WEBVTT - Jonathan Wild: The Thief-Taker or Thief? Or Both?

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<v Speaker 1>Welcome to Criminalia, a production of Shondaland Audio in partnership

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<v Speaker 1>with iHeartRadio.

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<v Speaker 2>People thought Jonathan Wilde was a good, upstanding kind of guy.

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<v Speaker 2>He was a thief taker who was very good at

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<v Speaker 2>catching criminals. The Privy Council advisers to the Crown consulted

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<v Speaker 2>with him on methods of controlling crime in London. Highway robbers,

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<v Speaker 2>who were having their own golden age of crime at

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<v Speaker 2>the time, were a scourge on the city and Jonathan

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<v Speaker 2>had them in his sights. But what most people did

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<v Speaker 2>not know was that Jonathan himself was actually a very

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<v Speaker 2>bad guy. Welcome to Criminalia. I'm Maria Tremarki.

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<v Speaker 1>And I'm a Holly Frye. So we thought we'd do

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<v Speaker 1>a one to eighty for this episode and talk not

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<v Speaker 1>about highway robbers, but the people who highway robbers feared

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<v Speaker 1>the thief takers. In England between roughly sixteen seventy five

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<v Speaker 1>and eighteen thirty, if you witnessed a crime t you

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<v Speaker 1>were legally obliged to apprehend the perpetrator if it was possible.

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<v Speaker 1>At a minimum, you were expected to report the crime

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<v Speaker 1>to a magistrate or other official, but citizens were uncomfortable

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<v Speaker 1>and or unwilling to police their own city. As crimes

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<v Speaker 1>became more and more violent in nature and more frequent.

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<v Speaker 1>Before the establishment of a professional police force in London,

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<v Speaker 1>which didn't happen until the nineteenth century, thief takers began

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<v Speaker 1>to fill the need. They were private citizens who captured

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<v Speaker 1>criminals and recovered stolen goods for a reward. That's it.

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<v Speaker 1>Those are the basics of the gig. They didn't have

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<v Speaker 1>the same level of training or oversight as what we

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<v Speaker 1>would expect from law enforcement officials or even private investigators

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<v Speaker 1>or bounty hunters of today. Often thief takers were former

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<v Speaker 1>or sometimes active criminals themselves, and many frequently used illegal, unethical,

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<v Speaker 1>or unscrupulous methods to get their bounty. Thief takers and

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<v Speaker 1>thieves they were often one and the same.

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<v Speaker 2>Thief takers are considered the result of legislation passed in

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<v Speaker 2>sixteen ninety two called an Act for Encouraging the Apprehending

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<v Speaker 2>of Highwaymen. That act established a monetary reward for the

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<v Speaker 2>capture and conviction of highway robbers, and it also gave

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<v Speaker 2>a free pardon to criminals who gave up their accomplices.

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<v Speaker 2>Records show thief takers received from the sheriff forty pounds

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<v Speaker 2>for each criminal they apprehended that led to a conviction,

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<v Speaker 2>Plus there was a bonus of one hundred pounds quote

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<v Speaker 2>if the crime was committed within five miles of Charing Cross.

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<v Speaker 2>A single capture in London would earn the thief taker

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<v Speaker 2>the equivalent of five years earnings in average employment. In addition, quote,

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<v Speaker 2>any crime committed by the thief taker during his apprehension

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<v Speaker 2>was also pardoned. So thief taking was a really attractive deal.

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<v Speaker 1>But as you may imagine, not all of those people

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<v Speaker 1>who chose the occupation were honest and well meaning people.

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<v Speaker 1>For instance, thief takers often used their sway to blackmail

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<v Speaker 1>criminals with that threat of turning them in for arrest,

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<v Speaker 1>or on the flip side of that, they could offer

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<v Speaker 1>thieves protection from being arrested. That, though came at a price.

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<v Speaker 1>Thief takers also often paid known criminals to testify with

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<v Speaker 1>true or false evidence against other criminals and sometimes even

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<v Speaker 1>against innocent people, to ensure there was a conviction so

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<v Speaker 1>that they received their reward.

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<v Speaker 2>The act was also supposed to encourage victims of theft

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<v Speaker 2>to prosecute the person who had stolen from them and

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<v Speaker 2>to incentivize victims to try to recover their stolen property,

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<v Speaker 2>so again enter the thief takers for help when it

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<v Speaker 2>came to recovering that stolen property. Sometimes a thief taker

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<v Speaker 2>would act on behalf of the victim as a go between,

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<v Speaker 2>helping to negotiate the return of items from those who

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<v Speaker 2>stole them. Sometimes thief takers made deals with thieves turn

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<v Speaker 2>in the stolen goods in exchange for a cut of

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<v Speaker 2>the reward. Sometimes thief takers planted stolen property in order

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<v Speaker 2>to collect the reward for recovering said stolen property. Talking

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<v Speaker 2>about the corrupt opportunities can seem kind of dizzying, but

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<v Speaker 2>there's more. Thief takers were also known to extort money

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<v Speaker 2>from individuals by threatening to accuse them of thievery unless

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<v Speaker 2>they paid a fee. It wasn't rare, either, for thief

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<v Speaker 2>takers to be involved in violent confrontations with the criminals

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<v Speaker 2>they were attempting to capture. They weren't shy about using

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<v Speaker 2>physical force to get their mark and their reward. Some

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<v Speaker 2>thief takers went undercover, pretending to be thieves to infiltrate

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<v Speaker 2>criminal organizations to get their target. As You may imagine

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<v Speaker 2>from how we've spoken about this job so far, it

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<v Speaker 2>may not be a surprise to hear that a lot

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<v Speaker 2>of thief takers were criminals themselves who got into the

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<v Speaker 2>business to give their own crimes some sort of legitimacy

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<v Speaker 2>and themselves some protection. The whole set up religious seems

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<v Speaker 2>to have encouraged corruption, blackmail, perjury, you name it.

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<v Speaker 1>We're gonna take a break here for a word from

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<v Speaker 1>our sponsors, and when we're back we will talk about

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<v Speaker 1>Jonathan wild thief Taker General, one of the most famous

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<v Speaker 1>thief takers in England's history.

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<v Speaker 2>Welcome back to Criminalia. Now that we know about thief takers,

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<v Speaker 2>let's meet one of the VIPs in the job, Jonathan Wilde.

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<v Speaker 1>Jonathan Wilde was a thief taker, but he was so

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<v Speaker 1>much more. He played both sides of the law. He

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<v Speaker 1>was a thief, a fence, a highway robber, a smuggler,

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<v Speaker 1>a swindler, and engaged in many other nefarious acts before

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<v Speaker 1>he found himself at the gallows at Tiburn.

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<v Speaker 2>Wild grew up in Wolverhampton and Stafford. His father was

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<v Speaker 2>a carpenter and his mother a costermonger. That's a street bender.

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<v Speaker 2>Who sells fruits and vegetables. He was baptized on May sixth,

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<v Speaker 2>but the year is a bit in question. He was

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<v Speaker 2>likely born in sixteen eighty two, but maybe sixteen eighty three,

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<v Speaker 2>or possibly but unlikely, sixteen eighty nine. Because Jonathan was

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<v Speaker 2>bound in an apprenticeship to a buckle maker in Birmingham,

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<v Speaker 2>his formal education ended at age fifteen. As a bound apprentice,

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<v Speaker 2>Wilde was obligated to remain learning the trade for a

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<v Speaker 2>certain period of time. For Jonathan that may have been

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<v Speaker 2>as many as seven years or so. When his term ended,

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<v Speaker 2>he returned to Wolverhampton and married. He and his new

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<v Speaker 2>wife had a son.

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<v Speaker 1>But it wasn't even two years into this marriage when

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<v Speaker 1>Jonathan decided he was going to leave for London. And

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<v Speaker 1>there's no record of why he deserted his wife and

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<v Speaker 1>child for a new start in the city, but we

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<v Speaker 1>do know that at first when he got there, he

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<v Speaker 1>practiced his trade, or tried to. After just a few months,

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<v Speaker 1>though he had already gotten himself so far into debt

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<v Speaker 1>that quote being of extravagant disposition. He was soon arrested

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<v Speaker 1>and thrown into debtors prison at Wood Street Compter during

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<v Speaker 1>the four years that he spent in jail, Wild listened

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<v Speaker 1>and learned about criminal life and its secrets from his

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<v Speaker 1>fellow prisoners, who were mainly petty thieves and tradesmen. He

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<v Speaker 1>also befriended the prison guards at wood Street, who sent

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<v Speaker 1>him on errands, but they also granted him the privilege

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<v Speaker 1>of what was called the liberty of the Gate. That

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<v Speaker 1>meant that he was allowed to be outside the prison

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<v Speaker 1>at night to help apprehend thieves. It was his first taste,

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<v Speaker 1>at least that we know of, of thief taking the

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<v Speaker 1>fact that he was allowed outside the prison walls may

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<v Speaker 1>sound surprising, but Wild was jailed for non payment of debts,

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<v Speaker 1>and some debtors were allowed special privileges that prisoners who

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<v Speaker 1>were incarcerated for criminal offenses were not.

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<v Speaker 2>While Jonathan was at Wood Street, he met Mary Milliner,

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<v Speaker 2>a well known sex worker and pickpocket. She taught him

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<v Speaker 2>everything she knew about being a small time thief. The

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<v Speaker 2>pair moved in together in seventeen twelve after they were

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<v Speaker 2>both released from Wood Street, and she introduced him to

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<v Speaker 2>all of her corrupt contacts. Together, they made a tidy

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<v Speaker 2>bit of money, mainly using a scheme that was known

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<v Speaker 2>as the Buddock and Twang. While Mary entertained clients, Wild

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<v Speaker 2>hit them with a cudgel and robbed them literally with

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<v Speaker 2>their pants down. They opened a public house called the

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<v Speaker 2>King's Head, a criminal friendly establishment. Wild became a small

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<v Speaker 2>time fence. He often bought stolen goods from his patrons

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<v Speaker 2>and resold the items for a profit. Upstairs, Mary managed

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<v Speaker 2>a group of sex workers, and the couple reportedly would

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<v Speaker 2>rob the client tell not just of coins and jewelry,

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<v Speaker 2>but also personal letters and diaries to be used as blackmail.

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<v Speaker 2>Wild began to quote rapidly accumulate property and began to

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<v Speaker 2>think of himself a man of consequence. He dressed in

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<v Speaker 2>least clothes and wore a sword.

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<v Speaker 1>We're gonna pause here again for a word from our sponsors,

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<v Speaker 1>and when we return we will talk about how Wild

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<v Speaker 1>was deeply involved in London's criminal underworld while he was

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<v Speaker 1>also a thief taker, and how that was definitely a

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<v Speaker 1>conflict of interest.

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<v Speaker 2>Welcome back to Criminalia. Let's talk about how Jonathan was

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<v Speaker 2>finally caught playing both sides of the law after more

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<v Speaker 2>than a decade of his two faced game.

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<v Speaker 1>There were two celebrated thief takers in England, in the

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<v Speaker 1>eighteenth century Jonathan Wilde and Charles Hitchin. In seventeen thirteen,

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<v Speaker 1>Hitchin had become the under Marshal of London, a post

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<v Speaker 1>that made him responsible for maintaining order in the city.

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<v Speaker 1>It was a paid position that served under the Lord Mayor.

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<v Speaker 1>He wasn't a very good under marshal, though. He was

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<v Speaker 1>suspended after ten months, accused of accepting stolen goods as

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<v Speaker 1>well as engaging in other generally sketchy practices. And he

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<v Speaker 1>was doing all of that. Mostly he was forcing criminals

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<v Speaker 1>to pay him for protection from arrest, and expected businesses

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<v Speaker 1>to bribe him to keep the thieves away from their establishments.

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<v Speaker 2>Both Hitchin and wild practiced thief taking in London. Both

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<v Speaker 2>men also were up to no good, and each had

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<v Speaker 2>built his own criminal empire. Hitchin recruited Jonathan to keep

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<v Speaker 2>the local thieves under control until his suspension was lifted

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<v Speaker 2>and he was reinstated to his office, which happened in

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<v Speaker 2>April of seventeen fourteen. The pair were known to take

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<v Speaker 2>late night walks together under the guise of reforming areas

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<v Speaker 2>of the city considered to be public nuisances. These strolls,

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<v Speaker 2>though were nothing more than excuses to collect protection money

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<v Speaker 2>from the locals and to traffic stolen goods. According to

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<v Speaker 2>the popular Newgate Calendar, a catalog of often moralized stories

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<v Speaker 2>about crimes and criminals, the two grew jealous of each

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<v Speaker 2>other and parted company. But they weren't done done with

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<v Speaker 2>each other, if you know what we mean. Each published

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<v Speaker 2>pamphlets attempting to selly the other's thief taking reputation. Mainly,

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<v Speaker 2>they just lobbed accusations at each other for engaging in

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<v Speaker 2>unethical and criminal dealings.

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<v Speaker 1>But Wild and Hitchin didn't really need each other. There

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<v Speaker 1>was enough to go around legally and illegally. In the

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<v Speaker 1>absence of any police force. They both exploited the strong

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<v Speaker 1>public demand for action during a deepening crime wave in

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<v Speaker 1>the city. It's said that Wild alone sent upwards of

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<v Speaker 1>one hundred and twenty people to the gallows. Based on

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<v Speaker 1>his testimonies and leaks from his informants to the authorities,

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<v Speaker 1>many people believed Wild performed a vital public service for

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<v Speaker 1>the city, not only by capturing criminals, but also by

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<v Speaker 1>returning lost valuables to their owners. London citizens supported him,

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<v Speaker 1>presenting himself as an honest Officer of the law. He

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<v Speaker 1>now self titled as thief Taker General of England and Ireland.

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<v Speaker 1>But Londoners didn't know that he had simultaneously built a

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<v Speaker 1>massive criminal empire that has been compared to a mafia

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<v Speaker 1>like enterprise, involving robbery, fencing, prostitution, racketeering and really any

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<v Speaker 1>other crime worth a profit, and he used his legal

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<v Speaker 1>crime fighting role to take down his rivals and launder

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<v Speaker 1>the proceeds of his own crimes.

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<v Speaker 2>By December of seventeen fourteen, Wilde had moved to a

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<v Speaker 2>new house known unofficially as the Office of Intelligence for

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<v Speaker 2>Lost Goods, and he heavily played up his role as

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<v Speaker 2>a middleman who helped victims recover their stolen items from robbers.

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<v Speaker 2>Reported The Bridge his journal at the time, quote, as

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<v Speaker 2>soon as anything is missing suspected to be stolen, the

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<v Speaker 2>first course we steer is directly to the office of

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<v Speaker 2>mister Jonathan Wilde.

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<v Speaker 1>One technique wild used was advertisements in newspapers calling for

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<v Speaker 1>any quote unquote lost valuables to be dropped off at

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<v Speaker 1>his house with the promise of rewards and of course

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<v Speaker 1>no questions asked. And this went both ways. Victims too,

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<v Speaker 1>would advertise for help from thief takers, such as this

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<v Speaker 1>advertisement posted in the London Gazette. Quote robbed the tenth

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<v Speaker 1>of November last from mister Joseph Bullock of Bristol, on

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<v Speaker 1>the road between Hungerford and Newbury and Berkshire, one silver

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<v Speaker 1>watch in case, there being on the backside of the

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<v Speaker 1>case an almanac, a hangar with a plate hilt, a

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<v Speaker 1>buff belt with silver buckles by three men. The one

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<v Speaker 1>a middle sized man, full faced, a short white wig,

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<v Speaker 1>much curled in an old cloth color riding coat, on

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<v Speaker 1>a flea bitten horse about fourteen hands high, his brows brown.

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<v Speaker 1>The other a middle sized black favored on a gray

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<v Speaker 1>horse above fourteen hands high, with black hair or wig

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<v Speaker 1>and thin favor. The other a full set man, thin favored,

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<v Speaker 1>with curled dark brown hair. Whoever can discover the persons

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<v Speaker 1>aforesaid to mister Bullock of Bristol, or at the three

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<v Speaker 1>cups in Bread Street, London, the said robbers, having killed

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<v Speaker 1>one John Thomas, the said mister Bullock's servant, shall have

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<v Speaker 1>their charges and ten pounds reward. Ironically, though, when a

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<v Speaker 1>victim asked wild to help find a thief or recover

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<v Speaker 1>missing items, they did not know that it was highly

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<v Speaker 1>likely that Wild already knew the perpetrators and had the

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<v Speaker 1>items in his possession, because odds were super good that

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<v Speaker 1>he was the one that ordered the theft in the

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<v Speaker 1>first place.

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<v Speaker 2>Regularly, as a way to increase his reputation as an

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<v Speaker 2>honest person, Jonathan would round up a number of known

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<v Speaker 2>thiefs for arrest a look at how safe the city

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<v Speaker 2>is because of me kind of scenario. He almost always

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<v Speaker 2>targeted thieves who didn't cooperate with him, and if anyone

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<v Speaker 2>questioned him, Wild turned them over to public officials.

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<v Speaker 1>In seventeen twenty two, Wild's decade long Lucky Street started

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<v Speaker 1>to sour after he was severely injured by highwayman Joseph Blake. Blueskin,

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<v Speaker 1>as Blake was known, had informed on his gang associates,

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<v Speaker 1>and for doing so, he expected to receive a reward

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<v Speaker 1>from Wild for that information. That was how it was

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<v Speaker 1>supposed to work, but Jonathan instead turned him in and Blueskin,

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<v Speaker 1>surprised and angry over the betrayal, slit Wild's throat. Wild

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<v Speaker 1>survived this attack. It was one of three serious injuries

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<v Speaker 1>he endured while in the thief taking business, and Blueskin

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<v Speaker 1>went on to be executed by hanging.

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<v Speaker 2>Jonathan's criminal and non criminal careers ended a few years

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<v Speaker 2>later when he was arrested in February of seventeen twenty

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<v Speaker 2>five for his alleged involvement and a riot engineer to

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<v Speaker 2>spring an associate from Newgate Prison. He was charged with theft, shoplifting, miscellaneous,

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<v Speaker 2>and perverting justice. His trial began on May thirteenth. While

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<v Speaker 2>his popularity might have led to an acquittal, and he

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<v Speaker 2>had been quite popular for keeping the streets safer, there

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<v Speaker 2>had been a recent growing change in the public's view

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<v Speaker 2>of him. People were beginning to think of him as

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<v Speaker 2>violent and maybe not the kind of person they wanted

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<v Speaker 2>in charge of their safety. Witness testimony at his trial

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<v Speaker 2>revealed that he was both a thief taker and the

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<v Speaker 2>leader of an organized crime organization, and that he benefited

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<v Speaker 2>financially from the return of stolen goods. When they realized

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<v Speaker 2>that their boss was not going to escape justice this time,

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<v Speaker 2>Wilde's Underworld gang turned on him. Because he didn't employ anyone,

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<v Speaker 2>at least not directly, it was always hard to pin

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<v Speaker 2>crimes on him, but it wasn't so hard when his

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<v Speaker 2>associates brought evidence against him. Straight to the court. Testimonies

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<v Speaker 2>against him painted a picture of a Jonathan Wilde, who

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<v Speaker 2>maintained long standing secret correspondence with criminals, had knowingly taken

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<v Speaker 2>possession of items that had been stolen, which is known

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<v Speaker 2>as receiving, and that he had found and fenced stolen

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<v Speaker 2>goods for his own profit. Wild was acquitted of theft,

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<v Speaker 2>but the jury convicted him of an offense that would

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<v Speaker 2>become known as Jonathan Wilde's Act. He was guilty of

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<v Speaker 2>perverting justice because he'd accepted reward without attempting to catch

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<v Speaker 2>or prosecute the thief. He was sentenced to execution.

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<v Speaker 1>In the History of the Life of the Late Mister

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<v Speaker 1>Jonathan Wilde the Great, which was a satirical novel about

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<v Speaker 1>the thief, taker Henry Fielding wrote that wild pickpocketed the

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<v Speaker 1>Newgate Ordinary on the way to the gallows, and quote

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<v Speaker 1>died with the eloquent Troup in his hand. That trophy

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<v Speaker 1>he describes was a corkscrew. Is this the truth, Probably not,

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<v Speaker 1>but it is an accurate nod to how Jonathan just

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<v Speaker 1>couldn't keep his hands out of anyone's pockets. Now branded

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<v Speaker 1>a so called director of a corporation of thieves, and

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<v Speaker 1>a most famous receiver. Wild was executed at Tiburn on

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<v Speaker 1>May twenty fourth, seventeen twenty five, to allegedly cheering crowds.

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<v Speaker 1>The proceedings of the Old Bailey summed up the case

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<v Speaker 1>quite briefly, quote the jury acquitted the prisoner of the

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<v Speaker 1>first indictment of theft and found him guilty of the

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<v Speaker 1>other death.

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<v Speaker 2>One final account of Jonathan to share with you suggests

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<v Speaker 2>that quote. In his gay hours, when his heart was open,

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<v Speaker 2>he took pleasure in recounting his past rogueries, and with

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<v Speaker 2>a great deal of humor, bragged of his biting the world.

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<v Speaker 1>Huh, do you need a swig from the hip flask?

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<v Speaker 2>Let's take a snap and see.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, So Jonathan happened in terms of like when we

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<v Speaker 1>record at a time that was fortuitous because I had

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<v Speaker 1>been craving a particular type of alcohol and it works

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<v Speaker 1>for this because I wanted to think of something, because

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<v Speaker 1>he had this kind of dual life where people thought

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<v Speaker 1>he was one thing and then discovered he was another,

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<v Speaker 1>or some people knew he was both. Some people liked him,

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<v Speaker 1>some people didn't. I wanted to see if I could

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<v Speaker 1>come up with something that starts with a drink that

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<v Speaker 1>not everyone likes, but could disguise it in a way

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<v Speaker 1>that it tastes yummier to people who think they would

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<v Speaker 1>not like it. Ah, so it's sambuca time at last.

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<v Speaker 1>I know you thought it was gonna be absinthe.

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<v Speaker 2>But I actually thought that we're going to dip artoes

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<v Speaker 2>into kampari again.

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<v Speaker 1>But I mean also that uh no, So right, Sambuca,

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<v Speaker 1>like absinthe, has a strong licorice or annis note, and

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<v Speaker 1>that's what some people either love like me or hate,

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<v Speaker 1>like my beloved. So this is we have a household

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<v Speaker 1>where we can test this right out of the can,

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<v Speaker 1>and like there's like I love for me, which is

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<v Speaker 1>not the drink today, but it's it's the base of

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<v Speaker 1>it a sambuca sour where it's just like two ounces

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<v Speaker 1>of sambuca, an ounce of lemon juice and an ounce

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<v Speaker 1>of syrup, and like put it in a little nick

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<v Speaker 1>and Nora and it's perfect for me, not for everyone.

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<v Speaker 1>The good thing is that's not a super high ABV drink.

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<v Speaker 1>Sambuca is closer to a liqueur, like you don't you

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<v Speaker 1>just don't have as much hoot in it. But I

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<v Speaker 1>was like, how can I take this drink that I

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<v Speaker 1>love desperately and make it a drink that even someone

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<v Speaker 1>who's not into sambuca might like. And so here's what

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<v Speaker 1>we did. The measures are different than what I just said.

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<v Speaker 1>So you are going to into your shaking tin put

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<v Speaker 1>three quarters of an ounce of lemon juice, three quarters

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<v Speaker 1>of an ounce of simple syrup, one and a half

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<v Speaker 1>ounces of sambuca, and a half ounce of vanilla liqueur.

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<v Speaker 1>That's optional because you could also, if you love sambuca

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<v Speaker 1>and you don't want it sweetened up like that, switch

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<v Speaker 1>that out and use vodka instead. You'll get a harder

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<v Speaker 1>hitting drink. But if you just love sambucan don't want

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<v Speaker 1>that that taste obscure, that's your option here. And then

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<v Speaker 1>you're gonna shake that with ice until it's nice and cold,

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<v Speaker 1>and you're gonna strain it over fresh ice, and then

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<v Speaker 1>just kiss it with a couple ounces of club soda.

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<v Speaker 1>And this makes almost like a lemonady looking drink because

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<v Speaker 1>of the lemon or the vanilla liqueur. But here's the thing.

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<v Speaker 1>You can taste the annis note in it, but because

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<v Speaker 1>it has that rounded base note of vanilla, it just

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<v Speaker 1>softens it up in a way, and I gave it

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<v Speaker 1>to my husband. And usually I will say, this has

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<v Speaker 1>the thing you're not gonna like in it, blah blah

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<v Speaker 1>blah blah, and I did this time as well. And often,

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<v Speaker 1>I mean sometimes I will say, like, just try this

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<v Speaker 1>and tell me what you think, so that there's no

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<v Speaker 1>preconceived notions. But I actually said, this has something you're

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<v Speaker 1>not gonna like in it. And I gave it to

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<v Speaker 1>him and he drank it and said, oh, that's not bad,

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<v Speaker 1>which is so we have made sambuca into something he

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<v Speaker 1>would drink. Oh, Like I said, if you love sambuca,

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<v Speaker 1>put in vodka instead. Listen you'll there will be more drinkies,

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<v Speaker 1>but it's not a lot more vodka, but it kicks

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<v Speaker 1>it up a little bit. To do a mocktail version

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<v Speaker 1>of this, we're gonna make it super simple. So you

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<v Speaker 1>just need an Annis or a licorice syrup. You can

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<v Speaker 1>find Annis syrup online. It's super easy. Again, a vanilla

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<v Speaker 1>syrup is optional. You could also if you wanted, grate

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<v Speaker 1>a little fresh vanilla in there or put a little

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<v Speaker 1>vanilla extract. You just want to kiss it with vanilla

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<v Speaker 1>so that the licorice gets grounded and then same thing,

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<v Speaker 1>lemon juice, a little simple syrup, and just I would

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<v Speaker 1>put more soda in those, so you're essentially making like

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<v Speaker 1>an anis and vanilla soda and just let it be

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<v Speaker 1>a nice give it a good swizzle with your barspoon,

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<v Speaker 1>or if you just want to swizzle it around with

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<v Speaker 1>your straw, that's fine. But it makes a nice summer sip.

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<v Speaker 1>It's also more than one hundred degrees here, so that's

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<v Speaker 1>part of why I wanted to do a drink that

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<v Speaker 1>went over ice and had a little more liquid to

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<v Speaker 1>it that would be a little more hydrating, because the

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<v Speaker 1>real feel is one hundred and eight right now, and

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<v Speaker 1>I need I need something to soften that eat. And

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<v Speaker 1>we're calling this one up to no Good because that

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<v Speaker 1>seems like the only appropriate thing for a Jonathan Wild

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<v Speaker 1>drink because it includes the word good in it. But

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<v Speaker 1>that wasn't what he was actually doing, so we're remaking

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<v Speaker 1>it into something that hides it's true nature a little bit.

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<v Speaker 1>That's Jonathan Wild for you. Thank you for giving me

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<v Speaker 1>this opportunity to drink sambouca Maria. I mean, I don't

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<v Speaker 1>really need permission, but I have been craving it and

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<v Speaker 1>it was a good excuse. So there you go. You're welcome.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh man, I love it. I'll just man put that

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<v Speaker 1>in a poost cafe and when I get to that layer,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm so excited and I'm so excited. If you make

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<v Speaker 1>this you find it yummy. If you are a licorice person,

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<v Speaker 1>like I said, and you make the cocktail version, which

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<v Speaker 1>I am, Oh man, give me black licorice everything. I

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<v Speaker 1>love it. Yeah, throw that baby together in your set

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<v Speaker 1>for summer. We hope if you make this that you

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<v Speaker 1>find it yummy. We will be right back here again

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<v Speaker 1>next week with another tale of highway robbery and some

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<v Speaker 1>drinks to go along with it. Criminalia is a production

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