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This is a paid advertisement time for 20 00:01:17,880 --> 00:01:21,680 Speaker 1: twice monthly. Nick Wright conversation which lasts about an hour 21 00:01:21,720 --> 00:01:23,960 Speaker 1: but flies right by. So you know, I've been on 22 00:01:24,000 --> 00:01:25,600 Speaker 1: this thing where I talk about. 23 00:01:25,400 --> 00:01:28,480 Speaker 3: It before you even get going. I can I say 24 00:01:28,480 --> 00:01:36,440 Speaker 3: something on Colin Cowherd's behalf, Okay, I am, And we 25 00:01:36,480 --> 00:01:38,959 Speaker 3: don't have to spend any time on this other than 26 00:01:38,959 --> 00:01:43,319 Speaker 3: this statement I want to make. I am offended on 27 00:01:43,560 --> 00:01:48,200 Speaker 3: behalf of my dear friend, Colin Cowherd, that so much 28 00:01:48,240 --> 00:01:57,040 Speaker 3: of the Internet reacted surprised by your agent thoughtful and 29 00:01:57,120 --> 00:02:01,080 Speaker 3: dare I say obvious take on Donald Trump. The amount 30 00:02:01,120 --> 00:02:04,320 Speaker 3: of people that were like, oh, I was worried Colin 31 00:02:04,520 --> 00:02:07,000 Speaker 3: was a Trump, I'm like, have you been a lot? 32 00:02:07,040 --> 00:02:11,919 Speaker 3: Like I'm not saying that Colin was out here, you know, 33 00:02:12,120 --> 00:02:16,799 Speaker 3: knocking doors for Bernie Sanders, but the idea that there 34 00:02:16,840 --> 00:02:20,480 Speaker 3: were people that were they were like, oh, what a 35 00:02:20,639 --> 00:02:25,000 Speaker 3: pleasant surprise. I'm like surprise. And so, first of all, 36 00:02:25,040 --> 00:02:27,480 Speaker 3: I'm glad you said what you said, but I'm also 37 00:02:27,720 --> 00:02:31,320 Speaker 3: kind of offended on your behalf that people were surprised 38 00:02:31,360 --> 00:02:33,200 Speaker 3: by it. So I just wanted to say that off 39 00:02:33,200 --> 00:02:35,119 Speaker 3: the top, and then we can do what everything well. 40 00:02:35,200 --> 00:02:38,000 Speaker 1: I well, I had a comment one time and it 41 00:02:38,080 --> 00:02:40,440 Speaker 1: wasn't an endorsement of anything. I just said, I have 42 00:02:41,160 --> 00:02:43,160 Speaker 1: this feeling we're going to see a red wave during 43 00:02:43,200 --> 00:02:46,000 Speaker 1: mid terms because of the way one of the things 44 00:02:46,040 --> 00:02:49,240 Speaker 1: I didn't love. I don't love when government overreaches on anything. 45 00:02:49,240 --> 00:02:51,120 Speaker 1: And I thought some of the COVID stuff, it's like, 46 00:02:51,360 --> 00:02:53,840 Speaker 1: let Californians take their kids to the beach, it's a 47 00:02:53,919 --> 00:02:55,919 Speaker 1: virus get in the sun. I thought they were a 48 00:02:55,960 --> 00:02:57,919 Speaker 1: little over the top. And I said, I got a 49 00:02:58,520 --> 00:03:00,079 Speaker 1: I think we're going to see a red wave. It 50 00:03:00,120 --> 00:03:01,160 Speaker 1: wasn't an endorsement. 51 00:03:01,400 --> 00:03:04,240 Speaker 3: So I remember when that happened, and I think do 52 00:03:04,639 --> 00:03:07,440 Speaker 3: so maybe that is where the surprise came from. Ye, 53 00:03:07,600 --> 00:03:11,600 Speaker 3: I think some people took that as a hope rather 54 00:03:11,680 --> 00:03:15,040 Speaker 3: than a prediction. And you know that you were just 55 00:03:15,080 --> 00:03:17,800 Speaker 3: saying because we talked about it. I think more so 56 00:03:18,480 --> 00:03:21,560 Speaker 3: in the moment about the pessimism or optimism about what 57 00:03:21,720 --> 00:03:25,320 Speaker 3: was going to happen. But yeah, okay, So maybe that's 58 00:03:25,320 --> 00:03:28,560 Speaker 3: where the surprise came from because people saw that. And 59 00:03:28,600 --> 00:03:32,040 Speaker 3: by the way, in those that specific midterms, a lot 60 00:03:32,080 --> 00:03:35,560 Speaker 3: of people that were just crunching the numbers, you know, 61 00:03:35,640 --> 00:03:39,120 Speaker 3: the pollsters and stuff, thought that was certainly very in 62 00:03:39,240 --> 00:03:42,200 Speaker 3: play that this last round of that round of midterms, 63 00:03:42,240 --> 00:03:45,880 Speaker 3: there was going to be significantly more you know, conservative 64 00:03:45,960 --> 00:03:48,680 Speaker 3: Republican gains than there were, So maybe that's where it 65 00:03:48,680 --> 00:03:50,720 Speaker 3: came from. But I was just I was. I was 66 00:03:50,880 --> 00:03:53,880 Speaker 3: very pleased listening to the pod, and I was initially 67 00:03:53,960 --> 00:03:57,200 Speaker 3: pleased by the reaction, and then I was I started 68 00:03:57,200 --> 00:03:59,120 Speaker 3: getting annoyed by it. I was like, yeah, of course, 69 00:04:00,160 --> 00:04:02,880 Speaker 3: you think Colin's out here hanging out in southern California 70 00:04:02,920 --> 00:04:04,960 Speaker 3: wearing a red hat, Like, give me a break, guys, 71 00:04:05,000 --> 00:04:06,000 Speaker 3: but go ahead. 72 00:04:07,440 --> 00:04:10,720 Speaker 1: Well, for the record, sometimes I just like to be instructive. 73 00:04:11,360 --> 00:04:15,440 Speaker 1: The dollar in America, For all those lamenting the economy, 74 00:04:15,560 --> 00:04:20,120 Speaker 1: our dollar right now is the strongest it's nineteen eighty. 75 00:04:20,560 --> 00:04:23,160 Speaker 1: What does that mean? That means, folks, if you have 76 00:04:23,560 --> 00:04:29,400 Speaker 1: the wherewithal financially to travel overseas go this summer, that's 77 00:04:29,760 --> 00:04:34,520 Speaker 1: the dollar will buy you more. What you know it means, obviously, 78 00:04:35,600 --> 00:04:39,159 Speaker 1: you know our dollar on the exports imports. A strong 79 00:04:39,240 --> 00:04:41,600 Speaker 1: dollar is always an economic advantage for us. But what 80 00:04:41,640 --> 00:04:43,719 Speaker 1: it really means to the common person is if you 81 00:04:43,760 --> 00:04:47,120 Speaker 1: can ever go to Europe go the dollars hasn't been 82 00:04:47,120 --> 00:04:50,880 Speaker 1: this strong since nineteen eighty, So everybody lamenting the economy. 83 00:04:51,080 --> 00:04:53,839 Speaker 1: Nobody's saying it's like the dot com Bill Clinton era, 84 00:04:53,960 --> 00:04:57,160 Speaker 1: right when, like you know, Grocer dot com skyrockets and 85 00:04:57,320 --> 00:05:00,680 Speaker 1: like is losing money, But we're saying it's not. Seventy 86 00:05:00,720 --> 00:05:04,159 Speaker 1: two percent of Americans now believe that. That's what I 87 00:05:04,200 --> 00:05:08,919 Speaker 1: read yesterday, that their economy, their finances are fine, but 88 00:05:09,040 --> 00:05:11,440 Speaker 1: the country is to believed. 89 00:05:11,040 --> 00:05:13,880 Speaker 3: So that that it's a similar thing. By the way, 90 00:05:13,960 --> 00:05:16,120 Speaker 3: and then again we can move off this. I shouldn't 91 00:05:16,160 --> 00:05:19,040 Speaker 3: have said this off the top, but it's similar, which is, 92 00:05:19,720 --> 00:05:22,720 Speaker 3: how dangerous is your neighborhood, Oh, it's pretty safe. How 93 00:05:22,800 --> 00:05:26,400 Speaker 3: dangerous is the country? Terribly dangerous? Like it is. There 94 00:05:26,480 --> 00:05:29,240 Speaker 3: is a lot of that, and I don't think I 95 00:05:29,240 --> 00:05:32,920 Speaker 3: don't think anyone would argue right now everything's perfect or 96 00:05:32,960 --> 00:05:36,719 Speaker 3: ideal or even necessary necessarily the best it's been in 97 00:05:36,760 --> 00:05:40,040 Speaker 3: the last ten years, twenty years, whatever. But the point 98 00:05:40,040 --> 00:05:44,480 Speaker 3: you made, which is trying to sell you an America 99 00:05:44,520 --> 00:05:48,719 Speaker 3: that doesn't exist, I thought that you don't see I 100 00:05:48,800 --> 00:05:52,120 Speaker 3: thought was very a very smart way of putting it, Like, 101 00:05:52,160 --> 00:05:56,480 Speaker 3: it is very difficult to say these like that. There 102 00:05:56,560 --> 00:06:00,400 Speaker 3: is this level of crises in every sector of life 103 00:06:00,440 --> 00:06:05,000 Speaker 3: going on, and for anyone who experiences daily life to 104 00:06:05,200 --> 00:06:07,919 Speaker 3: then be like, well, I'm not seeing any of the 105 00:06:08,040 --> 00:06:10,520 Speaker 3: you know, I'm not seeing that, and so yeah, I 106 00:06:10,560 --> 00:06:13,800 Speaker 3: obviously agreed with you, but yeah, go ahead, as you were. 107 00:06:13,839 --> 00:06:15,000 Speaker 3: I don't know where we're going to start. 108 00:06:15,120 --> 00:06:17,800 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, well I can always tell when somebody is 109 00:06:17,839 --> 00:06:20,200 Speaker 1: not from Southern California, they say you live in a 110 00:06:20,240 --> 00:06:23,840 Speaker 1: gated community outside of Hidden Hills, which is like the 111 00:06:23,920 --> 00:06:28,479 Speaker 1: Kardashian neighborhood. Southern California doesn't gate a lot of its communities. 112 00:06:28,520 --> 00:06:33,080 Speaker 1: Now Orange County might, but La County doesn't. So I mean, 113 00:06:33,120 --> 00:06:35,280 Speaker 1: there's some Beverly Hills stuff, but you can drive all 114 00:06:35,279 --> 00:06:38,040 Speaker 1: over the flats of Beverly Hills and there's no gates there. 115 00:06:38,120 --> 00:06:40,280 Speaker 1: So you can drive up right next to a Hollywood 116 00:06:40,279 --> 00:06:44,279 Speaker 1: director in Beverly Hills. So whenever anybody says like, oh, 117 00:06:44,400 --> 00:06:46,760 Speaker 1: you live in your gated community, it's like, no, that 118 00:06:46,800 --> 00:06:49,599 Speaker 1: you'll see more of those in Cincinnati per capita than here. 119 00:06:49,640 --> 00:06:53,800 Speaker 1: Like on golf courses. LA's really frankly quite open. There's 120 00:06:53,839 --> 00:06:56,080 Speaker 1: an area in Malibu which is hard to get into 121 00:06:56,120 --> 00:06:59,960 Speaker 1: with stars Beverly Hills on the Denzel Washington, the hillside 122 00:07:00,320 --> 00:07:03,520 Speaker 1: very difficult to get into. Orange County's got more of 123 00:07:03,560 --> 00:07:06,159 Speaker 1: it tends to be a bit more conservative, golf course driven. 124 00:07:06,640 --> 00:07:07,240 Speaker 3: Where I live. 125 00:07:07,560 --> 00:07:12,720 Speaker 1: I right now live in an apartment by young people. 126 00:07:12,920 --> 00:07:15,200 Speaker 1: Like this idea that I'm by, I'm mansioned and it's like, 127 00:07:15,240 --> 00:07:17,800 Speaker 1: and for the record, I don't really care what anybody 128 00:07:17,800 --> 00:07:19,600 Speaker 1: thinks about my you know, if you like me, great, 129 00:07:19,640 --> 00:07:22,800 Speaker 1: if you don't find But my point is is that 130 00:07:22,920 --> 00:07:25,360 Speaker 1: I got a bullshit meter that's pretty good. And like, 131 00:07:25,400 --> 00:07:27,600 Speaker 1: if you keep selling me on something, I'm walking around 132 00:07:27,640 --> 00:07:30,480 Speaker 1: the town and where I live right now as young people, 133 00:07:30,520 --> 00:07:34,200 Speaker 1: it's not a wealthy area and it's like, no, there's. 134 00:07:34,040 --> 00:07:39,120 Speaker 3: A wolf factor there just is if you can't always 135 00:07:39,200 --> 00:07:43,280 Speaker 3: tell me that you know what I mean, the collapse 136 00:07:43,880 --> 00:07:48,880 Speaker 3: is around the corner, imminent happening. And it even more 137 00:07:49,000 --> 00:07:52,600 Speaker 3: so if you try to sell me in my opinion 138 00:07:52,640 --> 00:07:56,520 Speaker 3: three and a half years ago, if you don't reelect me, 139 00:07:57,160 --> 00:08:00,760 Speaker 3: then hell will be at your doors. Then three and 140 00:08:00,800 --> 00:08:03,280 Speaker 3: a half years later you kind of have to pretend 141 00:08:03,440 --> 00:08:06,280 Speaker 3: hell is at your doors. And I don't think that's 142 00:08:06,280 --> 00:08:08,360 Speaker 3: what most people are experiencing. I'm not acting like to 143 00:08:08,360 --> 00:08:10,920 Speaker 3: be there. It's times aren't tough I'm not acting like, 144 00:08:11,200 --> 00:08:13,720 Speaker 3: you know, inflation didn't really hit a lot of people hard. 145 00:08:13,720 --> 00:08:17,440 Speaker 3: I'm like things are perfect. I'm like any that there 146 00:08:17,480 --> 00:08:21,320 Speaker 3: are that things are going swimmingly across the board. But 147 00:08:21,600 --> 00:08:25,760 Speaker 3: somewhere between things being you know, the greatest they've ever 148 00:08:25,800 --> 00:08:29,040 Speaker 3: been and the worst they've ever been is reality, and 149 00:08:29,120 --> 00:08:32,319 Speaker 3: I think it is. I don't think anyone is trying 150 00:08:32,360 --> 00:08:35,880 Speaker 3: to sell us it's the best it's ever been, because 151 00:08:35,880 --> 00:08:38,520 Speaker 3: that wouldn't be, I think, believable. But you do have 152 00:08:38,559 --> 00:08:41,200 Speaker 3: people trying to sell us that it is the worst 153 00:08:41,240 --> 00:08:44,400 Speaker 3: it's ever been, and that's not that's right, that's I 154 00:08:44,480 --> 00:08:47,160 Speaker 3: don't think what most people. It's hard to sell that 155 00:08:47,240 --> 00:08:50,959 Speaker 3: when you know unemployments at four percent are below it's 156 00:08:51,360 --> 00:08:54,600 Speaker 3: the there are certain things yeah with that, it's just 157 00:08:54,679 --> 00:08:57,400 Speaker 3: people aren't going to buy it, even if we wish 158 00:08:57,679 --> 00:08:58,760 Speaker 3: things were better. 159 00:08:58,600 --> 00:09:02,160 Speaker 1: But go ahead, Yeah, and I and I also think 160 00:09:04,080 --> 00:09:10,199 Speaker 1: the truth is we have many challenges ahead of us 161 00:09:10,240 --> 00:09:13,600 Speaker 1: as a society, and there's no perfect administration. And I 162 00:09:13,640 --> 00:09:16,320 Speaker 1: never seek I don't ask my wife to be perfect 163 00:09:16,400 --> 00:09:17,680 Speaker 1: or my employer to be perfect. 164 00:09:17,800 --> 00:09:19,480 Speaker 2: I hope you're on the right side of. 165 00:09:19,440 --> 00:09:23,120 Speaker 1: Big environmental issues, on big economic issues, but I don't 166 00:09:23,120 --> 00:09:26,679 Speaker 1: ask for perfection and but but I mean, we do 167 00:09:26,760 --> 00:09:30,160 Speaker 1: have challenges going forward. I tend to when it comes 168 00:09:30,160 --> 00:09:34,120 Speaker 1: to politics, I'm looking at your policies more than people 169 00:09:34,640 --> 00:09:37,040 Speaker 1: and I and I told this to a conservative friend 170 00:09:37,040 --> 00:09:39,720 Speaker 1: of mine. You guys have got to shift out of grievance. 171 00:09:39,920 --> 00:09:43,040 Speaker 1: That's not a policy. Like, you can't just go angry 172 00:09:43,280 --> 00:09:46,600 Speaker 1: until election day. You have to at some point pivot 173 00:09:46,640 --> 00:09:49,520 Speaker 1: to and here's two or three peas. 174 00:09:49,760 --> 00:09:50,160 Speaker 2: That's right. 175 00:09:50,200 --> 00:09:54,240 Speaker 3: You've got to at some point have some shite you 176 00:09:54,520 --> 00:09:56,440 Speaker 3: And by the way, both there is a and I'm 177 00:09:56,520 --> 00:09:58,480 Speaker 3: I hate when people do the both parties thing, but 178 00:09:58,679 --> 00:10:02,080 Speaker 3: in this regard, it's true. Both parties when they're out 179 00:10:02,120 --> 00:10:05,680 Speaker 3: of power are doing more of the here's what's wrong. 180 00:10:05,800 --> 00:10:09,440 Speaker 3: I totally get that, Yes, but there needs to be 181 00:10:09,679 --> 00:10:12,920 Speaker 3: a level of and here is my plan, you know 182 00:10:12,960 --> 00:10:14,439 Speaker 3: what I mean? Like that, here is. 183 00:10:14,440 --> 00:10:17,440 Speaker 1: The say what you will think about? Go ahead, think 184 00:10:17,480 --> 00:10:19,480 Speaker 1: about this. You go on a date with a girl 185 00:10:19,880 --> 00:10:21,840 Speaker 1: and all she does is bitch about her ex boyfriend 186 00:10:22,920 --> 00:10:25,680 Speaker 1: instead of talking about hey, like, this is what I 187 00:10:25,800 --> 00:10:27,800 Speaker 1: like to do? What do you want to do together? 188 00:10:27,960 --> 00:10:32,840 Speaker 1: Like there's a level of anger and resentment and grievance 189 00:10:33,360 --> 00:10:36,080 Speaker 1: it's got you can fill the cup up pretty quickly, 190 00:10:36,120 --> 00:10:39,800 Speaker 1: like at some point pivot to all right, let's get 191 00:10:39,840 --> 00:10:42,920 Speaker 1: optimistic on this thing. Here's what we're doing. You gotta 192 00:10:43,000 --> 00:10:44,920 Speaker 1: it's like almost like I used to have a boss 193 00:10:44,960 --> 00:10:47,640 Speaker 1: he passed away, Larry Kenop, and he used to always 194 00:10:47,679 --> 00:10:49,840 Speaker 1: say it was a really I really used it, he said. 195 00:10:49,880 --> 00:10:52,400 Speaker 1: You know, sometimes you have to put your arm around 196 00:10:52,400 --> 00:10:55,360 Speaker 1: it in an employee and with your left leg kick 197 00:10:55,440 --> 00:10:59,240 Speaker 1: him in the ass. You can't just rip him for 198 00:10:59,360 --> 00:11:02,000 Speaker 1: fifteen in it. You got to put your arm around 199 00:11:02,080 --> 00:11:04,400 Speaker 1: him and say, boy, I'm pissed off, I'm pissed off, 200 00:11:04,480 --> 00:11:09,880 Speaker 1: or I really love you. But managers, coaches, politicians, it 201 00:11:10,040 --> 00:11:14,880 Speaker 1: can't be a fire hose of grievance. You've got to 202 00:11:14,960 --> 00:11:16,320 Speaker 1: give me positive. 203 00:11:15,920 --> 00:11:20,760 Speaker 3: And you've got any really any you mentioned relationship, any like, 204 00:11:21,920 --> 00:11:27,080 Speaker 3: not just dating, romantic relationship. Nobody wants to have dinner 205 00:11:27,240 --> 00:11:31,280 Speaker 3: or drinks with the friend that the moment you sit down, 206 00:11:31,880 --> 00:11:36,800 Speaker 3: it's just woe is me. Here's here is the last 207 00:11:36,840 --> 00:11:40,160 Speaker 3: awful thing. You know, if I didn't have bad luck, 208 00:11:40,240 --> 00:11:42,800 Speaker 3: I wouldn't have any you know what I mean. That's 209 00:11:42,880 --> 00:11:45,680 Speaker 3: the story of my life. No, and I'm not again, 210 00:11:45,920 --> 00:11:48,160 Speaker 3: I am not trying to be toned up. I understand 211 00:11:48,240 --> 00:11:52,040 Speaker 3: some people really really have it rough. But the folks 212 00:11:52,080 --> 00:11:56,080 Speaker 3: who no matter and all of us know these people 213 00:11:56,600 --> 00:12:00,400 Speaker 3: that no matter the situation that's going on, they are 214 00:12:00,559 --> 00:12:06,040 Speaker 3: always either in crisis real or imagined, or they have 215 00:12:06,280 --> 00:12:10,120 Speaker 3: just you won't believe how I just got screwed over. 216 00:12:10,559 --> 00:12:14,640 Speaker 3: Let me tell you about it. That person's exhausting. And 217 00:12:14,679 --> 00:12:16,400 Speaker 3: it doesn't mean you don't want you don't have the 218 00:12:16,440 --> 00:12:19,920 Speaker 3: empathy for someone when something happens. But the people that 219 00:12:20,400 --> 00:12:25,079 Speaker 3: I think are most magnetic, most attractive in as far 220 00:12:25,160 --> 00:12:29,880 Speaker 3: as to spend time with, are people that almost no 221 00:12:29,960 --> 00:12:35,120 Speaker 3: matter what's going on, they're either looking forward, solution orient oriented, 222 00:12:35,440 --> 00:12:38,360 Speaker 3: or they're just you know, they are trying to figure 223 00:12:38,400 --> 00:12:41,640 Speaker 3: out a way through. And that's the people you want 224 00:12:41,679 --> 00:12:43,760 Speaker 3: to hang out with. Those are the and for a 225 00:12:43,800 --> 00:12:46,800 Speaker 3: lot of in my opinion, whether this is the right 226 00:12:46,920 --> 00:12:49,920 Speaker 3: or the wrong way to elect politicians, a lot of 227 00:12:49,920 --> 00:12:52,719 Speaker 3: what decides close elections is the old who do you 228 00:12:52,760 --> 00:12:54,600 Speaker 3: want to have a beer with? Test? Again, I think 229 00:12:54,600 --> 00:12:56,600 Speaker 3: that's kind of dumb, but that is It's been shown 230 00:12:56,679 --> 00:13:01,439 Speaker 3: time and again, and I just don't think people love 231 00:13:01,559 --> 00:13:05,360 Speaker 3: the whiner and I and I. At one point in 232 00:13:05,480 --> 00:13:11,200 Speaker 3: time it felt to me like the conservative wing of 233 00:13:11,240 --> 00:13:17,480 Speaker 3: America had done a really good job, whether it's accurate 234 00:13:17,559 --> 00:13:22,520 Speaker 3: or not, of marketing themselves as the we'll figure this out. 235 00:13:22,760 --> 00:13:26,360 Speaker 3: Bad shit happens. Yeah, but you know what, whatever it is, 236 00:13:26,400 --> 00:13:28,680 Speaker 3: we are going to And again, even if I think 237 00:13:28,679 --> 00:13:32,800 Speaker 3: it was bullshit marketing, it was the way people people 238 00:13:32,840 --> 00:13:36,880 Speaker 3: associated with it, and they associated the left with more 239 00:13:37,000 --> 00:13:40,040 Speaker 3: of the whining and complaining. That is, if you tell 240 00:13:40,120 --> 00:13:43,960 Speaker 3: me right now that there is a politician that just 241 00:13:44,040 --> 00:13:47,200 Speaker 3: did a thirty minute interview and all they did was 242 00:13:47,400 --> 00:13:52,199 Speaker 3: bitch and moan. I don't associate that with AOC. I don't. 243 00:13:52,480 --> 00:13:52,640 Speaker 1: Now. 244 00:13:52,679 --> 00:13:56,040 Speaker 3: You might say AOC has bad ideas, but she has ideas. 245 00:13:56,360 --> 00:13:58,520 Speaker 3: She came into Congress She's like, hey, green, new deal, 246 00:13:58,559 --> 00:14:00,880 Speaker 3: I want to remake everything. Here's the bill. And you 247 00:14:00,960 --> 00:14:03,520 Speaker 3: might say that's a disastrous bill. What you didn't come 248 00:14:03,559 --> 00:14:06,720 Speaker 3: in and say is, oh, it's so unfair. What's happening 249 00:14:06,760 --> 00:14:09,040 Speaker 3: to me? Everyone's out to get me. No, I just 250 00:14:09,080 --> 00:14:13,120 Speaker 3: don't find that personally inspired. And there's the political thing. 251 00:14:13,240 --> 00:14:16,520 Speaker 1: Yeah, no, no, that's I always thought. 252 00:14:16,720 --> 00:14:17,559 Speaker 2: I've said this before. 253 00:14:17,600 --> 00:14:21,000 Speaker 1: My two favorite politicians ever are Reagan and Obama and 254 00:14:21,080 --> 00:14:25,760 Speaker 1: there was, they weren't. Neither was catastrophic, and I've worked 255 00:14:25,800 --> 00:14:28,480 Speaker 1: with people who are catastrophic where the sky is falling. 256 00:14:28,760 --> 00:14:30,960 Speaker 1: And Reagan always had a smile on his face and 257 00:14:31,000 --> 00:14:33,120 Speaker 1: we'll figure it out. He was a very positive guy. 258 00:14:33,760 --> 00:14:36,520 Speaker 1: Reagan just felt like, good morning in America. We're gonna 259 00:14:36,560 --> 00:14:38,560 Speaker 1: make it work. This is the greatest country. 260 00:14:38,880 --> 00:14:39,560 Speaker 2: I loved. 261 00:14:39,600 --> 00:14:42,640 Speaker 1: Reagan and Obama always had a this job is hard. 262 00:14:42,720 --> 00:14:45,200 Speaker 1: Let's take a deep breath. I'm gonna wear a beas suit. 263 00:14:45,240 --> 00:14:55,680 Speaker 1: Don't freak out. This job is not easy. Phil Knight 264 00:14:56,200 --> 00:14:59,680 Speaker 1: has a manifesto. When he started Nike, he wrote down 265 00:14:59,680 --> 00:15:01,840 Speaker 1: ten and a lot of this you could see in 266 00:15:01,960 --> 00:15:06,600 Speaker 1: Air the movie Air Ben Affleck and number nine on 267 00:15:06,640 --> 00:15:10,120 Speaker 1: it was this will be messy. And one of the 268 00:15:10,160 --> 00:15:13,520 Speaker 1: real things I talked about today about the WNBA was 269 00:15:14,200 --> 00:15:18,000 Speaker 1: we are seeing this moment in time where this league. 270 00:15:18,320 --> 00:15:20,440 Speaker 1: And I've always said, I'm in the omelet business, not 271 00:15:20,520 --> 00:15:24,160 Speaker 1: the egg business. I don't make you interesting. When you're made, 272 00:15:24,280 --> 00:15:26,560 Speaker 1: I talk about you, not my job to make the omelet. 273 00:15:26,640 --> 00:15:29,240 Speaker 1: I'll report on the omelet. So I didn't talk about 274 00:15:29,240 --> 00:15:32,120 Speaker 1: the WNBA because, frankly, it didn't get ratings. I mean Jesus, 275 00:15:32,200 --> 00:15:34,560 Speaker 1: the finals got seven hundred thousand. Now you have a 276 00:15:34,600 --> 00:15:37,840 Speaker 1: catalyst that explodes when a business explodes. It could be 277 00:15:37,840 --> 00:15:40,920 Speaker 1: a tech business, pharmaceutical business, it could be a law firm. 278 00:15:41,680 --> 00:15:46,200 Speaker 1: When something explodes, shit gets messy, and we're in the 279 00:15:46,320 --> 00:15:49,680 Speaker 1: messy phase. For the WNBA. Their early schedule for the 280 00:15:49,720 --> 00:15:52,200 Speaker 1: Fever is insane. They're played twice lay. 281 00:15:52,080 --> 00:15:57,280 Speaker 3: A game played colin from previous Friday until Sunday. That 282 00:15:57,520 --> 00:16:01,200 Speaker 3: nine day stretch, they play as many games as the 283 00:16:01,240 --> 00:16:04,760 Speaker 3: Aces have played all year. They it was and it 284 00:16:04,840 --> 00:16:08,160 Speaker 3: was again from a marketing standpoint, I got it. Put 285 00:16:08,240 --> 00:16:11,720 Speaker 3: Caitlyn as many places as possible. From a the you know, 286 00:16:11,760 --> 00:16:14,480 Speaker 3: the Fever played eleven game, the Finding champs have played six. 287 00:16:14,560 --> 00:16:17,920 Speaker 3: Now that maybe that was sneaky, brilliant, and then I'll 288 00:16:18,000 --> 00:16:20,880 Speaker 3: let you finish. I'm sorry because it will lead to 289 00:16:21,040 --> 00:16:25,240 Speaker 3: I think Caitlin being awesome at the end of the year, 290 00:16:25,520 --> 00:16:27,720 Speaker 3: because all of a sudden, she's gonna be the most 291 00:16:27,800 --> 00:16:30,560 Speaker 3: rested player in every game because they got they have 292 00:16:30,640 --> 00:16:33,240 Speaker 3: no more back to backs, they have no more three 293 00:16:33,320 --> 00:16:35,600 Speaker 3: games in four nights. So the rest of the year 294 00:16:35,680 --> 00:16:37,560 Speaker 3: she's gonna have real time in between it, but they 295 00:16:37,560 --> 00:16:39,960 Speaker 3: were they but go ahead, you were. You were making 296 00:16:40,000 --> 00:16:41,120 Speaker 3: a point that I interrupted. 297 00:16:42,720 --> 00:16:45,640 Speaker 1: So it's just an it's an exploding business. For the 298 00:16:45,680 --> 00:16:49,000 Speaker 1: first time it was you know, let's we all know 299 00:16:49,200 --> 00:16:52,640 Speaker 1: the backstory on the w NBA that it was subsidized 300 00:16:52,640 --> 00:16:54,800 Speaker 1: by the NBA for a decade. Now they moved into 301 00:16:54,840 --> 00:16:58,560 Speaker 1: smaller arenas, it wasn't terribly profitable. Las Vegas has sort 302 00:16:58,600 --> 00:17:00,600 Speaker 1: of figured it out first to be the first franchise 303 00:17:00,600 --> 00:17:03,760 Speaker 1: that's making real money, almost has an an ideal with 304 00:17:03,800 --> 00:17:06,919 Speaker 1: its players. But the point being is this is an explosion, 305 00:17:07,119 --> 00:17:09,679 Speaker 1: and you see it in tech all the time. You 306 00:17:09,880 --> 00:17:12,879 Speaker 1: just quite it's it's hard to predict the unpredictable, and 307 00:17:12,920 --> 00:17:14,440 Speaker 1: so I. 308 00:17:14,359 --> 00:17:21,080 Speaker 3: Think so much of the Caitlyn Clark WNBA commentary has 309 00:17:21,359 --> 00:17:27,879 Speaker 3: actually been some weird media meta commentary about the commentary, 310 00:17:28,480 --> 00:17:31,359 Speaker 3: like it has been very like the basketball stuff, I 311 00:17:31,520 --> 00:17:34,600 Speaker 3: think is pretty straightforward. This is a hell of a 312 00:17:34,680 --> 00:17:37,440 Speaker 3: rookie class. Cameron brank is going to be a star. 313 00:17:37,840 --> 00:17:40,679 Speaker 3: Angel Reese is going to be a star, Caitlyn Clark 314 00:17:41,119 --> 00:17:43,800 Speaker 3: is going to be a superstar, and maybe those other 315 00:17:43,840 --> 00:17:46,280 Speaker 3: two will as well. And they have brought a lot 316 00:17:46,280 --> 00:17:49,680 Speaker 3: of eyeballs. Caitlyn Clark's team seems to really be struggling, 317 00:17:49,720 --> 00:17:51,640 Speaker 3: probably in part because they had the number one pick 318 00:17:51,680 --> 00:17:54,399 Speaker 3: the last two years for a reason, and partially because 319 00:17:54,400 --> 00:17:59,840 Speaker 3: of this schedule. And is there some predictable jealousy either, 320 00:18:00,160 --> 00:18:03,639 Speaker 3: just based purely on attention and economics? Is some of 321 00:18:03,680 --> 00:18:07,000 Speaker 3: it about ads rookie and some hazing short, all that 322 00:18:07,080 --> 00:18:10,760 Speaker 3: stuff kind of to me is a pretty straightforward sports story, 323 00:18:10,880 --> 00:18:13,959 Speaker 3: up to and including the foul heard around the world 324 00:18:14,320 --> 00:18:18,120 Speaker 3: that was just a hard flagrant, not even a flagrant too, 325 00:18:18,359 --> 00:18:22,840 Speaker 3: like it was a hard foul. But the commentary has 326 00:18:22,920 --> 00:18:26,720 Speaker 3: really been about the commentary, and there's so many levels 327 00:18:26,720 --> 00:18:28,840 Speaker 3: to it. So I want to start with the first 328 00:18:28,840 --> 00:18:37,280 Speaker 3: thing you said, which is like thought exercise. Let's say 329 00:18:37,320 --> 00:18:44,800 Speaker 3: in five years there is a Tiger Woods like athlete 330 00:18:44,960 --> 00:18:47,000 Speaker 3: and and some would say, oh, we've already had it, 331 00:18:47,040 --> 00:18:51,840 Speaker 3: but no Tiger Woods esque in that he captures everyone's 332 00:18:51,880 --> 00:18:58,639 Speaker 3: attention in hockey. Do we then need to go on 333 00:18:58,760 --> 00:19:02,959 Speaker 3: the air and be like, we are so sorry that 334 00:19:03,000 --> 00:19:08,000 Speaker 3: we weren't covering hockey before we did a moral disservice. 335 00:19:08,359 --> 00:19:12,160 Speaker 3: I don't feel we do, and so I don't feel 336 00:19:12,240 --> 00:19:17,840 Speaker 3: when folks have been like, well, you're new to the party, Like, well, 337 00:19:18,640 --> 00:19:23,840 Speaker 3: in our specific business, the party just got going. Now. 338 00:19:23,840 --> 00:19:27,359 Speaker 3: It doesn't mean it was not worth a worthwhile league. 339 00:19:27,400 --> 00:19:31,240 Speaker 3: It doesn't mean I'm not glad it exists. But I 340 00:19:31,280 --> 00:19:37,359 Speaker 3: on my show, I barely talk about professional baseball. I 341 00:19:37,400 --> 00:19:40,320 Speaker 3: don't talk anything about hockey. It'd be one thing if 342 00:19:40,359 --> 00:19:44,679 Speaker 3: on our shows we were talking eleven different sports and 343 00:19:44,880 --> 00:19:47,960 Speaker 3: just like, nope, we have time for cricket, but we're 344 00:19:48,000 --> 00:19:50,679 Speaker 3: not making time for the WNBA. That's not the truth. 345 00:19:51,000 --> 00:19:54,520 Speaker 3: That's not how these shows work. And there has been 346 00:19:54,600 --> 00:19:58,760 Speaker 3: to me an element of what I would compare to 347 00:19:58,840 --> 00:20:02,840 Speaker 3: the hipster band phenomenon, which is if there is a 348 00:20:02,920 --> 00:20:06,520 Speaker 3: band that all of a sudden is playing arenas, but 349 00:20:07,200 --> 00:20:11,360 Speaker 3: a year ago was playing eight hundred person venues. The 350 00:20:11,400 --> 00:20:15,359 Speaker 3: folks who were the fan of the band then sometimes 351 00:20:15,920 --> 00:20:19,520 Speaker 3: are like, oh, you know, I was here before it 352 00:20:19,600 --> 00:20:23,399 Speaker 3: was popular, and they're almost snarky towards the new people, 353 00:20:23,800 --> 00:20:26,439 Speaker 3: as opposed to being like, hey, I always knew this 354 00:20:26,600 --> 00:20:30,119 Speaker 3: was awesome, Glad you're here now. So I don't love that, 355 00:20:30,359 --> 00:20:35,159 Speaker 3: and I think so I think that is problematic in one 356 00:20:35,160 --> 00:20:38,479 Speaker 3: direction from a media perspective. Here's another thing. I think 357 00:20:38,560 --> 00:20:41,080 Speaker 3: is problematic from a media perspective. In the other direction, 358 00:20:41,800 --> 00:20:46,160 Speaker 3: folks who clearly have the attitude of you should be 359 00:20:46,520 --> 00:20:51,320 Speaker 3: happy I'm even talking about your sport. Therefore, none of 360 00:20:51,320 --> 00:20:55,080 Speaker 3: my opinions are open for criticism because you're just lucky 361 00:20:55,080 --> 00:20:58,160 Speaker 3: to be getting my opinions. I think that's bullshit too. 362 00:20:58,800 --> 00:21:02,960 Speaker 3: And I think if it were or if it were hockey, 363 00:21:03,440 --> 00:21:07,520 Speaker 3: or if it were the MLS, I think people would 364 00:21:07,520 --> 00:21:10,919 Speaker 3: have an easier time with it. Because there is the 365 00:21:11,119 --> 00:21:15,040 Speaker 3: gender aspect of it. People are nervous about how we 366 00:21:15,080 --> 00:21:18,119 Speaker 3: talk about it. And then you add to it that 367 00:21:18,160 --> 00:21:21,280 Speaker 3: there is also a very obvious now we can talk 368 00:21:21,280 --> 00:21:24,959 Speaker 3: about how significant, but an obvious at least component of 369 00:21:25,000 --> 00:21:28,679 Speaker 3: a racial component, which is it is odd that this 370 00:21:28,800 --> 00:21:33,560 Speaker 3: league that is majority black, a disproportionate amount of its 371 00:21:33,600 --> 00:21:36,600 Speaker 3: stars have been white women throughout history and now its 372 00:21:36,640 --> 00:21:39,880 Speaker 3: biggest star is a white woman. That is an added 373 00:21:40,560 --> 00:21:43,760 Speaker 3: landmine or a complication, whatever you want to put it. 374 00:21:44,359 --> 00:21:46,720 Speaker 3: And I think because people are so afraid of all 375 00:21:46,760 --> 00:21:50,480 Speaker 3: of this, everyone's just freaking out and losing their mind 376 00:21:50,480 --> 00:21:53,200 Speaker 3: about a foul and who's talking what, And all of 377 00:21:53,240 --> 00:21:56,480 Speaker 3: a sudden, now the WNBA without anyone mentioning, Hey, the 378 00:21:56,520 --> 00:22:00,280 Speaker 3: Connecticut Sun are undefeated is taking up more airtime than 379 00:22:00,280 --> 00:22:02,240 Speaker 3: it has in the last five years combined. It's a 380 00:22:02,320 --> 00:22:05,360 Speaker 3: fascinating media story as much as anything. 381 00:22:06,960 --> 00:22:07,359 Speaker 2: I thought. 382 00:22:07,440 --> 00:22:12,600 Speaker 1: James Jones, who's been watching the WNBA for years, had 383 00:22:12,640 --> 00:22:15,159 Speaker 1: the most prescient, prescient point on it. I thought it 384 00:22:15,200 --> 00:22:18,159 Speaker 1: was really smart. I didn't think about this. 385 00:22:19,320 --> 00:22:19,800 Speaker 2: He says. 386 00:22:20,200 --> 00:22:24,520 Speaker 1: The biggest difference between the NBA and the WNBA is 387 00:22:24,560 --> 00:22:28,040 Speaker 1: the NBA is much more vertical. You may occasionally have 388 00:22:28,080 --> 00:22:30,280 Speaker 1: a woman break away in the WNBA and dunk it. 389 00:22:31,200 --> 00:22:35,600 Speaker 1: Men go through the lane, jump over other men, and jampers, 390 00:22:35,920 --> 00:22:40,080 Speaker 1: often behind their head. Both leagues can shoot, Both leagues 391 00:22:40,080 --> 00:22:43,520 Speaker 1: can move their feet, both leagues can rebound. Both leagues 392 00:22:43,560 --> 00:22:47,720 Speaker 1: can pass. The NBA men jump over other six or 393 00:22:47,720 --> 00:22:50,880 Speaker 1: eight men and duncan in their face regularly, he said. 394 00:22:50,960 --> 00:22:51,680 Speaker 2: Because of that. 395 00:22:52,400 --> 00:22:57,679 Speaker 1: The WNBA is more physical. You score through physical banging body. 396 00:22:58,040 --> 00:23:04,480 Speaker 1: You don't go over, you go into. Oh, it's fascinating, 397 00:23:04,840 --> 00:23:08,760 Speaker 1: he said. The WNBA is actually more physical than the NBA. 398 00:23:08,960 --> 00:23:10,920 Speaker 1: The NBA is no hand check. You can't stay in 399 00:23:10,960 --> 00:23:15,240 Speaker 1: front of anybody. The Biggs all shoot threes. The lanes 400 00:23:15,280 --> 00:23:20,440 Speaker 1: wide open. That's not the WNBA, you score bully ball. 401 00:23:20,800 --> 00:23:23,280 Speaker 1: And he said, so if you watch the WNBA for years, 402 00:23:23,480 --> 00:23:25,200 Speaker 1: it's way more physical. 403 00:23:25,280 --> 00:23:28,520 Speaker 3: Oh, so that's the NBA. So I hadn't even I 404 00:23:28,520 --> 00:23:31,520 Speaker 3: hadn't even thought about it. So I says, I, it's 405 00:23:31,560 --> 00:23:35,399 Speaker 3: a great point by James. So I considered myself like 406 00:23:36,320 --> 00:23:40,200 Speaker 3: more in I was in tune enough prior to Caitlin 407 00:23:40,240 --> 00:23:45,000 Speaker 3: Clark with the WNBA to make a significant wager before 408 00:23:45,119 --> 00:23:48,920 Speaker 3: last season on the Aces to repeat because I'm like, oh, 409 00:23:48,920 --> 00:23:52,040 Speaker 3: they're the best team, Asia Wilson. I am not in 410 00:23:52,160 --> 00:23:56,680 Speaker 3: tune enough to tell you who the All Stars were, 411 00:23:56,840 --> 00:23:58,479 Speaker 3: you know what I mean? So I was, I was. 412 00:23:59,200 --> 00:24:01,760 Speaker 3: I was a cash visual observer of the league, which 413 00:24:01,800 --> 00:24:06,160 Speaker 3: I think makes me above average for you know, America, 414 00:24:06,200 --> 00:24:09,800 Speaker 3: but below average for the diehards because there's a level 415 00:24:09,840 --> 00:24:15,040 Speaker 3: of the other aspect is it almost feels like Americans 416 00:24:15,080 --> 00:24:19,800 Speaker 3: who are fans of like the EPL, your English Premier League, 417 00:24:20,160 --> 00:24:27,200 Speaker 3: there is a where there's almost not don't love casuals 418 00:24:27,320 --> 00:24:30,119 Speaker 3: and casual fans. And I feel like the WNBA, for 419 00:24:30,200 --> 00:24:35,480 Speaker 3: its first time, maybe in its existence, is experiencing casual fans. 420 00:24:35,760 --> 00:24:37,840 Speaker 3: And so that was the other thing that I thought 421 00:24:37,960 --> 00:24:42,440 Speaker 3: was so fascinating about some of the coverage of the 422 00:24:42,480 --> 00:24:48,199 Speaker 3: angel quote from yesterday. So the internet aggregators did do 423 00:24:48,359 --> 00:24:52,560 Speaker 3: something unfair to Angelry. She gave a long, thoughtful answer, 424 00:24:53,200 --> 00:24:56,840 Speaker 3: and they cut it right when she said, you know, 425 00:24:57,040 --> 00:25:01,000 Speaker 3: basically when she said, you know, this is because of 426 00:25:01,200 --> 00:25:05,080 Speaker 3: me too, and then right after that she then talks 427 00:25:05,119 --> 00:25:08,600 Speaker 3: about her teammate and other women, but they cut it 428 00:25:08,640 --> 00:25:12,120 Speaker 3: to where it just sounded like that. But now there's 429 00:25:12,160 --> 00:25:15,040 Speaker 3: a whole other group of people who aren't used to 430 00:25:15,720 --> 00:25:19,760 Speaker 3: Internet aggregators doing stuff that they've done to every athlete. 431 00:25:19,800 --> 00:25:23,480 Speaker 3: It sucks, it's unfair, and they thought Angel Reese was 432 00:25:23,480 --> 00:25:26,520 Speaker 3: getting unfairly picked on. It's like, nope, Actually, all those 433 00:25:26,560 --> 00:25:29,800 Speaker 3: accounts do that to everybody. Can they do it to Kyrie? 434 00:25:30,080 --> 00:25:32,480 Speaker 3: Do it Aaron Rodgers? They do it to anyone who 435 00:25:32,520 --> 00:25:35,639 Speaker 3: they can, because they're just trafficking clicks. And it's a 436 00:25:35,680 --> 00:25:40,640 Speaker 3: lot of to me, like, you know, almost like very 437 00:25:42,960 --> 00:25:47,640 Speaker 3: what's the word communities online that don't interact with each other, 438 00:25:47,800 --> 00:25:50,080 Speaker 3: who all of a sudden are getting put in the 439 00:25:50,119 --> 00:25:53,919 Speaker 3: same chat room and everyone's just yelling at d and 440 00:25:54,040 --> 00:25:56,879 Speaker 3: everyone's mad and you don't even really and there are 441 00:25:56,920 --> 00:25:59,160 Speaker 3: a lot of real things going on about it now, 442 00:25:59,520 --> 00:26:02,399 Speaker 3: like you at about the tech space and about growing. 443 00:26:03,000 --> 00:26:06,439 Speaker 3: I actually think all of this is going to be 444 00:26:06,560 --> 00:26:10,199 Speaker 3: good for the league, for everybody. We're getting all of 445 00:26:10,200 --> 00:26:13,120 Speaker 3: them out of the way early and by the time 446 00:26:13,200 --> 00:26:16,520 Speaker 3: you get to the you know, the part of the 447 00:26:16,560 --> 00:26:19,600 Speaker 3: season after the Women's Olympics or the after the Olympics 448 00:26:19,600 --> 00:26:22,479 Speaker 3: with women's basketball team plays, everyone's going to kind of 449 00:26:22,480 --> 00:26:25,320 Speaker 3: know the rules of engagement, who's good who from a player, 450 00:26:25,320 --> 00:26:28,000 Speaker 3: respective who's bad, what teams are good. And people are 451 00:26:28,000 --> 00:26:33,679 Speaker 3: into it, and they do have a nice built in 452 00:26:34,520 --> 00:26:36,840 Speaker 3: time of year for their sport to be going on, 453 00:26:37,080 --> 00:26:39,920 Speaker 3: because we got a maximum of seven NBA games left 454 00:26:40,480 --> 00:26:44,679 Speaker 3: and then we are into the real dead time, and 455 00:26:44,840 --> 00:26:49,000 Speaker 3: people care what angel Resent does and they care what 456 00:26:49,200 --> 00:26:52,400 Speaker 3: Cap does, and then people are going to by definition 457 00:26:52,560 --> 00:26:55,040 Speaker 3: care about what the best teams in Asia, Wilson those 458 00:26:55,080 --> 00:26:57,640 Speaker 3: people do. And so I think it's great. I think 459 00:26:57,680 --> 00:27:00,120 Speaker 3: it is so I think it's like having for me 460 00:27:00,680 --> 00:27:03,320 Speaker 3: right now while I'm talking to you. Behind on the screen, 461 00:27:03,400 --> 00:27:08,360 Speaker 3: right behind the camera is the Royals Guardians game because 462 00:27:08,400 --> 00:27:12,200 Speaker 3: for the first time in eight years, I'm watching every 463 00:27:12,240 --> 00:27:14,880 Speaker 3: baseball game the Royals play because for the first time 464 00:27:14,920 --> 00:27:17,560 Speaker 3: in eight years. They're competitive, and for me, it's like, 465 00:27:17,720 --> 00:27:20,399 Speaker 3: oh cool, Like I have a new thing that I 466 00:27:20,480 --> 00:27:24,520 Speaker 3: care about because I only am a nine hard baseball 467 00:27:24,560 --> 00:27:27,640 Speaker 3: fan when my hometown team's good, which if your Royals fan, 468 00:27:27,760 --> 00:27:30,359 Speaker 3: is about once every fifteen years. And so I go 469 00:27:30,520 --> 00:27:33,680 Speaker 3: long stretches where I only watch big game for the playoffs. 470 00:27:33,760 --> 00:27:36,280 Speaker 3: But it's fun to have something new. It's fun to 471 00:27:36,320 --> 00:27:38,359 Speaker 3: have a new thing to be into. And that's how 472 00:27:38,359 --> 00:27:39,560 Speaker 3: I feel about the WNBA. 473 00:27:41,040 --> 00:27:45,040 Speaker 1: Yeah, May through September. Now they play their championship in 474 00:27:45,080 --> 00:27:48,480 Speaker 1: football season. But I think I've told you this before. 475 00:27:48,520 --> 00:27:53,720 Speaker 1: I'm pretty selfish on that is that I literally know exactly. 476 00:27:53,440 --> 00:27:53,840 Speaker 2: When my. 477 00:27:56,160 --> 00:27:58,680 Speaker 1: Vacations are every year. I know I'm gonna work six 478 00:27:58,720 --> 00:28:01,200 Speaker 1: and a half months football, take a week off, come 479 00:28:01,240 --> 00:28:04,240 Speaker 1: back for March madness, NFL free agency, take a couple 480 00:28:04,200 --> 00:28:07,680 Speaker 1: of fridays off, do the NFL Draft, take another Friday off, 481 00:28:07,720 --> 00:28:11,119 Speaker 1: do like six to seven weeks of hard NBA, and 482 00:28:11,160 --> 00:28:15,119 Speaker 1: then I've got like two months, ten weeks of oh shit, yeah, 483 00:28:14,920 --> 00:28:19,359 Speaker 1: do a couple of vacations built in and there exactly right. Yeah, 484 00:28:19,400 --> 00:28:21,680 Speaker 1: And so it's like if I can get every day, 485 00:28:21,920 --> 00:28:26,680 Speaker 1: I mean today Jason mcinron Jason McIntyre Night Today spent 486 00:28:26,760 --> 00:28:30,400 Speaker 1: at least an hour on the WNBA, and. 487 00:28:30,320 --> 00:28:31,359 Speaker 2: It was a blast. 488 00:28:31,520 --> 00:28:34,719 Speaker 1: We had all sorts of good debates and I we 489 00:28:34,760 --> 00:28:36,439 Speaker 1: will you know when the show ends. We lovered to 490 00:28:36,440 --> 00:28:37,720 Speaker 1: get up and walk out at the same time. We 491 00:28:37,720 --> 00:28:40,200 Speaker 1: don't sit around at all, and he goes, he goes. Man. 492 00:28:40,200 --> 00:28:42,560 Speaker 1: We had some good debates and I'm like, that was 493 00:28:42,600 --> 00:28:46,120 Speaker 1: a great June show. Waiting for the NBA. I'm like, 494 00:28:46,200 --> 00:28:48,000 Speaker 1: that's as good as a June show is going to 495 00:28:48,080 --> 00:28:49,880 Speaker 1: get for three hours, and I'm like it was. There 496 00:28:49,920 --> 00:28:53,520 Speaker 1: were great debates. We talked stars and villains and rivals 497 00:28:53,560 --> 00:28:56,000 Speaker 1: and oh, I'm gonna scheduling business. 498 00:28:56,040 --> 00:29:00,480 Speaker 3: Can I ask you a question about villains? So I 499 00:29:00,560 --> 00:29:04,840 Speaker 3: said this on the podcast I do with my son 500 00:29:04,920 --> 00:29:10,000 Speaker 3: this morning, which was it was in the context of 501 00:29:10,040 --> 00:29:13,320 Speaker 3: Angel Rees saying, you know, I'll be the villain. Yeah, 502 00:29:13,320 --> 00:29:17,280 Speaker 3: And my take was, and maybe you can think of 503 00:29:17,320 --> 00:29:24,239 Speaker 3: someone no one actually enjoys being the permanent villain, with 504 00:29:24,560 --> 00:29:27,320 Speaker 3: maybe one exception that I'll give you. So Lebron tried 505 00:29:27,360 --> 00:29:31,240 Speaker 3: it on, didn't fit him. Dylan Brooks literally said Dylan 506 00:29:31,280 --> 00:29:34,680 Speaker 3: the villain, and then two weeks later was like why 507 00:29:34,720 --> 00:29:37,800 Speaker 3: is everyone calling me a villain? Patrick Beverly pretends he 508 00:29:37,880 --> 00:29:40,640 Speaker 3: wants to be the villain, but then comes down and like, oh, 509 00:29:40,720 --> 00:29:42,840 Speaker 3: that lady in the crowd said something really mean to me. 510 00:29:43,600 --> 00:29:47,360 Speaker 3: Draymond kind of is okay with it. But also I 511 00:29:47,440 --> 00:29:51,320 Speaker 3: think Draymond wants to be liked, and I don't think 512 00:29:51,360 --> 00:29:54,760 Speaker 3: he wants to be He doesn't mind being the enforcer, 513 00:29:55,000 --> 00:29:58,640 Speaker 3: but the villain is different. I don't think there are 514 00:29:59,000 --> 00:30:03,800 Speaker 3: in today's in f real you know villains. So the guy, 515 00:30:03,960 --> 00:30:07,160 Speaker 3: the only one I came up with currently is I 516 00:30:07,200 --> 00:30:12,160 Speaker 3: do think Luca enjoys playing on the road more than 517 00:30:12,200 --> 00:30:14,720 Speaker 3: at home and mfing the crowd and all of it. 518 00:30:15,240 --> 00:30:22,440 Speaker 3: But I don't think it is sustainable long term to 519 00:30:22,720 --> 00:30:25,560 Speaker 3: permanently be the villain. People might say, Reggie Miller, that 520 00:30:25,640 --> 00:30:29,000 Speaker 3: was for one so that was for one arena. Then 521 00:30:29,200 --> 00:30:32,800 Speaker 3: you know MSG. And it should be noted that Reggie 522 00:30:32,880 --> 00:30:37,520 Speaker 3: Miller was six and twelve in his career in the 523 00:30:37,560 --> 00:30:42,200 Speaker 3: playoffs in MSG. It was the worst in the He 524 00:30:42,240 --> 00:30:46,880 Speaker 3: had the worst record in MSG home road versus any 525 00:30:47,160 --> 00:30:50,240 Speaker 3: arena he played in his whole career more than five times. 526 00:30:50,520 --> 00:30:52,720 Speaker 3: So even though he liked said he liked being the villain. 527 00:30:52,840 --> 00:30:56,440 Speaker 3: It didn't actually, you know translate. I don't think it's 528 00:30:56,480 --> 00:31:00,560 Speaker 3: sustainable to permanently be the villain in sport. I don't 529 00:31:00,560 --> 00:31:02,280 Speaker 3: know if you agree, but that's what I thought of 530 00:31:02,280 --> 00:31:04,360 Speaker 3: when Angel said I'll do it. I think she can 531 00:31:04,400 --> 00:31:06,280 Speaker 3: do it for now. I don't think you can do 532 00:31:06,320 --> 00:31:07,120 Speaker 3: it permanently. 533 00:31:08,960 --> 00:31:12,840 Speaker 1: Yeah. I tend to believe as a performer, I am 534 00:31:12,840 --> 00:31:16,480 Speaker 1: at my best when I'm neutral, So I don't like 535 00:31:16,600 --> 00:31:19,520 Speaker 1: to be elevated, nor do I like to be the villain. 536 00:31:19,960 --> 00:31:23,000 Speaker 1: I feel like every day i'm going on, I'm walking 537 00:31:23,040 --> 00:31:25,600 Speaker 1: onto a stage and I'm performing for the audience, and 538 00:31:25,840 --> 00:31:28,360 Speaker 1: inside of a big studio, I'm performing for a camera 539 00:31:28,400 --> 00:31:32,920 Speaker 1: in Jason McIntyre, and I think I'm best performing neutral 540 00:31:33,680 --> 00:31:36,600 Speaker 1: is that I have strong opinions the audience. Is it 541 00:31:36,760 --> 00:31:39,640 Speaker 1: for it or against it? There have been times I've 542 00:31:39,640 --> 00:31:44,200 Speaker 1: been popular and unpopular. But I think for a performer neutral, 543 00:31:44,400 --> 00:31:47,840 Speaker 1: I mean, Jerry Seinfeld could handle a heckler, but that's 544 00:31:47,840 --> 00:31:50,320 Speaker 1: not what he would ask for. He could also ask 545 00:31:50,320 --> 00:31:53,400 Speaker 1: for a ten minute standing ovation, but that would get tedious. 546 00:31:53,680 --> 00:31:55,880 Speaker 1: Jerry's at his best when he has to earn the 547 00:31:55,960 --> 00:31:59,800 Speaker 1: approval and get the laughs regardless off at Caesar's Palace 548 00:31:59,920 --> 00:32:03,080 Speaker 1: or the laugh Factory in Taledo, Ohio. So I think 549 00:32:03,120 --> 00:32:06,520 Speaker 1: I think all athletes because I almost feel like it's 550 00:32:06,520 --> 00:32:10,719 Speaker 1: being it's a car racer is. I want my my 551 00:32:11,400 --> 00:32:17,000 Speaker 1: heartbeat to never fluctuate corners, flats, finish, beginning. It stays 552 00:32:17,040 --> 00:32:20,240 Speaker 1: the same, so my adrenaline doesn't change radically. 553 00:32:20,320 --> 00:32:21,680 Speaker 2: I don't make more. 554 00:32:21,480 --> 00:32:25,800 Speaker 1: Emotional moves or more urgent moves, So I I largely 555 00:32:25,840 --> 00:32:28,000 Speaker 1: agree with you. I think everybody likes to be liked 556 00:32:28,000 --> 00:32:32,840 Speaker 1: at some point. But I also think people sometimes understand 557 00:32:32,840 --> 00:32:37,000 Speaker 1: their roles. As a dad, I understand sometimes my voice 558 00:32:37,040 --> 00:32:39,800 Speaker 1: is deeper. Sometimes if I say, hey, knock it off, 559 00:32:40,280 --> 00:32:42,760 Speaker 1: it plays better in the room than if my wife 560 00:32:42,800 --> 00:32:45,320 Speaker 1: would sit like I have a more a deeper. 561 00:32:45,040 --> 00:32:45,680 Speaker 2: Richer voice. 562 00:32:45,720 --> 00:32:47,960 Speaker 1: So I think there are roles I have played from 563 00:32:48,000 --> 00:32:50,880 Speaker 1: time to time to be the heavy in the family and. 564 00:32:50,880 --> 00:32:52,080 Speaker 2: Just say cut that shit out. 565 00:32:53,120 --> 00:32:53,840 Speaker 3: But doing it. 566 00:32:53,880 --> 00:32:54,560 Speaker 2: I also like to. 567 00:32:55,160 --> 00:32:59,920 Speaker 3: Be permanently that in any phase eye thing is just tough. 568 00:33:00,400 --> 00:33:02,960 Speaker 3: I think it wears on you and I'm and maybe 569 00:33:03,000 --> 00:33:06,720 Speaker 3: I am. Maybe there is an obvious athlete that I'm 570 00:33:06,960 --> 00:33:09,800 Speaker 3: just People in the comments section will tell me if 571 00:33:09,800 --> 00:33:13,840 Speaker 3: I'm forgetting one. But I can't think of an in 572 00:33:14,080 --> 00:33:20,600 Speaker 3: modern maybe again in yesteryear, but in modern America, if 573 00:33:20,640 --> 00:33:24,560 Speaker 3: you will, I can't think of an athlete that has 574 00:33:24,680 --> 00:33:31,960 Speaker 3: successfully been just perma villain any place, anywhere, for you know, 575 00:33:32,040 --> 00:33:36,160 Speaker 3: more than a season. Again. Lebron, who I think is 576 00:33:36,200 --> 00:33:40,240 Speaker 3: as mentally tough the Dallas series in twenty eleven, notwithstanding 577 00:33:40,520 --> 00:33:43,680 Speaker 3: of any athlete we've ever seen, tried that hat on 578 00:33:43,840 --> 00:33:47,560 Speaker 3: for a year and that then led to the Dallas 579 00:33:47,600 --> 00:33:50,760 Speaker 3: Series and he hated it like it wore him down 580 00:33:50,800 --> 00:33:53,880 Speaker 3: so much he had the only true failure of his career. 581 00:33:53,960 --> 00:33:56,880 Speaker 3: I just don't think that's a healthy spot to be. 582 00:34:00,080 --> 00:34:02,960 Speaker 1: The volume. Thanks for listening to part one of the 583 00:34:02,960 --> 00:34:04,040 Speaker 1: conversations with Nick. 584 00:34:04,080 --> 00:34:05,840 Speaker 2: Don't forget to check back for part two.