1 00:00:00,080 --> 00:00:01,599 Speaker 1: Hey, guys, Saga and Crystal here. 2 00:00:01,680 --> 00:00:05,200 Speaker 2: Independent media just played a truly massive role in this election, 3 00:00:05,360 --> 00:00:07,840 Speaker 2: and we are so excited about what that means for 4 00:00:07,880 --> 00:00:08,720 Speaker 2: the future of the show. 5 00:00:08,880 --> 00:00:10,719 Speaker 3: This is the only place where you can find honest 6 00:00:10,760 --> 00:00:13,239 Speaker 3: perspectives from the left and the right that simply does 7 00:00:13,320 --> 00:00:14,680 Speaker 3: not exist anywhere else. 8 00:00:14,720 --> 00:00:17,080 Speaker 2: So if that is something that's important to you, please 9 00:00:17,120 --> 00:00:19,599 Speaker 2: go to Breakingpoints dot com. Become a member today and 10 00:00:19,640 --> 00:00:22,800 Speaker 2: you'll get access to our full shows, unedited, ad free, 11 00:00:22,800 --> 00:00:25,600 Speaker 2: and all put together for you every morning in your inbox. 12 00:00:25,680 --> 00:00:27,560 Speaker 3: We need your help to build the future of independent 13 00:00:27,560 --> 00:00:29,920 Speaker 3: news media and we hope to see you at Breakingpoints 14 00:00:29,960 --> 00:00:36,280 Speaker 3: dot com. There was actually a crazy crash that happened 15 00:00:36,560 --> 00:00:39,440 Speaker 3: in Philadelphia. Let's go ahead and put some of the 16 00:00:39,560 --> 00:00:42,680 Speaker 3: video up there on the screen as I talk over it, 17 00:00:42,760 --> 00:00:45,760 Speaker 3: so you can see there were these insane ring camera 18 00:00:46,200 --> 00:00:49,559 Speaker 3: videos that were coming out that are just showing a 19 00:00:49,640 --> 00:00:54,680 Speaker 3: major fireball that erupted literally as a crash, as this plane, 20 00:00:55,280 --> 00:00:59,040 Speaker 3: small plane carrying six passengers actually literally crash there in 21 00:00:59,120 --> 00:01:01,680 Speaker 3: the middle of the See the emergency. 22 00:01:01,200 --> 00:01:03,480 Speaker 1: Lights, the fires that were all happening. 23 00:01:03,800 --> 00:01:06,600 Speaker 3: This is a particularly insane one because he's standing out 24 00:01:06,720 --> 00:01:09,680 Speaker 3: there and he literally happens right outside of his front door. 25 00:01:09,680 --> 00:01:12,000 Speaker 3: You can see the fireball that was right behind him. 26 00:01:12,040 --> 00:01:15,760 Speaker 3: Absolutely terrifying. What we know about the crash so far 27 00:01:16,000 --> 00:01:18,000 Speaker 3: is it's a little weird some of the details, so 28 00:01:18,000 --> 00:01:20,399 Speaker 3: I'm just going to go ahead and read them to 29 00:01:20,520 --> 00:01:23,080 Speaker 3: some of you. So they've named the crew and there 30 00:01:23,080 --> 00:01:25,360 Speaker 3: was actually a patient. It was an air ambulance in 31 00:01:25,480 --> 00:01:29,240 Speaker 3: the northeastern Philadelphia area, so it was a medical jet 32 00:01:29,280 --> 00:01:31,440 Speaker 3: and it was including a girl from Mexico who had 33 00:01:31,480 --> 00:01:35,080 Speaker 3: received treatment for life threatening illness. But it plummeted to 34 00:01:35,120 --> 00:01:38,480 Speaker 3: the ground in Northeast Philly, causing obviously a massive explosion, 35 00:01:38,560 --> 00:01:41,440 Speaker 3: killing everybody on board and at least one person who 36 00:01:41,600 --> 00:01:44,640 Speaker 3: was on the ground. We don't know anything else. What 37 00:01:44,680 --> 00:01:48,200 Speaker 3: we basically know is that they left Northeast Philadelphia Airport. 38 00:01:48,520 --> 00:01:52,000 Speaker 3: It was headed for Springfield Branson National Airport, stopping in 39 00:01:52,000 --> 00:01:56,560 Speaker 3: Missouri before eventually traveling to its final destination of Tijuana, Mexico. 40 00:01:56,720 --> 00:02:00,680 Speaker 3: The girl was returning to Mexico after receiving treat in 41 00:02:00,760 --> 00:02:03,160 Speaker 3: the United States, and the victims of the crash are 42 00:02:03,200 --> 00:02:06,120 Speaker 3: the captain as well as several other Mexican nationals. So 43 00:02:06,320 --> 00:02:09,640 Speaker 3: definitely a tragedy. And still some open questions as to 44 00:02:09,800 --> 00:02:12,680 Speaker 3: what the hell was happening. You know, with all of this, 45 00:02:12,720 --> 00:02:14,800 Speaker 3: can we put the next one please up on the screen. 46 00:02:15,080 --> 00:02:16,920 Speaker 3: Just read some of the details out that I was 47 00:02:16,919 --> 00:02:19,000 Speaker 3: talking about. It's called a quote unquote angel flight en 48 00:02:19,080 --> 00:02:22,880 Speaker 3: route to Mexico. All of the occupants were Mexican nationals. 49 00:02:23,000 --> 00:02:26,360 Speaker 3: Plane was headed to Tijuana. So still some major stuff. 50 00:02:26,080 --> 00:02:29,000 Speaker 2: There, but a number of injuries in the areas too, 51 00:02:29,160 --> 00:02:32,040 Speaker 2: just because of it, which this major urban area, which 52 00:02:32,080 --> 00:02:34,400 Speaker 2: is you know, between that and then the fact that 53 00:02:34,440 --> 00:02:36,359 Speaker 2: I had just come on the heels of this horrific 54 00:02:36,440 --> 00:02:38,040 Speaker 2: crash in DC is why true? 55 00:02:38,120 --> 00:02:40,720 Speaker 3: Yeah, a lot why everyone's paying attention, I mean rightfully, 56 00:02:40,800 --> 00:02:42,919 Speaker 3: right yeah, this is the people are on edge. 57 00:02:42,919 --> 00:02:44,399 Speaker 1: People are afraid to fly. 58 00:02:44,639 --> 00:02:49,399 Speaker 3: And Donald Trump addressed some of the crash on Thursday, 59 00:02:49,639 --> 00:02:52,880 Speaker 3: blaming DEI as I'm sure we'll talk about it afterwards. 60 00:02:53,000 --> 00:02:54,280 Speaker 3: Let's take a listen to what he had to say. 61 00:02:54,440 --> 00:02:57,040 Speaker 4: You can't have regular people doing that job. They won't 62 00:02:57,040 --> 00:03:00,480 Speaker 4: be able to do it. But we'll restore faith. American 63 00:03:00,520 --> 00:03:03,400 Speaker 4: air traveler have more to say about that. I do 64 00:03:03,520 --> 00:03:09,239 Speaker 4: want to point out that various articles that appeared prior 65 00:03:09,280 --> 00:03:14,760 Speaker 4: to my entering office. And here's one. The FAA's diversity 66 00:03:14,800 --> 00:03:19,520 Speaker 4: push includes focus on hiring people with severe intellectual and 67 00:03:19,600 --> 00:03:25,800 Speaker 4: psychiatric disabilities. That is amazing. And then it says FAA 68 00:03:26,520 --> 00:03:31,240 Speaker 4: says people with severe disabilities the most underrepresented segment of 69 00:03:31,320 --> 00:03:33,400 Speaker 4: the workforce, and they want them in, and they want 70 00:03:33,440 --> 00:03:37,200 Speaker 4: them they can be air traffic controllers. I don't think so. 71 00:03:37,800 --> 00:03:38,320 Speaker 5: This was. 72 00:03:39,800 --> 00:03:43,720 Speaker 4: In January fourteenth, so that was a week before I 73 00:03:43,840 --> 00:03:47,279 Speaker 4: entered office. They put a big push to put diversity 74 00:03:47,840 --> 00:03:49,480 Speaker 4: into the FAA's program. 75 00:03:49,560 --> 00:03:51,200 Speaker 1: On DEI and the claims that you've made. 76 00:03:51,320 --> 00:03:54,560 Speaker 6: Are you saying this crash was somehow caused and the 77 00:03:54,600 --> 00:03:58,120 Speaker 6: result of diversity hiring, and what evidence have you seen 78 00:03:58,360 --> 00:03:59,400 Speaker 6: to support these plans? 79 00:03:59,440 --> 00:04:02,040 Speaker 4: It could have been. We have a high standard. We've 80 00:04:02,040 --> 00:04:05,600 Speaker 4: had a much higher standard than anybody else. And there 81 00:04:05,600 --> 00:04:07,920 Speaker 4: are things where you have to go by brain power, 82 00:04:07,960 --> 00:04:14,120 Speaker 4: you have to go by psychological equality, and psychological quality 83 00:04:14,200 --> 00:04:16,960 Speaker 4: is a very important element of it. These are various, 84 00:04:17,080 --> 00:04:19,120 Speaker 4: very powerful tests that we put to use, and they 85 00:04:19,120 --> 00:04:22,400 Speaker 4: were terminated by Biden, and Biden went by a standard 86 00:04:22,400 --> 00:04:24,080 Speaker 4: that's the exact opposite. 87 00:04:24,279 --> 00:04:26,479 Speaker 1: So there we owe from Trump. I was watching it live. 88 00:04:26,520 --> 00:04:28,760 Speaker 3: I was telling Crystal Wise and I was like, Oh, 89 00:04:28,839 --> 00:04:30,640 Speaker 3: he's really He's really going to do it, isn't he? 90 00:04:30,920 --> 00:04:33,160 Speaker 1: And they immediately starts pulling out d articles. 91 00:04:33,360 --> 00:04:35,559 Speaker 3: My personal favorite was a response to that question whenever 92 00:04:35,640 --> 00:04:37,159 Speaker 3: he's like, so, do you have any indication that it 93 00:04:37,200 --> 00:04:38,120 Speaker 3: was DEI and he's. 94 00:04:38,000 --> 00:04:40,480 Speaker 1: Like not at this time, we don't, So Okay, all right, 95 00:04:40,480 --> 00:04:41,880 Speaker 1: there we go. That's trump. 96 00:04:42,440 --> 00:04:44,359 Speaker 3: Let's put some of the details up here on the 97 00:04:44,360 --> 00:04:48,400 Speaker 3: screen about the crash, because this is what's actually important. 98 00:04:48,720 --> 00:04:51,520 Speaker 3: Where we are learning a couple of things. Number one 99 00:04:51,839 --> 00:04:55,159 Speaker 3: is that the helicopter, it seems, was not flying at 100 00:04:55,160 --> 00:04:56,240 Speaker 3: the correct height. 101 00:04:56,560 --> 00:04:58,120 Speaker 1: Now there's various reasons for that. 102 00:04:58,440 --> 00:05:01,080 Speaker 3: It could be that the screen the air traffic controller 103 00:05:01,160 --> 00:05:04,800 Speaker 3: was incorrect, it could be an instrumentation malfunction on the 104 00:05:04,800 --> 00:05:08,320 Speaker 3: helicopter itself. It could be a communication era between the 105 00:05:08,320 --> 00:05:11,640 Speaker 3: two that is currently under investigation. But the most important 106 00:05:11,640 --> 00:05:14,800 Speaker 3: thing that we have learned is that FAA short short 107 00:05:14,839 --> 00:05:19,359 Speaker 3: shortage of staffing in the tower had one person doing 108 00:05:19,400 --> 00:05:22,600 Speaker 3: the job of two, and what they said is that 109 00:05:22,680 --> 00:05:25,440 Speaker 3: the helicopter was flying outside of its flight path and 110 00:05:25,680 --> 00:05:28,960 Speaker 3: that air traffic controller was juggling two jobs at the 111 00:05:29,000 --> 00:05:32,680 Speaker 3: same time and was unable to keep the helicopter and 112 00:05:32,760 --> 00:05:34,120 Speaker 3: the plane separated. 113 00:05:34,360 --> 00:05:35,960 Speaker 1: It does seem crystal that this has. 114 00:05:35,920 --> 00:05:39,160 Speaker 3: Been going on for years now at Reagan National Airport, 115 00:05:39,320 --> 00:05:42,159 Speaker 3: that they have had a major shortage in air traffic control, 116 00:05:42,279 --> 00:05:44,560 Speaker 3: and we have also learned of a previous close call 117 00:05:44,600 --> 00:05:47,919 Speaker 3: incident between a helicopter and a plane. So unfortunately, just 118 00:05:47,960 --> 00:05:50,840 Speaker 3: seems like it was a matter of time. Two crowded airport, 119 00:05:51,120 --> 00:05:53,559 Speaker 3: not a non air traffic control. 120 00:05:53,360 --> 00:05:56,039 Speaker 1: Again, the helicopter thing, I still can't get over. 121 00:05:56,640 --> 00:06:00,480 Speaker 3: I have no idea why they are constantly doing helicopter 122 00:06:00,520 --> 00:06:04,120 Speaker 3: training exercises over one of the most crowded, busiest, and 123 00:06:04,160 --> 00:06:05,920 Speaker 3: difficult airports landing in. 124 00:06:05,880 --> 00:06:07,679 Speaker 1: The entire United States. It's crazy. 125 00:06:07,680 --> 00:06:10,160 Speaker 3: I've been landing there from my entire adult lives, as 126 00:06:10,200 --> 00:06:12,119 Speaker 3: I moved to Washington, DC when I was eighteen. 127 00:06:12,160 --> 00:06:13,520 Speaker 1: I didn't even know that was a thing. 128 00:06:13,520 --> 00:06:15,919 Speaker 3: It's probably better that we didn't know, but now you know. 129 00:06:16,000 --> 00:06:19,279 Speaker 3: They suspended the flights luckily, but it just it's like, 130 00:06:19,560 --> 00:06:21,279 Speaker 3: how much does this happen in all over the country? 131 00:06:21,360 --> 00:06:24,920 Speaker 2: Completely insane. I had no idea same that this was 132 00:06:24,960 --> 00:06:28,440 Speaker 2: a thing that happened, and it seems completely insane. A 133 00:06:28,480 --> 00:06:30,640 Speaker 2: lot of conspiracy theorists are making a lot of the 134 00:06:30,680 --> 00:06:33,719 Speaker 2: fact that the helicopter, Pete Hegseth, our Secretary of Defense, 135 00:06:33,720 --> 00:06:37,520 Speaker 2: Pete Hegseth said, was on a continuation of government training mission. 136 00:06:37,600 --> 00:06:39,839 Speaker 3: But that is a little weird, right, So what is 137 00:06:39,880 --> 00:06:41,800 Speaker 3: that content? Continuity of government mission? 138 00:06:41,960 --> 00:06:42,200 Speaker 1: Is it? 139 00:06:42,760 --> 00:06:45,880 Speaker 3: You know, for what purpose? What were you doing flying 140 00:06:45,960 --> 00:06:46,719 Speaker 3: in the middle. 141 00:06:47,240 --> 00:06:48,880 Speaker 6: I'm with you on that one. I'm with you on 142 00:06:48,920 --> 00:06:49,279 Speaker 6: that one. 143 00:06:49,320 --> 00:06:52,400 Speaker 2: But the factors that we know, so first of all, nationwide, 144 00:06:52,400 --> 00:06:55,600 Speaker 2: there's a massive air traffic controller shortage, some three thousand 145 00:06:55,920 --> 00:06:58,960 Speaker 2: air traffic controllers we are short on. There's an airport 146 00:06:58,960 --> 00:07:01,200 Speaker 2: in the Bay Area that about to have zero air 147 00:07:01,240 --> 00:07:05,400 Speaker 2: traffic controllers very close to San Francisco, not actual SFO, 148 00:07:05,480 --> 00:07:06,960 Speaker 2: but a smaller airport nearby. 149 00:07:07,560 --> 00:07:08,920 Speaker 6: This is a crisis. 150 00:07:09,360 --> 00:07:13,440 Speaker 2: Because you can see potentially the results here because what 151 00:07:13,560 --> 00:07:16,280 Speaker 2: happened at Reagan is that, like you said, Zager, for years, 152 00:07:16,320 --> 00:07:21,320 Speaker 2: they've been operating in this shorthanded position where one person 153 00:07:21,760 --> 00:07:24,640 Speaker 2: has been doing the job of two, having to both 154 00:07:24,720 --> 00:07:29,800 Speaker 2: direct the passenger jets in and also manage the helicopter traffic. 155 00:07:29,840 --> 00:07:32,440 Speaker 2: I mean, that seems that's insane, but they were only 156 00:07:32,480 --> 00:07:35,400 Speaker 2: doing it only they shouldn't be doing it at all, okay, 157 00:07:35,400 --> 00:07:37,760 Speaker 2: but they were forced into this situation for a shortage. 158 00:07:37,800 --> 00:07:40,560 Speaker 2: They were doing it after nine thirty PM, because that's 159 00:07:40,600 --> 00:07:43,560 Speaker 2: when the traffic really starts to ease up. On this 160 00:07:43,640 --> 00:07:48,000 Speaker 2: particular evening, the supervisor had allowed someone to leave early 161 00:07:48,560 --> 00:07:53,640 Speaker 2: so that the one man band situation began much earlier 162 00:07:53,680 --> 00:07:57,480 Speaker 2: in the evening, So the crash occurred just before nine pm. 163 00:07:57,680 --> 00:07:59,480 Speaker 6: This should have been a time when. 164 00:07:59,320 --> 00:08:02,040 Speaker 2: Typically they would have had two people in, you know, 165 00:08:02,280 --> 00:08:06,640 Speaker 2: each doing one job, so that was unusual. 166 00:08:07,000 --> 00:08:09,200 Speaker 6: Then you also had, as you. 167 00:08:09,160 --> 00:08:12,400 Speaker 2: Mentioned, the helicopter flying above its approved path. The fact 168 00:08:12,400 --> 00:08:15,000 Speaker 2: that there are helicopters flying through here is insane to 169 00:08:15,280 --> 00:08:17,720 Speaker 2: begin with, but these are some of the factors that 170 00:08:18,240 --> 00:08:20,800 Speaker 2: go in. The Other thing is, you know, I learned 171 00:08:20,800 --> 00:08:23,520 Speaker 2: a lot about DCA. It sucks because this is actually 172 00:08:23,520 --> 00:08:25,080 Speaker 2: my favorite airport in the region. 173 00:08:25,600 --> 00:08:27,240 Speaker 6: It's closed easy, it's not. 174 00:08:27,200 --> 00:08:29,800 Speaker 2: That big of an airport facility, so it's very easy 175 00:08:29,840 --> 00:08:33,520 Speaker 2: to get around in et cetera. But the main runway 176 00:08:33,559 --> 00:08:37,120 Speaker 2: there is actually the busiest runway in the entire country. 177 00:08:37,400 --> 00:08:40,320 Speaker 2: And the reason is because there's only one real runway, 178 00:08:40,320 --> 00:08:43,840 Speaker 2: it's already shorter than most you know, major runways at 179 00:08:43,840 --> 00:08:47,320 Speaker 2: major airports, but there's only really one main runway that 180 00:08:47,520 --> 00:08:51,040 Speaker 2: larger jets can land on, so that primary runway is 181 00:08:51,080 --> 00:08:53,560 Speaker 2: the busiest in the country. Then you couple that with 182 00:08:53,640 --> 00:08:56,360 Speaker 2: the fact that you have all of these sensitive areas 183 00:08:56,720 --> 00:08:59,160 Speaker 2: around here. You've got the Pentagon, you got the White House, 184 00:08:59,160 --> 00:09:02,480 Speaker 2: you got all kinds of monuments and other facilities. 185 00:09:02,000 --> 00:09:02,800 Speaker 6: That are nearby. 186 00:09:03,200 --> 00:09:06,559 Speaker 2: So it effectively forces all of the air traffic into 187 00:09:06,640 --> 00:09:10,480 Speaker 2: a very narrow corridor, predominantly just right over the Potomac River, 188 00:09:10,520 --> 00:09:12,640 Speaker 2: which anybody again who's flown into that airport is kind 189 00:09:12,640 --> 00:09:16,840 Speaker 2: of familiar. So it creates this really dense and very 190 00:09:16,880 --> 00:09:20,199 Speaker 2: busily trafficked area. And those are some of the factors 191 00:09:20,200 --> 00:09:24,400 Speaker 2: that seem to have contributed to this horrific, horrific death. 192 00:09:24,760 --> 00:09:30,280 Speaker 2: But one indication we got is that the screens that 193 00:09:30,360 --> 00:09:33,880 Speaker 2: the air traffic controller was monitoring and using to you know, 194 00:09:34,000 --> 00:09:38,800 Speaker 2: keep everything safe, etc. May have misread the level that 195 00:09:38,840 --> 00:09:42,000 Speaker 2: the helicopter was flying at. So the NTSB is a 196 00:09:42,080 --> 00:09:44,440 Speaker 2: term in the helicopter. The black Hawk helicopter was flying 197 00:09:44,440 --> 00:09:46,240 Speaker 2: at three hundred and twenty five feet. It was supposed 198 00:09:46,280 --> 00:09:48,920 Speaker 2: to be at two hundred feet. There is some indication 199 00:09:49,200 --> 00:09:51,880 Speaker 2: maybe that the technical controls for the air traffic controller 200 00:09:51,920 --> 00:09:56,079 Speaker 2: were misreading the height. That could have been a factor. 201 00:09:56,160 --> 00:09:58,360 Speaker 2: But you know, to go back to like Doge and 202 00:09:58,559 --> 00:10:01,160 Speaker 2: all of this sort of stuff, the air traffic controllers 203 00:10:01,200 --> 00:10:03,760 Speaker 2: got the same fork in the road email pushing them 204 00:10:03,800 --> 00:10:06,000 Speaker 2: to retire, as everybody else. 205 00:10:05,800 --> 00:10:07,400 Speaker 6: In the federal government did. 206 00:10:08,120 --> 00:10:11,760 Speaker 2: Then there was another like Q and a email that 207 00:10:11,840 --> 00:10:14,760 Speaker 2: went out that even more aggressively pushed everyone in the 208 00:10:14,800 --> 00:10:17,679 Speaker 2: federal government, including air traffic controllers. Hey, now would be 209 00:10:17,720 --> 00:10:19,480 Speaker 2: the time to take this buy on, go on like 210 00:10:19,520 --> 00:10:24,360 Speaker 2: the dream vacation. This shows you, right, federal government is 211 00:10:24,400 --> 00:10:27,040 Speaker 2: not a business. Okay, maybe it made sense a Twitter 212 00:10:27,080 --> 00:10:30,160 Speaker 2: for Eland to just like acts however whatever eighty percent 213 00:10:30,200 --> 00:10:32,400 Speaker 2: of the workers. 214 00:10:32,000 --> 00:10:32,480 Speaker 6: Et cetera. 215 00:10:32,760 --> 00:10:34,959 Speaker 2: But I'm sure there are some areas in the federal 216 00:10:35,000 --> 00:10:37,319 Speaker 2: government where you could definitely trim the staff back and 217 00:10:37,360 --> 00:10:39,160 Speaker 2: where it wouldn't make that much of a difference and 218 00:10:39,160 --> 00:10:40,520 Speaker 2: it wouldn't be that impactful. 219 00:10:40,920 --> 00:10:42,360 Speaker 6: This is not one of them. 220 00:10:42,400 --> 00:10:44,560 Speaker 2: Right, This is a place where we need to hire 221 00:10:45,080 --> 00:10:49,079 Speaker 2: thousands more air traffic controllers. Instead they're getting the same 222 00:10:49,120 --> 00:10:50,920 Speaker 2: emails that are like, hey, take the buy on and 223 00:10:50,960 --> 00:10:53,319 Speaker 2: go on vacation and like enjoy living your life and 224 00:10:53,360 --> 00:10:55,719 Speaker 2: double dipping on your federal government salary and whatever new 225 00:10:55,720 --> 00:10:56,320 Speaker 2: gig you're going. 226 00:10:56,240 --> 00:10:57,360 Speaker 6: To take up as well. 227 00:10:57,840 --> 00:11:00,160 Speaker 2: So that is where these sort of rubber hits the 228 00:11:00,200 --> 00:11:03,040 Speaker 2: road in terms of what we actually need and rely 229 00:11:03,120 --> 00:11:06,080 Speaker 2: on the federal government to do. And this just let 230 00:11:06,120 --> 00:11:08,679 Speaker 2: me take a hatchet to the whole thing approach that 231 00:11:08,720 --> 00:11:12,480 Speaker 2: we are seeing from our new god King Elon Musk. 232 00:11:12,520 --> 00:11:14,360 Speaker 3: I have no disagreement on that, and I think that 233 00:11:14,760 --> 00:11:18,040 Speaker 3: is the absolute danger that they will fall into. I'll 234 00:11:18,120 --> 00:11:21,480 Speaker 3: remind people that the lowest point of approval rating actually 235 00:11:21,520 --> 00:11:25,360 Speaker 3: for George W. Bush, unfortunately was not Iraq even though 236 00:11:25,360 --> 00:11:28,440 Speaker 3: it should have been. It was FEMA and New Orleans. Yeah, 237 00:11:28,480 --> 00:11:31,600 Speaker 3: that was Hurricane Katrina. When people they feel like a 238 00:11:31,600 --> 00:11:33,319 Speaker 3: disaster is not properly. 239 00:11:32,960 --> 00:11:36,280 Speaker 1: Handled, they do not take kindly to it. 240 00:11:36,320 --> 00:11:38,800 Speaker 3: And so that is of course the major caution for 241 00:11:38,880 --> 00:11:42,640 Speaker 3: people who are supportive of Doze and others is look, 242 00:11:42,760 --> 00:11:44,120 Speaker 3: like I said, I'm not going to sit here and 243 00:11:44,160 --> 00:11:49,760 Speaker 3: cry about USAID or NGOs in California or anything like that. 244 00:11:49,840 --> 00:11:52,199 Speaker 3: But if you find yourself in a position where you're 245 00:11:52,280 --> 00:11:55,760 Speaker 3: either tangentially or somewhat to blame for a major disaster, 246 00:11:55,960 --> 00:11:58,439 Speaker 3: and so something else like this happens and they can 247 00:11:58,480 --> 00:12:00,080 Speaker 3: trace it back to you. 248 00:12:00,120 --> 00:12:02,800 Speaker 1: It can cause you some serious, serious problems. 249 00:12:03,000 --> 00:12:05,679 Speaker 3: Last thing on this is that we are learning that 250 00:12:05,760 --> 00:12:09,160 Speaker 3: this was just the latest that a previous incident like 251 00:12:09,200 --> 00:12:11,400 Speaker 3: this had happened. So let's go and put C eight 252 00:12:11,440 --> 00:12:14,960 Speaker 3: please on the screen. A helicopter and an FAA plane 253 00:12:14,960 --> 00:12:18,160 Speaker 3: actually almost collided in twenty eighteen right next to DCA. 254 00:12:18,400 --> 00:12:22,480 Speaker 3: The near collision was almost identical to Wednesday's nights crashed. 255 00:12:22,640 --> 00:12:26,400 Speaker 3: The controller in that case working both helicopter local traffic 256 00:12:26,520 --> 00:12:29,240 Speaker 3: at the time. And the reason why, again is the 257 00:12:29,280 --> 00:12:31,120 Speaker 3: short staffing of the FAA. 258 00:12:31,600 --> 00:12:33,079 Speaker 1: Yeah, and that's another thing that you raised. 259 00:12:33,120 --> 00:12:34,960 Speaker 3: You know, nine pm is one of the busiest times 260 00:12:34,960 --> 00:12:38,200 Speaker 3: on the runway at DCA, tons of flights. I feel 261 00:12:38,440 --> 00:12:40,679 Speaker 3: those usually the very last ones that come in. 262 00:12:40,800 --> 00:12:43,480 Speaker 2: And I feel so bad for this person because they 263 00:12:43,520 --> 00:12:45,000 Speaker 2: never should have been put in the city of this 264 00:12:45,400 --> 00:12:47,600 Speaker 2: or the traft troller maybe they never should have been 265 00:12:47,640 --> 00:12:48,679 Speaker 2: put in this situation. 266 00:12:48,880 --> 00:12:50,960 Speaker 6: And now they have sixty seven lives on their contract. 267 00:12:51,040 --> 00:12:53,360 Speaker 1: Yeah, they got it. The helicopter pilot. 268 00:12:53,400 --> 00:12:55,719 Speaker 3: I mean, look, we got to learn. It may turn 269 00:12:55,760 --> 00:12:57,720 Speaker 3: out that the guy didn't do it, or the woman whoever, 270 00:12:57,960 --> 00:13:01,080 Speaker 3: the air traffic controller didn't do anything wrong. Instrumentation failure 271 00:13:01,080 --> 00:13:03,600 Speaker 3: on the helicopter, well, that's on the military, right, because 272 00:13:03,600 --> 00:13:06,160 Speaker 3: why are you not expecting your equipment before that happen? 273 00:13:06,280 --> 00:13:08,640 Speaker 3: Or and this is the other one, the helicopter pilot. 274 00:13:08,679 --> 00:13:11,480 Speaker 3: I mean, if anybody's to blame, it's probably her, because 275 00:13:11,760 --> 00:13:14,800 Speaker 3: if it's not instrumentation failure, then it's about communication. And 276 00:13:14,880 --> 00:13:16,880 Speaker 3: also a lot of people when raising a lot, they're like, 277 00:13:16,920 --> 00:13:18,440 Speaker 3: what you really miss a passenger jet? 278 00:13:18,480 --> 00:13:21,120 Speaker 6: I mean the video is insane. Yeah, the video, it's 279 00:13:21,440 --> 00:13:22,320 Speaker 6: it looks like they. 280 00:13:22,160 --> 00:13:24,080 Speaker 1: Go, right, look, not helicopter pilots. 281 00:13:24,080 --> 00:13:26,520 Speaker 3: I'm trying not to pass judge, but to any layman 282 00:13:26,600 --> 00:13:29,640 Speaker 3: who's watching that, I mean, it's basically a bee line, right. 283 00:13:29,760 --> 00:13:31,679 Speaker 2: The thing that's crazy to me is you see all 284 00:13:31,679 --> 00:13:34,079 Speaker 2: these helicopter pilots that are like just imagine like it's 285 00:13:34,120 --> 00:13:36,240 Speaker 2: at night and you're just looking out this little tube 286 00:13:36,280 --> 00:13:37,960 Speaker 2: and you see these lecens like, Okay, well, if. 287 00:13:37,840 --> 00:13:40,720 Speaker 6: It's that difficult, yeah don't Why don't we doing right? 288 00:13:40,840 --> 00:13:42,760 Speaker 2: If it's like you can't see anything and you have 289 00:13:42,760 --> 00:13:44,920 Speaker 2: no idea there's a regional jet right frick in there 290 00:13:44,920 --> 00:13:48,320 Speaker 2: that you're flying into maybe we shouldn't be having these 291 00:13:48,320 --> 00:13:51,880 Speaker 2: helicopters flying all around one of you know, an incredibly 292 00:13:51,920 --> 00:13:54,080 Speaker 2: busy airport at nine o'clock. 293 00:13:54,080 --> 00:13:57,640 Speaker 3: And I said, they're wearing night vision. The allegation is 294 00:13:57,679 --> 00:14:00,000 Speaker 3: they may have been wearing night vision goggles. So it's 295 00:14:00,000 --> 00:14:02,000 Speaker 3: and they're like, oh, it's really hard to see. I'm like, okay, fine, 296 00:14:02,040 --> 00:14:04,040 Speaker 3: but do that in Iraq. You don't need to do 297 00:14:04,080 --> 00:14:04,640 Speaker 3: it over here. 298 00:14:04,559 --> 00:14:04,880 Speaker 1: All right? 299 00:14:04,960 --> 00:14:08,199 Speaker 3: Like, what are we training for? Exactly gets to the 300 00:14:08,240 --> 00:14:10,440 Speaker 3: whole continent training for. 301 00:14:11,679 --> 00:14:14,280 Speaker 1: I would like to know what was that crazy thing 302 00:14:14,280 --> 00:14:15,479 Speaker 1: in the Obama administration? 303 00:14:16,440 --> 00:14:18,600 Speaker 6: Something Yeah, down in Texas. 304 00:14:18,160 --> 00:14:20,400 Speaker 1: Kate Helm was that it? I think that is someone's 305 00:14:20,400 --> 00:14:23,200 Speaker 1: going to remember that was a whole thing. Texas. Mobilize 306 00:14:23,200 --> 00:14:23,800 Speaker 1: the national Guard. 307 00:14:24,000 --> 00:14:26,840 Speaker 3: Actually, as a Virginia resident, we should mobilize our national 308 00:14:26,840 --> 00:14:29,560 Speaker 3: guard to protect us from the United States military, protect 309 00:14:29,560 --> 00:14:33,080 Speaker 3: our airspace, keep the government off our runways. 310 00:14:35,560 --> 00:14:37,080 Speaker 6: All right, everybody gets super excited. 311 00:14:37,120 --> 00:14:39,800 Speaker 2: We got a new Democratic National Committee chair. 312 00:14:40,120 --> 00:14:40,640 Speaker 6: Big deal. 313 00:14:41,400 --> 00:14:45,520 Speaker 2: Ken Martin, the former Minnesota state chair, has won that 314 00:14:45,640 --> 00:14:49,200 Speaker 2: contest over the weekend. As a reminder of what this 315 00:14:49,280 --> 00:14:53,720 Speaker 2: guy is all about. He is the one who said that, oh, 316 00:14:53,840 --> 00:14:57,440 Speaker 2: we should absolutely continue as a party to take money 317 00:14:57,480 --> 00:15:00,600 Speaker 2: from quote unquote good billionaires. We should just to avoid 318 00:15:00,680 --> 00:15:04,000 Speaker 2: those quote unquote bad billionaires. In one of the DNC 319 00:15:04,160 --> 00:15:05,840 Speaker 2: candidate forums, let's take a listen to what he had 320 00:15:05,840 --> 00:15:06,160 Speaker 2: to say. 321 00:15:06,320 --> 00:15:06,960 Speaker 5: There are a lot of. 322 00:15:06,920 --> 00:15:09,920 Speaker 4: Good billionaires out there that have that have been with 323 00:15:10,040 --> 00:15:13,440 Speaker 4: Democrats who share our values, and we will. 324 00:15:13,280 --> 00:15:14,000 Speaker 1: Take their money. 325 00:15:14,040 --> 00:15:16,560 Speaker 4: But we're not taking money from those bad billionaires in party. 326 00:15:17,040 --> 00:15:22,960 Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I mean, and listen. Obviously, his definition of 327 00:15:22,960 --> 00:15:24,840 Speaker 2: a good billionaire is just someone who gives the Democratic 328 00:15:24,840 --> 00:15:26,360 Speaker 2: Party money, So that just frees you up. 329 00:15:26,320 --> 00:15:27,880 Speaker 6: To take money from whoever whenever. 330 00:15:28,040 --> 00:15:29,760 Speaker 2: Like, I'm sure they would be happy to welcome Mark 331 00:15:29,800 --> 00:15:32,680 Speaker 2: Zuckerberg back into the fold, et cetera, et cetera. Let's 332 00:15:32,680 --> 00:15:35,360 Speaker 2: put the vote totals up on the screen. Ken Martin 333 00:15:35,400 --> 00:15:37,520 Speaker 2: one with two hundred forty six point five. I don't 334 00:15:37,520 --> 00:15:39,320 Speaker 2: really know how the point five works, but anyway, I 335 00:15:39,360 --> 00:15:41,000 Speaker 2: was wondering, Yeah. 336 00:15:41,320 --> 00:15:41,920 Speaker 6: Not important. 337 00:15:41,920 --> 00:15:46,160 Speaker 2: Ben Wickler, who's the chair of the Wisconsin Democratic Party, 338 00:15:46,280 --> 00:15:47,440 Speaker 2: one forty four point five. 339 00:15:47,480 --> 00:15:49,760 Speaker 6: Martin Omalley, former Maryland governor, got forty four. 340 00:15:50,080 --> 00:15:53,040 Speaker 2: Fashikiaro is Bernie's chief of staff who we interviewed here, 341 00:15:53,040 --> 00:15:55,960 Speaker 2: who jumped in late gets a whopping two votes. Jason 342 00:15:55,960 --> 00:15:58,240 Speaker 2: Paul don't even know who that is, gets one vote, 343 00:15:58,360 --> 00:16:00,520 Speaker 2: and then no votes for anyone else. So Mary and 344 00:16:00,560 --> 00:16:03,000 Speaker 2: Williamson was running, no votes for her, no votes for 345 00:16:03,040 --> 00:16:05,160 Speaker 2: anyone else. I mean to me, this is just part 346 00:16:05,200 --> 00:16:10,440 Speaker 2: and parcel of the Democratic Party is so lost right now. 347 00:16:10,760 --> 00:16:12,280 Speaker 6: They are so lost. 348 00:16:12,600 --> 00:16:15,400 Speaker 2: They have no idea how to handle this Trump two 349 00:16:15,400 --> 00:16:20,080 Speaker 2: point zero administration. They have no idea how to be 350 00:16:20,160 --> 00:16:23,080 Speaker 2: able to offer some sort of an alternative vision, like, 351 00:16:23,120 --> 00:16:26,160 Speaker 2: for example, actually standing against all billionaires, not just the 352 00:16:26,240 --> 00:16:31,440 Speaker 2: quote unquote bad billionaires, and taking a clear stance against 353 00:16:31,760 --> 00:16:34,760 Speaker 2: oligarchy and the seizure of our country by a band 354 00:16:34,800 --> 00:16:38,160 Speaker 2: of robber barons. That would require them to, you know, 355 00:16:38,280 --> 00:16:41,320 Speaker 2: totally remake their own party, because that is how many 356 00:16:41,320 --> 00:16:44,120 Speaker 2: of all of their leaders effectively have come into power 357 00:16:44,200 --> 00:16:47,880 Speaker 2: as well. And so what you have seen after Trump 358 00:16:47,960 --> 00:16:51,160 Speaker 2: getting re elected, Sager, is you know, Chuck Schumer is. 359 00:16:51,120 --> 00:16:52,560 Speaker 6: Still thehead of the Dems in the Senate. 360 00:16:53,480 --> 00:16:57,000 Speaker 2: You've got Hakeem Jefferies still ahead of the Dums in 361 00:16:57,080 --> 00:16:59,320 Speaker 2: the House. No one could tell you who the actual 362 00:16:59,440 --> 00:17:01,560 Speaker 2: leader of the Dey Democratic Party is. They're going with 363 00:17:01,600 --> 00:17:05,960 Speaker 2: this very standard issue Guy as DNC chair, and you 364 00:17:06,040 --> 00:17:11,840 Speaker 2: even had Jamie Harrison, the outgoing DNC chair, say that 365 00:17:12,000 --> 00:17:14,080 Speaker 2: he actually still thinks that Biden should have. 366 00:17:14,080 --> 00:17:16,639 Speaker 6: Maybe stayed in the race. Like the Democrats on the 367 00:17:16,680 --> 00:17:17,920 Speaker 6: state of affairs right now. 368 00:17:17,760 --> 00:17:21,880 Speaker 3: The Democrats are praying for the scenario that I laid 369 00:17:21,880 --> 00:17:24,679 Speaker 3: out in our previous block to happen. They want the 370 00:17:24,720 --> 00:17:28,520 Speaker 3: public to freak out about the tariffs, then they just 371 00:17:28,680 --> 00:17:33,520 Speaker 3: nominate some replacement level Democrat and he wins as opposition 372 00:17:33,880 --> 00:17:36,960 Speaker 3: to Trump. That is the most politically convenient. By the way, 373 00:17:36,960 --> 00:17:39,160 Speaker 3: that's actually a very likely outcome. I just want people 374 00:17:39,160 --> 00:17:42,879 Speaker 3: to understand that it's extraordinarily possible that that could happen. 375 00:17:43,240 --> 00:17:46,240 Speaker 3: But the reason why they should really try and do 376 00:17:46,359 --> 00:17:51,080 Speaker 3: something else is if it's nineteen eighty four and Donald 377 00:17:51,080 --> 00:17:55,600 Speaker 3: Trump is Ronald Reagan who becomes massively popular even more 378 00:17:56,000 --> 00:17:59,240 Speaker 3: over his second term, and then you have his vice 379 00:17:59,280 --> 00:18:00,680 Speaker 3: president waiting in the wings. 380 00:18:00,960 --> 00:18:02,200 Speaker 1: What happened in eighty. 381 00:18:01,960 --> 00:18:05,440 Speaker 3: Four Mondale, who had I mean, if you think Democrats 382 00:18:05,480 --> 00:18:07,600 Speaker 3: are bad now, think about back then in terms of 383 00:18:07,720 --> 00:18:09,360 Speaker 3: who are we, what do we stand for? 384 00:18:09,840 --> 00:18:11,439 Speaker 1: They had zero policy position. 385 00:18:11,720 --> 00:18:15,520 Speaker 3: Eventually, it consolidates very late into the new Democratic Party. 386 00:18:15,520 --> 00:18:18,800 Speaker 3: The DLC and all that under Bill Clinton in nineteen 387 00:18:18,920 --> 00:18:22,000 Speaker 3: ninety two. But they were out of power for twelve years, 388 00:18:22,240 --> 00:18:25,639 Speaker 3: so they easily could find themselves. This could just be 389 00:18:25,920 --> 00:18:28,359 Speaker 3: year number four at the end of the Trump administration. 390 00:18:28,520 --> 00:18:30,040 Speaker 3: You could have a two term J eight Evans or 391 00:18:30,040 --> 00:18:33,440 Speaker 3: Trump Junior or somebody's presidency before they can actually get 392 00:18:33,600 --> 00:18:36,679 Speaker 3: their act together. So they really are banking on Trump 393 00:18:36,800 --> 00:18:40,200 Speaker 3: screwing up. And that's not a strategy, that's not a movement, 394 00:18:40,400 --> 00:18:42,399 Speaker 3: that's not something that you believe in. 395 00:18:42,600 --> 00:18:45,399 Speaker 2: Yeah, no, that's exactly right. And they also just like 396 00:18:46,160 --> 00:18:48,560 Speaker 2: they have no idea how to deal with the speed 397 00:18:48,720 --> 00:18:53,080 Speaker 2: of news and the current media environment either, definitely right, 398 00:18:53,119 --> 00:18:56,080 Speaker 2: So you know, I mean they're like still processing things 399 00:18:56,080 --> 00:18:58,359 Speaker 2: that happened on inauguration Day and here we are like 400 00:18:58,400 --> 00:19:02,040 Speaker 2: ten crises later, and they, you know, they just they 401 00:19:02,119 --> 00:19:05,439 Speaker 2: don't have by and large, I mean, this is where 402 00:19:05,840 --> 00:19:08,439 Speaker 2: like whatever you think of AOC, she at least understands 403 00:19:08,480 --> 00:19:11,520 Speaker 2: the new media environment and the fact that you know, 404 00:19:11,840 --> 00:19:13,720 Speaker 2: one of the few people that they have on their 405 00:19:13,760 --> 00:19:16,920 Speaker 2: side who actually can garner media attention and track controversy 406 00:19:16,960 --> 00:19:19,520 Speaker 2: and like start a conversation, et cetera. They also go 407 00:19:19,640 --> 00:19:21,680 Speaker 2: out of their way to like bury and keep from 408 00:19:21,720 --> 00:19:24,440 Speaker 2: any sort of a leadership position also tells you where 409 00:19:24,440 --> 00:19:27,199 Speaker 2: they are. So they have a myriad of problems. Their 410 00:19:27,240 --> 00:19:31,000 Speaker 2: approval rating is like has never been lower effectively, because 411 00:19:31,160 --> 00:19:33,280 Speaker 2: I think, not only do you have people who are 412 00:19:33,280 --> 00:19:35,359 Speaker 2: normally opposed to Democrats opposed to them, but then you 413 00:19:35,400 --> 00:19:36,879 Speaker 2: have the rest of the country and even people who 414 00:19:36,960 --> 00:19:41,879 Speaker 2: maybe like sympathetic to democratic type principles just looking at 415 00:19:41,920 --> 00:19:44,760 Speaker 2: them and like, you are so pathetic in this moment. 416 00:19:45,000 --> 00:19:46,919 Speaker 2: You have no idea how to meet the moment. You 417 00:19:46,920 --> 00:19:49,840 Speaker 2: have no idea how to articulate a different vision. You're 418 00:19:49,920 --> 00:19:52,199 Speaker 2: just going along and like doing the same things that 419 00:19:52,240 --> 00:19:55,400 Speaker 2: you've always done, re electing the same people, same type 420 00:19:55,400 --> 00:19:56,040 Speaker 2: of people. 421 00:19:55,760 --> 00:19:56,280 Speaker 6: Et cetera. 422 00:19:56,840 --> 00:20:00,000 Speaker 2: And it is not it is not a terribly inspired 423 00:20:00,359 --> 00:20:02,639 Speaker 2: situation for them right now. And I think you're right, Zagara. 424 00:20:02,640 --> 00:20:05,680 Speaker 2: I think they don't know what to do. They don't 425 00:20:05,760 --> 00:20:07,800 Speaker 2: understand how to do. They had Corey Booker give some 426 00:20:07,880 --> 00:20:10,440 Speaker 2: like social media seminar to everyone. 427 00:20:11,280 --> 00:20:12,680 Speaker 6: I don't know if we talked on the show or not. 428 00:20:13,640 --> 00:20:16,560 Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I don't know if we talked about this 429 00:20:16,600 --> 00:20:17,199 Speaker 2: on the show or not. 430 00:20:17,240 --> 00:20:18,359 Speaker 6: But they had some meeting. 431 00:20:18,640 --> 00:20:23,040 Speaker 2: I think of the Democratic senators trying to brainstorm how 432 00:20:23,040 --> 00:20:25,240 Speaker 2: to like go viral, and they're like, oh, Mark Warner 433 00:20:25,280 --> 00:20:26,320 Speaker 2: made a tune melt. 434 00:20:26,119 --> 00:20:26,800 Speaker 3: Dur oh way. 435 00:20:26,920 --> 00:20:29,720 Speaker 2: I swear to god, you didn't see this, Mark Warner 436 00:20:29,720 --> 00:20:31,399 Speaker 2: made it. You might have been like, I think you 437 00:20:31,440 --> 00:20:33,320 Speaker 2: were off during that. I made it tuone melt during 438 00:20:33,359 --> 00:20:38,120 Speaker 2: COVID that went supervirus, Like maybe he did that, but no. 439 00:20:38,040 --> 00:20:38,960 Speaker 6: One remembers that. 440 00:20:39,119 --> 00:20:41,080 Speaker 1: I'm like, I have no idea that's. 441 00:20:40,760 --> 00:20:43,360 Speaker 2: Your answer to Trump two point zero and Elon must 442 00:20:43,359 --> 00:20:44,119 Speaker 2: take you over the government. 443 00:20:44,160 --> 00:20:45,959 Speaker 6: All this stuff is like, maybe we should do some 444 00:20:45,960 --> 00:20:47,320 Speaker 6: more online cooking. 445 00:20:47,440 --> 00:20:50,440 Speaker 2: It's like, oh Jesus Christ, they're so lost. 446 00:20:50,560 --> 00:20:54,440 Speaker 3: And they've also they're not ditching their cartoonish identity politics either. 447 00:20:54,480 --> 00:20:56,360 Speaker 3: There were a lot of great clips coming out. Let's 448 00:20:56,359 --> 00:20:57,320 Speaker 3: take a listen to one of them. 449 00:20:58,480 --> 00:21:01,960 Speaker 7: Specify that when we have a gender non binary candidate 450 00:21:02,080 --> 00:21:06,840 Speaker 7: or officer, the non binary individual is counted as neither 451 00:21:06,880 --> 00:21:09,679 Speaker 7: male nor female, and the remaining six offices must be 452 00:21:09,760 --> 00:21:14,200 Speaker 7: gender balanced. With the results of the previous four elections, 453 00:21:14,760 --> 00:21:19,400 Speaker 7: our elected officers are currently too male and to female. 454 00:21:20,320 --> 00:21:26,000 Speaker 7: In order to be gender balanced, we must we must 455 00:21:26,080 --> 00:21:32,600 Speaker 7: elect one male, one female, and one person of any gender. 456 00:21:33,680 --> 00:21:35,600 Speaker 7: So again, this is what we. 457 00:21:35,520 --> 00:21:38,800 Speaker 8: Have to do for this vice chair race. We have to. 458 00:21:38,800 --> 00:21:43,120 Speaker 7: Elect one male, one female, and one person of any gender. 459 00:21:44,160 --> 00:21:47,520 Speaker 7: To ensure our process accounts for male, female, and non 460 00:21:47,560 --> 00:21:51,560 Speaker 7: binary candidates, we conferred with our RBC co chair, our 461 00:21:51,680 --> 00:21:54,800 Speaker 7: LGBT Caucus co Chair, and others to ensure that the 462 00:21:54,880 --> 00:21:58,080 Speaker 7: process is inclusive and meets the gender balance requirements. In 463 00:21:58,080 --> 00:22:01,960 Speaker 7: our rules, any candidate male, female, and non binary can 464 00:22:02,000 --> 00:22:05,800 Speaker 7: be elected on that ballot. After a candidate is elected 465 00:22:05,840 --> 00:22:12,000 Speaker 7: on the first ballot, we'll have one officer of the three, 466 00:22:12,520 --> 00:22:15,240 Speaker 7: so we will now so then we will know which 467 00:22:15,280 --> 00:22:18,040 Speaker 7: position is filled of the one male, one female, and 468 00:22:18,080 --> 00:22:19,760 Speaker 7: one vice chair of any gender. 469 00:22:19,960 --> 00:22:22,159 Speaker 6: Oh my god, who is this even for it? 470 00:22:22,480 --> 00:22:24,080 Speaker 1: So that's where we're got, that's where we're at. 471 00:22:24,160 --> 00:22:27,160 Speaker 3: And Faz Shakir said, this is the kind of identity 472 00:22:27,200 --> 00:22:30,320 Speaker 3: politics in fighting that I was urging us against. Focus 473 00:22:30,359 --> 00:22:33,600 Speaker 3: on fighting against oligarchy through solidarity. He got two votes, 474 00:22:33,640 --> 00:22:36,280 Speaker 3: so that's the decision. There was a land acknowledgement too 475 00:22:36,359 --> 00:22:37,160 Speaker 3: with the DNC. 476 00:22:37,280 --> 00:22:39,800 Speaker 2: So you know, look, you know, folks, I want to 477 00:22:39,800 --> 00:22:43,920 Speaker 2: give Faz credit even though you know whatever, I don't 478 00:22:43,920 --> 00:22:45,639 Speaker 2: think he ever had a shot even if he got in, 479 00:22:45,920 --> 00:22:48,480 Speaker 2: got in early, et cetera. Because this isn't like, you know, 480 00:22:48,520 --> 00:22:52,240 Speaker 2: a Democratic base alike. This is literally just DNC members. 481 00:22:52,280 --> 00:22:55,240 Speaker 2: These are I mean, they're not like some of them 482 00:22:55,280 --> 00:22:56,240 Speaker 2: are insider insiders. 483 00:22:56,280 --> 00:22:57,800 Speaker 6: Some of them are just like local county chairs. 484 00:22:57,800 --> 00:22:59,960 Speaker 2: But these are just you know, these are Democratic Party 485 00:23:00,119 --> 00:23:01,160 Speaker 2: operatives whatever. 486 00:23:01,240 --> 00:23:02,640 Speaker 6: But he had asked at one of. 487 00:23:02,560 --> 00:23:04,720 Speaker 2: The forums, you know, do you think we should have 488 00:23:04,960 --> 00:23:09,480 Speaker 2: a can't remember what identity group caucus? It was maybe 489 00:23:09,480 --> 00:23:11,119 Speaker 2: a Muslim caucus. I can't I think it was a 490 00:23:11,200 --> 00:23:14,040 Speaker 2: Muslim caucus. And he was like, no, I think we 491 00:23:14,080 --> 00:23:17,639 Speaker 2: need to stop doing this like division by identity. I 492 00:23:17,640 --> 00:23:20,320 Speaker 2: think we need to focus on like class solidarity and 493 00:23:20,359 --> 00:23:24,280 Speaker 2: delivering for all people. And he gets two votes. We 494 00:23:24,359 --> 00:23:27,000 Speaker 2: have a DNC vice chair who was elected as well. 495 00:23:27,560 --> 00:23:30,119 Speaker 2: We can put D four up on the screen, David Hogg, 496 00:23:30,240 --> 00:23:34,439 Speaker 2: who's you know, gun safety activist. And one thing I 497 00:23:34,480 --> 00:23:37,000 Speaker 2: will say here to defend David a little bit is 498 00:23:37,119 --> 00:23:40,480 Speaker 2: at least David understands new media, like at least he 499 00:23:40,680 --> 00:23:45,679 Speaker 2: knows how to communicate on social media platforms himself. 500 00:23:46,160 --> 00:23:49,040 Speaker 1: Yes, that's of course. 501 00:23:50,640 --> 00:23:52,200 Speaker 6: To be vice president of the United States. 502 00:23:52,680 --> 00:23:54,920 Speaker 1: We also became a senator. 503 00:23:54,520 --> 00:23:58,399 Speaker 2: So I haven't seen the Democrats need more posters on 504 00:23:58,440 --> 00:23:59,000 Speaker 2: their side. 505 00:23:59,400 --> 00:24:01,520 Speaker 6: And at least he understands the social media. 506 00:24:01,880 --> 00:24:06,760 Speaker 3: Yeah, okay, mister David, I can show you, David. 507 00:24:06,520 --> 00:24:10,040 Speaker 2: He's had more fight in him than like ninety percent 508 00:24:10,320 --> 00:24:11,400 Speaker 2: of having fight. 509 00:24:11,600 --> 00:24:13,840 Speaker 3: Okay, having the fight in you is not a skill. 510 00:24:14,040 --> 00:24:15,920 Speaker 3: Having the fight in you in the right direction is 511 00:24:16,000 --> 00:24:17,200 Speaker 3: an appropriate skill. 512 00:24:17,000 --> 00:24:17,679 Speaker 6: Of the right direction. 513 00:24:18,200 --> 00:24:23,000 Speaker 2: He's been no for real, he he has I agree, 514 00:24:23,000 --> 00:24:26,040 Speaker 2: the bars on the frickin floor, but at least he 515 00:24:26,119 --> 00:24:30,480 Speaker 2: has been forceful aggressive. Some of his post election analysis 516 00:24:30,520 --> 00:24:33,320 Speaker 2: has been correct. He does understand at least the new 517 00:24:33,320 --> 00:24:34,200 Speaker 2: media landscape. 518 00:24:34,240 --> 00:24:36,480 Speaker 6: So yeah, it could be worse. 519 00:24:36,560 --> 00:24:37,680 Speaker 1: Okay, it could be worse. 520 00:24:37,720 --> 00:24:40,159 Speaker 3: I think they should hire Parker Parker Short, the kid 521 00:24:40,160 --> 00:24:40,960 Speaker 3: who's been on our show. 522 00:24:41,040 --> 00:24:42,240 Speaker 6: Oh I love God, that'll be good. 523 00:24:42,320 --> 00:24:42,520 Speaker 2: Yeah. 524 00:24:42,560 --> 00:24:44,240 Speaker 1: See he's he's the type of person. 525 00:24:44,400 --> 00:24:47,639 Speaker 3: Hey, David, if you're listening, uh, you should hire Parker Short. 526 00:24:47,680 --> 00:24:50,160 Speaker 3: That that is an an immediate endorsement as far as 527 00:24:50,160 --> 00:24:51,520 Speaker 3: that's going to carry from me. 528 00:24:54,119 --> 00:24:55,560 Speaker 1: All right, let's get to Tucker Carlson. 529 00:24:55,600 --> 00:24:58,520 Speaker 3: He had an interesting exchange with Piers Morgan where the 530 00:24:58,560 --> 00:25:02,160 Speaker 3: topic of Gaza and Israel came up calling out Ben 531 00:25:02,240 --> 00:25:03,880 Speaker 3: Shapiro on the topic of war. 532 00:25:04,160 --> 00:25:04,960 Speaker 1: Let's take a listen. 533 00:25:05,320 --> 00:25:09,280 Speaker 9: If you're intentionally killing civilians, you probably shouldn't beat your 534 00:25:09,359 --> 00:25:10,280 Speaker 9: chest and brag about it. 535 00:25:10,480 --> 00:25:12,000 Speaker 8: You know, maybe you could make it agree with that. 536 00:25:12,040 --> 00:25:13,639 Speaker 9: Maybe you make the case that we had to do 537 00:25:13,680 --> 00:25:16,240 Speaker 9: it or whatever, but you should you should weep. 538 00:25:16,520 --> 00:25:18,520 Speaker 8: And that's evil and you should just say it's evil. 539 00:25:18,560 --> 00:25:21,000 Speaker 9: And I know it's like really threatening to is it evil, 540 00:25:21,080 --> 00:25:22,560 Speaker 9: Ben Shapiro to say that or whatever? 541 00:25:22,600 --> 00:25:24,439 Speaker 8: But is it evil to kill civilians on purpose? Yet 542 00:25:24,440 --> 00:25:24,600 Speaker 8: it is? 543 00:25:24,600 --> 00:25:27,159 Speaker 9: I think it is kids and children? Well, how is 544 00:25:27,200 --> 00:25:30,400 Speaker 9: it not? Actually we can call it whatever you want. 545 00:25:30,480 --> 00:25:32,119 Speaker 9: How is it right to kill women and children? 546 00:25:32,200 --> 00:25:34,480 Speaker 8: I didn't say, well, because I think there's a moral 547 00:25:34,560 --> 00:25:36,560 Speaker 8: right behind you. If you are literally to kill women 548 00:25:36,600 --> 00:25:38,760 Speaker 8: and children, if as a world war that threatens the 549 00:25:38,880 --> 00:25:41,880 Speaker 8: entire if it threatens the entire world, Yes. 550 00:25:41,760 --> 00:25:43,440 Speaker 9: Some people killed your kids, like your eight year old 551 00:25:44,440 --> 00:25:49,040 Speaker 9: children justifiable because actually you have to well, by your cristire, 552 00:25:49,119 --> 00:25:49,720 Speaker 9: it's disgusting. 553 00:25:49,760 --> 00:25:53,240 Speaker 8: Okay, it's nothing. So no war is morally justified. I 554 00:25:53,280 --> 00:25:54,840 Speaker 8: mean I think it's pretty hard to justify. 555 00:25:54,880 --> 00:25:57,960 Speaker 9: I mean, yeah, you know, a pure defensive action, sure, 556 00:25:58,920 --> 00:26:01,840 Speaker 9: but all I'm saying, Look, it's all ugly, it's all 557 00:26:01,840 --> 00:26:02,399 Speaker 9: hard to stomach. 558 00:26:02,400 --> 00:26:04,760 Speaker 8: I've actually seen some of it up close. Super ugly. 559 00:26:05,000 --> 00:26:07,480 Speaker 8: You say you hate let me mat Mafo the fact. 560 00:26:08,960 --> 00:26:14,480 Speaker 9: Justified to intentionally kill noncombatants, women and children. I think 561 00:26:14,520 --> 00:26:16,439 Speaker 9: we can say that's wrong. In fact, I thought that 562 00:26:16,480 --> 00:26:17,760 Speaker 9: was the thing we were fighting against. 563 00:26:18,200 --> 00:26:19,720 Speaker 1: Hmmm, very interesting. 564 00:26:19,760 --> 00:26:23,640 Speaker 3: This is, of course invited now some serious pushback from 565 00:26:23,640 --> 00:26:25,560 Speaker 3: the Daily Wire. Let's put this up there on the screen. 566 00:26:25,880 --> 00:26:30,119 Speaker 3: CEO Jeremy Boring. Anyone still blind to what Tucker is 567 00:26:30,160 --> 00:26:31,280 Speaker 3: doing is wilfully so. 568 00:26:31,520 --> 00:26:32,560 Speaker 1: He isn't hiding it. 569 00:26:32,760 --> 00:26:35,040 Speaker 3: When a man has worse things to say about Winston 570 00:26:35,119 --> 00:26:36,639 Speaker 3: Churchill and Ben Shapiro. 571 00:26:36,920 --> 00:26:39,080 Speaker 1: Notice the Churchill and Ben Shapiro. 572 00:26:40,520 --> 00:26:43,719 Speaker 3: Then Vladimir putin a Nazi apologists. 573 00:26:43,880 --> 00:26:46,840 Speaker 1: He's making his position pretty clear. 574 00:26:46,920 --> 00:26:50,399 Speaker 3: Somebody followed up and replied to him saying, Tucker is 575 00:26:50,400 --> 00:26:53,760 Speaker 3: actually spot on. Any life lost in war is a tragedy. 576 00:26:53,800 --> 00:26:56,080 Speaker 3: That's what he's trying to express. Jeremy says, that is 577 00:26:56,119 --> 00:26:57,760 Speaker 3: not what he's trying to express. Tucker is one of 578 00:26:57,760 --> 00:27:01,159 Speaker 3: the most gifted communicators of his generation. He isn't just 579 00:27:01,480 --> 00:27:06,359 Speaker 3: misunderstood and anyway, Yeah, this is just the latest in 580 00:27:06,440 --> 00:27:09,000 Speaker 3: this break between the two. But I thought it was 581 00:27:09,080 --> 00:27:12,040 Speaker 3: fascinating to see Peers there. I guess it actually fits 582 00:27:12,080 --> 00:27:14,600 Speaker 3: with his British heritage. They are the people who really 583 00:27:14,600 --> 00:27:17,679 Speaker 3: were the original pushers of area bombing otherwise known as 584 00:27:17,760 --> 00:27:21,240 Speaker 3: strategic sorry the counter true strategic bombing, which is bombing 585 00:27:21,400 --> 00:27:23,520 Speaker 3: of unch people in World War Two in the middle 586 00:27:23,520 --> 00:27:26,080 Speaker 3: of the night. They stuck by that position, bomber Harris 587 00:27:26,119 --> 00:27:28,560 Speaker 3: and their admirals and others. It's something or sorry. They're 588 00:27:28,600 --> 00:27:31,600 Speaker 3: generals and others. They're very proud of that legacy, and 589 00:27:31,760 --> 00:27:35,200 Speaker 3: it seems that that's trickled here into some of these debates. 590 00:27:35,200 --> 00:27:38,679 Speaker 3: But I think it's fascinating to watch for Peers and 591 00:27:38,720 --> 00:27:42,199 Speaker 3: others whenever they get pushed on that position, especially with 592 00:27:42,280 --> 00:27:43,160 Speaker 3: that last thing that he said. 593 00:27:43,160 --> 00:27:44,040 Speaker 1: He goes, I thought that's what. 594 00:27:44,000 --> 00:27:46,439 Speaker 3: We were fighting against, and you're like, oh, hold on 595 00:27:46,480 --> 00:27:49,600 Speaker 3: a second. It's like, well, actually, you know, you can 596 00:27:49,680 --> 00:27:53,520 Speaker 3: be quote pro Israel or whatever and also just be like, hey, 597 00:27:53,560 --> 00:27:55,400 Speaker 3: some of the way that this war has been conducted 598 00:27:55,720 --> 00:27:58,800 Speaker 3: is totally outside of the norms of the way that 599 00:27:58,920 --> 00:28:03,119 Speaker 3: any modern West in power fights. But that situation, like 600 00:28:03,160 --> 00:28:04,919 Speaker 3: if you know, you and I have experienced this. If 601 00:28:04,960 --> 00:28:07,360 Speaker 3: you talk about that, you're really smeared as an anti Semite. 602 00:28:07,600 --> 00:28:08,879 Speaker 1: It's great. The whole thing is crazy. 603 00:28:08,960 --> 00:28:11,360 Speaker 2: Well, Pierce has really tried to hold on to this 604 00:28:11,480 --> 00:28:16,320 Speaker 2: sort of like both sides middle ground in the you know, 605 00:28:16,400 --> 00:28:20,560 Speaker 2: post October seventh world, and you can see pretty clearly 606 00:28:20,600 --> 00:28:23,399 Speaker 2: there how that just falls apart, Like at this point, 607 00:28:23,520 --> 00:28:27,040 Speaker 2: really all of Gaza is destroyed. We have no idea 608 00:28:27,040 --> 00:28:29,560 Speaker 2: how many people were killed. The majority of them were women, 609 00:28:29,720 --> 00:28:33,560 Speaker 2: children and the elderly. Like, it's just undeniable at this point. 610 00:28:33,680 --> 00:28:36,000 Speaker 2: I mean, he says this thing that's so preposterous that 611 00:28:36,080 --> 00:28:37,960 Speaker 2: like the entire world was threatened. 612 00:28:38,000 --> 00:28:40,240 Speaker 6: Like, give me a break. 613 00:28:40,920 --> 00:28:44,440 Speaker 2: What happened on October seventh is the absolute maximal amount 614 00:28:44,480 --> 00:28:45,320 Speaker 2: that Hummas. 615 00:28:45,000 --> 00:28:47,040 Speaker 6: Would be able to ever pull off. 616 00:28:47,080 --> 00:28:49,600 Speaker 2: They were, by a lot of reports, like stunned at 617 00:28:49,640 --> 00:28:52,400 Speaker 2: what they were able to, you know, the damage they 618 00:28:52,440 --> 00:28:55,800 Speaker 2: were able to inflict on that day. So the position 619 00:28:56,120 --> 00:29:00,480 Speaker 2: is just preposterous. I guess what I'll say is it's 620 00:29:00,560 --> 00:29:04,600 Speaker 2: good Tucker is very influential on the right. It's good 621 00:29:04,920 --> 00:29:07,440 Speaker 2: that you have a very influential voice on the right 622 00:29:07,720 --> 00:29:11,880 Speaker 2: who is expressing concern about women and children in Gaza. 623 00:29:12,400 --> 00:29:14,920 Speaker 2: It would if if I think this is a big if, 624 00:29:14,960 --> 00:29:16,800 Speaker 2: I think it's unlikely. But we'll say, and we're about 625 00:29:16,840 --> 00:29:19,760 Speaker 2: to talk to as Israeli journalists from how Rat's talking 626 00:29:19,760 --> 00:29:22,120 Speaker 2: about the ceasefire deal and what Trump is likely to do, 627 00:29:22,160 --> 00:29:26,400 Speaker 2: et cetera, et cetera, if he were to further buck 628 00:29:26,560 --> 00:29:30,200 Speaker 2: the like pro Israel hardliners, many of whom are in 629 00:29:30,240 --> 00:29:32,360 Speaker 2: his own government now by his choice, by the way, 630 00:29:32,800 --> 00:29:37,120 Speaker 2: and you know, push BB to continue with this ceasefire deal. 631 00:29:37,480 --> 00:29:39,440 Speaker 2: It's good that there will be people like Tucker that 632 00:29:39,480 --> 00:29:39,960 Speaker 2: are there to. 633 00:29:39,880 --> 00:29:40,479 Speaker 6: Back him up. 634 00:29:40,840 --> 00:29:43,920 Speaker 2: I just see, you know, it's always irritating to me. 635 00:29:44,240 --> 00:29:46,360 Speaker 2: It's easy to go after Ben Shapiro for his pro 636 00:29:46,440 --> 00:29:50,000 Speaker 2: Israel position, like Trump has already rolled back the restrictions 637 00:29:50,040 --> 00:29:52,000 Speaker 2: on the use of two thousand pound bombs, rolled back 638 00:29:52,080 --> 00:29:54,120 Speaker 2: the restrictions on the you know, the sanctions on the 639 00:29:54,160 --> 00:29:57,600 Speaker 2: violent settlers, said we're going to clean that whole thing out, 640 00:29:57,720 --> 00:30:01,760 Speaker 2: referencing like ethnic cleansing of all of Gaza, and you 641 00:30:01,800 --> 00:30:06,080 Speaker 2: never hear any criticism of him. So, you know, Ben 642 00:30:06,120 --> 00:30:11,120 Speaker 2: Shapiro is ultimately powerless really in this situation. He's not 643 00:30:11,200 --> 00:30:14,120 Speaker 2: in government he's not the president, he's not Elon Musk, 644 00:30:14,680 --> 00:30:18,480 Speaker 2: So you know, I will have a lot more respect 645 00:30:18,600 --> 00:30:21,040 Speaker 2: if there is actually some criticism that's leveled at the 646 00:30:21,040 --> 00:30:22,640 Speaker 2: guy who actually has the power in the situation. 647 00:30:22,720 --> 00:30:25,080 Speaker 3: What I am worried about. Here's the thing right now. 648 00:30:25,160 --> 00:30:27,800 Speaker 3: And Tucker did this luckily with my friend Kurt Mills. 649 00:30:27,840 --> 00:30:28,520 Speaker 1: He did a video. 650 00:30:28,840 --> 00:30:30,800 Speaker 3: Remember we were talking about the Mike Demino thing and 651 00:30:30,840 --> 00:30:33,200 Speaker 3: the attack on him and Steve Witcotck. They did a 652 00:30:33,200 --> 00:30:36,520 Speaker 3: whole podcast actually defending the two of them. Steve Wikoff 653 00:30:36,760 --> 00:30:39,080 Speaker 3: is the key. I am the most worried about him. 654 00:30:39,120 --> 00:30:41,920 Speaker 3: The amount of fire that the Pro Israel lobby and 655 00:30:42,040 --> 00:30:45,200 Speaker 3: Washington has on him right now is insane. They are 656 00:30:45,240 --> 00:30:48,520 Speaker 3: trying to smear him as a Katari agent. They're like 657 00:30:48,600 --> 00:30:51,320 Speaker 3: literally calling which again we're talking about the Pro Israel 658 00:30:51,320 --> 00:30:54,480 Speaker 3: lobby is accusing somebody else of being a foreign. 659 00:30:54,200 --> 00:30:54,840 Speaker 6: Age sharing water. 660 00:30:54,880 --> 00:30:57,000 Speaker 1: Shall we talk about do we all want to settle 661 00:30:57,040 --> 00:30:58,800 Speaker 1: on that. You guys want to talk about foreign influence? 662 00:30:58,800 --> 00:31:01,000 Speaker 3: Should we start talking about go through your ten ninety 663 00:31:01,080 --> 00:31:04,720 Speaker 3: nines and you'r ng o's and who's uh, who's donating 664 00:31:04,920 --> 00:31:06,120 Speaker 3: to all of you? If you guys want to play 665 00:31:06,120 --> 00:31:07,240 Speaker 3: that game. We can play that game. 666 00:31:07,680 --> 00:31:08,760 Speaker 1: But that's that. 667 00:31:08,880 --> 00:31:12,080 Speaker 3: And then Mike Demino other Mark Levin literally called him 668 00:31:12,720 --> 00:31:15,320 Speaker 3: a creep. I think he called an anti semi creep 669 00:31:15,400 --> 00:31:18,320 Speaker 3: Mike Demino for saying that we should not want to 670 00:31:18,360 --> 00:31:21,960 Speaker 3: go to war with Iran. That's what it is as currently, 671 00:31:22,000 --> 00:31:23,840 Speaker 3: the state of things, where things fall. 672 00:31:23,920 --> 00:31:24,640 Speaker 1: I have no idea. 673 00:31:24,800 --> 00:31:27,920 Speaker 3: Yeah, my hope hope is that because wick Cough and 674 00:31:27,920 --> 00:31:31,560 Speaker 3: Trump are such old buddies, Trump will hopefully not let 675 00:31:31,840 --> 00:31:34,640 Speaker 3: you know, Net and Yahoo and his government sway him 676 00:31:34,640 --> 00:31:35,680 Speaker 3: to fire Witcough. 677 00:31:35,720 --> 00:31:36,920 Speaker 1: But let's all be honest. 678 00:31:36,960 --> 00:31:40,000 Speaker 3: You know about Miriam Adelson is there, She's give him 679 00:31:40,000 --> 00:31:42,000 Speaker 3: a hundred You know, she didn't give you one hundred. 680 00:31:41,800 --> 00:31:42,600 Speaker 1: Million for free. 681 00:31:43,000 --> 00:31:44,760 Speaker 3: There's a lot of people who are in this government 682 00:31:44,840 --> 00:31:47,240 Speaker 3: right now who have the ear of the pret Marco Rubio, 683 00:31:47,280 --> 00:31:48,520 Speaker 3: I mean, look at all the stuff that the guys 684 00:31:48,520 --> 00:31:50,840 Speaker 3: said previously about Israel. Mike Waltz, the stuff that he 685 00:31:50,840 --> 00:31:52,960 Speaker 3: said previously, hegseeth exactly. 686 00:31:53,080 --> 00:31:55,400 Speaker 2: Stephan, I mean her position is not that important, but 687 00:31:55,400 --> 00:31:57,360 Speaker 2: the whole reason she got the position is because of 688 00:31:57,400 --> 00:32:01,200 Speaker 2: her crazy like mccarthyites, smears of propound el Teime demonstrators. 689 00:32:01,480 --> 00:32:02,840 Speaker 1: Oh, it's de Finnic. Yes, it's fine. 690 00:32:02,880 --> 00:32:03,160 Speaker 5: Yeah. 691 00:32:04,000 --> 00:32:06,040 Speaker 6: And Mike Kakabe is the ambassador Israel. 692 00:32:06,040 --> 00:32:07,840 Speaker 2: I mean that you could not find a more psycho 693 00:32:08,240 --> 00:32:10,960 Speaker 2: like End Times Israel, no matter what kind of a guy. 694 00:32:11,120 --> 00:32:12,680 Speaker 6: So there's a lot there. 695 00:32:12,880 --> 00:32:13,080 Speaker 8: Yeah. 696 00:32:13,560 --> 00:32:17,320 Speaker 1: I don't know. I am not optimistic that any of 697 00:32:17,360 --> 00:32:17,880 Speaker 1: this will happen. 698 00:32:17,880 --> 00:32:21,160 Speaker 3: We're about to talk with this Israeli journalists about the 699 00:32:21,280 --> 00:32:23,720 Speaker 3: sy op and all those but in general, it is 700 00:32:23,800 --> 00:32:25,960 Speaker 3: good at least that somebody is calling some of this 701 00:32:26,040 --> 00:32:28,680 Speaker 3: stuff out. I really truly hope so, because if not, 702 00:32:29,280 --> 00:32:31,560 Speaker 3: we all know what the path of that looks like, 703 00:32:31,800 --> 00:32:35,200 Speaker 3: basically the Biden path with even more just open and 704 00:32:35,320 --> 00:32:37,920 Speaker 3: pro support, which I don't think is good for any 705 00:32:37,960 --> 00:32:40,400 Speaker 3: of us. Let's get to the Israeli journalists who's going 706 00:32:40,440 --> 00:32:42,240 Speaker 3: to talk to us about net Yahoo and Gaza. 707 00:32:44,960 --> 00:32:47,360 Speaker 2: We are very fortunate to be joined this morning by 708 00:32:47,560 --> 00:32:51,000 Speaker 2: a journalist for Haretzi Israeli newspapers reporting. By the way, 709 00:32:51,080 --> 00:32:53,680 Speaker 2: we have relied on quite a bed throughout the coverage 710 00:32:53,720 --> 00:32:55,720 Speaker 2: post October seventh, Amir t Bone. 711 00:32:55,760 --> 00:32:57,800 Speaker 6: He is also the author of a book called The 712 00:32:57,840 --> 00:32:59,720 Speaker 6: Gates of Gaza. Great to see you, Amir, Good to 713 00:32:59,720 --> 00:33:00,680 Speaker 6: see you, Hi. 714 00:33:00,880 --> 00:33:01,560 Speaker 5: Thanks for having me. 715 00:33:01,720 --> 00:33:03,680 Speaker 2: Yeah, it's our pleasure. Let's go and put your reporting 716 00:33:03,720 --> 00:33:06,960 Speaker 2: here up on the screen. Prime Minister Natya who is 717 00:33:07,080 --> 00:33:09,680 Speaker 2: traveling to the US. He will be the first foreign 718 00:33:09,760 --> 00:33:12,959 Speaker 2: leader to visit Trump in his new term. And your 719 00:33:13,040 --> 00:33:15,760 Speaker 2: headline here is Natnya who comes to Washington to kill 720 00:33:16,120 --> 00:33:17,280 Speaker 2: Trump's Gaza deal? 721 00:33:17,760 --> 00:33:19,520 Speaker 6: Will the President let him? 722 00:33:19,600 --> 00:33:19,640 Speaker 1: So? 723 00:33:19,760 --> 00:33:22,040 Speaker 2: What have you been able to learn about the dynamics 724 00:33:22,080 --> 00:33:25,440 Speaker 2: between Trump and BB in advance of this meeting. 725 00:33:26,800 --> 00:33:31,400 Speaker 5: Well, it's clear that President Trump picks great pride in 726 00:33:31,760 --> 00:33:36,000 Speaker 5: getting the Gaza cease fire that the previous president failed 727 00:33:36,200 --> 00:33:39,640 Speaker 5: to achieve for more than a year. And President Trump 728 00:33:39,760 --> 00:33:43,800 Speaker 5: secured a ceasefire in hostage release deal even before entering 729 00:33:43,840 --> 00:33:48,680 Speaker 5: the White House. He and his special envoice, Steve Whitcock, 730 00:33:48,680 --> 00:33:51,200 Speaker 5: who has earned a lot of respect here in Israel, 731 00:33:51,960 --> 00:33:54,880 Speaker 5: did a lot of hard work to get this deal. 732 00:33:55,680 --> 00:33:59,760 Speaker 5: But this deal is built in a very very sophisticated, 733 00:33:59,840 --> 00:34:03,960 Speaker 5: perhaps too sophisticated, of away. And a month from today 734 00:34:04,440 --> 00:34:07,320 Speaker 5: it is supposed to move from the first phase of 735 00:34:07,400 --> 00:34:10,760 Speaker 5: the deal, during which Mass is supposed to release thirty 736 00:34:10,800 --> 00:34:14,399 Speaker 5: three of our hostages. We've already released more than ten. 737 00:34:14,800 --> 00:34:18,600 Speaker 5: We are waiting for more and more of the hostages 738 00:34:18,640 --> 00:34:21,960 Speaker 5: to arrive. But then we're supposed to move into phase two, 739 00:34:22,160 --> 00:34:26,040 Speaker 5: during which all the remaining living hostages, more than twenty 740 00:34:26,080 --> 00:34:29,960 Speaker 5: of them, including two personal friends of mine, are supposed 741 00:34:29,960 --> 00:34:33,399 Speaker 5: to be released and Israel is supposed to complete its 742 00:34:33,480 --> 00:34:37,680 Speaker 5: withdrawal from Gaza. And this phase of the deal threatens 743 00:34:38,080 --> 00:34:42,400 Speaker 5: the survival of Nataniao's governing coalition, which relies on several 744 00:34:42,640 --> 00:34:47,000 Speaker 5: extremist fanatic parties that are threatening to blow up the 745 00:34:47,080 --> 00:34:51,800 Speaker 5: governing coalition and basically end Nathaniel's hold on power if. 746 00:34:51,680 --> 00:34:52,480 Speaker 8: He goes through. 747 00:34:53,040 --> 00:34:55,480 Speaker 5: So he's caught in a situation where on the one hand, 748 00:34:55,480 --> 00:34:58,399 Speaker 5: there is the survival of his coalition, on the other hand, 749 00:34:58,440 --> 00:35:01,520 Speaker 5: the survival of the hostages, and smack in the middle 750 00:35:01,680 --> 00:35:04,640 Speaker 5: is President Trump, who wants the still to continue and 751 00:35:04,840 --> 00:35:08,960 Speaker 5: wants it to be the basis for a broader Middle 752 00:35:09,000 --> 00:35:14,279 Speaker 5: East agenda centered around Israeli Saudi peace that really, first 753 00:35:14,320 --> 00:35:16,640 Speaker 5: of all, requires an end to the war in Gaza. 754 00:35:17,719 --> 00:35:20,680 Speaker 3: So, Amir, can you pair this with some comments you've 755 00:35:20,719 --> 00:35:24,160 Speaker 3: reported on there that Trump had floated. For example, He's like, oh, well, 756 00:35:24,200 --> 00:35:27,800 Speaker 3: maybe the Palestinians can temporarily go to Jordan or Egypt. 757 00:35:28,280 --> 00:35:31,359 Speaker 3: And I believe since that comment the governments of all 758 00:35:31,400 --> 00:35:33,480 Speaker 3: of those countries have come forward and said that's an 759 00:35:33,520 --> 00:35:37,320 Speaker 3: absolute non starter. So in terms of the fork in 760 00:35:37,400 --> 00:35:39,760 Speaker 3: the road, I guess, if you will, for the actual 761 00:35:40,000 --> 00:35:42,800 Speaker 3: decisions that the Trump administration has to make, they have 762 00:35:42,920 --> 00:35:46,279 Speaker 3: to decide whether Steve Witkoff and others will continue negotiations 763 00:35:46,320 --> 00:35:48,759 Speaker 3: and push for a Phase two or to support a 764 00:35:48,800 --> 00:35:50,720 Speaker 3: continuation of the war in Gaza. 765 00:35:50,800 --> 00:35:53,320 Speaker 1: Are there any other options on the table? Realistically? 766 00:35:54,800 --> 00:35:57,800 Speaker 5: I think the idea that Trump floated that some of 767 00:35:57,920 --> 00:36:03,520 Speaker 5: the Palestinians in Gaza will, from my understanding, temporarily seek 768 00:36:03,600 --> 00:36:07,680 Speaker 5: residence in a neighboring country until all the destruction in 769 00:36:07,840 --> 00:36:11,120 Speaker 5: Gaza can be removed and new housing can be built. 770 00:36:11,600 --> 00:36:14,680 Speaker 5: And the reconstruction in Gaza from this war is going 771 00:36:14,760 --> 00:36:18,560 Speaker 5: to take years. This is a very difficult situation. That's 772 00:36:18,920 --> 00:36:22,200 Speaker 5: obviously a suggestion that none of the neighboring Arab countries 773 00:36:22,280 --> 00:36:25,040 Speaker 5: like Egypt and Jordan, are willing to hear about right now. 774 00:36:25,600 --> 00:36:28,440 Speaker 5: But if it is presented as part of a package 775 00:36:28,520 --> 00:36:32,960 Speaker 5: that ends the war, that moves us toward Palestinian statehood, 776 00:36:33,440 --> 00:36:36,440 Speaker 5: that includes guarantees that all of these people will be 777 00:36:36,480 --> 00:36:39,800 Speaker 5: able to return to Gaza. No Israeli settlements built in 778 00:36:39,880 --> 00:36:43,359 Speaker 5: Gaza completely is rarely Withdrew. Maybe then it will sound 779 00:36:43,400 --> 00:36:46,520 Speaker 5: different when he just sends it on the plane, and 780 00:36:46,840 --> 00:36:49,279 Speaker 5: you know, with some reporters who don't really know the 781 00:36:49,400 --> 00:36:51,840 Speaker 5: nuance of this issue, and to be frank, I'm not 782 00:36:51,920 --> 00:36:54,080 Speaker 5: sure he knows all the nuance at this point. Either 783 00:36:54,960 --> 00:36:57,239 Speaker 5: he comes and says, oh, we want them to move 784 00:36:57,280 --> 00:36:59,839 Speaker 5: to Egypt. So of course everybody's rising up and saying, 785 00:36:59,880 --> 00:37:02,520 Speaker 5: no way we're going to accept that. The Egyptians, the Jordanians, 786 00:37:02,560 --> 00:37:05,200 Speaker 5: the Palestinians, we saw over the weekend, the CDs and 787 00:37:05,280 --> 00:37:08,560 Speaker 5: the poweries, you know, very important countries in this whole 788 00:37:08,600 --> 00:37:10,920 Speaker 5: process also coming out against it. So I think if 789 00:37:10,960 --> 00:37:13,080 Speaker 5: Trump has a real idea here that he wants to 790 00:37:13,200 --> 00:37:16,719 Speaker 5: sell to the relevant art countries, it needs to be 791 00:37:16,880 --> 00:37:19,759 Speaker 5: part of a broader package, and it needs to be 792 00:37:19,840 --> 00:37:22,160 Speaker 5: explained as part of a move to end the war, 793 00:37:22,680 --> 00:37:26,640 Speaker 5: reconstruct Gaza, and put us on a path to Palestinian statehood, 794 00:37:26,640 --> 00:37:31,239 Speaker 5: which is supposed to be part of this brand Israeli Saudi. 795 00:37:31,040 --> 00:37:32,200 Speaker 8: Deal that he's trying to take. 796 00:37:32,800 --> 00:37:35,879 Speaker 5: So there's a lot of diplomatic ideas floating around right now, 797 00:37:36,440 --> 00:37:40,080 Speaker 5: and I think we should bread every statement we hear 798 00:37:40,239 --> 00:37:41,839 Speaker 5: with a bit of caution at this moment. 799 00:37:42,280 --> 00:37:44,280 Speaker 2: Yeah, we can put up two up on the screen, 800 00:37:44,640 --> 00:37:47,279 Speaker 2: which you know, underscores what you all were saying that 801 00:37:47,400 --> 00:37:52,479 Speaker 2: there was a widespread rejection from Saudi Arabia, UAA, Cutar, Egypt, Jordan, 802 00:37:52,520 --> 00:37:54,840 Speaker 2: and Palestinian Authority and the Arab League all said in 803 00:37:54,920 --> 00:37:58,120 Speaker 2: a joint statement they oppose President Trump's plan to move 804 00:37:58,320 --> 00:38:03,399 Speaker 2: Palestinians from Gaza under any excuse the language, of course 805 00:38:03,440 --> 00:38:05,600 Speaker 2: that he used, saying we need to quote clean that 806 00:38:05,719 --> 00:38:08,600 Speaker 2: whole thing out, something along those lines. 807 00:38:08,719 --> 00:38:11,839 Speaker 5: That's like real estate language. That's not diplomatic. 808 00:38:11,360 --> 00:38:14,360 Speaker 2: Language, right, Well, I mean it's ethnic cleansing language, is 809 00:38:14,480 --> 00:38:18,680 Speaker 2: effectively what it is. And how could anybody given that 810 00:38:18,760 --> 00:38:22,360 Speaker 2: you have within you know, THENT Nyaho Coalition, NET Nyaho himself, 811 00:38:23,000 --> 00:38:26,160 Speaker 2: these extremists who are quite open about we want to 812 00:38:26,840 --> 00:38:30,520 Speaker 2: push out the Palestinians, we want to completely settle and 813 00:38:30,600 --> 00:38:33,799 Speaker 2: take over not just Gaza but also the West Bank, 814 00:38:34,239 --> 00:38:37,480 Speaker 2: how could you ever have any assurance that this wasn't just, 815 00:38:37,719 --> 00:38:41,200 Speaker 2: you know, an attempt at a final complete ethnic cleansing 816 00:38:41,680 --> 00:38:43,600 Speaker 2: of both Gaza and the West Bank. 817 00:38:44,800 --> 00:38:47,640 Speaker 5: I think one of the things President Trump is going 818 00:38:47,719 --> 00:38:50,360 Speaker 5: to learn as he navigates this issue is that the 819 00:38:50,480 --> 00:38:53,239 Speaker 5: current coalition in Israel is not going to make his 820 00:38:53,400 --> 00:38:56,840 Speaker 5: life easier in any way, because that's just the example 821 00:38:56,880 --> 00:39:00,800 Speaker 5: you gave now. Where an idea that to be presented 822 00:39:01,200 --> 00:39:04,080 Speaker 5: with the right language, with the right assurances, with the 823 00:39:04,200 --> 00:39:08,120 Speaker 5: right funding, as a temporary solution that allows to rebuild 824 00:39:08,160 --> 00:39:10,879 Speaker 5: Gaza and then prepare beggers housing for all the people 825 00:39:10,920 --> 00:39:12,919 Speaker 5: who lost their homes in this war, and we're thinking 826 00:39:12,960 --> 00:39:16,319 Speaker 5: about hundreds of thousands, potentially more than a million people 827 00:39:16,360 --> 00:39:20,239 Speaker 5: who lost their homes. That kind of plan will immediately 828 00:39:20,360 --> 00:39:23,960 Speaker 5: run into a wall of suspicion because it is being 829 00:39:24,040 --> 00:39:27,920 Speaker 5: associated with people like Betzellar's Mootridge, the far right finance 830 00:39:28,000 --> 00:39:31,239 Speaker 5: minister of the current Natanial government, who is openly celebrating 831 00:39:31,280 --> 00:39:35,040 Speaker 5: the idea of emptying Galazza from its residents. And once 832 00:39:35,120 --> 00:39:38,879 Speaker 5: he makes that kind of statement, then automatically you're going 833 00:39:38,960 --> 00:39:41,640 Speaker 5: to see all of the relevant Arab countries coming and 834 00:39:41,719 --> 00:39:44,640 Speaker 5: saying we want nothing to do with it. And Smotridge 835 00:39:44,680 --> 00:39:47,800 Speaker 5: is right now pressuring NATANIAO. You know, as we're speaking, 836 00:39:47,880 --> 00:39:50,920 Speaker 5: he put out a statement that if NATANIAU agrees to 837 00:39:51,160 --> 00:39:53,400 Speaker 5: end the war so that we can go into phase 838 00:39:53,480 --> 00:39:57,520 Speaker 5: two of the hostage negotiations and save the remaining hostages. 839 00:39:57,600 --> 00:40:01,600 Speaker 5: He's blowing up the government. It's important to understand that 840 00:40:01,719 --> 00:40:04,799 Speaker 5: for the hostage families in Israel, and I know many 841 00:40:04,880 --> 00:40:08,160 Speaker 5: of them personally, and you know I'm talking here about 842 00:40:08,239 --> 00:40:11,680 Speaker 5: friends of mine and their families, they see President Trump 843 00:40:12,760 --> 00:40:16,680 Speaker 5: and Stephen Wickock as their last source of hope, literally 844 00:40:17,200 --> 00:40:20,200 Speaker 5: literally the light at the end of the tunnel, because 845 00:40:20,239 --> 00:40:22,320 Speaker 5: we know some of these hostages are being held in 846 00:40:22,440 --> 00:40:27,640 Speaker 5: inhumane conditions in tunnels underground, being starved, being tortured. And 847 00:40:27,719 --> 00:40:30,759 Speaker 5: then comes President Trump and Stepping Whitkof and they put 848 00:40:30,840 --> 00:40:34,759 Speaker 5: together this deal that says, within three phases, all the 849 00:40:34,840 --> 00:40:39,719 Speaker 5: hostages are released, the war ends, Israel withdraws from Gaza. 850 00:40:39,760 --> 00:40:40,919 Speaker 8: And this is over. 851 00:40:41,680 --> 00:40:44,920 Speaker 5: And instead of saying, well, okay, this is the way 852 00:40:45,000 --> 00:40:47,400 Speaker 5: to do it, now, we're seeing politicians from within our 853 00:40:47,480 --> 00:40:51,560 Speaker 5: government pressuring Natanielle to say no, and not only that, 854 00:40:51,719 --> 00:40:55,959 Speaker 5: to try to convince Trump himself to disregard the deal 855 00:40:56,520 --> 00:40:58,680 Speaker 5: that he was so proud of just two weeks ago 856 00:40:58,719 --> 00:40:59,680 Speaker 5: when he entered office. 857 00:41:00,560 --> 00:41:03,680 Speaker 3: So, Amir, this is my big question then is if 858 00:41:04,000 --> 00:41:07,719 Speaker 3: does Trump have the political ability Steve Wikoff and others 859 00:41:07,760 --> 00:41:09,200 Speaker 3: so well, by the way, I'm not sure if you're aware, 860 00:41:09,200 --> 00:41:11,200 Speaker 3: I'm under major attack in our country. 861 00:41:11,320 --> 00:41:13,360 Speaker 1: Also, people who are aligned with the. 862 00:41:14,160 --> 00:41:17,360 Speaker 3: With the is really far right, Well, do they have 863 00:41:17,640 --> 00:41:20,239 Speaker 3: the ability to force any of that, because, as you said, 864 00:41:20,280 --> 00:41:23,759 Speaker 3: if the government falls, there's no guarantee what comes next. 865 00:41:23,920 --> 00:41:26,560 Speaker 3: What does that scenario look like or is there some 866 00:41:26,800 --> 00:41:31,320 Speaker 3: thread the needle scenario where Trump does force Nataiaou to 867 00:41:31,440 --> 00:41:34,120 Speaker 3: take this deal, continue the Steve wid Cooff and other 868 00:41:34,440 --> 00:41:36,960 Speaker 3: negotiations that does not lead to the falling of the government, 869 00:41:37,080 --> 00:41:38,320 Speaker 3: or is that just simply inevitable. 870 00:41:39,520 --> 00:41:43,480 Speaker 5: So I think President Trump is surrounded by a lot 871 00:41:43,520 --> 00:41:47,600 Speaker 5: of people who are blind admirers of Nataniel and are 872 00:41:47,680 --> 00:41:51,800 Speaker 5: perhaps not giving the president the best advice possible. For example, 873 00:41:51,880 --> 00:41:55,000 Speaker 5: Netaniao and his right hand man Ron Dermer will probably 874 00:41:55,040 --> 00:41:58,440 Speaker 5: tell President Trump that can't follow through with the feasefire 875 00:41:58,480 --> 00:42:01,160 Speaker 5: because the government will fall apart, and that this is 876 00:42:01,280 --> 00:42:04,440 Speaker 5: bad for Trump because it will cause a stalemate in 877 00:42:04,520 --> 00:42:08,840 Speaker 5: the Middle East. But if you actually check very simple 878 00:42:09,000 --> 00:42:11,720 Speaker 5: press statements being made out in the open in Israel, 879 00:42:11,920 --> 00:42:15,080 Speaker 5: you will see that the leaders of the important opposition 880 00:42:15,200 --> 00:42:19,719 Speaker 5: parties today today, not a month ago, came out and 881 00:42:19,800 --> 00:42:23,480 Speaker 5: said that if Natanieu loses his majority because of the 882 00:42:23,560 --> 00:42:26,879 Speaker 5: hostage deal, because of the ceasefire, they will give him 883 00:42:27,360 --> 00:42:30,440 Speaker 5: temporary support for at least several months so that he 884 00:42:30,560 --> 00:42:34,640 Speaker 5: doesn't lose power and the hostage and ceasefire deal collapses. Wow, 885 00:42:34,880 --> 00:42:37,719 Speaker 5: which means that any other claim is a lie. Now, 886 00:42:37,840 --> 00:42:41,759 Speaker 5: Nataniel prefers the far right coalition that is against the 887 00:42:41,800 --> 00:42:45,640 Speaker 5: hostage deal because that gives him the potential to hold 888 00:42:45,719 --> 00:42:48,640 Speaker 5: power for another two years. That's why he prefers it. 889 00:42:49,160 --> 00:42:51,960 Speaker 5: But from President Trump's point of view, he should know 890 00:42:52,640 --> 00:42:55,160 Speaker 5: that if Nataniel comes and said I can't do this 891 00:42:55,200 --> 00:42:57,719 Speaker 5: still for political reasons, that's not true. He will get 892 00:42:57,800 --> 00:43:01,240 Speaker 5: a few months of support from the opposition to complete 893 00:43:01,360 --> 00:43:04,440 Speaker 5: the hostage release and cease fire deal. Because for the 894 00:43:04,640 --> 00:43:08,160 Speaker 5: vast majority of Israelis, the release of the hostages is 895 00:43:08,200 --> 00:43:11,600 Speaker 5: today the number one priority. This is something that unites 896 00:43:11,680 --> 00:43:14,319 Speaker 5: a huge percentage of the population. We want to see 897 00:43:14,400 --> 00:43:18,200 Speaker 5: them come back home and end this night. Now, I 898 00:43:18,280 --> 00:43:21,680 Speaker 5: don't know if there will be enough people around President 899 00:43:21,719 --> 00:43:25,000 Speaker 5: Trump who are strong enough and knowledgeable enough about our 900 00:43:25,280 --> 00:43:28,279 Speaker 5: internal politics to present the facts to him in a 901 00:43:28,320 --> 00:43:32,239 Speaker 5: way that overcomes the spin and the excuses that he 902 00:43:32,280 --> 00:43:35,640 Speaker 5: will hear from Nataniel. But I'm confident that if President 903 00:43:35,719 --> 00:43:38,879 Speaker 5: Trump insists on this, we will see the deal come through. 904 00:43:39,480 --> 00:43:43,520 Speaker 5: There will be ceasefire, the hostages will return, and Nathaniel 905 00:43:43,920 --> 00:43:46,080 Speaker 5: will find a way to manage it politically with the 906 00:43:46,120 --> 00:43:47,640 Speaker 5: opposition parties here in Israel. 907 00:43:48,200 --> 00:43:50,239 Speaker 2: He seems to always find a way to survive, if 908 00:43:50,320 --> 00:43:52,239 Speaker 2: one way or another. I mean, thank you so much 909 00:43:52,280 --> 00:43:53,160 Speaker 2: for your analysis today. 910 00:43:53,160 --> 00:43:54,320 Speaker 1: Thank you Mary, very helpful. 911 00:43:54,719 --> 00:43:56,320 Speaker 6: Thanks for having me, It's our pleasure. 912 00:43:56,480 --> 00:43:57,960 Speaker 3: Thank you guys so much for watching. Well, a great 913 00:43:58,040 --> 00:43:59,880 Speaker 3: jow for everybody tomorrow and we'll see you all then. 914 00:44:00,960 --> 00:44:05,160 Speaker 4: But speak, speak to