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Speaker 1: And now move the sticks with Daniel Jeremiah and Bucky Brooks.

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Speaker 1: What's up, everybody? Welcome to move the sticks, DJ, Bucky

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Speaker 1: back with you, Bock. How you doing man, man?

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Speaker 2: I am good, I am refreshed, and I am looking

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Speaker 2: towards the countdown clock because training camp is just around

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Speaker 2: the corner.

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Speaker 1: Yeah when when does? When's first high school practice? By

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Speaker 1: the way, we're not that far away.

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Speaker 2: July twenty four, Like it's just like it's just like

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Speaker 2: NFL training camp July twenty fourth, first scrimmages August eleventh,

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Speaker 2: and so, I mean it's all it happens, like DJ

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Speaker 2: we talked about once you pass the fourth of July,

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Speaker 2: like it is, you're in the car downhill like you're going.

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Speaker 2: And so it's funny. I get my assignments for whatever,

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Speaker 1: I was doing okay for the opening one, okay, yeah, yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 2: Oh that's cool. You get a chance to see the

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Speaker 2: And so it's funny. I'll hit you with this real

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Speaker 2: quick because I was on radio this weekend and my

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Speaker 2: hading into training camp. I was like, man, you just

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Speaker 2: do anything crazy. DJ I'm not gonna lie. It makes

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Speaker 1: You heard You've heard like how you could have endorsed

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Speaker 2: It would be beneficial, And man, I wish I had

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Speaker 2: brought this up before when we were planning the podcast.

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Speaker 2: I don't know if you saw the article in Sports

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Speaker 2: Buck, they were all drafted high maybe except for Derek

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Speaker 1: All those guys opening days starting quarterbacks last year for

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Speaker 1: Oh, it is a good It's a really good point

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Speaker 2: we're not picking up the options. You're gonna have to

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Speaker 2: play for it. You're gonna have to do this. You

432
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Speaker 2: also have a hungry player on the other side. In

433
00:20:01,480 --> 00:20:04,360
Speaker 2: Monte's sweat, they paid Jonathan Allen, they paid de Ron

434
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Speaker 2: Payin right there, DJ, We're talking about four first round

435
00:20:06,840 --> 00:20:09,520
Speaker 2: picks the line to be able to dominate, and we've

436
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Speaker 2: seen them dominate at times. A lot of it comes

437
00:20:13,040 --> 00:20:17,439
Speaker 2: down to, I would say Sam Howell being able to

438
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Speaker 2: take care of the ball. I don't need Sam Howell

439
00:20:19,359 --> 00:20:21,119
Speaker 2: to be a hero. I don't need Sam Howell to

440
00:20:21,160 --> 00:20:22,239
Speaker 2: go out there and say, hey, I got to put

441
00:20:22,240 --> 00:20:24,640
Speaker 2: it all on my shoulders and do it. I need

442
00:20:24,680 --> 00:20:26,359
Speaker 2: Sam Howell to go out there and not mess it

443
00:20:26,440 --> 00:20:30,120
Speaker 2: up the other thing. And I still worry about this part.

444
00:20:30,520 --> 00:20:33,720
Speaker 2: For the Commanders, I wish they could run the ball.

445
00:20:33,840 --> 00:20:37,600
Speaker 2: I wish they had a marquee running back like Brian Robinson.

446
00:20:38,160 --> 00:20:40,360
Speaker 2: He's trying. Antonio Gibson has been kind of up and down.

447
00:20:40,800 --> 00:20:45,000
Speaker 2: I wish they had an established runner. To me, Dalvin

448
00:20:45,040 --> 00:20:48,920
Speaker 2: Cook in that uniform changes how you have to play

449
00:20:48,960 --> 00:20:51,320
Speaker 2: their defense, how you have to play their offense, and

450
00:20:51,359 --> 00:20:54,520
Speaker 2: it opens up the field for mclauren and those playmakers

451
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Speaker 2: on the outside. That would be the team that if

452
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Speaker 2: I could give them a a marquee player, I would

453
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Speaker 2: give them Devin Cook in that situation because if he's there,

454
00:21:05,800 --> 00:21:07,840
Speaker 2: it changes everything. Yeah.

455
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Speaker 1: No, that's a fair point. And think about that coaching

456
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Speaker 1: staff that you know very well, if you go back

457
00:21:12,640 --> 00:21:15,000
Speaker 1: in their track record all the way back to your

458
00:21:15,080 --> 00:21:17,879
Speaker 1: days connected with them, they value the run game. So

459
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Speaker 1: there is a belief in a value system there when

460
00:21:20,760 --> 00:21:22,240
Speaker 1: it comes to running backs. That's what It wouldn't shock

461
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Speaker 1: me if that's ultimately where he ended up going.

462
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Speaker 2: Yeah. Now, if they can run the football, and even

463
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Speaker 2: with bronson't played, he played fine last year, But I'm

464
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Speaker 2: just saying it just changes when you see a marquee

465
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Speaker 2: player in the back. From a defensive coordinator standpoint, even

466
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Speaker 2: if he's not what he once was, you still have

467
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Speaker 2: to ay, man, we might have to drop somebody into

468
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Speaker 2: the boss. We've got to be prepared. We may have

469
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Speaker 2: to go some one on ones and do those things.

470
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Speaker 2: But if the Commanders are able to run the football

471
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Speaker 2: and not have to put it on Sam Howell, yeah,

472
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Speaker 2: they can win some of these grudge matches, some of

473
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Speaker 2: these low scoring affairs and find their way into the postseason.

474
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Speaker 1: And I'm excited to see Sam how I'm excited to

475
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Speaker 1: see what he looks like. I think he's going to

476
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Speaker 1: be a little bit better than people anticipate. So those

477
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Speaker 1: are our five least type teams. Give you a shot there.

478
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Speaker 1: One of the other discussions I wanted to hit on,

479
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Speaker 1: which is interesting for me from my standpoint, because I'm

480
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Speaker 1: going to mention another team here that we just talked

481
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Speaker 1: about briefly last to first. I mean, the division has

482
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Speaker 1: been the NFC South, where it's all clumped up. I

483
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Speaker 1: don't think there was a team with a positive point

484
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Speaker 1: differential in that division last year. Talked about the Bucks

485
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Speaker 1: winning at eight to nine, Atlanta was in last place

486
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Speaker 1: in that division of all the last to first potential leaps.

487
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Speaker 1: It seems to me that's the shortest distance to travel

488
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Speaker 1: for the Atlanta Falcons to somehow manage to win that division.

489
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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's already there for him. It's funny though, you

490
00:22:41,920 --> 00:22:43,679
Speaker 2: look at all the pieces that they have in place.

491
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Speaker 2: You're kind of hanging your hat on Desmon rid of

492
00:22:48,480 --> 00:22:51,920
Speaker 2: being someone that can take the leap. They played four

493
00:22:51,960 --> 00:22:55,679
Speaker 2: games last year. He was okay, can he be someone

494
00:22:55,720 --> 00:22:58,639
Speaker 2: that raises his game up the notes because there's a

495
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Speaker 2: difference between being a man Janet caretake and being a playmaker.

496
00:23:02,280 --> 00:23:04,480
Speaker 2: They will need him to be more of a playmaker

497
00:23:04,520 --> 00:23:07,119
Speaker 2: based on their personnel. The personnel on the outside. You

498
00:23:07,160 --> 00:23:09,240
Speaker 2: got to get the ball of cow pits. You got

499
00:23:09,280 --> 00:23:12,720
Speaker 2: to get it to Drake London. Bijon comes over, Tell

500
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Speaker 2: that as you like, there are a lot of weapons

501
00:23:14,760 --> 00:23:17,080
Speaker 2: that need to touch the rock. Well, now it's on

502
00:23:17,320 --> 00:23:19,840
Speaker 2: Desmond Ritter to be able to be the distributor make

503
00:23:19,840 --> 00:23:22,160
Speaker 2: good decisions, make the plays that are there to be made,

504
00:23:22,160 --> 00:23:24,719
Speaker 2: because that is up whenly what this as contest? Can

505
00:23:24,760 --> 00:23:27,400
Speaker 2: your quarterback make enough plays in the clutch to win

506
00:23:28,440 --> 00:23:31,200
Speaker 2: if he plays well. Yeah, the Atlanta Falcons can absolutely

507
00:23:31,240 --> 00:23:32,440
Speaker 2: make that move from worse to first.

508
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Speaker 1: Yeah, that to me seems to be the division that

509
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Speaker 1: that is up for grabs in terms of making that

510
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Speaker 1: that leap. Last thing, Buck, I want to hit you

511
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Speaker 1: on here, and we're gonna have a little bit of

512
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Speaker 1: an abbreviated episode today, but NFC North and this is

513
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Speaker 1: not just to play Kate and a Bill here. But

514
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Speaker 1: I know you've done some work on this division and

515
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Speaker 1: how you see it looking as we head into the fall.

516
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Speaker 1: I have not seen what you wrote, so I've jotted

517
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Speaker 1: down the order. This is so early, but the order

518
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Speaker 1: I think this thing ends up finishing up. I'm curious

519
00:24:03,040 --> 00:24:04,720
Speaker 1: to see how how far apart we are. What do

520
00:24:04,760 --> 00:24:05,040
Speaker 1: you got?

521
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Speaker 2: Okay, So in this I feel like there's been this

522
00:24:08,080 --> 00:24:11,000
Speaker 2: black cloud over Green Bay because they lose Aaron Rodgers

523
00:24:11,000 --> 00:24:13,680
Speaker 2: and everyone's like, oh my god, what are they gonna do? Yeah,

524
00:24:13,760 --> 00:24:16,159
Speaker 2: Jordan Love is not Aaron Rodgers. But this is a

525
00:24:16,200 --> 00:24:18,800
Speaker 2: really good Packers team. I mean you look at their

526
00:24:18,800 --> 00:24:21,080
Speaker 2: personnel and I know people take them to task for

527
00:24:21,160 --> 00:24:24,359
Speaker 2: not expending first round picks on offensive skill players, but

528
00:24:24,359 --> 00:24:26,680
Speaker 2: they spend a lot of first round picks on defensive players.

529
00:24:26,960 --> 00:24:29,480
Speaker 2: You go back. I think in there they'll try maybe

530
00:24:29,680 --> 00:24:32,840
Speaker 2: eight first round picks on the defensive side of the ball,

531
00:24:32,880 --> 00:24:35,760
Speaker 2: like DJ. So in my mind, when the Packers head

532
00:24:35,760 --> 00:24:38,879
Speaker 2: into this season, Matt Lafloor has to acknowledge that this

533
00:24:38,920 --> 00:24:41,000
Speaker 2: team is different than the previous teams that he coached.

534
00:24:41,520 --> 00:24:45,440
Speaker 2: He can lean into playing more conflimentary football, more situational

535
00:24:45,440 --> 00:24:47,879
Speaker 2: football where maybe the defense leads the way. So a

536
00:24:47,880 --> 00:24:49,919
Speaker 2: lot of persons on Joe Berry to make sure this

537
00:24:50,000 --> 00:24:53,080
Speaker 2: defense plays well. But DJ, they run the football. They

538
00:24:53,080 --> 00:24:55,639
Speaker 2: got young pieces in Christian Watson and those things, and

539
00:24:55,720 --> 00:24:57,080
Speaker 2: Jordan Love just got to hit the layup.

540
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Speaker 1: He makes the plays.

541
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Speaker 2: I believe this team can win the Vision all over again,

542
00:25:01,560 --> 00:25:04,480
Speaker 2: because as much as I love what Detroit has done,

543
00:25:04,880 --> 00:25:07,880
Speaker 2: I still have questions about their defense. Minnesota had a

544
00:25:07,880 --> 00:25:11,280
Speaker 2: ton of turnover whereas like Justin Jefferson and who else

545
00:25:11,800 --> 00:25:16,560
Speaker 2: on offense, and then with Chicago there's a lot of

546
00:25:16,560 --> 00:25:19,159
Speaker 2: buzz and excitement about Justin Fields, but at the end

547
00:25:19,160 --> 00:25:20,679
Speaker 2: of the day, he's going to have to throw it

548
00:25:20,760 --> 00:25:24,080
Speaker 2: well enough to get people out of the box. And

549
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Speaker 2: can he do that with the weapons that they have. Yes,

550
00:25:26,040 --> 00:25:29,240
Speaker 2: DJ Moore is Derek clay Chase Claypool. But can they

551
00:25:29,320 --> 00:25:31,919
Speaker 2: do enough on offense? And really, I don't know if

552
00:25:31,920 --> 00:25:34,920
Speaker 2: they've had enough on defense. So to me, it's green

553
00:25:34,960 --> 00:25:37,600
Speaker 2: Bay and Detroit and then it's a gap and in

554
00:25:37,680 --> 00:25:40,400
Speaker 2: Minnesota and Chicago continues to bring up the rear.

555
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Speaker 1: All Right, it's interesting. I have a different order here,

556
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Speaker 1: But I want to piggyback on what you were talking

557
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Speaker 1: about with green Bay and ask you this question. Is

558
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Speaker 1: there a chance that green Bay is this year Seattle

559
00:25:51,880 --> 00:25:56,720
Speaker 1: where quarterback moves on? We assume the team that got

560
00:25:56,760 --> 00:26:00,440
Speaker 1: the Hall of Fame quarterback is gonna explode take off,

561
00:26:00,440 --> 00:26:03,000
Speaker 1: and we assume it's gonna be a nightmare scenario for

562
00:26:03,000 --> 00:26:04,760
Speaker 1: the team that just lost score. Is there a chance

563
00:26:05,359 --> 00:26:08,040
Speaker 1: that this green Bay team has a bunch of young

564
00:26:08,320 --> 00:26:10,760
Speaker 1: emerging players that we get excited about like we did

565
00:26:10,800 --> 00:26:11,840
Speaker 1: with Seattle last year.

566
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Speaker 2: Well, yeah, you can say this best attraction maybe because

567
00:26:15,080 --> 00:26:16,960
Speaker 2: Aaron Rodgers is doing stuff in New York that he

568
00:26:17,000 --> 00:26:19,879
Speaker 2: didn't do with Green Bay. He's really invested in the

569
00:26:19,960 --> 00:26:22,680
Speaker 2: young guys in New York. You've seen him be around

570
00:26:22,720 --> 00:26:24,520
Speaker 2: and you've seen him taking the games. He's done all

571
00:26:24,520 --> 00:26:26,439
Speaker 2: of the good stuff in New York. He didn't do

572
00:26:26,440 --> 00:26:28,920
Speaker 2: that last year with Christian Watson and those guys. Well,

573
00:26:28,960 --> 00:26:32,040
Speaker 2: now what happens is you have Jordan Love, who probably

574
00:26:32,040 --> 00:26:35,000
Speaker 2: had to throw to those guys last offseason, had to

575
00:26:35,040 --> 00:26:37,320
Speaker 2: work with them some on scout team and those things.

576
00:26:37,480 --> 00:26:40,159
Speaker 2: There may be a better synergy and connection between Jordan

577
00:26:40,200 --> 00:26:43,600
Speaker 2: Love and the young playmakers and pass catches on the perimeter.

578
00:26:44,080 --> 00:26:47,879
Speaker 2: That right there is gonna bode well for Matt Lafleur. Really,

579
00:26:47,880 --> 00:26:50,399
Speaker 2: the key to me, it's not even a quarterback. The

580
00:26:50,480 --> 00:26:53,760
Speaker 2: key to the pack of success is Matt Lafleur. How

581
00:26:53,760 --> 00:26:56,240
Speaker 2: does Matt Lafleur handle Okay, I don't have a four

582
00:26:56,280 --> 00:26:59,600
Speaker 2: time MVP. Does he have the ability to flip his

583
00:26:59,720 --> 00:27:02,639
Speaker 2: mind in terms of the way that he plays, Because

584
00:27:02,680 --> 00:27:06,000
Speaker 2: great coaches they can look, they can hit you with

585
00:27:06,040 --> 00:27:09,359
Speaker 2: a few different styles. Does Matt Lafleur have the capacity

586
00:27:09,400 --> 00:27:12,840
Speaker 2: to change his offensive approach based on what he has

587
00:27:12,880 --> 00:27:15,800
Speaker 2: to compliment what should be a defense that is much

588
00:27:15,800 --> 00:27:17,359
Speaker 2: better than their offense this year.

589
00:27:19,320 --> 00:27:21,000
Speaker 1: No, it's going to be a lot of pressure on him.

590
00:27:21,000 --> 00:27:22,399
Speaker 1: It's going to be different for him, for sure, But

591
00:27:22,440 --> 00:27:24,159
Speaker 1: I think in some ways it might be invigorating a

592
00:27:24,200 --> 00:27:25,520
Speaker 1: little bit. Getting should be.

593
00:27:26,560 --> 00:27:28,879
Speaker 2: It should be, it should be, it should be if

594
00:27:28,920 --> 00:27:31,040
Speaker 2: we're if we're all aligned, because you know this, DJ,

595
00:27:31,160 --> 00:27:34,119
Speaker 2: if I'm your coach, you're the general manager. When we

596
00:27:34,160 --> 00:27:36,320
Speaker 2: made the pick for Jordan Love, we should have been

597
00:27:36,320 --> 00:27:39,040
Speaker 2: aligned anyway, because you've run it past me. Hey, what

598
00:27:39,040 --> 00:27:40,280
Speaker 2: do you think? Oh, I can work with him, to

599
00:27:40,320 --> 00:27:42,239
Speaker 2: say okay, that's time to work with him. And so

600
00:27:42,760 --> 00:27:44,840
Speaker 2: my only thing with Matt Lafloor in the past is

601
00:27:45,320 --> 00:27:49,200
Speaker 2: he was so hanging to clinging to Aaron Rodgers and

602
00:27:49,200 --> 00:27:52,159
Speaker 2: I understand it rightfully, So four time MVP. But you

603
00:27:52,240 --> 00:27:53,800
Speaker 2: still got to build up the young guy because at

604
00:27:53,840 --> 00:27:56,720
Speaker 2: some point we knew this was going to come to pass.

605
00:27:57,160 --> 00:27:59,040
Speaker 2: Jordan Love was going to be the quarterback of the

606
00:27:59,040 --> 00:28:01,640
Speaker 2: green Bay package. And so have they done enough? Has

607
00:28:01,640 --> 00:28:04,879
Speaker 2: Matt Lafleur done enough to build him up to get

608
00:28:04,960 --> 00:28:06,880
Speaker 2: him ready to play winning football in Greenback?

609
00:28:07,440 --> 00:28:10,200
Speaker 1: Yeah? Well we're gonna find out. I want to mention

610
00:28:10,240 --> 00:28:11,920
Speaker 1: a couple of these rookies here for them. By the way,

611
00:28:12,400 --> 00:28:15,520
Speaker 1: Lucas Vans first round pick. Another defensive player to throw

612
00:28:15,520 --> 00:28:17,320
Speaker 1: in the mix. Luke Muskgrave, one of the most athletic

613
00:28:17,359 --> 00:28:19,480
Speaker 1: tight ends we've seen coming to the league the last

614
00:28:19,480 --> 00:28:21,800
Speaker 1: few years. Jayden Reid, who gives them some speed at

615
00:28:21,800 --> 00:28:24,080
Speaker 1: the receiver position to compliment some young speed that they

616
00:28:24,080 --> 00:28:27,280
Speaker 1: already had, as well as some return value. Tucker Craft

617
00:28:27,280 --> 00:28:29,960
Speaker 1: another tight end like kind of looking through their draft class,

618
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Speaker 1: and I'm trying to say, okay, that they have the

619
00:28:32,240 --> 00:28:36,199
Speaker 1: capability of doing what we saw Seattle do. Now, obviously,

620
00:28:36,280 --> 00:28:38,440
Speaker 1: the base of this roster is in better shape than

621
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Speaker 1: the base of Seattle's roster was. Seattle had to rely

622
00:28:41,240 --> 00:28:42,600
Speaker 1: on a lot more of those young guys. I think

623
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Speaker 1: they have a little more of a stable roster there

624
00:28:45,240 --> 00:28:47,760
Speaker 1: in Green Bay. But some of those names I just mentioned,

625
00:28:47,760 --> 00:28:49,640
Speaker 1: they're gonna have to be key contributors as well for

626
00:28:49,680 --> 00:28:52,960
Speaker 1: this Green Bay team to exceed what the expectations are. Yeah.

627
00:28:53,000 --> 00:28:54,600
Speaker 2: No, they're gonna have to be key contributors. They have

628
00:28:54,640 --> 00:28:57,240
Speaker 2: to be able to hit the ground run. And I'll

629
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Speaker 2: be honest with you, man, if I'm the head coach

630
00:29:00,400 --> 00:29:02,840
Speaker 2: for the Packers, I'm henery and I am on the defense.

631
00:29:02,880 --> 00:29:04,959
Speaker 2: At every turn, I'm own Joe Berry. I'm nipping at

632
00:29:04,960 --> 00:29:07,080
Speaker 2: his heels. I'm trying to let him know, a man,

633
00:29:07,120 --> 00:29:09,960
Speaker 2: the pressure is on, because guys, we need the defense

634
00:29:10,520 --> 00:29:13,160
Speaker 2: to be the best unit on the team. The defense

635
00:29:13,320 --> 00:29:16,080
Speaker 2: has to be at the forefront. The offense is going

636
00:29:16,120 --> 00:29:19,040
Speaker 2: to be the contiment. It hasn't been like that, I

637
00:29:19,080 --> 00:29:22,440
Speaker 2: mean for a decade, maybe two decades in Green Bay.

638
00:29:22,840 --> 00:29:25,600
Speaker 2: Can they flip and become more of a defensive centric

639
00:29:25,760 --> 00:29:29,479
Speaker 2: team whereas defense running game then Jordan Love as opposed

640
00:29:29,480 --> 00:29:33,000
Speaker 2: to being quarterback, explosive offense and old defense. Get a

641
00:29:33,000 --> 00:29:36,760
Speaker 2: few takeaways and that's how we win. It's a completely shipped,

642
00:29:36,840 --> 00:29:38,880
Speaker 2: complete shift, and so a lot of pressure on Matt Lafour,

643
00:29:39,080 --> 00:29:41,000
Speaker 2: but a ton of pressure on the defense and Joe Berry.

644
00:29:41,800 --> 00:29:44,400
Speaker 1: You are a little more optimistic on them than I am.

645
00:29:44,800 --> 00:29:47,160
Speaker 1: When I just jotted this down. I actually picked Detroit.

646
00:29:47,560 --> 00:29:49,240
Speaker 1: I just think Detroit and you talk about the defense

647
00:29:49,280 --> 00:29:51,680
Speaker 1: and the holes. The defense got better, and you talked

648
00:29:51,680 --> 00:29:53,719
Speaker 1: about on the pod how they figured things out, they

649
00:29:53,800 --> 00:29:56,400
Speaker 1: changed how they played, They got better as the season

650
00:29:56,440 --> 00:29:58,800
Speaker 1: went along. They added some nice veteran pieces into that

651
00:29:58,880 --> 00:30:01,240
Speaker 1: mix as well. A young guys going to year two,

652
00:30:01,240 --> 00:30:03,120
Speaker 1: I think take a leap. They were already good his

653
00:30:03,160 --> 00:30:05,320
Speaker 1: first year players. I think they get even better. And

654
00:30:05,400 --> 00:30:07,440
Speaker 1: your number two, I like the continuity at quarterback and

655
00:30:07,440 --> 00:30:09,200
Speaker 1: play color on the offensive side of the ball. So

656
00:30:09,560 --> 00:30:13,120
Speaker 1: I'm in on Detroit. I have Minnesota second just because

657
00:30:13,160 --> 00:30:15,720
Speaker 1: of you know, Kirk Cousins. I just know more what

658
00:30:15,840 --> 00:30:17,640
Speaker 1: I have there, for better or for worse. I know

659
00:30:17,720 --> 00:30:20,320
Speaker 1: what I have with Kirk, whereas with Jordan Love it's

660
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Speaker 1: a TVD. So I had Detroit, Minnesota Green based Chicago.

661
00:30:23,360 --> 00:30:26,120
Speaker 1: The one thing I feel like, you know, I'm hopeful

662
00:30:26,120 --> 00:30:27,960
Speaker 1: for Chicago that they're going to get things going. They

663
00:30:28,000 --> 00:30:30,760
Speaker 1: still feel like that's clearly the fourth team in this division.

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Speaker 2: Uh, to me, is clear and apparent. I'll say this

665
00:30:33,800 --> 00:30:38,960
Speaker 2: about Minnesota if I'm optimistic about them, I'm optimistic because

666
00:30:38,960 --> 00:30:40,840
Speaker 2: Brian floor is and what they're gonna do on defense,

667
00:30:42,360 --> 00:30:44,280
Speaker 2: he is going to heat him up. We saw how

668
00:30:44,640 --> 00:30:47,320
Speaker 2: he was able to do it in Miami, and if

669
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Speaker 2: he is able to make sure that his guys in

670
00:30:50,080 --> 00:30:51,600
Speaker 2: the back end don't allow the ball to fly over

671
00:30:51,720 --> 00:30:53,520
Speaker 2: the top of the defense man, he's going to give

672
00:30:53,560 --> 00:30:57,400
Speaker 2: people problems. But it covers zero bluff and blitzed stuff

673
00:30:57,440 --> 00:31:01,120
Speaker 2: that he was doing. And talking to him at the combine,

674
00:31:01,720 --> 00:31:03,920
Speaker 2: he's like, man, there are already two steps beyond. When

675
00:31:03,960 --> 00:31:06,880
Speaker 2: everyone was catching up with their old stuff, they got

676
00:31:06,920 --> 00:31:09,360
Speaker 2: some more tricks, and so I can't wait to see

677
00:31:09,400 --> 00:31:12,480
Speaker 2: him unveil those tricks. Also with Brian Floyd's what did

678
00:31:12,480 --> 00:31:14,680
Speaker 2: he learn from his time with the Pittsburgh Stillers.

679
00:31:14,760 --> 00:31:17,040
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's a different, different defense than what he'd run.

680
00:31:17,640 --> 00:31:20,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, so not only different defense, but what did he

681
00:31:20,240 --> 00:31:23,040
Speaker 2: learn from Mike Tomlin in terms of a man, no excuse,

682
00:31:23,040 --> 00:31:25,440
Speaker 2: you give me whatever I got, I'll figure out how

683
00:31:25,440 --> 00:31:27,480
Speaker 2: to win with it. I think there is something to

684
00:31:27,520 --> 00:31:29,760
Speaker 2: being around someone who's been able to kind of take

685
00:31:30,480 --> 00:31:34,440
Speaker 2: lesser parts and figure out what can Brian Floyes do

686
00:31:34,600 --> 00:31:37,040
Speaker 2: with Look, man, he's hamstrung in a few different areas.

687
00:31:37,080 --> 00:31:40,200
Speaker 2: Can he make them better with tactics and scheme as

688
00:31:40,240 --> 00:31:42,760
Speaker 2: opposed to just the talent that he has in front

689
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Speaker 2: of him.

690
00:31:43,440 --> 00:31:45,600
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's going to be interesting division. And you look

691
00:31:45,640 --> 00:31:47,080
Speaker 1: at what they do on the defensive side of the

692
00:31:47,120 --> 00:31:49,240
Speaker 1: ball as well as you know, can this offense take

693
00:31:49,280 --> 00:31:52,080
Speaker 1: another step? A nice job there, Kevin O'Connell last year.

694
00:31:52,120 --> 00:31:54,520
Speaker 1: Can they continue to progress and move forward? That'll be

695
00:31:54,520 --> 00:31:58,320
Speaker 1: interesting to see there. With the Minnesota Vikings. Our next

696
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Speaker 1: episode Buck coming up later this week. We are going

697
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Speaker 1: to do a Q and A, So we're gonna open

698
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Speaker 1: up to you guys, if you're listening to this pod.

699
00:32:05,720 --> 00:32:07,240
Speaker 1: By the way, you have a couple of ways to

700
00:32:07,240 --> 00:32:09,520
Speaker 1: get these questions, and you can go on Twitter and

701
00:32:09,560 --> 00:32:12,200
Speaker 1: you can hit up me or Bucky with a question.

702
00:32:12,360 --> 00:32:14,720
Speaker 1: The Bill is going to go through those feeds and

703
00:32:14,760 --> 00:32:17,280
Speaker 1: try and pull some questions off there, or you can

704
00:32:17,320 --> 00:32:22,480
Speaker 1: always go on the Apple Podcasts Review Session section. I

705
00:32:22,480 --> 00:32:24,920
Speaker 1: should say, leave us a little note on there, something

706
00:32:24,960 --> 00:32:27,080
Speaker 1: about the pod, you like, something you want to see

707
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Speaker 1: us do. If you have a question, drop the question

708
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Speaker 1: in there. Leave us a rating review. We appreciate those

709
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Speaker 1: as well. We'll be periodically checking on those, so if

710
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Speaker 1: we don't get it this time, we'll get it as

711
00:32:34,960 --> 00:32:36,760
Speaker 1: we go forward. But a little Q and A. I thought,

712
00:32:36,920 --> 00:32:38,520
Speaker 1: you know, let's open this up. We get a lot

713
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Speaker 1: of comments on the episodes. We're doing a lot of

714
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Speaker 1: comments on the videos to get posted. But I thought

715
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Speaker 1: this would be an opportunity for us to let's let's

716
00:32:45,040 --> 00:32:46,479
Speaker 1: put the ears out there a little bit. Let's open

717
00:32:46,520 --> 00:32:47,800
Speaker 1: our ears a little bit and see if we can't

718
00:32:47,960 --> 00:32:49,000
Speaker 1: get some questions answered.

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Speaker 2: No, no, no, I like that. Do we need a hashtag?

720
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Speaker 2: Do the need to hashtag?

721
00:32:53,720 --> 00:32:57,640
Speaker 1: Mts I think hashtag ask mts is an easy one

722
00:32:57,680 --> 00:33:00,160
Speaker 1: to do. Uh, so we can we can do and

723
00:33:00,160 --> 00:33:01,479
Speaker 1: we'll tweet it out as well. Both of us will

724
00:33:01,480 --> 00:33:04,760
Speaker 1: tweet it out hashtag ask MTS and we'll.

725
00:33:04,360 --> 00:33:05,960
Speaker 2: Get network so that way we can just see it,

726
00:33:06,000 --> 00:33:07,880
Speaker 2: make sure it falls up in our feed. But yeah,

727
00:33:07,880 --> 00:33:11,040
Speaker 2: give us good questions. Part of what we love doing is, man,

728
00:33:11,080 --> 00:33:13,520
Speaker 2: we love kind of like teaching ball and teaching from

729
00:33:13,760 --> 00:33:17,280
Speaker 2: our perspective, in our experiences. And so if you have

730
00:33:17,280 --> 00:33:19,840
Speaker 2: an opportunity to ask a question something that you always

731
00:33:19,840 --> 00:33:21,720
Speaker 2: wanted to know whatever, like, man, let's do it. Like,

732
00:33:21,800 --> 00:33:23,280
Speaker 2: let's have a little open and have a little fun

733
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Speaker 2: before the season starts.

734
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Speaker 1: I want to add one more thing here before we

735
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Speaker 1: get out of here, Buck, and I'll let you comment

736
00:33:27,560 --> 00:33:30,920
Speaker 1: on as well. Absolutely, I think it's something we should mention.

737
00:33:31,920 --> 00:33:35,600
Speaker 1: A good buddy of ours, Todd mcshae. YESPN has had

738
00:33:35,880 --> 00:33:38,280
Speaker 1: you know, they've been trim and pay rots. It's going

739
00:33:38,320 --> 00:33:40,480
Speaker 1: on all over the place in the media world right now,

740
00:33:40,520 --> 00:33:43,560
Speaker 1: and unfortunately our buddy Todd got caught up in that.

741
00:33:43,920 --> 00:33:45,800
Speaker 1: But Todd is somebody we've known for a long time.

742
00:33:45,840 --> 00:33:49,120
Speaker 1: We've had good relationship with Todd. Todd is somebody we like,

743
00:33:49,200 --> 00:33:52,240
Speaker 1: somebody that we really respect. I don't know, I don't

744
00:33:52,320 --> 00:33:56,880
Speaker 1: know what the all the contract stuff and that gets messy,

745
00:33:58,200 --> 00:33:59,680
Speaker 1: but I would love to have him on. I would

746
00:33:59,720 --> 00:34:02,280
Speaker 1: love to bring him on if we can, whenever we

747
00:34:02,320 --> 00:34:04,120
Speaker 1: can to have him on here. But more than anything else,

748
00:34:04,160 --> 00:34:08,600
Speaker 1: I just want to say, you know, it sucks, man.

749
00:34:08,600 --> 00:34:11,080
Speaker 1: He's a He's a great dude. He does a great job.

750
00:34:11,160 --> 00:34:13,839
Speaker 1: We are in the draft field, as you know, with

751
00:34:13,840 --> 00:34:15,560
Speaker 1: our background, we've been in this for a long time,

752
00:34:15,600 --> 00:34:18,320
Speaker 1: twenty plus years. It's a tight knit community, and you

753
00:34:18,320 --> 00:34:20,279
Speaker 1: don't want to see somebody who we know works really hard,

754
00:34:20,280 --> 00:34:21,879
Speaker 1: does a really good job, lose their job.

755
00:34:22,239 --> 00:34:25,960
Speaker 2: Now, DJ, let's be real about this. He wanted the

756
00:34:25,960 --> 00:34:27,759
Speaker 2: pioneers at the front end. When you think about like

757
00:34:27,800 --> 00:34:30,600
Speaker 2: the media, scalt business, like he he is there. I mean,

758
00:34:30,640 --> 00:34:33,880
Speaker 2: I know we were on the NFL side when he

759
00:34:33,920 --> 00:34:35,440
Speaker 2: was cutting his teeth and kind of doing his thing,

760
00:34:35,440 --> 00:34:37,040
Speaker 2: But I go all the way back to when was

761
00:34:37,160 --> 00:34:38,080
Speaker 2: Gary Horton.

762
00:34:37,840 --> 00:34:40,640
Speaker 1: Into Yeah, the war room, the warroom.

763
00:34:40,520 --> 00:34:42,640
Speaker 2: Warroom like Todd was a part of that. And I

764
00:34:42,680 --> 00:34:44,480
Speaker 2: also remember, like I don't know of you this, but

765
00:34:44,520 --> 00:34:47,000
Speaker 2: when I was working for a team, I remember looking

766
00:34:47,040 --> 00:34:50,160
Speaker 2: at him and Pat Kerwin and all those guys who

767
00:34:50,160 --> 00:34:52,480
Speaker 2: have made the transitions because they were at the forefront

768
00:34:52,560 --> 00:34:54,640
Speaker 2: of the movement where you had scouts going into the

769
00:34:54,680 --> 00:34:58,600
Speaker 2: media side, and so that kind of gave you light

770
00:34:59,080 --> 00:35:01,880
Speaker 2: and I did like, well, maybe I can go on

771
00:35:01,880 --> 00:35:03,680
Speaker 2: that side and do something a little different. I can

772
00:35:03,680 --> 00:35:06,239
Speaker 2: still kind of do what I love, but do it

773
00:35:06,960 --> 00:35:10,000
Speaker 2: in a different way. And so yeah, without Todd having

774
00:35:10,000 --> 00:35:13,400
Speaker 2: a success that he had over at ESPN, mel Kiper

775
00:35:13,440 --> 00:35:15,520
Speaker 2: and some of those other guys, yeah, we wouldn't have

776
00:35:15,560 --> 00:35:17,480
Speaker 2: had the opportunity to do the stuff that we've done

777
00:35:17,680 --> 00:35:20,399
Speaker 2: at NFL Network, NFL Media, the podcast that we have

778
00:35:21,239 --> 00:35:24,520
Speaker 2: and those things. So yes, it sucks. You hate to

779
00:35:24,640 --> 00:35:27,680
Speaker 2: see those things. And I'll contrary to proper opinion, we're

780
00:35:27,719 --> 00:35:28,480
Speaker 2: not competitors.

781
00:35:28,520 --> 00:35:30,080
Speaker 1: We all like nour buddies.

782
00:35:30,560 --> 00:35:33,480
Speaker 2: Yeah, this is what we do. So yeah, like love

783
00:35:33,560 --> 00:35:35,799
Speaker 2: to have them all, love to share because DJ the

784
00:35:35,880 --> 00:35:37,520
Speaker 2: one thing that happens when you get a bunch of

785
00:35:37,520 --> 00:35:43,279
Speaker 2: Scouts together, great conversations commenced. You know what you learn,

786
00:35:43,480 --> 00:35:44,920
Speaker 2: what have you seen? Who have you seen?

787
00:35:45,239 --> 00:35:45,799
Speaker 1: What do you like?

788
00:35:45,880 --> 00:35:47,640
Speaker 2: What don't you like? Ah? You know I miss this.

789
00:35:48,520 --> 00:35:52,279
Speaker 2: That stuff elevates your ability to evaluate. So, man, I'm

790
00:35:52,320 --> 00:35:53,200
Speaker 2: all for it for sure.

791
00:35:53,800 --> 00:35:55,840
Speaker 1: Yeah, and there's so many that we could go to

792
00:35:55,880 --> 00:35:58,239
Speaker 1: a million stories on top. But anyways, the one I'll

793
00:35:58,280 --> 00:36:00,239
Speaker 1: just mention is one of my favorite things that the

794
00:36:00,320 --> 00:36:03,759
Speaker 1: draft is always on day three and if there's a

795
00:36:03,840 --> 00:36:06,880
Speaker 1: random pick or something that you weren't expecting. Usually the

796
00:36:06,960 --> 00:36:10,040
Speaker 1: sets we can you can see the ESPN set from

797
00:36:10,040 --> 00:36:11,719
Speaker 1: where we are, and every now and then, no, you

798
00:36:11,760 --> 00:36:13,799
Speaker 1: can't be looking at the camera right here and and

799
00:36:13,880 --> 00:36:15,640
Speaker 1: Todd be over there, and every now and just like

800
00:36:15,719 --> 00:36:20,600
Speaker 1: this is like who's this? Yeah, like like that that's

801
00:36:20,640 --> 00:36:22,000
Speaker 1: and you know, neither one of us are on camera

802
00:36:22,000 --> 00:36:24,040
Speaker 1: at the time, but those are those are fun. Those

803
00:36:24,040 --> 00:36:27,799
Speaker 1: are fun moments. So but yeah, man, and let's let's

804
00:36:27,800 --> 00:36:30,520
Speaker 1: say this. Man, it's it's really a very very difficult time.

805
00:36:30,560 --> 00:36:32,839
Speaker 2: And so you know, Todd and a lot of other

806
00:36:32,880 --> 00:36:35,439
Speaker 2: guys have been kind of caught up in that mix,

807
00:36:35,480 --> 00:36:37,080
Speaker 2: even at our place. And so like you hate to

808
00:36:37,080 --> 00:36:40,120
Speaker 2: see anybody who works or does a good job kind

809
00:36:40,120 --> 00:36:42,960
Speaker 2: of fall on the outside end be a circumstances beyond

810
00:36:43,000 --> 00:36:46,120
Speaker 2: their control. So for everybody caught up that Todd included, man,

811
00:36:46,600 --> 00:36:48,840
Speaker 2: you hope that they get to the other side and

812
00:36:48,880 --> 00:36:51,520
Speaker 2: they're able to kind of move onward and upward, as

813
00:36:51,520 --> 00:36:54,399
Speaker 2: we say. And so for him and for all these

814
00:36:54,440 --> 00:36:56,640
Speaker 2: other people that we know, colleagues and stuff that have

815
00:36:56,719 --> 00:36:58,640
Speaker 2: been caught up in this, this is a very tough

816
00:36:58,680 --> 00:36:59,920
Speaker 2: time in our industry right now.

817
00:37:00,880 --> 00:37:04,360
Speaker 1: It really is things are changing, Uh, you know. The

818
00:37:04,480 --> 00:37:07,040
Speaker 1: encouraging thing for anybody that's got caught up in this,

819
00:37:07,080 --> 00:37:08,400
Speaker 1: and you mentioned we've had a lot of friends that

820
00:37:08,480 --> 00:37:12,480
Speaker 1: our network as well as other networks around. The good

821
00:37:12,520 --> 00:37:14,919
Speaker 1: news is it's not a one or two or three,

822
00:37:15,560 --> 00:37:20,200
Speaker 1: you know, spot shot anymore. You can get out and

823
00:37:20,239 --> 00:37:22,920
Speaker 1: there's so many more entities that are growing media entities

824
00:37:22,960 --> 00:37:24,799
Speaker 1: that you can get involved in. You can do your

825
00:37:24,800 --> 00:37:26,960
Speaker 1: own thing, you can get on YouTube and knock it out,

826
00:37:26,960 --> 00:37:29,959
Speaker 1: you can do your own podcast. Like, there's opportunity there.

827
00:37:30,239 --> 00:37:32,680
Speaker 1: But with that, we've seen some of the opportunities in

828
00:37:32,680 --> 00:37:36,319
Speaker 1: the traditional houses kind of you know shrink. So it's

829
00:37:36,560 --> 00:37:39,520
Speaker 1: you know, anyways, I didn't want to leave the podcast

830
00:37:39,560 --> 00:37:42,320
Speaker 1: today without acknowledging that because Todd is a good friend

831
00:37:42,320 --> 00:37:45,120
Speaker 1: of both ours and you hate seeing stuff like this.

832
00:37:45,400 --> 00:37:47,719
Speaker 2: Oh, absolutely, look is gut renching when you see those things.

833
00:37:47,760 --> 00:37:49,279
Speaker 2: You see the names come across the ticker and all

834
00:37:49,360 --> 00:37:51,400
Speaker 2: that other stuff. So uh yeah, I love to have

835
00:37:51,480 --> 00:37:51,799
Speaker 2: them all.

836
00:37:51,840 --> 00:37:52,000
Speaker 1: Man.

837
00:37:52,360 --> 00:37:54,360
Speaker 2: Best wishes to him because I know he'll land on

838
00:37:54,360 --> 00:37:57,239
Speaker 2: his feet. But yeah, you talked about having more conversations,

839
00:37:57,239 --> 00:37:58,920
Speaker 2: bringing him on and talk. Man, we should do it.

840
00:37:59,400 --> 00:38:01,719
Speaker 1: Absolutely hopefully that we can forgot a way to get

841
00:38:01,719 --> 00:38:03,840
Speaker 1: that done. All right, that's going to do it for

842
00:38:03,920 --> 00:38:06,080
Speaker 1: us today. I hope you guys have enjoyed the episode. Again,

843
00:38:06,160 --> 00:38:08,480
Speaker 1: Q and A, don't forget hashtag ask MTS. You can

844
00:38:08,520 --> 00:38:11,920
Speaker 1: hit us up on social media or leave a question

845
00:38:12,480 --> 00:38:14,920
Speaker 1: in the Apple Podcast reviews and we'll find it and

846
00:38:14,920 --> 00:38:16,920
Speaker 1: we'll get it answered on the next episode. So appreciate

847
00:38:16,960 --> 00:38:18,319
Speaker 1: you guys hanging with us. We'll catch you next time.

848
00:38:18,400 --> 00:38:25,480
Speaker 1: Right here on, Move the sticks.