how it would go or how much. 448 00:22:02,880 --> 00:22:06,120 Speaker 1: And she reminded me of a couple things that I 449 00:22:06,160 --> 00:22:09,440 Speaker 1: would never have remembered. One is that she felt really 450 00:22:09,520 --> 00:22:12,520 Speaker 1: uncomfortable about it because she felt like, it's really hard 451 00:22:12,560 --> 00:22:15,800 Speaker 1: to do It's hard to make it organic because you 452 00:22:15,840 --> 00:22:18,360 Speaker 1: are in a scene. And also this what I hadn't remembered. 453 00:22:18,720 --> 00:22:21,119 Speaker 1: Matthew Brodrick, her husband, had done it in Ferris Bueller 454 00:22:21,440 --> 00:22:23,960 Speaker 1: and Ferris Bueller's Day Off, in case you haven't seen it, 455 00:22:24,000 --> 00:22:29,359 Speaker 1: is a huge classic film that was, you know, a 456 00:22:29,400 --> 00:22:33,119 Speaker 1: touchstone for all of us as we were growing up, 457 00:22:33,160 --> 00:22:36,440 Speaker 1: like it was a formative kind of a viewing experience. 458 00:22:36,720 --> 00:22:39,880 Speaker 1: So for Sarah, she felt like, well, Matthew did this 459 00:22:40,040 --> 00:22:43,440 Speaker 1: so brilliantly, how am I going to live up to that? Which, 460 00:22:43,560 --> 00:22:46,240 Speaker 1: of course I would never remember that, and probably no 461 00:22:46,320 --> 00:22:49,040 Speaker 1: viewer would remember that, But it makes perfect sense when 462 00:22:49,040 --> 00:22:50,880 Speaker 1: you think about it, because that was an inherent part 463 00:22:50,880 --> 00:22:53,199 Speaker 1: of Ferris Bueller's Day Off, right that you're kind of 464 00:22:53,240 --> 00:22:56,560 Speaker 1: with the Farris character going through it all and he's 465 00:22:56,600 --> 00:22:58,600 Speaker 1: just talking to you in this kind of like kind 466 00:22:58,600 --> 00:23:01,720 Speaker 1: of smart, alec adorable, charming, Matthew way, And I think 467 00:23:01,880 --> 00:23:05,119 Speaker 1: Sarah felt like that was too hard to do for 468 00:23:05,160 --> 00:23:07,880 Speaker 1: an entire show, you know, And it's a good point. 469 00:23:07,920 --> 00:23:09,720 Speaker 1: It's a lot. It's a lot of her talking to 470 00:23:09,760 --> 00:23:11,520 Speaker 1: the camera. I only had to do it a tiny bit, 471 00:23:11,560 --> 00:23:14,119 Speaker 1: and I remember being very hard. So that was really 472 00:23:14,119 --> 00:23:16,400 Speaker 1: interesting for me to think about. But then the other thing, 473 00:23:17,080 --> 00:23:18,560 Speaker 1: I don't even know if I should get into this 474 00:23:18,600 --> 00:23:20,640 Speaker 1: get or whatever, but like all the other people talking 475 00:23:20,680 --> 00:23:22,200 Speaker 1: to the camera and the fact that you don't even 476 00:23:22,240 --> 00:23:24,520 Speaker 1: see the rest of us for so long, I'd forgotten 477 00:23:24,560 --> 00:23:27,600 Speaker 1: all these things until I rewatched it. And then also 478 00:23:27,840 --> 00:23:30,280 Speaker 1: Sarah Winter, who's kind of our guest star, and her 479 00:23:30,520 --> 00:23:33,400 Speaker 1: her storyline is so fascinating, and then we never find 480 00:23:33,440 --> 00:23:36,000 Speaker 1: out what happens. I'm like, what happened to that character? 481 00:23:36,440 --> 00:23:39,720 Speaker 1: She just gone? She got ghosted by this guy? Oh? No, 482 00:23:40,359 --> 00:23:43,000 Speaker 1: where is she? Is she? Okay? Why don't we ever 483 00:23:43,080 --> 00:23:45,720 Speaker 1: talk about her anymore? Like it's super fascinating, you know, 484 00:23:46,000 --> 00:23:47,800 Speaker 1: I've forgotten all that we're gonna talk to Sarah. I 485 00:23:47,800 --> 00:24:02,320 Speaker 1: know what, I haven't seen the pilot and probably I 486 00:24:02,359 --> 00:24:05,600 Speaker 1: mean at least twenty years maybe more, because I was 487 00:24:05,720 --> 00:24:09,760 Speaker 1: never a fan of the pilot. I was like, I 488 00:24:09,800 --> 00:24:14,720 Speaker 1: don't know about the pilot. I knew in my gut 489 00:24:14,440 --> 00:24:19,040 Speaker 1: that the show was like a living, breathing thing that 490 00:24:19,080 --> 00:24:21,000 Speaker 1: we should do and that I should be on it 491 00:24:21,080 --> 00:24:24,040 Speaker 1: as well as everyone else, but I didn't When I 492 00:24:24,040 --> 00:24:27,000 Speaker 1: saw the pilot, I was like, I don't know in 493 00:24:27,119 --> 00:24:30,240 Speaker 1: terms of a pilot, right, because back then we were 494 00:24:30,240 --> 00:24:34,639 Speaker 1: in like more networking television. It was a different vibe. 495 00:24:35,400 --> 00:24:37,919 Speaker 1: And when you see our show, it is also a 496 00:24:37,920 --> 00:24:41,199 Speaker 1: different vibe, like it's kind of rough, Like when they 497 00:24:41,200 --> 00:24:42,840 Speaker 1: go to Chaos, which I'm not in that scene, and 498 00:24:42,840 --> 00:24:44,440 Speaker 1: everyone always asks me about cast and I'm like, I 499 00:24:44,440 --> 00:24:47,480 Speaker 1: don't remember casts. That's because I wasn't there. Chaos is 500 00:24:47,520 --> 00:24:51,919 Speaker 1: a mess. You're like, what what's happening here? Like did 501 00:24:51,960 --> 00:24:54,880 Speaker 1: they just take a camera in there and film people? 502 00:24:54,960 --> 00:24:55,080 Speaker 2: Like? 503 00:24:55,119 --> 00:24:59,240 Speaker 1: It's messy and interesting. I mean, very very different from 504 00:24:59,240 --> 00:25:02,360 Speaker 1: network TV. Very different. I guess part of my response 505 00:25:02,400 --> 00:25:07,359 Speaker 1: to the pilot back then was that it didn't seem polished, 506 00:25:07,640 --> 00:25:12,040 Speaker 1: It didn't seem smooth. It seemed kind of choppy and hectic. 507 00:25:12,320 --> 00:25:14,760 Speaker 1: But I also feel my personal theory on pilots in 508 00:25:14,760 --> 00:25:17,240 Speaker 1: general is that if they're too good. If the pilot 509 00:25:17,359 --> 00:25:21,359 Speaker 1: is too formed, the show might not be good. Like 510 00:25:21,400 --> 00:25:25,080 Speaker 1: what you want in a pilot is like a like 511 00:25:25,160 --> 00:25:29,320 Speaker 1: a spark, like a something like a fissure, like an energy, 512 00:25:30,080 --> 00:25:33,320 Speaker 1: and then the show can run on that and you 513 00:25:33,400 --> 00:25:35,720 Speaker 1: can form it into something like Clay. And then you 514 00:25:35,760 --> 00:25:37,720 Speaker 1: can form it into something if you have the right 515 00:25:37,760 --> 00:25:39,880 Speaker 1: creative people and if you have a network who will 516 00:25:39,920 --> 00:25:42,960 Speaker 1: allow you to form it, which luckily we did an HBO, 517 00:25:43,520 --> 00:25:46,919 Speaker 1: thank god, because we really we went on such a 518 00:25:47,000 --> 00:25:52,000 Speaker 1: course of you know, finding each character and the show's vibe, 519 00:25:52,080 --> 00:25:55,080 Speaker 1: you know, over the years really and it's actually still 520 00:25:55,640 --> 00:25:58,040 Speaker 1: a journey, which is amazing and amazing that we've been 521 00:25:58,080 --> 00:26:01,640 Speaker 1: allowed to do that. But I remember watching the pilot 522 00:26:01,760 --> 00:26:04,920 Speaker 1: myself at the time, and the scene that I remembered 523 00:26:04,960 --> 00:26:07,400 Speaker 1: and loved, and I feel like everyone feels this way 524 00:26:07,600 --> 00:26:09,719 Speaker 1: is the last scene with Big and Carrie in the 525 00:26:09,720 --> 00:26:12,800 Speaker 1: car and when she gets out, and first of all, 526 00:26:12,840 --> 00:26:16,840 Speaker 1: the village, I mean, it's unrecognizable, Okay, the city in general. 527 00:26:16,920 --> 00:26:20,560 Speaker 1: You're just like, I can't even believe it's changed as 528 00:26:20,640 --> 00:26:23,320 Speaker 1: much as it's changed. I mean, it's still glorious, but 529 00:26:23,359 --> 00:26:28,639 Speaker 1: it's just it was like it looks like the seventies, 530 00:26:28,760 --> 00:26:32,320 Speaker 1: almost true. I mean that's at a little questionable to say, 531 00:26:32,320 --> 00:26:33,840 Speaker 1: and people who are in New York and the seventies 532 00:26:33,880 --> 00:26:36,760 Speaker 1: might disagree with me, But I mean it's rough looking. 533 00:26:36,800 --> 00:26:40,960 Speaker 1: It's fascinatingly rough looking, except for the met stairs of course, 534 00:26:41,160 --> 00:26:44,239 Speaker 1: very glamorous, but Sarah on the street and we used 535 00:26:44,240 --> 00:26:46,920 Speaker 1: to film in Super sixteen, which is very different than 536 00:26:46,920 --> 00:26:48,960 Speaker 1: how we film now, so it's got a kind of 537 00:26:49,000 --> 00:26:53,840 Speaker 1: a rougher quality to the actual film stock. And it's 538 00:26:54,040 --> 00:26:57,639 Speaker 1: just so interesting, like an indie film. It reminds me 539 00:26:57,680 --> 00:26:59,680 Speaker 1: of an indie film, and also an indie film in 540 00:26:59,760 --> 00:27:02,680 Speaker 1: terms of like, you're here, you're there. There's not a 541 00:27:02,720 --> 00:27:05,720 Speaker 1: lot of explanation, there's not a lot of backstory. People 542 00:27:05,760 --> 00:27:08,200 Speaker 1: are just talking to you, and then you're in chaos 543 00:27:08,280 --> 00:27:10,840 Speaker 1: and people are smoking cigars and like it's a very 544 00:27:12,200 --> 00:27:17,919 Speaker 1: interesting and slightly chaotic situation. But really I wanted to 545 00:27:17,960 --> 00:27:20,280 Speaker 1: know more, Like when I watched it last night, I'm like, 546 00:27:20,960 --> 00:27:23,679 Speaker 1: I want to know all about Miranda. I feel like 547 00:27:23,760 --> 00:27:28,720 Speaker 1: Miranda in that suit with that hair eating, you know, 548 00:27:29,000 --> 00:27:32,159 Speaker 1: like calling a skipper skippy and then she pushes it 549 00:27:32,480 --> 00:27:34,240 Speaker 1: up against the wall. I don't remember any of this. 550 00:27:34,359 --> 00:27:35,919 Speaker 1: I obviously wasn't there when they filmed it, but I 551 00:27:35,960 --> 00:27:37,920 Speaker 1: was like, I want to go with her, Like, what's 552 00:27:37,960 --> 00:27:40,280 Speaker 1: her job? What's she doing? And I guess it said 553 00:27:40,320 --> 00:27:42,440 Speaker 1: corporate lawyer, But like, I want to follow her there. 554 00:27:42,560 --> 00:27:45,879 Speaker 1: You know, she's super fascinating and funny and weird. And 555 00:27:45,920 --> 00:27:51,080 Speaker 1: then Samantha is so sophisticated and powerful. You know, this 556 00:27:51,160 --> 00:27:52,720 Speaker 1: is my other thought. When I was watching the show, 557 00:27:52,760 --> 00:27:55,440 Speaker 1: I was like, the three of them are very powerful. 558 00:27:55,600 --> 00:27:59,480 Speaker 1: Charlotte not so powerful, not so powerful at all. Charlotte's 559 00:27:59,480 --> 00:28:03,280 Speaker 1: like a puppy. You know. I really was like, this 560 00:28:03,440 --> 00:28:06,399 Speaker 1: is super fascinating. So I have this other story. So 561 00:28:06,840 --> 00:28:08,840 Speaker 1: I told you about testing, and I had this big, 562 00:28:08,880 --> 00:28:11,760 Speaker 1: big deal. It was like a big, thick, seven year deal. 563 00:28:12,760 --> 00:28:18,280 Speaker 1: When we're doing the pilot. This producer, I think she 564 00:28:18,440 --> 00:28:20,600 Speaker 1: was like a maybe a line producer, like not an 565 00:28:20,640 --> 00:28:23,080 Speaker 1: executive producer. One day I'm in my trailer and she 566 00:28:23,119 --> 00:28:24,680 Speaker 1: comes to my trailer and she knocks on my door 567 00:28:24,720 --> 00:28:27,360 Speaker 1: and I opened it and you know, yes, and she says, oh, well, 568 00:28:27,359 --> 00:28:29,199 Speaker 1: we have this paperwork we need you to fill out. 569 00:28:29,200 --> 00:28:31,240 Speaker 1: And I was like, okay, I take the paperwork and 570 00:28:31,280 --> 00:28:33,520 Speaker 1: I look at it and it seems to be like 571 00:28:33,560 --> 00:28:35,879 Speaker 1: a new contract, but it's only two pages long, and 572 00:28:35,920 --> 00:28:38,320 Speaker 1: I'm like, what is this? And it says like, you know, 573 00:28:38,560 --> 00:28:41,640 Speaker 1: you will be a recurring character and you will be 574 00:28:41,680 --> 00:28:45,120 Speaker 1: paid five thousand dollars And I was like what, So 575 00:28:45,160 --> 00:28:48,520 Speaker 1: I call my lawyer. I'm like, Jason, he's still my Jason. 576 00:28:49,240 --> 00:28:52,480 Speaker 1: Just give me this newpaperwork. What do I do? He said, 577 00:28:52,800 --> 00:28:55,040 Speaker 1: do not sign it. I was like, but but they're 578 00:28:55,040 --> 00:28:57,400 Speaker 1: gonna ask me. What am I gonna say? Because I'm 579 00:28:57,400 --> 00:28:58,880 Speaker 1: a good girl, you know, I'd like to do my 580 00:28:58,920 --> 00:29:00,840 Speaker 1: things right. And he's like, I just just say you 581 00:29:00,840 --> 00:29:03,480 Speaker 1: forgot it. So you forgot it. And I'm like, Okay, 582 00:29:03,640 --> 00:29:05,520 Speaker 1: what is going on? He said, I don't know. I'm 583 00:29:05,560 --> 00:29:07,360 Speaker 1: going to find out. I'll call them. I don't know. 584 00:29:07,680 --> 00:29:09,880 Speaker 1: I know that the pilot's costing a lot and that 585 00:29:09,920 --> 00:29:12,400 Speaker 1: they're stressed at HBO about it. I think the pilot 586 00:29:12,440 --> 00:29:14,720 Speaker 1: costs like two point five million roughly, which at the 587 00:29:14,760 --> 00:29:17,680 Speaker 1: time was a lot because no one really filmed in Manhattan. 588 00:29:17,760 --> 00:29:19,680 Speaker 1: Right when you look at it, it does not look 589 00:29:19,760 --> 00:29:22,160 Speaker 1: like it cost a lot. But I think just being 590 00:29:22,200 --> 00:29:24,720 Speaker 1: in the locations we were in cost a lot. So 591 00:29:25,800 --> 00:29:28,160 Speaker 1: I was like, oh God, Oh Jesus, what are they 592 00:29:28,160 --> 00:29:29,760 Speaker 1: trying to do to me? He goes happening. I was 593 00:29:29,840 --> 00:29:32,280 Speaker 1: so stressed, and then I was just like, I'm just 594 00:29:32,320 --> 00:29:34,120 Speaker 1: not going to mention this to anybody else. I'm just 595 00:29:34,200 --> 00:29:37,200 Speaker 1: going to pretend like everything's fine, you know. But inside 596 00:29:37,240 --> 00:29:40,360 Speaker 1: I was really really nervous about it, and I didn't 597 00:29:40,400 --> 00:29:42,720 Speaker 1: know what it meant. Darren didn't say anything to me 598 00:29:42,800 --> 00:29:45,280 Speaker 1: about it, so I thought, well, if Darren's not saying 599 00:29:45,280 --> 00:29:47,440 Speaker 1: anything to me about it, then everything must be okay. 600 00:29:47,880 --> 00:29:50,080 Speaker 1: I don't know. I was scared. But it was also 601 00:29:50,240 --> 00:29:53,760 Speaker 1: very clear from the book and from the script and 602 00:29:53,800 --> 00:29:57,560 Speaker 1: from the pilot that Charlotte's point of view was a 603 00:29:57,560 --> 00:30:00,280 Speaker 1: different point of view than the other girls. Now that 604 00:30:00,280 --> 00:30:02,240 Speaker 1: they all share the exact same point of view, they don't. 605 00:30:02,400 --> 00:30:04,560 Speaker 1: But when we do have that group scene about trying 606 00:30:04,600 --> 00:30:06,760 Speaker 1: to have sex like a man, and I'm like what 607 00:30:07,080 --> 00:30:09,040 Speaker 1: you know? And I make crazy faces, you know, like 608 00:30:09,080 --> 00:30:12,200 Speaker 1: what romance? You know, it's very clear that I'm on 609 00:30:12,280 --> 00:30:15,000 Speaker 1: a different trajectory, And you do kind of think, like, 610 00:30:15,280 --> 00:30:17,600 Speaker 1: how did Charlotte get to be friends with these girls? 611 00:30:17,680 --> 00:30:20,160 Speaker 1: Like this is interesting, right, but do you feel like 612 00:30:20,640 --> 00:30:22,400 Speaker 1: that is how friend groups are like you're gonna have 613 00:30:22,440 --> 00:30:24,200 Speaker 1: a variety of friend groups. I always thought that was 614 00:30:24,240 --> 00:30:26,480 Speaker 1: weird through the years, when people would bring that up 615 00:30:26,520 --> 00:30:27,840 Speaker 1: to me, like why are you friends with them? I'd 616 00:30:27,840 --> 00:30:29,480 Speaker 1: be like, why wouldn't I be friends with them? Right? 617 00:30:30,040 --> 00:30:32,920 Speaker 1: They're fascinating, They're interesting. I think Charlotte was trying to 618 00:30:34,480 --> 00:30:38,280 Speaker 1: like learn from them, or you know, hopefully some of 619 00:30:38,280 --> 00:30:40,520 Speaker 1: that would rub off on her or whatever. But honestly, 620 00:30:40,560 --> 00:30:43,040 Speaker 1: when I looked back on it, I was like, well, now, 621 00:30:43,080 --> 00:30:45,360 Speaker 1: I do think they were trying to save money, but 622 00:30:45,440 --> 00:30:49,600 Speaker 1: I also think that they were like, well, she's so different, 623 00:30:49,960 --> 00:30:56,200 Speaker 1: and the other three are kind of powerful, like in control, 624 00:30:56,440 --> 00:30:59,360 Speaker 1: trying to navigate this relationship thing where we're talking about 625 00:30:59,400 --> 00:31:01,720 Speaker 1: these issues, and you know, can women have sex like 626 00:31:01,800 --> 00:31:05,320 Speaker 1: men and not have feelings? You know, like what does 627 00:31:05,360 --> 00:31:06,440 Speaker 1: it mean to be ghosted? 628 00:31:06,520 --> 00:31:06,720 Speaker 2: You know? 629 00:31:06,760 --> 00:31:09,440 Speaker 1: Why are there so many incredible single women and all 630 00:31:09,440 --> 00:31:12,120 Speaker 1: these toxic bachelors Like I get all of the points. 631 00:31:12,160 --> 00:31:14,920 Speaker 1: And then to have Charlotte be kind of this looking 632 00:31:14,960 --> 00:31:19,600 Speaker 1: for love, you know, naive character, which obviously I knew 633 00:31:19,600 --> 00:31:22,720 Speaker 1: she was. It is different. It is definitely different, But 634 00:31:22,880 --> 00:31:26,960 Speaker 1: in my gut, I felt like it was really important 635 00:31:27,040 --> 00:31:30,000 Speaker 1: to have this other character. So even though I was 636 00:31:30,120 --> 00:31:35,800 Speaker 1: super stressed about this weird paperwork thing, I did feel like, no, no, 637 00:31:35,920 --> 00:31:38,640 Speaker 1: they need me, you know. I felt inside that they 638 00:31:38,680 --> 00:31:40,960 Speaker 1: needed me. And I'm so happy that I did, because 639 00:31:41,320 --> 00:31:45,040 Speaker 1: obviously it could have really gone wrong, right, like anyone 640 00:31:45,080 --> 00:31:47,640 Speaker 1: could get recast or cut out or at any time 641 00:31:47,720 --> 00:31:49,920 Speaker 1: in our business. But in my gut, I didn't feel 642 00:31:49,920 --> 00:31:52,959 Speaker 1: like that would happen. And I'm so thankful that I 643 00:31:53,640 --> 00:31:55,600 Speaker 1: that I didn't and that I had faith in myself. 644 00:31:55,960 --> 00:31:59,200 Speaker 1: I really am unsure why. In some ways, you know 645 00:31:59,240 --> 00:32:02,160 Speaker 1: what I'm saying. I wasn't the most super confident person 646 00:32:02,280 --> 00:32:04,600 Speaker 1: or whatever, but I do feel like when things come 647 00:32:04,640 --> 00:32:08,080 Speaker 1: to you and you have something that connects with that 648 00:32:08,520 --> 00:32:10,760 Speaker 1: and you have something that you want to be able 649 00:32:10,800 --> 00:32:14,080 Speaker 1: to express or create or whatever, and something that you 650 00:32:14,120 --> 00:32:16,160 Speaker 1: want to be a part of, because I know, I 651 00:32:16,240 --> 00:32:18,800 Speaker 1: desperately wanted to be a part of it, like I 652 00:32:18,840 --> 00:32:22,400 Speaker 1: thought it was like the most incredible job ever, you know. 653 00:32:23,040 --> 00:32:26,280 Speaker 1: And when I watch that group scene, all I see 654 00:32:26,560 --> 00:32:28,680 Speaker 1: is how much I want to connect with them, you know, 655 00:32:28,760 --> 00:32:31,080 Speaker 1: how much I want to be with them and fit in, 656 00:32:31,720 --> 00:32:34,120 Speaker 1: which is kind of heartbreaking in a certain way, but 657 00:32:34,200 --> 00:32:37,320 Speaker 1: also that is kind of Charlotte. You know, that is 658 00:32:37,440 --> 00:32:39,560 Speaker 1: kind of in a way like she wants to be loved, 659 00:32:39,560 --> 00:32:42,120 Speaker 1: she wants to find love, she wants to have love 660 00:32:42,120 --> 00:32:45,520 Speaker 1: with her girlfriend, she wants to connect, you know. And 661 00:32:45,600 --> 00:32:47,400 Speaker 1: I do relate to that still, But when I look 662 00:32:47,440 --> 00:32:49,680 Speaker 1: back on it, I'm like, wow, I was like a 663 00:32:49,720 --> 00:32:55,040 Speaker 1: floppy puppy and they're like sophisticated power, you know, like Samantha. 664 00:32:55,160 --> 00:32:57,960 Speaker 1: I mean, I was just like, she's like a purring 665 00:32:58,280 --> 00:33:03,360 Speaker 1: cat of power, and you know, like she's in there 666 00:33:03,440 --> 00:33:06,920 Speaker 1: using her tools, and Kim does it so well, and 667 00:33:06,960 --> 00:33:11,760 Speaker 1: then Miranda is like an awkward power you know what 668 00:33:11,840 --> 00:33:15,000 Speaker 1: I'm saying. Like, and then Carrie, I forgot this whole 669 00:33:15,040 --> 00:33:16,760 Speaker 1: scene where she goes to try to have sex with 670 00:33:16,800 --> 00:33:19,600 Speaker 1: Bill Sage's character and gets out of bed and is like, 671 00:33:19,880 --> 00:33:21,680 Speaker 1: you know, good luck. He's like what about me, and 672 00:33:21,720 --> 00:33:23,680 Speaker 1: she's like never mind and she gets out of bed. 673 00:33:23,760 --> 00:33:27,080 Speaker 1: I was like, wow, I totally forgot about this. How incredible. 674 00:33:27,360 --> 00:33:30,960 Speaker 1: But I do remember that we were it was, you know, 675 00:33:31,120 --> 00:33:33,880 Speaker 1: shocking in many ways to be talking about sex in 676 00:33:33,880 --> 00:33:36,080 Speaker 1: this kind of open way at the time, and I 677 00:33:36,080 --> 00:33:40,000 Speaker 1: remember that we were nervous about the response, like would 678 00:33:40,080 --> 00:33:42,080 Speaker 1: women like it? Like we were trying to make it 679 00:33:42,080 --> 00:33:43,520 Speaker 1: for women, but we were like, are they going to 680 00:33:43,560 --> 00:33:45,600 Speaker 1: be turned off? Because I do think there's a lot 681 00:33:45,640 --> 00:33:49,000 Speaker 1: to think about in terms of like the male gaze 682 00:33:49,400 --> 00:33:52,640 Speaker 1: and how like at that time in films there was 683 00:33:52,760 --> 00:33:55,840 Speaker 1: a lot of sexuality, but it was from the director's 684 00:33:55,880 --> 00:33:58,280 Speaker 1: point of view or the male actors, like it was 685 00:33:58,320 --> 00:34:03,160 Speaker 1: from the male gaze, not necessarily from empowering women. I mean, 686 00:34:03,160 --> 00:34:05,520 Speaker 1: with a few exceptions, like I can think of like 687 00:34:05,800 --> 00:34:08,040 Speaker 1: that Melanie Griffith movie in Manhattan, what was it culed? 688 00:34:08,080 --> 00:34:11,520 Speaker 1: Do you remember sidebar? We'll figure it out later. Working girl, 689 00:34:11,560 --> 00:34:14,600 Speaker 1: good job, good job, working girl, working girl. Incredible, Like 690 00:34:14,640 --> 00:34:18,120 Speaker 1: there were like like here and there a little and 691 00:34:18,160 --> 00:34:22,000 Speaker 1: we talk about the Last Seduction. We talk about that 692 00:34:22,200 --> 00:34:24,280 Speaker 1: in the film, and that was also like a super 693 00:34:24,360 --> 00:34:29,399 Speaker 1: powerful female character, Linda Fiorentino, remember her, You're too young anyway, 694 00:34:29,560 --> 00:34:32,239 Speaker 1: you know, like there were things here and there where 695 00:34:32,239 --> 00:34:36,279 Speaker 1: the women were powerful kind of sexual beings, but there 696 00:34:36,320 --> 00:34:39,160 Speaker 1: was no TV show like that at all. Right, So 697 00:34:39,280 --> 00:34:43,040 Speaker 1: like from that perspective, I think about how amazing it 698 00:34:43,120 --> 00:34:44,759 Speaker 1: was to be a part of it and how much 699 00:34:44,840 --> 00:34:48,120 Speaker 1: fear we had about the response of it to it, 700 00:34:48,239 --> 00:34:50,880 Speaker 1: you know, but also how incredible that we got to 701 00:34:50,880 --> 00:34:53,560 Speaker 1: do it, you know, and how far everything has come. 702 00:34:53,600 --> 00:34:57,279 Speaker 1: But yet when you look back, we don't use the 703 00:34:57,360 --> 00:35:00,720 Speaker 1: term ghosting, but obviously Sarah Winter's character is ghost before 704 00:35:00,760 --> 00:35:02,600 Speaker 1: we had a term for it, which is always a 705 00:35:02,680 --> 00:35:05,360 Speaker 1: very perplexing thing and still very much something you know, 706 00:35:05,400 --> 00:35:09,120 Speaker 1: we discuss in our culture. And then also, you know, 707 00:35:09,239 --> 00:35:11,160 Speaker 1: can women have sex like men? I mean, I think 708 00:35:11,160 --> 00:35:14,000 Speaker 1: it's a valid question. I do feel like that part 709 00:35:14,239 --> 00:35:17,880 Speaker 1: of the conversation has definitely come a long way. Like 710 00:35:18,320 --> 00:35:21,279 Speaker 1: I feel like, you know, the casual hookup became very 711 00:35:21,440 --> 00:35:25,200 Speaker 1: like acceptable in a certain way, in a more kind 712 00:35:25,200 --> 00:35:27,840 Speaker 1: of equal men and women way, which is great, but 713 00:35:27,960 --> 00:35:30,839 Speaker 1: wasn't true in the nineties. I don't feel like, I mean, 714 00:35:31,000 --> 00:35:32,200 Speaker 1: it might have been true, but I don't know that 715 00:35:32,239 --> 00:35:34,800 Speaker 1: we were open about it, you know. But anyway, I 716 00:35:34,800 --> 00:35:36,840 Speaker 1: think those things are super fascinating, and those were the 717 00:35:36,880 --> 00:35:40,160 Speaker 1: two big themes of the show. And then also, I mean, 718 00:35:40,239 --> 00:35:42,160 Speaker 1: I thought so many things watching the show, but one 719 00:35:42,160 --> 00:35:44,520 Speaker 1: of the things I thought was, like, every male character 720 00:35:44,560 --> 00:35:48,239 Speaker 1: in this show is awful. Okay, they're awful. Why do 721 00:35:48,320 --> 00:35:52,040 Speaker 1: we even want to date them? Why? Why? And thank 722 00:35:52,080 --> 00:35:55,279 Speaker 1: god we wrote toxic bachelor on each one, because all 723 00:35:55,360 --> 00:35:58,839 Speaker 1: of them, all of them, even Skipper, I mean, he's 724 00:35:58,960 --> 00:36:01,480 Speaker 1: just I don't know, well, I'm not I'm not buying 725 00:36:01,480 --> 00:36:03,680 Speaker 1: the Skipper of it all. I hadn't really remembered the 726 00:36:03,680 --> 00:36:06,360 Speaker 1: Skipper of it all. I just love how Miranda is 727 00:36:06,400 --> 00:36:08,879 Speaker 1: with him, where she's just like Skippy. You know, it's 728 00:36:08,960 --> 00:36:13,000 Speaker 1: just so funny. But I mean it's super fascinating all 729 00:36:13,040 --> 00:36:15,319 Speaker 1: of it, all of it. And then I mean there's 730 00:36:15,320 --> 00:36:17,399 Speaker 1: so many other things that I've left out. For one thing, 731 00:36:17,400 --> 00:36:18,919 Speaker 1: I just want to talk about Sarah Jessica. We're gonna 732 00:36:18,920 --> 00:36:20,799 Speaker 1: have a little Sir Jesca talk right now. She's got 733 00:36:20,800 --> 00:36:23,520 Speaker 1: her brown hair. Love it. I love it so much. 734 00:36:23,600 --> 00:36:25,560 Speaker 1: I know we had to go blind, but like to 735 00:36:25,640 --> 00:36:30,480 Speaker 1: see her brown hair curly natural and her eyes, My 736 00:36:30,600 --> 00:36:34,239 Speaker 1: good Lord, like, thank God, we built an empire on 737 00:36:34,280 --> 00:36:38,200 Speaker 1: this woman. She is incredible, dur I'm saying, like I 738 00:36:38,360 --> 00:36:41,680 Speaker 1: was floored. I had not watched this thing is so long, 739 00:36:42,200 --> 00:36:47,799 Speaker 1: and her ease and grace and like also intelligence and depth. Right, 740 00:36:48,040 --> 00:36:49,760 Speaker 1: but like the scene on the street where she meets 741 00:36:49,760 --> 00:36:52,160 Speaker 1: Big and she drops the condoms, but then also when 742 00:36:52,160 --> 00:36:54,520 Speaker 1: she's leaving, you know, she almost like she has to 743 00:36:54,520 --> 00:36:57,520 Speaker 1: fix her skirt behind her Like her physical comedy is 744 00:36:57,560 --> 00:37:02,319 Speaker 1: so brilliant but also subtle. And then also like when 745 00:37:02,320 --> 00:37:03,960 Speaker 1: she has this scene with Bill Sage where she's like, 746 00:37:04,239 --> 00:37:06,520 Speaker 1: oh my god, I forgot Willy. Oh my god, when 747 00:37:06,560 --> 00:37:08,879 Speaker 1: Willy comes on the screen, I might cry. Sorry, but 748 00:37:09,080 --> 00:37:11,799 Speaker 1: you know, he's so young and he's so beautiful and 749 00:37:11,840 --> 00:37:15,600 Speaker 1: I really had forgotten, you know, sorry, but I had 750 00:37:15,640 --> 00:37:16,000 Speaker 1: to stop. 751 00:37:16,040 --> 00:37:18,040 Speaker 2: When I was watching it, I was like, oh my god, 752 00:37:18,680 --> 00:37:21,080 Speaker 2: we were just little little babies, you know. And he's 753 00:37:21,120 --> 00:37:23,719 Speaker 2: so funny and their relationship is so great and they 754 00:37:23,719 --> 00:37:25,560 Speaker 2: had been friends for so long. So I love it 755 00:37:25,880 --> 00:37:26,800 Speaker 2: that it's on camera. 756 00:37:27,760 --> 00:37:40,600 Speaker 1: I have to stop this for a little seconds in 757 00:37:40,680 --> 00:37:42,920 Speaker 1: the scene, I was thinking about the scene that Willy 758 00:37:42,960 --> 00:37:44,399 Speaker 1: and Sarah are in together and. 759 00:37:44,760 --> 00:37:46,680 Speaker 3: You know, he's telling her like, don't go talk to him, 760 00:37:46,719 --> 00:37:49,160 Speaker 3: and she's like, no, no, you know, I'm doing research. 761 00:37:49,640 --> 00:37:53,200 Speaker 3: And she's so seductive and funny and like her eyes. 762 00:37:53,520 --> 00:37:56,120 Speaker 3: I'm like, well, who could say no to her? Like, 763 00:37:56,719 --> 00:38:00,440 Speaker 3: who could say no to her? She's incredible. That was 764 00:38:00,480 --> 00:38:03,799 Speaker 3: fun to watch, Like, I don't know that I think. 765 00:38:03,800 --> 00:38:08,600 Speaker 3: I was just like, I'm just gonna do everything she tells. 766 00:38:08,360 --> 00:38:10,400 Speaker 1: Me to do. Like that's what I feel like at 767 00:38:10,400 --> 00:38:12,400 Speaker 1: the time when I met her, you know, she seemed 768 00:38:12,440 --> 00:38:16,160 Speaker 1: so much more sophisticated, and I mean she frankly just 769 00:38:16,280 --> 00:38:19,279 Speaker 1: is more sophisticated than I am. And I just remember thinking, like, 770 00:38:19,440 --> 00:38:21,440 Speaker 1: whatever she says, I'm gonna do it, I'm going to 771 00:38:21,480 --> 00:38:23,319 Speaker 1: try to do it. Like if she says to grow 772 00:38:23,320 --> 00:38:25,000 Speaker 1: my hair, and I'm gonna grow my hair out. You know, 773 00:38:25,080 --> 00:38:26,839 Speaker 1: if she says to wear longer shirts, I'm gonna wear 774 00:38:26,880 --> 00:38:29,479 Speaker 1: longer shirts. I'm just gonna try to do whatever she says. 775 00:38:29,960 --> 00:38:33,240 Speaker 1: And I did, which is great. But it's really funny 776 00:38:33,640 --> 00:38:39,640 Speaker 1: to look at everything she brings and how she shifted 777 00:38:39,680 --> 00:38:43,360 Speaker 1: the role of Carrie to kind of suit her, but 778 00:38:43,520 --> 00:38:47,720 Speaker 1: also she made her more kind of like every woman 779 00:38:47,760 --> 00:38:50,719 Speaker 1: in a way. I mean, I know this is obviously debatable, 780 00:38:50,800 --> 00:38:52,680 Speaker 1: and the show goes on a long time and everyone 781 00:38:52,719 --> 00:38:57,719 Speaker 1: has opinions about Carrie, but you know, she's so fascinating 782 00:38:57,840 --> 00:39:02,319 Speaker 1: and I don't think that our whole trajectory would ever 783 00:39:02,520 --> 00:39:06,080 Speaker 1: have worked if Sarah had played less, do you know 784 00:39:06,080 --> 00:39:09,760 Speaker 1: what I'm saying? Like she added so much depth and thinking, 785 00:39:09,880 --> 00:39:13,080 Speaker 1: Like her intelligence shows through in so many ways because 786 00:39:13,080 --> 00:39:15,600 Speaker 1: she is a columnist, and she is thinking about, well, 787 00:39:15,600 --> 00:39:19,480 Speaker 1: why this and why that? And you know, she is 788 00:39:19,520 --> 00:39:23,480 Speaker 1: the reason that we could all deepen out, you know, 789 00:39:23,560 --> 00:39:25,680 Speaker 1: because if she hadn't brought that, then the rest of 790 00:39:25,760 --> 00:39:28,000 Speaker 1: us would have been able to do that. So I 791 00:39:28,000 --> 00:39:31,440 Speaker 1: thought about that watching it like, it's a pretty incredible performance, 792 00:39:32,000 --> 00:39:35,960 Speaker 1: even in the messiness of us trying to find ourselves 793 00:39:38,440 --> 00:39:41,120 Speaker 1: and her apartment. Oh my god, I still can't get 794 00:39:41,120 --> 00:39:43,520 Speaker 1: over that apartment and what I think it was, because 795 00:39:43,600 --> 00:39:46,240 Speaker 1: I mean, obviously we changed to the Perry Street apartment, 796 00:39:46,440 --> 00:39:48,040 Speaker 1: which was not supposed to be Pari Street. It supposed 797 00:39:48,080 --> 00:39:49,480 Speaker 1: to be that our breast side, which is where Candace 798 00:39:49,560 --> 00:39:52,719 Speaker 1: actually lived. And Candace I believe, did actually live over 799 00:39:52,760 --> 00:39:55,239 Speaker 1: a coffee shop. Remember they show that neon side of 800 00:39:55,280 --> 00:39:58,640 Speaker 1: the coffee shop and then that really really incredibly messy apartment. 801 00:39:59,160 --> 00:40:02,359 Speaker 1: I mean, it's super interesting, but I was shocked. I 802 00:40:02,360 --> 00:40:05,200 Speaker 1: do not remember it being that dark and that messy, 803 00:40:05,239 --> 00:40:07,719 Speaker 1: and I'm really glad that we changed it. Okay, So 804 00:40:07,840 --> 00:40:10,120 Speaker 1: as you can see, I have many stories. I have 805 00:40:10,160 --> 00:40:12,600 Speaker 1: stories for days, stories for days, and I look forward 806 00:40:12,640 --> 00:40:15,560 Speaker 1: to telling them all to you. But I also have 807 00:40:15,600 --> 00:40:17,960 Speaker 1: an exciting guest who're going to bring the very first 808 00:40:18,000 --> 00:40:20,919 Speaker 1: guest star, Sarah Winter in to talk to me. She's 809 00:40:20,960 --> 00:40:23,200 Speaker 1: the very first face that you see in the pilot 810 00:40:23,600 --> 00:40:25,720 Speaker 1: and she's so lovely and I have such fond memories 811 00:40:25,719 --> 00:40:27,480 Speaker 1: ever and I can't wait to see her again. And 812 00:40:27,520 --> 00:40:29,759 Speaker 1: that is going to be on our next episode of 813 00:40:30,200 --> 00:40:32,400 Speaker 1: Are You a Charlotte? And I think we're gonna ask Sarah, 814 00:40:32,440 --> 00:40:34,680 Speaker 1: are you a Charlotte? Let's ask her, let's find out 815 00:40:35,120 --> 00:40:36,160 Speaker 1: thanks for being with me.