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Speaker 1: What do we have, chrisoul A lot of interesting things

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Speaker 1: I can't blame her for that. Come on, I would

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Speaker 1: protect my husband too, like, I mean, look, we have

429
00:21:21,920 --> 00:21:24,520
Speaker 1: eyes and ears, like we can all know. I can't.

430
00:21:24,880 --> 00:21:27,720
Speaker 1: I can't blame someone's husband or wife for like swooping

431
00:21:27,760 --> 00:21:29,800
Speaker 1: in like that and having that kind of reactity. You're

432
00:21:29,840 --> 00:21:31,560
Speaker 1: just lying though, I mean that's the problem with her,

433
00:21:31,600 --> 00:21:33,760
Speaker 1: which is that she's lied from day one about his status.

434
00:21:33,840 --> 00:21:36,840
Speaker 1: Is listen, if you guys want to convalescent privacy, don't

435
00:21:36,880 --> 00:21:39,760
Speaker 1: run for public office wife. I don't care. I mean

436
00:21:39,480 --> 00:21:44,680
Speaker 1: they want. That's unreasonable not to expect the like spouse

437
00:21:44,760 --> 00:21:49,560
Speaker 1: to be protective of their you know, of their their guy. Here.

438
00:21:49,960 --> 00:21:52,760
Speaker 1: I don't think that's on privacy, not in public which

439
00:21:52,800 --> 00:21:54,879
Speaker 1: is that if you want. And by the way, there

440
00:21:54,880 --> 00:21:56,760
Speaker 1: are a lot of weird, sketchy things in their past

441
00:21:56,760 --> 00:21:58,439
Speaker 1: in terms of her trying to use him for her

442
00:21:58,480 --> 00:22:01,240
Speaker 1: own political benefits. So I don't know what exactly is

443
00:22:01,280 --> 00:22:03,320
Speaker 1: going on. Me personally would never let a spouse go

444
00:22:03,400 --> 00:22:05,639
Speaker 1: up in that kind of condition. Well, but this is this.

445
00:22:05,760 --> 00:22:09,640
Speaker 1: I don't like this. I don't think that that's fair

446
00:22:09,720 --> 00:22:13,879
Speaker 1: because there's no indication whatsoever that he is not able

447
00:22:13,920 --> 00:22:16,880
Speaker 1: to make his own decisions. Don't, so there's there. Yeah,

448
00:22:16,920 --> 00:22:19,360
Speaker 1: but you don't know it either. So I mean, from

449
00:22:19,359 --> 00:22:22,960
Speaker 1: what we see in public, he is making his own choices,

450
00:22:23,119 --> 00:22:25,760
Speaker 1: wants to be in this race, is very engaged. There's

451
00:22:25,800 --> 00:22:28,640
Speaker 1: no indication that he doesn't know what's going on whatsoever.

452
00:22:28,720 --> 00:22:32,080
Speaker 1: I mean, he's clearly able to respond to questions, understand

453
00:22:32,119 --> 00:22:36,159
Speaker 1: the issues at stake here. So I think it's absurd

454
00:22:36,320 --> 00:22:38,919
Speaker 1: this conservative narrative that has taken hold that she's like

455
00:22:38,960 --> 00:22:41,000
Speaker 1: some sort of puppet master and they're just propping him

456
00:22:41,040 --> 00:22:43,200
Speaker 1: up and he has no idea what's going on. There

457
00:22:43,280 --> 00:22:45,960
Speaker 1: is no indication of that. So for me to see

458
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Speaker 1: her as a human being, like reflexively being protective of him,

459
00:22:51,320 --> 00:22:53,920
Speaker 1: I can't judge that. I can't like shame her for that. Okay, fine,

460
00:22:53,960 --> 00:22:55,800
Speaker 1: I mean, let's just say, let's not shame her for that.

461
00:22:55,920 --> 00:22:59,159
Speaker 1: Did she do anybody? Does she do? The Democrats and

462
00:22:59,200 --> 00:23:02,240
Speaker 1: the Democratic part pready a favor by effectively calling all

463
00:23:02,240 --> 00:23:05,000
Speaker 1: criticism of his ability to speak ableism. I'm on a

464
00:23:05,000 --> 00:23:07,560
Speaker 1: political point. Obviously, The answer is no, which is that

465
00:23:07,720 --> 00:23:09,879
Speaker 1: by leaning into this, they have effectively made it so.

466
00:23:09,920 --> 00:23:13,200
Speaker 1: The national press told everyone to ignore their eyes and ears.

467
00:23:13,200 --> 00:23:17,119
Speaker 1: But again, can that on the media, not on what

468
00:23:17,160 --> 00:23:20,200
Speaker 1: they're taking their hands from her. She's the one who's driving. Yeah,

469
00:23:20,200 --> 00:23:24,560
Speaker 1: but they're they're supposed to be independent press. Of course

470
00:23:24,600 --> 00:23:27,840
Speaker 1: the family is going to defend him like that's natural,

471
00:23:27,920 --> 00:23:30,159
Speaker 1: that's human. That's exactly what I would do in a

472
00:23:30,200 --> 00:23:33,159
Speaker 1: similar situation. Of course, I'd be outraged, Like there's no

473
00:23:33,240 --> 00:23:37,040
Speaker 1: doubt about it. It's the press's job to be honest

474
00:23:37,200 --> 00:23:41,439
Speaker 1: and be transparent, and ultimately, as you said, by trying

475
00:23:41,480 --> 00:23:44,880
Speaker 1: to cover for him, they didn't do him any favors.

476
00:23:44,920 --> 00:23:46,879
Speaker 1: But I don't I don't think you can blame like

477
00:23:46,960 --> 00:23:52,080
Speaker 1: the close family members for having a human reaction. Sure, okay,

478
00:23:52,200 --> 00:23:54,160
Speaker 1: but if we can bring it back to the mainstream

479
00:23:54,200 --> 00:23:57,240
Speaker 1: media and their coverage of it, their about face on

480
00:23:57,280 --> 00:23:59,720
Speaker 1: it is humiliating for them because they took part in this.

481
00:24:00,119 --> 00:24:03,400
Speaker 1: And actually I subscribe to the New York Times notifications

482
00:24:03,440 --> 00:24:05,680
Speaker 1: just to see, like what the current thing is. Yeah,

483
00:24:05,760 --> 00:24:08,879
Speaker 1: last night eight thirty pm, they're like Democrats on a

484
00:24:08,920 --> 00:24:11,840
Speaker 1: knife sedge health. I don't like, you guys should have

485
00:24:11,880 --> 00:24:14,439
Speaker 1: done this all. The other thing to say, though, is

486
00:24:14,840 --> 00:24:17,520
Speaker 1: you know, I listened to the podcast with Kara Swisher.

487
00:24:17,720 --> 00:24:20,639
Speaker 1: I listened to the NBC News interview and he was

488
00:24:20,720 --> 00:24:23,159
Speaker 1: not this bad. Yeah, So I do think, you know,

489
00:24:23,680 --> 00:24:26,679
Speaker 1: it would be fair to have extrapolated from that a

490
00:24:26,760 --> 00:24:30,199
Speaker 1: different reality of where he is versus you know, debates

491
00:24:30,240 --> 00:24:33,720
Speaker 1: an extremely stressful situation. You're dealing not only with questions

492
00:24:33,800 --> 00:24:36,560
Speaker 1: from one interviewer, but you're having to deal with like

493
00:24:36,600 --> 00:24:39,480
Speaker 1: this back and forth situation as well. You know, the

494
00:24:39,520 --> 00:24:42,080
Speaker 1: pressure is on, you know, all the eyes are on you.

495
00:24:42,440 --> 00:24:44,400
Speaker 1: So I do also think it's fair to point out

496
00:24:44,440 --> 00:24:47,800
Speaker 1: like he was measurably worse here than when Kara was

497
00:24:47,880 --> 00:24:50,880
Speaker 1: interacting with him as well. So you know, I think

498
00:24:50,880 --> 00:24:53,600
Speaker 1: that's important keep in mind here. Yeah, but she is,

499
00:24:53,640 --> 00:24:55,919
Speaker 1: she's humiliated herself because really what it is is that

500
00:24:55,960 --> 00:24:58,040
Speaker 1: she also leaned into the ableism. Look, I get it,

501
00:24:58,040 --> 00:24:59,840
Speaker 1: she survived a stroke, and God bless her. I feel

502
00:25:00,000 --> 00:25:02,240
Speaker 1: I'm happy that she survived a stroke and she's able

503
00:25:02,480 --> 00:25:04,880
Speaker 1: to do her job. I hope that for everybody, And

504
00:25:04,920 --> 00:25:07,320
Speaker 1: from what I've seen, most of those people need long convalescences,

505
00:25:07,400 --> 00:25:08,840
Speaker 1: need a lot of rests, and they need a lot

506
00:25:08,920 --> 00:25:11,119
Speaker 1: less stress. So in many ways, I feel bad for

507
00:25:11,200 --> 00:25:13,880
Speaker 1: him because he very very well may have short either

508
00:25:13,920 --> 00:25:16,880
Speaker 1: shortened his life or his own recovery. I don't think

509
00:25:16,880 --> 00:25:19,800
Speaker 1: there's any No. Actually, the analysis I saw is that

510
00:25:20,040 --> 00:25:24,040
Speaker 1: there's pushing yourself in terms of regaining your speech and

511
00:25:24,160 --> 00:25:27,560
Speaker 1: auditory processing abilities is actually good for your recovery. Now

512
00:25:27,560 --> 00:25:30,800
Speaker 1: the stress might be another question, but again, he's a

513
00:25:30,800 --> 00:25:33,280
Speaker 1: big boy, can make his own choices about his life here.

514
00:25:33,600 --> 00:25:35,679
Speaker 1: And in the wake of that interview, there were some

515
00:25:35,880 --> 00:25:38,400
Speaker 1: reactions that again I thought it was over the top,

516
00:25:38,560 --> 00:25:42,600
Speaker 1: the attacks on Dasha Burns or whatever the girl's name was.

517
00:25:43,160 --> 00:25:46,320
Speaker 1: But I did think it was gross the suggestion that, like,

518
00:25:46,640 --> 00:25:49,720
Speaker 1: because someone has to use close captioning, they're incapable of

519
00:25:49,760 --> 00:25:52,040
Speaker 1: serving the Senate. That would mean that anyone who was

520
00:25:52,080 --> 00:25:53,920
Speaker 1: deaf can't serve in the Senate. And I do think

521
00:25:53,960 --> 00:25:56,240
Speaker 1: that that's outrageous. I should think that that's fair. Well,

522
00:25:56,240 --> 00:25:57,719
Speaker 1: but I mean, I think the point that I think

523
00:25:57,760 --> 00:25:59,080
Speaker 1: a lot of us were making, or at least me,

524
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Speaker 1: I can only speak for my U was we don't

525
00:26:00,880 --> 00:26:02,840
Speaker 1: know if it's only limited to this, I don't know.

526
00:26:02,960 --> 00:26:04,959
Speaker 1: And like I said, he needs to do. It is

527
00:26:05,000 --> 00:26:07,320
Speaker 1: on him to prove that his brain is not permanently

528
00:26:07,400 --> 00:26:09,920
Speaker 1: damaged as a result of what's happened here. Not vice versa.

529
00:26:09,960 --> 00:26:12,320
Speaker 1: We can only speculate based upon what we know well.

530
00:26:12,320 --> 00:26:14,240
Speaker 1: But you have to give him credit to even like

531
00:26:14,440 --> 00:26:17,920
Speaker 1: subject himself to these interviews and do the debate when

532
00:26:18,160 --> 00:26:21,679
Speaker 1: there are other candidates who are just who have no

533
00:26:22,040 --> 00:26:25,679
Speaker 1: physical issues or mental issues, who are just like, no,

534
00:26:25,760 --> 00:26:27,680
Speaker 1: I'm not going to debate this person. We want to.

535
00:26:27,840 --> 00:26:29,640
Speaker 1: If I was his campaign, I would never let him

536
00:26:29,640 --> 00:26:31,560
Speaker 1: step out on that stage. Person, But you have to

537
00:26:31,560 --> 00:26:35,159
Speaker 1: admit it was the right thing in the eyes of democracy.

538
00:26:35,280 --> 00:26:38,320
Speaker 1: It was the moral, ethical thing to do. Like, you

539
00:26:38,320 --> 00:26:39,800
Speaker 1: have to give him credit for that. I'll give him

540
00:26:39,800 --> 00:26:42,119
Speaker 1: credit for it. So I don't think it probably worked.

541
00:26:42,280 --> 00:26:45,399
Speaker 1: I don't think a great politically. If you're like a

542
00:26:45,440 --> 00:26:49,399
Speaker 1: cynical political operative, you would just say no, you should

543
00:26:49,440 --> 00:26:51,880
Speaker 1: just hide until election day and let them find out

544
00:26:52,000 --> 00:26:54,640
Speaker 1: later where you are in your recovery. He hasn't done that,

545
00:26:55,040 --> 00:26:57,080
Speaker 1: and I do think he deserves a lot of credit

546
00:26:57,080 --> 00:26:58,800
Speaker 1: for that. Is that going to mean that, you know

547
00:26:58,960 --> 00:27:00,960
Speaker 1: he's not going to end up as United States Center

548
00:27:01,119 --> 00:27:03,199
Speaker 1: for the State of Pennsylvania. Listen. I think that it

549
00:27:03,400 --> 00:27:06,760
Speaker 1: was the right thing to do to let voters judge

550
00:27:07,000 --> 00:27:11,800
Speaker 1: for themselves ultimately. And you know, again, my view is

551
00:27:11,840 --> 00:27:14,600
Speaker 1: probably The biggest thing he has going against him is

552
00:27:14,600 --> 00:27:17,320
Speaker 1: in the stroke. It's the national wins that are blowing

553
00:27:17,400 --> 00:27:19,639
Speaker 1: very hard against Democrats at this point and are moving

554
00:27:19,640 --> 00:27:23,800
Speaker 1: the races, you know, in a decidedly Republican advantage direction.

555
00:27:24,400 --> 00:27:26,840
Speaker 1: But I can't help but give him credit for having

556
00:27:26,840 --> 00:27:30,479
Speaker 1: the courage to like have this level of transparency, and

557
00:27:30,520 --> 00:27:32,840
Speaker 1: frankly he's been more candid and open with the press

558
00:27:32,880 --> 00:27:35,360
Speaker 1: than US has at this point. Well, I'm not sure

559
00:27:35,400 --> 00:27:38,080
Speaker 1: that's true. Definitely on the stroke, I'm not going to

560
00:27:38,160 --> 00:27:40,320
Speaker 1: drop this. He has lied about his stroke from day one.

561
00:27:40,440 --> 00:27:43,440
Speaker 1: I remember on the exactly what happened with his heart.

562
00:27:43,680 --> 00:27:45,760
Speaker 1: His doctors had to come out and lead and be like, listen,

563
00:27:45,760 --> 00:27:47,879
Speaker 1: this is way more serious than he's letting on hides

564
00:27:47,920 --> 00:27:50,200
Speaker 1: behind a cloak for two or three months, doesn't start

565
00:27:50,200 --> 00:27:54,199
Speaker 1: doing interviews, but doing what matter really matters, which is

566
00:27:54,200 --> 00:27:55,879
Speaker 1: how are you going to vote on issues and what

567
00:27:55,920 --> 00:27:59,160
Speaker 1: are your views. He's been far more upfront and subject

568
00:27:59,160 --> 00:28:02,080
Speaker 1: to himself to far more questioning than OZ, sitting down

569
00:28:02,080 --> 00:28:04,679
Speaker 1: with editorial boards that OZ won't meet with, like sitting

570
00:28:04,680 --> 00:28:07,239
Speaker 1: down for mainstream press interviews that he knows are going

571
00:28:07,280 --> 00:28:09,760
Speaker 1: to be challenging. So I think he deserves a lot

572
00:28:09,760 --> 00:28:11,840
Speaker 1: of credit for that. Okay, all right, let's move on

573
00:28:11,840 --> 00:28:15,080
Speaker 1: to Herschelwalker, Hershel Walker. All right, we got another abortion

574
00:28:15,160 --> 00:28:17,760
Speaker 1: allegation against Herschel Walker. Let's go and put this up

575
00:28:17,760 --> 00:28:21,440
Speaker 1: on the screen. New woman alleges Herschel Walker or Chair

576
00:28:21,640 --> 00:28:26,240
Speaker 1: to have an abortion. Now, this woman decided to remain anonymous,

577
00:28:26,440 --> 00:28:30,520
Speaker 1: but she alleges that he drove her to a clinic

578
00:28:30,560 --> 00:28:34,320
Speaker 1: to terminate her pregnancy. She plans for Maine anonymous and

579
00:28:34,400 --> 00:28:36,919
Speaker 1: is going to provide evidence of her romance with Walker,

580
00:28:37,000 --> 00:28:39,800
Speaker 1: which she did. They went ahead and had this press

581
00:28:39,880 --> 00:28:43,200
Speaker 1: conference with Gloria Allread, and they had some thing some

582
00:28:43,480 --> 00:28:47,880
Speaker 1: love letters from Walker and also a nineteen ninety two voicemail,

583
00:28:47,920 --> 00:28:51,440
Speaker 1: which I'm pressed then anyone still retains their nineteen ninety

584
00:28:51,440 --> 00:28:54,840
Speaker 1: two voicemails? But anyway, would that be on a cassette tape?

585
00:28:55,600 --> 00:28:58,680
Speaker 1: It would? Yeah, yeah, I think so in ninety two.

586
00:28:58,720 --> 00:29:01,720
Speaker 1: I mean, I'm trying. I was literally born in I too,

587
00:29:01,760 --> 00:29:04,680
Speaker 1: so I'm trying to remember my very earliest answering machine.

588
00:29:04,680 --> 00:29:07,640
Speaker 1: I'm pretty sure on a cassette tape. Yeah, because how

589
00:29:07,680 --> 00:29:10,120
Speaker 1: else I don't even think they had like digital files then,

590
00:29:10,320 --> 00:29:13,600
Speaker 1: or they maybe like floppy disk or something it could have. Yeah, No,

591
00:29:13,680 --> 00:29:17,480
Speaker 1: I think it was exactly so she was. She had

592
00:29:18,120 --> 00:29:21,720
Speaker 1: nineteen ninety two voicemail saved on the cassette tape to

593
00:29:21,800 --> 00:29:24,680
Speaker 1: prove evidence of their relationship. I don't think she has

594
00:29:24,760 --> 00:29:27,040
Speaker 1: quite the goods that the other one did in terms

595
00:29:27,040 --> 00:29:29,520
Speaker 1: of like the receipt and the get well from your

596
00:29:29,560 --> 00:29:33,400
Speaker 1: abortion card signed by her Isel Walker. But I also

597
00:29:33,440 --> 00:29:35,120
Speaker 1: don't think that it's too much of a stretch of

598
00:29:35,120 --> 00:29:37,960
Speaker 1: the imagination to imagine that if there was one woman

599
00:29:38,080 --> 00:29:40,800
Speaker 1: who actually said that Walker not only paid for the

600
00:29:40,840 --> 00:29:42,800
Speaker 1: first abortion but ur sure to get a second abortion,

601
00:29:42,880 --> 00:29:45,720
Speaker 1: that there might be another woman out there who had

602
00:29:45,760 --> 00:29:50,600
Speaker 1: a similar experience. These you know, going back to the

603
00:29:50,600 --> 00:29:53,720
Speaker 1: Cannon quality issues, all of the alliad not just the

604
00:29:53,720 --> 00:29:57,600
Speaker 1: abortion ones, but which exposed a level of personal hypocrisy,

605
00:29:57,720 --> 00:30:00,959
Speaker 1: not to mention lying, but all of the other issues

606
00:30:00,960 --> 00:30:05,320
Speaker 1: that he's had, also issues explaining himself, also issues with

607
00:30:05,440 --> 00:30:08,440
Speaker 1: potential brain damage, and you know, there's not a lot

608
00:30:08,480 --> 00:30:11,080
Speaker 1: of proof there either of how well he would be

609
00:30:11,120 --> 00:30:14,080
Speaker 1: able to function, all of the lies that he's been

610
00:30:14,080 --> 00:30:16,120
Speaker 1: caught about, how many kids he has, and all of

611
00:30:16,160 --> 00:30:19,560
Speaker 1: those sorts of things hasn't really made much of a difference.

612
00:30:19,720 --> 00:30:22,880
Speaker 1: There wasn't a big fallout after the first abortion skin

613
00:30:22,960 --> 00:30:24,480
Speaker 1: you dropping the bulls a little bit. He seems to

614
00:30:24,560 --> 00:30:27,680
Speaker 1: have totally recovered. I don't really see this one landing

615
00:30:27,720 --> 00:30:31,120
Speaker 1: with as much of an impact as the last one.

616
00:30:31,640 --> 00:30:35,560
Speaker 1: I think right now the race is basically a toss

617
00:30:35,640 --> 00:30:38,400
Speaker 1: up in terms of where the sort of polling average is.

618
00:30:38,920 --> 00:30:42,680
Speaker 1: So you know, to me this one is it could

619
00:30:42,720 --> 00:30:45,080
Speaker 1: actually end up going to a runoff if it continues

620
00:30:45,120 --> 00:30:47,000
Speaker 1: to be as close as it's certainly possible. So what

621
00:30:47,040 --> 00:30:48,800
Speaker 1: if the runoff rules in Georgia ISA, they just have

622
00:30:48,920 --> 00:30:51,840
Speaker 1: to be you have to get over fifty to avoid

623
00:30:51,880 --> 00:30:54,640
Speaker 1: a runoff, right, And so if they're both under fifty,

624
00:30:54,680 --> 00:30:55,920
Speaker 1: then you go to a runoff. And if they do

625
00:30:56,000 --> 00:30:58,560
Speaker 1: go to the runoff, then yeah, right, So going to

626
00:30:58,640 --> 00:31:03,080
Speaker 1: the runoff would what another election in January? So an

627
00:31:03,120 --> 00:31:06,440
Speaker 1: extra month of campaigning. Yeah, I actually think that might

628
00:31:06,440 --> 00:31:09,080
Speaker 1: be dangerous for herschel Walker, because you never know in

629
00:31:09,200 --> 00:31:11,640
Speaker 1: terms of the national wins of the way things are

630
00:31:11,680 --> 00:31:14,120
Speaker 1: going to blow. We saw that from November to January

631
00:31:14,120 --> 00:31:17,680
Speaker 1: the national political climate change significantly helped the Democrats win

632
00:31:18,000 --> 00:31:20,440
Speaker 1: in both of those seats, So it would definitely be

633
00:31:20,520 --> 00:31:23,040
Speaker 1: in Walker's interest to try and just win it out right,

634
00:31:23,080 --> 00:31:24,840
Speaker 1: even if he beats him only by a percentage point

635
00:31:24,880 --> 00:31:27,840
Speaker 1: and under fifty, I would say, especially given the whole

636
00:31:28,120 --> 00:31:30,720
Speaker 1: national media environment, the zoom in on Walk, he would

637
00:31:30,720 --> 00:31:32,800
Speaker 1: be the only story in the country. You know, right now,

638
00:31:32,920 --> 00:31:35,760
Speaker 1: the abortion story drops in a sea of John fire

639
00:31:35,760 --> 00:31:38,160
Speaker 1: all kinds, all this stuff true. When you're the only

640
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Speaker 1: one in the national media environment, it becomes a national thing.

641
00:31:41,320 --> 00:31:44,200
Speaker 1: Trump would get fully involved, much more so, so I

642
00:31:44,240 --> 00:31:45,680
Speaker 1: think it would be far to more to his detriment

643
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Speaker 1: if it does go to runoff. I think that's right.

644
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Speaker 1: So I just pulled up the Real Clear Politics average.

645
00:31:49,600 --> 00:31:53,000
Speaker 1: It has worn up war knock up, worn up war

646
00:31:53,040 --> 00:31:56,600
Speaker 1: knock up by half a percentage point, and He's at

647
00:31:56,640 --> 00:31:59,520
Speaker 1: forty seven and Walker is at forty six point five.

648
00:32:00,240 --> 00:32:04,840
Speaker 1: Everybody is a few points shy of fifty. Georgia is

649
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Speaker 1: one of the states where the polls have been kind

650
00:32:06,560 --> 00:32:11,200
Speaker 1: of accurate. Does that hold I don't know, But leading

651
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Speaker 1: into those two previous Senate runoffs, they actually were kind

652
00:32:15,920 --> 00:32:19,959
Speaker 1: of right on the money too, Yeah, And the presidential

653
00:32:20,240 --> 00:32:23,040
Speaker 1: was correct the Yeah. The lead up to the runoffs

654
00:32:23,200 --> 00:32:25,720
Speaker 1: they were also correct and I was skeptical of them too,

655
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Speaker 1: because past history indicated that Republicans normally outperformed in those

656
00:32:30,760 --> 00:32:33,680
Speaker 1: runoffs in the state of Georgia. So we really kind

657
00:32:33,680 --> 00:32:35,960
Speaker 1: of thought like the Democrats are kind of hosed here,

658
00:32:36,000 --> 00:32:39,080
Speaker 1: but actually they you know, they had a smart message

659
00:32:39,080 --> 00:32:41,920
Speaker 1: on the two thousand dollars checks. Trump decided to write

660
00:32:41,920 --> 00:32:46,040
Speaker 1: it and tell everybody basically not to vote, and they

661
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Speaker 1: were able to prevail. So anyway, that one is as

662
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Speaker 1: close as it could possibly be. And you know, there

663
00:32:50,920 --> 00:32:53,880
Speaker 1: was even just like a week or two ago, I

664
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Speaker 1: was thinking that Senate control might come down to this,

665
00:32:56,760 --> 00:32:58,840
Speaker 1: but I don't know. At this point. Republicans have enough

666
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Speaker 1: of a head of steam that I don't know that

667
00:33:00,240 --> 00:33:01,840
Speaker 1: they're going to need this seat in order to pick

668
00:33:01,920 --> 00:33:04,120
Speaker 1: up the chamber. I think you're right. It seems like

669
00:33:04,280 --> 00:33:06,640
Speaker 1: everything is just moving their way, so they can even

670
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Speaker 1: lose Georgia and can still control the champ You know,

671
00:33:09,080 --> 00:33:12,160
Speaker 1: actually everyone is sleeping on Nevada. Data for Progress Pole

672
00:33:12,200 --> 00:33:15,120
Speaker 1: came out yesterday showing laxalt up by one point percentage point,

673
00:33:15,120 --> 00:33:17,640
Speaker 1: and that's you know, data for Progress Pole, So we

674
00:33:17,680 --> 00:33:21,160
Speaker 1: don't know where things are trending. You know, look dark

675
00:33:21,200 --> 00:33:23,200
Speaker 1: Horse would be like New Hampshire. I don't think that

676
00:33:23,200 --> 00:33:25,880
Speaker 1: that's going to happen. But in general, the polling environment

677
00:33:25,920 --> 00:33:29,120
Speaker 1: seems relatively favorable to almost every single Republican candidate off

678
00:33:29,120 --> 00:33:31,760
Speaker 1: the board. Extrapolate that to Georgia, I mean, in a

679
00:33:31,800 --> 00:33:35,080
Speaker 1: fifty to fifty environment, we'll see right now, that's another

680
00:33:35,120 --> 00:33:37,720
Speaker 1: state where the polls have been fairly accurate. Right now

681
00:33:37,720 --> 00:33:41,040
Speaker 1: they have the Republican laxult up by half a percentage point,

682
00:33:41,080 --> 00:33:43,200
Speaker 1: so that one is also like as close as it comes.

683
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Speaker 1: But yeah, I mean, listen, they only need to net

684
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Speaker 1: one seat in order to be able to take the chamber.

685
00:33:50,280 --> 00:33:54,800
Speaker 1: So if Fetterman ends up losing, then they only you know,

686
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Speaker 1: that's that keeps them even because that's replacing a Republican

687
00:33:58,000 --> 00:34:00,720
Speaker 1: who currently holds that seat. Then you just have to

688
00:34:00,720 --> 00:34:04,760
Speaker 1: pick up a Nevada in Arizona, you know, you just

689
00:34:04,840 --> 00:34:09,399
Speaker 1: need one. And so I think we'll see, we'll see

690
00:34:09,400 --> 00:34:13,680
Speaker 1: how it goes. But it seems very much like especially

691
00:34:13,719 --> 00:34:15,520
Speaker 1: you know, the thing I'm really responding to most is

692
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Speaker 1: you're seeing some of these householes come out in swing

693
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Speaker 1: districts Sean Patrick Maloney, Katie Port, These places that are

694
00:34:21,880 --> 00:34:24,719
Speaker 1: Biden plus ten, and you've got members of Congress who

695
00:34:24,760 --> 00:34:28,120
Speaker 1: are like holding on by their fingertips. That's an indication

696
00:34:28,239 --> 00:34:30,120
Speaker 1: that these state wide races are going to go in

697
00:34:30,120 --> 00:34:32,800
Speaker 1: a bad direct. I just saw a congressional debate yesterday

698
00:34:32,880 --> 00:34:35,399
Speaker 1: from a Biden plus seven district in New York where

699
00:34:35,440 --> 00:34:37,680
Speaker 1: the candidates aid Biden should not run again in twenty twenty.

700
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Speaker 1: So like that just has to show you, like where

701
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Speaker 1: the winds are trending. I don't know, We'll see. That's

702
00:34:42,360 --> 00:34:45,200
Speaker 1: why I love elections. Yeah, well, I'll find out. Who knows.

703
00:34:45,320 --> 00:34:47,920
Speaker 1: Everybody could be totally wrong. You just don't know. It's

704
00:34:47,920 --> 00:34:50,239
Speaker 1: always a lot of uncertainty this time around. Let's get

705
00:34:50,239 --> 00:34:53,840
Speaker 1: to Ukraine, some troubling front there in terms of President

706
00:34:53,920 --> 00:34:56,840
Speaker 1: Biden making a comment while getting his fifth booster, of

707
00:34:56,880 --> 00:34:59,640
Speaker 1: which I will be elaborating on in my monologue, asked

708
00:34:59,680 --> 00:35:03,160
Speaker 1: a q question about what Russia would do in the

709
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Speaker 1: event of a tactical nuclear weapon, what the United States

710
00:35:05,800 --> 00:35:10,000
Speaker 1: response will be. Here's what he had to say. Allegations

711
00:35:10,040 --> 00:35:12,360
Speaker 1: from Russia as it relates to Ukraine. Do you believe

712
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Speaker 1: that this is the beginning of a false flag operation?

713
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Speaker 1: Is Russia preparing to deploy a dirty bomb itself for

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Speaker 1: a nuclear weapon. I spent a lot of time today

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Speaker 1: talking about that. Let me just say, Russia would be

716
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Speaker 1: make me an incredibly serious mistake for to use a

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Speaker 1: tactical nuclear weapon. I'm not guaranteeing you that it's a

718
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Speaker 1: false flag operation yet, don't know, but it would be

719
00:35:47,600 --> 00:35:52,840
Speaker 1: a serious, serious mistake not guaranteeing the false flag. I

720
00:35:52,880 --> 00:35:55,879
Speaker 1: read some interesting analysis around the whole dirty bomb thing,

721
00:35:56,200 --> 00:35:58,640
Speaker 1: which is that they threatened it before. Apparently this is

722
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Speaker 1: only a third time, if they've said, how have been

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00:36:00,400 --> 00:36:03,919
Speaker 1: so far? In Ukraine? Although it did not ever rise

724
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Speaker 1: to the level of the Secretaries of Defense and chiefs

725
00:36:06,719 --> 00:36:10,359
Speaker 1: the staff speaking, there's still no current indication yet on

726
00:36:10,440 --> 00:36:15,120
Speaker 1: the US side, no sign of backing down. Nancy Pelosi,

727
00:36:15,400 --> 00:36:19,840
Speaker 1: speaking at the International Crimea Platform just two days ago,

728
00:36:20,080 --> 00:36:24,600
Speaker 1: actually reiterated not only US support for Ukraine, but actually

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00:36:24,640 --> 00:36:28,680
Speaker 1: for Ukraine pushing out Russia from Crimea. Let's take a

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Speaker 1: listen to that, an unmistakable statement of the free world's

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00:36:33,280 --> 00:36:38,440
Speaker 1: unity that we stand with Ukraine. This platform was established

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Speaker 1: to bring at the end of Russia's occupation of Crimea

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Speaker 1: and to restore control of Ukraine over the territory in

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Speaker 1: full accordance with international law. Well, it just shows you

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Speaker 1: that the US policy is very much frozen and past rhetoric.

736
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Speaker 1: Obviously that's been long standing US policy, but I think

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Speaker 1: it takes a different tenor whenever you're active supporting ukrating

738
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Speaker 1: the war. Like I said, in terms of the military conduct,

739
00:37:05,000 --> 00:37:07,200
Speaker 1: there has not been any significant change on the ground

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Speaker 1: in the last couple of days. The only major indication

741
00:37:10,640 --> 00:37:13,400
Speaker 1: is this dirty bomb rhetoric being thrown around at the

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Speaker 1: highest levels of the Russian government, including President Putin. Yesterday,

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Speaker 1: in a speech in Moscow, all eyes are going to

744
00:37:21,360 --> 00:37:24,040
Speaker 1: be on Putin. He does his famous you know, yearly

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00:37:24,640 --> 00:37:27,200
Speaker 1: dialogue with reports. It's actually one of the only times

746
00:37:27,239 --> 00:37:29,920
Speaker 1: he ever gets anything even close to like real questions,

747
00:37:30,120 --> 00:37:32,400
Speaker 1: and so he'll give a big speech about his views

748
00:37:32,440 --> 00:37:34,880
Speaker 1: on foreign affairs. It's going to be long and tedious,

749
00:37:34,920 --> 00:37:37,680
Speaker 1: but the more important and stressing stuff is going to

750
00:37:37,719 --> 00:37:41,560
Speaker 1: come from dialogue. There also was an interesting interview yesterday

751
00:37:41,560 --> 00:37:45,239
Speaker 1: with Christian Amanpur and the Russian ambassador to the United Nations.

752
00:37:45,280 --> 00:37:48,440
Speaker 1: He said Russia will not use nuclear weapons in Ukraine,

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Speaker 1: although a lot of the analysis said that he was

754
00:37:50,920 --> 00:37:53,440
Speaker 1: talking about that in the context of a first strike

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00:37:53,760 --> 00:37:55,960
Speaker 1: nuclear But if they come up with the pretext for

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Speaker 1: a dirty bomb, then they could say, well, this is

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Speaker 1: a second strike. You know, Russia is only responding to

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Speaker 1: something in kind. So right, right, this is a diplomatic situation.

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00:38:05,480 --> 00:38:07,399
Speaker 1: Just because it disappears from the headlines for a couple

760
00:38:07,440 --> 00:38:09,880
Speaker 1: of days doesn't mean that it isn't still a nightmare.

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Speaker 1: Very I think that's I also with Biden, like it's

762
00:38:13,680 --> 00:38:17,160
Speaker 1: so hard to know how intentional his words are. But

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Speaker 1: I also was troubled by the fact that he's asked

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Speaker 1: about a dirty bomb, which is not a nuclear weapon.

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Speaker 1: It includes you know, radioactivity, but it is not a

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Speaker 1: nuclear weapon or tactical nuclear weapon, and he, of his

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00:38:30,480 --> 00:38:33,560
Speaker 1: own volition brings up they better not use a tactical

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Speaker 1: nuclear weapon. I found that troubling because that indicated to

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Speaker 1: me that, you know, they are very seriously concerned that

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Speaker 1: that is a possibility right now. Otherwise why do you

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Speaker 1: bring it up? And then with regards to Pelosi's comments

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00:38:48,120 --> 00:38:51,799
Speaker 1: on Crimea and Ukraine, I mean, this is this is

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Speaker 1: one Listen, the US policy has long been official policy.

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Speaker 1: This is all. Ukraine never officially accepted that Crimea was

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Speaker 1: Russia's but de facto on the ground that was the reality,

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Speaker 1: and Crimea has been treated as sort of a special

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00:39:06,200 --> 00:39:09,600
Speaker 1: case throughout this war. There's been a lot more reluctance

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Speaker 1: to you know, directly strike there. That's why the blowing

779
00:39:13,400 --> 00:39:17,080
Speaker 1: up of that bridge was such a big deal and

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00:39:17,200 --> 00:39:20,239
Speaker 1: so sort of provocative and potentially escalatory and kind of

781
00:39:20,239 --> 00:39:22,400
Speaker 1: a scary situation for the time, even though you know,

782
00:39:22,480 --> 00:39:25,800
Speaker 1: obviously it was a huge win for the Ukrainian military.

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Speaker 1: But Putin kind of screwed himself over by annexing those

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Speaker 1: four regions or pretending to annex or legally annexing, or

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Speaker 1: however you want to put it, because then it created

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Speaker 1: less of a distinction between Crimea. Is sort of trying

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Speaker 1: to put these four regions in the same bucket as Crimea,

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Speaker 1: and it made it so that there was less of

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Speaker 1: a special like special consideration of this one particular region.

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Speaker 1: So I do think this is in some ways, you know,

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00:39:54,920 --> 00:39:58,479
Speaker 1: a problem of his own making. There's a sense that

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00:39:59,040 --> 00:40:01,480
Speaker 1: the Russian peace well also are sort of more attached

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00:40:01,520 --> 00:40:04,920
Speaker 1: to crimeas like part of their land than the eastern

794
00:40:04,960 --> 00:40:08,279
Speaker 1: parts of Ukraine. There's more of a like you know,

795
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Speaker 1: historical like this is really our tarantories are our people.

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00:40:11,400 --> 00:40:14,239
Speaker 1: They're also I mean, we shouldn't deny the fact that

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00:40:14,440 --> 00:40:17,840
Speaker 1: prior to all of these hostilities, even Western media outlets

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Speaker 1: would acknowledge that a lot of people who lived Russian

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Speaker 1: speakers in Crimea actually were favorable, more favorable to Russia,

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Speaker 1: and were more inclined to be part of Russia than

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00:40:28,480 --> 00:40:31,359
Speaker 1: part of Ukraine. So that's why Crimea, when we talk

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00:40:31,400 --> 00:40:33,279
Speaker 1: about that, it's sort of a special deal, and why

803
00:40:33,320 --> 00:40:37,239
Speaker 1: it's seen as more escalatory when the US says no, no,

804
00:40:37,280 --> 00:40:42,359
Speaker 1: we really directly are also committed to providing Ukraine with

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00:40:42,400 --> 00:40:44,680
Speaker 1: the tools and weapons and what they need to be

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00:40:44,719 --> 00:40:46,120
Speaker 1: able to push you all the way out of there

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00:40:46,160 --> 00:40:47,960
Speaker 1: as well. It's a maximal state. And that's what I'm

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Speaker 1: trying to say, absolutely, especially from a military perspective. I mean,

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00:40:50,760 --> 00:40:53,640
Speaker 1: it was effectively to facto US policy and Western policy

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00:40:53,719 --> 00:40:56,520
Speaker 1: across the board that you know, don't approve it, never

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Speaker 1: going to recognize it, but there's not much you could

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Speaker 1: do about it. So to say now that they're something

813
00:41:00,400 --> 00:41:02,359
Speaker 1: you could do about it, look, we'll see. I mean,

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Speaker 1: I tend to think it's much more of a red

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Speaker 1: line than what the other Russian ones. But as you said,

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00:41:07,080 --> 00:41:09,279
Speaker 1: it's Russia's fault for putting us in a position of

817
00:41:09,320 --> 00:41:11,960
Speaker 1: ambiguity as to what's real and what's not. So don't

818
00:41:11,960 --> 00:41:14,319
Speaker 1: be surprised whenever your red lines get tested and then

819
00:41:14,360 --> 00:41:16,520
Speaker 1: you don't do anything that people don't take them seriously.

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00:41:16,800 --> 00:41:19,400
Speaker 1: It's a slow burning problem on both ends. Let's go

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Speaker 1: to the next part here, which is also very important.

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Speaker 1: Let's put this up there on the screen. Nuclear drills

823
00:41:23,960 --> 00:41:28,600
Speaker 1: have resumed in Russia. These are long standing scheduled nuclear drills.

824
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Speaker 1: Y Vladimir Putin. He actually sat in like the Russian

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00:41:31,520 --> 00:41:33,960
Speaker 1: version of the situation room, which I gotta say, it

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Speaker 1: looks a lot like the Doctor Strange love roundtable. It's

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Speaker 1: a little scary. I thought it looked like an apartment building,

828
00:41:40,840 --> 00:41:43,839
Speaker 1: like conference room. I don't know, weird. Our situation room

829
00:41:43,840 --> 00:41:46,399
Speaker 1: looks comforting. It's like wood and this one is all

830
00:41:46,440 --> 00:41:49,839
Speaker 1: white and round table, which always gets me scared. And look,

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Speaker 1: I don't know, we'll see, maybe I'm wrong. Anyway, Putin

832
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Speaker 1: had overseen annual exercises of the Strategic Nuclear Force. Now

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Speaker 1: this is the second time this has happened in the

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Speaker 1: last year. Year. Some of the last time that we

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00:42:01,520 --> 00:42:04,840
Speaker 1: saw some of these drills and all these things happening

836
00:42:04,840 --> 00:42:08,040
Speaker 1: were around the Russian invasion of Ukraine. That being said,

837
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Speaker 1: once again, the drill says that it's for the military

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Speaker 1: Command and Control to practice carrying out a massive nuclear

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Speaker 1: strike by the strategic nuclear forces in retaliation foreign enemy's

840
00:42:17,400 --> 00:42:20,360
Speaker 1: nuclear strike, something that they do every year. They have

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Speaker 1: ICBMs that they test and others from sea launched ICBMs

842
00:42:24,920 --> 00:42:27,520
Speaker 1: and others in general. I mean, I think it's a

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00:42:27,520 --> 00:42:29,560
Speaker 1: reminder and that's why they do it every single year,

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00:42:29,880 --> 00:42:32,399
Speaker 1: which is that like, hey, we're nuclear power, we are

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Speaker 1: not to be trifled with, and of course we have

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00:42:35,000 --> 00:42:37,799
Speaker 1: to take that seriously. Yeah. Well, and you know when

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00:42:37,800 --> 00:42:40,200
Speaker 1: the last nuclear drill that they did was. It was

848
00:42:40,200 --> 00:42:44,799
Speaker 1: in February, just before or the invasion. Yeah, so I mean, yeah,

849
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Speaker 1: these are regular scheduled They informed the US about the

850
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Speaker 1: drill under the terms of the New Start Arms treaties,

851
00:42:51,080 --> 00:42:52,520
Speaker 1: so you don't want to read too much into it.

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Speaker 1: But still not a great thing. Absolutely, And at the

853
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Speaker 1: same time, let's put this up there on the screen.

854
00:42:56,320 --> 00:42:59,839
Speaker 1: Ukraine actually alleging that of Russian dirty bomb deception at

855
00:42:59,840 --> 00:43:02,560
Speaker 1: the nuclear plant. The nuclear energy operator of Ukraine, so

856
00:43:02,640 --> 00:43:05,760
Speaker 1: that Russian forces were performing secret work at the largest

857
00:43:05,840 --> 00:43:08,600
Speaker 1: nuclear power plant with activity that could shed light on

858
00:43:08,640 --> 00:43:12,480
Speaker 1: their potential provocation and the dirty bomb. So after Saragai

859
00:43:12,680 --> 00:43:16,120
Speaker 1: Shogu made that allegation that Ukraine was preparing a dirty bomb,

860
00:43:16,320 --> 00:43:20,680
Speaker 1: there have been some indications that Russians have been participating

861
00:43:20,880 --> 00:43:24,560
Speaker 1: in some planning operations about potentially using the nuclear power

862
00:43:24,560 --> 00:43:28,480
Speaker 1: plant to facilitate that. Again, this is from Ukraine. Who

863
00:43:28,520 --> 00:43:31,080
Speaker 1: knows if it's true or not. That being said that

864
00:43:31,160 --> 00:43:33,839
Speaker 1: Russians have used that nuclear power plant for shielding, they've

865
00:43:33,880 --> 00:43:36,000
Speaker 1: shelled around the area before. It's caused a lot of

866
00:43:36,000 --> 00:43:39,040
Speaker 1: consternation obviously, also in terms of the power supply and

867
00:43:39,080 --> 00:43:41,880
Speaker 1: who controls it. You could see Ukraine struggling with all

868
00:43:41,920 --> 00:43:44,200
Speaker 1: of that right now. So, like we said in the

869
00:43:44,320 --> 00:43:47,600
Speaker 1: very beginning on the dirty bomb front, nobody knows. Could be. Bluster,

870
00:43:47,840 --> 00:43:50,840
Speaker 1: could be bs, could be nothing, could be the pretext

871
00:43:50,840 --> 00:43:53,719
Speaker 1: to something. We still have no indicator. There's a lot

872
00:43:53,719 --> 00:43:55,759
Speaker 1: of different areas where they could strike. They could use

873
00:43:55,800 --> 00:43:59,359
Speaker 1: these drills as a pretext for actual escalation. They have

874
00:43:59,440 --> 00:44:02,319
Speaker 1: troops and now there's all kinds of things, yeah, that

875
00:44:02,360 --> 00:44:04,120
Speaker 1: are in their Arsenal that they could pull out. They're

876
00:44:04,160 --> 00:44:07,440
Speaker 1: definitely sticking with the story here though, because Shogu continues

877
00:44:07,480 --> 00:44:10,480
Speaker 1: to go out and tell various people they told he

878
00:44:10,520 --> 00:44:14,840
Speaker 1: told his counterpart in China also that Ukraine was planning

879
00:44:14,880 --> 00:44:18,440
Speaker 1: a dirty bomb. So they they have some strategy here.

880
00:44:18,480 --> 00:44:20,360
Speaker 1: What it is and where it leads nobody knows, but

881
00:44:20,440 --> 00:44:25,400
Speaker 1: important to keep an eye on. Okay, let's move on

882
00:44:25,440 --> 00:44:28,440
Speaker 1: to Twitter. This is an interesting story in its own right,

883
00:44:28,480 --> 00:44:30,520
Speaker 1: I mean, far less interesting. Let's put this up there

884
00:44:30,560 --> 00:44:33,120
Speaker 1: on the screen, which is that Elon Musk will officially

885
00:44:33,160 --> 00:44:36,120
Speaker 1: take ownership of Twitter on Friday, or at least that's expected.

886
00:44:36,160 --> 00:44:39,400
Speaker 1: I guess something still could technically happen, but he's notified

887
00:44:39,440 --> 00:44:42,080
Speaker 1: deal makers and other equity holders in the company that

888
00:44:42,120 --> 00:44:45,080
Speaker 1: he will finalize his takeover. He changed his Twitter bio

889
00:44:45,160 --> 00:44:51,960
Speaker 1: to quote chief Twit as you know. The real story is, Okay,

890
00:44:52,160 --> 00:44:54,760
Speaker 1: now that Elon has effectively been forced to buy Twitter,

891
00:44:55,080 --> 00:44:58,120
Speaker 1: what is he going to do with Twitter? There? He

892
00:44:58,239 --> 00:45:02,120
Speaker 1: denied yesterday that he would be firing seventy five percent

893
00:45:02,120 --> 00:45:05,040
Speaker 1: of the workforce, but he still could fire fifty not

894
00:45:05,239 --> 00:45:11,040
Speaker 1: you know, claim that Twitter RIGHTO? I mean, look, Twitter

895
00:45:11,120 --> 00:45:14,840
Speaker 1: has tremendous problems. They are a business which is long failing.

896
00:45:15,280 --> 00:45:18,239
Speaker 1: Even though they are put up there with the facebooks

897
00:45:18,239 --> 00:45:20,200
Speaker 1: and the Googles of the world, they don't have even

898
00:45:20,280 --> 00:45:23,200
Speaker 1: close to the same market capitalization. They don't have nearly

899
00:45:23,280 --> 00:45:25,680
Speaker 1: the same amount of operating revenue or even profit. It's

900
00:45:25,760 --> 00:45:29,240
Speaker 1: not particularly profitable company. Of all the social media giants

901
00:45:29,280 --> 00:45:32,280
Speaker 1: from a pure monetary perspective, it is by far the weakest,

902
00:45:32,280 --> 00:45:34,560
Speaker 1: which is why he's able to buy it effectively with

903
00:45:34,719 --> 00:45:38,439
Speaker 1: Tesla stock in the first place. Elon himself walked into

904
00:45:38,480 --> 00:45:40,759
Speaker 1: the Twitter lobby yesterday. Let's go ahead and put the

905
00:45:40,920 --> 00:45:44,600
Speaker 1: video for those who are just watching, who are watching,

906
00:45:44,680 --> 00:45:48,440
Speaker 1: Elon walked into the lobby of Twitter carrying a sink, saying,

907
00:45:48,680 --> 00:45:53,680
Speaker 1: entering Twitter, HQ, let that sink in so bit of

908
00:45:53,719 --> 00:45:58,080
Speaker 1: a pun, I guess the real real dad joke there.

909
00:45:58,480 --> 00:46:00,759
Speaker 1: Just put it all to this, which is that he

910
00:46:00,880 --> 00:46:04,720
Speaker 1: just spent forty four billion in cash on a failing

911
00:46:04,800 --> 00:46:09,640
Speaker 1: business which was probably worth twenty billion at best. And

912
00:46:10,120 --> 00:46:12,759
Speaker 1: just to give you some insight, people at Twitter who

913
00:46:12,760 --> 00:46:15,800
Speaker 1: are obviously leaking in order to show you just how

914
00:46:16,080 --> 00:46:18,480
Speaker 1: much of a mistake really frankly was to even by

915
00:46:18,520 --> 00:46:21,760
Speaker 1: Twitter put this up there, which is that internal Twitter

916
00:46:21,880 --> 00:46:26,640
Speaker 1: data leaked to Reuters shows that the most active users,

917
00:46:26,960 --> 00:46:30,319
Speaker 1: who are let's let me get the exact numbers here,

918
00:46:31,000 --> 00:46:34,720
Speaker 1: the heavy tweeters, who account for less than ten percent

919
00:46:34,800 --> 00:46:39,359
Speaker 1: of monthly overall users but generate ninety percent of all

920
00:46:39,440 --> 00:46:44,000
Speaker 1: tweets and half of all Twitter global revenue, have been

921
00:46:44,120 --> 00:46:49,240
Speaker 1: quote in absolute decline since the pandemic began. A Twitter

922
00:46:49,360 --> 00:46:53,440
Speaker 1: researcher has an internal document called where did the Tweeters Go?

923
00:46:54,000 --> 00:46:56,960
Speaker 1: And what they define a heavy tweeter as is somebody

924
00:46:56,960 --> 00:47:00,719
Speaker 1: who logs into Twitter six or seven times week and

925
00:47:00,719 --> 00:47:03,600
Speaker 1: tweets about three to four times a week, which most

926
00:47:03,680 --> 00:47:06,400
Speaker 1: newspeople would put them to absolute shame. Yeah, I'm just

927
00:47:06,440 --> 00:47:08,880
Speaker 1: going to say, I don't consider myself a heavy tweeter,

928
00:47:08,960 --> 00:47:10,880
Speaker 1: and I yeah, by this definitely even I am, and

929
00:47:10,880 --> 00:47:13,000
Speaker 1: I've aired mind back by ninety percent. Yeah, means to

930
00:47:13,040 --> 00:47:14,640
Speaker 1: tweet like one hundred times a day, which is eyes

931
00:47:14,680 --> 00:47:16,839
Speaker 1: you wait too month. So anyway, the point being that

932
00:47:17,120 --> 00:47:21,200
Speaker 1: the most active English speaking users, which make up most

933
00:47:21,200 --> 00:47:23,239
Speaker 1: of the global revenue and most of the users on

934
00:47:23,280 --> 00:47:26,680
Speaker 1: the Twitter platform, have been in absolute decline. Now this

935
00:47:26,800 --> 00:47:29,640
Speaker 1: is funny. What are the highest growing topics of interest

936
00:47:29,920 --> 00:47:33,839
Speaker 1: in the last two years cryptocurrency, porn, crypto, and porn.

937
00:47:33,880 --> 00:47:37,600
Speaker 1: Basically that's basically it. Given the crypto crash, right, not inspired,

938
00:47:37,640 --> 00:47:41,719
Speaker 1: they say, even crypto now with the crypto crash, has

939
00:47:41,800 --> 00:47:44,560
Speaker 1: been like plummeting in that one too. So now is

940
00:47:44,600 --> 00:47:48,720
Speaker 1: just porn and let's stuff. The core product of news, sports,

941
00:47:48,719 --> 00:47:52,040
Speaker 1: and entertainment is apparently waning amongst those users. And the

942
00:47:52,160 --> 00:47:55,799
Speaker 1: problem is that, you know, no problem with porn. It's

943
00:47:55,840 --> 00:47:57,640
Speaker 1: fine that it's on there. In fact, I think they

944
00:47:57,680 --> 00:47:59,680
Speaker 1: actually do a pretty good job of like allowing there

945
00:47:59,719 --> 00:48:02,120
Speaker 1: to be uh pour it on Twitter, but with not

946
00:48:02,160 --> 00:48:04,440
Speaker 1: like taking over everybody's timelines, you know what I mean.

947
00:48:04,520 --> 00:48:06,799
Speaker 1: I've never personally seen any Oh you haven't. I mean

948
00:48:06,840 --> 00:48:09,480
Speaker 1: I occasionally have. Well, there's one porn star who's like

949
00:48:09,480 --> 00:48:11,560
Speaker 1: a male porn star who's a massive fan. I won't

950
00:48:11,560 --> 00:48:13,160
Speaker 1: even shout him out, but he's a massive fana for

951
00:48:13,160 --> 00:48:14,640
Speaker 1: the show, and so one time like, oh who is

952
00:48:14,680 --> 00:48:17,480
Speaker 1: this guy? I was like, oh my god, so shout

953
00:48:17,480 --> 00:48:20,040
Speaker 1: out to you. I guess. Anyway, the issue from a

954
00:48:20,040 --> 00:48:22,719
Speaker 1: business perspective is this not as profitable because you know,

955
00:48:22,840 --> 00:48:25,719
Speaker 1: blue chip advertisers they don't have their ad next to

956
00:48:26,040 --> 00:48:29,640
Speaker 1: whatever saga happened to stumble upon on Twitter. So that's

957
00:48:29,640 --> 00:48:32,480
Speaker 1: the real issue. From the business perspective. I know there's

958
00:48:32,520 --> 00:48:34,120
Speaker 1: a lot to say about this. I mean, first with

959
00:48:34,160 --> 00:48:36,799
Speaker 1: regard to Elon, like my position the whole time has

960
00:48:36,880 --> 00:48:39,120
Speaker 1: just been let's wait and see, let's see if the

961
00:48:39,120 --> 00:48:42,560
Speaker 1: deal really closes, Let's see what he actually does. Because

962
00:48:42,600 --> 00:48:45,400
Speaker 1: he's thrown out all kinds of ideas and plans and

963
00:48:45,800 --> 00:48:49,799
Speaker 1: you know, powerpoints and whatever. Let's see what direction he

964
00:48:49,960 --> 00:48:52,280
Speaker 1: actually takes it in. Maybe it's better, maybe it's worse,

965
00:48:52,320 --> 00:48:54,440
Speaker 1: maybe it's indifferent. I have no idea, So I'm just

966
00:48:54,480 --> 00:48:56,120
Speaker 1: gonna wait and see. Do I think there are ways

967
00:48:56,120 --> 00:48:59,279
Speaker 1: that you improve Twitter? Absolutely? I mean Twitter is like

968
00:48:59,400 --> 00:49:01,120
Speaker 1: kind of a health like it's sort of great and

969
00:49:01,120 --> 00:49:04,000
Speaker 1: it's sort of terrible, and it seems like even putting

970
00:49:04,040 --> 00:49:06,640
Speaker 1: like the free speech and censorship piece aside, there are

971
00:49:06,640 --> 00:49:08,600
Speaker 1: things that you could do that would make it less

972
00:49:08,640 --> 00:49:11,200
Speaker 1: of a like healthscape where no matter what you say,

973
00:49:11,239 --> 00:49:13,680
Speaker 1: everybody's incentive is to be like you're just stupid and

974
00:49:13,760 --> 00:49:16,319
Speaker 1: terrible and intentionally misinterpret what you say. There are lots

975
00:49:16,360 --> 00:49:18,680
Speaker 1: of other platforms that don't have that vibe in ethos.

976
00:49:18,840 --> 00:49:21,239
Speaker 1: I'm not smart enough to understand why Twitter has that

977
00:49:21,320 --> 00:49:23,960
Speaker 1: in other places like Instagram don't. But anyway, there seems

978
00:49:23,960 --> 00:49:26,320
Speaker 1: like there could be improvements in terms of the quality

979
00:49:26,760 --> 00:49:29,640
Speaker 1: of the discourse on the platform. Put that aside, Yeah

980
00:49:29,760 --> 00:49:31,360
Speaker 1: you have a thought. Well, I was just gonna say,

981
00:49:31,440 --> 00:49:36,040
Speaker 1: I frankly think that that is probably what contributes to engagement.

982
00:49:36,200 --> 00:49:39,640
Speaker 1: Well that's why people make money. So that's well maybe,

983
00:49:39,640 --> 00:49:42,360
Speaker 1: But then on the other hand, why are they losing

984
00:49:42,360 --> 00:49:44,799
Speaker 1: these how are you tweeters? Maybe because Twitter is a

985
00:49:44,840 --> 00:49:49,480
Speaker 1: miserable place to hang out, you know, So ultimately it

986
00:49:49,480 --> 00:49:51,960
Speaker 1: could be like a penny wise pound foolish kind of

987
00:49:52,000 --> 00:49:56,239
Speaker 1: a situation of this culture that you've created, because yeah,

988
00:49:56,440 --> 00:49:59,840
Speaker 1: any individual day, like the level of outrage and engagement,

989
00:50:00,040 --> 00:50:02,480
Speaker 1: all of that is really ginned up. But over time

990
00:50:02,520 --> 00:50:04,840
Speaker 1: people are like, what, like you like, why do I

991
00:50:04,880 --> 00:50:06,480
Speaker 1: have this in my brain? Why do I have this

992
00:50:06,560 --> 00:50:08,359
Speaker 1: in my life? Why am I assessing over this day

993
00:50:08,400 --> 00:50:12,120
Speaker 1: to day when it's making me feel worse? So I

994
00:50:12,120 --> 00:50:15,560
Speaker 1: don't know. I do think it's also there's a couple

995
00:50:15,560 --> 00:50:18,680
Speaker 1: of things here, I mean they point to specifically, engagement

996
00:50:18,760 --> 00:50:23,120
Speaker 1: around liberal politics has taken a heavy slide downward which

997
00:50:23,160 --> 00:50:26,840
Speaker 1: is just consistent with overall news meet you know, general

998
00:50:26,880 --> 00:50:29,280
Speaker 1: news media. I mean, yeah, they point to spikes around

999
00:50:29,280 --> 00:50:32,480
Speaker 1: things like the US attack and the attack on the

1000
00:50:32,560 --> 00:50:36,440
Speaker 1: US Capitol on January sixth, but in general, huge declines

1001
00:50:36,480 --> 00:50:39,160
Speaker 1: on that. Also, they say they're losing a quote devastating

1002
00:50:39,200 --> 00:50:43,080
Speaker 1: percentage of heavy users are interested in fashion or celebrities

1003
00:50:43,560 --> 00:50:47,880
Speaker 1: like the Kardashian family, and they think that those particular

1004
00:50:48,000 --> 00:50:52,320
Speaker 1: users are just moving over to places like Instagram TikTok

1005
00:50:52,440 --> 00:50:55,760
Speaker 1: in particular. I think TikTok probably, yeah, it makes sense,

1006
00:50:55,840 --> 00:50:57,359
Speaker 1: which is look, at the end of the day, it

1007
00:50:57,400 --> 00:51:00,160
Speaker 1: was a great invention for distribution. But I've always has

1008
00:51:00,200 --> 00:51:03,080
Speaker 1: been the greatest critique is your individual power as a

1009
00:51:03,120 --> 00:51:06,439
Speaker 1: Twitter user, as a random small account is just very low.

1010
00:51:06,520 --> 00:51:08,920
Speaker 1: You know, we see this, which is that disproportion. That's

1011
00:51:08,960 --> 00:51:10,920
Speaker 1: what they point to. Ninety percent of all tweets come

1012
00:51:10,920 --> 00:51:14,040
Speaker 1: from only ten percent of the user. But that's terribly engaged,

1013
00:51:14,120 --> 00:51:17,799
Speaker 1: very unequals a place for elite thought exactly. But you know,

1014
00:51:17,840 --> 00:51:19,640
Speaker 1: that's not really a particularly good business. Look, he could

1015
00:51:19,680 --> 00:51:22,720
Speaker 1: try a lot of things. The Twitter subscription thing ultimately failed.

1016
00:51:23,239 --> 00:51:26,080
Speaker 1: They did a rollout. Now if they could possibly force

1017
00:51:26,360 --> 00:51:29,879
Speaker 1: heaviest users to pay. That could work. You know, once

1018
00:51:29,880 --> 00:51:32,239
Speaker 1: you reach let's say, over fifty thousand followers, you have

1019
00:51:32,239 --> 00:51:33,719
Speaker 1: to pay three to ninety nine a month in order

1020
00:51:33,760 --> 00:51:36,760
Speaker 1: to maintain access to your followership. Not a terrible idea, actually,

1021
00:51:37,040 --> 00:51:38,839
Speaker 1: but there's a lot of things that you can do

1022
00:51:39,200 --> 00:51:41,600
Speaker 1: on his current trajectory. I just don't see any way

1023
00:51:41,640 --> 00:51:44,080
Speaker 1: without massive layoff. Let's put this on the screen, which

1024
00:51:44,120 --> 00:51:46,440
Speaker 1: is at Twitter users or Twitter employees have put it

1025
00:51:46,480 --> 00:51:49,600
Speaker 1: on an open letter basically saying please don't fire seventy

1026
00:51:49,600 --> 00:51:51,600
Speaker 1: five percent of us. But the irony is is that

1027
00:51:51,680 --> 00:51:56,680
Speaker 1: internal Twitter documents actually show that the vast majority of

1028
00:51:56,680 --> 00:51:59,719
Speaker 1: the workforce was already kind of put at risk. They

1029
00:51:59,719 --> 00:52:03,560
Speaker 1: were already weighing massive layoffs at the company. Maybe not

1030
00:52:03,680 --> 00:52:06,680
Speaker 1: in the seventy fifth percentile rates, something like twenty percent

1031
00:52:06,960 --> 00:52:09,200
Speaker 1: or so of the workforce. So no matter who took

1032
00:52:09,239 --> 00:52:10,960
Speaker 1: over this company, it was going to be a blood

1033
00:52:11,000 --> 00:52:13,480
Speaker 1: bath from day one. And look, you know, I like

1034
00:52:13,600 --> 00:52:17,080
Speaker 1: Jack Dorsey just from a purely like ideological perspective. I

1035
00:52:17,120 --> 00:52:19,239
Speaker 1: think his heart was in the right place. But you know,

1036
00:52:19,280 --> 00:52:20,879
Speaker 1: God bless him, he did not do a good job

1037
00:52:20,920 --> 00:52:23,320
Speaker 1: of creating a good business here and maybe it's not possible.

1038
00:52:23,360 --> 00:52:25,799
Speaker 1: Maybe it was always impossible for it to be a

1039
00:52:25,840 --> 00:52:27,879
Speaker 1: great business it was. Maybe it's one of those things

1040
00:52:27,880 --> 00:52:30,440
Speaker 1: like it's a great service like Google, but it just

1041
00:52:30,480 --> 00:52:32,560
Speaker 1: doesn't have the monetary back end. You know. One of

1042
00:52:32,600 --> 00:52:35,960
Speaker 1: the insights that Elon does have that I have all

1043
00:52:36,000 --> 00:52:39,240
Speaker 1: finds of issues with Elon, but that I think is correct,

1044
00:52:39,360 --> 00:52:42,880
Speaker 1: is like he's very skeptical of public companies and public

1045
00:52:42,920 --> 00:52:46,239
Speaker 1: markets because of the way it messes up incentives, and

1046
00:52:46,280 --> 00:52:48,560
Speaker 1: he's absolutely great about that. I mean, that's we talked

1047
00:52:48,560 --> 00:52:52,400
Speaker 1: to Rona Farujar earlier this week, who's a wonderful thinker

1048
00:52:52,480 --> 00:52:54,400
Speaker 1: and just wrote a great book called Homecoming, and has

1049
00:52:54,400 --> 00:52:56,560
Speaker 1: also written books like Makers and Takers all about the

1050
00:52:56,560 --> 00:53:01,200
Speaker 1: financialization of our economy. And the reality is private businesses

1051
00:53:01,640 --> 00:53:05,280
Speaker 1: really are much more incentivized to focus on the quality

1052
00:53:05,360 --> 00:53:09,120
Speaker 1: of their product. The numbers bear out. They invest way

1053
00:53:09,200 --> 00:53:13,200
Speaker 1: more in research and development versus you know, your public company.

1054
00:53:13,239 --> 00:53:15,120
Speaker 1: The whole game is like buying back your own stock

1055
00:53:15,160 --> 00:53:18,520
Speaker 1: and all this financial engineering crap. So, I mean that's

1056
00:53:18,560 --> 00:53:22,319
Speaker 1: another issue here as well. But look, I'm curious to

1057
00:53:22,320 --> 00:53:25,480
Speaker 1: see what he does. If it improves the platform, that

1058
00:53:25,520 --> 00:53:28,000
Speaker 1: would be wonderful because it really is central to our

1059
00:53:28,560 --> 00:53:32,600
Speaker 1: elite discourse in political dialogue. I mean in some ways,

1060
00:53:32,600 --> 00:53:34,719
Speaker 1: of course, like what happens on Twitter isn't real like

1061
00:53:34,800 --> 00:53:37,440
Speaker 1: so not Twitter's not real life whatever, but it does

1062
00:53:37,600 --> 00:53:41,200
Speaker 1: really set the agenda in terms of elite opinion makers,

1063
00:53:41,360 --> 00:53:44,160
Speaker 1: and so it is a very critical part of our

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00:53:44,200 --> 00:53:46,320
Speaker 1: public square. That's personally why I don't think it should

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00:53:46,320 --> 00:53:48,560
Speaker 1: be up to the whims of profit incentives. I think

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00:53:48,560 --> 00:53:51,320
Speaker 1: it should either be like basically, you know, public utility

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00:53:51,400 --> 00:53:53,719
Speaker 1: is part of the sort of infrastructure of how we

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00:53:53,760 --> 00:53:56,960
Speaker 1: conduct democracy. But if there are any marginal improvements that

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00:53:57,000 --> 00:53:59,080
Speaker 1: are made here, it would be a positive thing. I

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00:53:59,120 --> 00:54:01,080
Speaker 1: would really like it. I mean, I think a return

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00:54:01,200 --> 00:54:04,239
Speaker 1: to the chronological feed, which you can do you can

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00:54:04,280 --> 00:54:06,719
Speaker 1: do yourself, would be better. I've done that, but most

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00:54:06,760 --> 00:54:10,080
Speaker 1: people don't do that. Away from the algorithmic feed would

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00:54:10,080 --> 00:54:12,440
Speaker 1: be very beneficial. For There's a lot of things I

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00:54:12,440 --> 00:54:14,359
Speaker 1: could do for the service, but I just don't see

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00:54:14,360 --> 00:54:15,520
Speaker 1: a way that it makes a lot of money. That's

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00:54:15,520 --> 00:54:17,319
Speaker 1: why I just don't think that there's any world in

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00:54:17,320 --> 00:54:18,799
Speaker 1: which he will make any of his money back. But

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00:54:19,080 --> 00:54:20,840
Speaker 1: I mean, look, maybe he did the world a favor

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00:54:20,880 --> 00:54:22,959
Speaker 1: which is that you burn your cash and you do,

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00:54:23,000 --> 00:54:25,440
Speaker 1: you know, basically eat the cost for the rest of

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00:54:25,520 --> 00:54:27,760
Speaker 1: us to have a service, which I do think is vital.

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00:54:27,800 --> 00:54:30,600
Speaker 1: But from a business perspective, I really just don't see it.

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00:54:30,840 --> 00:54:34,640
Speaker 1: From an advertising related business, it's just not going to happen. Now.

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00:54:35,200 --> 00:54:37,840
Speaker 1: Is never bet against him. From a business perspective, I

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00:54:37,880 --> 00:54:40,560
Speaker 1: think all of us have learned that it's very possible

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00:54:40,680 --> 00:54:42,160
Speaker 1: he could turn the ship around. He could turn into

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00:54:42,160 --> 00:54:44,240
Speaker 1: a lean, mean machine and then just you know, increase

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00:54:44,280 --> 00:54:46,640
Speaker 1: the operating revenue and that alone would drive a profit

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00:54:46,719 --> 00:54:48,560
Speaker 1: and then maybe he could even sell the company in

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00:54:48,600 --> 00:54:50,880
Speaker 1: the future. We'll see what he got, yeah, I mean,

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00:54:50,920 --> 00:54:53,479
Speaker 1: I don't really care how the business does I care about,

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00:54:53,520 --> 00:54:57,560
Speaker 1: like sure, how it is for society. We'll see. We'll

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00:54:57,560 --> 00:54:59,440
Speaker 1: see what he does, all right. Our friend Ken clip

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00:54:59,520 --> 00:55:02,439
Speaker 1: and se the Innercept has a really important scoop here

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00:55:02,520 --> 00:55:06,000
Speaker 1: about how exactly the FED operates, and go ahead and

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00:55:06,000 --> 00:55:07,680
Speaker 1: put this up on the screen. He partnered with Daniel

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00:55:07,719 --> 00:55:10,440
Speaker 1: Bugus Law for this report. The headline here is the

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00:55:10,480 --> 00:55:13,759
Speaker 1: FED likes to tout it's independence, so why are big

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00:55:13,800 --> 00:55:17,000
Speaker 1: banks lobbying it on? Like Trump Biden vowchu quote respect

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00:55:17,000 --> 00:55:20,880
Speaker 1: the Fed's independence even as bank lobbyists continue to swarm it.

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00:55:21,160 --> 00:55:23,000
Speaker 1: And I think they set it up really perfectly here,

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00:55:23,040 --> 00:55:26,520
Speaker 1: because you know, the theoretical image of the FED is

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00:55:26,520 --> 00:55:29,200
Speaker 1: it's sort of an island unto itself, and you have

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00:55:29,320 --> 00:55:33,120
Speaker 1: these just brilliant mathematicians and economists who are analyzing the

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00:55:33,200 --> 00:55:35,960
Speaker 1: numbers of the economy and then really sort of like

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00:55:36,239 --> 00:55:39,600
Speaker 1: with no value judgment, just crunching the numbers and doing

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00:55:39,600 --> 00:55:43,120
Speaker 1: what's ripe for the economy. That's their platonic idea of

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00:55:43,160 --> 00:55:46,600
Speaker 1: what the FED actually is. Ken and Daniel here expose

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00:55:46,840 --> 00:55:49,600
Speaker 1: the reality, which is this is an institution that may

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00:55:49,600 --> 00:55:53,120
Speaker 1: not be accountable to you, but they are taking in

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00:55:53,120 --> 00:55:56,080
Speaker 1: a lot of input and they're taking it in mostly

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00:55:56,080 --> 00:55:57,759
Speaker 1: from Wall Street. So let me read this to you.

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00:55:57,800 --> 00:56:00,880
Speaker 1: They say, paid lobbyists make their case on behalf of

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00:56:01,040 --> 00:56:04,280
Speaker 1: massive financial corporations in the same fashion as K Street

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00:56:04,280 --> 00:56:08,160
Speaker 1: lobbyists hawking their wares to members of Congress. In twenty

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00:56:08,200 --> 00:56:11,480
Speaker 1: twenty two alone, over one hundred and twenty groups reported

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00:56:11,520 --> 00:56:13,960
Speaker 1: lobbying the FED on issues ranging from credit card fees

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00:56:14,040 --> 00:56:18,720
Speaker 1: to crypto to sprawling monetary politiccy initiatives like mortgage finance.

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Speaker 1: Postings on the Federal Reserve website in the past year

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00:56:21,280 --> 00:56:25,840
Speaker 1: record meetings with Discover Financial, Student Loan Servicing Alliance, National

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00:56:25,880 --> 00:56:31,680
Speaker 1: Bankers Association, Capital One, JP, Morgan, Chase, Morgan, Stanley, Goldman Sex,

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00:56:31,760 --> 00:56:33,839
Speaker 1: all of whom saw their profits to go up during

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00:56:33,840 --> 00:56:37,080
Speaker 1: that year. Basically like their congressional counterparts, many of the

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00:56:37,080 --> 00:56:39,920
Speaker 1: lobbies seeking to influence the FED spent time in government

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00:56:39,960 --> 00:56:43,520
Speaker 1: before journey joining their respective firms. The agencies that served

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00:56:43,560 --> 00:56:47,800
Speaker 1: as trading grounds for FED lobbyists include Departments of Defense, Energy,

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00:56:47,960 --> 00:56:52,560
Speaker 1: also Treasury Department SEC, and the Federal Reserve itself. So

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00:56:53,680 --> 00:56:56,200
Speaker 1: it's even worse in a lot of ways than the

1130
00:56:56,520 --> 00:56:59,520
Speaker 1: congressional lobbying that goes on because, at least in theory,

1131
00:56:59,640 --> 00:57:04,080
Speaker 1: there some democratic input mechanism on the other side. Here,

1132
00:57:04,200 --> 00:57:07,880
Speaker 1: it's all just one way. So the sense which you know,

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00:57:07,920 --> 00:57:09,799
Speaker 1: I mean the FED was created to be sort of

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00:57:09,840 --> 00:57:12,360
Speaker 1: like a representative of all these banks around the country,

1135
00:57:12,640 --> 00:57:15,680
Speaker 1: the sense that this is a Wall Street institution of

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00:57:15,719 --> 00:57:18,040
Speaker 1: buy and for Wall Street is only heightened by the

1137
00:57:18,080 --> 00:57:22,040
Speaker 1: fact that they are being subjected to this level of lobbying.

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00:57:22,320 --> 00:57:24,320
Speaker 1: And also a lot of this is the other thing

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00:57:24,360 --> 00:57:28,040
Speaker 1: that they find out a lot of off the record meetings,

1140
00:57:28,280 --> 00:57:31,680
Speaker 1: closed events that it's very hard to even know these

1141
00:57:31,680 --> 00:57:34,240
Speaker 1: things are going on, where they have been accused in

1142
00:57:34,280 --> 00:57:36,680
Speaker 1: the past of giving out some like inside information that

1143
00:57:36,720 --> 00:57:39,320
Speaker 1: could help these banks in terms of how they position them. Well,

1144
00:57:39,360 --> 00:57:41,120
Speaker 1: the way they always build it is like, look, you

1145
00:57:41,120 --> 00:57:42,840
Speaker 1: know what the federal funds rate and the way that

1146
00:57:42,880 --> 00:57:45,040
Speaker 1: these access to the capital, Like there has to be

1147
00:57:45,080 --> 00:57:48,760
Speaker 1: close collaboration between the Fed and these financials just like yeah,

1148
00:57:48,880 --> 00:57:51,240
Speaker 1: you know, I could see it. And then what's very

1149
00:57:51,320 --> 00:57:53,880
Speaker 1: close collaboration with the American people then too, like we

1150
00:57:54,000 --> 00:57:56,480
Speaker 1: got to stick in this economy as well. This goes

1151
00:57:56,520 --> 00:57:59,640
Speaker 1: to the fundamental problem whicheah, they actually don't need Legally,

1152
00:57:59,640 --> 00:58:03,439
Speaker 1: they have no obligation to take in anything democratic at all.

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00:58:03,520 --> 00:58:07,200
Speaker 1: In fact, many times they use anti democratic language in

1154
00:58:07,280 --> 00:58:09,439
Speaker 1: order to make sure that they can pursue a course

1155
00:58:09,440 --> 00:58:11,480
Speaker 1: of action which they believe to be best, even if

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00:58:11,520 --> 00:58:13,440
Speaker 1: all of us don't have a say in that. That's

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00:58:13,440 --> 00:58:16,000
Speaker 1: the whole point of an independent central bank, which is,

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00:58:16,000 --> 00:58:18,720
Speaker 1: you know, it goes to a whole other more philosophical

1159
00:58:18,720 --> 00:58:23,200
Speaker 1: debate anyway, the point being that this is all maybe

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00:58:23,240 --> 00:58:25,760
Speaker 1: I'm the only one, but do you remember when Tim

1161
00:58:25,800 --> 00:58:29,760
Speaker 1: Geithner and the other officials at the Federal Reserve Bank

1162
00:58:29,760 --> 00:58:33,480
Speaker 1: of New York were literally brokering sales of various banks

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00:58:33,480 --> 00:58:35,920
Speaker 1: to each other. In the middle, I was like, am

1164
00:58:35,920 --> 00:58:40,120
Speaker 1: I insane for thinking it's inappropriate for a financial official

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00:58:40,160 --> 00:58:42,440
Speaker 1: to be brokering the sale of one bank to another?

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00:58:42,760 --> 00:58:45,680
Speaker 1: Or calling the CEO of like Merrill JP Morgan, I think,

1167
00:58:45,760 --> 00:58:47,200
Speaker 1: be like you need to buy a Chase Bank, like

1168
00:58:47,240 --> 00:58:48,880
Speaker 1: you need to bail us out? And I was like,

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00:58:48,960 --> 00:58:51,600
Speaker 1: this is totally insane. You know, is he making money

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00:58:51,600 --> 00:58:53,919
Speaker 1: for any of those companies right now? I don't answer

1171
00:58:53,960 --> 00:58:56,920
Speaker 1: that question. I read his book. It was an interesting one,

1172
00:58:57,040 --> 00:58:59,920
Speaker 1: and really what came out was the deep level of

1173
00:59:00,040 --> 00:59:03,520
Speaker 1: which him and all the global financial officials were integral

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00:59:03,680 --> 00:59:06,680
Speaker 1: in terms of coordinating specifically with the Remember that grand

1175
00:59:06,720 --> 00:59:09,480
Speaker 1: meeting with the nine banks, and I mean they that

1176
00:59:09,600 --> 00:59:11,960
Speaker 1: really was like a mask off moment of like, oh,

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00:59:12,080 --> 00:59:15,840
Speaker 1: like they really do control the whole economy, and collaboration

1178
00:59:16,040 --> 00:59:19,600
Speaker 1: with them, you know, does have tremendous effects on everybody

1179
00:59:19,720 --> 00:59:21,960
Speaker 1: terms oh yeah, who bails out who, and who buys

1180
00:59:22,280 --> 00:59:25,400
Speaker 1: what and to what effect? And guaranteed loans and you know,

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00:59:25,400 --> 00:59:26,880
Speaker 1: I don't remember any of that for a lot of

1182
00:59:26,880 --> 00:59:30,480
Speaker 1: people who lost their houses. So that's actually my main takeaway,

1183
00:59:30,480 --> 00:59:33,280
Speaker 1: which is that this just exposed is like further further

1184
00:59:33,680 --> 00:59:36,600
Speaker 1: rot in all of this further rot in the way

1185
00:59:36,600 --> 00:59:39,400
Speaker 1: that our financial system is fundamentally structure. That's right, and

1186
00:59:39,880 --> 00:59:43,720
Speaker 1: there is Okay, So during the coronavirus pandemic, when the

1187
00:59:43,760 --> 00:59:46,160
Speaker 1: crash happened and all of that was going on, I mean,

1188
00:59:46,160 --> 00:59:50,280
Speaker 1: it was really clear that there was this powerful institution

1189
00:59:50,760 --> 00:59:53,800
Speaker 1: there to backstop Wall Street that could turn on a

1190
00:59:53,960 --> 00:59:57,360
Speaker 1: dime and basically do what they wanted to fill the gaps,

1191
00:59:57,680 --> 00:59:59,480
Speaker 1: and then the rest of us are what left with

1192
00:59:59,520 --> 01:00:06,080
Speaker 1: this base like gridlocked, imperfect, messy process of operating through

1193
01:00:06,600 --> 01:00:10,360
Speaker 1: legislation with all the you know, problems entailed given how

1194
01:00:10,360 --> 01:00:13,880
Speaker 1: divided everything is now, and yet yeah, when Wall Street

1195
01:00:14,280 --> 01:00:17,240
Speaker 1: needs something, they're able to act on a dime with

1196
01:00:17,400 --> 01:00:21,520
Speaker 1: zero accountability, with zero sort of democratic input. And it,

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01:00:21,800 --> 01:00:26,360
Speaker 1: you know, in a time where you have democratic institutions functioning,

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01:00:26,840 --> 01:00:30,440
Speaker 1: that might work better than it does now, But when

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01:00:30,520 --> 01:00:34,160
Speaker 1: you have it the system so lopsided, that's when it

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01:00:34,240 --> 01:00:37,480
Speaker 1: really becomes such an incredible problem. The other thing that

1201
01:00:37,560 --> 01:00:40,439
Speaker 1: was really interesting to me about this report here from

1202
01:00:40,480 --> 01:00:44,280
Speaker 1: ken is they said that they talked to a bunch

1203
01:00:44,320 --> 01:00:47,320
Speaker 1: of experts who you know, are deeply steeped in the

1204
01:00:47,320 --> 01:00:49,840
Speaker 1: workings of the FED, financial markets and all of that stuff,

1205
01:00:50,000 --> 01:00:53,400
Speaker 1: who had no idea that this was even legal. This

1206
01:00:53,440 --> 01:00:56,280
Speaker 1: is how sort of like closely kept this ultimately is.

1207
01:00:56,520 --> 01:00:59,160
Speaker 1: And are all kinds of other loopholes that we've covered here,

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01:00:59,200 --> 01:01:02,280
Speaker 1: A number of FED scandals too, where these you know,

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01:01:02,440 --> 01:01:05,680
Speaker 1: powerful people who are you know, the head of a FED,

1210
01:01:05,800 --> 01:01:08,000
Speaker 1: the FED bank in Atlanta. I think it was, were

1211
01:01:08,040 --> 01:01:11,640
Speaker 1: being caught violating their ethics rules, who were training stocks

1212
01:01:11,680 --> 01:01:14,200
Speaker 1: when they're not supposed to all sorts of stuff. So

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01:01:14,600 --> 01:01:18,160
Speaker 1: they've got a major issue here, and it is astonishing

1214
01:01:18,400 --> 01:01:20,919
Speaker 1: that not only is this all going on, but there's

1215
01:01:21,040 --> 01:01:23,280
Speaker 1: so little discussion of it. This is the first report

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01:01:23,320 --> 01:01:25,920
Speaker 1: I have ever seen in the way that they're influenced

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01:01:25,920 --> 01:01:28,760
Speaker 1: by these actors. Yeah, I think that's it's really just

1218
01:01:28,880 --> 01:01:31,720
Speaker 1: a crazy takeaway. Okay, let's move on to one of

1219
01:01:31,760 --> 01:01:36,360
Speaker 1: my personal favorite stories, Bob Menendez, who was famously led

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01:01:36,360 --> 01:01:38,840
Speaker 1: off and acquitted for what I thought was a clear

1221
01:01:38,880 --> 01:01:41,880
Speaker 1: as day correct There was a mistrial, wasn't there, Yeah? Whatever,

1222
01:01:42,000 --> 01:01:43,760
Speaker 1: I mean, he was he got a mistrial, which was

1223
01:01:43,760 --> 01:01:47,960
Speaker 1: shocking the evidence was so clear on that scandal that

1224
01:01:48,040 --> 01:01:50,520
Speaker 1: it was insane that it even came to what it is.

1225
01:01:50,560 --> 01:01:53,800
Speaker 1: But whatever he was opened with well well and open

1226
01:01:53,920 --> 01:01:56,720
Speaker 1: arms back in the Senate Democratic Caucus. Retains his chairmanship,

1227
01:01:56,760 --> 01:01:59,200
Speaker 1: which I also think is amazing. So let's put this

1228
01:01:59,280 --> 01:02:02,960
Speaker 1: up there on the screen. He is under investigation again

1229
01:02:03,520 --> 01:02:09,720
Speaker 1: actually around similar corruption and bribery charges from twenty and seventeen,

1230
01:02:10,040 --> 01:02:13,840
Speaker 1: two years after the twenty and fifteen incident. Just to

1231
01:02:13,880 --> 01:02:16,760
Speaker 1: remind people about what it was. It was a doctor

1232
01:02:16,760 --> 01:02:19,680
Speaker 1: who provided flights on a private jet. This is all

1233
01:02:19,800 --> 01:02:24,440
Speaker 1: verified and vacations in exchange for Governor or Senator Menendez's

1234
01:02:24,520 --> 01:02:29,000
Speaker 1: help getting government contracts and other public favors. His defense

1235
01:02:29,280 --> 01:02:31,120
Speaker 1: was that they were simply good friends and he was

1236
01:02:31,160 --> 01:02:33,880
Speaker 1: doing it for that reason, not because of the quid

1237
01:02:33,880 --> 01:02:37,960
Speaker 1: pro quo with the government flights. Well, and I'm like, okay,

1238
01:02:37,960 --> 01:02:41,000
Speaker 1: both is bad. Right. The interesting thing too, is this

1239
01:02:41,000 --> 01:02:45,640
Speaker 1: this dude, the eye doctor. He was actually pardoned by Trump. Yes,

1240
01:02:45,720 --> 01:02:47,560
Speaker 1: this was a dude who is you know, he was

1241
01:02:47,800 --> 01:02:51,520
Speaker 1: an operator. He wasn't like a partisan actor. It was

1242
01:02:51,560 --> 01:02:54,120
Speaker 1: one of these that was playing both sides. The wheeler dealer. Yeah,

1243
01:02:54,120 --> 01:02:55,880
Speaker 1: I get what he wanted out of whatever what he

1244
01:02:55,920 --> 01:02:58,440
Speaker 1: wanted out of the situation. So yeah, it was Trump

1245
01:02:58,440 --> 01:03:01,920
Speaker 1: that actually pardoned this guy. That Menendez isn't tangled right,

1246
01:03:01,960 --> 01:03:04,200
Speaker 1: So the exact situation here is not known. What we

1247
01:03:04,280 --> 01:03:06,400
Speaker 1: do know is that in twenty seventeen, there is a

1248
01:03:06,480 --> 01:03:08,840
Speaker 1: new inquiry into a very similar case about a quid

1249
01:03:08,840 --> 01:03:12,440
Speaker 1: pro quo between Menendez and another rich individual. This public

1250
01:03:12,480 --> 01:03:16,400
Speaker 1: corruption case is similarly being investigated by the Southern District

1251
01:03:16,680 --> 01:03:20,240
Speaker 1: of New York. It was also verified after Semaphore broke

1252
01:03:20,360 --> 01:03:23,200
Speaker 1: the scoop open by ABC News and other outlets. Just

1253
01:03:23,240 --> 01:03:26,280
Speaker 1: put this up there on the screen. The federal prosecutors

1254
01:03:26,320 --> 01:03:30,320
Speaker 1: in Manhattan are looking up into more corruption allegations from

1255
01:03:30,400 --> 01:03:34,160
Speaker 1: twenty seventeen after having that mistrial in the twenty fifteen

1256
01:03:34,240 --> 01:03:38,640
Speaker 1: allegation case. But I mean, look as to whether this

1257
01:03:38,800 --> 01:03:40,959
Speaker 1: is going to work out, Crystal, I'm just not sure

1258
01:03:41,040 --> 01:03:43,880
Speaker 1: because so much trust in the public corruption unit was

1259
01:03:43,920 --> 01:03:47,960
Speaker 1: actually lost in this trial. Because Menendez, for everything that

1260
01:03:48,000 --> 01:03:50,240
Speaker 1: we can say about him, is still tremendously popular in

1261
01:03:50,240 --> 01:03:53,600
Speaker 1: the state of New Jersey. He effectively weaponized his like

1262
01:03:53,680 --> 01:03:57,040
Speaker 1: status in the state. This is real, his serious Jersey stuff.

1263
01:03:57,080 --> 01:03:58,960
Speaker 1: Like he was like, look how much I've done for you, Like,

1264
01:03:59,000 --> 01:04:01,080
Speaker 1: look how much I've done for the people New Jersey,

1265
01:04:01,120 --> 01:04:02,920
Speaker 1: like you guys like that train station and all this

1266
01:04:03,000 --> 01:04:06,160
Speaker 1: money flown in here. I've got rank and which he does.

1267
01:04:06,200 --> 01:04:08,680
Speaker 1: You know, he certainly is a powerful man and Washington

1268
01:04:08,800 --> 01:04:11,760
Speaker 1: and that is basically how he got off in this trial.

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01:04:12,120 --> 01:04:15,440
Speaker 1: So he's very likely to use the same playbook. And

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01:04:15,480 --> 01:04:19,640
Speaker 1: the fact that he was already already effectively beat them

1271
01:04:19,640 --> 01:04:22,160
Speaker 1: in court once shows you that, you know, he's got

1272
01:04:22,160 --> 01:04:25,320
Speaker 1: a tremendous legal strategy to try and do it again.

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Speaker 1: So I don't know how this is going to work out.

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Speaker 1: But yeah, well he has yet he's investigating, he has

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Speaker 1: the presumption of innocence. I'm just telling you, like he

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Speaker 1: does not dispute accepting those private flights. Yeah, no, you

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Speaker 1: know what I mean. Necessarily, I'm just saying, like, they

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Speaker 1: haven't even gotten to the point of indicting him, so

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Speaker 1: it's not even clear he's going to have to defend

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Speaker 1: himself in a trial. We'll wait and see. But yeah,

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Speaker 1: I guess people in Jersey are like, well, he might

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Speaker 1: be a crook, but he's our But he's our crook.

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Speaker 1: I mean, there is some admiration for that, so I

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Speaker 1: get it very Jersey. It goes back to Tammany Hall.

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Speaker 1: A lot of people also have a vibe of like, well,

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Speaker 1: they're all probably really crooks. Yeah, yes, this is a

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Speaker 1: special level, which is no doubt about it. There's something

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Speaker 1: gives me pleasure when I'm bored a flight and I

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Speaker 1: see a senator like in the back of the plane,

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Speaker 1: even though he's worth like a couple million dollars, because

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Speaker 1: I'm like, you know, he should know because they do it,

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Speaker 1: by the way, because they know better, because they're like, well,

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Speaker 1: if you're flying first classic all this you get pictured

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01:05:18,840 --> 01:05:22,320
Speaker 1: in that they should at least be expected to, you know,

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Speaker 1: operate in the veneer of some respectability, like to be

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Speaker 1: so brazen as to accept lavish vacations and private flights

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Speaker 1: and then outright do favors on their behalf and then

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Speaker 1: have your defense just be he was a buddy of mine,

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Speaker 1: not direct corruption. Right. Well, we should also like it's

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Speaker 1: actually hard to get indicted for correct, Yes, yes, because

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Speaker 1: the laws are so lax. As I hope we've covered

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Speaker 1: here extensively, Like the way these members of Congress are

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01:05:51,560 --> 01:05:54,400
Speaker 1: constantly meaning with donors doing their biding. Oh, it just

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01:05:54,400 --> 01:05:56,920
Speaker 1: so happens that I'm also really interested in this super

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01:05:56,960 --> 01:05:59,320
Speaker 1: specific issue that this person who gave me ten thousand

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Speaker 1: dollars and so also be interested. I mean like it like, uh,

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01:06:03,160 --> 01:06:07,280
Speaker 1: what's his face? Bob McDonald in Virginia who was convicted

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01:06:07,920 --> 01:06:10,600
Speaker 1: and then ultimately let off. Because you have to almost

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01:06:10,760 --> 01:06:13,240
Speaker 1: literally based on the way the law and the like

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01:06:13,600 --> 01:06:16,560
Speaker 1: the interpretation of the laws, you have to almost literally

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01:06:16,640 --> 01:06:19,920
Speaker 1: like take a bag of cash and say, I am

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01:06:20,000 --> 01:06:23,360
Speaker 1: taking this cash because I'm going to do this favor

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01:06:23,520 --> 01:06:27,200
Speaker 1: for you directly. Like it has to be super super direct.

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01:06:27,600 --> 01:06:29,680
Speaker 1: So to even get to that level where they're going

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01:06:29,760 --> 01:06:32,240
Speaker 1: to indict you for it is you know, you did

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01:06:32,240 --> 01:06:36,960
Speaker 1: something extra special in terms of the Washington the Washington

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Speaker 1: Swamp to get to that level. Totally agree, all right,

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Speaker 1: Sacher Reliant, Well, I mostly have not cared about COVID

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01:06:44,960 --> 01:06:47,120
Speaker 1: for like a year now. Occasionally I would be reminded

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01:06:47,160 --> 01:06:49,400
Speaker 1: of how dumb our policy was when blue cities refuse

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01:06:49,440 --> 01:06:51,840
Speaker 1: to drop mask mandates and uber rides, but by and

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01:06:51,920 --> 01:06:53,960
Speaker 1: large I moved on. Every Once in a while, you

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01:06:53,960 --> 01:06:55,680
Speaker 1: see someone in a cannon and five in the grocery

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01:06:55,680 --> 01:06:57,919
Speaker 1: store and you think, wow, that's kind of wacky, but look,

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01:06:58,120 --> 01:07:00,440
Speaker 1: it's their life. They can do whatever they want. If

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Speaker 1: you look at the data, I'm solidly where most people are.

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Speaker 1: We just don't care anymore. We don't think about it.

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Speaker 1: That's why what just happened to the White House was

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01:07:07,360 --> 01:07:09,760
Speaker 1: so bizarre. It was like a TV screen into a

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01:07:09,800 --> 01:07:13,200
Speaker 1: different universe. When President Biden got his fifth I repeat

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01:07:13,240 --> 01:07:16,440
Speaker 1: fifth coronavirus shot in the last two years and encouraged

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01:07:16,520 --> 01:07:19,680
Speaker 1: literally everyone to do the same and issued this stark warning,

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Speaker 1: let's take a listen, So take precautions, stay safe. You

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01:07:23,800 --> 01:07:26,439
Speaker 1: can spend Thanksgiving with family and friends with a peace

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01:07:26,520 --> 01:07:29,880
Speaker 1: of mind knowing that you've done your part for everyone's

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Speaker 1: well being. My administration is doing our part. We've made

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Speaker 1: these update vaccines easy to get and available for free

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Speaker 1: at tens of thousands of convenient locations. Once your reaction

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01:07:43,360 --> 01:07:51,960
Speaker 1: to the sais on oil urging you guys. Matthews certainly

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Speaker 1: think he was a stay Croy York tour with draws

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01:07:54,480 --> 01:07:58,680
Speaker 1: man for vaccan. So again, you think you stay in

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01:07:58,800 --> 01:08:05,000
Speaker 1: the order to draw Zack Dad, No, I don't think

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Speaker 1: that's a local judgment. Thank you. Lots of unpacked there.

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Speaker 1: Fifth time President Biden received the COVID shot on camera

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01:08:13,080 --> 01:08:16,040
Speaker 1: with rhetoric reminiscent of the early days of twenty twenty one.

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Speaker 1: That's actually what strikes me the most about this. Since

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01:08:18,479 --> 01:08:20,960
Speaker 1: twenty twenty one, we learned about CODE, a lot about COVID,

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01:08:21,000 --> 01:08:24,479
Speaker 1: about the efficacy of vaccination, of boosters of omicron, and more,

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01:08:24,760 --> 01:08:27,280
Speaker 1: and yet the Biden administration continues to stick with the

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01:08:27,360 --> 01:08:31,080
Speaker 1: unscientific notion that getting the omicron booster after already getting

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01:08:31,080 --> 01:08:34,439
Speaker 1: four other shots somehow protects other people that you might

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Speaker 1: be around at Thanksgiving. Now, look, I honestly ignored the

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01:08:37,720 --> 01:08:40,160
Speaker 1: news of the omicron booster like most of you. A

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01:08:40,240 --> 01:08:43,120
Speaker 1: month after it's so called rollout, only four percent of

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01:08:43,160 --> 01:08:45,720
Speaker 1: the US public had even gotten one. All of us

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01:08:45,800 --> 01:08:48,080
Speaker 1: basically moved on. But now though the White House is

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01:08:48,120 --> 01:08:50,320
Speaker 1: pushing it so hard, we've got to delve into just

1358
01:08:50,320 --> 01:08:52,960
Speaker 1: how crazy the approval process of this shot was, what

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01:08:53,080 --> 01:08:55,559
Speaker 1: it actually does, and why the further push for the

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01:08:55,600 --> 01:08:59,760
Speaker 1: fifth shot will likely kill other public vaccination campaigns for

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Speaker 1: a long time. Let's start with the latest booster itself.

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Speaker 1: What exactly is the omicron booster. The medical term is

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01:09:06,280 --> 01:09:09,680
Speaker 1: a bivalent vaccine, which means it contains a mix of

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Speaker 1: mRNA from the original COVID strain and the omicron variant.

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Speaker 1: The theory behind it is the updated shot will give

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Speaker 1: people more protection against omicron as it remains the dominant

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Speaker 1: circulating form of the virus across the world. Except there

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Speaker 1: are big problems in how this shot was even approved

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Speaker 1: in the first place. As doctor and MPH David mckun

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Speaker 1: writes in doctor Vine Prossad's Excellent Sensible Medicine magazine, the

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Speaker 1: bivalin booster shot was approved by the CDC and the

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Speaker 1: FDA with no data from human trials. In fact, Pfeiser

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01:09:39,520 --> 01:09:42,360
Speaker 1: presented its version of the bivalin booster to the board

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01:09:42,520 --> 01:09:46,479
Speaker 1: with data literally from eight mice. Worse, the study on

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Speaker 1: the mice had finished on the very same day that

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Speaker 1: they're even presenting the slide, with not one shred of

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Speaker 1: data to provide prevention of severe disease. Peiser claimed the

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Speaker 1: vaccine reliably raised antibodies, but said even in my quote,

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Speaker 1: there was no correlate of protection against covid. HM David

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Speaker 1: mccun continues, there was no safety data used to approve

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Speaker 1: this vaccine quote literally none, he continues, quote. The committee

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Speaker 1: was uneasy but ultimately chose to learn about any new

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Speaker 1: side effects after the rollout. So in conclusion, he notes

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Speaker 1: quote in choosing an untested new vaccine combination, the FDA

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Speaker 1: opted for speed over evidence in the hope of providing

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Speaker 1: protection from current and future variances. They discussed an ongoing

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Speaker 1: series of boosters, with no clear metrics as to how

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Speaker 1: and when this should end. He adds that all we

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Speaker 1: really know about these shots is that a BA five

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Speaker 1: bivelin vaccine raised antibody levels and in eight mice who

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Speaker 1: received it and lived long enough to have their blood drawn.

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Speaker 1: Anything more is speculation. This is a scandal of epic proportions.

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Speaker 1: How does this get approved widely for the entire general population?

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Speaker 1: David McCune continues that in August he had actually wrote

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Speaker 1: that in August of twenty twenty two, and on the

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Speaker 1: very same day that Joe Biden, the CDC and the

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Speaker 1: FDA just asks us all to take these latest booster shots.

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Speaker 1: Researchers at Columbia University and the University of Michigan found

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Speaker 1: that the bivalent booster failed to raise levels of protective

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Speaker 1: antibodies against omicron variant any more so than the previous

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Speaker 1: four shots. The finding directly contradicts findings from both Maderna

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01:11:26,360 --> 01:11:29,000
Speaker 1: and Pfizer which were published two weeks ago, which claimed

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Speaker 1: that they had early positive data to show protection against omicron,

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01:11:32,840 --> 01:11:35,320
Speaker 1: and yet they claimed it on data that was based

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01:11:35,360 --> 01:11:39,280
Speaker 1: off of just seven days after after vaccination. Columbia's study

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01:11:39,320 --> 01:11:43,120
Speaker 1: looked three to five weeks out. Furthermore, many might have noticed,

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Speaker 1: as doctor Pisad did, that the freaking CDC director Rachelle

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01:11:46,720 --> 01:11:51,120
Speaker 1: Wolenski just got COVID this week, literally only one month

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Speaker 1: after getting the so called bivalent booster. As doctor Prosad

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Speaker 1: concludes from this episode quote, before we launch massive vaccination campaigns,

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01:12:00,080 --> 01:12:02,519
Speaker 1: we need good evidence that they actually benefit the people

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01:12:02,600 --> 01:12:06,040
Speaker 1: we are tasked with protecting and caring. Rachelle Wilenski's infection

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01:12:06,160 --> 01:12:08,720
Speaker 1: is a reminder to the American people she doesn't know

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01:12:08,760 --> 01:12:11,040
Speaker 1: what she's talking about because she has not asked for

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01:12:11,080 --> 01:12:14,439
Speaker 1: good evidence. Consider all the information I just gave you

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Speaker 1: in the context of the President's proclamation that we should

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01:12:17,360 --> 01:12:20,200
Speaker 1: all rush to get this booster, which has no data

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01:12:20,240 --> 01:12:22,080
Speaker 1: to show that it will do a damn thing in

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Speaker 1: protecting people around you this Thanksgiving, And to be clear,

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Speaker 1: I'm not saying you shouldn't get this booster. If you're obese,

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Speaker 1: if you're old, or if you immunal compromise, maybe it

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01:12:30,840 --> 01:12:33,479
Speaker 1: makes sense you should talk to your doctor. Or you

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01:12:33,520 --> 01:12:35,160
Speaker 1: can also do what I and many of us did

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01:12:35,160 --> 01:12:37,200
Speaker 1: in the pandemic. You can lose some weight, You could

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01:12:37,240 --> 01:12:39,320
Speaker 1: go to the gym. You can reduce your alcohol consumption,

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01:12:39,479 --> 01:12:41,640
Speaker 1: and you won't just be better protected against COVID, you

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01:12:41,640 --> 01:12:44,400
Speaker 1: will reduce your likely all cause mortality and feel much

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01:12:44,439 --> 01:12:46,800
Speaker 1: better every day of your life. As the Washington Posts

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Speaker 1: so hilariously put it just two days ago, quote, regular

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Speaker 1: exercise may improve the effectiveness of the coronavirus vaccine. Can't

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01:12:54,400 --> 01:12:57,480
Speaker 1: help but laugh at that one. How about regular exercise

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01:12:57,520 --> 01:13:00,719
Speaker 1: may improve your health across the board? Regardless. The population

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01:13:00,800 --> 01:13:03,360
Speaker 1: wide study in South Africa the piece was based on

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01:13:03,640 --> 01:13:06,559
Speaker 1: found that people who exercise were far less likely than

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01:13:06,560 --> 01:13:09,839
Speaker 1: those who were sedentary to be hospitalized for COVID period.

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01:13:10,160 --> 01:13:14,040
Speaker 1: That data holds for almost everything from diabetes to heart disease,

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01:13:14,280 --> 01:13:17,720
Speaker 1: general acts and pains depression. I can continue forever if

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Speaker 1: you really want to protect the people around you. On Thanksgiving,

1439
01:13:20,120 --> 01:13:22,559
Speaker 1: here's my advice, which is actually backed up by science.

1440
01:13:22,720 --> 01:13:24,599
Speaker 1: Sign up for a turkey trot, and don't be one

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01:13:24,640 --> 01:13:26,479
Speaker 1: of the millions of Americans who add weight during the

1442
01:13:26,479 --> 01:13:29,160
Speaker 1: holidays only to never lose it over the course of

1443
01:13:29,200 --> 01:13:32,479
Speaker 1: your life. Look, it may not be fun, but listen

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01:13:32,680 --> 01:13:35,240
Speaker 1: and look, and if you want to hear my reaction

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Speaker 1: to Cyber's monologue, become a premium subscriber today at Breakingpoints

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Speaker 1: dot com. Chrystal, what are you taking a look at? Well? Guys,

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Speaker 1: where do I even begin with the sad story that

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Speaker 1: is now the retracted Progressive Caucus letter on Ukraine. This

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01:13:51,320 --> 01:13:55,479
Speaker 1: one incidents managed to encapsulate the efecklessness of the elected Left,

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01:13:55,680 --> 01:13:58,960
Speaker 1: the total crushing of all descent on our policy towards Ukraine,

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01:13:59,080 --> 01:14:03,360
Speaker 1: and the extreamely dangerous situation that we all find ourselves

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Speaker 1: in with regard to a potential armaghetting. Let's review the

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01:14:06,720 --> 01:14:10,240
Speaker 1: whole humiliating affair, shall we? So? On Monday thirty, members

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Speaker 1: of the Congressional Progressive Caucus released a carefully crafted letter,

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Speaker 1: including the mildest possible critique of the Biden approach to

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Speaker 1: Russia's war in Ukraine. Letter went to great pains to

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Speaker 1: explain Russia is the bad guy that we should be

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Speaker 1: deferential to Ukraine and that eddy settlement must protect a

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Speaker 1: free and independent Ukraine, they argued in that letter quite reasonably,

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Speaker 1: in my opinion that quote, given the destruction created by

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Speaker 1: this war for Ukraine and the world, as well as

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Speaker 1: the risk of catastrophic escalation, we also believe it is

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Speaker 1: in the interests of Ukraine, the US, and the world

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Speaker 1: to avoid a prolonged conflict. For this reason, we urge

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Speaker 1: you to pair the military and economic support the US

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Speaker 1: has provided to Ukraine with a proactive diplomatic push, redoubling

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Speaker 1: efforts to seek a realistic framework for a ceasefire. How

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Speaker 1: can you even disagree with that? Yet, in response to

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Speaker 1: this very mild statement in favor of diplomacy, the liberal

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Speaker 1: commentariat unleashed Holy hell on every one of these members.

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Speaker 1: They were pro potent stooges, they were ignorant, they had

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Speaker 1: a colonialist mentality, and the worst sin of all, they

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Speaker 1: were accused of making common cause with Marjorie Taylor Green

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Speaker 1: and Kevin McCarthy. Well. Almost immediately, Progressive Caucus co chair

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Speaker 1: Promila Giapol issued a sniveling correction, insisting that actually the

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Speaker 1: letter really meant absolutely nothing at all, and within hours

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Speaker 1: she had fully retracted the letter. As if that wasn't

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Speaker 1: bad enough, she decided to throw her staff under the

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Speaker 1: bus in an absolutely cowardly attempt to deflect any sort

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Speaker 1: of blame for the blowback. In her statement retracting letter,

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Speaker 1: Gipol claimed that the letter had been quote drafted several

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Speaker 1: months ago, but unfortunately was released by staff without vetting.

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Speaker 1: Give me a break. This is an obvious, bold faced lie.

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01:15:56,840 --> 01:15:59,720
Speaker 1: It is ridiculous to imagine a bunch of staffers went

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01:15:59,800 --> 01:16:02,840
Speaker 1: rowug and we're out freelancing on this, forging signatures in

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01:16:02,920 --> 01:16:05,120
Speaker 1: secret or something. I really don't even know what that

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01:16:05,160 --> 01:16:08,320
Speaker 1: would mean. It is so ridiculous not to mention. Diapaul

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01:16:08,360 --> 01:16:11,280
Speaker 1: herself gave a quote to The Washington Post upon the

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01:16:11,360 --> 01:16:14,479
Speaker 1: letter's release indicating that there was a clearly choreographed and

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01:16:14,560 --> 01:16:18,439
Speaker 1: intentional effort to release this letter at this particular moment.

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01:16:18,720 --> 01:16:22,479
Speaker 1: Politico reports what was already blatantly obvious quote. A source

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01:16:22,520 --> 01:16:27,080
Speaker 1: familiar with the situation told Politico that Gapaul personally approved

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01:16:27,080 --> 01:16:31,120
Speaker 1: the letter's release on Monday. No shit, you see, Diapaul

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01:16:31,160 --> 01:16:33,200
Speaker 1: is rumored to be angling for a leadership role, and

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01:16:33,320 --> 01:16:36,040
Speaker 1: even the hint that she was crosswise with Democratic Party

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01:16:36,080 --> 01:16:39,719
Speaker 1: elite orthodoxy was apparently enough for her to immediately supplicate

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01:16:39,760 --> 01:16:43,519
Speaker 1: herself to the party bosses and shamefully blame her workers.

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01:16:43,800 --> 01:16:48,040
Speaker 1: Imagine being unwilling to hold your position on something as

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01:16:48,160 --> 01:16:52,400
Speaker 1: truly existential as nuclear war because you want to preserve

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01:16:52,439 --> 01:16:55,120
Speaker 1: your ability to climb up in the swamp, and took

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01:16:55,160 --> 01:16:57,840
Speaker 1: some heat from a bunch of idiots on Twitter. It

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01:16:57,960 --> 01:17:01,240
Speaker 1: is so pathetic. I have no words for it. For

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01:17:01,280 --> 01:17:04,479
Speaker 1: this reason and plenty of others, Giapaul has got to

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01:17:04,520 --> 01:17:07,320
Speaker 1: go as Progressive Caucus Chair, but it's not like there

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01:17:07,320 --> 01:17:10,240
Speaker 1: was much courage to be found elsewhere. Bernie Sanders also

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01:17:10,320 --> 01:17:12,200
Speaker 1: chimed in to trash the letter, which he had never

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01:17:12,240 --> 01:17:15,000
Speaker 1: been a signatory on. As of this writing, there is

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01:17:15,040 --> 01:17:18,719
Speaker 1: precisely one Democrat who was willing to defend the staff

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01:17:18,800 --> 01:17:20,960
Speaker 1: and stand by the contents of the letter. That would

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Speaker 1: be Congressman Roe kana Well. Congress from a giapaulsam To

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01:17:24,240 --> 01:17:27,120
Speaker 1: suggests that this letter was a mistake. It was drafted,

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01:17:27,200 --> 01:17:30,720
Speaker 1: signed several months ago, and she's rescinded it. Do you

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01:17:30,800 --> 01:17:33,080
Speaker 1: not support that move? I don't. I think the letter

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01:17:33,200 --> 01:17:35,920
Speaker 1: was common sense. I support, I support making sure we

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01:17:36,120 --> 01:17:39,600
Speaker 1: arm Ukraine and provide arms to Ukraine and continue to

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01:17:39,640 --> 01:17:43,240
Speaker 1: fund it. But I also believe that the president, as

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01:17:43,280 --> 01:17:45,439
Speaker 1: he said, we're at a risk of nuclear word, don't

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01:17:45,479 --> 01:17:48,240
Speaker 1: you think our counterpart should be talking to Russia? Of

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01:17:48,280 --> 01:17:51,240
Speaker 1: course they should to make sure that it doesn't escalate.

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01:17:51,560 --> 01:17:54,960
Speaker 1: And you know, my position is similar to what former

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01:17:55,040 --> 01:17:58,080
Speaker 1: Joint Chiefs Chief of Sam Mullen has said, what other

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01:17:58,160 --> 01:18:01,200
Speaker 1: senior military leaders have said. Yes, yes, let's stand with Ukraine,

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01:18:01,320 --> 01:18:04,320
Speaker 1: but let's also support diplomacy. See now there's an argument

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01:18:04,360 --> 01:18:07,080
Speaker 1: that conson Kana's position actually doesn't go far enough that

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01:18:07,120 --> 01:18:08,920
Speaker 1: at this point for their aid to Ukraine should be

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01:18:09,000 --> 01:18:11,960
Speaker 1: conditioned directly on talks and a genuine effort to end

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01:18:11,960 --> 01:18:14,600
Speaker 1: this war. But the really stunning thing to me is

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01:18:14,640 --> 01:18:18,240
Speaker 1: that Conna's view, which is apparently considered totally out of

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01:18:18,280 --> 01:18:22,040
Speaker 1: bounds by party electeds and by the liberal commentariat, that

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01:18:22,200 --> 01:18:26,240
Speaker 1: is the majority mainstream view of the American public. It's

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01:18:26,360 --> 01:18:29,240
Speaker 1: very clear. According to a Quincy Institute Data for Progress poll,

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01:18:29,520 --> 01:18:33,360
Speaker 1: fifty seven percent of American support diplomatic negotiations as soon

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01:18:33,360 --> 01:18:36,680
Speaker 1: as possible to end the war in Ukraine, even if

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01:18:36,680 --> 01:18:41,000
Speaker 1: it requires Ukraine making compromises with Russia. That position actually

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01:18:41,160 --> 01:18:44,719
Speaker 1: arguably goes further than the position of that now retracted letter,

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01:18:44,840 --> 01:18:47,200
Speaker 1: which didn't actually specify that we should be willing to

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01:18:47,280 --> 01:18:51,360
Speaker 1: compromise with Russia, and almost half of respondence forty seven percent,

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01:18:51,479 --> 01:18:54,839
Speaker 1: went much further than the letter, explicitly saying we should

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01:18:54,960 --> 01:18:58,360
Speaker 1: only send further aid if we are engaged in diplomacy

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01:18:58,400 --> 01:19:02,519
Speaker 1: to try to end the war. Actually, today, the fringe

1541
01:19:02,600 --> 01:19:05,320
Speaker 1: view is the one you see commonly espoused on Twitter

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01:19:05,520 --> 01:19:07,880
Speaker 1: and on cable news, which is that the US needs

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01:19:07,920 --> 01:19:10,839
Speaker 1: to send even more aid to Ukraine. Back in March,

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01:19:11,000 --> 01:19:12,840
Speaker 1: forty two percent of the public said we were not

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01:19:12,880 --> 01:19:16,639
Speaker 1: providing enough support. That number has fallen precipitously in today's

1546
01:19:16,640 --> 01:19:20,960
Speaker 1: stands at just eighteen percent. I cannot tell you how

1547
01:19:21,000 --> 01:19:24,320
Speaker 1: incredibly disturbing and dangerous it is that as we face

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01:19:24,360 --> 01:19:28,120
Speaker 1: down the possibility of continued escalation up to and including

1549
01:19:28,120 --> 01:19:31,759
Speaker 1: the possibility of a nuclear war, there is literally zero

1550
01:19:31,840 --> 01:19:34,719
Speaker 1: room for descent in the party that is now in power.

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01:19:35,080 --> 01:19:38,759
Speaker 1: Even as the president openly admits that we face potential

1552
01:19:38,840 --> 01:19:42,320
Speaker 1: nuclear armageddon, you are not allowed to disagree with their

1553
01:19:42,360 --> 01:19:45,080
Speaker 1: current posture of endless word a week in Russian by

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01:19:45,200 --> 01:19:50,040
Speaker 1: even one millimeter. This is madness, and it all stems

1555
01:19:50,080 --> 01:19:52,760
Speaker 1: from a legacy of Russia Gate derangement and fear of

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01:19:52,760 --> 01:19:55,320
Speaker 1: appearing like, oh my god, you might agree with a

1557
01:19:55,320 --> 01:19:58,280
Speaker 1: Republican on something that was maybe to me the most

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01:19:58,280 --> 01:20:01,479
Speaker 1: disturbing part of Gyapaul's retract statements. She wrote, quote the

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01:20:01,520 --> 01:20:05,760
Speaker 1: proximity of these statements created the unfortunate appearance that Democrats

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01:20:05,800 --> 01:20:08,920
Speaker 1: are somehow aligned with Republicans who seek to pull the

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01:20:08,960 --> 01:20:12,519
Speaker 1: plug on American support for President Zelenski and the Ukrainian forces.

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01:20:13,000 --> 01:20:16,360
Speaker 1: It is so incredibly grim that we have become such

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01:20:16,400 --> 01:20:20,559
Speaker 1: an unseious country that our leaders base their views on

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01:20:20,640 --> 01:20:23,639
Speaker 1: matters as important as war and peace, life and death,

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01:20:23,960 --> 01:20:27,200
Speaker 1: on whatever happens to be the opposite of what Marjorie

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01:20:27,240 --> 01:20:30,080
Speaker 1: Taylor Green just said. Why would you hand a person

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01:20:30,120 --> 01:20:32,880
Speaker 1: like Marjorie Taylor Green so much power over your own

1568
01:20:32,920 --> 01:20:35,640
Speaker 1: thoughts and your own actions. Why would you succumb to

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01:20:35,720 --> 01:20:40,800
Speaker 1: this extreme partisan derangement. Bronco Marcha teach points out on

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01:20:40,840 --> 01:20:43,240
Speaker 1: Twitter that this is a stark contrast from the last

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01:20:43,280 --> 01:20:46,720
Speaker 1: similar nuclear brinksmanship that was the Cuban missile crisis. I've

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01:20:46,720 --> 01:20:49,439
Speaker 1: spent the past couple of weeks he writes, reading US

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01:20:49,479 --> 01:20:51,880
Speaker 1: press coverage of the Cuban missile crisis at the time,

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01:20:52,160 --> 01:20:55,000
Speaker 1: and it's hard to really articulate how extreme and unhinged

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01:20:55,000 --> 01:20:58,120
Speaker 1: today's media discourse is by comparison, even as we similarly

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01:20:58,160 --> 01:21:02,160
Speaker 1: inch toward nuclear catastrophe. As one example, four days into

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01:21:02,200 --> 01:21:04,840
Speaker 1: the crisis, there were widespread reports that JFK was open

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01:21:04,920 --> 01:21:07,640
Speaker 1: to meeting talking with Khrushchev when he was visiting the

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01:21:07,720 --> 01:21:10,160
Speaker 1: US for a UN summit. That was thought pretty normal.

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01:21:10,400 --> 01:21:14,000
Speaker 1: Today a Biden putin meeting is a political non starter,

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01:21:14,080 --> 01:21:16,840
Speaker 1: That's what he wrote. I suspect that his winner sets in,

1582
01:21:16,920 --> 01:21:20,120
Speaker 1: and the grim reality of energy crises and endless war

1583
01:21:20,400 --> 01:21:24,040
Speaker 1: also sets in. Rokanna and others who are urging diplomacy

1584
01:21:24,120 --> 01:21:26,880
Speaker 1: are going to appear pression that the American public will

1585
01:21:26,960 --> 01:21:30,960
Speaker 1: be even more undeniably behind them. Let's just all hope

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01:21:31,040 --> 01:21:33,680
Speaker 1: that we make it until then. And Sager, there is

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01:21:33,720 --> 01:21:36,439
Speaker 1: so much I am disgusted with about this one. And

1588
01:21:36,479 --> 01:21:39,160
Speaker 1: if you want to hear my reaction to Crystal's monologue,

1589
01:21:39,160 --> 01:21:45,080
Speaker 1: become a premium subscriber today at breakingpoints dot Com, Biden

1590
01:21:45,080 --> 01:21:48,960
Speaker 1: administration being sued because of their refusal to release in

1591
01:21:49,000 --> 01:21:53,200
Speaker 1: a timely fashion records related to the assassination of JFK.

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01:21:53,360 --> 01:21:54,800
Speaker 1: Let's go ahead and put this up on the screen.

1593
01:21:54,800 --> 01:21:58,080
Speaker 1: This from NBC News. The headline is what are they hiding?

1594
01:21:58,280 --> 01:22:02,759
Speaker 1: Group sus Biden and National Arts Archives over JFK assassination records.

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01:22:02,800 --> 01:22:04,920
Speaker 1: As a reminder of the JFK Records Act, which was

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01:22:04,920 --> 01:22:08,000
Speaker 1: signed into law by Bill Clinton, required the documents to

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01:22:08,000 --> 01:22:11,439
Speaker 1: be made available by October of twenty seventeen, President Trump

1598
01:22:11,479 --> 01:22:13,799
Speaker 1: sort of kicked the ball down the road to Biden.

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01:22:13,880 --> 01:22:17,400
Speaker 1: Biden has continued to push forward the date when those

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01:22:17,439 --> 01:22:20,040
Speaker 1: records will be released, raising a lot of questions about

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01:22:20,080 --> 01:22:22,839
Speaker 1: what it is that they are so worried about revealing.

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Speaker 1: Join us. Now, we have a guest who was actually

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01:22:25,120 --> 01:22:27,040
Speaker 1: quoted in that article who caught my attention. He is

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01:22:27,080 --> 01:22:30,880
Speaker 1: a former CIA agent and actually former Moscow station chief,

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01:22:31,560 --> 01:22:34,160
Speaker 1: Ralph Mowatt Larcen. He's also senior fellow at the Belfer

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01:22:34,160 --> 01:22:37,160
Speaker 1: Center at the Harvard Kennedy School. Great to have you, sir, Welcome,

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01:22:37,200 --> 01:22:39,320
Speaker 1: good to see sir. It's good to be here. Thank you.

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Speaker 1: So you had a quote in that article and you

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01:22:42,240 --> 01:22:44,920
Speaker 1: lay down, you know, based on your long history and

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01:22:44,960 --> 01:22:47,400
Speaker 1: experience with the agency. What you think is the most

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01:22:47,520 --> 01:22:50,559
Speaker 1: plausible explanation of who was behind the plot to cale

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01:22:50,640 --> 01:22:52,559
Speaker 1: Ken and now read your quote here and then you

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01:22:52,600 --> 01:22:55,200
Speaker 1: can sort of elaborate. You say, what I think happened

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01:22:55,200 --> 01:22:58,080
Speaker 1: in a nutshell is that Oswald was recruited into a

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01:22:58,200 --> 01:23:01,120
Speaker 1: rogue CIA plot. This group of three, four or five

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01:23:01,200 --> 01:23:03,479
Speaker 1: rogues decided their motive was to get rid of Kennedy

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01:23:03,560 --> 01:23:05,960
Speaker 1: after the Bay of Pigs Cuban missile crisis, because they

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01:23:06,000 --> 01:23:07,960
Speaker 1: thought it was their patriotic duty given the threat the

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01:23:07,960 --> 01:23:10,760
Speaker 1: country was under at the time and their views which

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01:23:10,760 --> 01:23:13,960
Speaker 1: would be more hardline or more radically anti communists and

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01:23:14,120 --> 01:23:18,280
Speaker 1: very extreme politically. So is that some of what you

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01:23:18,439 --> 01:23:23,200
Speaker 1: think might be revealed in this document this document release,

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01:23:23,240 --> 01:23:25,599
Speaker 1: if they ever ultimately come out. What do you think

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01:23:25,680 --> 01:23:27,680
Speaker 1: could be in those documents that would be interesting to

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01:23:27,680 --> 01:23:31,400
Speaker 1: the public. Yeah, I think it's pretty clear that after

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01:23:31,479 --> 01:23:34,960
Speaker 1: sixty years the documents should be released, with the exception

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01:23:35,120 --> 01:23:40,160
Speaker 1: of a few things that might just frankly compromise something

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01:23:40,200 --> 01:23:44,000
Speaker 1: that the people on the US government should keep secret.

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01:23:44,160 --> 01:23:47,640
Speaker 1: So it's not an unconditional release. Everything position I have is,

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01:23:47,680 --> 01:23:50,439
Speaker 1: after sixty years, the truth belongs to the American people

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01:23:50,439 --> 01:23:52,760
Speaker 1: and the American people should know the full truth. I

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01:23:52,800 --> 01:23:55,559
Speaker 1: think it's worth pointing out before I offer any comment

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01:23:55,600 --> 01:23:58,800
Speaker 1: on my own theories, is that our own government in

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01:23:58,880 --> 01:24:02,120
Speaker 1: nineteen seventy nine put out a report from the House

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01:24:02,200 --> 01:24:07,439
Speaker 1: Assassination Committee hearings that had crucial findings that started with

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01:24:07,520 --> 01:24:13,240
Speaker 1: the idea that there probably was an assassination, a conspiracy

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01:24:13,520 --> 01:24:16,720
Speaker 1: to assassinate John F. Kennedy, which means it's not really

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01:24:16,800 --> 01:24:20,080
Speaker 1: a pure conspiracy theory, it's something our own government believes.

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01:24:20,479 --> 01:24:24,679
Speaker 1: That same report included the findings that the US government,

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01:24:24,760 --> 01:24:27,880
Speaker 1: in all probability was not involved, whether that would be CIA,

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01:24:28,520 --> 01:24:32,160
Speaker 1: the President, FBI, or any other armor of the US government.

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01:24:32,280 --> 01:24:35,000
Speaker 1: And I think after sixty years, if the US government

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01:24:35,040 --> 01:24:38,160
Speaker 1: itself was involved in the assassination of Kennedy, we would

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01:24:38,160 --> 01:24:41,040
Speaker 1: all know about it, because we couldn't keep that secret

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01:24:41,320 --> 01:24:43,880
Speaker 1: for sixty years if it was a government plot. At

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01:24:43,880 --> 01:24:48,400
Speaker 1: the same time, the findings included the judgment that it

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01:24:48,520 --> 01:24:52,360
Speaker 1: wasn't the Russians, the Soviets, or the Cubans or organized

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01:24:52,400 --> 01:24:55,639
Speaker 1: crime that set out to kill the president. So that

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01:24:55,760 --> 01:24:59,480
Speaker 1: leaves the theory that if there was any sort of conspiracy,

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01:25:00,240 --> 01:25:04,960
Speaker 1: it includedly Harvey Oswald, but also probably a small number

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01:25:05,800 --> 01:25:08,200
Speaker 1: less than a handful of people from the government who

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01:25:08,200 --> 01:25:14,080
Speaker 1: had the motivation, the means, and the opportunity to potentially

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01:25:14,160 --> 01:25:17,160
Speaker 1: kill the president. So that's what I think the documents

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01:25:17,200 --> 01:25:20,960
Speaker 1: will help shed light on for the serious researchers and

1655
01:25:21,120 --> 01:25:24,519
Speaker 1: historians who still want to know the full truth to

1656
01:25:24,640 --> 01:25:28,439
Speaker 1: look at those documents to see whether we can still

1657
01:25:28,479 --> 01:25:32,320
Speaker 1: piece together the information that would end the mystery of

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01:25:32,320 --> 01:25:36,000
Speaker 1: who really killed JFK Right And what leads you though

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01:25:36,000 --> 01:25:38,840
Speaker 1: to that conclusion and why do you have confidence that

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01:25:38,840 --> 01:25:40,680
Speaker 1: it would even be in the documents? I mean, my

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01:25:40,800 --> 01:25:45,360
Speaker 1: understanding of the revelations of MK Ultra Cointel pro the

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01:25:45,400 --> 01:25:47,760
Speaker 1: only reason we even know about is because documents were

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01:25:47,800 --> 01:25:51,120
Speaker 1: basically stolen by a bunch of activists, which allowed FOYA

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01:25:51,240 --> 01:25:54,800
Speaker 1: people to know exactly what tafoya. Otherwise it was such

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01:25:54,800 --> 01:25:57,760
Speaker 1: a tightly controlled program the documents themselves would have been

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01:25:57,800 --> 01:26:00,439
Speaker 1: effectively lost to history into the Church Committee. So why

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01:26:00,479 --> 01:26:03,240
Speaker 1: should we expect that sixty odd years later that a

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01:26:03,320 --> 01:26:08,120
Speaker 1: similar kind of cover up hasn't happened in that way? Well,

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01:26:08,160 --> 01:26:10,720
Speaker 1: I don't think there will be documents where once the

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01:26:10,800 --> 01:26:14,519
Speaker 1: documents are released, we're going to collectively say oh, wow,

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01:26:14,640 --> 01:26:17,519
Speaker 1: that's what happened. I think again, it's going to provide

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01:26:17,560 --> 01:26:22,360
Speaker 1: the basis to continue research to Finally, I'm not in

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01:26:22,400 --> 01:26:26,439
Speaker 1: the school of believers who think that this mystery will

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01:26:26,439 --> 01:26:29,000
Speaker 1: never be solved because it's been so long. I think

1675
01:26:29,040 --> 01:26:30,760
Speaker 1: we have to keep at it. And the reason we

1676
01:26:30,800 --> 01:26:32,400
Speaker 1: have to keep at it is the truth is more

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01:26:32,400 --> 01:26:36,400
Speaker 1: important than anything else. What we do know is even

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01:26:36,439 --> 01:26:42,520
Speaker 1: before the Kennedy assassination, there were things that CIA itself

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01:26:43,640 --> 01:26:47,200
Speaker 1: failed to disclose that covered up. In fact, there was

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01:26:47,200 --> 01:26:51,879
Speaker 1: a very fascinating Studies of Intelligence article in twenty thirteen

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01:26:52,479 --> 01:26:55,439
Speaker 1: that essentially said John McCone, who was the director of

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Speaker 1: CIA after Helms have been fired by Kennedy after the

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01:26:59,720 --> 01:27:06,360
Speaker 1: Bay of Pigs, deliberately withheld information and deceived the Committee

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01:27:06,640 --> 01:27:09,519
Speaker 1: and the Warrant Commission when they asked them to testify.

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01:27:09,600 --> 01:27:12,400
Speaker 1: So what that proves is regardless of the reason, and

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01:27:12,439 --> 01:27:14,160
Speaker 1: I don't think it was to cover up any sort

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01:27:14,200 --> 01:27:17,439
Speaker 1: of knowledge of the Kennedy assassination. The agency was worried

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01:27:17,439 --> 01:27:20,360
Speaker 1: at the time about lots of things that could have

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01:27:20,479 --> 01:27:24,880
Speaker 1: had tangential connections to the Kennedy assassination. I would call

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01:27:24,920 --> 01:27:28,960
Speaker 1: that the COVID action culture of the time, the assassination,

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Speaker 1: attempts to kill Castro, the dealings with organized crime to

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Speaker 1: do that, overthrow governments in Latin America. There were a

1693
01:27:36,840 --> 01:27:40,200
Speaker 1: number of activities a CIA was conducting at the time

1694
01:27:40,880 --> 01:27:43,840
Speaker 1: that the CIA was clearly trying to cover up and

1695
01:27:43,920 --> 01:27:47,960
Speaker 1: not disclose in the aftermath of the president's assassination. So

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01:27:48,200 --> 01:27:51,160
Speaker 1: I think the reason probably unfortunately this would be a

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01:27:51,200 --> 01:27:53,840
Speaker 1: very bad reason of my judgment, with whole documents, that

1698
01:27:53,880 --> 01:27:58,280
Speaker 1: the agency or the ghost government are embarrassed about what

1699
01:27:58,439 --> 01:28:02,120
Speaker 1: the disclosures of these documents might reveal about other things.

1700
01:28:02,160 --> 01:28:04,599
Speaker 1: That would to me be an unacceptable reason to keep

1701
01:28:04,640 --> 01:28:08,040
Speaker 1: this secret. We should know at this point more about

1702
01:28:08,080 --> 01:28:10,479
Speaker 1: those activities. I might point out that at the time

1703
01:28:10,600 --> 01:28:13,960
Speaker 1: Kennedy was killed, the CIA wasn't even under any form

1704
01:28:14,000 --> 01:28:17,599
Speaker 1: of effective congression oversight. That didn't happen until nineteen seventy

1705
01:28:17,680 --> 01:28:21,720
Speaker 1: nine with the Church Commission hearing. So again, it's the

1706
01:28:21,880 --> 01:28:26,760
Speaker 1: idea of disclosure and transparency is a duty, and if

1707
01:28:26,760 --> 01:28:31,240
Speaker 1: there's a strong, extenuating reason why these documents should not

1708
01:28:31,320 --> 01:28:34,240
Speaker 1: be revealed, I think it would be wise forget about

1709
01:28:34,280 --> 01:28:37,240
Speaker 1: the legality and the law. It would be wise for

1710
01:28:37,280 --> 01:28:41,880
Speaker 1: the US President to indicate exactly what that would mean,

1711
01:28:42,040 --> 01:28:45,360
Speaker 1: that would that be that would cause him to decide

1712
01:28:45,400 --> 01:28:48,639
Speaker 1: not to release these documents that belonged to the American people,

1713
01:28:48,680 --> 01:28:51,800
Speaker 1: frankly not to the CIA. Well, in the current stance

1714
01:28:51,840 --> 01:28:54,320
Speaker 1: has hardly been convincing to the American public. A majority

1715
01:28:54,320 --> 01:28:56,680
Speaker 1: of him still believe that there is more to the

1716
01:28:56,720 --> 01:29:01,080
Speaker 1: story than the official government here. And part of what

1717
01:29:01,560 --> 01:29:04,000
Speaker 1: makes you so interesting is that you have so many

1718
01:29:04,160 --> 01:29:06,800
Speaker 1: years of experience with the agency. Could you speak to

1719
01:29:06,840 --> 01:29:11,280
Speaker 1: how what you learned about how the agency operates, how

1720
01:29:11,280 --> 01:29:13,639
Speaker 1: that informs your theory of what you think the most

1721
01:29:13,680 --> 01:29:18,280
Speaker 1: plausible scenario is here. Yeah, that's the question that got

1722
01:29:18,320 --> 01:29:22,360
Speaker 1: me interested in this. I, like so many Americans, I'm

1723
01:29:22,479 --> 01:29:24,680
Speaker 1: very interested in what really happened. I think it's a

1724
01:29:24,720 --> 01:29:27,360
Speaker 1: piece of our history we need to know. I didn't

1725
01:29:27,400 --> 01:29:33,000
Speaker 1: become even suspicious that there might be an explanation where

1726
01:29:33,040 --> 01:29:36,040
Speaker 1: three to five people might have conspired to work with

1727
01:29:36,200 --> 01:29:40,440
Speaker 1: Oswald to kill Kennedy until I examined that as a possibility,

1728
01:29:40,479 --> 01:29:43,559
Speaker 1: and I realized, wait a minute, if there was a

1729
01:29:43,640 --> 01:29:47,120
Speaker 1: small conspiracy of a very few number of people who

1730
01:29:47,160 --> 01:29:49,280
Speaker 1: could keep the secret for sixty years, and take the

1731
01:29:49,360 --> 01:29:53,880
Speaker 1: secret to their grave, fully witting collaborators with Oswald in

1732
01:29:53,920 --> 01:29:59,160
Speaker 1: the plot. Then I thought the most likely explanation would

1733
01:29:59,160 --> 01:30:03,000
Speaker 1: be some CIA officers at the time. This really pains

1734
01:30:03,040 --> 01:30:05,880
Speaker 1: me to even suggest this, and I'm not saying I

1735
01:30:05,920 --> 01:30:08,360
Speaker 1: certainly can't prove it. I think it's something that needs

1736
01:30:08,400 --> 01:30:11,799
Speaker 1: to be fully explored. Is the idea that it looks

1737
01:30:11,880 --> 01:30:14,920
Speaker 1: kind of like a CIA operation in terms of the

1738
01:30:14,960 --> 01:30:19,960
Speaker 1: motive that would be the president betrayed. For example, all

1739
01:30:20,000 --> 01:30:22,000
Speaker 1: the people the CIA worked with at the time to

1740
01:30:22,040 --> 01:30:24,519
Speaker 1: overthrow Castro at the Bay of Pigs. When he called

1741
01:30:24,520 --> 01:30:27,040
Speaker 1: off the Bay of Pigs, people would say, well, that's

1742
01:30:27,040 --> 01:30:29,240
Speaker 1: no motive to kill the president, but it might you

1743
01:30:29,280 --> 01:30:31,400
Speaker 1: have to add to that, perhaps some of these maybe

1744
01:30:31,439 --> 01:30:34,800
Speaker 1: saying people who thought again, a very few small number

1745
01:30:34,840 --> 01:30:38,680
Speaker 1: of people who thought that the president gotten over his

1746
01:30:38,760 --> 01:30:43,200
Speaker 1: head with the Russians in the Cuban missile crisis, And

1747
01:30:43,640 --> 01:30:45,960
Speaker 1: there were civil rights problems at the time, and the

1748
01:30:46,000 --> 01:30:48,800
Speaker 1: country was highly polarized. I know now we're living in

1749
01:30:48,840 --> 01:30:51,840
Speaker 1: a time when the country's almost as polarized as it

1750
01:30:52,040 --> 01:30:55,200
Speaker 1: was in the nineteen sixties, but it was a time

1751
01:30:55,240 --> 01:30:59,000
Speaker 1: when there were extreme views on all sides about the politics,

1752
01:30:59,080 --> 01:31:02,840
Speaker 1: about what was in the country, and it's not unimaginable

1753
01:31:04,000 --> 01:31:06,160
Speaker 1: that a very small number of people thought they were

1754
01:31:06,240 --> 01:31:09,479
Speaker 1: being patriots if they were to do something this monstrous. Again,

1755
01:31:09,680 --> 01:31:12,680
Speaker 1: this is not something I accuse the Agency of or

1756
01:31:12,760 --> 01:31:16,439
Speaker 1: think the Agency had any direct knowledge of. But when

1757
01:31:16,439 --> 01:31:19,759
Speaker 1: you look at the key officials then and afterwards, even

1758
01:31:19,840 --> 01:31:23,360
Speaker 1: presidents later like Richard Nixon and Lyndon Johnson and others,

1759
01:31:23,840 --> 01:31:26,920
Speaker 1: they all suspected there was a conspiracy. I think the

1760
01:31:26,960 --> 01:31:31,680
Speaker 1: most appointing thing to me is an American because I

1761
01:31:31,720 --> 01:31:33,799
Speaker 1: served the people first, and then I think of myself

1762
01:31:33,840 --> 01:31:36,120
Speaker 1: as a CIA officer from a citizen first. The most

1763
01:31:36,160 --> 01:31:39,479
Speaker 1: disappointing thing about this is our leaders. We couldn't trust

1764
01:31:39,520 --> 01:31:41,720
Speaker 1: our leaders to tell us the full truck truth. We

1765
01:31:41,720 --> 01:31:45,360
Speaker 1: couldn't trust our leaders to ensure that we knew the

1766
01:31:45,400 --> 01:31:47,840
Speaker 1: full truth. They wanted to spare us from the truth.

1767
01:31:47,840 --> 01:31:50,360
Speaker 1: And I have never in my lifetime been comfortable with

1768
01:31:50,400 --> 01:31:53,160
Speaker 1: the idea that our leaders should know something that in

1769
01:31:53,200 --> 01:31:56,080
Speaker 1: some way, at some point the American people also don't know.

1770
01:31:57,360 --> 01:32:00,839
Speaker 1: What impact do you think that has had on the public,

1771
01:32:01,160 --> 01:32:05,519
Speaker 1: Because even if, like regardless of what really happened, you

1772
01:32:05,600 --> 01:32:08,680
Speaker 1: have a majority of Americans who think the government is

1773
01:32:08,920 --> 01:32:10,920
Speaker 1: lying to them. I mean, what do you think this

1774
01:32:11,040 --> 01:32:14,080
Speaker 1: is the reason from that. I'm so happy you asked

1775
01:32:14,080 --> 01:32:16,320
Speaker 1: me that question, and we didn't do any sort of

1776
01:32:16,320 --> 01:32:18,120
Speaker 1: rehearsal on all this, so I was wondering where you

1777
01:32:18,160 --> 01:32:19,840
Speaker 1: were going to come at it from. And this, to

1778
01:32:19,880 --> 01:32:22,200
Speaker 1: me is one of the crucial questions and the reason

1779
01:32:22,200 --> 01:32:26,000
Speaker 1: I agreed to do the interview. I'm not here to

1780
01:32:26,200 --> 01:32:30,000
Speaker 1: prove I think there's a conspiracy of CIOs. That is

1781
01:32:30,040 --> 01:32:33,000
Speaker 1: my fear. That is my concern, and that, like other

1782
01:32:33,080 --> 01:32:36,280
Speaker 1: conspiracies of that kind, small group of people work together

1783
01:32:36,360 --> 01:32:40,240
Speaker 1: on to kill the president. Is we should still examine thoroughly.

1784
01:32:40,600 --> 01:32:43,519
Speaker 1: But the reason why we should release the documents is

1785
01:32:43,520 --> 01:32:47,879
Speaker 1: that we're at historic levels of mistrust of our government

1786
01:32:47,920 --> 01:32:52,960
Speaker 1: in general, usually because the government withhelds things from us

1787
01:32:54,040 --> 01:32:56,280
Speaker 1: that we have a right to know that we need

1788
01:32:56,320 --> 01:32:59,280
Speaker 1: to sanction. And it hasn't just been in the sixties

1789
01:32:59,320 --> 01:33:03,360
Speaker 1: and seventies, things like if you remember Watergate, it took

1790
01:33:03,560 --> 01:33:07,920
Speaker 1: the deputy director of the FBI, Mark Felt to be

1791
01:33:08,280 --> 01:33:11,960
Speaker 1: as we now know, deep throat Woodward in a a

1792
01:33:12,040 --> 01:33:16,879
Speaker 1: key source for Watergate, to topple Nixon. In other words,

1793
01:33:17,000 --> 01:33:20,080
Speaker 1: an acting serving deputy director of the FBI was a

1794
01:33:20,120 --> 01:33:23,800
Speaker 1: pivotal source of the truth so that we could take

1795
01:33:23,840 --> 01:33:26,360
Speaker 1: down a corrupt president who had broken broken the law.

1796
01:33:26,800 --> 01:33:30,400
Speaker 1: And in this case, with historic levels of mistrust in

1797
01:33:30,439 --> 01:33:34,400
Speaker 1: the government, why add to that, why not explain if

1798
01:33:34,439 --> 01:33:38,200
Speaker 1: you're going to withhold information after sixty years when a

1799
01:33:38,320 --> 01:33:42,720
Speaker 1: law has been passed to release it, at least explain

1800
01:33:43,920 --> 01:33:48,040
Speaker 1: justify why you would continue to take that position instead

1801
01:33:48,040 --> 01:33:51,080
Speaker 1: of just release the information. I would accept it if

1802
01:33:51,120 --> 01:33:54,960
Speaker 1: someone got up and said, there's some very specific things,

1803
01:33:55,000 --> 01:33:57,080
Speaker 1: a few documents were not going to release, but here's

1804
01:33:57,080 --> 01:33:59,160
Speaker 1: all the rest of it, that would be a much

1805
01:33:59,200 --> 01:34:02,439
Speaker 1: more understandable position, because if the government is that in

1806
01:34:02,840 --> 01:34:07,320
Speaker 1: a historic period where I think the US government written large,

1807
01:34:07,320 --> 01:34:12,839
Speaker 1: but particularly the national security part of the government, Defense Department, CIA, FBI,

1808
01:34:13,360 --> 01:34:18,439
Speaker 1: et cetera, and the White House need to reinstill faith

1809
01:34:19,720 --> 01:34:22,600
Speaker 1: with the American people that we're being transparent and we

1810
01:34:22,640 --> 01:34:25,479
Speaker 1: don't use secrecy to hide the truth. Yeah, this is

1811
01:34:25,520 --> 01:34:28,639
Speaker 1: really well so small step in that direction. Rall, thank

1812
01:34:28,680 --> 01:34:30,320
Speaker 1: you so much for taking some time with us. We're

1813
01:34:30,360 --> 01:34:32,120
Speaker 1: really grateful. Great to speak with you, sir. We should

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1815
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