Speaker 1: Yeah, gett boys, it's back and reloaded all in your mind. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and now deep throating. This is for the streets, the reel,
Speaker 1: the railroaded, the distant franchise, the truth, the scapegoating, and
Speaker 1: they ain't knowing we speak the truth, so they ain't
Speaker 1: quoted because we wrote it. The North South East Coat
Speaker 1: g b B for keeping your head bobbing. It ain't
Speaker 1: no stopping and wants to be drops by. And then
Speaker 1: the system is so corrupt they throw the rock out
Speaker 1: their heads and then blame it on us. Don't get
Speaker 1: it twisted on code and we danceing for no buttament biscuits.
Speaker 1: It's Willie d y'all scarf faces in the building. Collective
Speaker 1: Louis are the ghett old Boys, loaded reloaded with another
Speaker 1: episode of information and instructions to help you navigate through
Speaker 1: this wild, crazy, beautiful world. In the studio eleven time,
Speaker 1: n b A All Star, n B A All Star,
Speaker 1: m VP, MVP of the nb A. We're talking all
Speaker 1: of fame. Wait, let me let me put something in there.
Speaker 1: Nigger cross Jordan and told him come in and did
Speaker 1: him again, popped on him. Family Hubba Chuck is in
Speaker 1: the building, Man, do you know what. What's so dope
Speaker 1: is Willie d Is saying this to me like my nickname,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean? And I know what I
Speaker 1: did or whatever, like y'all don't know how I looked
Speaker 1: up to y'all like Alan, you you bro. I we
Speaker 1: were sitting in the presence of greatness right now. Bro, Allen,
Speaker 1: do you know that he was about this tall you
Speaker 1: were you were crumbling on niggas coming down like wow,
Speaker 1: like look at this little bit a nigger coming down
Speaker 1: there with the with with a heart like fucking mighty mouth.
Speaker 1: The feeling is, the feeling is mutual. It's mutual, you
Speaker 1: know what I mean. I got up on y'all dudes, tough, tough,
Speaker 1: just and my man, you know what I mean. I
Speaker 1: grew up on y'all like mall yeah, hey, with my
Speaker 1: cour I don't know anybody that don't like Alan Irison.
Speaker 1: I do probably people that were more man haters, got
Speaker 1: haters hate us, hate on hate us a lot of times.
Speaker 1: A lot of times people hate hate on you because
Speaker 1: they want to be They wish they were you, so
Speaker 1: oh they really hated If you won't, I don't know
Speaker 1: if you want this life, but but Um, if I
Speaker 1: can do it all over again, I'll do it this way.
Speaker 1: I come back the same dude. She mean, I love
Speaker 1: the people that love me. I love him yeah too hard. Yeah,
Speaker 1: Like you know, I don't want to be I don't
Speaker 1: want to be nobody else. I love being me, you
Speaker 1: know what I mean? Do I want more for my life?
Speaker 1: Do I want better and all that ship? Yeah, but
Speaker 1: I'm cool with being me. Jack did that. Jack sucked
Speaker 1: them up. Let's go back to your humble beginnings. Man Hampton,
Speaker 1: Virginia Happening Newport News. I'm I'm I'm I'm seven cities. Yeah,
Speaker 1: because people get piste off me when one place. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you gotta you gotta claim. Yeah, I'm I'm Virginia's That's fine, Virginia.
Speaker 1: Let's go. Let's go back to Virginia, you know, like
Speaker 1: where it all started. Uh. And I say humble beginners
Speaker 1: because it's not just a figure speech. I mean, like
Speaker 1: you're a humble dude to have accomplished all the things
Speaker 1: that you've accomplished, and you know, to be at the
Speaker 1: level that that you're at, and and and haven't done
Speaker 1: all the things that you've done, you know, throughout the
Speaker 1: whole process. I remember when you know you was going
Speaker 1: through all the crazy things that you was going through,
Speaker 1: you remained humble the entire time. And I think that's
Speaker 1: your blessing. You know, you were raised by a single mother.
Speaker 1: Your mother asked, my, my, my, my pap? Was my pap?
Speaker 1: Was your pops in the house? He spent um he
Speaker 1: was sixty five, right, he spent half of his life
Speaker 1: in prison, but he was there. I can't use that excuse.
Speaker 1: But when was he inside the house, Well, y'all just
Speaker 1: had a relationship and out they was up and down, right,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. But that's my partner, Like,
Speaker 1: that's my man. I don't have that excuse. I can't Well,
Speaker 1: you know, I wasn't really really really really aiming it
Speaker 1: as an excuse, framing it as an excuse, because, uh,
Speaker 1: there have been people that grew up in single parent households,
Speaker 1: raised by single mothers who has done some outstanding things.
Speaker 1: Some there are some single mothers out there who are outstanding.
Speaker 1: You know, they took on more than their share. You know,
Speaker 1: anytime you take on more than your share, I think
Speaker 1: you know you out of sight. But your your mom
Speaker 1: name is an right. I was her middle name is,
Speaker 1: and like that's my mom's middle name also. So that's
Speaker 1: why we click, that's we click. We were raised by
Speaker 1: some ants. So but but your mom still was there
Speaker 1: a lot of time, you know, where it was she
Speaker 1: had to take on, you know, more than her share
Speaker 1: was right, Was there any time that this was going on,
Speaker 1: like when you was here being raised that you felt like,
Speaker 1: you know, your mom had to wait the world on
Speaker 1: our hands and you had to do something about it
Speaker 1: to help her out. Yeah. Like I remember, I remember
Speaker 1: being in school and I was sucking up, like you know,
Speaker 1: I won't go into classes and I just won't doing right.
Speaker 1: And I remember coach Thompson m bring me in the
Speaker 1: office and he was like, um, you know you up here.
Speaker 1: You know you eat three times a day. No, you
Speaker 1: got heat, you got a c um, you got everything,
Speaker 1: and mommy at home fucked up, you know what I mean? Um,
Speaker 1: no lights, um, no heat. Hm. And he was like,
Speaker 1: you're cool with that, right, So you're gonna suck it up.
Speaker 1: You ain't gonna make sure, oh we do. That's a
Speaker 1: good point right there. Man. I would just like I
Speaker 1: will get right back focused, you know what I mean?
Speaker 1: On what the fuck the agenda at hand was because
Speaker 1: I had that, I had to take care of my
Speaker 1: my lady man, my family. Technically, uh talks to change
Speaker 1: your life. Huh. Yeah. He saved my life. He saved you, bro,
Speaker 1: He saved my life. He he was he was dog,
Speaker 1: he was the guy. Like Mommy went up there when
Speaker 1: I when I got locked up, Mommy went up there
Speaker 1: and and she begged basically for my life, like because
Speaker 1: I was recruited by everybody like football, basketball, number one
Speaker 1: player in the country, football and basketball, and when I
Speaker 1: got in that situation. Can you talk about that situation
Speaker 1: now or would you rather just keep the book closed.
Speaker 1: I'm an open book. That's why I'm out. But but
Speaker 1: let's let's let's go back a little bit first though.
Speaker 1: Let's let's because I want to like really get to
Speaker 1: understand who you are as a man. You know how
Speaker 1: you got there, you know when you were being raised.
Speaker 1: You know what was the rules, like you know, like
Speaker 1: and what was the relationship between your parents, like and
Speaker 1: and and do you have siblings? Yeah? Okay, so a
Speaker 1: couple of sisters. I got a little brother, So what
Speaker 1: was that structure? Like? Up, man, I love I love hard.
Speaker 1: You know what I mean, um, I love I and
Speaker 1: I'm I'm, I'm, I'm me, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1: It's kind of like, um, when when when motherfucker's say, um,
Speaker 1: you're a real one, You're a real one, you know
Speaker 1: what I mean? That ship is so cliche, you know
Speaker 1: what I mean. But at the same time, I understand,
Speaker 1: Like I understand what when people say that to me,
Speaker 1: I understand what they mean, you know what I mean,
Speaker 1: because I'm just me, Like I'm trying to be nobody else.
Speaker 1: I'm I'm, I'm everybody else taken up. I can't be
Speaker 1: Brad Jordan. I can't be Willi d You know what
Speaker 1: I mean. All I can be is Alan Irrison. You
Speaker 1: know what I mean. I can't be the most handsome
Speaker 1: nigger in the world, the most richest motherfucker in the world,
Speaker 1: the most smartest motherfucker in the world. I'll take their
Speaker 1: handsome ship back. No, But like, I can't be I
Speaker 1: can't be the best, I can't be the best everything.
Speaker 1: Like I try to be who the funk I am?
Speaker 1: I try to be me man, and I don't try.
Speaker 1: It's just like my sister loved me, you know what
Speaker 1: I mean. My brother loved me my mom love me,
Speaker 1: my dad loved me, my homeboys love me, my fans
Speaker 1: love me. You know what I mean. Like I'm me dog,
Speaker 1: Like I don't try to be nobody else. You know
Speaker 1: what I mean, Like I don't I don't want to
Speaker 1: be nobody else. You know what I mean. As much
Speaker 1: as I love this motherfucker right here, You know what
Speaker 1: I mean, And y'all motherfucker's theme music to my life
Speaker 1: and ship like that, I can't be y'all. You know
Speaker 1: what I mean. I can't be nobody else as much
Speaker 1: as I love Michael Jordan much as I love Michael Jackson. Man,
Speaker 1: I'm me. I'm cool with being me, you understand. And
Speaker 1: it's and this little motherfucker's out here. That's you know
Speaker 1: that that I've seen at the game yesterday. I'm at
Speaker 1: a Houston Rockets game. Dude ten years old, you know
Speaker 1: what I mean. And they rocked with Chuck. I don't
Speaker 1: know if that daddy put him on that ship or whatever,
Speaker 1: but the dopest feeling in the world. And I know
Speaker 1: him getting emotional right now talking about this type of stuff.
Speaker 1: You know what I mean? Man? I just I love
Speaker 1: who the funk I am and who my mom made
Speaker 1: me who my dad made me, and all my homeboys
Speaker 1: from around my way to believe in me, and my
Speaker 1: family that believe in me. You know what I mean,
Speaker 1: I'm about to go on this motherfucker on Sunday All
Speaker 1: Star Sunday, Top seventy five ever, Top seventy five best
Speaker 1: ever where I come from. Oh, motherfucker's try to take
Speaker 1: it away from me. They tried to take it away
Speaker 1: from me, and I don't. And Coach Thompson always said
Speaker 1: that about me when he talked about me. I ain't
Speaker 1: complained like I didn't. I didn't. I didn't. I didn't
Speaker 1: blame the people in Virginia because everybody in Virginia don't
Speaker 1: fucking dislike me. Some people wanted minds to win. A
Speaker 1: lot of people wanted you to community, and I wanted up.
Speaker 1: I had no championship and nothing, you know what I mean?
Speaker 1: Like I wrote that letter to Kobe, and I meant
Speaker 1: that like he a champion. He was, He was a champion.
Speaker 1: He got rings, he got rings on top of rings.
Speaker 1: But explain that letter. When did you write it? I
Speaker 1: don't know, And that's some real ship. Like I don't,
Speaker 1: I don't, I don't know when I wrote an estimate time,
Speaker 1: estimated time, I wrote it like maybe, um maybe, like right,
Speaker 1: I think right after you got a championship, don't you
Speaker 1: and Phil it? What the fuck? Y'all went to the
Speaker 1: dance though? Right they beat us, they knocked us off?
Speaker 1: Who was it? Like two for they beat us? We
Speaker 1: won game one and we lost. Yeah, I wrote that, Willie.
Speaker 1: I think I wrote it right after, right after, and
Speaker 1: I meant every word because that was my motherfucker. Man,
Speaker 1: That motherfucker brought so much out of me, like the
Speaker 1: most top. I mean, y'all had no idea, Man, that
Speaker 1: motherfucker board out of me. Man. Yeah, you know you
Speaker 1: brought a lot out of out of your competitors also
Speaker 1: because you pretty much was unstoppable man like, and talk
Speaker 1: about fearless. That's why so many people, especially dudes that
Speaker 1: I know, like I know a lot of cats from
Speaker 1: the streets and all these guys, we just loved your heart,
Speaker 1: your fearlessness. I mean, you're going that pain, you don't
Speaker 1: give a damage. The dude was eight feet tall, you know,
Speaker 1: going up, you're going in the paint, you're crossing up.
Speaker 1: It didn't matter, like never just listen, listen, to me,
Speaker 1: listen to me, why not you man? Like my mentor
Speaker 1: Gary Moore, he's my manager, but he's my mentor. Heat
Speaker 1: meant so much to me. He's like a father thinking
Speaker 1: to me. And he was like, why not you? You
Speaker 1: know what I mean? If it's you and me, it's me.
Speaker 1: That ain't cocky. That ain't arrogance. That ain't that ain't
Speaker 1: that ain't that ain't arrogance. It's just confidence, man, Like,
Speaker 1: who can funk with you? Right? You tell me? You
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying? And and and and and and
Speaker 1: That's how I was when I when I played the game, like, man,
Speaker 1: I don't care about you being seven feet tall, Like
Speaker 1: I don't man, I'm me like I'm I'm man. God
Speaker 1: gave me this. It wasn't it ain't it ain't like
Speaker 1: you know, you're being arrogant or nothing. But God gave
Speaker 1: you that talent. So why wouldn't you think that that
Speaker 1: talent is better than any talent that was given? H
Speaker 1: How old were you when you started realizing that talent?
Speaker 1: Like when you got into sports, how old were you? Eight?
Speaker 1: And you chose football basketball first? Football? It's a quarterback,
Speaker 1: But I said, I saw him as a quarterback that
Speaker 1: would take off on you and hey, you haven't seen
Speaker 1: it his highlights. My man, my man, Mike, my man, Mike.
Speaker 1: One up me. He the baddest football player. It used
Speaker 1: to be me. Oh ship, but the fun you up.
Speaker 1: I need to come back, man, I need to come back.
Speaker 1: Well I'm talking about dude man, Like you could have
Speaker 1: really wrote your ticket to football that it didn't matter
Speaker 1: what you wanted to do. You could have done either.
Speaker 1: How how did you resolve to go towards basketball this situation? Okay,
Speaker 1: like they stopped recruiting me when I got in the
Speaker 1: bowling okay, yeah, yeah, So you had the bowling alley
Speaker 1: incident when you were in high school. He was getting
Speaker 1: ready to go to college and they come after like
Speaker 1: like this was this was this was walk us through
Speaker 1: it because from what I understand, it was somebody was
Speaker 1: making some type of racial statement towards y'all or something
Speaker 1: like that, and then a fighting sued and they came
Speaker 1: after you instead of going after the people who actually started.
Speaker 1: I was the guy in there that everybody know I was.
Speaker 1: I was basically, um, I was reilroaded. Mm hm you
Speaker 1: know what I mean? Like I don't like to use
Speaker 1: them the radio card because I ain't no racist, Like
Speaker 1: I ain't no racist motherfucker, you know what I mean?
Speaker 1: Many white boys and different How do you say this
Speaker 1: ship at ethnic ethnicities? Ethnicities? Yeah, I love everybody, you
Speaker 1: know what I mean? Um, we kind of we're closer
Speaker 1: in the same and that regard because but I love
Speaker 1: everybody I played with, But I played with dude, nobody
Speaker 1: that I love who loved me and I hate to
Speaker 1: hate me. I love who loved me, and I hate
Speaker 1: who hate me. You know what I mean? Well me,
Speaker 1: I'm the hate that hate produced. So dog, it was,
Speaker 1: it was, it was. It was all bad. It was.
Speaker 1: It was. It was like it was like, um, and
Speaker 1: it bothered me to talk about it now and I'm
Speaker 1: gonna leave this alone. Um, but it was like, man,
Speaker 1: you know, I when when when you grow up, you
Speaker 1: being an awesome rapper. You've been an awesome rapper, and
Speaker 1: everybody's saying we can't wait for you to make it.
Speaker 1: You're gonna make it. You're gonna you know what I mean,
Speaker 1: You're gonna be the ship that blah. And then when
Speaker 1: it happened, it's like that motherfucker, he don't do nothing
Speaker 1: for me, you know what I mean, Like, what do
Speaker 1: you do for me? You understand? Like, and it was
Speaker 1: like like it fucked me up and it hurt me
Speaker 1: that regardless white, black, or whatever, the people from my
Speaker 1: hometown tried to railroad me and I represent them the
Speaker 1: best way, yeah I can, Like I try to be
Speaker 1: a solid motherfucker. I try to be the best dude
Speaker 1: that I can be, and I try to represent my city,
Speaker 1: um the best way I can and the honest way
Speaker 1: I can, you know what I mean. And for them
Speaker 1: to do that to me, it sucked me up and
Speaker 1: it took it took a while for me to recover
Speaker 1: from from that ship because you know, like I got
Speaker 1: homeboys that ain't my homeboys the more you know what
Speaker 1: I mean, and that ship hurt dog, you know what
Speaker 1: I mean, because you you you think, like what the
Speaker 1: fund did you do? Because you started questioning yourself, you
Speaker 1: know what I mean, Like, you know, why would my
Speaker 1: homeboys not fun with me no more? But at the
Speaker 1: same time, look at them, motherfucker's too. They wouldn't funk
Speaker 1: with you anymore because you started where they started and
Speaker 1: they're still there. That's why. But man, Willie, I ain't
Speaker 1: never do that. All I ever did I'm saying is
Speaker 1: that What I'm saying is that you moved on as
Speaker 1: far as like your growth, your career. You had a career,
Speaker 1: you had, you pursued your goals. I had to get
Speaker 1: in pursuit and and and y'all started in the same place.
Speaker 1: Y'all went, y'all walk the same streets, y'all went to
Speaker 1: the same schools, y'all played on the same playground, and
Speaker 1: y'all had the same and y'all probably slept at each
Speaker 1: other houses and eight eight at each other's houses. So
Speaker 1: they really really know you more than everybody else know
Speaker 1: where you and you grew, you moved further, you took
Speaker 1: it another, you took it somewhere else, and they are
Speaker 1: they were still stuck in that same place, and they
Speaker 1: resent you for that. And let me tell you something else.
Speaker 1: Let me tell you this right here. I swear to
Speaker 1: God on my life, on my life, I wish them
Speaker 1: nothing but the best, man, I don't. I hope they prospered.
Speaker 1: I hope their kids are fine. I hope the family
Speaker 1: is great and all that. We just don't rock no more,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean? I wish the best for him.
Speaker 1: I wouldn't. I wish the best for I wish no
Speaker 1: harm on him or nothing. Jack. You know what I mean?
Speaker 1: I want, I want the best for all of my
Speaker 1: homeboys that I don't funk with no more. And I
Speaker 1: don't know. And I don't know because like like what
Speaker 1: motherucker's say, what they're saying, and um in relationships, uh
Speaker 1: um they motherfucker's grow apart or something like that. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. I don't believe in that,
Speaker 1: Like I ain't. I've been with my girl thirty years.
Speaker 1: I ain't trying to grow apart, you know what I'm saying, Like,
Speaker 1: I ain't trying to grow apart from her, you know
Speaker 1: what I mean. That's all I got. That's my lady.
Speaker 1: That's we were together a fucking month after we got
Speaker 1: divorce after thirteen years. You know what I mean, all me,
Speaker 1: all my funk ups, all me. You know what I mean.
Speaker 1: But I don't believe in that grow apart ship. You
Speaker 1: know what I mean. I think when you and another
Speaker 1: individual is authentic with each other and his love and
Speaker 1: I'm supposed to go nowhere, Jack, for clarity, you said
Speaker 1: that y'all were together. You you meant to say that
Speaker 1: y'all were apart for a month after y'all divorced, and
Speaker 1: then y'all connected. We were, we were. We got divorced
Speaker 1: in thirteen, Yeah, and we were together, um less than
Speaker 1: a month after that. Y'all got back together less after that. Yeah. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I had to do some I had to do some bagging.
Speaker 1: So that was the same year that you retired in
Speaker 1: two thousand thirteen. I retired and I got divorce in thirteen.
Speaker 1: I retired in ten. Right, I thought you retired in
Speaker 1: two thousand retired, Man, I'm not. He did it? What
Speaker 1: it's hey? Yo? Want a ten? Yeah? I retired in ten,
Speaker 1: two thousand ten. Yeah, come on, what are you fucking
Speaker 1: me up? I got a good one for you. When
Speaker 1: when Um, when Um Philadelphia came down to play the Rockets,
Speaker 1: we set on the floor, me and my son, the
Speaker 1: oldest boy, and um Al came to the bench, you know,
Speaker 1: at the halftime. Man, he sat down next to us.
Speaker 1: Man took his shoes off scoom and he signed both
Speaker 1: of them shoes to my son. October two thousand Appreciate it.
Speaker 1: You know, I'm I might I might have been washed
Speaker 1: up then, Yeah, for me to think that. But he
Speaker 1: signed both of his shoes, took him off his feet
Speaker 1: and signed him and gave him a boy man and
Speaker 1: walked to the locker room bad foot it. That's just
Speaker 1: what kind of dude he is. Man. Its super solid
Speaker 1: from day one. Broa always man, big dog status, always
Speaker 1: kept one. You know, that's my things on. I don't
Speaker 1: know why because he was awesome on that motherfucker you
Speaker 1: and him for a long time. Man, Yeah, yeah, God
Speaker 1: damn you go through the situation with uh the to
Speaker 1: hit you with what charge naming by mab by mat.
Speaker 1: They gave me, they gave me, They gave me fifteen years,
Speaker 1: and they suspended they suspended I think they suspended time
Speaker 1: like I was. I was, Um. I didn't go to
Speaker 1: the I didn't go to the penitentiary. I went to
Speaker 1: in the correctional facility. Yeah, uh like a halfway house.
Speaker 1: But they had me on the side with the the
Speaker 1: guys that was in a halfway so they was going
Speaker 1: to work every day. But they put me on that
Speaker 1: side because obviously who I was, and like the most
Speaker 1: time that you could have in there was um was
Speaker 1: five years, you know what I mean? Four months he
Speaker 1: was in there for four months. So he was in
Speaker 1: there for four months. Why are you in there? Your
Speaker 1: life is flashing before you. You're saying to yourself, Man,
Speaker 1: damn if I can get out of this, God, come
Speaker 1: on God. And then my lawyers was telling me every
Speaker 1: day that I was getting out. That's what that was
Speaker 1: what made it hot. Like one of the guys that
Speaker 1: we were just discussing earlier that I don't funk with
Speaker 1: no more, but I still love him. He was telling me, Bro,
Speaker 1: you're not getting out, Get the funk out of here.
Speaker 1: He was telling me that. But he was helping me
Speaker 1: because I was thinking every day. My lawyers was telling
Speaker 1: me every day that I was coming home. So they
Speaker 1: every day they like, you're gonna get out tomorrow. You're
Speaker 1: gonna get out tomorrow. You're gonna get out tomorrow. And
Speaker 1: then like, I'm in this motherfucker. And I remember him
Speaker 1: telling me. He was like, um now he visited and
Speaker 1: he was like, yo, why you got that cross on
Speaker 1: because I got somebody to make me across and yeah,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean, and and and he was
Speaker 1: like yo, what what what you doing to him? Like
Speaker 1: you know, I'll just be reading the Bible and blin
Speaker 1: and he was like, what the fund you reading the
Speaker 1: Bible for? What was you reading the Bible when you
Speaker 1: were out? And I'm like, like, that's what dudes doing here?
Speaker 1: And he basically was telling me like, motherfucker you go.
Speaker 1: You into that mystique of like basically, um, what what
Speaker 1: what when when dudes getting locked up? What is the ship? They?
Speaker 1: What is no? Um? You get um? Um? What's the ship?
Speaker 1: You get? Uh? Like when guys come out and and
Speaker 1: and they still stuck in the program. Yeah, but they
Speaker 1: institutionalized yeah, like you know what I mean, like why
Speaker 1: are you doing that? You're not getting out of here, man,
Speaker 1: so do your time, but look but listen. It helped me, yeah,
Speaker 1: because I in my mind, I'm thinking I ain't going nowhere.
Speaker 1: Like when you get out, you get your ass on
Speaker 1: that motherfucking court man. The motherfucker my man pain. He ran,
Speaker 1: He ran to jail man, put up a new court
Speaker 1: in that joint everything. You know what I mean? When
Speaker 1: I when I when I first looked, when I first
Speaker 1: started playing out there, they was filing me so crazy.
Speaker 1: I mean I called ball one time, my ball. Motherfucker
Speaker 1: looked at me like are you serious? Like this ain't bathroom, motherfucker.
Speaker 1: You know where you were at? No fouls out here.
Speaker 1: I went and told him that ship, and he let
Speaker 1: me come out for an hour or two every day,
Speaker 1: just work on my game. So when I got out,
Speaker 1: I was published. I was ready. I was ready. Straight
Speaker 1: to Georgetown, like, um, I went there. I think I
Speaker 1: went there. Alonzo Morning was there with coach. That's my
Speaker 1: partner too. Yeah, And and I went right from jail
Speaker 1: um to getting on the court. That was a time
Speaker 1: before you went to Georgetown that you had to wait
Speaker 1: to see what Governor Douglas do, what kind of decision
Speaker 1: he would make in your case. And I know that
Speaker 1: had to be that have to be a very very
Speaker 1: nervous time for you right there, huh, just waiting to
Speaker 1: try to see if they were gonna give you some relief.
Speaker 1: I thought he was gonna do it. I mean, thinking
Speaker 1: back on, I don't know, man, I think he was
Speaker 1: going to do it because of everything I heard about him,
Speaker 1: what type of man he was, you know what I mean, like,
Speaker 1: and he knew that it was some bullshit, you know
Speaker 1: what I mean like. And then those people, like those
Speaker 1: people in Virginia, they fought for me, man, they did.
Speaker 1: I know. I saw that. It was like they they
Speaker 1: fought for me. Man. I saw a special on Alan
Speaker 1: and um that's funny. You called me Alan my bad Chuck.
Speaker 1: But I saw a special man and they put that
Speaker 1: in there. Man. And I know that Coach Thompson put
Speaker 1: put a lot to you, bro, you know, and for
Speaker 1: you to turn out, you know what you turned out
Speaker 1: to be in the NBA from that right there. Like,
Speaker 1: it's extremely impressive, brod that I ain't done making them proud. Man,
Speaker 1: I'm not. I'm not done making him. I ain't did enough.
Speaker 1: It's little dudes, o't hear that? I gotta Oh yeah,
Speaker 1: you gott you got some more ships that? Did you
Speaker 1: ever tell coach we can't talk about no game. We're
Speaker 1: talking about practicing. We talked, man, listen, so this is
Speaker 1: my last time doing this? Um, I'm talking about Thompson.
Speaker 1: Did you ever tell him that this is my last
Speaker 1: time doing it? Whatever? Man, I never told him that.
Speaker 1: I know. I wouldn't brave enough to do no ship
Speaker 1: like to tell him to telling him nothing like that.
Speaker 1: Um My, his friend had just got killed and they
Speaker 1: were talking about trading me that year and I went
Speaker 1: to Um, I met with the general manager and I
Speaker 1: met with Coach Brown, and they assured me that I
Speaker 1: wasn't getting traded. But I was going through some ship
Speaker 1: at that time because my kids, like they were going
Speaker 1: to school and their their classmates were saying, tell your dad,
Speaker 1: don't leave, and their teachers was, you know what I mean,
Speaker 1: Like they was going through it. Like I can, I
Speaker 1: can deal with this ship, but with my kids and
Speaker 1: my girl having to go through that, it was a problem.
Speaker 1: So I was happy as motherfucker when I went in
Speaker 1: there with the general manager and they was like, you
Speaker 1: ain't going nowhere, you know what I mean. So the
Speaker 1: press conference was supposed to be me assuring the fans
Speaker 1: and everybody in Philadelphia sing that I ain't going nowhere,
Speaker 1: and the motherfucker's kept asking me about practice. I just yeah,
Speaker 1: I lost it. I lost it, you know what I mean? Like,
Speaker 1: when did you ever question yourself after when they made
Speaker 1: that statement about practice? Did you have a question yourself
Speaker 1: and be like, well, no, because you can't be a
Speaker 1: bad motherfucker like that if you don't practice right, like well, well,
Speaker 1: the statement itself made people think that you didn't care
Speaker 1: about practice, you know, like you had bad but okay,
Speaker 1: let's clear that up. Did you have bad practice happens?
Speaker 1: Did you did you? Would you? Would you? Like like
Speaker 1: like real can practice? You were serious about your practice?
Speaker 1: Or did you you about drills? Okay, but if you
Speaker 1: played five on five, then I'm ready. I want to
Speaker 1: do that. I ain't. I didn't care too much for
Speaker 1: this way, this way, you know what I mean. I
Speaker 1: already knew that throw the ball up and let's go
Speaker 1: like that was my thing, you know what I mean? Like,
Speaker 1: so you did so you didn't have a pattern of
Speaker 1: skipping practice. You went to practice, but I had. I
Speaker 1: had a pattern of skipping. Yeah, they were doing drills
Speaker 1: that day. No, sometimes I was out too late. And
Speaker 1: when I come in there, I don't feel like it,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. I'm a man, I'm a human.
Speaker 1: You you you I'm just tell me what you what
Speaker 1: you want me to make a sound fly to you?
Speaker 1: I ain't doing I ain't doing that. I was not Kobe.
Speaker 1: Kobe was something else. He was the guy, like I said,
Speaker 1: we're in the club. That motherfucker's in the gym oh ship,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean? And and and that's what
Speaker 1: separated him from a whole lot of dudes, even myself.
Speaker 1: Do you ever but do you ever think to yourself
Speaker 1: they were like, Okay, I'm I'm top whatever I'm I'm
Speaker 1: I'm a Hall of Famers. Great, But what if I
Speaker 1: had practice more? You ever think that, what if iout
Speaker 1: the live weights? What about it? You know what I mean?
Speaker 1: What if I would? Um dedicated myself more? But I
Speaker 1: did a lot. I dedicated myself a lot to to
Speaker 1: to be who I'm who I am. I did a lot.
Speaker 1: Would you say you gave what you could to the
Speaker 1: maximum at the same time to maintain your sanity? You know,
Speaker 1: like you gave as much as you could to maintain
Speaker 1: your sanity because you have to have balance, right, something
Speaker 1: like like Dennis Rodman. Dennis Rodman used to like, I
Speaker 1: gotta go to Vegas. Man. We're in the midd the playoffs.
Speaker 1: I saw the last day, but I gotta go to Vegas.
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying, Like Roman, but I'm saying
Speaker 1: that Dennis Rodman don't go to the Vegas. He might
Speaker 1: not mean perhaps he's not as effective on the court
Speaker 1: because he needed that balance. Um, did you feel like
Speaker 1: I'm saying that's what That's what he did? That's that's
Speaker 1: what didn't and that's what he did. What I'm saying,
Speaker 1: what I'm saying just a bad motherfucker. So some some
Speaker 1: people just crazy, man, some people are just awesome. But
Speaker 1: did you feel like you had to have that kind
Speaker 1: you had to have your own balance by not going
Speaker 1: to practice sometimes or whatever, doing no just just living,
Speaker 1: like just living living my life, like being happy, like
Speaker 1: being I don't know, man, you know what I'm saying,
Speaker 1: like just living your living your life. Like one of
Speaker 1: my off days. I know, Raw I wish he was
Speaker 1: here to have a bad day, like I know he
Speaker 1: wished he could have a bad day. Like it's motherfucker's
Speaker 1: that I love. They wish they could have a bad day.
Speaker 1: And I had bad days. I had. I had days
Speaker 1: where not even I'm calling it a bad day, I
Speaker 1: don't mean it like that. I did what I wanted
Speaker 1: to do. I'm gonna do that until I'm gone. Man.
Speaker 1: I'm the greatest father, I'm the greatest homeboy. I'm the
Speaker 1: greatest brother, I'm the greatest son. I'm the greatest everything
Speaker 1: that I try to be. That's who I am. Do
Speaker 1: I make mistakes? Do I suck up? Hell? Yeah? Do
Speaker 1: I wish I wouldn't have did this and did that. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: I wish. I mean, what then can I do? I
Speaker 1: can't do nothing else but be me and be happy
Speaker 1: as a motherfucker long as motherfucker's like, y'all rock with me.
Speaker 1: My family loved me, my teammates, my God love me
Speaker 1: out of here. Man, I'm cool. Cool. They tell us
Speaker 1: about your relationship with John Thompson coach John Thompson at Georgetown.
Speaker 1: The only thing I can say is love. He saved
Speaker 1: my life, did y'all? I'm sure y'all had like hundreds
Speaker 1: of talks. Is there anything that that really just stand out?
Speaker 1: Something something that he said to you that just you tough? Okay,
Speaker 1: I'm a football player right here. I'm a football player.
Speaker 1: I'm better in football than I ever would be in basketball.
Speaker 1: I swear to God, dog, I'm a football player. And
Speaker 1: I remember we was in the weight room, and you know,
Speaker 1: I ain't living no weights, so I'm just down there
Speaker 1: just sitting, you know, sitting on the bench. And I
Speaker 1: used to walk past like with with um our our
Speaker 1: our school. You had to walk past the um the
Speaker 1: football field to get to the gym, to the gym
Speaker 1: and every time. I used to walk by and I
Speaker 1: used to cry, you know what I mean, like to
Speaker 1: where is? It? Got so fucked up with me. I
Speaker 1: wouldn't look in that direction, you know what I mean
Speaker 1: to see the field. One day I went in the
Speaker 1: motherfucker and I was like, coach, like, I'm thinking my
Speaker 1: playing football, you little motherfucker. Don't you ever say anything
Speaker 1: stupid like that to me ever again? You hear me, motherfucker.
Speaker 1: Damn coach, that's yo, the worst mouth ever, really, man, Coach,
Speaker 1: I was terrible. Don't you ever come in here and
Speaker 1: say no ship like that to me again? I get
Speaker 1: the funk out of my face, like yo, And I
Speaker 1: never thought about playing football ever again. I never thought
Speaker 1: about playing football again. And that was my and and
Speaker 1: that was my coach. And one more joint, one more joint.
Speaker 1: This would make me feel like I was a superhero,
Speaker 1: I swear to god. My man, um my teammates, was
Speaker 1: in in the bathroom and all the coaches after the game,
Speaker 1: they being you know, they huddle up at the games,
Speaker 1: and they're be in the bathroom basically, so we can't
Speaker 1: hear what the fun they're talking about. And my man
Speaker 1: was shitting and he heard them talking and he came
Speaker 1: out and told me. He was like, man, I was
Speaker 1: in the bathroom. They didn't know I was in there,
Speaker 1: and Coach was just saying, that's a bad little motherfucker,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. And when he told me that,
Speaker 1: and I knew that Coach thought that about me, play
Speaker 1: the game the rest of it. I mean, it just
Speaker 1: I felt like black Jesus. I felt like Mike, Like
Speaker 1: I just felt like I was like, because somebody that
Speaker 1: that you, yes, yes, you felt an obligation to not
Speaker 1: let him down. No, it won't, it won't even that.
Speaker 1: It just it like I already had the confidence in myself,
Speaker 1: but you know, for my man telling me that you're
Speaker 1: a bad motherfucker made you even bader. Motherfucker's my confidence
Speaker 1: level like through the roof. And I was like, yo,
Speaker 1: But he would never tell me that. He would never like,
Speaker 1: he would never like he didn't tell me that until
Speaker 1: it was over, you know what I mean. Then he
Speaker 1: started telling me stuff that, you know what I mean, like,
Speaker 1: m my motherfucking man dog. When I when I heard
Speaker 1: that Coach Thompson died, I felt like I lost a
Speaker 1: family member. And I never met Coach Thompson in my life.
Speaker 1: But I know what he meant to you. I know
Speaker 1: how close that y'all were, Like, where were you when
Speaker 1: you found out that he died? Yeah, I uh just talked.
Speaker 1: I just talked talked to Ronnie and he was telling
Speaker 1: me like, you're just telling me the coach won't right.
Speaker 1: You're telling him like I don't. You don't got maybe
Speaker 1: a week and next morning, no, man, And I beat
Speaker 1: myself up. I beat myself up and the ship because
Speaker 1: I suppose he went there. I supposed it went there.
Speaker 1: But I'm happy I ain't go you know what I mean,
Speaker 1: because I don't want to see that. I didn't want
Speaker 1: to see that ship. That was my my man. Man,
Speaker 1: man saved my life, you know what I mean, Man
Speaker 1: saved my life, he said, in my life. Did you
Speaker 1: attend the funeral? Mm hmm. Great part about that, man.
Speaker 1: Y'all got some good ass memories together. Man, you know
Speaker 1: that's what life is all about, making new memories, making
Speaker 1: memories and new memories. Bro. And he puts you, put
Speaker 1: you in a position to provide for your entire family
Speaker 1: and all that, all that, all that. Like my kids,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean, they don't want for nothing.
Speaker 1: I can you know what I mean. They don't even
Speaker 1: get out academic scholarship or whatever. He's still going to college.
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying, Like like I fought for
Speaker 1: this ship, man, Like I I full for this ship,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean? And then like just just
Speaker 1: to be who I am, man, be legendary in this world,
Speaker 1: like motherfucker called me a legend, Like that ship is
Speaker 1: the coolest ship in the world, in the world, straight out,
Speaker 1: straight out the motherfucker hood man from the mud. Man,
Speaker 1: I'm going, I'm, I'm, I'm I want to be better.
Speaker 1: I'm I want to do more, Chip like I want
Speaker 1: to I want to see what we're witnessing right now. Man,
Speaker 1: is the reason why people funk with you. Bro. This
Speaker 1: this is this is it, bro, Like this is why
Speaker 1: we wanted to talk to you. It's like Allen hell, yeah,
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying, Like we gotta talk to
Speaker 1: we gotta talk to you, you know uh. And I
Speaker 1: think that that's one of the reasons why, one of
Speaker 1: the big the biggest reason why so many people rallied
Speaker 1: behind you anytime you got in a jam or whatever,
Speaker 1: any time that you was facing any type of you know,
Speaker 1: misfortune or whatever. It was just people just was always
Speaker 1: in in in high hopes. Man, But it's boomerang. Is
Speaker 1: ship is boomerang? Like you think that I don't feel
Speaker 1: the same way, the same the sentiments you're giving me.
Speaker 1: Like I feel the same way like I grew up.
Speaker 1: I grew up off y'all, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1: And then this is a fucking honor to me, Like
Speaker 1: this is bucket list ship for me, you know what
Speaker 1: I mean? Like I get a chance. I got a
Speaker 1: chance to go and tell my homeboys, even if they
Speaker 1: don't see this, like this, I did podcast with the
Speaker 1: ghetto boys. Like I get it. I get it, like
Speaker 1: I get it. I get a chance to do this,
Speaker 1: this bucket list ship for me. This is where I
Speaker 1: grew up, idolizing. Yo, I grew up idolizing, y'all, you
Speaker 1: know what I mean. And then look where I'm at.
Speaker 1: You tell me, God don't love me, man, beautiful ship,
Speaker 1: beautiful with something else that was on your bucket list.
Speaker 1: I'm well, I'm wondering if this was on your bucket
Speaker 1: list when you was MC jews. You know, like you
Speaker 1: get sorry, man, I don't do that. And and the
Speaker 1: only reason I was doing that is because my homeboys
Speaker 1: wanted to get on that. So that wasn't was that
Speaker 1: a bucket list thing or it's just something you know,
Speaker 1: just my my homeboys wanted to they was they was rappers,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean, Like he I mean, that's raw,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. So I did that. I
Speaker 1: did that for them, for my homeboys business doing that.
Speaker 1: But you know, but you know, well, I guess it
Speaker 1: wasn't something that you was passionate about. So you wouldn't
Speaker 1: have missed it in life if you had not done
Speaker 1: it right now and and and then and then at
Speaker 1: the same time, like it cost me a whole bunch
Speaker 1: of problems, like caused me a problems if relationships up. Wow,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean, Like he was doing business
Speaker 1: with your homies. Yea, that ship right there, like doing
Speaker 1: business with your homeboys, and then you love them motherfucker's.
Speaker 1: Like like one of the worst feelings in the world
Speaker 1: is when one of you motherfucker's that you love ship
Speaker 1: on you like a motherfucking I mean sand box motherfucker's
Speaker 1: Like motherfucker's I'm talking about sandbox. Like yeah, and everybody listen, everybody,
Speaker 1: it's fucked up. When it's fucked up, when you turn
Speaker 1: into scarface opposed to Brad Jordan's. It's fucked up. It's
Speaker 1: fucked up when you go from being chucked and motherfucker
Speaker 1: loves some fucking chuck and then all of a sudden
Speaker 1: the AI ship and that's family members, everybody. You know
Speaker 1: what I mean, Like, don't you still love Bubba Chuck man?
Speaker 1: You know what I mean. But when that fucking money
Speaker 1: you get involved jack money, Yeah, money catalyst for a
Speaker 1: lot of a lot of between everything, friends, family, friends,
Speaker 1: that ship. Don't mix cold things for his people though,
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying. His partners, Yeah, but sent
Speaker 1: them to school to go be in some business. Listen, listen,
Speaker 1: he's a he's a bad motherfucker. He's a smart motherfucker.
Speaker 1: But at the same time, your motherfuckers smart. Yes, I know,
Speaker 1: I say, I know all of my know math, I know,
Speaker 1: I know rich Man, I know Randy, all his homeboys,
Speaker 1: his mama, Mama glow All. I'm smart all them and
Speaker 1: and and and they, and they capitalized off of his greatness, man,
Speaker 1: instead of trying to go be rappers. That that's why,
Speaker 1: that's that's why I'm That's why I subscribe to the
Speaker 1: theory of being able to do business with family and friends,
Speaker 1: because if you really think about it, most of the
Speaker 1: people that got money like loan money, has been having
Speaker 1: generational wealth and even a lot of the people that's
Speaker 1: getting new money. Uh that if you look, if you
Speaker 1: look at all the groups, the White Flag, Asian whatever,
Speaker 1: these people do business with their family members and they
Speaker 1: do business with their friends. Well, it's just that it's
Speaker 1: I think a lot of time for us, we're not
Speaker 1: as discerning. We just automatically take yeah, because you know,
Speaker 1: we're not as picky, you careful with our choices that
Speaker 1: we make with them. Wh who were gonna who are
Speaker 1: gonna put We just automatically that's my homie here, that's
Speaker 1: my sister, that's my brother. No, you know what I'm saying. No,
Speaker 1: they got, they got They have to have some damn
Speaker 1: scruples about themselves. They got to be qualified able to
Speaker 1: do it exactly. And they and they expected they back
Speaker 1: you you, They expect you to do it for them
Speaker 1: because they're them. Just give it to him, right, man.
Speaker 1: If you earn, if you earn your if you earn it,
Speaker 1: then then you got it. But I can't let you
Speaker 1: run my business and you're driving dump trucks all your like,
Speaker 1: Come on, happen. My motherucking man told me. I said, Man,
Speaker 1: he gonna run the company. Man, he gonna do this.
Speaker 1: You know what I mean? He qualified? Man, why he
Speaker 1: got a job. He doing this over here? The funk
Speaker 1: you mean he's qualified to do it? You're not. You
Speaker 1: just want the position because we grew up together. Mm hmm. Yeah.
Speaker 1: If you ever want to funk yourself up, put in you.
Speaker 1: I grew up with this name in your business. If
Speaker 1: you want to be sorry, you got criticized a lot
Speaker 1: for looking after your family and friends, you know, and
Speaker 1: still and still gonna do it for I'm gonna do
Speaker 1: it forever. I'm gonna do it forever. When when when
Speaker 1: you hear but when you hear stuff like that, when
Speaker 1: you hear people saying like, man, man, you could have
Speaker 1: been a lot further. You know, you could be doing this. Woman, Yeah,
Speaker 1: you shouldn't be doing this or whatever. Whatever. You know,
Speaker 1: how do you reconcile that worry about you? Motherfucker, worry
Speaker 1: about you. I'm good, Yeah, me and my family straight,
Speaker 1: we're good, and I'm and I and I can be better,
Speaker 1: and I'm gonna be better. Don't worry about me, Jack,
Speaker 1: don't worry about me. Man, Love me, man, hug me,
Speaker 1: that me up. You know what I mean? All that
Speaker 1: other ship, man, keep my personal business out your motherfucking
Speaker 1: mine out your head. Get it out your head, man,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. We are right over here.
Speaker 1: We are right over here. I'm over here doing the
Speaker 1: podcast with Willie D and Scarface. I'm I'm over here
Speaker 1: with Brad Jordan's I'm fine. I'm fine. I'm gonna get
Speaker 1: on that plane. I'm gonna go home to that woman
Speaker 1: and i'm kids and kiss them and love them and
Speaker 1: eat real good and and and love on them and
Speaker 1: go out later on the night. Man. Whatever, man, you
Speaker 1: know what I mean. My my, my fans, I'm gonna
Speaker 1: be with them. I'm gonna keep posting on Instagram so
Speaker 1: they can see me being cool. I'm gonna do this
Speaker 1: right here and whatever. Man, I'm gonna live my motherfucking life.
Speaker 1: That's what I'm gonna do. And you worry about yours, man,
Speaker 1: you worry my joy and and and into any hated motherfucker.
Speaker 1: I love you, brother or sister. I love you. Hey, man,
Speaker 1: how are you doing. He's like, all right, okay, because
Speaker 1: I ain't worried about nothing but the fact that you
Speaker 1: all right. That's all I care about. Hey, you all right?
Speaker 1: God bless you, love you. That's it. I ain't got
Speaker 1: time for no negative punk ass ship, no sucker ass,
Speaker 1: nowhere near positive ass ship in life. Man, live laugh,
Speaker 1: take love, man, Yeah, take energy, live laugh love man,
Speaker 1: do that. Concentrate on that. Man. I always wondered, like, well,
Speaker 1: like when you first got to Philadelphia, the city was yours.
Speaker 1: Everybody was, man, Hey, I it's love. Initially you had
Speaker 1: a Did you ever have a good report with Coach Brown? Initially? No?
Speaker 1: Not not so not even day one. He was trying
Speaker 1: to get you to change your style, you know, change
Speaker 1: he was trying to get he was. No, hell no,
Speaker 1: he didn't. Just didn't understand. He didn't understand. I'm hip
Speaker 1: hop dude, I'm a I mean, I'm I'm We're from
Speaker 1: two different parts of the world, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1: So he did not try to get you to change
Speaker 1: your image. No, clean up your image, because you you changed,
Speaker 1: you changed the end be a. He didn't. He was,
Speaker 1: he was. He was trying to get me. He was
Speaker 1: trying to get me to become who I am now.
Speaker 1: God damn, that's what he was doing. Basically, that's my
Speaker 1: motherfucking man, that's my man. I love him to death. Wow,
Speaker 1: so so well, when did the turning point come? Two
Speaker 1: thousand and one? You're a bad motherfucker. Do you know
Speaker 1: what you're doing? You're a bad dude? Two thousand and one.
Speaker 1: I think I made the um two thousand because they
Speaker 1: was gonna trade my ass, and because I couldn't. I
Speaker 1: thought that he was um criticize, criticizing me, and I
Speaker 1: couldn't except um constructive criticism. And then when I found
Speaker 1: when I started to realize that he just loved me
Speaker 1: and wanted what's best for me and the team, then
Speaker 1: that's when I turned from Allen Iverson a good basketball
Speaker 1: player to a Hall of fame. On the night of
Speaker 1: the draft, did you think you were gonna go number one?
Speaker 1: Did you? Did you do? But I ain't know? You know,
Speaker 1: you know how it is with us A you're thinking
Speaker 1: some bullshit gonna jump off? You know what I mean?
Speaker 1: I knew, but I ain't know. And that had to
Speaker 1: be uh crazy feeling man like and just one of
Speaker 1: the best feels out there. We drafted number one in
Speaker 1: the NBA. That's that had to be some damn feeling. Man.
Speaker 1: And when it happened, when the announcement came down, man,
Speaker 1: you know, you know it's crazy Thord Willie like and
Speaker 1: then this ain't no cocky ship, man, I know. Can't
Speaker 1: nobody funk with me? Like I knew that, like I
Speaker 1: knew man, and and everybody in the d have knew it,
Speaker 1: and everybody and all the fans knew it, and all
Speaker 1: and and and and all the organizations they knew it.
Speaker 1: Like who else was in that draft? Like just just
Speaker 1: we had the greatest draft ever. What are some of
Speaker 1: the names we would immediately record? Kobe was thirteen, so
Speaker 1: we're gonna do We're gonna do it like that. He
Speaker 1: was thirteen years no, yes, all right, So that lets
Speaker 1: you know how crazy the draft was if Kobe got
Speaker 1: to be If he thirteen, then you already know how
Speaker 1: crazy the draft is. But Kobe was coming out of
Speaker 1: high school though, what you mean, let's comeing out of
Speaker 1: high school. They didn't, they didn't. They didn't really scout
Speaker 1: him like that, did they he did? I don't know how.
Speaker 1: I don't know how they didn't because if I was
Speaker 1: the seventy sixers, I would have picked them. Oh ship, huh,
Speaker 1: I would not have took Chuck Man just if I
Speaker 1: was so. You were so he was well aware kobe
Speaker 1: skill set. No, I ain't know then, shit, I ain't
Speaker 1: know that. The Lakers didn't know how cold Kobe was, Willie,
Speaker 1: because they let Edie Eddie Jones and Nick Van ex
Speaker 1: So started that ship. They did, and Nick was the guard. Kobe,
Speaker 1: uh Jones was the shooting guard. And man, when adn't
Speaker 1: let Kobe get off that motherfucking bench, I took it.
Speaker 1: It took it. It took a minute. I remember when
Speaker 1: Kobe was shout at that air ball and ship and
Speaker 1: uh no that was that was all right? No, no, no,
Speaker 1: that that was all Star. He shot at the air
Speaker 1: ball in the All Star Game, you know, like he
Speaker 1: was really trying to challenge uh Mike and all that stuff,
Speaker 1: and uh coach shout a ball. He was, but he
Speaker 1: just had that apter like he was fearless. Man, I'm
Speaker 1: shooting the ball anyway, I'm shot this same man, and man,
Speaker 1: Kobe is the baddest motherfucker on two feet to me,
Speaker 1: bro Over, I'm just saying his Mike and Kobe is
Speaker 1: like the same otherfucking to me, Oh Man, black Jesus,
Speaker 1: Black Jesus and the black Mamba, the black Mamba. You
Speaker 1: goddamn right better even alone, say man, ship Man, and
Speaker 1: on and on both ends stone, both ends. Yes, the
Speaker 1: way you know he patted his style after exactly that's
Speaker 1: why you got it in Like then, Mike, then if
Speaker 1: you if you ask Kobe who was the best, he
Speaker 1: would say, Mike, I'll give hi, Mike. I got Kobe
Speaker 1: and Mike neck and neck. Even if I stole my
Speaker 1: rap style from you, I'm gonna kill you with your
Speaker 1: own style. Bro oh ship and Kobe killed Mike with
Speaker 1: his own ship. You like so you do me and
Speaker 1: I do you. You don't want to funk with me
Speaker 1: what I left my neighborhood. I don't give a funk
Speaker 1: when I left my neighborhood to make this big break,
Speaker 1: I promised my road dog said, I dedicate a super
Speaker 1: jam to the hood that is sharp as a sickle.
Speaker 1: So here it is fifth Ward, better known as the
Speaker 1: Nickel Willie, I'll fuck you up with your own ship.
Speaker 1: That's Willie. Hey. Look, hey, look, Alice, Hey, this is
Speaker 1: my life. This is my life. What I get, motherfucker,
Speaker 1: look what I get? Come on, man, come on. So
Speaker 1: so that was really ship. I was just reck really
Speaker 1: with his own ship and and and and and and
Speaker 1: got a bad bitch in every state. Yeah, but I
Speaker 1: really can't say that like me, it ain't gonna work.
Speaker 1: But Kobe did Mike to the point, I hold on,
Speaker 1: I ain't supposed to use that because my old lady
Speaker 1: gonna say that. I just said that off big dog status.
Speaker 1: Take that shot, you know it just played it for
Speaker 1: that nothing. Take that whatever that is. We will will
Speaker 1: that right now, take it out. But I can just
Speaker 1: I can tell her I was wrapping your song. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but I was just wrapping really ship. But but Kobe
Speaker 1: did Mike, in my opinion, better than Mike did Mike.
Speaker 1: Not better then, but just as good as Mike did.
Speaker 1: Mike Man Kobe, Mike and Kobe and then Lebron for me,
Speaker 1: and then and then and then Steph and shot. You
Speaker 1: know what is a bad motherfucker that don't get his props.
Speaker 1: He don't get credit like he's supposed to. I'll give
Speaker 1: I wanted the best. But yeah, but all the big
Speaker 1: all the big men say that though, Yeah, but why
Speaker 1: he ain't in that list? The big men? Though? What
Speaker 1: you mean when people were like when people just talking
Speaker 1: in general, they seldom mentioned you want to kill all
Speaker 1: of the big centers and shack my black shack don't
Speaker 1: want nothing, no parts of Elijah one. And that's my daughter.
Speaker 1: It's Elijah one, and there's a larger one, and then
Speaker 1: it's all the rest of the month along. It's uh,
Speaker 1: who else? Right? The Admiral, he don't want none here
Speaker 1: in the top five. He still don't want none. Patrick,
Speaker 1: you want you don't want none. I ain't saying I'm
Speaker 1: just naming a little longly damn show it on. Don't know,
Speaker 1: you can't put him in that man? You know what
Speaker 1: you can fest of all? You gotta mention the You
Speaker 1: gotta mention Bill Bill Russell. Man, you can't. You don't
Speaker 1: want none, but that Bill Russell is. That's like if
Speaker 1: you want to say the best, then if you want
Speaker 1: to say the best basketball player ever stat wise, we
Speaker 1: gotta say, man, what was playing with a little short
Speaker 1: white guys? It's a difference. No, we can't just go
Speaker 1: on the stats. We we you got to look at
Speaker 1: the competition level. Elijah one is the baddest center on too.
Speaker 1: Had to play against the baddest centers and then you
Speaker 1: can't forget about Big Mo. Mo was crazy. Was the
Speaker 1: funny as dude to man. Love that love you Mo.
Speaker 1: Rest in peace, my brother, sir, Yes, yes, sir, moment alone.
Speaker 1: That's my dog. Yeah, great, goddamn guy for real Virginia Natives.
Speaker 1: I'm right, hey, Alan, when you left uh Philadelphia, you know,
Speaker 1: I mean, did you feel unappreciated? You know when they
Speaker 1: when they traded you, all right, when you went to them,
Speaker 1: they they didn't. They weren't trying to. I can't, I can't.
Speaker 1: I don't want to say this. I don't want to say.
Speaker 1: I don't. I don't want to say I don't want
Speaker 1: to say what they were doing. But they weren't doing
Speaker 1: what was right. So I was happy when Alan. When
Speaker 1: Alan left Philadelphia, the focus shifted from Philadelphia to the Nuggets.
Speaker 1: You know that the Nuggets was fucking feared. Nobody wanted
Speaker 1: to see. We just couldn't get bad. So yeah, we
Speaker 1: couldn't get past Mamba and and and um Tim Duncan
Speaker 1: like we was bad. We couldn't. We couldn't do nothing
Speaker 1: with them them dudes, who did y'all have at at
Speaker 1: at Center? Marcus Camby, Huh fuck? We was bad, y'all
Speaker 1: as bad as cant at the four mellow at three,
Speaker 1: as bad as motherfucker. We just couldn't with the giants. Man,
Speaker 1: We couldn't sunk with them, do them dudes? Is we
Speaker 1: was well? Coach that I was just want to say,
Speaker 1: but we was going against Pop and we was going
Speaker 1: against Mamma and Shank like we lost those two years
Speaker 1: and then that's when the bullshit happened. I went to mother.
Speaker 1: I thought going to Detroit was gonna be the greatest
Speaker 1: I was gonna be playing with being big being. I
Speaker 1: mean no, no, what's being at had to be? Man. Look,
Speaker 1: I love them dudes, and I'm still cool with with
Speaker 1: with them dudes. Man, they didn't want to see Chauncey
Speaker 1: League and I love chaunce That's my that's my homeboy.
Speaker 1: Them dudes ain't want to see Chauncey gold Man. It
Speaker 1: won't right. Like when I got the call that morning,
Speaker 1: I thought it was the greatest situation ever for me
Speaker 1: to win a championship, you know what I mean. But
Speaker 1: obviously me and ripped with two guys so you gotta
Speaker 1: play me at the point, and you gotta play you
Speaker 1: gotta play Ripped at the two. But they wanted they
Speaker 1: was invested in Stucky. Yeah, like that was that was
Speaker 1: the old because we was getting our ass whip because
Speaker 1: we had to start um Tay Shawn at the four
Speaker 1: and Sheet at the five. Rip was at the three.
Speaker 1: I was at the two, and Stucky was at the one.
Speaker 1: And they didn't they was invested in and Stucky, you
Speaker 1: know what I mean. And then Motherucker's telling me, I
Speaker 1: would never tell you to come off the bench, and
Speaker 1: this is that in the third and it was a lie.
Speaker 1: We stepped away from the game in two thousand teen.
Speaker 1: I'm telling you was team I'm tripping when you stepped
Speaker 1: away from the game in that year, whatever year it
Speaker 1: was in that year, when you stepped away from the game,
Speaker 1: I'm sure like before you ever step away from the game,
Speaker 1: you start getting closer to that time and then you're
Speaker 1: thinking in your head, Okay, I gotta transition when it's
Speaker 1: gonna come. Was there a lot of anxiety that like
Speaker 1: like when I leave basketball, like damn, what am I
Speaker 1: gonna do? I was ready, he was already ready, ready,
Speaker 1: ready to go. Um. I knew she was sucked up.
Speaker 1: When I went to Detroit and I couldn't have my number.
Speaker 1: Like I got off the plane. You know, Stucky was like, man,
Speaker 1: I'm I'm give you the number, you know what I mean?
Speaker 1: And I got off the plane and um, the David
Speaker 1: Stern he um, Kobe changed his number from eight four.
Speaker 1: So when I um, and I guess he just funck
Speaker 1: money up for the NBA, you know the number changed
Speaker 1: his number and you know what I mean. And I couldn't.
Speaker 1: I couldn't get I couldn't change my number. So I
Speaker 1: had to wear one. And I knew, yeah, and I
Speaker 1: knew it was fucked up, like even though I wore
Speaker 1: it when I was little, Like every time I put
Speaker 1: my jersey on, like she didn't feel right. You know
Speaker 1: what I mean, I'm number three, but what what was
Speaker 1: there any significance to the number three? My high school
Speaker 1: coach game? So and then hold on another George sound story. Um,
Speaker 1: I remember, um, we had our first game at Georgetown
Speaker 1: and I went in my locker and I had him
Speaker 1: a fifteen and I was like, coach, you know my number,
Speaker 1: it's three, you know what I mean? He was like
Speaker 1: motherfucker around here, we give you you know the number
Speaker 1: we want to give you. You know what I mean.
Speaker 1: I don't know what the funk you think you're doing,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean? And I went, um, we
Speaker 1: had shoot around, I went back to my dorm, came
Speaker 1: back for the game. Number three was in the lock
Speaker 1: Listen man. Coach. Coach John Thompson seemed to have an
Speaker 1: affection for the word motherfucker. Is that why you say
Speaker 1: motherfucker so much? Man? He that's that? That's yeah, that's
Speaker 1: my that's my name. Like he said that to me, like,
Speaker 1: your name is motherfucker and prodigal prodigal sign? Yeah? Is
Speaker 1: that is that? It is that it prodigal sign, prodicle, Yeah,
Speaker 1: motherfucker and prodigal song. That is that was my name?
Speaker 1: That That is funny as here. Man. We'll get on
Speaker 1: the phone. We'll get on the phone and and and
Speaker 1: what's up, coach. I just want to just call you
Speaker 1: a motherfucker and tell you I love you. Boom like
Speaker 1: them coach, my man, uh my man, do you have
Speaker 1: a foundation? No talking about coolball? I mean basketball. I
Speaker 1: don't know no coaching why because it's hard to tell
Speaker 1: a momus k coach. He's one of the greatest to
Speaker 1: do it. Great players can I just, I just, I just.
Speaker 1: Great players don't make good coaches. No man, A motherfucker
Speaker 1: that um, I don't think a mother sucker like you.
Speaker 1: Gotta be a bad motherfucker to be a coach. Coach,
Speaker 1: football coach make way more money than you, you know
Speaker 1: what I mean. And you gotta get them to listen
Speaker 1: to you and and and believe in in in your
Speaker 1: strategy and your you know everything. You gotta man to
Speaker 1: be a coach in the NBA. You gotta be a
Speaker 1: bad motherfucker. Man. But abud in high school, I would
Speaker 1: go back to my high school and coach. They coach
Speaker 1: high school. Man, I don't have I don't. I don't
Speaker 1: have the patience. I don't have a patience. You ain't
Speaker 1: doing what are you doing? You mean? I take care
Speaker 1: of my kids and that's I and I'll hang with
Speaker 1: my homeboys. I ain't even I ain't live my life.
Speaker 1: I had that that that that right there is too
Speaker 1: much and it's an obligation and it's you gotta give
Speaker 1: everything and I ain't and I know I can't. I
Speaker 1: ain't depriving nobody or nothing. Man, I'm not doing that. Ship.
Speaker 1: I don't think. I don't think great. Can you can
Speaker 1: you name a great player, was a good coach? You can't,
Speaker 1: you can't. I can't. Uh Jason Kids, Jason kid fantastic?
Speaker 1: Uh Jackson Bill Jackson fucking fantastic because he was no
Speaker 1: fucking great player. He wasn't no great player. But he's
Speaker 1: a great we're talking about. We just said you you
Speaker 1: said great player. He wasn't no great, He was not
Speaker 1: no great. Hold on, hold on, will James Kidd j
Speaker 1: D j As the kidd, don't sucking uh man, man,
Speaker 1: let me talk bro Listen, what's the kid named uh
Speaker 1: that play with get his medicine? No, no, he gave
Speaker 1: the kid, he gave it. He gave the team to
Speaker 1: cur They took the team from Jackson was a badass player, Willie.
Speaker 1: Mark Jackson was a bad player. But I don't think
Speaker 1: Mark Jackson was a great player. He was a good player,
Speaker 1: he wasn't great. Don't say that. I love that, man.
Speaker 1: What about Rudy Tom sign of a huh, Rudy Tom
Speaker 1: sign of a bitch? You know what, I think Rudy
Speaker 1: was nice. I think talking great out It was not great.
Speaker 1: He was not great. He was good. Okay, well Patrick,
Speaker 1: you perhaps Patrick Ewing and I'm done. Yeah, you got it,
Speaker 1: you got that one. Not not a good coach though,
Speaker 1: we done, we finished. I'm just saying, man, you know,
Speaker 1: suggestive anyway, right, it's all suggestive anyway, right, man, Hey,
Speaker 1: look my Georgetown dude. Man shout out the Pat Many
Speaker 1: Pat coach. Yeah he can, he can. Hell yeah, tell
Speaker 1: us a story about Pat. And when y'all play, tell
Speaker 1: you I got it, I got I got crazy stories
Speaker 1: all right, um, Pat, we're playing them, were playing the Knicks.
Speaker 1: Motherfucker said who got me tonight? Chuck said, Scott Scott
Speaker 1: win fifty. That's what he said to me? Who said that?
Speaker 1: That said that when you're playing with the Knicks and
Speaker 1: you playing with it, he said, who guard me? I said,
Speaker 1: Scott whim fifty and win and got it? Yeah? Hey,
Speaker 1: did you have a you have a punch? Don't Pat
Speaker 1: slammed on his last Who you slam down? That would
Speaker 1: be like, damn, did you slam on Barkley? Mm hmm,
Speaker 1: fuck you slam on nobody? Good? Huh, terrible, man, you
Speaker 1: are awful. I ain't gonna say I ain't gonna I
Speaker 1: ain't gonna say. I ain't gonna say who I did.
Speaker 1: Don't you they know, walk us through the day that
Speaker 1: you crossed up who many people believe is the goat,
Speaker 1: even yourself when you crossed up Michael Jordan's I can
Speaker 1: tell you what happened? How was how was that? Like?
Speaker 1: When that happened? And let me start let me started
Speaker 1: off think about it. He started off. So here's a
Speaker 1: high wind, like they was trying to see each other
Speaker 1: for the first time. Man, why are you screaming? Bro
Speaker 1: I'm excited about this moment because I was one of
Speaker 1: the one of like, oh ship man, hey the answer?
Speaker 1: What did they called them? Like? It was like Alan
Speaker 1: was the answer. They was always looking for somebody to
Speaker 1: tell Jordan and said they were like as an answer man, tonight,
Speaker 1: Jordan getting ready, Jordan and Ivison going to go head up.
Speaker 1: And when Alan touched the ball, everybody in the house
Speaker 1: stand up like, oh ship and we waited and he
Speaker 1: hit it at boop boop, and Jordan was over here.
Speaker 1: And then we make this part up that he was like, yeah,
Speaker 1: they come here. He got back in front of win
Speaker 1: boo boo boom. He was over here. And join was
Speaker 1: over there and he damn the failed No, the motherfucker
Speaker 1: almost blocked the ship. Still that's how nice he was. Yeah,
Speaker 1: he's still almost blocked it. We see that, you kin.
Speaker 1: You know you really kind of sucking up moves and ship. Man, Really,
Speaker 1: I know you the last month in this world to
Speaker 1: be talking about the way you be hogging. What's wrong
Speaker 1: with hogging? Look, I'm gonna just say this right here
Speaker 1: because I want to on this podcast. I sucked your
Speaker 1: crossover up. I know I did. Man, Look what that's
Speaker 1: That's the last person I want to see. But still
Speaker 1: I don't want to look at him. He looks from
Speaker 1: two thirty three years. I do not want to look
Speaker 1: at him. Understand, just understand where I'm coming from. That
Speaker 1: ship loyalty and love. That ship have no love and
Speaker 1: no loyalty for me. Yeah, yeah, why are you here?
Speaker 1: We're just here. We just heard see because I'm gonna
Speaker 1: tell you something broke, Like this guy is incorrigible. I mean,
Speaker 1: he's just a very difficult person to deal with, and
Speaker 1: you know, like and it's always super bad when he
Speaker 1: doesn't take his medicine. When he don't get his medication. Ship,
Speaker 1: who knows. I don't know how. We don't know how
Speaker 1: it's gonna turn out. Man, Bro, that's so fucking wrong. Bro. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I just thought that I could be honest with And
Speaker 1: I don't even take medicine. You don't take it anymore?
Speaker 1: This ship? Bro? What other business ventures that you pursuing
Speaker 1: that you can talk? Man, I'm a man. That ain't
Speaker 1: what I do. That ain't what I that. That ain't
Speaker 1: that ain't what I do. Um Um getting ready to
Speaker 1: um do a couple of restaurants and franchise Scratch in Atlanta,
Speaker 1: so food. I'm me. You know what's so fool all
Speaker 1: that all that ship that we don't supposed to do,
Speaker 1: all that ship that we don't supposed to love it?
Speaker 1: I want to buy into that too. Yeah, I'm I'm
Speaker 1: man and and I'm i'm um. We got new owners
Speaker 1: at Rebook. You know what I mean? You still have
Speaker 1: a contract with Hell are you talking about? You ain't
Speaker 1: going nowhere? Yeah? You change that going away? You know
Speaker 1: what you Let me tell you. I love money, man,
Speaker 1: I love money. I love it, you know what I mean?
Speaker 1: I love it? And and these motherfucker's are the most
Speaker 1: loyal people to Dog because they realized and they understand
Speaker 1: that I didn't make them because it was reboked before me.
Speaker 1: But they got loyalty to me because they know what
Speaker 1: I did for them. I said, you didn't make them,
Speaker 1: but she pretty much saved him. I don't know, I
Speaker 1: don't don't don't no, I don't know what what Lebron
Speaker 1: Lebron came in and took over. Um. But before that,
Speaker 1: when the when them kicks, it was me and Mike.
Speaker 1: That was it. He was number one always and I
Speaker 1: was number two. Now where I'm at now, I don't know,
Speaker 1: but the road to ship is still with it. Hey,
Speaker 1: how old are your boys? Twenty five eighteen eight team?
Speaker 1: They ever played sports? They get it. Let's leave that
Speaker 1: one out here. Let's leave out I talked about my girl,
Speaker 1: and I talked about my mom, talk about my youngest son,
Speaker 1: my eighteen year maybe hooping. I would no can playing football?
Speaker 1: Go ahead, Hey, look the mics alive, so you know
Speaker 1: what I say? Yeah, keep that ship too. It's like
Speaker 1: when I said that, so up, I will dude off camera.
Speaker 1: So what do your girls do? Model one of them
Speaker 1: as a model, one of them a fashion designer, and
Speaker 1: the little one of Hooper and they both roped and
Speaker 1: they rob They robbed you blind up for sure. I
Speaker 1: know about the live girl, but don't forget dum. I
Speaker 1: want to I want to tell you about that off
Speaker 1: camera because Dr Mix is live. We'll wait till love camera. Yeah.
Speaker 1: How often do you go back to Virginia and and
Speaker 1: your people all the time? Yeah? I love my family.
Speaker 1: I can't stand being home was born and then, um,
Speaker 1: it costs too much. Oh yeah, he's on something. Yeah, man,
Speaker 1: I was looking at this brand new Lexus man ship
Speaker 1: costs him one. When you go down, when you go
Speaker 1: back to you make sure you got cash. No, hey, hey, Cay,
Speaker 1: you hear what he's saying. What'd you tell me? Don't
Speaker 1: go down there with no damn cash? Hell no, you
Speaker 1: got a card? Yeah? I just got my card, man,
Speaker 1: that's it. I just got my choice. I love it. Man. Well,
Speaker 1: we really appreciate you coming of y'all do and and
Speaker 1: and and then y'all let me get certain shoot off
Speaker 1: my chest, you know, for my fans. Yeah, you know,
Speaker 1: to know the dude is all right in a good space.
Speaker 1: I love he went to Ghetto Boys with the he
Speaker 1: Man and it's just good to see you doing good. Bro,
Speaker 1: and it's and it's always, it's always one thousand percent
Speaker 1: love when we see each other, even if we ain't
Speaker 1: talked to you since he was in New York at
Speaker 1: the damn uh yeah I know it was you. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: he know me. He was in my room. How long
Speaker 1: ago was this? I was before? Is this what Maul
Speaker 1: was there? Right? Guys had to be like what five six, seven,
Speaker 1: seven years? Maybe seven years ago? This is when the
Speaker 1: other half of him left? Yeah, like nik, that's face,
Speaker 1: Like you know, I ain't you say that. I walked
Speaker 1: by you and you said the mall yo, the motherfucker
Speaker 1: all at me and then mall told me. I was like, man,
Speaker 1: I didn't know that was him? Yeah, yes, wow, yes
Speaker 1: yeah man. And I thank y'all man, No, I thank
Speaker 1: you Bro, Thank y'all. Man, I thank y'all. This I
Speaker 1: can't wait and I want I can't wait to see it.
Speaker 1: I can't wait for my family to see it. You
Speaker 1: know what I mean. I appreciate y'all. Man. Well, we
Speaker 1: ain't got none but the ultimate love and respect for you,
Speaker 1: really am and bro, and you did ship talking motherfucker
Speaker 1: for me today? Did you do it today or because
Speaker 1: I listened to it on the way of it. It
Speaker 1: was a couple of days ago. Yeah yeah, and I
Speaker 1: you know, miss I don't know, you know what I mean,
Speaker 1: because because because I love all parties like I love
Speaker 1: I love all parties. Yeah, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1: I love all parties. So man, we love you all
Speaker 1: like you you're You're appreciate you a real superhero to us,
Speaker 1: ladies and gentlemen. Hey, Alan Iverson, a real Black Chuck,
Speaker 1: real black superhero. This episode was produced by A King
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