Speaker 1: Hello, Hello, Hello, and welcome to another edition of Nerdificent.
Speaker 1: I am one half of your host, Danny Fernandez, and
Speaker 1: sitting across from me, it's your boy if you anyway,
Speaker 1: as always looking fresh, and today we are joined up
Speaker 1: top by some of y'all's favorite guests. I would say
Speaker 1: he was on our most listened to episode of Nerdificent
Speaker 1: so far m CU episode if you haven't checked that out.
Speaker 1: As a history of the m c U, we have
Speaker 1: the host of the Nickelodeon Animation podcast as well as
Speaker 1: animation investigation on Nerdiced, Mr Hector Navarro. Thank you guys
Speaker 1: so much for having any to be back. And I
Speaker 1: feel like there should be a round of applause, but
Speaker 1: there can we like, we can we can add that in.
Speaker 1: That's okay. That em CU chat was fun. Yeah, it
Speaker 1: was two hours. It was I got messages. People were like, man,
Speaker 1: when you were talking about Captain America, Man, I was crying. Awesome,
Speaker 1: great and we did our job. Yeah, I mean it
Speaker 1: was so I think I tweeted this. But you're someone
Speaker 1: that has this encyclopedic knowledge of comic books and yet
Speaker 1: you don't gate keep at all. You just want everyone
Speaker 1: to enjoy the fandom, whereas like other people, especially men
Speaker 1: that have the level of history and knowledge of comic
Speaker 1: books and and nerd lore, I guess that you do,
Speaker 1: they often try to gate keep it from people and like, oh,
Speaker 1: you didn't know this, and you don't do that at all.
Speaker 1: You just want everyone to enjoy it and whatever you know,
Speaker 1: capacity that they do, whether they enjoyed as much as
Speaker 1: you do or they're just casual fans, that doesn't bother
Speaker 1: you at all. Have you guys seen Ready Player one? No? Not?
Speaker 1: Did you guys? Do you guys read the book now Future?
Speaker 1: You're not missing a whole heck of a lot. I
Speaker 1: love me some Stevie Spielberg, But like that movie deals
Speaker 1: with how in the future, and it's probably true today
Speaker 1: that like geeky knowledge is power, geeky knowledge is like currency,
Speaker 1: and sort of the more you have, the higher your
Speaker 1: status is. And I feel like it's fun to do
Speaker 1: that stuff in certain regard, in certain circles. If you're
Speaker 1: with your buddies, if you know that your friend knows
Speaker 1: the thing, and then here she messes up and you
Speaker 1: call them on a you know what I mean, in
Speaker 1: a fun way to just like rag on them or whatever,
Speaker 1: like that's fine. I get the appeal of of feeling
Speaker 1: like you are um deserved of a fandom or deserved
Speaker 1: to like have a place at the table because you've
Speaker 1: invested time and you love a thing. That's how I
Speaker 1: feel about cartoons and comic books. And for me, I
Speaker 1: channel that by doing research. I channel that as somebody
Speaker 1: who when I get into a thing, like I brought
Speaker 1: my Nicktoons book because of what we're talking about today,
Speaker 1: and you and I got it when it came out.
Speaker 1: I got it before I started doing the Nickelodeon Animation
Speaker 1: podcast a couple of years ago, and and hosting this
Speaker 1: new show for notice, and I went to school for animation.
Speaker 1: But if I get into a thing, if I like
Speaker 1: a thing, I will do the research and and get
Speaker 1: into it on my own. I just watched a new
Speaker 1: mission of Possible movie. I started watching the original nineteen
Speaker 1: six mission Impossible TV show on my own. It does
Speaker 1: not hold up, but I'm having a good time, and
Speaker 1: it's like and I take that challenge, and I love
Speaker 1: that feeling of like, Okay, if I love a thing,
Speaker 1: I want to learn as much as possible about the
Speaker 1: thing so that I can, you know, know every know
Speaker 1: it from every sort of angle and understand it. And
Speaker 1: if it's something that is easily critiqued, if something that
Speaker 1: needs improvement, and most fandoms do. Most things that people
Speaker 1: love are problematic in some way, some more than others.
Speaker 1: That's okay because if you know what's wrong with them,
Speaker 1: even from those other angles, and you can still sort
Speaker 1: of talk about them and talk about what you love
Speaker 1: about them, it makes them stronger, do you know what
Speaker 1: I mean? Like, if people are like, like, let's talk
Speaker 1: about superheroes. I think Batman is better than Superman, I'm like,
Speaker 1: let's have this conversation, like I want to. I want
Speaker 1: to talk about Superman. I want to talk about Spiderman.
Speaker 1: I want to talk about what is good and bad
Speaker 1: about these things. So I would say to people listening
Speaker 1: that it is absolutely bad to gate keep, but it
Speaker 1: is not bad to just research and love a thing
Speaker 1: and learn all about the thing and become an expert
Speaker 1: in that thing if you want, and then if you
Speaker 1: have that, share that expertise and then curate things for people.
Speaker 1: Like I just said the Mission Impossible TV show, you
Speaker 1: guys aren't missing much if you don't watch that, you guys,
Speaker 1: aren't missing much if you don't watch Ready Player one,
Speaker 1: but I will tell you to watch you know, this movie,
Speaker 1: this movie, this movie, or this cartoon show. As we're
Speaker 1: talking about the history of Nickelodeon, I'll be sure to
Speaker 1: be like this cartoon show in particular, Special Cat Cat Dog.
Speaker 1: You can probably skip it. It's okay, it's how dare you?
Speaker 1: But you know, if you're not, if you haven't seen
Speaker 1: Avatar the Last Airbender, if you haven't seen Hey Arnold,
Speaker 1: like you're you're missing out on some real special stuff.
Speaker 1: So yeah, I mean, and it's it is funny because
Speaker 1: I feel like Nickelodeon is one of those brands, one
Speaker 1: of those companies that really not only screams nineties, but
Speaker 1: also it's kind of lived on beyond it. Like it's funny.
Speaker 1: I think about this a lot. I feel like online
Speaker 1: you're seeing a lot of SpongeBob memes as of late,
Speaker 1: and a lot of these new SoundCloud rappers they're they're
Speaker 1: referencing SpongeBob, Like one song I was listening to referenced
Speaker 1: doodle Bob. And it's funny because to think at their age,
Speaker 1: because a lot of these guys are, you know, twenty
Speaker 1: one and younger, and that was the cartoon when they
Speaker 1: were growing up, Like that was the one I remember
Speaker 1: when they premiered the pilot of SpongeBob after the Kid's
Speaker 1: Choice Awards. I remember seeing the first episode. So to
Speaker 1: know the longevity of shows like SpongeBob and to see
Speaker 1: how it has such an effect that it is like
Speaker 1: the cartoon of the younger generation that they can make
Speaker 1: so many references to. That's what I love about a
Speaker 1: lot of this stuff, tun especially SpongeBob. SpongeBob is really
Speaker 1: unique in that, Like I'll give you an example. There's
Speaker 1: a show that's on uh that's a fairly recent show
Speaker 1: called The Loudhouse where originally the creator's idea was to
Speaker 1: make a show about a boy bunny and his like
Speaker 1: ten sister bunnies that were all family of bunnies. And
Speaker 1: when he was developing the show, one of the executives
Speaker 1: at Nickelodeon was like, consider making them human. And that
Speaker 1: was the best advice that this person got, because as
Speaker 1: soon as they turned it into a show about an
Speaker 1: actual human family, they were able to connect to it more.
Speaker 1: They're able to do this and this and this, and
Speaker 1: that's great, but there's also something to a character like
Speaker 1: SpongeBob SquarePants who harkens back to a character like Bugs
Speaker 1: Bunny or Donald Duck or Mickey Mouse or all these
Speaker 1: classic characters that technically don't have any ethnicity. Technically, kids
Speaker 1: of many, many, many different backgrounds can like attach themselves too.
Speaker 1: And I've seen this and we talked about this with
Speaker 1: Goofy and a Goofy movie. How a Goofy movie from
Speaker 1: is like the blackest Disney movie that Disney ever made
Speaker 1: and there's no humans in it it, yet it still
Speaker 1: has these things that are like that speak to what
Speaker 1: it is like to be a young Black American probably
Speaker 1: And I'm a I'm a young Mexican American, so I'm
Speaker 1: I'm kind of you know, I'm I'm talking about this
Speaker 1: from the outside perspective, but I know that like SpongeBob up,
Speaker 1: especially in SpongeBob memes, and people have talked about this, like,
Speaker 1: how is it that that, uh, like black youth has
Speaker 1: latched onto what SpongeBob is. And there's been articles where
Speaker 1: people have talked about this and they've asked young people
Speaker 1: and they're like, well, that's because SpongeBob is black and
Speaker 1: you know, they'll see like their background or their ethnicity
Speaker 1: on these characters that again don't have when and other
Speaker 1: people will be like, like when I was a kid,
Speaker 1: I was like, no, Goku's Mexican because I'm watching you
Speaker 1: watch watched it though I watched it. I watched it
Speaker 1: and it was Dragon Ball set that and here was
Speaker 1: this character that had brown eyes and black hair and
Speaker 1: messy hair, and I'm like, this is a Mexican. Like, yeah,
Speaker 1: his wife's name was Cheech. Yeah, it all makes makes sense,
Speaker 1: you know, and people make that joke. But today, but
Speaker 1: like there's something to that that. Like, for years, Star
Speaker 1: Wars did not have a Mexican character unless you counted
Speaker 1: Chewy Chewbacca, who was this silent, hairy guy that was
Speaker 1: good with fixing up a car. Like that's Chewy. Everybody
Speaker 1: had a cousin Chewy. So so go back to SpongeBob SquarePants,
Speaker 1: you go back to um, you know, uh, like Ren
Speaker 1: and Stimpy and and other characters from like other cartoons
Speaker 1: that we grew up with, especially the Looney Tunes, especially
Speaker 1: those classic ones like Tom and Jerry. Like a lot
Speaker 1: if you go back and watch a lot of those
Speaker 1: actual shorts and stuff, too, Like they'll be moments where
Speaker 1: they'll have Tom from Tom and Jerry like play like
Speaker 1: a bass like a cello, and you're like they're doing
Speaker 1: jazz music and you're like, whoa is Tom Black. It's like,
Speaker 1: you know, like as Daffy Duck Black, like this really
Speaker 1: interesting things that are happening. And all we had was
Speaker 1: speedy Gonzalez. That's all we had and horrible stereotype, but
Speaker 1: not really because he was fast. The stereotype was his cousin,
Speaker 1: Slowpoke Rodriguez. That was the speedy All Mexicans love speedy.
Speaker 1: Speedy is great. Bad, but I've diverted the conversation. No, no,
Speaker 1: it's fine because he said let's go back, and you're right,
Speaker 1: we should go back. I think we should go back
Speaker 1: all the way to December one, nine seven, when Nickelodeon
Speaker 1: launched as pin Wheel, a channel developed by Vivian Corner.
Speaker 1: Prior to Nickelodeon's creation, most preschooler programs were very limited
Speaker 1: because they could only tune into their favorite shows on
Speaker 1: Saturday mornings. On the other hand, that only had Saturday
Speaker 1: morning to watch their favorite shows, but weekdays too because
Speaker 1: they can watch sesame streets for preschoolers and grown ups
Speaker 1: in Columbus, Ohio, they had a new television system called
Speaker 1: cube qu b E. Yeah. Did you actually know actor
Speaker 1: that Nickelodeon started back in I didn't. I knew. I
Speaker 1: thought it started in the nineties. Yea, yeah, because because
Speaker 1: Nickelodeon as we know it today started with Nicktoons, started
Speaker 1: with you know, the cable channel that aired three cartoons ships.
Speaker 1: It was the big three, the Big three which were
Speaker 1: Rent and Stimpy Doug and Rugrass. And in doing my
Speaker 1: research as a young person in two now, like I
Speaker 1: did learn like, oh yeah, Nickelodeon was a thing, and
Speaker 1: a lot of people remember, but I don't remember. Nickelodeon
Speaker 1: was a channel called pin Wheel before was Nickelodeon, and
Speaker 1: Nickelodeon was around since the eighties, and it was kind
Speaker 1: of like a preschool sort of a kids programming channel
Speaker 1: and uh but it's nuts. But again, to me, Nickelodeon
Speaker 1: was always the cartoons, and then they sort of branched
Speaker 1: off and did other stuff, which we'll talk about later,
Speaker 1: things like Nick at Night and I'll you know, live
Speaker 1: action programming and all that stuff. But for me, it
Speaker 1: did it did begin with the three original Nicktoons. Well,
Speaker 1: actually Nick at Night came before those three, so so
Speaker 1: like if he was saying, they launched pin Wheel and
Speaker 1: then pin Wheel on April first, nineteen seventy nine, Pinwell
Speaker 1: relaunched as Nickelodeon. So then in Nickelodeon started showing advertisements.
Speaker 1: On October eighth, they introduced their famous splat logo, and
Speaker 1: then on July one, Nick at Night was launched and
Speaker 1: Nick became a twenty four hour service, which is true. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's actually I remember now, Um, you know, even in
Speaker 1: the nineties watching the cartoons and then I could stay
Speaker 1: up and watch Nick at Night, like maybe an episode
Speaker 1: or something. Do you remember some of the lineup for
Speaker 1: Nick at Night? I mean by the time I had
Speaker 1: because here's the thing, I did not have cable when
Speaker 1: Nickelodeon first premiered. I was a poor little boy. I
Speaker 1: was one of these things where I didn't get cable
Speaker 1: until later, until like the mid to late ninety nineties.
Speaker 1: So by the time I got Nickelodeon and Nick at Knight,
Speaker 1: they were already doing stuff. Like maybe maybe I'm thinking
Speaker 1: it was too early, but I feel like even like
Speaker 1: Fresh Prince of bel Air was on there at Nick
Speaker 1: at Knight at one point. But I remember stuff like
Speaker 1: I Love Lucy was on there. Yes, that was the first.
Speaker 1: That's what I remember. I got lucky because my dad
Speaker 1: was the manager of our apartment complex and for some
Speaker 1: reason that meant that he got free cable from the company,
Speaker 1: and so I remember what in and the first thing
Speaker 1: that will pop on was I Dream of Genie and
Speaker 1: then I and so sometimes I would like actually watching.
Speaker 1: That's kind of how I got introduced to those older
Speaker 1: shows was because I usually checked out as soon as
Speaker 1: as soon as Nick and Night came on the sort
Speaker 1: of reruns of live action stuff because I was I
Speaker 1: was obsessed with cartoons. That was usually my indicae. It's like, okay,
Speaker 1: it's time to go to bed. But I do remember
Speaker 1: later when they would get sitcoms like like Fresh, Prince
Speaker 1: of bel Air and other like really good sitcoms from House.
Speaker 1: I believe all that stuff was on Nick and I
Speaker 1: was like, oh, this is cool. Yeah, yeah, no it was,
Speaker 1: but it was great because yeah, those are the huge staples.
Speaker 1: And I think what's great is out of the three
Speaker 1: shows that launch, you know, rug Rats, Doug and The
Speaker 1: Ren and Stempy Show, I feel like the Ren and
Speaker 1: Stimpy show, well there's nothing like the other two, but
Speaker 1: also like Doug. I mean, there are some similarities between
Speaker 1: Doug and Rugrats, but even Doug versus rug Rats, those
Speaker 1: were super different shows. Also, I feel like those were
Speaker 1: based off of kind of like their viewership. You have
Speaker 1: your very young viewers. So August eleven is when Rugrats,
Speaker 1: Doug and Ren and Stempy first premiered, so you have
Speaker 1: by then I was three, I think, so, so you
Speaker 1: have your three to five year olds, you know, or
Speaker 1: your elementary school kids. They're going to watch or resonate
Speaker 1: the most with Rugrats. You have your middle schoolers who
Speaker 1: even though I watched Doug, but probably middle schoolers, high
Speaker 1: schoolers you know, are going to resonate with Doug. And
Speaker 1: then you have the Rent and Stempy show, which is
Speaker 1: like your high schoolers you know, and and older are
Speaker 1: going to resonate with that. So I think they kind
Speaker 1: of did it smart, very smart. I mean, go I'm
Speaker 1: going back to the beginning of Nickelodeon, even before the
Speaker 1: Three Nicktoons premiered, I know that there was a story
Speaker 1: about how like in the mid to late eighties when
Speaker 1: they were trying to figure out the branding of the network.
Speaker 1: They brought in people from MTV that had recently sort
Speaker 1: of like solidified, like like I want my MTV like,
Speaker 1: they designed the logo, like they turned MTV into what
Speaker 1: it was, and they brought Nickelodeon from the lowest in
Speaker 1: the ratings to the top. And one of the things
Speaker 1: they apparently did is they held focus groups with kids,
Speaker 1: and a thing that they learned was like, you cannot
Speaker 1: put on a show the kids think is for babies,
Speaker 1: and anything that a kid, no matter what age they are,
Speaker 1: if anything is like if if a if a child
Speaker 1: one year younger than them watches a thing, that the
Speaker 1: show is for babies. Do you see what I'm saying?
Speaker 1: So like a six year old will be next to
Speaker 1: a five year old, and if the five year old
Speaker 1: likes the thing, the six year olds like this shows
Speaker 1: for babies, I don't want to watch this anymore. So
Speaker 1: those kinds of thinking, we're going into the choosing and
Speaker 1: the picking and choosing of like what shows they were
Speaker 1: going to make it as cartoon shows, And that kind
Speaker 1: of explains how Rugrats came to be. Because Rugrats I
Speaker 1: love because it was a show that I would get
Speaker 1: sucked into even though it was literally about babies. And
Speaker 1: as a child, I do remember that there were times
Speaker 1: where I was like, wait is this for like Todd,
Speaker 1: like should not be watching this? But it sucked me
Speaker 1: and because it was like ugly, beautiful and crude. And
Speaker 1: the humor was the humor doctor doctor lipshits was the
Speaker 1: was the child psychiatrist that they were always listening to,
Speaker 1: had all this innuendo and all these jokes. And Angelica's mom,
Speaker 1: Angelica's was an alcoholic right then her and then her
Speaker 1: always yelling at Jonathan, her assistant, and then Angelica herself
Speaker 1: just being a diva brat, and then um Stu and Lou.
Speaker 1: They had a lot of like adult humor between them. Um. Yeah.
Speaker 1: But it's like it's like when you think, why would
Speaker 1: Because here's the thing I was thinking about this on
Speaker 1: the drive over. When you say names of brands, when
Speaker 1: you say names of like studios or TV channels that
Speaker 1: you recognize as a kid, When I say things like Disney,
Speaker 1: Warner Brothers, Looney Tunes, Hannah Barbera, Nintendo, you can kind
Speaker 1: of visualize what all these things sort of are, you know, Muppets,
Speaker 1: Jim Henson, Sesame Street, uh, and if I say Nickelodeon,
Speaker 1: you kind of know what that is too. Even though
Speaker 1: from the very beginning to people at Nickelodeon sing we're saying,
Speaker 1: we have no specific house style, you know, they they
Speaker 1: sort of approach each one of their shows that they
Speaker 1: green light is like, we don't know where we're looking
Speaker 1: for until we see it, kind of They're usually You're
Speaker 1: usually isn't mandates of like, well, you know, we're looking
Speaker 1: for an action show, we're looking for a comedy show.
Speaker 1: Usually there isn't the very creator driven and eventually the
Speaker 1: process at Nickelodeon, as far as I know kind of
Speaker 1: from an outsider looking in, I mean I interned there
Speaker 1: for a summer and I and I sort of worked
Speaker 1: there when I was doing the Nickelodeon Animation podcast, is
Speaker 1: that they would have certain artists and creators working on
Speaker 1: one show and then they have an opportunity to pitch
Speaker 1: stuff later. The creator of SpongeBob SquarePants, Steve Hillenberg, he
Speaker 1: worked on Rocco's Modern Life, The creator of Avatar, The
Speaker 1: Last Airbender and then the Legend of Cora. One of
Speaker 1: the creators Brian Kanitzko, he worked on Invader zim So
Speaker 1: it's this thing where like these artists are encouraged to
Speaker 1: like go home and work on stuff, and if they
Speaker 1: have stuff, to go and pitch it and so so
Speaker 1: it's like there's no Nickelodeon style, and yet there is.
Speaker 1: And those first three cartoons you can look at I
Speaker 1: think basically every Nicktoon except for a couple here and there,
Speaker 1: one of them kind of being avatar, and you can
Speaker 1: point to seeds being planted in either Ren and Stimpy,
Speaker 1: Doug or rug Rats, you know what I mean. And
Speaker 1: Rugrats especially is like I mean, Ren, Stimpy is but
Speaker 1: all of them, especially Doug later influenced Hey Arnold and
Speaker 1: things like as told by Ginger and all, you know,
Speaker 1: all those kinds of things. But Rugrats was like that
Speaker 1: classkey chupo style. That ugliness, that crudeness like that was
Speaker 1: so appealing to us as kids, and it was out
Speaker 1: of Disney beautiful stuff. It goes against with this type
Speaker 1: of stuff you learned in art school. If you're trying
Speaker 1: to design appealing characters, they're not appealing yet they are. Well.
Speaker 1: What's also so interesting is everything about that show was
Speaker 1: pretty disruptive. If you think of the theme song, where
Speaker 1: it was like done done, Done done. Doo doom doom
Speaker 1: doom doom, Like it's not an actual melody. It's almost
Speaker 1: if you it's like uncomfortable, but as kids we've grown
Speaker 1: to love it. And you bring up the music to
Speaker 1: like Doug kind of similar. It had a very like
Speaker 1: doe do Do Do Do Do Do Do do dode.
Speaker 1: It was nice, but it was all mouth sounds, which
Speaker 1: was weird and cool than you. And then Brent and
Speaker 1: Stimpy was like like very disruptive and very loud, loud,
Speaker 1: and it just set the stage for like these shows
Speaker 1: had way different styles than the things that you're so
Speaker 1: funny that you bring up that Doug kind of laid
Speaker 1: the groundwork for Hey Arnold because Doug, I felt like
Speaker 1: Doug that whole series is kind of like really smooth,
Speaker 1: and that's how Hey Arnold is as well, and kind
Speaker 1: of this like non confrontational character that's really intelligent and shy.
Speaker 1: I was always mad at Doug when I was a
Speaker 1: kid because I was like he never does homework. I
Speaker 1: was like, I'm in middle school and I get homework.
Speaker 1: I have to go home and work on this crap
Speaker 1: and I can't go and just like hang out and
Speaker 1: go to concerts, and Doug like, this show is unrealistic
Speaker 1: because he never had home. Yeah, the what was the
Speaker 1: name of his band, the beat Beat beat Sets was
Speaker 1: the name of like the famous band. Yeah, and I forget,
Speaker 1: what does more allowance you? Like, I can do this.
Speaker 1: I was mad at Dug for a completely different reason
Speaker 1: because I was like, why hasn't he just like clocked
Speaker 1: Roger clocks? Like, I was like, I was team body
Speaker 1: that dude very early on, Like Skeeter was never any backup,
Speaker 1: you know, he was just there. Um. And that was
Speaker 1: like the first kind of rendition of like race without race,
Speaker 1: because yeah, the characters on Doug didn't really they were
Speaker 1: just different colors. But everyone's like Skeeter's black, and Skeeter's
Speaker 1: dad was so like just the coding in the design
Speaker 1: of Skeeter's dad, I was like, oh no, this is
Speaker 1: straight up a black dad. I'm looking at a bunch
Speaker 1: of different characters right now from the from the show
Speaker 1: and like Patty Mane like, yeah, they weren't supposed to
Speaker 1: have skin tones, but Doug Funny just happens to be
Speaker 1: light Peach and his parents how to be sort of tanned.
Speaker 1: And then you have characters like Skeeter who were like
Speaker 1: blue but everybody, like you said, if he like every
Speaker 1: everyone was like like Skeeter's black. Roger was like a
Speaker 1: rich white kid. Eventually he became rich. It was like
Speaker 1: a poor like bully kid. He was like a white kid.
Speaker 1: He reminds me of Sid from Toy Story. Patty Maynaise
Speaker 1: was like like a tanned skin, you know, maybe like
Speaker 1: probably she was probably white because you had a very
Speaker 1: like kind of a Southern accent. I don't know if
Speaker 1: I don't remember if she was a new kid or whatever.
Speaker 1: But but this show was the sweetest show and as
Speaker 1: a kids, it was sometimes difficult for me to connect
Speaker 1: to it. But I did love the show because it
Speaker 1: did actually teach me lessons and years later when I
Speaker 1: actually got to meet the creator, Jim Jenkins, he's one
Speaker 1: of the nicest human beings I've ever met in my life.
Speaker 1: He has just like Mr Rogers quality to him. He's
Speaker 1: just like a nice guy that I'm like, oh, of course,
Speaker 1: Doug was the way that it was like, it's such
Speaker 1: a nice show because Jim is nice like, and that's
Speaker 1: what it was about. And it was great, and I
Speaker 1: think the beautiful thing about all this is like we
Speaker 1: just kind of like picked and choose what we thought
Speaker 1: everyone was. And there's probably someone listening who's losing their
Speaker 1: mind because it's like, no, I Doug was like, you know,
Speaker 1: Indian American, and Roger was Latino, and of course it
Speaker 1: was of course they were whatever you want, but like, yeah,
Speaker 1: you're right. I really related to Doug because I was
Speaker 1: a kid who doodled a lot and I wanted to
Speaker 1: make comics. So he had Quailman, and I was like
Speaker 1: that was always very cool to me. Uh, and I
Speaker 1: really resonate we've we've sat in this because we're in
Speaker 1: our nostalgia corner because this is like our show. But
Speaker 1: let's talk about Snick. So almost a year later, Nick
Speaker 1: went ahead and launched a prime time block called Snick,
Speaker 1: which was Saturday Night ni Alodi in, which would go
Speaker 1: on to be just housing so much it had eventually
Speaker 1: are You Afraid of the Dark? We had all that
Speaker 1: you had Nick News, which I thought, you know, that
Speaker 1: show was really ahead of its time when I think
Speaker 1: back on it, and it blows my mind that something
Speaker 1: like that isn't around now because it was a show
Speaker 1: that you know, it would talk about It wasn't like
Speaker 1: slanted anyway. It talked more about world issues, but like
Speaker 1: it kept kids grounded because you're talking about what's going
Speaker 1: on in the rest of the world, other problems, and
Speaker 1: like I remember, I forget her name, but there was Yes,
Speaker 1: she was such a neutral, calm voice that it just
Speaker 1: kind of pulled you in. And just remembering that and
Speaker 1: just seeing the impact of like just a Saturday wrap
Speaker 1: up of world news to go like, hey, you're watching
Speaker 1: all this stuff, you're probably having fun. Why don't you
Speaker 1: take a peek home what's going on all around the world.
Speaker 1: I would love it if they brought that back. Yeah,
Speaker 1: for sure. Also, I was going to say, because you
Speaker 1: brought up all that, and a lot of people talk
Speaker 1: about growing up with sketch comedy as far as SNL,
Speaker 1: but dude, the kids on all that killed when you
Speaker 1: think back to them being like thirteen years old and
Speaker 1: doing sketch comedy in front of a live audience. They
Speaker 1: were so talented, so talented, and Amanda Binds as much
Speaker 1: as people you know, give her crap now, she was
Speaker 1: amazed and then she went on to have her own show.
Speaker 1: But she was so young and so good and obviously
Speaker 1: that's spent off into Keenan and Kell, which gave us
Speaker 1: a good burger, And we are going to get into
Speaker 1: all of that right after the break and we are
Speaker 1: back joined here with Hector Navarro. Yeah, I was gonna say,
Speaker 1: if you had some things that you wanted to say
Speaker 1: about all that, Well, it's so funny because you know,
Speaker 1: you do go back and you're kind of like, this
Speaker 1: is a very kid centric sketch show. But some of
Speaker 1: the writers on the show turned out to be some
Speaker 1: big names in the past. So you had Amy Berg,
Speaker 1: who I think is one of the most outspoken, outspoken
Speaker 1: television writers on Twitter right now. She did a dope
Speaker 1: guide for People's First Writing And Neil Brennan, who went
Speaker 1: on to create The Chapel Show, wrote for All That
Speaker 1: he went from all that to creating The Chappelle Show.
Speaker 1: It's and it's so wild to see just the jump
Speaker 1: from these writers and and how like, when you think
Speaker 1: about it, can you if you were watch both all
Speaker 1: that in Chappelle Show and be like the same dude,
Speaker 1: you would probably lose your mind. And then I feel
Speaker 1: like the breakout star or ended up being the sort
Speaker 1: of breakout success in the long run, not in the
Speaker 1: short run and the long run was Keenan Thompson. Keenan
Speaker 1: who in a lot of ways graduated to Saturday Night Live.
Speaker 1: And I remember when he got on SNL, I was like,
Speaker 1: holy crap, that's keen In from all That, from Good Burger,
Speaker 1: from Nickelodeon, like, and he maybe made it like he's
Speaker 1: gonna do comedy for the rest of his life because
Speaker 1: a lot of the actors on that show, a lot
Speaker 1: of the kid actors, like, they either didn't pursue it
Speaker 1: for the rest of their career, or they did and
Speaker 1: didn't find as much success or retired or for various reasons,
Speaker 1: like you know when you're a kid actor, like are
Speaker 1: you going to go to college and do something else?
Speaker 1: Or do you want to keep acting or whatever. And
Speaker 1: it was awesome to see Keenan actually make it. I
Speaker 1: remember there was an episode of SNL where Shila Buff
Speaker 1: hosted Yeah, and he stood up next to Keenan and
Speaker 1: during the monologue and he was like, made it, man,
Speaker 1: we made it Disney, Nickelodeon, Disney, and Keenan was like
Speaker 1: not having it as part of the bed He's like yeah, man, okay, yeah, great,
Speaker 1: but um, like Keenan, Like, I love Keenan. He's real
Speaker 1: hit and miss with me. Sometimes sometimes his skits are
Speaker 1: hysterical and I love them, and other times I'm like,
Speaker 1: this isn't working for me. It's like a little too silly.
Speaker 1: And sometimes still watching Kenan to this day, I can
Speaker 1: still see a little bit of Keenan and kel all
Speaker 1: that of his sort of like delivery and his like
Speaker 1: especially when he has that like smile on his face
Speaker 1: where he knows he's he's being funny and he's like,
Speaker 1: you know, trying to be funny. Like when I was
Speaker 1: a kid, I was real there's real snobby about all that.
Speaker 1: I didn't like the show, and I didn't understand why.
Speaker 1: And I never rooted against anybody in the show. I
Speaker 1: know that, you know. When I was a kid, I
Speaker 1: was absolutely jealous of those like other thirteen year olds
Speaker 1: that got can you imagine, like, you know, where do
Speaker 1: they shoot it with it? Was it in Hollywood or
Speaker 1: was it in Florida? In Florida in front of a
Speaker 1: studio audience used to say it after all of their
Speaker 1: shows Universal Studios or Nickelodeon Studios, whatever it was called.
Speaker 1: And I was super jealous, and I would love that job.
Speaker 1: But I remember sometimes some sketches worked for me, some didn't.
Speaker 1: Sometimes it was crossover. Keenan Thompson as a kid, did
Speaker 1: a sketch with Chris Farley. Chris Farley showed up and
Speaker 1: they both played the crazy Chefs, where where Keenan loved
Speaker 1: chocolate on everything and Farley wanted want a catch up
Speaker 1: on everything. And as a kid, since I knew who
Speaker 1: Chris Farley was, my mind was blown. I'm like, this
Speaker 1: guy gets to do a sketch with Chris Farley and
Speaker 1: and I think Farley he may have passed away, like
Speaker 1: not a year later, do you know what I mean?
Speaker 1: Like it was this crazy thing. But but when I
Speaker 1: was a kid, all that sometimes it was tough for me.
Speaker 1: And then years later I tried to I think I learned.
Speaker 1: I'm like, I think it's because in classic Saturday Night
Speaker 1: Live sketches, which at the time is sort of what
Speaker 1: I thought all comedy was, or any good sketch today,
Speaker 1: there's always there's always kind of one element that's out
Speaker 1: of the ordinary, one crazy character or one crazy idea
Speaker 1: or theme or whatever, and everybody else is kind of
Speaker 1: playing a grounded reality, like there's you know, and they're
Speaker 1: like a voice of reason or like a straight man.
Speaker 1: Sometimes in all that sketches there would be like two
Speaker 1: or three or four crazy, you know characters, and there
Speaker 1: was it was tough to like to like bring it
Speaker 1: back down. It was repair man man man man, you know,
Speaker 1: like Perrs Cargo, Keenan's Pierres Cargo, just like him trying
Speaker 1: to do French accents in a bathtub. Yeah. No, but
Speaker 1: the alumni was pretty good. I mean there's some like
Speaker 1: deep cut alumni that I didn't know, Like it's season six.
Speaker 1: Gabriel and Glaciers was part of the cast, remember that.
Speaker 1: And you know, Cannon was one of the biggest ones
Speaker 1: who came out of it. Keenan Thompson, we just talked
Speaker 1: about him. Laurie Beth Dinburgh went on to the Steve
Speaker 1: Harvey Show and then she did a few work after that.
Speaker 1: I actually was in the big Freedom music video with her.
Speaker 1: And then you had like Amanda Binds, even though you
Speaker 1: know she kind of fell off a bit, but like
Speaker 1: she was like, who's my neighbor, shout out to Josh.
Speaker 1: So it was like this was also like brewing talent,
Speaker 1: and you're right as someone who like all his life
Speaker 1: wanted to act. This was the main source of my
Speaker 1: sevening jealousy of like how do I do this? And
Speaker 1: you have this Nigerian father who has one doesn't want
Speaker 1: me to act to doesn't know how. And you know
Speaker 1: my mom she's from the South, you know she she
Speaker 1: also doesn't have any clue to where to send me.
Speaker 1: But that's all I wanted to. I would watch these
Speaker 1: kids and I was like, if I just had one shot,
Speaker 1: it's inspiring. Yeah, it was inspiring, you know, like and
Speaker 1: and I love so many of those classic sketches and
Speaker 1: and uh yeah, Amanda Bindes was my favorite when I
Speaker 1: was a kid, so that when she got her own
Speaker 1: show and then later was showing up in movies, I
Speaker 1: was like, yeah, that makes sense. Like she was like
Speaker 1: the best on the show, Like she was fantastic. So
Speaker 1: you know, it's so weird listening to y'all talk about
Speaker 1: this is that you both saw them and like I
Speaker 1: want to be them, And it's so weird because I
Speaker 1: feel like growing up, for me it was a little
Speaker 1: bit different. I didn't really see Latina's on screen at
Speaker 1: all at all at all, And for me it was
Speaker 1: more like, oh, I want to date them or I
Speaker 1: want to marry them. You know that's funny, but that's
Speaker 1: like how we're raised, like you need to find a
Speaker 1: good husband, you need a husband, And so I grew
Speaker 1: up wanting to marry these guys and then realizing when
Speaker 1: I was in college ish like, oh no, I'm my
Speaker 1: own thing. Like you didn't want to marry like members
Speaker 1: of in Sync or bactually, but you wanted to marry
Speaker 1: You wanted to marry the cast members. I wanted to
Speaker 1: marry Brian from Backstreet Boys. I also had a crush
Speaker 1: on Max Goof, as you do, because he was a
Speaker 1: smooth teenager. I was very sexually confused by that, having
Speaker 1: a crush on a dog. One of my ex girlfriends
Speaker 1: told me that she had a crush on SpongeBob SquarePants
Speaker 1: when she was much and told like classmates like, oh,
Speaker 1: he's my boyfriend, Like SpongeBob is my boyfriend, and I
Speaker 1: think that's what I call him, Bob. Yeah. I thought
Speaker 1: it was like real cute and real funny that, like,
Speaker 1: because because she went on to do comedy and stuff
Speaker 1: like that, and I think it's real funny that, um,
Speaker 1: you had a thing for Max Goof that she had
Speaker 1: a thing for SpongeBob, like there's something about It's because
Speaker 1: SpongeBob was like good and very funny. Yeah, I don't know,
Speaker 1: that's I think that's really interesting. I know it is funny,
Speaker 1: how like Yeah, for you to fall for like someone
Speaker 1: like Max or SpongeBob, it has to be their good
Speaker 1: personality features, where someone like Lola Bunny it's like, oh no,
Speaker 1: she was drawn as a sex and that's why we're like, yeah,
Speaker 1: that's my girl, like Jessica Rabbit, like right, right right.
Speaker 1: It's just you know once again that you know all
Speaker 1: the little ways that the patriarchy isn't work. I did
Speaker 1: want to say before we fully move on. I just
Speaker 1: had two points I needed to make in the um,
Speaker 1: like we were saying, Nickelodeon studios opened at Universal Studios,
Speaker 1: that's where they filmed a lot of their live stuff.
Speaker 1: And then also in magazine, don't you remember those commercials?
Speaker 1: Good Lord, like just begging. I'm sure that everybody of
Speaker 1: parents existed everywhere to Jake Magazine, you're their kids, just
Speaker 1: like god, Momzin, did either of you get them? No? No,
Speaker 1: I did, oh my gosh, because you know when they
Speaker 1: get it now. And I still fall for these traps
Speaker 1: every time when it's like sign up, we're giving you
Speaker 1: a free magazine. And so my dad was like he
Speaker 1: got it, and he was like, okay, pick the magazine
Speaker 1: and right there was Nick mag for free, and I
Speaker 1: got to get it, and I that was the one
Speaker 1: I would wait every month for it. It like drove
Speaker 1: my childhood because it's a magazine. Yeah, it was like
Speaker 1: good magazine had like little tongue to it. Also gave
Speaker 1: you like the celeb updates for all the stars on
Speaker 1: Oh my Gosh. When Yeah, when I was a kid,
Speaker 1: my mom and dad would frequently get me Disney Adventures
Speaker 1: were like little magazine, just highlights. And I really I
Speaker 1: didn't want Nick Magazine as much as I think Zoo Books.
Speaker 1: That was the other commercial as a kid where it
Speaker 1: was like, oh my god, there's the like and it
Speaker 1: was like I never got it. That was I got
Speaker 1: close to Zoo Books. I got my dad to fill
Speaker 1: out the form during a book fair and then at
Speaker 1: the last second he was like, no, yeah, just go
Speaker 1: to the library. Yeah, but yeah, I don't want to
Speaker 1: skip over Good Burger because you mentioned it. And that
Speaker 1: was a moment in history because we went from not
Speaker 1: only because I liked the parallels between all that and SNL.
Speaker 1: And this was one of the biggest steps that happened
Speaker 1: in SNL was where a sketch is so popular it
Speaker 1: turns into Brothers cone Heads. And then in the nineties
Speaker 1: it was Wayne's World, That's what it was all about. Man. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and even stuff like now at the Roxbury Yeah, the Ladies. Man,
Speaker 1: it's Pat Stewart saves his family and my maybe my
Speaker 1: personal favorite MC gruber, but I love the Yeah, I
Speaker 1: love that when good Burger made that leap. And again
Speaker 1: it just speaks to like Nickelodeon when they were sort
Speaker 1: of on top of everything, they were branching out there
Speaker 1: trying to do live action sketch shows, They're trying to
Speaker 1: do news programs, they're doing Nick at Night programming, they're
Speaker 1: doing a magazine, they're doing at Studio in in in
Speaker 1: Universal down in Florida. They're doing a movie. And eventually
Speaker 1: that led to, you know, there were other Nickelodeon movies
Speaker 1: based on their cartoon properties. Um, you know, I think
Speaker 1: Nick Nick games is a thing is another branch of
Speaker 1: of Nickelodeon as a whole, like you know, like interactive
Speaker 1: video games, eventually became a thing. The magazine we talked about,
Speaker 1: uh nick dot com was a big website when we
Speaker 1: were kids. Like it's cool that they were branching out
Speaker 1: to just do other stuff that they weren't just like
Speaker 1: content with, like no, we just have original cartoons and
Speaker 1: wear a cable channel and that's it. Like they're trying
Speaker 1: to do other stuff. And I think that it helped
Speaker 1: cement them as being parts of our childhood and also
Speaker 1: just being like a relevant and important brand to this day.
Speaker 1: So yeah, so Good Burger came out and is still
Speaker 1: one of my favorite films from my childhood. I always
Speaker 1: if you follow me on Twitter, I'm always pitching a
Speaker 1: Good Burger two. I think we just need Keenan to
Speaker 1: come back, like I'm sure Kel is down. And also
Speaker 1: I just want to say I've read interviews with Kel,
Speaker 1: who also auditioned for SNL, but Um said that he
Speaker 1: had a weird audition, that he took a risk and
Speaker 1: it didn't it didn't really pay off. But he is
Speaker 1: the nicest man. I have friends that that have performed
Speaker 1: on shows with him. He still does stand up and
Speaker 1: he said in this interview about how people like waiters
Speaker 1: whenever they see him when he's ordering, they're like, oh,
Speaker 1: do you want orange soda? You know, like they'll say
Speaker 1: that and he'll be like yeah, sure, like and because
Speaker 1: he doesn't want to ruin because that was such an
Speaker 1: important part of their childhood that he when he goes
Speaker 1: to restaurants, he's not like no, like just you know,
Speaker 1: give me my beer or whatever. He is like yeah,
Speaker 1: and he's like, they'll bring me orange soda, and I
Speaker 1: like also order some an els, but like he doesn't
Speaker 1: turn it down because he just like seeing how excited
Speaker 1: people are that they still remember his character. And I
Speaker 1: loved him in Mystery Man. He was so funny. Oh
Speaker 1: my god. Yes, Mystery Man heavily slept on ahead of
Speaker 1: its time. Yeah, also ahead of it. So yeah, what's
Speaker 1: what's your pitch for Good Burger too, Danny? Can you
Speaker 1: share it now? Um, we don't have time. No, we
Speaker 1: don't have time. I would have to do like a
Speaker 1: whole thing on on all that, which is another thing
Speaker 1: I wanted to say, Like we didn't even really have
Speaker 1: we might do a full episode on something like rennin Stip.
Speaker 1: You don't actually get to talk about, yeah, the way
Speaker 1: that we did with like teenage mutants and things that
Speaker 1: like it. It had a comic like my dad used
Speaker 1: to buy me the rennin Stippy comics, which you know,
Speaker 1: and it's so like grotesque and I probably shouldn't have
Speaker 1: had it when I was seven, but that reboot that
Speaker 1: was yeah, yeah, yeah, that was weird. And then their
Speaker 1: creator got outed as being a very very bad person. Yeah,
Speaker 1: who had a sixteen year old girlfriend at a time
Speaker 1: really oh yes, text her. He actually his lawyer like
Speaker 1: came out with a statement saying, yes, there was a
Speaker 1: period of time when he, as an adult man, had
Speaker 1: a sixteen year old girlfriend when he was working at
Speaker 1: the studio. And it's a lot um So maybe we'll
Speaker 1: skip it or not. I mean, you know, we can't.
Speaker 1: Just I would just like to say too that if
Speaker 1: there's people listening to this right now and they're like
Speaker 1: they're kind of going back and remembering certain stuff that
Speaker 1: they grew up on, or they haven't had a chance
Speaker 1: to check out Nickelodeon like currently, or you know, because
Speaker 1: everybody talks about the nineties being the Golden Age, and
Speaker 1: I think there's there's two reasons why that happens. Number One,
Speaker 1: I think people our age just kind of did stop
Speaker 1: watching cartoons at a certain so they did sort of
Speaker 1: miss on a bunch of cartoons kind of around after
Speaker 1: Invader Zim and Beyond and then maybe Avatar the Less
Speaker 1: and Brander broke through and they check that out as
Speaker 1: a cartoon watcher. But I think number two is I
Speaker 1: think that there is some truth to Nickelodeon being in
Speaker 1: its golden age in the nineties because they were so
Speaker 1: all about taking risks, at least as far as their
Speaker 1: cartoons were concerned, that it's kind of weird to make
Speaker 1: your whole business model around taking a risk, because if
Speaker 1: they would do that later and it didn't pay out,
Speaker 1: then people are like, well, that's not like Nickelodeon enough.
Speaker 1: And it's like, well, they're trying to take a risk,
Speaker 1: and sometimes if they played it safe, because they're a
Speaker 1: huge business, then it wouldn't be Nickelodeon enough. So I'll
Speaker 1: just say to people listening to this right now again,
Speaker 1: I encourage you too. If you feel like watching some
Speaker 1: of these shows again, go back and watch them, go
Speaker 1: and do the research. Go go get booked, or you know,
Speaker 1: just look online and then do this kind of Nickelodeon
Speaker 1: research about the history of the company. Because it is
Speaker 1: fascinating and really cool. Dude. I bought a season of
Speaker 1: All Real Monsters. That was my favorite Nickelodeon show. Got
Speaker 1: canceled way too early. It only has four seasons. Good
Speaker 1: concept and low key kind of was like, I mean,
Speaker 1: it was very monsters inky. It's so good and funny
Speaker 1: and I love it. And yeah, that premiere to Modern
Speaker 1: Life was Rocker's Modern Life, of course, which we didn't
Speaker 1: when we found out that he's a sex worker. Like
Speaker 1: those are things when you go back and watching as
Speaker 1: an adult, you're like, oh crap, they were sliding things
Speaker 1: in here. Yeah, because I think it was the fun
Speaker 1: thing of like trying to especially when which shows like
Speaker 1: rent and stimpy, And I think that's why the reboot
Speaker 1: was not as great as the original, was the constraint
Speaker 1: of trying to see what you can get away with
Speaker 1: while still making its acceptable for children out going full
Speaker 1: on crass and disgusting, because if you do that then
Speaker 1: it's not as funny. Yeah, it's not as funny. But
Speaker 1: you were saying, how you know people look at the
Speaker 1: nineties of the Golden Age because you know all the animation,
Speaker 1: And I do think you have a point, because we
Speaker 1: when we get to the late nineties and the early odds,
Speaker 1: we start having the live action shows, your Ned's Declassified
Speaker 1: school Books, You're Different stuff, And also they launched Noggin,
Speaker 1: which was a big point because de Grassi was there.
Speaker 1: We can jump in all of that fun stuff right
Speaker 1: after these messages and we're back. So I don't want
Speaker 1: to move on without talking about some more of the
Speaker 1: really iconic live action slash light competition shows that we had,
Speaker 1: which was Legends of the Hidden Temple. That was something
Speaker 1: that I did want to compete and I always was wondering, like,
Speaker 1: am I going to see someone from my school on this?
Speaker 1: For some reason? I know, because maybe because they were
Speaker 1: actors Global Guts Guts. So Legends of the Hidden Temple
Speaker 1: of first episode aired on September eleven, and uh, you
Speaker 1: also have Guts, which aired September nine, So a year
Speaker 1: after Guts, they did Legend of the Hidden Tiple. Fun fact,
Speaker 1: Michael Malley, who was a presenter, he's still out here.
Speaker 1: He actually is the creator of the show Survivor's Remorse
Speaker 1: on I think formerly Survivor's Remorse. I don't think it's
Speaker 1: on the air right now, but that's the show that
Speaker 1: he made with Lebron that was kind of like based
Speaker 1: off of Lebron's life and yeah, so he's like still
Speaker 1: out here making some dope moves and it's funny to
Speaker 1: see how like that's funny with like the Neil Brennan
Speaker 1: thing and now you have like he went the stuff
Speaker 1: he works on is is so crazy when you think that,
Speaker 1: you know, he went from guts to you know, working
Speaker 1: with Lebron James. Those game shows were awesome. Yeah, And
Speaker 1: I don't know if you all know, but Double Dare,
Speaker 1: which was with Mark Summers, actually first aired in six Yeah,
Speaker 1: I didn't know that. That's crazy. Yeah, that's what that means. Yeah.
Speaker 1: And also back of course, the iconic green slime, the
Speaker 1: slime covered in it actually first came out during a
Speaker 1: skit that they did back in nineteen seventy nine where
Speaker 1: a kids chained up for detention in a dungeon and
Speaker 1: he's told not to pull on his shackles and when
Speaker 1: he does, a toilet flushes and the signature green slime
Speaker 1: comes down. And then that was a great gag that
Speaker 1: they then later used throughout Nickelodeon, but also at their
Speaker 1: Kids Choice Awards and getting slimed was an honor. I
Speaker 1: love the Kid's Choice Awards. When I was a kid,
Speaker 1: it was like the Oscars but for kids, and you know,
Speaker 1: and and and like you said, if they would air
Speaker 1: cool stuff right after, like the pilot episode of SpongeBob
Speaker 1: and and I had a chance to go to a
Speaker 1: taping of the Kid's Choice Awards, and it is insane.
Speaker 1: I went as well. So this year, Ishmael Sahid of
Speaker 1: White Women is on a Nickelodeon show called Cousins for Life,
Speaker 1: and so I get a text room and goes. For
Speaker 1: those who don't know, Ishmael is a very quiet dude
Speaker 1: and he's very like Moby all the time. And he
Speaker 1: was like, hey, if you want to come to the
Speaker 1: Kid's Choice Awards, And I was like a hundred percent
Speaker 1: a million times yes. And not only was I the
Speaker 1: kids store, I was the v I P. And I
Speaker 1: had the nosebleeds, so I was the v I P
Speaker 1: in the back with all their snacks. And it was
Speaker 1: wild because you'd see all these kids who I felt
Speaker 1: bad because I didn't recognize any of them because they're
Speaker 1: like current Nickelodeon stars. And then you had Kevin Bacon
Speaker 1: and so so yeah, our buddy Ben Schwartz. He now,
Speaker 1: I'll tell you my whole experience. I walked there, I
Speaker 1: get my badge, and they remembered me because I just
Speaker 1: got done doing my Blues Clues audition. I was like, oh,
Speaker 1: please don't remember that because it went whack. It was
Speaker 1: not like basically they I guess I had the voice
Speaker 1: actor for Blue in there while I'm doing it. I
Speaker 1: didn't know. I'm doing my lines. She does the Blue songs.
Speaker 1: I physically jump back and they're like, okay, let's move
Speaker 1: on to the next scene. I was like, wait, we
Speaker 1: don't want to take that back. I literally got shocked
Speaker 1: by what you're supposed to be my co star. So anyway,
Speaker 1: he did not get that, but they're like, oh, yeah,
Speaker 1: if you just came in for that, yes, that is
Speaker 1: the exact sound she made. And I was like, because
Speaker 1: you know, I'm thinking, you know, they're just gonna be like,
Speaker 1: all right, you're just reacting to your imagination in retrospect.
Speaker 1: That's a good thing to actually have something to react to. Anyway,
Speaker 1: So we get there and Ishmael has to walk the
Speaker 1: orange carpet with his fake family and I was like, yo,
Speaker 1: we gotta do it together, and he was like, no,
Speaker 1: it's like this my moment. And I was like, all right,
Speaker 1: I understand. I really wanted to walk the orange carpet.
Speaker 1: Though I will remember this for the rest of myne
Speaker 1: never I will not be on a Nick show probably
Speaker 1: you know who know who knows we'll see. So then
Speaker 1: they were hanging out in the backstage and I'm looking
Speaker 1: around and I see all these kids. Also I dressed down,
Speaker 1: okay because I was thinking, well, yeah, because I was like,
Speaker 1: I might get slimed, so let me dress down. These
Speaker 1: kids are fresh to death looking fresher than me. So
Speaker 1: now mad, I was like, I knew I should have
Speaker 1: worn up good gear. But I'm like, I was like
Speaker 1: these I'm talking about these kids are wearing off white.
Speaker 1: These kids are wearing like yeazys, they're bape And I
Speaker 1: was like, I got all this. I would have been
Speaker 1: impressing these kids. But now I'm like a like a
Speaker 1: herb standing over here in my light dressed down. I
Speaker 1: was so salty. Uh So then I'm sitting no, of
Speaker 1: course not why would exactly. I was looking at this
Speaker 1: also like they slimed. There's all these kids who would
Speaker 1: literally look weird if there was like all these kids
Speaker 1: in big old If. He's like, yeah, we're slimed anyway,
Speaker 1: I'm looking around. I was like, I don't know anyone.
Speaker 1: And then I see Ben and I was like hey, buddy,
Speaker 1: and I was like, wait, what are you doing here?
Speaker 1: Because it was before they like officially announced it. I
Speaker 1: mean they announced it, but like only if you're paying attention.
Speaker 1: And he was like, oh, I'm a ninja turtle. And
Speaker 1: then Omar Gooding was there as well, and I was
Speaker 1: like this is tight because one you're a ninja turtle
Speaker 1: to Omar Goodness that guy. I used to watch him
Speaker 1: all the time. And and then long story slow, I
Speaker 1: didn't get slimed, but the you know, it was fun.
Speaker 1: I wish I got slimed. Yeah. Yeah, we still gotta
Speaker 1: get slimed, y'all. What we we're going to do it?
Speaker 1: I bet all of us will well. I technically have
Speaker 1: been slimed, not offacially slimed. I did a it was
Speaker 1: this like Turf Company. They did this Facebook live kind
Speaker 1: of event where we did like a double Dare type
Speaker 1: event and we actually had the who's the host of
Speaker 1: Double Dare again? Marks? Yeah, Mark Summers actually came out
Speaker 1: and like did it and they end so like they
Speaker 1: did the one event where there's the balloon filled with
Speaker 1: slime and you have to pop the most balloons. When
Speaker 1: I say I wrecked that, When I say that, all
Speaker 1: that energy I had as a kid, when I was
Speaker 1: like I need to be out there. I had something
Speaker 1: to prove. And me and the twenty people who were
Speaker 1: watching that Turf Companies Facebook live video knows that I
Speaker 1: the real cheat. I didn't get to walk the orange carpet,
Speaker 1: but no, I'm going to get good for you if yeah,
Speaker 1: you know, so I got slimed up. It's it's nice,
Speaker 1: but yeah, no is so then uh yeah, so we
Speaker 1: have July of Yes, this is the big one that
Speaker 1: is when SpongeBob square Pants officially premiered. So for all
Speaker 1: of us, like older people, I mean, SpongeBob is their moneymaker.
Speaker 1: SpongeBob I think to this says as of late SpongeBob
Speaker 1: has generated thirteen billion in merchandizing revenue for Nickelodeon. It's
Speaker 1: so funny because, like you were saying, for us, it's like,
Speaker 1: oh no, it's Rugrats and we grew up with a
Speaker 1: grand and Steff no SpongeBob. Yeah, SpongeBob needs more credit
Speaker 1: for everything that it's done. For that and how long
Speaker 1: it's been because it's still running right actor. I think
Speaker 1: as of right now it is and if if it's not,
Speaker 1: they're at least doing another movie. Was there a time
Speaker 1: when Tom Kenny, who's voice of the famous voice of SpongeBob,
Speaker 1: did he drop out or piece out or like I
Speaker 1: thought he wanted a piece out, but then they were like, well,
Speaker 1: you can't do this without him. No. I think the
Speaker 1: thing about Tom that people might not know is I
Speaker 1: had a chance to talk to him for the Nick
Speaker 1: podcast and he said that he tried out for SNL
Speaker 1: and made it in the top three and he was
Speaker 1: beat out I think by like David and Rob Schneider.
Speaker 1: This is back in like the mid to early nineties.
Speaker 1: And he so he got beaten out by two out
Speaker 1: of the top three spots, so he couldn't get it
Speaker 1: because it only had two spots or whatever. And he
Speaker 1: goes on to talk about how devastated he was by that,
Speaker 1: because when you're a comedian, when you're stand up comic,
Speaker 1: that is the end goal. If you don't make that,
Speaker 1: what then? Right? And I know, athletes deal with the
Speaker 1: same thing, where like if they don't win the World Series,
Speaker 1: if they don't win the World Cup, you know, this
Speaker 1: kind of like horrifically depressing, um devastating thing happens. But
Speaker 1: Tom goes on to describe it like if he had
Speaker 1: gotten SNL, he wouldn't have gotten SpongeBob SquarePants. He wouldn't
Speaker 1: have been there, he wouldn't have been in the room.
Speaker 1: And ultimately he always wanted to do a thing like SpongeBob.
Speaker 1: SpongeBob and voice acting was his dream job, that was
Speaker 1: the end goal. And so he has always loved doing
Speaker 1: the character and being the character. As far as I know,
Speaker 1: I don't know if there was ever a time where
Speaker 1: him or anybody else in the cast didn't want to
Speaker 1: do it. I mean that cast is just insane. You've
Speaker 1: got Bill FAGERBACKI who does Patrick Starr, who is underrated
Speaker 1: as a smart, dumb character. It is tough to play
Speaker 1: a dumb character, and Bill like Patrick is like next level.
Speaker 1: Then you've got Clancy Brown, Clancy Brown from The Highlander,
Speaker 1: from the voice of Lex Luthor from the DC Animated Universe,
Speaker 1: Like who's got this amazing voice who sounds like this,
Speaker 1: he's Mr Crabs and he loves doing Mr Crabs because
Speaker 1: he loves to like surprise kids and people once they
Speaker 1: learned that he is Mr Crabs. That's like his favorite
Speaker 1: character that he does. And he's this this he is
Speaker 1: this incredibly imposing, like very intimidating, super nice but like
Speaker 1: intimidating guy. He's got this great presence and he's the
Speaker 1: voice of Mr Crabs. So it's like, yeah, I mean
Speaker 1: there was stuff that came before SpongeBob to round out
Speaker 1: the rest of the nineties. It was Hey Arnold Blam
Speaker 1: was another show that I loved as a kid, was
Speaker 1: like a sketch shows well live action was The Kids
Speaker 1: Robot Chicken. Before Yes, it was Angry Beavers was also
Speaker 1: a lot of fun, and Angry Beaver is one of
Speaker 1: those voice actors went on to voice Invader Zim So
Speaker 1: again up there kind of you know, reusing their very
Speaker 1: talented cast. Cat Dog premiered in a year before Tom
Speaker 1: Kenny was the voice of Dog and Cat Dog there
Speaker 1: you go. Also, I just want to talk about like
Speaker 1: Tom Kenney still out there getting like he is most
Speaker 1: famously known for SpongeBob, but he is also Commissioner Gordon.
Speaker 1: He has also done a ton of different voices on
Speaker 1: Rick and Morty, so you definitely heard him there. All
Speaker 1: of the top tier voice over talent. You should do
Speaker 1: yourself a favor if you like any of these characters,
Speaker 1: find out who does the voice, and then go to
Speaker 1: their IMDb and your jaw will drop. And how often
Speaker 1: these people work it is insane. Yeah. Tom Kenny's also
Speaker 1: Heifer and Rocco's Mardern Life. He plays the Ice King
Speaker 1: in Adventure Time. He's a narrator and mayor in there
Speaker 1: Puff Girls, who I love the mayor Well yeaheah. He's
Speaker 1: done a ton of stuff. Yeah, it's it's great, and
Speaker 1: it also lets you know why it's so hard to
Speaker 1: break into the voice over industry, because really, because they
Speaker 1: do it all. Yeah, they basically yeah everyone, once you're
Speaker 1: in the family, you're you're bouncing around. But so yeah,
Speaker 1: looking at you. Chris Sabbott voices every Dragon ball Z
Speaker 1: character ever. Yeah. Another cool thing that I love that
Speaker 1: Nickelodeon did, and I think Cartoon Network did the same
Speaker 1: thing around the same time as Oh Yeah Cartoons, which
Speaker 1: was like they're like pilot, you know, the thing that
Speaker 1: where they would produce pilot shows where I think, like
Speaker 1: fairly odd parents came from that chalk zone a bunch
Speaker 1: of shows, you know, they were like trying things things out,
Speaker 1: my life as a teenage robot the Wild. Thornberry's premiered
Speaker 1: before SpongeBob, and that was the last show before SpongeBob.
Speaker 1: Thornbury's was a great show. Tim Curry as Nigel Thornberry
Speaker 1: was fantastic, so much so good so then SpongeBob even
Speaker 1: though it premier so many people, even Nickelodeon itself, I
Speaker 1: have a Nickelodeon backpack that didn't bring I should have
Speaker 1: brought it. That is like nineties Nick and SpongeBob premiering
Speaker 1: in the nineteen ninety ninety nine means it's a nineties
Speaker 1: Nick show, but it's not. Nobody considers it that because
Speaker 1: it because it took a few seasons to become what
Speaker 1: it is. It took like three or four seasons for
Speaker 1: people to catch on and the world to catch on.
Speaker 1: But he represents that sort of shift of like, Okay,
Speaker 1: Nickelodeon's back I get not that they were ever gone,
Speaker 1: but like man, what a what a what a phenomenon? Also,
Speaker 1: what that means is July sevent of next year, will
Speaker 1: mean that it's been on the air twenty years. It
Speaker 1: has been on the air longer than some people who
Speaker 1: watch it. Oh he has been born absolutely, I mean
Speaker 1: multigenerational at this point, which is crazy. You're on a
Speaker 1: page because he's going through his nio. This was a
Speaker 1: very formative for me as a California kid. Rocket wanted
Speaker 1: so bad, I was everything. I would watch that show
Speaker 1: and then go outside and yeah, remember when Tony Hawk
Speaker 1: was on it. Oh that was after after Rocket Power,
Speaker 1: which again came from like class Key Chupo, as told
Speaker 1: by Ginger, was a show that I was not the
Speaker 1: target demographic, but I was like, oh, this is awesome.
Speaker 1: It's a great, great show. The Fairly Odd Parents was
Speaker 1: a huge show premiere to two thousand one, huge show
Speaker 1: and another huge money maker. I feel like if SpongeBob's one,
Speaker 1: the Fairly Odd Parents has been consistently a solid sort
Speaker 1: of number two to to the pop culture phenomenon that
Speaker 1: is SpongeBob, because it's just it's just so consistent. Fairly
Speaker 1: Odd Parents was so good and so funny. Two thousand one,
Speaker 1: Invader Zim was a big deal. This show was canceled early,
Speaker 1: uh famous famously because the creator could not compromise. And
Speaker 1: it's so interesting because Joe Nenvasquez is a genius and
Speaker 1: he had such a vision for what the show was.
Speaker 1: He was in his early twenties when he got this show,
Speaker 1: he was a young man. And famously, the story goes
Speaker 1: that there was a meeting where there were and this
Speaker 1: is all here say, I don't know what the actual
Speaker 1: thing was, and this is all stuff that I did
Speaker 1: not learn from anybody at Nickelodeon, but rather when I
Speaker 1: was an at school for animation from two thousand six
Speaker 1: two thousand nine, I was already hearing the lesson of
Speaker 1: what happened to Invaders in when it was canceled in
Speaker 1: two thousand two. Because it's only gone for a year,
Speaker 1: that's twenty seven episodes, it's like a season and a half.
Speaker 1: Because my our teachers were telling me, here's a lesson
Speaker 1: you need to know if you want to work in
Speaker 1: this industry, if you want to work in animation, it
Speaker 1: is a collaborative process. It is not a rock star show.
Speaker 1: You cannot get away with being a jerk. You cannot
Speaker 1: get away with not being able to work with other people. Famously,
Speaker 1: Walt Disney collaborated with Salvador Dolly on a project back
Speaker 1: in the day, and then he fired him. Do you
Speaker 1: know why? Because salvad Or Dolly was an asshole and
Speaker 1: people are telling Walt, Walt, you can't fire him. He
Speaker 1: salvad Or Dolly. He's like, I don't care. This guy
Speaker 1: doesn't know how to work with other people. That that's
Speaker 1: not what I'm interested in. You know, it doesn't matter
Speaker 1: who the person is. So love Jon and and and
Speaker 1: much love to him, and I'm so glad that he's
Speaker 1: able to come back and do a made for TV
Speaker 1: movie that's coming out hopefully soon ish. People don't know
Speaker 1: when it's coming out yet, but like, but he talks
Speaker 1: about it. He was a different man then, and the
Speaker 1: famous lead. The story I heard when I was in
Speaker 1: college was like the at work came with changes that
Speaker 1: they wanted to make compromise because he has a very
Speaker 1: dark humor style. Everybody knows that about Invader Zim and
Speaker 1: apparently they were relatively minor and he said no way
Speaker 1: and walked away, and it's like, look, man, there are
Speaker 1: other people working on this show. There were the people
Speaker 1: that like they are required, They need that paycheck to
Speaker 1: get by, and it's and it was tough, but but
Speaker 1: it got such a fan base and so much love
Speaker 1: that like, the reason is he was even able to
Speaker 1: come back is because so many people, especially of our generation,
Speaker 1: loved it and kept asking for it to come back.
Speaker 1: So I think also, like you know, Johan uh not
Speaker 1: only had the show, but also at the time, he
Speaker 1: was doing comics and he was crushing it there and
Speaker 1: that kind of helped his ego and being like, Okay,
Speaker 1: I just won't do this and I'll go back to
Speaker 1: making you know, the comics, which, if you haven't squee
Speaker 1: is amazing. I mean, I've remember when I liked it,
Speaker 1: so I can't I can't attest that it holds up.
Speaker 1: You know, what does hold up the Invader Zim comics
Speaker 1: they've done in the past couple of years that Jonan
Speaker 1: has has sort of overseen and like a lot of
Speaker 1: the talent that worked on the show work on it now.
Speaker 1: They're freaking great. They're really really great comics. After Invader Zim,
Speaker 1: you had Choc Zone, which is kind of a this
Speaker 1: is where it starts to get to where people that
Speaker 1: forget the Nicktoons people choc Zone, but choc Zone was
Speaker 1: it hit? It was cool. Two thousand two was Jimmy
Speaker 1: Neutron boyg was This was a big deal because they
Speaker 1: got they got a movie first and this was a
Speaker 1: very came out in two thousand and one, came out
Speaker 1: two doesn't one. It's very interesting deal where like they
Speaker 1: had a show greenlit and part of the reason they
Speaker 1: got the show was like, oh, but can you guys
Speaker 1: also do and it was the first like c G
Speaker 1: show on Nickelodeon, But can you also with all the
Speaker 1: models that you guys created, everything you created with the
Speaker 1: budget you have, if we gave you more of a budget,
Speaker 1: could you also do like a full length feature film
Speaker 1: to sort of kick it off and then do you
Speaker 1: know our series order of however many we need. So
Speaker 1: that was a big deal and that movie, even though
Speaker 1: I didn't love it, got nominated for an OSCAR for
Speaker 1: Best Animated Feature. That just to show like it's it
Speaker 1: shouldn't it's not all about Disney or now Pixar every
Speaker 1: year year in and year out witting it. It's like
Speaker 1: you had Shrek, you had Dreamwork, yet all there's other
Speaker 1: animation studios doing stuff. So that was cool that they
Speaker 1: were able to branch out into movies, and I think
Speaker 1: even before then rug Rats had a movie, which is
Speaker 1: a big deal in the late nineties or the two thousands,
Speaker 1: eventually found out about Chuckie's mom. It was very emotional,
Speaker 1: very emotional. My Life as a teenage Robot premiered in
Speaker 1: two thousand three, which had a real cool style Where's
Speaker 1: Where's mega xlr Oh, I don't know if that's that's
Speaker 1: not Nickelodeon, that's Cartoon Network. That I think goes to
Speaker 1: a test when and I don't think it's necessarily a negative.
Speaker 1: I feel like it's when you have competition, you borrow
Speaker 1: from each other, and a lot of times that kind
Speaker 1: of lens into a little bleeding of the lines. You
Speaker 1: kind of go like, this could be either a nick
Speaker 1: or Cartoon adventure time I think was a Nickelodeon short
Speaker 1: that they passed on and then Cartoon Network picked it
Speaker 1: up famously, So that was another like, oh, you guys
Speaker 1: really missed the ball on this one. Rug Rats All
Speaker 1: Grown Up premiered in two thousand not the same. I
Speaker 1: was so geeked. I was like, Yep, this is what
Speaker 1: I want, an adult version of a kid show. I
Speaker 1: like Danny Phantom was a big deal. Danny. People loved
Speaker 1: Danny Phantom premiered in two thousand four. Another Butch Hartman show,
Speaker 1: which was just recently left Nick. He just it's true, Yeah,
Speaker 1: he did very recently. I didn't click on the video
Speaker 1: I followed Butch Hartmann on social I didn't click on
Speaker 1: it where he's like, here's why I left Nickelodeon. But
Speaker 1: he has been so prolific. Uh and um, yeah, you
Speaker 1: know it's it's gonna be really interesting to see what
Speaker 1: he does next. Because he clicked on the videos. I
Speaker 1: was like, I need the draw. But it was he
Speaker 1: has some drama going on on his Twitter account right now.
Speaker 1: He's been there the whole He's been there like his
Speaker 1: whole career. Twitter. We can then we gotta but yeah,
Speaker 1: but Butch the only just for anyone who's like, why
Speaker 1: did he leave, he was like, oh, I've just been
Speaker 1: there long enough. It wasn't drama. It was click. Butch
Speaker 1: maybe my favorite nicktoon of all time premieres in two
Speaker 1: thousand five. So Different Avatar, The Last Amberender. You can,
Speaker 1: guys can do a whole episode about that. If you
Speaker 1: guys have not seen this show, you need to do
Speaker 1: yourself a favorite and invest and watch those first three
Speaker 1: seas into that first show, and then go watch the
Speaker 1: Legend of Court because they're gorgeous. Here's amazing. This was
Speaker 1: a big moment. The Avadar was a big moment in
Speaker 1: the anime community because there was a schism. Yes, there
Speaker 1: was a huge schism between all the anime elitist because
Speaker 1: it garnered the argument is this anime and you had
Speaker 1: people who believed it was people who believed it wasn't,
Speaker 1: and they shot barbs at each other because of it.
Speaker 1: Then they coined that weird term American aime. I've never heard.
Speaker 1: We never heard that, dude. It was like it was
Speaker 1: because of Avatar. They started calling like American produced anime,
Speaker 1: American anime and uh, you know, a long time ago
Speaker 1: on krillin Super we had Thomas Sean Thomas who was
Speaker 1: who explained that anime is just Japanese for animation, so
Speaker 1: there really is no difference to say what is anime.
Speaker 1: I I'm under the belief that it is colloquial now
Speaker 1: at this point of a certain art style, which would
Speaker 1: mean by that banner you would look at Avatar's anime.
Speaker 1: I remember having that same discussion about Boondocks. A lot
Speaker 1: of the style of Boondocks very anime and overseas literally anime. Yeah,
Speaker 1: Lashawan actually worked on Legend of Cora and Boondogs, and
Speaker 1: he said, and now he is doing Children of Ether
Speaker 1: and Cannon Busters and he works over there. And he
Speaker 1: just was like, nobody has this conversation in Jared and
Speaker 1: nobody cares. Only you guys care. Oh, that's only a
Speaker 1: conversation I hear from Westerners. Literally, nobody says that or
Speaker 1: cares or is busy or bothered or well, because there
Speaker 1: is that line in anime fandom where there is a
Speaker 1: level of fetishization of Japanese culture. And so that's where
Speaker 1: that is the root of that, that is the route,
Speaker 1: that's the whole root and why people are like, oh
Speaker 1: my hero academia, no call it boku, no hero like
Speaker 1: you know, like that that is where that is sources like,
Speaker 1: and it is all under the veil of oh, I'm
Speaker 1: just trying to respect. It was like, well, the way
Speaker 1: you respect is just enjoying it. And they don't care
Speaker 1: what you call it. They don't care if you say
Speaker 1: hunter hunter or hunter x hunter. If you're watching it
Speaker 1: and enjoying it their chill. Trust me as someone who
Speaker 1: has interacted and a lot of these creators some of
Speaker 1: them are not a lot, but like I don't want
Speaker 1: to like guests, well, I would say like, yeah, I'm
Speaker 1: curlling it. We would have Japanese American creators on our
Speaker 1: show and it was so funny because they were like, yeah,
Speaker 1: white people correct me about like how I should be
Speaker 1: calling it yeah, you know, And it's just so like
Speaker 1: you said, if he they fetishize this culture that isn't
Speaker 1: their's and then try to correct people about how what
Speaker 1: it is and what it's not. I think I I
Speaker 1: learned a couple of years ago, which is really interesting,
Speaker 1: is about cultural appropriation. What is it and what isn't
Speaker 1: it is. I was talking to a comic book artist,
Speaker 1: a guy named Philippe A. Smith who actually created co
Speaker 1: created um the New Latino Ghostwriter. So he's been riding
Speaker 1: that wave and he's so still he's like friends with
Speaker 1: the actor and he's like so stoked about the Ghostwriter
Speaker 1: appearing in like Agents of Shield and so on and
Speaker 1: so forth. But Philippe A. Smith was born in South America,
Speaker 1: raised in the US. I think he's like half black,
Speaker 1: half white, and he is the first ever Westerner to
Speaker 1: move to Japan and actually produce comics there at a
Speaker 1: Japanese comic book company. So he was producing manga. And
Speaker 1: this manga was about an American character who um is
Speaker 1: obsessed with Japan and then he gets a chance to
Speaker 1: go visit Japan and then like it's kind of different
Speaker 1: than what he expects, and it's comedic and it's crazy,
Speaker 1: and it's also about how Japanese people in Japanese culture
Speaker 1: view American culture and like gangster lifestyle and all this
Speaker 1: this really interesting intersection of like cultures. And because he's
Speaker 1: this guy who's kind of worldly and grew up in
Speaker 1: different places and moved to Japan and lived there for
Speaker 1: years and actually does it, there was that argument back
Speaker 1: then of like, hey, is it manga if um, if
Speaker 1: you draw it and you do it here in the States, no,
Speaker 1: it's not. Well is it manga if you produce it
Speaker 1: in Japan? Yes it is. Well, what if it's done
Speaker 1: by west Stern, No it's not. Well that's bullshit, because
Speaker 1: that's what Philippe I did. And he was kind of,
Speaker 1: you know, showing us like it doesn't really matter ultimately,
Speaker 1: but what's interesting is the different combinations of cultures and
Speaker 1: kind of what you can get. So, yes, Avatar the
Speaker 1: Last Emberander hugely influenced by Eastern animation and animators themselves,
Speaker 1: and they would send stuff, you know when you send
Speaker 1: it over to the show they eventually had. It wasn't
Speaker 1: just American produced and United you know producing the United States,
Speaker 1: but eventually they had animation directors, like a lot of
Speaker 1: these shows where they're in Korea or they're in Japan,
Speaker 1: or they're in you know these places where you're in
Speaker 1: charge of this whole sequence and then they do it,
Speaker 1: and it's just as much there is as it is
Speaker 1: the writers who wrote the English words that are gonna
Speaker 1: be spoken by the American voice actors, you know that
Speaker 1: are they're like that're sort of in the final mix
Speaker 1: of the show. So it's this really beautiful and interesting combination. Um,
Speaker 1: I think you guys nailed that. It's it's it's the
Speaker 1: topic of like what is and what isn't is interesting
Speaker 1: but doesn't matter. And I think as the years go on,
Speaker 1: that kind of line is going to get blurred because
Speaker 1: I can watch show that's on Cartoon Network right now,
Speaker 1: like okay kao Let's Be Heroes clearly has animate influences.
Speaker 1: It's not a show that is that is animated in
Speaker 1: that style per se. It's a little cartoony show. And
Speaker 1: yet here we are. So yeah. So then two thousand twelve,
Speaker 1: after the SpongeBob, we went down a nice deep dive
Speaker 1: of these young dope cartoons. But then the end launched
Speaker 1: Ona and that was the moment that everything changed for
Speaker 1: me because that is when we were able to watch
Speaker 1: Degrassi in the US for too long, and that was
Speaker 1: actually my first introduction to Aubrey Drake Graham, who eventually
Speaker 1: went on to become the rapper known as Drake Drizzy
Speaker 1: Drizzy Drake. But then from there it turned Nicktoons TV
Speaker 1: came on when it was a channel just for Nick's
Speaker 1: animated series which launched in two thousand five. Then you
Speaker 1: had um, you know, a new logo in two thousand nine.
Speaker 1: Then Nick Splatt was actually really fascinating that came out
Speaker 1: in twenty which was like a block for Nick's like
Speaker 1: golden era, the ones that we were just talking about shows.
Speaker 1: And then they came out with like a crate essentially
Speaker 1: of that Nick Box, the Nick Box, and it's just
Speaker 1: so funny because we're all so like, I see a
Speaker 1: lot of these companies trying to capitalize on nostalgia, and
Speaker 1: I feel like that's exactly what that is. It was like,
Speaker 1: here's here's all your old favorite shows and then here's
Speaker 1: a box of like you can have Chucky, a doll
Speaker 1: of Chucky from Regrets, you know, and I'm actually what
Speaker 1: they had in there was a Cynthia doll from Regrets.
Speaker 1: It was awesome. Well Angelica had. What's so wild too,
Speaker 1: is just how much merchandizing nick did have in its
Speaker 1: golden age. Like I remember Jack Boy, I wanted gag
Speaker 1: so bad. All it was was just this kind of
Speaker 1: like putty, but like because it was the Nickelodeon. Ghack,
Speaker 1: I lost my mind about Then they had the Slime
Speaker 1: that you that was basically just putty, Like they all
Speaker 1: this Nickelodeon branded stuff, and then now it lives on
Speaker 1: still creating dope cartoons like Ko that's also Cartoon Network.
Speaker 1: And sorry, many didn't mean to if anyone knows, I
Speaker 1: do want to bring up to that. Yes, I'm so sorry.
Speaker 1: We're not gonna be able to mention all of your
Speaker 1: shows on Nickelodeon. That would be a whole another hour,
Speaker 1: but two major contenders. I would say I Carly was
Speaker 1: a big deal in Victorious because that gave us are
Speaker 1: On a Grande Victorious and then she went on to
Speaker 1: have Salmon Kat or whatever, and that was our first
Speaker 1: I feel like real introduction played someone totally different, didn't.
Speaker 1: It's really funny because Victoria Justice was, you know, the
Speaker 1: quote unquote like star of that show, but everyone kind
Speaker 1: of like latched onto Ariana Grande who then completely broke
Speaker 1: out and then end up dating snel cast member. It
Speaker 1: all comes back together and now they're getting married. And
Speaker 1: I also want to point out to when Nickelodeon acquired
Speaker 1: the Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles is a little scary for
Speaker 1: Turtles fans. It's like, I don't know what are they
Speaker 1: gonna do. So far as far as I'm concerned, Kelodeon
Speaker 1: has been doing them right, and he's had some great shows,
Speaker 1: great shorts. The movie side, that's a different story, Michael Bay,
Speaker 1: But the cartoon stuff and the stuff that Nickelodeon has
Speaker 1: been in charge of, I think that we're doing great,
Speaker 1: and all the Turtle stuff since then has been awesome.
Speaker 1: And of course we had Nick Jr. We had Little Bear,
Speaker 1: We had as if he was saying Blues Clues. We
Speaker 1: had my girl Dora trying to teach us all to
Speaker 1: these kids. It was huge. We didn't even talk about
Speaker 1: I didn't want to talk about Drake and Josh and
Speaker 1: just how Drake, Yeah, the other Drake. But yeah, now
Speaker 1: I feel like we did a pretty good job of
Speaker 1: capture and everything. Just looking at the lineup, I mean
Speaker 1: we had Zoe one oh one, you know, and p
Speaker 1: Secret World of Alex Max Salute your Shorts. Yeah, there's
Speaker 1: so many. We are going to do a deep dive
Speaker 1: of some of these. Yeah, I feel like, yeah, especially
Speaker 1: like some of these that we can really jump into it.
Speaker 1: And of course Clarissa explains at all, which was my
Speaker 1: first huge crush. You know, she was dope as hell.
Speaker 1: But also now that I'm older, I'm like, my parents,
Speaker 1: why did they let me watch this boy that had
Speaker 1: a ladder that would crawl into her bedroom and gave
Speaker 1: me some ideas inappropriate? Not my fault, Mom and Dad,
Speaker 1: But yeah, no, it's been super great and it seems
Speaker 1: like Nick's just keeping that fun train rolling and for
Speaker 1: you know, little Naomi's gonna be watching nixt soon enough
Speaker 1: and she's gonna have her shows. It's it's wild. I
Speaker 1: think it's fun to see the generational stuff. But for everyone,
Speaker 1: I think some of these shows to check out. I
Speaker 1: think if there was one shows out of all the
Speaker 1: shows we talked about that you can recommend, will go
Speaker 1: around the table, let someone go back and watch one,
Speaker 1: only one, I feel like it would it be Especially
Speaker 1: for kids, I would pick Hey Arnold. I thought Hey
Speaker 1: Arnold was it because, like Avatar is different. That's cool
Speaker 1: when you're an adult, super different, super cool. But Hey
Speaker 1: Arnold especially was like, here's a group of like inner
Speaker 1: city kids, a bunch of different backgrounds. You learn things
Speaker 1: like Harold the bully, he's not just a bully. He's
Speaker 1: got his own troubles, He's got his own stuff, and
Speaker 1: taught me lessons and maybe want to live in a
Speaker 1: city and made city living cool. Whereas before Hay Arnold,
Speaker 1: I felt like everything was in a suburb, everything was
Speaker 1: the bit to Beaver. But then you get to hear
Speaker 1: On and it's like, look, man, they got there. They
Speaker 1: got a train in their backyard, just like we do.
Speaker 1: So I would pick that. What about you? If you?
Speaker 1: What would be your recommendation. Who if I had to
Speaker 1: pick my recommendation, I'm sorry, I'm gonna say Invader Zim.
Speaker 1: It's a fun watch. It was scary that spooky enough,
Speaker 1: you know, and to me, I feel like it really
Speaker 1: shaped the comedy in it was really ahead of its time,
Speaker 1: just when they were fighting with the planets and it
Speaker 1: drops on that guy's cup and he's freaking out, like
Speaker 1: when he really could move, you know, like if he
Speaker 1: just moved from that cup, he would be fine, but
Speaker 1: he just was holding onto it and losing his mind.
Speaker 1: And that made me laugh for so long in my life.
Speaker 1: And I went and looked it up. It was. It
Speaker 1: was very It was very reminiscent to the Austin Powers
Speaker 1: bit with the car coming and the guy, yeah, move,
Speaker 1: move out of the way. So yeah, man, this is hard.
Speaker 1: I guess I have to go for all my little
Speaker 1: horror babies that love Halloween. A real monsters. Yeah, it's
Speaker 1: a good one, all real monsters. It's just it's fun.
Speaker 1: I don't know. I had to like write one day
Speaker 1: and I just like bought it and put it on
Speaker 1: in the background. Um, but I just I loved it
Speaker 1: so much and I'm a big fan of Halloween, and
Speaker 1: it's Halloween all the time for them, So yeah, that's great, right, Well,
Speaker 1: where can people find you, actors? You can find me
Speaker 1: on the internet at Hector is Funny. Check out new
Speaker 1: episodes of Animation Investigation that are appearing on YouTube dot com,
Speaker 1: slash and Noticed every Thursday morning. And also listen for
Speaker 1: the newest episode of the Five Greatest Films podcast for
Speaker 1: me and my roommate and good buddy Keller not Black.
Speaker 1: Watch a different movie each week with a different guest.
Speaker 1: And it's going to take us ten years to complete
Speaker 1: the list of the five greatest Huh. Yeah, that's a lot.
Speaker 1: Yeah uh. And also you can go back and listen
Speaker 1: to old episodes of the official Nickelodeon Animation podcast Hector
Speaker 1: did because he spoke to a lot of creators and
Speaker 1: voice actors. If you like this, go take a further
Speaker 1: deep dive. Go do that, you go even deeper. I
Speaker 1: appreciate that, Thank you. It would be cool. And you
Speaker 1: know me. You can catch me here every Tuesday, right
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Speaker 1: you that they do not auto route new and every
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