1 00:00:00,040 --> 00:00:05,040 Speaker 1: Paper Ghosts is a production of I Heart Radio. So 2 00:00:05,200 --> 00:00:07,240 Speaker 1: here's the only one that saw or anything. And I 3 00:00:07,320 --> 00:00:09,840 Speaker 1: decided all I was doing is going for a gallon 4 00:00:09,920 --> 00:00:17,440 Speaker 1: of milk. The last time I spoke with Nancy McDonald, 5 00:00:17,920 --> 00:00:22,439 Speaker 1: I told her I would gather some photos of potential suspects. Nancy, 6 00:00:22,520 --> 00:00:25,880 Speaker 1: is that neighbor you heard in episode one she witnessed 7 00:00:25,880 --> 00:00:29,560 Speaker 1: a station wagon blocking the road and a man walking 8 00:00:29,560 --> 00:00:33,080 Speaker 1: towards the direction of Jane's pocket, the seven year old 9 00:00:33,080 --> 00:00:35,640 Speaker 1: girl who went missing while trying to find a dead 10 00:00:35,640 --> 00:00:38,960 Speaker 1: butterfly on the side of the road. I wanted to 11 00:00:39,000 --> 00:00:43,960 Speaker 1: know if Nancy would recognize anyone in the photos. I 12 00:00:44,000 --> 00:00:47,159 Speaker 1: met Nancy at her son's house. We sat across from 13 00:00:47,200 --> 00:00:50,319 Speaker 1: each other at the dining room table. I pulled out 14 00:00:50,360 --> 00:00:53,519 Speaker 1: the photos and began, one by one, placing them in 15 00:00:53,560 --> 00:00:56,720 Speaker 1: front of her. Among them a couple of photos of 16 00:00:56,920 --> 00:01:00,639 Speaker 1: randomly selected men and a few suspects who have been 17 00:01:00,640 --> 00:01:04,720 Speaker 1: tied to Janice's case at some point or another. So 18 00:01:04,840 --> 00:01:07,200 Speaker 1: here's the first picture. And I know it's not side too, 19 00:01:07,319 --> 00:01:11,200 Speaker 1: and it's not good, but you know clear enough. Yeah, 20 00:01:11,760 --> 00:01:15,760 Speaker 1: here's a clearer one. Now that's younger, he's younger. There 21 00:01:15,760 --> 00:01:18,480 Speaker 1: than you would have seen him. Nancy took about ten 22 00:01:18,560 --> 00:01:21,480 Speaker 1: minutes looking at all of the images, five in total, 23 00:01:22,319 --> 00:01:25,320 Speaker 1: pictures of men fitting the description of the person she 24 00:01:25,440 --> 00:01:31,560 Speaker 1: saw that July afternoon in Vree. She was focused and 25 00:01:31,640 --> 00:01:35,240 Speaker 1: wanted to be certain. Yeah, this guy did not have 26 00:01:36,040 --> 00:01:38,360 Speaker 1: he wouldn't have had that. He didn't always heat didn't 27 00:01:38,480 --> 00:01:40,720 Speaker 1: he didn't have it, and it wasn't wearing a halt. 28 00:01:42,160 --> 00:01:46,720 Speaker 1: The coloring of his hair is about right. Nancy picked 29 00:01:46,720 --> 00:01:52,520 Speaker 1: one photo. She said she recognized the guy's nose, hairline, profile, 30 00:01:53,200 --> 00:01:58,880 Speaker 1: and build. It was Bob LaRosa. Then I showed her 31 00:01:58,920 --> 00:02:04,200 Speaker 1: several photos of vehicles, and again Nancy picked out only 32 00:02:04,280 --> 00:02:10,360 Speaker 1: one vehicle from the bunch, Bob's station wagon. It's anecdotal, 33 00:02:10,520 --> 00:02:14,000 Speaker 1: I realized, not science. But it helps me to understand 34 00:02:14,000 --> 00:02:16,560 Speaker 1: that every step, every move I make to try to 35 00:02:16,639 --> 00:02:20,880 Speaker 1: exclude Bob lar Rosa only brings me that much closer 36 00:02:21,480 --> 00:02:31,200 Speaker 1: to him. Previously on paper ghosts, Nathan was always known 37 00:02:31,240 --> 00:02:32,920 Speaker 1: to be kind of at the back of the house, 38 00:02:33,200 --> 00:02:36,160 Speaker 1: kind of staring at the kids playing. Lisa being one 39 00:02:36,200 --> 00:02:39,840 Speaker 1: of them, and Nathan was like obsessed with her, would 40 00:02:39,880 --> 00:02:44,000 Speaker 1: always watch her. If my sister was to have gotten hurt, 41 00:02:45,200 --> 00:02:47,079 Speaker 1: I don't know one way or another. I hopefully it 42 00:02:47,120 --> 00:02:49,120 Speaker 1: didn't happen that way. But if anybody was to have 43 00:02:49,200 --> 00:02:51,640 Speaker 1: done something, I had have blamed Junior before I had 44 00:02:51,720 --> 00:02:57,239 Speaker 1: blamed Bob. Uncle. Bobby was a dangerous man. So claim 45 00:02:57,400 --> 00:03:01,760 Speaker 1: that the girls were put in the friend well. Yes, 46 00:03:01,800 --> 00:03:05,320 Speaker 1: he explained how to take a bar, open up the 47 00:03:05,400 --> 00:03:08,560 Speaker 1: well and then slide it back. And we have that outworth. 48 00:03:10,320 --> 00:03:19,200 Speaker 1: My name is and William Phelps. This is paper ghosts Terry, 49 00:03:19,200 --> 00:03:23,760 Speaker 1: what's going on? Holy sh it? So you know my 50 00:03:23,840 --> 00:03:28,320 Speaker 1: sister's birthday. As the summer headed toward an end, I 51 00:03:28,400 --> 00:03:31,800 Speaker 1: received a frantic call from Terry Shanks one late afternoon. 52 00:03:32,919 --> 00:03:35,360 Speaker 1: Terry is one of Susan Lerosa's sisters. You heard in 53 00:03:35,440 --> 00:03:40,000 Speaker 1: episode three. She posted something on Facebook to honor her 54 00:03:40,040 --> 00:03:44,600 Speaker 1: late sister's birthday in July, and sometime after publishing the post, 55 00:03:44,880 --> 00:03:47,480 Speaker 1: she received a message from a woman whose brother in 56 00:03:47,640 --> 00:03:52,200 Speaker 1: law was best friends with Bob Lerosa. I never felt 57 00:03:52,200 --> 00:03:54,960 Speaker 1: like this before in my life. I've never felt this 58 00:03:55,920 --> 00:04:02,880 Speaker 1: traveled or freaked out in my entire life. Ums everything. 59 00:04:04,000 --> 00:04:06,720 Speaker 1: I received a lot of these leads, many I've left 60 00:04:06,760 --> 00:04:10,280 Speaker 1: out of this podcast because they'd send you down an 61 00:04:10,320 --> 00:04:14,040 Speaker 1: unnecessary rabbit hole the way they've done to me. Most 62 00:04:14,080 --> 00:04:17,480 Speaker 1: I investigate and then they fizzle out quickly. I remember 63 00:04:17,520 --> 00:04:20,039 Speaker 1: my sister Susan hung out to that guy. He's shoot 64 00:04:20,120 --> 00:04:23,400 Speaker 1: up with him. But as Terry explained, what was a 65 00:04:23,480 --> 00:04:26,400 Speaker 1: sordid picture this woman painted of her brother in law, 66 00:04:27,160 --> 00:04:30,960 Speaker 1: who he knew, and where he lived. It fit into 67 00:04:30,960 --> 00:04:35,040 Speaker 1: the framework of what I had been investigating. It felt 68 00:04:35,080 --> 00:04:43,040 Speaker 1: like a line of inquiry. I needed to follow, Hi, Susanne, 69 00:04:43,400 --> 00:04:48,080 Speaker 1: how are you doing? Am I okay? Until actually I 70 00:04:48,160 --> 00:04:53,039 Speaker 1: feel a little relieved, like carrying this stuff in my 71 00:04:53,120 --> 00:04:58,720 Speaker 1: brain for a while. Suzanne St. Louis is the woman 72 00:04:58,720 --> 00:05:01,880 Speaker 1: who reached out to Terry Banks via Facebook. She grew 73 00:05:01,920 --> 00:05:04,320 Speaker 1: up on Crystal Lake, about a third of a mile 74 00:05:04,440 --> 00:05:08,480 Speaker 1: from the old LaRosa Home. Suzanne's sister married a guy 75 00:05:08,600 --> 00:05:12,839 Speaker 1: who she recalls was best friends with Bob Larrossa during 76 00:05:12,880 --> 00:05:16,800 Speaker 1: the late sixties early seventies. Her brother in law was 77 00:05:16,880 --> 00:05:20,920 Speaker 1: twenty when he groomed her fifteen year old sister into 78 00:05:20,960 --> 00:05:25,080 Speaker 1: a sexual relationship. After passing out one day in class, 79 00:05:25,800 --> 00:05:31,680 Speaker 1: Suzanne's sister realized she was pregnant. That is actually sexual assault. 80 00:05:32,279 --> 00:05:41,880 Speaker 1: The guy was twenty. Suzanne's sister fifteen a child. Suzanne 81 00:05:41,920 --> 00:05:45,640 Speaker 1: speaks with a stoic affect. It's hard to read how 82 00:05:45,720 --> 00:05:49,040 Speaker 1: she feels about what she's saying. But when I asked 83 00:05:49,040 --> 00:05:51,280 Speaker 1: her what kind of a guy her brother in law was, 84 00:05:52,080 --> 00:05:55,599 Speaker 1: that question fires up some emotion in her voice, and 85 00:05:55,680 --> 00:05:59,280 Speaker 1: there is no mistaking how she feels and what kind 86 00:05:59,320 --> 00:06:01,520 Speaker 1: of guy was he? Then? Because thin kind of guy 87 00:06:01,560 --> 00:06:08,159 Speaker 1: he died as come back Peters a wife, Peter a drunk, 88 00:06:10,120 --> 00:06:15,800 Speaker 1: never worked, pretty much an asshole. My sister was definitely 89 00:06:15,800 --> 00:06:19,359 Speaker 1: afraid of him, that I know. I bring Bob Larrossa 90 00:06:19,480 --> 00:06:23,400 Speaker 1: into the conversation. Oh were they were friends for years? 91 00:06:23,440 --> 00:06:25,680 Speaker 1: I think they were friends before he ever even married 92 00:06:25,680 --> 00:06:29,560 Speaker 1: my sister. And what would they do together? All around? Again, 93 00:06:29,560 --> 00:06:34,080 Speaker 1: they drive around together, go get wasted, drunk whatever. My 94 00:06:34,160 --> 00:06:37,320 Speaker 1: brother in law used to steal stuff. I mean, you know, 95 00:06:37,440 --> 00:06:39,359 Speaker 1: we show up with stuff that you knew he stole 96 00:06:40,400 --> 00:06:46,719 Speaker 1: from where nobody knew. It was August, two months after 97 00:06:46,760 --> 00:06:50,520 Speaker 1: Susan LaRosa went missing, when Suzanne's sister and brother in 98 00:06:50,640 --> 00:06:56,200 Speaker 1: law and their young daughter moved to Rockville, Connecticut whereabouts 99 00:06:58,560 --> 00:07:01,919 Speaker 1: in the corner of the village and War Street, So 100 00:07:02,320 --> 00:07:08,000 Speaker 1: right next to where Bob Larrossa lived. Yeah, it's a fact. 101 00:07:08,120 --> 00:07:11,440 Speaker 1: Bob Larrossa lived Downward Street, just around the block from 102 00:07:11,440 --> 00:07:14,320 Speaker 1: the witness, another one of his close friends who has 103 00:07:14,360 --> 00:07:18,880 Speaker 1: recently been talking about buried bodies in water wells. Now 104 00:07:18,880 --> 00:07:21,920 Speaker 1: we have this new person of interest, the violent brother 105 00:07:21,960 --> 00:07:25,840 Speaker 1: in law, living within one minute from both men, and 106 00:07:26,040 --> 00:07:30,440 Speaker 1: of course Nathan Rossa just a ten minute drive away, 107 00:07:30,720 --> 00:07:34,040 Speaker 1: living across from Crystal Lake. Suzanne says her brother in 108 00:07:34,160 --> 00:07:38,960 Speaker 1: law's apartment was party central weed booze guys hanging around, 109 00:07:39,320 --> 00:07:43,480 Speaker 1: and yes, lots of young girls too. Would they ever 110 00:07:43,520 --> 00:07:48,960 Speaker 1: get perverted with younger girls? Oh? Yeah, give me an 111 00:07:48,960 --> 00:07:52,920 Speaker 1: example if you can recall one. My sister comfort of 112 00:07:53,000 --> 00:07:58,000 Speaker 1: the nuss and disappeared. And I was there for the 113 00:07:58,160 --> 00:08:02,800 Speaker 1: entire summer to help myself, true or your own daughter. 114 00:08:03,640 --> 00:08:06,920 Speaker 1: But I was helping her with and when she had 115 00:08:06,920 --> 00:08:10,960 Speaker 1: the baby, she'd asked me to go over to the 116 00:08:11,000 --> 00:08:14,640 Speaker 1: house and pick up some stuff for her. She went 117 00:08:14,680 --> 00:08:17,000 Speaker 1: home to take a shower. Why, I was getting her 118 00:08:17,000 --> 00:08:21,600 Speaker 1: stuff ready and he come out completely naked and said, 119 00:08:21,640 --> 00:08:23,080 Speaker 1: you want to have a good time, come on in 120 00:08:23,120 --> 00:08:27,440 Speaker 1: the bedroom. And what did you say? I didn't say 121 00:08:27,480 --> 00:08:29,200 Speaker 1: a word. I went out and sat in the car. 122 00:08:29,880 --> 00:08:33,680 Speaker 1: I was like, Nope, that ain't happening. And how old 123 00:08:33,679 --> 00:08:40,800 Speaker 1: were you at the time? Thirteen, the same age as 124 00:08:40,840 --> 00:08:43,680 Speaker 1: two of the missing girls. It seems to be the 125 00:08:43,720 --> 00:08:46,160 Speaker 1: age most appealing to this group of guys in their 126 00:08:46,160 --> 00:08:50,520 Speaker 1: early twenties who ran around a small town allegedly forcing 127 00:08:50,679 --> 00:08:55,920 Speaker 1: underage girls into sexual situations. When I think back to 128 00:08:56,040 --> 00:08:59,800 Speaker 1: previous conversations with law enforcement over the years, it was 129 00:09:00,080 --> 00:09:03,280 Speaker 1: died to me by one state police detective that local 130 00:09:03,360 --> 00:09:06,360 Speaker 1: law enforcement has always been focused on a group of violent, 131 00:09:06,920 --> 00:09:12,120 Speaker 1: sexually perverted men exploiting and violating young women in this area, 132 00:09:12,760 --> 00:09:16,440 Speaker 1: Men who did whatever they wanted to whomever they wanted 133 00:09:16,920 --> 00:09:22,040 Speaker 1: and got away with it. It's imperative to understand the 134 00:09:22,120 --> 00:09:26,839 Speaker 1: motivation behind sexual assault and the evolution of how society 135 00:09:27,160 --> 00:09:30,560 Speaker 1: has viewed it. When you're investigating miss in person cases 136 00:09:30,600 --> 00:09:35,599 Speaker 1: and involving young females, sexual abuse and assault needs to 137 00:09:35,679 --> 00:09:39,320 Speaker 1: be part of that conversation. It can play a vital 138 00:09:39,440 --> 00:09:43,760 Speaker 1: role in the drive behind abduction and murder. Also offer 139 00:09:43,880 --> 00:09:49,880 Speaker 1: perspective sexual harassment, abuse and assault is not about sex. 140 00:09:51,200 --> 00:09:59,480 Speaker 1: It's about fear, intimidation, domination, power, control, and aggression. And 141 00:09:59,520 --> 00:10:02,480 Speaker 1: the more we talk about it. The more we understand it, 142 00:10:03,200 --> 00:10:14,000 Speaker 1: the more power we take away from the perpetrator. Just 143 00:10:14,160 --> 00:10:17,400 Speaker 1: seven weeks after his wife Susan went missing, Bob Larossa 144 00:10:17,559 --> 00:10:22,480 Speaker 1: was coming around Suzanne's sister's apartment, introducing everyone to his 145 00:10:22,520 --> 00:10:28,040 Speaker 1: new girlfriend. Susan had already been forgotten and replaced. Think 146 00:10:28,080 --> 00:10:32,600 Speaker 1: about that. If you recall in a previous episode, Bob 147 00:10:32,640 --> 00:10:37,440 Speaker 1: dispersed his three children just days after Susan disappeared. I've 148 00:10:37,440 --> 00:10:40,080 Speaker 1: been told that he got rid of all her belongings 149 00:10:40,120 --> 00:10:44,400 Speaker 1: within seventy two hours after she went missing. Now he's 150 00:10:44,400 --> 00:10:47,360 Speaker 1: bringing his new girlfriend around not even two months later. 151 00:10:48,679 --> 00:10:52,320 Speaker 1: Only two scenarios are possible here. The guy is either 152 00:10:52,400 --> 00:10:57,360 Speaker 1: cold and heartless or he knew Susan was never coming back. 153 00:10:58,520 --> 00:11:01,200 Speaker 1: So was there any talk about her never? I didn't 154 00:11:01,200 --> 00:11:04,720 Speaker 1: even I didn't even make the connection until years later. 155 00:11:05,360 --> 00:11:07,240 Speaker 1: At the time, I didn't even know she was missing. 156 00:11:07,240 --> 00:11:10,520 Speaker 1: I don't think I wondered if Susanne's brother in law 157 00:11:10,679 --> 00:11:15,160 Speaker 1: had ever mentioned Susan l Rosa anything about her being missing. 158 00:11:15,920 --> 00:11:19,840 Speaker 1: My sister passed away into Thousand Kids, and I was 159 00:11:19,880 --> 00:11:21,840 Speaker 1: going up there to see her because she was tired 160 00:11:21,880 --> 00:11:26,400 Speaker 1: of cancer, and I brought Susan Rosa up and he 161 00:11:26,520 --> 00:11:30,240 Speaker 1: got pissed. Tell me about that? What happened? What did 162 00:11:30,280 --> 00:11:32,679 Speaker 1: you say to him? We were talking about people at 163 00:11:32,679 --> 00:11:35,040 Speaker 1: the lake and stuff, and they said something about it, 164 00:11:35,120 --> 00:11:37,320 Speaker 1: like I wonder what had that happened to Susan Rosa? 165 00:11:37,400 --> 00:11:39,319 Speaker 1: They never really found out. And he goes, oh, yes, 166 00:11:39,360 --> 00:11:43,920 Speaker 1: guys stopped bringing that freaking ship up because I'm tired 167 00:11:43,920 --> 00:11:47,120 Speaker 1: of hearing about it. How did that make you feel? 168 00:11:47,120 --> 00:11:50,520 Speaker 1: When he said that? I was like, why are you lying? He? 169 00:11:50,760 --> 00:11:53,120 Speaker 1: I know he's lying. I knew he was lying. I 170 00:11:53,160 --> 00:11:56,400 Speaker 1: could tell. And what do you think he was lying 171 00:11:56,440 --> 00:12:01,480 Speaker 1: about that? He didn't know anything about it? I think 172 00:12:01,480 --> 00:12:05,840 Speaker 1: he totally knows or did I think he knew? What 173 00:12:06,000 --> 00:12:10,160 Speaker 1: do you think he knew what happened to her? He's 174 00:12:10,200 --> 00:12:14,040 Speaker 1: a guy with no conscience. I think he does or 175 00:12:14,120 --> 00:12:18,840 Speaker 1: ever did ever bothered him? That's you know, what do 176 00:12:18,880 --> 00:12:23,199 Speaker 1: they what do they call us? Sociopath? And then Suzanne 177 00:12:23,200 --> 00:12:25,280 Speaker 1: tells me about a time when she was riding in 178 00:12:25,320 --> 00:12:28,320 Speaker 1: her brother in law's car. I don't know where we 179 00:12:28,360 --> 00:12:30,960 Speaker 1: were going. I know it was him and my sister, 180 00:12:31,320 --> 00:12:34,760 Speaker 1: me and my niece were in the bag and it 181 00:12:34,920 --> 00:12:38,640 Speaker 1: was night time. We were going down Bamforth Road, and 182 00:12:38,679 --> 00:12:41,320 Speaker 1: he says that there's ghost out here, and I said, 183 00:12:41,440 --> 00:12:43,560 Speaker 1: you know, we were by the way the old cemetery is, 184 00:12:44,480 --> 00:12:47,600 Speaker 1: and I said, I said, I heard the story about 185 00:12:47,640 --> 00:12:50,000 Speaker 1: the cemetery and all that. He goes, I'm not talking 186 00:12:50,040 --> 00:12:55,240 Speaker 1: about the cemetery. There's goes out here. Bam Fourth Road 187 00:12:55,320 --> 00:12:58,520 Speaker 1: leads to the same road where Susan Loross's remains were found. 188 00:12:59,360 --> 00:13:03,000 Speaker 1: Albeit massive, there is only one section of woods on 189 00:13:03,000 --> 00:13:07,560 Speaker 1: this road. Of all the places in town, why would 190 00:13:07,600 --> 00:13:10,520 Speaker 1: this be the area Suzanne's brother in law refers to 191 00:13:10,679 --> 00:13:16,600 Speaker 1: as harboring ghosts and something else? Remember how an episode four, 192 00:13:17,000 --> 00:13:21,200 Speaker 1: Stacy LaRosa said she remembered seeing a guy in a 193 00:13:21,280 --> 00:13:25,000 Speaker 1: red and black flannel shirt who smelled of cherry tobacco, 194 00:13:25,559 --> 00:13:29,960 Speaker 1: helping her father, Bob LaRosa, carry her mother's body out 195 00:13:29,960 --> 00:13:34,800 Speaker 1: of their apartment the night she allegedly went missing. After 196 00:13:34,920 --> 00:13:38,600 Speaker 1: hearing that detail, Suzanne says she immediately thought of her 197 00:13:38,640 --> 00:13:42,880 Speaker 1: brother in law, who always wore flannel back in those days. 198 00:13:42,920 --> 00:13:46,640 Speaker 1: For what it's worth, I've heard the witness war flannel 199 00:13:46,679 --> 00:13:50,319 Speaker 1: as well, but look to keep things real. This type 200 00:13:50,320 --> 00:13:56,040 Speaker 1: of anecdotal information is interesting and sounds promising. But it's supposition, 201 00:13:56,640 --> 00:14:02,439 Speaker 1: just theory. Really, it doesn't prove any thing until well 202 00:14:03,240 --> 00:14:07,199 Speaker 1: it does. Susan Ange goes on to tell me that 203 00:14:07,280 --> 00:14:11,160 Speaker 1: after that summer Susan Larissa went missing, Bob and her 204 00:14:11,200 --> 00:14:16,480 Speaker 1: brother in law abruptly dissolved their friendship. Here were two 205 00:14:16,480 --> 00:14:20,360 Speaker 1: guys inseparable latch together at the hip. They've known each 206 00:14:20,400 --> 00:14:25,000 Speaker 1: other since childhood. Then Bob's wife disappears, He's got this 207 00:14:25,080 --> 00:14:28,800 Speaker 1: new girlfriend, and Suzanne's brother in law packs it up 208 00:14:28,800 --> 00:14:32,800 Speaker 1: and moves his family up to Maine, never contacts Bob again. 209 00:14:34,600 --> 00:14:37,280 Speaker 1: I've learned the Vernon police did make a trip up 210 00:14:37,280 --> 00:14:39,840 Speaker 1: to Maine to visit Suzanne's brother in law to ask 211 00:14:39,920 --> 00:14:44,880 Speaker 1: him about Susan Leros's disappearance. In the documents I have 212 00:14:45,040 --> 00:14:47,920 Speaker 1: the police approached him under the pretense that he knew 213 00:14:47,920 --> 00:14:52,440 Speaker 1: something but was not a suspect. After speaking with him, 214 00:14:52,480 --> 00:14:54,960 Speaker 1: it seems the Vernon Police Department ruled him out as 215 00:14:55,000 --> 00:14:57,520 Speaker 1: a suspect, but left the door open to talk to 216 00:14:57,600 --> 00:15:02,280 Speaker 1: him again, thinking he would have been an accessory after 217 00:15:02,360 --> 00:15:07,000 Speaker 1: the fact. I think it's weird that you know um 218 00:15:07,120 --> 00:15:09,320 Speaker 1: pretty much the whole time he lived up there, girls 219 00:15:09,320 --> 00:15:13,200 Speaker 1: for disappearing and then he moved and it stopped in Rockville. 220 00:15:13,200 --> 00:15:17,520 Speaker 1: You mean, and she used to ride around. You know, hey, 221 00:15:17,560 --> 00:15:19,160 Speaker 1: you want to get high, you want to get high, 222 00:15:19,840 --> 00:15:23,440 Speaker 1: And so he used to drive around Rockville asking if 223 00:15:23,480 --> 00:15:26,840 Speaker 1: girls needed a ride, well they wanted to go get 224 00:15:26,920 --> 00:15:30,640 Speaker 1: high or whatever. He used to be all eructional. He 225 00:15:30,720 --> 00:15:34,200 Speaker 1: was hardly have at home. Susanne then recalls an incident 226 00:15:34,280 --> 00:15:38,240 Speaker 1: that took place just weeks after Susan LaRosa went missing. 227 00:15:39,560 --> 00:15:42,080 Speaker 1: I was at my sister's. We went out to the 228 00:15:42,160 --> 00:15:45,120 Speaker 1: lake to get some more on my clothes because I 229 00:15:45,200 --> 00:15:49,480 Speaker 1: was going to spend some of the year. And we 230 00:15:49,560 --> 00:15:52,040 Speaker 1: don't get in the car and they go back seat, 231 00:15:52,040 --> 00:15:56,320 Speaker 1: the bottom part of the back seat missing. And this 232 00:15:56,520 --> 00:15:58,440 Speaker 1: is said, what the hell happened to the back seat? 233 00:15:58,480 --> 00:16:00,520 Speaker 1: And he goes, oh, I still oil all over and 234 00:16:00,520 --> 00:16:02,320 Speaker 1: I had to get rid of it. I couldn't get 235 00:16:02,360 --> 00:16:04,560 Speaker 1: the oil out of it, and I had to sit 236 00:16:04,800 --> 00:16:09,240 Speaker 1: on the floorboard in the back seat. Suzanne says her 237 00:16:09,280 --> 00:16:11,880 Speaker 1: brother in law's car, the one without the back seat, 238 00:16:12,160 --> 00:16:15,480 Speaker 1: had its blue carpet torn out. She remembers because she 239 00:16:15,600 --> 00:16:18,040 Speaker 1: had to sit on the steel underside of the car. 240 00:16:18,360 --> 00:16:21,000 Speaker 1: Near the time she drove past the cemetery. When her 241 00:16:21,040 --> 00:16:25,240 Speaker 1: brother in law mentioned ghosts that idea of a blue 242 00:16:25,240 --> 00:16:29,160 Speaker 1: carpet missing from a vehicle, it resonated with me. I 243 00:16:29,160 --> 00:16:32,040 Speaker 1: had heard it somewhere before, so I went through my 244 00:16:32,120 --> 00:16:35,600 Speaker 1: notes from interviews I've done, and there it was my 245 00:16:35,680 --> 00:16:39,000 Speaker 1: last conversation with the Wendels and what they'd found after 246 00:16:39,080 --> 00:16:42,880 Speaker 1: digging inside that artesian water well on their property. They 247 00:16:43,040 --> 00:16:46,320 Speaker 1: hired a bacco and called the state police, who decided 248 00:16:46,360 --> 00:16:49,560 Speaker 1: to come out. Ken Wendell found a video he'd made 249 00:16:49,560 --> 00:16:52,960 Speaker 1: of the day of that excavation. He located the file 250 00:16:53,000 --> 00:16:55,280 Speaker 1: on his laptop and told me to sit down and 251 00:16:55,320 --> 00:16:59,520 Speaker 1: take a look what I saw. Well, here it is. 252 00:17:01,400 --> 00:17:03,000 Speaker 1: Let me just tell you a piece of does a 253 00:17:03,040 --> 00:17:06,120 Speaker 1: tarp behind him. It's a plastic tarp that they found 254 00:17:06,200 --> 00:17:10,280 Speaker 1: very interesting. But I see that, and they thought that 255 00:17:10,359 --> 00:17:12,199 Speaker 1: was interesting that yeah, oh yeah. They held it up 256 00:17:12,240 --> 00:17:14,199 Speaker 1: and they were they all they all came over and 257 00:17:14,240 --> 00:17:16,000 Speaker 1: had to look at it, and had stayed a lot 258 00:17:16,040 --> 00:17:18,199 Speaker 1: of round stads on it. They weren't wordering if it 259 00:17:18,320 --> 00:17:21,639 Speaker 1: was blood or something going there. But so this is 260 00:17:21,680 --> 00:17:24,040 Speaker 1: what it looked like after we removed some clothing. So 261 00:17:24,040 --> 00:17:30,520 Speaker 1: there's still carpet still carpet, carpet, there's carpetings. I said, 262 00:17:30,600 --> 00:17:33,199 Speaker 1: we shouldn't be touching corpet. We should work in the carpet, 263 00:17:33,280 --> 00:17:35,399 Speaker 1: so we shouldn't be touching us. I looked at the 264 00:17:35,480 --> 00:17:39,560 Speaker 1: video closely and paused it that back home, in the 265 00:17:39,600 --> 00:17:42,560 Speaker 1: same well was lifting up a blue piece of carpet, 266 00:17:42,640 --> 00:17:47,920 Speaker 1: which is unquestionably not a section of house carpeting. So 267 00:17:47,960 --> 00:17:51,840 Speaker 1: that carpeting that was found, that blue carpeting was it carpeting? 268 00:17:51,880 --> 00:18:00,720 Speaker 1: Was It looked like he came out of the car. Hi, Terry, 269 00:18:02,560 --> 00:18:06,000 Speaker 1: are we going to be hiking? I don't think so. Um, 270 00:18:06,040 --> 00:18:09,840 Speaker 1: how are you doing? Good? To see it weird right now? 271 00:18:10,040 --> 00:18:13,280 Speaker 1: How come you're feeling weird? I don't know. I guess 272 00:18:13,280 --> 00:18:16,520 Speaker 1: it's normal for this. Yeah, it is. It's totally normal. 273 00:18:16,560 --> 00:18:18,479 Speaker 1: Like I didn't know what to do, what to bring. 274 00:18:18,480 --> 00:18:21,399 Speaker 1: I have flowers, I brought a steak. I brought a hammer, 275 00:18:21,400 --> 00:18:23,919 Speaker 1: beau so I can remember where this place isn't know 276 00:18:24,280 --> 00:18:26,160 Speaker 1: what I could do, what it was going to be allowed. 277 00:18:27,359 --> 00:18:29,719 Speaker 1: The last time I spoke at length with Terry Shanks, 278 00:18:29,760 --> 00:18:32,640 Speaker 1: she told me she didn't think Bob Larrossa acted alone 279 00:18:32,840 --> 00:18:36,320 Speaker 1: in the murder of her older sister Susan LaRosa. During 280 00:18:36,359 --> 00:18:39,520 Speaker 1: that conversation, Terry mentioned she had been coming out to 281 00:18:39,600 --> 00:18:42,280 Speaker 1: this wooded area in Vernon, Connecticut every year to place 282 00:18:42,320 --> 00:18:45,880 Speaker 1: flowers on the spot where she thought Susan's remains were 283 00:18:45,920 --> 00:18:49,240 Speaker 1: found more than forty years ago. Terry would pull over, 284 00:18:49,680 --> 00:18:54,879 Speaker 1: take a moment, play sunflowers inside a chain link fence, sunflowers. 285 00:18:54,880 --> 00:18:58,080 Speaker 1: Because Susan was such a free spirited, hippie kind of girl. 286 00:18:59,000 --> 00:19:03,000 Speaker 1: That detail stuck with me. The inherent pain and anxiety 287 00:19:03,080 --> 00:19:06,439 Speaker 1: that never leaves the family of the missing. It's not 288 00:19:06,480 --> 00:19:09,919 Speaker 1: even so much about who is responsible. It becomes instead 289 00:19:09,920 --> 00:19:14,320 Speaker 1: in all consuming, obsessive pursuit to bring the dead back home. 290 00:19:15,440 --> 00:19:17,920 Speaker 1: I knew the area Terry had been coming to all 291 00:19:17,960 --> 00:19:22,520 Speaker 1: these years wasn't the right location, and Susan's family deserves 292 00:19:22,600 --> 00:19:26,520 Speaker 1: to know exactly where. So I called Lieutenant Bill Meyer 293 00:19:26,600 --> 00:19:29,600 Speaker 1: from the Vernon Police and he said today for Terry 294 00:19:29,640 --> 00:19:32,639 Speaker 1: and I to meet him and another detective out at 295 00:19:32,680 --> 00:19:38,119 Speaker 1: the actual site. Bill Meyer is a great guy. He's 296 00:19:38,440 --> 00:19:41,080 Speaker 1: um You'll recognize him. He's the face of the Vernon 297 00:19:41,119 --> 00:19:43,679 Speaker 1: p D. Who you've seen. Um. Well, I try not 298 00:19:43,760 --> 00:19:47,240 Speaker 1: to look at Sorry. I have a really bad vibe 299 00:19:47,280 --> 00:19:52,520 Speaker 1: with them and hand of Ham Dave Hathaway. He's retiring soon. 300 00:19:53,560 --> 00:19:56,479 Speaker 1: What Terry is referring to is the family's frustration of 301 00:19:56,520 --> 00:20:00,600 Speaker 1: not being heard, feeling left out, not being kept up 302 00:20:00,640 --> 00:20:07,119 Speaker 1: to date, and not pursuing leads. Bill, are we in 303 00:20:07,200 --> 00:20:10,320 Speaker 1: the vicinity here and look bit further down the road? Yeah, 304 00:20:10,320 --> 00:20:11,960 Speaker 1: we did some work on it. Hi, I am Bill Meyer. 305 00:20:12,000 --> 00:20:16,479 Speaker 1: By the way, I am thanks, yes, thanks for coming out. 306 00:20:16,600 --> 00:20:22,560 Speaker 1: Glad of course. Um. We parked on the side of 307 00:20:22,560 --> 00:20:26,240 Speaker 1: the street just off ban Forth Road where Suzanne St. 308 00:20:26,280 --> 00:20:28,600 Speaker 1: Louis and her brother in law were riding that day 309 00:20:28,760 --> 00:20:34,240 Speaker 1: he mentioned ghosts. There are no houses around. I six, 310 00:20:34,880 --> 00:20:38,760 Speaker 1: now called eighty four, is just west. About a half 311 00:20:38,840 --> 00:20:43,320 Speaker 1: mile from here, a country road shaping like the letter 312 00:20:43,680 --> 00:20:47,480 Speaker 1: s heading north, cuts through two small bodies of water. 313 00:20:48,760 --> 00:20:51,359 Speaker 1: Just before one of those bodies of water is a 314 00:20:51,440 --> 00:20:55,040 Speaker 1: gate into an old logging road, which was accessible when 315 00:20:55,040 --> 00:20:58,720 Speaker 1: the girls went missing. That dirt logging road goes deep 316 00:20:58,760 --> 00:21:03,439 Speaker 1: into the forest, opens after about a half mile into 317 00:21:03,480 --> 00:21:09,119 Speaker 1: a fifty acre field, which is where we're heading. Nothing 318 00:21:09,200 --> 00:21:12,560 Speaker 1: is going to deter Terry from this moment. It's a 319 00:21:12,680 --> 00:21:17,480 Speaker 1: humid summer day, hot esteem the sun is bright and 320 00:21:17,640 --> 00:21:21,359 Speaker 1: beating on us, But who really gives a shit about conditions? 321 00:21:22,200 --> 00:21:25,040 Speaker 1: A sister wants to see where her siblings body was 322 00:21:25,119 --> 00:21:28,800 Speaker 1: dumped by those who killed her. As we chat, Bill 323 00:21:28,840 --> 00:21:32,000 Speaker 1: mentioned something of interest to me. That's why they used 324 00:21:32,040 --> 00:21:33,720 Speaker 1: to They used to dump leaves there right in the town, 325 00:21:33,800 --> 00:21:37,359 Speaker 1: dump over here. I don't know what conditioned that to. 326 00:21:37,480 --> 00:21:39,240 Speaker 1: I don't think he's got pulled out of It's just 327 00:21:39,280 --> 00:21:45,800 Speaker 1: a big, multiply animal. I don't know. Town employee access 328 00:21:45,920 --> 00:21:48,560 Speaker 1: is what I'm thinking. I have lived in this area 329 00:21:48,640 --> 00:21:52,119 Speaker 1: for forty years. I never knew the location even existed. 330 00:21:52,560 --> 00:21:55,040 Speaker 1: A majority of the people in town, I would bet 331 00:21:55,200 --> 00:21:58,280 Speaker 1: did not know either. This tells me Susan's killer had 332 00:21:58,359 --> 00:22:02,400 Speaker 1: to know how to access the location. He or they 333 00:22:02,600 --> 00:22:07,520 Speaker 1: had to be familiar with this area of town. Oh 334 00:22:07,640 --> 00:22:16,679 Speaker 1: oh boy, do the best we can. We got a road, well, 335 00:22:17,359 --> 00:22:20,040 Speaker 1: you know what I figured where my sister goes through. 336 00:22:23,160 --> 00:22:25,160 Speaker 1: You know, it's been a couple of generations of police 337 00:22:25,200 --> 00:22:28,359 Speaker 1: officers have worked on this investigation. We have the list, 338 00:22:28,400 --> 00:22:31,119 Speaker 1: you know, going back to you know, the original case officers, 339 00:22:31,160 --> 00:22:36,480 Speaker 1: and then well, unfortunately I can only speak from my 340 00:22:36,600 --> 00:22:39,960 Speaker 1: point of view. There really wasn't in any investigation that 341 00:22:40,040 --> 00:22:44,119 Speaker 1: included us as a family. So I can't get your 342 00:22:44,240 --> 00:22:50,520 Speaker 1: nay anything. I can say with absolute confidence. The Vernon 343 00:22:50,600 --> 00:22:54,040 Speaker 1: p D investigators working on Susan Larosa's case over the 344 00:22:54,119 --> 00:22:59,000 Speaker 1: years put in thousands of hours. Bob Larossa remained the 345 00:22:59,080 --> 00:23:03,560 Speaker 1: only in slightly suspect. In fact, when the case was 346 00:23:03,600 --> 00:23:08,080 Speaker 1: reopened in two thousand two, lab technicians along with renowned 347 00:23:08,080 --> 00:23:12,240 Speaker 1: forensic scientist Dr Henry Lee, members of the Vernon Police 348 00:23:12,240 --> 00:23:16,919 Speaker 1: Department's Detective Division, and Susan's sister Bernadette, went into the 349 00:23:16,960 --> 00:23:21,760 Speaker 1: old LaRosa apartment. Inside. Dr Henry Lee cut out pieces 350 00:23:21,760 --> 00:23:25,320 Speaker 1: of floor to examine later at the lab. They spent 351 00:23:25,480 --> 00:23:30,440 Speaker 1: months testing everything collected and found no human blood. Still, 352 00:23:30,880 --> 00:23:34,160 Speaker 1: the Vernon Police Department convinced the local prosecutor to take 353 00:23:34,200 --> 00:23:38,919 Speaker 1: the case to a grand jury, hoping to indict Bob LaRosa, 354 00:23:39,119 --> 00:23:45,280 Speaker 1: an effort that failed. Last time I called there, and 355 00:23:45,359 --> 00:23:50,120 Speaker 1: this was like probably a little over two years ago, 356 00:23:51,040 --> 00:23:53,200 Speaker 1: they gave me some twenty year old too. You didn't 357 00:23:53,200 --> 00:23:57,320 Speaker 1: even hadn't even opened up the case file yet. Horror. Yeah, 358 00:23:57,440 --> 00:23:59,800 Speaker 1: And he was supposed to call me and never did so. 359 00:24:00,320 --> 00:24:02,040 Speaker 1: I called that a couple of times and I said, no, 360 00:24:02,160 --> 00:24:06,760 Speaker 1: I'm done these cases. That's pretty common. You know they're 361 00:24:06,760 --> 00:24:09,520 Speaker 1: hot and gold. You know there'll be some momentum behind them. 362 00:24:09,800 --> 00:24:12,320 Speaker 1: Got Task Force a few years ago and there was 363 00:24:12,320 --> 00:24:15,840 Speaker 1: a lot of momentum then with the task Force. As 364 00:24:15,880 --> 00:24:18,800 Speaker 1: the Lieutenant, Bill Meyer takes the brunt of the victims 365 00:24:18,880 --> 00:24:23,280 Speaker 1: family's frustration. It's a lack of communication, not between police 366 00:24:23,280 --> 00:24:27,359 Speaker 1: and families, but police and police. Families just want to 367 00:24:27,359 --> 00:24:32,199 Speaker 1: know they're being heard. They want updates. Cold cases are 368 00:24:32,200 --> 00:24:36,720 Speaker 1: passed down to generations of investigators. Each has his or 369 00:24:36,800 --> 00:24:41,640 Speaker 1: her own way of doing things. We make our way 370 00:24:41,680 --> 00:24:44,359 Speaker 1: to a clearing. The site turned out to be a 371 00:24:44,359 --> 00:24:48,160 Speaker 1: few miles east from where Terry had been placing flowers 372 00:24:48,200 --> 00:24:56,440 Speaker 1: all those years. It's been four decades. For the first time, 373 00:24:56,920 --> 00:24:59,960 Speaker 1: Terry Shanks is going to stand on the exact location 374 00:25:00,040 --> 00:25:05,720 Speaker 1: and where her sister's decomposed remains, actually a skull, several bones, 375 00:25:05,760 --> 00:25:08,880 Speaker 1: and what was left of her clothing were found by laggers. 376 00:25:10,840 --> 00:25:14,200 Speaker 1: You see where that tree is, that's the spot. Yep, 377 00:25:15,320 --> 00:25:18,040 Speaker 1: that's that that shrub right there. Yeah, that big, that 378 00:25:18,080 --> 00:25:21,040 Speaker 1: big shrub right there. If you look, you the red dot, 379 00:25:21,480 --> 00:25:26,280 Speaker 1: see the red dot, it's pointing right to it. Terry stairs. 380 00:25:26,960 --> 00:25:30,440 Speaker 1: I gotta wonder what she's thinking. Bill decides to stay 381 00:25:30,480 --> 00:25:33,640 Speaker 1: back and wait. As Terry and I walk over, her 382 00:25:33,680 --> 00:25:37,000 Speaker 1: demeanor changes as we get closer to the scene. She 383 00:25:37,080 --> 00:25:41,480 Speaker 1: goes quiet. So, how you feeling being right here in 384 00:25:41,480 --> 00:25:49,760 Speaker 1: the spot? Okay, you're okay? Good? Her heart's I'm glad 385 00:25:49,800 --> 00:25:51,639 Speaker 1: we were able to put this together for you and 386 00:25:51,720 --> 00:25:55,480 Speaker 1: do this. We stay in at the exact location where 387 00:25:55,520 --> 00:25:59,760 Speaker 1: twenty year old Susan LaRosa, Terry Shanks's sister, was found. 388 00:26:00,560 --> 00:26:03,520 Speaker 1: Her remains scattered over a small section of the woods. 389 00:26:05,359 --> 00:26:09,080 Speaker 1: From what I've been told, cadaver dogs never searched this 390 00:26:09,200 --> 00:26:15,399 Speaker 1: area for any additional remains. However, law enforcement did shallowly 391 00:26:15,520 --> 00:26:19,199 Speaker 1: excavate a portion of the area around her body, but 392 00:26:19,280 --> 00:26:23,800 Speaker 1: found no additional evidence. Jesus Marian, Juice, Aina Hope us 393 00:26:23,800 --> 00:26:28,399 Speaker 1: out of grave for many Ah, you know what I 394 00:26:28,440 --> 00:26:34,879 Speaker 1: think it is here is what I meant by that, 395 00:26:35,400 --> 00:26:39,600 Speaker 1: a killer's dumping ground, if it's working, rarely changes in 396 00:26:39,600 --> 00:26:42,919 Speaker 1: this area. If the same purpose responsible for all or 397 00:26:42,960 --> 00:26:46,760 Speaker 1: a few of the girls worked for ten years. It 398 00:26:46,800 --> 00:26:50,240 Speaker 1: wasn't until Susan's remains were found that activity kind of stopped. 399 00:26:51,240 --> 00:26:56,600 Speaker 1: There is nothing around us trees, tall grass, wild flowers, 400 00:26:56,920 --> 00:27:00,040 Speaker 1: dense shrubbery, and an open field about the size of 401 00:27:00,040 --> 00:27:05,000 Speaker 1: the city park. If you wanted to dump bodies, nobody 402 00:27:05,000 --> 00:27:08,080 Speaker 1: would see you. The freeway to our west in the 403 00:27:08,080 --> 00:27:12,119 Speaker 1: background provides noise coverage. The logging road allows you to 404 00:27:12,119 --> 00:27:15,359 Speaker 1: take a vehicle in and out of here without anybody 405 00:27:15,560 --> 00:27:20,560 Speaker 1: seeing a damn thing. So you put in the flowers there? 406 00:27:20,560 --> 00:27:27,639 Speaker 1: How anxious? Sir? Yeah, Terry bent down. She closed her eyes. 407 00:27:28,640 --> 00:27:31,480 Speaker 1: Then she placed the sunflowers near what looked to be 408 00:27:31,840 --> 00:27:38,240 Speaker 1: a fox. Then sad, sad makes it more real. Sure, 409 00:27:39,400 --> 00:27:42,920 Speaker 1: I know it's real, but I mean, yeah, sminthing it 410 00:27:43,000 --> 00:27:49,159 Speaker 1: more real. It never goes away, you know, it doesn't. 411 00:27:51,160 --> 00:27:54,399 Speaker 1: Terry begins to think about April, Lisa White sister and 412 00:27:54,520 --> 00:27:58,440 Speaker 1: Mary Janice Pocket sister, the three of whom have formed 413 00:27:58,680 --> 00:28:02,080 Speaker 1: kind of a grief squad. They help and support each 414 00:28:02,080 --> 00:28:06,160 Speaker 1: other through it all. I mean, we have her, so 415 00:28:06,480 --> 00:28:08,720 Speaker 1: you know, we we are the lucky ones. Like I said, 416 00:28:09,400 --> 00:28:11,640 Speaker 1: we You know, people always said, oh, you're the lucky ones. 417 00:28:11,680 --> 00:28:15,960 Speaker 1: You found your person. We did, and you know, in 418 00:28:16,040 --> 00:28:18,800 Speaker 1: our heart of hearts we also know who did it, 419 00:28:19,480 --> 00:28:23,080 Speaker 1: so you know, and the other the other four they're 420 00:28:23,080 --> 00:28:25,240 Speaker 1: nowhere to be found, so I know, and that's what 421 00:28:25,280 --> 00:28:27,959 Speaker 1: I pray for every day for them. And you know, 422 00:28:28,080 --> 00:28:31,200 Speaker 1: even if they had this heap of a pile of wheats, 423 00:28:31,440 --> 00:28:37,720 Speaker 1: it would be something for them to memorialize. It's okay, 424 00:28:38,640 --> 00:28:40,880 Speaker 1: thank you, but you know where, you know where it is. Now. 425 00:28:41,040 --> 00:28:43,360 Speaker 1: You can come anytime. No one's gonna know, no one's 426 00:28:43,360 --> 00:28:49,040 Speaker 1: gonna bother you. I'll leave you for a minute by yourself, okay. 427 00:28:49,400 --> 00:28:51,760 Speaker 1: As we connect with Bill and begin walking back to 428 00:28:51,800 --> 00:28:56,360 Speaker 1: our vehicles, the lieutenant shares something. I don't think the 429 00:28:56,440 --> 00:29:00,520 Speaker 1: serious changed the whole lotto from known. Yeah, I don't 430 00:29:00,520 --> 00:29:03,920 Speaker 1: think it's much different. Bill then talks about missing people 431 00:29:03,960 --> 00:29:07,400 Speaker 1: in general and how police go about it today. I 432 00:29:07,440 --> 00:29:11,440 Speaker 1: had asked, because, for one, when Susan went missing, police 433 00:29:11,480 --> 00:29:14,120 Speaker 1: never went into her Ward Street apartment to do a 434 00:29:14,160 --> 00:29:18,760 Speaker 1: search or question Bob LaRosa at length. That all came later. 435 00:29:19,960 --> 00:29:23,160 Speaker 1: If someone goes missing today, I mean, you have number 436 00:29:23,160 --> 00:29:26,200 Speaker 1: one electronic edge so cell phones, things like that that 437 00:29:26,280 --> 00:29:29,200 Speaker 1: can be GPS tracked. I mean, facial recognition, even though 438 00:29:29,200 --> 00:29:32,800 Speaker 1: it's in its infancy. Now everything's electronic. The second new 439 00:29:32,880 --> 00:29:35,720 Speaker 1: skiing your credit card, financial DABT. You know, data things 440 00:29:35,760 --> 00:29:39,440 Speaker 1: like that. It's instantly traceable. Right, it's hard to scarry cash, 441 00:29:39,520 --> 00:29:41,600 Speaker 1: it's hard to hide, hard to hide. It's hard. So 442 00:29:41,680 --> 00:29:43,800 Speaker 1: we find people pretty quickly today. You know, I'm doing 443 00:29:43,880 --> 00:29:48,240 Speaker 1: usual for somebody missing more than a few days. By 444 00:29:48,240 --> 00:29:50,000 Speaker 1: the time we make it back to where our cards 445 00:29:50,000 --> 00:29:54,000 Speaker 1: are parked, our conversation turns to small talk about the area. 446 00:29:54,440 --> 00:29:57,480 Speaker 1: Just around the corner, a three minute drive west was 447 00:29:57,520 --> 00:30:01,560 Speaker 1: the location of the Iglu Restaurant, a popular hangout spot 448 00:30:01,600 --> 00:30:04,040 Speaker 1: for a lot of kids in the sixties and seventies, 449 00:30:04,320 --> 00:30:09,400 Speaker 1: including Lisa White, Irene and Susan Larrosa. Terry tells Bill 450 00:30:09,440 --> 00:30:11,840 Speaker 1: and I how she recalls going to the Igloo a 451 00:30:11,880 --> 00:30:15,960 Speaker 1: lot with the Witness, who was her brother in law 452 00:30:16,120 --> 00:30:22,440 Speaker 1: at the time. When you have a volatile source, in 453 00:30:22,480 --> 00:30:25,120 Speaker 1: this case, the Witness, you want to know everything you 454 00:30:25,160 --> 00:30:28,080 Speaker 1: can about him before you make an approach. For example, 455 00:30:28,560 --> 00:30:30,760 Speaker 1: I spoke to someone off the record who told me 456 00:30:30,800 --> 00:30:34,400 Speaker 1: the Witness whenever he drove into Connecticut from his new 457 00:30:34,440 --> 00:30:37,920 Speaker 1: place of residence in another state, he put his kids 458 00:30:37,960 --> 00:30:42,400 Speaker 1: in the trunk of the car before crossing the state line. Why. 459 00:30:42,960 --> 00:30:45,120 Speaker 1: I have no idea, but this says a hell of 460 00:30:45,120 --> 00:30:49,160 Speaker 1: a lot about that guy. I'm getting closer to reaching 461 00:30:49,160 --> 00:30:51,800 Speaker 1: out to the witness, but first I want to learn 462 00:30:51,800 --> 00:30:54,800 Speaker 1: a bit more from his ex wife, who just so 463 00:30:54,920 --> 00:31:00,640 Speaker 1: happens to be Susan Lerosa's sister. Anne. Prentice say, you 464 00:31:00,720 --> 00:31:04,000 Speaker 1: have a lot older than me. I was sixteen and 465 00:31:04,400 --> 00:31:08,240 Speaker 1: he was I think twenty two. I confirmed through and 466 00:31:08,520 --> 00:31:11,920 Speaker 1: that the witness worked for the Talent School System and 467 00:31:12,040 --> 00:31:14,560 Speaker 1: Bob and the witness did a lot of driving around 468 00:31:14,560 --> 00:31:18,880 Speaker 1: together during the day in Bob's station wagon and an 469 00:31:18,920 --> 00:31:24,400 Speaker 1: old fifties era ambulance, and describes her x as allegedly 470 00:31:24,480 --> 00:31:29,200 Speaker 1: being violent to the extreme. She was terrified of him. 471 00:31:29,240 --> 00:31:33,000 Speaker 1: I'm also interested in his habits beyond the dysfunction inside 472 00:31:33,000 --> 00:31:36,840 Speaker 1: the home. Would he leave at times and you not 473 00:31:37,000 --> 00:31:39,080 Speaker 1: know where he is? And that's why he would leave 474 00:31:39,160 --> 00:31:44,520 Speaker 1: for days at the time, for days at a time, well, 475 00:31:44,520 --> 00:31:47,160 Speaker 1: like she'dly, let's say he went to work this morning, 476 00:31:47,200 --> 00:31:51,720 Speaker 1: I may not see him till tomorrow night, right, And 477 00:31:52,040 --> 00:31:58,000 Speaker 1: any idea where he went now? And I learned not 478 00:31:58,120 --> 00:32:02,200 Speaker 1: to ask, if you recall from a previous episode. And 479 00:32:02,400 --> 00:32:06,680 Speaker 1: Prentice was childhood best friends with Irene LaRosa, and they 480 00:32:06,720 --> 00:32:11,600 Speaker 1: bonded because they were allegedly raped as teenagers, the implication 481 00:32:11,680 --> 00:32:16,800 Speaker 1: being that Nathan LaRosa was responsible, though Anne, still quite 482 00:32:16,840 --> 00:32:20,040 Speaker 1: devastated by the trauma, did not want to go into 483 00:32:20,120 --> 00:32:23,960 Speaker 1: detail about it. Around the time her sister Susan went 484 00:32:24,040 --> 00:32:27,200 Speaker 1: missing and in the witness lived a few houses away 485 00:32:27,240 --> 00:32:32,400 Speaker 1: from Susan and Bob Lerosa's apartment in Rockville. So I 486 00:32:32,440 --> 00:32:35,200 Speaker 1: asked Ann if she recalls anything about the night her 487 00:32:35,200 --> 00:32:40,360 Speaker 1: sister Susan went missing, and what the witness did. He 488 00:32:40,520 --> 00:32:44,160 Speaker 1: didn't come home that night, what point he did? I 489 00:32:44,160 --> 00:32:48,720 Speaker 1: don't know, I asked Anne. After she married the witness, 490 00:32:48,760 --> 00:32:54,360 Speaker 1: did Irene's name ever come up? No. The only bad 491 00:32:54,440 --> 00:32:58,360 Speaker 1: thing he ever said to me was he got really 492 00:32:58,480 --> 00:33:01,360 Speaker 1: mad at on time and he said, if you don't 493 00:33:01,360 --> 00:33:10,440 Speaker 1: watch it, you're gonna end up like your sister. In 494 00:33:10,480 --> 00:33:15,040 Speaker 1: the next episode of paper Ghosts, a lot of looked 495 00:33:15,080 --> 00:33:16,960 Speaker 1: the same, So we started looking at it, is this 496 00:33:17,080 --> 00:33:19,160 Speaker 1: more than one person? Is this sort of like you 497 00:33:19,200 --> 00:33:21,240 Speaker 1: know something that was doing this in the area, you 498 00:33:21,320 --> 00:33:23,640 Speaker 1: know duc Control, Then at aid Um, you know in 499 00:33:23,840 --> 00:33:29,200 Speaker 1: Jena's pocket. Respect. They could say two different things that 500 00:33:29,640 --> 00:33:34,880 Speaker 1: he he's involved, and one of the missings for be 501 00:33:35,240 --> 00:33:38,520 Speaker 1: that he's a victim himself. Let me ask you a 502 00:33:38,600 --> 00:33:40,680 Speaker 1: question that has come up for me in this Do 503 00:33:40,720 --> 00:33:45,080 Speaker 1: you remember ever hearing the name Irene Lo Rosa as 504 00:33:45,080 --> 00:33:49,160 Speaker 1: someone who was missing. No, that doesn't doesn't sound familiar 505 00:33:49,200 --> 00:33:53,240 Speaker 1: to me. Another thing people constantly say to me is 506 00:33:53,280 --> 00:33:56,720 Speaker 1: don't worry, she'll come back. Maybe they think that it 507 00:33:56,760 --> 00:34:02,760 Speaker 1: will make you feel better, but it doesn't. Paper Ghosts 508 00:34:03,120 --> 00:34:06,680 Speaker 1: is written and executive produced by me and William Phelps, 509 00:34:07,200 --> 00:34:10,359 Speaker 1: with help from producer Christina Everett and sound editing by 510 00:34:10,400 --> 00:34:14,800 Speaker 1: Pete Cardy from Backroom Audio. A special thanks to Abu 511 00:34:14,960 --> 00:34:18,640 Speaker 1: Safar and Will Pearson from I Heart Radio. The series 512 00:34:18,680 --> 00:34:22,399 Speaker 1: theme number four four two is written and performed by 513 00:34:22,480 --> 00:34:27,200 Speaker 1: Tom Mooney and Thomas Phelps. For more podcasts from my 514 00:34:27,280 --> 00:34:31,440 Speaker 1: Heart Radio, visit the I heart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, 515 00:34:31,960 --> 00:34:34,160 Speaker 1: or wherever you listen to your favorite shows.