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Speaker 1: This is Morning Combat.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, back here, back at it, back with a bang,

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Speaker 2: His name is Luke Thomas.

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Speaker 1: Hi, friends, how are you.

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Speaker 2: Luke. We're back at home. We're we're all trying to find,

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I didn't appreciate him trying to convince people they

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Speaker 2: Who's gonna win? And y UFC Fight Night going down

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Speaker 1: I mean, it's the the thing? Is this like it

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and by the way, he didn't like go after

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Speaker 2: here and get this win. The other quote was, you

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Speaker 2: and fighters who are part of this business wonder why

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00:21:54,119 --> 00:21:57,440
Speaker 2: they get done like that. So that it's all and well, Luke,

434
00:21:57,480 --> 00:21:58,919
Speaker 2: We're still gonna have a fight, though, And what we

435
00:21:58,960 --> 00:22:02,080
Speaker 2: know about Holland is he's away, he's opportunistic. He fought

436
00:22:02,240 --> 00:22:04,879
Speaker 2: five times in twenty twenty and was really arguably the

437
00:22:04,880 --> 00:22:07,760
Speaker 2: star of the pandemic along with JEMAIAV, Billy C a

438
00:22:07,800 --> 00:22:10,480
Speaker 2: few others. He also said he tied to UFC record

439
00:22:10,480 --> 00:22:12,480
Speaker 2: with those five wins in one calendar year with Neil

440
00:22:12,480 --> 00:22:15,399
Speaker 2: Magne and Roger Werta, and set his own UFC record

441
00:22:15,440 --> 00:22:20,200
Speaker 2: for seven appearances over a twelve month period. But Luke,

442
00:22:20,240 --> 00:22:23,640
Speaker 2: when you're that willing, you can take losses. Now, Kevin

443
00:22:23,680 --> 00:22:26,680
Speaker 2: Holland is two and three with one no contest in

444
00:22:26,760 --> 00:22:30,399
Speaker 2: the last two calendar years. He is a slight favorite

445
00:22:30,600 --> 00:22:33,119
Speaker 2: entering into this fight. We expect this to have the

446
00:22:33,119 --> 00:22:37,280
Speaker 2: potential to be a nice five round kickboxing match. What

447
00:22:37,400 --> 00:22:40,800
Speaker 2: Kevin Holland said though third round knockout. Once I am

448
00:22:40,840 --> 00:22:43,040
Speaker 2: able to break him down and he feels my real

449
00:22:43,119 --> 00:22:45,840
Speaker 2: power in round three, the fight is over. As you

450
00:22:45,880 --> 00:22:47,840
Speaker 2: look at this matchup, Luke, what stands out to you?

451
00:22:48,280 --> 00:22:50,280
Speaker 2: Xes and Os? Why is heading into Saturday?

452
00:22:50,520 --> 00:22:53,320
Speaker 1: You know, I actually went through Kevin Holland's record and

453
00:22:53,760 --> 00:22:55,600
Speaker 1: watched a bunch of tape on him, and I'm halfway

454
00:22:55,640 --> 00:22:57,280
Speaker 1: through watching tape and I'm like, dude, none of this

455
00:22:57,320 --> 00:22:59,960
Speaker 1: is really relevant, you know what I mean? Like, Okay,

456
00:23:00,320 --> 00:23:04,440
Speaker 1: has he fought strikers before, Yes, yes, Joaquim Buckley would

457
00:23:04,480 --> 00:23:08,400
Speaker 1: be one. But dude, Buckley strikes in like a totally

458
00:23:08,440 --> 00:23:10,840
Speaker 1: different way than WonderBoy and also was a different weight

459
00:23:10,880 --> 00:23:14,439
Speaker 1: class and everything else. You know, Like there was a

460
00:23:14,480 --> 00:23:18,000
Speaker 1: stat from my guy Dick Mann over at fight Metric

461
00:23:18,000 --> 00:23:20,080
Speaker 1: where he was talking about like in neutral positions, so

462
00:23:20,160 --> 00:23:22,399
Speaker 1: like you know where it's not like one because you

463
00:23:22,400 --> 00:23:24,280
Speaker 1: have to count strikes on the ground. But like if

464
00:23:24,280 --> 00:23:26,159
Speaker 1: you're just talking about guys where no one has a

465
00:23:26,200 --> 00:23:28,960
Speaker 1: control position on the other what the what do the

466
00:23:29,040 --> 00:23:31,400
Speaker 1: numbers say about Kevin Holland? He has over his opponents

467
00:23:31,720 --> 00:23:34,840
Speaker 1: a nearly four integer striking advantage. I mean that's a

468
00:23:35,119 --> 00:23:38,000
Speaker 1: massive number. Like if you watch him do it, he

469
00:23:38,040 --> 00:23:40,560
Speaker 1: can do a lot. He can strike backing up, going forward.

470
00:23:40,840 --> 00:23:43,160
Speaker 1: He likes to tie up and close throw elbows, which

471
00:23:43,160 --> 00:23:44,680
Speaker 1: is one thing I think could be kind of interesting.

472
00:23:44,840 --> 00:23:46,560
Speaker 1: He can strike a long range with a one two,

473
00:23:46,720 --> 00:23:49,439
Speaker 1: He can go counter striking, he can lead. But he

474
00:23:49,520 --> 00:23:53,359
Speaker 1: tends to have guys in terms of the striking based

475
00:23:53,400 --> 00:23:55,879
Speaker 1: opponents that just in the words of Paul Felder, that

476
00:23:56,040 --> 00:23:58,720
Speaker 1: just kind of collide with him rather than you know,

477
00:23:58,800 --> 00:24:01,520
Speaker 1: having to go five the guy that you're gonna have

478
00:24:01,560 --> 00:24:03,960
Speaker 1: to find in WonderBoy. So what it seems to me,

479
00:24:04,080 --> 00:24:06,199
Speaker 1: BC is this is sort of how I view it.

480
00:24:06,400 --> 00:24:07,879
Speaker 1: I'm gonna go back to something I said on Wednesday,

481
00:24:07,880 --> 00:24:09,159
Speaker 1: but I'm gonna add a little bit of a wrinkle

482
00:24:09,160 --> 00:24:11,800
Speaker 1: to it. To me, it's gonna be a question of

483
00:24:11,880 --> 00:24:15,240
Speaker 1: how well he's able to find wonder Boy and what

484
00:24:15,359 --> 00:24:18,520
Speaker 1: he does to make him more find a bull right.

485
00:24:18,640 --> 00:24:20,640
Speaker 1: In other words, are you gonna be able to touch

486
00:24:20,720 --> 00:24:22,440
Speaker 1: him with whatever you're doing, because you know he's gonna

487
00:24:22,440 --> 00:24:23,639
Speaker 1: be in and out and just at the end of

488
00:24:23,680 --> 00:24:25,959
Speaker 1: the punches. But how are you going to corral his

489
00:24:26,119 --> 00:24:29,040
Speaker 1: movement and his the space behind and to the side

490
00:24:29,040 --> 00:24:31,359
Speaker 1: of him to make that easier. It really depends on

491
00:24:31,400 --> 00:24:33,080
Speaker 1: his game plan. But the other thing I'm going to

492
00:24:33,119 --> 00:24:36,320
Speaker 1: point to here is Kevin Holland doesn't get enough credit

493
00:24:36,480 --> 00:24:40,359
Speaker 1: in my view for his power. He actually has some

494
00:24:40,600 --> 00:24:43,320
Speaker 1: ability to thump here, especially at one seventy, but you

495
00:24:43,359 --> 00:24:45,680
Speaker 1: saw it at one eighty five as well, right putting

496
00:24:45,680 --> 00:24:48,320
Speaker 1: out Buckley's lights and Jackaray's and many other guys. He

497
00:24:48,400 --> 00:24:51,720
Speaker 1: actually can thump a little bit. Wonder Boy has made

498
00:24:51,760 --> 00:24:53,399
Speaker 1: the argument that I don't get hit a lot, I

499
00:24:53,400 --> 00:24:54,960
Speaker 1: don't have a bad chant, and I think that that

500
00:24:55,160 --> 00:24:58,359
Speaker 1: probably is mostly true. But I do think that if

501
00:24:58,440 --> 00:25:00,720
Speaker 1: Kevin Holland can land on him clean over time it's

502
00:25:00,720 --> 00:25:03,800
Speaker 1: a five round fight, he will sit him down, he

503
00:25:03,840 --> 00:25:05,600
Speaker 1: will drop him, he will hurt him. I do think

504
00:25:05,600 --> 00:25:07,840
Speaker 1: that that's going to happen, especially when his linear punches

505
00:25:07,840 --> 00:25:11,000
Speaker 1: they're long, they're fast, he can do them off rhythm.

506
00:25:11,359 --> 00:25:12,800
Speaker 1: There's something to be said there. So what I think

507
00:25:12,840 --> 00:25:14,119
Speaker 1: is gonna happen is he's going to have a bit

508
00:25:14,160 --> 00:25:16,800
Speaker 1: of a hard time through long stretches of the fight

509
00:25:16,880 --> 00:25:19,400
Speaker 1: be see. But I do think eventually, within the course

510
00:25:19,400 --> 00:25:22,120
Speaker 1: of three, probably four rounds, he's going to define the chin.

511
00:25:22,320 --> 00:25:24,280
Speaker 1: He's gonna hurt him, and the question is can he

512
00:25:24,320 --> 00:25:26,720
Speaker 1: finish him off from there? In other words, it's hard

513
00:25:26,720 --> 00:25:28,399
Speaker 1: for me to give you a really clear sense of

514
00:25:28,400 --> 00:25:30,720
Speaker 1: the x's and o's given one guy's history and one

515
00:25:30,720 --> 00:25:33,920
Speaker 1: guy's uniqueness. But the state of things for either guy

516
00:25:34,119 --> 00:25:36,000
Speaker 1: kind of tell you that there's a certain, I think

517
00:25:36,320 --> 00:25:39,240
Speaker 1: inevitability that both that the fight will trend towards.

518
00:25:39,520 --> 00:25:41,359
Speaker 2: Yeah, and now he's got five rounds to deal with

519
00:25:41,400 --> 00:25:43,280
Speaker 2: it here in this main event. And for Kevin Holland,

520
00:25:43,320 --> 00:25:46,320
Speaker 2: of his last seven wins, six have come by stopage,

521
00:25:46,320 --> 00:25:50,679
Speaker 2: and we're talking about you know, Cowboy, Oliverajnaldo Suzo, Joaquin Buckley,

522
00:25:50,640 --> 00:25:54,280
Speaker 2: Anthony Hernandez. This has been when he's able to fight

523
00:25:54,320 --> 00:25:56,840
Speaker 2: on better terms than the ones that saw him on

524
00:25:56,880 --> 00:25:59,280
Speaker 2: the bottom against Jamaiev or you know, on the flip side,

525
00:25:59,280 --> 00:26:03,320
Speaker 2: Wonder Boy losing two straight fights largely by wrestling. Kevin

526
00:26:03,320 --> 00:26:05,280
Speaker 2: Holland can strike, but look, I do want to see

527
00:26:05,320 --> 00:26:07,880
Speaker 2: a balanced effort here almost if a in a you can't,

528
00:26:07,920 --> 00:26:09,600
Speaker 2: if you can't beat him, join them. Now what I

529
00:26:09,640 --> 00:26:12,119
Speaker 2: mean by that is, look, if the fight is competitive

530
00:26:12,119 --> 00:26:14,400
Speaker 2: with Wonder Boy, but you're falling into some of those

531
00:26:14,440 --> 00:26:17,040
Speaker 2: traps with WonderBoy style that he does so well even

532
00:26:17,040 --> 00:26:19,960
Speaker 2: at this age. I'd like to see Holland shoot. I'd

533
00:26:20,000 --> 00:26:24,240
Speaker 2: like to see him, you know, do to WonderBoy what

534
00:26:24,320 --> 00:26:26,320
Speaker 2: people have done to both of these guys. I'd like

535
00:26:26,359 --> 00:26:29,440
Speaker 2: to see that full roll, rounded effort and to be

536
00:26:29,600 --> 00:26:32,240
Speaker 2: to be honest, be less of a cowboy. Maybe that's

537
00:26:32,280 --> 00:26:35,520
Speaker 2: just his way. Kevin Holland take any advantage put himself

538
00:26:35,520 --> 00:26:38,199
Speaker 2: in these scenarios where you fight Himaiah. When even he

539
00:26:38,240 --> 00:26:40,120
Speaker 2: said to himself, you know, after that fight was announced,

540
00:26:40,160 --> 00:26:41,919
Speaker 2: it was like, yeah, I probably shouldn't be doing this,

541
00:26:42,040 --> 00:26:43,840
Speaker 2: but but you know, I'm gonna do it. I'm gonna

542
00:26:43,880 --> 00:26:46,399
Speaker 2: go after it. Man. If he tones it down just

543
00:26:46,480 --> 00:26:48,800
Speaker 2: a bit, this is the opportunity for one of the

544
00:26:48,840 --> 00:26:51,640
Speaker 2: biggest wins of his career. The odds tell you it's

545
00:26:51,760 --> 00:26:54,840
Speaker 2: largely a flip. I'm here, but Holland is younger. He

546
00:26:54,960 --> 00:26:57,160
Speaker 2: does seem to have more left in the tank. But Luke,

547
00:26:57,200 --> 00:27:00,200
Speaker 2: let's talk about what we believe wonder Boy has in

548
00:27:00,200 --> 00:27:03,159
Speaker 2: the tank. Because those two defeats, you know, they're humbling.

549
00:27:03,680 --> 00:27:06,280
Speaker 2: Gilbert Burns used his ground attack, but I mean, but

550
00:27:06,520 --> 00:27:09,720
Speaker 2: nobody really outside of that one punch and Pettis dominates

551
00:27:09,720 --> 00:27:12,639
Speaker 2: wonder Boy. He is, though, two, much shy of becoming

552
00:27:12,640 --> 00:27:15,120
Speaker 2: a man and turning forty. He does have a two

553
00:27:15,160 --> 00:27:18,600
Speaker 2: fight losing streak. He is three five and one since

554
00:27:18,720 --> 00:27:23,840
Speaker 2: twenty sixteen, and that includes the two title fights with Woodley.

555
00:27:23,880 --> 00:27:27,479
Speaker 2: According to Wonder Boy himself, the goal is always the title.

556
00:27:28,080 --> 00:27:30,160
Speaker 2: I'm always at the top of the list, and that's

557
00:27:30,200 --> 00:27:32,320
Speaker 2: not going to stop. I'm still going for that, And

558
00:27:32,359 --> 00:27:35,760
Speaker 2: he specifically called out Leon Edwards as inspiration for somebody

559
00:27:35,800 --> 00:27:39,280
Speaker 2: like him who's not a wrestler, who went out there,

560
00:27:39,320 --> 00:27:42,040
Speaker 2: didn't give up and won the championship. Is the idea

561
00:27:42,200 --> 00:27:46,920
Speaker 2: of wonder Boy pushing forty, still thinking title realistic in

562
00:27:46,960 --> 00:27:47,359
Speaker 2: your eyes?

563
00:27:48,640 --> 00:27:55,919
Speaker 1: No, no, not at all. Whether he's still whether he

564
00:27:55,960 --> 00:27:59,720
Speaker 1: can still be decidedly relevant, which, by the way, is

565
00:28:00,280 --> 00:28:03,080
Speaker 1: to do, especially at thirty eight thirty nine years of age.

566
00:28:04,000 --> 00:28:06,840
Speaker 1: I do think that is interestingly enough on the table.

567
00:28:07,320 --> 00:28:09,080
Speaker 1: I wonder, I mean, I guess obviously this fight will

568
00:28:09,080 --> 00:28:10,199
Speaker 1: tell us a little bit more about that. I think

569
00:28:10,240 --> 00:28:13,479
Speaker 1: the title is desperately out of reach. And you know,

570
00:28:13,600 --> 00:28:16,920
Speaker 1: I understand that these guys remember how this all works, right,

571
00:28:17,640 --> 00:28:20,240
Speaker 1: These fighters live and die in their own minds, and

572
00:28:21,400 --> 00:28:24,480
Speaker 1: some can, like you know, begin to pair back their

573
00:28:24,520 --> 00:28:26,879
Speaker 1: aspirations as they age, where they're like, Okay, it's not

574
00:28:26,920 --> 00:28:28,840
Speaker 1: realistic for me to go over the title anymore, but

575
00:28:28,840 --> 00:28:30,719
Speaker 1: I still want to be in fun, relevant fights and

576
00:28:30,720 --> 00:28:32,399
Speaker 1: do what I can, like a Jim Miller type or

577
00:28:32,440 --> 00:28:35,280
Speaker 1: you know, you name whatever version of that sounds right

578
00:28:35,320 --> 00:28:37,800
Speaker 1: to you. But a lot of them have a difficulty

579
00:28:37,880 --> 00:28:40,960
Speaker 1: turning that off, going from oh, I'm title only either

580
00:28:40,960 --> 00:28:42,440
Speaker 1: it's for the title or I'm out of the sport.

581
00:28:42,720 --> 00:28:44,160
Speaker 1: And that's fine, by the way, Like they can make

582
00:28:44,200 --> 00:28:45,640
Speaker 1: that call, like there's not a real out of wrong

583
00:28:45,640 --> 00:28:47,760
Speaker 1: answer here. It's all what they want. But I'm just

584
00:28:47,800 --> 00:28:50,600
Speaker 1: pointing out if you've, like, if you've, if you these

585
00:28:50,600 --> 00:28:53,480
Speaker 1: guys have to brainwash themselves. I mean, you can't compete

586
00:28:53,520 --> 00:28:55,400
Speaker 1: in the sport without it. Like, I'm not even bashing them,

587
00:28:55,440 --> 00:28:58,120
Speaker 1: it's just a functional reality. But the problem is when

588
00:28:58,160 --> 00:28:59,760
Speaker 1: you get to the other side of things and you

589
00:29:00,120 --> 00:29:02,640
Speaker 1: only had that gear for very long, it is hard

590
00:29:02,640 --> 00:29:05,560
Speaker 1: to undo it. So certainly that could be wrong. I

591
00:29:05,560 --> 00:29:08,000
Speaker 1: think he could potentially mount some kind of thing, but

592
00:29:08,120 --> 00:29:12,160
Speaker 1: I find it extremely unlikely. And you know the fact

593
00:29:12,160 --> 00:29:14,480
Speaker 1: that he has lost his to Bala Mohammad and Gilbert

594
00:29:14,480 --> 00:29:17,880
Speaker 1: Burns and they were relatively one sided ish kind of

595
00:29:17,920 --> 00:29:20,160
Speaker 1: tells you that it's mostly a pipe dream at this point.

596
00:29:20,520 --> 00:29:24,160
Speaker 1: But BC, can he beat good guys inside the top ten,

597
00:29:24,760 --> 00:29:27,200
Speaker 1: be in big fight cards, be in big fights, be

598
00:29:27,240 --> 00:29:30,960
Speaker 1: a fan favorite, That to me still seems an interesting question.

599
00:29:31,160 --> 00:29:34,160
Speaker 1: I just don't think a title aspirations realistic. It's weird.

600
00:29:34,160 --> 00:29:36,080
Speaker 2: It's like that one punch loss to Pettis in a

601
00:29:36,120 --> 00:29:38,280
Speaker 2: fight that wonder Boy was winning and on his way

602
00:29:38,320 --> 00:29:42,880
Speaker 2: to winning to seemingly you know, it wasn't disastrous. He

603
00:29:42,920 --> 00:29:45,640
Speaker 2: came back, bounce back from there one another fight at

604
00:29:45,640 --> 00:29:47,280
Speaker 2: a good level. Still, look at where he is now

605
00:29:47,320 --> 00:29:49,600
Speaker 2: in a main event, But it did seem like the

606
00:29:50,200 --> 00:29:53,240
Speaker 2: early beginning of what is the inevitable end when you're

607
00:29:53,280 --> 00:29:56,000
Speaker 2: somebody who's at this age and you do rely so

608
00:29:56,160 --> 00:30:00,600
Speaker 2: much on speed, reaction, time, movement and all that. People

609
00:30:00,640 --> 00:30:02,440
Speaker 2: didn't catch up with him in that way in the past,

610
00:30:02,480 --> 00:30:04,280
Speaker 2: and then they did. He's been able to hold it

611
00:30:04,320 --> 00:30:06,920
Speaker 2: together here, but you do sometimes have to remember, like

612
00:30:06,960 --> 00:30:09,400
Speaker 2: how we got here before that stretch of being three

613
00:30:09,440 --> 00:30:11,080
Speaker 2: to five and one. And I don't hold it against

614
00:30:11,160 --> 00:30:13,520
Speaker 2: him over the last six years because he's fought a

615
00:30:13,560 --> 00:30:15,520
Speaker 2: lot of the best, including those two fights with Woodley

616
00:30:15,520 --> 00:30:17,600
Speaker 2: where he didn't get a win, but boy did he

617
00:30:17,640 --> 00:30:19,720
Speaker 2: fight great in there and show himself. Do you remember

618
00:30:19,720 --> 00:30:22,200
Speaker 2: that seven fight win streak before that Luke that put

619
00:30:22,280 --> 00:30:26,640
Speaker 2: him on that title level. Four knockouts and wins over

620
00:30:27,120 --> 00:30:31,560
Speaker 2: Rory MacDonald, Johnny Hendricks by stoppage, Jake Ellenberger, and Robert

621
00:30:31,560 --> 00:30:34,680
Speaker 2: Whittaker by stoppage, just to name a few of them.

622
00:30:35,360 --> 00:30:38,640
Speaker 2: It's like he's not night and day removed from being

623
00:30:38,680 --> 00:30:40,400
Speaker 2: that guy. But I do agree with you. I was

624
00:30:40,440 --> 00:30:43,400
Speaker 2: surprised to see him all the way back where we

625
00:30:43,440 --> 00:30:45,880
Speaker 2: are now still talking about entering that title run. But

626
00:30:45,920 --> 00:30:48,560
Speaker 2: maybe that's the motivation and the confidence level he needs

627
00:30:48,600 --> 00:30:50,520
Speaker 2: to carry to get the best of out himself, Luke

628
00:30:50,560 --> 00:30:53,320
Speaker 2: one thing he won't be getting this Saturday. Stephen Thompson

629
00:30:53,720 --> 00:30:57,600
Speaker 2: is comedian musician Jack Black making the walkout, which was

630
00:30:57,640 --> 00:30:59,680
Speaker 2: the original plan for him to walk out to a

631
00:31:00,560 --> 00:31:03,640
Speaker 2: song have Jack Black coach Littori style next to him.

632
00:31:03,920 --> 00:31:07,160
Speaker 2: Jack had to cancel last minute. Your care concern on

633
00:31:07,200 --> 00:31:08,960
Speaker 2: this is what zero or below zero?

634
00:31:09,320 --> 00:31:11,760
Speaker 1: I like Jack Black or whatever, but yeah, zero?

635
00:31:12,200 --> 00:31:14,000
Speaker 2: All right, Well, let's get into what you do karabout

636
00:31:14,040 --> 00:31:18,000
Speaker 2: the prediction. Who wins five rounds? Remember this time Thompson

637
00:31:18,000 --> 00:31:21,960
Speaker 2: plus one thirty five Holland minus one fifty five is

638
00:31:22,280 --> 00:31:24,560
Speaker 2: youth served in this case.

639
00:31:24,760 --> 00:31:26,760
Speaker 1: I'm gonna say yes. I mean, here's the thing. Like

640
00:31:27,520 --> 00:31:30,080
Speaker 1: the very best version of wonder Boy. I think, you know,

641
00:31:30,880 --> 00:31:33,280
Speaker 1: a younger version certainly as well, could beat a lot

642
00:31:33,280 --> 00:31:36,840
Speaker 1: of really good fighters. He might be Kevin Holland. I

643
00:31:36,880 --> 00:31:38,280
Speaker 1: don't know what the odds are. I know you read

644
00:31:38,320 --> 00:31:40,960
Speaker 1: them out, but I don't remember. But you know I

645
00:31:40,960 --> 00:31:43,680
Speaker 1: could understand a case for wonderbol here. I really could.

646
00:31:43,720 --> 00:31:45,280
Speaker 1: I don't think that's crazy. I think this is one

647
00:31:45,280 --> 00:31:47,240
Speaker 1: of those fights where it's like, eh, we gotta be careful.

648
00:31:47,320 --> 00:31:50,080
Speaker 1: I just think in the end, while it is true,

649
00:31:50,120 --> 00:31:53,160
Speaker 1: wonder Boy hasn't taken any enormous amount of punishment relative

650
00:31:53,160 --> 00:31:55,720
Speaker 1: to other fighters who've been doing this very long. I

651
00:31:55,760 --> 00:31:59,040
Speaker 1: don't think his resilience is necessarily going to save him,

652
00:31:59,080 --> 00:32:00,680
Speaker 1: like in the case of there John Jones, where he's

653
00:32:00,680 --> 00:32:04,320
Speaker 1: like surprisingly very good, chin right, something like that. I

654
00:32:04,360 --> 00:32:06,520
Speaker 1: think that Kevin Holland can thump. I think he is

655
00:32:06,960 --> 00:32:09,200
Speaker 1: that throws a lot of volume. I think he's hard

656
00:32:09,240 --> 00:32:12,880
Speaker 1: to hurt, and the lack of wrestling doesn't give Kevin

657
00:32:12,880 --> 00:32:16,200
Speaker 1: Holland a lot of other options necessarily. I don't know

658
00:32:16,240 --> 00:32:17,960
Speaker 1: if he's really going to need him. It may take

659
00:32:18,000 --> 00:32:19,920
Speaker 1: a while, it could be close, he could be down

660
00:32:19,920 --> 00:32:22,800
Speaker 1: on the cards. I think Kevin Holland finds a way,

661
00:32:22,840 --> 00:32:24,840
Speaker 1: and I think the power and the length and the

662
00:32:24,880 --> 00:32:27,680
Speaker 1: speed and the diversity of his striking is probably gonna

663
00:32:27,680 --> 00:32:28,400
Speaker 1: be the difference maker.

664
00:32:28,440 --> 00:32:30,040
Speaker 2: I think he talked me into that pick, and it's

665
00:32:30,040 --> 00:32:33,560
Speaker 2: like for Holland, like is this a must win? Well,

666
00:32:33,640 --> 00:32:36,360
Speaker 2: not like for what must win? For what to hold

667
00:32:36,400 --> 00:32:39,600
Speaker 2: his spot and to use the leverage that he may

668
00:32:39,680 --> 00:32:41,800
Speaker 2: or may not have gained behind the scenes from being

669
00:32:41,800 --> 00:32:44,640
Speaker 2: willing to fight Jamaiah to do his part to hold

670
00:32:44,680 --> 00:32:47,640
Speaker 2: that fight card. Together. If he wins, I do think

671
00:32:47,720 --> 00:32:50,320
Speaker 2: Luke he can he can really use that leverage and

672
00:32:50,360 --> 00:32:52,160
Speaker 2: try to pair this into a big fight. This would,

673
00:32:52,200 --> 00:32:54,600
Speaker 2: you know, arguably be among the biggest names he's defeated

674
00:32:54,640 --> 00:32:56,400
Speaker 2: all although, as I mentioned, he had that good run

675
00:32:56,440 --> 00:32:59,000
Speaker 2: and beat an aging Jockeray and all that, But you

676
00:32:59,120 --> 00:33:02,000
Speaker 2: beat a number six guy who still has it at

677
00:33:02,040 --> 00:33:04,320
Speaker 2: the moment with that name as a former title challenger.

678
00:33:04,480 --> 00:33:06,920
Speaker 2: I think Holland will not be talking about retirement after this,

679
00:33:07,000 --> 00:33:08,840
Speaker 2: and I think he will be talking about how do

680
00:33:08,920 --> 00:33:11,680
Speaker 2: I leverage it? But a loss in this moment would

681
00:33:11,720 --> 00:33:14,840
Speaker 2: certainly set back his larger goals. I like Holland at

682
00:33:14,880 --> 00:33:16,959
Speaker 2: this weight class. I do want to see some wrestling here.

683
00:33:17,000 --> 00:33:18,760
Speaker 2: I want to see him mixed up. But let's see

684
00:33:18,800 --> 00:33:21,760
Speaker 2: if his third round knockout prediction will hold up. Luke

685
00:33:21,760 --> 00:33:23,200
Speaker 2: in this cole main event. I want to get your

686
00:33:23,200 --> 00:33:26,440
Speaker 2: pick here because it's somewhat interesting. The odds way different

687
00:33:26,480 --> 00:33:29,360
Speaker 2: than the main event, meaning Brian Barberina, the welterweight brawler

688
00:33:29,600 --> 00:33:32,480
Speaker 2: three fight win streak, but a plus four to twenty

689
00:33:32,640 --> 00:33:35,320
Speaker 2: underdog against the thirty eight year old legend the former

690
00:33:35,400 --> 00:33:39,840
Speaker 2: lightweight champion Jafiel Dosanjos, who is nearly a six to

691
00:33:39,840 --> 00:33:44,160
Speaker 2: one betting favorite. Luke Rda is back at one seventy.

692
00:33:44,360 --> 00:33:47,880
Speaker 2: His explanation this week was, it's the opposite of what

693
00:33:47,920 --> 00:33:50,840
Speaker 2: Stephen Thompson said. It's I don't have plans anymore to

694
00:33:50,920 --> 00:33:53,560
Speaker 2: win a title at one fifty five. I'll only cut

695
00:33:53,600 --> 00:33:56,880
Speaker 2: down there for specific, very big fights. I don't see

696
00:33:56,920 --> 00:33:59,320
Speaker 2: myself in that title picture anymore. To be honest, I

697
00:33:59,360 --> 00:34:02,200
Speaker 2: want to go up to so uh. This was a

698
00:34:02,320 --> 00:34:04,960
Speaker 2: name in Barbarino who has been calling our da out

699
00:34:05,000 --> 00:34:08,040
Speaker 2: behind the scenes to the UFC. He got his wish.

700
00:34:08,640 --> 00:34:12,239
Speaker 2: Are these odds justifiable for what we all recognize as

701
00:34:12,320 --> 00:34:15,840
Speaker 2: a large skill gap between these two when the brawler

702
00:34:15,920 --> 00:34:17,800
Speaker 2: comes in there against the angels wonder?

703
00:34:18,040 --> 00:34:19,920
Speaker 1: Yeah, I gotta say I find the odds to be

704
00:34:20,280 --> 00:34:23,160
Speaker 1: a little crazy. They seem a little bit wide. I

705
00:34:23,239 --> 00:34:27,360
Speaker 1: get that in many ways, dos Angos represents a vast

706
00:34:27,480 --> 00:34:29,600
Speaker 1: increase in the quality of opposition given who he has

707
00:34:29,640 --> 00:34:31,719
Speaker 1: been beating, although he is on a nice win streak

708
00:34:31,800 --> 00:34:38,880
Speaker 1: himself over weeks Brown and Lawlor. But dos Ango should

709
00:34:38,960 --> 00:34:41,120
Speaker 1: not lose this right. I mean, for a lot of reasons.

710
00:34:41,480 --> 00:34:45,760
Speaker 1: The reach disadvantage is not significant just two inches dos Angos'

711
00:34:45,800 --> 00:34:50,320
Speaker 1: strength of schedule. While that does contribute to being shopworn

712
00:34:50,400 --> 00:34:54,200
Speaker 1: to some degree, just is you know, he's faced far

713
00:34:54,360 --> 00:34:56,400
Speaker 1: better fighters than this. I don't think that's an insult.

714
00:34:56,400 --> 00:34:59,040
Speaker 1: I think that's just a reality. And more to the point, BC,

715
00:35:00,160 --> 00:35:02,800
Speaker 1: he's just got more ways to win right, skills win fights.

716
00:35:03,239 --> 00:35:05,360
Speaker 1: The muy Thai of Dosanjos as crisper. And now I

717
00:35:05,360 --> 00:35:07,600
Speaker 1: do think that Barberina taking risk and just walking through

718
00:35:07,640 --> 00:35:11,160
Speaker 1: punches also makes him very dangerous. We have seen clear

719
00:35:11,200 --> 00:35:13,719
Speaker 1: evidence of that. So it's not like Dosanjos can just

720
00:35:13,760 --> 00:35:15,319
Speaker 1: you know, waltz in there and do whatever you want.

721
00:35:15,360 --> 00:35:17,560
Speaker 1: I don't think that's quite the reality. But he can

722
00:35:17,600 --> 00:35:20,160
Speaker 1: strike in ways that I would say are cleaner and

723
00:35:20,320 --> 00:35:23,080
Speaker 1: has sort of more variety. And then the other part here,

724
00:35:23,200 --> 00:35:27,200
Speaker 1: this is the big one, is just the takedowns. Oh

725
00:35:25,400 --> 00:35:25,640
Speaker 1: that is.

726
00:35:27,239 --> 00:35:29,239
Speaker 2: I was gonna ask you about it. Does Barberina have

727
00:35:29,320 --> 00:35:31,719
Speaker 2: some kind of sek sneaky takedown stat that I don't

728
00:35:31,719 --> 00:35:34,000
Speaker 2: know about? Because this this fight's going to be one

729
00:35:34,080 --> 00:35:35,880
Speaker 2: in the ground and pound from Marda, I mean, this

730
00:35:35,920 --> 00:35:36,800
Speaker 2: is where it's gonna happen.

731
00:35:37,000 --> 00:35:39,719
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean his takedown defense on average for Brian

732
00:35:39,760 --> 00:35:42,560
Speaker 1: Barberina is fifty five percent. I mean not great, not

733
00:35:42,600 --> 00:35:44,239
Speaker 1: great at all. And we got a guy like dos

734
00:35:44,280 --> 00:35:47,439
Speaker 1: Angos per fifteen minutes lands about two, so he's good

735
00:35:47,440 --> 00:35:51,680
Speaker 1: for just about not quite one around. I think that's

736
00:35:51,680 --> 00:35:54,160
Speaker 1: probably going to be the difference maker here. I could

737
00:35:54,200 --> 00:35:56,920
Speaker 1: really see a scenario, honestly, where Barberina is able to

738
00:35:56,960 --> 00:35:59,520
Speaker 1: like take the punches or the strikes and put dos

739
00:35:59,520 --> 00:36:03,560
Speaker 1: Angjos into trouble. But dos Ajos just knows that octagon.

740
00:36:03,680 --> 00:36:07,120
Speaker 1: He knows all the transitions to attacks, he knows exactly

741
00:36:07,160 --> 00:36:09,640
Speaker 1: what he's good at, he knows exactly what his assignment is,

742
00:36:09,920 --> 00:36:11,920
Speaker 1: and for the most part usually he's able to pull

743
00:36:12,000 --> 00:36:13,560
Speaker 1: least a version of that off, if not a great

744
00:36:13,640 --> 00:36:16,239
Speaker 1: version of it. I don't see a reason why that

745
00:36:16,280 --> 00:36:18,759
Speaker 1: wouldn't necessarily be in play here. I think he's going

746
00:36:18,800 --> 00:36:21,759
Speaker 1: to be just a guy who controls the fight physically

747
00:36:21,800 --> 00:36:23,759
Speaker 1: and then controls the terms of it over time and

748
00:36:24,120 --> 00:36:25,680
Speaker 1: does all of his defense.

749
00:36:26,360 --> 00:36:29,080
Speaker 2: For an action fighter, our DA's defense has always been

750
00:36:29,440 --> 00:36:31,080
Speaker 2: there when he needs it and when he wants to

751
00:36:31,120 --> 00:36:34,040
Speaker 2: need it. And yeah, I just can't see Barbarina being slower,

752
00:36:34,040 --> 00:36:35,560
Speaker 2: even with RDA coming up. In Wait. I think that

753
00:36:35,640 --> 00:36:38,000
Speaker 2: actually help OURDA from not having to make that cut.

754
00:36:38,160 --> 00:36:40,080
Speaker 2: You don't hold against him that he's three and five

755
00:36:40,160 --> 00:36:42,799
Speaker 2: since twenty eighteen, but this is the potential for Ourda

756
00:36:42,920 --> 00:36:45,440
Speaker 2: to bounce back look for big opportunities. The names he

757
00:36:45,480 --> 00:36:48,560
Speaker 2: mentioned this week at one seventy that he's particularly focused

758
00:36:48,560 --> 00:36:50,520
Speaker 2: on if he gets a win here our Conor McGregor,

759
00:36:50,640 --> 00:36:54,400
Speaker 2: Jorge Masvidal or Hamzet Chimayev. And the quote from our

760
00:36:54,440 --> 00:36:57,200
Speaker 2: Da is as a former champion, looking for guys like

761
00:36:57,239 --> 00:36:59,560
Speaker 2: this makes sense for me as a legend of the

762
00:36:59,600 --> 00:37:02,359
Speaker 2: sport want to fight other legends of the sport. I

763
00:37:02,400 --> 00:37:04,680
Speaker 2: only read that quote to you because they told Barbarina

764
00:37:04,719 --> 00:37:07,680
Speaker 2: about that quote and he said this, Luke, well, that's great.

765
00:37:07,719 --> 00:37:10,200
Speaker 2: I'm on a legend's tour. And the reason why this

766
00:37:10,320 --> 00:37:15,520
Speaker 2: works is because I'm also a legend. If you had

767
00:37:15,560 --> 00:37:18,040
Speaker 2: to put the word legend in the same sentence as

768
00:37:18,120 --> 00:37:20,959
Speaker 2: bam bam Barberina, what would be the context, Luke?

769
00:37:22,560 --> 00:37:26,600
Speaker 1: Uh? Does he have a molodorg as a mohawk? Right?

770
00:37:26,760 --> 00:37:29,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, but it's it's it's it's like a smaller version

771
00:37:29,040 --> 00:37:31,319
Speaker 2: this time around. He's He's like serious, right now, you know.

772
00:37:31,400 --> 00:37:33,719
Speaker 1: Okay, I mean I don't know. You know, I'm not

773
00:37:33,719 --> 00:37:35,839
Speaker 1: gonna sit here and demean him. I'm not gonna say

774
00:37:35,920 --> 00:37:41,759
Speaker 1: terrible things about him. But the reality is, you know,

775
00:37:43,680 --> 00:37:44,840
Speaker 1: you would have to. I mean, you'd have to have

776
00:37:44,840 --> 00:37:50,520
Speaker 1: a very expansive version of the definition of legend for

777
00:37:51,000 --> 00:37:52,799
Speaker 1: you know, for the fighting skills to incorporate him.

778
00:37:52,840 --> 00:37:55,720
Speaker 2: But I mean, liver King is an ancestral legend.

779
00:37:57,320 --> 00:38:03,120
Speaker 1: No, he's He's a d ball legend. Listen, Barbarina is

780
00:38:03,120 --> 00:38:05,000
Speaker 1: a real threat in this fight for a lot of

781
00:38:05,000 --> 00:38:08,879
Speaker 1: different reasons. Not because he has the same skills that

782
00:38:08,960 --> 00:38:11,960
Speaker 1: dos Angos has shown, although he does have some, certainly,

783
00:38:12,360 --> 00:38:15,560
Speaker 1: but because he just represents a very very tough, kind

784
00:38:15,600 --> 00:38:18,960
Speaker 1: of durable guy who you have to really take the

785
00:38:19,000 --> 00:38:21,279
Speaker 1: fight to to beat. I don't know if Doss can

786
00:38:21,320 --> 00:38:22,759
Speaker 1: stop him, to be honest, I mean he might. I

787
00:38:22,760 --> 00:38:24,880
Speaker 1: guess we'll see. I tend to think this one probably

788
00:38:24,920 --> 00:38:26,800
Speaker 1: could go the distance, and you might even see Barberina

789
00:38:26,840 --> 00:38:29,520
Speaker 1: steal around like this could be Like to your point

790
00:38:29,520 --> 00:38:32,680
Speaker 1: about the odds, this could actually be closer than folks realize.

791
00:38:32,719 --> 00:38:35,799
Speaker 1: It's just hard for me to see him stopping dos Angos. Yeah,

792
00:38:35,840 --> 00:38:37,920
Speaker 1: or taking two of three rounds from him, certainly not

793
00:38:37,960 --> 00:38:40,319
Speaker 1: all three. That that's the hard part. I just can't

794
00:38:40,400 --> 00:38:42,640
Speaker 1: look past. So I tend to think Doss wins.

795
00:38:42,719 --> 00:38:45,480
Speaker 2: I saw a quote from RDA saying, I'm actually happy

796
00:38:45,520 --> 00:38:47,040
Speaker 2: this is a three round fight, which you can think

797
00:38:47,040 --> 00:38:51,000
Speaker 2: in theory would benefit Barbarina if it benefits anybody. But

798
00:38:51,040 --> 00:38:53,720
Speaker 2: what Urda said is, look, if my last eight fights,

799
00:38:53,920 --> 00:38:56,000
Speaker 2: seven of them have been scheduled for five rounds. So

800
00:38:56,239 --> 00:38:58,120
Speaker 2: look here. You know he's moving back up and wait,

801
00:38:58,200 --> 00:39:01,160
Speaker 2: he's gonna be as healthy, comfortable and ready as ever.

802
00:39:01,480 --> 00:39:03,840
Speaker 2: Look for our DA to carve him up. But Barberina

803
00:39:03,880 --> 00:39:06,000
Speaker 2: go in the distance. From a betting standpoint, he might

804
00:39:06,000 --> 00:39:07,600
Speaker 2: be tough enough in this one. Look might he might

805
00:39:07,640 --> 00:39:08,799
Speaker 2: be at the end of the day. We'll see. We'll

806
00:39:08,800 --> 00:39:13,000
Speaker 2: see what happens here. Interesting flyweight tilt that we set

807
00:39:13,080 --> 00:39:17,080
Speaker 2: up here with potential title implications when number six Matteis

808
00:39:17,280 --> 00:39:20,880
Speaker 2: Nicolau a minus three to eighty favorite takes on the

809
00:39:21,000 --> 00:39:25,160
Speaker 2: always game Matt Schnell plus three ten. As you look

810
00:39:25,239 --> 00:39:28,080
Speaker 2: at the rankings at the moment, Figuredo is going to

811
00:39:28,120 --> 00:39:30,279
Speaker 2: take on number one Brandon Moreno for the fourth time.

812
00:39:30,520 --> 00:39:34,440
Speaker 2: You've got Pan Pantosia at two, KK, France at three,

813
00:39:34,920 --> 00:39:37,640
Speaker 2: roy Val and alex Pez right behind him. Luke, if

814
00:39:37,719 --> 00:39:41,080
Speaker 2: Nicolau can extend that win streak and that overall hot

815
00:39:41,080 --> 00:39:43,400
Speaker 2: stretches on which I believe is eleven wins in his

816
00:39:43,480 --> 00:39:46,800
Speaker 2: last twelve fights, how close? How close are we talking

817
00:39:46,840 --> 00:39:48,560
Speaker 2: title shot here? Because there's no one else in this

818
00:39:48,600 --> 00:39:52,040
Speaker 2: division which has had so much top end parody that's

819
00:39:52,080 --> 00:39:54,360
Speaker 2: been this hot as he has entering this one.

820
00:39:55,440 --> 00:39:57,880
Speaker 1: Yeah, and I think he'd be a fresh challenge. The

821
00:39:58,160 --> 00:40:00,680
Speaker 1: only issue is, obviously, a fight like this against Schnell

822
00:40:00,800 --> 00:40:03,839
Speaker 1: is designed both to see where he's at. Schnell had

823
00:40:03,840 --> 00:40:05,560
Speaker 1: to shave his head in order to make weight. But

824
00:40:05,640 --> 00:40:08,359
Speaker 1: is a good fighter, a good a tough test. I'm

825
00:40:08,400 --> 00:40:10,839
Speaker 1: getting past the guy like that who's action oriented as well.

826
00:40:10,920 --> 00:40:14,719
Speaker 1: I think if Nikolau can would boost his fortunes you

827
00:40:14,840 --> 00:40:18,400
Speaker 1: mentioned like, would it be a title number one contender

828
00:40:18,600 --> 00:40:22,960
Speaker 1: kind of thing. I still think that most fans just

829
00:40:23,040 --> 00:40:24,879
Speaker 1: don't know who he is, and so there's not gonna

830
00:40:24,880 --> 00:40:26,719
Speaker 1: be a lot of people clamoring for him to get

831
00:40:26,760 --> 00:40:28,879
Speaker 1: it again. We'll see what happens on Saturday to see

832
00:40:28,880 --> 00:40:30,960
Speaker 1: how much he can boost his fortunes with it. But

833
00:40:31,200 --> 00:40:33,680
Speaker 1: I do think what might happen is if he beats Schnell,

834
00:40:34,200 --> 00:40:36,440
Speaker 1: and I think the wrestling again, the grappling will be

835
00:40:36,480 --> 00:40:39,080
Speaker 1: a component there. Although Schnell's got you know, good triangles

836
00:40:39,120 --> 00:40:40,840
Speaker 1: and everything else, He's hardly some kind of scrub on

837
00:40:40,840 --> 00:40:44,319
Speaker 1: the ground. But I think if he can, he's going

838
00:40:44,400 --> 00:40:47,640
Speaker 1: to start the conversation about it. Like when Hadriguez, I

839
00:40:47,640 --> 00:40:51,120
Speaker 1: think beat would she beat Dern? That's when she began

840
00:40:51,200 --> 00:40:53,680
Speaker 1: to be like, hey, the title conversation needs to happen now.

841
00:40:53,719 --> 00:40:55,200
Speaker 1: Obviously it didn't work out for her in her last

842
00:40:55,200 --> 00:40:57,719
Speaker 1: fight against Lamosh, but you get the idea like that

843
00:40:57,760 --> 00:40:59,759
Speaker 1: got the ball rolling. I think it's going to get

844
00:40:59,760 --> 00:41:01,719
Speaker 1: the ball rolling for Nikolau if he can get a win.

845
00:41:02,040 --> 00:41:04,880
Speaker 2: Schnell rank seven, so you got a six versus a

846
00:41:04,920 --> 00:41:08,120
Speaker 2: seven here. Askar Askarov no longer in this division, so

847
00:41:08,600 --> 00:41:10,440
Speaker 2: could there be an opportunity to make a big leap

848
00:41:10,480 --> 00:41:12,280
Speaker 2: for the winder winner. We will see, but I certainly

849
00:41:12,360 --> 00:41:14,879
Speaker 2: like Nikolau's chances here as the betting favorite. We got

850
00:41:14,880 --> 00:41:16,400
Speaker 2: to get a pick in this heavyweight tilt that we

851
00:41:16,400 --> 00:41:20,719
Speaker 2: talked about. Tychoui Vasa a plus one eighty underdog exactly

852
00:41:20,920 --> 00:41:24,960
Speaker 2: ninety days removed come Fight night from that. I don't

853
00:41:24,960 --> 00:41:27,200
Speaker 2: want to say all time brawl against Cyril Gom, but

854
00:41:27,800 --> 00:41:30,600
Speaker 2: there was some all time oh boy moments in that brawl.

855
00:41:31,200 --> 00:41:33,040
Speaker 2: We talked about the big turnaround here he's taken on

856
00:41:33,080 --> 00:41:37,239
Speaker 2: Sergey Pavlojvich, who's hot is a minus two ten betting favorite.

857
00:41:37,360 --> 00:41:40,799
Speaker 2: They asked Ty specifically about that quick turnaround this time,

858
00:41:40,800 --> 00:41:43,440
Speaker 2: and Luke, it seems like the answer is more about

859
00:41:43,760 --> 00:41:45,560
Speaker 2: he wants to get one more fight in to have

860
00:41:45,640 --> 00:41:47,839
Speaker 2: money to get his six year old son something big

861
00:41:47,840 --> 00:41:50,279
Speaker 2: for Christmas. He wants to take off a bunch of

862
00:41:50,320 --> 00:41:52,680
Speaker 2: time to start the new year. So I feel like

863
00:41:52,719 --> 00:41:54,239
Speaker 2: this was a little bit more like, let me just

864
00:41:54,239 --> 00:41:56,879
Speaker 2: take an opportunity bank one more get back out there

865
00:41:56,920 --> 00:41:59,160
Speaker 2: show with you guys. I'm still it, but I am

866
00:41:59,760 --> 00:42:02,320
Speaker 2: not big, big concern. But you know I'm pretty concerned

867
00:42:02,360 --> 00:42:05,200
Speaker 2: here on a ninety day turnaround because of the damage

868
00:42:05,239 --> 00:42:08,319
Speaker 2: taken against Gon. I want to read you one quote

869
00:42:08,320 --> 00:42:09,920
Speaker 2: because I don't know if I understand it. Here he

870
00:42:09,960 --> 00:42:13,279
Speaker 2: was asked by ESPN and Australia about whether he felt

871
00:42:13,360 --> 00:42:16,319
Speaker 2: like he missed an opportunity to stop Cyril Gone during

872
00:42:16,360 --> 00:42:19,200
Speaker 2: that melee they had. He said I knew that Cyril

873
00:42:19,280 --> 00:42:21,759
Speaker 2: wasn't out. I know when I punched someone flush and

874
00:42:21,800 --> 00:42:24,360
Speaker 2: someone with that fitness to recover from being rocked. Fitness

875
00:42:24,360 --> 00:42:26,319
Speaker 2: plays a big part. And I knew that once he

876
00:42:26,360 --> 00:42:29,399
Speaker 2: started hopping around the back, he'd be back to normal.

877
00:42:29,440 --> 00:42:31,640
Speaker 2: If he was hopping around, so I let all my

878
00:42:31,880 --> 00:42:34,760
Speaker 2: guns out. I'm saying, if I let all my guns

879
00:42:34,800 --> 00:42:37,680
Speaker 2: out at that point, I would have shit myself in

880
00:42:37,760 --> 00:42:43,560
Speaker 2: there like I did. Anyway? End quote? Does in this case,

881
00:42:43,640 --> 00:42:47,640
Speaker 2: does shit yourself based on the context, mean gas out

882
00:42:47,640 --> 00:42:49,360
Speaker 2: and get stopped? Or does it does he did? He

883
00:42:49,440 --> 00:42:51,759
Speaker 2: literally have an rip Sarah Gusa.

884
00:42:51,480 --> 00:42:58,400
Speaker 1: Moment in there? Oh old goose God? He was fat?

885
00:42:58,880 --> 00:42:59,640
Speaker 2: Like, what does that mean?

886
00:42:59,719 --> 00:42:59,879
Speaker 1: Luke?

887
00:43:00,520 --> 00:43:03,000
Speaker 2: Here's the quote? And I knew that once he started

888
00:43:03,000 --> 00:43:05,520
Speaker 2: hopping around that he was back to normal. So if

889
00:43:05,560 --> 00:43:07,839
Speaker 2: I let all my guns out, I would have shit

890
00:43:07,920 --> 00:43:11,000
Speaker 2: myself in there like I did. Anyway? Was he at

891
00:43:11,040 --> 00:43:12,439
Speaker 2: your your pre show meeting, Luke?

892
00:43:13,960 --> 00:43:17,680
Speaker 1: My pre show meeting was solo? It was solo. I

893
00:43:18,040 --> 00:43:21,920
Speaker 1: you know, AUSSI slang is just different. I don't quite.

894
00:43:22,120 --> 00:43:25,000
Speaker 1: I don't think he means he actually defecated in his dungarees.

895
00:43:25,040 --> 00:43:26,720
Speaker 1: I don't think.

896
00:43:26,280 --> 00:43:30,040
Speaker 2: Okay, alright, Wow, put some venom in those shorts. Yeah

897
00:43:30,080 --> 00:43:33,280
Speaker 2: for sure, Luke Yes. Speaking of OSSI slang, he also

898
00:43:33,280 --> 00:43:36,239
Speaker 2: said about this quick turnaround, I've got a few niggles

899
00:43:36,440 --> 00:43:39,239
Speaker 2: that need to be attended to. I may I did

900
00:43:39,280 --> 00:43:41,279
Speaker 2: I just cancel myself. I don't even know what that means.

901
00:43:41,360 --> 00:43:43,919
Speaker 1: I literally don't even want to say that word.

902
00:43:44,200 --> 00:43:46,879
Speaker 2: Yeah. Please, it's way too close to the target. All right,

903
00:43:46,920 --> 00:43:50,520
Speaker 2: So here's the deal, ninety day fiance, quick turnaround? He's

904
00:43:50,520 --> 00:43:53,480
Speaker 2: an underdog? Does Tito i Vasa get back on track

905
00:43:53,840 --> 00:43:56,960
Speaker 2: against a legitimate rising contender here in Pavlovich.

906
00:43:57,280 --> 00:43:59,640
Speaker 1: I'm gonna say yes. You know, I normally go chalk

907
00:43:59,640 --> 00:44:02,239
Speaker 1: in the bed and our guy Ha came over at

908
00:44:03,040 --> 00:44:05,480
Speaker 1: dermiss A, CBS Sports HQ always kills me for it.

909
00:44:05,520 --> 00:44:08,920
Speaker 1: But this time I'm gonna go. I'm gonna go underdog. Now. Listen.

910
00:44:10,400 --> 00:44:13,120
Speaker 1: The reason why I'm saying that is because it is

911
00:44:13,320 --> 00:44:17,160
Speaker 1: very possible that Pavlovich in his UFC debut against Overheim

912
00:44:17,280 --> 00:44:19,239
Speaker 1: just was, you know, just had a poor showing for

913
00:44:19,280 --> 00:44:22,600
Speaker 1: his debut, like it it wasn't representative of what he

914
00:44:22,680 --> 00:44:24,480
Speaker 1: actually is. And in fact, what we've seen over the

915
00:44:24,560 --> 00:44:27,319
Speaker 1: last was it three or four five, since he has

916
00:44:27,400 --> 00:44:30,359
Speaker 1: looked more like himself, that could honestly be the real

917
00:44:30,440 --> 00:44:34,319
Speaker 1: reality here. I'm just not sure. I'm just not entirely sure.

918
00:44:34,360 --> 00:44:37,879
Speaker 1: I don't I'm not I don't have enough clear information

919
00:44:38,000 --> 00:44:40,960
Speaker 1: to say, ah, yes, this guy is the next big thing,

920
00:44:41,040 --> 00:44:43,359
Speaker 1: or however good he's gonna be at heavyweight. Tai tu

921
00:44:43,520 --> 00:44:45,640
Speaker 1: Vasa to me, is much more proven and gone is

922
00:44:45,680 --> 00:44:47,520
Speaker 1: you know, that's a that's a tough nut to crack like.

923
00:44:47,560 --> 00:44:50,919
Speaker 1: That's a very very difficult guy to find, to hurt,

924
00:44:51,000 --> 00:44:54,160
Speaker 1: to keep, to make sustained effort against, even in five rounds.

925
00:44:54,200 --> 00:44:56,680
Speaker 1: This is only a three round contest. I think Taicho

926
00:44:56,760 --> 00:44:59,960
Speaker 1: i Vasa, despite all of the you know, drinking out

927
00:45:00,120 --> 00:45:02,960
Speaker 1: shoes and pissing himself in the bed and everything else

928
00:45:03,000 --> 00:45:05,520
Speaker 1: he's done, it's actually a pretty talented guy who we

929
00:45:05,560 --> 00:45:09,480
Speaker 1: know has a good chin and big power, and I

930
00:45:09,640 --> 00:45:12,920
Speaker 1: tend to think that he probably has something for Pavlovich

931
00:45:13,000 --> 00:45:16,560
Speaker 1: in this contest. We shall see, But I just don't

932
00:45:16,560 --> 00:45:19,480
Speaker 1: have enough evidence to conclude yet that Pavlovitch is the

933
00:45:19,640 --> 00:45:20,720
Speaker 1: guy in this weight class.

934
00:45:20,800 --> 00:45:23,160
Speaker 2: Well, it's interesting about Pavlovich is even this is a

935
00:45:23,160 --> 00:45:25,040
Speaker 2: three round fight. Obviously, I think it's kind of buried.

936
00:45:25,040 --> 00:45:27,160
Speaker 2: We talk about that on Wednesday. But even though he

937
00:45:27,200 --> 00:45:29,600
Speaker 2: went five rounds in twenty seventeen the only time in

938
00:45:29,640 --> 00:45:32,760
Speaker 2: his career, and he actually won the Heavyweight Grand Prix

939
00:45:32,800 --> 00:45:35,759
Speaker 2: under the Fight Night's global banner, all five of his

940
00:45:35,880 --> 00:45:39,040
Speaker 2: UFC fights subsequently have ended in the first round. Right.

941
00:45:39,040 --> 00:45:40,680
Speaker 2: He got knocked out by over him in the debut,

942
00:45:40,680 --> 00:45:44,040
Speaker 2: as you mentioned, and has stopped four straight fighters in

943
00:45:44,080 --> 00:45:46,719
Speaker 2: the first round, Derek Lewis being the biggest name, but

944
00:45:46,800 --> 00:45:49,600
Speaker 2: it was also a weird fight. Fifty five seconds and

945
00:45:49,719 --> 00:45:53,840
Speaker 2: Lewis was done. Is this the potential here for Pavlovitch

946
00:45:53,960 --> 00:45:56,839
Speaker 2: to not get exposed? But like if Ty can take

947
00:45:56,880 --> 00:45:59,920
Speaker 2: him into late round two, third round and it's the

948
00:46:00,120 --> 00:46:04,279
Speaker 2: type of crazy, high paced, batshit, violent fight, does that

949
00:46:04,320 --> 00:46:07,000
Speaker 2: all play into tay tooy Vasa's hands. Regardless of our

950
00:46:07,040 --> 00:46:09,560
Speaker 2: fear that this this turnaround is pretty quick for the

951
00:46:09,640 --> 00:46:10,359
Speaker 2: damage you took.

952
00:46:10,719 --> 00:46:12,920
Speaker 1: The thing is Pavlovitch is kind of like a come

953
00:46:12,960 --> 00:46:17,200
Speaker 1: forward guy, which I tend to think, yes, that makes

954
00:46:17,280 --> 00:46:19,279
Speaker 1: him dangerous. I mean that, I'm no doubt about it.

955
00:46:19,360 --> 00:46:20,840
Speaker 1: Let me look at the highlights here when just the

956
00:46:20,880 --> 00:46:23,319
Speaker 1: pictures we're showing you it makes him dangerous, but it

957
00:46:23,360 --> 00:46:26,319
Speaker 1: also makes them susceptible to what Tay tuy Vasa does. Well,

958
00:46:26,960 --> 00:46:30,520
Speaker 1: so you know, if Tai Tuyvasa is not dialed in

959
00:46:31,080 --> 00:46:32,799
Speaker 1: and to your point, might just be taking a fight

960
00:46:32,920 --> 00:46:36,160
Speaker 1: to get I don't know, money, or just another one

961
00:46:36,160 --> 00:46:38,520
Speaker 1: if you can or you know not for reasons of

962
00:46:39,600 --> 00:46:44,320
Speaker 1: more normal appropriate matchmaking considerations. Well then we'll see what happens.

963
00:46:44,320 --> 00:46:48,520
Speaker 1: But I tend to think that there's enough questions about Pavlovich,

964
00:46:48,920 --> 00:46:52,120
Speaker 1: plus what we do know about his fight style in

965
00:46:52,280 --> 00:46:57,239
Speaker 1: conjunction with Tay tuy Vasa's sturdiness in these situations to

966
00:46:57,320 --> 00:46:59,279
Speaker 1: make me think this is a case where twue Vasa

967
00:46:59,320 --> 00:47:01,400
Speaker 1: should win. So could be an interesting one, but I

968
00:47:01,400 --> 00:47:03,400
Speaker 1: think ty Doovas might get his hand raised.

969
00:47:03,680 --> 00:47:05,520
Speaker 2: It's it's weird though, like we talked about where two

970
00:47:05,520 --> 00:47:07,680
Speaker 2: of us is going backwards in the rankings to try

971
00:47:07,680 --> 00:47:09,640
Speaker 2: to in one spot, but to try to get whatever

972
00:47:09,680 --> 00:47:12,560
Speaker 2: fight he could. But here's what I don't like about it,

973
00:47:12,680 --> 00:47:14,720
Speaker 2: Luke and we kind of tease on this theme Wednesday,

974
00:47:14,719 --> 00:47:17,520
Speaker 2: but but again ty was asked about it. So people

975
00:47:17,560 --> 00:47:19,400
Speaker 2: asked him like, okay, well, what's your what are your

976
00:47:19,400 --> 00:47:22,719
Speaker 2: thoughts on if John Jones gets in Ghanu, like where

977
00:47:22,760 --> 00:47:25,000
Speaker 2: if you beat Pavlovitch, where are you in that picture?

978
00:47:25,080 --> 00:47:27,440
Speaker 2: What about Cyril ghan who beat you? Like we know,

979
00:47:27,480 --> 00:47:30,200
Speaker 2: what does this win do for you? His response was literally,

980
00:47:30,239 --> 00:47:32,080
Speaker 2: I couldn't give a fuck what any of those guys do.

981
00:47:32,560 --> 00:47:34,440
Speaker 2: I fight for the paycheck. You know that, That's all

982
00:47:34,480 --> 00:47:37,600
Speaker 2: I fight for. Look, I just feel like we're too

983
00:47:37,760 --> 00:47:42,520
Speaker 2: far into modern mma where you're gonna have to be

984
00:47:42,560 --> 00:47:46,480
Speaker 2: a business man to navigate these waters, and you know,

985
00:47:46,520 --> 00:47:49,000
Speaker 2: with so much going against you, still in this fighter

986
00:47:49,040 --> 00:47:51,000
Speaker 2: pay era, where that's all we're talking about. Where if

987
00:47:51,040 --> 00:47:53,960
Speaker 2: you act I don't want to say like a company man,

988
00:47:54,000 --> 00:47:55,960
Speaker 2: but too much like a gaut show, like an old

989
00:47:55,960 --> 00:48:00,080
Speaker 2: school gunslinger and just take whatever, whatever, whatever. I don't know, Oh,

990
00:48:00,200 --> 00:48:02,719
Speaker 2: that's not the best business strategy when you have what

991
00:48:02,800 --> 00:48:06,000
Speaker 2: Tuivasa has, which is something there's a spark inside of

992
00:48:06,080 --> 00:48:08,759
Speaker 2: him that means he can compete against any heavyweight on

993
00:48:08,840 --> 00:48:11,879
Speaker 2: any night. He's got a super he's got some superhuman

994
00:48:12,120 --> 00:48:15,520
Speaker 2: intangibles in there. If he loses this fight, I really

995
00:48:15,520 --> 00:48:17,640
Speaker 2: think we're going to talk about, like why the hell

996
00:48:17,680 --> 00:48:19,480
Speaker 2: did you take that? Like maybe you should have a

997
00:48:19,520 --> 00:48:22,600
Speaker 2: better strategy on maximizing your brand and how that plays

998
00:48:22,600 --> 00:48:25,600
Speaker 2: into the rankings. Even if you're only so focused, like

999
00:48:25,640 --> 00:48:30,360
Speaker 2: you're mentioning his money, maybe a little bit more slicker

1000
00:48:30,480 --> 00:48:33,920
Speaker 2: navigation will lead to better money and bigger opportunities by

1001
00:48:33,920 --> 00:48:38,120
Speaker 2: being a little bit more judicious in your selection process.

1002
00:48:38,160 --> 00:48:39,880
Speaker 2: Am I making any sense here, luc Or? Is this

1003
00:48:40,000 --> 00:48:41,960
Speaker 2: just a cowboys sport? So get the hell out of

1004
00:48:41,960 --> 00:48:43,520
Speaker 2: the way, BC, or you're gonna get run over.

1005
00:48:44,320 --> 00:48:47,040
Speaker 1: Here's the thing in a cowboy sport, even though it's

1006
00:48:47,040 --> 00:48:49,960
Speaker 1: so chaotic, Like you can make a bad decision about

1007
00:48:49,960 --> 00:48:52,839
Speaker 1: why you take a fight and then still win and

1008
00:48:52,880 --> 00:48:54,480
Speaker 1: be like, oh, I guess it all worked out, and

1009
00:48:54,520 --> 00:48:56,440
Speaker 1: then you actually have to pay the piper later down

1010
00:48:56,480 --> 00:48:59,240
Speaker 1: the road. So like you could actually be right about

1011
00:48:59,239 --> 00:49:03,920
Speaker 1: this fight, get the wrong result, and then he has

1012
00:49:03,960 --> 00:49:06,479
Speaker 1: to pay for it later, even in a case where

1013
00:49:06,480 --> 00:49:08,759
Speaker 1: he took that fight for better reasons, you know what

1014
00:49:08,760 --> 00:49:10,759
Speaker 1: I mean. Like, there's just it's hard to know if

1015
00:49:10,760 --> 00:49:13,319
Speaker 1: you're right until it actually coincides with the results, which

1016
00:49:13,320 --> 00:49:15,279
Speaker 1: it may or may not. But I guess the thing

1017
00:49:15,280 --> 00:49:18,480
Speaker 1: I would say is it's a fair concern. But even

1018
00:49:18,560 --> 00:49:23,000
Speaker 1: with that concern, I don't know, Man, tuy Vasa. I

1019
00:49:23,000 --> 00:49:26,880
Speaker 1: think might surprise some folks. I don't think your concerns

1020
00:49:26,920 --> 00:49:28,160
Speaker 1: are crazy, I'll put it that way. I don't think

1021
00:49:28,160 --> 00:49:28,839
Speaker 1: they're crazy at all.

1022
00:49:29,239 --> 00:49:31,560
Speaker 2: No, and he may, you know, he may just go

1023
00:49:31,600 --> 00:49:32,960
Speaker 2: out there and punch a hole through them. And that's

1024
00:49:33,000 --> 00:49:34,200
Speaker 2: what it is at the end of the day. Who

1025
00:49:34,200 --> 00:49:36,279
Speaker 2: am I? Look, who am I to speak about that?

1026
00:49:36,600 --> 00:49:38,520
Speaker 2: I do want your pick on one more fight on here,

1027
00:49:38,520 --> 00:49:40,719
Speaker 2: and you can offer whatever else you're looking from this card.

1028
00:49:40,719 --> 00:49:42,160
Speaker 2: But to wrap here, Luke, you know I got my

1029
00:49:42,239 --> 00:49:45,800
Speaker 2: eyes on this buried early prelium in the women's flyweight

1030
00:49:45,840 --> 00:49:49,319
Speaker 2: division when Tracy Cortez and Amanda Heboss going there. It's

1031
00:49:49,360 --> 00:49:52,280
Speaker 2: a BC special on many levels, but this is also

1032
00:49:52,520 --> 00:49:55,520
Speaker 2: a pick them. They're both minus one ten on the

1033
00:49:55,560 --> 00:49:58,319
Speaker 2: betting lines. And you know, Tracy Cortes is twenty eight

1034
00:49:58,400 --> 00:50:01,319
Speaker 2: years old. She's ten and oh since losing her pro

1035
00:50:01,400 --> 00:50:03,960
Speaker 2: debut in twenty seventeen. That came in Victa. She got

1036
00:50:04,000 --> 00:50:10,560
Speaker 2: submitted by Sherri Mursaki. Murusaki, excuse me. Those of that

1037
00:50:10,600 --> 00:50:12,640
Speaker 2: ten fight win streak, though the last six have all

1038
00:50:12,680 --> 00:50:15,440
Speaker 2: been by decision, She says, Look, I was taken aback

1039
00:50:15,520 --> 00:50:17,680
Speaker 2: this at finding out this was in the early prelimbs,

1040
00:50:17,840 --> 00:50:20,160
Speaker 2: but I think this will be the fight that determines

1041
00:50:20,239 --> 00:50:22,680
Speaker 2: me moving up for good. I know I'm in the

1042
00:50:22,760 --> 00:50:25,320
Speaker 2: under estimated fighter. I think they need to remember that

1043
00:50:25,360 --> 00:50:28,080
Speaker 2: I'm a challenge as well. This is the right question

1044
00:50:28,160 --> 00:50:30,840
Speaker 2: for you, Luke, because sometimes when you're, you know, a

1045
00:50:30,880 --> 00:50:33,839
Speaker 2: good looking fighter, people are gonna kind of undervalue you.

1046
00:50:33,920 --> 00:50:36,480
Speaker 2: And now she's with Brian Ortega and there's some you know,

1047
00:50:36,640 --> 00:50:40,120
Speaker 2: celebrity hype that comes with that. She's also won her

1048
00:50:40,239 --> 00:50:44,640
Speaker 2: last ten. She's six and six straight here in the UFC.

1049
00:50:45,840 --> 00:50:48,799
Speaker 2: Is she being slept on a bit? Considering he boss

1050
00:50:48,840 --> 00:50:50,960
Speaker 2: has only fought twice at one twenty five and you know,

1051
00:50:51,000 --> 00:50:54,040
Speaker 2: you could argue this isn't her best way class. What

1052
00:50:54,120 --> 00:50:56,120
Speaker 2: are the odds here outside of what the betting oddsmen

1053
00:50:56,160 --> 00:50:58,640
Speaker 2: are telling you that Tracy Cortez surprises us and scores

1054
00:50:58,640 --> 00:50:59,480
Speaker 2: her biggest win to date.

1055
00:51:01,400 --> 00:51:04,239
Speaker 1: I think that the hesitancy is not that like when

1056
00:51:04,280 --> 00:51:07,000
Speaker 1: she's dealing it doesn't everything looks kind of right. I

1057
00:51:07,000 --> 00:51:09,239
Speaker 1: think in her last fight, and there's probably a series

1058
00:51:09,280 --> 00:51:11,920
Speaker 1: of reasons that it looked that way, she just looked

1059
00:51:12,000 --> 00:51:16,840
Speaker 1: a little bit unsure and unable to like truly elevate

1060
00:51:16,880 --> 00:51:20,680
Speaker 1: her offense to it's the next gear up. So she

1061
00:51:20,680 --> 00:51:23,720
Speaker 1: didn't look bad, like by no means by no, no, no,

1062
00:51:23,719 --> 00:51:27,240
Speaker 1: no means did she look poor. It was just like, okay,

1063
00:51:27,280 --> 00:51:29,799
Speaker 1: you got it done. But is there anything else that?

1064
00:51:30,239 --> 00:51:32,160
Speaker 1: There wasn't a lot of razzle dazzle, And again there

1065
00:51:32,160 --> 00:51:35,600
Speaker 1: could be a number of factors about, you know, some

1066
00:51:35,680 --> 00:51:37,719
Speaker 1: of the things you articulated about contributing to that. But

1067
00:51:39,400 --> 00:51:42,400
Speaker 1: he Boss has been like really good at times and

1068
00:51:42,400 --> 00:51:45,520
Speaker 1: then like really down at times, So like the odds

1069
00:51:45,520 --> 00:51:47,759
Speaker 1: have him as a pickham. But like with he Boss,

1070
00:51:47,840 --> 00:51:50,640
Speaker 1: it's like, okay, well, when she's on, she's really on,

1071
00:51:50,760 --> 00:51:52,640
Speaker 1: you can see it. And when she's down, it just

1072
00:51:52,680 --> 00:51:54,680
Speaker 1: you know, she looks like wow, how is this even

1073
00:51:54,719 --> 00:51:57,560
Speaker 1: the same fighter? Whereas Cortes is not as at least

1074
00:51:57,600 --> 00:51:59,719
Speaker 1: more recently, has not been as impressive, but it's a

1075
00:51:59,719 --> 00:52:02,799
Speaker 1: little bit more consistent throughout. And so that's what you're

1076
00:52:02,840 --> 00:52:04,840
Speaker 1: dealing with here, like what is this state? So I

1077
00:52:04,960 --> 00:52:08,799
Speaker 1: understand to an extent, I understand some of the skepticism

1078
00:52:08,840 --> 00:52:12,120
Speaker 1: around Cortes un fully endorse it, but I get some

1079
00:52:12,239 --> 00:52:18,200
Speaker 1: of it. I tend to I'm i don't know about

1080
00:52:18,200 --> 00:52:19,719
Speaker 1: this one. BC, do you have a read? I gotta

1081
00:52:19,719 --> 00:52:21,160
Speaker 1: tell you, like, of all the fights, I usually have

1082
00:52:21,200 --> 00:52:23,200
Speaker 1: a lean, I don't know if I have a strong

1083
00:52:23,320 --> 00:52:25,319
Speaker 1: lean in this one. I'm trying to find out more

1084
00:52:25,360 --> 00:52:28,960
Speaker 1: about them both, and I haven't seen it yet. I

1085
00:52:29,000 --> 00:52:30,520
Speaker 1: don't have a strong inclination.

1086
00:52:30,280 --> 00:52:32,319
Speaker 2: Like I get what she's saying. She's like, look, you know,

1087
00:52:32,640 --> 00:52:34,800
Speaker 2: and I was wrong. She's won all five UFC fights,

1088
00:52:34,800 --> 00:52:36,839
Speaker 2: not six, but she is on a six straight run

1089
00:52:36,840 --> 00:52:40,200
Speaker 2: of decisions. But it's like she's been, you know, clean sheet.

1090
00:52:40,280 --> 00:52:42,040
Speaker 2: And it's not like she hasn't beaten anybody. I mean,

1091
00:52:42,040 --> 00:52:45,279
Speaker 2: she gave Maria Agapova an early defeat when she was

1092
00:52:45,320 --> 00:52:47,640
Speaker 2: looking like a big thing. And she's got the only

1093
00:52:47,680 --> 00:52:50,319
Speaker 2: win over Aaron Blanchfield that was a split decision under

1094
00:52:50,320 --> 00:52:53,680
Speaker 2: the invictive banner back in twenty nineteen. But he Boss

1095
00:52:53,760 --> 00:52:57,359
Speaker 2: to Me is more complete, more explosive, and even though

1096
00:52:57,400 --> 00:53:00,200
Speaker 2: I don't necessarily love Amanda at this way, clise in

1097
00:53:00,200 --> 00:53:03,040
Speaker 2: comparison to one fifteen in terms of what's the best

1098
00:53:03,200 --> 00:53:06,320
Speaker 2: version of her. She did push Caitlyn Chukji into a

1099
00:53:06,360 --> 00:53:09,239
Speaker 2: split decision in her last fight in this division. The

1100
00:53:09,280 --> 00:53:11,680
Speaker 2: other win was a demolition of Page van Zet and

1101
00:53:11,680 --> 00:53:14,880
Speaker 2: her final UFC fight also at this way class, I

1102
00:53:14,920 --> 00:53:17,319
Speaker 2: am very surprised that this is a straight up pick them, Luke.

1103
00:53:17,880 --> 00:53:19,800
Speaker 2: When I look at this matchup, I think, Okay, Cortes

1104
00:53:19,800 --> 00:53:22,640
Speaker 2: has a lot to show us, but hebos for the

1105
00:53:22,719 --> 00:53:25,120
Speaker 2: times that look I thought she disappointed us when she

1106
00:53:25,120 --> 00:53:28,280
Speaker 2: got stopped by Marina Hardriguez. You know, maybe not the loss,

1107
00:53:28,320 --> 00:53:31,319
Speaker 2: but the stoppage at least I was shocked there. I

1108
00:53:31,400 --> 00:53:33,600
Speaker 2: still think he Boss is the better fighter. I love

1109
00:53:33,640 --> 00:53:35,920
Speaker 2: what this fight means for the future of the division

1110
00:53:35,920 --> 00:53:38,760
Speaker 2: here and sort of how even it is on paper.

1111
00:53:38,800 --> 00:53:41,520
Speaker 2: But I'm feeling Heboss here, and I'm feeling her big, Luke.

1112
00:53:41,800 --> 00:53:44,160
Speaker 2: Am I just a big jerk? I don't know, you know?

1113
00:53:44,560 --> 00:53:46,840
Speaker 1: Again? Do this is usually feel like I got some

1114
00:53:47,360 --> 00:53:49,600
Speaker 1: even of a small tingling. I usually win a one

1115
00:53:49,600 --> 00:53:52,319
Speaker 1: direction or the other. This one, I don't. I think

1116
00:53:52,480 --> 00:53:55,960
Speaker 1: just for fun, I'll take Cortes. But your case is strong,

1117
00:53:56,080 --> 00:54:00,719
Speaker 1: your case is good, like when when Heboss is you know,

1118
00:54:01,360 --> 00:54:04,399
Speaker 1: to the UBL the upper bound limit on her, it

1119
00:54:04,520 --> 00:54:08,200
Speaker 1: looked at times it has looked to be very high, right,

1120
00:54:08,440 --> 00:54:12,440
Speaker 1: very high, whereas Cortes kind of has this like accumulative

1121
00:54:12,480 --> 00:54:17,080
Speaker 1: greatness or this accumulative success, and so it feels a

1122
00:54:17,120 --> 00:54:20,000
Speaker 1: little less inspiring, but the results are pretty goddamn clean.

1123
00:54:20,120 --> 00:54:23,440
Speaker 1: So I'm gonna lean towards Cortes just for fun, but

1124
00:54:23,800 --> 00:54:26,160
Speaker 1: truly for me, a coin flip, truly a coin flip.

1125
00:54:26,560 --> 00:54:28,040
Speaker 2: Do you have any other fights you want to make

1126
00:54:28,080 --> 00:54:31,640
Speaker 2: picks from this intriguing UFC Orlando card top to box.

1127
00:54:31,880 --> 00:54:35,520
Speaker 1: The Angela Hill Ducatti one, to me is interesting. I

1128
00:54:35,640 --> 00:54:40,560
Speaker 1: think Hill could win that one. She is a slight underdog,

1129
00:54:40,920 --> 00:54:44,440
Speaker 1: but Ducatti is tough man. Ducatti's real good. I like

1130
00:54:44,520 --> 00:54:46,440
Speaker 1: that fight a lot. I'll lean towards Ducatt, even though

1131
00:54:46,480 --> 00:54:49,960
Speaker 1: I like Angela Hill quite a bit. Also, the Eric

1132
00:54:50,000 --> 00:54:53,279
Speaker 1: Anders Kyle Daucas fight, Daucas is to me a more

1133
00:54:53,320 --> 00:54:56,040
Speaker 1: skillful fighter. I like Daucas's game a lot, but he's

1134
00:54:56,040 --> 00:54:59,359
Speaker 1: coming back pretty quickly from a face break. And you know,

1135
00:54:59,600 --> 00:55:02,440
Speaker 1: your boy, Eric Anders is a little bit loose, a

1136
00:55:02,520 --> 00:55:05,320
Speaker 1: little bit wild at times, but he's a big, strong dude.

1137
00:55:05,840 --> 00:55:09,080
Speaker 1: So I think Doccas is going to win, should win.

1138
00:55:09,640 --> 00:55:12,800
Speaker 1: That one. Could get a little crazy at times too.

1139
00:55:12,680 --> 00:55:14,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, it could get harry and if it does for Daucas, Luke,

1140
00:55:14,960 --> 00:55:17,360
Speaker 2: even if he wins it's he's gotta he's got to

1141
00:55:17,400 --> 00:55:19,359
Speaker 2: share some things up. I mean that it was Roman

1142
00:55:19,400 --> 00:55:21,880
Speaker 2: Deliedze who punched who punched a hole in him? Uh

1143
00:55:22,040 --> 00:55:25,640
Speaker 2: that last fight out. So he's tough. He's the brother

1144
00:55:25,719 --> 00:55:29,160
Speaker 2: of heavyweight Chris Tacas. That's a correct correct, Yes, it's

1145
00:55:29,239 --> 00:55:30,120
Speaker 2: Philly tough, Luke.

1146
00:55:30,160 --> 00:55:33,279
Speaker 1: We know that this is it wasn't all right place.

1147
00:55:36,000 --> 00:55:39,720
Speaker 2: I mean, I mean it's on Philly.

1148
00:55:39,719 --> 00:55:41,240
Speaker 1: When was the last time you were in Philly?

1149
00:55:42,040 --> 00:55:45,600
Speaker 2: I bet I'd done time in Philly. It's a I mean,

1150
00:55:45,760 --> 00:55:48,560
Speaker 2: couldn't you get surprised? And as there certain charm, Yeah,

1151
00:55:48,600 --> 00:55:51,359
Speaker 2: but I mean as far as Northeast cities go, which

1152
00:55:51,400 --> 00:55:54,680
Speaker 2: I think has some of the you know, classiest cities,

1153
00:55:54,920 --> 00:55:57,400
Speaker 2: I mean it's it's it's not even close to New

1154
00:55:57,480 --> 00:55:59,120
Speaker 2: York or Boston, Luke in terms.

1155
00:55:58,920 --> 00:56:00,680
Speaker 1: Of I mean, New York City is got to claim

1156
00:56:00,719 --> 00:56:01,799
Speaker 1: as one of the best cities in the world.

1157
00:56:01,840 --> 00:56:03,920
Speaker 2: Okay, Well, Philly's in a tough spot between d C,

1158
00:56:04,120 --> 00:56:05,799
Speaker 2: which I just you know, had a little taste of

1159
00:56:05,840 --> 00:56:08,239
Speaker 2: in April and was like holy shit, outside of the

1160
00:56:08,280 --> 00:56:11,120
Speaker 2: price and the attitude from the service workers. Luke, what

1161
00:56:11,239 --> 00:56:13,880
Speaker 2: a freaking city you live in? This ain't d C,

1162
00:56:14,080 --> 00:56:16,160
Speaker 2: Boston or New York. And I know that's saying a lot,

1163
00:56:16,239 --> 00:56:19,520
Speaker 2: but to me, every other city, Baltimore, Philly, they're all

1164
00:56:19,560 --> 00:56:23,720
Speaker 2: the same below that level. Har Harford sucks, Luke, Okay Harford.

1165
00:56:23,800 --> 00:56:27,360
Speaker 1: Harford just sink it into the ocean already, just like Albany.

1166
00:56:27,520 --> 00:56:31,000
Speaker 1: I mean, come on, you know, just yeah, Albany sucks.

1167
00:56:31,040 --> 00:56:33,560
Speaker 2: I like Pittsburg a lot better than Philadelphia, Okay, Luke.

1168
00:56:34,360 --> 00:56:35,719
Speaker 1: Philly, I mean yeah, you know, if you got to

1169
00:56:35,760 --> 00:56:37,719
Speaker 1: compare it to New York and maybe even Boston, it's

1170
00:56:37,800 --> 00:56:39,480
Speaker 1: it's a tough thing, but I'll say this, for Philly,

1171
00:56:39,520 --> 00:56:41,879
Speaker 1: it's a lot cheaper than DC. It's a lot cheaper

1172
00:56:41,960 --> 00:56:42,319
Speaker 1: than DC.

1173
00:56:42,840 --> 00:56:44,400
Speaker 2: So are you con is that you know, is that

1174
00:56:44,480 --> 00:56:46,759
Speaker 2: on your future life option list? A potential move to

1175
00:56:46,840 --> 00:56:47,640
Speaker 2: Greater Bildelfia.

1176
00:56:47,719 --> 00:56:50,360
Speaker 1: My wife had, like, you know, toyed with the idea,

1177
00:56:50,400 --> 00:56:52,720
Speaker 1: but the reality is like we don't know anyone there,

1178
00:56:52,800 --> 00:56:55,279
Speaker 1: and it's still closer to the studio, but it's not

1179
00:56:55,320 --> 00:56:57,560
Speaker 1: really all like that close, you know, So probably I

1180
00:56:57,600 --> 00:56:57,920
Speaker 1: think you.

1181
00:56:57,840 --> 00:56:59,640
Speaker 2: Should take on the idea I had that, you know,

1182
00:56:59,719 --> 00:57:03,880
Speaker 2: that floor below our studio in Jersey City that was

1183
00:57:03,920 --> 00:57:05,759
Speaker 2: like empty. Remember we took those COVID tests there when

1184
00:57:05,760 --> 00:57:07,600
Speaker 2: that lady like jammed it up into my brain and

1185
00:57:07,719 --> 00:57:10,360
Speaker 2: was like having fun laughing at me and stuff. I

1186
00:57:10,400 --> 00:57:14,880
Speaker 2: think that they should, you know, uh reno those and

1187
00:57:14,960 --> 00:57:16,760
Speaker 2: make apartments for you and I.

1188
00:57:16,920 --> 00:57:18,640
Speaker 1: You know how often I would eat at that Taco

1189
00:57:18,760 --> 00:57:19,400
Speaker 1: bell if.

1190
00:57:19,320 --> 00:57:22,600
Speaker 2: They and you know, the MK doc will be a

1191
00:57:22,640 --> 00:57:24,560
Speaker 2: living doc at that point, Luke, you know, and we

1192
00:57:24,600 --> 00:57:26,600
Speaker 2: could spend you know, a few days a week there

1193
00:57:26,640 --> 00:57:29,439
Speaker 2: and I mean it could be it could be great. Yeah,

1194
00:57:29,440 --> 00:57:32,240
Speaker 2: there you go. Enjoy UFC Fight Night Orlando. A lot

1195
00:57:32,280 --> 00:57:34,240
Speaker 2: of other tasty dishes we talked about on Wednesday and

1196
00:57:34,240 --> 00:57:37,360
Speaker 2: the undercard yahs, me and horror Gay Luke. So that

1197
00:57:37,360 --> 00:57:42,320
Speaker 2: you're right in the opener against uh Estella Newness. That's

1198
00:57:42,360 --> 00:57:44,760
Speaker 2: gonna be interesting to see if she can continue to

1199
00:57:44,840 --> 00:57:46,280
Speaker 2: make some noise coming out of Mexico.

1200
00:57:46,320 --> 00:57:46,520
Speaker 1: There.

1201
00:57:46,600 --> 00:57:49,360
Speaker 2: Hey, let's go to Saturday. It's in the afternoon.

1202
00:57:49,760 --> 00:57:52,800
Speaker 1: By the way, it could be queggy like I don't know.

1203
00:57:52,840 --> 00:57:55,240
Speaker 1: I don't know if there has accents on what the

1204
00:57:55,840 --> 00:57:58,040
Speaker 1: you or the I there, so it wouldn't necessarily be

1205
00:57:58,080 --> 00:57:59,320
Speaker 1: qua ghe. It could be quaggy.

1206
00:57:59,640 --> 00:58:01,800
Speaker 2: Okay, I never noticed if I should call it a

1207
00:58:01,880 --> 00:58:05,000
Speaker 2: Jurido's or a hurritos, Luke, it's really good soda though, you.

1208
00:58:04,920 --> 00:58:09,080
Speaker 1: Know, Oh like the the orange and green one.

1209
00:58:09,240 --> 00:58:11,680
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, I like the tamarind one. That one's pretty good.

1210
00:58:11,720 --> 00:58:12,680
Speaker 1: You have never had it?

1211
00:58:13,240 --> 00:58:17,160
Speaker 2: All right, all right, Lucy goes down Saturday Tottenham Hotspurs

1212
00:58:17,320 --> 00:58:20,760
Speaker 2: Stadium there in Greater London and in the heavyweight Championship

1213
00:58:20,760 --> 00:58:22,720
Speaker 2: of the World in boxing is on the line when

1214
00:58:22,800 --> 00:58:27,800
Speaker 2: unbeaten Tyson Fury enters as a minus two thousand and

1215
00:58:27,920 --> 00:58:32,480
Speaker 2: five hundred betting favorite in this largely unnecessary we're.

1216
00:58:32,320 --> 00:58:33,960
Speaker 1: Gonna do this? Are we really going to break this

1217
00:58:34,080 --> 00:58:35,480
Speaker 1: fight down trilogy?

1218
00:58:35,880 --> 00:58:38,760
Speaker 2: With Derek Chesora a reminder, I believe the main card

1219
00:58:38,840 --> 00:58:42,560
Speaker 2: starts one pm Eastern on ESPN Plus in the afternoon.

1220
00:58:43,160 --> 00:58:46,800
Speaker 2: Uh yeah, so, Luca storylines wise, we already hit it.

1221
00:58:46,920 --> 00:58:48,840
Speaker 2: There's I wrote a calum on CBS Sports about it.

1222
00:58:48,880 --> 00:58:50,960
Speaker 2: I don't know what to do with Tyson Fury's comments,

1223
00:58:51,240 --> 00:58:53,880
Speaker 2: because you either take that mental health scare stuff like

1224
00:58:54,000 --> 00:58:58,280
Speaker 2: super seriously, or you're like, Okay, he's just spinning another

1225
00:58:58,320 --> 00:59:00,200
Speaker 2: web to get you to stop talking about how this

1226
00:59:00,240 --> 00:59:03,320
Speaker 2: fight shouldn't be here and kind of sucks. It sucks.

1227
00:59:03,360 --> 00:59:05,920
Speaker 2: They fought twice, the last time being twenty fourteen, and

1228
00:59:05,960 --> 00:59:07,840
Speaker 2: I'm looking back, I don't even think there was call

1229
00:59:07,920 --> 00:59:10,240
Speaker 2: for a rematch at that point, to be fair, because

1230
00:59:10,320 --> 00:59:12,840
Speaker 2: Chasoura historically, as much as I love del Boy, he's

1231
00:59:12,880 --> 00:59:16,200
Speaker 2: all about war when he steps up. Yeah, he gave

1232
00:59:16,360 --> 00:59:20,560
Speaker 2: Alexander Usak actually a good push in Usik's real first

1233
00:59:20,560 --> 00:59:23,480
Speaker 2: heavyweight fight after that quick tune up in the first one.

1234
00:59:23,800 --> 00:59:26,520
Speaker 2: But we know who he is that that rematch in

1235
00:59:26,560 --> 00:59:28,560
Speaker 2: twenty fourteen didn't even need to happen and he got

1236
00:59:28,600 --> 00:59:32,439
Speaker 2: stopped in that. This fight blows, So Luke, let's frame

1237
00:59:32,480 --> 00:59:35,320
Speaker 2: it like this. I think this is an unnecessary gamble

1238
00:59:35,320 --> 00:59:37,880
Speaker 2: from Tyson Fury and a lot of for a lot

1239
00:59:37,880 --> 00:59:40,360
Speaker 2: of reasons. You know, he's saying that he doesn't need

1240
00:59:40,360 --> 00:59:43,720
Speaker 2: the money. I get the narrative about like, if I'm

1241
00:59:43,760 --> 00:59:45,680
Speaker 2: not fighting, my mental health is going to go to

1242
00:59:45,720 --> 00:59:47,360
Speaker 2: shit and I'm in my life's going to be another

1243
00:59:47,400 --> 00:59:49,120
Speaker 2: you know, And I respect that, but I do have

1244
00:59:49,160 --> 00:59:52,360
Speaker 2: an I don't know response to the sincerity given how

1245
00:59:52,400 --> 00:59:55,840
Speaker 2: Tyson regularly operates, But when you take a chance in

1246
00:59:56,000 --> 00:59:58,600
Speaker 2: risk the money in the history which could be on

1247
00:59:58,640 --> 01:00:00,480
Speaker 2: the line if he wins, this and takes on Usik

1248
01:00:00,520 --> 01:00:03,680
Speaker 2: to open twenty twenty three, and you're risking it here

1249
01:00:03,920 --> 01:00:08,400
Speaker 2: like you already dodged a bullet. Tyson Fury twenty nineteen.

1250
01:00:08,840 --> 01:00:12,320
Speaker 2: In between fights one and two against Deontay Wilder, remember

1251
01:00:12,360 --> 01:00:15,640
Speaker 2: they they stretched out the build of that rematch. Fury

1252
01:00:15,680 --> 01:00:19,240
Speaker 2: fought twice and largely unnecessary fights against Tom Schwatz the

1253
01:00:19,280 --> 01:00:23,400
Speaker 2: first time, and then against unbeaten but unheralded Otto Valeen.

1254
01:00:23,480 --> 01:00:25,960
Speaker 2: And even though because of that performance we don't put

1255
01:00:26,000 --> 01:00:28,880
Speaker 2: Vlleen in the same category as like Surfing Safari and

1256
01:00:28,920 --> 01:00:34,080
Speaker 2: those other chumps that Fury fought. But a punch, a

1257
01:00:34,200 --> 01:00:37,600
Speaker 2: legitimate punch, opened up maybe the most vicious cut we've

1258
01:00:37,600 --> 01:00:39,960
Speaker 2: seen in popular boxing in a while, in a fight

1259
01:00:40,040 --> 01:00:43,600
Speaker 2: that wasn't stopped. Fury should have been stopped and lost

1260
01:00:43,640 --> 01:00:46,360
Speaker 2: by TKO. At really any point, I'll give him credit

1261
01:00:46,400 --> 01:00:48,920
Speaker 2: for biting down. He won a decision, He made it

1262
01:00:48,920 --> 01:00:51,720
Speaker 2: to the finish line against Volleen Luke. He almost lost

1263
01:00:51,720 --> 01:00:54,800
Speaker 2: his unbeaten record in lineal championship that night right there.

1264
01:00:54,880 --> 01:00:58,480
Speaker 2: That would have potentially cost him or delayed. These are

1265
01:00:58,520 --> 01:01:02,640
Speaker 2: different stakes, though, disputed fight against you know, against Usick,

1266
01:01:02,680 --> 01:01:04,600
Speaker 2: and look, I know that everybody close to Fury is like,

1267
01:01:04,760 --> 01:01:07,720
Speaker 2: don't listen to him. He wants Lusik fight. I'm nervous.

1268
01:01:07,760 --> 01:01:10,560
Speaker 2: I'm nervous that he beats Jasa and then goes Yep, guys,

1269
01:01:10,560 --> 01:01:12,760
Speaker 2: that's it. It's confirmed. I'm done for good. I'll see

1270
01:01:12,760 --> 01:01:15,680
Speaker 2: you in WW next year. I don't want Tyson to

1271
01:01:15,760 --> 01:01:19,200
Speaker 2: ruin this on his own accord or by Shazora upsetting him.

1272
01:01:19,320 --> 01:01:22,440
Speaker 2: How many times can you take an unnecessary risk like this, luke.

1273
01:01:24,520 --> 01:01:28,640
Speaker 1: A lot? I mean you can, I mean without it

1274
01:01:28,720 --> 01:01:29,120
Speaker 1: burning you.

1275
01:01:29,240 --> 01:01:31,760
Speaker 2: He almost got burned against Volleen, who turned out to

1276
01:01:31,760 --> 01:01:32,640
Speaker 2: be better than we thought.

1277
01:01:32,880 --> 01:01:35,240
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, although partly that was not just the way

1278
01:01:35,320 --> 01:01:37,480
Speaker 1: Volene thought. But as you indicated, you know, and we

1279
01:01:37,560 --> 01:01:39,440
Speaker 1: talked about many times, it was the cut. Like if

1280
01:01:39,440 --> 01:01:43,320
Speaker 1: there's no cut, that fight isn't quite as perilous, you know,

1281
01:01:45,360 --> 01:01:48,720
Speaker 1: I'll say this. We talked about it on Wednesday. Fury

1282
01:01:48,760 --> 01:01:51,880
Speaker 1: beat his ass once on the cards and then the

1283
01:01:51,880 --> 01:01:56,360
Speaker 1: second time Chazor's corner had to help him out, basically right,

1284
01:01:57,240 --> 01:02:00,520
Speaker 1: And that was a younger, better version of this version

1285
01:02:00,520 --> 01:02:02,800
Speaker 1: of who some people kind of poo poo, but is

1286
01:02:02,800 --> 01:02:05,560
Speaker 1: actually I think a pretty decent talent and you know,

1287
01:02:05,560 --> 01:02:08,480
Speaker 1: a big puncher and that kind of thing. There's no

1288
01:02:08,600 --> 01:02:12,240
Speaker 1: good reason Chizora should win this fight. Zero, he should

1289
01:02:12,240 --> 01:02:14,320
Speaker 1: not win this fight, which isn't say you won't, but

1290
01:02:14,360 --> 01:02:16,880
Speaker 1: there's really no good reason. B See, I share all

1291
01:02:16,920 --> 01:02:20,000
Speaker 1: of your concerns, let me stack another thing on top

1292
01:02:20,040 --> 01:02:22,200
Speaker 1: of it. And you hear a lot of fighters say this,

1293
01:02:22,320 --> 01:02:24,840
Speaker 1: especially in boxing, where they're fighting a guy they're not

1294
01:02:24,880 --> 01:02:26,480
Speaker 1: supposed to be fighting, and they do it to like

1295
01:02:26,600 --> 01:02:30,439
Speaker 1: defend themselves about why this guy has gotten the opportunity.

1296
01:02:30,960 --> 01:02:33,040
Speaker 1: And so what I'm about to tell you you've heard

1297
01:02:33,040 --> 01:02:37,560
Speaker 1: a million times. But it's Fury, and Fury is a showman,

1298
01:02:37,840 --> 01:02:41,200
Speaker 1: and Fury is a guy who, like Fury, wants to

1299
01:02:41,200 --> 01:02:43,880
Speaker 1: go in there and win and like do well, but

1300
01:02:43,920 --> 01:02:46,920
Speaker 1: he also wants to razzle, dazzle and entertain a little bit.

1301
01:02:48,480 --> 01:02:51,000
Speaker 1: He said to the media, like, dude, fuck all of

1302
01:02:51,040 --> 01:02:54,160
Speaker 1: these critics. They don't know what they're talking about. This

1303
01:02:54,240 --> 01:02:57,000
Speaker 1: fight is great and you just never know, you know,

1304
01:02:57,520 --> 01:03:00,160
Speaker 1: anything can happen in a boxing fight against a big

1305
01:03:00,200 --> 01:03:03,640
Speaker 1: puncher with a guy like Chazora. Now that's standard fair

1306
01:03:04,040 --> 01:03:06,360
Speaker 1: for what you hear in situations like this in MMA

1307
01:03:06,480 --> 01:03:09,720
Speaker 1: or boxing, but especially boxing. In the conditions aforementioned, which

1308
01:03:09,720 --> 01:03:14,120
Speaker 1: we find ourselves with this one. BC. I wonder, I

1309
01:03:14,320 --> 01:03:18,400
Speaker 1: wonder if Tyson Fury is not in shape all of

1310
01:03:18,520 --> 01:03:20,200
Speaker 1: and not ready to do this, and just doing this

1311
01:03:20,240 --> 01:03:23,200
Speaker 1: for all the wrong reasons. All of your concerns are

1312
01:03:23,240 --> 01:03:26,440
Speaker 1: in play. But let's say he actually is still good

1313
01:03:26,560 --> 01:03:30,200
Speaker 1: enough to win this, you know, blindfolded. Does he invite

1314
01:03:30,240 --> 01:03:33,400
Speaker 1: more risk than he's supposed to make the fight look

1315
01:03:33,480 --> 01:03:36,919
Speaker 1: more competitive in short, Carrie Chazora, to make the fight

1316
01:03:36,960 --> 01:03:40,720
Speaker 1: look a certain way, and by doing that court demise,

1317
01:03:41,080 --> 01:03:42,560
Speaker 1: does he like actually be like, you know, I'm gonna

1318
01:03:42,640 --> 01:03:45,720
Speaker 1: let this guy land on me a little bit, miscalculates

1319
01:03:45,800 --> 01:03:48,560
Speaker 1: and then the whole thing ends up being fucked up. Honestly,

1320
01:03:48,640 --> 01:03:51,080
Speaker 1: I wouldn't say that about about a guy like Anthony Joshua.

1321
01:03:51,080 --> 01:03:53,160
Speaker 1: I don't think he would invite risk that way. I

1322
01:03:53,160 --> 01:03:56,040
Speaker 1: wouldn't say it about a guy like you know, Robert Helenius.

1323
01:03:56,040 --> 01:03:57,919
Speaker 1: I wouldn't. I wouldn't really say that, or pick another

1324
01:03:57,960 --> 01:04:00,240
Speaker 1: heavyweight who think is a little bit more of a

1325
01:04:00,280 --> 01:04:04,960
Speaker 1: careful kind of puncher. But Fury, I think would absolutely

1326
01:04:05,000 --> 01:04:08,800
Speaker 1: do that. Fury would absolutely invite that kind of risk. Still,

1327
01:04:08,800 --> 01:04:12,440
Speaker 1: don't think that means Chazora is gonna win. But Fury

1328
01:04:12,520 --> 01:04:15,480
Speaker 1: says weird shit and he does things for weird reasons,

1329
01:04:15,760 --> 01:04:19,160
Speaker 1: and that always makes you a little bit nervous, does it?

1330
01:04:19,520 --> 01:04:21,640
Speaker 2: Like I watched the Carl Frampton interview he did to

1331
01:04:21,680 --> 01:04:23,800
Speaker 2: sit down with a BT Sport a couple weeks ago,

1332
01:04:24,240 --> 01:04:26,040
Speaker 2: and like the two quotes that just kind of haunt

1333
01:04:26,080 --> 01:04:28,160
Speaker 2: me in a way that like, man, I hope it

1334
01:04:28,200 --> 01:04:30,320
Speaker 2: makes me go, I hope he's just being a snake

1335
01:04:30,360 --> 01:04:33,160
Speaker 2: oil salesman, and I hope that he's exploiting his own

1336
01:04:33,240 --> 01:04:36,280
Speaker 2: challenges which may be birthed in some real, you know feelings,

1337
01:04:36,280 --> 01:04:38,480
Speaker 2: because he says he's trying to say he did retire

1338
01:04:38,480 --> 01:04:41,320
Speaker 2: in April, that it was legit, but you know, being

1339
01:04:41,360 --> 01:04:44,360
Speaker 2: back at home with nothing to do gave him that

1340
01:04:44,440 --> 01:04:47,000
Speaker 2: deep dark depression feeling that he had, you know, after

1341
01:04:47,080 --> 01:04:48,919
Speaker 2: the beating Clitch go and we know what happened next.

1342
01:04:49,160 --> 01:04:50,919
Speaker 2: But what he said, what I don't love is he said,

1343
01:04:50,960 --> 01:04:53,160
Speaker 2: like I have no motivation, I shouldn't be out there,

1344
01:04:53,800 --> 01:04:57,000
Speaker 2: And uh, what happens to me if I find somebody

1345
01:04:57,000 --> 01:04:59,000
Speaker 2: who's not in there, like I am just doing going

1346
01:04:59,000 --> 01:05:01,200
Speaker 2: through the motions and they're in there to feed their

1347
01:05:01,240 --> 01:05:03,400
Speaker 2: family and they come and fight. I'm in trouble, right like,

1348
01:05:03,440 --> 01:05:05,360
Speaker 2: And he said it in a way that was like, man,

1349
01:05:05,440 --> 01:05:09,160
Speaker 2: that's either like some top level acting in salesmanship or

1350
01:05:09,240 --> 01:05:10,920
Speaker 2: this is fucked up and you shouldn't be in there,

1351
01:05:10,960 --> 01:05:13,680
Speaker 2: because Frampton ended up as saying to him, Okay, I

1352
01:05:13,720 --> 01:05:15,720
Speaker 2: hear what you say about like you need this sport.

1353
01:05:16,360 --> 01:05:17,440
Speaker 2: How are you going to retire?

1354
01:05:17,480 --> 01:05:17,680
Speaker 1: Then?

1355
01:05:17,760 --> 01:05:20,400
Speaker 2: Like, how is it gonna end? And Fury looked at

1356
01:05:20,400 --> 01:05:22,600
Speaker 2: the camera and was like, to be honest with you,

1357
01:05:22,600 --> 01:05:25,440
Speaker 2: he'll probably end in death, meaning he can't see himself

1358
01:05:25,520 --> 01:05:30,280
Speaker 2: quitting this addiction, you know, and and you know it's

1359
01:05:30,440 --> 01:05:33,040
Speaker 2: I mean, it's some dark, grim shit. It's dark and

1360
01:05:33,080 --> 01:05:35,720
Speaker 2: grim if you're using it in an exploit of nature

1361
01:05:35,760 --> 01:05:37,920
Speaker 2: to sell the fight. If you're telling it straight on

1362
01:05:38,000 --> 01:05:42,080
Speaker 2: and real and honest, it's a dark, grim reality. All

1363
01:05:42,120 --> 01:05:44,400
Speaker 2: that probably means Fury knocks himut in three rounds Luke,

1364
01:05:44,440 --> 01:05:46,680
Speaker 2: But wow, I guess he did succeed in getting us

1365
01:05:46,920 --> 01:05:48,600
Speaker 2: talking about it one way or the other. This is

1366
01:05:48,640 --> 01:05:50,960
Speaker 2: a weird fight, man, The only really good I mean, just.

1367
01:05:50,920 --> 01:05:53,680
Speaker 1: Think about how stupid this fight is, right, think about

1368
01:05:53,680 --> 01:05:56,120
Speaker 1: how stupid it is. The only way to sell it

1369
01:05:56,160 --> 01:05:59,680
Speaker 1: is to be like, hey, if I quit boxing, I

1370
01:05:59,760 --> 01:06:05,360
Speaker 1: will spiral into a terrible you know, horrible addiction, you know,

1371
01:06:05,600 --> 01:06:10,400
Speaker 1: death spiral in its own way. And yeah, that's probably

1372
01:06:10,600 --> 01:06:12,800
Speaker 1: not the best way to fight someone. So that makes

1373
01:06:12,880 --> 01:06:15,600
Speaker 1: it more even, like that's literally the only way to

1374
01:06:15,600 --> 01:06:17,600
Speaker 1: fucking sell this fighting. It's crazy. I like that either.

1375
01:06:17,800 --> 01:06:21,320
Speaker 2: That is boxing though, plus twelve hundred. Jesora the betting underdog,

1376
01:06:21,400 --> 01:06:24,840
Speaker 2: minus twenty five hundred for Fury, reminder of the Daniel

1377
01:06:24,880 --> 01:06:26,960
Speaker 2: Dubois in that comin event, and he's a minus sixteen

1378
01:06:27,040 --> 01:06:29,920
Speaker 2: hundred favorite against Kevin Lorena, who has looked pretty good

1379
01:06:29,920 --> 01:06:32,720
Speaker 2: of late and has beaten those type of like secondary

1380
01:06:32,840 --> 01:06:35,800
Speaker 2: former names who are tough but washed to get to

1381
01:06:35,840 --> 01:06:37,520
Speaker 2: this point. This is a big step up. Let's see

1382
01:06:37,520 --> 01:06:39,000
Speaker 2: what he can do to wash your win. We'll check

1383
01:06:39,040 --> 01:06:41,320
Speaker 2: it out. But Luke, the main event boxing wise this

1384
01:06:41,400 --> 01:06:45,200
Speaker 2: weekend is Saturday night. The Zone's gonna give it to you.

1385
01:06:45,960 --> 01:06:49,160
Speaker 2: It's from that same arena in Phoenix that we watched

1386
01:06:49,320 --> 01:06:52,919
Speaker 2: Jake Paul and Anderson Silva just outside there in Glendale, Arizona,

1387
01:06:53,000 --> 01:06:56,720
Speaker 2: and it's the third time, hopefully the charm of continuing

1388
01:06:56,800 --> 01:07:00,000
Speaker 2: and cementing this as one of the best boxing rivalry

1389
01:07:00,480 --> 01:07:03,640
Speaker 2: in this modern era for all the marbles in a sense.

1390
01:07:03,680 --> 01:07:08,080
Speaker 2: At one fifteen super flyweight as Jan Francisco Estrada's WBC

1391
01:07:08,240 --> 01:07:10,400
Speaker 2: title will be on the line. Also, the sort of

1392
01:07:10,440 --> 01:07:14,200
Speaker 2: mythical lineal championship is as well when he welcomes for

1393
01:07:14,240 --> 01:07:18,520
Speaker 2: a third time the Nicaraguan legend Roman Choco Latito Gonzalez.

1394
01:07:19,160 --> 01:07:22,080
Speaker 2: Damn do I love these two fighters? Damn do I

1395
01:07:22,120 --> 01:07:23,160
Speaker 2: love this rivalry?

1396
01:07:23,760 --> 01:07:23,920
Speaker 3: Uh?

1397
01:07:24,000 --> 01:07:27,080
Speaker 2: Luke you you were whole hum like, yeah, man, probably

1398
01:07:27,120 --> 01:07:29,000
Speaker 2: be the worst fighter of the three. Blah blah blah.

1399
01:07:29,040 --> 01:07:32,120
Speaker 2: Everyone the two fighters. Eddie Hearn is saying this will

1400
01:07:32,120 --> 01:07:34,720
Speaker 2: be the best of the three. Okay, they're motivated salesmanship.

1401
01:07:34,760 --> 01:07:36,760
Speaker 2: I well say that. But the thing about if you

1402
01:07:36,840 --> 01:07:39,480
Speaker 2: listen to the interviews of both fighters is they're not

1403
01:07:39,600 --> 01:07:41,880
Speaker 2: overly selling this fight. They have respect for each other,

1404
01:07:42,080 --> 01:07:45,200
Speaker 2: but they are telling you straight up we're going to war.

1405
01:07:45,320 --> 01:07:47,960
Speaker 2: We have twenty four rounds as evidence that that is

1406
01:07:48,000 --> 01:07:50,400
Speaker 2: gonna be the case. I was gonna sort of set

1407
01:07:50,400 --> 01:07:52,120
Speaker 2: this up on a next as an o standpoint and

1408
01:07:52,400 --> 01:07:55,440
Speaker 2: ponder what the age though, because Chocko Latito not getting

1409
01:07:55,440 --> 01:07:58,560
Speaker 2: any younger. But Luke don't forget a lot of people

1410
01:07:58,600 --> 01:08:00,560
Speaker 2: thought he won the rematch in twenty two, twenty one,

1411
01:08:00,920 --> 01:08:04,720
Speaker 2: So the odds makers have Chocolatito as a minus two

1412
01:08:04,760 --> 01:08:07,600
Speaker 2: to twenty five favorite, which shocks me here against the

1413
01:08:07,640 --> 01:08:10,840
Speaker 2: plus one to seventy five one Francisco Estrada. It doesn't

1414
01:08:10,880 --> 01:08:15,919
Speaker 2: shock me because look, Chocolatito won the first one twenty twelve, right,

1415
01:08:16,400 --> 01:08:18,160
Speaker 2: and I thought he won the second one, so you

1416
01:08:18,240 --> 01:08:21,040
Speaker 2: get that. But look he's he poured it out in

1417
01:08:21,080 --> 01:08:23,919
Speaker 2: that second fight. In fact, when they fought March thirteenth,

1418
01:08:23,960 --> 01:08:27,559
Speaker 2: twenty twenty one, in Dallas, a split decision win for Estrata,

1419
01:08:27,880 --> 01:08:30,439
Speaker 2: the one seventeen one eleven scorecard for Estrata didn't make

1420
01:08:30,439 --> 01:08:34,080
Speaker 2: any sense. But they each traded one fifteen one thirteen scorecards.

1421
01:08:34,400 --> 01:08:36,679
Speaker 2: Do you know they combined for a weight class record

1422
01:08:36,920 --> 01:08:40,639
Speaker 2: two thousand, five hundred twenty nine punches thrown. They combined

1423
01:08:40,680 --> 01:08:43,880
Speaker 2: to land seven h five Aestrata through a career high

1424
01:08:43,920 --> 01:08:48,280
Speaker 2: twelve hundred punches, and Gonzales had the advantage overall three

1425
01:08:48,400 --> 01:08:52,439
Speaker 2: ninety one to three fourteen included according to CompuBox, including

1426
01:08:52,479 --> 01:08:55,599
Speaker 2: chocolate Tito lending forty percent of his power shots, so

1427
01:08:55,800 --> 01:08:57,920
Speaker 2: I'm here to tell you that he's been the better

1428
01:08:58,000 --> 01:09:01,920
Speaker 2: man in this rivalry. Historic he's a little bit better.

1429
01:09:02,000 --> 01:09:04,439
Speaker 2: Although these are two legends of the smaller weight classes,

1430
01:09:04,720 --> 01:09:08,559
Speaker 2: but Estrada's fresher, closer to the pound for pound list

1431
01:09:08,600 --> 01:09:10,439
Speaker 2: at the moment, some people have him in the top ten,

1432
01:09:10,960 --> 01:09:13,880
Speaker 2: and Luke, he's riding a seven fight win streak as well.

1433
01:09:14,479 --> 01:09:16,679
Speaker 2: Why do you how do you sort of make how

1434
01:09:16,720 --> 01:09:18,519
Speaker 2: we look at this with the age and the time,

1435
01:09:18,560 --> 01:09:20,600
Speaker 2: because you know they should have read they should have

1436
01:09:20,640 --> 01:09:22,200
Speaker 2: the third fight twenty twenty one, but here we are

1437
01:09:22,200 --> 01:09:23,000
Speaker 2: a couple years later.

1438
01:09:25,000 --> 01:09:27,000
Speaker 1: Again, I don't have a whole I mean, you set

1439
01:09:27,000 --> 01:09:29,639
Speaker 1: it up well, Listen, I'm not telling you it's gonna

1440
01:09:29,680 --> 01:09:32,439
Speaker 1: be a bad fight. I'm I'm telling you it's gonna

1441
01:09:32,439 --> 01:09:34,240
Speaker 1: be a good fight. It's gonna be it might be

1442
01:09:34,280 --> 01:09:36,760
Speaker 1: a great one that's on the table. What I'm trying

1443
01:09:36,760 --> 01:09:39,160
Speaker 1: to tell you is like, am I like super thrilled

1444
01:09:39,240 --> 01:09:42,519
Speaker 1: for it or something? I don't know that I would

1445
01:09:42,520 --> 01:09:46,120
Speaker 1: say that necessarily, Like, you know, Roman Gonzalez is an

1446
01:09:46,120 --> 01:09:50,200
Speaker 1: incredible fighter. If you've never seen Chocolatito, like just dude,

1447
01:09:50,280 --> 01:09:55,920
Speaker 1: impeccable footwork, ring craft for fucking days. I mean just

1448
01:09:55,960 --> 01:09:58,040
Speaker 1: a joy to watch, and it was indicated on Wednesday.

1449
01:09:58,439 --> 01:10:00,800
Speaker 1: Was he thirty five at this time? I just don't

1450
01:10:00,840 --> 01:10:03,920
Speaker 1: see guys this age doing what he's doing. Now, you know,

1451
01:10:04,000 --> 01:10:06,599
Speaker 1: I don't know, by the way, is VADA testing involved here?

1452
01:10:06,600 --> 01:10:09,040
Speaker 1: Do you know? I do not know? Yeah, I mean

1453
01:10:09,080 --> 01:10:11,439
Speaker 1: probably not right, Like, so you know, I'm not sure

1454
01:10:11,479 --> 01:10:13,240
Speaker 1: what the hell's happening with all of that, but you

1455
01:10:13,280 --> 01:10:15,280
Speaker 1: get the idea, like he is certainly a marvel in

1456
01:10:15,320 --> 01:10:18,000
Speaker 1: many many ways, and so for that reason alone he

1457
01:10:18,120 --> 01:10:20,560
Speaker 1: is worth watching. But since their fight, which again it

1458
01:10:20,640 --> 01:10:23,840
Speaker 1: was a disputed decision loss, or the rematch anyway, a

1459
01:10:23,840 --> 01:10:28,000
Speaker 1: disputed decision loss, we saw Choko Latito fight again and

1460
01:10:28,000 --> 01:10:30,760
Speaker 1: he looked great. And then we saw a Strata fight

1461
01:10:32,640 --> 01:10:34,640
Speaker 1: Cortez is his name. Yeah, you can watch some of

1462
01:10:34,640 --> 01:10:38,120
Speaker 1: the footage online. He looked like ass.

1463
01:10:38,000 --> 01:10:41,719
Speaker 2: Yeah close too once fifteen one twelve and one fourteen

1464
01:10:41,760 --> 01:10:42,400
Speaker 2: one thirteen.

1465
01:10:42,600 --> 01:10:44,960
Speaker 1: Right, it didn't look great. So like for me, it's

1466
01:10:45,000 --> 01:10:47,599
Speaker 1: like between the disputed decisions and then what we've seen

1467
01:10:47,680 --> 01:10:50,519
Speaker 1: since then, yes, one thirty two, one thirty five. Now

1468
01:10:50,520 --> 01:10:52,559
Speaker 1: there's exactly a young guy for the division, and but

1469
01:10:52,600 --> 01:10:55,200
Speaker 1: one guy is you know, certainly older, and significantly so

1470
01:10:55,320 --> 01:10:58,960
Speaker 1: given the weight class. I I just don't believe the

1471
01:10:59,000 --> 01:11:01,840
Speaker 1: Strata can win, and I realized that maybe I'm I'm

1472
01:11:01,960 --> 01:11:04,840
Speaker 1: oversimplifying it. Fine, I'm oversimplifying it and I'm wrong. If

1473
01:11:04,840 --> 01:11:06,679
Speaker 1: he happens to win on Monday, I will eat Crow

1474
01:11:06,760 --> 01:11:08,920
Speaker 1: for my myopia. I had to do it on Monday.

1475
01:11:09,080 --> 01:11:11,839
Speaker 1: I might do it a consecutive Monday in different ways.

1476
01:11:11,960 --> 01:11:14,840
Speaker 1: But I just think Gonzalez is better. I think he's

1477
01:11:14,880 --> 01:11:16,800
Speaker 1: going to show you that he's better. I think he

1478
01:11:16,880 --> 01:11:19,240
Speaker 1: might even end up stopping him here, which was a

1479
01:11:19,240 --> 01:11:22,080
Speaker 1: little bit crazy as well. I think he I think

1480
01:11:22,120 --> 01:11:24,599
Speaker 1: he's the king of these two, and I think he's

1481
01:11:24,600 --> 01:11:26,640
Speaker 1: gonna prove it without a ton of he is.

1482
01:11:27,439 --> 01:11:28,720
Speaker 2: Look, he is the king of these two when they

1483
01:11:28,720 --> 01:11:31,120
Speaker 2: fought in their prime earlier. Although it was literally for

1484
01:11:31,280 --> 01:11:33,840
Speaker 2: Estrata that he showed you that, he showed you that

1485
01:11:33,880 --> 01:11:36,360
Speaker 2: in the last fight. It's just it's been almost two

1486
01:11:36,479 --> 01:11:38,439
Speaker 2: years since that last fight, so we're asking a lot

1487
01:11:38,479 --> 01:11:40,439
Speaker 2: of this thirty five year old in Chocola Tito, although

1488
01:11:40,439 --> 01:11:43,759
Speaker 2: a legend, although seemingly has gotten the better of Estrata

1489
01:11:43,800 --> 01:11:45,439
Speaker 2: to do it one more time. In my opinion, that's

1490
01:11:45,439 --> 01:11:48,240
Speaker 2: why I'm a little surprised that it's minus two twenty five,

1491
01:11:48,600 --> 01:11:50,040
Speaker 2: but I want to put a little bit of respect

1492
01:11:50,040 --> 01:11:52,559
Speaker 2: back on Astrata's name. Thirty two years old, forty three

1493
01:11:52,600 --> 01:11:55,840
Speaker 2: and three, twenty eight KOs. And here's the cool stat

1494
01:11:56,520 --> 01:12:00,839
Speaker 2: He's ten and one since that twenty twelve close decision

1495
01:12:00,840 --> 01:12:03,559
Speaker 2: loss to choc Latito in their first meeting. The only

1496
01:12:03,680 --> 01:12:07,120
Speaker 2: loss was against fellow legend Srisa Catsur rung Vasai by

1497
01:12:07,200 --> 01:12:11,720
Speaker 2: majority decision, of which Estrada went on to avenge in

1498
01:12:11,800 --> 01:12:13,840
Speaker 2: the Fight of the Year three years ago. And in

1499
01:12:13,880 --> 01:12:16,759
Speaker 2: that ten to one stretch over the last ten years,

1500
01:12:17,040 --> 01:12:22,160
Speaker 2: he's beating Brian Valoria, Milan Melindo, Giovanni Segura, Hernan Marquez,

1501
01:12:22,240 --> 01:12:27,240
Speaker 2: Carlos Quadris SSR. And chocol Latito, even with the disputed scores.

1502
01:12:27,320 --> 01:12:29,960
Speaker 2: So we are also talking about a legend of the

1503
01:12:30,000 --> 01:12:33,120
Speaker 2: smaller weight classes. Is that freshness a little bit more?

1504
01:12:33,120 --> 01:12:34,400
Speaker 2: I think you have to do look back at that

1505
01:12:34,800 --> 01:12:36,680
Speaker 2: second fight and say what went wrong for him? It

1506
01:12:36,720 --> 01:12:39,080
Speaker 2: was a close fight, It was a great fight. Those

1507
01:12:39,120 --> 01:12:41,720
Speaker 2: two fifteen thirteen scorecards, and either way tell you that

1508
01:12:42,520 --> 01:12:44,799
Speaker 2: even though I like Gonzalez better, who had the advantage

1509
01:12:44,840 --> 01:12:47,519
Speaker 2: in the punchdats and poured it on down the stretch

1510
01:12:47,600 --> 01:12:50,759
Speaker 2: for an old guy. To me, this is an absolute

1511
01:12:50,760 --> 01:12:52,680
Speaker 2: pick them and I can't wait to see it. These

1512
01:12:52,720 --> 01:12:55,200
Speaker 2: are this is you know. I hope they offer a

1513
01:12:55,200 --> 01:12:57,320
Speaker 2: third one that's the best, Luke. And we look at

1514
01:12:57,320 --> 01:13:00,760
Speaker 2: this rivalry as you know what it deserves for these

1515
01:13:00,800 --> 01:13:02,719
Speaker 2: two guys given it to us. I can't believe Chocola

1516
01:13:02,760 --> 01:13:05,720
Speaker 2: Tito's still here. Get ready. Saturday night is going to

1517
01:13:05,760 --> 01:13:06,960
Speaker 2: be a lot of fun and I look forward to

1518
01:13:07,000 --> 01:13:10,120
Speaker 2: hearing Todd Grisham's exciting voice on that call. Luke, He's

1519
01:13:10,240 --> 01:13:13,759
Speaker 2: made for this as well. All right, Chocolate Tito fifty

1520
01:13:13,800 --> 01:13:17,200
Speaker 2: one and three, but what three division champion? Just love

1521
01:13:17,240 --> 01:13:19,679
Speaker 2: that badass, all right, Luke. Topic two is our previewing

1522
01:13:19,720 --> 01:13:23,400
Speaker 2: prediction for one on Prime Video five. It goes on,

1523
01:13:24,360 --> 01:13:25,320
Speaker 2: is this Saturday night?

1524
01:13:25,720 --> 01:13:26,519
Speaker 1: No, it's tonight.

1525
01:13:26,920 --> 01:13:30,880
Speaker 2: Oh it's tonight. Excuse me at the in Passei, Philippines,

1526
01:13:31,400 --> 01:13:32,439
Speaker 2: and we just say, like.

1527
01:13:32,760 --> 01:13:36,880
Speaker 1: This card is good, really good, and there's no buzz.

1528
01:13:37,240 --> 01:13:38,080
Speaker 1: There's no buzz.

1529
01:13:38,120 --> 01:13:40,120
Speaker 2: There's no buzz. Actually a really good card. So this

1530
01:13:40,200 --> 01:13:43,280
Speaker 2: main event is a very good light heavyweight championship out

1531
01:13:43,479 --> 01:13:47,240
Speaker 2: when unbeaten two division title holder Rainier de Ritter, the

1532
01:13:47,640 --> 01:13:50,439
Speaker 2: Dutch Knight himself, is gonna welcome in, as you ted

1533
01:13:50,520 --> 01:13:55,360
Speaker 2: up earlier, an absolute hammer and Anatony Malikin. Mallikin. Do

1534
01:13:55,400 --> 01:13:56,720
Speaker 2: you have a proper pronunciation on there?

1535
01:13:57,160 --> 01:13:59,960
Speaker 1: They say on the broadcast, Mallekin, But you know he's rushing,

1536
01:14:00,000 --> 01:14:00,640
Speaker 1: and so who is Jo?

1537
01:14:01,040 --> 01:14:03,960
Speaker 2: Mallakin's thirty four years old from Russia, ten and oh

1538
01:14:04,160 --> 01:14:07,120
Speaker 2: with seven KOs is the is the run he's on

1539
01:14:07,320 --> 01:14:10,280
Speaker 2: entering this. He's won all three fights in one championship,

1540
01:14:10,640 --> 01:14:14,040
Speaker 2: all by early stoppage, two first round knockouts and one

1541
01:14:14,160 --> 01:14:17,679
Speaker 2: early in the second round. But luke we I'm starting

1542
01:14:17,720 --> 01:14:20,120
Speaker 2: to figure out who our dr is. And this is

1543
01:14:20,120 --> 01:14:23,280
Speaker 2: a guy whose overall record is sixteen and oh, he's

1544
01:14:23,320 --> 01:14:26,559
Speaker 2: got two world titles, he's outspoken about wanting to eventually

1545
01:14:26,600 --> 01:14:28,880
Speaker 2: move up to heavyweight to get a third, and he's

1546
01:14:28,920 --> 01:14:33,600
Speaker 2: got fourteen stoppages in those sixteen wins, including eleven by submission.

1547
01:14:33,880 --> 01:14:37,559
Speaker 2: This is all damn good fight tonight, Deritter trying to

1548
01:14:37,560 --> 01:14:38,960
Speaker 2: hang on to this light heavyweight belt.

1549
01:14:40,360 --> 01:14:43,320
Speaker 1: Love this fight, Love De Ritter, and this dude Malakan,

1550
01:14:43,520 --> 01:14:45,120
Speaker 1: I'm telling you if you guys haven't seen him, he's

1551
01:14:45,200 --> 01:14:48,960
Speaker 1: kind of known as a wrestler, and I would say

1552
01:14:48,960 --> 01:14:52,040
Speaker 1: it's actually more wrestle boxer. You might even say like

1553
01:14:52,479 --> 01:14:57,800
Speaker 1: wrestle striker, because he does employs different ranges. He is

1554
01:14:57,880 --> 01:15:04,040
Speaker 1: heavy handed, aggressive. He put out ali uh uh ali

1555
01:15:04,120 --> 01:15:08,120
Speaker 1: Akbari's Amir ali Yakbari's lights out with one shot. He

1556
01:15:08,200 --> 01:15:09,840
Speaker 1: put out who was the last guy he thought where

1557
01:15:09,840 --> 01:15:11,800
Speaker 1: he won the interim title off of another Russian guy,

1558
01:15:12,160 --> 01:15:14,559
Speaker 1: put his lights out with one shot. He's heavy handed,

1559
01:15:15,040 --> 01:15:17,840
Speaker 1: he doesn't take a lot of punishment. He can down block,

1560
01:15:18,000 --> 01:15:20,599
Speaker 1: he can take the back. He's got vicious ground pound

1561
01:15:20,640 --> 01:15:23,479
Speaker 1: and remember one has a better rule set where you

1562
01:15:23,479 --> 01:15:25,639
Speaker 1: can knee a grounded opponent, which you see him play

1563
01:15:25,680 --> 01:15:28,799
Speaker 1: with him he was again he's the interim heavyweight champion

1564
01:15:28,880 --> 01:15:34,919
Speaker 1: coming down to their light heavyweight to fight derittter de ridder, clever, rangy,

1565
01:15:36,479 --> 01:15:40,439
Speaker 1: skills everywhere, just maybe one of the most unheralded guys

1566
01:15:40,439 --> 01:15:43,080
Speaker 1: in terms of the wider awareness of who's awesome out

1567
01:15:43,160 --> 01:15:45,479
Speaker 1: there in all of mixed martial arts. Dud And by

1568
01:15:45,479 --> 01:15:46,760
Speaker 1: the way I said it before, I think at the

1569
01:15:46,760 --> 01:15:48,280
Speaker 1: top of the show, this is the first time I

1570
01:15:48,320 --> 01:15:51,040
Speaker 1: think in his one career DeRidder is an underdog. He's

1571
01:15:51,040 --> 01:15:53,839
Speaker 1: an underdog and he's a crazy champion.

1572
01:15:54,360 --> 01:15:57,120
Speaker 2: Let's look at that. So right now, plus one twenty

1573
01:15:57,439 --> 01:16:01,120
Speaker 2: is ur DR the two division champion UNBEM minus one

1574
01:16:01,320 --> 01:16:06,240
Speaker 2: sixty three mallikin the favorite as the interim heavyweight champion.

1575
01:16:06,280 --> 01:16:08,040
Speaker 2: Moving down in Wait, so I caught up with RDR.

1576
01:16:08,080 --> 01:16:10,599
Speaker 2: You can catch that full interview YouTube dot com slash

1577
01:16:10,720 --> 01:16:13,559
Speaker 2: Morning Combat. But you know, Luke, he's always outspoke. He's

1578
01:16:13,600 --> 01:16:17,360
Speaker 2: so calm and chill, but he's cocky under that calmness.

1579
01:16:17,400 --> 01:16:19,320
Speaker 2: And you know he calls himself not just the best

1580
01:16:19,400 --> 01:16:21,800
Speaker 2: grappler in the world, but on his way to becoming

1581
01:16:21,840 --> 01:16:25,040
Speaker 2: the best MMA fighter. I'm new to him, but I'm

1582
01:16:25,120 --> 01:16:27,400
Speaker 2: lo quick, Luke. This guy can do some things. I

1583
01:16:27,479 --> 01:16:29,200
Speaker 2: caught up to him though, and asked him about this

1584
01:16:29,479 --> 01:16:32,839
Speaker 2: challenge with Mallikan. Let's hear from the Dutch Knight himself.

1585
01:16:33,400 --> 01:16:35,560
Speaker 2: Talk to me about this matchup, because it seems like

1586
01:16:36,120 --> 01:16:38,200
Speaker 2: it doesn't matter what your opponents bring. If you can

1587
01:16:38,600 --> 01:16:40,840
Speaker 2: control the fight on your terms, take it to the ground,

1588
01:16:41,479 --> 01:16:41,920
Speaker 2: it's over.

1589
01:16:43,080 --> 01:16:45,680
Speaker 3: That's the truth, man, that's the truth. But he's an

1590
01:16:45,720 --> 01:16:49,599
Speaker 3: interesting matchup. He's dangerous, he's been knocking people out left

1591
01:16:49,640 --> 01:16:52,559
Speaker 3: and right. I've been strangling people on conscious left and right.

1592
01:16:54,040 --> 01:16:57,960
Speaker 3: And it's about diamonds. He's the heavyweight champion. I've been

1593
01:16:58,439 --> 01:17:00,479
Speaker 3: asking for that fight for the long time.

1594
01:17:01,080 --> 01:17:01,560
Speaker 1: I've got it.

1595
01:17:01,680 --> 01:17:05,360
Speaker 3: It's a light heavyweight and man, I'm just happy to

1596
01:17:05,479 --> 01:17:06,360
Speaker 3: be able to do it again.

1597
01:17:10,000 --> 01:17:13,760
Speaker 2: Luke, he taps everybody out. The key question that I

1598
01:17:13,840 --> 01:17:15,760
Speaker 2: asked and we're gonna hear it from it in a second, is,

1599
01:17:16,400 --> 01:17:18,920
Speaker 2: you know, has his full game come around? I'm day

1600
01:17:19,000 --> 01:17:21,400
Speaker 2: one on just finding out about this guy. I'm watching

1601
01:17:21,439 --> 01:17:23,920
Speaker 2: the tape. I'm impressed. You got a little bit more

1602
01:17:23,960 --> 01:17:26,599
Speaker 2: background on him. How good is the rest of his game?

1603
01:17:26,720 --> 01:17:30,320
Speaker 2: Separate from that ability which I asked him about? What

1604
01:17:30,360 --> 01:17:32,360
Speaker 2: what makes him special on the ground? You know, he

1605
01:17:32,400 --> 01:17:34,679
Speaker 2: seems to be always one step ahead of his opponents.

1606
01:17:34,760 --> 01:17:38,439
Speaker 2: His technique seems flawless, and dude, he gets taps. Can

1607
01:17:38,520 --> 01:17:39,920
Speaker 2: he strike just the same though.

1608
01:17:40,320 --> 01:17:42,479
Speaker 1: I mean he's striking on the feet is not nearly

1609
01:17:42,520 --> 01:17:44,280
Speaker 1: as good as his ground game. There is to me

1610
01:17:44,360 --> 01:17:46,640
Speaker 1: a disparity, although he is competent there. But the other

1611
01:17:46,680 --> 01:17:48,639
Speaker 1: part I would point to is, you know a lot

1612
01:17:48,720 --> 01:17:51,479
Speaker 1: of folks sort of note that and and I'll also say,

1613
01:17:53,200 --> 01:17:55,280
Speaker 1: and this is common among jiu jitsu guys or guys

1614
01:17:55,360 --> 01:17:57,920
Speaker 1: with a grappling orientation who are not strictly from wrestling,

1615
01:17:57,960 --> 01:17:59,400
Speaker 1: Like you don't see this from the Daugastani's, but you

1616
01:17:59,439 --> 01:18:03,360
Speaker 1: might see it from like BJJ guys where a little

1617
01:18:03,439 --> 01:18:06,439
Speaker 1: too willing to concede position through scrambles because hey, I

1618
01:18:06,479 --> 01:18:08,840
Speaker 1: can get submissions anywhere, which is true, like he can,

1619
01:18:09,000 --> 01:18:12,040
Speaker 1: he's undefeated. But as a general rule, as you climb

1620
01:18:12,120 --> 01:18:15,439
Speaker 1: the ranks, you want to be less inclined to be like,

1621
01:18:15,520 --> 01:18:17,439
Speaker 1: oh I got swept, fine, I'll just work for my

1622
01:18:17,479 --> 01:18:19,800
Speaker 1: guard and again it worked against Big Dash, great, But

1623
01:18:20,760 --> 01:18:22,800
Speaker 1: don't do that if you don't have to, especially against

1624
01:18:22,840 --> 01:18:25,040
Speaker 1: this fucking hammer who he's fighting. But what I would

1625
01:18:25,040 --> 01:18:26,880
Speaker 1: say is the other component that I have begun to

1626
01:18:26,920 --> 01:18:29,240
Speaker 1: see grow in his game is not just that he

1627
01:18:29,280 --> 01:18:32,360
Speaker 1: has great submissions, but pretty good ground to pound, both

1628
01:18:32,400 --> 01:18:35,599
Speaker 1: as a way to facilitate submissions, so like Hammer fists

1629
01:18:35,640 --> 01:18:37,240
Speaker 1: to open up an arm and then he can snatch it,

1630
01:18:37,560 --> 01:18:40,360
Speaker 1: or just outright pounding on guys sometimes when he is

1631
01:18:40,360 --> 01:18:43,040
Speaker 1: a little bit more thoughtful about control positions from the

1632
01:18:43,120 --> 01:18:45,519
Speaker 1: back or something like that. So here's what I would

1633
01:18:45,520 --> 01:18:48,720
Speaker 1: say like he can't make that mistake against Malikan where

1634
01:18:48,720 --> 01:18:50,479
Speaker 1: he's like, oh, I'll just fight from my guard. Yeah,

1635
01:18:50,560 --> 01:18:52,599
Speaker 1: maybe you can submit them from your guard. It's possible.

1636
01:18:52,800 --> 01:18:54,080
Speaker 1: We've talked about on the show before.

1637
01:18:54,120 --> 01:18:54,320
Speaker 2: It is.

1638
01:18:54,479 --> 01:18:57,720
Speaker 1: The higher you go, the rarer it becomes where you

1639
01:18:57,760 --> 01:18:59,920
Speaker 1: can submit someone even in pure mma terms, much like

1640
01:19:00,080 --> 01:19:03,120
Speaker 1: us pure grappling terms, from your guard. The guard is

1641
01:19:03,280 --> 01:19:07,160
Speaker 1: a very useful position, but it's far more useful in

1642
01:19:07,439 --> 01:19:10,880
Speaker 1: beginner to intermediate stages for getting submissions than it is

1643
01:19:10,960 --> 01:19:15,519
Speaker 1: in the advanced stages of someone's career. So, but here's

1644
01:19:15,520 --> 01:19:18,960
Speaker 1: what I'll say. If I'm the ridder, I don't want

1645
01:19:19,000 --> 01:19:21,240
Speaker 1: to fight this guy on the feet, and you know

1646
01:19:21,520 --> 01:19:24,680
Speaker 1: Mallaquin has good wrestling. To me, this is gonna be

1647
01:19:24,760 --> 01:19:26,880
Speaker 1: a case where I'm gonna want to tie up with

1648
01:19:27,000 --> 01:19:29,360
Speaker 1: him and really try and find the back. I think

1649
01:19:29,439 --> 01:19:32,360
Speaker 1: getting to Malakin's back is going to be really, really,

1650
01:19:32,560 --> 01:19:37,559
Speaker 1: really important. But I can see why he's the underdog here, Dude,

1651
01:19:37,600 --> 01:19:40,920
Speaker 1: Mallakin is I'm telling you, I like everyone talks about

1652
01:19:42,080 --> 01:19:44,880
Speaker 1: Nier Dirittor, which they should. He's amazing two eight world champion,

1653
01:19:45,240 --> 01:19:48,679
Speaker 1: but this dude Mallakin, Yo. One found something with this guy,

1654
01:19:48,800 --> 01:19:50,760
Speaker 1: he is a fucking bulldozer.

1655
01:19:51,120 --> 01:19:53,160
Speaker 2: Well, I mean that that's that's the fight right there.

1656
01:19:53,200 --> 01:19:55,360
Speaker 2: If he can, no one's been able to stop r

1657
01:19:55,400 --> 01:19:57,439
Speaker 2: DR from taking them down. And then eventually, you know,

1658
01:19:58,080 --> 01:20:00,280
Speaker 2: he finds a way and figures you out and taps Yeah.

1659
01:20:00,800 --> 01:20:03,080
Speaker 2: You know, he doesn't think there's anyone that can consistently.

1660
01:20:03,200 --> 01:20:06,720
Speaker 2: What if malikin can be that stop gap on the

1661
01:20:06,760 --> 01:20:09,680
Speaker 2: takedown defense and then we see if our DR's game

1662
01:20:09,760 --> 01:20:11,760
Speaker 2: on the feet, which is shown in flashes showing it

1663
01:20:11,840 --> 01:20:14,559
Speaker 2: to set up his takedowns, and you know, he looks

1664
01:20:14,600 --> 01:20:16,280
Speaker 2: good on the feet, but he don't have to be

1665
01:20:16,360 --> 01:20:18,600
Speaker 2: great potentially against a bigger man here. And even that

1666
01:20:18,680 --> 01:20:20,880
Speaker 2: fight against a Batali big dash that you mentioned where

1667
01:20:20,880 --> 01:20:22,519
Speaker 2: he defended the middleway to the last time out, he

1668
01:20:22,560 --> 01:20:25,679
Speaker 2: got caught in that. Then that choke early on, which

1669
01:20:25,760 --> 01:20:27,479
Speaker 2: was you know, surprising to see and he told me, no,

1670
01:20:27,560 --> 01:20:30,040
Speaker 2: it wasn't a big deal. It's fine. But this, you know,

1671
01:20:30,120 --> 01:20:33,120
Speaker 2: he's a daring fighter at times, our DR. So let's

1672
01:20:33,120 --> 01:20:34,519
Speaker 2: see what happens. I think a one more piece of

1673
01:20:34,560 --> 01:20:36,439
Speaker 2: sound on him on the evolution of his game and

1674
01:20:36,479 --> 01:20:38,960
Speaker 2: where he thinks he's at entering this talk to me

1675
01:20:39,000 --> 01:20:42,000
Speaker 2: about your evolution as a striker, and where do you

1676
01:20:42,040 --> 01:20:42,519
Speaker 2: think you're at.

1677
01:20:43,120 --> 01:20:47,400
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think it's there. I believe it's there. I

1678
01:20:47,600 --> 01:20:50,080
Speaker 3: know it's there. I'm Dutch for a reason.

1679
01:20:51,320 --> 01:20:51,519
Speaker 2: You know.

1680
01:20:51,640 --> 01:20:55,280
Speaker 3: I work on my kickboxing skills on a daily basis.

1681
01:20:56,880 --> 01:20:59,240
Speaker 3: I'm always lankier than my opponents. I can hit him

1682
01:20:59,240 --> 01:21:02,040
Speaker 3: when they can hit me. And the good thing is

1683
01:21:02,120 --> 01:21:03,920
Speaker 3: they want to come in, but they don't want to

1684
01:21:03,960 --> 01:21:05,640
Speaker 3: come in because when they come in, I take him

1685
01:21:05,680 --> 01:21:10,120
Speaker 3: down and strangle him. So my kickboxing and my grappling

1686
01:21:11,800 --> 01:21:15,920
Speaker 3: really go hand in hand. And to be honest, I

1687
01:21:15,960 --> 01:21:20,720
Speaker 3: don't really see anybody stopping takedowns anytime soon, So be

1688
01:21:20,840 --> 01:21:24,960
Speaker 3: cool to show off some more kickboxing. But I need

1689
01:21:25,320 --> 01:21:26,519
Speaker 3: the right dance partn for it.

1690
01:21:29,439 --> 01:21:31,479
Speaker 2: All right, I'm fired up for this fight. Final question

1691
01:21:31,560 --> 01:21:34,200
Speaker 2: on RDR in this matchup is this? This is now

1692
01:21:34,280 --> 01:21:36,040
Speaker 2: beating a heavyweight if he does it? Okay? A guy

1693
01:21:36,120 --> 01:21:38,720
Speaker 2: coming down? Who is the interim strap right now? He

1694
01:21:38,800 --> 01:21:40,679
Speaker 2: gave me the sound, but everybody wants to hear, which

1695
01:21:40,760 --> 01:21:43,599
Speaker 2: is I'll beat out Asania and Poeton on the same night.

1696
01:21:44,160 --> 01:21:47,120
Speaker 2: He claims, not consistently, but if needed, he can make

1697
01:21:47,160 --> 01:21:49,519
Speaker 2: one to eighty five against anybody in the world. Obviously

1698
01:21:49,600 --> 01:21:52,160
Speaker 2: one you can hydrate higher up, so he doesn't have

1699
01:21:52,240 --> 01:21:55,200
Speaker 2: to consistently do that. He's the middleweight and light heavyweight champion.

1700
01:21:55,479 --> 01:21:57,880
Speaker 2: If he beats a heavy interim heavyweight title list here

1701
01:21:57,960 --> 01:22:00,639
Speaker 2: to set up a future date for the heavyweight belt

1702
01:22:00,680 --> 01:22:04,360
Speaker 2: and becomes, I guess in theory, the first three division

1703
01:22:04,520 --> 01:22:08,360
Speaker 2: active champion in elite MMA, right, always thought Connor would

1704
01:22:08,360 --> 01:22:11,200
Speaker 2: get a shot. Pitbull's talking about maybe doing it. What

1705
01:22:11,320 --> 01:22:13,360
Speaker 2: would that mean? What would that mean to where this guy,

1706
01:22:14,000 --> 01:22:16,840
Speaker 2: you know, deserves to be ranked and considered globally. I

1707
01:22:16,920 --> 01:22:19,680
Speaker 2: mean I just found out about him. He's the underdog

1708
01:22:19,760 --> 01:22:21,760
Speaker 2: in this matchup. That's how good one is at the moment.

1709
01:22:21,880 --> 01:22:24,280
Speaker 2: But what the hell would that mean if he becomes

1710
01:22:24,320 --> 01:22:25,679
Speaker 2: our first three division champion.

1711
01:22:27,560 --> 01:22:30,479
Speaker 1: Well, this is at light heavyweight, so my understanding is

1712
01:22:30,560 --> 01:22:33,840
Speaker 1: the heavyweight interim title is not on the line here.

1713
01:22:33,880 --> 01:22:36,720
Speaker 2: Right, But if he beats the interim heavyweight champion, so

1714
01:22:36,840 --> 01:22:38,880
Speaker 2: it'll set up what does it mean? It'll set up

1715
01:22:38,880 --> 01:22:39,960
Speaker 2: a future date for the belt.

1716
01:22:39,960 --> 01:22:42,519
Speaker 1: There's no question if he could do it, And honestly,

1717
01:22:42,560 --> 01:22:46,760
Speaker 1: I would say, like again, like I bashed their way

1718
01:22:46,800 --> 01:22:48,960
Speaker 1: into and all the silly things, Chatri says, But dude,

1719
01:22:49,000 --> 01:22:51,559
Speaker 1: one is a great product. That's a really great product.

1720
01:22:51,560 --> 01:22:56,439
Speaker 1: They have quality fighters. I think it would be I Dan.

1721
01:22:56,600 --> 01:22:59,040
Speaker 1: People always talk about Connor being the first champ champion,

1722
01:22:59,120 --> 01:23:02,120
Speaker 1: Really was Dan Henders In a major organization anyway, was

1723
01:23:02,200 --> 01:23:06,759
Speaker 1: Dan Henderson. It won't really sink into the history books

1724
01:23:06,800 --> 01:23:08,960
Speaker 1: in a very forceful way until it happens with UFC,

1725
01:23:09,080 --> 01:23:10,400
Speaker 1: and I think we need to be honest about that.

1726
01:23:11,240 --> 01:23:16,040
Speaker 1: But getting two belts into far apart weight classes essentially

1727
01:23:16,080 --> 01:23:18,559
Speaker 1: an mma, right there's not six or seven pounds separating

1728
01:23:18,640 --> 01:23:21,479
Speaker 1: them is extremely difficult to do three in a top

1729
01:23:21,640 --> 01:23:26,880
Speaker 1: organization like one, I think it would usher in a

1730
01:23:26,880 --> 01:23:29,160
Speaker 1: bunch of copycats trying to do the same thing. I

1731
01:23:29,320 --> 01:23:31,600
Speaker 1: most would probably fail at it, but it would just

1732
01:23:31,760 --> 01:23:34,200
Speaker 1: tell you. I don't know. I'd have to think about it.

1733
01:23:34,280 --> 01:23:35,599
Speaker 1: To be honest, I haven't given it much thought. I'm

1734
01:23:35,600 --> 01:23:37,000
Speaker 1: going to give you a bullshit answer because I haven't

1735
01:23:37,000 --> 01:23:39,640
Speaker 1: thought about it. But I would tell you if he

1736
01:23:39,760 --> 01:23:41,960
Speaker 1: gets it, he would need to be on a consideration

1737
01:23:42,120 --> 01:23:43,080
Speaker 1: on a pound for pound list.

1738
01:23:43,520 --> 01:23:44,960
Speaker 2: I agree with you, but he's got to win this

1739
01:23:45,080 --> 01:23:50,200
Speaker 2: one first Tonight one on Amazon Prime five from the Philippines,

1740
01:23:50,240 --> 01:23:51,760
Speaker 2: and look, they made a bit of news today one

1741
01:23:52,800 --> 01:23:56,960
Speaker 2: signing a deal with Fandual TV to bring martial arts

1742
01:23:57,000 --> 01:23:59,720
Speaker 2: events to network and Fandual Plus. So luke any of

1743
01:23:59,800 --> 01:24:02,880
Speaker 2: these non like numbered prime cards, you know how they

1744
01:24:02,920 --> 01:24:04,720
Speaker 2: have these in between ones, Like there's another card on

1745
01:24:04,800 --> 01:24:07,639
Speaker 2: Saturday though, that's gonna debut this Saturday.

1746
01:24:07,720 --> 01:24:07,880
Speaker 1: One.

1747
01:24:08,560 --> 01:24:12,799
Speaker 2: The event is called one one sixty four Paccio versus Brooks.

1748
01:24:13,240 --> 01:24:17,559
Speaker 2: That's gonna kick off on fan Dual TV. Your thoughts

1749
01:24:17,600 --> 01:24:18,080
Speaker 2: on this bit of.

1750
01:24:18,080 --> 01:24:22,719
Speaker 1: New Yeah, that's fine. Brandon Verez fighting Amir Ali Akbari,

1751
01:24:22,920 --> 01:24:26,160
Speaker 1: so the guy who Malakin just dust it off, so

1752
01:24:26,439 --> 01:24:28,800
Speaker 1: that should be fun actually, and there's some other fights

1753
01:24:28,840 --> 01:24:32,080
Speaker 1: on there. Although a bunch of guys in the Muay

1754
01:24:32,160 --> 01:24:35,000
Speaker 1: Thai tournament missed wait, so that no one wins the

1755
01:24:35,040 --> 01:24:37,600
Speaker 1: title at all or the tournament anyway, which is a

1756
01:24:37,680 --> 01:24:40,160
Speaker 1: disaster for them. But yeah, in general, that's fine. By

1757
01:24:40,160 --> 01:24:41,960
Speaker 1: the way, we didn't even mention small piece of news

1758
01:24:42,000 --> 01:24:44,800
Speaker 1: BC less relevant to anyone who doesn't watch La Liga,

1759
01:24:45,120 --> 01:24:47,360
Speaker 1: but the UFC and LA Liga, that is the major

1760
01:24:47,479 --> 01:24:50,880
Speaker 1: soccer organization out of Spain, they signed a promotional agreement

1761
01:24:50,920 --> 01:24:53,799
Speaker 1: together was announced yesterday, so you saw like Brandon Moreno

1762
01:24:53,840 --> 01:24:56,559
Speaker 1: go over and visit like Atletico Madrid, and I think

1763
01:24:56,600 --> 01:24:59,840
Speaker 1: Illiott Suporia went and visited, you know, Sevidia or whoever

1764
01:25:00,080 --> 01:25:02,519
Speaker 1: some other team would know Valencia. He visited Valencia. And

1765
01:25:02,520 --> 01:25:04,280
Speaker 1: there's the whole thing. But they're gonna send La Liga

1766
01:25:04,439 --> 01:25:07,679
Speaker 1: players to do like, you know, cross promotion with UFC stuff.

1767
01:25:07,720 --> 01:25:10,280
Speaker 1: It's a small little gesture, but it's kind of interesting.

1768
01:25:10,400 --> 01:25:12,400
Speaker 1: I love La Liga. I watch it one any other

1769
01:25:12,520 --> 01:25:16,120
Speaker 1: league in European soccer and uh, fun little note, fun

1770
01:25:16,160 --> 01:25:16,639
Speaker 1: little note.

1771
01:25:16,920 --> 01:25:19,280
Speaker 2: Yeah, especially if you like soccer, that'd be a hugely

1772
01:25:19,400 --> 01:25:22,759
Speaker 2: fun note unless you're part of that Siria racist bullshit

1773
01:25:22,840 --> 01:25:23,439
Speaker 2: like Big Lou the.

1774
01:25:23,479 --> 01:25:25,880
Speaker 1: Cameraman, Right, Big Lou loves racist soccer, not me.

1775
01:25:26,040 --> 01:25:28,639
Speaker 2: Quickly to close on this one on Prime five card,

1776
01:25:28,760 --> 01:25:31,720
Speaker 2: Luke on the on the on the early card, we

1777
01:25:31,840 --> 01:25:35,080
Speaker 2: got Umar Kaine. Of course, rugrug the big heavyweight Edward

1778
01:25:35,240 --> 01:25:38,040
Speaker 2: Furlong is back off the set of Terminator two. But

1779
01:25:38,400 --> 01:25:40,920
Speaker 2: how moved are you for the Cole main event when

1780
01:25:40,960 --> 01:25:45,120
Speaker 2: your boy kid Rutolo defends that lightweight submission grappling title

1781
01:25:45,160 --> 01:25:48,000
Speaker 2: against Matthaeas Gabriel Matthews.

1782
01:25:50,800 --> 01:25:54,160
Speaker 1: Yeah, cad is must watch grappling. I mean not just good,

1783
01:25:54,360 --> 01:26:01,639
Speaker 1: but innovative. And remember, folks, remember something cade Rutolo one

1784
01:26:01,720 --> 01:26:06,160
Speaker 1: ADCC right, youngest guy to ever do it, and one

1785
01:26:06,360 --> 01:26:09,800
Speaker 1: all of his matches via submission on the way there.

1786
01:26:10,280 --> 01:26:12,320
Speaker 1: I mean, he is just what you want out of

1787
01:26:12,320 --> 01:26:14,960
Speaker 1: a jiu jitsu fighter. You want this kid, You want

1788
01:26:15,040 --> 01:26:18,280
Speaker 1: someone who fucking goes for it, and he goes for it.

1789
01:26:18,680 --> 01:26:21,280
Speaker 1: So to me, he shouldn't lose. I suspect he'll win.

1790
01:26:21,320 --> 01:26:23,479
Speaker 1: I suspect to win via submission, but it should be fun.

1791
01:26:23,600 --> 01:26:24,880
Speaker 1: Just the same topic.

1792
01:26:24,960 --> 01:26:28,839
Speaker 2: Three, Luke takes us to the extended James Cross betting

1793
01:26:29,080 --> 01:26:31,479
Speaker 2: conversation with the UFC. While we still don't have a

1794
01:26:32,160 --> 01:26:36,400
Speaker 2: answer on the fallout for Cross from this investigation, having

1795
01:26:36,439 --> 01:26:38,840
Speaker 2: to do of course with that, with that fight, with

1796
01:26:38,960 --> 01:26:41,680
Speaker 2: the early injury stoppage and all of Krauss, one of

1797
01:26:41,720 --> 01:26:44,519
Speaker 2: the most respected nimate coaches, you know, history of making

1798
01:26:44,600 --> 01:26:48,560
Speaker 2: money in betting on fights and his discord podcast and

1799
01:26:48,600 --> 01:26:51,559
Speaker 2: all that, Luke, but we're starting to see the fallout.

1800
01:26:51,680 --> 01:26:55,360
Speaker 2: And yesterday's news is this form ESPN's David Payne Perdue

1801
01:26:55,479 --> 01:26:59,839
Speaker 2: breaking it. The Alcohol and Gaming Commission of Ontario, Canada

1802
01:27:00,760 --> 01:27:04,600
Speaker 2: has notified Sports books that they must stop offering and

1803
01:27:04,720 --> 01:27:09,360
Speaker 2: accepting wagers on UFC events due to quote concerns about

1804
01:27:09,479 --> 01:27:17,200
Speaker 2: non compliance with agco's betting integrity requirements end quote. Ontario,

1805
01:27:17,520 --> 01:27:21,120
Speaker 2: of course houses the major city of Toronto. That province

1806
01:27:21,200 --> 01:27:24,120
Speaker 2: is one of the biggest hotbeds for MMA fandom in

1807
01:27:24,200 --> 01:27:28,639
Speaker 2: North America. Without question, Luke, it's probably gonna get bad

1808
01:27:28,720 --> 01:27:31,880
Speaker 2: for Krause unless you know, he can defend himself here

1809
01:27:31,920 --> 01:27:34,840
Speaker 2: in this investigation. We'll see where that goes. This feels

1810
01:27:34,880 --> 01:27:36,960
Speaker 2: connected to it and also feels pretty big. How do

1811
01:27:37,000 --> 01:27:37,519
Speaker 2: you react to this?

1812
01:27:38,080 --> 01:27:39,760
Speaker 1: This is huge? I mean, can you imagine if this

1813
01:27:39,840 --> 01:27:43,639
Speaker 1: is the NFL and like you couldn't. I mean, Ontario houses,

1814
01:27:43,680 --> 01:27:45,519
Speaker 1: like I think I looked at up like fourteen point

1815
01:27:45,560 --> 01:27:49,479
Speaker 1: five millions. Let's just say fifteen million people, right, I mean, dude,

1816
01:27:49,479 --> 01:27:53,719
Speaker 1: that's like and as you mentioned, a key market in Toronto,

1817
01:27:53,880 --> 01:27:55,960
Speaker 1: which is, you know, nothing to be sneezed at. Like

1818
01:27:56,000 --> 01:27:58,360
Speaker 1: if the MLB had a situation where people couldn't bet

1819
01:27:58,439 --> 01:28:01,680
Speaker 1: in that scenario or the NFL, this would be a

1820
01:28:01,960 --> 01:28:05,880
Speaker 1: monumental story. This is a huge story. Now again, there

1821
01:28:05,920 --> 01:28:08,479
Speaker 1: are a ton of unknowns here, so we need to

1822
01:28:08,560 --> 01:28:11,400
Speaker 1: be very, very careful about what we declare to be true,

1823
01:28:11,520 --> 01:28:13,880
Speaker 1: or we say we think we know and there's a

1824
01:28:13,920 --> 01:28:16,800
Speaker 1: lot we don't. One thing I would say is the AGCO,

1825
01:28:16,840 --> 01:28:19,200
Speaker 1: as you indicated, the Alcohol and Gaming Commission of Ontario.

1826
01:28:19,320 --> 01:28:22,160
Speaker 1: One thing that they said was that there was the

1827
01:28:22,240 --> 01:28:24,320
Speaker 1: publicized issue. They didn't mention the fight by name, but

1828
01:28:24,320 --> 01:28:26,320
Speaker 1: it was pretty clearly they were referencing the Derek Minner fight.

1829
01:28:26,760 --> 01:28:28,720
Speaker 1: But they said that there was not just that one,

1830
01:28:28,760 --> 01:28:32,040
Speaker 1: that there were other issues and other jurisdictions that also

1831
01:28:32,200 --> 01:28:35,479
Speaker 1: caught their attention. And Aaron bronstaid, our friend of the show,

1832
01:28:35,520 --> 01:28:39,920
Speaker 1: of course, Relative Canadian asked the AGCO what it would

1833
01:28:39,960 --> 01:28:42,560
Speaker 1: require for the bets to be accepted and wagered on

1834
01:28:42,720 --> 01:28:46,560
Speaker 1: in that territory again, and their answer was effective enforcement

1835
01:28:46,640 --> 01:28:48,560
Speaker 1: of the UFC's own policies that they now have on

1836
01:28:48,640 --> 01:28:51,479
Speaker 1: the books, albeit relatively late. Why do I bring this up?

1837
01:28:51,840 --> 01:28:56,000
Speaker 1: It sounds to me like, again, this is put on

1838
01:28:56,160 --> 01:28:59,840
Speaker 1: the screen, This is Luke's speculation. It is no more,

1839
01:29:00,160 --> 01:29:02,400
Speaker 1: no less. But based on what they wrote in their

1840
01:29:02,400 --> 01:29:05,000
Speaker 1: press release, it sounds to MEBC that, like the case

1841
01:29:05,240 --> 01:29:09,960
Speaker 1: of the Minor fight, may have been like the final

1842
01:29:10,040 --> 01:29:13,880
Speaker 1: impetus to actually do something not the only one, not

1843
01:29:14,080 --> 01:29:17,240
Speaker 1: the only one, and I'll go back to something BC.

1844
01:29:18,800 --> 01:29:22,559
Speaker 1: It has been a long standing practice, in fact, so long.

1845
01:29:22,680 --> 01:29:24,200
Speaker 1: I think the UFC is gonna have to figure something

1846
01:29:24,240 --> 01:29:27,760
Speaker 1: out here because the UFC really understands something very much,

1847
01:29:27,880 --> 01:29:30,479
Speaker 1: which is it is always better. And this is why

1848
01:29:30,520 --> 01:29:33,400
Speaker 1: when you talk about like the payments not getting recorded,

1849
01:29:33,439 --> 01:29:36,240
Speaker 1: I just can't take it seriously because the one thing

1850
01:29:36,280 --> 01:29:39,040
Speaker 1: that UFC has done really well in years, and what

1851
01:29:39,240 --> 01:29:41,040
Speaker 1: is a big reason for their success among having a

1852
01:29:41,120 --> 01:29:43,559
Speaker 1: dynamic product is that they for the most part, man,

1853
01:29:43,600 --> 01:29:46,600
Speaker 1: they really try and undo things right by the regulators,

1854
01:29:47,040 --> 01:29:49,240
Speaker 1: you know, and of course that they get lack standards

1855
01:29:49,280 --> 01:29:52,240
Speaker 1: in certain cases where Dana White gets his power slap

1856
01:29:52,400 --> 01:29:55,840
Speaker 1: League irregulated and that's fucking ridiculous. But they know you

1857
01:29:56,000 --> 01:29:59,080
Speaker 1: can't fight the regulators. You can't fight the Commission, you

1858
01:29:59,120 --> 01:30:02,439
Speaker 1: cannot fight the betting integrity initiatives, you cannot fight the governor.

1859
01:30:02,840 --> 01:30:05,280
Speaker 1: You have to have them on your side for your

1860
01:30:05,360 --> 01:30:08,080
Speaker 1: product to really thrive. And so being in compliance and

1861
01:30:08,160 --> 01:30:11,559
Speaker 1: having a compliance department in the outside the ZOOFA offices

1862
01:30:11,560 --> 01:30:13,479
Speaker 1: and the UFC is extremely important for them and I

1863
01:30:13,560 --> 01:30:15,000
Speaker 1: get that. So I think they're really going to try

1864
01:30:15,080 --> 01:30:17,519
Speaker 1: and do this the right way, and they will. But

1865
01:30:18,479 --> 01:30:26,439
Speaker 1: fighters routinely, routinely, routinely, routinely shield injury disclosures from medical staff,

1866
01:30:26,560 --> 01:30:30,080
Speaker 1: from the UFC, from their opponent, from anyone. And before

1867
01:30:30,400 --> 01:30:32,760
Speaker 1: that was not great, but it didn't raise so many

1868
01:30:32,840 --> 01:30:37,360
Speaker 1: issues in the world of betting, and this acceptance of

1869
01:30:37,439 --> 01:30:39,799
Speaker 1: sports gambling and the way that they've done it creates

1870
01:30:39,880 --> 01:30:41,800
Speaker 1: new complications. And you might be like, well, why doesn't

1871
01:30:41,880 --> 01:30:44,680
Speaker 1: that create a problem for the NFL for MLB, Well,

1872
01:30:44,720 --> 01:30:47,800
Speaker 1: because the teams there do a much better job of

1873
01:30:48,080 --> 01:30:50,519
Speaker 1: because obviously the athletes have a different incentive structure, but

1874
01:30:50,880 --> 01:30:53,559
Speaker 1: they actually know what the injuries are, they disclose them

1875
01:30:53,600 --> 01:30:56,120
Speaker 1: to the public. They have all different kinds of lists

1876
01:30:56,160 --> 01:30:59,040
Speaker 1: of physically unable to perform and blah blah blah, where

1877
01:30:59,040 --> 01:31:02,479
Speaker 1: everything is designated and known and players play with certain

1878
01:31:02,520 --> 01:31:05,599
Speaker 1: injuries and blah blah blah. But it's all above board.

1879
01:31:05,960 --> 01:31:08,519
Speaker 1: But in a world where you're shielding injuries and then

1880
01:31:08,600 --> 01:31:13,600
Speaker 1: there's betting involved, it creates a lot of fucking problems,

1881
01:31:13,840 --> 01:31:16,080
Speaker 1: huge problems. And I don't know what the USC is

1882
01:31:16,080 --> 01:31:17,519
Speaker 1: gonna do about it, because it's not so easy to

1883
01:31:17,560 --> 01:31:19,519
Speaker 1: fix me. See, But I think until they can get

1884
01:31:19,560 --> 01:31:23,080
Speaker 1: a handle on that, this is gonna be a difficult

1885
01:31:23,200 --> 01:31:24,599
Speaker 1: issue to resolve for them.

1886
01:31:25,479 --> 01:31:28,600
Speaker 2: Well, yeah, because we are at day one really of

1887
01:31:29,040 --> 01:31:32,120
Speaker 2: betting being so, I mean, not day one like it's been.

1888
01:31:32,120 --> 01:31:33,560
Speaker 2: You know, it's been a slow build to get to

1889
01:31:33,640 --> 01:31:35,479
Speaker 2: this point. But I can't believe we're at this point

1890
01:31:35,520 --> 01:31:38,320
Speaker 2: whereas I always mentioned, I mean, you're you're getting odds

1891
01:31:38,400 --> 01:31:40,560
Speaker 2: on the screen flashed at you, You're getting tweets of

1892
01:31:40,680 --> 01:31:42,880
Speaker 2: the Hey, this bet was just recorded on this fighter

1893
01:31:42,920 --> 01:31:45,559
Speaker 2: in the UFC talking about it. Every commercial is John

1894
01:31:45,560 --> 01:31:48,519
Speaker 2: Annick at the desk at the DraftKings chair telling you

1895
01:31:48,640 --> 01:31:50,920
Speaker 2: which parlay, Hey, let's go over to the to Yanni,

1896
01:31:50,960 --> 01:31:52,519
Speaker 2: the Greek, you know what I mean. Like, we're at

1897
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Speaker 2: a point where it's so early that we haven't yet

1898
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Speaker 2: seen what a big f up can do. Not all

1899
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Speaker 2: these the standards and walls are built yet to protect

1900
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Speaker 2: some of this. This is this is happening right before

1901
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Speaker 2: our eyes, right here. But you know, I saw some

1902
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Speaker 2: of our CBS colleagues debating this yesterday. Luke, how much

1903
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Speaker 2: do you think the negative impact of that ESPN story

1904
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Speaker 2: that came out in the past couple of weeks there

1905
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Speaker 2: was like an insider's piece on how much betting is

1906
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Speaker 2: actually done in MMA, and you know, there was an

1907
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Speaker 2: anonymous quote from a coach, say, talking about being in

1908
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Speaker 2: the locker room before a fight and seeing other camps

1909
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Speaker 2: right in front of you, you know, how they all

1910
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Speaker 2: peck them in and seeing one guy you know, look

1911
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Speaker 2: hurt or look you know, discouraged, and the coach in

1912
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Speaker 2: the moment betting against him. Like that had to be

1913
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Speaker 2: an eye opener to gaming controls mixed with the Krouse news.

1914
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Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean the other part too, is like with

1915
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Speaker 1: James Cross and again we I just don't even want

1916
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Speaker 1: to speculate about what he has or hasn't done. There's

1917
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Speaker 1: just no way to really know. I mean, some stuff

1918
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Speaker 1: has known obviously he had the Discord channel and the

1919
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Speaker 1: podcast and stuff. But I mean beyond that, I don't know.

1920
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Speaker 1: But what I would say is like, if you wanted

1921
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Speaker 1: to imagine more, uh that he okay in a theoretical

1922
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Speaker 1: world where evidence is discovered that it wasn't just you know,

1923
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Speaker 1: using privileged information to make best which, by the way,

1924
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Speaker 1: it's is its own kind of issue. Like dude, New

1925
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Speaker 1: Jersey has distance itself and required gaming authorities to distance

1926
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Speaker 1: any betters from James Krause. Now you have this Ontario issue, Like,

1927
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Speaker 1: I'll just put it this way, if you are not

1928
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Speaker 1: careful enough, forget about just mendacity, but just like being careful,

1929
01:33:38,479 --> 01:33:41,879
Speaker 1: if you are not careful enough, you could find yourself

1930
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Speaker 1: in this sport excommunicated, like, oh yeah, it is possible.

1931
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Speaker 2: It is on the table, is it not, Just as

1932
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Speaker 2: shoeless Joe Jackson and Pete Rose and Art Schleister and

1933
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Speaker 2: Paul Hornig. I mean, you know, you get you can

1934
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Speaker 2: get hit hard, Luke for messing with the integrity of

1935
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Speaker 2: this at the end of the day. So that's why

1936
01:33:59,560 --> 01:34:02,960
Speaker 2: I reference that anonymous ESPN story because we're still at

1937
01:34:03,000 --> 01:34:04,680
Speaker 2: a point where, you know, it's like this in boxing too,

1938
01:34:05,000 --> 01:34:07,400
Speaker 2: where the quote unquote locker room sometimes is just one

1939
01:34:07,520 --> 01:34:10,360
Speaker 2: room with everybody and their coaches sitting on folding chairs, Luke,

1940
01:34:10,439 --> 01:34:13,960
Speaker 2: So you do get inside access, and then you add

1941
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Speaker 2: in that we can just pick up our phone and

1942
01:34:15,840 --> 01:34:18,640
Speaker 2: you know, bet and change bets right there. Obviously no

1943
01:34:18,800 --> 01:34:21,760
Speaker 2: wonder UFC got ahead of this and put in, you know,

1944
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Speaker 2: some rules and banning fighters, and I think that they

1945
01:34:24,320 --> 01:34:26,800
Speaker 2: banned coaches and teams as well. Luke from betting on

1946
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Speaker 2: fights they're associated with.

1947
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Speaker 1: I mean, right, but like how do you like? Okay,

1948
01:34:30,000 --> 01:34:31,800
Speaker 1: But here's the problem. It's like, dude, how do you

1949
01:34:32,600 --> 01:34:37,160
Speaker 1: forvent you know someone's wife, someone's brother, right, right? You

1950
01:34:37,240 --> 01:34:39,560
Speaker 1: know some other doctor? H yeah, I got well the

1951
01:34:39,600 --> 01:34:41,599
Speaker 1: doctors were forbidden too. But like, this is what I'm

1952
01:34:41,600 --> 01:34:43,000
Speaker 1: trying to poin out about the injuries, Like we need

1953
01:34:43,040 --> 01:34:46,120
Speaker 1: to get back to this. Fighters have been refusing to

1954
01:34:46,200 --> 01:34:49,040
Speaker 1: disclose injuries, sometimes you know, very minor ones that may

1955
01:34:49,120 --> 01:34:51,320
Speaker 1: be like a technicality that prevents them from getting a fight,

1956
01:34:51,640 --> 01:34:53,800
Speaker 1: but like sometimes they do it to like get medical care,

1957
01:34:53,920 --> 01:34:56,240
Speaker 1: not so much through UFC, but other promotions where they

1958
01:34:56,240 --> 01:34:57,800
Speaker 1: don't get the medical care until they say, oh, what

1959
01:34:57,840 --> 01:34:59,040
Speaker 1: happened in the fight, and then they can get the

1960
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Speaker 1: surgery that they need. Like it's it is part of

1961
01:35:02,000 --> 01:35:06,160
Speaker 1: the practice. And if you actually disclosed all of your injuries,

1962
01:35:06,520 --> 01:35:08,160
Speaker 1: how many fights would you get a year? Right? You

1963
01:35:08,200 --> 01:35:09,720
Speaker 1: may not even be able to compete because you have

1964
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Speaker 1: to do it. And yet making sure that that stuff

1965
01:35:12,280 --> 01:35:14,960
Speaker 1: is known and above board is kind of essential to

1966
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Speaker 1: making the gambling aspect of it work. This is what

1967
01:35:18,160 --> 01:35:20,320
Speaker 1: I'm not trying to overstate it This is a really

1968
01:35:20,560 --> 01:35:23,840
Speaker 1: difficult problem for the UFC to solve it. It's an

1969
01:35:24,000 --> 01:35:26,360
Speaker 1: unenviable task, but I think they're going to have to

1970
01:35:26,400 --> 01:35:28,719
Speaker 1: do something because the current state of things is headed

1971
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Speaker 1: in very much the long diren and.

1972
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Speaker 2: The problem goes a lot deeper than the perceivement of

1973
01:35:35,000 --> 01:35:37,960
Speaker 2: you know, impropriety when it comes to the integrity of

1974
01:35:38,000 --> 01:35:40,240
Speaker 2: the fights and the bets, which is ultimately the biggest

1975
01:35:40,320 --> 01:35:43,240
Speaker 2: thing to be scared about. It potentially hits their pocket

1976
01:35:43,360 --> 01:35:45,479
Speaker 2: when you look at how like, just for example, with

1977
01:35:45,640 --> 01:35:48,200
Speaker 2: DraftKings being in their sponsor, how much money is coming

1978
01:35:48,240 --> 01:35:51,120
Speaker 2: in with a deal like that. Well, if Ontario as

1979
01:35:51,120 --> 01:35:53,720
Speaker 2: a province gets banned for however long this is you know,

1980
01:35:53,920 --> 01:35:56,519
Speaker 2: I saw front Rowe Brian tweet and that that would be,

1981
01:35:56,760 --> 01:35:58,679
Speaker 2: you know, in size wise, the equivalent to the fifth

1982
01:35:58,800 --> 01:36:01,680
Speaker 2: largest US city. Well, what if another big state with

1983
01:36:01,800 --> 01:36:06,479
Speaker 2: a large UISH city, meaning the province of Ontario, if

1984
01:36:06,520 --> 01:36:07,800
Speaker 2: it was in there, if it was in the US,

1985
01:36:07,840 --> 01:36:11,719
Speaker 2: would be the fifth biggest state in terms of people city. Sorry,

1986
01:36:11,800 --> 01:36:14,160
Speaker 2: the whole point to illustrate is that is, Okay, this

1987
01:36:14,320 --> 01:36:17,280
Speaker 2: is just one, but what if this becomes Ontario and

1988
01:36:18,040 --> 01:36:19,680
Speaker 2: you know, the state of Illinois and the state of

1989
01:36:19,720 --> 01:36:22,280
Speaker 2: California and then the state of Texas. Then if you

1990
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Speaker 2: are somebody like a Crouse who has even a connection

1991
01:36:25,560 --> 01:36:29,439
Speaker 2: to this dude, you might get the hammer dropped on you, right,

1992
01:36:29,680 --> 01:36:31,400
Speaker 2: I mean, they might build the walls right in front

1993
01:36:31,439 --> 01:36:34,479
Speaker 2: of you. And you know so because the UFC can't

1994
01:36:34,680 --> 01:36:37,639
Speaker 2: can't justify the threat against some of these financial deals

1995
01:36:37,640 --> 01:36:39,560
Speaker 2: as well, which goes you know, above and beyond the

1996
01:36:40,160 --> 01:36:43,200
Speaker 2: way it looks. So yeah, whoever has a part in this,

1997
01:36:43,360 --> 01:36:46,080
Speaker 2: as they start to for the first time make these

1998
01:36:46,200 --> 01:36:48,880
Speaker 2: rules and make these punishments, someone's gonna get hammered out. Luke.

1999
01:36:49,080 --> 01:36:51,519
Speaker 2: That's why I fear for James Crous in the spot until,

2000
01:36:51,600 --> 01:36:55,040
Speaker 2: you know, unless he's able to prove otherwise, because somebody's

2001
01:36:55,080 --> 01:36:57,120
Speaker 2: gonna get hammered out because you're messing with their money.

2002
01:36:57,200 --> 01:36:58,519
Speaker 2: Now you are, you know what I'm saying.

2003
01:36:58,360 --> 01:37:00,360
Speaker 1: Like you're not messing you do, You're messing with more

2004
01:37:00,439 --> 01:37:02,200
Speaker 1: than the money. And again I don't know what James

2005
01:37:02,240 --> 01:37:04,920
Speaker 1: Cross has or hasn't done, but it's not just the

2006
01:37:05,520 --> 01:37:07,320
Speaker 1: money you're fucking with here with those deals.

2007
01:37:07,400 --> 01:37:11,000
Speaker 2: Well, you're the integrity, but rights.

2008
01:37:11,600 --> 01:37:14,160
Speaker 1: Watching is real. Sometimes that doesn't.

2009
01:37:13,960 --> 01:37:16,479
Speaker 2: Care about that. Sometimes it's but now you're also effing

2010
01:37:16,520 --> 01:37:18,720
Speaker 2: with their money. What if they lose this Draftking sponsorship?

2011
01:37:18,720 --> 01:37:22,400
Speaker 1: You losing the Draftking sponsorship is secondary to a bigger issue,

2012
01:37:22,439 --> 01:37:25,920
Speaker 1: which is if regulators can't reasonably say that they can

2013
01:37:26,000 --> 01:37:29,519
Speaker 1: trust your product to be genuine, you have a massive

2014
01:37:29,760 --> 01:37:32,320
Speaker 1: problem on your hand. Forget about losing the DraftKings deal,

2015
01:37:32,520 --> 01:37:34,519
Speaker 1: you could lose a lot of other things along the way.

2016
01:37:34,680 --> 01:37:36,479
Speaker 1: So this is really all about, like what we do.

2017
01:37:37,080 --> 01:37:38,960
Speaker 1: And again I'm not accusing UFC of doing anything wrong

2018
01:37:39,040 --> 01:37:41,000
Speaker 1: other than being like at the mercy of this very

2019
01:37:41,040 --> 01:37:43,519
Speaker 1: difficult problem. What I'm saying that they have to figure

2020
01:37:43,520 --> 01:37:46,680
Speaker 1: out is how do we create a process for pre

2021
01:37:46,840 --> 01:37:50,560
Speaker 1: screening fighters that makes that gives regulators trust that this

2022
01:37:50,720 --> 01:37:53,679
Speaker 1: process has been done the right way. It's not so easy.

2023
01:37:53,720 --> 01:37:55,760
Speaker 1: It has to be a big departure from what they've

2024
01:37:55,760 --> 01:37:58,040
Speaker 1: done up to this point because the introduction of gambling.

2025
01:37:59,080 --> 01:38:01,000
Speaker 1: It's a tough task. We got smart guys over there

2026
01:38:01,160 --> 01:38:02,960
Speaker 1: in Las Vegas, and they're gonna need to put their

2027
01:38:02,960 --> 01:38:05,160
Speaker 1: heads together because this is a difficult one. Yeah.

2028
01:38:05,240 --> 01:38:07,280
Speaker 2: The final quote there from the AGCO said, this is

2029
01:38:07,320 --> 01:38:09,640
Speaker 2: not a decision we take lightly. Knowing the popularity of

2030
01:38:09,760 --> 01:38:13,280
Speaker 2: UFC events in Ontario. However, the risks of insider betting

2031
01:38:13,360 --> 01:38:17,200
Speaker 2: on event and wagering integrity should be highly concerning to all.

2032
01:38:17,600 --> 01:38:21,559
Speaker 2: It certainly is to us. Yeah, that's a pretty large

2033
01:38:21,600 --> 01:38:24,679
Speaker 2: statement on a pretty large area of a pretty large

2034
01:38:24,720 --> 01:38:27,519
Speaker 2: fan base that if this spreads, you got issues. That's

2035
01:38:27,560 --> 01:38:30,000
Speaker 2: why someone's gonna get hammered out. That's how these things

2036
01:38:30,080 --> 01:38:30,639
Speaker 2: tend to work.

2037
01:38:30,600 --> 01:38:34,519
Speaker 1: Lasting ones. I've seen people be like, oh, well, Ontario's overreacting. Okay,

2038
01:38:34,800 --> 01:38:37,280
Speaker 1: let's say that they're overreacting, right, Let's say that their

2039
01:38:38,040 --> 01:38:41,000
Speaker 1: actions don't merit what they actually know about it, and

2040
01:38:41,080 --> 01:38:43,560
Speaker 1: they are just doing this for some other reason. But

2041
01:38:43,680 --> 01:38:46,360
Speaker 1: the problem is New Jersey already did something related to

2042
01:38:46,400 --> 01:38:49,960
Speaker 1: cross specifically about this. Yeah, now it's in Ontario. There's

2043
01:38:50,000 --> 01:38:53,000
Speaker 1: a contagion that could spread about this. And in the end,

2044
01:38:53,560 --> 01:38:57,719
Speaker 1: even if you think Ontario has overreacted, perception is reality

2045
01:38:57,800 --> 01:39:01,360
Speaker 1: to a degree, just the perception that these issues are

2046
01:39:01,479 --> 01:39:03,559
Speaker 1: at play here. Even if you or I or someone

2047
01:39:03,600 --> 01:39:08,479
Speaker 1: else thinks that Ontario overreacted, Dude, it's terrible headlines for

2048
01:39:08,560 --> 01:39:11,400
Speaker 1: the UFC. This terrible looks for them. They don't want

2049
01:39:11,439 --> 01:39:13,719
Speaker 1: this kind of relationship with regulators. They want a smooth,

2050
01:39:14,040 --> 01:39:16,719
Speaker 1: breezy one, and to their credit, they have worked twenty

2051
01:39:16,840 --> 01:39:19,840
Speaker 1: plus years to get that and to maintain that. They

2052
01:39:19,880 --> 01:39:21,280
Speaker 1: don't all just want to blow it up in the

2053
01:39:21,320 --> 01:39:23,240
Speaker 1: blink of an eye. It's a problem for them.

2054
01:39:23,320 --> 01:39:26,880
Speaker 2: Right And I wasn't saying before. Don't discount the integrity part,

2055
01:39:26,960 --> 01:39:29,320
Speaker 2: that's the number one part. But when you mess with

2056
01:39:29,400 --> 01:39:32,320
Speaker 2: their money also, it's going to make them move swifter

2057
01:39:32,439 --> 01:39:34,680
Speaker 2: and faster, and messing with their money goes beyond a

2058
01:39:34,760 --> 01:39:38,840
Speaker 2: DraftKings sponsorship. If people aren't taking in your bets, it's

2059
01:39:39,080 --> 01:39:41,080
Speaker 2: lessening the end. I mean, Luke, betting is such a

2060
01:39:41,280 --> 01:39:44,120
Speaker 2: monster part of the sports Live sports ratings. I mean,

2061
01:39:44,120 --> 01:39:47,080
Speaker 2: that's what it is, you know, So damn that could

2062
01:39:47,120 --> 01:39:51,080
Speaker 2: be huge looke. Topic four is I mean, is this sad?

2063
01:39:51,560 --> 01:39:54,599
Speaker 2: Feels pretty sad. So here's the deal. BKFC just recently

2064
01:39:54,640 --> 01:39:57,439
Speaker 2: made a bit of headlines by signing former boxing junior

2065
01:39:57,479 --> 01:40:01,919
Speaker 2: middleway champion in Austin Trout. But he's from New Mexico,

2066
01:40:02,400 --> 01:40:07,400
Speaker 2: so is another famous combat sports athlete, Diego Sanchez, and Luke.

2067
01:40:07,439 --> 01:40:12,439
Speaker 2: According to reports here, Sanchez and Trout are gonna clash

2068
01:40:12,479 --> 01:40:18,360
Speaker 2: out a bare knuckle Fighting Championships card in February in Albuquerque. Yeah,

2069
01:40:19,280 --> 01:40:20,200
Speaker 2: you can count me out.

2070
01:40:20,360 --> 01:40:25,080
Speaker 1: Okay, Yeah, it's pretty fucking gross. Remember BKFC tried to

2071
01:40:25,200 --> 01:40:29,920
Speaker 1: get Melvin Gallard licensed in Colorado recently, and Colorado was like, yeah, no, we're.

2072
01:40:29,800 --> 01:40:32,000
Speaker 2: Not No, Like what are we doing here? Have we

2073
01:40:32,120 --> 01:40:35,240
Speaker 2: not seen enough? Like Diego Santas unfortunately is in BJ

2074
01:40:35,320 --> 01:40:37,519
Speaker 2: at the Lava Shak territory, Like can we save him

2075
01:40:37,520 --> 01:40:38,759
Speaker 2: from himself? Seriously?

2076
01:40:39,000 --> 01:40:41,240
Speaker 1: And also like you know, you could say, okay, well,

2077
01:40:41,280 --> 01:40:43,840
Speaker 1: what was the last time Austin Trout was fighting relevant

2078
01:40:43,880 --> 01:40:47,840
Speaker 1: opposition twenty eighteen, twenty nineteen to Rolrochet something like that, Well,

2079
01:40:47,880 --> 01:40:48,519
Speaker 1: he's not a puncher.

2080
01:40:48,600 --> 01:40:52,160
Speaker 2: He's not a puncher, Luke, Yeah, who Trout.

2081
01:40:52,200 --> 01:40:55,640
Speaker 1: He's a slick boxer, a slate boxer. But it's BKFC.

2082
01:40:56,479 --> 01:40:59,080
Speaker 1: And even if like the last time Trout was fighting

2083
01:40:59,160 --> 01:41:03,240
Speaker 1: relevant opposition twenty nineteen and he is thirty six, thirty

2084
01:41:03,400 --> 01:41:07,680
Speaker 1: seven something like that, he's way fresher than Diego and

2085
01:41:08,040 --> 01:41:10,599
Speaker 1: you know, Diego like made a lot of his best

2086
01:41:10,640 --> 01:41:13,000
Speaker 1: work in the UFC, sometimes off striking, but typically off

2087
01:41:13,400 --> 01:41:16,439
Speaker 1: grappling and wrestling and you know, mount and things like that,

2088
01:41:16,720 --> 01:41:20,720
Speaker 1: like this is all bad news. Like I would be.

2089
01:41:21,439 --> 01:41:24,360
Speaker 1: I hope that the it's not even like cheering against

2090
01:41:24,720 --> 01:41:28,240
Speaker 1: like promoters. I don't you know. I'm not trying to like,

2091
01:41:28,320 --> 01:41:31,160
Speaker 1: oh down with BKFC. Book a different fight and it's fine,

2092
01:41:31,240 --> 01:41:34,840
Speaker 1: But dude, you can't. This is just all bad. The

2093
01:41:34,920 --> 01:41:36,720
Speaker 1: regulators need to step in here and be like, we

2094
01:41:36,840 --> 01:41:39,599
Speaker 1: can't allow this. I really hate everything about this fight.

2095
01:41:39,800 --> 01:41:42,080
Speaker 2: Look if the regulators did step in and then Uncle

2096
01:41:42,160 --> 01:41:44,080
Speaker 2: Dana was like, all right, I mean you could headline

2097
01:41:44,120 --> 01:41:47,320
Speaker 2: our first slaptic show. Is that where you exit this game?

2098
01:41:47,479 --> 01:41:49,880
Speaker 2: Is that where you say, look like when speech writing

2099
01:41:49,960 --> 01:41:51,680
Speaker 2: made my hair fall out, I gotta get or my

2100
01:41:51,760 --> 01:41:53,679
Speaker 2: nails fall I gotta get out of this racket.

2101
01:41:53,720 --> 01:41:56,479
Speaker 1: Okay, Yeah, I mean you know they start putting in

2102
01:41:56,680 --> 01:42:00,280
Speaker 1: uh you know how one will have like grappling fight,

2103
01:42:00,479 --> 01:42:02,920
Speaker 1: and then like a Muay Thai fight, they start putting

2104
01:42:02,960 --> 01:42:04,840
Speaker 1: in slat fights in between, and then I think you

2105
01:42:04,880 --> 01:42:06,240
Speaker 1: have to call it a day on this career. But

2106
01:42:07,200 --> 01:42:08,479
Speaker 1: until they keep it separate.

2107
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Speaker 2: I didn't react good to this news of Trout Sanchez,

2108
01:42:11,479 --> 01:42:14,640
Speaker 2: but remember former Walter Wait boxing champion Kermit Citrone. I

2109
01:42:14,640 --> 01:42:16,759
Speaker 2: mean he's now like well passed it and lingering.

2110
01:42:16,880 --> 01:42:18,759
Speaker 1: He's been washed for like ten years.

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01:42:19,120 --> 01:42:22,639
Speaker 2: He tweeted, if the president of BKFC wanted a good

2112
01:42:22,680 --> 01:42:24,640
Speaker 2: fight in a knockout, he would have signed me to

2113
01:42:24,720 --> 01:42:27,479
Speaker 2: fight Austin Trout. No disrespect to Austin, a great champ

2114
01:42:27,560 --> 01:42:29,840
Speaker 2: in and out of the ring. But Kermit followed that

2115
01:42:30,000 --> 01:42:33,240
Speaker 2: up with a tweet at pfl's Don Davis saying, put

2116
01:42:33,320 --> 01:42:35,479
Speaker 2: me in coach. So it seems like he wants that

2117
01:42:35,600 --> 01:42:36,200
Speaker 2: final bag.

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01:42:36,360 --> 01:42:39,960
Speaker 1: Luke. Yeah, I'm uh, you're out of respect, Kermit and

2119
01:42:40,000 --> 01:42:42,439
Speaker 1: what he did in the sport he did, we talked

2120
01:42:42,479 --> 01:42:44,439
Speaker 1: about it and like back in like two thousand and eight, like, oh,

2121
01:42:44,479 --> 01:42:46,160
Speaker 1: who would be a cool boxer that could make it?

2122
01:42:46,200 --> 01:42:48,200
Speaker 1: And you're like, oh, well, Centron wrestle a little bit,

2123
01:42:49,080 --> 01:42:49,680
Speaker 1: you know, but no.

2124
01:42:50,400 --> 01:42:53,960
Speaker 2: Like, no, no, no, no, please stop, please stop? All right, Luke,

2125
01:42:54,040 --> 01:42:56,760
Speaker 2: Topic five is our top five. But this is gonna

2126
01:42:56,800 --> 01:42:59,200
Speaker 2: be solo from you, and this one's gonna be a throwback.

2127
01:42:59,280 --> 01:43:02,040
Speaker 2: I think ten things I hate about you? Remember that

2128
01:43:02,160 --> 01:43:03,840
Speaker 2: nineties movie, Luke, I might be able to give you.

2129
01:43:04,280 --> 01:43:05,280
Speaker 1: He's actually never seen that.

2130
01:43:05,880 --> 01:43:09,080
Speaker 2: Oh it's rom com chickshit. My wife loves it. I'd

2131
01:43:09,120 --> 01:43:10,880
Speaker 2: be able to give more than ten things, Luke. That

2132
01:43:10,960 --> 01:43:14,400
Speaker 2: annoy me about you, But no one's asking me that,

2133
01:43:14,880 --> 01:43:17,040
Speaker 2: nor are they asking me what would be my top

2134
01:43:17,120 --> 01:43:19,760
Speaker 2: five things I love about MMA? And you know, can

2135
01:43:19,840 --> 01:43:22,240
Speaker 2: we go more than five one hundred and fifteen pounds women, Luke,

2136
01:43:22,280 --> 01:43:25,640
Speaker 2: that's the answer we asked you, though, to be the

2137
01:43:25,760 --> 01:43:28,840
Speaker 2: Luke Thomas's pist of hole. Then give us this. You

2138
01:43:29,080 --> 01:43:31,240
Speaker 2: rant and rave about the things that you hate about

2139
01:43:31,280 --> 01:43:34,200
Speaker 2: this game, Luke, how about you put him into a ranking.

2140
01:43:34,600 --> 01:43:37,599
Speaker 2: Luke Thomas is here with our weekly Top five, presenting

2141
01:43:38,120 --> 01:43:41,719
Speaker 2: the top five things that annoy him about this great

2142
01:43:41,800 --> 01:43:46,960
Speaker 2: sport of mixed martial arts. Luke, the floor is yours.

2143
01:43:47,400 --> 01:43:49,280
Speaker 1: Well, I won't belave with the point because I want

2144
01:43:49,280 --> 01:43:51,800
Speaker 1: to get out of here in a reasonable timeframe. But listen,

2145
01:43:51,920 --> 01:43:53,800
Speaker 1: I could make a list of one hundred things I love.

2146
01:43:54,479 --> 01:43:54,920
Speaker 3: This is not.

2147
01:43:56,520 --> 01:43:57,519
Speaker 1: This is not a question of.

2148
01:43:59,800 --> 01:43:59,840
Speaker 2: Is.

2149
01:44:00,040 --> 01:44:01,800
Speaker 1: It's the only way that I feel, of course not.

2150
01:44:02,080 --> 01:44:04,519
Speaker 1: I have complicated feelings. But there's a lot of shit

2151
01:44:04,560 --> 01:44:06,360
Speaker 1: in this game that fucking sucks. Can we just be

2152
01:44:06,439 --> 01:44:08,800
Speaker 1: honest about that? You know, half the time it's this

2153
01:44:08,880 --> 01:44:13,040
Speaker 1: podcast to be quite honest with you. But ah, I

2154
01:44:13,240 --> 01:44:15,759
Speaker 1: just there's so much shit that just drives me crazy.

2155
01:44:16,120 --> 01:44:17,800
Speaker 1: I actually had a hard time making this list, to

2156
01:44:17,840 --> 01:44:19,760
Speaker 1: be honest with you, just narrowing it down to five

2157
01:44:20,320 --> 01:44:23,240
Speaker 1: to be to be candid. But let's let's start with

2158
01:44:23,360 --> 01:44:24,679
Speaker 1: this one number.

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01:44:25,240 --> 01:44:29,240
Speaker 2: Good luck to the band's stem moving forward. Yes, all right, so.

2160
01:44:29,320 --> 01:44:30,800
Speaker 1: They made the list and then I had to cut

2161
01:44:30,840 --> 01:44:32,080
Speaker 1: it off because I was like, well, they're just not

2162
01:44:32,200 --> 01:44:35,320
Speaker 1: I mean, it's not like irrelevant thing anymore. But all right,

2163
01:44:35,439 --> 01:44:38,559
Speaker 1: let's start here. How about number five? Just the easy

2164
01:44:38,680 --> 01:44:43,040
Speaker 1: embrace of awful. I mean, no one has any discerning

2165
01:44:43,280 --> 01:44:45,560
Speaker 1: ability in the sport. Half the time it drives me

2166
01:44:45,640 --> 01:44:48,040
Speaker 1: fucking crazy, like, oh, hey, you want to go get

2167
01:44:48,080 --> 01:44:50,559
Speaker 1: a bag from some dictators and then be a part

2168
01:44:50,640 --> 01:44:54,120
Speaker 1: of propaganda video, Go do it? Hey, how many people

2169
01:44:54,200 --> 01:44:56,639
Speaker 1: have you seen been like yeah, power slap might be good.

2170
01:44:56,720 --> 01:44:59,680
Speaker 1: Please shut the fuck up, Please please just shut the

2171
01:44:59,720 --> 01:45:01,959
Speaker 1: fuck up. You know you're just saying bullshit.

2172
01:45:02,360 --> 01:45:05,519
Speaker 2: You know, Michael Chandler put that on Ig Luke and.

2173
01:45:05,720 --> 01:45:08,080
Speaker 1: You know, yeah, Michael Chandler. I love Michael Chandler. He's

2174
01:45:08,080 --> 01:45:09,760
Speaker 1: a great dude. He's been a great fighter, he's been

2175
01:45:09,760 --> 01:45:11,519
Speaker 1: an honor to cover his career. But Michael, you know

2176
01:45:11,560 --> 01:45:14,759
Speaker 1: you're just saying some shit. Come on, now these people

2177
01:45:14,840 --> 01:45:19,040
Speaker 1: out there, just everyone, not everyone, lots of people, lots

2178
01:45:19,080 --> 01:45:23,360
Speaker 1: of times will just go along with obvious bullshit and

2179
01:45:23,560 --> 01:45:29,560
Speaker 1: embrace stupid things, bad actors, bad characters, bad ideas, and

2180
01:45:29,800 --> 01:45:32,000
Speaker 1: just act like it's part of the normal flow of

2181
01:45:32,120 --> 01:45:35,240
Speaker 1: things without having any like. And then then there's me

2182
01:45:35,800 --> 01:45:37,800
Speaker 1: raising my hand being like, yo, this power slap shit

2183
01:45:37,920 --> 01:45:41,280
Speaker 1: is terrible, Like doctors think it's a remarkably shitty idea.

2184
01:45:41,479 --> 01:45:44,559
Speaker 1: Why you being a hater, Why you being a hater?

2185
01:45:45,439 --> 01:45:49,320
Speaker 1: All this fucking shit, like these mouth breathers firing back

2186
01:45:49,360 --> 01:45:50,519
Speaker 1: at me for being like, yeah, I think this is

2187
01:45:50,560 --> 01:45:54,599
Speaker 1: a really awful idea. We should probably think twice about it. Nope, nope, nope,

2188
01:45:54,840 --> 01:45:57,439
Speaker 1: easy say, are you.

2189
01:45:57,439 --> 01:46:00,479
Speaker 2: Saying Pat Militant should not have shipped on Pelosi's Is

2190
01:46:00,520 --> 01:46:01,120
Speaker 2: that what you're saying.

2191
01:46:01,400 --> 01:46:04,640
Speaker 1: I don't know if he actually made it inside, but nevertheless,

2192
01:46:05,439 --> 01:46:09,240
Speaker 1: just everyone being far too willing to embrace bad ideas,

2193
01:46:09,360 --> 01:46:14,120
Speaker 1: bad product, bad actors, bat you just name it, being like,

2194
01:46:14,200 --> 01:46:15,680
Speaker 1: well that's just what we do here. Fuck off.

2195
01:46:16,120 --> 01:46:19,040
Speaker 2: So you're saying number five is that fucking Friday has

2196
01:46:19,080 --> 01:46:21,639
Speaker 2: become a lifestyle. That's what you're saying. Everyone's just like, yeah,

2197
01:46:21,720 --> 01:46:22,000
Speaker 2: fuck it.

2198
01:46:22,560 --> 01:46:25,040
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's right. This is part of this sport. That's

2199
01:46:25,120 --> 01:46:27,880
Speaker 1: number five, number four. How about this one. Now, this

2200
01:46:28,040 --> 01:46:31,040
Speaker 1: is not universally true. In fact, I'll give some consideration

2201
01:46:31,160 --> 01:46:33,559
Speaker 1: to the ones it's not true. So shouts to New Jersey,

2202
01:46:33,640 --> 01:46:36,719
Speaker 1: it's not true there. Shouts to California in particular, definitely

2203
01:46:36,760 --> 01:46:38,639
Speaker 1: not true there. I love the was just gonna say

2204
01:46:38,640 --> 01:46:42,000
Speaker 1: they don't make mistakes as commissions. They do. They're run

2205
01:46:42,040 --> 01:46:44,479
Speaker 1: by humans. They're going to make mistakes. But in general,

2206
01:46:44,800 --> 01:46:46,600
Speaker 1: I think that they have good people staffing it and

2207
01:46:46,640 --> 01:46:49,320
Speaker 1: they try to get it right. But dude, just the

2208
01:46:49,479 --> 01:46:54,920
Speaker 1: amount of fuck boys filling up commission rosters across the

2209
01:46:55,040 --> 01:47:01,200
Speaker 1: country drives me up the fucking wall. And how final

2210
01:47:01,280 --> 01:47:04,600
Speaker 1: their say is and how terrible their decision making is.

2211
01:47:05,040 --> 01:47:07,800
Speaker 1: And this is the biggest one for me, how they

2212
01:47:08,080 --> 01:47:12,760
Speaker 1: shield everything from public transparency. You don't allow judges to

2213
01:47:12,840 --> 01:47:15,160
Speaker 1: talk to the media, You don't allow judges to do

2214
01:47:15,360 --> 01:47:18,959
Speaker 1: anything in terms of justifying their decisions. You circle the wagons,

2215
01:47:19,160 --> 01:47:22,280
Speaker 1: You keep fuckos who suck at the job on the

2216
01:47:22,439 --> 01:47:25,400
Speaker 1: job as it goes on. In particular, looking at you,

2217
01:47:25,520 --> 01:47:28,679
Speaker 1: Texas is a big one here, and it happens over

2218
01:47:28,960 --> 01:47:32,240
Speaker 1: and over and over and over and over again, and

2219
01:47:32,280 --> 01:47:34,280
Speaker 1: there's not much we can do because this is the

2220
01:47:34,760 --> 01:47:38,040
Speaker 1: system we've created. But the way in which the commissions

2221
01:47:38,320 --> 01:47:42,200
Speaker 1: circle the wagons, how they reward loyalty and fealty more

2222
01:47:42,280 --> 01:47:45,880
Speaker 1: than competence, how they refuse to do anything in terms

2223
01:47:45,920 --> 01:47:48,639
Speaker 1: of public service transparency, it drives me up the ball.

2224
01:47:48,680 --> 01:47:50,320
Speaker 1: And one of the worst defenders of this, of course

2225
01:47:50,400 --> 01:47:53,960
Speaker 1: is Nevada, who presents itself and parades itself as like

2226
01:47:54,120 --> 01:47:56,960
Speaker 1: the standard bearer of excellence and commissions, when in fact

2227
01:47:57,000 --> 01:48:01,920
Speaker 1: they just legalized or agreed to sanction anyway uh power slap,

2228
01:48:02,000 --> 01:48:05,479
Speaker 1: which is just you know, I mean, just that's really.

2229
01:48:05,400 --> 01:48:08,880
Speaker 2: The worst look for Dana White ever. Because if you're

2230
01:48:08,920 --> 01:48:11,160
Speaker 2: in the NFL, or you're in a combat sport and

2231
01:48:11,240 --> 01:48:15,840
Speaker 2: you're a professional head like you want to keep CTE

2232
01:48:16,280 --> 01:48:20,519
Speaker 2: and you know, fighters or x NFL players committing suicide

2233
01:48:20,560 --> 01:48:22,400
Speaker 2: like all the bad stuff that comes with head injury

2234
01:48:22,479 --> 01:48:26,400
Speaker 2: that's largely unavoidable because it's a contact sport. You want

2235
01:48:26,439 --> 01:48:28,880
Speaker 2: to diminish that type of talk. And they're like, no, here,

2236
01:48:29,080 --> 01:48:31,479
Speaker 2: it's the coolest new sport. No defense, let's you know,

2237
01:48:31,520 --> 01:48:32,720
Speaker 2: I mean, it's like wow.

2238
01:48:32,960 --> 01:48:35,680
Speaker 1: Wow, do they if they here's the rule. If they're

2239
01:48:35,720 --> 01:48:38,400
Speaker 1: gonna get power slap sanctioned by the Commission, they should

2240
01:48:38,400 --> 01:48:41,599
Speaker 1: be forced to call it the the CT slap League.

2241
01:48:41,680 --> 01:48:43,320
Speaker 1: Like just you know what I mean, Like, you know

2242
01:48:43,320 --> 01:48:45,080
Speaker 1: how you know when you buy cigarettes, it's like, you know,

2243
01:48:45,240 --> 01:48:48,320
Speaker 1: nicotine is like can cause baby deformities and shit like that.

2244
01:48:48,439 --> 01:48:50,840
Speaker 1: The label is right there, that should be what's on that.

2245
01:48:51,040 --> 01:48:52,720
Speaker 1: But of course you're not gonna get anything like that.

2246
01:48:53,640 --> 01:48:56,080
Speaker 2: We call it soil and green Luke. I mean, it's

2247
01:48:56,200 --> 01:48:58,400
Speaker 2: just they're just eating each other at the end of

2248
01:48:58,439 --> 01:49:01,320
Speaker 2: the day. So number five was number four was corruption,

2249
01:49:02,320 --> 01:49:02,800
Speaker 2: if I was.

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01:49:02,800 --> 01:49:07,479
Speaker 1: The breathless embrace of awful. Four is just how the

2251
01:49:07,520 --> 01:49:10,960
Speaker 1: commissions have such power and yet there are so not

2252
01:49:11,320 --> 01:49:14,679
Speaker 1: uniformly but most of the time quite awful in most states.

2253
01:49:14,760 --> 01:49:17,840
Speaker 1: That's number four. Number three I kind of I didn't

2254
01:49:17,920 --> 01:49:21,400
Speaker 1: know exactly how to rank this one a little bit,

2255
01:49:21,640 --> 01:49:26,479
Speaker 1: so all right, I'll say it this way. Listen, there

2256
01:49:26,600 --> 01:49:29,000
Speaker 1: is a ton of good work that the MMA media does.

2257
01:49:29,080 --> 01:49:32,519
Speaker 1: We are part of it, and this podcast just I mean, listen,

2258
01:49:32,840 --> 01:49:34,519
Speaker 1: half the time we're just jacking off. I mean, this

2259
01:49:34,640 --> 01:49:38,720
Speaker 1: is really I'm sure Dana was right, we are This

2260
01:49:38,840 --> 01:49:40,240
Speaker 1: is we should change the name of this show and

2261
01:49:40,280 --> 01:49:42,840
Speaker 1: from Morning Combat to the scumbag MMA media. I don't

2262
01:49:42,880 --> 01:49:46,280
Speaker 1: present myself to you as Seymour Hirsch doing investigative reporting.

2263
01:49:46,320 --> 01:49:49,080
Speaker 1: It's not who I am. But what I don't like

2264
01:49:49,360 --> 01:49:51,760
Speaker 1: at all is when MMA media get their backs up

2265
01:49:51,840 --> 01:49:54,120
Speaker 1: and say, oh, no, no, no, we do really quality

2266
01:49:54,200 --> 01:49:56,720
Speaker 1: work on the investigative side all the time. There are

2267
01:49:56,760 --> 01:49:59,799
Speaker 1: a couple of actors who do. Mark Ramondi who does sometimes.

2268
01:50:00,600 --> 01:50:02,880
Speaker 1: I would say Stephen Morocco over at MMA Fighting is

2269
01:50:02,880 --> 01:50:05,840
Speaker 1: one of the better ones at this. It does happen. Guys,

2270
01:50:06,240 --> 01:50:09,800
Speaker 1: I have been in positions of editorial power for about

2271
01:50:09,880 --> 01:50:13,320
Speaker 1: fifteen years. Stop fucking lying to the public and stop

2272
01:50:13,439 --> 01:50:16,160
Speaker 1: lying to yourselves. If you are proud about your individual

2273
01:50:16,240 --> 01:50:19,439
Speaker 1: record on reporting, then you can do that. Here's just

2274
01:50:19,600 --> 01:50:24,000
Speaker 1: the reality, dude. You never almost never see stories on

2275
01:50:24,200 --> 01:50:26,200
Speaker 1: MMA managers. You want to know why, because they're the

2276
01:50:26,280 --> 01:50:29,360
Speaker 1: gatekeepers to getting interviews. You get sideways with them, you

2277
01:50:29,560 --> 01:50:32,240
Speaker 1: lose them. There are a lot of people who get aggressive,

2278
01:50:32,360 --> 01:50:35,160
Speaker 1: nasty calls all the time from promoters, and not just UFC,

2279
01:50:35,320 --> 01:50:36,880
Speaker 1: by the way, there's some other ones out there as

2280
01:50:36,920 --> 01:50:38,479
Speaker 1: well that do the exact same thing. Even though they

2281
01:50:38,520 --> 01:50:41,519
Speaker 1: have the same power and it cows media into silence,

2282
01:50:41,560 --> 01:50:44,120
Speaker 1: and by the way, their employers don't really necessarily empower

2283
01:50:44,120 --> 01:50:46,200
Speaker 1: them to do much either. But the bigger point is

2284
01:50:46,600 --> 01:50:49,320
Speaker 1: not that MMA media was ever having a halcyon days

2285
01:50:49,360 --> 01:50:53,160
Speaker 1: of you know, Woodward and Bernstein. But the reality is

2286
01:50:53,400 --> 01:50:55,959
Speaker 1: most of the jobs where people did anything about advancing

2287
01:50:56,000 --> 01:50:58,040
Speaker 1: a story and then writing something critically about people in

2288
01:50:58,080 --> 01:51:01,000
Speaker 1: positions of power, most of those jobs have been gutted

2289
01:51:01,120 --> 01:51:03,600
Speaker 1: and they're gone. You talking about it and this and

2290
01:51:03,720 --> 01:51:06,599
Speaker 1: this involves me in BC two talking about your podcast

2291
01:51:06,720 --> 01:51:09,080
Speaker 1: has some value that's not really the same as like

2292
01:51:09,280 --> 01:51:12,760
Speaker 1: actual reporting and pushback on real positions of power. The

2293
01:51:12,960 --> 01:51:17,680
Speaker 1: idea that MMA media is like adversarial and appropriately forceful

2294
01:51:18,080 --> 01:51:22,080
Speaker 1: in questioning and going after power. Stop fucking telling the

2295
01:51:22,160 --> 01:51:25,840
Speaker 1: public that it's not true. It's absolutely matter of factly,

2296
01:51:25,920 --> 01:51:29,479
Speaker 1: with exceptions here or there. It just drives me crazy

2297
01:51:29,760 --> 01:51:32,559
Speaker 1: when they go into denial about the powers that they

2298
01:51:32,640 --> 01:51:34,920
Speaker 1: have and what they're what their actual record is not

2299
01:51:35,160 --> 01:51:36,680
Speaker 1: fucking true at all. There.

2300
01:51:36,760 --> 01:51:42,040
Speaker 2: You would applaud ESPN's coverage of this UFC gambling situation.

2301
01:51:41,760 --> 01:51:44,040
Speaker 1: Right, Mark Ramundy is a shot. It's not to say

2302
01:51:44,080 --> 01:51:45,360
Speaker 1: that it doesn't happen BC.

2303
01:51:45,560 --> 01:51:48,400
Speaker 2: It's not to say giving them a high five like

2304
01:51:48,439 --> 01:51:51,160
Speaker 2: they're in an interesting spot, as the as the major

2305
01:51:51,240 --> 01:51:52,760
Speaker 2: rights hold are a very interesting.

2306
01:51:52,640 --> 01:51:54,759
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, I mean, I'm sure it's causing some friction

2307
01:51:54,960 --> 01:51:57,240
Speaker 1: between the two entities there. So God bless Mark Ramundi

2308
01:51:57,280 --> 01:51:59,120
Speaker 1: for doing it. I really applaud him. He's one of

2309
01:51:59,360 --> 01:52:01,840
Speaker 1: the shining And again, who are we? You and I?

2310
01:52:02,000 --> 01:52:04,479
Speaker 1: We're two morons who have a moron podcast. I'm not

2311
01:52:04,600 --> 01:52:07,560
Speaker 1: contributing to the solution either, but I can admit that

2312
01:52:07,680 --> 01:52:10,920
Speaker 1: I'm telling you, I'm admitting that I understand that everyone

2313
01:52:10,960 --> 01:52:12,800
Speaker 1: else should be as honest about it as we are.

2314
01:52:13,000 --> 01:52:13,880
Speaker 1: That's what I'm trying to get.

2315
01:52:13,920 --> 01:52:16,080
Speaker 2: We're entertainers, Luke, this is all k fabe.

2316
01:52:17,200 --> 01:52:18,800
Speaker 1: It's not all k fabe. I mean, we do give

2317
01:52:18,840 --> 01:52:20,920
Speaker 1: our real opinions. But yeah, I mean, this is much

2318
01:52:20,960 --> 01:52:22,479
Speaker 1: more entertainment than it is anything else.

2319
01:52:22,760 --> 01:52:26,880
Speaker 2: So you're saying the credibility to reality shown in the

2320
01:52:26,920 --> 01:52:29,960
Speaker 2: Morning Combat documentaries is very similar to how the MA

2321
01:52:30,080 --> 01:52:31,880
Speaker 2: media covers the sport. That's what you're saying.

2322
01:52:31,960 --> 01:52:34,080
Speaker 1: Something like that. Listen, I don't think that the guys

2323
01:52:34,120 --> 01:52:36,200
Speaker 1: go out there and intentionally try to do a bad

2324
01:52:36,400 --> 01:52:39,479
Speaker 1: job or deceive the public. That's not what I'm saying.

2325
01:52:39,680 --> 01:52:42,439
Speaker 1: I'm not saying that they're dishonest in that way. What

2326
01:52:42,560 --> 01:52:45,160
Speaker 1: I am saying is you cannot sit here and tell

2327
01:52:45,280 --> 01:52:49,040
Speaker 1: me they are designed by their bosses or the pressures

2328
01:52:49,040 --> 01:52:54,439
Speaker 1: from the industry to do sufficiently investigative adversarial reporting. It's

2329
01:52:54,560 --> 01:52:56,760
Speaker 1: just not true. It's just not true. You got to

2330
01:52:56,760 --> 01:52:58,719
Speaker 1: stop saying that it's true. It's not true. It hasn't

2331
01:52:58,760 --> 01:53:02,400
Speaker 1: really ever been true, and it's especially not true now.

2332
01:53:03,000 --> 01:53:05,320
Speaker 1: And by the way, like if it wasn't for John Nash,

2333
01:53:05,360 --> 01:53:07,840
Speaker 1: who's part time and doesn't need credentials, and by the ways,

2334
01:53:07,840 --> 01:53:10,920
Speaker 1: with bloody elbow, who's banned for most promotions anyway, if

2335
01:53:10,960 --> 01:53:12,880
Speaker 1: it wasn't for him, what will we know about fighter pay?

2336
01:53:13,120 --> 01:53:15,080
Speaker 1: What is everyone else doing? What are we doing when

2337
01:53:15,120 --> 01:53:17,600
Speaker 1: we amplify his work, or what are we doing in

2338
01:53:17,680 --> 01:53:20,960
Speaker 1: service of that? Fuck all? Fuck all? So like, spare

2339
01:53:21,080 --> 01:53:22,960
Speaker 1: me this shit about how we deserve to be like

2340
01:53:23,080 --> 01:53:24,160
Speaker 1: treated as like we are a.

2341
01:53:26,040 --> 01:53:28,200
Speaker 2: Boy's bag away from shutting the fuck up.

2342
01:53:28,240 --> 01:53:30,720
Speaker 1: And you know it, Okay, I'm just saying we a

2343
01:53:31,479 --> 01:53:33,479
Speaker 1: I'm admitted to like the fact that if it wasn't

2344
01:53:33,479 --> 01:53:36,400
Speaker 1: for John Nash or also Paul Gift, what would we

2345
01:53:36,520 --> 01:53:37,400
Speaker 1: know about fighter pay?

2346
01:53:37,920 --> 01:53:40,759
Speaker 2: And guys like Josh Gross have been through the wars,

2347
01:53:40,840 --> 01:53:43,719
Speaker 2: are on the other side of the fence and act exactly.

2348
01:53:43,760 --> 01:53:45,960
Speaker 1: There are guys who have done that ship like Josh Gross,

2349
01:53:46,000 --> 01:53:48,599
Speaker 1: for example, on managerial work. One of the last things

2350
01:53:48,680 --> 01:53:50,400
Speaker 1: he did for The Athletic was a big piece on

2351
01:53:51,280 --> 01:53:54,080
Speaker 1: on Ali. Right, he did a huge expose on Ali.

2352
01:53:54,400 --> 01:53:56,559
Speaker 1: That kind of shit has all been gutted. And by

2353
01:53:56,560 --> 01:53:58,760
Speaker 1: the way, like, who can you really blame for this?

2354
01:53:58,960 --> 01:54:02,720
Speaker 1: The Athletic kind of ruined MMA journalism. They hired all

2355
01:54:02,920 --> 01:54:05,800
Speaker 1: the best writers away from all the various places and

2356
01:54:05,920 --> 01:54:09,799
Speaker 1: then lay them all off, right, just in one fell swoop,

2357
01:54:09,920 --> 01:54:12,840
Speaker 1: taking all of that service and then just cutting it

2358
01:54:12,880 --> 01:54:14,720
Speaker 1: off from the industry. They fucked it up big time.

2359
01:54:15,160 --> 01:54:17,320
Speaker 1: What I'm trying to say is everyone needs to take

2360
01:54:17,320 --> 01:54:18,920
Speaker 1: a look in the mirror about what they actually do.

2361
01:54:19,120 --> 01:54:21,439
Speaker 1: We do we we just do dumb shit on this show.

2362
01:54:21,720 --> 01:54:24,160
Speaker 1: But we get say that, say that out loud? What

2363
01:54:24,400 --> 01:54:27,760
Speaker 1: actually is happening here? Okay? That was that? Three? That

2364
01:54:27,920 --> 01:54:28,280
Speaker 1: was three?

2365
01:54:28,400 --> 01:54:28,599
Speaker 2: Yeah?

2366
01:54:28,640 --> 01:54:29,080
Speaker 1: This is great.

2367
01:54:29,160 --> 01:54:32,160
Speaker 2: This is an interesting character study. Look, I'm hoping has

2368
01:54:32,200 --> 01:54:33,680
Speaker 2: Bulah shows up on here, keep it going.

2369
01:54:34,040 --> 01:54:36,040
Speaker 1: He's just no, I don't hate how I told you.

2370
01:54:36,120 --> 01:54:37,400
Speaker 1: I don't hate Hosbula dude like.

2371
01:54:37,480 --> 01:54:39,720
Speaker 2: I love them, but you sometimes are sour toward that

2372
01:54:40,080 --> 01:54:40,680
Speaker 2: little I'm.

2373
01:54:40,560 --> 01:54:43,360
Speaker 1: Sour towards everyone pretending that like they love him for

2374
01:54:43,800 --> 01:54:45,160
Speaker 1: totally innocent reasons.

2375
01:54:45,880 --> 01:54:46,000
Speaker 3: Uh.

2376
01:54:47,080 --> 01:54:49,280
Speaker 1: Number I debated about where to put this one BC.

2377
01:54:49,840 --> 01:54:53,080
Speaker 1: I debated, but I'm gonna put it number two. The

2378
01:54:53,240 --> 01:54:58,840
Speaker 1: wooing wooing at events. Seriously, I don't really believe in

2379
01:54:59,320 --> 01:55:02,360
Speaker 1: martial law corporal punishment, but everyone who does this should

2380
01:55:02,360 --> 01:55:05,480
Speaker 1: have their balls hit with a car antenna repeatedly at

2381
01:55:05,560 --> 01:55:06,120
Speaker 1: these events.

2382
01:55:06,400 --> 01:55:06,440
Speaker 3: You.

2383
01:55:08,560 --> 01:55:13,440
Speaker 1: I wish Darwin was around today to find evidence about

2384
01:55:13,560 --> 01:55:18,640
Speaker 1: evolution being true. Nothing tells us we come from primates

2385
01:55:18,800 --> 01:55:23,960
Speaker 1: more than low level primates showing up to events and

2386
01:55:24,160 --> 01:55:28,680
Speaker 1: doing their mating calls of wooing to other low level

2387
01:55:28,760 --> 01:55:33,920
Speaker 1: primates to get together. Then what happens at MMA events.

2388
01:55:34,360 --> 01:55:38,400
Speaker 1: It is the scourge of oh luke, we're just having fun. Hey,

2389
01:55:38,480 --> 01:55:41,240
Speaker 1: you know you can have fun without being a fucking

2390
01:55:41,360 --> 01:55:44,680
Speaker 1: jackass about it, right and like yelling in other people's

2391
01:55:44,760 --> 01:55:48,800
Speaker 1: faces for no apparent reason other than should just do

2392
01:55:49,000 --> 01:55:51,000
Speaker 1: it and be like dude, you know what, you know

2393
01:55:51,040 --> 01:55:53,720
Speaker 1: what it is. There are people who like, I like

2394
01:55:53,760 --> 01:55:56,160
Speaker 1: to jaywalk just to get to a place quicker. But

2395
01:55:56,280 --> 01:55:58,200
Speaker 1: then there are people who like to jaywalk. Is like, yo,

2396
01:55:58,320 --> 01:56:00,920
Speaker 1: fuck cars, right, Like fuck this guy, You're gonna slow

2397
01:56:00,960 --> 01:56:04,320
Speaker 1: down for me, even when they're jaywalking because they don't

2398
01:56:04,360 --> 01:56:07,160
Speaker 1: get enough attention in their life. People who woo at

2399
01:56:07,280 --> 01:56:10,280
Speaker 1: MMA events. Mommy and daddy didn't give them enough hugs,

2400
01:56:10,480 --> 01:56:12,560
Speaker 1: They didn't get enough pats on the back when they

2401
01:56:12,600 --> 01:56:15,680
Speaker 1: were growing up, and this is their way of proclaiming

2402
01:56:16,320 --> 01:56:19,560
Speaker 1: to the world that they need attention, and so they

2403
01:56:19,680 --> 01:56:23,520
Speaker 1: do it in the most boorish manner possible wooing at

2404
01:56:23,680 --> 01:56:27,040
Speaker 1: MMA events. All of you people deserve to be tased

2405
01:56:27,320 --> 01:56:28,080
Speaker 1: on your way out there.

2406
01:56:28,280 --> 01:56:31,040
Speaker 2: I mean, it's it's the audible, you know, it's the

2407
01:56:31,120 --> 01:56:33,760
Speaker 2: audible equivalent to the wave, which is stupid and lame

2408
01:56:33,800 --> 01:56:35,480
Speaker 2: as well, which is another way for the crowd to

2409
01:56:35,520 --> 01:56:37,720
Speaker 2: announce that they're here. But I think it's the pro

2410
01:56:37,800 --> 01:56:40,840
Speaker 2: wrestling connection that kills you. Luke, would you be put

2411
01:56:40,880 --> 01:56:41,200
Speaker 2: your head?

2412
01:56:41,840 --> 01:56:43,680
Speaker 1: They didn't used to do it, dude. You can go

2413
01:56:43,760 --> 01:56:46,480
Speaker 1: back and watch events from like, no, even they didn't do.

2414
01:56:46,520 --> 01:56:48,560
Speaker 2: It right, But I think that's part of your anger.

2415
01:56:48,640 --> 01:56:50,480
Speaker 2: But my point is this, let's put your money where

2416
01:56:50,480 --> 01:56:52,200
Speaker 2: your mouth is. If you hate wooing this much and

2417
01:56:52,240 --> 01:56:54,240
Speaker 2: you put it number to the number two thing you

2418
01:56:54,560 --> 01:56:57,600
Speaker 2: hate the most about this filthy sport, would you trade

2419
01:56:57,640 --> 01:57:02,160
Speaker 2: it for Eddie Hearn's England Sweet Caroline forced job on us?

2420
01:57:02,200 --> 01:57:04,240
Speaker 2: Would you trade it for that? Would you get you

2421
01:57:04,360 --> 01:57:06,600
Speaker 2: can have no more wooing, but we have to play

2422
01:57:06,600 --> 01:57:08,400
Speaker 2: Sweet Caroline before the main event each time.

2423
01:57:11,600 --> 01:57:14,080
Speaker 1: Jesus, this is Sophie's choice. If ever there was one,

2424
01:57:19,680 --> 01:57:22,160
Speaker 1: I would take the wooing over Sweet Caroline. But the

2425
01:57:22,280 --> 01:57:24,680
Speaker 1: thing is I didn't put Sweet Caroline on the list

2426
01:57:24,760 --> 01:57:28,280
Speaker 1: because I more commonly associate that with boxing. Yeah, it

2427
01:57:28,400 --> 01:57:30,680
Speaker 1: is right, it is. Yeah. So I mean, I know

2428
01:57:30,800 --> 01:57:32,480
Speaker 1: Darren Tail and some other guys love it or whatever,

2429
01:57:32,600 --> 01:57:35,960
Speaker 1: but it's it's still more. I mean, it's become English

2430
01:57:36,080 --> 01:57:38,600
Speaker 1: culture to yeah, to celebrate, you know, even though it's

2431
01:57:38,600 --> 01:57:41,720
Speaker 1: an American song about a guy just admiring a young woman,

2432
01:57:41,760 --> 01:57:43,960
Speaker 1: which is our young girl. Really it's kind of weird.

2433
01:57:44,000 --> 01:57:47,480
Speaker 1: But okay, neither here nor they're fucking looing just put

2434
01:57:47,480 --> 01:57:50,320
Speaker 1: a gag in their mouth, I mean, you know what,

2435
01:57:50,520 --> 01:57:52,160
Speaker 1: or just as a general rule. Oh you want a

2436
01:57:52,200 --> 01:57:54,760
Speaker 1: wood events sweet, here's the deal. You got to get

2437
01:57:55,120 --> 01:57:57,360
Speaker 1: vasectomy first, and then we could call it a day. Fine,

2438
01:57:57,480 --> 01:58:00,200
Speaker 1: fine deal deal made. Go get it a second. To me,

2439
01:58:00,320 --> 01:58:02,880
Speaker 1: you can woo until your heart's content, all right.

2440
01:58:03,120 --> 01:58:06,000
Speaker 2: I would rather be the play by play announcer for

2441
01:58:06,200 --> 01:58:10,360
Speaker 2: Dana White Slaptic League, then endure the first needle and

2442
01:58:10,400 --> 01:58:12,480
Speaker 2: a half again in that three needle sandwich. Look, I

2443
01:58:12,520 --> 01:58:15,600
Speaker 2: mean that is it's demeaning. It's the most I didn't

2444
01:58:15,600 --> 01:58:18,440
Speaker 2: think you could have pain that that aggressive. I never

2445
01:58:18,520 --> 01:58:19,920
Speaker 2: I didn't think it was Paul. I didn't think you could.

2446
01:58:20,080 --> 01:58:22,280
Speaker 1: I mean, I'm partly doing a bit here for the show, right,

2447
01:58:22,320 --> 01:58:23,960
Speaker 1: I mean this is entertainment. I mean I don't know

2448
01:58:23,960 --> 01:58:25,760
Speaker 1: how much I actually care, but you know, for the

2449
01:58:25,800 --> 01:58:27,160
Speaker 1: fun of the show, I'm going to do a bit.

2450
01:58:27,840 --> 01:58:30,280
Speaker 1: But yes, if you would be willing to, you know,

2451
01:58:30,440 --> 01:58:33,360
Speaker 1: no longer reproduce. Please woo until your heart's content. That's

2452
01:58:33,360 --> 01:58:34,760
Speaker 1: a fair deal. I think that's a fair trade.

2453
01:58:34,800 --> 01:58:36,840
Speaker 2: BC no idea what number one is going to be.

2454
01:58:36,920 --> 01:58:39,200
Speaker 2: And this is if it's Johanna, we're fighting, But what

2455
01:58:39,280 --> 01:58:39,680
Speaker 2: do you got.

2456
01:58:39,720 --> 01:58:42,200
Speaker 1: No, it's not I never got personal in that way.

2457
01:58:42,840 --> 01:58:44,640
Speaker 1: But number one for me, and this is why I

2458
01:58:44,680 --> 01:58:46,760
Speaker 1: debated because I didn't know. But like, if I really

2459
01:58:46,960 --> 01:58:51,880
Speaker 1: think longitudinally, the thing that just drives me the most

2460
01:58:52,080 --> 01:59:01,360
Speaker 1: insane is the rampant gullibility to promoter speak. Oh my god,

2461
01:59:02,600 --> 01:59:03,680
Speaker 1: this drives me up.

2462
01:59:03,680 --> 01:59:03,920
Speaker 2: The one.

2463
01:59:03,960 --> 01:59:05,440
Speaker 1: By the way, this goes back to MMA media, where

2464
01:59:05,440 --> 01:59:07,240
Speaker 1: promoters just say shit and then they just repeat it

2465
01:59:07,320 --> 01:59:10,360
Speaker 1: without any like verification if it's true or not. But

2466
01:59:10,480 --> 01:59:12,720
Speaker 1: for example, we just had the we just talked about

2467
01:59:12,760 --> 01:59:14,760
Speaker 1: the one card, great card, looking forward to watching it,

2468
01:59:14,800 --> 01:59:16,360
Speaker 1: can't wait to talk about it on Monday. It's gonna

2469
01:59:16,360 --> 01:59:19,840
Speaker 1: be awesome, right talking about their weight cutting system. Oh

2470
01:59:19,880 --> 01:59:22,120
Speaker 1: you know, they saw weight cutting. And then people like

2471
01:59:22,280 --> 01:59:24,560
Speaker 1: me when they say shit like this, be like, well,

2472
01:59:24,560 --> 01:59:26,080
Speaker 1: we don't have any evidence for it, And then I

2473
01:59:26,240 --> 01:59:32,480
Speaker 1: have to encounter avalanches BC, avalanches of people saying you're

2474
01:59:32,520 --> 01:59:35,640
Speaker 1: a hater, you just don't like them, but like any

2475
01:59:35,920 --> 01:59:38,920
Speaker 1: number of bad faith critiques, like nothing actually about the

2476
01:59:38,960 --> 01:59:40,560
Speaker 1: merit of it, even though there's no evidence for it.

2477
01:59:40,960 --> 01:59:42,760
Speaker 1: And then this is the worst part about it, BC,

2478
01:59:43,200 --> 01:59:46,320
Speaker 1: then it actually gets proven that there's total bullshit or

2479
01:59:46,440 --> 01:59:48,200
Speaker 1: you know, it doesn't do what they say it does anyway.

2480
01:59:48,400 --> 01:59:50,960
Speaker 1: At a bare minimum, and then there is never the

2481
01:59:51,120 --> 01:59:54,040
Speaker 1: corresponding response of ge Luke, like maybe there was something

2482
01:59:54,080 --> 01:59:57,920
Speaker 1: to this skepticism that you employed early on doesn't exist.

2483
01:59:58,080 --> 02:00:02,640
Speaker 1: And then the gullibility goes the opposite way, where they'll

2484
02:00:02,680 --> 02:00:05,920
Speaker 1: say things like Anderson Silva took a dive and they'll

2485
02:00:05,960 --> 02:00:10,480
Speaker 1: be like resolute about it despite direct evidence contradicting that

2486
02:00:10,640 --> 02:00:13,480
Speaker 1: in all number of ways, video evidence and otherwise. So

2487
02:00:13,600 --> 02:00:19,280
Speaker 1: it's like gullibility in all the wrong misdirected ways about

2488
02:00:19,320 --> 02:00:22,840
Speaker 1: the industry, about promoter speak, they latch onto what a

2489
02:00:22,880 --> 02:00:25,640
Speaker 1: promoter says, they assume it is true. It could take

2490
02:00:25,880 --> 02:00:29,240
Speaker 1: years to prove otherwise, and then there's no effort at

2491
02:00:29,320 --> 02:00:31,200
Speaker 1: being like wow, like maybe we should be a little

2492
02:00:31,240 --> 02:00:35,200
Speaker 1: bit more thoughtful about reacting to what promoters say than

2493
02:00:35,480 --> 02:00:38,960
Speaker 1: just accepting it blindly. But they don't. It just this

2494
02:00:39,080 --> 02:00:41,360
Speaker 1: is what everyone does. And then we have to just

2495
02:00:41,480 --> 02:00:45,120
Speaker 1: deal with the results as a consequence. This is an enduring, enduring,

2496
02:00:46,240 --> 02:00:52,440
Speaker 1: enduring problem that makes me want to go fucking ballistic.

2497
02:00:53,200 --> 02:00:54,680
Speaker 2: Look, you might be in the wrong business.

2498
02:00:54,800 --> 02:00:58,400
Speaker 1: You ever think about that, BC, I thought a lot

2499
02:00:58,440 --> 02:01:00,960
Speaker 1: about that. Oh yeah, there it is.

2500
02:01:01,120 --> 02:01:04,160
Speaker 2: Your top five of the week. Luke Thomas was able

2501
02:01:04,200 --> 02:01:07,680
Speaker 2: to get that off his chest, Thank you very much.

2502
02:01:08,120 --> 02:01:11,640
Speaker 2: No face the pain, no stem. I would like if

2503
02:01:11,720 --> 02:01:14,800
Speaker 2: grappling showed up on there, Luke, I wouldn't mind that,

2504
02:01:15,080 --> 02:01:21,240
Speaker 2: you know, or men's fight, you know, or here you go. Yeah, hey, look,

2505
02:01:21,680 --> 02:01:23,520
Speaker 2: we're not always right. You may not have been right

2506
02:01:23,560 --> 02:01:25,640
Speaker 2: in that top five, but let's close Friday by giving

2507
02:01:25,680 --> 02:01:27,680
Speaker 2: the fans a chance to put their fingers in our

2508
02:01:27,800 --> 02:01:31,040
Speaker 2: sores and swivel it around a little bit. Morningcombat at

2509
02:01:31,120 --> 02:01:35,520
Speaker 2: gmail dot com is your email inbox to find out

2510
02:01:36,240 --> 02:01:38,880
Speaker 2: if you got receipts to put us on the trial,

2511
02:01:39,240 --> 02:01:42,320
Speaker 2: to squat that fence and take that l and find

2512
02:01:42,360 --> 02:01:47,960
Speaker 2: out if we was actually dead. Wrong, bitch fuck? All right,

2513
02:01:48,440 --> 02:01:52,120
Speaker 2: yeah you better come correct here, Okay, come original. This

2514
02:01:52,240 --> 02:01:55,880
Speaker 2: is Jordan from Hawaii, he says during episode three eighty

2515
02:01:55,920 --> 02:02:00,480
Speaker 2: at fifty one thirty BC mentions Hills. I think this

2516
02:02:00,720 --> 02:02:06,560
Speaker 2: is Angela Hill's stoppage win against quote, maybe against Whitmyer. However,

2517
02:02:06,720 --> 02:02:08,720
Speaker 2: you were likely trying to find the name of either

2518
02:02:09,000 --> 02:02:14,440
Speaker 2: Arion Carnelosi, unlikely given her muscularity. Well, this guy's just

2519
02:02:14,520 --> 02:02:16,840
Speaker 2: making an editorials, Luke, about who I like here or

2520
02:02:16,920 --> 02:02:20,480
Speaker 2: Hannah Cipher's which was probably more similar to Whitmyer's appearance

2521
02:02:20,560 --> 02:02:24,200
Speaker 2: or build instead. BC, you probably got other reasons for

2522
02:02:24,320 --> 02:02:27,360
Speaker 2: thinking it was Spitfire, not just a straw white reason.

2523
02:02:27,480 --> 02:02:30,680
Speaker 2: But also she's MK's biggest fan, or maybe you're her

2524
02:02:30,760 --> 02:02:34,280
Speaker 2: biggest fan, right BC. Anyway, this guy's rambling, Luke. But

2525
02:02:34,560 --> 02:02:37,840
Speaker 2: apparently Angela Hill never beat Emily Whitmyer, so assume me.

2526
02:02:37,920 --> 02:02:41,320
Speaker 1: Okay, all right, I think I even co signed on it,

2527
02:02:41,400 --> 02:02:42,960
Speaker 1: so I'm a fraudulent piece of shit too.

2528
02:02:43,360 --> 02:02:47,240
Speaker 2: Come here, Spitfire. Yeah, yeah, I mean, it wasn't really

2529
02:02:47,320 --> 02:02:48,120
Speaker 2: that aggressive, but.

2530
02:02:48,240 --> 02:02:51,280
Speaker 1: You know, no, no, no, no, it wasn't aggressive, but

2531
02:02:51,440 --> 02:02:55,920
Speaker 1: it was, yeah, the closest I've ever seen you to

2532
02:02:56,120 --> 02:02:59,880
Speaker 1: like like an inner Billy d Williams come out of you,

2533
02:03:00,040 --> 02:03:00,600
Speaker 1: you know what I mean?

2534
02:03:01,560 --> 02:03:04,560
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah I do. I do. That guy

2535
02:03:04,600 --> 02:03:06,240
Speaker 2: has been around a long time. Let's go over to

2536
02:03:06,320 --> 02:03:09,520
Speaker 2: Alex from Southampton. He says, hi, guys. In episode three

2537
02:03:09,600 --> 02:03:15,120
Speaker 2: seventy nine, at BC says that Daniel Kinahan helped negotiate

2538
02:03:15,240 --> 02:03:18,400
Speaker 2: the Fury versus White fight, but it was the Fury

2539
02:03:18,520 --> 02:03:22,080
Speaker 2: versus AJ fight that fell apart that he helped negotiate.

2540
02:03:22,120 --> 02:03:25,839
Speaker 2: What he so he's claiming that I made the reference

2541
02:03:25,960 --> 02:03:29,480
Speaker 2: that because remember that video. We're Tyson Fury during a

2542
02:03:29,560 --> 02:03:32,000
Speaker 2: time when when they were trying to hush hush Daniel

2543
02:03:32,040 --> 02:03:35,760
Speaker 2: Kinahan's involvement came out and thanked Kinahan for negotiating the fight.

2544
02:03:36,000 --> 02:03:37,680
Speaker 2: Apparently the dead wrong is that I said it was

2545
02:03:37,760 --> 02:03:41,560
Speaker 2: the Dillion White fight. It was really the Fury versus

2546
02:03:41,680 --> 02:03:44,680
Speaker 2: AJ fight, which was negotiated but never happened. Remember like

2547
02:03:44,720 --> 02:03:48,320
Speaker 2: a year ago that almost happened. I'm making sense here, Yeah.

2548
02:03:49,360 --> 02:03:51,640
Speaker 1: I don't quite understand what they're accusing you.

2549
02:03:51,760 --> 02:03:55,360
Speaker 2: Of of referencing that time Fury put the video out

2550
02:03:55,400 --> 02:03:57,840
Speaker 2: on Twitter thanking Kinahan. I said it was ahead of

2551
02:03:57,880 --> 02:03:59,880
Speaker 2: the Dillion White fight. It was ahead of the AJ

2552
02:04:00,080 --> 02:04:02,720
Speaker 2: fight that never happened, is apparently what happened to him.

2553
02:04:03,400 --> 02:04:07,040
Speaker 2: So PS quick question for BC. Who wins Liam Smith

2554
02:04:07,760 --> 02:04:11,040
Speaker 2: versus Chris U Bank Junior? Thanks guys, Alex from southam.

2555
02:04:11,160 --> 02:04:13,760
Speaker 2: That's a good fight actually, by the way, BF Smith

2556
02:04:13,760 --> 02:04:15,480
Speaker 2: a former title holder at one fifty four. I got

2557
02:04:15,560 --> 02:04:17,760
Speaker 2: to move up here. Chris You Bank Junior can bang.

2558
02:04:18,040 --> 02:04:20,880
Speaker 2: He's trying to reinvent himself with Roy Jones. I still

2559
02:04:21,040 --> 02:04:23,520
Speaker 2: like you Bank because of the power. I still think

2560
02:04:23,640 --> 02:04:26,120
Speaker 2: that he's got he's got something in him. Let's see

2561
02:04:26,120 --> 02:04:28,360
Speaker 2: what happens here. Liam Smith a tough out, but he

2562
02:04:28,480 --> 02:04:31,360
Speaker 2: is smaller. Luke, Let's go over to Sting, he says, Hey,

2563
02:04:31,480 --> 02:04:34,160
Speaker 2: Luke and Brian. On episode three seventy nine at one

2564
02:04:34,240 --> 02:04:37,320
Speaker 2: twenty eight and ten seconds, when discussing the twenty twenty

2565
02:04:37,360 --> 02:04:40,760
Speaker 2: two feet of World Cup in Brazil being choke artists lately,

2566
02:04:41,400 --> 02:04:44,919
Speaker 2: BC compares Brazil to Lebron James in the NBA Finals,

2567
02:04:45,320 --> 02:04:49,400
Speaker 2: stating that despite choking, Lebron still has three rings. Lebron

2568
02:04:49,440 --> 02:04:51,760
Speaker 2: actually has four rings, two with the Heat that's right,

2569
02:04:51,800 --> 02:04:54,600
Speaker 2: and one with the Cavs and Lakers. Love the show

2570
02:04:54,680 --> 02:04:56,560
Speaker 2: and appreciate all you do. Yeah yeah, Luk, I got

2571
02:04:56,600 --> 02:04:57,840
Speaker 2: a lot of hate for this. I will take this,

2572
02:04:58,120 --> 02:05:00,360
Speaker 2: l I won't take all the hate of like BC,

2573
02:05:00,800 --> 02:05:02,360
Speaker 2: you're over your head on the NBA. You don't know

2574
02:05:02,400 --> 02:05:05,920
Speaker 2: what you're talking about here. I was overly harsh under

2575
02:05:05,960 --> 02:05:09,280
Speaker 2: the summation that Lebron chokes in the finals. I don't

2576
02:05:09,280 --> 02:05:12,120
Speaker 2: think ultimately that he does. I don't think that's real.

2577
02:05:12,680 --> 02:05:15,160
Speaker 2: But he has lost more than he's won. But I

2578
02:05:15,200 --> 02:05:17,320
Speaker 2: don't think I'm did wrong On my point that whether

2579
02:05:17,360 --> 02:05:19,440
Speaker 2: I was wrong on how many rings he had, we

2580
02:05:19,600 --> 02:05:22,320
Speaker 2: don't and probably shouldn't call him a choker or not,

2581
02:05:22,520 --> 02:05:24,800
Speaker 2: even though more often than not the TI HO at

2582
02:05:24,840 --> 02:05:26,760
Speaker 2: the highest level, he didn't get it done. But when

2583
02:05:26,760 --> 02:05:28,240
Speaker 2: you get it done a certain amount of times and

2584
02:05:28,280 --> 02:05:30,720
Speaker 2: you're in the finals eight straight years and you're MVP,

2585
02:05:31,000 --> 02:05:33,480
Speaker 2: like until you're forty, it doesn't matter. That was the

2586
02:05:33,560 --> 02:05:35,240
Speaker 2: ultimate point, Luke, Right, that makes sense.

2587
02:05:35,360 --> 02:05:38,160
Speaker 1: I think it does in its own way. All Right.

2588
02:05:38,560 --> 02:05:40,800
Speaker 2: I forgot about that fourth ring with the Lakers recently,

2589
02:05:41,440 --> 02:05:43,840
Speaker 2: Luke will Yeah, because it was in the bubble and

2590
02:05:44,120 --> 02:05:46,120
Speaker 2: you know, well he ended up teaming up with his

2591
02:05:46,240 --> 02:05:48,800
Speaker 2: son in a griffy senior and junior type way. Or

2592
02:05:48,800 --> 02:05:50,280
Speaker 2: you couldn't care about that storyline.

2593
02:05:50,760 --> 02:05:52,480
Speaker 1: I've been hearing about his son. I'm like, I don't

2594
02:05:52,480 --> 02:05:53,880
Speaker 1: even know how old a fucking kid is at this point?

2595
02:05:53,920 --> 02:05:54,880
Speaker 1: Is he graduating this year?

2596
02:05:55,000 --> 02:05:55,040
Speaker 3: Like?

2597
02:05:55,240 --> 02:05:56,280
Speaker 1: What are they doing? Yeah?

2598
02:05:56,320 --> 02:05:58,320
Speaker 2: I don't know, I don't know. Do you see Kanye

2599
02:05:58,400 --> 02:06:00,360
Speaker 2: wearing that black mask? I mean, what's going on here?

2600
02:06:00,480 --> 02:06:04,560
Speaker 1: Luke, Boys, that's a dead He went from like anti

2601
02:06:04,600 --> 02:06:06,400
Speaker 1: Semitism to just straight up Nazism.

2602
02:06:06,760 --> 02:06:08,920
Speaker 2: I mean, that's just a dead wrong on all all

2603
02:06:09,040 --> 02:06:11,480
Speaker 2: things there, Let's go over to Zeus. He says, what's up, guys?

2604
02:06:11,520 --> 02:06:14,240
Speaker 2: At one twenty five of the Thanksgiving mail Bag, when

2605
02:06:14,320 --> 02:06:17,440
Speaker 2: Luke asked Brian if it was true that Van Morrison

2606
02:06:17,480 --> 02:06:19,800
Speaker 2: had gotten into trouble for once playing an entire show

2607
02:06:20,040 --> 02:06:23,400
Speaker 2: with his back to the audience, Brian responded that, yes,

2608
02:06:23,880 --> 02:06:29,240
Speaker 2: he was a longtime cantankerous dick. Totally untrue. Van came

2609
02:06:29,360 --> 02:06:33,240
Speaker 2: down with debilitating stage fright in the early seventies, and

2610
02:06:33,400 --> 02:06:36,000
Speaker 2: for his guest performance on the band's nineteen seventy six

2611
02:06:36,200 --> 02:06:39,360
Speaker 2: Last Waltz Concert, his first live appearance in several years,

2612
02:06:39,640 --> 02:06:42,240
Speaker 2: his reluctance to get on stage had his manager literally

2613
02:06:42,400 --> 02:06:45,080
Speaker 2: kick him out there. It was Miles Davis that Luke

2614
02:06:45,240 --> 02:06:48,920
Speaker 2: was thinking of. Miles was widely criticized for sometimes instructing

2615
02:06:49,240 --> 02:06:51,240
Speaker 2: his quartets or quintets to play with their backs to

2616
02:06:51,280 --> 02:06:53,160
Speaker 2: the audience so they could just dig the vibe. Man,

2617
02:06:53,680 --> 02:06:56,280
Speaker 2: love you guys, Zeus? All right, Luke, there's we're a

2618
02:06:56,320 --> 02:06:58,520
Speaker 2: little pedantic. I don't know if he's fully right on here.

2619
02:06:59,000 --> 02:07:01,720
Speaker 2: You made the Hey, wasn't that Van? I wasn't saying

2620
02:07:01,800 --> 02:07:04,760
Speaker 2: yes that he definitely did that. I was basically saying, yes,

2621
02:07:04,840 --> 02:07:08,760
Speaker 2: I could believe it because Van is known as a

2622
02:07:08,840 --> 02:07:13,040
Speaker 2: longtime cantankerist Dick. Even though this guy's trying to make

2623
02:07:13,080 --> 02:07:17,920
Speaker 2: the case that it's Van's stage fright. That ultimately might

2624
02:07:17,960 --> 02:07:21,560
Speaker 2: have led to Luke saying that he's also a notorious

2625
02:07:21,680 --> 02:07:23,960
Speaker 2: kntankeris Deck Van Morrison, so let's not act like he

2626
02:07:24,120 --> 02:07:25,160
Speaker 2: isn't a lot of the guys.

2627
02:07:25,680 --> 02:07:27,760
Speaker 1: I'm pretty sure I've read that in multiple places.

2628
02:07:28,240 --> 02:07:31,400
Speaker 2: Yeah, and also, you know it wasn't just Miles Davis

2629
02:07:31,400 --> 02:07:33,080
Speaker 2: who have played with the back to the audience before.

2630
02:07:33,120 --> 02:07:35,480
Speaker 2: There were times that Eddie van Halen got criticized for

2631
02:07:35,560 --> 02:07:37,200
Speaker 2: doing that during key parts of the solo because he

2632
02:07:37,200 --> 02:07:39,080
Speaker 2: didn't want people to see what he's doing. We've seen

2633
02:07:39,120 --> 02:07:41,160
Speaker 2: that before. But I'll take it Zeus, thank you for

2634
02:07:41,280 --> 02:07:43,720
Speaker 2: your interest in the show. Yeah, I was wrong. I

2635
02:07:43,760 --> 02:07:47,000
Speaker 2: guess I'll take the Luke too. This is from Jared,

2636
02:07:47,520 --> 02:07:50,160
Speaker 2: he says, not the Sandwich guy, though hey Dong said

2637
02:07:50,160 --> 02:07:54,040
Speaker 2: fifty three minutes on November twenty third, Luke claimed Oam's

2638
02:07:54,160 --> 02:07:58,080
Speaker 2: last loss was to Sarukian in the UFC all the

2639
02:07:58,120 --> 02:08:00,600
Speaker 2: way back in twenty ten. I felt that that was

2640
02:08:00,640 --> 02:08:04,800
Speaker 2: wonky when you said that too much, too much watermelon vape,

2641
02:08:04,840 --> 02:08:07,640
Speaker 2: because you're dead wrong the old bitch. That loss was

2642
02:08:07,680 --> 02:08:10,440
Speaker 2: twenty nineteen. Oh I made his debut in twenty eleven.

2643
02:08:10,640 --> 02:08:13,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, I just misspoke. I didn't think he hadn't lost

2644
02:08:13,120 --> 02:08:14,640
Speaker 1: in twelve years. Let's be clear.

2645
02:08:14,800 --> 02:08:17,560
Speaker 2: Maybe Luke was high on pepto bismal, or perhaps the

2646
02:08:17,680 --> 02:08:21,120
Speaker 2: multiple visits to the New Jersey Public Transport Network have

2647
02:08:21,280 --> 02:08:24,000
Speaker 2: left him with some lingering variation of long COVID or

2648
02:08:24,080 --> 02:08:28,120
Speaker 2: the plague love you, It's Jared, Okay, Jared thanks. Final

2649
02:08:28,200 --> 02:08:33,000
Speaker 2: one comes from j Piquette. Luke, you remember that guy, right, JPM.

2650
02:08:33,040 --> 02:08:35,160
Speaker 1: I'm man right now? He went for Donk of the Year.

2651
02:08:35,320 --> 02:08:37,120
Speaker 1: Is he trying to undercut that? I guess we're about

2652
02:08:37,120 --> 02:08:37,680
Speaker 1: to find out out.

2653
02:08:37,720 --> 02:08:40,560
Speaker 2: See it's a mount you Nike super fan for life,

2654
02:08:40,600 --> 02:08:43,760
Speaker 2: he says. During the RSD with Anthony Smith at one

2655
02:08:43,840 --> 02:08:48,600
Speaker 2: eleven and fourteen seconds, BC asked what province is mocktin

2656
02:08:48,880 --> 02:08:52,520
Speaker 2: in Luke with his rock hard on for brock lesnar

2657
02:08:52,800 --> 02:08:56,320
Speaker 2: in the Great White North, said Saskatchewan. I don't fucking know.

2658
02:08:57,040 --> 02:09:01,320
Speaker 2: BC's heads east and says Prince Edward Island since Luke

2659
02:09:01,480 --> 02:09:05,080
Speaker 2: is quote all about the numbers. Over twenty five hundred

2660
02:09:05,160 --> 02:09:09,720
Speaker 2: miles separates Saskatchewan from Moncton, BC was certainly closer at

2661
02:09:09,840 --> 02:09:13,720
Speaker 2: just over ninety miles. You two geographical, literate, washed up

2662
02:09:13,720 --> 02:09:17,560
Speaker 2: pieces of shit are dead wrong as fuck or maybe illiterate.

2663
02:09:18,120 --> 02:09:22,320
Speaker 2: Even my Canadian brother and Aaron Bronstettter is like, wtf

2664
02:09:22,520 --> 02:09:24,960
Speaker 2: love you guys, keep up the award winning show. So

2665
02:09:25,080 --> 02:09:27,560
Speaker 2: this is him using dead wrong as a fan submission.

2666
02:09:27,640 --> 02:09:27,760
Speaker 3: Luke.

2667
02:09:27,920 --> 02:09:30,680
Speaker 2: It's kind of creative, but is he also a pedantic

2668
02:09:30,760 --> 02:09:32,080
Speaker 2: pos What are your thoughts? No?

2669
02:09:32,680 --> 02:09:35,520
Speaker 1: I mean, I guess I wasn't really paying attention, but yeah,

2670
02:09:35,600 --> 02:09:36,760
Speaker 1: I think it's a fair point to make.

2671
02:09:37,040 --> 02:09:40,840
Speaker 2: Okay, the map really helps illustrate that, along with Aaron

2672
02:09:40,880 --> 02:09:43,760
Speaker 2: Bronstetter's angry face. Yeah, I agree with that. Okay, JP,

2673
02:09:43,920 --> 02:09:46,600
Speaker 2: You're back, You're here here, You're always here, all right, Luke,

2674
02:09:46,840 --> 02:09:49,240
Speaker 2: we had I had an angry David Appleton in my

2675
02:09:49,280 --> 02:09:53,760
Speaker 2: inbox who's claiming that Mikey's been mutumboing his better submissions

2676
02:09:53,840 --> 02:09:55,200
Speaker 2: lately that have been questionable.

2677
02:09:55,280 --> 02:09:56,680
Speaker 1: Luke, Okay, here's the thing. We get a lot of

2678
02:09:56,720 --> 02:09:58,680
Speaker 1: submissions from a lot of people that are how do

2679
02:09:58,760 --> 02:10:01,600
Speaker 1: we say this in appro here racist?

2680
02:10:02,000 --> 02:10:05,280
Speaker 2: They're all over the place. Yeah, yeah, yeah, thank you.

2681
02:10:05,400 --> 02:10:10,040
Speaker 2: That's awful. So thank you. Morningcombat at gmail dot com

2682
02:10:10,120 --> 02:10:13,040
Speaker 2: is remail addressed for all that bullshit. Appy, you're still

2683
02:10:13,080 --> 02:10:15,080
Speaker 2: in the race. We still love you. Do not send

2684
02:10:15,160 --> 02:10:17,320
Speaker 2: us a picture of your hog though, Please do not,

2685
02:10:17,640 --> 02:10:20,600
Speaker 2: please do not do that. Uh No, stick picks will

2686
02:10:20,800 --> 02:10:24,200
Speaker 2: lead to anyone winning Donk of the Year. Look, we're

2687
02:10:24,240 --> 02:10:27,320
Speaker 2: over our two hour suggested limit here, but it is Friday, right,

2688
02:10:27,360 --> 02:10:28,280
Speaker 2: we have fun, That's what we do.

2689
02:10:29,400 --> 02:10:30,360
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm happy to go though.

2690
02:10:30,720 --> 02:10:33,840
Speaker 2: Okay, sorry, Ran, we're out as welcome again. Thank you

2691
02:10:33,960 --> 02:10:38,080
Speaker 2: to our great team, thank you to our fine Uh whatever,

2692
02:10:38,240 --> 02:10:39,960
Speaker 2: I don't care, Louke, just end the show. I mean you,

2693
02:10:40,000 --> 02:10:41,280
Speaker 2: we got anything else to say?

2694
02:10:41,320 --> 02:10:43,240
Speaker 1: What to? You? Mentioned that you can follow us on

2695
02:10:43,360 --> 02:10:46,000
Speaker 1: social There are good fights tonight, good fights tomorrow. We're

2696
02:10:46,040 --> 02:10:50,520
Speaker 1: back on Monday, I think yes. By the way, Oh,

2697
02:10:50,760 --> 02:10:53,160
Speaker 1: I just got announced. It's in my inbox. Let me

2698
02:10:53,280 --> 02:10:55,360
Speaker 1: to double check this. I believe this is right. Yep,

2699
02:10:55,720 --> 02:10:59,880
Speaker 1: there's gonna be in DC on Monday Adravante Davis and

2700
02:11:00,040 --> 02:11:02,680
Speaker 1: Hector Luis Garcia press conference. It's going to be at

2701
02:11:03,520 --> 02:11:08,120
Speaker 1: the Hotel Washington. Let's see and uh I'll look forward

2702
02:11:08,120 --> 02:11:09,360
Speaker 1: to that. It's gonna be a lot of fun.

2703
02:11:09,760 --> 02:11:10,960
Speaker 2: You love DC Luke.

2704
02:11:12,480 --> 02:11:15,280
Speaker 1: Well, I just you know, if dude, if if Jervonte

2705
02:11:15,400 --> 02:11:19,800
Speaker 1: Davis was coming to Naugatuck to do a presser, you'd

2706
02:11:19,840 --> 02:11:23,000
Speaker 1: be like, Ah, that's that's fun and convenient. That's changes

2707
02:11:23,080 --> 02:11:24,840
Speaker 1: the pace a little bit. You'd you'd be pretty happy

2708
02:11:24,840 --> 02:11:25,480
Speaker 1: about it, would you know?

2709
02:11:25,600 --> 02:11:28,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's interesting. I don't think he'd like it though, book,

2710
02:11:28,320 --> 02:11:31,360
Speaker 2: but you know it's it's pretty good. Well, he's from

2711
02:11:31,400 --> 02:11:33,640
Speaker 2: West Baltimore, so maybe maybe with Luke, you know, I

2712
02:11:33,680 --> 02:11:36,240
Speaker 2: don't know. I don't know, but yeah, that's what's going on.

2713
02:11:36,720 --> 02:11:39,640
Speaker 2: I don't care. I got buy our merch Morningcombat Dot store.

2714
02:11:39,720 --> 02:11:43,280
Speaker 2: Thank you for supporting us as always fans. You know,

2715
02:11:44,240 --> 02:11:46,240
Speaker 2: I don't know what else you got anything. I don't

2716
02:11:46,240 --> 02:11:47,480
Speaker 2: know what are we doing here?

2717
02:11:49,120 --> 02:11:49,240
Speaker 1: Oh?

2718
02:11:50,280 --> 02:11:53,680
Speaker 2: Do you think Alex Pareda will take shop up on

2719
02:11:53,760 --> 02:11:56,120
Speaker 2: the one hundred thousand dollars bet? Is this a trap

2720
02:11:56,240 --> 02:11:58,920
Speaker 2: by uh By job to get him to violate the

2721
02:11:59,520 --> 02:12:01,400
Speaker 2: no bet policy? I mean, what are we doing here?

2722
02:12:02,720 --> 02:12:05,880
Speaker 1: How would shab be prevented from betting?

2723
02:12:06,880 --> 02:12:09,200
Speaker 2: He bet Alex perree at one hundred thousand dollars? Right,

2724
02:12:09,280 --> 02:12:11,760
Speaker 2: that uh that Hamsat won't take him down.

2725
02:12:12,280 --> 02:12:14,600
Speaker 1: Oh another Oh okay, okay, okay, so well yeah, well

2726
02:12:14,680 --> 02:12:16,640
Speaker 1: he would still bet, but uh it would be but

2727
02:12:16,680 --> 02:12:18,000
Speaker 1: they're not. But they're not doing a bet. I think

2728
02:12:18,000 --> 02:12:21,640
Speaker 1: that's a gentleman's agreement, right, Like, it's not it's not

2729
02:12:22,000 --> 02:12:24,480
Speaker 1: uh you know, they're not putting a wager onto like

2730
02:12:24,560 --> 02:12:27,600
Speaker 1: a sports book or something like that. I don't think

2731
02:12:27,680 --> 02:12:29,720
Speaker 1: that he will. I know that they said it, but

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Speaker 1: I just don't think it'll actually come to fruition. Also,

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Speaker 1: not a bet. I would recommend per se.

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Speaker 2: But look, he could have been Happa if things went differently.

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Speaker 1: Really, I mean, like married Ronda Rousey.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean it was it was. It was in play, right,

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Speaker 2: I mean, you know that's you know, I don't know.

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Speaker 2: I mean a lot of escabos could ended up going

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Speaker 2: that way, Luke, but it was Hoppa who gets it.

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Speaker 1: In the end.

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Speaker 2: So well done there, Travis Brown. All right, Luke, that's it.

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Speaker 2: That's all I got. Thanks to Gaff Long Island, Luke,

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Speaker 2: Mikey Morms, all the great people that love us. That's

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Speaker 2: my co host, Luke Thomas. My name is Brian Campbell.

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Speaker 2: We'll be back next week. We're gonna be on location

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Speaker 2: next week too, so you're gonna have some fun with

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Speaker 2: that for our great staff and team. Take care of yourselves, folks.

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Speaker 2: Make sure those loyals actually are gains at the end,

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Speaker 2: or maybe they're just hose we out, all right,