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Speaker 1: but flies right by. So you know, I've been on
Speaker 1: this thing where I talk about.
Speaker 3: It before you even get going. I can I say
Speaker 3: something on Colin Cowherd's behalf, Okay, I am, And we
Speaker 3: don't have to spend any time on this other than
Speaker 3: this statement I want to make. I am offended on
Speaker 3: behalf of my dear friend, Colin Cowherd, that so much
Speaker 3: of the Internet reacted surprised by your agent thoughtful and
Speaker 3: dare I say obvious take on Donald Trump. The amount
Speaker 3: of people that were like, oh, I was worried Colin
Speaker 3: was a Trump, I'm like, have you been a lot?
Speaker 3: Like I'm not saying that Colin was out here, you know,
Speaker 3: knocking doors for Bernie Sanders, but the idea that there
Speaker 3: were people that were they were like, oh, what a
Speaker 3: pleasant surprise. I'm like surprise. And so, first of all,
Speaker 3: I'm glad you said what you said, but I'm also
Speaker 3: kind of offended on your behalf that people were surprised
Speaker 3: by it. So I just wanted to say that off
Speaker 3: the top, and then we can do what everything well.
Speaker 1: I well, I had a comment one time and it
Speaker 1: wasn't an endorsement of anything. I just said, I have
Speaker 1: this feeling we're going to see a red wave during
Speaker 1: mid terms because of the way one of the things
Speaker 1: I didn't love. I don't love when government overreaches on anything.
Speaker 1: And I thought some of the COVID stuff, it's like,
Speaker 1: let Californians take their kids to the beach, it's a
Speaker 1: virus get in the sun. I thought they were a
Speaker 1: little over the top. And I said, I got a
Speaker 1: I think we're going to see a red wave. It
Speaker 1: wasn't an endorsement.
Speaker 3: So I remember when that happened, and I think do
Speaker 3: so maybe that is where the surprise came from. Ye,
Speaker 3: I think some people took that as a hope rather
Speaker 3: than a prediction. And you know that you were just
Speaker 3: saying because we talked about it. I think more so
Speaker 3: in the moment about the pessimism or optimism about what
Speaker 3: was going to happen. But yeah, okay, So maybe that's
Speaker 3: where the surprise came from because people saw that. And
Speaker 3: by the way, in those that specific midterms, a lot
Speaker 3: of people that were just crunching the numbers, you know,
Speaker 3: the pollsters and stuff, thought that was certainly very in
Speaker 3: play that this last round of that round of midterms,
Speaker 3: there was going to be significantly more you know, conservative
Speaker 3: Republican gains than there were, So maybe that's where it
Speaker 3: came from. But I was just I was. I was
Speaker 3: very pleased listening to the pod, and I was initially
Speaker 3: pleased by the reaction, and then I was I started
Speaker 3: getting annoyed by it. I was like, yeah, of course,
Speaker 3: you think Colin's out here hanging out in southern California
Speaker 3: wearing a red hat, Like, give me a break, guys,
Speaker 3: but go ahead.
Speaker 1: Well, for the record, sometimes I just like to be instructive.
Speaker 1: The dollar in America, For all those lamenting the economy,
Speaker 1: our dollar right now is the strongest it's nineteen eighty.
Speaker 1: What does that mean? That means, folks, if you have
Speaker 1: the wherewithal financially to travel overseas go this summer, that's
Speaker 1: the dollar will buy you more. What you know it means, obviously,
Speaker 1: you know our dollar on the exports imports. A strong
Speaker 1: dollar is always an economic advantage for us. But what
Speaker 1: it really means to the common person is if you
Speaker 1: can ever go to Europe go the dollars hasn't been
Speaker 1: this strong since nineteen eighty, So everybody lamenting the economy.
Speaker 1: Nobody's saying it's like the dot com Bill Clinton era,
Speaker 1: right when, like you know, Grocer dot com skyrockets and
Speaker 1: like is losing money, But we're saying it's not. Seventy
Speaker 1: two percent of Americans now believe that. That's what I
Speaker 1: read yesterday, that their economy, their finances are fine, but
Speaker 1: the country is to believed.
Speaker 3: So that that it's a similar thing. By the way,
Speaker 3: and then again we can move off this. I shouldn't
Speaker 3: have said this off the top, but it's similar, which is,
Speaker 3: how dangerous is your neighborhood, Oh, it's pretty safe. How
Speaker 3: dangerous is the country? Terribly dangerous? Like it is. There
Speaker 3: is a lot of that, and I don't think I
Speaker 3: don't think anyone would argue right now everything's perfect or
Speaker 3: ideal or even necessary necessarily the best it's been in
Speaker 3: the last ten years, twenty years, whatever. But the point
Speaker 3: you made, which is trying to sell you an America
Speaker 3: that doesn't exist, I thought that you don't see I
Speaker 3: thought was very a very smart way of putting it, Like,
Speaker 3: it is very difficult to say these like that. There
Speaker 3: is this level of crises in every sector of life
Speaker 3: going on, and for anyone who experiences daily life to
Speaker 3: then be like, well, I'm not seeing any of the
Speaker 3: you know, I'm not seeing that, and so yeah, I
Speaker 3: obviously agreed with you, but yeah, go ahead, as you were.
Speaker 3: I don't know where we're going to start.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, well I can always tell when somebody is
Speaker 1: not from Southern California, they say you live in a
Speaker 1: gated community outside of Hidden Hills, which is like the
Speaker 1: Kardashian neighborhood. Southern California doesn't gate a lot of its communities.
Speaker 1: Now Orange County might, but La County doesn't. So I mean,
Speaker 1: there's some Beverly Hills stuff, but you can drive all
Speaker 1: over the flats of Beverly Hills and there's no gates there.
Speaker 1: So you can drive up right next to a Hollywood
Speaker 1: director in Beverly Hills. So whenever anybody says like, oh,
Speaker 1: you live in your gated community, it's like, no, that
Speaker 1: you'll see more of those in Cincinnati per capita than here.
Speaker 1: Like on golf courses. LA's really frankly quite open. There's
Speaker 1: an area in Malibu which is hard to get into
Speaker 1: with stars Beverly Hills on the Denzel Washington, the hillside
Speaker 1: very difficult to get into. Orange County's got more of
Speaker 1: it tends to be a bit more conservative, golf course driven.
Speaker 3: Where I live.
Speaker 1: I right now live in an apartment by young people.
Speaker 1: Like this idea that I'm by, I'm mansioned and it's like,
Speaker 1: and for the record, I don't really care what anybody
Speaker 1: thinks about my you know, if you like me, great,
Speaker 1: if you don't find But my point is is that
Speaker 1: I got a bullshit meter that's pretty good. And like,
Speaker 1: if you keep selling me on something, I'm walking around
Speaker 1: the town and where I live right now as young people,
Speaker 1: it's not a wealthy area and it's like, no, there's.
Speaker 3: A wolf factor there just is if you can't always
Speaker 3: tell me that you know what I mean, the collapse
Speaker 3: is around the corner, imminent happening. And it even more
Speaker 3: so if you try to sell me in my opinion
Speaker 3: three and a half years ago, if you don't reelect me,
Speaker 3: then hell will be at your doors. Then three and
Speaker 3: a half years later you kind of have to pretend
Speaker 3: hell is at your doors. And I don't think that's
Speaker 3: what most people are experiencing. I'm not acting like to
Speaker 3: be there. It's times aren't tough I'm not acting like,
Speaker 3: you know, inflation didn't really hit a lot of people hard.
Speaker 3: I'm like things are perfect. I'm like any that there
Speaker 3: are that things are going swimmingly across the board. But
Speaker 3: somewhere between things being you know, the greatest they've ever
Speaker 3: been and the worst they've ever been is reality, and
Speaker 3: I think it is. I don't think anyone is trying
Speaker 3: to sell us it's the best it's ever been, because
Speaker 3: that wouldn't be, I think, believable. But you do have
Speaker 3: people trying to sell us that it is the worst
Speaker 3: it's ever been, and that's not that's right, that's I
Speaker 3: don't think what most people. It's hard to sell that
Speaker 3: when you know unemployments at four percent are below it's
Speaker 3: the there are certain things yeah with that, it's just
Speaker 3: people aren't going to buy it, even if we wish
Speaker 3: things were better.
Speaker 1: But go ahead, Yeah, and I and I also think
Speaker 1: the truth is we have many challenges ahead of us
Speaker 1: as a society, and there's no perfect administration. And I
Speaker 1: never seek I don't ask my wife to be perfect
Speaker 1: or my employer to be perfect.
Speaker 2: I hope you're on the right side of.
Speaker 1: Big environmental issues, on big economic issues, but I don't
Speaker 1: ask for perfection and but but I mean, we do
Speaker 1: have challenges going forward. I tend to when it comes
Speaker 1: to politics, I'm looking at your policies more than people
Speaker 1: and I and I told this to a conservative friend
Speaker 1: of mine. You guys have got to shift out of grievance.
Speaker 1: That's not a policy. Like, you can't just go angry
Speaker 1: until election day. You have to at some point pivot
Speaker 1: to and here's two or three peas.
Speaker 2: That's right.
Speaker 3: You've got to at some point have some shite you
Speaker 3: And by the way, both there is a and I'm
Speaker 3: I hate when people do the both parties thing, but
Speaker 3: in this regard, it's true. Both parties when they're out
Speaker 3: of power are doing more of the here's what's wrong.
Speaker 3: I totally get that, Yes, but there needs to be
Speaker 3: a level of and here is my plan, you know
Speaker 3: what I mean? Like that, here is.
Speaker 1: The say what you will think about? Go ahead, think
Speaker 1: about this. You go on a date with a girl
Speaker 1: and all she does is bitch about her ex boyfriend
Speaker 1: instead of talking about hey, like, this is what I
Speaker 1: like to do? What do you want to do together?
Speaker 1: Like there's a level of anger and resentment and grievance
Speaker 1: it's got you can fill the cup up pretty quickly,
Speaker 1: like at some point pivot to all right, let's get
Speaker 1: optimistic on this thing. Here's what we're doing. You gotta
Speaker 1: it's like almost like I used to have a boss
Speaker 1: he passed away, Larry Kenop, and he used to always
Speaker 1: say it was a really I really used it, he said.
Speaker 1: You know, sometimes you have to put your arm around
Speaker 1: it in an employee and with your left leg kick
Speaker 1: him in the ass. You can't just rip him for
Speaker 1: fifteen in it. You got to put your arm around
Speaker 1: him and say, boy, I'm pissed off, I'm pissed off,
Speaker 1: or I really love you. But managers, coaches, politicians, it
Speaker 1: can't be a fire hose of grievance. You've got to
Speaker 1: give me positive.
Speaker 3: And you've got any really any you mentioned relationship, any like,
Speaker 3: not just dating, romantic relationship. Nobody wants to have dinner
Speaker 3: or drinks with the friend that the moment you sit down,
Speaker 3: it's just woe is me. Here's here is the last
Speaker 3: awful thing. You know, if I didn't have bad luck,
Speaker 3: I wouldn't have any you know what I mean. That's
Speaker 3: the story of my life. No, and I'm not again,
Speaker 3: I am not trying to be toned up. I understand
Speaker 3: some people really really have it rough. But the folks
Speaker 3: who no matter and all of us know these people
Speaker 3: that no matter the situation that's going on, they are
Speaker 3: always either in crisis real or imagined, or they have
Speaker 3: just you won't believe how I just got screwed over.
Speaker 3: Let me tell you about it. That person's exhausting. And
Speaker 3: it doesn't mean you don't want you don't have the
Speaker 3: empathy for someone when something happens. But the people that
Speaker 3: I think are most magnetic, most attractive in as far
Speaker 3: as to spend time with, are people that almost no
Speaker 3: matter what's going on, they're either looking forward, solution orient oriented,
Speaker 3: or they're just you know, they are trying to figure
Speaker 3: out a way through. And that's the people you want
Speaker 3: to hang out with. Those are the and for a
Speaker 3: lot of in my opinion, whether this is the right
Speaker 3: or the wrong way to elect politicians, a lot of
Speaker 3: what decides close elections is the old who do you
Speaker 3: want to have a beer with? Test? Again, I think
Speaker 3: that's kind of dumb, but that is It's been shown
Speaker 3: time and again, and I just don't think people love
Speaker 3: the whiner and I and I. At one point in
Speaker 3: time it felt to me like the conservative wing of
Speaker 3: America had done a really good job, whether it's accurate
Speaker 3: or not, of marketing themselves as the we'll figure this out.
Speaker 3: Bad shit happens. Yeah, but you know what, whatever it is,
Speaker 3: we are going to And again, even if I think
Speaker 3: it was bullshit marketing, it was the way people people
Speaker 3: associated with it, and they associated the left with more
Speaker 3: of the whining and complaining. That is, if you tell
Speaker 3: me right now that there is a politician that just
Speaker 3: did a thirty minute interview and all they did was
Speaker 3: bitch and moan. I don't associate that with AOC. I don't.
Speaker 1: Now.
Speaker 3: You might say AOC has bad ideas, but she has ideas.
Speaker 3: She came into Congress She's like, hey, green, new deal,
Speaker 3: I want to remake everything. Here's the bill. And you
Speaker 3: might say that's a disastrous bill. What you didn't come
Speaker 3: in and say is, oh, it's so unfair. What's happening
Speaker 3: to me? Everyone's out to get me. No, I just
Speaker 3: don't find that personally inspired. And there's the political thing.
Speaker 1: Yeah, no, no, that's I always thought.
Speaker 2: I've said this before.
Speaker 1: My two favorite politicians ever are Reagan and Obama and
Speaker 1: there was, they weren't. Neither was catastrophic, and I've worked
Speaker 1: with people who are catastrophic where the sky is falling.
Speaker 1: And Reagan always had a smile on his face and
Speaker 1: we'll figure it out. He was a very positive guy.
Speaker 1: Reagan just felt like, good morning in America. We're gonna
Speaker 1: make it work. This is the greatest country.
Speaker 2: I loved.
Speaker 1: Reagan and Obama always had a this job is hard.
Speaker 1: Let's take a deep breath. I'm gonna wear a beas suit.
Speaker 1: Don't freak out. This job is not easy. Phil Knight
Speaker 1: has a manifesto. When he started Nike, he wrote down
Speaker 1: ten and a lot of this you could see in
Speaker 1: Air the movie Air Ben Affleck and number nine on
Speaker 1: it was this will be messy. And one of the
Speaker 1: real things I talked about today about the WNBA was
Speaker 1: we are seeing this moment in time where this league.
Speaker 1: And I've always said, I'm in the omelet business, not
Speaker 1: the egg business. I don't make you interesting. When you're made,
Speaker 1: I talk about you, not my job to make the omelet.
Speaker 1: I'll report on the omelet. So I didn't talk about
Speaker 1: the WNBA because, frankly, it didn't get ratings. I mean Jesus,
Speaker 1: the finals got seven hundred thousand. Now you have a
Speaker 1: catalyst that explodes when a business explodes. It could be
Speaker 1: a tech business, pharmaceutical business, it could be a law firm.
Speaker 1: When something explodes, shit gets messy, and we're in the
Speaker 1: messy phase. For the WNBA. Their early schedule for the
Speaker 1: Fever is insane. They're played twice lay.
Speaker 3: A game played colin from previous Friday until Sunday. That
Speaker 3: nine day stretch, they play as many games as the
Speaker 3: Aces have played all year. They it was and it
Speaker 3: was again from a marketing standpoint, I got it. Put
Speaker 3: Caitlyn as many places as possible. From a the you know,
Speaker 3: the Fever played eleven game, the Finding champs have played six.
Speaker 3: Now that maybe that was sneaky, brilliant, and then I'll
Speaker 3: let you finish. I'm sorry because it will lead to
Speaker 3: I think Caitlin being awesome at the end of the year,
Speaker 3: because all of a sudden, she's gonna be the most
Speaker 3: rested player in every game because they got they have
Speaker 3: no more back to backs, they have no more three
Speaker 3: games in four nights. So the rest of the year
Speaker 3: she's gonna have real time in between it, but they
Speaker 3: were they but go ahead, you were. You were making
Speaker 3: a point that I interrupted.
Speaker 1: So it's just an it's an exploding business. For the
Speaker 1: first time it was you know, let's we all know
Speaker 1: the backstory on the w NBA that it was subsidized
Speaker 1: by the NBA for a decade. Now they moved into
Speaker 1: smaller arenas, it wasn't terribly profitable. Las Vegas has sort
Speaker 1: of figured it out first to be the first franchise
Speaker 1: that's making real money, almost has an an ideal with
Speaker 1: its players. But the point being is this is an explosion,
Speaker 1: and you see it in tech all the time. You
Speaker 1: just quite it's it's hard to predict the unpredictable, and
Speaker 1: so I.
Speaker 3: Think so much of the Caitlyn Clark WNBA commentary has
Speaker 3: actually been some weird media meta commentary about the commentary,
Speaker 3: like it has been very like the basketball stuff, I
Speaker 3: think is pretty straightforward. This is a hell of a
Speaker 3: rookie class. Cameron brank is going to be a star.
Speaker 3: Angel Reese is going to be a star, Caitlyn Clark
Speaker 3: is going to be a superstar, and maybe those other
Speaker 3: two will as well. And they have brought a lot
Speaker 3: of eyeballs. Caitlyn Clark's team seems to really be struggling,
Speaker 3: probably in part because they had the number one pick
Speaker 3: the last two years for a reason, and partially because
Speaker 3: of this schedule. And is there some predictable jealousy either,
Speaker 3: just based purely on attention and economics? Is some of
Speaker 3: it about ads rookie and some hazing short, all that
Speaker 3: stuff kind of to me is a pretty straightforward sports story,
Speaker 3: up to and including the foul heard around the world
Speaker 3: that was just a hard flagrant, not even a flagrant too,
Speaker 3: like it was a hard foul. But the commentary has
Speaker 3: really been about the commentary, and there's so many levels
Speaker 3: to it. So I want to start with the first
Speaker 3: thing you said, which is like thought exercise. Let's say
Speaker 3: in five years there is a Tiger Woods like athlete
Speaker 3: and and some would say, oh, we've already had it,
Speaker 3: but no Tiger Woods esque in that he captures everyone's
Speaker 3: attention in hockey. Do we then need to go on
Speaker 3: the air and be like, we are so sorry that
Speaker 3: we weren't covering hockey before we did a moral disservice.
Speaker 3: I don't feel we do, and so I don't feel
Speaker 3: when folks have been like, well, you're new to the party, Like, well,
Speaker 3: in our specific business, the party just got going. Now.
Speaker 3: It doesn't mean it was not worth a worthwhile league.
Speaker 3: It doesn't mean I'm not glad it exists. But I
Speaker 3: on my show, I barely talk about professional baseball. I
Speaker 3: don't talk anything about hockey. It'd be one thing if
Speaker 3: on our shows we were talking eleven different sports and
Speaker 3: just like, nope, we have time for cricket, but we're
Speaker 3: not making time for the WNBA. That's not the truth.
Speaker 3: That's not how these shows work. And there has been
Speaker 3: to me an element of what I would compare to
Speaker 3: the hipster band phenomenon, which is if there is a
Speaker 3: band that all of a sudden is playing arenas, but
Speaker 3: a year ago was playing eight hundred person venues. The
Speaker 3: folks who were the fan of the band then sometimes
Speaker 3: are like, oh, you know, I was here before it
Speaker 3: was popular, and they're almost snarky towards the new people,
Speaker 3: as opposed to being like, hey, I always knew this
Speaker 3: was awesome, Glad you're here now. So I don't love that,
Speaker 3: and I think so I think that is problematic in one
Speaker 3: direction from a media perspective. Here's another thing. I think
Speaker 3: is problematic from a media perspective. In the other direction,
Speaker 3: folks who clearly have the attitude of you should be
Speaker 3: happy I'm even talking about your sport. Therefore, none of
Speaker 3: my opinions are open for criticism because you're just lucky
Speaker 3: to be getting my opinions. I think that's bullshit too.
Speaker 3: And I think if it were or if it were hockey,
Speaker 3: or if it were the MLS, I think people would
Speaker 3: have an easier time with it. Because there is the
Speaker 3: gender aspect of it. People are nervous about how we
Speaker 3: talk about it. And then you add to it that
Speaker 3: there is also a very obvious now we can talk
Speaker 3: about how significant, but an obvious at least component of
Speaker 3: a racial component, which is it is odd that this
Speaker 3: league that is majority black, a disproportionate amount of its
Speaker 3: stars have been white women throughout history and now its
Speaker 3: biggest star is a white woman. That is an added
Speaker 3: landmine or a complication, whatever you want to put it.
Speaker 3: And I think because people are so afraid of all
Speaker 3: of this, everyone's just freaking out and losing their mind
Speaker 3: about a foul and who's talking what, And all of
Speaker 3: a sudden, now the WNBA without anyone mentioning, Hey, the
Speaker 3: Connecticut Sun are undefeated is taking up more airtime than
Speaker 3: it has in the last five years combined. It's a
Speaker 3: fascinating media story as much as anything.
Speaker 2: I thought.
Speaker 1: James Jones, who's been watching the WNBA for years, had
Speaker 1: the most prescient, prescient point on it. I thought it
Speaker 1: was really smart. I didn't think about this.
Speaker 2: He says.
Speaker 1: The biggest difference between the NBA and the WNBA is
Speaker 1: the NBA is much more vertical. You may occasionally have
Speaker 1: a woman break away in the WNBA and dunk it.
Speaker 1: Men go through the lane, jump over other men, and jampers,
Speaker 1: often behind their head. Both leagues can shoot, Both leagues
Speaker 1: can move their feet, both leagues can rebound. Both leagues
Speaker 1: can pass. The NBA men jump over other six or
Speaker 1: eight men and duncan in their face regularly, he said.
Speaker 2: Because of that.
Speaker 1: The WNBA is more physical. You score through physical banging body.
Speaker 1: You don't go over, you go into. Oh, it's fascinating,
Speaker 1: he said. The WNBA is actually more physical than the NBA.
Speaker 1: The NBA is no hand check. You can't stay in
Speaker 1: front of anybody. The Biggs all shoot threes. The lanes
Speaker 1: wide open. That's not the WNBA, you score bully ball.
Speaker 1: And he said, so if you watch the WNBA for years,
Speaker 1: it's way more physical.
Speaker 3: Oh, so that's the NBA. So I hadn't even I
Speaker 3: hadn't even thought about it. So I says, I, it's
Speaker 3: a great point by James. So I considered myself like
Speaker 3: more in I was in tune enough prior to Caitlin
Speaker 3: Clark with the WNBA to make a significant wager before
Speaker 3: last season on the Aces to repeat because I'm like, oh,
Speaker 3: they're the best team, Asia Wilson. I am not in
Speaker 3: tune enough to tell you who the All Stars were,
Speaker 3: you know what I mean? So I was, I was.
Speaker 3: I was a cash visual observer of the league, which
Speaker 3: I think makes me above average for you know, America,
Speaker 3: but below average for the diehards because there's a level
Speaker 3: of the other aspect is it almost feels like Americans
Speaker 3: who are fans of like the EPL, your English Premier League,
Speaker 3: there is a where there's almost not don't love casuals
Speaker 3: and casual fans. And I feel like the WNBA, for
Speaker 3: its first time, maybe in its existence, is experiencing casual fans.
Speaker 3: And so that was the other thing that I thought
Speaker 3: was so fascinating about some of the coverage of the
Speaker 3: angel quote from yesterday. So the internet aggregators did do
Speaker 3: something unfair to Angelry. She gave a long, thoughtful answer,
Speaker 3: and they cut it right when she said, you know,
Speaker 3: basically when she said, you know, this is because of
Speaker 3: me too, and then right after that she then talks
Speaker 3: about her teammate and other women, but they cut it
Speaker 3: to where it just sounded like that. But now there's
Speaker 3: a whole other group of people who aren't used to
Speaker 3: Internet aggregators doing stuff that they've done to every athlete.
Speaker 3: It sucks, it's unfair, and they thought Angel Reese was
Speaker 3: getting unfairly picked on. It's like, nope, Actually, all those
Speaker 3: accounts do that to everybody. Can they do it to Kyrie?
Speaker 3: Do it Aaron Rodgers? They do it to anyone who
Speaker 3: they can, because they're just trafficking clicks. And it's a
Speaker 3: lot of to me, like, you know, almost like very
Speaker 3: what's the word communities online that don't interact with each other,
Speaker 3: who all of a sudden are getting put in the
Speaker 3: same chat room and everyone's just yelling at d and
Speaker 3: everyone's mad and you don't even really and there are
Speaker 3: a lot of real things going on about it now,
Speaker 3: like you at about the tech space and about growing.
Speaker 3: I actually think all of this is going to be
Speaker 3: good for the league, for everybody. We're getting all of
Speaker 3: them out of the way early and by the time
Speaker 3: you get to the you know, the part of the
Speaker 3: season after the Women's Olympics or the after the Olympics
Speaker 3: with women's basketball team plays, everyone's going to kind of
Speaker 3: know the rules of engagement, who's good who from a player,
Speaker 3: respective who's bad, what teams are good. And people are
Speaker 3: into it, and they do have a nice built in
Speaker 3: time of year for their sport to be going on,
Speaker 3: because we got a maximum of seven NBA games left
Speaker 3: and then we are into the real dead time, and
Speaker 3: people care what angel Resent does and they care what
Speaker 3: Cap does, and then people are going to by definition
Speaker 3: care about what the best teams in Asia, Wilson those
Speaker 3: people do. And so I think it's great. I think
Speaker 3: it is so I think it's like having for me
Speaker 3: right now while I'm talking to you. Behind on the screen,
Speaker 3: right behind the camera is the Royals Guardians game because
Speaker 3: for the first time in eight years, I'm watching every
Speaker 3: baseball game the Royals play because for the first time
Speaker 3: in eight years. They're competitive, and for me, it's like,
Speaker 3: oh cool, Like I have a new thing that I
Speaker 3: care about because I only am a nine hard baseball
Speaker 3: fan when my hometown team's good, which if your Royals fan,
Speaker 3: is about once every fifteen years. And so I go
Speaker 3: long stretches where I only watch big game for the playoffs.
Speaker 3: But it's fun to have something new. It's fun to
Speaker 3: have a new thing to be into. And that's how
Speaker 3: I feel about the WNBA.
Speaker 1: Yeah, May through September. Now they play their championship in
Speaker 1: football season. But I think I've told you this before.
Speaker 1: I'm pretty selfish on that is that I literally know exactly.
Speaker 2: When my.
Speaker 1: Vacations are every year. I know I'm gonna work six
Speaker 1: and a half months football, take a week off, come
Speaker 1: back for March madness, NFL free agency, take a couple
Speaker 1: of fridays off, do the NFL Draft, take another Friday off,
Speaker 1: do like six to seven weeks of hard NBA, and
Speaker 1: then I've got like two months, ten weeks of oh shit, yeah,
Speaker 1: do a couple of vacations built in and there exactly right. Yeah,
Speaker 1: And so it's like if I can get every day,
Speaker 1: I mean today Jason mcinron Jason McIntyre Night Today spent
Speaker 1: at least an hour on the WNBA, and.
Speaker 2: It was a blast.
Speaker 1: We had all sorts of good debates and I we
Speaker 1: will you know when the show ends. We lovered to
Speaker 1: get up and walk out at the same time. We
Speaker 1: don't sit around at all, and he goes, he goes. Man.
Speaker 1: We had some good debates and I'm like, that was
Speaker 1: a great June show. Waiting for the NBA. I'm like,
Speaker 1: that's as good as a June show is going to
Speaker 1: get for three hours, and I'm like it was. There
Speaker 1: were great debates. We talked stars and villains and rivals
Speaker 1: and oh, I'm gonna scheduling business.
Speaker 3: Can I ask you a question about villains? So I
Speaker 3: said this on the podcast I do with my son
Speaker 3: this morning, which was it was in the context of
Speaker 3: Angel Rees saying, you know, I'll be the villain. Yeah,
Speaker 3: And my take was, and maybe you can think of
Speaker 3: someone no one actually enjoys being the permanent villain, with
Speaker 3: maybe one exception that I'll give you. So Lebron tried
Speaker 3: it on, didn't fit him. Dylan Brooks literally said Dylan
Speaker 3: the villain, and then two weeks later was like why
Speaker 3: is everyone calling me a villain? Patrick Beverly pretends he
Speaker 3: wants to be the villain, but then comes down and like, oh,
Speaker 3: that lady in the crowd said something really mean to me.
Speaker 3: Draymond kind of is okay with it. But also I
Speaker 3: think Draymond wants to be liked, and I don't think
Speaker 3: he wants to be He doesn't mind being the enforcer,
Speaker 3: but the villain is different. I don't think there are
Speaker 3: in today's in f real you know villains. So the guy,
Speaker 3: the only one I came up with currently is I
Speaker 3: do think Luca enjoys playing on the road more than
Speaker 3: at home and mfing the crowd and all of it.
Speaker 3: But I don't think it is sustainable long term to
Speaker 3: permanently be the villain. People might say, Reggie Miller, that
Speaker 3: was for one so that was for one arena. Then
Speaker 3: you know MSG. And it should be noted that Reggie
Speaker 3: Miller was six and twelve in his career in the
Speaker 3: playoffs in MSG. It was the worst in the He
Speaker 3: had the worst record in MSG home road versus any
Speaker 3: arena he played in his whole career more than five times.
Speaker 3: So even though he liked said he liked being the villain.
Speaker 3: It didn't actually, you know translate. I don't think it's
Speaker 3: sustainable to permanently be the villain in sport. I don't
Speaker 3: know if you agree, but that's what I thought of
Speaker 3: when Angel said I'll do it. I think she can
Speaker 3: do it for now. I don't think you can do
Speaker 3: it permanently.
Speaker 1: Yeah. I tend to believe as a performer, I am
Speaker 1: at my best when I'm neutral, So I don't like
Speaker 1: to be elevated, nor do I like to be the villain.
Speaker 1: I feel like every day i'm going on, I'm walking
Speaker 1: onto a stage and I'm performing for the audience, and
Speaker 1: inside of a big studio, I'm performing for a camera
Speaker 1: in Jason McIntyre, and I think I'm best performing neutral
Speaker 1: is that I have strong opinions the audience. Is it
Speaker 1: for it or against it? There have been times I've
Speaker 1: been popular and unpopular. But I think for a performer neutral,
Speaker 1: I mean, Jerry Seinfeld could handle a heckler, but that's
Speaker 1: not what he would ask for. He could also ask
Speaker 1: for a ten minute standing ovation, but that would get tedious.
Speaker 1: Jerry's at his best when he has to earn the
Speaker 1: approval and get the laughs regardless off at Caesar's Palace
Speaker 1: or the laugh Factory in Taledo, Ohio. So I think
Speaker 1: I think all athletes because I almost feel like it's
Speaker 1: being it's a car racer is. I want my my
Speaker 1: heartbeat to never fluctuate corners, flats, finish, beginning. It stays
Speaker 1: the same, so my adrenaline doesn't change radically.
Speaker 2: I don't make more.
Speaker 1: Emotional moves or more urgent moves, So I I largely
Speaker 1: agree with you. I think everybody likes to be liked
Speaker 1: at some point. But I also think people sometimes understand
Speaker 1: their roles. As a dad, I understand sometimes my voice
Speaker 1: is deeper. Sometimes if I say, hey, knock it off,
Speaker 1: it plays better in the room than if my wife
Speaker 1: would sit like I have a more a deeper.
Speaker 2: Richer voice.
Speaker 1: So I think there are roles I have played from
Speaker 1: time to time to be the heavy in the family and.
Speaker 2: Just say cut that shit out.
Speaker 3: But doing it.
Speaker 2: I also like to.
Speaker 3: Be permanently that in any phase eye thing is just tough.
Speaker 3: I think it wears on you and I'm and maybe
Speaker 3: I am. Maybe there is an obvious athlete that I'm
Speaker 3: just People in the comments section will tell me if
Speaker 3: I'm forgetting one. But I can't think of an in
Speaker 3: modern maybe again in yesteryear, but in modern America, if
Speaker 3: you will, I can't think of an athlete that has
Speaker 3: successfully been just perma villain any place, anywhere, for you know,
Speaker 3: more than a season. Again. Lebron, who I think is
Speaker 3: as mentally tough the Dallas series in twenty eleven, notwithstanding
Speaker 3: of any athlete we've ever seen, tried that hat on
Speaker 3: for a year and that then led to the Dallas
Speaker 3: Series and he hated it like it wore him down
Speaker 3: so much he had the only true failure of his career.
Speaker 3: I just don't think that's a healthy spot to be.
Speaker 1: The volume. Thanks for listening to part one of the
Speaker 1: conversations with Nick.
Speaker 2: Don't forget to check back for part two.