WEBVTT - The Allen Iverson Episode 0:00:01.080 --> 0:00:05.760 Yeah, gett boys, it's back and reloaded all in your mind. Yeah, 0:00:05.760 --> 0:00:08.520 and now deep throating. This is for the streets, the reel, 0:00:08.680 --> 0:00:12.680 the railroaded, the distant franchise, the truth, the scapegoating, and 0:00:12.800 --> 0:00:14.960 they ain't knowing we speak the truth, so they ain't 0:00:15.000 --> 0:00:18.280 quoted because we wrote it. The North South East Coat 0:00:18.440 --> 0:00:21.640 g b B for keeping your head bobbing. It ain't 0:00:21.640 --> 0:00:24.960 no stopping and wants to be drops by. And then 0:00:25.160 --> 0:00:27.480 the system is so corrupt they throw the rock out 0:00:27.560 --> 0:00:31.480 their heads and then blame it on us. Don't get 0:00:31.480 --> 0:00:35.040 it twisted on code and we danceing for no buttament biscuits. 0:00:38.040 --> 0:00:41.080 It's Willie d y'all scarf faces in the building. Collective 0:00:41.120 --> 0:00:44.280 Louis are the ghett old Boys, loaded reloaded with another 0:00:44.320 --> 0:00:47.360 episode of information and instructions to help you navigate through 0:00:47.400 --> 0:00:52.800 this wild, crazy, beautiful world. In the studio eleven time, 0:00:53.479 --> 0:00:59.200 n b A All Star, n B A All Star, 0:00:59.800 --> 0:01:07.720 m VP, MVP of the nb A. We're talking all 0:01:07.920 --> 0:01:10.760 of fame. Wait, let me let me put something in there. 0:01:11.000 --> 0:01:14.880 Nigger cross Jordan and told him come in and did 0:01:14.920 --> 0:01:21.039 him again, popped on him. Family Hubba Chuck is in 0:01:21.080 --> 0:01:26.960 the building, Man, do you know what. What's so dope 0:01:27.600 --> 0:01:33.680 is Willie d Is saying this to me like my nickname, 0:01:34.800 --> 0:01:36.480 you know what I mean? And I know what I 0:01:36.560 --> 0:01:40.559 did or whatever, like y'all don't know how I looked 0:01:40.600 --> 0:01:48.800 up to y'all like Alan, you you bro. I we 0:01:48.800 --> 0:01:52.640 were sitting in the presence of greatness right now. Bro, Allen, 0:01:52.720 --> 0:01:55.560 do you know that he was about this tall you 0:01:55.600 --> 0:01:58.760 were you were crumbling on niggas coming down like wow, 0:01:59.080 --> 0:02:01.840 like look at this little bit a nigger coming down 0:02:01.840 --> 0:02:04.920 there with the with with a heart like fucking mighty mouth. 0:02:06.400 --> 0:02:11.280 The feeling is, the feeling is mutual. It's mutual, you 0:02:11.320 --> 0:02:14.160 know what I mean. I got up on y'all dudes, tough, tough, 0:02:14.320 --> 0:02:17.560 just and my man, you know what I mean. I 0:02:17.600 --> 0:02:20.560 grew up on y'all like mall yeah, hey, with my 0:02:20.639 --> 0:02:26.359 cour I don't know anybody that don't like Alan Irison. 0:02:29.000 --> 0:02:35.239 I do probably people that were more man haters, got 0:02:35.280 --> 0:02:39.720 haters hate us, hate on hate us a lot of times. 0:02:40.160 --> 0:02:42.080 A lot of times people hate hate on you because 0:02:42.080 --> 0:02:44.080 they want to be They wish they were you, so 0:02:45.040 --> 0:02:48.320 oh they really hated If you won't, I don't know 0:02:48.400 --> 0:02:55.720 if you want this life, but but Um, if I 0:02:55.760 --> 0:02:58.600 can do it all over again, I'll do it this way. 0:02:59.200 --> 0:03:03.240 I come back the same dude. She mean, I love 0:03:03.639 --> 0:03:08.600 the people that love me. I love him yeah too hard. Yeah, 0:03:08.960 --> 0:03:10.799 Like you know, I don't want to be I don't 0:03:10.800 --> 0:03:14.480 want to be nobody else. I love being me, you 0:03:14.480 --> 0:03:16.639 know what I mean? Do I want more for my life? 0:03:16.720 --> 0:03:20.520 Do I want better and all that ship? Yeah, but 0:03:21.200 --> 0:03:26.480 I'm cool with being me. Jack did that. Jack sucked 0:03:26.520 --> 0:03:30.680 them up. Let's go back to your humble beginnings. Man Hampton, 0:03:30.800 --> 0:03:37.000 Virginia Happening Newport News. I'm I'm I'm I'm seven cities. Yeah, 0:03:37.080 --> 0:03:44.040 because people get piste off me when one place. Yeah, 0:03:44.120 --> 0:03:48.480 you gotta you gotta claim. Yeah, I'm I'm Virginia's That's fine, Virginia. 0:03:48.600 --> 0:03:50.680 Let's go. Let's go back to Virginia, you know, like 0:03:50.760 --> 0:03:54.440 where it all started. Uh. And I say humble beginners 0:03:54.440 --> 0:03:58.120 because it's not just a figure speech. I mean, like 0:03:58.160 --> 0:04:01.520 you're a humble dude to have accomplished all the things 0:04:01.520 --> 0:04:05.560 that you've accomplished, and you know, to be at the 0:04:05.680 --> 0:04:08.920 level that that you're at, and and and haven't done 0:04:08.920 --> 0:04:12.200 all the things that you've done, you know, throughout the 0:04:12.240 --> 0:04:15.240 whole process. I remember when you know you was going 0:04:15.240 --> 0:04:17.360 through all the crazy things that you was going through, 0:04:17.440 --> 0:04:21.480 you remained humble the entire time. And I think that's 0:04:21.520 --> 0:04:26.320 your blessing. You know, you were raised by a single mother. 0:04:27.360 --> 0:04:31.159 Your mother asked, my, my, my, my pap? Was my pap? 0:04:31.760 --> 0:04:38.320 Was your pops in the house? He spent um he 0:04:38.560 --> 0:04:45.000 was sixty five, right, he spent half of his life 0:04:45.440 --> 0:04:50.960 in prison, but he was there. I can't use that excuse. 0:04:51.360 --> 0:04:54.120 But when was he inside the house, Well, y'all just 0:04:54.160 --> 0:04:58.040 had a relationship and out they was up and down, right, 0:04:58.279 --> 0:05:01.839 you know what I mean. But that's my partner, Like, 0:05:03.760 --> 0:05:09.520 that's my man. I don't have that excuse. I can't Well, 0:05:09.560 --> 0:05:12.359 you know, I wasn't really really really really aiming it 0:05:12.360 --> 0:05:16.520 as an excuse, framing it as an excuse, because, uh, 0:05:16.640 --> 0:05:21.040 there have been people that grew up in single parent households, 0:05:21.360 --> 0:05:24.719 raised by single mothers who has done some outstanding things. 0:05:24.720 --> 0:05:27.840 Some there are some single mothers out there who are outstanding. 0:05:27.960 --> 0:05:32.880 You know, they took on more than their share. You know, 0:05:33.080 --> 0:05:34.920 anytime you take on more than your share, I think 0:05:34.960 --> 0:05:38.080 you know you out of sight. But your your mom 0:05:38.200 --> 0:05:43.039 name is an right. I was her middle name is, 0:05:43.080 --> 0:05:46.000 and like that's my mom's middle name also. So that's 0:05:46.000 --> 0:05:48.320 why we click, that's we click. We were raised by 0:05:48.360 --> 0:05:54.039 some ants. So but but your mom still was there 0:05:54.160 --> 0:05:56.400 a lot of time, you know, where it was she 0:05:56.520 --> 0:05:59.720 had to take on, you know, more than her share 0:05:59.800 --> 0:06:05.400 was right, Was there any time that this was going on, 0:06:05.480 --> 0:06:08.040 like when you was here being raised that you felt like, 0:06:08.160 --> 0:06:10.000 you know, your mom had to wait the world on 0:06:10.040 --> 0:06:11.800 our hands and you had to do something about it 0:06:11.839 --> 0:06:20.760 to help her out. Yeah. Like I remember, I remember 0:06:20.800 --> 0:06:25.240 being in school and I was sucking up, like you know, 0:06:25.320 --> 0:06:31.440 I won't go into classes and I just won't doing right. 0:06:31.520 --> 0:06:35.840 And I remember coach Thompson m bring me in the 0:06:35.960 --> 0:06:41.640 office and he was like, um, you know you up here. 0:06:42.760 --> 0:06:47.320 You know you eat three times a day. No, you 0:06:47.440 --> 0:06:54.960 got heat, you got a c um, you got everything, 0:06:56.120 --> 0:07:01.000 and mommy at home fucked up, you know what I mean? Um, 0:07:01.000 --> 0:07:09.200 no lights, um, no heat. Hm. And he was like, 0:07:10.800 --> 0:07:13.120 you're cool with that, right, So you're gonna suck it up. 0:07:13.400 --> 0:07:19.160 You ain't gonna make sure, oh we do. That's a 0:07:19.160 --> 0:07:23.080 good point right there. Man. I would just like I 0:07:23.120 --> 0:07:26.360 will get right back focused, you know what I mean? 0:07:26.360 --> 0:07:31.239 On what the fuck the agenda at hand was because 0:07:31.280 --> 0:07:34.880 I had that, I had to take care of my 0:07:34.880 --> 0:07:39.320 my lady man, my family. Technically, uh talks to change 0:07:39.360 --> 0:07:42.280 your life. Huh. Yeah. He saved my life. He saved you, bro, 0:07:42.400 --> 0:07:44.880 He saved my life. He he was he was dog, 0:07:45.360 --> 0:07:49.440 he was the guy. Like Mommy went up there when 0:07:49.440 --> 0:07:51.440 I when I got locked up, Mommy went up there 0:07:52.280 --> 0:07:57.520 and and she begged basically for my life, like because 0:07:57.560 --> 0:08:03.000 I was recruited by everybody like football, basketball, number one 0:08:03.040 --> 0:08:07.280 player in the country, football and basketball, and when I 0:08:07.320 --> 0:08:11.960 got in that situation. Can you talk about that situation 0:08:12.000 --> 0:08:14.160 now or would you rather just keep the book closed. 0:08:15.160 --> 0:08:18.440 I'm an open book. That's why I'm out. But but 0:08:18.520 --> 0:08:20.760 let's let's let's go back a little bit first though. 0:08:20.920 --> 0:08:23.440 Let's let's because I want to like really get to 0:08:23.480 --> 0:08:26.360 understand who you are as a man. You know how 0:08:26.480 --> 0:08:29.240 you got there, you know when you were being raised. 0:08:29.520 --> 0:08:31.640 You know what was the rules, like you know, like 0:08:31.720 --> 0:08:34.400 and what was the relationship between your parents, like and 0:08:34.400 --> 0:08:38.120 and and do you have siblings? Yeah? Okay, so a 0:08:38.160 --> 0:08:41.440 couple of sisters. I got a little brother, So what 0:08:41.600 --> 0:08:47.160 was that structure? Like? Up, man, I love I love hard. 0:08:48.400 --> 0:08:56.360 You know what I mean, um, I love I and 0:08:56.400 --> 0:08:59.800 I'm I'm, I'm, I'm me, you know what I mean. 0:09:00.000 --> 0:09:09.120 It's kind of like, um, when when when motherfucker's say, um, 0:09:09.160 --> 0:09:12.000 you're a real one, You're a real one, you know 0:09:12.000 --> 0:09:14.880 what I mean? That ship is so cliche, you know 0:09:14.920 --> 0:09:20.119 what I mean. But at the same time, I understand, 0:09:20.600 --> 0:09:24.199 Like I understand what when people say that to me, 0:09:24.480 --> 0:09:27.560 I understand what they mean, you know what I mean, 0:09:27.679 --> 0:09:30.960 because I'm just me, Like I'm trying to be nobody else. 0:09:31.040 --> 0:09:36.000 I'm I'm, I'm everybody else taken up. I can't be 0:09:36.160 --> 0:09:39.080 Brad Jordan. I can't be Willi d You know what 0:09:39.080 --> 0:09:41.800 I mean. All I can be is Alan Irrison. You 0:09:41.800 --> 0:09:45.880 know what I mean. I can't be the most handsome 0:09:45.960 --> 0:09:49.040 nigger in the world, the most richest motherfucker in the world, 0:09:49.080 --> 0:09:53.920 the most smartest motherfucker in the world. I'll take their 0:09:53.920 --> 0:10:01.560 handsome ship back. No, But like, I can't be I 0:10:01.600 --> 0:10:05.960 can't be the best, I can't be the best everything. 0:10:06.360 --> 0:10:09.360 Like I try to be who the funk I am? 0:10:09.520 --> 0:10:12.559 I try to be me man, and I don't try. 0:10:13.040 --> 0:10:16.559 It's just like my sister loved me, you know what 0:10:16.600 --> 0:10:19.160 I mean. My brother loved me my mom love me, 0:10:19.240 --> 0:10:22.480 my dad loved me, my homeboys love me, my fans 0:10:22.520 --> 0:10:27.320 love me. You know what I mean. Like I'm me dog, 0:10:27.559 --> 0:10:31.000 Like I don't try to be nobody else. You know 0:10:31.040 --> 0:10:33.520 what I mean, Like I don't I don't want to 0:10:33.559 --> 0:10:37.040 be nobody else. You know what I mean. As much 0:10:37.080 --> 0:10:39.559 as I love this motherfucker right here, You know what 0:10:39.640 --> 0:10:45.200 I mean, And y'all motherfucker's theme music to my life 0:10:46.000 --> 0:10:49.480 and ship like that, I can't be y'all. You know 0:10:49.520 --> 0:10:52.400 what I mean. I can't be nobody else as much 0:10:52.440 --> 0:10:56.080 as I love Michael Jordan much as I love Michael Jackson. Man, 0:10:56.080 --> 0:10:59.720 I'm me. I'm cool with being me, you understand. And 0:10:59.760 --> 0:11:04.160 it's and this little motherfucker's out here. That's you know 0:11:05.160 --> 0:11:08.520 that that I've seen at the game yesterday. I'm at 0:11:08.520 --> 0:11:13.120 a Houston Rockets game. Dude ten years old, you know 0:11:13.160 --> 0:11:17.240 what I mean. And they rocked with Chuck. I don't 0:11:17.240 --> 0:11:21.760 know if that daddy put him on that ship or whatever, 0:11:21.960 --> 0:11:26.720 but the dopest feeling in the world. And I know 0:11:26.800 --> 0:11:31.840 him getting emotional right now talking about this type of stuff. 0:11:31.920 --> 0:11:36.040 You know what I mean? Man? I just I love 0:11:36.280 --> 0:11:38.720 who the funk I am and who my mom made 0:11:38.760 --> 0:11:42.239 me who my dad made me, and all my homeboys 0:11:42.440 --> 0:11:44.920 from around my way to believe in me, and my 0:11:45.040 --> 0:11:47.040 family that believe in me. You know what I mean, 0:11:47.960 --> 0:11:53.200 I'm about to go on this motherfucker on Sunday All 0:11:53.280 --> 0:12:01.600 Star Sunday, Top seventy five ever, Top seventy five best 0:12:01.679 --> 0:12:08.959 ever where I come from. Oh, motherfucker's try to take 0:12:08.960 --> 0:12:11.880 it away from me. They tried to take it away 0:12:11.880 --> 0:12:15.280 from me, and I don't. And Coach Thompson always said 0:12:15.280 --> 0:12:18.640 that about me when he talked about me. I ain't 0:12:18.640 --> 0:12:21.680 complained like I didn't. I didn't. I didn't. I didn't 0:12:21.720 --> 0:12:25.600 blame the people in Virginia because everybody in Virginia don't 0:12:26.480 --> 0:12:30.520 fucking dislike me. Some people wanted minds to win. A 0:12:30.559 --> 0:12:34.040 lot of people wanted you to community, and I wanted up. 0:12:34.200 --> 0:12:38.280 I had no championship and nothing, you know what I mean? 0:12:38.400 --> 0:12:41.000 Like I wrote that letter to Kobe, and I meant 0:12:41.040 --> 0:12:43.680 that like he a champion. He was, He was a champion. 0:12:43.720 --> 0:12:46.120 He got rings, he got rings on top of rings. 0:12:46.679 --> 0:12:49.880 But explain that letter. When did you write it? I 0:12:49.880 --> 0:12:53.840 don't know, And that's some real ship. Like I don't, 0:12:53.880 --> 0:12:57.120 I don't, I don't know when I wrote an estimate time, 0:12:57.520 --> 0:13:06.680 estimated time, I wrote it like maybe, um maybe, like right, 0:13:07.760 --> 0:13:11.160 I think right after you got a championship, don't you 0:13:11.440 --> 0:13:15.400 and Phil it? What the fuck? Y'all went to the 0:13:15.480 --> 0:13:19.480 dance though? Right they beat us, they knocked us off? 0:13:19.640 --> 0:13:23.000 Who was it? Like two for they beat us? We 0:13:23.120 --> 0:13:29.760 won game one and we lost. Yeah, I wrote that, Willie. 0:13:31.240 --> 0:13:37.480 I think I wrote it right after, right after, and 0:13:37.559 --> 0:13:41.600 I meant every word because that was my motherfucker. Man, 0:13:42.080 --> 0:13:49.280 That motherfucker brought so much out of me, like the 0:13:49.960 --> 0:14:00.440 most top. I mean, y'all had no idea, Man, that 0:14:00.520 --> 0:14:04.120 motherfucker board out of me. Man. Yeah, you know you 0:14:04.240 --> 0:14:07.440 brought a lot out of out of your competitors also 0:14:07.880 --> 0:14:11.200 because you pretty much was unstoppable man like, and talk 0:14:11.280 --> 0:14:16.320 about fearless. That's why so many people, especially dudes that 0:14:16.400 --> 0:14:18.920 I know, like I know a lot of cats from 0:14:18.960 --> 0:14:22.400 the streets and all these guys, we just loved your heart, 0:14:22.520 --> 0:14:24.720 your fearlessness. I mean, you're going that pain, you don't 0:14:24.720 --> 0:14:27.120 give a damage. The dude was eight feet tall, you know, 0:14:28.840 --> 0:14:32.560 going up, you're going in the paint, you're crossing up. 0:14:32.800 --> 0:14:37.360 It didn't matter, like never just listen, listen, to me, 0:14:37.600 --> 0:14:44.720 listen to me, why not you man? Like my mentor 0:14:44.880 --> 0:14:48.120 Gary Moore, he's my manager, but he's my mentor. Heat 0:14:48.560 --> 0:14:51.160 meant so much to me. He's like a father thinking 0:14:51.200 --> 0:14:57.480 to me. And he was like, why not you? You 0:14:57.480 --> 0:14:59.720 know what I mean? If it's you and me, it's me. 0:15:00.720 --> 0:15:04.640 That ain't cocky. That ain't arrogance. That ain't that ain't 0:15:04.720 --> 0:15:09.600 that ain't that ain't arrogance. It's just confidence, man, Like, 0:15:12.080 --> 0:15:17.080 who can funk with you? Right? You tell me? You 0:15:17.120 --> 0:15:21.400 know what I'm saying? And and and and and and 0:15:21.560 --> 0:15:25.880 That's how I was when I when I played the game, like, man, 0:15:25.920 --> 0:15:29.320 I don't care about you being seven feet tall, Like 0:15:29.400 --> 0:15:32.800 I don't man, I'm me like I'm I'm man. God 0:15:32.880 --> 0:15:37.640 gave me this. It wasn't it ain't it ain't like 0:15:39.040 --> 0:15:41.600 you know, you're being arrogant or nothing. But God gave 0:15:41.640 --> 0:15:44.880 you that talent. So why wouldn't you think that that 0:15:44.920 --> 0:15:48.640 talent is better than any talent that was given? H 0:15:50.000 --> 0:15:53.160 How old were you when you started realizing that talent? 0:15:53.280 --> 0:15:58.240 Like when you got into sports, how old were you? Eight? 0:15:58.360 --> 0:16:02.800 And you chose football basketball first? Football? It's a quarterback, 0:16:05.240 --> 0:16:09.680 But I said, I saw him as a quarterback that 0:16:09.720 --> 0:16:14.120 would take off on you and hey, you haven't seen 0:16:14.160 --> 0:16:19.000 it his highlights. My man, my man, Mike, my man, Mike. 0:16:19.240 --> 0:16:23.480 One up me. He the baddest football player. It used 0:16:23.480 --> 0:16:26.360 to be me. Oh ship, but the fun you up. 0:16:27.080 --> 0:16:29.520 I need to come back, man, I need to come back. 0:16:29.600 --> 0:16:32.280 Well I'm talking about dude man, Like you could have 0:16:32.360 --> 0:16:35.760 really wrote your ticket to football that it didn't matter 0:16:35.920 --> 0:16:38.000 what you wanted to do. You could have done either. 0:16:38.880 --> 0:16:45.760 How how did you resolve to go towards basketball this situation? Okay, 0:16:46.000 --> 0:16:48.520 like they stopped recruiting me when I got in the 0:16:48.600 --> 0:16:51.640 bowling okay, yeah, yeah, So you had the bowling alley 0:16:51.680 --> 0:16:53.760 incident when you were in high school. He was getting 0:16:53.760 --> 0:16:57.680 ready to go to college and they come after like 0:16:57.680 --> 0:17:00.800 like this was this was this was walk us through 0:17:00.800 --> 0:17:03.280 it because from what I understand, it was somebody was 0:17:04.320 --> 0:17:06.879 making some type of racial statement towards y'all or something 0:17:06.960 --> 0:17:09.720 like that, and then a fighting sued and they came 0:17:09.760 --> 0:17:14.480 after you instead of going after the people who actually started. 0:17:14.600 --> 0:17:21.320 I was the guy in there that everybody know I was. 0:17:21.560 --> 0:17:27.639 I was basically, um, I was reilroaded. Mm hm you 0:17:27.680 --> 0:17:33.680 know what I mean? Like I don't like to use 0:17:33.760 --> 0:17:40.040 them the radio card because I ain't no racist, Like 0:17:40.080 --> 0:17:42.080 I ain't no racist motherfucker, you know what I mean? 0:17:42.440 --> 0:17:47.119 Many white boys and different How do you say this 0:17:47.119 --> 0:17:53.960 ship at ethnic ethnicities? Ethnicities? Yeah, I love everybody, you 0:17:54.000 --> 0:17:58.879 know what I mean? Um, we kind of we're closer 0:17:58.880 --> 0:18:01.080 in the same and that regard because but I love 0:18:01.119 --> 0:18:05.960 everybody I played with, But I played with dude, nobody 0:18:06.000 --> 0:18:07.760 that I love who loved me and I hate to 0:18:07.840 --> 0:18:10.840 hate me. I love who loved me, and I hate 0:18:10.840 --> 0:18:13.560 who hate me. You know what I mean? Well me, 0:18:13.680 --> 0:18:17.679 I'm the hate that hate produced. So dog, it was, 0:18:17.920 --> 0:18:20.239 it was, it was. It was all bad. It was. 0:18:20.320 --> 0:18:24.720 It was. It was like it was like, um, and 0:18:24.800 --> 0:18:27.800 it bothered me to talk about it now and I'm 0:18:27.840 --> 0:18:33.960 gonna leave this alone. Um, but it was like, man, 0:18:34.240 --> 0:18:37.520 you know, I when when when you grow up, you 0:18:37.880 --> 0:18:40.919 being an awesome rapper. You've been an awesome rapper, and 0:18:41.000 --> 0:18:44.960 everybody's saying we can't wait for you to make it. 0:18:45.000 --> 0:18:47.640 You're gonna make it. You're gonna you know what I mean, 0:18:47.680 --> 0:18:52.040 You're gonna be the ship that blah. And then when 0:18:52.119 --> 0:18:58.200 it happened, it's like that motherfucker, he don't do nothing 0:18:58.240 --> 0:19:01.919 for me, you know what I mean, Like, what do 0:19:01.960 --> 0:19:06.199 you do for me? You understand? Like, and it was 0:19:06.240 --> 0:19:11.080 like like it fucked me up and it hurt me 0:19:12.040 --> 0:19:19.320 that regardless white, black, or whatever, the people from my 0:19:19.400 --> 0:19:24.960 hometown tried to railroad me and I represent them the 0:19:25.000 --> 0:19:29.360 best way, yeah I can, Like I try to be 0:19:29.640 --> 0:19:34.920 a solid motherfucker. I try to be the best dude 0:19:35.480 --> 0:19:38.920 that I can be, and I try to represent my city, 0:19:39.320 --> 0:19:43.720 um the best way I can and the honest way 0:19:43.760 --> 0:19:47.720 I can, you know what I mean. And for them 0:19:47.760 --> 0:19:51.240 to do that to me, it sucked me up and 0:19:51.280 --> 0:19:54.439 it took it took a while for me to recover 0:19:54.560 --> 0:19:58.080 from from that ship because you know, like I got 0:19:58.119 --> 0:20:02.239 homeboys that ain't my homeboys the more you know what 0:20:02.240 --> 0:20:04.600 I mean, and that ship hurt dog, you know what 0:20:04.680 --> 0:20:10.000 I mean, because you you you think, like what the 0:20:10.040 --> 0:20:14.240 fund did you do? Because you started questioning yourself, you 0:20:14.280 --> 0:20:16.320 know what I mean, Like, you know, why would my 0:20:17.119 --> 0:20:22.560 homeboys not fun with me no more? But at the 0:20:22.600 --> 0:20:28.560 same time, look at them, motherfucker's too. They wouldn't funk 0:20:28.560 --> 0:20:34.200 with you anymore because you started where they started and 0:20:35.720 --> 0:20:42.720 they're still there. That's why. But man, Willie, I ain't 0:20:42.720 --> 0:20:46.639 never do that. All I ever did I'm saying is 0:20:46.680 --> 0:20:49.040 that What I'm saying is that you moved on as 0:20:49.080 --> 0:20:52.200 far as like your growth, your career. You had a career, 0:20:52.320 --> 0:20:55.720 you had, you pursued your goals. I had to get 0:20:55.920 --> 0:21:00.280 in pursuit and and and y'all started in the same place. 0:21:00.800 --> 0:21:02.840 Y'all went, y'all walk the same streets, y'all went to 0:21:02.880 --> 0:21:07.480 the same schools, y'all played on the same playground, and 0:21:07.560 --> 0:21:10.320 y'all had the same and y'all probably slept at each 0:21:10.320 --> 0:21:12.760 other houses and eight eight at each other's houses. So 0:21:12.800 --> 0:21:16.200 they really really know you more than everybody else know 0:21:16.240 --> 0:21:20.720 where you and you grew, you moved further, you took 0:21:20.720 --> 0:21:24.360 it another, you took it somewhere else, and they are 0:21:24.560 --> 0:21:28.120 they were still stuck in that same place, and they 0:21:28.160 --> 0:21:30.280 resent you for that. And let me tell you something else. 0:21:30.920 --> 0:21:36.080 Let me tell you this right here. I swear to 0:21:36.119 --> 0:21:45.000 God on my life, on my life, I wish them 0:21:45.080 --> 0:21:50.600 nothing but the best, man, I don't. I hope they prospered. 0:21:50.680 --> 0:21:53.880 I hope their kids are fine. I hope the family 0:21:54.240 --> 0:21:58.280 is great and all that. We just don't rock no more, 0:21:58.800 --> 0:22:01.360 you know what I mean? I wish the best for him. 0:22:01.520 --> 0:22:04.000 I wouldn't. I wish the best for I wish no 0:22:04.080 --> 0:22:07.640 harm on him or nothing. Jack. You know what I mean? 0:22:07.680 --> 0:22:09.879 I want, I want the best for all of my 0:22:09.960 --> 0:22:12.679 homeboys that I don't funk with no more. And I 0:22:12.720 --> 0:22:15.080 don't know. And I don't know because like like what 0:22:15.200 --> 0:22:21.440 motherucker's say, what they're saying, and um in relationships, uh 0:22:21.920 --> 0:22:26.160 um they motherfucker's grow apart or something like that. Yeah, 0:22:26.240 --> 0:22:27.480 you know what I mean. I don't believe in that, 0:22:27.960 --> 0:22:30.560 Like I ain't. I've been with my girl thirty years. 0:22:31.040 --> 0:22:34.160 I ain't trying to grow apart, you know what I'm saying, Like, 0:22:35.119 --> 0:22:37.760 I ain't trying to grow apart from her, you know 0:22:37.760 --> 0:22:40.080 what I mean. That's all I got. That's my lady. 0:22:40.160 --> 0:22:46.120 That's we were together a fucking month after we got 0:22:46.119 --> 0:22:49.679 divorce after thirteen years. You know what I mean, all me, 0:22:50.119 --> 0:22:53.920 all my funk ups, all me. You know what I mean. 0:22:55.400 --> 0:22:59.119 But I don't believe in that grow apart ship. You 0:22:59.160 --> 0:23:03.440 know what I mean. I think when you and another 0:23:03.480 --> 0:23:10.639 individual is authentic with each other and his love and 0:23:10.680 --> 0:23:13.760 I'm supposed to go nowhere, Jack, for clarity, you said 0:23:13.840 --> 0:23:16.720 that y'all were together. You you meant to say that 0:23:16.800 --> 0:23:19.760 y'all were apart for a month after y'all divorced, and 0:23:19.800 --> 0:23:25.320 then y'all connected. We were, we were. We got divorced 0:23:25.320 --> 0:23:31.080 in thirteen, Yeah, and we were together, um less than 0:23:31.119 --> 0:23:35.840 a month after that. Y'all got back together less after that. Yeah. Yeah, 0:23:35.880 --> 0:23:40.119 I had to do some I had to do some bagging. 0:23:41.240 --> 0:23:44.040 So that was the same year that you retired in 0:23:44.080 --> 0:23:48.000 two thousand thirteen. I retired and I got divorce in thirteen. 0:23:48.240 --> 0:23:51.840 I retired in ten. Right, I thought you retired in 0:23:51.880 --> 0:24:00.080 two thousand retired, Man, I'm not. He did it? What 0:24:00.200 --> 0:24:07.520 it's hey? Yo? Want a ten? Yeah? I retired in ten, 0:24:08.640 --> 0:24:13.119 two thousand ten. Yeah, come on, what are you fucking 0:24:13.160 --> 0:24:15.679 me up? I got a good one for you. When 0:24:15.720 --> 0:24:20.720 when Um, when Um Philadelphia came down to play the Rockets, 0:24:21.520 --> 0:24:24.159 we set on the floor, me and my son, the 0:24:24.160 --> 0:24:29.840 oldest boy, and um Al came to the bench, you know, 0:24:29.880 --> 0:24:32.120 at the halftime. Man, he sat down next to us. 0:24:32.160 --> 0:24:36.720 Man took his shoes off scoom and he signed both 0:24:36.760 --> 0:24:41.159 of them shoes to my son. October two thousand Appreciate it. 0:24:42.000 --> 0:24:45.280 You know, I'm I might I might have been washed 0:24:45.320 --> 0:24:47.359 up then, Yeah, for me to think that. But he 0:24:47.440 --> 0:24:49.560 signed both of his shoes, took him off his feet 0:24:49.600 --> 0:24:51.480 and signed him and gave him a boy man and 0:24:51.560 --> 0:24:54.520 walked to the locker room bad foot it. That's just 0:24:54.600 --> 0:24:56.879 what kind of dude he is. Man. Its super solid 0:24:56.920 --> 0:25:01.960 from day one. Broa always man, big dog status, always 0:25:02.040 --> 0:25:05.160 kept one. You know, that's my things on. I don't 0:25:05.160 --> 0:25:10.040 know why because he was awesome on that motherfucker you 0:25:10.119 --> 0:25:13.000 and him for a long time. Man, Yeah, yeah, God 0:25:13.160 --> 0:25:22.440 damn you go through the situation with uh the to 0:25:22.600 --> 0:25:29.600 hit you with what charge naming by mab by mat. 0:25:30.880 --> 0:25:34.919 They gave me, they gave me, They gave me fifteen years, 0:25:35.480 --> 0:25:40.640 and they suspended they suspended I think they suspended time 0:25:41.440 --> 0:25:43.760 like I was. I was, Um. I didn't go to 0:25:43.800 --> 0:25:45.440 the I didn't go to the penitentiary. I went to 0:25:45.600 --> 0:25:50.800 in the correctional facility. Yeah, uh like a halfway house. 0:25:50.800 --> 0:25:54.359 But they had me on the side with the the 0:25:54.400 --> 0:25:57.880 guys that was in a halfway so they was going 0:25:57.920 --> 0:25:59.720 to work every day. But they put me on that 0:25:59.760 --> 0:26:04.200 side because obviously who I was, and like the most 0:26:04.240 --> 0:26:08.280 time that you could have in there was um was 0:26:08.640 --> 0:26:13.119 five years, you know what I mean? Four months he 0:26:13.200 --> 0:26:14.639 was in there for four months. So he was in 0:26:14.680 --> 0:26:18.680 there for four months. Why are you in there? Your 0:26:19.240 --> 0:26:23.240 life is flashing before you. You're saying to yourself, Man, 0:26:23.400 --> 0:26:27.160 damn if I can get out of this, God, come 0:26:27.200 --> 0:26:32.639 on God. And then my lawyers was telling me every 0:26:32.720 --> 0:26:34.800 day that I was getting out. That's what that was 0:26:34.840 --> 0:26:38.080 what made it hot. Like one of the guys that 0:26:38.960 --> 0:26:43.199 we were just discussing earlier that I don't funk with 0:26:43.240 --> 0:26:47.840 no more, but I still love him. He was telling me, Bro, 0:26:48.000 --> 0:26:50.560 you're not getting out, Get the funk out of here. 0:26:51.080 --> 0:26:53.199 He was telling me that. But he was helping me 0:26:53.640 --> 0:26:56.480 because I was thinking every day. My lawyers was telling 0:26:56.520 --> 0:26:59.879 me every day that I was coming home. So they 0:27:00.000 --> 0:27:01.959 every day they like, you're gonna get out tomorrow. You're 0:27:01.960 --> 0:27:04.199 gonna get out tomorrow. You're gonna get out tomorrow. And 0:27:04.240 --> 0:27:08.240 then like, I'm in this motherfucker. And I remember him 0:27:08.280 --> 0:27:13.280 telling me. He was like, um now he visited and 0:27:13.320 --> 0:27:15.199 he was like, yo, why you got that cross on 0:27:15.240 --> 0:27:18.280 because I got somebody to make me across and yeah, 0:27:18.600 --> 0:27:20.399 you know what I mean, and and and he was 0:27:20.440 --> 0:27:22.760 like yo, what what what you doing to him? Like 0:27:23.720 --> 0:27:27.520 you know, I'll just be reading the Bible and blin 0:27:27.880 --> 0:27:29.199 and he was like, what the fund you reading the 0:27:29.200 --> 0:27:32.520 Bible for? What was you reading the Bible when you 0:27:32.520 --> 0:27:38.480 were out? And I'm like, like, that's what dudes doing here? 0:27:39.240 --> 0:27:42.200 And he basically was telling me like, motherfucker you go. 0:27:42.640 --> 0:27:48.520 You into that mystique of like basically, um, what what 0:27:48.520 --> 0:27:51.080 what when when dudes getting locked up? What is the ship? They? 0:27:52.920 --> 0:28:01.040 What is no? Um? You get um? Um? What's the ship? 0:28:01.800 --> 0:28:05.000 You get? Uh? Like when guys come out and and 0:28:05.000 --> 0:28:08.960 and they still stuck in the program. Yeah, but they 0:28:09.840 --> 0:28:14.480 institutionalized yeah, like you know what I mean, like why 0:28:14.520 --> 0:28:16.640 are you doing that? You're not getting out of here, man, 0:28:16.960 --> 0:28:25.439 so do your time, but look but listen. It helped me, yeah, 0:28:25.480 --> 0:28:28.639 because I in my mind, I'm thinking I ain't going nowhere. 0:28:29.520 --> 0:28:33.480 Like when you get out, you get your ass on 0:28:33.480 --> 0:28:43.400 that motherfucking court man. The motherfucker my man pain. He ran, 0:28:43.760 --> 0:28:48.160 He ran to jail man, put up a new court 0:28:48.160 --> 0:28:51.240 in that joint everything. You know what I mean? When 0:28:51.240 --> 0:28:53.320 I when I when I first looked, when I first 0:28:53.320 --> 0:28:57.760 started playing out there, they was filing me so crazy. 0:28:57.800 --> 0:29:02.800 I mean I called ball one time, my ball. Motherfucker 0:29:02.880 --> 0:29:07.320 looked at me like are you serious? Like this ain't bathroom, motherfucker. 0:29:07.800 --> 0:29:10.720 You know where you were at? No fouls out here. 0:29:12.840 --> 0:29:17.360 I went and told him that ship, and he let 0:29:17.400 --> 0:29:20.160 me come out for an hour or two every day, 0:29:20.440 --> 0:29:23.200 just work on my game. So when I got out, 0:29:24.080 --> 0:29:27.680 I was published. I was ready. I was ready. Straight 0:29:27.720 --> 0:29:32.600 to Georgetown, like, um, I went there. I think I 0:29:32.640 --> 0:29:36.880 went there. Alonzo Morning was there with coach. That's my 0:29:36.920 --> 0:29:40.440 partner too. Yeah, And and I went right from jail 0:29:41.880 --> 0:29:45.640 um to getting on the court. That was a time 0:29:46.000 --> 0:29:48.800 before you went to Georgetown that you had to wait 0:29:48.840 --> 0:29:54.440 to see what Governor Douglas do, what kind of decision 0:29:54.480 --> 0:29:57.360 he would make in your case. And I know that 0:29:57.440 --> 0:30:01.000 had to be that have to be a very very 0:30:01.040 --> 0:30:03.440 nervous time for you right there, huh, just waiting to 0:30:03.560 --> 0:30:05.920 try to see if they were gonna give you some relief. 0:30:12.640 --> 0:30:15.840 I thought he was gonna do it. I mean, thinking 0:30:15.880 --> 0:30:18.600 back on, I don't know, man, I think he was 0:30:18.640 --> 0:30:22.600 going to do it because of everything I heard about him, 0:30:22.720 --> 0:30:25.600 what type of man he was, you know what I mean, like, 0:30:26.720 --> 0:30:30.800 and he knew that it was some bullshit, you know 0:30:30.840 --> 0:30:35.560 what I mean like. And then those people, like those 0:30:35.600 --> 0:30:39.720 people in Virginia, they fought for me, man, they did. 0:30:39.880 --> 0:30:43.480 I know. I saw that. It was like they they 0:30:43.520 --> 0:30:46.400 fought for me. Man. I saw a special on Alan 0:30:46.480 --> 0:30:51.400 and um that's funny. You called me Alan my bad Chuck. 0:30:52.800 --> 0:30:55.040 But I saw a special man and they put that 0:30:55.120 --> 0:30:58.920 in there. Man. And I know that Coach Thompson put 0:30:59.040 --> 0:31:02.840 put a lot to you, bro, you know, and for 0:31:02.920 --> 0:31:06.320 you to turn out, you know what you turned out 0:31:06.360 --> 0:31:09.560 to be in the NBA from that right there. Like, 0:31:09.680 --> 0:31:16.720 it's extremely impressive, brod that I ain't done making them proud. Man, 0:31:18.080 --> 0:31:22.040 I'm not. I'm not done making him. I ain't did enough. 0:31:23.640 --> 0:31:26.520 It's little dudes, o't hear that? I gotta Oh yeah, 0:31:26.560 --> 0:31:29.560 you gott you got some more ships that? Did you 0:31:29.640 --> 0:31:33.680 ever tell coach we can't talk about no game. We're 0:31:33.680 --> 0:31:41.280 talking about practicing. We talked, man, listen, so this is 0:31:41.280 --> 0:31:45.560 my last time doing this? Um, I'm talking about Thompson. 0:31:45.640 --> 0:31:47.800 Did you ever tell him that this is my last 0:31:47.800 --> 0:31:49.880 time doing it? Whatever? Man, I never told him that. 0:31:49.960 --> 0:31:52.800 I know. I wouldn't brave enough to do no ship 0:31:52.840 --> 0:31:56.640 like to tell him to telling him nothing like that. 0:31:57.520 --> 0:32:08.600 Um My, his friend had just got killed and they 0:32:08.600 --> 0:32:14.480 were talking about trading me that year and I went 0:32:15.000 --> 0:32:17.280 to Um, I met with the general manager and I 0:32:17.480 --> 0:32:21.479 met with Coach Brown, and they assured me that I 0:32:21.560 --> 0:32:24.880 wasn't getting traded. But I was going through some ship 0:32:25.080 --> 0:32:28.040 at that time because my kids, like they were going 0:32:28.080 --> 0:32:31.800 to school and their their classmates were saying, tell your dad, 0:32:31.880 --> 0:32:34.720 don't leave, and their teachers was, you know what I mean, 0:32:34.760 --> 0:32:37.080 Like they was going through it. Like I can, I 0:32:37.120 --> 0:32:40.640 can deal with this ship, but with my kids and 0:32:40.680 --> 0:32:44.320 my girl having to go through that, it was a problem. 0:32:44.360 --> 0:32:46.680 So I was happy as motherfucker when I went in 0:32:46.680 --> 0:32:48.560 there with the general manager and they was like, you 0:32:48.640 --> 0:32:52.640 ain't going nowhere, you know what I mean. So the 0:32:52.680 --> 0:32:58.080 press conference was supposed to be me assuring the fans 0:32:58.120 --> 0:33:01.040 and everybody in Philadelphia sing that I ain't going nowhere, 0:33:02.120 --> 0:33:08.040 and the motherfucker's kept asking me about practice. I just yeah, 0:33:08.120 --> 0:33:13.520 I lost it. I lost it, you know what I mean? Like, 0:33:14.080 --> 0:33:20.040 when did you ever question yourself after when they made 0:33:20.040 --> 0:33:22.240 that statement about practice? Did you have a question yourself 0:33:22.240 --> 0:33:24.760 and be like, well, no, because you can't be a 0:33:24.800 --> 0:33:30.560 bad motherfucker like that if you don't practice right, like well, well, 0:33:30.640 --> 0:33:34.400 the statement itself made people think that you didn't care 0:33:34.440 --> 0:33:38.000 about practice, you know, like you had bad but okay, 0:33:39.320 --> 0:33:41.640 let's clear that up. Did you have bad practice happens? 0:33:42.560 --> 0:33:46.680 Did you did you? Would you? Would you? Like like 0:33:46.680 --> 0:33:51.400 like real can practice? You were serious about your practice? 0:33:51.720 --> 0:33:56.480 Or did you you about drills? Okay, but if you 0:33:56.640 --> 0:33:59.520 played five on five, then I'm ready. I want to 0:33:59.560 --> 0:34:03.040 do that. I ain't. I didn't care too much for 0:34:04.240 --> 0:34:06.960 this way, this way, you know what I mean. I 0:34:07.000 --> 0:34:09.480 already knew that throw the ball up and let's go 0:34:10.040 --> 0:34:13.279 like that was my thing, you know what I mean? Like, 0:34:13.520 --> 0:34:16.560 so you did so you didn't have a pattern of 0:34:16.640 --> 0:34:22.799 skipping practice. You went to practice, but I had. I 0:34:22.800 --> 0:34:26.080 had a pattern of skipping. Yeah, they were doing drills 0:34:26.080 --> 0:34:30.880 that day. No, sometimes I was out too late. And 0:34:31.880 --> 0:34:33.440 when I come in there, I don't feel like it, 0:34:33.760 --> 0:34:35.920 you know what I mean. I'm a man, I'm a human. 0:34:36.480 --> 0:34:39.719 You you you I'm just tell me what you what 0:34:39.800 --> 0:34:41.920 you want me to make a sound fly to you? 0:34:45.040 --> 0:34:49.160 I ain't doing I ain't doing that. I was not Kobe. 0:34:49.840 --> 0:34:55.839 Kobe was something else. He was the guy, like I said, 0:34:56.000 --> 0:35:00.680 we're in the club. That motherfucker's in the gym oh ship, 0:35:01.320 --> 0:35:03.200 you know what I mean? And and and that's what 0:35:03.320 --> 0:35:06.840 separated him from a whole lot of dudes, even myself. 0:35:07.200 --> 0:35:09.400 Do you ever but do you ever think to yourself 0:35:09.400 --> 0:35:13.759 they were like, Okay, I'm I'm top whatever I'm I'm 0:35:13.880 --> 0:35:16.680 I'm a Hall of Famers. Great, But what if I 0:35:16.840 --> 0:35:20.480 had practice more? You ever think that, what if iout 0:35:20.480 --> 0:35:23.200 the live weights? What about it? You know what I mean? 0:35:23.239 --> 0:35:28.879 What if I would? Um dedicated myself more? But I 0:35:28.920 --> 0:35:33.279 did a lot. I dedicated myself a lot to to 0:35:33.840 --> 0:35:37.600 to be who I'm who I am. I did a lot. 0:35:37.640 --> 0:35:42.719 Would you say you gave what you could to the 0:35:42.840 --> 0:35:49.239 maximum at the same time to maintain your sanity? You know, 0:35:49.320 --> 0:35:51.200 like you gave as much as you could to maintain 0:35:51.200 --> 0:35:54.720 your sanity because you have to have balance, right, something 0:35:55.080 --> 0:35:58.640 like like Dennis Rodman. Dennis Rodman used to like, I 0:35:58.640 --> 0:36:00.600 gotta go to Vegas. Man. We're in the midd the playoffs. 0:36:01.360 --> 0:36:03.120 I saw the last day, but I gotta go to Vegas. 0:36:03.160 --> 0:36:07.040 You know what I'm saying, Like Roman, but I'm saying 0:36:07.040 --> 0:36:09.719 that Dennis Rodman don't go to the Vegas. He might 0:36:09.760 --> 0:36:12.320 not mean perhaps he's not as effective on the court 0:36:12.400 --> 0:36:18.880 because he needed that balance. Um, did you feel like 0:36:19.920 --> 0:36:23.520 I'm saying that's what That's what he did? That's that's 0:36:23.520 --> 0:36:27.480 what didn't and that's what he did. What I'm saying, 0:36:27.520 --> 0:36:30.480 what I'm saying just a bad motherfucker. So some some 0:36:30.600 --> 0:36:34.440 people just crazy, man, some people are just awesome. But 0:36:34.560 --> 0:36:38.759 did you feel like you had to have that kind 0:36:38.840 --> 0:36:41.680 you had to have your own balance by not going 0:36:41.719 --> 0:36:52.000 to practice sometimes or whatever, doing no just just living, 0:36:52.360 --> 0:36:56.879 like just living living my life, like being happy, like 0:36:57.080 --> 0:37:01.600 being I don't know, man, you know what I'm saying, 0:37:01.640 --> 0:37:09.120 like just living your living your life. Like one of 0:37:09.160 --> 0:37:16.040 my off days. I know, Raw I wish he was 0:37:16.080 --> 0:37:21.279 here to have a bad day, like I know he 0:37:21.360 --> 0:37:25.840 wished he could have a bad day. Like it's motherfucker's 0:37:25.880 --> 0:37:30.799 that I love. They wish they could have a bad day. 0:37:31.440 --> 0:37:33.800 And I had bad days. I had. I had days 0:37:33.840 --> 0:37:37.120 where not even I'm calling it a bad day, I 0:37:37.680 --> 0:37:41.439 don't mean it like that. I did what I wanted 0:37:41.480 --> 0:37:45.879 to do. I'm gonna do that until I'm gone. Man. 0:37:45.880 --> 0:37:51.040 I'm the greatest father, I'm the greatest homeboy. I'm the 0:37:51.080 --> 0:37:58.360 greatest brother, I'm the greatest son. I'm the greatest everything 0:37:58.400 --> 0:38:02.360 that I try to be. That's who I am. Do 0:38:02.440 --> 0:38:04.920 I make mistakes? Do I suck up? Hell? Yeah? Do 0:38:05.040 --> 0:38:11.600 I wish I wouldn't have did this and did that. Yeah, yeah, 0:38:12.120 --> 0:38:14.560 I wish. I mean, what then can I do? I 0:38:14.800 --> 0:38:19.480 can't do nothing else but be me and be happy 0:38:19.560 --> 0:38:23.560 as a motherfucker long as motherfucker's like, y'all rock with me. 0:38:24.200 --> 0:38:30.160 My family loved me, my teammates, my God love me 0:38:31.719 --> 0:38:35.839 out of here. Man, I'm cool. Cool. They tell us 0:38:35.840 --> 0:38:41.319 about your relationship with John Thompson coach John Thompson at Georgetown. 0:38:42.239 --> 0:38:45.160 The only thing I can say is love. He saved 0:38:45.200 --> 0:38:48.960 my life, did y'all? I'm sure y'all had like hundreds 0:38:48.960 --> 0:38:52.560 of talks. Is there anything that that really just stand out? 0:38:52.680 --> 0:39:00.080 Something something that he said to you that just you tough? Okay, 0:39:02.840 --> 0:39:07.320 I'm a football player right here. I'm a football player. 0:39:08.239 --> 0:39:10.800 I'm better in football than I ever would be in basketball. 0:39:11.880 --> 0:39:15.920 I swear to God, dog, I'm a football player. And 0:39:17.120 --> 0:39:19.480 I remember we was in the weight room, and you know, 0:39:19.520 --> 0:39:21.799 I ain't living no weights, so I'm just down there 0:39:22.280 --> 0:39:26.880 just sitting, you know, sitting on the bench. And I 0:39:27.000 --> 0:39:30.799 used to walk past like with with um our our 0:39:31.200 --> 0:39:35.840 our school. You had to walk past the um the 0:39:35.840 --> 0:39:40.160 football field to get to the gym, to the gym 0:39:40.200 --> 0:39:42.440 and every time. I used to walk by and I 0:39:42.520 --> 0:39:45.920 used to cry, you know what I mean, like to 0:39:46.040 --> 0:39:49.880 where is? It? Got so fucked up with me. I 0:39:49.880 --> 0:39:52.600 wouldn't look in that direction, you know what I mean 0:39:52.840 --> 0:39:55.440 to see the field. One day I went in the 0:39:55.560 --> 0:40:00.120 motherfucker and I was like, coach, like, I'm thinking my 0:40:00.200 --> 0:40:09.120 playing football, you little motherfucker. Don't you ever say anything 0:40:09.280 --> 0:40:15.160 stupid like that to me ever again? You hear me, motherfucker. 0:40:15.880 --> 0:40:22.160 Damn coach, that's yo, the worst mouth ever, really, man, Coach, 0:40:22.360 --> 0:40:26.520 I was terrible. Don't you ever come in here and 0:40:26.560 --> 0:40:28.440 say no ship like that to me again? I get 0:40:28.440 --> 0:40:33.920 the funk out of my face, like yo, And I 0:40:34.040 --> 0:40:38.080 never thought about playing football ever again. I never thought 0:40:38.120 --> 0:40:41.160 about playing football again. And that was my and and 0:40:41.200 --> 0:40:45.120 that was my coach. And one more joint, one more joint. 0:40:45.200 --> 0:40:49.239 This would make me feel like I was a superhero, 0:40:50.280 --> 0:41:01.440 I swear to god. My man, um my teammates, was 0:41:01.520 --> 0:41:04.879 in in the bathroom and all the coaches after the game, 0:41:05.440 --> 0:41:09.040 they being you know, they huddle up at the games, 0:41:09.280 --> 0:41:12.160 and they're be in the bathroom basically, so we can't 0:41:12.160 --> 0:41:16.480 hear what the fun they're talking about. And my man 0:41:18.400 --> 0:41:26.080 was shitting and he heard them talking and he came 0:41:26.080 --> 0:41:29.000 out and told me. He was like, man, I was 0:41:29.040 --> 0:41:31.239 in the bathroom. They didn't know I was in there, 0:41:32.200 --> 0:41:36.120 and Coach was just saying, that's a bad little motherfucker, 0:41:37.040 --> 0:41:42.160 you know what I mean. And when he told me that, 0:41:42.480 --> 0:41:45.759 and I knew that Coach thought that about me, play 0:41:45.800 --> 0:41:49.120 the game the rest of it. I mean, it just 0:41:49.280 --> 0:41:53.080 I felt like black Jesus. I felt like Mike, Like 0:41:53.120 --> 0:41:56.760 I just felt like I was like, because somebody that 0:41:56.760 --> 0:42:02.920 that you, yes, yes, you felt an obligation to not 0:42:03.000 --> 0:42:05.360 let him down. No, it won't, it won't even that. 0:42:05.680 --> 0:42:09.200 It just it like I already had the confidence in myself, 0:42:09.920 --> 0:42:14.719 but you know, for my man telling me that you're 0:42:14.719 --> 0:42:20.520 a bad motherfucker made you even bader. Motherfucker's my confidence 0:42:20.640 --> 0:42:25.800 level like through the roof. And I was like, yo, 0:42:26.160 --> 0:42:30.120 But he would never tell me that. He would never like, 0:42:30.360 --> 0:42:35.120 he would never like he didn't tell me that until 0:42:35.200 --> 0:42:37.600 it was over, you know what I mean. Then he 0:42:37.640 --> 0:42:41.080 started telling me stuff that, you know what I mean, like, 0:42:45.120 --> 0:42:52.279 m my motherfucking man dog. When I when I heard 0:42:52.320 --> 0:42:55.279 that Coach Thompson died, I felt like I lost a 0:42:55.360 --> 0:42:58.160 family member. And I never met Coach Thompson in my life. 0:42:58.920 --> 0:43:01.040 But I know what he meant to you. I know 0:43:01.080 --> 0:43:03.359 how close that y'all were, Like, where were you when 0:43:03.400 --> 0:43:14.080 you found out that he died? Yeah, I uh just talked. 0:43:14.400 --> 0:43:18.960 I just talked talked to Ronnie and he was telling 0:43:19.040 --> 0:43:25.920 me like, you're just telling me the coach won't right. 0:43:29.400 --> 0:43:34.440 You're telling him like I don't. You don't got maybe 0:43:34.480 --> 0:43:51.319 a week and next morning, no, man, And I beat 0:43:51.400 --> 0:43:56.520 myself up. I beat myself up and the ship because 0:43:57.640 --> 0:44:02.120 I suppose he went there. I supposed it went there. 0:44:02.320 --> 0:44:06.640 But I'm happy I ain't go you know what I mean, 0:44:06.640 --> 0:44:11.160 because I don't want to see that. I didn't want 0:44:11.160 --> 0:44:15.160 to see that ship. That was my my man. Man, 0:44:15.280 --> 0:44:19.480 man saved my life, you know what I mean, Man 0:44:19.520 --> 0:44:25.279 saved my life, he said, in my life. Did you 0:44:25.320 --> 0:44:31.960 attend the funeral? Mm hmm. Great part about that, man. 0:44:32.160 --> 0:44:35.680 Y'all got some good ass memories together. Man, you know 0:44:35.840 --> 0:44:39.320 that's what life is all about, making new memories, making 0:44:39.360 --> 0:44:43.960 memories and new memories. Bro. And he puts you, put 0:44:44.000 --> 0:44:48.000 you in a position to provide for your entire family 0:44:48.040 --> 0:44:55.440 and all that, all that, all that. Like my kids, 0:44:55.640 --> 0:44:57.680 you know what I mean, they don't want for nothing. 0:44:57.800 --> 0:45:01.359 I can you know what I mean. They don't even 0:45:01.400 --> 0:45:07.080 get out academic scholarship or whatever. He's still going to college. 0:45:07.800 --> 0:45:12.160 You know what I'm saying, Like like I fought for 0:45:12.200 --> 0:45:16.440 this ship, man, Like I I full for this ship, 0:45:17.040 --> 0:45:19.120 you know what I mean? And then like just just 0:45:19.160 --> 0:45:23.280 to be who I am, man, be legendary in this world, 0:45:23.400 --> 0:45:27.160 like motherfucker called me a legend, Like that ship is 0:45:27.160 --> 0:45:33.000 the coolest ship in the world, in the world, straight out, 0:45:33.480 --> 0:45:37.239 straight out the motherfucker hood man from the mud. Man, 0:45:37.280 --> 0:45:39.719 I'm going, I'm, I'm, I'm I want to be better. 0:45:39.840 --> 0:45:43.200 I'm I want to do more, Chip like I want 0:45:43.200 --> 0:45:48.480 to I want to see what we're witnessing right now. Man, 0:45:48.600 --> 0:45:51.480 is the reason why people funk with you. Bro. This 0:45:51.480 --> 0:45:54.640 this is this is it, bro, Like this is why 0:45:55.400 --> 0:45:59.160 we wanted to talk to you. It's like Allen hell, yeah, 0:45:59.280 --> 0:46:01.080 you know what I'm saying, Like we gotta talk to 0:46:01.239 --> 0:46:04.000 we gotta talk to you, you know uh. And I 0:46:04.040 --> 0:46:07.239 think that that's one of the reasons why, one of 0:46:07.239 --> 0:46:10.560 the big the biggest reason why so many people rallied 0:46:10.640 --> 0:46:13.200 behind you anytime you got in a jam or whatever, 0:46:13.280 --> 0:46:15.799 any time that you was facing any type of you know, 0:46:15.920 --> 0:46:19.680 misfortune or whatever. It was just people just was always 0:46:20.160 --> 0:46:24.560 in in in high hopes. Man, But it's boomerang. Is 0:46:27.440 --> 0:46:35.680 ship is boomerang? Like you think that I don't feel 0:46:35.719 --> 0:46:38.480 the same way, the same the sentiments you're giving me. 0:46:38.600 --> 0:46:41.399 Like I feel the same way like I grew up. 0:46:42.320 --> 0:46:44.520 I grew up off y'all, you know what I mean. 0:46:44.560 --> 0:46:47.880 And then this is a fucking honor to me, Like 0:46:48.200 --> 0:46:52.320 this is bucket list ship for me, you know what 0:46:52.360 --> 0:46:56.279 I mean? Like I get a chance. I got a 0:46:56.360 --> 0:46:59.600 chance to go and tell my homeboys, even if they 0:46:59.640 --> 0:47:04.040 don't see this, like this, I did podcast with the 0:47:04.040 --> 0:47:09.920 ghetto boys. Like I get it. I get it, like 0:47:10.000 --> 0:47:11.640 I get it. I get a chance to do this, 0:47:11.640 --> 0:47:13.840 this bucket list ship for me. This is where I 0:47:13.840 --> 0:47:19.440 grew up, idolizing. Yo, I grew up idolizing, y'all, you 0:47:19.440 --> 0:47:21.719 know what I mean. And then look where I'm at. 0:47:22.400 --> 0:47:26.919 You tell me, God don't love me, man, beautiful ship, 0:47:27.560 --> 0:47:30.399 beautiful with something else that was on your bucket list. 0:47:30.440 --> 0:47:32.880 I'm well, I'm wondering if this was on your bucket 0:47:32.880 --> 0:47:36.880 list when you was MC jews. You know, like you 0:47:36.920 --> 0:47:44.759 get sorry, man, I don't do that. And and the 0:47:44.800 --> 0:47:47.319 only reason I was doing that is because my homeboys 0:47:47.560 --> 0:47:50.000 wanted to get on that. So that wasn't was that 0:47:50.040 --> 0:47:51.879 a bucket list thing or it's just something you know, 0:47:52.040 --> 0:47:55.040 just my my homeboys wanted to they was they was rappers, 0:47:55.520 --> 0:47:57.920 you know what I mean, Like he I mean, that's raw, 0:48:00.000 --> 0:48:02.880 you know what I mean. So I did that. I 0:48:02.920 --> 0:48:07.640 did that for them, for my homeboys business doing that. 0:48:11.000 --> 0:48:13.120 But you know, but you know, well, I guess it 0:48:13.200 --> 0:48:15.440 wasn't something that you was passionate about. So you wouldn't 0:48:15.440 --> 0:48:17.359 have missed it in life if you had not done 0:48:17.360 --> 0:48:22.719 it right now and and and then and then at 0:48:22.719 --> 0:48:24.719 the same time, like it cost me a whole bunch 0:48:24.719 --> 0:48:30.960 of problems, like caused me a problems if relationships up. Wow, 0:48:31.440 --> 0:48:34.120 you know what I mean, Like he was doing business 0:48:34.160 --> 0:48:38.080 with your homies. Yea, that ship right there, like doing 0:48:38.080 --> 0:48:43.760 business with your homeboys, and then you love them motherfucker's. 0:48:43.800 --> 0:48:46.920 Like like one of the worst feelings in the world 0:48:47.200 --> 0:48:53.399 is when one of you motherfucker's that you love ship 0:48:53.560 --> 0:48:58.640 on you like a motherfucking I mean sand box motherfucker's 0:48:59.760 --> 0:49:10.240 Like motherfucker's I'm talking about sandbox. Like yeah, and everybody listen, everybody, 0:49:12.040 --> 0:49:23.040 it's fucked up. When it's fucked up, when you turn 0:49:23.120 --> 0:49:29.600 into scarface opposed to Brad Jordan's. It's fucked up. It's 0:49:29.640 --> 0:49:35.200 fucked up when you go from being chucked and motherfucker 0:49:35.280 --> 0:49:37.720 loves some fucking chuck and then all of a sudden 0:49:38.880 --> 0:49:43.400 the AI ship and that's family members, everybody. You know 0:49:43.440 --> 0:49:47.200 what I mean, Like, don't you still love Bubba Chuck man? 0:49:48.480 --> 0:49:51.880 You know what I mean. But when that fucking money 0:49:52.040 --> 0:50:01.719 you get involved jack money, Yeah, money catalyst for a 0:50:01.719 --> 0:50:07.320 lot of a lot of between everything, friends, family, friends, 0:50:07.440 --> 0:50:10.879 that ship. Don't mix cold things for his people though, 0:50:11.200 --> 0:50:15.120 you know what I'm saying. His partners, Yeah, but sent 0:50:15.200 --> 0:50:17.640 them to school to go be in some business. Listen, listen, 0:50:18.120 --> 0:50:22.080 he's a he's a bad motherfucker. He's a smart motherfucker. 0:50:22.760 --> 0:50:34.480 But at the same time, your motherfuckers smart. Yes, I know, 0:50:34.600 --> 0:50:36.960 I say, I know all of my know math, I know, 0:50:37.440 --> 0:50:41.839 I know rich Man, I know Randy, all his homeboys, 0:50:41.960 --> 0:50:45.919 his mama, Mama glow All. I'm smart all them and 0:50:45.920 --> 0:50:50.719 and and and they, and they capitalized off of his greatness, man, 0:50:51.200 --> 0:50:56.359 instead of trying to go be rappers. That that's why, 0:50:56.760 --> 0:51:01.120 that's that's why I'm That's why I subscribe to the 0:51:01.120 --> 0:51:04.440 theory of being able to do business with family and friends, 0:51:04.640 --> 0:51:07.680 because if you really think about it, most of the 0:51:07.760 --> 0:51:11.399 people that got money like loan money, has been having 0:51:11.440 --> 0:51:13.640 generational wealth and even a lot of the people that's 0:51:13.640 --> 0:51:17.839 getting new money. Uh that if you look, if you 0:51:17.880 --> 0:51:23.280 look at all the groups, the White Flag, Asian whatever, 0:51:24.600 --> 0:51:27.160 these people do business with their family members and they 0:51:27.200 --> 0:51:30.120 do business with their friends. Well, it's just that it's 0:51:30.239 --> 0:51:32.200 I think a lot of time for us, we're not 0:51:32.280 --> 0:51:36.279 as discerning. We just automatically take yeah, because you know, 0:51:37.320 --> 0:51:39.920 we're not as picky, you careful with our choices that 0:51:39.960 --> 0:51:42.080 we make with them. Wh who were gonna who are 0:51:42.120 --> 0:51:46.680 gonna put We just automatically that's my homie here, that's 0:51:46.680 --> 0:51:49.000 my sister, that's my brother. No, you know what I'm saying. No, 0:51:49.080 --> 0:51:52.600 they got, they got They have to have some damn 0:51:52.640 --> 0:51:56.560 scruples about themselves. They got to be qualified able to 0:51:56.600 --> 0:52:00.279 do it exactly. And they and they expected they back 0:52:00.440 --> 0:52:05.280 you you, They expect you to do it for them 0:52:05.360 --> 0:52:08.759 because they're them. Just give it to him, right, man. 0:52:08.760 --> 0:52:10.960 If you earn, if you earn your if you earn it, 0:52:11.360 --> 0:52:13.560 then then you got it. But I can't let you 0:52:13.640 --> 0:52:17.200 run my business and you're driving dump trucks all your like, 0:52:17.320 --> 0:52:21.480 Come on, happen. My motherucking man told me. I said, Man, 0:52:21.520 --> 0:52:23.719 he gonna run the company. Man, he gonna do this. 0:52:24.280 --> 0:52:26.840 You know what I mean? He qualified? Man, why he 0:52:26.920 --> 0:52:30.359 got a job. He doing this over here? The funk 0:52:30.400 --> 0:52:33.799 you mean he's qualified to do it? You're not. You 0:52:33.920 --> 0:52:42.920 just want the position because we grew up together. Mm hmm. Yeah. 0:52:42.960 --> 0:52:45.440 If you ever want to funk yourself up, put in you. 0:52:48.520 --> 0:52:49.960 I grew up with this name in your business. If 0:52:49.960 --> 0:52:54.439 you want to be sorry, you got criticized a lot 0:52:54.560 --> 0:52:57.840 for looking after your family and friends, you know, and 0:52:57.960 --> 0:53:00.560 still and still gonna do it for I'm gonna do 0:53:00.640 --> 0:53:04.839 it forever. I'm gonna do it forever. When when when 0:53:04.920 --> 0:53:07.000 you hear but when you hear stuff like that, when 0:53:07.000 --> 0:53:09.600 you hear people saying like, man, man, you could have 0:53:09.640 --> 0:53:11.960 been a lot further. You know, you could be doing this. Woman, Yeah, 0:53:12.000 --> 0:53:14.600 you shouldn't be doing this or whatever. Whatever. You know, 0:53:14.680 --> 0:53:19.440 how do you reconcile that worry about you? Motherfucker, worry 0:53:19.440 --> 0:53:22.440 about you. I'm good, Yeah, me and my family straight, 0:53:23.120 --> 0:53:26.120 we're good, and I'm and I and I can be better, 0:53:26.239 --> 0:53:29.040 and I'm gonna be better. Don't worry about me, Jack, 0:53:29.680 --> 0:53:31.920 don't worry about me. Man, Love me, man, hug me, 0:53:32.120 --> 0:53:34.600 that me up. You know what I mean? All that 0:53:34.680 --> 0:53:39.719 other ship, man, keep my personal business out your motherfucking 0:53:40.440 --> 0:53:43.319 mine out your head. Get it out your head, man, 0:53:44.239 --> 0:53:45.919 you know what I mean. We are right over here. 0:53:47.000 --> 0:53:48.880 We are right over here. I'm over here doing the 0:53:48.920 --> 0:53:53.200 podcast with Willie D and Scarface. I'm I'm over here 0:53:53.239 --> 0:53:57.080 with Brad Jordan's I'm fine. I'm fine. I'm gonna get 0:53:57.120 --> 0:53:59.520 on that plane. I'm gonna go home to that woman 0:53:59.640 --> 0:54:02.440 and i'm kids and kiss them and love them and 0:54:03.320 --> 0:54:07.680 eat real good and and and love on them and 0:54:08.880 --> 0:54:11.759 go out later on the night. Man. Whatever, man, you 0:54:11.760 --> 0:54:14.839 know what I mean. My my, my fans, I'm gonna 0:54:14.840 --> 0:54:17.480 be with them. I'm gonna keep posting on Instagram so 0:54:17.520 --> 0:54:19.560 they can see me being cool. I'm gonna do this 0:54:19.719 --> 0:54:24.800 right here and whatever. Man, I'm gonna live my motherfucking life. 0:54:25.160 --> 0:54:27.640 That's what I'm gonna do. And you worry about yours, man, 0:54:28.080 --> 0:54:31.319 you worry my joy and and and into any hated motherfucker. 0:54:31.800 --> 0:54:36.120 I love you, brother or sister. I love you. Hey, man, 0:54:36.160 --> 0:54:39.560 how are you doing. He's like, all right, okay, because 0:54:39.600 --> 0:54:42.200 I ain't worried about nothing but the fact that you 0:54:42.320 --> 0:54:44.960 all right. That's all I care about. Hey, you all right? 0:54:45.520 --> 0:54:49.560 God bless you, love you. That's it. I ain't got 0:54:49.600 --> 0:54:54.800 time for no negative punk ass ship, no sucker ass, 0:54:56.239 --> 0:55:01.240 nowhere near positive ass ship in life. Man, live laugh, 0:55:01.400 --> 0:55:05.680 take love, man, Yeah, take energy, live laugh love man, 0:55:05.920 --> 0:55:12.400 do that. Concentrate on that. Man. I always wondered, like, well, 0:55:12.560 --> 0:55:17.240 like when you first got to Philadelphia, the city was yours. 0:55:17.640 --> 0:55:24.560 Everybody was, man, Hey, I it's love. Initially you had 0:55:24.560 --> 0:55:30.560 a Did you ever have a good report with Coach Brown? Initially? No? 0:55:30.760 --> 0:55:32.919 Not not so not even day one. He was trying 0:55:32.960 --> 0:55:35.160 to get you to change your style, you know, change 0:55:35.200 --> 0:55:39.719 he was trying to get he was. No, hell no, 0:55:40.800 --> 0:55:43.839 he didn't. Just didn't understand. He didn't understand. I'm hip 0:55:43.880 --> 0:55:48.920 hop dude, I'm a I mean, I'm I'm We're from 0:55:49.120 --> 0:55:52.040 two different parts of the world, you know what I mean. 0:55:52.360 --> 0:55:54.000 So he did not try to get you to change 0:55:54.360 --> 0:55:58.360 your image. No, clean up your image, because you you changed, 0:55:58.480 --> 0:56:02.680 you changed the end be a. He didn't. He was, 0:56:02.760 --> 0:56:05.040 he was. He was trying to get me. He was 0:56:05.040 --> 0:56:07.799 trying to get me to become who I am now. 0:56:08.719 --> 0:56:15.400 God damn, that's what he was doing. Basically, that's my 0:56:15.440 --> 0:56:20.600 motherfucking man, that's my man. I love him to death. Wow, 0:56:20.760 --> 0:56:25.879 so so well, when did the turning point come? Two 0:56:25.920 --> 0:56:28.400 thousand and one? You're a bad motherfucker. Do you know 0:56:28.440 --> 0:56:32.200 what you're doing? You're a bad dude? Two thousand and one. 0:56:32.880 --> 0:56:36.279 I think I made the um two thousand because they 0:56:36.360 --> 0:56:41.040 was gonna trade my ass, and because I couldn't. I 0:56:41.800 --> 0:56:47.000 thought that he was um criticize, criticizing me, and I 0:56:47.000 --> 0:56:54.240 couldn't except um constructive criticism. And then when I found 0:56:54.360 --> 0:56:57.239 when I started to realize that he just loved me 0:56:57.280 --> 0:56:59.960 and wanted what's best for me and the team, then 0:57:00.040 --> 0:57:04.040 that's when I turned from Allen Iverson a good basketball 0:57:04.080 --> 0:57:07.600 player to a Hall of fame. On the night of 0:57:07.640 --> 0:57:09.600 the draft, did you think you were gonna go number one? 0:57:10.000 --> 0:57:14.200 Did you? Did you do? But I ain't know? You know, 0:57:14.360 --> 0:57:16.280 you know how it is with us A you're thinking 0:57:17.360 --> 0:57:19.919 some bullshit gonna jump off? You know what I mean? 0:57:20.040 --> 0:57:22.560 I knew, but I ain't know. And that had to 0:57:22.600 --> 0:57:26.640 be uh crazy feeling man like and just one of 0:57:26.680 --> 0:57:31.680 the best feels out there. We drafted number one in 0:57:31.760 --> 0:57:36.160 the NBA. That's that had to be some damn feeling. Man. 0:57:36.680 --> 0:57:41.000 And when it happened, when the announcement came down, man, 0:57:39.720 --> 0:57:47.520 you know, you know it's crazy Thord Willie like and 0:57:47.560 --> 0:57:51.040 then this ain't no cocky ship, man, I know. Can't 0:57:51.040 --> 0:57:54.960 nobody funk with me? Like I knew that, like I 0:57:55.080 --> 0:58:00.560 knew man, and and everybody in the d have knew it, 0:58:00.840 --> 0:58:03.560 and everybody and all the fans knew it, and all 0:58:03.720 --> 0:58:06.760 and and and and all the organizations they knew it. 0:58:07.920 --> 0:58:10.080 Like who else was in that draft? Like just just 0:58:10.200 --> 0:58:13.520 we had the greatest draft ever. What are some of 0:58:13.560 --> 0:58:16.920 the names we would immediately record? Kobe was thirteen, so 0:58:17.080 --> 0:58:18.680 we're gonna do We're gonna do it like that. He 0:58:18.800 --> 0:58:24.520 was thirteen years no, yes, all right, So that lets 0:58:24.520 --> 0:58:27.480 you know how crazy the draft was if Kobe got 0:58:27.480 --> 0:58:31.360 to be If he thirteen, then you already know how 0:58:31.400 --> 0:58:34.200 crazy the draft is. But Kobe was coming out of 0:58:34.240 --> 0:58:37.320 high school though, what you mean, let's comeing out of 0:58:37.360 --> 0:58:39.200 high school. They didn't, they didn't. They didn't really scout 0:58:39.280 --> 0:58:42.600 him like that, did they he did? I don't know how. 0:58:42.840 --> 0:58:45.800 I don't know how they didn't because if I was 0:58:45.840 --> 0:58:49.400 the seventy sixers, I would have picked them. Oh ship, huh, 0:58:49.840 --> 0:58:51.960 I would not have took Chuck Man just if I 0:58:52.040 --> 0:58:56.920 was so. You were so he was well aware kobe 0:58:57.040 --> 0:58:59.840 skill set. No, I ain't know then, shit, I ain't 0:58:59.840 --> 0:59:02.560 know that. The Lakers didn't know how cold Kobe was, Willie, 0:59:03.760 --> 0:59:07.680 because they let Edie Eddie Jones and Nick Van ex 0:59:07.720 --> 0:59:11.760 So started that ship. They did, and Nick was the guard. Kobe, 0:59:11.840 --> 0:59:16.600 uh Jones was the shooting guard. And man, when adn't 0:59:16.640 --> 0:59:19.840 let Kobe get off that motherfucking bench, I took it. 0:59:19.840 --> 0:59:22.000 It took it. It took a minute. I remember when 0:59:22.120 --> 0:59:24.760 Kobe was shout at that air ball and ship and 0:59:25.600 --> 0:59:29.680 uh no that was that was all right? No, no, no, 0:59:29.800 --> 0:59:31.520 that that was all Star. He shot at the air 0:59:31.560 --> 0:59:33.760 ball in the All Star Game, you know, like he 0:59:33.800 --> 0:59:36.880 was really trying to challenge uh Mike and all that stuff, 0:59:37.680 --> 0:59:40.640 and uh coach shout a ball. He was, but he 0:59:40.760 --> 0:59:43.640 just had that apter like he was fearless. Man, I'm 0:59:43.680 --> 0:59:50.240 shooting the ball anyway, I'm shot this same man, and man, 0:59:51.320 --> 0:59:56.760 Kobe is the baddest motherfucker on two feet to me, 0:59:56.880 --> 1:00:02.360 bro Over, I'm just saying his Mike and Kobe is 1:00:02.400 --> 1:00:07.520 like the same otherfucking to me, Oh Man, black Jesus, 1:00:07.560 --> 1:00:10.800 Black Jesus and the black Mamba, the black Mamba. You 1:00:10.880 --> 1:00:17.960 goddamn right better even alone, say man, ship Man, and 1:00:18.480 --> 1:00:23.000 on and on both ends stone, both ends. Yes, the 1:00:23.280 --> 1:00:26.400 way you know he patted his style after exactly that's 1:00:26.440 --> 1:00:29.200 why you got it in Like then, Mike, then if 1:00:29.240 --> 1:00:32.400 you if you ask Kobe who was the best, he 1:00:32.440 --> 1:00:36.920 would say, Mike, I'll give hi, Mike. I got Kobe 1:00:36.920 --> 1:00:38.720 and Mike neck and neck. Even if I stole my 1:00:38.840 --> 1:00:46.520 rap style from you, I'm gonna kill you with your 1:00:46.560 --> 1:00:49.760 own style. Bro oh ship and Kobe killed Mike with 1:00:49.840 --> 1:00:55.800 his own ship. You like so you do me and 1:00:55.840 --> 1:00:58.480 I do you. You don't want to funk with me 1:00:59.760 --> 1:01:02.760 what I left my neighborhood. I don't give a funk 1:01:02.760 --> 1:01:05.160 when I left my neighborhood to make this big break, 1:01:05.440 --> 1:01:08.480 I promised my road dog said, I dedicate a super 1:01:08.560 --> 1:01:10.720 jam to the hood that is sharp as a sickle. 1:01:10.880 --> 1:01:13.000 So here it is fifth Ward, better known as the 1:01:13.120 --> 1:01:15.560 Nickel Willie, I'll fuck you up with your own ship. 1:01:17.560 --> 1:01:23.640 That's Willie. Hey. Look, hey, look, Alice, Hey, this is 1:01:23.680 --> 1:01:28.840 my life. This is my life. What I get, motherfucker, 1:01:29.200 --> 1:01:34.120 look what I get? Come on, man, come on. So 1:01:34.120 --> 1:01:36.160 so that was really ship. I was just reck really 1:01:36.160 --> 1:01:39.120 with his own ship and and and and and and 1:01:39.480 --> 1:01:42.360 got a bad bitch in every state. Yeah, but I 1:01:42.400 --> 1:01:44.840 really can't say that like me, it ain't gonna work. 1:01:46.320 --> 1:01:53.640 But Kobe did Mike to the point, I hold on, 1:01:53.680 --> 1:01:56.040 I ain't supposed to use that because my old lady 1:01:56.040 --> 1:01:59.800 gonna say that. I just said that off big dog status. 1:02:00.800 --> 1:02:02.600 Take that shot, you know it just played it for 1:02:02.680 --> 1:02:08.280 that nothing. Take that whatever that is. We will will 1:02:09.560 --> 1:02:11.720 that right now, take it out. But I can just 1:02:11.920 --> 1:02:13.840 I can tell her I was wrapping your song. Yeah, 1:02:13.840 --> 1:02:16.880 but I was just wrapping really ship. But but Kobe 1:02:16.880 --> 1:02:21.919 did Mike, in my opinion, better than Mike did Mike. 1:02:23.000 --> 1:02:25.480 Not better then, but just as good as Mike did. 1:02:25.600 --> 1:02:32.240 Mike Man Kobe, Mike and Kobe and then Lebron for me, 1:02:32.680 --> 1:02:37.520 and then and then and then Steph and shot. You 1:02:37.560 --> 1:02:41.040 know what is a bad motherfucker that don't get his props. 1:02:41.400 --> 1:02:45.080 He don't get credit like he's supposed to. I'll give 1:02:44.760 --> 1:02:49.640 I wanted the best. But yeah, but all the big 1:02:49.680 --> 1:02:51.800 all the big men say that though, Yeah, but why 1:02:51.840 --> 1:02:54.040 he ain't in that list? The big men? Though? What 1:02:54.080 --> 1:02:58.120 you mean when people were like when people just talking 1:02:58.160 --> 1:03:01.720 in general, they seldom mentioned you want to kill all 1:03:01.760 --> 1:03:05.480 of the big centers and shack my black shack don't 1:03:05.480 --> 1:03:07.760 want nothing, no parts of Elijah one. And that's my daughter. 1:03:08.960 --> 1:03:11.760 It's Elijah one, and there's a larger one, and then 1:03:11.800 --> 1:03:14.920 it's all the rest of the month along. It's uh, 1:03:15.040 --> 1:03:20.040 who else? Right? The Admiral, he don't want none here 1:03:20.040 --> 1:03:22.360 in the top five. He still don't want none. Patrick, 1:03:22.400 --> 1:03:25.280 you want you don't want none. I ain't saying I'm 1:03:25.360 --> 1:03:28.480 just naming a little longly damn show it on. Don't know, 1:03:29.280 --> 1:03:31.360 you can't put him in that man? You know what 1:03:31.760 --> 1:03:36.000 you can fest of all? You gotta mention the You 1:03:36.080 --> 1:03:39.720 gotta mention Bill Bill Russell. Man, you can't. You don't 1:03:39.760 --> 1:03:48.320 want none, but that Bill Russell is. That's like if 1:03:48.320 --> 1:03:50.400 you want to say the best, then if you want 1:03:50.400 --> 1:03:53.280 to say the best basketball player ever stat wise, we 1:03:53.280 --> 1:03:55.200 gotta say, man, what was playing with a little short 1:03:55.240 --> 1:03:58.560 white guys? It's a difference. No, we can't just go 1:03:58.640 --> 1:04:01.400 on the stats. We we you got to look at 1:04:01.400 --> 1:04:04.880 the competition level. Elijah one is the baddest center on too. 1:04:05.120 --> 1:04:07.440 Had to play against the baddest centers and then you 1:04:07.520 --> 1:04:11.760 can't forget about Big Mo. Mo was crazy. Was the 1:04:12.280 --> 1:04:16.960 funny as dude to man. Love that love you Mo. 1:04:17.560 --> 1:04:22.000 Rest in peace, my brother, sir, Yes, yes, sir, moment alone. 1:04:22.320 --> 1:04:28.200 That's my dog. Yeah, great, goddamn guy for real Virginia Natives. 1:04:28.720 --> 1:04:33.720 I'm right, hey, Alan, when you left uh Philadelphia, you know, 1:04:34.040 --> 1:04:37.320 I mean, did you feel unappreciated? You know when they 1:04:37.320 --> 1:04:42.600 when they traded you, all right, when you went to them, 1:04:42.760 --> 1:04:56.160 they they didn't. They weren't trying to. I can't, I can't. 1:04:56.200 --> 1:04:57.960 I don't want to say this. I don't want to say. 1:04:58.120 --> 1:04:59.560 I don't. I don't want to say I don't want 1:04:59.560 --> 1:05:02.840 to say what they were doing. But they weren't doing 1:05:03.160 --> 1:05:05.640 what was right. So I was happy when Alan. When 1:05:05.680 --> 1:05:11.080 Alan left Philadelphia, the focus shifted from Philadelphia to the Nuggets. 1:05:11.080 --> 1:05:15.080 You know that the Nuggets was fucking feared. Nobody wanted 1:05:15.120 --> 1:05:19.040 to see. We just couldn't get bad. So yeah, we 1:05:19.040 --> 1:05:22.920 couldn't get past Mamba and and and um Tim Duncan 1:05:23.440 --> 1:05:29.240 like we was bad. We couldn't. We couldn't do nothing 1:05:29.240 --> 1:05:32.280 with them them dudes, who did y'all have at at 1:05:32.400 --> 1:05:38.480 at Center? Marcus Camby, Huh fuck? We was bad, y'all 1:05:38.520 --> 1:05:41.919 as bad as cant at the four mellow at three, 1:05:43.120 --> 1:05:47.960 as bad as motherfucker. We just couldn't with the giants. Man, 1:05:49.000 --> 1:05:52.800 We couldn't sunk with them, do them dudes? Is we 1:05:52.800 --> 1:05:54.760 was well? Coach that I was just want to say, 1:05:56.080 --> 1:05:58.760 but we was going against Pop and we was going 1:05:58.800 --> 1:06:04.280 against Mamma and Shank like we lost those two years 1:06:05.280 --> 1:06:11.760 and then that's when the bullshit happened. I went to mother. 1:06:12.000 --> 1:06:15.320 I thought going to Detroit was gonna be the greatest 1:06:15.640 --> 1:06:19.360 I was gonna be playing with being big being. I 1:06:19.400 --> 1:06:25.160 mean no, no, what's being at had to be? Man. Look, 1:06:26.240 --> 1:06:29.280 I love them dudes, and I'm still cool with with 1:06:29.280 --> 1:06:36.360 with them dudes. Man, they didn't want to see Chauncey 1:06:36.400 --> 1:06:39.920 League and I love chaunce That's my that's my homeboy. 1:06:40.240 --> 1:06:42.840 Them dudes ain't want to see Chauncey gold Man. It 1:06:42.960 --> 1:06:45.760 won't right. Like when I got the call that morning, 1:06:46.160 --> 1:06:50.280 I thought it was the greatest situation ever for me 1:06:50.440 --> 1:06:53.720 to win a championship, you know what I mean. But 1:06:54.440 --> 1:07:00.360 obviously me and ripped with two guys so you gotta 1:07:00.440 --> 1:07:04.280 play me at the point, and you gotta play you 1:07:04.320 --> 1:07:08.120 gotta play Ripped at the two. But they wanted they 1:07:08.200 --> 1:07:14.720 was invested in Stucky. Yeah, like that was that was 1:07:14.760 --> 1:07:16.640 the old because we was getting our ass whip because 1:07:16.640 --> 1:07:20.640 we had to start um Tay Shawn at the four 1:07:21.240 --> 1:07:24.360 and Sheet at the five. Rip was at the three. 1:07:25.640 --> 1:07:29.560 I was at the two, and Stucky was at the one. 1:07:30.160 --> 1:07:34.440 And they didn't they was invested in and Stucky, you 1:07:34.440 --> 1:07:38.320 know what I mean. And then Motherucker's telling me, I 1:07:38.320 --> 1:07:41.400 would never tell you to come off the bench, and 1:07:41.400 --> 1:07:48.240 this is that in the third and it was a lie. 1:07:48.960 --> 1:07:53.120 We stepped away from the game in two thousand teen. 1:07:54.440 --> 1:07:58.040 I'm telling you was team I'm tripping when you stepped 1:07:58.040 --> 1:08:02.080 away from the game in that year, whatever year it 1:08:02.200 --> 1:08:05.200 was in that year, when you stepped away from the game, 1:08:06.480 --> 1:08:11.040 I'm sure like before you ever step away from the game, 1:08:11.400 --> 1:08:14.600 you start getting closer to that time and then you're 1:08:14.600 --> 1:08:18.639 thinking in your head, Okay, I gotta transition when it's 1:08:18.640 --> 1:08:22.599 gonna come. Was there a lot of anxiety that like 1:08:22.600 --> 1:08:25.519 like when I leave basketball, like damn, what am I 1:08:25.520 --> 1:08:28.120 gonna do? I was ready, he was already ready, ready, 1:08:28.400 --> 1:08:32.720 ready to go. Um. I knew she was sucked up. 1:08:33.320 --> 1:08:36.880 When I went to Detroit and I couldn't have my number. 1:08:37.720 --> 1:08:40.800 Like I got off the plane. You know, Stucky was like, man, 1:08:40.880 --> 1:08:43.679 I'm I'm give you the number, you know what I mean? 1:08:43.960 --> 1:08:48.240 And I got off the plane and um, the David 1:08:48.280 --> 1:08:56.320 Stern he um, Kobe changed his number from eight four. 1:08:58.040 --> 1:09:05.240 So when I um, and I guess he just funck 1:09:05.320 --> 1:09:09.160 money up for the NBA, you know the number changed 1:09:09.160 --> 1:09:14.080 his number and you know what I mean. And I couldn't. 1:09:14.439 --> 1:09:17.000 I couldn't get I couldn't change my number. So I 1:09:17.040 --> 1:09:19.880 had to wear one. And I knew, yeah, and I 1:09:19.920 --> 1:09:22.639 knew it was fucked up, like even though I wore 1:09:22.640 --> 1:09:25.000 it when I was little, Like every time I put 1:09:25.080 --> 1:09:30.040 my jersey on, like she didn't feel right. You know 1:09:30.080 --> 1:09:32.760 what I mean, I'm number three, but what what was 1:09:32.800 --> 1:09:36.000 there any significance to the number three? My high school 1:09:36.040 --> 1:09:43.960 coach game? So and then hold on another George sound story. Um, 1:09:44.000 --> 1:09:47.520 I remember, um, we had our first game at Georgetown 1:09:48.120 --> 1:09:49.519 and I went in my locker and I had him 1:09:49.520 --> 1:09:53.599 a fifteen and I was like, coach, you know my number, 1:09:54.240 --> 1:09:56.720 it's three, you know what I mean? He was like 1:09:56.800 --> 1:10:00.439 motherfucker around here, we give you you know the number 1:10:00.479 --> 1:10:01.960 we want to give you. You know what I mean. 1:10:02.000 --> 1:10:03.479 I don't know what the funk you think you're doing, 1:10:04.000 --> 1:10:06.240 you know what I mean? And I went, um, we 1:10:06.280 --> 1:10:10.639 had shoot around, I went back to my dorm, came 1:10:10.680 --> 1:10:13.040 back for the game. Number three was in the lock 1:10:15.760 --> 1:10:22.080 Listen man. Coach. Coach John Thompson seemed to have an 1:10:22.080 --> 1:10:25.439 affection for the word motherfucker. Is that why you say 1:10:25.520 --> 1:10:30.080 motherfucker so much? Man? He that's that? That's yeah, that's 1:10:30.120 --> 1:10:34.920 my that's my name. Like he said that to me, like, 1:10:35.080 --> 1:10:40.720 your name is motherfucker and prodigal prodigal sign? Yeah? Is 1:10:40.920 --> 1:10:48.400 that is that? It is that it prodigal sign, prodicle, Yeah, 1:10:48.680 --> 1:10:51.960 motherfucker and prodigal song. That is that was my name? 1:10:52.360 --> 1:10:56.200 That That is funny as here. Man. We'll get on 1:10:56.200 --> 1:10:59.559 the phone. We'll get on the phone and and and 1:11:00.479 --> 1:11:02.840 what's up, coach. I just want to just call you 1:11:02.880 --> 1:11:07.840 a motherfucker and tell you I love you. Boom like 1:11:07.920 --> 1:11:13.800 them coach, my man, uh my man, do you have 1:11:13.880 --> 1:11:22.240 a foundation? No talking about coolball? I mean basketball. I 1:11:22.240 --> 1:11:26.720 don't know no coaching why because it's hard to tell 1:11:26.720 --> 1:11:29.200 a momus k coach. He's one of the greatest to 1:11:29.240 --> 1:11:32.439 do it. Great players can I just, I just, I just. 1:11:32.960 --> 1:11:37.920 Great players don't make good coaches. No man, A motherfucker 1:11:38.080 --> 1:11:41.880 that um, I don't think a mother sucker like you. 1:11:41.960 --> 1:11:44.599 Gotta be a bad motherfucker to be a coach. Coach, 1:11:44.640 --> 1:11:49.240 football coach make way more money than you, you know 1:11:49.240 --> 1:11:51.760 what I mean. And you gotta get them to listen 1:11:51.800 --> 1:11:55.960 to you and and and believe in in in your 1:11:56.000 --> 1:12:00.519 strategy and your you know everything. You gotta man to 1:12:00.560 --> 1:12:02.479 be a coach in the NBA. You gotta be a 1:12:02.479 --> 1:12:06.760 bad motherfucker. Man. But abud in high school, I would 1:12:06.760 --> 1:12:12.400 go back to my high school and coach. They coach 1:12:12.680 --> 1:12:15.120 high school. Man, I don't have I don't. I don't 1:12:15.160 --> 1:12:18.960 have the patience. I don't have a patience. You ain't 1:12:19.000 --> 1:12:21.360 doing what are you doing? You mean? I take care 1:12:21.400 --> 1:12:25.400 of my kids and that's I and I'll hang with 1:12:25.439 --> 1:12:31.920 my homeboys. I ain't even I ain't live my life. 1:12:32.000 --> 1:12:35.400 I had that that that that right there is too 1:12:35.479 --> 1:12:40.400 much and it's an obligation and it's you gotta give 1:12:40.479 --> 1:12:43.640 everything and I ain't and I know I can't. I 1:12:43.640 --> 1:12:46.679 ain't depriving nobody or nothing. Man, I'm not doing that. Ship. 1:12:47.479 --> 1:12:49.599 I don't think. I don't think great. Can you can 1:12:49.600 --> 1:12:53.680 you name a great player, was a good coach? You can't, 1:12:53.960 --> 1:13:01.360 you can't. I can't. Uh Jason Kids, Jason kid fantastic? 1:13:01.560 --> 1:13:07.560 Uh Jackson Bill Jackson fucking fantastic because he was no 1:13:07.640 --> 1:13:10.200 fucking great player. He wasn't no great player. But he's 1:13:10.200 --> 1:13:13.280 a great we're talking about. We just said you you 1:13:13.439 --> 1:13:17.439 said great player. He wasn't no great, He was not 1:13:17.520 --> 1:13:21.519 no great. Hold on, hold on, will James Kidd j 1:13:21.840 --> 1:13:26.479 D j As the kidd, don't sucking uh man, man, 1:13:26.560 --> 1:13:30.040 let me talk bro Listen, what's the kid named uh 1:13:30.120 --> 1:13:35.760 that play with get his medicine? No, no, he gave 1:13:35.800 --> 1:13:37.600 the kid, he gave it. He gave the team to 1:13:37.680 --> 1:13:42.040 cur They took the team from Jackson was a badass player, Willie. 1:13:42.479 --> 1:13:44.479 Mark Jackson was a bad player. But I don't think 1:13:44.479 --> 1:13:48.160 Mark Jackson was a great player. He was a good player, 1:13:48.160 --> 1:13:50.400 he wasn't great. Don't say that. I love that, man. 1:13:50.680 --> 1:13:53.960 What about Rudy Tom sign of a huh, Rudy Tom 1:13:54.000 --> 1:13:55.880 sign of a bitch? You know what, I think Rudy 1:13:55.960 --> 1:14:01.599 was nice. I think talking great out It was not great. 1:14:02.000 --> 1:14:05.200 He was not great. He was good. Okay, well Patrick, 1:14:05.240 --> 1:14:08.640 you perhaps Patrick Ewing and I'm done. Yeah, you got it, 1:14:08.720 --> 1:14:10.800 you got that one. Not not a good coach though, 1:14:14.200 --> 1:14:17.120 we done, we finished. I'm just saying, man, you know, 1:14:21.520 --> 1:14:25.400 suggestive anyway, right, it's all suggestive anyway, right, man, Hey, 1:14:25.439 --> 1:14:28.920 look my Georgetown dude. Man shout out the Pat Many 1:14:30.960 --> 1:14:38.519 Pat coach. Yeah he can, he can. Hell yeah, tell 1:14:38.600 --> 1:14:43.040 us a story about Pat. And when y'all play, tell 1:14:43.080 --> 1:14:45.679 you I got it, I got I got crazy stories 1:14:45.880 --> 1:14:49.280 all right, um, Pat, we're playing them, were playing the Knicks. 1:14:50.360 --> 1:14:55.559 Motherfucker said who got me tonight? Chuck said, Scott Scott 1:14:55.600 --> 1:14:59.840 win fifty. That's what he said to me? Who said that? 1:15:00.240 --> 1:15:02.640 That said that when you're playing with the Knicks and 1:15:02.720 --> 1:15:08.719 you playing with it, he said, who guard me? I said, 1:15:09.320 --> 1:15:19.360 Scott whim fifty and win and got it? Yeah? Hey, 1:15:19.400 --> 1:15:21.200 did you have a you have a punch? Don't Pat 1:15:21.600 --> 1:15:24.320 slammed on his last Who you slam down? That would 1:15:24.320 --> 1:15:28.400 be like, damn, did you slam on Barkley? Mm hmm, 1:15:28.800 --> 1:15:35.240 fuck you slam on nobody? Good? Huh, terrible, man, you 1:15:35.320 --> 1:15:40.880 are awful. I ain't gonna say I ain't gonna I 1:15:40.880 --> 1:15:42.599 ain't gonna say. I ain't gonna say who I did. 1:15:42.640 --> 1:15:51.599 Don't you they know, walk us through the day that 1:15:51.840 --> 1:15:54.479 you crossed up who many people believe is the goat, 1:15:54.479 --> 1:15:58.360 even yourself when you crossed up Michael Jordan's I can 1:15:58.360 --> 1:16:01.760 tell you what happened? How was how was that? Like? 1:16:01.800 --> 1:16:06.120 When that happened? And let me start let me started 1:16:06.160 --> 1:16:08.800 off think about it. He started off. So here's a 1:16:08.840 --> 1:16:10.559 high wind, like they was trying to see each other 1:16:10.600 --> 1:16:12.840 for the first time. Man, why are you screaming? Bro 1:16:13.560 --> 1:16:15.880 I'm excited about this moment because I was one of 1:16:15.920 --> 1:16:19.000 the one of like, oh ship man, hey the answer? 1:16:20.040 --> 1:16:22.080 What did they called them? Like? It was like Alan 1:16:22.160 --> 1:16:24.439 was the answer. They was always looking for somebody to 1:16:24.760 --> 1:16:28.479 tell Jordan and said they were like as an answer man, tonight, 1:16:29.360 --> 1:16:31.920 Jordan getting ready, Jordan and Ivison going to go head up. 1:16:32.320 --> 1:16:35.200 And when Alan touched the ball, everybody in the house 1:16:35.200 --> 1:16:39.320 stand up like, oh ship and we waited and he 1:16:39.400 --> 1:16:41.519 hit it at boop boop, and Jordan was over here. 1:16:42.439 --> 1:16:44.120 And then we make this part up that he was like, yeah, 1:16:44.200 --> 1:16:46.840 they come here. He got back in front of win 1:16:47.000 --> 1:16:49.600 boo boo boom. He was over here. And join was 1:16:49.640 --> 1:16:53.960 over there and he damn the failed No, the motherfucker 1:16:54.080 --> 1:16:59.400 almost blocked the ship. Still that's how nice he was. Yeah, 1:16:59.560 --> 1:17:02.439 he's still almost blocked it. We see that, you kin. 1:17:04.160 --> 1:17:10.280 You know you really kind of sucking up moves and ship. Man, Really, 1:17:10.360 --> 1:17:12.360 I know you the last month in this world to 1:17:12.400 --> 1:17:15.760 be talking about the way you be hogging. What's wrong 1:17:15.800 --> 1:17:21.599 with hogging? Look, I'm gonna just say this right here 1:17:21.640 --> 1:17:26.160 because I want to on this podcast. I sucked your 1:17:26.160 --> 1:17:37.360 crossover up. I know I did. Man, Look what that's 1:17:37.400 --> 1:17:39.519 That's the last person I want to see. But still 1:17:39.960 --> 1:17:43.640 I don't want to look at him. He looks from 1:17:43.960 --> 1:17:46.080 two thirty three years. I do not want to look 1:17:46.080 --> 1:17:49.600 at him. Understand, just understand where I'm coming from. That 1:17:49.720 --> 1:17:56.320 ship loyalty and love. That ship have no love and 1:17:56.360 --> 1:18:00.479 no loyalty for me. Yeah, yeah, why are you here? 1:18:00.520 --> 1:18:06.240 We're just here. We just heard see because I'm gonna 1:18:06.280 --> 1:18:11.240 tell you something broke, Like this guy is incorrigible. I mean, 1:18:11.280 --> 1:18:14.799 he's just a very difficult person to deal with, and 1:18:14.920 --> 1:18:18.720 you know, like and it's always super bad when he 1:18:18.760 --> 1:18:22.280 doesn't take his medicine. When he don't get his medication. Ship, 1:18:23.040 --> 1:18:25.639 who knows. I don't know how. We don't know how 1:18:25.640 --> 1:18:33.200 it's gonna turn out. Man, Bro, that's so fucking wrong. Bro. Yeah, 1:18:33.479 --> 1:18:36.920 I just thought that I could be honest with And 1:18:36.960 --> 1:18:41.960 I don't even take medicine. You don't take it anymore? 1:18:47.320 --> 1:18:52.880 This ship? Bro? What other business ventures that you pursuing 1:18:52.880 --> 1:18:57.120 that you can talk? Man, I'm a man. That ain't 1:18:57.120 --> 1:19:00.559 what I do. That ain't what I that. That ain't 1:19:00.600 --> 1:19:04.719 that ain't what I do. Um Um getting ready to 1:19:04.800 --> 1:19:11.719 um do a couple of restaurants and franchise Scratch in Atlanta, 1:19:13.720 --> 1:19:20.679 so food. I'm me. You know what's so fool all 1:19:20.760 --> 1:19:23.400 that all that ship that we don't supposed to do, 1:19:24.360 --> 1:19:26.280 all that ship that we don't supposed to love it? 1:19:26.479 --> 1:19:28.720 I want to buy into that too. Yeah, I'm I'm 1:19:28.840 --> 1:19:34.360 man and and I'm i'm um. We got new owners 1:19:35.080 --> 1:19:38.760 at Rebook. You know what I mean? You still have 1:19:38.760 --> 1:19:42.240 a contract with Hell are you talking about? You ain't 1:19:42.280 --> 1:19:45.479 going nowhere? Yeah? You change that going away? You know 1:19:45.520 --> 1:19:50.479 what you Let me tell you. I love money, man, 1:19:51.280 --> 1:19:54.240 I love money. I love it, you know what I mean? 1:19:54.360 --> 1:19:57.719 I love it? And and these motherfucker's are the most 1:19:57.960 --> 1:20:04.920 loyal people to Dog because they realized and they understand 1:20:05.400 --> 1:20:10.800 that I didn't make them because it was reboked before me. 1:20:11.520 --> 1:20:17.479 But they got loyalty to me because they know what 1:20:17.600 --> 1:20:20.639 I did for them. I said, you didn't make them, 1:20:20.640 --> 1:20:24.880 but she pretty much saved him. I don't know, I 1:20:24.880 --> 1:20:28.320 don't don't don't no, I don't know what what Lebron 1:20:29.479 --> 1:20:34.000 Lebron came in and took over. Um. But before that, 1:20:35.000 --> 1:20:36.800 when the when them kicks, it was me and Mike. 1:20:39.000 --> 1:20:41.400 That was it. He was number one always and I 1:20:41.439 --> 1:20:44.240 was number two. Now where I'm at now, I don't know, 1:20:46.439 --> 1:20:51.479 but the road to ship is still with it. Hey, 1:20:51.479 --> 1:21:00.760 how old are your boys? Twenty five eighteen eight team? 1:21:00.880 --> 1:21:07.160 They ever played sports? They get it. Let's leave that 1:21:07.240 --> 1:21:11.439 one out here. Let's leave out I talked about my girl, 1:21:12.560 --> 1:21:16.559 and I talked about my mom, talk about my youngest son, 1:21:16.840 --> 1:21:20.920 my eighteen year maybe hooping. I would no can playing football? 1:21:24.160 --> 1:21:28.760 Go ahead, Hey, look the mics alive, so you know 1:21:28.800 --> 1:21:34.800 what I say? Yeah, keep that ship too. It's like 1:21:34.880 --> 1:21:42.280 when I said that, so up, I will dude off camera. 1:21:43.080 --> 1:21:47.599 So what do your girls do? Model one of them 1:21:47.640 --> 1:21:50.960 as a model, one of them a fashion designer, and 1:21:51.640 --> 1:21:54.000 the little one of Hooper and they both roped and 1:21:54.080 --> 1:21:57.880 they rob They robbed you blind up for sure. I 1:21:57.920 --> 1:22:01.320 know about the live girl, but don't forget dum. I 1:22:01.400 --> 1:22:02.840 want to I want to tell you about that off 1:22:02.920 --> 1:22:09.040 camera because Dr Mix is live. We'll wait till love camera. Yeah. 1:22:09.800 --> 1:22:11.760 How often do you go back to Virginia and and 1:22:12.840 --> 1:22:16.200 your people all the time? Yeah? I love my family. 1:22:16.280 --> 1:22:20.280 I can't stand being home was born and then, um, 1:22:21.479 --> 1:22:25.840 it costs too much. Oh yeah, he's on something. Yeah, man, 1:22:26.040 --> 1:22:28.160 I was looking at this brand new Lexus man ship 1:22:28.360 --> 1:22:30.840 costs him one. When you go down, when you go 1:22:31.000 --> 1:22:37.200 back to you make sure you got cash. No, hey, hey, Cay, 1:22:38.240 --> 1:22:44.080 you hear what he's saying. What'd you tell me? Don't 1:22:44.120 --> 1:22:48.880 go down there with no damn cash? Hell no, you 1:22:49.040 --> 1:22:51.400 got a card? Yeah? I just got my card, man, 1:22:51.560 --> 1:22:56.960 that's it. I just got my choice. I love it. Man. Well, 1:22:58.320 --> 1:23:01.600 we really appreciate you coming of y'all do and and 1:23:01.760 --> 1:23:05.120 and and then y'all let me get certain shoot off 1:23:05.200 --> 1:23:09.640 my chest, you know, for my fans. Yeah, you know, 1:23:10.600 --> 1:23:13.639 to know the dude is all right in a good space. 1:23:14.400 --> 1:23:18.840 I love he went to Ghetto Boys with the he 1:23:19.040 --> 1:23:21.840 Man and it's just good to see you doing good. Bro, 1:23:22.760 --> 1:23:26.040 and it's and it's always, it's always one thousand percent 1:23:26.200 --> 1:23:28.040 love when we see each other, even if we ain't 1:23:28.080 --> 1:23:29.960 talked to you since he was in New York at 1:23:30.000 --> 1:23:34.960 the damn uh yeah I know it was you. Yeah, yeah, 1:23:34.960 --> 1:23:40.040 he know me. He was in my room. How long 1:23:40.080 --> 1:23:44.120 ago was this? I was before? Is this what Maul 1:23:44.280 --> 1:23:47.960 was there? Right? Guys had to be like what five six, seven, 1:23:48.240 --> 1:23:52.360 seven years? Maybe seven years ago? This is when the 1:23:52.439 --> 1:23:58.280 other half of him left? Yeah, like nik, that's face, 1:23:59.000 --> 1:24:01.439 Like you know, I ain't you say that. I walked 1:24:01.520 --> 1:24:05.280 by you and you said the mall yo, the motherfucker 1:24:05.479 --> 1:24:07.800 all at me and then mall told me. I was like, man, 1:24:07.800 --> 1:24:13.519 I didn't know that was him? Yeah, yes, wow, yes 1:24:14.960 --> 1:24:19.240 yeah man. And I thank y'all man, No, I thank 1:24:19.320 --> 1:24:22.080 you Bro, Thank y'all. Man, I thank y'all. This I 1:24:22.160 --> 1:24:24.680 can't wait and I want I can't wait to see it. 1:24:26.280 --> 1:24:28.320 I can't wait for my family to see it. You 1:24:28.360 --> 1:24:31.360 know what I mean. I appreciate y'all. Man. Well, we 1:24:31.439 --> 1:24:34.040 ain't got none but the ultimate love and respect for you, 1:24:34.600 --> 1:24:40.479 really am and bro, and you did ship talking motherfucker 1:24:42.160 --> 1:24:46.080 for me today? Did you do it today or because 1:24:46.080 --> 1:24:47.680 I listened to it on the way of it. It 1:24:47.800 --> 1:24:50.479 was a couple of days ago. Yeah yeah, and I 1:24:50.880 --> 1:24:57.559 you know, miss I don't know, you know what I mean, 1:24:57.640 --> 1:25:00.920 because because because I love all parties like I love 1:25:01.080 --> 1:25:03.240 I love all parties. Yeah, you know what I mean. 1:25:03.439 --> 1:25:08.280 I love all parties. So man, we love you all 1:25:08.920 --> 1:25:13.000 like you you're You're appreciate you a real superhero to us, 1:25:14.240 --> 1:25:21.719 ladies and gentlemen. Hey, Alan Iverson, a real Black Chuck, 1:25:22.479 --> 1:25:27.960 real black superhero. 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