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Speaker 1: At least he's the Drive with Dale Lolly and Matt

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Speaker 1: Williamson on your twenty four to seven home of the

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Speaker 1: Black and Gold Steelers Nation Radio.

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Speaker 2: And welcome back.

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Speaker 3: I am Dale Lolly here with the Max Starks and

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Speaker 3: Matt Williamson at the league meetings here in West Palm

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Speaker 3: Beach and Mike Tomlin addressing the media here earlier today.

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Speaker 3: I was asked about that on on social media last week,

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Speaker 3: Mike Thomlin's talking at at the meetings? Is this something special?

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Speaker 3: I'm like, no, this is what he does every year.

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Speaker 3: He doesn't talk until he gets down here. He lets

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Speaker 3: Omar talk at the you know, at the at the

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Speaker 3: the combine and all that stuff, and so they you know,

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Speaker 3: just have everything is very much laid out. Omar Kalm

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Speaker 3: will talk either tomorrow here or he'll talk on Tuesday.

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Speaker 3: We'll hear from Art Rooney the second on Tuesday, once

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Speaker 3: the league meetings wrap up and they decide what they

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Speaker 3: decide about any potential rule changes and not as many

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Speaker 3: rule changes on the on the docket this year.

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Speaker 2: Guys now now more more so like I guess, operational rules,

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Speaker 2: I guess I think is probably the best way of

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Speaker 2: operating that.

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Speaker 4: I mean, you have the assistance of the refs, you

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Speaker 4: have you know.

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Speaker 2: Uh, coaching reviews, those type of things that are more

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Speaker 2: you know, kind of what we call situational type of

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Speaker 2: deals versus actual structural rules to gameplay.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, so it's not I mean, and Tomlin did say

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Speaker 3: today that they're you know, and he's on the Competition committee.

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Speaker 3: Obviously they're talking a lot about the kickoff rule, and

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Speaker 3: what was initially proposed was bringing the ball out to

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Speaker 3: the thirty five. He said today. One other thing that

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Speaker 3: they are talking about is moving the kickoff back five

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Speaker 3: yards as opposed to bring you'd keep the kickoff, yeah,

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Speaker 3: rule as is as is, but you move the ball

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Speaker 3: back and say, okay, if you can bang it out

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Speaker 3: of the end zone.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, if you can bang it eighty yards, have that.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, but you're still got to put it in that

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Speaker 3: landing zone. Yeah, or you know you're in trouble. It's

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Speaker 3: gonna go out to the forty.

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Speaker 5: I would like to see more kickoff returns. Yeah, I

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Speaker 5: didn't think you're one of The kickoff rule was a disaster.

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Speaker 4: No, it was because you got a twenty three percent

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Speaker 4: increase in returns.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, different, which is what you want.

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Speaker 5: So it had the.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, fewer concussions.

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Speaker 2: You know, you had that a little short scrum line

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Speaker 2: that you had to deal with. So I think getting

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Speaker 2: more of those and just getting more looks at it,

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Speaker 2: you now create it.

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Speaker 4: They called the dynamic kick, but you make it an

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Speaker 4: exciting kickoff. I'm not gonna go dynamic yin. That's a

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Speaker 4: big one.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, dynamic is huge. That a big word. And it

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Speaker 3: wasn't I mean, there were more, there were more kick

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Speaker 3: return touchdowns and there had been the previous year, but

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Speaker 3: it wasn't like the teams were returning the ball left

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Speaker 3: and right number yeah, yeah, but we did see more

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Speaker 3: returns and that was the one area on special teams

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Speaker 3: where the Steelers were lacking last year was A on

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Speaker 3: their kick return and b on their kick return coverage.

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Speaker 4: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: I think part of that was because it was such

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Speaker 3: a new rule that you know.

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Speaker 4: A little behind schedule.

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Speaker 2: I mean, I I can't tell you how many times,

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Speaker 2: especially when the first preseason game came out, Remember that

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Speaker 5: I just remember knew what they knew, not what to think.

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Speaker 2: And then Danny Smith had just come out of meetings

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Speaker 2: and I remember I was sitting down like at the

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Speaker 2: picnic Carrea right up top outside of Saint Benedict and

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Speaker 2: I had just seen a play where the dude ran

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Speaker 2: I was like, hey, Danny. One of the returns that

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Speaker 2: came out. I was like, it was very intriguing. I

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Speaker 2: was like, you might want to go watch it. It

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Speaker 2: was crazy to see this something. He he went out

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Speaker 2: came back down and gave me a full report about it.

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Speaker 4: Just he was like, hey, hey, Max Man, you know

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Speaker 4: how he kind of talk.

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Speaker 2: I've never met a Cajun Pittsburgh before, so I'm like,

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Speaker 2: you're from Pennsylvania, right. I was like, He's like, why

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Speaker 2: do you sound like you're from like you know, Ebo,

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Speaker 2: Alabama or somebody on the Bayou. And he he had

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Speaker 2: we already saw the dank thing.

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Speaker 5: How much have we talked about that in training camp

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Speaker 5: and on the air, and O what's this kickoff rule

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Speaker 5: going to mean? And it really didn't mean that much

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Speaker 2: The end of the day, what your good kickers said, Ah,

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Speaker 2: we'll just kick it out the back of the end zone.

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Speaker 5: Different.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, it wasn't.

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Speaker 2: It wasn't a big enough difference.

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Speaker 3: And honestly, from the where the returns, the average return

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Speaker 4: Yeah, it wasn't a thirty.

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Speaker 2: It wasn't a big enough difference.

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Speaker 3: That's why they're talking about move maybe moving it to

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Speaker 3: the thirty five or pushing the kick back. Now you

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Speaker 3: start going to the thirty five we talked about last week.

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Speaker 3: If you're you get the ball to thirty five, what's

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Speaker 3: that two first field goal range?

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Speaker 4: Yeah, exactly.

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Speaker 5: But these kickers nowadays, I think that's actually a pretty

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Speaker 2: And I think and teams would be more likely to say, hey,

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Speaker 2: we need to get them back.

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Speaker 3: It's not that much different from going to the forty

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Speaker 3: with if you kick the ball out of bounds and

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Speaker 3: I know coaches hate.

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Speaker 2: That, yeah, exactly, lead to more points.

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Speaker 4: This will lead to more points scoring. That's what initially

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Speaker 2: Whether you move it back five more yards or whether

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Speaker 2: dependal he goes out to the thirty five.

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Speaker 4: You're trying to generate points. Both of those things I

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Speaker 5: That's what fans want and betters and fantasy players, And.

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Speaker 2: I was about to say, for the for the all

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Speaker 2: that they have to keep powered on, they would love

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Speaker 5: This more points more. Yeah. Absolutely, I think it will

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Speaker 5: be something. It will be tweaked either it will be

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Speaker 5: and I think I think it should be, you know,

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Speaker 5: to a degree. I think you need to penalize guys

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Speaker 5: what we were trying. That's what that's what we tried.

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Speaker 2: That's what we tried to avoid why we created this

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Speaker 2: new kickoff, right, and to go back to more of

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Speaker 5: And I think either a five yard penalty or five

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Speaker 5: yards back would definitely make a difference. Yeah, it doesn't

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Speaker 5: sound like much, but I think it definitely makes a difference.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it does, especially when you're talking, you know, and if.

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Speaker 4: You struggle offensively.

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Speaker 2: Now you've give me five more yards than I normally

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Speaker 2: would have and like you said, two first downs.

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Speaker 4: I'm in kicking range.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, some of these Steeler offens is gonna use them

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Speaker 5: over the years.

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Speaker 4: Back in those Canada offenses.

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Speaker 5: Yeah five yards awful lot.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah it is. Can I put that on my

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Speaker 4: stat line.

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Speaker 5: A strong give, a strong push, push, feel or care?

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Speaker 4: I mean, honestly, I don't care.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, I think I think. I don't think it's fun

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Speaker 2: I mean, I just think it's one of those things

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Speaker 2: I just don't think you should be able to assist

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Speaker 5: And the thing that's my thing.

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Speaker 2: It used to be a sudden and I'm like, I

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Speaker 2: get if you're listen, if you want to push the

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Speaker 2: that's that's different. But the guy with the ball.

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Speaker 4: You can't touch the guy with the ball.

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Speaker 5: That's my problem.

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Speaker 2: That's that's because I mean, what's the difference between when

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Speaker 5: Pick up a little back and throw them five.

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Speaker 4: The end exactly right.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, you know it's like and you're not allowed for example,

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Speaker 2: Yeah, you now swish it to the other side of

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Speaker 2: different if like you're in the open field and you're

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Speaker 2: but yet you're having a guy like kind of submarine

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Speaker 4: I'm like, you can't have it both ways. You got

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Speaker 4: to pick one or the other.

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Speaker 2: And I think if they tweak that rule to where, hey,

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Speaker 2: you cannot touch the runner, you can assist the linemen

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Speaker 2: that are in the ground.

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Speaker 4: If you're that guy.

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Speaker 2: Coming across in motion, you know, you give a push

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Speaker 2: that way, but don't touch the ball carrier.

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Speaker 4: I'd be a lot happy.

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Speaker 5: That's how I would tweak it. Yeah, we haven't want

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Speaker 2: I don't want to ban it out right, you know

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Speaker 2: what I'm saying, because you're gonna get into dive situations.

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Speaker 2: If there's a burden contact, cool, but not the premeditated content.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, and the assisting the ball carrier part bothers me

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Speaker 5: and we haven't seen it, fortunately, But I also think,

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Speaker 5: and I'm not an athlete, but I would not want

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Speaker 5: someone pushing me from behind. From an injury standpoint, I

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Speaker 5: feel like I can't protect myself when I'm all this

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Speaker 5: motion behind me, you know, like it's just taking those guys.

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Speaker 2: Dynasty Kansas City was trying to do right to submarine

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Speaker 2: the center as a center. I wouldn't want that because

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Speaker 2: I'm like, I got opposing forces and you know, Jason Kelsey, listen,

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Speaker 2: I get it shorter, you know, guy, but gam Jurgen's

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Speaker 2: a little bit taller.

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Speaker 4: I would be worried about my knees.

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Speaker 2: I'd be worried about they're coming in low and then

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Speaker 2: you got them pushing and they're gonna be high. So

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Speaker 2: now it's like, do I just fall over and just

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Speaker 2: lay on top of it because my legs have not

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Speaker 2: kicked out? Well, what if I kick Jalen Hurts in

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Speaker 2: the shin with my cleats and then I'm.

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Speaker 4: In trouble in those moments.

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Speaker 2: So yeah, it's it's a safety issue that they do

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Speaker 2: Nobody wants to see that. No, you don't want to

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Speaker 5: But so were right there, there's not a lot of

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Speaker 5: Yeah, oh that's coming.

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Speaker 4: They had to, they had to compromise it.

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Speaker 3: But the way the salary cap has gone up in yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 4: It's there.

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Speaker 3: The salary the last two years, the salary cap has

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Speaker 4: Right it is.

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Speaker 3: It's gone up over thirty million dollars in each of

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Speaker 5: It absolutely should. I mean when I came in, eighty million,

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Speaker 3: Now guys are getting eighty million.

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Speaker 4: They're getting it.

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Speaker 3: One guy in particular, we got eighty four million for

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Speaker 5: I'm like, this shows me the league's healthy. I mean

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Speaker 5: people have a problem with it. Wh I have a

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Speaker 4: The sales of teams, like every team is worth billions

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Speaker 5: That's the only way to judge the health of league

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Speaker 2: Yeah, when Washington went up for sale and they hit

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Speaker 5: They could have had the they have the worst business

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Speaker 5: was the best investment ever.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and then you saw the Celtics what they went

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Speaker 4: It's like, yeah, these teams.

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Speaker 5: Are only the only appreciating billions billions, right, I mean

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Speaker 4: Market, right, hedge, right exactly.

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Speaker 5: This is a loss situation.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, nobody, nobody loses money.

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Speaker 5: Ever, I can the sign in the ground like Washington

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Speaker 4: Still make a King's rant.

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Speaker 5: That's crazy. Leagu's healthy. It's all means.

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Speaker 2: Let's get to another break.

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Speaker 3: He is Matt Williamson, that is Max Starks and I

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Speaker 3: am Dale Lolly. We are here at the Breaker Breakers

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Speaker 3: Hotel slash resort.

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Speaker 4: Golf course, everything get away.

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Speaker 3: There's all kinds of stuff back there, and it's it's

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Speaker 3: And we are back. I am Dale Lolly, he is

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Speaker 3: Matt Williamson. We're here with Max Starks as well here

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Speaker 3: on the Drive in this special edition of The Drive,

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Speaker 3: a Sunday Drive. Who doesn't like to take a nice,

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Speaker 3: nice Sunday drive, afternoon Sunday drive. Maybe go get ice

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Speaker 3: cream or something, you know, a little family out.

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Speaker 4: Of Burger Fi.

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Speaker 2: You know, it's right down there on the Johont Trail.

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Speaker 2: There you go. So one of the things that happened

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Speaker 2: this Austume.

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Speaker 3: We were just talking about the salary cap going up

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Speaker 3: so much that I think it really affected free agency.

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Speaker 2: To the point where.

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Speaker 3: We saw, like I thought Dan Moore would get a

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Speaker 3: nice contract in free agency. I thought, I'm thinking like fifteen.

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Speaker 4: Mil per year. Yeah, yeah, you end up.

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Speaker 3: Getting over twenty because the cap went.

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Speaker 4: Up so exponentially.

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Speaker 3: More more so than I think people recognized. And it

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Speaker 3: in the last two years, and so you got to

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Speaker 3: spend your money, yeah, because you have to have a

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Speaker 3: ninety percent cap spin right right right.

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Speaker 4: Yeah. The Patriots, for example, they.

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Speaker 5: Don't have anybody they can give it to on their

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Speaker 4: They give.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, they end up giving you know, Stephan Digs, I

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Speaker 4: He is thirty years old, coming up with an ACL tear.

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Speaker 3: Like this isn't two, you know, twenty Stephan Digs. This

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Speaker 3: just think the stuff got inflated a little bit higher

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Speaker 3: they're not gonna go above that set price.

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Speaker 5: So and you can't forget the Metcalf.

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Speaker 3: I mean they got met they got DK Metcalf.

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Speaker 5: Ever, like they did they were low spenders in free agency,

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Speaker 4: I found the got to pay.

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Speaker 4: Nor did they acquire DK Metcalf.

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Speaker 5: Wattch no, right, right right. They're gonna have a hard

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Speaker 5: Yeah, exactly to me, because.

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Speaker 4: And I mean you let you let bar Barmore walk, right.

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Speaker 5: No, he's he's fighting a blood clotch situation.

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Speaker 5: Right, I mean there's guys who can't pay and.

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Speaker 3: You you got to spend it a ninety you know,

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Speaker 2: Over.

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Speaker 5: Because if I've got a ton of money, which every

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Speaker 5: But think of the extensions we saw. We saw Stingley,

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Speaker 4: And that's why they were able to, you know, since

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Speaker 5: Yeah right, right right. They were probably thrilled the cap ony.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, they were like, hey, listen, we got this

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Speaker 4: We still got it.

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Speaker 4: Listen to how many guys the Patriots added.

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Speaker 2: Oh I know, Harold Landry, the third you paid him.

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Speaker 4: They added something and they're still.

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Speaker 5: They still by far more to spend the name, still have.

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Speaker 3: That overpaid like Roberts. Robert Splaine is getting damn near

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Speaker 4: There's a reason why he's not here. Patrick Queen is.

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Speaker 2: compare apples to apples. We're not in We are a kumpquat.

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00:18:05,920 --> 00:18:07,960
Speaker 4: Don't compare me to you know what I'm saying.

448
00:18:08,000 --> 00:18:10,320
Speaker 2: In this type of situation, as a team that also

449
00:18:10,320 --> 00:18:13,680
Speaker 2: has been to the playoffs, what other playoff team spent

450
00:18:13,800 --> 00:18:14,840
Speaker 2: a lot?

451
00:18:15,160 --> 00:18:16,520
Speaker 5: Not a lot, no, not a lot of zero.

452
00:18:16,760 --> 00:18:19,280
Speaker 2: I think we've spent more, probably than most of the

453
00:18:19,320 --> 00:18:20,080
Speaker 2: other fourteen.

454
00:18:20,040 --> 00:18:22,080
Speaker 5: People aren't even kept Stanley and that was it.

455
00:18:22,200 --> 00:18:26,600
Speaker 3: People aren't factoring the dk Metcalf thing into free agency

456
00:18:26,600 --> 00:18:28,679
Speaker 3: when they really should, because if there's a quarterback, if

457
00:18:28,720 --> 00:18:32,480
Speaker 3: TK Metcalf had been on the open market, oh, he

458
00:18:32,800 --> 00:18:36,320
Speaker 3: is worth more than T Higgins. He's higher. This would

459
00:18:36,320 --> 00:18:38,240
Speaker 3: have been right below j mar Chase. He's been a

460
00:18:38,280 --> 00:18:40,840
Speaker 3: better player in his career than T Higgins.

461
00:18:40,359 --> 00:18:42,920
Speaker 5: His contract could be way higher than one the Steeler game.

462
00:18:43,400 --> 00:18:44,760
Speaker 5: If he was on the open warning, what would the

463
00:18:44,800 --> 00:18:47,480
Speaker 5: Patriots have given dk Metcalf in the market. He would

464
00:18:47,520 --> 00:18:49,160
Speaker 5: have been the highest FAE receiver in the league because

465
00:18:49,160 --> 00:18:51,760
Speaker 5: they can't spend it anywhere else. So the other thing

466
00:18:51,760 --> 00:18:56,879
Speaker 5: people don't factor in with these contracts is true UFAs

467
00:18:56,920 --> 00:18:59,760
Speaker 5: that signed a new deal. How often do they see

468
00:18:59,800 --> 00:19:02,600
Speaker 5: every dollar that you know?

469
00:19:03,040 --> 00:19:07,040
Speaker 2: Never never close to those No, and they're backloading the

470
00:19:07,119 --> 00:19:10,080
Speaker 2: back deals anyway, right right, they're just looking at how

471
00:19:10,119 --> 00:19:11,439
Speaker 2: to how to spread the cap hit.

472
00:19:11,560 --> 00:19:13,560
Speaker 5: All these dudes get cut and then you pick them

473
00:19:13,640 --> 00:19:15,000
Speaker 5: up and they don't hurt your camp game, you know.

474
00:19:15,080 --> 00:19:16,160
Speaker 5: But right, we got a one.

475
00:19:16,040 --> 00:19:18,320
Speaker 3: Hundred and forty million dollars over four years. We ain't

476
00:19:18,320 --> 00:19:20,520
Speaker 3: never seen one hundred and forty million dollars, right, No,

477
00:19:20,800 --> 00:19:21,119
Speaker 3: that's all.

478
00:19:21,200 --> 00:19:22,639
Speaker 4: That's all. So he can go into the locker room

479
00:19:22,680 --> 00:19:24,840
Speaker 4: and tell his buddies. They look at the contract, agg

480
00:19:25,920 --> 00:19:28,080
Speaker 4: he puts it on the next kid.

481
00:19:27,960 --> 00:19:29,639
Speaker 3: Which is why you see on all the all the

482
00:19:29,640 --> 00:19:32,920
Speaker 3: inside or stuff contract negotiated by.

483
00:19:32,400 --> 00:19:34,760
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's that's only. That's the only pub for them. Yeah,

484
00:19:34,840 --> 00:19:37,320
Speaker 2: you know, and I think that's where people and you

485
00:19:37,359 --> 00:19:39,439
Speaker 2: can't get enamored with that. I think that's the biggest thing.

486
00:19:39,480 --> 00:19:42,360
Speaker 2: Don't get enamored with the number. Look at the quality

487
00:19:42,400 --> 00:19:44,880
Speaker 2: of what you're getting over the content. But like you said,

488
00:19:44,880 --> 00:19:47,280
Speaker 2: you do need to factor in traded players before you

489
00:19:47,359 --> 00:19:50,320
Speaker 2: get the free agency because those matter against that future

490
00:19:50,359 --> 00:19:50,920
Speaker 2: cap as well.

491
00:19:51,240 --> 00:19:53,600
Speaker 5: Speaking of which you know with Metcalf like, people don't

492
00:19:53,640 --> 00:19:56,760
Speaker 5: look at it this way, like I've gotten many people.

493
00:19:57,000 --> 00:19:59,879
Speaker 5: Thirty million is way too much for that guy. I'm like, okay,

494
00:20:00,040 --> 00:20:01,840
Speaker 5: you have that right to say that. Fine, But if

495
00:20:01,840 --> 00:20:03,800
Speaker 5: he was on the old market, he'd get more. But

496
00:20:03,920 --> 00:20:07,159
Speaker 5: the last contract he signed with Seattle, I don't know

497
00:20:07,160 --> 00:20:10,119
Speaker 5: what the numbers were, but it was a higher percentage

498
00:20:10,160 --> 00:20:13,840
Speaker 5: of the cap then than thirty million is now. It's

499
00:20:13,880 --> 00:20:16,800
Speaker 5: all relative. Look at percentage of cap, not how many

500
00:20:16,840 --> 00:20:20,320
Speaker 5: dollars actually, right, not pass value, right, because the cap

501
00:20:20,400 --> 00:20:21,320
Speaker 5: goes up the cap.

502
00:20:22,640 --> 00:20:25,760
Speaker 2: It's exponentially gone up, and you have no reason to

503
00:20:25,760 --> 00:20:27,760
Speaker 2: not believe that it won't go up another thirty million

504
00:20:27,800 --> 00:20:28,240
Speaker 2: next year.

505
00:20:28,320 --> 00:20:31,280
Speaker 3: If I was making thirty thousand dollars a year in

506
00:20:31,400 --> 00:20:34,040
Speaker 3: nineteen seventy nine, I was doing really good.

507
00:20:34,240 --> 00:20:34,440
Speaker 4: Right.

508
00:20:34,520 --> 00:20:36,840
Speaker 3: If I'm making thirty thousand dollars a year now, not

509
00:20:36,920 --> 00:20:37,320
Speaker 3: so much.

510
00:20:38,640 --> 00:20:42,520
Speaker 7: You're below the poverty yeah, right, the gallon mill doesn't change,

511
00:20:42,640 --> 00:20:47,000
Speaker 7: then start changing a dozen eggs, right, thirty grand would

512
00:20:47,040 --> 00:20:49,359
Speaker 7: get me a dozen It would get.

513
00:20:49,200 --> 00:20:53,399
Speaker 5: Me If people don't look at the salary cap stuff,

514
00:20:53,400 --> 00:20:55,920
Speaker 5: and in the right manner, you know they don't.

515
00:20:55,960 --> 00:20:57,240
Speaker 2: And then you have to also look at what that

516
00:20:57,320 --> 00:21:00,000
Speaker 2: future impact is, you know as well, And that's why

517
00:21:00,200 --> 00:21:02,280
Speaker 2: you look at longer deals because you need to spread

518
00:21:02,280 --> 00:21:05,160
Speaker 2: out those hits and you plan for dead cap years

519
00:21:06,320 --> 00:21:07,480
Speaker 2: in those moments as well.

520
00:21:07,600 --> 00:21:09,920
Speaker 3: That's one of the things that didn't happen as much

521
00:21:10,000 --> 00:21:14,120
Speaker 3: this offseason. Back in your playing days, when a guy

522
00:21:14,240 --> 00:21:17,000
Speaker 3: signed a free agent contract, it was typically four years

523
00:21:17,080 --> 00:21:17,840
Speaker 3: or longer, four.

524
00:21:17,800 --> 00:21:20,879
Speaker 4: Or five years. And you saw it.

525
00:21:21,119 --> 00:21:23,879
Speaker 3: I looked it up like two weeks ago on a Wednesday, right,

526
00:21:23,880 --> 00:21:26,400
Speaker 3: we were a week into the free agent period. At

527
00:21:26,400 --> 00:21:29,080
Speaker 3: that point, there had been one five year deal signed,

528
00:21:30,000 --> 00:21:35,360
Speaker 3: seven four year deal signed, and over one hundred one

529
00:21:35,400 --> 00:21:36,360
Speaker 3: and two year deals.

530
00:21:36,160 --> 00:21:38,600
Speaker 2: Yeah, two years and below. Yeah, yeah, I mean, And

531
00:21:38,640 --> 00:21:41,200
Speaker 2: that's why when we saw like this freezing. I mean,

532
00:21:41,240 --> 00:21:43,639
Speaker 2: I think we had one hundred more transactions than we

533
00:21:43,680 --> 00:21:45,880
Speaker 2: did like a year before because of all.

534
00:21:45,800 --> 00:21:50,800
Speaker 4: Those deals and and teams were and guys were okay

535
00:21:50,840 --> 00:21:51,760
Speaker 4: with just one years.

536
00:21:51,760 --> 00:21:53,440
Speaker 2: Smart for the team. It's smart for.

537
00:21:53,400 --> 00:21:56,480
Speaker 3: The player because you know, if I'm not going to

538
00:21:56,520 --> 00:22:00,719
Speaker 3: get guaranteed money, yeah, all right, we're gonna go. I'll

539
00:22:00,760 --> 00:22:03,280
Speaker 3: go find a new deal next year. Okay, I'm gonna

540
00:22:03,280 --> 00:22:06,080
Speaker 3: get I'm gonna give six this year. Well, if I play. Well,

541
00:22:06,080 --> 00:22:08,240
Speaker 3: I'm betting on myself. I'll get eight next.

542
00:22:08,160 --> 00:22:11,480
Speaker 2: Year is that cap goes up, that maximum spending goes up,

543
00:22:11,760 --> 00:22:13,560
Speaker 2: and I know that it's all I have to do

544
00:22:13,600 --> 00:22:14,760
Speaker 2: is stay healthy and for the.

545
00:22:14,760 --> 00:22:16,960
Speaker 5: Team, if you have a bad year, if the cap

546
00:22:17,040 --> 00:22:19,560
Speaker 5: goes up, you still might get five as opposed to six.

547
00:22:19,640 --> 00:22:21,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, get six again.

548
00:22:21,280 --> 00:22:23,520
Speaker 5: You might six again, right because that six was like

549
00:22:23,600 --> 00:22:25,800
Speaker 5: last year's five exactly for the teams.

550
00:22:25,840 --> 00:22:28,280
Speaker 3: It makes sense because in the market, I can I

551
00:22:28,280 --> 00:22:31,480
Speaker 3: can test this guy out. If I like him, I

552
00:22:31,520 --> 00:22:34,240
Speaker 3: could sign him long term, or if he goes somewhere else,

553
00:22:34,280 --> 00:22:35,879
Speaker 3: I might get a call pick in return.

554
00:22:36,040 --> 00:22:38,560
Speaker 5: Plus, free agency happens before the draft, So you give

555
00:22:38,640 --> 00:22:40,840
Speaker 5: Slay a one year deal. But I can still draft

556
00:22:40,840 --> 00:22:43,200
Speaker 5: a corner, you know, that's on that I get for four,

557
00:22:43,680 --> 00:22:44,480
Speaker 5: or I don't draft a.

558
00:22:44,480 --> 00:22:46,320
Speaker 4: Corner and he can sit for a year and learn

559
00:22:46,359 --> 00:22:47,640
Speaker 4: and then he's ready year two.

560
00:22:47,800 --> 00:22:50,159
Speaker 5: Yeah, the place of Sleigh. I mean, if the right

561
00:22:50,160 --> 00:22:51,639
Speaker 5: guy's not there in the draft, you don't take him.

562
00:22:51,760 --> 00:22:54,720
Speaker 2: Yeah, you're And I think you know that's also how

563
00:22:54,760 --> 00:22:57,119
Speaker 2: the college game is looking at it, right, because I

564
00:22:57,119 --> 00:22:59,920
Speaker 2: mean there is this decision you know, coming coming down

565
00:23:00,000 --> 00:23:03,120
Speaker 2: in nanc double about the JUCO transfer rule. So if

566
00:23:03,200 --> 00:23:07,520
Speaker 2: JUCO doesn't count, why not take a more mature JUCO

567
00:23:07,560 --> 00:23:10,200
Speaker 2: guy has played two years post high school, and now

568
00:23:10,240 --> 00:23:12,600
Speaker 2: I get a more mature freshman that I get in here.

569
00:23:12,920 --> 00:23:15,320
Speaker 2: Same type of concept that you're working here is if

570
00:23:15,359 --> 00:23:16,679
Speaker 2: I can, if I can put him behind a guy

571
00:23:16,680 --> 00:23:18,119
Speaker 2: because he only has a one year deal and then

572
00:23:18,119 --> 00:23:21,119
Speaker 2: now he's ready to play year two, I've done my

573
00:23:21,240 --> 00:23:22,080
Speaker 2: job a little bit better.

574
00:23:22,600 --> 00:23:25,680
Speaker 5: Rule change that they're proposing that JUCO is just an

575
00:23:25,680 --> 00:23:27,360
Speaker 5: extension of high school basically.

576
00:23:27,880 --> 00:23:29,800
Speaker 4: Account against your collegiate eligibility.

577
00:23:29,840 --> 00:23:32,800
Speaker 5: Okay, Yeah, so it's interesting that used to be there.

578
00:23:33,040 --> 00:23:34,840
Speaker 2: The post prep schools.

579
00:23:34,359 --> 00:23:34,720
Speaker 4: Were that.

580
00:23:37,119 --> 00:23:39,159
Speaker 2: You go to thirteenth grade, as I like to call it,

581
00:23:40,000 --> 00:23:42,560
Speaker 2: you go to two military schools that are in Virginia

582
00:23:42,640 --> 00:23:43,960
Speaker 2: you go to the one in Maine, or you go

583
00:23:44,000 --> 00:23:47,960
Speaker 2: to the one and in Georgia you go there, or

584
00:23:48,040 --> 00:23:49,320
Speaker 2: you got right, there's like two or three of them.

585
00:23:49,560 --> 00:23:52,119
Speaker 2: Or you go to Oak Hill for basketball was the

586
00:23:52,160 --> 00:23:53,920
Speaker 2: famous place for that. You go for one and then boom,

587
00:23:53,960 --> 00:23:55,440
Speaker 2: now you jump into college you're one year older.

588
00:23:55,560 --> 00:23:58,440
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's what we do with Larry, and I think

589
00:23:58,520 --> 00:24:01,600
Speaker 3: some of that may be trickling down to the nil stuff.

590
00:24:01,640 --> 00:24:04,280
Speaker 3: I think, not not the payment of it, but the

591
00:24:04,320 --> 00:24:07,400
Speaker 3: idea that hey, guys are guys are moving around, Guys

592
00:24:07,440 --> 00:24:10,480
Speaker 3: are going to three or four different colleges. So why

593
00:24:10,480 --> 00:24:13,240
Speaker 3: do we think they can't come in and learn a

594
00:24:13,280 --> 00:24:15,640
Speaker 3: new system with us in a year because they're doing

595
00:24:15,680 --> 00:24:16,200
Speaker 3: it in college.

596
00:24:16,320 --> 00:24:18,720
Speaker 5: Tyler Schuck's been with three schools and has four degrees.

597
00:24:20,080 --> 00:24:21,880
Speaker 5: I think he'll be able to learn the offense when

598
00:24:21,920 --> 00:24:23,080
Speaker 5: he gets here a twenty six.

599
00:24:23,080 --> 00:24:24,600
Speaker 4: Year old or wherever you know exactly.

600
00:24:25,160 --> 00:24:29,679
Speaker 2: He's Dylan Gabriel another multiple times, and cam Ward has

601
00:24:29,680 --> 00:24:32,480
Speaker 2: been in three different schools like this, they this happens, and.

602
00:24:32,480 --> 00:24:35,200
Speaker 3: They're this is the reality, right, this is the new

603
00:24:35,240 --> 00:24:36,119
Speaker 3: reality that we're used to.

604
00:24:36,200 --> 00:24:38,119
Speaker 2: You're not gonna hear a guy You're like, hey, you

605
00:24:38,160 --> 00:24:40,920
Speaker 2: know hi, Max Stark's University of flo You're not gonna

606
00:24:40,920 --> 00:24:44,120
Speaker 2: hear that you're here, cam Ward Louisville, Miami, blah blah

607
00:24:44,160 --> 00:24:44,960
Speaker 2: blah blah blah.

608
00:24:45,359 --> 00:24:46,879
Speaker 4: You're like three or four different schools. They might have

609
00:24:46,920 --> 00:24:48,480
Speaker 4: to change the what did I interest?

610
00:24:50,520 --> 00:24:55,320
Speaker 3: Yeah, or just saying most recently, there's that, Yeah, so's it's.

611
00:24:55,200 --> 00:24:56,960
Speaker 5: The wild West a little bit in miscouty world.

612
00:24:57,000 --> 00:24:59,919
Speaker 3: Yeah, it really is, and I just wonder, like, I know,

613
00:25:00,320 --> 00:25:04,320
Speaker 3: you know, when this first started happening, Kevin Colbert was like,

614
00:25:04,480 --> 00:25:06,520
Speaker 3: you know, I look at guys that transfer like that,

615
00:25:06,800 --> 00:25:09,960
Speaker 3: you know, a little differently than the guys who who

616
00:25:09,960 --> 00:25:12,640
Speaker 3: stayed with their programs. I think that mentality has changed

617
00:25:12,680 --> 00:25:15,439
Speaker 3: over these and even Kevin's mentality on that changed over these.

618
00:25:15,359 --> 00:25:16,240
Speaker 2: Because now.

619
00:25:17,520 --> 00:25:20,200
Speaker 3: The number of guys who actually stayed with their school

620
00:25:20,920 --> 00:25:23,320
Speaker 3: is far less than it used to be. The you know,

621
00:25:23,359 --> 00:25:25,640
Speaker 3: the outlier used to be the guy who transferred three times.

622
00:25:25,720 --> 00:25:28,000
Speaker 3: Now the outlier is the guy who stays with one school. Yeah,

623
00:25:28,040 --> 00:25:30,760
Speaker 3: you're like, wait a second, you can't learn, or it's

624
00:25:30,800 --> 00:25:33,119
Speaker 3: like are they compensating. Some guys are like, you know,

625
00:25:33,200 --> 00:25:37,879
Speaker 3: Mason McCormick is like, no, I started here.

626
00:25:36,640 --> 00:25:37,400
Speaker 2: I want to finish here.

627
00:25:37,440 --> 00:25:39,320
Speaker 3: These are the people who got me, you know, at

628
00:25:39,359 --> 00:25:41,320
Speaker 3: the beginning, and they put a lot of effort. Betime,

629
00:25:42,280 --> 00:25:44,240
Speaker 3: he's getting calls from other teams. He could have made

630
00:25:44,280 --> 00:25:47,520
Speaker 3: more money, you know that. The Toledo corner was another one.

631
00:25:47,600 --> 00:25:48,920
Speaker 3: Last year he stayed at Toledo.

632
00:25:49,200 --> 00:25:52,960
Speaker 5: Yeah, I'm sure Alexander got offered from Yeah, right, I.

633
00:25:52,920 --> 00:25:54,720
Speaker 2: Think you kind of look at it and like you said,

634
00:25:54,920 --> 00:25:58,320
Speaker 2: and I think those type of you know, GM types

635
00:25:58,760 --> 00:26:01,080
Speaker 2: and personnel guy is a college kind of court. I

636
00:26:01,080 --> 00:26:02,800
Speaker 2: think you you kind of you have to evolve with

637
00:26:02,840 --> 00:26:04,560
Speaker 2: this because if you don't, I don't think you have

638
00:26:04,600 --> 00:26:07,280
Speaker 2: a job long term. Because that's just the way that

639
00:26:07,320 --> 00:26:09,800
Speaker 2: this this game has just a reality and it's the reality.

640
00:26:09,840 --> 00:26:11,320
Speaker 2: And I think that's why, you know, you have to

641
00:26:11,320 --> 00:26:14,800
Speaker 2: have a guy like Kevin Colbert agree to agree to Hey,

642
00:26:14,960 --> 00:26:17,840
Speaker 2: this is this is a lot different than we anticipated, guys,

643
00:26:18,000 --> 00:26:20,239
Speaker 2: so let's just kind of grow with the times and

644
00:26:20,280 --> 00:26:22,360
Speaker 2: the ones that don't, especially like coaches. I mean, that's

645
00:26:22,359 --> 00:26:24,840
Speaker 2: why you saw Saban get out of the game, you know,

646
00:26:25,000 --> 00:26:29,960
Speaker 2: and said I can't deal with guys, and then having

647
00:26:30,000 --> 00:26:32,080
Speaker 2: to bring in new guys. And I'm surprised as the

648
00:26:32,080 --> 00:26:34,200
Speaker 2: heck that Bill Belichick wanted to go to North Carolina

649
00:26:34,200 --> 00:26:35,840
Speaker 2: and deal with that, right, But.

650
00:26:35,880 --> 00:26:37,680
Speaker 3: The first thing he did is hire as a GM

651
00:26:37,760 --> 00:26:40,480
Speaker 3: to handle that all that stuff because it's more like

652
00:26:40,520 --> 00:26:41,600
Speaker 3: the professional game now.

653
00:26:41,760 --> 00:26:43,240
Speaker 2: It is it is, I mean, and more and more

654
00:26:43,280 --> 00:26:45,560
Speaker 2: guys are getting picked up. I think Andrew Hawkins is

655
00:26:45,640 --> 00:26:47,879
Speaker 2: actually at Toledo. I think that's where he took the

656
00:26:48,000 --> 00:26:51,000
Speaker 2: job as their GM, and you see Kevin Colbert doing

657
00:26:51,000 --> 00:26:53,439
Speaker 2: the job at Colorado State, like they're now going and

658
00:26:53,440 --> 00:26:56,240
Speaker 2: finding guys, Hey, are you experienced for you know, personnel

659
00:26:56,280 --> 00:26:58,160
Speaker 2: guys from the NFL league. You're now finding a job

660
00:26:58,200 --> 00:27:00,720
Speaker 2: in college now because this manager it similarly.

661
00:27:00,760 --> 00:27:02,520
Speaker 4: Now you just need to manage.

662
00:27:02,400 --> 00:27:04,640
Speaker 2: Being able to keep guys a little bit longer, tie

663
00:27:04,680 --> 00:27:07,280
Speaker 2: them in a little bit more. But that's where this

664
00:27:07,359 --> 00:27:10,320
Speaker 2: game is growing too, to where we're literally seeing a

665
00:27:10,359 --> 00:27:13,600
Speaker 2: semi professional league growing right underneath us.

666
00:27:13,640 --> 00:27:16,800
Speaker 3: At this homegrown level, it really has become a college

667
00:27:16,800 --> 00:27:18,560
Speaker 3: football has become a minor.

668
00:27:18,400 --> 00:27:21,720
Speaker 2: League, and they play sixteen games in full and if

669
00:27:21,760 --> 00:27:23,560
Speaker 2: you go to the championship, you're playing sixteen games.

670
00:27:23,600 --> 00:27:26,639
Speaker 5: Yeah, it's like the week before the Senior Bowl. Yeah.

671
00:27:27,080 --> 00:27:29,040
Speaker 4: Yeah, this guy's playing nat Championshi. Yeah, he'll be ready

672
00:27:29,040 --> 00:27:30,840
Speaker 4: for the Senior Bowl. This is another week of Rinder.

673
00:27:31,000 --> 00:27:33,200
Speaker 5: Howard didn't look great throwing at the combine and he's

674
00:27:33,200 --> 00:27:36,760
Speaker 5: played sixteen games. He's tired, he's tired, all beat up.

675
00:27:36,880 --> 00:27:39,199
Speaker 3: The other trickle down effect that has happened from this

676
00:27:39,359 --> 00:27:41,040
Speaker 3: max Is and Matt and I.

677
00:27:40,920 --> 00:27:42,119
Speaker 2: Have talked about this a lot.

678
00:27:42,760 --> 00:27:47,200
Speaker 3: People assume that, well, next year's quarterback draft class is

679
00:27:47,200 --> 00:27:47,800
Speaker 3: going to be great.

680
00:27:48,520 --> 00:27:49,560
Speaker 2: You can't assume that.

681
00:27:49,600 --> 00:27:52,240
Speaker 3: You can't assume that an underclashman is going to enter

682
00:27:52,280 --> 00:27:53,960
Speaker 3: the draft anymore.

683
00:27:53,720 --> 00:27:56,960
Speaker 5: Because we talked about him all the time, is going

684
00:27:56,960 --> 00:27:59,280
Speaker 5: to be yours. Yours should have done the same thing.

685
00:27:59,359 --> 00:28:00,560
Speaker 4: You should totally.

686
00:28:00,800 --> 00:28:02,680
Speaker 2: He could have went to Georgia and probably probably made

687
00:28:02,680 --> 00:28:05,199
Speaker 2: about three million, right easy, But he's going in.

688
00:28:05,240 --> 00:28:08,400
Speaker 4: But Carson Beck stays and gets four million at Miami. Yeah,

689
00:28:08,520 --> 00:28:09,840
Speaker 4: guess what the rookie ways skill.

690
00:28:10,160 --> 00:28:12,520
Speaker 2: You're gonna be in a top twenty five pick with that,

691
00:28:12,640 --> 00:28:15,360
Speaker 2: with that salary, and you don't get the scrutiny.

692
00:28:15,280 --> 00:28:18,240
Speaker 5: Right, take ballroom dancing at Miami and have a.

693
00:28:18,240 --> 00:28:22,600
Speaker 4: Great now underwater basket weaving right right? Yeah, the art

694
00:28:22,640 --> 00:28:24,640
Speaker 4: of sleep, I don't know, whatever, whatever you want.

695
00:28:25,680 --> 00:28:29,479
Speaker 3: Because you coach football coaching, you know, yeah, basketball coaching,

696
00:28:29,560 --> 00:28:30,119
Speaker 3: all that stuff.

697
00:28:30,119 --> 00:28:32,200
Speaker 2: You can take it all exactly and you get to

698
00:28:32,240 --> 00:28:34,359
Speaker 2: be the big man on campus and you get to

699
00:28:34,359 --> 00:28:37,920
Speaker 2: live off campus right wherever you want? An il deal

700
00:28:38,160 --> 00:28:39,960
Speaker 2: from that. Yeah, yeah, I'm going to stay in this

701
00:28:40,040 --> 00:28:43,080
Speaker 2: you know, this condo penthouse. Caleb Williams, right, had a

702
00:28:43,120 --> 00:28:45,760
Speaker 2: penthouse in downtown lah You know.

703
00:28:45,920 --> 00:28:48,160
Speaker 5: A couple of weeks a couple of Carson Beck had

704
00:28:48,160 --> 00:28:52,440
Speaker 5: a Lamborghini and Mercedes stolen on the same ball and

705
00:28:52,560 --> 00:28:54,760
Speaker 5: did not bad night, right, Like I lost one with

706
00:28:54,840 --> 00:28:57,640
Speaker 5: Lamberg and he's a college star. It's not a bad life.

707
00:28:57,880 --> 00:29:00,280
Speaker 4: No, that's that's it's way different than our colle is like.

708
00:29:00,920 --> 00:29:03,200
Speaker 3: And I think what we've seen as well in recent

709
00:29:03,280 --> 00:29:07,040
Speaker 3: years is that the quarterbacks who come out who have

710
00:29:07,320 --> 00:29:11,280
Speaker 3: more collegiate experience are better prepared to play in the

711
00:29:11,360 --> 00:29:13,560
Speaker 3: NFL because they've had more starting experience.

712
00:29:13,600 --> 00:29:16,080
Speaker 5: Oh next, Jayden and Daniels. I mean these guys were yeah.

713
00:29:15,880 --> 00:29:18,120
Speaker 4: They played, and they moved on from different schools.

714
00:29:18,120 --> 00:29:21,440
Speaker 2: Even Joe Burrow was a guy they that has had

715
00:29:21,480 --> 00:29:23,640
Speaker 2: a lot more experience. And I think that's what you

716
00:29:23,680 --> 00:29:26,440
Speaker 2: want to see because the era, the air and time

717
00:29:26,520 --> 00:29:29,000
Speaker 2: of like the Mitch Trubiskys of the world, the same

718
00:29:29,080 --> 00:29:32,000
Speaker 2: how the ones that play like one year right there,

719
00:29:32,040 --> 00:29:34,680
Speaker 2: one year that's gone because they're saying, why didn't you

720
00:29:34,720 --> 00:29:37,160
Speaker 2: transfer and why does your tape look like this? You

721
00:29:37,280 --> 00:29:38,440
Speaker 2: still only won six games?

722
00:29:38,640 --> 00:29:43,120
Speaker 3: Yeah, you know, you only started thirteen games in your career,

723
00:29:43,240 --> 00:29:46,040
Speaker 3: Like you could have stayed another year and got another Yeah.

724
00:29:46,080 --> 00:29:48,840
Speaker 3: Another Trey Lance is a perfect example of that like

725
00:29:48,920 --> 00:29:50,840
Speaker 3: when he was coming out, he'd thrown like two hundred

726
00:29:50,840 --> 00:29:51,640
Speaker 3: and twenty passes.

727
00:29:51,760 --> 00:29:55,120
Speaker 4: Yeah, he only had one game COVID year.

728
00:29:55,320 --> 00:29:57,200
Speaker 5: Now he's in the CFL, Yeah, exactly.

729
00:29:57,320 --> 00:29:59,240
Speaker 2: Now now he's gone, and I think those so those

730
00:29:59,240 --> 00:30:01,960
Speaker 2: are gonna be especially at quarterback. I think offensive line

731
00:30:01,960 --> 00:30:04,719
Speaker 2: we're still going through that. Sure, Marius Meim's only had

732
00:30:04,760 --> 00:30:07,000
Speaker 2: sixteen stars Proger get there, and they still.

733
00:30:06,840 --> 00:30:09,800
Speaker 3: Got drafted in the first round because there's there's I

734
00:30:09,880 --> 00:30:11,560
Speaker 3: mean just the planet theory. There are only so many

735
00:30:11,560 --> 00:30:13,040
Speaker 3: guys on the planet who are that big in that

736
00:30:13,080 --> 00:30:13,880
Speaker 3: athletic and that's.

737
00:30:13,720 --> 00:30:16,480
Speaker 5: What sim shouldn't have transferred from Georgia to Akron.

738
00:30:16,720 --> 00:30:20,200
Speaker 2: No, we want to see you get more pt but right,

739
00:30:20,320 --> 00:30:22,719
Speaker 2: and I think for them also for offensive linemen, they

740
00:30:22,800 --> 00:30:25,719
Speaker 2: mature later in the league. Like your lineman hit their

741
00:30:25,760 --> 00:30:28,240
Speaker 2: stride year four, year five, year six in the league.

742
00:30:28,440 --> 00:30:30,040
Speaker 2: That's what they're at their best. You're not expecting them

743
00:30:30,080 --> 00:30:33,360
Speaker 2: to be year one. Joe Thomas start the game, Jake

744
00:30:33,440 --> 00:30:36,400
Speaker 2: Long right, like, we don't need that anymore. We need

745
00:30:36,400 --> 00:30:38,080
Speaker 2: you to be on the long haul because we need

746
00:30:38,120 --> 00:30:39,240
Speaker 2: you for ten years down the line.

747
00:30:39,240 --> 00:30:41,880
Speaker 5: And I urge people remember that with Roger Jones. Yeah,

748
00:30:41,920 --> 00:30:44,160
Speaker 5: I mean he has not hit his prime yet even close.

749
00:30:44,520 --> 00:30:48,120
Speaker 2: And listen, everybody wants everybody won't want to hear this.

750
00:30:48,960 --> 00:30:51,239
Speaker 2: He will be a lot better left town. He's you

751
00:30:51,280 --> 00:30:52,960
Speaker 2: can't judge him at left tackle.

752
00:30:53,000 --> 00:30:54,880
Speaker 4: How you did it right tackle? Just gonna I'm just

753
00:30:54,880 --> 00:30:56,720
Speaker 4: gonna finally home. He's home.

754
00:30:57,040 --> 00:31:00,880
Speaker 2: He's more natural there, and if he just does half

755
00:31:00,920 --> 00:31:03,640
Speaker 2: of the stuff that he did in college, he will

756
00:31:03,680 --> 00:31:04,680
Speaker 2: be fine at left tackle.

757
00:31:04,760 --> 00:31:06,160
Speaker 4: He bear with him.

758
00:31:06,160 --> 00:31:07,960
Speaker 2: He's going to struggle because he has not played a

759
00:31:08,000 --> 00:31:10,960
Speaker 2: lot of snaps there, But I guarantee you by mid

760
00:31:11,000 --> 00:31:13,560
Speaker 2: season will be like, man, why has it this been sooner?

761
00:31:13,640 --> 00:31:15,800
Speaker 2: Like he's going to fit in there. Nationally, he wasn't

762
00:31:15,840 --> 00:31:18,400
Speaker 2: good enough the last two years to beat out Dan Moore,

763
00:31:18,440 --> 00:31:21,520
Speaker 2: hence why he did not move and take Dan moore spot.

764
00:31:21,640 --> 00:31:24,720
Speaker 2: But now being here, knowing what the responsibility is, I

765
00:31:24,720 --> 00:31:25,520
Speaker 2: think he'll be fine.

766
00:31:25,600 --> 00:31:28,560
Speaker 3: And Dan Moore just got twenty million dollars a year.

767
00:31:28,960 --> 00:31:32,000
Speaker 3: People look at that, he's he's stinks. I'm like, no,

768
00:31:32,080 --> 00:31:35,880
Speaker 3: he's an average, But was out.

769
00:31:35,800 --> 00:31:38,280
Speaker 2: There right, he was the bell of the ball right

770
00:31:38,560 --> 00:31:40,120
Speaker 2: because there was nobody else available.

771
00:31:40,240 --> 00:31:41,520
Speaker 5: There's a massive shortage.

772
00:31:41,560 --> 00:31:43,800
Speaker 4: Yeah, there's a I mean Morgan Moses got paid.

773
00:31:44,040 --> 00:31:47,160
Speaker 3: If Ronnie Stanley had hit the open market, yeah, before

774
00:31:47,200 --> 00:31:49,480
Speaker 3: Baltimore paid him, he'd have gotten twenty five or thirty.

775
00:31:49,680 --> 00:31:51,760
Speaker 2: Yeah, he would have got way more. And then Dan

776
00:31:51,800 --> 00:31:53,280
Speaker 2: Stipe might have got still got twenty.

777
00:31:53,400 --> 00:31:53,600
Speaker 4: Yeah.

778
00:31:54,080 --> 00:31:56,520
Speaker 2: Here's the thing, because he's still in that top five

779
00:31:56,840 --> 00:32:00,240
Speaker 2: and he has not gotten injured, and he's played every game.

780
00:32:00,520 --> 00:32:04,800
Speaker 2: Do you understand what consistency and availability do for your value?

781
00:32:04,880 --> 00:32:08,120
Speaker 3: And this is not a great offensive tackle draft.

782
00:32:08,160 --> 00:32:08,560
Speaker 5: That's a thing.

783
00:32:08,640 --> 00:32:11,360
Speaker 3: Yeah, there are guys, they're guys to play offensive tackle

784
00:32:11,400 --> 00:32:13,160
Speaker 3: in college who well they might be.

785
00:32:13,240 --> 00:32:14,440
Speaker 4: They're not offensive tackles.

786
00:32:14,720 --> 00:32:16,280
Speaker 2: They might be guards, yes, you know.

787
00:32:16,360 --> 00:32:17,800
Speaker 3: And so you look at it and you go, Okay,

788
00:32:17,800 --> 00:32:19,840
Speaker 3: we can either try to get one of the four

789
00:32:19,960 --> 00:32:22,720
Speaker 3: true tackles that are in this draft, or we can

790
00:32:22,800 --> 00:32:23,640
Speaker 3: go sign Dan Moore.

791
00:32:23,840 --> 00:32:24,120
Speaker 4: Yeah.

792
00:32:24,160 --> 00:32:27,280
Speaker 2: And it's like if Dan Moore was a free agent

793
00:32:27,360 --> 00:32:29,240
Speaker 2: last year, would not it would not have worked out

794
00:32:29,240 --> 00:32:30,800
Speaker 2: that way. This year, he hit the market at the

795
00:32:30,840 --> 00:32:33,520
Speaker 2: right time and he and he capitalized on the market availability.

796
00:32:33,600 --> 00:32:34,920
Speaker 4: There's a scarcity, so to speak.

797
00:32:34,960 --> 00:32:37,720
Speaker 5: Every week three, there are gonna be sixty four offensive

798
00:32:37,720 --> 00:32:42,600
Speaker 5: tackles starting games. There's thirty good ones, there's fifteen I

799
00:32:42,640 --> 00:32:44,600
Speaker 5: can live with, and then the other guys, and you

800
00:32:44,640 --> 00:32:47,560
Speaker 5: just don't want to be the other guys.

801
00:32:46,880 --> 00:32:48,600
Speaker 4: Blindfold on and like, we'll go ahead, give me the

802
00:32:48,600 --> 00:32:49,560
Speaker 4: cigarette before shoot me.

803
00:32:49,760 --> 00:32:52,760
Speaker 5: Yeah, let alone when injury starts settling.

804
00:32:52,840 --> 00:32:54,360
Speaker 4: Yeah all right, yea yeah, I don't even talk about

805
00:32:56,440 --> 00:32:57,520
Speaker 4: Let's get to another break.

806
00:32:58,320 --> 00:33:00,800
Speaker 3: You are listening to the Drive here on the Steelers

807
00:33:00,880 --> 00:33:03,680
Speaker 3: Nation Radio on the Steelers Audio Network. I'm Dale Lolly

808
00:33:03,760 --> 00:33:06,560
Speaker 3: here with Max Starks and Matt Williams, and we are

809
00:33:06,640 --> 00:33:10,160
Speaker 3: live from the NFL meetings here in West Palm Beach

810
00:33:10,520 --> 00:33:12,040
Speaker 3: at the Breakers Hotel.

811
00:33:12,080 --> 00:33:14,080
Speaker 4: We'll be back with more right after this.

812
00:33:17,760 --> 00:33:21,080
Speaker 1: This is the Drive with Dale Lolly and Matt Williamson

813
00:33:21,480 --> 00:33:23,680
Speaker 1: on your twenty four to seven home of the Black

814
00:33:23,720 --> 00:33:28,160
Speaker 1: and Gold Steelers Nation Radio.

815
00:33:29,960 --> 00:33:31,000
Speaker 4: And we are back.

816
00:33:31,080 --> 00:33:34,479
Speaker 3: I'm Dale Lolly here with Matt Williamson at Max Starks.

817
00:33:34,520 --> 00:33:38,320
Speaker 3: We are here at the Breakers in West Palm Beach

818
00:33:38,320 --> 00:33:40,960
Speaker 3: where the league meetings are taking place, and.

819
00:33:41,080 --> 00:33:43,160
Speaker 2: Max had a sit down.

820
00:33:43,160 --> 00:33:45,720
Speaker 3: We had to sit down with Mike Tomlin as the

821
00:33:45,960 --> 00:33:49,400
Speaker 3: local media contingent, and Max also had a sit down

822
00:33:49,440 --> 00:33:52,160
Speaker 3: with Mike Tomlin that you can check out on Steelers

823
00:33:52,160 --> 00:33:55,480
Speaker 3: dot Com. I'll also have a story there later here

824
00:33:55,520 --> 00:33:58,440
Speaker 3: a little bit about what Mike Tomlin had to say

825
00:33:58,440 --> 00:33:59,520
Speaker 3: to the assembled media.

826
00:34:00,200 --> 00:34:03,280
Speaker 2: But Max, one of the things you asked Mike Tomlin about.

827
00:34:02,920 --> 00:34:07,280
Speaker 3: Was the international game, and it's it's the Steelers haven't

828
00:34:07,320 --> 00:34:11,960
Speaker 3: gone overseas since twenty and thirteen when they went to London. Yeah,

829
00:34:12,080 --> 00:34:15,279
Speaker 3: and that was a quick in and out this one

830
00:34:15,760 --> 00:34:19,480
Speaker 3: to Ireland that whatever point that they gets announced here

831
00:34:19,480 --> 00:34:23,480
Speaker 3: closer to the schedule announcement, Steeler's going to be the

832
00:34:23,520 --> 00:34:25,239
Speaker 3: home team for this one. And so there's a little

833
00:34:25,239 --> 00:34:26,040
Speaker 3: bit more involved.

834
00:34:26,440 --> 00:34:28,200
Speaker 2: Well, it's a lot more involved, and also I think

835
00:34:28,200 --> 00:34:30,719
Speaker 2: there's a lot more significance as far as the ownership

836
00:34:30,760 --> 00:34:33,960
Speaker 2: ties and the history with Ireland and what the late

837
00:34:34,040 --> 00:34:36,680
Speaker 2: Dan Rooney you know, really meant, I mean being an

838
00:34:36,719 --> 00:34:40,760
Speaker 2: ambassador to Ireland and pretty unique. Yeah, his his fight

839
00:34:41,000 --> 00:34:44,640
Speaker 2: for American football in Ireland. I mean, you think nineteen

840
00:34:44,680 --> 00:34:47,239
Speaker 2: ninety six go there for an exhibition game, that was

841
00:34:47,280 --> 00:34:51,280
Speaker 2: a huge milestone. But now getting a regular season counting

842
00:34:51,400 --> 00:34:54,879
Speaker 2: game in Ireland and the first one in history, the

843
00:34:54,920 --> 00:34:57,719
Speaker 2: first one, I think I think it's only appropriate that

844
00:34:57,800 --> 00:34:59,719
Speaker 2: you get that. I think, you know, when we're talking

845
00:34:59,719 --> 00:35:02,480
Speaker 2: about Dan Rooney up in heaven right now, smiling about that.

846
00:35:02,520 --> 00:35:04,080
Speaker 2: He's got to be smiling ear to ear because he

847
00:35:04,160 --> 00:35:07,080
Speaker 2: fought hard in his time there to get this and

848
00:35:07,120 --> 00:35:09,839
Speaker 2: now it's a reality. So you know, Mike Tomlin's really

849
00:35:09,920 --> 00:35:13,040
Speaker 2: really happy about going into that game, and you know,

850
00:35:13,120 --> 00:35:14,799
Speaker 2: he said, all I can think about is just how

851
00:35:14,840 --> 00:35:17,200
Speaker 2: proud Dan would be to see this game in Ireland.

852
00:35:17,400 --> 00:35:19,120
Speaker 4: And you know we talk about the fans.

853
00:35:19,120 --> 00:35:21,960
Speaker 2: I mean, you know Mike McDonald, you know, pounding the

854
00:35:21,960 --> 00:35:24,160
Speaker 2: dirt in the ground there locally, and you know we've

855
00:35:24,200 --> 00:35:27,040
Speaker 2: had him on our show and he's been a big

856
00:35:27,080 --> 00:35:27,960
Speaker 2: proponent of this.

857
00:35:28,360 --> 00:35:29,160
Speaker 4: So to get the.

858
00:35:29,080 --> 00:35:31,279
Speaker 2: Irish Board of Governors or I forgot whoever votes on

859
00:35:31,280 --> 00:35:34,400
Speaker 2: that their legislature to agree to that, and it's going

860
00:35:34,440 --> 00:35:35,680
Speaker 2: to be a croke Parker. I think it's going to

861
00:35:35,719 --> 00:35:37,480
Speaker 2: be a really fantastic thing. I think you expect to

862
00:35:37,520 --> 00:35:40,280
Speaker 2: see a little bit more involvement than it was in London,

863
00:35:40,400 --> 00:35:41,480
Speaker 2: you know twelve years ago.

864
00:35:41,560 --> 00:35:43,520
Speaker 3: Yeah, you were the visiting team. You just you know,

865
00:35:43,560 --> 00:35:45,040
Speaker 3: you were just taking part in that game.

866
00:35:45,120 --> 00:35:48,040
Speaker 2: We go on a Friday and we play that Sunday morning,

867
00:35:48,320 --> 00:35:51,840
Speaker 2: body clock Day and then you know, just ravage and

868
00:35:51,840 --> 00:35:52,680
Speaker 2: then fly back home.

869
00:35:52,719 --> 00:35:54,960
Speaker 4: I think this will be more you'll spend more.

870
00:35:54,800 --> 00:35:56,759
Speaker 2: Time there, and there's a lot more emphasis on this

871
00:35:56,800 --> 00:35:58,719
Speaker 2: because this is something they want to see be a

872
00:35:58,760 --> 00:36:00,759
Speaker 2: sustained thing, kind of like how Zilla is now is

873
00:36:00,800 --> 00:36:01,520
Speaker 2: going into year two.

874
00:36:01,560 --> 00:36:03,800
Speaker 4: You want to see that game grow in Europe.

875
00:36:04,000 --> 00:36:05,560
Speaker 5: And it's cool that these teams kind of have a

876
00:36:06,200 --> 00:36:08,719
Speaker 5: home field. Yeah, there's a right there.

877
00:36:08,760 --> 00:36:10,799
Speaker 2: There's a certain allegiance there because I mean, you know,

878
00:36:10,960 --> 00:36:12,759
Speaker 2: just even landing here at PBI, right, you know, you

879
00:36:12,840 --> 00:36:16,440
Speaker 2: see a Rooney's Irish public steers, you.

880
00:36:16,400 --> 00:36:19,239
Speaker 4: Were wondering like, hey, is that that yet? No, there's

881
00:36:19,280 --> 00:36:20,000
Speaker 4: an association.

882
00:36:20,239 --> 00:36:21,920
Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, yeah.

883
00:36:21,680 --> 00:36:22,320
Speaker 4: So it's awesome.

884
00:36:22,560 --> 00:36:24,920
Speaker 3: Yeah, absolutely, and so we'll see when that when that

885
00:36:24,960 --> 00:36:28,560
Speaker 3: game does get announced closer to the schedule, one of

886
00:36:28,719 --> 00:36:32,160
Speaker 3: seven games. Yeah, the league is playing internationally this year

887
00:36:32,400 --> 00:36:32,799
Speaker 3: the most.

888
00:36:33,480 --> 00:36:34,640
Speaker 4: Yeah, this is the most.

889
00:36:34,960 --> 00:36:37,400
Speaker 2: And you're thinking about two new markets with that, obviously

890
00:36:37,480 --> 00:36:40,520
Speaker 2: Dublin but then also Madrid, yeah being one. Dolphins I

891
00:36:40,520 --> 00:36:42,200
Speaker 2: believe are going to be the hosting so that one.

892
00:36:42,280 --> 00:36:45,560
Speaker 3: This is becoming more and more a part of what

893
00:36:45,640 --> 00:36:48,160
Speaker 3: to expect every year from the NFL. I mean, if

894
00:36:48,160 --> 00:36:50,799
Speaker 3: you're going to play seven, seven international games, that means

895
00:36:50,840 --> 00:36:53,480
Speaker 3: fourteen teams are going to be affected.

896
00:36:53,520 --> 00:36:55,280
Speaker 2: Now often the Jaguars do it twice.

897
00:36:55,560 --> 00:36:58,520
Speaker 3: Yeah, and it's only going to expand they're not going

898
00:36:58,600 --> 00:37:00,760
Speaker 3: to start scaling this back any time soon.

899
00:37:00,800 --> 00:37:03,040
Speaker 5: Especially if there's an eighteen game schedule with two buys too.

900
00:37:03,239 --> 00:37:04,319
Speaker 5: I mean, if that's the way it ends, will go,

901
00:37:04,320 --> 00:37:05,680
Speaker 5: and it'll be even easier to do it.

902
00:37:05,680 --> 00:37:07,799
Speaker 2: Yeah, because i mean think about this twenty twenty six.

903
00:37:08,080 --> 00:37:10,880
Speaker 2: You know the Rams are going to Melbourne, Australia, are

904
00:37:10,920 --> 00:37:13,520
Speaker 2: they Yeah, they're going. That was announced before the Ireland

905
00:37:13,600 --> 00:37:16,440
Speaker 2: So yeah, that eighteen game and wanting and putting that

906
00:37:16,520 --> 00:37:17,759
Speaker 2: on the back end of a buy, that's the only

907
00:37:17,760 --> 00:37:19,440
Speaker 2: thing that's going to help a team like the Rams,

908
00:37:19,480 --> 00:37:22,680
Speaker 2: even though they're geographically the closest, it's still you're going

909
00:37:22,719 --> 00:37:25,759
Speaker 2: across the timeline. You're you're crossing you're crossing a day line,

910
00:37:26,040 --> 00:37:28,000
Speaker 2: the international date line. You got to cross that, so

911
00:37:28,040 --> 00:37:30,399
Speaker 2: you're a day ahead of everybody, and then coming back

912
00:37:30,520 --> 00:37:33,239
Speaker 2: that's going to ravage your body as player, Yeah, no

913
00:37:33,320 --> 00:37:33,960
Speaker 2: doubt about it.

914
00:37:34,000 --> 00:37:37,960
Speaker 3: But certainly it offers unique experiences for the players. It

915
00:37:38,000 --> 00:37:40,360
Speaker 3: offers unique experiences for the fans if you want to

916
00:37:40,400 --> 00:37:43,120
Speaker 3: actually travel to that game and and you know, maybe

917
00:37:43,120 --> 00:37:46,239
Speaker 3: see somewhere that you had no intention of. Maybe you

918
00:37:46,440 --> 00:37:49,239
Speaker 3: always wanted to go, but now you have a reason.

919
00:37:48,960 --> 00:37:50,879
Speaker 2: To get an excuse if you're if you're a guy,

920
00:37:51,000 --> 00:37:53,200
Speaker 2: you know, just like Vegas, whenever team's playing, I gotta

921
00:37:53,239 --> 00:37:55,319
Speaker 2: go to Vegas, I gotta follow my teeth. Ah right, yeah,

922
00:37:55,320 --> 00:37:58,120
Speaker 2: you know this is just an even cooler expanded version.

923
00:37:58,200 --> 00:38:00,520
Speaker 5: Could you see twenty years from now a first round

924
00:38:00,600 --> 00:38:04,120
Speaker 5: pick from Dublin, you know, like Wemby from France. So

925
00:38:04,239 --> 00:38:06,560
Speaker 5: you know, like all these other sports, hockey, you know,

926
00:38:06,640 --> 00:38:07,000
Speaker 5: all over.

927
00:38:07,120 --> 00:38:08,960
Speaker 2: I think you have to play that into because as

928
00:38:09,040 --> 00:38:11,359
Speaker 2: that growth happens, right, there's more outreach there. I mean

929
00:38:11,400 --> 00:38:13,600
Speaker 2: I think about the IPP program that the NFL runs

930
00:38:13,680 --> 00:38:17,120
Speaker 2: right now. It's the International Player Portal Player Pathway Program.

931
00:38:17,400 --> 00:38:19,600
Speaker 2: And we have guys on teams now that once you

932
00:38:19,640 --> 00:38:22,040
Speaker 2: get into the IPP you're guaranteed on their roster for

933
00:38:22,040 --> 00:38:25,200
Speaker 2: two years. We got pass from Nigeria, from Germany, from

934
00:38:25,280 --> 00:38:27,640
Speaker 2: London that are on these rosters, and so I have

935
00:38:27,719 --> 00:38:29,719
Speaker 2: to think that that's the next growth. And I mean

936
00:38:29,760 --> 00:38:32,920
Speaker 2: look at this Jordan Mylotta, Yeah, yeah, he was a

937
00:38:32,920 --> 00:38:34,760
Speaker 2: part of the IPP from from New Zealand.

938
00:38:34,920 --> 00:38:37,759
Speaker 4: Yeah, dude, it never put on a football helmet, and

939
00:38:37,840 --> 00:38:38,279
Speaker 4: maybe if he.

940
00:38:38,239 --> 00:38:39,560
Speaker 5: Would, if he'd have been a first round pick from

941
00:38:39,600 --> 00:38:40,400
Speaker 5: New Zealand.

942
00:38:41,800 --> 00:38:49,240
Speaker 8: Right, Hia, right, yeah, New Zealand. Go Kiwi's I don't know. Obviously, Baseball, basketball, hockey,

943
00:38:49,440 --> 00:38:51,719
Speaker 8: everybody else has done it. Yeah, the first round is

944
00:38:51,880 --> 00:38:53,359
Speaker 8: half Americans. I didn't even know, right.

945
00:38:53,360 --> 00:38:55,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, Well the NBA especially, I mean you think

946
00:38:55,040 --> 00:38:56,600
Speaker 2: about the best players in the league right now, they're

947
00:38:56,600 --> 00:38:58,720
Speaker 2: not even really American born, like you have a couple,

948
00:38:58,800 --> 00:39:01,560
Speaker 2: but most of those guys, it's Europeans, the Luka Doncics

949
00:39:01,600 --> 00:39:03,319
Speaker 2: of the world that are coming in here.

950
00:39:03,400 --> 00:39:04,600
Speaker 4: Like you said, Victor Wimbin.

951
00:39:04,440 --> 00:39:06,560
Speaker 5: Yamba Joker and all these.

952
00:39:06,400 --> 00:39:09,200
Speaker 2: Guys are now because they developed those guys differently overseas,

953
00:39:09,239 --> 00:39:11,920
Speaker 2: because they don't have as much access to games.

954
00:39:11,760 --> 00:39:14,200
Speaker 4: That I believe. I believe that too.

955
00:39:14,200 --> 00:39:15,440
Speaker 2: I don't know if it be Ireland, they need to

956
00:39:15,440 --> 00:39:18,320
Speaker 2: grow a little bit taller, sure, but I mean, hey, Norway,

957
00:39:19,000 --> 00:39:22,000
Speaker 2: you know both big Norwegian dudes, Germans.

958
00:39:22,000 --> 00:39:24,239
Speaker 3: I mean, you know, very physically if you look at it,

959
00:39:24,239 --> 00:39:26,520
Speaker 3: there's a there's a reason why. You know, some of

960
00:39:26,520 --> 00:39:28,960
Speaker 3: the countries that have produced guys, you see a lot

961
00:39:28,960 --> 00:39:34,880
Speaker 3: of Nigerians. Yes, you see a lot of Tongans, you see.

962
00:39:35,040 --> 00:39:38,640
Speaker 2: I mean their body types are built built for contact,

963
00:39:39,880 --> 00:39:41,960
Speaker 2: built for contact. And I think you know when you

964
00:39:41,960 --> 00:39:43,760
Speaker 2: talk about that. And even we had we had Marvin

965
00:39:43,760 --> 00:39:46,600
Speaker 2: Allen on our squad from the international exemption list, played

966
00:39:46,600 --> 00:39:49,280
Speaker 2: wide receiver and now he's the head of the UK office,

967
00:39:49,600 --> 00:39:51,360
Speaker 2: you know, judging this town because he's done it and

968
00:39:51,440 --> 00:39:53,359
Speaker 2: been through it. So I think as as it gets

969
00:39:53,360 --> 00:39:56,120
Speaker 2: more sophisticated, as like you said, you get more exposure

970
00:39:56,120 --> 00:39:58,480
Speaker 2: of the American game in these countries, the more the

971
00:39:58,560 --> 00:40:01,280
Speaker 2: resources come there to where they can and actually trained

972
00:40:01,360 --> 00:40:03,839
Speaker 2: similar not the same, sure, right, because these guys are

973
00:40:03,840 --> 00:40:07,000
Speaker 2: now coming to America for college, you know, and getting

974
00:40:07,000 --> 00:40:10,040
Speaker 2: that americanism you know, to the football game. Now you

975
00:40:10,040 --> 00:40:12,040
Speaker 2: can start seeing it more homegrown and then coming over.

976
00:40:12,239 --> 00:40:14,680
Speaker 3: Yeah, and that's I mean honestly, you know, when you

977
00:40:14,719 --> 00:40:18,040
Speaker 3: get to the point where you do start having that

978
00:40:18,760 --> 00:40:21,640
Speaker 3: is when the game really takes off internationally. Yes, you

979
00:40:21,680 --> 00:40:24,160
Speaker 3: know you can think about a guy like example in

980
00:40:24,200 --> 00:40:29,239
Speaker 3: the NBA, Mao Yang Yeah dude, yeah, yeah, Open.

981
00:40:29,120 --> 00:40:31,839
Speaker 2: He was the big at that Open China for all

982
00:40:31,920 --> 00:40:34,640
Speaker 2: kinds of business, you know, And now that that's why

983
00:40:34,719 --> 00:40:37,000
Speaker 2: they do games over there. That's why they have, you know,

984
00:40:37,600 --> 00:40:39,800
Speaker 2: marquee moments that happened now all those countries.

985
00:40:39,880 --> 00:40:40,480
Speaker 4: I think the same thing.

986
00:40:40,520 --> 00:40:42,760
Speaker 2: Like for us, it was a long time feeder in Mexico,

987
00:40:43,280 --> 00:40:45,480
Speaker 2: you know, and obviously we'll get back to Mexico. But

988
00:40:45,760 --> 00:40:48,480
Speaker 2: because Mexico wasn't available, I think that forced us to

989
00:40:48,480 --> 00:40:50,880
Speaker 2: be more forward. Thing. That's what got us into Brazil

990
00:40:51,040 --> 00:40:55,000
Speaker 2: because stadium wasn't ready, Sal Paulo was and now we're

991
00:40:55,000 --> 00:40:57,040
Speaker 2: getting a second year in South Paulo, Brazil, where we

992
00:40:57,080 --> 00:40:59,560
Speaker 2: never had a footprint. So I think this is what

993
00:41:00,040 --> 00:41:02,000
Speaker 2: the game has aspired to. This is why Roger Goodell

994
00:41:02,080 --> 00:41:04,239
Speaker 2: resigned is because he knew he was going to grow

995
00:41:04,280 --> 00:41:06,759
Speaker 2: this game internationally. And now you see the emphasis and

996
00:41:06,840 --> 00:41:09,000
Speaker 2: the dollars. We don't have the World League anymore, right,

997
00:41:09,040 --> 00:41:10,600
Speaker 2: you could go put those guys and it was kind

998
00:41:10,640 --> 00:41:12,879
Speaker 2: of an exhibition for the kind of left. Now you're

999
00:41:12,880 --> 00:41:14,640
Speaker 2: sending more key guys over there to be the.

1000
00:41:14,600 --> 00:41:15,680
Speaker 4: Ambassadors for this game.

1001
00:41:15,800 --> 00:41:23,680
Speaker 3: Yeah, and uh, James Harrison would be happy about Yeah.

1002
00:41:22,719 --> 00:41:24,320
Speaker 4: He's like, why couldn't we do this regular season?

1003
00:41:25,080 --> 00:41:26,520
Speaker 2: It's like, no, you didn't want to play for what

1004
00:41:26,600 --> 00:41:27,600
Speaker 2: was this Spanish what was it?

1005
00:41:28,000 --> 00:41:28,400
Speaker 4: What was it?

1006
00:41:28,440 --> 00:41:30,560
Speaker 2: What was the team? And he was in Frankfurt. He

1007
00:41:30,600 --> 00:41:33,680
Speaker 2: was in Frankfurt the Galaxy and they won a championship

1008
00:41:33,719 --> 00:41:35,480
Speaker 2: I believe when he was there. So yeah, I think

1009
00:41:35,480 --> 00:41:36,960
Speaker 2: we've moved on from that.

1010
00:41:37,160 --> 00:41:40,160
Speaker 3: But it does, uh, you know, it just opens new doors,

1011
00:41:40,320 --> 00:41:46,040
Speaker 3: new avenues, creates more fans. And again you the NFL

1012
00:41:46,719 --> 00:41:51,440
Speaker 3: is America's game. Yes, we don't look at it the

1013
00:41:51,480 --> 00:41:54,960
Speaker 3: same way as they look at like soccer or in

1014
00:41:55,320 --> 00:41:59,160
Speaker 3: the case of you know, Gaelic soccer for Gaelic football

1015
00:41:59,200 --> 00:42:01,800
Speaker 3: in Ireland, and it just looked at differently.

1016
00:42:01,880 --> 00:42:03,000
Speaker 2: Well, that's that's how.

1017
00:42:02,880 --> 00:42:05,680
Speaker 3: We look at football here exactly, you know. And so

1018
00:42:05,760 --> 00:42:09,759
Speaker 3: you you want to help people understand they just don't

1019
00:42:09,840 --> 00:42:12,320
Speaker 3: know that. They don't understand the game to the level

1020
00:42:12,800 --> 00:42:13,959
Speaker 3: they haven't grown up with.

1021
00:42:13,880 --> 00:42:15,840
Speaker 2: It to the level that that that people have they

1022
00:42:16,080 --> 00:42:16,760
Speaker 2: know the nuance.

1023
00:42:17,120 --> 00:42:21,720
Speaker 3: But fifty years ago football wasn't the number one sport.

1024
00:42:21,760 --> 00:42:24,720
Speaker 3: It was baseball, yes, and and but it's taken off

1025
00:42:25,120 --> 00:42:27,960
Speaker 3: because everybody's you know, so you want to just create

1026
00:42:28,040 --> 00:42:32,600
Speaker 3: that everywhere it is. It's a great game, it really is.

1027
00:42:32,719 --> 00:42:33,319
Speaker 4: And the more.

1028
00:42:33,239 --> 00:42:35,680
Speaker 2: Exposure you get, like you said, because also time zones

1029
00:42:35,760 --> 00:42:37,480
Speaker 2: you have to think our games are played.

1030
00:42:37,800 --> 00:42:40,560
Speaker 4: Way later, Yeah, because we're further west.

1031
00:42:40,640 --> 00:42:42,080
Speaker 2: I know, I know, we don't like to think of

1032
00:42:42,120 --> 00:42:45,160
Speaker 2: ourselves as true, but we're western by at least four

1033
00:42:45,160 --> 00:42:48,920
Speaker 2: hours before the most westernmost European country, right, There's a

1034
00:42:48,960 --> 00:42:50,839
Speaker 2: lot of time zones in between. So you know, you

1035
00:42:50,880 --> 00:42:53,440
Speaker 2: have Michael McDonald and those guys in Ireland watching it

1036
00:42:53,440 --> 00:42:54,600
Speaker 2: as at four am in the morning.

1037
00:42:54,680 --> 00:42:55,359
Speaker 5: Yeah, like you.

1038
00:42:55,320 --> 00:42:57,400
Speaker 4: Put it on the dedication, that's dedication.

1039
00:42:58,320 --> 00:42:59,799
Speaker 2: Yeah. And then you have our our men and women

1040
00:42:59,840 --> 00:43:01,799
Speaker 2: of the ur Enforces getting up in the middle of night.

1041
00:43:01,760 --> 00:43:05,399
Speaker 3: To watch Germany, you know, Shaudi Arabia, wherever they're at.

1042
00:43:05,440 --> 00:43:07,400
Speaker 2: I mean even when I was in Afghanistan, right, I

1043
00:43:07,400 --> 00:43:09,680
Speaker 2: mean the patent was it Like They're getting up the

1044
00:43:09,719 --> 00:43:11,719
Speaker 2: middle of the night to watch these games. And I

1045
00:43:11,719 --> 00:43:14,080
Speaker 2: think the more you bring that game closer to them

1046
00:43:14,080 --> 00:43:15,919
Speaker 2: and you get it in their time zone, the.

1047
00:43:15,880 --> 00:43:17,640
Speaker 3: More attachment you're going to build with the game.

1048
00:43:17,719 --> 00:43:19,040
Speaker 4: Yeah, no, no doubt about it.

1049
00:43:19,120 --> 00:43:22,200
Speaker 3: And again it's a great game, it's a great sport.

1050
00:43:22,680 --> 00:43:26,040
Speaker 3: It's why we do what we do because the fans

1051
00:43:26,080 --> 00:43:29,719
Speaker 3: support here just screams for it. Yeah, you know, so

1052
00:43:29,960 --> 00:43:33,640
Speaker 3: you do want to continue to grow the game. You know,

1053
00:43:33,920 --> 00:43:36,800
Speaker 3: could it be bigger in the United States? I guess,

1054
00:43:37,280 --> 00:43:39,319
Speaker 3: but I don't know how. I mean, it's hard to

1055
00:43:39,360 --> 00:43:41,359
Speaker 3: imagine that it could that. You know, it could get

1056
00:43:41,440 --> 00:43:41,960
Speaker 3: much bigger.

1057
00:43:42,400 --> 00:43:44,759
Speaker 2: And where can you expand in the US that it

1058
00:43:44,840 --> 00:43:48,560
Speaker 2: doesn't already touch, right, you know, and have that viability.

1059
00:43:48,600 --> 00:43:50,719
Speaker 2: I think that's why you have to go internationally. That's

1060
00:43:50,719 --> 00:43:52,400
Speaker 2: why we're talking about, Hey, what if we did a

1061
00:43:52,440 --> 00:43:55,920
Speaker 2: division eventually in London where teams are in London because

1062
00:43:55,960 --> 00:43:59,240
Speaker 2: we need the space and we need the fan per capita.

1063
00:43:59,320 --> 00:44:00,920
Speaker 2: You know, it has to grow into Europe. While you

1064
00:44:00,920 --> 00:44:03,640
Speaker 2: look at a team in Germany or something, but you need.

1065
00:44:03,760 --> 00:44:05,920
Speaker 3: Multiples over there. You can just be one off.

1066
00:44:05,960 --> 00:44:08,319
Speaker 2: Although the planes are getting so damn fast now they

1067
00:44:08,320 --> 00:44:10,400
Speaker 2: are they are. I mean, you could always resurrect the

1068
00:44:10,400 --> 00:44:12,160
Speaker 2: Condor you know what I'm saying, and just get a

1069
00:44:12,160 --> 00:44:13,680
Speaker 2: team Condor jet.

1070
00:44:13,800 --> 00:44:17,040
Speaker 4: But but you want to That's.

1071
00:44:19,040 --> 00:44:21,359
Speaker 3: So the flight that we took back from Seattle two

1072
00:44:21,400 --> 00:44:23,360
Speaker 3: years ago on was it Christmas ever.

1073
00:44:23,719 --> 00:44:24,279
Speaker 4: New Year's Eve?

1074
00:44:24,360 --> 00:44:28,279
Speaker 3: Yeah, We're we're four hours like we were, like, I

1075
00:44:28,320 --> 00:44:30,560
Speaker 3: couldn't believe up the fat we were almost back before

1076
00:44:30,560 --> 00:44:31,359
Speaker 3: we left.

1077
00:44:31,360 --> 00:44:34,680
Speaker 4: Yeah exactly. I mean, and that that's amazing.

1078
00:44:34,719 --> 00:44:36,839
Speaker 2: Like you said, the efficiency of jets and I think

1079
00:44:36,920 --> 00:44:40,239
Speaker 2: you know you and and with that growth, you want

1080
00:44:40,280 --> 00:44:42,520
Speaker 2: to have that flexibility, right, we want to be like, hey,

1081
00:44:42,520 --> 00:44:44,799
Speaker 2: London's not that far away, you know, we can we

1082
00:44:44,800 --> 00:44:45,880
Speaker 2: can have some other guys.

1083
00:44:46,960 --> 00:44:48,280
Speaker 4: Uh yeah, you know, and.

1084
00:44:48,080 --> 00:44:53,200
Speaker 2: And we can have that constant international view because that

1085
00:44:53,320 --> 00:44:56,360
Speaker 2: expanded viewership. Guess what leads the more conscience leads, the

1086
00:44:56,360 --> 00:44:59,040
Speaker 2: bigger salaries leads the more opportunities. And if you got

1087
00:44:59,080 --> 00:45:01,560
Speaker 2: eighteen games, you want to get some excitement in there

1088
00:45:01,600 --> 00:45:04,640
Speaker 2: as opposed to saying all right, this week fifteen matchup.

1089
00:45:04,760 --> 00:45:06,720
Speaker 2: You know, just like how we get with Thursday night football,

1090
00:45:06,760 --> 00:45:09,560
Speaker 2: sometimes with these match pretty well, excitement bring a different

1091
00:45:09,600 --> 00:45:11,440
Speaker 2: audience in there. That's like, okay, well I'm getting to

1092
00:45:11,480 --> 00:45:16,000
Speaker 2: see somewhere different. Those crowds to oh got those soccer

1093
00:45:16,000 --> 00:45:18,760
Speaker 2: crowds of Europe. Man, fun, they are nuts. I love it.

1094
00:45:18,760 --> 00:45:20,320
Speaker 2: It's definitely fun, guys.

1095
00:45:20,320 --> 00:45:23,200
Speaker 3: That's going to do it for our show too, A

1096
00:45:23,239 --> 00:45:26,399
Speaker 3: fun little version of a little little Sunday drive here

1097
00:45:27,000 --> 00:45:29,960
Speaker 3: in West Palm Beach. I can think a few places

1098
00:45:30,000 --> 00:45:32,440
Speaker 3: better to do a little Sunday drive. But that's going

1099
00:45:32,520 --> 00:45:33,920
Speaker 3: to do it for our show today. We'll be back

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Speaker 3: again tomorrow for seven pm. Right here get the extended

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Speaker 3: Max Starks, for Matt Williamson, I am Dale Lolly when

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Speaker 3: we thank Brian La Martina back in studio for making

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Speaker 3: sure we stay on the air, and we want to

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Speaker 3: thank you for listening to this edition of the Drive

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Speaker 3: on the Steelers Audio Network.