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Speaker 1: What you're about to listen to is a special collaboration

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Speaker 1: Upstream podcasts, all of us good friends that provide Miami

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Speaker 1: Marlins content year round. This special, very long conversation attempts

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Speaker 2: Enjoy Welcome in Marlins fans to episode twelve of Swimming

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Speaker 2: Upstream and guys, we made it. We're there after an

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Speaker 2: got full squad workouts tomorrow. Everybody's showing up. The guys

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Speaker 2: It's awesome to see the preview this Marlin season. We're

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Speaker 2: Absolutely fantastic to have them on today. We appreciate them

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Speaker 2: fantastic person from Columbia. Daniel, thank you so much again

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Speaker 3: How you doing Hey, Hey Alex, No, I'm doing very

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Speaker 2: Awesome. So next up, guys, when it comes to basically

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Speaker 2: It's Eli Sussman, the managing editor for Fish Stripes. This

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Speaker 2: thank you so much for coming in man. I do

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Speaker 2: appreciate all of your advice and everything that you provide

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Speaker 1: I'm terrific, Alex Dune just great. Good to see you

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Speaker 1: and yeah, I mean this is my favorite time of year.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, for sure, it'll be awesome to see them back.

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Speaker 2: everybody around Marlin's Twitter and everybody, you know, every fan

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Speaker 2: that wanted that big name signing that big contract to

433
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Speaker 2: come in help out the outfield or catcher or whatever

434
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Speaker 2: it was. And there were some in free agency and

435
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Speaker 2: the Marlins they passed. So the question here is what

436
00:23:18,600 --> 00:23:20,720
Speaker 2: were your thoughts of free agency? They did, guess some guys.

437
00:23:20,760 --> 00:23:23,399
Speaker 2: They got Anthony Bass, Adam Simber for the pendate. They

438
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Speaker 2: added Adam Duvald there at the end. You know your

439
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Speaker 2: thoughts here just as a whole on passing on some

440
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Speaker 2: of these other guys like a Rossario or Jock Peterson

441
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Speaker 2: or maybe Archie Bradley who I liked in free agency.

442
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Speaker 2: You know they passed, So your thoughts on that and

443
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Speaker 2: what do you have to say to people who are

444
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Speaker 2: disappointed that we didn't make that big signing.

445
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Speaker 1: Well, this has been such an awkward off season for

446
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Speaker 1: someone like me that wants to analyze it all on

447
00:23:51,280 --> 00:23:53,600
Speaker 1: fishtripes dot com. I've been trying to draw the line

448
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Speaker 1: between when the off season ends and when this new

449
00:23:56,040 --> 00:23:58,480
Speaker 1: season begins, and I think what I settled on is

450
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Speaker 1: that tomorrow is a fish where that line is. Hopefully,

451
00:24:01,480 --> 00:24:03,320
Speaker 1: if I don't push it off any longer, I'll have

452
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Speaker 1: a like a really long article up on the site

453
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Speaker 1: grading the off season. So I'll reserve some of the

454
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Speaker 1: analysis for that because it's really detailed, trying to give

455
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Speaker 1: a fair evaluation on what I think they did and

456
00:24:15,680 --> 00:24:20,080
Speaker 1: didn't do this offseason. You could absolutely see it in

457
00:24:20,200 --> 00:24:24,280
Speaker 1: like certain moves that finances were a factor, and Kim

458
00:24:24,320 --> 00:24:27,640
Speaker 1: Ang isn't going to admit to it, Jeter isn't going

459
00:24:27,720 --> 00:24:29,719
Speaker 1: to admit to it either. I think even Bruce Sherman

460
00:24:30,080 --> 00:24:34,720
Speaker 1: directly denied the pandemic influenced their payroll this year. I

461
00:24:34,800 --> 00:24:37,520
Speaker 1: don't believe him. I think that can't possibly be right

462
00:24:37,560 --> 00:24:39,639
Speaker 1: when you look at some of the areas they were

463
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Speaker 1: trying to address this offseason. The move that I'm sure

464
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Speaker 1: we'll go into a little bit more that was pretty

465
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Speaker 1: popular is signing Adam Duval to a one year guaranteed

466
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Speaker 1: deal with a mutual option on the end of it.

467
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Speaker 1: I like some of the certain things that he does

468
00:24:53,640 --> 00:24:57,119
Speaker 1: as a power hitter, and digging into his performance a

469
00:24:57,119 --> 00:24:59,399
Speaker 1: little bit, you could feel pretty confident that it'll continue

470
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Speaker 1: to hit for power moving forward. But this was a

471
00:25:02,480 --> 00:25:05,680
Speaker 1: free agent class that was stacked with corner outfielders like

472
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Speaker 1: Jock Pete Well. I guess at the highest end, George

473
00:25:08,320 --> 00:25:11,320
Speaker 1: Springer is someone that will be a corner outfielder eventually.

474
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Speaker 1: But even lowering the bar a little bit, Eddie Rosario,

475
00:25:15,359 --> 00:25:21,280
Speaker 1: Jack Peterson, Adam Eden when they're Kyle Schwarber, all these

476
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Speaker 1: guys that are significantly younger than Adam Duval, like at

477
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Speaker 1: an age where you think they fit really well with

478
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Speaker 1: the Marlins' current core, But As it turns out, all

479
00:25:30,240 --> 00:25:32,680
Speaker 1: these guys got more money than Duval and I'm pretty

480
00:25:32,680 --> 00:25:35,320
Speaker 1: sure that's what held the Marlins back from really even

481
00:25:35,359 --> 00:25:39,600
Speaker 1: being linked to any guys at that position and was

482
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Speaker 1: starting pitching too is like the big and following this offseason,

483
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Speaker 1: I think a lot of people were pleasantly surprised that

484
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Speaker 1: a lot of these free agent starting pitchers got pretty

485
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Speaker 1: good like individual salaries. They didn't get long term deals,

486
00:25:51,480 --> 00:25:54,040
Speaker 1: nobody got like long term deals as a pitcher, but

487
00:25:54,520 --> 00:25:57,159
Speaker 1: a lot of them got really strong salaries for this

488
00:25:57,320 --> 00:26:01,960
Speaker 1: upcoming year, such a like wide list of guys that

489
00:26:02,000 --> 00:26:03,760
Speaker 1: I thought would have made sense, Like coming off a

490
00:26:03,840 --> 00:26:06,639
Speaker 1: shortened season, you're gonna need more starting pitching depth than ever.

491
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Speaker 1: And as optimistic as the Marlins are about what they

492
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Speaker 1: have at the higher levels of their farm system, I

493
00:26:12,160 --> 00:26:14,879
Speaker 1: thought that once they got rid of Urania, once they

494
00:26:14,880 --> 00:26:17,560
Speaker 1: got rid of Robert Duggar, once they got rid of Yamamoto,

495
00:26:17,960 --> 00:26:20,360
Speaker 1: I mean those guys' performance wise, you're not gonna get

496
00:26:20,359 --> 00:26:22,359
Speaker 1: being blown away by any of them. I understand that

497
00:26:22,400 --> 00:26:26,080
Speaker 1: they're replaceable, but the Marlins really didn't replace them. They

498
00:26:26,119 --> 00:26:28,480
Speaker 1: didn't replace those innings. They're just like counting on the

499
00:26:28,560 --> 00:26:30,960
Speaker 1: next wave of arms coming up to contribute at some

500
00:26:30,960 --> 00:26:32,600
Speaker 1: point during the year. So I thought that was a

501
00:26:32,600 --> 00:26:36,760
Speaker 1: big missed opportunity. From Jake Odorizzi, from Jose Quintana. That

502
00:26:36,880 --> 00:26:38,920
Speaker 1: was the guy I really had circled as someone that

503
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Speaker 1: I knew would take a one year deal, who is

504
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Speaker 1: a veteran but not super old, and who has a

505
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Speaker 1: great track record of eating innings and even on the

506
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Speaker 1: low ends, like Ivan Nova. Ivan Nova is the guy

507
00:26:48,960 --> 00:26:51,000
Speaker 1: that pounds his own it's really efficient with his pitches.

508
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Speaker 1: I thought that would make a lot of sense. I mean,

509
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Speaker 1: you just you listen to what these players say. You

510
00:26:56,520 --> 00:26:59,400
Speaker 1: just got to listen to the players, how how much

511
00:26:59,840 --> 00:27:01,960
Speaker 1: appreciation they had for the veterans that were all in

512
00:27:01,960 --> 00:27:05,040
Speaker 1: the Marlin staff in recent years, like Urania and before him,

513
00:27:05,240 --> 00:27:09,160
Speaker 1: Dan Strayley, guys of that nature that even if they're

514
00:27:09,200 --> 00:27:12,399
Speaker 1: not performing that well, those guys have really indispensable advice

515
00:27:12,640 --> 00:27:16,240
Speaker 1: and they can be just really generous with those bad advice.

516
00:27:16,320 --> 00:27:18,280
Speaker 1: And the fact that the Marlins don't have a conventional

517
00:27:18,960 --> 00:27:21,480
Speaker 1: starting pitcher that kind of fits that profile, I think

518
00:27:21,600 --> 00:27:24,760
Speaker 1: is a missed opportunity. But all things considered, I like

519
00:27:25,280 --> 00:27:28,400
Speaker 1: the things that Dove all brings to the equation Anthony

520
00:27:28,480 --> 00:27:31,240
Speaker 1: Bass I thought was really nice pickup as well. And

521
00:27:32,600 --> 00:27:35,359
Speaker 1: I mean overall, they did something before the end of it.

522
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Speaker 1: I think I was really critical of them early in

523
00:27:37,359 --> 00:27:40,879
Speaker 1: the offseason, and I think they they helped bring it

524
00:27:40,960 --> 00:27:43,760
Speaker 1: up to respectability as we got towards the end of it.

525
00:27:44,560 --> 00:27:47,200
Speaker 1: No doubt though, that the pandemic had an effect on

526
00:27:47,280 --> 00:27:50,640
Speaker 1: this and the lack of a TV deal. It's insane

527
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Speaker 1: that we're talking here on February twenty seconds, the same

528
00:27:53,800 --> 00:27:56,159
Speaker 1: week that they started spring training games and there's no

529
00:27:56,480 --> 00:28:00,520
Speaker 1: local TV deal done with Fox Sports Florida. That must

530
00:28:00,560 --> 00:28:03,320
Speaker 1: have obviously weighed into what they were able to do

531
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Speaker 1: this offseason.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, just real quick for me to follow up what

533
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Speaker 2: you I just said. It really I think looking at

534
00:28:11,920 --> 00:28:14,320
Speaker 2: what some of these other guys that we mentioned signed for,

535
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Speaker 2: like Rosario or Peterson or Archie Bradley, who I really liked,

536
00:28:20,119 --> 00:28:22,840
Speaker 2: I had this down looking at what they signed for,

537
00:28:23,119 --> 00:28:25,240
Speaker 2: and then looking at what other guys that we got

538
00:28:25,359 --> 00:28:28,280
Speaker 2: signed for, like Duval who signed for five mil. These

539
00:28:28,359 --> 00:28:30,479
Speaker 2: guys that I think could have helped a little bit

540
00:28:30,560 --> 00:28:32,639
Speaker 2: more and fit a little bit more than Duval. I

541
00:28:32,680 --> 00:28:34,400
Speaker 2: do like Duvall I do like the power. I think

542
00:28:34,480 --> 00:28:36,760
Speaker 2: we need it in the outfield for sure. But these

543
00:28:36,880 --> 00:28:40,480
Speaker 2: other guys didn't sign for much less money. So is

544
00:28:40,600 --> 00:28:44,360
Speaker 2: the financial situation that serious surrounding the Marlins. Of course,

545
00:28:44,400 --> 00:28:46,640
Speaker 2: we just went through COVID. They're not going to admit it.

546
00:28:46,920 --> 00:28:49,280
Speaker 2: Of Course Sherman's not going to say, yeah, money's a problem.

547
00:28:49,520 --> 00:28:51,680
Speaker 2: We don't expect that. But I think there's a present

548
00:28:51,760 --> 00:28:55,000
Speaker 2: issue here with finances. And hopefully once we get fans

549
00:28:55,080 --> 00:28:56,960
Speaker 2: back in the park and get that money circulating and

550
00:28:57,080 --> 00:28:59,240
Speaker 2: get that fix of itself. But I think there is

551
00:28:59,280 --> 00:29:01,120
Speaker 2: an issue with with offind.

552
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Speaker 3: Yeah, I felt I felt that the strategy was pretty clear.

553
00:29:04,640 --> 00:29:07,520
Speaker 3: You know, it's weighted out, let everybody else fight for

554
00:29:07,640 --> 00:29:11,720
Speaker 3: the premium guys and then you know, when players started

555
00:29:12,360 --> 00:29:14,760
Speaker 3: getting a bit cheaper, that's when we came in and

556
00:29:14,920 --> 00:29:17,480
Speaker 3: we did you know, we signed these guys both in

557
00:29:17,560 --> 00:29:22,840
Speaker 3: January I believe, maybe yeah, no January of February. So

558
00:29:23,560 --> 00:29:25,960
Speaker 3: it does seem like that was the strategy. And yeah,

559
00:29:25,960 --> 00:29:30,040
Speaker 3: I mean their other strategy, which is let's not block

560
00:29:30,160 --> 00:29:32,920
Speaker 3: our prospects. It's it's also clear, you know, Duval is

561
00:29:33,000 --> 00:29:35,160
Speaker 3: a perfect guy. You know, you give him one year deal.

562
00:29:36,320 --> 00:29:38,720
Speaker 3: And you and I were talking about this Alex yesterday.

563
00:29:39,240 --> 00:29:41,920
Speaker 3: All three outfielders have one year, one year deals right

564
00:29:41,960 --> 00:29:46,560
Speaker 3: now or at the end of their contracts. So by

565
00:29:46,720 --> 00:29:49,840
Speaker 3: the end of twenty twenty one, Dickerson will be out

566
00:29:49,880 --> 00:29:52,480
Speaker 3: of a contract, Marte will be out of a contract,

567
00:29:52,760 --> 00:29:57,360
Speaker 3: and Duval will have a mutual option pending for seven

568
00:29:57,400 --> 00:30:03,680
Speaker 3: million dollars, which, yeah, unless he does amazing which if

569
00:30:03,720 --> 00:30:06,840
Speaker 3: he does to an amazing and amazing job, he'll probably

570
00:30:06,920 --> 00:30:09,640
Speaker 3: want a bigger contract than that. So it's hard that

571
00:30:09,800 --> 00:30:12,080
Speaker 3: Duvall will end up here for a second year. Point

572
00:30:12,160 --> 00:30:15,200
Speaker 3: is it's ready, you know, it's ready for the prospects,

573
00:30:15,240 --> 00:30:19,040
Speaker 3: for the days in Carnaciones Verdicts, Meisner's all those guys,

574
00:30:20,520 --> 00:30:25,120
Speaker 3: they're all really close and obviously the Montees of the world.

575
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Speaker 3: So yeah, those two pieces of strategy I believe were

576
00:30:30,280 --> 00:30:31,840
Speaker 3: pretty clear in this offseason.

577
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Speaker 1: Oh one more thing before we move on from the

578
00:30:34,320 --> 00:30:37,400
Speaker 1: subject to bring Pete in here. I mean that debacle

579
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Speaker 1: with negotiating with Brandon Kinsler. I mean they had a

580
00:30:39,960 --> 00:30:43,360
Speaker 1: club option on him to enter the offseason. They declined

581
00:30:43,400 --> 00:30:45,840
Speaker 1: it mildly unpopular move, but they were betting that they

582
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Speaker 1: would be able to bring him back at the end

583
00:30:47,440 --> 00:30:50,520
Speaker 1: of it at slightly less money. They had that opportunity

584
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Speaker 1: to bring him back at slightly less money right before

585
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Speaker 1: spring training, and they get outbid by the Phillies at

586
00:30:55,440 --> 00:30:58,200
Speaker 1: Lake by about one million dollars, even though they were

587
00:30:58,240 --> 00:31:01,840
Speaker 1: offering a major league deal. They were They clearly made him,

588
00:31:02,160 --> 00:31:03,960
Speaker 1: they thought he was somewhat of a priority for them,

589
00:31:04,000 --> 00:31:05,920
Speaker 1: and yet they didn't take that final step to bring

590
00:31:06,000 --> 00:31:07,720
Speaker 1: them back. So I mean, Pete, the fact that they

591
00:31:07,800 --> 00:31:11,080
Speaker 1: let Kinseler, in his huge plums go to a division rival,

592
00:31:12,160 --> 00:31:15,160
Speaker 1: That's that's one that I know. Pete is someone that

593
00:31:15,760 --> 00:31:19,560
Speaker 1: is uh, he brings the sunshine into these conversations. But

594
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Speaker 1: I imagine that's the one move that was a little

595
00:31:22,120 --> 00:31:23,160
Speaker 1: disappointing for you, right.

596
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Speaker 4: I was really disappointed because listen, Kints. On the field,

597
00:31:28,160 --> 00:31:31,160
Speaker 4: he delivered. He absolutely delivered last year. We can't we

598
00:31:31,280 --> 00:31:33,600
Speaker 4: can't deny that. Off the field as well. Media wise,

599
00:31:33,640 --> 00:31:36,440
Speaker 4: I thought he was sensational and what as the season

600
00:31:36,520 --> 00:31:39,080
Speaker 4: went on, what started to leak out more and more

601
00:31:39,240 --> 00:31:41,600
Speaker 4: was the influence I think the Kints had in the club.

602
00:31:41,680 --> 00:31:45,840
Speaker 4: I was on different guys, So you know what I

603
00:31:45,880 --> 00:31:48,080
Speaker 4: think when we look at these the types of structures

604
00:31:48,080 --> 00:31:51,000
Speaker 4: of deals and Mounds have been making. They're effectively making

605
00:31:51,120 --> 00:31:53,840
Speaker 4: kind of backloaded short term deals. Like it's clear there's

606
00:31:53,840 --> 00:31:57,520
Speaker 4: some financial challenges and you know, like Eli mentioned, they

607
00:31:58,160 --> 00:32:00,720
Speaker 4: they declined the four million, thought hey, let's getting back

608
00:32:00,720 --> 00:32:03,920
Speaker 4: on two and a half or whatever. And I think

609
00:32:04,080 --> 00:32:08,200
Speaker 4: for Kinseler, you know, hurt pride, hurt his pride. The

610
00:32:08,280 --> 00:32:11,040
Speaker 4: Phillies said hey, listen, come on a minor league deal.

611
00:32:11,560 --> 00:32:14,680
Speaker 4: He'll make the team because the Phillies bullpen was absolutely terrible.

612
00:32:15,240 --> 00:32:18,160
Speaker 4: And Kinseler's legit, so he'll come in. He'll make his

613
00:32:18,240 --> 00:32:20,280
Speaker 4: money back. So good luck to Kins.

614
00:32:20,360 --> 00:32:20,920
Speaker 2: I'll miss him.

615
00:32:20,960 --> 00:32:24,680
Speaker 4: I think the Marlins, you know, it's clearly a financial

616
00:32:24,960 --> 00:32:29,040
Speaker 4: issue that created that situation, but I think we'll regret it.

617
00:32:29,320 --> 00:32:32,640
Speaker 4: But a bigger picture bullpen wise, we may get into

618
00:32:32,680 --> 00:32:35,520
Speaker 4: this soon. I don't know. But for me, I think

619
00:32:35,520 --> 00:32:37,320
Speaker 4: actually the Marlins has done a nice job with the pen,

620
00:32:37,640 --> 00:32:41,960
Speaker 4: like it's a completely rebuilt pen. And I think the

621
00:32:42,040 --> 00:32:45,720
Speaker 4: way we've gone about adding guys through trades, you know,

622
00:32:45,840 --> 00:32:48,160
Speaker 4: guys that have been pitching in the World Series last year.

623
00:32:48,360 --> 00:32:50,800
Speaker 4: I think they've done a nice job. But totally honestly,

624
00:32:52,040 --> 00:32:54,200
Speaker 4: I haven't seen a lot of these guys before, do

625
00:32:54,240 --> 00:32:56,320
Speaker 4: you know what I mean? Like, I see the names,

626
00:32:56,360 --> 00:32:58,000
Speaker 4: I see the stats, but I've not seen them yet.

627
00:32:58,080 --> 00:32:59,880
Speaker 4: So I'm really intrigued to see what this pen can do.

628
00:33:00,120 --> 00:33:03,680
Speaker 4: But anyway, kins and his huge plums wishing well in Philadelphia.

629
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Speaker 4: I think the Marlins, I think we'll regret that one slightly,

630
00:33:07,480 --> 00:33:09,880
Speaker 4: but you know, it is what it is, Yeah, to.

631
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Speaker 3: Hit on that one Kinceler specifically. It's such a tricky

632
00:33:14,960 --> 00:33:21,200
Speaker 3: conversation because you know, it's what it's what differentiates, you know,

633
00:33:21,360 --> 00:33:24,080
Speaker 3: it's why you can't see players as you know, pieces

634
00:33:24,120 --> 00:33:28,520
Speaker 3: of meat open quote. You know, they aren't. They have feelings, right,

635
00:33:28,760 --> 00:33:32,920
Speaker 3: you know a big part of Kinceler's decision to not

636
00:33:33,040 --> 00:33:35,640
Speaker 3: go with Miami was that they hurt his feelings. It's

637
00:33:35,640 --> 00:33:38,120
Speaker 3: simple as that. You know, Miami saw it as a

638
00:33:38,200 --> 00:33:41,560
Speaker 3: baseball decision, like, hey, Kinselor you know, with his stuff,

639
00:33:41,720 --> 00:33:44,200
Speaker 3: with his age, he's probably not worth four million dollars,

640
00:33:44,560 --> 00:33:47,080
Speaker 3: so let's bring that salary down. This is how we

641
00:33:47,160 --> 00:33:49,960
Speaker 3: do it, Kinseler. Kinsler's mind is, hey, you know I

642
00:33:50,080 --> 00:33:55,080
Speaker 3: took that personally to quote MJ. So it's and then

643
00:33:55,320 --> 00:33:59,360
Speaker 3: obviously again if we stick to baseball. You look at

644
00:33:59,440 --> 00:34:02,360
Speaker 3: who they kind of to replace him, and I would

645
00:34:02,400 --> 00:34:06,280
Speaker 3: say that be in this case, maybe not for the ninth,

646
00:34:06,360 --> 00:34:10,040
Speaker 3: but in terms of stuff, it's Flora, right, it's he's

647
00:34:10,200 --> 00:34:14,279
Speaker 3: really similar stuff to Kinseler, but younger, you know, better

648
00:34:14,400 --> 00:34:18,560
Speaker 3: measurables everything, but again not pieces of meat. What does

649
00:34:18,600 --> 00:34:21,080
Speaker 3: that mean? It means can Flora come in in the

650
00:34:21,200 --> 00:34:24,239
Speaker 3: ninth against the Yankees to get a double play even

651
00:34:24,320 --> 00:34:27,080
Speaker 3: though he does show better stuff? Maybe he can. But

652
00:34:27,320 --> 00:34:29,680
Speaker 3: Kinsler did it. Kinsler showed it, and like he said,

653
00:34:30,440 --> 00:34:32,360
Speaker 3: what does he have in his head? It's, you know,

654
00:34:32,640 --> 00:34:37,760
Speaker 3: just cold blooded. That's amazing. It's somehow it's in today's baseball.

655
00:34:37,920 --> 00:34:42,160
Speaker 3: You know, you can't judge that that easily. So again

656
00:34:42,200 --> 00:34:43,320
Speaker 3: it's a tricky conversation.

657
00:34:43,560 --> 00:34:47,520
Speaker 4: But it was great, wasn't it? Just on Kints the

658
00:34:47,600 --> 00:34:52,359
Speaker 4: way he literally walked us through postgame what was going

659
00:34:52,400 --> 00:34:55,200
Speaker 4: through his head about how to get the double play?

660
00:34:55,440 --> 00:35:00,760
Speaker 4: Via le Mayhew, Like it was a sensational media segments.

661
00:35:00,880 --> 00:35:03,080
Speaker 4: So you know that's the thing with kins Like he

662
00:35:03,880 --> 00:35:05,680
Speaker 4: he sold the field, right, I guess that's the best

663
00:35:05,719 --> 00:35:06,239
Speaker 4: way to describe it.

664
00:35:06,239 --> 00:35:06,880
Speaker 2: He could see the.

665
00:35:06,920 --> 00:35:09,000
Speaker 4: Field, he knew what he had that he knew he

666
00:35:09,040 --> 00:35:13,120
Speaker 4: could get out, and that's you know, in high leverage,

667
00:35:13,480 --> 00:35:15,239
Speaker 4: you really need that and I think you can really

668
00:35:15,280 --> 00:35:15,680
Speaker 4: missed up.

669
00:35:16,440 --> 00:35:18,759
Speaker 2: Yeah, definitely, We're gonna get to it a little later

670
00:35:19,160 --> 00:35:21,480
Speaker 2: on which which move hurt us most. I think we

671
00:35:21,480 --> 00:35:24,160
Speaker 2: already know pets here and Canceler, but just just hitting

672
00:35:24,200 --> 00:35:27,960
Speaker 2: on in here for me. We heard about it today

673
00:35:28,840 --> 00:35:31,359
Speaker 2: and this wasn't just a one time occurrence. You hear

674
00:35:31,440 --> 00:35:34,440
Speaker 2: these young guys talk about how they've leaned on Brandon

675
00:35:34,520 --> 00:35:37,200
Speaker 2: Kinseler for advice and to help them. I think Nick

676
00:35:37,239 --> 00:35:39,080
Speaker 2: Knier said it today, but he's not the first one

677
00:35:39,160 --> 00:35:41,680
Speaker 2: to say it. He just fit. It just seems like

678
00:35:41,760 --> 00:35:43,839
Speaker 2: he fit here. I mean, how many big games did

679
00:35:43,880 --> 00:35:46,359
Speaker 2: he come into, including that Yankees game, how many big

680
00:35:46,400 --> 00:35:48,800
Speaker 2: games did he come into last year and instrumental for

681
00:35:48,840 --> 00:35:53,880
Speaker 2: that playoff run. I can't believe. I mean it's a

682
00:35:53,920 --> 00:35:56,400
Speaker 2: little while now, but I'm still I'm still not believing

683
00:35:56,520 --> 00:35:58,839
Speaker 2: that that we let him go based on the fact

684
00:35:58,840 --> 00:36:01,640
Speaker 2: that we wanted to just just penny pinching pretty much

685
00:36:01,680 --> 00:36:04,080
Speaker 2: is what it is. And you know, he takes a

686
00:36:04,200 --> 00:36:06,480
Speaker 2: minor league deal with the Phillies. Obviously that can turn

687
00:36:06,480 --> 00:36:08,000
Speaker 2: into more money if he makes the team. I think

688
00:36:08,040 --> 00:36:11,239
Speaker 2: he will based off the state of that bullpen. But

689
00:36:12,200 --> 00:36:14,279
Speaker 2: it's just really hurt to see him go based on

690
00:36:14,360 --> 00:36:15,719
Speaker 2: the fact that he brings it on the field and

691
00:36:15,800 --> 00:36:17,600
Speaker 2: he can mentor these kids off the field as well.

692
00:36:17,800 --> 00:36:23,200
Speaker 2: So yeah, definitely hurt. So all right, we'll go through

693
00:36:23,360 --> 00:36:25,040
Speaker 2: up to trades, and I want to go back to

694
00:36:25,160 --> 00:36:28,319
Speaker 2: Pete Pete. Uh, you know a little bit of both

695
00:36:28,480 --> 00:36:31,680
Speaker 2: we saw from from Kim Ang in trades. You know,

696
00:36:31,840 --> 00:36:34,640
Speaker 2: we see her dfa a guy like Jordan Ymamoto, and

697
00:36:34,719 --> 00:36:37,440
Speaker 2: we get back a long term prospect in Federico Polanco.

698
00:36:37,680 --> 00:36:40,960
Speaker 2: Me and Daniel love him. The club also, uh, you know,

699
00:36:41,000 --> 00:36:43,080
Speaker 2: they traded away some prospects too. Though they trade away

700
00:36:43,120 --> 00:36:46,920
Speaker 2: Evan Edwards, Marlin's extremely short at first base. We know

701
00:36:47,040 --> 00:36:49,239
Speaker 2: that they get rid of Evan Edwards, who was one

702
00:36:49,239 --> 00:36:52,520
Speaker 2: of their their basically one of their own only uh

703
00:36:53,040 --> 00:36:57,120
Speaker 2: you know, high high, highly touted first base prospects. But

704
00:36:57,200 --> 00:37:00,719
Speaker 2: they get back John Curtis. Really like this guy, you know,

705
00:37:00,800 --> 00:37:02,520
Speaker 2: we we got to talk to him the other day.

706
00:37:02,800 --> 00:37:05,279
Speaker 2: Seems like a big personality. I like his stuff too.

707
00:37:05,400 --> 00:37:07,800
Speaker 2: I think he definitely will add to the pen. Seems

708
00:37:07,880 --> 00:37:09,640
Speaker 2: like from what I took away from him, a really

709
00:37:09,920 --> 00:37:12,600
Speaker 2: communicative guy. I think he's gonna be that guy that's

710
00:37:12,640 --> 00:37:15,120
Speaker 2: in there given advice in place of Kinsler, which we

711
00:37:15,239 --> 00:37:17,319
Speaker 2: just talked about to these younger guys. He's obviously got

712
00:37:17,360 --> 00:37:19,040
Speaker 2: the time with the Rays, you know what they did

713
00:37:19,120 --> 00:37:21,160
Speaker 2: going to to the World Series and everything like that.

714
00:37:21,360 --> 00:37:24,120
Speaker 2: So yeah, don't don't really like to give the raise

715
00:37:24,160 --> 00:37:25,759
Speaker 2: too many pieces. That hasn't worked out well for the

716
00:37:25,800 --> 00:37:28,320
Speaker 2: Morelands in the past, but I think this one's a

717
00:37:28,360 --> 00:37:30,560
Speaker 2: good one. I wish Evan Edward's the best. He seems

718
00:37:30,560 --> 00:37:32,560
Speaker 2: like a cool kid. Good stats for him in his

719
00:37:32,640 --> 00:37:34,319
Speaker 2: only a full minor league season too, so we'll see

720
00:37:34,320 --> 00:37:36,359
Speaker 2: what happened for him, hopefully when I'm missing too much.

721
00:37:36,440 --> 00:37:39,160
Speaker 2: But uh yeah, just some thoughts here. You know, another

722
00:37:39,239 --> 00:37:41,120
Speaker 2: one they got rid of was Kyle Hurt, So again

723
00:37:41,280 --> 00:37:43,520
Speaker 2: they get rid of some some prospects to bring in

724
00:37:43,719 --> 00:37:46,000
Speaker 2: some some vets, and they also go the other way

725
00:37:46,000 --> 00:37:47,920
Speaker 2: as well, So a little bit of both. What do

726
00:37:47,960 --> 00:37:48,520
Speaker 2: you think here on this?

727
00:37:50,320 --> 00:37:53,560
Speaker 4: Yeah, you're right, you know, the priority was the pen

728
00:37:54,120 --> 00:37:57,360
Speaker 4: clearly because of the moves we made and you know,

729
00:37:58,160 --> 00:38:00,960
Speaker 4: non extending guys, et cetera. So we've gone out and

730
00:38:01,040 --> 00:38:03,960
Speaker 4: we've we've had to acquire some pen pieces which look good.

731
00:38:04,080 --> 00:38:06,200
Speaker 4: They look nice pieces, and so we've had to give

732
00:38:06,200 --> 00:38:10,120
Speaker 4: away some of the guys. For me, the overriding feeling

733
00:38:10,160 --> 00:38:13,640
Speaker 4: I get is our scouting guys are absolutely knocking out

734
00:38:13,680 --> 00:38:16,600
Speaker 4: the park at the moment. Those the scouting guys are

735
00:38:16,719 --> 00:38:21,440
Speaker 4: just on it, and clearly the Marlins are just stacked

736
00:38:21,480 --> 00:38:23,640
Speaker 4: full of guys that other teams want. You know, these

737
00:38:23,719 --> 00:38:28,759
Speaker 4: guys are just delivering. So I'm perfectly comfortable giving away

738
00:38:28,920 --> 00:38:32,320
Speaker 4: non top thirty I guess system type guys to go

739
00:38:32,440 --> 00:38:37,719
Speaker 4: and acquire proven major league guys on minor money. I guess,

740
00:38:38,120 --> 00:38:41,080
Speaker 4: you know, the league minimum money, which is absolutely our profiles.

741
00:38:41,160 --> 00:38:43,640
Speaker 4: So you know, it's not easy to get them guys, right,

742
00:38:43,680 --> 00:38:45,520
Speaker 4: you know, to go away and get proven guys on

743
00:38:46,160 --> 00:38:49,040
Speaker 4: the cheap deals. You know you've got to give up some.

744
00:38:49,239 --> 00:38:53,239
Speaker 4: But it hasn't surprised me whatsoever the way we've gone

745
00:38:53,239 --> 00:38:54,759
Speaker 4: about it. Kim Hang and I think one of their

746
00:38:54,800 --> 00:38:58,520
Speaker 4: first press conferences said, you know, we're gonna the free

747
00:38:58,560 --> 00:39:00,640
Speaker 4: agent market. I don't think was a key. Already clearly

748
00:39:00,719 --> 00:39:03,520
Speaker 4: we have you know, we're not at that level. It

749
00:39:03,680 --> 00:39:06,040
Speaker 4: was more so the trade market that she highlighted where

750
00:39:06,440 --> 00:39:09,000
Speaker 4: we're going to be operating in. So I like what

751
00:39:09,080 --> 00:39:14,200
Speaker 4: we've done. I like in theory. On paper, I like

752
00:39:14,280 --> 00:39:19,640
Speaker 4: the look of this pen, but with bullpens, you won't

753
00:39:19,680 --> 00:39:22,400
Speaker 4: know what you've got until the heat is on and

754
00:39:22,520 --> 00:39:24,600
Speaker 4: then we'll find out how good this pen is. So

755
00:39:25,360 --> 00:39:27,040
Speaker 4: but overall, I like what we've done.

756
00:39:27,640 --> 00:39:31,279
Speaker 3: This shows a change of mentality, right, you know this time,

757
00:39:31,600 --> 00:39:35,239
Speaker 3: well not last. A couple of years ago, we were

758
00:39:35,320 --> 00:39:39,080
Speaker 3: trading the Nick Anderson's to grab prospects, you know, we

759
00:39:39,160 --> 00:39:44,680
Speaker 3: were trading the bullpend ready now guys to you know,

760
00:39:44,840 --> 00:39:47,960
Speaker 3: make our farm system better. So now it's the other

761
00:39:47,960 --> 00:39:50,560
Speaker 3: way around. You know, we're giving away guys highly doubted

762
00:39:50,600 --> 00:39:53,200
Speaker 3: you guys to make our major league team better. And

763
00:39:54,200 --> 00:39:57,520
Speaker 3: I think it's safe to say that that's how it's

764
00:39:57,560 --> 00:40:00,279
Speaker 3: going to love moving forward. Unless we have it, you know,

765
00:40:00,680 --> 00:40:03,279
Speaker 3: horrible two to three months to start the season and

766
00:40:04,040 --> 00:40:06,560
Speaker 3: we become sellers for a few of our guys. The

767
00:40:06,680 --> 00:40:09,040
Speaker 3: majority of our trades are now going to be probably

768
00:40:10,440 --> 00:40:13,080
Speaker 3: to make our major league team better instead of of

769
00:40:13,239 --> 00:40:13,919
Speaker 3: making it worse.

770
00:40:15,719 --> 00:40:18,279
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm much happier with the trades than the free

771
00:40:18,320 --> 00:40:21,640
Speaker 1: agency this offseason. My biggest my biggest s gripe is

772
00:40:21,719 --> 00:40:24,560
Speaker 1: who they're choosing to trade with. I mean, I think

773
00:40:25,640 --> 00:40:28,080
Speaker 1: it could be a rookie GM mistake to be trading

774
00:40:28,120 --> 00:40:30,640
Speaker 1: with the Rays and the Dodgers, the two organizations that

775
00:40:31,080 --> 00:40:33,360
Speaker 1: everybody else is afraid of. They said, the two teams

776
00:40:33,440 --> 00:40:37,520
Speaker 1: that just have a supernatural ability to create depth in

777
00:40:37,600 --> 00:40:40,959
Speaker 1: their organization. That they take undesirable players from other teams

778
00:40:41,000 --> 00:40:42,880
Speaker 1: to make them better, and when they get rid of

779
00:40:43,000 --> 00:40:45,960
Speaker 1: desirable players, it makes you think twice about whether or

780
00:40:46,000 --> 00:40:48,839
Speaker 1: not you should actually want them or not. I think

781
00:40:48,880 --> 00:40:53,200
Speaker 1: the Dodgers with Dylan Flora, that's one that on the

782
00:40:53,280 --> 00:40:55,719
Speaker 1: surface I like the deal. It just raises a red

783
00:40:55,760 --> 00:40:57,960
Speaker 1: flag to me that a team coming that just won

784
00:40:58,000 --> 00:41:01,360
Speaker 1: the World Series and that has three more years of

785
00:41:01,440 --> 00:41:04,200
Speaker 1: control over Floro. So this is the big reason why

786
00:41:04,280 --> 00:41:05,680
Speaker 1: I like the trades that made is because a lot

787
00:41:05,719 --> 00:41:08,280
Speaker 1: of these guys have a lot of control remaining. Floro

788
00:41:08,360 --> 00:41:10,400
Speaker 1: has three years and gets a Curtis in a second.

789
00:41:11,120 --> 00:41:14,479
Speaker 1: He is even more so the reason why they would

790
00:41:14,520 --> 00:41:17,440
Speaker 1: trade Floro at this stage of his career when he's

791
00:41:17,440 --> 00:41:20,320
Speaker 1: still so inexpensive too. I mean less than a million

792
00:41:20,400 --> 00:41:24,160
Speaker 1: dollars in salary this year for someone like Vessia, and

793
00:41:24,400 --> 00:41:26,319
Speaker 1: I know you've talked about Vessia on this pod before.

794
00:41:26,360 --> 00:41:29,320
Speaker 1: I've talked about Vesio on my pod before that what

795
00:41:29,480 --> 00:41:34,400
Speaker 1: he showed really fascinating minor league career, absolutely dominant career,

796
00:41:34,840 --> 00:41:36,600
Speaker 1: and he kind of brought it all the way up

797
00:41:36,640 --> 00:41:39,200
Speaker 1: through the Arizona Fall League and Major Leagues spring training

798
00:41:39,560 --> 00:41:42,160
Speaker 1: that I wouldn't be surprised if he has he turns

799
00:41:42,200 --> 00:41:44,000
Speaker 1: out to be a better pitcher at his peak than

800
00:41:44,080 --> 00:41:46,360
Speaker 1: Floro is. But I really liked that trade off for

801
00:41:46,400 --> 00:41:49,200
Speaker 1: the Marlins because I think this upcoming year you can

802
00:41:49,239 --> 00:41:52,440
Speaker 1: definitely expect more from Floro. He's a much more reliable

803
00:41:52,640 --> 00:41:56,120
Speaker 1: guy than Vessia is for at least his upcoming season.

804
00:41:56,200 --> 00:41:58,520
Speaker 1: So I like making some sort of effort to improve

805
00:41:58,960 --> 00:42:00,560
Speaker 1: their current rock serve.

806
00:42:00,400 --> 00:42:00,960
Speaker 2: With that deal.

807
00:42:01,880 --> 00:42:04,440
Speaker 1: It's just hard for me to like square together why

808
00:42:04,480 --> 00:42:08,640
Speaker 1: a team like the Dodgers that would want to get

809
00:42:08,719 --> 00:42:11,239
Speaker 1: rid of a guy like that, for someone that has

810
00:42:11,280 --> 00:42:13,600
Speaker 1: been in the organization who kind of turned his career

811
00:42:13,840 --> 00:42:18,399
Speaker 1: around right before coming to the Dodgers. That it does

812
00:42:19,120 --> 00:42:21,239
Speaker 1: raise some red flags to me, just the fact that

813
00:42:21,560 --> 00:42:24,080
Speaker 1: whenever you're dealing with an organization that has that reputation

814
00:42:24,520 --> 00:42:26,719
Speaker 1: and the Marlins haven't quite earned that reputation yet for

815
00:42:26,800 --> 00:42:29,319
Speaker 1: being smart and for winning all these trades. Their track

816
00:42:29,360 --> 00:42:32,480
Speaker 1: record is pretty mixed, and with Curtis now he is

817
00:42:32,560 --> 00:42:35,080
Speaker 1: even a shorter major league track record, But I love

818
00:42:35,160 --> 00:42:38,160
Speaker 1: it because he at least has the potential to be overpowering,

819
00:42:38,440 --> 00:42:41,800
Speaker 1: and that's something that this Marlins bullpen was really missing.

820
00:42:41,880 --> 00:42:44,840
Speaker 1: Last year they were able to have some success. They

821
00:42:44,920 --> 00:42:48,480
Speaker 1: got it a little bit from Jimmy Garcia. I think

822
00:42:48,520 --> 00:42:51,359
Speaker 1: he's kind of a borderline overpowering guy. Most of these

823
00:42:51,360 --> 00:42:54,920
Speaker 1: other ones are finesse pitchers that really rely on managing

824
00:42:55,040 --> 00:42:58,080
Speaker 1: contact of keeping the ball in the ballpark, and there's

825
00:42:58,120 --> 00:43:00,719
Speaker 1: some luck involved with that, which is what you just see.

826
00:43:00,719 --> 00:43:03,160
Speaker 1: A lot of these teams prefer ones that can strike

827
00:43:03,200 --> 00:43:06,680
Speaker 1: out the side in a critical situation, and Curtis is

828
00:43:06,800 --> 00:43:09,719
Speaker 1: someone that I really think can do that as well.

829
00:43:09,760 --> 00:43:11,719
Speaker 1: I mean, his minor league track record something like a

830
00:43:11,880 --> 00:43:14,959
Speaker 1: twenty eight percent strikeout rate throughout his minor league career.

831
00:43:16,080 --> 00:43:20,000
Speaker 1: He's someone that has a couple plus pitches right right

832
00:43:20,080 --> 00:43:22,200
Speaker 1: in the middle of his pitch mix, his fastball and

833
00:43:22,239 --> 00:43:24,359
Speaker 1: his slider, and you really don't need a whole lot

834
00:43:24,440 --> 00:43:27,400
Speaker 1: more than that. If you're throwing strikes. So with him,

835
00:43:27,480 --> 00:43:29,560
Speaker 1: he has so many more years of control left too

836
00:43:29,800 --> 00:43:31,840
Speaker 1: that you never would like to see any you know,

837
00:43:31,960 --> 00:43:34,080
Speaker 1: you never want to treat any reliever as a long

838
00:43:34,200 --> 00:43:36,920
Speaker 1: term part of what you're building. You can't really look

839
00:43:37,000 --> 00:43:39,040
Speaker 1: that far ahead. But I just I like the fact

840
00:43:39,080 --> 00:43:43,040
Speaker 1: that the Marlins have that option with him. And yeah,

841
00:43:43,080 --> 00:43:45,440
Speaker 1: these other little trades that they made I approve of

842
00:43:45,600 --> 00:43:47,440
Speaker 1: as well. I mean, I wasn't a fan of getting

843
00:43:47,480 --> 00:43:49,520
Speaker 1: rid of Jordan Yamamoto, you know, for those concerns they

844
00:43:49,600 --> 00:43:53,040
Speaker 1: mentioned about having starting rotation depth and really needing guys

845
00:43:53,080 --> 00:43:55,400
Speaker 1: that can eat innings. But he's a guy that does

846
00:43:55,480 --> 00:43:59,080
Speaker 1: have an injury history coming off obviously a totally lost

847
00:43:59,200 --> 00:44:02,080
Speaker 1: twenty twenty season, and so to get something for him

848
00:44:02,280 --> 00:44:05,480
Speaker 1: in Polanco, that's better than nothing. And of course, the

849
00:44:05,560 --> 00:44:09,239
Speaker 1: biggest test of this offseason for the Marlins coming any

850
00:44:09,320 --> 00:44:11,520
Speaker 1: moments when we figure out what they're gonna do with

851
00:44:11,600 --> 00:44:15,880
Speaker 1: Harold's Ramirez after designating him for assignments. So I am

852
00:44:16,320 --> 00:44:19,000
Speaker 1: I'm anxiously awaiting to see what they got in return

853
00:44:19,440 --> 00:44:22,240
Speaker 1: for one of my favorite players, hoping they get something

854
00:44:22,320 --> 00:44:27,120
Speaker 1: in return for him, and that's what I'm really waiting

855
00:44:27,160 --> 00:44:30,080
Speaker 1: on before making a final ruling of this offseason. If

856
00:44:30,120 --> 00:44:34,880
Speaker 1: you're gonna get rid of Harold's I hope they figure

857
00:44:34,920 --> 00:44:37,120
Speaker 1: something out that they get him into a good situation

858
00:44:37,320 --> 00:44:41,239
Speaker 1: and also hopefully just getting somebody back in return that

859
00:44:41,360 --> 00:44:43,000
Speaker 1: could have a future in the organization.

860
00:44:44,320 --> 00:44:48,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean these smaller trades you mentioned it. We've

861
00:44:48,160 --> 00:44:51,239
Speaker 2: seen these kind of deals before. With Austin Dean, you know,

862
00:44:51,360 --> 00:44:53,439
Speaker 2: he left for the Cardinals, we got back a small

863
00:44:53,480 --> 00:44:56,480
Speaker 2: piece for him. It's becoming more popular I think in

864
00:44:56,560 --> 00:45:00,440
Speaker 2: baseball in the DFA process to actually get something or somebody.

865
00:45:00,840 --> 00:45:02,960
Speaker 2: So I think we definitely should be able to get

866
00:45:03,000 --> 00:45:05,040
Speaker 2: something for Harold, who I mentioned it to you off

867
00:45:05,080 --> 00:45:07,440
Speaker 2: the air. It's just a victim of numbers for him.

868
00:45:07,920 --> 00:45:10,000
Speaker 2: I said to you that No DH really hurt him

869
00:45:10,800 --> 00:45:12,440
Speaker 2: and with everything that he would have had to navigate

870
00:45:12,480 --> 00:45:15,440
Speaker 2: in this outfield, and then he's kind of limited defensively

871
00:45:15,480 --> 00:45:19,000
Speaker 2: as well. You know, it's not that the Marlins didn't

872
00:45:19,080 --> 00:45:22,640
Speaker 2: like Harold Ramirez, it's just that he just he just

873
00:45:22,760 --> 00:45:25,319
Speaker 2: got He just got killed by that numbers crunch. That's

874
00:45:25,360 --> 00:45:27,319
Speaker 2: basically what it was there. I do hope we can

875
00:45:27,360 --> 00:45:30,160
Speaker 2: get something of value back for Harold and definitely wish

876
00:45:30,239 --> 00:45:31,680
Speaker 2: him well because he's definitely a cool guy.

877
00:45:32,200 --> 00:45:36,680
Speaker 3: Guys, are lineup needs hitters. We have several good outfielders,

878
00:45:36,719 --> 00:45:40,520
Speaker 3: we need hitters that I mean, listen, man, Yes he's Colombian.

879
00:45:40,520 --> 00:45:44,000
Speaker 3: I'm Colombian, right. I wasn't mad when we got rid

880
00:45:44,040 --> 00:45:47,279
Speaker 3: of Tyron Gerer. I understood, and but this one's fine.

881
00:45:47,280 --> 00:45:51,800
Speaker 3: I understand obviously the points, but we need hitters. He

882
00:45:51,960 --> 00:45:54,400
Speaker 3: came up from Triple A and killed it. You know,

883
00:45:54,520 --> 00:45:56,239
Speaker 3: he did. Like what I'm I'm not looking at it

884
00:45:56,360 --> 00:46:01,319
Speaker 3: right now, but seven hundred plus ops. You know, none

885
00:46:01,400 --> 00:46:04,759
Speaker 3: of our prospectators have come up and done well to start,

886
00:46:04,800 --> 00:46:06,320
Speaker 3: obviously small sample sizes.

887
00:46:06,440 --> 00:46:06,799
Speaker 4: He did.

888
00:46:07,239 --> 00:46:09,200
Speaker 3: And everybody talks about Harold like, oh, you know, we

889
00:46:09,320 --> 00:46:10,320
Speaker 3: know what we have with Harold.

890
00:46:10,400 --> 00:46:11,200
Speaker 4: I mean, this is it?

891
00:46:12,239 --> 00:46:14,279
Speaker 3: Who says that? I mean, why is this it? He's

892
00:46:14,360 --> 00:46:18,279
Speaker 3: twenty six years old, so yeah. I hope he doesn't

893
00:46:18,360 --> 00:46:21,160
Speaker 3: end up in another NLES team as Yams did and

894
00:46:21,480 --> 00:46:23,760
Speaker 3: and kill us for the next five years or something.

895
00:46:23,880 --> 00:46:25,640
Speaker 3: I hope he ends up like in the Tigers or

896
00:46:25,680 --> 00:46:28,880
Speaker 3: something where I can actually root for him. But I

897
00:46:28,960 --> 00:46:31,480
Speaker 3: really liked Harold. I mean he could hit, period. That's

898
00:46:31,520 --> 00:46:32,920
Speaker 3: that's what I felt we needed right now.

899
00:46:33,680 --> 00:46:36,680
Speaker 2: Yeah, just because you mentioned it, I know Peter will

900
00:46:36,719 --> 00:46:39,760
Speaker 2: probably agree with me on this one. It definitely hurts

901
00:46:39,840 --> 00:46:42,200
Speaker 2: to see these these players that we watch come up

902
00:46:42,320 --> 00:46:45,759
Speaker 2: in different NL East uniforms. I can't even look at

903
00:46:45,800 --> 00:46:47,400
Speaker 2: Jordan Yamamoto's Twitter page anymore.

904
00:46:47,640 --> 00:46:48,239
Speaker 1: It just hurts.

905
00:46:48,320 --> 00:46:50,319
Speaker 2: And I'm sure Eli's gonna be the same way if

906
00:46:50,560 --> 00:46:53,520
Speaker 2: Harold goes to another NL E S team. Hopefully that

907
00:46:53,600 --> 00:46:54,160
Speaker 2: doesn't happen.

908
00:46:54,520 --> 00:46:58,640
Speaker 3: Harold in Philly Red Oh can't even man?

909
00:46:59,080 --> 00:47:02,759
Speaker 2: No, thanks, all right, guys, I would code up the

910
00:47:02,800 --> 00:47:05,120
Speaker 2: spring training here. I definitely want to hund on the battles.

911
00:47:05,400 --> 00:47:07,160
Speaker 2: There's a couple of there're big ones that we're going

912
00:47:07,239 --> 00:47:10,200
Speaker 2: to see play out. I'm really excited for those. But

913
00:47:10,239 --> 00:47:12,120
Speaker 2: I want to mention something here first before we get

914
00:47:12,120 --> 00:47:16,600
Speaker 2: to that. Regarding Sandy Alcantra, we heard during his first

915
00:47:16,600 --> 00:47:19,399
Speaker 2: spring presser the other day, he says that this season

916
00:47:19,440 --> 00:47:21,680
Speaker 2: he wants to do two things. He wants to throw

917
00:47:21,760 --> 00:47:24,520
Speaker 2: two hundred innings. That's number one, and number two is

918
00:47:24,560 --> 00:47:26,440
Speaker 2: he wants to be the leader of this Marlin staff.

919
00:47:27,040 --> 00:47:28,560
Speaker 2: The first thing is the potential for two in an

920
00:47:28,600 --> 00:47:30,680
Speaker 2: innings is definitely there, as long as he stays Hallithan

921
00:47:30,719 --> 00:47:32,920
Speaker 2: stays out there. This is the guy that is countered

922
00:47:32,960 --> 00:47:34,920
Speaker 2: on to go out and throw quality start basically every

923
00:47:35,000 --> 00:47:37,319
Speaker 2: time it goes out, and he almost all the time

924
00:47:37,360 --> 00:47:39,680
Speaker 2: does it. Obviously, you know, it's unrealistic to say that

925
00:47:39,719 --> 00:47:41,200
Speaker 2: every time he's going to do that, but he gets

926
00:47:41,239 --> 00:47:44,080
Speaker 2: pretty close. You know, it was less than three innings

927
00:47:44,080 --> 00:47:47,239
Speaker 2: away from doing it in twenty nineteen, so definitely an

928
00:47:47,239 --> 00:47:49,680
Speaker 2: attainable goal. And I put this on Twitter the other

929
00:47:49,760 --> 00:47:51,560
Speaker 2: day just because I was looking through numbers just wondering

930
00:47:51,600 --> 00:47:53,560
Speaker 2: who was the last Marlins picture to throw two hundred

931
00:47:53,560 --> 00:47:56,800
Speaker 2: innings in a full seasons, thinking maybe Jose, thinking you know,

932
00:47:57,080 --> 00:47:59,399
Speaker 2: maybe in Alaska who did do it. But the name

933
00:47:59,440 --> 00:48:01,719
Speaker 2: I did not think of was Mark Burley, who is

934
00:48:01,760 --> 00:48:03,560
Speaker 2: the last guy to throw two hundred innings for the

935
00:48:03,600 --> 00:48:07,880
Speaker 2: Marlins in twenty twelve. So fun fact there. Hopefully Sandy

936
00:48:07,960 --> 00:48:10,200
Speaker 2: can can can get that as well, so I think

937
00:48:10,239 --> 00:48:13,160
Speaker 2: he can. So the question is going to be for Daniel.

938
00:48:13,560 --> 00:48:15,480
Speaker 2: It's on the second thing that Sandy said about wanting

939
00:48:15,480 --> 00:48:18,160
Speaker 2: to become a leader. Obviously on the field pretty much

940
00:48:18,160 --> 00:48:21,319
Speaker 2: speaks for himself. Right, He's definitely the ace of the staff, right, now,

941
00:48:21,960 --> 00:48:24,920
Speaker 2: so naturally a leader in Matt right, just based off

942
00:48:25,000 --> 00:48:26,719
Speaker 2: what he brings in what he shows guys that he

943
00:48:26,800 --> 00:48:31,440
Speaker 2: has talking to. I believe it was Castano today. He

944
00:48:31,560 --> 00:48:33,920
Speaker 2: was mentioning about his bulldog mentality and about how he

945
00:48:34,560 --> 00:48:37,000
Speaker 2: watches his starts and picks tries to pick something up

946
00:48:37,040 --> 00:48:39,239
Speaker 2: from each one of them. Thought that was really cool.

947
00:48:39,280 --> 00:48:41,719
Speaker 2: I know he's probably not the only one. You know,

948
00:48:41,760 --> 00:48:44,160
Speaker 2: He's got some older guys around him. Cassano included, if

949
00:48:44,239 --> 00:48:46,600
Speaker 2: Cassano makes a team, a few older vets in this

950
00:48:46,680 --> 00:48:49,600
Speaker 2: bullpen as well. So you know, the question here is,

951
00:48:50,480 --> 00:48:52,239
Speaker 2: you know, with all of that in place, you love

952
00:48:52,320 --> 00:48:54,680
Speaker 2: his mindset. Like I said, he's a bulldog type guy.

953
00:48:55,320 --> 00:48:57,959
Speaker 2: I love that quote that we heard from him during

954
00:48:58,000 --> 00:49:01,120
Speaker 2: this twenty twenty season before that Yankees game, They're not

955
00:49:01,200 --> 00:49:02,839
Speaker 2: ready for my stuff and then he just goes out

956
00:49:02,840 --> 00:49:05,120
Speaker 2: there and just blows them away. So obviously the confidence

957
00:49:05,200 --> 00:49:06,879
Speaker 2: factor is there as well, and I think that would

958
00:49:07,160 --> 00:49:10,000
Speaker 2: definitely rub off on some of our younger talent and

959
00:49:10,120 --> 00:49:12,000
Speaker 2: how to go out and trust your stuff. So I

960
00:49:12,040 --> 00:49:14,080
Speaker 2: want to get your thoughts though, Daniel, in addition to

961
00:49:14,160 --> 00:49:16,040
Speaker 2: what I just said, maybe you share those same viewpoints.

962
00:49:16,280 --> 00:49:18,520
Speaker 2: What do you think Sandy has to do this season

963
00:49:18,560 --> 00:49:20,320
Speaker 2: to prove that he's a leader on this team, not

964
00:49:20,440 --> 00:49:21,799
Speaker 2: just on the field, but in the clubhouse too.

965
00:49:24,040 --> 00:49:26,560
Speaker 3: He needs to become that ace. I mean, obviously there's

966
00:49:26,840 --> 00:49:29,960
Speaker 3: on field and there's off the field. Off the field,

967
00:49:30,000 --> 00:49:34,680
Speaker 3: I feel I think I saw Maddingly somewhere quoting he's

968
00:49:34,680 --> 00:49:35,399
Speaker 3: a silent leader.

969
00:49:35,440 --> 00:49:35,560
Speaker 4: Man.

970
00:49:35,600 --> 00:49:37,480
Speaker 3: He doesn't have to say a word. You know, he

971
00:49:38,640 --> 00:49:40,840
Speaker 3: he knows what he's doing. He has that confidence. He

972
00:49:41,280 --> 00:49:44,760
Speaker 3: goes out and does things right, and the younger players

973
00:49:44,760 --> 00:49:49,600
Speaker 3: can see that he's that type of leader and on

974
00:49:49,760 --> 00:49:53,759
Speaker 3: the field to that mentality, man, you know, he still

975
00:49:53,840 --> 00:49:57,160
Speaker 3: doesn't have a Max Scherzer the gram stuff. Obviously, you

976
00:49:57,200 --> 00:50:00,880
Speaker 3: know he's not there yet, but his mentality, he believes it.

977
00:50:01,040 --> 00:50:02,960
Speaker 3: When you mentioned about the Yankees, what he said, like

978
00:50:03,800 --> 00:50:06,680
Speaker 3: you as a fan, you read that and you're like hype.

979
00:50:06,880 --> 00:50:08,759
Speaker 3: You know, You're like, yes, you know, that's what I

980
00:50:08,880 --> 00:50:11,960
Speaker 3: want to hear from my ace. You know, like, come

981
00:50:12,040 --> 00:50:15,719
Speaker 3: and get me mentality. And if he can't put his

982
00:50:16,120 --> 00:50:18,719
Speaker 3: you know, put his money where his mouth is and

983
00:50:19,360 --> 00:50:22,360
Speaker 3: do that, which he did, he did exactly that, you know,

984
00:50:22,480 --> 00:50:26,080
Speaker 3: I mean he did it to the Yankees, and that

985
00:50:26,160 --> 00:50:28,160
Speaker 3: he did it to the Cubs in the playoffs, you know,

986
00:50:28,560 --> 00:50:33,759
Speaker 3: big important games. So that's exactly what he's doing right now.

987
00:50:33,840 --> 00:50:35,680
Speaker 3: He is becoming that leader and you know, he is

988
00:50:35,800 --> 00:50:39,200
Speaker 3: becoming a big influence for our guys, and that's scumungous.

989
00:50:44,719 --> 00:50:47,680
Speaker 1: Yeah, this kind of overlaps with what Mike Ripe was

990
00:50:48,360 --> 00:50:51,759
Speaker 1: with free agency that I think Sandy is awesome. I

991
00:50:51,880 --> 00:50:53,680
Speaker 1: think it would just be great if the team invested

992
00:50:53,719 --> 00:50:57,680
Speaker 1: in one other starting pitcher that is more conventionally a veteran,

993
00:50:57,800 --> 00:51:01,160
Speaker 1: because I I guess we brought this up right before

994
00:51:01,200 --> 00:51:04,799
Speaker 1: we started recording that. I mean, Sandy's just so young,

995
00:51:05,000 --> 00:51:08,600
Speaker 1: and he really not that far removed from him struggling

996
00:51:08,680 --> 00:51:10,840
Speaker 1: at the major league level. It was that adjustment pretty

997
00:51:10,920 --> 00:51:14,719
Speaker 1: late in the twenty nineteen season that really got him

998
00:51:14,760 --> 00:51:18,120
Speaker 1: on this track where he's been really consistent ever since.

999
00:51:18,520 --> 00:51:21,680
Speaker 1: But such a relatively short period of time, and he's

1000
00:51:21,680 --> 00:51:24,239
Speaker 1: still really figuring out exactly how to best utilize his

1001
00:51:24,320 --> 00:51:28,960
Speaker 1: stuff based around his sinker and even like what he's

1002
00:51:29,040 --> 00:51:31,239
Speaker 1: done with his mechanics. Again, we're just not that far

1003
00:51:31,320 --> 00:51:35,000
Speaker 1: removed from him really struggling to find consistency at the

1004
00:51:35,080 --> 00:51:37,560
Speaker 1: major league level that it just seems like a really

1005
00:51:37,600 --> 00:51:41,080
Speaker 1: big responsibility to put on his shoulders coming into this

1006
00:51:41,239 --> 00:51:46,560
Speaker 1: year to be like that leader in more ways than

1007
00:51:46,600 --> 00:51:49,520
Speaker 1: one for a rotation. If you have any expectations of

1008
00:51:49,600 --> 00:51:53,520
Speaker 1: that rotation and that team being a competitive team, that

1009
00:51:53,760 --> 00:51:56,680
Speaker 1: it seems like a little too much too soon, But

1010
00:51:57,520 --> 00:51:59,960
Speaker 1: we're gonna find out. I mean, I've no doubts about it.

1011
00:52:00,239 --> 00:52:03,760
Speaker 1: Him as a person and the intangibles he brings, and honestly,

1012
00:52:03,840 --> 00:52:06,600
Speaker 1: the Marlins feel so strongly about him. I don't even

1013
00:52:06,640 --> 00:52:08,920
Speaker 1: think this is necessarily on our rundown, but I mean,

1014
00:52:09,080 --> 00:52:12,879
Speaker 1: he's a guy that, even though generally you shy away

1015
00:52:12,880 --> 00:52:15,440
Speaker 1: from making long term commitments to pitchers, if the Marlins

1016
00:52:15,480 --> 00:52:19,399
Speaker 1: really do feel so strongly about him and how he's

1017
00:52:19,440 --> 00:52:22,120
Speaker 1: going to consue to get better and better utilize this

1018
00:52:22,160 --> 00:52:25,280
Speaker 1: stuff to miss bats, and if they see a ceiling

1019
00:52:25,360 --> 00:52:28,719
Speaker 1: for him to be like a really superstar player, then

1020
00:52:28,719 --> 00:52:30,839
Speaker 1: it'd be great if they try to get him under

1021
00:52:30,960 --> 00:52:33,960
Speaker 1: some sort of long term contract before he is production

1022
00:52:34,160 --> 00:52:36,719
Speaker 1: makes him unaffordable again. I don't know if we're going

1023
00:52:36,760 --> 00:52:40,320
Speaker 1: to get to this in the podcast, but that's the

1024
00:52:40,400 --> 00:52:42,759
Speaker 1: one thing that sticks about out about this Marlins off season.

1025
00:52:42,760 --> 00:52:45,440
Speaker 1: They've been relatively quiet and that's been okay. If they

1026
00:52:45,440 --> 00:52:48,359
Speaker 1: feel so strongly about these players internally, then I would

1027
00:52:48,400 --> 00:52:50,560
Speaker 1: have liked to see them. And there's still time between

1028
00:52:50,560 --> 00:52:52,280
Speaker 1: now and opening day. That's when a lot of contract

1029
00:52:52,360 --> 00:52:54,839
Speaker 1: extensions get done. If they feel so strongly about these

1030
00:52:54,880 --> 00:52:56,880
Speaker 1: young guys and what they're going to accomplish on the field,

1031
00:52:57,440 --> 00:53:00,759
Speaker 1: then the time to move is now to get those

1032
00:53:00,800 --> 00:53:06,080
Speaker 1: guys under long term control, to make them to give them,

1033
00:53:06,239 --> 00:53:09,680
Speaker 1: of course, the resources, a lifetime of wealth under a contract.

1034
00:53:09,719 --> 00:53:11,399
Speaker 1: There's a lot to be said for that and also

1035
00:53:11,480 --> 00:53:13,759
Speaker 1: for the organization to be able to put together a

1036
00:53:13,800 --> 00:53:16,320
Speaker 1: well rounded roster. If you want to retain these guys,

1037
00:53:16,760 --> 00:53:19,479
Speaker 1: then you want to act before they reach their peak.

1038
00:53:19,600 --> 00:53:21,840
Speaker 1: Once they reach their peak, it's just very difficult to

1039
00:53:21,880 --> 00:53:22,319
Speaker 1: afford them.

1040
00:53:23,680 --> 00:53:29,640
Speaker 2: Absolutely right, man, it's absolutely correct. You know these guys,

1041
00:53:29,760 --> 00:53:31,840
Speaker 2: you know that have these skilled players that come you know,

1042
00:53:31,880 --> 00:53:35,120
Speaker 2: whatever position they are, Brian Anderson, Sandy whoever it is.

1043
00:53:35,239 --> 00:53:36,839
Speaker 2: You know that that's here that they have a couple

1044
00:53:36,840 --> 00:53:39,320
Speaker 2: of years of control left, of course, but you know

1045
00:53:39,960 --> 00:53:43,040
Speaker 2: you want to get that deal done before they absolutely

1046
00:53:43,120 --> 00:53:46,040
Speaker 2: take off. Exactly what Eli said is exactly right. It

1047
00:53:46,160 --> 00:53:48,799
Speaker 2: also speaks back to maybe the problems with financials. Maybe

1048
00:53:48,800 --> 00:53:51,200
Speaker 2: the Marlins just can't afford it right now. I think

1049
00:53:51,239 --> 00:53:54,520
Speaker 2: that's playing into it as well. We don't know for sure,

1050
00:53:55,360 --> 00:53:59,520
Speaker 2: so interesting stuff coming up, you know, like like uh,

1051
00:53:59,680 --> 00:54:02,200
Speaker 2: like I said, if we feel so good about these

1052
00:54:02,239 --> 00:54:05,000
Speaker 2: guys that we have and we want them here, you

1053
00:54:05,080 --> 00:54:07,440
Speaker 2: gotta pay him to be here. So I mean it's

1054
00:54:07,440 --> 00:54:08,840
Speaker 2: gonna come down to that. It's gonna come down to

1055
00:54:08,880 --> 00:54:10,719
Speaker 2: we pay him, but we don't, And as far as

1056
00:54:10,800 --> 00:54:12,040
Speaker 2: Sandy and Brian go, I hope we do.

1057
00:54:15,200 --> 00:54:15,319
Speaker 3: Right.

1058
00:54:15,719 --> 00:54:18,359
Speaker 2: So I'm gonna get to the spring battles. I'm gonna

1059
00:54:18,360 --> 00:54:20,279
Speaker 2: go to Pete first, and the first one we're gonna

1060
00:54:20,280 --> 00:54:22,719
Speaker 2: talk about is gonna be second base, all right, So

1061
00:54:23,080 --> 00:54:27,640
Speaker 2: obviously Pete, we got Dashism, he got Ison ds Isan

1062
00:54:28,360 --> 00:54:31,239
Speaker 2: came from the Illustrade of course, beat up Triple A

1063
00:54:31,280 --> 00:54:34,040
Speaker 2: pitching to start twenty nineteen, came to the Fish for

1064
00:54:34,120 --> 00:54:37,160
Speaker 2: his first forty nine big league games, played seven games

1065
00:54:37,200 --> 00:54:40,360
Speaker 2: with the Marlins in twenty twenty, opted out because of COVID,

1066
00:54:41,160 --> 00:54:43,640
Speaker 2: came back for the playoff run and injured himself. So

1067
00:54:44,239 --> 00:54:46,279
Speaker 2: it was a tough timeline for him. After how he

1068
00:54:46,400 --> 00:54:49,160
Speaker 2: dominated twenty nineteen and Triple A like he he was

1069
00:54:49,239 --> 00:54:51,600
Speaker 2: going off earned that call up for sure. You know

1070
00:54:51,640 --> 00:54:53,680
Speaker 2: it's just a cup of coffee that when I say

1071
00:54:53,719 --> 00:54:57,120
Speaker 2: forty nine games, you know, probably learned a lot. And

1072
00:54:57,239 --> 00:54:59,080
Speaker 2: then you know he chooses to opt out because the

1073
00:54:59,120 --> 00:55:01,520
Speaker 2: COVID tries to come back and he goes down. So

1074
00:55:01,680 --> 00:55:03,719
Speaker 2: I think he's hungry. I think he's going to come

1075
00:55:03,760 --> 00:55:07,080
Speaker 2: back camp and really show it. And this is going

1076
00:55:07,120 --> 00:55:09,200
Speaker 2: to be a super fun battle because the guy behind

1077
00:55:09,320 --> 00:55:12,480
Speaker 2: him is Jassism and jas Chism, who's rated, you know,

1078
00:55:12,800 --> 00:55:17,719
Speaker 2: a top shortstop, middle and field prospect all across Baseball America, fangrafs,

1079
00:55:17,920 --> 00:55:20,360
Speaker 2: wherever you look, you know this guy's there. He's up

1080
00:55:20,400 --> 00:55:23,919
Speaker 2: there in these rankings for middle endfielders. So definitely gonna

1081
00:55:23,920 --> 00:55:26,080
Speaker 2: be fun to watch it. I love Jazz in terms

1082
00:55:26,120 --> 00:55:29,320
Speaker 2: of his tools and his mindset. The thing for me

1083
00:55:29,600 --> 00:55:33,279
Speaker 2: personally and who I think has a slight edge here

1084
00:55:33,800 --> 00:55:37,120
Speaker 2: would go to Easton Diaz just because he has more

1085
00:55:37,239 --> 00:55:40,279
Speaker 2: time played against upper level minor league pitching. That would

1086
00:55:40,320 --> 00:55:43,440
Speaker 2: be it for me as my my main reason why

1087
00:55:43,600 --> 00:55:47,040
Speaker 2: I would say the slight edge goes to east On Diaz.

1088
00:55:47,600 --> 00:55:50,440
Speaker 2: But Jazz has all the tools in the world and

1089
00:55:50,520 --> 00:55:52,080
Speaker 2: if he can put polish on him here in spring

1090
00:55:52,160 --> 00:55:54,520
Speaker 2: training and show that he can hit for power and

1091
00:55:54,560 --> 00:55:57,240
Speaker 2: for average, which I definitely think he can also great defense.

1092
00:55:58,280 --> 00:55:59,759
Speaker 2: It's gonna be a good competition. So what do you

1093
00:55:59,760 --> 00:56:01,880
Speaker 2: think and what's your reason behind you you think is

1094
00:56:01,880 --> 00:56:02,200
Speaker 2: going to win?

1095
00:56:03,760 --> 00:56:06,840
Speaker 4: It is the ultimate competition that the Marlins have in

1096
00:56:07,239 --> 00:56:10,600
Speaker 4: spring In many ways, this second base is it's tough.

1097
00:56:11,640 --> 00:56:15,480
Speaker 4: You've highlighted right with Isan nothing left to prove in

1098
00:56:15,560 --> 00:56:19,960
Speaker 4: the minor leagues and just hasn't had a run at it,

1099
00:56:20,200 --> 00:56:22,680
Speaker 4: a full proper run at it since you know, he

1100
00:56:22,800 --> 00:56:25,800
Speaker 4: was opening days starter right at second base twenty twenty

1101
00:56:26,239 --> 00:56:30,680
Speaker 4: he started. I'm pretty sure he did, you know, and

1102
00:56:30,760 --> 00:56:33,480
Speaker 4: then you know, things COVID wise got out of hand

1103
00:56:33,520 --> 00:56:37,520
Speaker 4: and he opted out. So you know, for me, Isan

1104
00:56:37,800 --> 00:56:42,880
Speaker 4: should be favorite. But I also really liked what I

1105
00:56:42,920 --> 00:56:45,399
Speaker 4: saw at a Jazz too, as he kind of grew

1106
00:56:45,480 --> 00:56:49,239
Speaker 4: into it at the back end of the sprint. But

1107
00:56:49,440 --> 00:56:52,160
Speaker 4: at the back end of that and into the postseason

1108
00:56:53,840 --> 00:56:58,160
Speaker 4: he was showing flashes of exactly what what we went

1109
00:56:58,239 --> 00:57:01,840
Speaker 4: and got, And the reality is we gave away a

1110
00:57:01,960 --> 00:57:05,279
Speaker 4: huge piece to go and get him. He's Mickey Rose

1111
00:57:05,320 --> 00:57:10,480
Speaker 4: understudy long term, a short stop. It's just an intriguing battle.

1112
00:57:10,560 --> 00:57:13,040
Speaker 4: I mean, Jazz has got so many tools. He San's

1113
00:57:13,080 --> 00:57:15,839
Speaker 4: got so many tools. I'd really like to see Sand

1114
00:57:15,920 --> 00:57:18,240
Speaker 4: just get a run at it. If I'm honest. It's

1115
00:57:18,360 --> 00:57:23,360
Speaker 4: just the powers, their powers, just seriously legit. The fielding

1116
00:57:23,400 --> 00:57:25,200
Speaker 4: wise was a bit of a concern from Memory in

1117
00:57:25,240 --> 00:57:28,040
Speaker 4: his twenty nineteen year. I think there was a few

1118
00:57:28,160 --> 00:57:32,360
Speaker 4: growing pains there. So listen, Jazz hasn't covered there, I think.

1119
00:57:33,400 --> 00:57:38,040
Speaker 4: But for me, this is the ultimate battle. I oh,

1120
00:57:39,320 --> 00:57:43,000
Speaker 4: who makes it? I think Jazz Chisholm takes it.

1121
00:57:43,240 --> 00:57:47,320
Speaker 3: There, you go, wow, all right, you heard it here

1122
00:57:47,320 --> 00:57:47,720
Speaker 3: at first.

1123
00:57:49,240 --> 00:57:52,000
Speaker 4: That's with no insight from anyone your guests.

1124
00:57:52,960 --> 00:57:55,360
Speaker 1: Well, we'd made it almost an hour into a Marlins

1125
00:57:55,400 --> 00:57:59,680
Speaker 1: podcast without saying Craig Mish's name yet. And I'm aligned

1126
00:57:59,720 --> 00:58:02,360
Speaker 1: with me, I mean him and I A. He's pretty

1127
00:58:02,400 --> 00:58:03,840
Speaker 1: sure that Jazz is going to win this battle, and

1128
00:58:03,880 --> 00:58:07,560
Speaker 1: I'm pretty sure that Jazz is gonna win it. I

1129
00:58:07,680 --> 00:58:10,920
Speaker 1: don't like to overreact to the tiny sample sizes in

1130
00:58:11,040 --> 00:58:14,320
Speaker 1: terms of the actual stats, but yeah, just in terms

1131
00:58:14,360 --> 00:58:18,160
Speaker 1: of key moments, and obviously EON's home run and his

1132
00:58:18,280 --> 00:58:21,320
Speaker 1: debut that was so wonderful, and the fact that came

1133
00:58:21,400 --> 00:58:24,600
Speaker 1: up against Jacob de Gram ofval People. It was a

1134
00:58:24,680 --> 00:58:28,840
Speaker 1: really fantastic moment. But in terms of actually watching the

1135
00:58:28,920 --> 00:58:34,000
Speaker 1: individual plays that these guys make and seeing what distinguishes

1136
00:58:34,040 --> 00:58:36,320
Speaker 1: them from anybody else and seeing a path for them

1137
00:58:36,400 --> 00:58:39,280
Speaker 1: to be really big impact players. I felt that Jazz,

1138
00:58:39,320 --> 00:58:42,160
Speaker 1: even in a smaller sample last year, he did more

1139
00:58:42,200 --> 00:58:45,160
Speaker 1: both I guess, mostly defensively and as a base runner

1140
00:58:46,000 --> 00:58:48,440
Speaker 1: than what Eson did the previous year to make me

1141
00:58:48,520 --> 00:58:52,000
Speaker 1: confident in him. It's I think it was a big

1142
00:58:52,080 --> 00:58:54,800
Speaker 1: missed opportunity for Eson that again it was really out

1143
00:58:54,800 --> 00:58:58,120
Speaker 1: of his control of what happens with winter ball this

1144
00:58:58,200 --> 00:59:01,320
Speaker 1: past season where he went to back to Puerto Rico

1145
00:59:01,760 --> 00:59:04,240
Speaker 1: to play. He had played there previously in a previous offseason,

1146
00:59:04,760 --> 00:59:07,680
Speaker 1: and their schedule got so compressed it's supposed to be

1147
00:59:07,880 --> 00:59:11,320
Speaker 1: like forty something games, and this year was only about seventeen.

1148
00:59:11,480 --> 00:59:13,520
Speaker 1: He wasn't even there for the regular season. He showed

1149
00:59:13,560 --> 00:59:16,800
Speaker 1: up only once the playoffs got started. And then right

1150
00:59:16,880 --> 00:59:19,040
Speaker 1: after the playoffs got started, one of the other teams

1151
00:59:19,080 --> 00:59:20,600
Speaker 1: in the league, not his team, but one the other

1152
00:59:20,680 --> 00:59:23,080
Speaker 1: teams had a COVID outbreak and they just shut things

1153
00:59:23,160 --> 00:59:26,360
Speaker 1: down for two weeks. Like his team had clinched their

1154
00:59:26,400 --> 00:59:29,400
Speaker 1: spot in the finals, the league finals, and they had

1155
00:59:29,440 --> 00:59:31,560
Speaker 1: to wait two weeks to actually find out who their

1156
00:59:31,560 --> 00:59:34,120
Speaker 1: opponent was because of a separate COVID outbreak. And he

1157
00:59:35,080 --> 00:59:36,880
Speaker 1: I guess he hasn't spoken publicly about this. I'd be

1158
00:59:36,920 --> 00:59:39,960
Speaker 1: interested to hear what his thinking was about returning to

1159
00:59:40,080 --> 00:59:41,880
Speaker 1: the US instead of waiting that out and getting a

1160
00:59:41,920 --> 00:59:45,880
Speaker 1: few extra reps. But either way, the playing experience wasn't there,

1161
00:59:45,960 --> 00:59:47,320
Speaker 1: and I felt that we could have learned a lot

1162
00:59:47,400 --> 00:59:49,040
Speaker 1: more about him, and he could have learned a lot

1163
00:59:49,080 --> 00:59:52,120
Speaker 1: more about himself by just getting more reps during the

1164
00:59:52,160 --> 00:59:56,520
Speaker 1: winter that unfortunately just weren't really there for him. And

1165
00:59:57,880 --> 00:59:59,800
Speaker 1: again that's not necessarily going to mean the end of

1166
01:00:00,080 --> 01:00:01,920
Speaker 1: his career, of course. I mean, whoever doesn't win this

1167
01:00:02,000 --> 01:00:04,480
Speaker 1: battle can go right to Triple A and just be

1168
01:00:04,600 --> 01:00:07,280
Speaker 1: there in waiting. This is a season we like to

1169
01:00:07,320 --> 01:00:10,760
Speaker 1: think of it as being less chaotic than last year,

1170
01:00:11,600 --> 01:00:14,960
Speaker 1: but the reality is there could still be some COVID chaos,

1171
01:00:15,160 --> 01:00:17,080
Speaker 1: like you could. I would still bank on there being

1172
01:00:17,320 --> 01:00:18,840
Speaker 1: the need for more players to be used at the

1173
01:00:18,840 --> 01:00:21,040
Speaker 1: major league level this year than in your typical season.

1174
01:00:21,320 --> 01:00:23,000
Speaker 1: That whoever goes down to Triple A is going to

1175
01:00:23,000 --> 01:00:26,000
Speaker 1: be coming back up for a pretty significant portion of

1176
01:00:26,040 --> 01:00:29,400
Speaker 1: the season at some point, I think, so. I wouldn't

1177
01:00:29,440 --> 01:00:31,800
Speaker 1: want to. I don't want to make any bold declarations

1178
01:00:31,800 --> 01:00:35,840
Speaker 1: about either one. But I definitely think that Jazz will

1179
01:00:36,320 --> 01:00:39,240
Speaker 1: win the job out of camp. I'm pretty sure about that.

1180
01:00:39,920 --> 01:00:42,800
Speaker 1: A lot could happen, and I obviously hope it's a

1181
01:00:42,840 --> 01:00:44,840
Speaker 1: tough decision. I hope both of them thrive and make

1182
01:00:44,880 --> 01:00:45,480
Speaker 1: it a tough call.

1183
01:00:45,920 --> 01:00:46,280
Speaker 2: I would.

1184
01:00:46,680 --> 01:00:48,640
Speaker 1: I would expect Jazz, though, to come out of it.

1185
01:00:49,160 --> 01:00:52,200
Speaker 3: I'm gonna I'm gonna stick with UH with these on

1186
01:00:52,440 --> 01:00:55,320
Speaker 3: for this one. I mean, people, people forget man. But

1187
01:00:55,800 --> 01:00:59,200
Speaker 3: twenty nineteen Triple A. Yes, I know it's the PCL,

1188
01:00:59,440 --> 01:01:03,440
Speaker 3: but it's one thirty two WRC plus that's twenty six

1189
01:01:03,560 --> 01:01:08,960
Speaker 3: home runs in one hundred games, three ninety five obp right,

1190
01:01:09,240 --> 01:01:12,880
Speaker 3: twenty two percent k rate. These are you know, these

1191
01:01:12,920 --> 01:01:16,160
Speaker 3: are really good numbers. And he has played what fifty

1192
01:01:16,240 --> 01:01:20,200
Speaker 3: five games in the majors. If you send this kid

1193
01:01:20,280 --> 01:01:24,400
Speaker 3: down to Triple A right now, that's a tough message

1194
01:01:24,480 --> 01:01:30,200
Speaker 3: to send, especially because of the optics, right, Yammoto Yelich trade,

1195
01:01:30,680 --> 01:01:34,480
Speaker 3: He's gone. Brinson struggling. Yes, he did a bit better,

1196
01:01:34,640 --> 01:01:38,880
Speaker 3: but he's struggling. Monte first season, he's struggling. He's probably

1197
01:01:38,880 --> 01:01:41,000
Speaker 3: gonna start a Triple A. If you send this guy

1198
01:01:41,040 --> 01:01:44,280
Speaker 3: down to Triple A two, that's that's really bad. Like

1199
01:01:44,520 --> 01:01:46,760
Speaker 3: again for the Marlins, I'm back Yali Strade, but more

1200
01:01:46,800 --> 01:01:51,520
Speaker 3: than that, he was unlucky last season, right, I think

1201
01:01:51,560 --> 01:01:53,440
Speaker 3: it's his job to lose. I think he'd have to

1202
01:01:53,520 --> 01:01:56,920
Speaker 3: have a pretty crappy spring training to lose it. And

1203
01:01:57,280 --> 01:01:59,760
Speaker 3: combined that with the fact that I do feel like

1204
01:02:00,080 --> 01:02:05,000
Speaker 3: as does need kind of like a just six, you know,

1205
01:02:05,200 --> 01:02:09,600
Speaker 3: three months in Triple A. I even though you know

1206
01:02:09,760 --> 01:02:13,760
Speaker 3: Jazz is cheat your favorite, I think I think it

1207
01:02:13,840 --> 01:02:16,640
Speaker 3: has to be Man to start. But again, it's it's

1208
01:02:16,680 --> 01:02:20,040
Speaker 3: as as as Pete mentioned, it's the battle, right, It's

1209
01:02:20,120 --> 01:02:24,040
Speaker 3: it's you could go either way, but I'd be surprised

1210
01:02:24,080 --> 01:02:24,840
Speaker 3: man if it's not.

1211
01:02:26,320 --> 01:02:29,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean we're split here, guys, Me and Daniel

1212
01:02:29,200 --> 01:02:31,480
Speaker 2: with and then you got Pete and Eli with Jazz.

1213
01:02:31,560 --> 01:02:34,680
Speaker 2: That's why we're here. I love to see differing viewpoints

1214
01:02:34,720 --> 01:02:37,440
Speaker 2: for sure. Different opinions is great. One more thing to

1215
01:02:37,520 --> 01:02:40,600
Speaker 2: mention on on this battle, I was I was looking

1216
01:02:40,600 --> 01:02:42,400
Speaker 2: at at both guys, you know, sizing them up a

1217
01:02:42,400 --> 01:02:44,480
Speaker 2: little bit side by side, look at the mechanically a

1218
01:02:44,520 --> 01:02:46,080
Speaker 2: little bit before we got on, because I was back

1219
01:02:46,120 --> 01:02:49,400
Speaker 2: and forth as well. Ultimately I decided on Ethon because

1220
01:02:49,480 --> 01:02:52,280
Speaker 2: I said, you know, more time at the higher levels

1221
01:02:52,280 --> 01:02:55,560
Speaker 2: of the miners, and then of course just the fact

1222
01:02:55,600 --> 01:02:58,920
Speaker 2: that you know, I really don't think he has anything

1223
01:02:59,000 --> 01:03:02,640
Speaker 2: left to prove in minor league baseball kind of grouping

1224
01:03:02,720 --> 01:03:06,040
Speaker 2: with Lewis Brinson. I mean, Lewis Brinson obviously is in

1225
01:03:06,160 --> 01:03:08,200
Speaker 2: different position, has more to navigate there in terms of

1226
01:03:08,240 --> 01:03:10,680
Speaker 2: what the Marlins have, you know, right now for right

1227
01:03:10,760 --> 01:03:14,240
Speaker 2: now depth and for outfielders. But these guys, when it

1228
01:03:14,280 --> 01:03:17,120
Speaker 2: comes down to it, there's just nothing left for them

1229
01:03:17,400 --> 01:03:22,840
Speaker 2: to prove against Trip I pitchers. So I think, I mean,

1230
01:03:22,880 --> 01:03:25,680
Speaker 2: it's it's hard because, like again, it's the battle, right

1231
01:03:26,160 --> 01:03:29,520
Speaker 2: But if I'm sitting here right now and you ask

1232
01:03:29,600 --> 01:03:31,360
Speaker 2: me who wins that job, and I have to answer,

1233
01:03:31,440 --> 01:03:34,160
Speaker 2: it's got to Bean. But the interesting thing for me

1234
01:03:35,040 --> 01:03:38,880
Speaker 2: is it's so cool because these guys are so similar.

1235
01:03:39,520 --> 01:03:42,040
Speaker 2: They both b left and throw right. They're both like

1236
01:03:42,200 --> 01:03:45,200
Speaker 2: five eleven six foot, two hundred pounds, they have similar

1237
01:03:45,520 --> 01:03:48,720
Speaker 2: tool skill sets with the great power at premium positions.

1238
01:03:49,400 --> 01:03:51,200
Speaker 2: You know, Jazz, like we said, has has him on

1239
01:03:51,240 --> 01:03:53,120
Speaker 2: the defense, I think's got some work to do with

1240
01:03:53,120 --> 01:03:56,000
Speaker 2: the defense. So it's gonna be so fun to see

1241
01:03:56,040 --> 01:03:58,080
Speaker 2: a play out just because of how similar these guys

1242
01:03:58,120 --> 01:04:01,320
Speaker 2: are with their skill sets at least offense, and know

1243
01:04:01,440 --> 01:04:04,200
Speaker 2: how much they have in common. So gonna be cool

1244
01:04:04,280 --> 01:04:06,440
Speaker 2: for sure. Another thing I wanted to mention before we

1245
01:04:06,520 --> 01:04:10,280
Speaker 2: gets to our next topic. Maddingly, we heard him say

1246
01:04:10,560 --> 01:04:13,560
Speaker 2: not too long ago that he's not getting away from

1247
01:04:13,680 --> 01:04:17,360
Speaker 2: Jazz's potential future at shortstop. So, I mean, if Easton

1248
01:04:17,400 --> 01:04:19,880
Speaker 2: wins this battle and Jazz goes down and starts, you know,

1249
01:04:20,160 --> 01:04:22,840
Speaker 2: hitting well at shortstop, could we see him come up

1250
01:04:23,040 --> 01:04:25,560
Speaker 2: and you know, maybe platoon or get into games at

1251
01:04:25,600 --> 01:04:28,160
Speaker 2: shortstop with Maggie and Bertie and other guys like that.

1252
01:04:28,400 --> 01:04:31,280
Speaker 2: It's possible. So he definitely pinpointed the fact that they

1253
01:04:31,360 --> 01:04:33,920
Speaker 2: don't want to stop his future development as a shortstop.

1254
01:04:34,440 --> 01:04:35,600
Speaker 2: So an interesting point there.

1255
01:04:36,400 --> 01:04:40,160
Speaker 1: Yeah, this would be unpopular, but we needed at least

1256
01:04:40,320 --> 01:04:44,720
Speaker 1: mention the possibility that there is a lot of potential

1257
01:04:44,840 --> 01:04:47,960
Speaker 1: for Mickey Road to regress from where he was last year.

1258
01:04:48,040 --> 01:04:50,640
Speaker 1: I mean last year he was his results were the

1259
01:04:50,680 --> 01:04:52,720
Speaker 1: best on the team. He was the most productive hitter

1260
01:04:52,840 --> 01:04:56,320
Speaker 1: on the team. Absolutely incredible considering where he was just

1261
01:04:56,360 --> 01:04:59,840
Speaker 1: a couple of years ago. You dig into the stats

1262
01:04:59,880 --> 01:05:02,720
Speaker 1: is as much as you want and there's just not

1263
01:05:02,880 --> 01:05:04,680
Speaker 1: a hole out there that tells you that he's going

1264
01:05:04,760 --> 01:05:08,240
Speaker 1: to keep this going. That there was some luck and ball,

1265
01:05:08,360 --> 01:05:10,440
Speaker 1: some small sample size involved all. I mean, what he

1266
01:05:10,560 --> 01:05:12,680
Speaker 1: the biggest improvement he did make is that he was

1267
01:05:12,760 --> 01:05:14,800
Speaker 1: just constantly putting his bat on the ball. If you're

1268
01:05:14,840 --> 01:05:17,360
Speaker 1: not striking out, then you always have the opportunity to

1269
01:05:17,440 --> 01:05:20,440
Speaker 1: be super productive. And that's exactly what happened with him.

1270
01:05:22,200 --> 01:05:24,280
Speaker 1: He's he's a guy that I mean, we just need

1271
01:05:24,360 --> 01:05:25,880
Speaker 1: to put ourselves in the mindset of where we were

1272
01:05:25,960 --> 01:05:28,640
Speaker 1: not that long ago. Entering the twenty nineteen season, he

1273
01:05:28,760 --> 01:05:32,280
Speaker 1: was splitting playing time with JT. Riddle at shortstop. That's

1274
01:05:32,360 --> 01:05:34,840
Speaker 1: less than two years ago. And it was in twenty

1275
01:05:34,920 --> 01:05:38,080
Speaker 1: twenty that he took over. As it was throughout the

1276
01:05:38,120 --> 01:05:40,280
Speaker 1: twenty nineteen season that he got that stronghold on the

1277
01:05:40,320 --> 01:05:43,280
Speaker 1: short stop position, he got the contract extension. He entered

1278
01:05:43,320 --> 01:05:46,520
Speaker 1: twenty twenty, he got to such a hot start, and

1279
01:05:46,560 --> 01:05:48,360
Speaker 1: then when he came back from COVID picked up exactly

1280
01:05:48,400 --> 01:05:50,240
Speaker 1: where he left off. He had a hold on that

1281
01:05:50,320 --> 01:05:54,240
Speaker 1: starting shortstop job. But as quickly as that came to him,

1282
01:05:54,360 --> 01:05:57,760
Speaker 1: I think it could go away relatively quickly too. Everybody

1283
01:05:57,840 --> 01:06:00,880
Speaker 1: hopes it doesn't, because he is everything you could want

1284
01:06:00,880 --> 01:06:04,400
Speaker 1: as an ambassador for this organization, the honorary captain of

1285
01:06:04,480 --> 01:06:08,320
Speaker 1: the organization. That being said, I just I wouldn't be

1286
01:06:08,360 --> 01:06:11,320
Speaker 1: totally shocked if at some point during this year he

1287
01:06:11,680 --> 01:06:14,600
Speaker 1: gets into a really rough I think there's at least

1288
01:06:14,600 --> 01:06:17,600
Speaker 1: that possibility that he fades from being an everyday player

1289
01:06:17,920 --> 01:06:20,760
Speaker 1: very quickly. I hope he doesn't, but that's exactly why

1290
01:06:20,880 --> 01:06:23,920
Speaker 1: they have all these highly regarded shortstops in their organization.

1291
01:06:24,720 --> 01:06:26,520
Speaker 1: For all the positives you could say about Meggi, Row

1292
01:06:26,760 --> 01:06:30,120
Speaker 1: doesn't have that traditional athleticism that you want from a shortstop.

1293
01:06:30,760 --> 01:06:33,800
Speaker 1: So it's in the not too distant future I think

1294
01:06:33,840 --> 01:06:36,120
Speaker 1: you could see somebody else moving into that job.

1295
01:06:39,040 --> 01:06:40,040
Speaker 4: We better move on quick.

1296
01:06:40,120 --> 01:06:47,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, surprise, Pete's not wearing his uh his A shirt.

1297
01:06:48,600 --> 01:06:52,840
Speaker 2: I think I've got four of them, big, big Meggie

1298
01:06:52,880 --> 01:06:55,000
Speaker 2: Row fan. Can't blame him. That can't blame Pete at all.

1299
01:06:55,080 --> 01:06:59,080
Speaker 2: A great guy. His podcast with with Pete was incredible

1300
01:06:59,080 --> 01:07:01,240
Speaker 2: when you had him on. I really liked the questions

1301
01:07:01,280 --> 01:07:03,440
Speaker 2: you had for him and everything. Just seems like the

1302
01:07:03,640 --> 01:07:07,360
Speaker 2: nicest guy. I really hope what Eli said it definitely

1303
01:07:07,400 --> 01:07:09,000
Speaker 2: could happen. Then he could come back down to earth

1304
01:07:09,000 --> 01:07:11,920
Speaker 2: a little bit over the course of the full season especially,

1305
01:07:12,600 --> 01:07:15,000
Speaker 2: So I think that's also being taken into account by

1306
01:07:15,000 --> 01:07:17,040
Speaker 2: the Marlins and what Manningly said about how they still

1307
01:07:17,040 --> 01:07:20,520
Speaker 2: want to develop Jazz at short stop position. But yeah,

1308
01:07:21,480 --> 01:07:24,440
Speaker 2: a lot of traffic there as well, coming after Jashism,

1309
01:07:25,000 --> 01:07:28,320
Speaker 2: So I mean there's gonna be guys that get moved around,

1310
01:07:29,040 --> 01:07:30,720
Speaker 2: you know, just talking about some of the deeper down

1311
01:07:30,760 --> 01:07:33,680
Speaker 2: guys like Joe Dunand he switched over to third base

1312
01:07:33,720 --> 01:07:36,919
Speaker 2: full time after starting his career as a shortstop, went

1313
01:07:37,040 --> 01:07:39,520
Speaker 2: off in the Winter leagues. We saw that, Eli, you

1314
01:07:39,600 --> 01:07:42,280
Speaker 2: were you were privy to that, getting to watch those games.

1315
01:07:43,080 --> 01:07:46,200
Speaker 1: Over over everything is over there, and yeah, so I'm

1316
01:07:46,480 --> 01:07:48,960
Speaker 1: he's one of my most intriguing guys entering spring training.

1317
01:07:49,240 --> 01:07:49,840
Speaker 1: Uh for sure.

1318
01:07:50,800 --> 01:07:53,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, other guys too. I mean, yeah, Ian Lewis, Jose Salas,

1319
01:07:54,000 --> 01:07:56,160
Speaker 2: all these guys that are coming at the shortstop position.

1320
01:07:56,280 --> 01:07:58,560
Speaker 2: So I mean, if Jazz has a future at that

1321
01:07:58,640 --> 01:08:00,320
Speaker 2: shortstop position. You want to see him show it and

1322
01:08:00,360 --> 01:08:02,760
Speaker 2: you want to see him out pretty quickly. So yeah,

1323
01:08:02,800 --> 01:08:04,600
Speaker 2: if he goes down, if Jazz doesn't winning, he goes

1324
01:08:04,720 --> 01:08:06,920
Speaker 2: down and start and starts playing games at shortstop, I

1325
01:08:06,960 --> 01:08:09,560
Speaker 2: think that's a precursor to seeing that the Marlins want

1326
01:08:09,640 --> 01:08:11,760
Speaker 2: him to be at shortstop and for Isan to be

1327
01:08:11,840 --> 01:08:14,560
Speaker 2: at second base long term. That would be a signifier

1328
01:08:14,640 --> 01:08:18,000
Speaker 2: to me. All right, Uh, we'll get to the last

1329
01:08:18,160 --> 01:08:21,320
Speaker 2: battle and second battle, I should say for the rotation

1330
01:08:22,080 --> 01:08:26,320
Speaker 2: three spots locked officially with Pablo, Sandy and eliasher not

1331
01:08:26,400 --> 01:08:29,400
Speaker 2: in that order, of course, six to uh expected to

1332
01:08:29,520 --> 01:08:32,320
Speaker 2: fully get that fourth spot. You know, got to camp

1333
01:08:32,320 --> 01:08:34,559
Speaker 2: a little late, a couple days late, have some problems

1334
01:08:34,600 --> 01:08:37,599
Speaker 2: there getting back with visas and stuff like that. But yeah,

1335
01:08:37,640 --> 01:08:39,400
Speaker 2: as ob as he stays healthy and stays out there,

1336
01:08:39,439 --> 01:08:41,200
Speaker 2: I definitely think we all agree that he's going to

1337
01:08:41,240 --> 01:08:45,479
Speaker 2: be that fourth guy. But then the fifth guy lots

1338
01:08:45,520 --> 01:08:48,080
Speaker 2: of competition here, guys. We saw a couple of him today,

1339
01:08:48,080 --> 01:08:51,840
Speaker 2: heard from a couple of them today, Dan Castano, Nick Knighter. Uh,

1340
01:08:52,120 --> 01:08:53,920
Speaker 2: you know he got other guys, Trevor Rodgers, who was

1341
01:08:54,000 --> 01:08:57,200
Speaker 2: really impressive last year. So yeah, I mean just to

1342
01:08:57,240 --> 01:08:58,800
Speaker 2: go through a couple of these guys real quick, and

1343
01:08:58,800 --> 01:09:00,960
Speaker 2: then we'll get to who he think is gonna Rogers.

1344
01:09:01,560 --> 01:09:04,040
Speaker 2: Before the nineteen twenty nineteen season, guys, some something that

1345
01:09:04,280 --> 01:09:06,800
Speaker 2: that I really like about him. He didn't really have

1346
01:09:07,200 --> 01:09:09,599
Speaker 2: much of a change up at all. He was actually

1347
01:09:09,680 --> 01:09:13,000
Speaker 2: working on both that pitch and a cutter, and I

1348
01:09:13,080 --> 01:09:15,719
Speaker 2: think he since dropped the cutter for the changeup because

1349
01:09:15,720 --> 01:09:19,080
Speaker 2: the change up just took so many big leaps for him,

1350
01:09:19,760 --> 01:09:22,320
Speaker 2: you know, in place of only playing however many games

1351
01:09:22,360 --> 01:09:25,560
Speaker 2: we play there sixty game season, you know, so to

1352
01:09:25,680 --> 01:09:27,840
Speaker 2: see that level of development for a pitch that he

1353
01:09:28,000 --> 01:09:31,120
Speaker 2: was just starting to build up as early as twenty

1354
01:09:31,240 --> 01:09:33,200
Speaker 2: nineteen to where that pitch has gotten, that pitch was

1355
01:09:33,320 --> 01:09:36,360
Speaker 2: dead nasty. I think when we saw him throw it,

1356
01:09:37,479 --> 01:09:40,599
Speaker 2: you know, to guys, to major league guys. I think

1357
01:09:40,840 --> 01:09:43,400
Speaker 2: that this guy, because of that and because of the

1358
01:09:43,520 --> 01:09:45,400
Speaker 2: amount of control that he was able to show some

1359
01:09:45,600 --> 01:09:47,519
Speaker 2: really great starts to have a little bit of hiccups.

1360
01:09:47,560 --> 01:09:50,240
Speaker 2: But obviously he also adds the facet that he's a lefty,

1361
01:09:50,720 --> 01:09:53,920
Speaker 2: so I think that definitely will add into his favor

1362
01:09:54,200 --> 01:09:57,439
Speaker 2: in winning this job. Really like Trevor, other guys that

1363
01:09:57,560 --> 01:09:59,960
Speaker 2: we mentioned Nick Nider, you know, he's a top fifth

1364
01:10:00,040 --> 01:10:02,679
Speaker 2: team prospect. Got him back in the Deep Gordon trade.

1365
01:10:03,760 --> 01:10:05,559
Speaker 2: I definitely say that Marlins won that trade, by the way,

1366
01:10:05,640 --> 01:10:08,120
Speaker 2: still got Chris Torres sticking around till Robert Douger's moved

1367
01:10:08,120 --> 01:10:10,719
Speaker 2: on for use, but still got two pieces, two quality

1368
01:10:10,760 --> 01:10:14,240
Speaker 2: pieces from that trade here in Miami. So yeah, good

1369
01:10:14,240 --> 01:10:17,400
Speaker 2: to see there. This guy I think is super solid.

1370
01:10:18,640 --> 01:10:21,320
Speaker 2: Big K numbers that twenty eighteen year in double A.

1371
01:10:22,640 --> 01:10:24,360
Speaker 2: I think I had it as one fifty four to

1372
01:10:24,479 --> 01:10:27,960
Speaker 2: thirty one walks to strike out slow walks ratio. So big,

1373
01:10:28,080 --> 01:10:30,320
Speaker 2: big K guy. Love to see it. Good stuff. He's

1374
01:10:30,320 --> 01:10:32,360
Speaker 2: got four pitches, really messages with timing from what I

1375
01:10:32,400 --> 01:10:34,880
Speaker 2: see at a nighter. Really good guy to talk to.

1376
01:10:35,000 --> 01:10:37,200
Speaker 2: He's really faith based, which is also great to see

1377
01:10:37,240 --> 01:10:39,240
Speaker 2: out of players. You know that they're just they're just

1378
01:10:39,280 --> 01:10:42,840
Speaker 2: putting their faith and the superior and just just riding

1379
01:10:42,920 --> 01:10:44,960
Speaker 2: a wave, as we would say in twenty twenty. Right,

1380
01:10:45,040 --> 01:10:47,680
Speaker 2: So yeah, just definitely a guy, easy guy to root

1381
01:10:47,720 --> 01:10:50,559
Speaker 2: for there. Did go through the knee injury Meniscus surg.

1382
01:10:50,720 --> 01:10:53,400
Speaker 2: I think it was so limited time lately for Nick

1383
01:10:53,439 --> 01:10:55,439
Speaker 2: Knighter got into I think four innings with the Marlins

1384
01:10:55,479 --> 01:10:57,840
Speaker 2: out of the bullpen. So another guy there, Cassano. You

1385
01:10:57,880 --> 01:11:01,240
Speaker 2: guys know, I love him, Italian Stallion, older guy, but

1386
01:11:01,439 --> 01:11:04,599
Speaker 2: super solid, just gets out. That's the Castano. So yeah,

1387
01:11:05,160 --> 01:11:06,880
Speaker 2: I could throw another guys as well, but I'll let

1388
01:11:06,920 --> 01:11:09,799
Speaker 2: you guys get a word in here on this. Whoever

1389
01:11:09,840 --> 01:11:11,760
Speaker 2: wants to go first? Who do you guys think here

1390
01:11:12,400 --> 01:11:16,680
Speaker 2: for a fifth starter? I'll dive in.

1391
01:11:16,800 --> 01:11:19,479
Speaker 4: Then I'll dive in, and I'll go first and let

1392
01:11:19,520 --> 01:11:21,080
Speaker 4: the guys with the knowledge really.

1393
01:11:20,960 --> 01:11:21,439
Speaker 2: Pick it up.

1394
01:11:21,560 --> 01:11:24,160
Speaker 3: But please, Pizza Veteran now.

1395
01:11:24,400 --> 01:11:29,479
Speaker 4: No, no, no, no, no, you guys, I think we're

1396
01:11:29,479 --> 01:11:34,080
Speaker 4: looking at this one. I love Trevor Rodgers last year.

1397
01:11:34,400 --> 01:11:36,599
Speaker 4: I love what he did and apart from that one

1398
01:11:36,720 --> 01:11:39,800
Speaker 4: game maybe against the Raise, was it where he was

1399
01:11:40,800 --> 01:11:42,800
Speaker 4: like tipping pictures to the Rays and they blew him

1400
01:11:42,840 --> 01:11:44,439
Speaker 4: up in one of the games, I think, But apart

1401
01:11:44,479 --> 01:11:47,040
Speaker 4: from that, I felt like Rogers was just real solid.

1402
01:11:47,439 --> 01:11:49,000
Speaker 4: And I tell you, the one thing when I think

1403
01:11:49,040 --> 01:11:53,080
Speaker 4: of him I loved is that video in the locker

1404
01:11:53,160 --> 01:11:55,720
Speaker 4: room after a game and there's like breakdancing going on

1405
01:11:55,840 --> 01:11:58,840
Speaker 4: on the floor and whatever, and Trevor's just stood there

1406
01:11:58,960 --> 01:12:02,519
Speaker 4: like what the heck's going on here. It's an awesome clip.

1407
01:12:02,640 --> 01:12:05,000
Speaker 4: Jazz has gone wild. Everyone's going wild, and Trevor's like,

1408
01:12:05,120 --> 01:12:09,000
Speaker 4: what is happening? It was real funny. But listen, I

1409
01:12:09,439 --> 01:12:13,240
Speaker 4: love Trevor the point you made Alex, the fact, you

1410
01:12:13,280 --> 01:12:16,320
Speaker 4: know he's a lefty, he's you know, it's stuff. Please,

1411
01:12:16,720 --> 01:12:20,200
Speaker 4: I look at it. The dude can pitch, he's ready

1412
01:12:20,680 --> 01:12:23,920
Speaker 4: and he's I think he's awesome. I also really like

1413
01:12:24,040 --> 01:12:27,600
Speaker 4: Dan Castano because he's the type of guy that for

1414
01:12:27,720 --> 01:12:31,600
Speaker 4: me summarizes the twenty twenty Marlins COVID outbreak. Guys just

1415
01:12:31,760 --> 01:12:34,599
Speaker 4: dropped in as to do a job and just try

1416
01:12:34,600 --> 01:12:36,479
Speaker 4: and do it well. And for me, Dan Castano was

1417
01:12:36,920 --> 01:12:38,280
Speaker 4: he just that was him.

1418
01:12:38,560 --> 01:12:40,000
Speaker 2: You know, he was just reliable.

1419
01:12:40,720 --> 01:12:43,720
Speaker 4: He didn't shirk from anything, and he did well. And

1420
01:12:43,800 --> 01:12:46,760
Speaker 4: that gift knocking around probably one of Eli's specials where

1421
01:12:46,800 --> 01:12:49,400
Speaker 4: he's given it the old one more, one more again.

1422
01:12:49,439 --> 01:12:52,800
Speaker 4: That summed it up for Dan the man. You know,

1423
01:12:52,920 --> 01:12:57,080
Speaker 4: for me, two great guys I know probably less about Nider.

1424
01:12:57,160 --> 01:12:59,760
Speaker 4: We didn't see neither, I guess as much last year.

1425
01:12:59,840 --> 01:13:02,799
Speaker 4: So from what I've seen for those two other guys,

1426
01:13:03,080 --> 01:13:06,880
Speaker 4: I would see Rogers is probably the favorite there going

1427
01:13:06,920 --> 01:13:10,080
Speaker 4: into into this season. But I'll pass over to the

1428
01:13:10,080 --> 01:13:11,599
Speaker 4: guys who actually know what they're talking about.

1429
01:13:13,760 --> 01:13:20,640
Speaker 3: Yeah, I agree absolutely with Pete. If you look at

1430
01:13:20,800 --> 01:13:23,200
Speaker 3: at Trevor's underlying numbers, I mean, if you look at

1431
01:13:23,240 --> 01:13:29,000
Speaker 3: the ra nothing pretty. But if you look at everything else,

1432
01:13:29,040 --> 01:13:32,160
Speaker 3: I mean that three eighty babbit is it's just it's crazy.

1433
01:13:32,280 --> 01:13:35,160
Speaker 3: You know, it's one game. As Pete said about the tipping,

1434
01:13:36,720 --> 01:13:40,200
Speaker 3: so I don't maybe let remembers, but he interviewed me

1435
01:13:40,320 --> 01:13:42,519
Speaker 3: or we had a you know, a couple of years ago.

1436
01:13:42,560 --> 01:13:44,560
Speaker 3: I think this was before the twenty nineteen season, and

1437
01:13:44,640 --> 01:13:47,160
Speaker 3: he asked me, you know which prospects I was I

1438
01:13:47,240 --> 01:13:49,679
Speaker 3: was low on? Which ones I was high on. Dunan

1439
01:13:49,880 --> 01:13:52,360
Speaker 3: was when I was most low on. So it's good

1440
01:13:52,400 --> 01:13:57,559
Speaker 3: to see him be better. But Trevor Rogers was the one.

1441
01:13:57,560 --> 01:14:00,720
Speaker 3: I said it was higher because everybody saw it was

1442
01:14:00,760 --> 01:14:04,120
Speaker 3: his second season into into the minors and his first season.

1443
01:14:04,200 --> 01:14:06,800
Speaker 3: If you look at the numbers in Greensboro, that's a

1444
01:14:07,479 --> 01:14:11,080
Speaker 3: single A a couple of years ago, horrible numbers. Here's

1445
01:14:11,120 --> 01:14:14,920
Speaker 3: like whoa like five yar a or something like horrible whip.

1446
01:14:15,040 --> 01:14:16,920
Speaker 3: But you look at everything else and it was really

1447
01:14:17,000 --> 01:14:20,800
Speaker 3: good to high k rate obviously extremely unlucky. So I

1448
01:14:20,840 --> 01:14:23,479
Speaker 3: think that's exactly what happened this season. The stuff is there.

1449
01:14:23,720 --> 01:14:25,840
Speaker 3: You know, he knows what he has, he knows what

1450
01:14:26,000 --> 01:14:30,720
Speaker 3: he needs, He has amazing coaches, and I feel it's

1451
01:14:30,760 --> 01:14:34,840
Speaker 3: absolutely his to lose that spot. He's gonna be better.

1452
01:14:35,000 --> 01:14:38,880
Speaker 3: That fastball is crazy, and when he's painting, that's it.

1453
01:14:39,120 --> 01:14:39,599
Speaker 3: You're done.

1454
01:14:41,880 --> 01:14:42,040
Speaker 2: Yeah.

1455
01:14:42,080 --> 01:14:44,560
Speaker 1: In terms of predicting what's going to happen, I have

1456
01:14:45,080 --> 01:14:46,760
Speaker 1: no clue what choice they're going to make. What I

1457
01:14:46,880 --> 01:14:50,200
Speaker 1: know is that if I was in the position, I

1458
01:14:50,240 --> 01:14:54,280
Speaker 1: would my sympathetic heart. I think I would give it

1459
01:14:54,400 --> 01:14:56,600
Speaker 1: to Nick Knighter coming out of the gate because it

1460
01:14:56,800 --> 01:14:59,599
Speaker 1: really bothers me how long he gets to wait, how

1461
01:14:59,720 --> 01:15:01,960
Speaker 1: he's has not started a major league game yet, a

1462
01:15:02,040 --> 01:15:04,320
Speaker 1: guy that was their twenty eighteen Minor League pitcher of

1463
01:15:04,360 --> 01:15:07,080
Speaker 1: the Year and who was at trip LA to start

1464
01:15:07,320 --> 01:15:09,439
Speaker 1: in twenty nineteen. Like two years ago, we were talking

1465
01:15:09,479 --> 01:15:11,200
Speaker 1: about Nidert as a guy that could sneak into the

1466
01:15:11,280 --> 01:15:13,800
Speaker 1: opening day rotation, and then he got that tough luck

1467
01:15:13,840 --> 01:15:16,720
Speaker 1: with the knee injury. By the time he got back,

1468
01:15:16,840 --> 01:15:19,160
Speaker 1: they already had all these other young guys that were

1469
01:15:19,240 --> 01:15:21,960
Speaker 1: really doing pretty well in the major league rotation. He

1470
01:15:22,160 --> 01:15:24,240
Speaker 1: lit it up in the Arizona Fall League to show

1471
01:15:24,320 --> 01:15:28,280
Speaker 1: that man, he's so polished. You mentioned the four pitch

1472
01:15:28,360 --> 01:15:32,120
Speaker 1: mix he has and the fact that he could command

1473
01:15:32,280 --> 01:15:34,880
Speaker 1: so well on top of that that I personally, I

1474
01:15:35,080 --> 01:15:38,560
Speaker 1: really like his long term outlook and I think he

1475
01:15:38,640 --> 01:15:41,400
Speaker 1: could help right now. And it just irks me that

1476
01:15:41,520 --> 01:15:43,719
Speaker 1: he did make the Majors last year, and he did debut,

1477
01:15:43,880 --> 01:15:46,600
Speaker 1: but that's not the role that he was envisioned for.

1478
01:15:46,840 --> 01:15:49,160
Speaker 1: He's in envisioned for a guy that I think you'd

1479
01:15:49,200 --> 01:15:52,080
Speaker 1: really love to have in the middle of your rotation someday.

1480
01:15:53,080 --> 01:15:58,160
Speaker 1: In terms of my best guess, I could tell that

1481
01:15:58,840 --> 01:16:02,880
Speaker 1: maddingly really appreciates what Castano did last year, and I

1482
01:16:02,920 --> 01:16:07,680
Speaker 1: think everybody's impressive what Castano did last year. The circumstances

1483
01:16:07,720 --> 01:16:09,920
Speaker 1: in which he started games, a lot of double header games,

1484
01:16:10,040 --> 01:16:14,200
Speaker 1: a lot of not much time in between his starts,

1485
01:16:15,160 --> 01:16:19,080
Speaker 1: just really a really terrible schedule for him. Like he

1486
01:16:19,200 --> 01:16:21,560
Speaker 1: was pitching on like seven days rest or he was

1487
01:16:21,640 --> 01:16:24,599
Speaker 1: on their taxi squad in between appearances, Like he wasn't

1488
01:16:24,760 --> 01:16:27,920
Speaker 1: getting as much time at the alternate site even when

1489
01:16:27,960 --> 01:16:30,200
Speaker 1: he was technically optioned down to the alternate side, he

1490
01:16:30,240 --> 01:16:33,200
Speaker 1: wasn't actually getting any sort of normal environment to stay

1491
01:16:33,280 --> 01:16:36,559
Speaker 1: loose and to develop that under the circumstances for him

1492
01:16:36,600 --> 01:16:39,439
Speaker 1: to post bottom line numbers that were actually pretty similar

1493
01:16:39,560 --> 01:16:42,080
Speaker 1: to six DOS numbers last year in terms of the endings,

1494
01:16:42,120 --> 01:16:45,040
Speaker 1: in terms of the era, in terms of the whip,

1495
01:16:45,200 --> 01:16:48,599
Speaker 1: even the similarities I thought were amusing. That being said,

1496
01:16:48,640 --> 01:16:51,439
Speaker 1: he's kind of like a reverse Rogers where the underlying

1497
01:16:51,479 --> 01:16:54,360
Speaker 1: stats paint a totally different picture. Whereas we see a

1498
01:16:54,360 --> 01:16:56,320
Speaker 1: guy like Rogers and what he showed. The reason why

1499
01:16:56,360 --> 01:16:59,960
Speaker 1: we're so excited about him despite the inflated era is yeah,

1500
01:17:00,120 --> 01:17:02,360
Speaker 1: just because of the pure stuff and because of the

1501
01:17:02,479 --> 01:17:05,759
Speaker 1: picture independent numbers, and those are in reverse. For Castano,

1502
01:17:05,880 --> 01:17:09,720
Speaker 1: like his expected era was his actual era was in

1503
01:17:09,760 --> 01:17:11,920
Speaker 1: the low threes. Is expected era was in like the

1504
01:17:12,040 --> 01:17:16,760
Speaker 1: mid fives according to stat cast. So with him, I think,

1505
01:17:16,840 --> 01:17:20,040
Speaker 1: I think long term, the organization might have enough foresight

1506
01:17:20,479 --> 01:17:23,639
Speaker 1: to understand that he should be probably a lower priority

1507
01:17:23,760 --> 01:17:27,680
Speaker 1: than those other guys we mentioned. But the rhyme or

1508
01:17:27,720 --> 01:17:29,560
Speaker 1: reason to making this choice out of spring training, I

1509
01:17:29,640 --> 01:17:31,960
Speaker 1: have no clue. Because this is a situation coming off

1510
01:17:31,960 --> 01:17:33,960
Speaker 1: a short in gear where I think all these individual

1511
01:17:34,040 --> 01:17:36,880
Speaker 1: pitchers are over the course of a season, their endings

1512
01:17:36,920 --> 01:17:40,800
Speaker 1: are going to be managed pretty carefully. Castano, I guess,

1513
01:17:40,880 --> 01:17:43,000
Speaker 1: being the oldest of them all and the fact that

1514
01:17:43,200 --> 01:17:45,479
Speaker 1: they I guess, the fact that they have the least

1515
01:17:45,520 --> 01:17:47,920
Speaker 1: invested in him could work to his advantage in terms

1516
01:17:47,920 --> 01:17:50,960
Speaker 1: of gaining this opportunity out of the shoot. That would

1517
01:17:50,960 --> 01:17:52,760
Speaker 1: be my best guess in terms of who actually wins

1518
01:17:52,760 --> 01:17:56,880
Speaker 1: the job out of spring training, and I guess a

1519
01:17:56,960 --> 01:17:58,760
Speaker 1: nice feather in his cap that he's starting the first

1520
01:17:58,920 --> 01:18:02,439
Speaker 1: spring training game. In terms of what that actually means,

1521
01:18:02,479 --> 01:18:04,760
Speaker 1: that might not mean anything, but we're gonna find out

1522
01:18:04,760 --> 01:18:07,920
Speaker 1: pretty soon in terms of what he looks like turning

1523
01:18:07,960 --> 01:18:10,160
Speaker 1: into this new year. If whatever mojo he had last

1524
01:18:10,240 --> 01:18:12,840
Speaker 1: year that carries over, it would be a great story

1525
01:18:13,000 --> 01:18:15,240
Speaker 1: because he's someone that I think we all root for

1526
01:18:15,439 --> 01:18:20,240
Speaker 1: and we're all pretty really amused by how he fit

1527
01:18:20,320 --> 01:18:22,960
Speaker 1: into that clubhouse last year and the kind of difficult

1528
01:18:23,000 --> 01:18:26,680
Speaker 1: circumstances he faced, and he really thrived under those situations.

1529
01:18:28,560 --> 01:18:31,800
Speaker 2: Yeah, you hit it perfectly. I just stating that whatever

1530
01:18:31,880 --> 01:18:34,400
Speaker 2: he was asked to do, he did it, and hearing

1531
01:18:34,479 --> 01:18:36,400
Speaker 2: him talk today, that's exactly what he said. He doesn't

1532
01:18:36,439 --> 01:18:39,080
Speaker 2: care if he's called upon to start relieve, he even

1533
01:18:39,120 --> 01:18:42,920
Speaker 2: sad close. You know, he's he's gonna do the job.

1534
01:18:42,960 --> 01:18:44,519
Speaker 2: He's gonna tack the ball, he's gonna go out there

1535
01:18:44,520 --> 01:18:45,960
Speaker 2: and throw the ball, and he's he's gonna do what

1536
01:18:46,040 --> 01:18:49,840
Speaker 2: he does. And yeah, the stats on him again, he

1537
01:18:49,920 --> 01:18:53,599
Speaker 2: said it with the fielder independent stats, definitely true. Rogers

1538
01:18:53,760 --> 01:18:58,479
Speaker 2: had those stats in his favorite. Casano not really, So yeah,

1539
01:18:59,400 --> 01:19:02,000
Speaker 2: what do I think? And again we said it's wide open.

1540
01:19:02,320 --> 01:19:04,120
Speaker 2: Any three of these guys, I mean, maybe even Paul

1541
01:19:04,200 --> 01:19:07,479
Speaker 2: Campbell comes in and maybe presses and obviously roll five,

1542
01:19:07,560 --> 01:19:10,000
Speaker 2: so you know, see what happens with him as well.

1543
01:19:10,240 --> 01:19:12,840
Speaker 2: This guy I didn't mention yet, but if I'm looking

1544
01:19:12,840 --> 01:19:15,960
Speaker 2: at it now, if I have to make a prediction,

1545
01:19:16,160 --> 01:19:19,960
Speaker 2: and it's it's tough because, like we said, every each

1546
01:19:20,000 --> 01:19:23,000
Speaker 2: one of these guys bring something different. So I'm also

1547
01:19:23,040 --> 01:19:27,280
Speaker 2: gonna go Castano as my guests, and I'm gonna say

1548
01:19:27,320 --> 01:19:29,840
Speaker 2: it based off what Eli already said. You know, he's old,

1549
01:19:29,920 --> 01:19:32,120
Speaker 2: he's the oldest guy that we got. We don't have

1550
01:19:32,520 --> 01:19:35,360
Speaker 2: a lot riding on him in terms of you know

1551
01:19:35,520 --> 01:19:37,840
Speaker 2: what we gave up for him or you know where

1552
01:19:37,920 --> 01:19:40,880
Speaker 2: we placed him on our top prospects lists or anything

1553
01:19:40,920 --> 01:19:43,000
Speaker 2: like that. Even though something Daniel pointed out to me,

1554
01:19:43,479 --> 01:19:47,599
Speaker 2: I think it's Baseball America has Castano in like top

1555
01:19:47,680 --> 01:19:51,400
Speaker 2: thirty in the system, so it's it's crazy, like, yeah,

1556
01:19:51,479 --> 01:19:53,280
Speaker 2: last season, if you were to say, yeah, Dan Castano

1557
01:19:53,320 --> 01:19:55,240
Speaker 2: is a top thirty prospect and the Marlins system people

1558
01:19:55,240 --> 01:19:56,360
Speaker 2: were to look at you like you're crazy.

1559
01:19:56,760 --> 01:20:00,280
Speaker 1: So number twenty six, not even at the bottom. He's

1560
01:20:00,320 --> 01:20:02,599
Speaker 1: got some rooms, but I think he's above Victor Junior,

1561
01:20:02,840 --> 01:20:06,840
Speaker 1: of Victor Mason Junior, above Will Banfield's out the double Chick.

1562
01:20:07,080 --> 01:20:09,439
Speaker 1: The list that surprised me, and I think it's I mean,

1563
01:20:09,479 --> 01:20:11,040
Speaker 1: it's a fair opinion to have of him.

1564
01:20:12,120 --> 01:20:14,720
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean the thing about him, it's another guy

1565
01:20:14,720 --> 01:20:17,840
Speaker 2: that just gets out. I said that before ground ball

1566
01:20:17,960 --> 01:20:20,400
Speaker 2: rate in the minor leagues was around sixty percent. I mean,

1567
01:20:20,560 --> 01:20:22,960
Speaker 2: you know, he just goes out. He limits his pitch counts.

1568
01:20:23,840 --> 01:20:25,519
Speaker 2: You know, he can get deep into games. He's not

1569
01:20:25,560 --> 01:20:27,840
Speaker 2: going to overpower anybody, but he has that good ground

1570
01:20:27,880 --> 01:20:31,080
Speaker 2: ball stuff. He's got three pitches. I like him. He's

1571
01:20:31,080 --> 01:20:33,840
Speaker 2: a late bloomer. He's twenty six. You know, he's got

1572
01:20:33,880 --> 01:20:37,080
Speaker 2: that lefty back end, lefty starter. I like it, you know.

1573
01:20:37,160 --> 01:20:40,640
Speaker 2: I mean, guys, I think I think if I had

1574
01:20:40,680 --> 01:20:42,800
Speaker 2: to guess today as we head into a full squad

1575
01:20:42,840 --> 01:20:45,080
Speaker 2: workouts tomorrow, and Eli of course said he gets the

1576
01:20:45,120 --> 01:20:47,680
Speaker 2: ball first in spring training, like that precursor there as well.

1577
01:20:47,760 --> 01:20:50,400
Speaker 2: Maybe it means nothing, who knows, but you know, good

1578
01:20:50,439 --> 01:20:51,639
Speaker 2: to see that we're going to get a good look

1579
01:20:51,640 --> 01:20:54,320
Speaker 2: at this guy. And you know he was trusted last

1580
01:20:54,360 --> 01:20:55,760
Speaker 2: year and I think we can trust him again this year.

1581
01:20:55,800 --> 01:21:01,200
Speaker 2: So can styal for me? All Right, I'm gonna go

1582
01:21:01,240 --> 01:21:04,280
Speaker 2: to one final full length question and then we'll get

1583
01:21:04,320 --> 01:21:07,400
Speaker 2: to the quick fire around before we go. And we

1584
01:21:07,520 --> 01:21:09,160
Speaker 2: kind of already hit on this one before, but I

1585
01:21:09,320 --> 01:21:11,280
Speaker 2: just want to bring more attention to it because this

1586
01:21:11,439 --> 01:21:14,680
Speaker 2: was the talk of the off season here and I

1587
01:21:14,840 --> 01:21:16,479
Speaker 2: kind of already know what Pete answer is going to be.

1588
01:21:16,600 --> 01:21:17,920
Speaker 2: I know what you guys answer is going to be,

1589
01:21:17,960 --> 01:21:19,479
Speaker 2: but we'll let him have at it. Anyways, we already

1590
01:21:19,520 --> 01:21:20,479
Speaker 2: kind of hit on it a little bit, but I

1591
01:21:20,520 --> 01:21:22,680
Speaker 2: do want to mention it. It's just gonna be a

1592
01:21:22,800 --> 01:21:26,519
Speaker 2: quick question on the guy you think has come to

1593
01:21:26,720 --> 01:21:28,760
Speaker 2: the Marlins, either be a free agency or a trade

1594
01:21:29,000 --> 01:21:31,080
Speaker 2: that you think is going to be the biggest producer

1595
01:21:31,200 --> 01:21:34,000
Speaker 2: for them this year at any position, and the guy

1596
01:21:34,040 --> 01:21:36,200
Speaker 2: that we lost to another team that you think is

1597
01:21:36,200 --> 01:21:38,080
Speaker 2: going to hurt the most. So whoever wants to go

1598
01:21:38,160 --> 01:21:38,840
Speaker 2: for it, go ahead.

1599
01:21:41,479 --> 01:21:44,519
Speaker 1: I'll give this a try. I mean, I guess the

1600
01:21:44,640 --> 01:21:46,560
Speaker 1: underwhelming part of this offseason is that most of the

1601
01:21:46,640 --> 01:21:52,280
Speaker 1: newcomers are relievers. So it is only so much of

1602
01:21:52,320 --> 01:21:54,920
Speaker 1: a ceiling that you could get from those guys in

1603
01:21:55,080 --> 01:21:57,160
Speaker 1: terms of how they contribute over the course the whole year.

1604
01:21:58,360 --> 01:22:01,600
Speaker 1: But I yeah, with the I guess somewhat of the

1605
01:22:01,680 --> 01:22:03,960
Speaker 1: dark horse, I'll go with John Curtis says, the guy

1606
01:22:04,000 --> 01:22:06,880
Speaker 1: that's gonna make the biggest impact. I really liked what

1607
01:22:07,000 --> 01:22:10,320
Speaker 1: he did last year, A small sample someone that I'll

1608
01:22:10,360 --> 01:22:12,760
Speaker 1: admit it. I mean, Pete was pretty honest about this,

1609
01:22:12,840 --> 01:22:14,479
Speaker 1: and I was right in the same boat that I

1610
01:22:14,560 --> 01:22:17,040
Speaker 1: had no clue who this guy was until they got him.

1611
01:22:17,160 --> 01:22:19,280
Speaker 1: Like I was watching him in the playoffs, but I

1612
01:22:19,360 --> 01:22:21,519
Speaker 1: wasn't really watching him. I was just watching the rays.

1613
01:22:21,640 --> 01:22:25,080
Speaker 1: Tried out anonymous picture after anonymous picture, like, I don't

1614
01:22:25,240 --> 01:22:28,559
Speaker 1: have any specific memories of watching him live during those games,

1615
01:22:28,600 --> 01:22:33,120
Speaker 1: even though I did so that thing said, I can't

1616
01:22:33,160 --> 01:22:36,000
Speaker 1: say that I have been a long time proponent of him,

1617
01:22:36,400 --> 01:22:39,160
Speaker 1: but just digging into what he did and his track

1618
01:22:39,240 --> 01:22:42,040
Speaker 1: record even beyond that, and some of the intangibles at play,

1619
01:22:42,520 --> 01:22:44,519
Speaker 1: where this was a guy that really could have broken

1620
01:22:44,600 --> 01:22:47,360
Speaker 1: through much earlier than he did, even before twenty twenty,

1621
01:22:48,120 --> 01:22:49,760
Speaker 1: just based on the quality of the stuff that he

1622
01:22:49,880 --> 01:22:52,880
Speaker 1: had and some of the other God given gifts that

1623
01:22:52,960 --> 01:22:56,400
Speaker 1: he has that I really liked his upside and one

1624
01:22:56,439 --> 01:22:59,840
Speaker 1: thing that he did that was at his disadvantage last year.

1625
01:23:00,200 --> 01:23:02,880
Speaker 1: His success is see with someone that wasn't getting ahead

1626
01:23:02,880 --> 01:23:05,120
Speaker 1: in the count he was a guy that threw a

1627
01:23:05,160 --> 01:23:07,920
Speaker 1: lot of strikes, but not on the first pitch of

1628
01:23:08,040 --> 01:23:10,680
Speaker 1: a played appearance, and it's his first pitch. Strikerrate was

1629
01:23:10,880 --> 01:23:12,960
Speaker 1: super low, even when comparing him to a lot of

1630
01:23:13,040 --> 01:23:16,560
Speaker 1: mediocre pitchers, and that's something that I would expect to

1631
01:23:17,000 --> 01:23:19,320
Speaker 1: normalize a little bit. He'll get himself in better counts.

1632
01:23:20,320 --> 01:23:22,080
Speaker 1: And that being said, even when he was falling behind

1633
01:23:22,120 --> 01:23:24,360
Speaker 1: in counts last year, he was not walking anybody, only

1634
01:23:24,479 --> 01:23:28,080
Speaker 1: three walks during the regular season. If he's throwing a

1635
01:23:28,120 --> 01:23:31,600
Speaker 1: little bit more in advantageous counts, if he's getting that

1636
01:23:31,680 --> 01:23:34,200
Speaker 1: first pitch strike, I think he'll be even better. And

1637
01:23:34,439 --> 01:23:37,839
Speaker 1: so I'm feeling pretty optimistic about him, about him eventually

1638
01:23:38,200 --> 01:23:41,040
Speaker 1: being possibly the closer on this team. I think he

1639
01:23:41,080 --> 01:23:43,559
Speaker 1: could rise up the ranks pretty quickly. I feel good

1640
01:23:43,560 --> 01:23:47,479
Speaker 1: about him. The departure that I'm most bothered by is

1641
01:23:48,040 --> 01:23:51,400
Speaker 1: on a personal level, as Harold Ramirez that Harold, I

1642
01:23:53,000 --> 01:23:55,160
Speaker 1: loved what he did in twenty nineteen, not just the

1643
01:23:55,439 --> 01:23:59,640
Speaker 1: actual raw production, but the contextual performance. How clutch he was,

1644
01:24:00,479 --> 01:24:02,639
Speaker 1: authoring some of the biggest hits they had all year,

1645
01:24:02,720 --> 01:24:04,720
Speaker 1: making some of the biggest catches they had all year

1646
01:24:04,720 --> 01:24:08,840
Speaker 1: as a rookie too, even though well documented defensive limitations

1647
01:24:08,880 --> 01:24:12,040
Speaker 1: that he has. So it's unfortunate he's gone. I really

1648
01:24:12,360 --> 01:24:15,559
Speaker 1: I had a whole podcast about Harold I guess last week,

1649
01:24:16,080 --> 01:24:18,360
Speaker 1: a full half an hour where I spoke about him specifically,

1650
01:24:18,760 --> 01:24:21,200
Speaker 1: where I understand the move. I think it's a defensible

1651
01:24:21,280 --> 01:24:24,280
Speaker 1: move that, based on the roster they built around him,

1652
01:24:24,560 --> 01:24:27,439
Speaker 1: that he doesn't really fit if there's no designated hitter

1653
01:24:27,880 --> 01:24:29,680
Speaker 1: this year, if he has nothing left to prove in

1654
01:24:29,720 --> 01:24:32,280
Speaker 1: the miners, that I understand getting rid of him. So

1655
01:24:32,560 --> 01:24:35,000
Speaker 1: I don't really necessarily see that as bad move. But

1656
01:24:35,080 --> 01:24:39,080
Speaker 1: it's gonna be unfortunate to see him gone. I guess

1657
01:24:39,160 --> 01:24:41,080
Speaker 1: other than that, I mean, the Marlins are really lucky

1658
01:24:41,280 --> 01:24:43,400
Speaker 1: this past year that they just didn't lose a whole

1659
01:24:43,439 --> 01:24:47,519
Speaker 1: lot in free agency other than Brandon Kinsler, and I

1660
01:24:47,560 --> 01:24:49,479
Speaker 1: guess one of you guys could talk Aboutkinceler a little

1661
01:24:49,479 --> 01:24:52,360
Speaker 1: bit more, even though we touched on him already. I'll

1662
01:24:52,439 --> 01:24:54,280
Speaker 1: just say that Harold is the one I missed the

1663
01:24:54,360 --> 01:24:58,519
Speaker 1: most in terms of on personal level, all the gifts

1664
01:24:58,560 --> 01:25:01,200
Speaker 1: that he inspired in our fist strike Skift database that

1665
01:25:01,439 --> 01:25:04,240
Speaker 1: he was really pulling his weight, and then some with

1666
01:25:04,560 --> 01:25:08,960
Speaker 1: starring in those moments that are timeless. So it's unfortunate

1667
01:25:09,040 --> 01:25:10,720
Speaker 1: that he's gone. He was a nice success story. The

1668
01:25:10,760 --> 01:25:12,960
Speaker 1: fact that they brought him in on a minor league deal.

1669
01:25:13,960 --> 01:25:16,479
Speaker 1: I just share all the sentiments echoing what you guys

1670
01:25:16,520 --> 01:25:18,519
Speaker 1: said before that were just hoping he doesn't land with

1671
01:25:18,680 --> 01:25:21,439
Speaker 1: a rival team in the NL least just go thrive

1672
01:25:21,520 --> 01:25:22,160
Speaker 1: anywhere else.

1673
01:25:22,479 --> 01:25:23,400
Speaker 2: I'll be happy.

1674
01:25:26,240 --> 01:25:30,960
Speaker 3: For me. I'd say, anybody who has a possibility of

1675
01:25:32,200 --> 01:25:35,479
Speaker 3: giving us thirty plus home runs, that's that's going to

1676
01:25:35,520 --> 01:25:37,560
Speaker 3: be the best edition for me. So yeah, I'll go

1677
01:25:37,600 --> 01:25:43,240
Speaker 3: with Duball. You know, we've all seen what he's done

1678
01:25:43,280 --> 01:25:47,400
Speaker 3: to us as a as an Atlanta Braves. So whatever

1679
01:25:47,840 --> 01:25:51,160
Speaker 3: he can bring in favor of us, we'll take it.

1680
01:25:51,640 --> 01:25:54,600
Speaker 3: So I'll go with him. And yeah, the one that

1681
01:25:54,720 --> 01:25:57,160
Speaker 3: hurt the most. You already heard me rant about it

1682
01:25:57,800 --> 01:25:58,760
Speaker 3: fifteen minutes ago.

1683
01:25:58,920 --> 01:26:04,880
Speaker 4: It's Harold, all right, I better round it off. Then, Hey,

1684
01:26:06,600 --> 01:26:10,920
Speaker 4: the one the acquisition, I think bass is going to

1685
01:26:10,960 --> 01:26:15,639
Speaker 4: be the one that's most productive. Actually, I think he's

1686
01:26:15,680 --> 01:26:19,240
Speaker 4: going to get the shot to close straight out the gate.

1687
01:26:20,000 --> 01:26:22,519
Speaker 4: I feel just because he's done it more than anyone.

1688
01:26:22,960 --> 01:26:25,280
Speaker 4: It's kind of how Donnie rolls, where he'll just plug

1689
01:26:25,360 --> 01:26:27,800
Speaker 4: him in and if it doesn't work, it doesn't work.

1690
01:26:27,840 --> 01:26:30,880
Speaker 4: I mean, it's not like he's got a huge record

1691
01:26:30,960 --> 01:26:33,760
Speaker 4: of closing games, but he did it last year in

1692
01:26:34,040 --> 01:26:38,479
Speaker 4: parts for the Blue Jays. So if he gets in

1693
01:26:38,600 --> 01:26:41,040
Speaker 4: and he delivers, then he'll be closing for the Marlins.

1694
01:26:41,080 --> 01:26:43,479
Speaker 4: And what does that mean. Well, I think the Marlins

1695
01:26:43,479 --> 01:26:46,360
Speaker 4: will will win over seventy games, so by the end

1696
01:26:46,400 --> 01:26:48,799
Speaker 4: of the year, I think he'd have had a good season.

1697
01:26:49,720 --> 01:26:53,200
Speaker 4: I'm intrigued about Duval, but I could see how that

1698
01:26:53,240 --> 01:26:56,080
Speaker 4: could go wrong very quick and could end up looking mediocre.

1699
01:26:56,400 --> 01:26:57,479
Speaker 4: But we'll see.

1700
01:26:57,840 --> 01:26:58,599
Speaker 2: I like the addition.

1701
01:26:58,680 --> 01:27:01,360
Speaker 4: I like the upside but we'll see we saw a

1702
01:27:01,400 --> 01:27:05,280
Speaker 4: lot of him mashing us and the guy the one leaving.

1703
01:27:05,479 --> 01:27:08,519
Speaker 4: As I've already mentioned Kinseler, And just to mention this

1704
01:27:09,600 --> 01:27:14,280
Speaker 4: huge plums element that Eli touched upon earlier on in

1705
01:27:14,360 --> 01:27:16,840
Speaker 4: the show, that that actually came when we were doing

1706
01:27:16,880 --> 01:27:20,679
Speaker 4: our UK broadcast where we were commentating on Games Live,

1707
01:27:21,240 --> 01:27:23,240
Speaker 4: and it was that that game if you recall the

1708
01:27:23,360 --> 01:27:29,200
Speaker 4: Nats game where the video feed cut right at the end,

1709
01:27:29,400 --> 01:27:32,800
Speaker 4: right at the final couple of outs, and Kinsler was

1710
01:27:32,840 --> 01:27:35,280
Speaker 4: pitching to try and close it out against the Nats,

1711
01:27:35,280 --> 01:27:36,719
Speaker 4: and I think there was maybe a couple of running,

1712
01:27:36,760 --> 01:27:40,599
Speaker 4: maybe even bases loaded from memory. Anyway, the video went off,

1713
01:27:41,479 --> 01:27:43,960
Speaker 4: no one knew what was happening. All we then saw

1714
01:27:44,120 --> 01:27:46,439
Speaker 4: was that the Marlins had won and Kinseller had shut

1715
01:27:46,479 --> 01:27:49,200
Speaker 4: them down and the Marlins had closed it out. So

1716
01:27:49,280 --> 01:27:52,040
Speaker 4: that kind of got me very excited and started shouting

1717
01:27:52,080 --> 01:27:56,120
Speaker 4: all sorts of like huge plums from Brandon Kinseler, which

1718
01:27:56,920 --> 01:28:01,120
Speaker 4: in UK terminology means big balls just any anyone who's

1719
01:28:01,120 --> 01:28:01,519
Speaker 4: one drink.

1720
01:28:03,800 --> 01:28:05,960
Speaker 1: Make sure that people know to get their huge Plum

1721
01:28:06,120 --> 01:28:09,800
Speaker 1: shirt or dozens of other designs. Marlin's UK store on

1722
01:28:09,960 --> 01:28:12,839
Speaker 1: t Spring is a great selection. I have my Marlins

1723
01:28:12,840 --> 01:28:15,760
Speaker 1: Twitter shirt somewhere in here as well. From that.

1724
01:28:17,880 --> 01:28:22,120
Speaker 2: Put together, I already plan on getting my APPA with

1725
01:28:22,160 --> 01:28:24,519
Speaker 2: the Bappo shirt next time I get paid. Actually, so

1726
01:28:25,160 --> 01:28:26,800
Speaker 2: once the rent is paid, that's next time. I list

1727
01:28:26,840 --> 01:28:30,360
Speaker 2: Pete your next on the list after after my rent u.

1728
01:28:30,760 --> 01:28:32,840
Speaker 2: I'll give you guys mind uh you guys all went

1729
01:28:33,240 --> 01:28:35,240
Speaker 2: we kind of already hit on this before, but again,

1730
01:28:35,400 --> 01:28:37,640
Speaker 2: since you know, it was just the biggest story of

1731
01:28:37,720 --> 01:28:40,280
Speaker 2: the offseason with the activity that the Marlins had, I

1732
01:28:40,400 --> 01:28:42,519
Speaker 2: wanted to put a pinpoint on it. So I'll give

1733
01:28:42,520 --> 01:28:48,040
Speaker 2: you guys my my biggest my biggest acquisition for the Marlins. Again,

1734
01:28:48,160 --> 01:28:50,160
Speaker 2: as I mentioned, a lot of these guys were were

1735
01:28:50,200 --> 01:28:53,400
Speaker 2: bullpen guys, but for me, it's it's another bullpen guy.

1736
01:28:53,479 --> 01:28:58,439
Speaker 2: I'll say it's dyin Flora. This guy, Uh, you go

1737
01:28:58,520 --> 01:29:00,400
Speaker 2: look at his fangrass page. I was looking at it

1738
01:29:00,439 --> 01:29:02,479
Speaker 2: a little bit ago. Some things I got from it

1739
01:29:02,640 --> 01:29:06,240
Speaker 2: are the are this. I'll just recite the statute that

1740
01:29:06,280 --> 01:29:10,320
Speaker 2: I found that really really makes me like him. I'll

1741
01:29:10,320 --> 01:29:12,880
Speaker 2: go to exit velocities. First, average exit velocities for this

1742
01:29:13,000 --> 01:29:18,880
Speaker 2: guy in twenty nineteen eighty eight down to eighty seven

1743
01:29:19,080 --> 01:29:22,320
Speaker 2: in twenty twenty back in twenty seventeen at eighty six.

1744
01:29:22,560 --> 01:29:25,000
Speaker 2: So the guy doesn't give up hard contact very often, right,

1745
01:29:26,080 --> 01:29:28,200
Speaker 2: you know, obviously last year was shortened, he still got

1746
01:29:28,280 --> 01:29:32,560
Speaker 2: in twenty four innings ERA solid fip right there with

1747
01:29:32,680 --> 01:29:35,200
Speaker 2: it two point sixty six. Did have a slightly higher

1748
01:29:35,240 --> 01:29:39,080
Speaker 2: ERA twenty nineteen it was four point two are somewhere thereabouts,

1749
01:29:39,280 --> 01:29:41,880
Speaker 2: but the FIP was down to three point five, and

1750
01:29:41,960 --> 01:29:43,960
Speaker 2: then again in twenty eighteen. Is with two teams, I'm

1751
01:29:44,000 --> 01:29:46,600
Speaker 2: two point two five ERA three point way fit. So

1752
01:29:46,760 --> 01:29:48,479
Speaker 2: it's just a guy that continues to go out there

1753
01:29:48,520 --> 01:29:51,240
Speaker 2: and get outs. Another thing, I'll say, every every single

1754
01:29:51,320 --> 01:29:53,600
Speaker 2: season of his major league career so far he's had

1755
01:29:53,640 --> 01:29:56,360
Speaker 2: ground ball rates over fifty percent. So it's a guy

1756
01:29:56,439 --> 01:29:58,280
Speaker 2: that just goes out there and gets out in different ways.

1757
01:29:58,520 --> 01:30:00,880
Speaker 2: He can definitely shrike guys out, got a really good

1758
01:30:01,000 --> 01:30:03,280
Speaker 2: change up, and then also he can induce so his

1759
01:30:03,360 --> 01:30:04,680
Speaker 2: ground ball. So I think this is a guy you

1760
01:30:04,720 --> 01:30:08,639
Speaker 2: could see in a variety of different different roles. Definitely

1761
01:30:08,720 --> 01:30:10,960
Speaker 2: late relief, Definitely high leverage where you know, maybe a

1762
01:30:11,040 --> 01:30:13,320
Speaker 2: starter struggled and you know the bases are loaded, and

1763
01:30:13,360 --> 01:30:14,840
Speaker 2: who do you want to have is that one guy

1764
01:30:15,000 --> 01:30:17,320
Speaker 2: like a Brandon Kinsler who could come in and relied

1765
01:30:17,360 --> 01:30:19,479
Speaker 2: upon to get that ground ball out or just get

1766
01:30:19,520 --> 01:30:21,799
Speaker 2: the guy out in any way possible. I like Dylan Floro,

1767
01:30:22,240 --> 01:30:24,080
Speaker 2: so I think he's going to be the biggest guy

1768
01:30:24,240 --> 01:30:27,160
Speaker 2: for the Marlins in terms of production this coming season.

1769
01:30:28,160 --> 01:30:31,400
Speaker 2: Really like him. Obviously also pitching the World Series one

1770
01:30:31,439 --> 01:30:33,240
Speaker 2: A title can't say enough about that? What's that going

1771
01:30:33,320 --> 01:30:35,160
Speaker 2: to bring the clubhouse? This guy's been there, he's done it,

1772
01:30:35,600 --> 01:30:38,519
Speaker 2: so got the ring to prove it right. So yeah,

1773
01:30:38,680 --> 01:30:41,200
Speaker 2: I mean Floro for a variety of reasons. For me,

1774
01:30:41,400 --> 01:30:43,559
Speaker 2: is my guy. Really like him. I loved that trade.

1775
01:30:43,600 --> 01:30:46,599
Speaker 2: I did not like losing alex Vestia, but I mean

1776
01:30:46,760 --> 01:30:48,840
Speaker 2: to get something, you have to give something up. I

1777
01:30:48,920 --> 01:30:51,880
Speaker 2: think Vessi is awesome. Eli disagrees with me on this,

1778
01:30:52,120 --> 01:30:56,040
Speaker 2: but I like the fact that him and the other

1779
01:30:56,080 --> 01:30:58,599
Speaker 2: piece of that trade at Cay Hurt are going back home.

1780
01:30:58,720 --> 01:31:01,160
Speaker 2: You know, I think that that's big for them. Eli

1781
01:31:01,200 --> 01:31:02,840
Speaker 2: doesn't agree with me. I think it's big for them

1782
01:31:03,160 --> 01:31:06,679
Speaker 2: because you hear uh, you hear we heard Vesia talk

1783
01:31:08,120 --> 01:31:11,160
Speaker 2: when we got to talk to him back in spring training. Uh.

1784
01:31:11,320 --> 01:31:13,200
Speaker 2: I believe I believe it was last season before we

1785
01:31:13,240 --> 01:31:17,800
Speaker 2: got shut out. You know, he calls his parents and

1786
01:31:17,920 --> 01:31:20,320
Speaker 2: his college coaches after every one of his outings just

1787
01:31:20,400 --> 01:31:23,120
Speaker 2: to like break it down with them. So he's gonna

1788
01:31:23,160 --> 01:31:25,720
Speaker 2: be no longer having to assume those guys or call

1789
01:31:25,800 --> 01:31:27,680
Speaker 2: those guys. He's going to be right next to them.

1790
01:31:27,720 --> 01:31:28,960
Speaker 2: They're going to be, you know, able to give him

1791
01:31:28,960 --> 01:31:31,120
Speaker 2: advice right there and actually watch him, you know, maybe

1792
01:31:31,160 --> 01:31:33,240
Speaker 2: throw a bullpen at home or something like that. I

1793
01:31:33,360 --> 01:31:35,240
Speaker 2: think stuff like that for a guy going back home

1794
01:31:35,320 --> 01:31:38,000
Speaker 2: to pitch for Vessia who's at big point in his career,

1795
01:31:38,600 --> 01:31:40,360
Speaker 2: I think where he's right on the cusps and has

1796
01:31:40,360 --> 01:31:41,800
Speaker 2: already you know, has already been in the majors, but

1797
01:31:42,000 --> 01:31:44,320
Speaker 2: is ready to be a full time major leaguer. Obviously

1798
01:31:44,400 --> 01:31:48,240
Speaker 2: joins a great system to with Dodgers, So happy for him.

1799
01:31:48,439 --> 01:31:50,840
Speaker 2: Super cool to see. I just wanted to mention that

1800
01:31:50,960 --> 01:31:54,160
Speaker 2: on them. Wish alex And and Kyle best of course,

1801
01:31:55,360 --> 01:31:57,240
Speaker 2: peace I think will hurt the most. We already mentioned

1802
01:31:57,280 --> 01:32:00,479
Speaker 2: as well. I agree with with Pete and a cancer.

1803
01:32:01,720 --> 01:32:06,760
Speaker 2: Extremely frustrating for me, honestly, if I'm speaking bluntly as

1804
01:32:06,880 --> 01:32:09,599
Speaker 2: to how that happened with him and how we didn't

1805
01:32:09,640 --> 01:32:12,280
Speaker 2: bring him back. It's extremely concerning for me. We laid

1806
01:32:12,280 --> 01:32:15,479
Speaker 2: that out before as well, but yeah, it's gonna be

1807
01:32:15,520 --> 01:32:18,960
Speaker 2: tough seeing Brandon Kincler coming into games, potentially against the

1808
01:32:19,000 --> 01:32:20,519
Speaker 2: Marlins if he makes that team, and I think he

1809
01:32:20,560 --> 01:32:23,800
Speaker 2: will closing out games or or just just striking our

1810
01:32:23,800 --> 01:32:26,479
Speaker 2: guys out, considering that he could have been with us.

1811
01:32:27,120 --> 01:32:31,360
Speaker 2: So that's what I think a right Finally, before we go,

1812
01:32:31,520 --> 01:32:34,280
Speaker 2: it's it's already been a long episode, but it's been

1813
01:32:34,520 --> 01:32:37,680
Speaker 2: a ton of great information, so no time wasted. I mean,

1814
01:32:37,720 --> 01:32:40,360
Speaker 2: this was awesome. I appreciate all of you guys for

1815
01:32:40,400 --> 01:32:42,160
Speaker 2: coming in Eli. You kind of coordinated it, so I

1816
01:32:42,200 --> 01:32:44,920
Speaker 2: want to thank you as well. Sucks that Alex Contreras

1817
01:32:44,960 --> 01:32:47,760
Speaker 2: couldn't be here, but we hope he's doing well with

1818
01:32:47,880 --> 01:32:49,599
Speaker 2: his career as well. We know he does big things

1819
01:32:49,640 --> 01:32:51,680
Speaker 2: in the movie business. So wanted to shout out to him.

1820
01:32:51,880 --> 01:32:55,200
Speaker 2: Love him, Alex Contras, the real Acon on Twitter, follow him,

1821
01:32:55,479 --> 01:32:58,320
Speaker 2: great guy, super good fan. Uh So, yeah, I wanted

1822
01:32:58,320 --> 01:33:00,080
Speaker 2: to wanted to shout him out. He couldn't do this

1823
01:33:00,200 --> 01:33:01,760
Speaker 2: to day, but we'll definitely have him back on in

1824
01:33:01,800 --> 01:33:04,680
Speaker 2: the future. So last thing we'll get to and then

1825
01:33:04,720 --> 01:33:07,040
Speaker 2: we'll go guys. For now is gonna be the quick

1826
01:33:07,080 --> 01:33:09,439
Speaker 2: fire around Pete. You do this on your show. I

1827
01:33:09,600 --> 01:33:11,240
Speaker 2: kind of adopted it. I do it on mine now

1828
01:33:11,280 --> 01:33:13,760
Speaker 2: as well with everybody that I ring on the first

1829
01:33:13,800 --> 01:33:16,040
Speaker 2: one I want to get to, whoever wants to go

1830
01:33:16,120 --> 01:33:19,240
Speaker 2: first take take take the first shot, who hits the

1831
01:33:19,320 --> 01:33:21,760
Speaker 2: Marlins first home run in twenty twenty one.

1832
01:33:28,200 --> 01:33:29,520
Speaker 1: I'll get it to Brian Anderson.

1833
01:33:32,400 --> 01:33:39,200
Speaker 4: I'm taking Alfaro, Okay, Migeo.

1834
01:33:42,000 --> 01:33:44,200
Speaker 2: I'm gonna go off the wall, guys, because whenever I

1835
01:33:44,280 --> 01:33:46,479
Speaker 2: ask this question and I throw out the big names

1836
01:33:46,840 --> 01:33:49,679
Speaker 2: and like Anderson or Duvall, who obviously has a power,

1837
01:33:50,400 --> 01:33:53,240
Speaker 2: I'm gonna go completely off the wall because it's always

1838
01:33:53,280 --> 01:33:56,680
Speaker 2: a guy that you never expect to right. So I'm

1839
01:33:56,680 --> 01:33:58,680
Speaker 2: gonna go completely off the wall, and I'm gonna say

1840
01:33:58,680 --> 01:34:00,880
Speaker 2: it happens a couple of games into this, and I'm

1841
01:34:00,920 --> 01:34:02,920
Speaker 2: just gonna throw out a random name because you know,

1842
01:34:03,680 --> 01:34:05,080
Speaker 2: I think it's going to be a random guy again,

1843
01:34:05,120 --> 01:34:08,200
Speaker 2: because that's the trend. I'll say Chadwallack, because why not

1844
01:34:09,320 --> 01:34:14,120
Speaker 2: Chadwallack for me first? To sure love it all? Right?

1845
01:34:14,320 --> 01:34:18,160
Speaker 2: So next question here is going to be on Lewis

1846
01:34:18,160 --> 01:34:22,560
Speaker 2: Brinson and it's simple is Lewis Brinson on Marlin in

1847
01:34:23,000 --> 01:34:23,840
Speaker 2: twenty twenty two.

1848
01:34:26,800 --> 01:34:29,280
Speaker 4: I'm happy to take this one. I'm happy to go

1849
01:34:29,400 --> 01:34:31,679
Speaker 4: straight off and say absolutely yes.

1850
01:34:32,840 --> 01:34:33,800
Speaker 3: Yes, love to hear it.

1851
01:34:34,320 --> 01:34:36,680
Speaker 2: That's no for me, all right.

1852
01:34:37,800 --> 01:34:40,439
Speaker 3: I'm gonna say no as well because we can't have

1853
01:34:40,560 --> 01:34:44,040
Speaker 3: five outfielders in our roster and what do we do

1854
01:34:44,160 --> 01:34:46,720
Speaker 3: with my my nearest era? So it's rapid virus, so

1855
01:34:46,800 --> 01:34:49,600
Speaker 3: I guess no, but it requires a lot of explanation.

1856
01:34:50,720 --> 01:34:54,240
Speaker 2: So so no, yeah, quick for around. I know we

1857
01:34:54,240 --> 01:34:56,840
Speaker 2: could delve deeper into Daniel for sure. I definitely know

1858
01:34:56,880 --> 01:35:02,320
Speaker 2: what you mean. For me, it hurts me because I'm

1859
01:35:02,360 --> 01:35:04,240
Speaker 2: sitting in the same city that he played high school

1860
01:35:04,240 --> 01:35:07,840
Speaker 2: ball in right now, Carl Springs, it really hurts me.

1861
01:35:08,960 --> 01:35:12,840
Speaker 2: But I will also say no because A depth and

1862
01:35:13,320 --> 01:35:16,360
Speaker 2: B he's just running out of time. That's that's pretty

1863
01:35:16,439 --> 01:35:17,920
Speaker 2: much it. He needs to show it and he needs

1864
01:35:17,960 --> 01:35:18,720
Speaker 2: to show it right now.

1865
01:35:19,120 --> 01:35:19,880
Speaker 3: And that's the option.

1866
01:35:20,240 --> 01:35:24,720
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, option, yeah, so one more option left. So yeah,

1867
01:35:24,760 --> 01:35:26,799
Speaker 2: I mean with all we have right now in the outfield,

1868
01:35:27,320 --> 01:35:29,120
Speaker 2: you know, and what's going to be here. I don't

1869
01:35:29,160 --> 01:35:30,800
Speaker 2: think he starts the season with the Marlins. I think

1870
01:35:30,800 --> 01:35:32,320
Speaker 2: he could come up at some point with the Marlins,

1871
01:35:33,280 --> 01:35:35,519
Speaker 2: but yeah, having that option, Mags doesn't have the option,

1872
01:35:35,640 --> 01:35:37,600
Speaker 2: and then everything else that we have. I think I

1873
01:35:37,680 --> 01:35:39,679
Speaker 2: think he starts in the miners. Could be here maybe,

1874
01:35:40,000 --> 01:35:42,280
Speaker 2: but in terms of twenty twenty two, I don't see

1875
01:35:42,320 --> 01:35:45,000
Speaker 2: it happening. All Right, I'm gonna go to round three.

1876
01:35:45,400 --> 01:35:48,400
Speaker 2: And this has been kind of trying for for Marlins

1877
01:35:48,439 --> 01:35:50,160
Speaker 2: fans for a while. Eli, you can attest to this.

1878
01:35:51,320 --> 01:35:54,439
Speaker 2: It's tough to buy a Marlins jersey with a player

1879
01:35:54,520 --> 01:35:57,040
Speaker 2: name on the back and feel secure about it. So

1880
01:35:57,640 --> 01:36:01,120
Speaker 2: if you're buying a Marlins jersey today with a player

1881
01:36:01,240 --> 01:36:03,320
Speaker 2: name on the back, who are you putting that load

1882
01:36:03,360 --> 01:36:05,000
Speaker 2: of confidence in to be a long term Marlin?

1883
01:36:07,640 --> 01:36:10,320
Speaker 3: I got mine. My wife got it from me, and

1884
01:36:10,479 --> 01:36:12,919
Speaker 3: she did it. She did it correctly. Six those Sanchez

1885
01:36:13,400 --> 01:36:17,280
Speaker 3: She got me the sixs inches forty five before, you know,

1886
01:36:17,439 --> 01:36:20,920
Speaker 3: like six months ago, so she couldn't since say it

1887
01:36:21,040 --> 01:36:22,800
Speaker 3: was customer. She couldn't put the d DE on it,

1888
01:36:23,520 --> 01:36:27,040
Speaker 3: which is not great. But it's him, I mean it's

1889
01:36:27,080 --> 01:36:27,599
Speaker 3: six though.

1890
01:36:29,040 --> 01:36:29,920
Speaker 2: For me it's J. J.

1891
01:36:30,080 --> 01:36:34,920
Speaker 1: Boldey's That's gonna be my guy. That's the only I've

1892
01:36:35,040 --> 01:36:38,559
Speaker 1: talked about this before. Hell, although I agree that our

1893
01:36:38,640 --> 01:36:42,040
Speaker 1: farm systems it's in great shape in terms of all

1894
01:36:42,120 --> 01:36:43,800
Speaker 1: the guys in the farm system who I feel most

1895
01:36:43,800 --> 01:36:47,280
Speaker 1: confident in being successful in the majors and him obviously

1896
01:36:47,720 --> 01:36:50,559
Speaker 1: being a position player, I think adds to my confidence

1897
01:36:50,680 --> 01:36:53,519
Speaker 1: and in once invest in his jersey because I think

1898
01:36:53,560 --> 01:36:56,800
Speaker 1: that makes more indispensable. Bay would be my guy.

1899
01:36:59,080 --> 01:37:03,559
Speaker 4: Oh boys, I have a checkered history with Marlon's jerseys,

1900
01:37:03,960 --> 01:37:06,040
Speaker 4: so I'm just going to call that out now. I

1901
01:37:06,160 --> 01:37:09,200
Speaker 4: have a stand In jersey that I bought in Marlon's

1902
01:37:09,240 --> 01:37:11,960
Speaker 4: Park and I only have a visit there. I also

1903
01:37:12,040 --> 01:37:13,640
Speaker 4: have a Princeton jersey and I have an East San

1904
01:37:13,720 --> 01:37:17,640
Speaker 4: Diaz jersey that I've that I've acquired. I've recently had

1905
01:37:17,680 --> 01:37:21,040
Speaker 4: a MiG al Rojas and a Sandy Alcantra set of

1906
01:37:21,160 --> 01:37:24,439
Speaker 4: jerseys arrive also, and if you recall around Christmas time,

1907
01:37:25,120 --> 01:37:28,200
Speaker 4: I had a Jose Urania jersey bought for me by

1908
01:37:28,280 --> 01:37:30,000
Speaker 4: my wife by accident.

1909
01:37:30,120 --> 01:37:34,040
Speaker 3: Let's say it was hilarious. Man, Yeah, I think your

1910
01:37:34,120 --> 01:37:36,719
Speaker 3: wife was like, hey, I heard you talk talk about

1911
01:37:36,760 --> 01:37:37,360
Speaker 3: him a lot.

1912
01:37:37,360 --> 01:37:41,840
Speaker 4: So exactly exactly, so I have I have a few.

1913
01:37:41,960 --> 01:37:44,479
Speaker 4: I have a checkered history for me though. The next

1914
01:37:44,600 --> 01:37:48,160
Speaker 4: jersey I'm gonna buy is jazz CHISHLM. I absolutely love

1915
01:37:48,240 --> 01:37:53,000
Speaker 4: the dude. He is electric, He's got connections to Great

1916
01:37:53,040 --> 01:37:56,320
Speaker 4: Britain playing for Great Britain as well, so it's a

1917
01:37:56,439 --> 01:37:59,240
Speaker 4: natural fit for me. Straight up stirred jazz chism.

1918
01:38:01,560 --> 01:38:06,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm kind of similar to Pete I have I

1919
01:38:06,240 --> 01:38:08,160
Speaker 2: have if you look at my closet, I have an

1920
01:38:08,400 --> 01:38:12,519
Speaker 2: array of Marlin's jerseys, you know, and a array of

1921
01:38:12,640 --> 01:38:15,000
Speaker 2: colors too. I kind of crossed the whole Marlin's rainbow

1922
01:38:15,000 --> 01:38:17,320
Speaker 2: when it comes to color jerseys. I've got the orange

1923
01:38:17,360 --> 01:38:21,679
Speaker 2: Stanton jersey. I've got the Teal ninety three jersey Jeff Conine.

1924
01:38:22,720 --> 01:38:22,880
Speaker 1: You know.

1925
01:38:23,040 --> 01:38:26,040
Speaker 2: I have a couple of the old whites from last

1926
01:38:26,160 --> 01:38:29,400
Speaker 2: rebrand Jose Fernandez. Of course I have. I also have

1927
01:38:29,439 --> 01:38:33,839
Speaker 2: another white Stanton jersey. I recently actually bought my girlfriend

1928
01:38:33,840 --> 01:38:35,800
Speaker 2: because it's her favorite player on the Marlins. She's a

1929
01:38:35,880 --> 01:38:38,560
Speaker 2: Yankees fan, but she deals with me and everything that

1930
01:38:38,640 --> 01:38:40,479
Speaker 2: I do with with the project of the podcast and

1931
01:38:40,600 --> 01:38:43,599
Speaker 2: listens in on everything. H So she kind of adopted

1932
01:38:43,640 --> 01:38:46,040
Speaker 2: somebody as her favorite player. She she likes Braxton Garrett,

1933
01:38:46,200 --> 01:38:49,760
Speaker 2: so I actually bought her at Braxton Garrett jersey. Is

1934
01:38:49,840 --> 01:38:52,400
Speaker 2: that the best choice in terms of love Braxton, not

1935
01:38:53,000 --> 01:38:55,000
Speaker 2: taking out of the Doway from him, Is that the

1936
01:38:55,040 --> 01:38:57,360
Speaker 2: best choice if we're considering, you know, a jersey that

1937
01:38:57,400 --> 01:38:59,080
Speaker 2: you can wear ten years from now. I don't know.

1938
01:38:59,720 --> 01:39:01,240
Speaker 2: They maybe not, we'll see.

1939
01:39:01,280 --> 01:39:01,800
Speaker 3: With everything that.

1940
01:39:01,800 --> 01:39:05,880
Speaker 2: Marlins have pitching, Lise, I agree though here with Pete,

1941
01:39:06,360 --> 01:39:09,200
Speaker 2: I'm gonna go Jazz Chisholm. And I'm gonna say so

1942
01:39:09,360 --> 01:39:12,639
Speaker 2: because of the fact that in two three years time,

1943
01:39:12,680 --> 01:39:15,639
Speaker 2: maybe not even maybe this year, this guy is gonna

1944
01:39:15,640 --> 01:39:18,160
Speaker 2: be a fan favorite, because of his demeanor, how I've

1945
01:39:18,200 --> 01:39:21,080
Speaker 2: already seen him interact with fans, and of course he's

1946
01:39:21,080 --> 01:39:23,200
Speaker 2: got Jeter's vote of confidence on switch to number to

1947
01:39:23,280 --> 01:39:27,120
Speaker 2: number two. He also has a great relationship with Derek Jeter.

1948
01:39:28,080 --> 01:39:29,960
Speaker 2: I think this guy's gonna be around for a while,

1949
01:39:30,200 --> 01:39:31,960
Speaker 2: whether it be at short stop or second base, which

1950
01:39:31,960 --> 01:39:35,600
Speaker 2: we talked about before, love him, love the tools. I

1951
01:39:35,680 --> 01:39:37,080
Speaker 2: think he's gonna be here for a while. And if

1952
01:39:37,080 --> 01:39:39,800
Speaker 2: I'm getting a jersey today, I'm getting Jash Chisholm. And

1953
01:39:39,800 --> 01:39:41,599
Speaker 2: I'm picking the black one too, by the way. All right,

1954
01:39:42,680 --> 01:39:46,720
Speaker 2: so we go to our next one, and this is

1955
01:39:46,760 --> 01:39:52,600
Speaker 2: a second to last one, which Marlin's prospect, be it

1956
01:39:52,680 --> 01:39:55,720
Speaker 2: top ten, fifteen, twenty, whatever it is, gets called up

1957
01:39:55,760 --> 01:39:58,320
Speaker 2: to make his debut first in twenty twenty one.

1958
01:40:04,840 --> 01:40:08,320
Speaker 4: Oh, that's a tough one. That's tough.

1959
01:40:11,720 --> 01:40:14,080
Speaker 1: Because so many of them debuted lest exactly.

1960
01:40:14,320 --> 01:40:15,519
Speaker 3: I'm checking here the list.

1961
01:40:17,280 --> 01:40:18,439
Speaker 1: Oh boy, who's left?

1962
01:40:19,040 --> 01:40:19,360
Speaker 2: I guess.

1963
01:40:19,560 --> 01:40:22,479
Speaker 4: I guess the news with Eddie is not good news

1964
01:40:23,200 --> 01:40:26,000
Speaker 4: for this one. Perhaps we would have said Eddie.

1965
01:40:25,840 --> 01:40:25,920
Speaker 1: But.

1966
01:40:27,600 --> 01:40:30,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, I actually designed the question this way because, as

1967
01:40:31,000 --> 01:40:32,519
Speaker 2: Eli said, a lot of them were here last year.

1968
01:40:32,560 --> 01:40:35,160
Speaker 2: They're doing you know, you kind of got to check.

1969
01:40:35,439 --> 01:40:37,200
Speaker 2: I mean, there are some in the top ten to fifteen,

1970
01:40:37,240 --> 01:40:39,759
Speaker 2: but you got to kind of check into, uh, the deeper,

1971
01:40:40,280 --> 01:40:41,720
Speaker 2: not not too much deeper, but we kind of got

1972
01:40:41,840 --> 01:40:43,720
Speaker 2: to check into like the twenties and thirties to find

1973
01:40:43,760 --> 01:40:45,960
Speaker 2: the guy I know who mine is. I can go first,

1974
01:40:46,000 --> 01:40:48,920
Speaker 2: if you guys want, yeah, I'll go. I'll go first,

1975
01:40:48,960 --> 01:40:50,920
Speaker 2: as as you guys peruse, because I know I sprung

1976
01:40:51,000 --> 01:40:53,280
Speaker 2: the question on you and I had time to research it.

1977
01:40:53,920 --> 01:40:57,479
Speaker 2: I'll say JJ Bleday. I'll say JJ Bladay because I

1978
01:40:57,560 --> 01:41:01,559
Speaker 2: think he's gonna probably start up in uh, most likely,

1979
01:41:01,640 --> 01:41:03,000
Speaker 2: I want to say in double A, me and me

1980
01:41:03,080 --> 01:41:04,960
Speaker 2: and Daniel we start we're talking about this as well.

1981
01:41:05,920 --> 01:41:07,640
Speaker 2: You know, he had the time in Jupiter last year,

1982
01:41:08,479 --> 01:41:10,479
Speaker 2: made some adjustments there. We saw those come out a

1983
01:41:10,520 --> 01:41:12,320
Speaker 2: little bit in spring training what he was able to

1984
01:41:12,360 --> 01:41:16,679
Speaker 2: accomplish after the initial showing in Jupiter, which for Jupiter

1985
01:41:16,880 --> 01:41:19,320
Speaker 2: wasn't bad. You know, he hit two fifty eight, but

1986
01:41:19,360 --> 01:41:21,400
Speaker 2: you got to take into the fact into account that

1987
01:41:21,520 --> 01:41:23,759
Speaker 2: is a Florida state league. It's extremely hit her friendly.

1988
01:41:24,680 --> 01:41:26,519
Speaker 2: So yeah, I definitely think he starts in double A.

1989
01:41:27,200 --> 01:41:29,680
Speaker 2: I think he could get the push up to Triple A.

1990
01:41:30,680 --> 01:41:32,320
Speaker 2: If he succeeds there and hits the ball, well, I

1991
01:41:32,360 --> 01:41:34,720
Speaker 2: think he should get He could get the push up

1992
01:41:34,800 --> 01:41:39,960
Speaker 2: to Jacksonville maybe by mid season. And then with what

1993
01:41:40,080 --> 01:41:42,800
Speaker 2: we have with these guys with expert contracts uh in

1994
01:41:42,880 --> 01:41:46,280
Speaker 2: the outfield, Starling Marte and then you got Corey Dickerson.

1995
01:41:46,400 --> 01:41:48,760
Speaker 2: I don't think either one of them last the full

1996
01:41:48,760 --> 01:41:51,519
Speaker 2: season in Marlin's uniform personally, So I think once one

1997
01:41:51,560 --> 01:41:53,400
Speaker 2: of those guys has gone, or maybe both, I think

1998
01:41:53,439 --> 01:41:56,040
Speaker 2: he's see JJ Bluedet come up and make his debut

1999
01:41:56,080 --> 01:41:56,599
Speaker 2: in the outfield.

2000
01:41:56,680 --> 01:42:00,280
Speaker 3: So blue day for me, all right, So mine is

2001
01:42:00,400 --> 01:42:05,280
Speaker 3: not is not a you know a high, highly regarded prospect,

2002
01:42:05,360 --> 01:42:08,040
Speaker 3: but looking at right now at Triple A or at

2003
01:42:09,000 --> 01:42:11,880
Speaker 3: our spring training and kind of analyzing of it, I'm

2004
01:42:11,920 --> 01:42:17,400
Speaker 3: gonna say number sixty one on our list, Alex Alexander Gien.

2005
01:42:18,479 --> 01:42:22,519
Speaker 3: He's yeah, we're going. We're going to Dave. This is

2006
01:42:22,640 --> 01:42:25,400
Speaker 3: a guy we just got as a minor league free agent,

2007
01:42:26,960 --> 01:42:29,720
Speaker 3: crazy stuff. As a bullpen guy. I don't think he

2008
01:42:29,800 --> 01:42:31,880
Speaker 3: I don't think he makes the team to start, but

2009
01:42:32,439 --> 01:42:35,519
Speaker 3: any injury, anything happening, he's probably gonna be killing it

2010
01:42:35,600 --> 01:42:38,920
Speaker 3: in Triple A. So I'm gonna go with him because

2011
01:42:38,960 --> 01:42:42,759
Speaker 3: I mean, in the outfield. You know, the day season

2012
01:42:42,840 --> 01:42:45,880
Speaker 3: is starting in May, right, so if we meet somebody

2013
01:42:45,960 --> 01:42:48,040
Speaker 3: in April, it has to be somebody from Triple A.

2014
01:42:48,120 --> 01:42:50,840
Speaker 3: But almost everybody from Triple A already made their debut,

2015
01:42:51,080 --> 01:42:53,479
Speaker 3: unless maybe like a Brian Miller guy, but we have

2016
01:42:53,760 --> 01:42:56,640
Speaker 3: so many outfielders before him, So I had to go

2017
01:42:56,720 --> 01:42:58,519
Speaker 3: to the bullpen if it's not Eddie. So I'm gonna

2018
01:42:58,520 --> 01:43:01,599
Speaker 3: go with with Kien. Remember that name, fans.

2019
01:43:02,680 --> 01:43:04,800
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's a hard question too, Like we said, a

2020
01:43:04,880 --> 01:43:06,560
Speaker 2: lot of these guys have already been here, but I

2021
01:43:06,600 --> 01:43:09,000
Speaker 2: wanted to ask it because you know, obviously we know

2022
01:43:09,120 --> 01:43:10,920
Speaker 2: Daniel was probably gonna go deeper down the list. I

2023
01:43:10,960 --> 01:43:13,200
Speaker 2: wanted to get Pizza viewpoint on it too, and also Eli,

2024
01:43:14,160 --> 01:43:16,320
Speaker 2: you know, we do have depth to pick from if

2025
01:43:16,360 --> 01:43:17,880
Speaker 2: we need a guy, but most of those guys have

2026
01:43:17,880 --> 01:43:19,800
Speaker 2: already been here. So I thought it was an interesting question.

2027
01:43:19,840 --> 01:43:21,040
Speaker 2: But I'll let the rest of you guys go ahead.

2028
01:43:21,200 --> 01:43:22,120
Speaker 1: Yeah, I have a fun one.

2029
01:43:22,200 --> 01:43:22,880
Speaker 2: I'll go with.

2030
01:43:24,560 --> 01:43:27,920
Speaker 1: One of the youngest guys under consideration, Jose Devers. I

2031
01:43:28,200 --> 01:43:31,040
Speaker 1: don't think he's gonna get up and stay up immediately

2032
01:43:31,960 --> 01:43:35,080
Speaker 1: entering this type of weird season, being a guy that's

2033
01:43:35,080 --> 01:43:37,240
Speaker 1: already on the forty man roster. I think if we're

2034
01:43:37,240 --> 01:43:39,720
Speaker 1: talking about who's gonna get called up first, I mean,

2035
01:43:39,760 --> 01:43:42,360
Speaker 1: we remember in past seasons how big it is being

2036
01:43:42,400 --> 01:43:44,400
Speaker 1: on the forty man in terms of when you arrive

2037
01:43:44,479 --> 01:43:46,400
Speaker 1: in the major leagues. So I think he's a guy

2038
01:43:46,400 --> 01:43:48,760
Speaker 1: that could be brought up in an emergency if one

2039
01:43:48,760 --> 01:43:51,560
Speaker 1: of the speedy guys gets injured. Let's say Brentson and

2040
01:43:51,640 --> 01:43:53,640
Speaker 1: Sierra are both on the opening Gary roster and one

2041
01:43:53,640 --> 01:43:55,400
Speaker 1: of them get injured, and the Marlins just one guy

2042
01:43:56,680 --> 01:44:00,560
Speaker 1: who's a pinch runner defensive replacement, and somebody that in

2043
01:44:00,640 --> 01:44:02,559
Speaker 1: case the end goes into extra endings with that funky

2044
01:44:02,600 --> 01:44:05,479
Speaker 1: extra ending rule to have somebody a designated pinch runner

2045
01:44:05,560 --> 01:44:07,720
Speaker 1: for a very short period of time while somebody's hurt.

2046
01:44:08,240 --> 01:44:10,800
Speaker 1: I'll go, I think he's the guy that he gives

2047
01:44:10,800 --> 01:44:13,559
Speaker 1: you up. I have a lot of mixed opinions about

2048
01:44:13,600 --> 01:44:16,360
Speaker 1: what his alternate future potential will be, but I think

2049
01:44:16,400 --> 01:44:19,160
Speaker 1: we're gonna see him this year, even if it's just

2050
01:44:19,200 --> 01:44:20,240
Speaker 1: for a brief period of time.

2051
01:44:23,479 --> 01:44:24,280
Speaker 4: So I round it off.

2052
01:44:25,680 --> 01:44:28,920
Speaker 2: Yep, go ahead, you boys.

2053
01:44:30,040 --> 01:44:34,000
Speaker 4: I like you thinking. I maybe I'm staying at the

2054
01:44:34,040 --> 01:44:35,639
Speaker 4: top of the order, at the top of the list,

2055
01:44:35,720 --> 01:44:38,439
Speaker 4: so to speak. But he was talked about when he

2056
01:44:38,520 --> 01:44:41,680
Speaker 4: was drafted. Could you see him first year straight in

2057
01:44:41,760 --> 01:44:47,920
Speaker 4: the mix Max Meyer? We didn't. We didn't, but I

2058
01:44:48,000 --> 01:44:51,200
Speaker 4: think we could. It's possible. It wouldn't shock me.

2059
01:44:51,400 --> 01:44:52,040
Speaker 2: Put it that way.

2060
01:44:52,080 --> 01:44:53,519
Speaker 4: I think that's the way I'm looking at this is

2061
01:44:53,680 --> 01:44:57,240
Speaker 4: I wouldn't be shocked if Max Meyer is up doing

2062
01:44:57,800 --> 01:45:00,640
Speaker 4: bits back end of twenty twenty one. So I mean,

2063
01:45:00,680 --> 01:45:03,360
Speaker 4: who knows. I mean a COVID outbreak kicks in and

2064
01:45:03,600 --> 01:45:06,000
Speaker 4: we were back to next last year and we're bringing

2065
01:45:06,040 --> 01:45:09,360
Speaker 4: all sorts of players in. Who knows, But Max has

2066
01:45:09,400 --> 01:45:11,240
Speaker 4: got a shot, I think, but I don't know if

2067
01:45:11,320 --> 01:45:14,839
Speaker 4: the Marlins really want to press that kind of development

2068
01:45:14,920 --> 01:45:15,840
Speaker 4: timeline on him.

2069
01:45:15,920 --> 01:45:21,160
Speaker 2: But we'll see. Yeah, I mean there's there's other guys

2070
01:45:21,280 --> 01:45:23,240
Speaker 2: that we could throw in. I think the guys that

2071
01:45:23,280 --> 01:45:25,840
Speaker 2: we mentioned are definitely the main ones. I liked you

2072
01:45:26,000 --> 01:45:28,000
Speaker 2: Ivors by the way he was. He's been in spring

2073
01:45:28,080 --> 01:45:31,000
Speaker 2: training last of a year. So yeah, I mean some

2074
01:45:31,320 --> 01:45:34,800
Speaker 2: some some candidates for sure. Another one that we didn't

2075
01:45:34,800 --> 01:45:37,639
Speaker 2: mention maybe Gerar and Carnacion. Uh, you need that big

2076
01:45:37,680 --> 01:45:40,160
Speaker 2: power bat, you know, maybe Duval goes down, hopefully not,

2077
01:45:40,240 --> 01:45:41,960
Speaker 2: maybe Duva goes down and you need that power bat.

2078
01:45:42,000 --> 01:45:47,040
Speaker 2: Maybe Gerard gets an opportunity, could see it. Yeah, it's

2079
01:45:47,120 --> 01:45:51,680
Speaker 2: it's gonna be fun for sure. But yeah, just so

2080
01:45:51,800 --> 01:45:54,599
Speaker 2: much depth and so much to pick from. So fun question.

2081
01:45:54,640 --> 01:45:57,800
Speaker 4: For god, he didn't play, you know, he was kind

2082
01:45:57,840 --> 01:46:00,640
Speaker 4: of up in spring and was performed in spring and

2083
01:46:00,680 --> 01:46:03,439
Speaker 4: can I see on and then obviously didn't make it

2084
01:46:03,560 --> 01:46:05,559
Speaker 4: up in the end. But that's a great call as well,

2085
01:46:05,680 --> 01:46:08,400
Speaker 4: Like it looked the power look legit. Like you said,

2086
01:46:08,479 --> 01:46:10,680
Speaker 4: if one of the big power guys go down, then

2087
01:46:11,880 --> 01:46:13,200
Speaker 4: it could be a nice fit as well. So I

2088
01:46:13,360 --> 01:46:13,840
Speaker 4: like that call.

2089
01:46:14,560 --> 01:46:16,800
Speaker 2: Yeah, on a team that kind of struggles for power

2090
01:46:16,800 --> 01:46:18,120
Speaker 2: other than one or two guys, I think you would

2091
01:46:18,120 --> 01:46:20,479
Speaker 2: be a good pick to make. So yeah, I mean,

2092
01:46:20,479 --> 01:46:22,680
Speaker 2: hope everybody stays healthy and we don't need to bring

2093
01:46:22,760 --> 01:46:25,439
Speaker 2: them up early too early, But yeah, like like Gerrar

2094
01:46:25,560 --> 01:46:28,040
Speaker 2: Powerbat's huge. All right, we'll get to the last one guy.

2095
01:46:28,080 --> 01:46:30,519
Speaker 2: So this has already gone on a while. But like

2096
01:46:30,600 --> 01:46:33,439
Speaker 2: I said before, no time wasted here, because if you

2097
01:46:33,479 --> 01:46:34,840
Speaker 2: guys are still with us, you know that this has

2098
01:46:34,880 --> 01:46:38,800
Speaker 2: been absolute high quality in terms of previewing this Marlin season.

2099
01:46:39,040 --> 01:46:41,639
Speaker 2: Variety of opinions definitely differ on a lot of things,

2100
01:46:41,680 --> 01:46:43,960
Speaker 2: which I love to see that. I don't like everybody

2101
01:46:44,040 --> 01:46:46,120
Speaker 2: just getting on a podcast and agree with each other.

2102
01:46:46,240 --> 01:46:48,439
Speaker 2: So I like difference of opinions. I like that we

2103
01:46:48,520 --> 01:46:50,400
Speaker 2: all are coming from our own viewpoints and we have

2104
01:46:50,479 --> 01:46:53,639
Speaker 2: our own thoughts on this Marlins team. So I'll give

2105
01:46:54,560 --> 01:46:56,680
Speaker 2: the star on top of the tree if you want

2106
01:46:56,760 --> 01:46:59,360
Speaker 2: to this question, And this is kind of basically going

2107
01:46:59,400 --> 01:47:01,200
Speaker 2: to corroborate what I just said about us all having

2108
01:47:01,240 --> 01:47:05,400
Speaker 2: different viewpoints about the Marlins in twenty twenty one, if

2109
01:47:05,479 --> 01:47:09,320
Speaker 2: you had to predict right now today where the Marlins

2110
01:47:09,360 --> 01:47:12,519
Speaker 2: finish twenty twenty one and do they make the playoffs?

2111
01:47:12,800 --> 01:47:15,760
Speaker 2: Got everybody counting us out again? Guys, everybody's saying every

2112
01:47:15,920 --> 01:47:18,640
Speaker 2: so sourus is saying they're finishing last. We're gonna take

2113
01:47:18,680 --> 01:47:20,599
Speaker 2: that bottom feeder mentality, I think, and I think we're

2114
01:47:20,600 --> 01:47:24,479
Speaker 2: gonna show. We're gonna show some, as as Pete put

2115
01:47:24,520 --> 01:47:27,600
Speaker 2: it before, some huge plumps. So I think that that

2116
01:47:27,720 --> 01:47:28,920
Speaker 2: this is gonna be a fun team to watch. But

2117
01:47:28,960 --> 01:47:31,320
Speaker 2: I want to get your prediction on the on the

2118
01:47:31,680 --> 01:47:33,760
Speaker 2: potential record for the Marlins and do they make the

2119
01:47:33,760 --> 01:47:34,920
Speaker 2: playoffs again this season.

2120
01:47:36,439 --> 01:47:38,799
Speaker 1: I'm a little higher on the Marlins than these projection

2121
01:47:38,920 --> 01:47:42,360
Speaker 1: systems are. I mean, I've seen fangrafts, I've seen baseball perspectives,

2122
01:47:42,760 --> 01:47:46,519
Speaker 1: I've seen other panels of experts way in on this.

2123
01:47:46,800 --> 01:47:49,200
Speaker 1: I'm a little I'm a little higher. I think the

2124
01:47:49,640 --> 01:47:53,160
Speaker 1: difficulty of competition in the NLES is being a bit overrated.

2125
01:47:53,640 --> 01:47:55,840
Speaker 1: That that was an excuse that people had entering last

2126
01:47:55,920 --> 01:47:59,400
Speaker 1: year for why the Marlins would be terrible, and things

2127
01:47:59,640 --> 01:48:03,880
Speaker 1: changed pretty unpredictably. Under when despite what your payroll is

2128
01:48:03,960 --> 01:48:06,719
Speaker 1: and what your talent is, I will go with seventy

2129
01:48:07,640 --> 01:48:10,639
Speaker 1: four and eighty eight record, and that does not get

2130
01:48:10,680 --> 01:48:12,640
Speaker 1: them into the playoffs unless they expand to about a

2131
01:48:12,720 --> 01:48:15,160
Speaker 1: twenty two team playoffs, So they're going to be on

2132
01:48:15,200 --> 01:48:20,120
Speaker 1: the outside looking in. But seventy four wins, which would

2133
01:48:20,120 --> 01:48:23,479
Speaker 1: be I think, all things considered, depending on how they

2134
01:48:23,520 --> 01:48:25,840
Speaker 1: get to that number, I think people could be feeling

2135
01:48:25,840 --> 01:48:27,519
Speaker 1: all right about that when it's all said and done.

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01:48:32,320 --> 01:48:37,040
Speaker 4: Oh this is real toughye because I remember going into

2137
01:48:37,120 --> 01:48:40,000
Speaker 4: last year, me and Eli spoke actually on fish across

2138
01:48:40,040 --> 01:48:42,680
Speaker 4: the pond and we went into this. I was so

2139
01:48:42,960 --> 01:48:45,120
Speaker 4: high on the Marlins going into the sixty. I could

2140
01:48:45,200 --> 01:48:48,280
Speaker 4: just see the path I've mapped out every game. I

2141
01:48:48,360 --> 01:48:51,560
Speaker 4: could see us doing well. It's so hard to do

2142
01:48:51,680 --> 01:48:54,760
Speaker 4: that in one, six two, It really is, because there's

2143
01:48:54,760 --> 01:48:58,160
Speaker 4: so many variables. Listen, the Marlins for me, they're not

2144
01:48:58,240 --> 01:49:00,360
Speaker 4: going to finish last. Let me get that out there.

2145
01:49:00,400 --> 01:49:02,840
Speaker 4: They're not finishing last. The pitching's too good. We're not

2146
01:49:02,880 --> 01:49:05,240
Speaker 4: finishing last. In the analysts, not a chance someone will

2147
01:49:05,280 --> 01:49:10,800
Speaker 4: blow up, multiple teams could blow up. With the point

2148
01:49:10,840 --> 01:49:12,560
Speaker 4: Eve I made there, I think is really intriguing is

2149
01:49:13,080 --> 01:49:16,360
Speaker 4: whatever the number is, how do we get there? Like

2150
01:49:17,360 --> 01:49:20,960
Speaker 4: the number, it may not really matter. It's kind of

2151
01:49:21,000 --> 01:49:22,760
Speaker 4: how we get to that number, if it's a you know,

2152
01:49:22,800 --> 01:49:24,760
Speaker 4: if we completely fall off a cliff, or if we

2153
01:49:25,000 --> 01:49:26,360
Speaker 4: you know, we're out of it and we sell and

2154
01:49:26,439 --> 01:49:29,639
Speaker 4: then you know, we kind of look again to the future.

2155
01:49:29,680 --> 01:49:32,560
Speaker 4: So I think there's a few intriguing points. But for me,

2156
01:49:33,640 --> 01:49:38,240
Speaker 4: I think we're slightly under five hundred at maybe eighty wins,

2157
01:49:38,439 --> 01:49:45,439
Speaker 4: something in that region, above the Phillies and above the

2158
01:49:45,640 --> 01:49:47,960
Speaker 4: Mets because they always blow up there you go.

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01:49:49,240 --> 01:49:53,880
Speaker 3: I love it, man, I'm with you, Pete. This team

2160
01:49:54,040 --> 01:49:57,960
Speaker 3: is way better than everybody thinks. I really do. I

2161
01:49:57,960 --> 01:50:01,680
Speaker 3: don't think we make the playoffs either, but eighty one

2162
01:50:02,080 --> 01:50:03,200
Speaker 3: eighty one is my number.

2163
01:50:03,920 --> 01:50:04,120
Speaker 2: We are.

2164
01:50:04,280 --> 01:50:07,320
Speaker 3: We're going to be at five hundred. I know it's

2165
01:50:07,400 --> 01:50:11,680
Speaker 3: extremely optimistic, but I can feel it.

2166
01:50:11,760 --> 01:50:11,880
Speaker 1: Man.

2167
01:50:11,920 --> 01:50:13,880
Speaker 3: It's it's when you said, it's the pitching. You know,

2168
01:50:14,120 --> 01:50:17,120
Speaker 3: every single day we have a really exciting starting pitcher,

2169
01:50:17,200 --> 01:50:20,000
Speaker 3: and the bullpen just got better. And the line up everybody,

2170
01:50:20,479 --> 01:50:23,120
Speaker 3: you know, everybody pisses on our line up, but look

2171
01:50:23,160 --> 01:50:27,439
Speaker 3: at their stats last year. I mean it's there. You

2172
01:50:27,520 --> 01:50:30,479
Speaker 3: got bran Anderson, you got Marte, you got Aguilar, you

2173
01:50:30,560 --> 01:50:33,639
Speaker 3: got Rojas, you got Cooper. Now you got Duval Dickerson

2174
01:50:33,720 --> 01:50:35,680
Speaker 3: can't be worse than he was last year. I mean,

2175
01:50:36,000 --> 01:50:38,519
Speaker 3: maybe he can't, but I see that he will do better.

2176
01:50:40,960 --> 01:50:42,280
Speaker 3: Eighty one, man, that's my number.

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Speaker 2: I like it. Uh yeah, I mean I'm kind of

2178
01:50:46,840 --> 01:50:50,320
Speaker 2: in the same the same boat, around the same range

2179
01:50:50,360 --> 01:50:52,439
Speaker 2: as most of you guys. I think I'm closest with

2180
01:50:52,560 --> 01:50:54,800
Speaker 2: Eli on this one. My number is going to be

2181
01:50:54,840 --> 01:50:58,800
Speaker 2: seventy seven. I'm gonna say they finished just below five hundred.

2182
01:50:58,880 --> 01:51:01,800
Speaker 2: I also agree with with Pete that we're not finishing last.

2183
01:51:02,000 --> 01:51:04,240
Speaker 2: There's gonna be somebody that just blows it. I mean, yeah,

2184
01:51:04,320 --> 01:51:06,280
Speaker 2: the Mets got all these big names in the off season,

2185
01:51:06,360 --> 01:51:09,560
Speaker 2: but it's still the Mets and then the Nationals. I

2186
01:51:09,640 --> 01:51:13,080
Speaker 2: think they could struggle as well. So yeah, I don't

2187
01:51:13,120 --> 01:51:15,200
Speaker 2: think we finished last. I definitely disagree with all of

2188
01:51:15,240 --> 01:51:18,479
Speaker 2: these outlets like you. I mentioned Fangrafts and Baseball America

2189
01:51:18,479 --> 01:51:20,639
Speaker 2: and everywhere in the USA today. I saw too that's

2190
01:51:20,640 --> 01:51:22,439
Speaker 2: saying that the Marlins are gonna finish last. I don't

2191
01:51:22,439 --> 01:51:25,759
Speaker 2: think that happens. But I don't see them making the playoffs,

2192
01:51:25,840 --> 01:51:28,479
Speaker 2: and I think they finished just under five hundred. Would

2193
01:51:28,479 --> 01:51:30,600
Speaker 2: be awesome to see them get to five hundred. But

2194
01:51:31,040 --> 01:51:34,360
Speaker 2: we'll see. I mean, you know, even though the the

2195
01:51:34,880 --> 01:51:37,519
Speaker 2: moves that we made weren't necessarily loved by the fan base,

2196
01:51:38,080 --> 01:51:40,560
Speaker 2: they wanted to see more. We mentioned that early. You know,

2197
01:51:40,760 --> 01:51:44,600
Speaker 2: they did make improvements. The do Baal power bat, the

2198
01:51:44,760 --> 01:51:49,320
Speaker 2: bullpen is much better, you know. Yeah, and you're you

2199
01:51:49,439 --> 01:51:51,719
Speaker 2: also have, like I mentioned before, you got Marche and Dickerson.

2200
01:51:51,720 --> 01:51:53,519
Speaker 2: They're on X free deals. You know, they're looking for

2201
01:51:53,560 --> 01:51:55,679
Speaker 2: their next deal. So do they come pop and show

2202
01:51:55,760 --> 01:51:58,000
Speaker 2: show some show some muscle here try to get their

2203
01:51:58,000 --> 01:51:58,599
Speaker 2: next contract.

2204
01:51:58,680 --> 01:52:02,720
Speaker 3: So you gotta say to all the fans out there,

2205
01:52:03,439 --> 01:52:08,120
Speaker 3: if anybody sees any platform giving the lower than seventy

2206
01:52:08,920 --> 01:52:13,800
Speaker 3: over under for the Marlins, use your money. That's all

2207
01:52:13,800 --> 01:52:16,240
Speaker 3: I'm gonna say. Man, I mean, we are not losing

2208
01:52:16,320 --> 01:52:20,200
Speaker 3: more than seventy games or winning less than seventy games.

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Speaker 2: Sorry, Yeah, definitely agree. Yeah, seventy seven and eighty five

2210
01:52:26,479 --> 01:52:29,760
Speaker 2: from me. All right, guys, it's been a shell. It's

2211
01:52:29,800 --> 01:52:33,480
Speaker 2: been awesome. Definitely a loaded potato. As a radio personality

2212
01:52:33,520 --> 01:52:35,960
Speaker 2: down here in Miami would say, Mark Hackman, but a

2213
01:52:36,080 --> 01:52:40,120
Speaker 2: great show and some great insight. Again, I love the

2214
01:52:40,200 --> 01:52:42,840
Speaker 2: difference of opinions. I like that we basically span the

2215
01:52:43,000 --> 01:52:45,800
Speaker 2: entire system with these questions, with Daniel going all the

2216
01:52:45,800 --> 01:52:47,880
Speaker 2: way down into the sixties and our prospects to pick

2217
01:52:47,920 --> 01:52:49,599
Speaker 2: out his guy that he's good if he wants to debut,

2218
01:52:49,920 --> 01:52:51,960
Speaker 2: covered the main guys as well, covered all the trades

2219
01:52:52,200 --> 01:52:55,840
Speaker 2: activity by aang. You know, everything that we have, considering

2220
01:52:55,960 --> 01:52:58,679
Speaker 2: that we have going positively and maybe that's of a concern.

2221
01:52:59,000 --> 01:53:01,680
Speaker 2: That was my thought in the show. Eli helped me

2222
01:53:01,720 --> 01:53:03,760
Speaker 2: put it together. I think it was awesome. You guys

2223
01:53:03,760 --> 01:53:06,160
Speaker 2: are all fantastic. I want to give each of these

2224
01:53:06,200 --> 01:53:09,240
Speaker 2: guys outlets some love here before we go. Of course,

2225
01:53:09,320 --> 01:53:11,880
Speaker 2: Eli Sussman, Managing editor for fish Stripes. He could be

2226
01:53:11,960 --> 01:53:14,559
Speaker 2: found at fish Stripes, on Twitter of course, on fish

2227
01:53:14,560 --> 01:53:17,040
Speaker 2: Stripes on esp Nation and his personal Twitter. He's always

2228
01:53:17,080 --> 01:53:19,120
Speaker 2: posting some nice quips on there. I love his personal

2229
01:53:19,200 --> 01:53:21,960
Speaker 2: career account at Real Eli that he had Daniel de

2230
01:53:22,040 --> 01:53:24,040
Speaker 2: Vivo of course at Daniel d Viville, and on our

2231
01:53:24,080 --> 01:53:26,759
Speaker 2: podcast on Swimming Upstream, which we have some awesome stuff

2232
01:53:26,800 --> 01:53:28,400
Speaker 2: in the works for that, so stay teamed there. And

2233
01:53:28,439 --> 01:53:33,559
Speaker 2: then finally our great friend and an awesome, awesome podcaster, fantastic.

2234
01:53:33,640 --> 01:53:35,519
Speaker 2: I hope I lived up to his hosting standard. I

2235
01:53:35,640 --> 01:53:39,519
Speaker 2: doubt I did, but I hope I got close. Eli,

2236
01:53:40,320 --> 01:53:43,519
Speaker 2: you can probably tell me as well that this guy

2237
01:53:44,160 --> 01:53:46,720
Speaker 2: super awesome podcaster. He's so good as a host, and

2238
01:53:47,200 --> 01:53:48,560
Speaker 2: I wanted to bring him on as a guest and

2239
01:53:48,640 --> 01:53:50,120
Speaker 2: kind of get him out of the element a little bit.

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01:53:50,120 --> 01:53:52,800
Speaker 2: But I think he did great, awesome, really love it,

2241
01:53:53,120 --> 01:53:56,000
Speaker 2: great stuff. Guys, really appreciate all the time spent. Eli,

2242
01:53:56,040 --> 01:53:58,479
Speaker 2: thanks for helping me put it together. Daniel, you as well, Pete,

2243
01:53:58,479 --> 01:54:01,040
Speaker 2: thanks for being here again. Give Alex our bescus he

2244
01:54:01,080 --> 01:54:03,479
Speaker 2: was supposed to be on, but that's gonna do it. Guys,

2245
01:54:03,600 --> 01:54:06,160
Speaker 2: for episode twelve of Swimming Upstream, we hope you definitely

2246
01:54:06,280 --> 01:54:09,040
Speaker 2: enjoyed it. We really enjoyed spending the time just chatting

2247
01:54:09,080 --> 01:54:10,680
Speaker 2: about the marlins that can give you our outBut on

2248
01:54:10,840 --> 01:54:14,120
Speaker 2: twenty twenty one season and last and not well, not least,

2249
01:54:14,320 --> 01:54:15,000
Speaker 2: let's go fish