1 00:00:00,520 --> 00:00:05,199 Speaker 1: Live from our nation's camera. How do we reopen this economy? 2 00:00:05,320 --> 00:00:08,440 Speaker 1: The latest on how this pandemic is impacting farmers. What 3 00:00:08,560 --> 00:00:11,560 Speaker 1: does this do from the United States relationship with China? 4 00:00:11,720 --> 00:00:16,640 Speaker 1: Floomberg Sound on, the insiders, the influencers, the insides. We're 5 00:00:16,680 --> 00:00:19,840 Speaker 1: responding to this crisis and manufacturers are stepping up like 6 00:00:20,000 --> 00:00:23,560 Speaker 1: never before. You're looking at seveny Kennedys for different doctems. 7 00:00:23,600 --> 00:00:26,240 Speaker 1: How do we make sure a pandemic of this scale 8 00:00:26,320 --> 00:00:30,400 Speaker 1: never happens again? This is Bloomberg Sound On with Kevin 9 00:00:30,480 --> 00:00:34,920 Speaker 1: Surrelate on Bloomberg and one oh five point seven fm 10 00:00:35,080 --> 00:00:40,000 Speaker 1: h D two. William Barr goes after Beijing. The Attorney 11 00:00:40,000 --> 00:00:42,720 Speaker 1: General did so by accusing Disney and Apple of being 12 00:00:42,760 --> 00:00:46,440 Speaker 1: pawns of China, enabling it to amass influence and wealth 13 00:00:46,479 --> 00:00:49,200 Speaker 1: at the expense of the United States. We will dive 14 00:00:49,280 --> 00:00:54,640 Speaker 1: into that with our all star political panel. Rick Davis 15 00:00:55,000 --> 00:01:01,200 Speaker 1: returns and Congressman Ken Buck, a Republican sent in Colorado's 16 00:01:01,360 --> 00:01:06,320 Speaker 1: fourth congressional district. He's got an OpEd out in Newsweek 17 00:01:06,760 --> 00:01:10,640 Speaker 1: on TikTok? Is the clock ticking on TikTok as it 18 00:01:10,680 --> 00:01:12,880 Speaker 1: relates to China. You don't want to miss that and 19 00:01:13,680 --> 00:01:17,040 Speaker 1: beyond that an exclusive interview with the Governor of Michigan. 20 00:01:17,160 --> 00:01:21,880 Speaker 1: Earlier today, I spoke with Governor Whitmer, and I asked 21 00:01:21,880 --> 00:01:26,120 Speaker 1: her about everything. How would Joe Biden administration impact the 22 00:01:26,200 --> 00:01:29,160 Speaker 1: key battle ground state. I'll play for you that as 23 00:01:29,240 --> 00:01:31,400 Speaker 1: well as a conversation I had with our very own 24 00:01:31,440 --> 00:01:37,880 Speaker 1: Congresswoman Eleanor Holmes Norton, Washington D's congressional representative, who has 25 00:01:37,920 --> 00:01:42,520 Speaker 1: been thrust into the spotlight given a very intense summer 26 00:01:42,680 --> 00:01:45,679 Speaker 1: here in the district, a lot to get through. Thanks 27 00:01:45,720 --> 00:01:48,600 Speaker 1: for joining us. Buckle up, We've got a lots of 28 00:01:48,640 --> 00:01:51,720 Speaker 1: conversation to be had. Washington d C has been in 29 00:01:51,720 --> 00:01:54,760 Speaker 1: the national spotlight because of a series of unrest as 30 00:01:54,760 --> 00:01:57,680 Speaker 1: well as because of what's been going on with the 31 00:01:57,720 --> 00:02:02,360 Speaker 1: Washington Redskins. So I caught up with Congressman Eleanor Holmes Norton, 32 00:02:02,640 --> 00:02:05,560 Speaker 1: Washington d C is very own congressional representative for a 33 00:02:05,640 --> 00:02:08,680 Speaker 1: conversation about all of it. Take a listen. I do 34 00:02:08,880 --> 00:02:15,480 Speaker 1: think that the George Floyd killing has folks focused people 35 00:02:15,680 --> 00:02:27,200 Speaker 1: locally on various um misgivings, various problems in our country, 36 00:02:27,320 --> 00:02:29,880 Speaker 1: and it has made it easier for me to focus 37 00:02:29,919 --> 00:02:32,560 Speaker 1: on some of those in the district of Colombia's statehood 38 00:02:32,560 --> 00:02:37,680 Speaker 1: at the top of the list. But for example, I 39 00:02:37,720 --> 00:02:41,680 Speaker 1: have been able to get bills through UH UH and 40 00:02:41,800 --> 00:02:45,040 Speaker 1: to get focused on bills like the Washington football team name. 41 00:02:46,320 --> 00:02:49,639 Speaker 1: A lot of that comes out of the new focus 42 00:02:49,720 --> 00:02:54,880 Speaker 1: on whatever in our country is unjust and so but 43 00:02:55,000 --> 00:02:57,120 Speaker 1: let me let me follow up on this because on 44 00:02:57,200 --> 00:03:00,400 Speaker 1: the issue of statehood for Washington, d C. How do 45 00:03:00,520 --> 00:03:05,760 Speaker 1: you capitalized or create momentum, Congresswoman, not just in the 46 00:03:05,840 --> 00:03:08,639 Speaker 1: district but around the country. Because at a time in 47 00:03:08,680 --> 00:03:12,600 Speaker 1: which so many Americans are facing so much uncertainty in 48 00:03:12,639 --> 00:03:17,040 Speaker 1: their own communities, why should they care about Washington d C. 49 00:03:17,360 --> 00:03:21,120 Speaker 1: Have having the right to to be a state. The 50 00:03:21,160 --> 00:03:24,920 Speaker 1: biggest move toward momentum is for the first time in 51 00:03:24,960 --> 00:03:28,160 Speaker 1: two hundred nineteen years, passing this bill in the House 52 00:03:28,200 --> 00:03:31,520 Speaker 1: of Representatives. But you are right, once you pass a 53 00:03:31,520 --> 00:03:34,600 Speaker 1: bill in the House, you've got a lot of work 54 00:03:34,720 --> 00:03:39,080 Speaker 1: to do to one draw attention of the American people 55 00:03:40,320 --> 00:03:44,520 Speaker 1: UH and to get it passed in the Senate. There 56 00:03:44,600 --> 00:03:49,240 Speaker 1: are now over a hundred organizations of local and particularly 57 00:03:49,360 --> 00:03:55,960 Speaker 1: national that are spreading the word throughout the United States. 58 00:03:56,000 --> 00:03:59,400 Speaker 1: In fact. Uh. If you look at the polls, most 59 00:03:59,400 --> 00:04:03,800 Speaker 1: people are confused. Many of them think we already have 60 00:04:04,080 --> 00:04:07,120 Speaker 1: the same rights they have. Many of them see me 61 00:04:07,200 --> 00:04:09,920 Speaker 1: on the House floor and think, well, that means she's 62 00:04:10,000 --> 00:04:13,200 Speaker 1: just like everybody else. So there's a lot of confusion 63 00:04:13,240 --> 00:04:15,120 Speaker 1: that needs to be strained out, and I think the 64 00:04:15,200 --> 00:04:19,200 Speaker 1: passage of the bill will help to do that as 65 00:04:19,240 --> 00:04:22,560 Speaker 1: a as a starter. And the second thing that's going 66 00:04:22,600 --> 00:04:27,360 Speaker 1: to help is that, according to the polls, they could change. 67 00:04:27,480 --> 00:04:31,080 Speaker 1: But we're now in July. I'm talking about just a 68 00:04:31,120 --> 00:04:36,120 Speaker 1: couple of months forward. Those polls show that the Senate 69 00:04:36,320 --> 00:04:41,120 Speaker 1: is likely to change hands two Democrats, and the President 70 00:04:41,240 --> 00:04:45,320 Speaker 1: is even in worth trouble than the Senate. All of 71 00:04:45,360 --> 00:04:49,479 Speaker 1: that means forward motion on DC statehood. You are the 72 00:04:49,520 --> 00:04:54,120 Speaker 1: first female chair of the US Equal Employment Opportunity Commissioned. 73 00:04:54,640 --> 00:04:59,800 Speaker 1: So much of the national conversation Congresswoman is about how 74 00:04:59,839 --> 00:05:04,040 Speaker 1: to we not only recover from this pandemic, but how 75 00:05:04,040 --> 00:05:08,320 Speaker 1: do we rebuild in a way that is actually more equal. 76 00:05:08,680 --> 00:05:11,960 Speaker 1: In the nation's capital, in the district itself, race and 77 00:05:12,080 --> 00:05:15,960 Speaker 1: race equality have, for the first time in generation, has 78 00:05:16,040 --> 00:05:18,960 Speaker 1: become a national issue. The issue really isn't in the 79 00:05:19,000 --> 00:05:21,919 Speaker 1: District of Colombia. The District of Colombia is about half 80 00:05:21,920 --> 00:05:25,960 Speaker 1: black and half white, as a very prosssive district. UH. 81 00:05:26,000 --> 00:05:28,720 Speaker 1: This is a national issue. And look what it took 82 00:05:28,760 --> 00:05:31,440 Speaker 1: to make it a national all for that matter, local 83 00:05:31,480 --> 00:05:37,560 Speaker 1: and state issue. It took eyewitness account or eyewitness views 84 00:05:37,720 --> 00:05:41,359 Speaker 1: of the actual killing of an African American bi white 85 00:05:41,360 --> 00:05:46,120 Speaker 1: police officer that has third a call for racial equality 86 00:05:46,200 --> 00:05:50,240 Speaker 1: really large. And that's what we're seeing now, a in 87 00:05:50,480 --> 00:05:55,480 Speaker 1: tolerance of of a kind we've never seen in our 88 00:05:55,520 --> 00:06:02,840 Speaker 1: country for our inequality for black people. You know when 89 00:06:02,880 --> 00:06:05,520 Speaker 1: I when a couple of weeks ago, right when everything 90 00:06:05,600 --> 00:06:09,760 Speaker 1: was shut down, I spoke with Virginia Ali, Mrs Virginia Ali, 91 00:06:09,839 --> 00:06:12,919 Speaker 1: who is of course the co founder, co owner of 92 00:06:12,960 --> 00:06:18,000 Speaker 1: Bench Chili Bowl and iconic UH small business in the district, 93 00:06:18,200 --> 00:06:21,880 Speaker 1: and I was struck by her historical perspective on the 94 00:06:21,960 --> 00:06:26,640 Speaker 1: moment that we find ourselves in. And I you know, 95 00:06:26,680 --> 00:06:30,240 Speaker 1: when when you talk to the small businesses in the district, congresswomen, 96 00:06:30,640 --> 00:06:34,760 Speaker 1: there are so many concerns that they might have to 97 00:06:34,760 --> 00:06:38,640 Speaker 1: close down, that these small business loans, that these banks 98 00:06:38,720 --> 00:06:40,839 Speaker 1: are not going to be able to provide for the 99 00:06:40,880 --> 00:06:44,400 Speaker 1: small businesses like the ones in the district. Are you 100 00:06:44,480 --> 00:06:47,680 Speaker 1: concerned about that? And what would your message be two 101 00:06:47,680 --> 00:06:50,800 Speaker 1: people like Mrs Virginia Ali as well as small business 102 00:06:50,800 --> 00:06:53,920 Speaker 1: owners in the district who are feeling that economic anxiety. 103 00:06:54,920 --> 00:06:59,039 Speaker 1: Virginia Ali is uh emblematic of small businesses in the 104 00:06:59,080 --> 00:07:04,080 Speaker 1: district of column here. Uh she has indeed and she 105 00:07:04,120 --> 00:07:08,760 Speaker 1: has managed to keep open when other small businesses have succumbed, 106 00:07:08,839 --> 00:07:13,320 Speaker 1: and of course many are succombing as I speak. Everybody 107 00:07:13,400 --> 00:07:16,160 Speaker 1: thinks of the District of Columbia, and you can understand 108 00:07:16,640 --> 00:07:20,840 Speaker 1: why as a a federal city. But I'm here to 109 00:07:20,920 --> 00:07:23,360 Speaker 1: tell them that when it comes to business, we don't 110 00:07:23,360 --> 00:07:27,679 Speaker 1: have many large businesses. We are a small business town. 111 00:07:28,440 --> 00:07:34,200 Speaker 1: So what whatever determines the fate of small business determines 112 00:07:34,400 --> 00:07:37,000 Speaker 1: the fate of the district budget and of the district 113 00:07:37,080 --> 00:07:43,520 Speaker 1: residents themselves. That's why I'm very concerned, for example, with 114 00:07:43,560 --> 00:07:49,800 Speaker 1: the next coronavirus bill, to make sure that small businesses 115 00:07:49,840 --> 00:07:55,560 Speaker 1: are funded because they are the life blood of my 116 00:07:55,680 --> 00:07:59,040 Speaker 1: own district here in the District of Colombia. And just 117 00:07:59,160 --> 00:08:02,040 Speaker 1: a final question on the issue of the Washington Redskins, 118 00:08:02,040 --> 00:08:04,600 Speaker 1: save annalynced that they are going to in fact be 119 00:08:05,200 --> 00:08:09,960 Speaker 1: changing their name. Uh. Many have said it's about time. 120 00:08:10,640 --> 00:08:14,400 Speaker 1: What do you think the Washington football team should be renamed? 121 00:08:14,560 --> 00:08:16,720 Speaker 1: And what do you think it represents that they're that 122 00:08:16,880 --> 00:08:21,440 Speaker 1: they're in fact going to change it. But it's it's 123 00:08:21,520 --> 00:08:24,760 Speaker 1: way over time. But it's the latest outcome of the 124 00:08:24,800 --> 00:08:32,920 Speaker 1: George Floyd Revolution, as it were, that everything that speaks 125 00:08:33,040 --> 00:08:38,439 Speaker 1: or reeks of racism is being examined. Of course, Dan 126 00:08:38,520 --> 00:08:41,760 Speaker 1: Shanader said he would quote never change the name. Never 127 00:08:41,800 --> 00:08:45,840 Speaker 1: has become. Now we don't know what the name will be, 128 00:08:46,040 --> 00:08:48,480 Speaker 1: and we don't much care as long as it's a 129 00:08:48,720 --> 00:08:54,360 Speaker 1: name that doesn't cast racial or other aspersion. We understand 130 00:08:54,440 --> 00:08:57,559 Speaker 1: he's trying that name. How he's trying to be very careful. 131 00:08:57,600 --> 00:09:01,040 Speaker 1: He doesn't want to commit the sin twice. Uh. And 132 00:09:01,280 --> 00:09:05,920 Speaker 1: I expect that within the next frankly few days, because 133 00:09:05,960 --> 00:09:09,360 Speaker 1: the season opens in September here, he is going to 134 00:09:09,480 --> 00:09:12,120 Speaker 1: have to come out with the name. I understand he's 135 00:09:12,120 --> 00:09:14,640 Speaker 1: looking at two names. He hasn't told us what they are, 136 00:09:15,600 --> 00:09:18,240 Speaker 1: but he doesn't have much time. His time has way 137 00:09:18,360 --> 00:09:22,400 Speaker 1: run out. His time has way run out. That according 138 00:09:22,480 --> 00:09:27,960 Speaker 1: to Congress Concresswoman Eleanor Holmes, Norton, Washington, DC's congressional representative. 139 00:09:28,040 --> 00:09:31,079 Speaker 1: More Next, I'm Kevin Sireli, Chief Washington correspondent for Bloomberg 140 00:09:31,080 --> 00:09:41,880 Speaker 1: TV and Radio, and you're listening to Bloomberg. You're listening 141 00:09:41,960 --> 00:09:46,560 Speaker 1: to Bloomberg. Sound On with Kevin Surreley on Bloomberg and 142 00:09:46,600 --> 00:09:48,800 Speaker 1: one oh five point seven f M h D two. 143 00:09:49,640 --> 00:09:53,720 Speaker 1: My name is Kevin Currelli on the chief Washington correspondent 144 00:09:53,760 --> 00:09:59,640 Speaker 1: for Bloomberg Television and for Bloomberg Radio. Shake up, shake 145 00:09:59,760 --> 00:10:05,959 Speaker 1: up for President Trump's re election campaign. Here we go. 146 00:10:06,679 --> 00:10:11,040 Speaker 1: The new Trump campaign manager vows to expose Joe Biden 147 00:10:11,120 --> 00:10:16,240 Speaker 1: as Brad Parscal transfers powers. Reading now from Fox News 148 00:10:16,480 --> 00:10:20,400 Speaker 1: dot Com Bill Steppi and stepping into the lead place. 149 00:10:21,200 --> 00:10:24,800 Speaker 1: President Trump's outgoing re election campaign manager and his successor 150 00:10:24,880 --> 00:10:28,120 Speaker 1: met Thursday with staffers at the campaigns headquarters in Arlington, 151 00:10:28,200 --> 00:10:32,600 Speaker 1: Virginia for a transfer of power type ceremony. Hours later, 152 00:10:32,679 --> 00:10:35,920 Speaker 1: new campaign manager Bill Steppi and said the person he replaced, 153 00:10:36,360 --> 00:10:40,760 Speaker 1: Brad Parscal, will remain heavily involved. All right, let's talk 154 00:10:40,880 --> 00:10:44,480 Speaker 1: to a guy who knows a thing or two about 155 00:10:44,520 --> 00:10:48,319 Speaker 1: campaign's and shake ups. His name is Rick Davis. Rick 156 00:10:48,480 --> 00:10:50,920 Speaker 1: is a partner at Stone Corps Capital. He's the former 157 00:10:50,960 --> 00:10:54,600 Speaker 1: campaign manager to John McCain's two thousand and eight presidential campaign, 158 00:10:54,679 --> 00:10:58,360 Speaker 1: and of course a Blueberg contributor. Rick, The last time 159 00:10:58,400 --> 00:11:00,120 Speaker 1: I saw you was on the Mini Super two his 160 00:11:00,200 --> 00:11:02,480 Speaker 1: day when they were shutting everything down. You were the 161 00:11:02,559 --> 00:11:08,079 Speaker 1: last person I interviewed inside in person in the bureau. 162 00:11:08,280 --> 00:11:10,079 Speaker 1: Now I've been, I've been, They've They've let me out 163 00:11:10,080 --> 00:11:11,680 Speaker 1: of the Bloomberg gear a little bit. I go to 164 00:11:11,720 --> 00:11:14,079 Speaker 1: Capitol Hill. You know, we've done you know, labor, We've 165 00:11:14,080 --> 00:11:16,320 Speaker 1: been to bench, chili bowing the like. But that's how 166 00:11:16,360 --> 00:11:18,640 Speaker 1: I remember your rickell. How first of all, how are you? 167 00:11:19,280 --> 00:11:21,800 Speaker 1: I'm doing good? Thank you for asking, Kevin, and I 168 00:11:22,120 --> 00:11:24,360 Speaker 1: miss you, my friend. I look forward to the next 169 00:11:24,400 --> 00:11:27,160 Speaker 1: in person interview sometimes soon, so do I, so do I. 170 00:11:27,200 --> 00:11:29,440 Speaker 1: And I hope that that your family and the quarantine 171 00:11:29,920 --> 00:11:32,280 Speaker 1: is going uh is going well for you? Okay? Shake 172 00:11:32,360 --> 00:11:35,760 Speaker 1: up at Trump twenty world. What's going on? What? Wh 173 00:11:35,840 --> 00:11:38,920 Speaker 1: Who's Bill Stepian? Who tell us tell Washington who Bill 174 00:11:38,960 --> 00:11:42,079 Speaker 1: Stepion is if they don't already know him well Bill, 175 00:11:42,240 --> 00:11:47,719 Speaker 1: Bill is an actual, real trained operative of politics, right, 176 00:11:47,800 --> 00:11:51,160 Speaker 1: I mean, so much of the Trump campaign certainly in 177 00:11:51,200 --> 00:11:54,120 Speaker 1: two thousand and sixteen, and and and and and many 178 00:11:54,200 --> 00:11:56,840 Speaker 1: of them who have come back to help run the 179 00:11:56,920 --> 00:12:01,880 Speaker 1: current campaign had prior to Trump literally no political experience. 180 00:12:01,920 --> 00:12:06,400 Speaker 1: I mean senior people like Brad Parshall's and and and 181 00:12:06,400 --> 00:12:09,160 Speaker 1: and and of course Jared Kirshner, who really is the 182 00:12:09,400 --> 00:12:13,280 Speaker 1: campaign manager for this for this re election campaign, had 183 00:12:13,320 --> 00:12:17,920 Speaker 1: had literally no previous political experience. Bill is completely different. 184 00:12:17,960 --> 00:12:19,880 Speaker 1: I mean Bill was born out of the rough and 185 00:12:19,920 --> 00:12:23,280 Speaker 1: tumble of New Jersey politics. He had been active at 186 00:12:23,320 --> 00:12:27,320 Speaker 1: the local level of state level. It wasn't until really 187 00:12:27,840 --> 00:12:30,400 Speaker 1: UM two thousand and sixteen where he was going to 188 00:12:30,480 --> 00:12:34,120 Speaker 1: get a view of national presidential politics. He was going 189 00:12:34,160 --> 00:12:37,720 Speaker 1: to run Chris Christie's campaign, but got embroiled in the 190 00:12:38,760 --> 00:12:44,200 Speaker 1: in the Bridgegate scandal, and UM wound up rebounding nicely, 191 00:12:44,240 --> 00:12:47,320 Speaker 1: but it cost him his job as Chris Christie's campaign 192 00:12:47,320 --> 00:12:52,320 Speaker 1: manager for his fledgling UH campaign in two thousand and sixteen. 193 00:12:52,720 --> 00:12:56,320 Speaker 1: Probably vote as well for the fact that he's now 194 00:12:56,400 --> 00:12:59,920 Speaker 1: running Trump's campaign, because we know Trump hasn't really invited 195 00:13:00,040 --> 00:13:02,839 Speaker 1: any of the people who rank campaigns against him into 196 00:13:02,880 --> 00:13:07,480 Speaker 1: the into the Trump orbit. UH. Their establishment guys and 197 00:13:07,480 --> 00:13:10,200 Speaker 1: and and and so is Stepian. I mean, he comes 198 00:13:10,360 --> 00:13:15,240 Speaker 1: right out of the Republican East Coast establishment, but I 199 00:13:15,240 --> 00:13:20,520 Speaker 1: would say from a apples to apples comparison, he is 200 00:13:20,559 --> 00:13:23,560 Speaker 1: someone who is ready to run a presidential campaign, has 201 00:13:23,640 --> 00:13:28,120 Speaker 1: the skill set to do it, and probably a good 202 00:13:28,200 --> 00:13:31,200 Speaker 1: pick by Trump to take the helm of his campaign 203 00:13:31,200 --> 00:13:34,280 Speaker 1: at a time when it's pretty rocky. Are a consummate 204 00:13:34,440 --> 00:13:36,839 Speaker 1: political insider? Vic Davis is on the line, Rick, Okay, 205 00:13:36,840 --> 00:13:39,080 Speaker 1: so now let me know who Bill is put on 206 00:13:39,280 --> 00:13:43,199 Speaker 1: your strategic thinking cap for us? What would you do? 207 00:13:43,320 --> 00:13:45,360 Speaker 1: What is what is Bill's first move to do in 208 00:13:45,480 --> 00:13:49,600 Speaker 1: Arlington's to to get some back, some momentum for the 209 00:13:49,600 --> 00:13:53,640 Speaker 1: Trump campaign. Well, unfortunately, I've been involved in so many 210 00:13:53,760 --> 00:13:59,720 Speaker 1: campaign intrigues like this. I mean virtually every presidential campaign, uh, 211 00:13:59,760 --> 00:14:01,840 Speaker 1: that I've ever been involved in, dating back to two 212 00:14:01,840 --> 00:14:06,439 Speaker 1: thousand or nine eight Reagan campaign has had its fill 213 00:14:06,840 --> 00:14:12,520 Speaker 1: of a big management changes late and early in the process. 214 00:14:12,679 --> 00:14:15,400 Speaker 1: This is pretty late in the process. So what can 215 00:14:15,440 --> 00:14:19,000 Speaker 1: he can control at this stage? Um? The number one 216 00:14:19,040 --> 00:14:22,560 Speaker 1: thing is money. The Trump campaign has done an amazing 217 00:14:22,640 --> 00:14:27,680 Speaker 1: job of collecting resources, uh, finances, and and and He's 218 00:14:27,680 --> 00:14:29,680 Speaker 1: going to take a look at the budget and say Okay, 219 00:14:29,840 --> 00:14:32,200 Speaker 1: do we have the money to go to the places 220 00:14:32,240 --> 00:14:34,400 Speaker 1: that we need to be able to win? Uh? So 221 00:14:34,560 --> 00:14:38,360 Speaker 1: number one is a campaign too big? Right, Many, many 222 00:14:38,400 --> 00:14:43,160 Speaker 1: reports have indicated that this is the largest presidential campaign 223 00:14:43,280 --> 00:14:47,520 Speaker 1: in modern history by the number of people it's actually hired. 224 00:14:47,560 --> 00:14:51,440 Speaker 1: The last count I saw was undred. That's an enormous payroll. 225 00:14:52,040 --> 00:14:55,160 Speaker 1: That sucks a lot of cash out of the political system. 226 00:14:55,280 --> 00:14:59,040 Speaker 1: Uh it was a significantly smaller campaign in two thousand 227 00:14:59,040 --> 00:15:00,800 Speaker 1: and sixteen. So the ast thing he's gonna do is 228 00:15:00,800 --> 00:15:03,160 Speaker 1: say do I really need all these people? And he's 229 00:15:03,160 --> 00:15:05,880 Speaker 1: gonna take a look at both the hierarchy folks who 230 00:15:05,880 --> 00:15:09,120 Speaker 1: are making decisions and also the manpower in the states, 231 00:15:09,160 --> 00:15:11,520 Speaker 1: and say do we really need all this stuff? So 232 00:15:11,640 --> 00:15:14,800 Speaker 1: potentially freeing up some resources too, He's going to take 233 00:15:14,800 --> 00:15:17,280 Speaker 1: a hard look at where they are in these states. 234 00:15:17,600 --> 00:15:20,720 Speaker 1: He won't care at all about the national polling. The 235 00:15:20,800 --> 00:15:24,320 Speaker 1: national polling sucks for the Trump campaign. We have two 236 00:15:24,320 --> 00:15:27,480 Speaker 1: new polls out this week that show that he Trump 237 00:15:27,560 --> 00:15:31,200 Speaker 1: is lagging behind Biden by more than ten in one 238 00:15:31,200 --> 00:15:35,680 Speaker 1: of them. And these are legitimate news agency polls and 239 00:15:35,880 --> 00:15:40,000 Speaker 1: have to be considered. But nobody plays presidential politics by 240 00:15:40,000 --> 00:15:44,120 Speaker 1: the national polls. You care about battleground states, and the 241 00:15:44,240 --> 00:15:47,760 Speaker 1: question that's been plaguing the Trump campaign is where do 242 00:15:47,800 --> 00:15:50,000 Speaker 1: you where are you gonna win? And what do you 243 00:15:50,040 --> 00:15:52,680 Speaker 1: have to stop from losing. He was in Georgia this week. 244 00:15:52,720 --> 00:15:58,480 Speaker 1: Trump was to promote his campaign and to support to 245 00:15:59,400 --> 00:16:02,320 Speaker 1: republic Is running for the Senate. It's a state where 246 00:16:02,360 --> 00:16:04,880 Speaker 1: has a special election in the Senate and in a 247 00:16:04,920 --> 00:16:07,640 Speaker 1: regular re election. So it's a really important state and 248 00:16:07,720 --> 00:16:11,840 Speaker 1: a state that by most state polling indicates that it's 249 00:16:12,280 --> 00:16:14,880 Speaker 1: it's a marginal air of state. Now nobody would be 250 00:16:15,520 --> 00:16:19,600 Speaker 1: would be you know, uh surprised to have Trump win 251 00:16:19,880 --> 00:16:24,240 Speaker 1: a predictably read state like Georgia. But the idea that 252 00:16:24,280 --> 00:16:26,280 Speaker 1: he has to go there, he has to buy TV 253 00:16:26,880 --> 00:16:29,200 Speaker 1: guest a campaign, he has to put people on the ground, 254 00:16:29,840 --> 00:16:33,440 Speaker 1: the time, the money spent in a reliably read state, 255 00:16:34,400 --> 00:16:37,200 Speaker 1: I guarantee you Bill Stepians scratching his head going, we 256 00:16:37,280 --> 00:16:41,880 Speaker 1: can't possibly lose Georgia. And so if we lose Georgia, 257 00:16:42,080 --> 00:16:45,680 Speaker 1: it means we've lost you know, forty other states before 258 00:16:45,720 --> 00:16:49,240 Speaker 1: we get to Georgia. So what is our electoral vote strategy? 259 00:16:49,600 --> 00:16:51,640 Speaker 1: And so he's going to hunker down and really take 260 00:16:51,680 --> 00:16:53,960 Speaker 1: a cut on that, and that's going to really drive 261 00:16:54,120 --> 00:16:57,200 Speaker 1: all the future decisions of this campaign. Alright, we're gonna 262 00:16:57,240 --> 00:16:58,800 Speaker 1: have to leave it there, my friend. But before I 263 00:16:58,880 --> 00:17:01,160 Speaker 1: let you go, my dad turns seventy next weekend. What 264 00:17:01,200 --> 00:17:05,000 Speaker 1: should I get him for his birthday? Well, nobody wears 265 00:17:05,040 --> 00:17:07,960 Speaker 1: ties anymore in the post coronavirus period, so I'm not 266 00:17:08,000 --> 00:17:10,159 Speaker 1: getting mixed really a tie that I can tell you. 267 00:17:10,200 --> 00:17:11,800 Speaker 1: Go ahead, What what do you think? What should I 268 00:17:11,800 --> 00:17:15,879 Speaker 1: get him? I don't know. Your dad is probably a 269 00:17:15,920 --> 00:17:18,639 Speaker 1: lot like mine. He has everything he needs in his life. 270 00:17:18,840 --> 00:17:21,919 Speaker 1: And uh, and I think just a call from his 271 00:17:22,000 --> 00:17:23,679 Speaker 1: son to say how much you love him is the 272 00:17:23,720 --> 00:17:26,560 Speaker 1: best best gift you could give your father. I love that, 273 00:17:26,640 --> 00:17:29,080 Speaker 1: Thank you, Rick Davis More. Next Mike's was an interview 274 00:17:29,119 --> 00:17:33,680 Speaker 1: with Governor Gretchen Whitberg, Democrat of Michigan. That's next. I'm 275 00:17:33,720 --> 00:17:39,040 Speaker 1: Kevin Surreley. You're listening to Bloomberg and Night and I one. 276 00:17:41,800 --> 00:17:46,320 Speaker 1: This is Bloomberg's sound on with Kevin Surreley on Bloomberg 277 00:17:47,480 --> 00:17:49,880 Speaker 1: and one oh five point seven f m HD two. 278 00:17:50,560 --> 00:17:55,159 Speaker 1: I'm Kevin SERELLI, chief Washington correspondent for Bloomberg Television and 279 00:17:55,280 --> 00:18:00,359 Speaker 1: for Bloomberg Radio Battleground Michigan. Right, Michigan is a utial 280 00:18:00,600 --> 00:18:06,760 Speaker 1: crucial state with regards to UH, the account for Joe 281 00:18:06,760 --> 00:18:08,919 Speaker 1: Biden wants to went it back from Republicans. So earlier 282 00:18:08,920 --> 00:18:13,240 Speaker 1: today for Bloomberg TV and Radio, I interviewed Governor Aggression Whitmer, 283 00:18:13,320 --> 00:18:16,800 Speaker 1: the Democrat, and asked her about what a Biden administration 284 00:18:16,840 --> 00:18:20,200 Speaker 1: would mean for the economy and the impact on her state. 285 00:18:20,320 --> 00:18:22,320 Speaker 1: Take a listen to what you told me when you're 286 00:18:22,320 --> 00:18:27,320 Speaker 1: talking about smart infrastructure, when you're talking about electrified vehicles 287 00:18:27,400 --> 00:18:30,080 Speaker 1: and the infrastructure to support them. That's some of the 288 00:18:30,160 --> 00:18:33,520 Speaker 1: incredible work that is happening here in Detroit, Michigan. And 289 00:18:33,560 --> 00:18:36,359 Speaker 1: so I think when Joe Biden puts a plan out 290 00:18:36,440 --> 00:18:39,680 Speaker 1: like the one that he did, we understand that this 291 00:18:39,760 --> 00:18:42,400 Speaker 1: is about the future of our state, of our country. 292 00:18:42,720 --> 00:18:45,320 Speaker 1: This is about the strength of our economy. This is 293 00:18:45,359 --> 00:18:49,800 Speaker 1: about good paying, long term UH jobs that are going 294 00:18:49,880 --> 00:18:53,480 Speaker 1: to raise people out of poverty and into the middle 295 00:18:53,560 --> 00:18:56,439 Speaker 1: class where they can prosper. And in a time where 296 00:18:57,000 --> 00:19:01,120 Speaker 1: right now the White Houses focused and tearing down their 297 00:19:01,119 --> 00:19:05,879 Speaker 1: own public health expert and selling goy of beans, this 298 00:19:06,000 --> 00:19:08,480 Speaker 1: is a man who is really putting out a plan 299 00:19:08,640 --> 00:19:10,760 Speaker 1: for the future that is thinking about the problems that 300 00:19:10,800 --> 00:19:13,199 Speaker 1: we're in front of that have been exposed by COVID 301 00:19:13,320 --> 00:19:16,359 Speaker 1: nineteen and the lack of a strategy. And I think 302 00:19:16,440 --> 00:19:19,760 Speaker 1: this is precisely what we in Michigan and Americans everywhere 303 00:19:19,760 --> 00:19:22,240 Speaker 1: are eager to see in our leader. No, let me 304 00:19:22,240 --> 00:19:24,919 Speaker 1: follow up on this, because obviously the auto industry is 305 00:19:24,960 --> 00:19:28,800 Speaker 1: such a crucial sector in your state, and so one 306 00:19:28,840 --> 00:19:33,080 Speaker 1: of the criticisms that Republicans lab against Democrats is that 307 00:19:33,160 --> 00:19:36,520 Speaker 1: by going to a different type of energy source that 308 00:19:36,560 --> 00:19:39,560 Speaker 1: it would cost people jobs. I'm sure that's a concern 309 00:19:39,560 --> 00:19:41,600 Speaker 1: that you've heard from some of your constituents. How do 310 00:19:41,640 --> 00:19:44,119 Speaker 1: you answer them. I feel like that's kind of the 311 00:19:44,200 --> 00:19:48,720 Speaker 1: Republican mantra against green energy. The fact of the matter 312 00:19:48,800 --> 00:19:52,160 Speaker 1: is there's more jobs that pay well in that sector. 313 00:19:52,600 --> 00:19:55,120 Speaker 1: And not only is it about those of us who 314 00:19:55,359 --> 00:19:58,199 Speaker 1: are are here and now, but it's about our future, 315 00:19:58,240 --> 00:20:01,920 Speaker 1: about future generations. This is a moment, I would hope 316 00:20:02,280 --> 00:20:06,320 Speaker 1: where we all see that science is important. We need 317 00:20:06,359 --> 00:20:10,560 Speaker 1: to understand what our behavior has meant to our ability to, 318 00:20:10,880 --> 00:20:13,240 Speaker 1: you know, ensure that we've got a climate that will 319 00:20:13,280 --> 00:20:18,200 Speaker 1: sustain generations of Americans. In the future, UM and people 320 00:20:18,240 --> 00:20:21,879 Speaker 1: around the world. This is a reality that we're all confronting, 321 00:20:21,920 --> 00:20:23,879 Speaker 1: that we're all seen, and it's time for us to 322 00:20:23,960 --> 00:20:28,359 Speaker 1: really double down, pay attention to the science, learn, get smarter, 323 00:20:28,560 --> 00:20:32,760 Speaker 1: and build an economy that is truly sustainable in every way. 324 00:20:32,920 --> 00:20:36,560 Speaker 1: So meanwhile, the President also frequently talks about trade policies 325 00:20:36,600 --> 00:20:40,640 Speaker 1: as a key part of his economic vision. Trade policies 326 00:20:40,640 --> 00:20:43,080 Speaker 1: are so crucial to your state, whether it's U. S 327 00:20:43,200 --> 00:20:47,239 Speaker 1: m c A or China. And negotiating with China, how 328 00:20:47,280 --> 00:20:52,879 Speaker 1: would Abiden administration uh handtle not just U. S m 329 00:20:52,960 --> 00:20:56,120 Speaker 1: c A, but also negotiating with Shijing Ping in order 330 00:20:56,160 --> 00:20:59,920 Speaker 1: to to make sure that the American worker is put first. Well, 331 00:21:00,040 --> 00:21:02,560 Speaker 1: Joe Biden is not new to the world stage. Joe 332 00:21:02,560 --> 00:21:07,080 Speaker 1: Widen understands how to negotiate when you can negotiate, and 333 00:21:07,119 --> 00:21:09,600 Speaker 1: how to draw a strong line when it's about American 334 00:21:09,680 --> 00:21:14,440 Speaker 1: values and American prosperity and homeland security. That's why I 335 00:21:14,480 --> 00:21:17,080 Speaker 1: think right now, more than ever, we need Joe Biden 336 00:21:17,119 --> 00:21:21,640 Speaker 1: as our president. The trade policy via Twitter has been 337 00:21:21,640 --> 00:21:24,119 Speaker 1: one of the most damaging things we've seen over the 338 00:21:24,200 --> 00:21:27,400 Speaker 1: last three and a half years. We know the auditistry 339 00:21:27,400 --> 00:21:31,159 Speaker 1: and the agricultural industry alike has suffered because of a 340 00:21:31,160 --> 00:21:33,040 Speaker 1: couple of tweets that come out of the White House 341 00:21:33,080 --> 00:21:35,880 Speaker 1: at seven o'clock in the morning. The fact is, we 342 00:21:36,000 --> 00:21:40,399 Speaker 1: need a president who has a long term, thoughtful strategy 343 00:21:40,520 --> 00:21:44,679 Speaker 1: about how we pursue making sure that we protect American jobs, 344 00:21:44,720 --> 00:21:48,000 Speaker 1: American industry, that we draw a hard line when it 345 00:21:48,040 --> 00:21:52,919 Speaker 1: comes to foreign competition when they are not following the rules, 346 00:21:53,040 --> 00:21:55,119 Speaker 1: and that we do everything we can to support the 347 00:21:55,119 --> 00:21:57,320 Speaker 1: American worker. And that's what Joe Biden has always done 348 00:21:57,440 --> 00:21:59,680 Speaker 1: throughout his career, and that's what he will do as 349 00:21:59,680 --> 00:22:01,480 Speaker 1: pres of them. I want to follow up on this 350 00:22:01,560 --> 00:22:06,040 Speaker 1: because you mentioned the tweets and how that that unpredictability 351 00:22:06,240 --> 00:22:10,000 Speaker 1: hurts not just the markets, but more importantly, many would 352 00:22:10,080 --> 00:22:15,240 Speaker 1: argue workers because that unpredictability creates uncertainty. What I'm hearing 353 00:22:15,280 --> 00:22:18,040 Speaker 1: from you is that you're arguing that the a Biden 354 00:22:18,080 --> 00:22:22,000 Speaker 1: administration would provide some of the global geopolitical certainty that 355 00:22:22,119 --> 00:22:25,000 Speaker 1: might make the US more competitive in terms of negotiating 356 00:22:25,280 --> 00:22:29,320 Speaker 1: with Europe, Mexico, and of course China. Absolutely, I think 357 00:22:29,359 --> 00:22:32,200 Speaker 1: that that's what we need right now more than ever, 358 00:22:32,359 --> 00:22:35,480 Speaker 1: to know that the person in the White House is 359 00:22:35,800 --> 00:22:40,639 Speaker 1: is stable, has a strategic plan, understands the implications of 360 00:22:40,680 --> 00:22:43,959 Speaker 1: each action that they take, and has confidence that at 361 00:22:43,960 --> 00:22:46,040 Speaker 1: the end of the day, it's all centered around the 362 00:22:46,080 --> 00:22:50,479 Speaker 1: American worker, the American economy, and our our future as 363 00:22:50,520 --> 00:22:54,280 Speaker 1: Americans and our leadership in the world. Governor here in Washington, 364 00:22:54,359 --> 00:22:57,320 Speaker 1: d C. So much of the economic debate is centered 365 00:22:57,359 --> 00:22:59,920 Speaker 1: in the short term around the next round of econ 366 00:23:00,000 --> 00:23:02,680 Speaker 1: on Mike stimulus. Leader McConnell and Speaker Pelosi have both 367 00:23:02,680 --> 00:23:05,080 Speaker 1: said they would like to see this happen before the 368 00:23:05,119 --> 00:23:08,960 Speaker 1: August recepts. I was speaking with Governor Larry Hogan, a 369 00:23:08,960 --> 00:23:12,680 Speaker 1: Republican mind you from Maryland, earlier this week in Annapolis, 370 00:23:12,920 --> 00:23:15,600 Speaker 1: and he made the case that he wants to see 371 00:23:15,920 --> 00:23:18,600 Speaker 1: states getting some more funds in the next round of 372 00:23:18,640 --> 00:23:22,399 Speaker 1: stimulus so that federal and state employees don't have to 373 00:23:22,480 --> 00:23:25,399 Speaker 1: be furloughed or worse laid off. Is that something that 374 00:23:25,440 --> 00:23:29,840 Speaker 1: you two are also advocating for and why is it important? Absolutely? 375 00:23:29,920 --> 00:23:31,760 Speaker 1: And Larry Hogan is a great guy. He is the 376 00:23:31,760 --> 00:23:34,200 Speaker 1: head of the n g A, I'm on the executive board. 377 00:23:34,480 --> 00:23:36,800 Speaker 1: We've gotten to work very closely with one another. And 378 00:23:36,840 --> 00:23:40,359 Speaker 1: I think that the strength of our alliance in terms 379 00:23:40,359 --> 00:23:43,879 Speaker 1: of the nation's governors is that it's democratic and Republican 380 00:23:43,920 --> 00:23:48,880 Speaker 1: alike leaders who understand that COVID nineteen has ravaged our economies. 381 00:23:49,280 --> 00:23:51,679 Speaker 1: The only area that we have any discretion over in 382 00:23:51,720 --> 00:23:56,080 Speaker 1: our budgets are areas that impact public health, public safety, 383 00:23:56,119 --> 00:24:00,359 Speaker 1: and public education. Arguably the three most important and estimates 384 00:24:00,440 --> 00:24:02,200 Speaker 1: we need to make as a nation in the middle 385 00:24:02,240 --> 00:24:05,600 Speaker 1: of a global pandemic, and so getting this force supplemental 386 00:24:05,680 --> 00:24:08,800 Speaker 1: done is critical. And while Larry has been on the 387 00:24:08,840 --> 00:24:12,760 Speaker 1: front line, you know, advocating for this and Governor Cuomo 388 00:24:13,080 --> 00:24:16,680 Speaker 1: and I and Governor Dwine as a part of n 389 00:24:16,720 --> 00:24:20,399 Speaker 1: g A, we need to recognize that this is the 390 00:24:20,440 --> 00:24:24,880 Speaker 1: moment where Congress has to deliver support the states, give 391 00:24:24,960 --> 00:24:27,840 Speaker 1: us the flexibility and the resources we need, because it 392 00:24:27,880 --> 00:24:30,879 Speaker 1: would be a cry and shame if, after all of 393 00:24:30,920 --> 00:24:33,920 Speaker 1: the bungling around COVID nineteen and the price that we're 394 00:24:33,920 --> 00:24:36,600 Speaker 1: all paying, that we didn't have the resources we need 395 00:24:36,640 --> 00:24:39,040 Speaker 1: to wrap our kids with the supports they need to 396 00:24:39,040 --> 00:24:42,960 Speaker 1: to learn, to address the skills gaps that we have 397 00:24:43,200 --> 00:24:47,119 Speaker 1: to ensure that our public safety is not compromised and 398 00:24:47,200 --> 00:24:51,400 Speaker 1: certainly not compromising access to healthcare. These are the things 399 00:24:51,440 --> 00:24:53,840 Speaker 1: that we're going to do with these types of m 400 00:24:54,080 --> 00:24:57,760 Speaker 1: dollars and every statement, the nation is counting on Congress 401 00:24:57,800 --> 00:25:00,000 Speaker 1: and the President to get it done. I just gotta 402 00:25:00,040 --> 00:25:02,000 Speaker 1: couple more questions on the issue of education. What do 403 00:25:02,080 --> 00:25:04,720 Speaker 1: you need to make sure to ensure that not just 404 00:25:05,160 --> 00:25:08,359 Speaker 1: families feel safe sending their kids back to the classroom, 405 00:25:08,400 --> 00:25:11,240 Speaker 1: but also the teachers feel well protected in the classroom 406 00:25:11,240 --> 00:25:13,280 Speaker 1: as well. So I'm glad you asked that question. I 407 00:25:13,320 --> 00:25:15,800 Speaker 1: know we're always focused on the children, but of course 408 00:25:15,840 --> 00:25:18,520 Speaker 1: we need to focus on the educational workforce as well. 409 00:25:18,880 --> 00:25:21,800 Speaker 1: We've put together a strategic plan depending on what phase 410 00:25:21,840 --> 00:25:24,119 Speaker 1: of our re engagement we are in, but all of 411 00:25:24,160 --> 00:25:27,119 Speaker 1: that depends on the actions of the American people and 412 00:25:27,119 --> 00:25:30,320 Speaker 1: the Michigan people. Obviously here in my state. The more 413 00:25:30,359 --> 00:25:33,840 Speaker 1: people that mask up now increase the odds that our 414 00:25:33,960 --> 00:25:36,520 Speaker 1: numbers of COVID nineteen are declining and that we can 415 00:25:36,520 --> 00:25:38,720 Speaker 1: get our kids safely back in the classroom, and our 416 00:25:38,760 --> 00:25:41,600 Speaker 1: teachers and our bus drivers and everyone who's a part 417 00:25:41,600 --> 00:25:44,920 Speaker 1: of that education ecosystem back. But if it's not safe 418 00:25:44,960 --> 00:25:48,680 Speaker 1: to go back, we shouldn't be forcing the issue countries 419 00:25:48,720 --> 00:25:51,160 Speaker 1: around the world who have re engaged education are doing 420 00:25:51,160 --> 00:25:54,280 Speaker 1: so in places where the numbers are decreasing, they're doing 421 00:25:54,280 --> 00:25:57,600 Speaker 1: so with universal mask wearing and even base shields on 422 00:25:57,680 --> 00:26:00,560 Speaker 1: top of it. In some countries, they don't age unless 423 00:26:00,560 --> 00:26:04,960 Speaker 1: those numbers are are in control and declining, and right 424 00:26:05,000 --> 00:26:08,159 Speaker 1: now across the country that is not the case. We 425 00:26:08,240 --> 00:26:10,520 Speaker 1: crushed our curve here in Michigan. We were one of 426 00:26:10,600 --> 00:26:14,919 Speaker 1: only two states um on you know, power to ensure 427 00:26:14,960 --> 00:26:17,840 Speaker 1: we contained COVID nineteen at one point. But now our 428 00:26:17,920 --> 00:26:19,959 Speaker 1: numbers are going up as well. People have been dropping 429 00:26:20,000 --> 00:26:22,719 Speaker 1: their guard and while we're in a much stronger position 430 00:26:22,760 --> 00:26:25,520 Speaker 1: than some states, I'm very concerned about this, and this 431 00:26:25,640 --> 00:26:29,560 Speaker 1: trajectory is absolutely indicative of the fact that there is 432 00:26:30,080 --> 00:26:34,920 Speaker 1: too many politics around just one simple question about wearing masks. 433 00:26:35,160 --> 00:26:38,000 Speaker 1: If we mask up, we can get our economy humming, 434 00:26:38,040 --> 00:26:40,360 Speaker 1: we can get our kids in school. But we've got 435 00:26:40,359 --> 00:26:43,159 Speaker 1: to get a handle of around these COVID nineteen numbers, 436 00:26:43,200 --> 00:26:45,000 Speaker 1: and every one of us has to do our part. 437 00:26:45,600 --> 00:26:49,360 Speaker 1: We're just a couple of months away from November three, 438 00:26:49,480 --> 00:26:53,320 Speaker 1: and there's just now debate over whether or not folks 439 00:26:53,359 --> 00:26:56,679 Speaker 1: should be able to have a right to automatically vote 440 00:26:56,680 --> 00:26:59,879 Speaker 1: by mail. What have you decided in Michigan and do 441 00:27:00,040 --> 00:27:03,800 Speaker 1: you feel that every single citizen who is registered to 442 00:27:03,880 --> 00:27:07,880 Speaker 1: vote in your state should automatically be given a mail 443 00:27:07,920 --> 00:27:10,960 Speaker 1: in ballot. So, in Michigan, we changed our constitution in 444 00:27:11,800 --> 00:27:13,920 Speaker 1: to make it easier for people to vote from home. 445 00:27:14,320 --> 00:27:16,919 Speaker 1: We have a wonderful Secretary of State in Jocelyn Benson, 446 00:27:17,000 --> 00:27:21,639 Speaker 1: who has been mailing to people applications for that absentee ballot, 447 00:27:21,880 --> 00:27:27,280 Speaker 1: both for August and for November. This is Bloomberg's sound 448 00:27:27,320 --> 00:27:31,880 Speaker 1: on with Kevin Surreley on Bloomberg and one oh five 449 00:27:31,920 --> 00:27:34,960 Speaker 1: point seven f m HD two. My name is Kevin Sirelian, 450 00:27:35,040 --> 00:27:38,280 Speaker 1: the chief Ashington correspondent for Member TV and Radio. Let's 451 00:27:38,320 --> 00:27:41,800 Speaker 1: pivot down to US China relations. Did you see this 452 00:27:42,520 --> 00:27:46,720 Speaker 1: because Attorney General William Barr has now decided to go 453 00:27:46,800 --> 00:27:50,240 Speaker 1: after Beijing, and he did so by accusing Disney and 454 00:27:50,280 --> 00:27:53,359 Speaker 1: Apple being pawns of China. I'm reading from the Bloomberg terminal, 455 00:27:53,640 --> 00:27:56,800 Speaker 1: enabling it to amass influence and wealth at the expense 456 00:27:56,840 --> 00:28:00,560 Speaker 1: of the United States. American companies must understand the stakes, 457 00:28:00,560 --> 00:28:03,880 Speaker 1: Bar said. He also asserted that Beijing is launching hacking 458 00:28:03,920 --> 00:28:08,840 Speaker 1: attacks to steal coronavirus vaccine research from US companies and universities. 459 00:28:09,160 --> 00:28:11,679 Speaker 1: This comes just hours after the U. S UK and 460 00:28:11,840 --> 00:28:15,880 Speaker 1: Canada said that Russia was doing the same thing. Bar 461 00:28:16,000 --> 00:28:18,879 Speaker 1: went on to warn business leaders that their prime targets 462 00:28:18,880 --> 00:28:23,000 Speaker 1: for Chinese influence operations. I want to bring in a 463 00:28:23,040 --> 00:28:26,480 Speaker 1: congressman who knows a thing or two about US China relations. 464 00:28:26,520 --> 00:28:29,680 Speaker 1: His name is Congressman Ken Buck and he is the 465 00:28:29,720 --> 00:28:35,080 Speaker 1: Republican representing Colorado's fourth district. Congressman, thank you for joining us. 466 00:28:35,119 --> 00:28:37,359 Speaker 1: Before we get to your news week TikTok up ed, 467 00:28:37,880 --> 00:28:40,080 Speaker 1: I do want to get your reaction to Attorney General 468 00:28:40,080 --> 00:28:43,719 Speaker 1: William bar And as well as the assertion that the 469 00:28:43,800 --> 00:28:47,280 Speaker 1: Chinese are trying to steal vaccine vaccination research from the 470 00:28:47,360 --> 00:28:52,440 Speaker 1: United States and Russia as well well. I think, obviously 471 00:28:52,440 --> 00:28:55,000 Speaker 1: the Attorney General has access to intelligence data that I 472 00:28:55,080 --> 00:28:57,920 Speaker 1: don't um and I believe what he says. I think 473 00:28:57,920 --> 00:29:01,880 Speaker 1: it's absolutely consistent with how China has acted in the past, 474 00:29:02,000 --> 00:29:05,680 Speaker 1: stealing intellectual property of all kinds and using it to 475 00:29:05,800 --> 00:29:09,120 Speaker 1: their advantage. And it's a very dangerous situation. Our our 476 00:29:09,160 --> 00:29:14,200 Speaker 1: companies are out to make a profit and oftentimes I 477 00:29:14,200 --> 00:29:16,440 Speaker 1: don't think they realize that it's a short term profit 478 00:29:16,960 --> 00:29:19,520 Speaker 1: and in the long run they are being used and 479 00:29:20,200 --> 00:29:23,880 Speaker 1: will no longer have the kinds of trade secrets and 480 00:29:23,920 --> 00:29:27,680 Speaker 1: the kinds of intellectual property that they have now. And 481 00:29:28,360 --> 00:29:31,080 Speaker 1: I think the Attorney General is right in uh sending 482 00:29:31,080 --> 00:29:32,680 Speaker 1: out a warning to the world that this is a 483 00:29:32,760 --> 00:29:35,480 Speaker 1: very dangerous situation. You know, you're on both the House 484 00:29:35,560 --> 00:29:39,720 Speaker 1: Judiciary Committee and House Foreign Affairs Committee, Congressman. But yes. 485 00:29:39,760 --> 00:29:44,040 Speaker 1: Earlier this week, the President deciding to sign into law 486 00:29:44,120 --> 00:29:46,720 Speaker 1: the bipartisan legislation that would allow for the US to 487 00:29:46,760 --> 00:29:50,840 Speaker 1: sanction Chinese officials who do business with the Chinese Communist 488 00:29:50,840 --> 00:29:53,600 Speaker 1: Party and back the so called national security laws for 489 00:29:53,640 --> 00:29:56,760 Speaker 1: Hong Kong. What else can the United States do in 490 00:29:56,880 --> 00:30:01,240 Speaker 1: order to put pressure on China in the short I 491 00:30:01,280 --> 00:30:04,360 Speaker 1: think it's absolutely imperative that the United States work with 492 00:30:04,480 --> 00:30:08,560 Speaker 1: our European allies and other countries around the world to 493 00:30:09,200 --> 00:30:13,680 Speaker 1: UH bring pressure to bear on China, not just from 494 00:30:13,720 --> 00:30:16,640 Speaker 1: our country, but really from the world. China for a 495 00:30:16,680 --> 00:30:19,720 Speaker 1: long time got to pass because it was a developing 496 00:30:19,760 --> 00:30:24,440 Speaker 1: country and its economy. UH. We knew that with with 497 00:30:24,520 --> 00:30:27,720 Speaker 1: a country of that many people, UH, the economy had 498 00:30:27,760 --> 00:30:31,000 Speaker 1: to developer would be a serious military threat UM and 499 00:30:31,080 --> 00:30:34,760 Speaker 1: an unstable country. Uh. It is no longer in that situation. 500 00:30:34,800 --> 00:30:38,440 Speaker 1: And I think that China needs to now change its policies, 501 00:30:38,480 --> 00:30:40,480 Speaker 1: and there has it has to feel pressure from around 502 00:30:40,480 --> 00:30:43,080 Speaker 1: the world to change its policies. I want to go 503 00:30:43,160 --> 00:30:48,800 Speaker 1: even broader, because China is essentially um on the move. 504 00:30:49,120 --> 00:30:52,080 Speaker 1: You know, and and and you are someone who when 505 00:30:52,240 --> 00:30:56,040 Speaker 1: before you got into before you were elected into office, 506 00:30:56,040 --> 00:30:59,360 Speaker 1: you work for Congressman Dick Cheney, uh, then on the 507 00:30:59,360 --> 00:31:03,440 Speaker 1: Iran Khan investigation, and then ultimately became a prosecutor with 508 00:31:03,480 --> 00:31:07,000 Speaker 1: the U. S Department of Justice. So but I guess 509 00:31:07,000 --> 00:31:10,719 Speaker 1: my question is, you know, you'll look at what China, 510 00:31:10,800 --> 00:31:15,000 Speaker 1: the relationship that China is trying to forge with Iran, uh, 511 00:31:15,080 --> 00:31:18,960 Speaker 1: not just on five G, not just on energy. That's 512 00:31:18,960 --> 00:31:20,880 Speaker 1: got to give you pause, that's got to give you 513 00:31:20,960 --> 00:31:26,520 Speaker 1: concern because as we're isolating Iran economically, China's stepping right in. 514 00:31:28,080 --> 00:31:30,840 Speaker 1: China is stepping right in and and the world will 515 00:31:30,840 --> 00:31:36,600 Speaker 1: take note that that China is dealing with a country 516 00:31:36,640 --> 00:31:40,600 Speaker 1: around that wants to develop nuclear weapons, that wants to 517 00:31:41,360 --> 00:31:47,240 Speaker 1: um destabilize the Persian Gulf, and and has repeatedly talked 518 00:31:47,280 --> 00:31:51,000 Speaker 1: about how it wants to do harm to the United 519 00:31:51,040 --> 00:31:54,280 Speaker 1: States and Israel. And I think that the world will 520 00:31:54,320 --> 00:31:59,680 Speaker 1: note that that China's wealth is being used in ways 521 00:32:00,080 --> 00:32:04,600 Speaker 1: that undermine freedom, that undermine capitalism, that undermine the free 522 00:32:04,640 --> 00:32:08,400 Speaker 1: markets that we are used to in the world, and 523 00:32:08,400 --> 00:32:10,600 Speaker 1: and I think that it will be easier to put 524 00:32:10,680 --> 00:32:14,040 Speaker 1: together the coalition that I mentioned earlier. All right, now, 525 00:32:14,160 --> 00:32:16,520 Speaker 1: let's talk about TikTok, because I read your your outed 526 00:32:16,600 --> 00:32:20,200 Speaker 1: on Newsweek, and look, I think you know here in Washington, 527 00:32:20,280 --> 00:32:23,840 Speaker 1: d C. Republicans and Democrats agree, especially about the treasure 528 00:32:23,880 --> 00:32:27,400 Speaker 1: trove of data that uh that that China is trying 529 00:32:27,440 --> 00:32:29,720 Speaker 1: to amass when I hear it from folks like yourself 530 00:32:29,760 --> 00:32:33,040 Speaker 1: as well as people like Senator Mark Warner, UH Congresswoman 531 00:32:33,120 --> 00:32:35,800 Speaker 1: Abigail span murger On on the left as well. So 532 00:32:36,320 --> 00:32:38,200 Speaker 1: I guess my question is, don't explain it to me, 533 00:32:38,280 --> 00:32:41,840 Speaker 1: but talk to the parents who are in their cars 534 00:32:41,920 --> 00:32:43,440 Speaker 1: right now on their way home from work, or maybe 535 00:32:43,440 --> 00:32:46,640 Speaker 1: they're tuning in remotely and their kids are on TikTok, 536 00:32:46,960 --> 00:32:49,240 Speaker 1: and they think it's a joke, and they think it's funny, 537 00:32:49,280 --> 00:32:51,520 Speaker 1: they think it's cute, you know, they're doing the macarena 538 00:32:51,600 --> 00:32:53,840 Speaker 1: or whatever it is the youth's dance to these days. 539 00:32:54,480 --> 00:32:58,960 Speaker 1: Why is TikTok so dangerous and why should if you're 540 00:32:59,160 --> 00:33:01,360 Speaker 1: and why is the present and considering it be banned 541 00:33:01,680 --> 00:33:05,680 Speaker 1: similar to what India Prime Minister Modi has already done 542 00:33:05,720 --> 00:33:09,160 Speaker 1: and banning it from from India. Yeah, And and first 543 00:33:09,160 --> 00:33:10,840 Speaker 1: of all, I think you make a great point. This 544 00:33:10,920 --> 00:33:13,120 Speaker 1: is a there is a bill in the Senate that's 545 00:33:13,240 --> 00:33:15,960 Speaker 1: that's been sponsored by Republicans and Democrats, a bill in 546 00:33:16,000 --> 00:33:19,880 Speaker 1: the House sponsored by Republicans and Democrats. Um. And I 547 00:33:19,920 --> 00:33:22,880 Speaker 1: think that this is really and President Trump has has 548 00:33:22,920 --> 00:33:26,800 Speaker 1: talked about the danger of TikTok and the Chinese Intelligence 549 00:33:26,840 --> 00:33:30,520 Speaker 1: agency spying on the US through apps like this. So 550 00:33:30,680 --> 00:33:33,080 Speaker 1: I think this is really something that is bipartisan. And 551 00:33:33,920 --> 00:33:37,440 Speaker 1: it's bipartisan because it is such a serious threat that 552 00:33:37,440 --> 00:33:40,800 Speaker 1: that there is no room for partisanship in an issue 553 00:33:40,840 --> 00:33:44,440 Speaker 1: like this. TikTok is dangerous because once the app is 554 00:33:44,480 --> 00:33:50,600 Speaker 1: installed on the phone, the the Chinese Communist Party will 555 00:33:50,640 --> 00:33:56,280 Speaker 1: get data about everybody who uses that that phone, the 556 00:33:56,320 --> 00:34:01,760 Speaker 1: contacts that somebody has, the geolocation that somebody has, all 557 00:34:01,800 --> 00:34:05,400 Speaker 1: the way into buying habits, and and other important data, 558 00:34:05,760 --> 00:34:09,200 Speaker 1: credit card information. The Chinese government will be able to 559 00:34:09,280 --> 00:34:14,160 Speaker 1: steal and build files that will ultimately be used and 560 00:34:14,160 --> 00:34:17,080 Speaker 1: and and we all hope this never happens, that there's 561 00:34:17,080 --> 00:34:20,120 Speaker 1: a conflict between Night States and China, but if there is, 562 00:34:20,280 --> 00:34:22,560 Speaker 1: it's this kind of information that will be used to 563 00:34:22,600 --> 00:34:27,280 Speaker 1: shut down the US economy in a time of war. Wow. 564 00:34:27,360 --> 00:34:29,560 Speaker 1: So it's so. I think that's what it gets to, 565 00:34:29,719 --> 00:34:32,000 Speaker 1: because I think when most people think of TikTok, they 566 00:34:32,000 --> 00:34:35,560 Speaker 1: think of the funny you know, means and whatnot. But 567 00:34:35,640 --> 00:34:38,640 Speaker 1: it's the data and and it's the financial data what 568 00:34:38,760 --> 00:34:41,480 Speaker 1: I'm gathering from new congressmen. It's the financial data that 569 00:34:41,600 --> 00:34:44,319 Speaker 1: really poses a risk. And when a foreign adversary is 570 00:34:44,360 --> 00:34:46,880 Speaker 1: able to do that, they will be able to penetrate 571 00:34:47,360 --> 00:34:52,800 Speaker 1: the economic infrastructure of our economy. Is that what I'm hearing? Absolutely, 572 00:34:52,840 --> 00:34:55,760 Speaker 1: you're hearing now, You're hearing that the same reason why, uh, 573 00:34:55,880 --> 00:34:59,560 Speaker 1: you know, databases have been hacked into a major corporations 574 00:34:59,560 --> 00:35:02,600 Speaker 1: in the U US government UM and so security numbers 575 00:35:02,600 --> 00:35:04,600 Speaker 1: have been taken, and dates of birth have been taken, 576 00:35:04,640 --> 00:35:08,200 Speaker 1: and UM addresses have been taken. All that information is 577 00:35:08,320 --> 00:35:12,960 Speaker 1: used to shut down an adversary's economy and and TikTok 578 00:35:13,120 --> 00:35:16,120 Speaker 1: is just another method that the Chinese Communist Party is 579 00:35:16,239 --> 00:35:18,640 Speaker 1: using to do that. All right, final question, we got 580 00:35:18,680 --> 00:35:20,840 Speaker 1: sixty seconds, lass, and I apologize for the for the 581 00:35:20,960 --> 00:35:24,239 Speaker 1: rush on time. But next jound of economic stimulus, is 582 00:35:24,280 --> 00:35:27,200 Speaker 1: there gonna be some some more money allocated to states 583 00:35:27,239 --> 00:35:30,160 Speaker 1: the governors wanted, Governor Hogan, Governor Whittmer, both sides of 584 00:35:30,160 --> 00:35:32,480 Speaker 1: the aisle they wanted. Is it something that conservatives like 585 00:35:32,520 --> 00:35:34,200 Speaker 1: yourself can get behind or does there have to be 586 00:35:34,200 --> 00:35:37,880 Speaker 1: strings attached? Well, I think the most important thing about 587 00:35:37,920 --> 00:35:40,520 Speaker 1: the next round is that we figure how to how 588 00:35:40,520 --> 00:35:42,759 Speaker 1: to pay for the last thirty tillion dollars that we 589 00:35:42,760 --> 00:35:45,000 Speaker 1: have accumulated. And if we can't do that, I think 590 00:35:45,000 --> 00:35:48,760 Speaker 1: there are many conservatives that have pause about moving forward 591 00:35:48,800 --> 00:35:51,280 Speaker 1: with another round. We've we've got to be serious about 592 00:35:51,280 --> 00:35:53,839 Speaker 1: our debt, and that's something that I think conservatives are 593 00:35:53,840 --> 00:35:57,239 Speaker 1: focused on. All right. 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